doom-2016

[fiery yoke]

Game mode dependent

[viral ether]

ah ok

fuck
lost 75-70 (other team - my team)

but gg anyways

[chrome basin]

as shown in the video, i think it's one of 2016's many cancel-related techniques. hit glory kill key then immediately after mouse2 and attack, and it'll cancel the cooldown of the explosive shot so that you could immediately fire again. (i assume. i forget if i've tested it in the past, but i don't normally utilize glitches in my playthroughs.)

[dull kite]

I dislike some of the glitches in 2016

Especially how the graphics render into the game.

[halcyon bear]

I have a perfected version of 2016 since I've never had a glitch or issue in my almost 2000 hrs of play

[dull kite]

My Xbox can’t run doom sometimes

[wispy matrix]

oof

@dull kite try deleting some games to free up some space

[rigid bridge]

Yeah like fucking huniepop

Get that shit off your device right now

Oh wait you have an Xbox never mind

[rigid bridge]

A well known hentai game on steam
I even got it advertised to me once

Yeah

[dull kite]

I have like 890 gigabytes

That’s almost one terabyte

[wispy matrix]

oof

thats weird

wifi maybe?

[dull kite]

my brother uses a lot of the games we have downloaded

[dull kite]

No I think it’s the console. If not then it’s our external storage

[wispy matrix]

probs

[dull kite]

I might get a series X. Target is selling one for 500 bucks and me and my brother can afford it.

[wispy matrix]

maybe its your graphics card

[dull kite]

I’m using Xbox

Xbox doesn’t have a graphics card….. I think

[pliant swift]

Hi

[grand beacon]

Anyone else getting waiting for 3 players then searching bug in mp

[elder meadow]

i just got 2016 on steam thinking it would be on GeForce now but it’s not, does anyone know of any cloud gaming services that have 2016?

[halcyon bear]

I still have physical copies of my games like I'm stuck in the early 2000s

[wispy verge]

XCloud, Stadia, probably a lot more

for XCloud you NEED a controller though

[lavish copper]

Hey, I just bought Doom 2016 again to replay for the first time on my PC
Anyone got any advice regarding that annoying save glitch? The one that sends you to a weird void area with the name "MAIN CHAPTER NAME"?

[eternal mauve]

anyone know a fix for the snapmap just showing a blank screen when starting up?

it makes my whole main screen is black but my mouse is there, I can move my mouse on my second monitor but can't do anything

if I hover over the 2016 icon it shows a title screen and the loading thing, it is tiny so I can't really see it but I would guess it is around 30%

the only way to fix it is to restart my pc

[sand tinsel]

Is gauss boosts weaker on console or am i just bad at it

[compact hare]

It is.

[sand tinsel]

Oh

[wispy verge]

huh, never seen that

[wispy verge]

I guess you could always just try steam://validate/379720

Doubt it will help though

[fiery yoke]

They're not weaker. In snapmap and multiplayer the gauss has no additional launching force when firing.

[sand tinsel]

I meant in single player

[fiery yoke]

Same strength but it's very hard to effectively do on console unless you have your sensitivity stupid high

[sand tinsel]

I have my sensitivity at max but camera speed is still feels slow :p

[fiery yoke]

I don't remember the name cuz I woke up but there's a 3rd slider beneath sensitivity that you want low for fast camera speeds

[sand tinsel]

There is?

[fiery yoke]

Yeah, it's in eternal too

[sand tinsel]

Hmm

[fiery yoke]

Don't set that bar to 0 though unless you have ungodly steady hands

[sand tinsel]

Lol

[halcyon bear]

[unreal shuttle]

it’s look smoothing i think

[novel fjord]

rip and tear

gauss cannon

super shotgun

whats the best mod for super shotty

[mortal vine]

Does anyone have the urge to help me get a massacre medal?

[elder meadow]

This game was very good i played it around the time it came out

[wispy verge]

yes

[elder meadow]

Best mod for super shotty is your brain, use it

[snow dawn]

Brain mod is op ngl

I agree with tuxedo grunt

[elder meadow]

Thank you Cyber Demon

[elder meadow]

anyone want to play deathmatch on 2016 pc

me and a few guys running a lobby

[fallow swift]

Gonna 3d print my own praetor suit

[rigid bridge]

Do it
And share the file please that would be awesome thank you

[jolly geyser]

There are no mods for the Super Shotgun, bruh

[wispy verge]

Id love to have more mods for the SSG in da next doom game

[sour owl]

the trigger

[frail portal]

the barrel

[fiery yoke]

The shells

[frail portal]

the pellets

[fallow swift]

Alright

Rn im printing a praetor helmet keychain

[fiery yoke]

Damn that sounds cool

[halcyon bear]

Id buy that

[fossil island]

You buy anything doom related dont ya?

[halcyon bear]

This is true ..... but I can't bring myself to buy the novels ...

[fiery yoke]

Wdym you don't want "RIP AND TEAR" proudly showing

[fallow swift]

Hell Ill sell a copy to you for 5$, of course its unpainted but its white pla that im printing in, ill show the finished product later when its done

I can do the 2016 praetor suit or if I can find a file the og doom 1993 helmet keychain

We probably shouldn’t do business here if you actually intend to buy one, makes it easier on the mods

[jolly geyser]

#business chat when

(kidding)

[fringe hill]

I really want to buy doom merch

[fallow swift]

It finished and its beautiful

Ofc I cant post it here its in #artwork

[halcyon bear]

Id love to pick it up. Give me a dm when it's done

[sand tinsel]

[novel fjord]

i just got it so i wanted to know if there were any mods. also im new to doom so how am i supposed to know? i wanted to know if i found one of the things to mod weapons.

[fiery yoke]

Mod bots drop like flies so if you wanna check some mods out just turn a corner

I always have everything I need by the time I get the SSG so I have a free mod spot that I don't need for anything other than 100% secrets

[last ridge]

Is Olivia Pierce the final boss monster?

yea

Doom wikipedia says it's her

By the time the Doom Slayer caught up with her at The Well, she is shown bloody and severely weakened. Pierce realized too late that Hell has deceived her and mutters her last words to the Slayer, "They promised me so much." The demonic forces of Hell then strike her with a crimson lightning bolt, keeping their promise of godhood - in their opinion - by merging her soul with that of an ancient, powerful demon, and transforming Dr. Olivia Pierce into the Spider Mastermind.

Oh, I never knew that, I always thought she was killed by it, not being it

[rigid bridge]

of course it would

[last ridge]

I went to doom wiki not wikipedia itself

[rigid bridge]

look up a movie and it gives you a summary of everything that happens in the movie

and the game has been out 4 years anyway

5

[halcyon bear]

Having a usless spine and not being able to walk without a suit...to becoming a hell spider. Now that's an upgrade

[rigid bridge]

yeah but only for like five minutes

[halcyon bear]

All she had was her brain and even that she lost in the end

[fallow swift]

I agree

[wind owl]

Time to wait 5 minutes for snapmap to load

[compact hare]

hdd speeds

[jolly geyser]

that's ok. every weapon is moddable aside from the BFG 9000, Super Shotgun, and the Pistol.

[novel fjord]

ty

i havent found the bfg yet

[rigid bridge]

imagine a moddable bfg

there was one originally for 2016 but they decided "no this is the bfg none of that"

[jolly geyser]

Interesting. Didn't know that there was supposedly a mod for the BFG

[sour owl]

Do we know what it would do?

[wispy verge]

cant imagine what it would do

[jolly geyser]

maybe it's something like remote detonation where it causes a way bigger boom in mid air

[wispy verge]

Most likely

[wind owl]

Or the classic BFG

Or the beta classic BFG

[tawdry ember]

finally got doom 2016 baby myfirst doom

any tips for me?

what difficulty to select

[halcyon bear]

Start with Uv.

[fiery yoke]

I would recommend hurt me plenty, the game tells you everything you need to know when you need it.
But for the love of god stay observant when wandering the environment

[halcyon bear]

Hurt me plenty is piss easy

Even for new players

Id avoid that

Had my brother who hasn't touched a video game in 10 years play on UV and he did just fine and loved it.

[prisma forge]

definitely seelct ultraviolence not 'hurt me plenty' because the latter removes a lot of adrenaline, which is essential to the experience.

[proper quarry]

I didn't know that, I've only played ultraviolence like 2 or 3 times but most times I play hurt me plenty

[prisma forge]

ya always play ultra violence, doom is enjoyed best when you're constantly in danger of death

[rigid bridge]

There were several
There’s a video I’ll see if I can find it later

[wispy verge]

nightmare gang

[halcyon bear]

Yeah nightmare is the best difficulty for me now

But for new players or casuals uv is good

[jolly geyser]

same

[echo apex]

iit do be sad that the doom 2016 multiplayer is dead on switch i had a blast playing it

[novel fjord]

what do i do at the yellow door thing in argent energy tower

for the portal for the uac

[echo apex]

Look it up on google

It’s been a long time since I played that campaign

[novel fjord]

whats better on the gauss cannon, seige mode or precision bolt

[halcyon bear]

Seige

[vapid hedge]

personally i like precision bolt but its down to how you play, seige puts you more at risk of getting hit since it locks you in place but undoubtedly gets you more damage per shot, though landing a headshot with precision is also satisfying

[halcyon bear]

Seige is op fully upgraded and basically another bfg. If you want to just pure shit on the game upgrade seige mode

But whatever is most fun

In the end for you

I like using dev rounds with the HAR

Because it's a blast

[mint monolith]

They sound so good

[halcyon bear]

1000 percent. So satisfying

[bronze crane]

Is doom 2016 on gamepass for PC?

I can't find it for PC

[wispy verge]

Ive seen it there

only on Xcloud though for some reason

[elder meadow]

what tf is xcloud

[wispy verge]

xbox's cloud gaming service

[chrome basin]

everyone keeps complaining about getting lost in 2016. am i the only one who had no problem whatsoever...? =/

[vapid hedge]

i had some issues im my run

[halcyon bear]

Nope

[chrome basin]

i doubt i even needed the map for any but the two non-linear levels, and even then the architecture and notable landmarks were sufficiently well-designed to always keep me aware of where i was in relation to where i'd been

for OG doom, you'd definitely need to make use of the maps to find every nook and cranny

[vague escarp]

how do i get all the secrets/collectibles in the argent energy tower? i’ve gone through it twice and haven’t found all of them yet

[lapis creek]

i beat the game! whoop whoop!

#livestreams

[desert coyote]

Doom 2016 is better than eternal

[lapis creek]

@desert coyote you're not the first person who has said that

I played a couple minutes of Eternal earlier I like how you can just hit the chainsaw button

@vague escarp YouTube tutorials my ninja!

[halcyon bear]

They're different games completely. Just need to unplug and enjoy them both for what they bring to the table individually

[vague escarp]

i tried and got confused, but i’ll give it another shot

[steel moon]

I feel like eternal leans too hard on the combat to the detriment of just about everything else

Doom needs that balance of combat and exploration
Eternal doesn't have much real exploration

[halcyon bear]

I play doom to kill things. If the demon murder has good aesthetic backdrop I'm happy

[steel moon]

I play for killing demons too but if the levels aren't interesting too i kinda get bored once I've killed everything

Without interesting levels it becomes nothing more than a shooting gallery

[desert coyote]

It was a joke lol, i love all doom games

[halcyon bear]

Well play eternal for the none stop kills and play 2016 for that amazing UAC Mars base backdrop

[desert coyote]

I prefer combat than exploration

[halcyon bear]

Most doom players do

A map that functions well for combat is the core of doom

[desert coyote]

I felt the small battles in doom 2016

[halcyon bear]

Not how pretty it is

[desert coyote]

Its very short

[halcyon bear]

Pretty is a nice bonus though

[desert coyote]

Yes!

[steel moon]

Eternal for me would be great in short bursts

It's combat gets so intense that it could make me get tired after maybe 30 minutes to an hour

Where as i could probably play 2016 for alot longer since there's not nearly as much to juggle.

Although what probably would happen is.... I'd be having so much fun with both I'd be playing long after the tired feeling hit me until i was starting to get to slow to react 😆

[halcyon bear]

Thats how it should be

[lapis creek]

I can't play a video game for more than a half an hour to 45 minutes anymore my attention span is very limited

I'm such a burnout

Don't do drugs kids

[sullen wagon]

I am

Titans realm is a good level

[icy charm]

I like 'em both. I'm fairly new to Eternal, but I'm having a fucking blast with the Switch version.

Motion Controls and a Controller with the extra 'paddle' buttons really make this game pop.

But anyway, even with Eternal adding a bunch of different mechanics, I still think 2016 is a very tight game.

In one hand, its generally not throwing quite as many decisions at you as Eternal, but on the other, its harder to escape and evade and Demons can't be nerfed by shooting bits off so they're always a threat until they die.

[novel estuary]

Finally beat the game after wanting to play it for so long.

I really enjoyed the game up until getting the BFG. After that I felt the gameplay was getting too repetitive.

[halcyon bear]

Cheers to my 2000 hours and never once getting bored

[icy charm]

2016 mutliplayer was a very under rated experience

[fiery yoke]

^

[icy charm]

I had a fuck ton of fun

[novel estuary]

I can't find out how much time I spent on it. My Series S just says "0d 0h 0s"

[icy charm]

Online

[halcyon bear]

100 percent

[novel estuary]

I like keeping track of the time and putting it on HowLongToBeat

[icy charm]

Wrecking shit as a Revenant is just amazing.

[fiery yoke]

Fuck revenant, we Stan spectre here

[icy charm]

Heh, i just love the total nutbar energy the revenant gives off.

[near tapir]

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[rigid bridge]

What

[near tapir]

idk

russian bear with vodka vs german

[delicate raven]

This sounds like the best game u can play

[wispy verge]

why in this chat doe

[jolly geyser]

Bruh

[novel fjord]

agreed but getting the crucible then getting it taken away is the worst part

[halcyon bear]

The song when you first get there

[past shoal]

Hello, I have a question about vega.
How is the vega complex justified if we can simply transfer vega to a simple "usb key"? I mean, what's the point of machines and millions of miles of wire, if we can just transfer vega to some kind of usb stick?
Or maybe I ask myself too many questions ^^

[wispy verge]

it cant run off the usb

youre just backing up its files

[past shoal]

Okey 👍 tx

[chrome basin]

this is not at all true

just replying in general to the fact that doom has always historically been a perfect mix of combat action and level design

there's a reason why the original games, basically FPS dungeon crawlers, were so immensely popular

[halcyon bear]

And level design is what I mean by map

[chrome basin]

and why thousands upon thousands of complex og maps exist and continue to be made

well, i'm saying i think good level design is, absolutely bare minimum, NOT having maps as depressingly linear and featuring such little exploration as the levels in Eternal

[halcyon bear]

Well I've said this before I prefer maps focus on tight combat not exploration. If I want to be Indiana Jones I'll play the witcher 3

[chrome basin]

i mean that's cool, but then you're not exactly the type of fan that grew up loving everything about the original games

so, to MANY, Doom is absolutely all about that balance

[halcyon bear]

Thats a pretty stupid statement. I probably was playing doom while you were in diapers

[chrome basin]

that would be incorrect

i was there from the start just like many other doom fans

[fiery yoke]

I love those secrets that take you around the map

[chrome basin]

and have played, again literally hundreds of custom pwads

[halcyon bear]

And so was I. Ask next time don't assume just because I enjoy combat focused maps. It's a preference

[jolly geyser]

is this seriously an argument on who played Doom first

what's wrong with 2016's map design?

[chrome basin]

i didn't mean to sound aggressive with my statement. i guess i struggle to understand how you managed to fully appreciate those original games, when so much of their level design was extremely complex and labyrinthian, requiring lots of key hunting and backtracking, if now you claim that "if you want exploration/Indiana Jones you'd play witcher"

doom originated hand in hand with that sort of exploration

[halcyon bear]

No idea. I just don't like back tracking especially for my doom videos so I like combat focused maps to shave off time. It's just my preference

[jolly geyser]

I mean they weren't that complex unless you're intentionally looking for secrets

but your main objective is obvious

[chrome basin]

yes, they were

[halcyon bear]

A pretty back drop is nice though

[chrome basin]

whoops

didn't mean to quote that. og doom map design was absolutely complex, especially by today's standards

[jolly geyser]

I don't think so although I'm new to the franchise, started with Doom 3 tbh around 8 years ago?

they're pretty easy to beat

[chrome basin]

2016 i was fine with its design, especially because they threw us the bone of 2-3 non-linear levels

[halcyon bear]

Well you started eviternity right? Those are some really pretty maps and complex

[jolly geyser]

On UV exploration is more difficult because some enemies entities exist in secrets

[halcyon bear]

Heartland is another one

[jolly geyser]

Yeah, they're pretty cool. I thought he was talking about the wads created by id Software itself though

[halcyon bear]

Heartland has some really good map design

[chrome basin]

but even discounting those levels, the design flow of 2016 was much more sophisticated than what's seen in eternal. and obviously we can all agree that the secrets were better hidden, whereas almost everything in eternal is behind an obviously telegraphed breakable wall

[jolly geyser]

Sunlust is difficult but not complex

[halcyon bear]

Thats true

[jolly geyser]

never played Eternal so can't really judge lol

[halcyon bear]

I don't mind finding secrets but I dont enjoy dwelling in a area to long

[chrome basin]

watch some of the dev podcasts where romero plays through episode 1 and explains his decisions behind the design

[jolly geyser]

secrets are just optional missions, they should be taken as that.

[chrome basin]

e1m7 (edit: originally accidentally said e1m1) is basically worshipped by og fans for how great its design and flow is

er

[halcyon bear]

They can really throw the odds of success in your favor though

[chrome basin]

e1m7

[jolly geyser]

can't really judge complexity when it comes to secrets, although I'd judge complexity of map design if it's making my search for the main objective sluggish

[chrome basin]

not e1m1, lol

[jolly geyser]

Yea, especially empty areas

[chrome basin]

well take for example e1m2. basically going for the main objective in that map requires navigating a very simple course with very little resistance

[halcyon bear]

But anyways. Exploring is fine when finding secrets.

[jolly geyser]

e1m1 is just a good opening but it isn't that phenomenal

[chrome basin]

the bulk of that map is found in its secrets, including a ginormous maze section that doesn't even really offer significant incentive to reward you with (other than the additional secret leading to the chainsaw). but it's still cool as hell to explore, especially with its dark and more claustrophobic feel. or the secret that leads outside to the chaingun, and how rewarding it is being able to find a way to unlock a door to venture outside to engage with all the zombiemen you hear

[chrome basin]

yeah i mistyped as i said above, i meant e1m7

[jolly geyser]

my internet sucked so hard so I only saw your messages recently

[halcyon bear]

First time I found the chaingun secret I was hyped. This was way back in the day before I pistol started

[jolly geyser]

I think DOOM 2 is less complex

some people prefer DOOM 1's map design over DOOM 2 but I personally like D2 more

[chrome basin]

doom 2 level design was definitely less complex, especially early on. they seemed to be focusing on smaller, less complex maps to really cater to deathmatch

[jolly geyser]

not sure about the smaller, I found them to be bigger

[chrome basin]

i always say, i love the doom 2 upgrades, but felt that it was only fully taken advantage of when custom mappers came along to make Final Doom and all the other custom pwads

[chrome basin]

yeah that's fair. i find them both smaller AND bigger. but mostly, it's that i find them less complex

[jolly geyser]

Watched a video that complains about Doom 2016's complexity

And I 100% disagree

It's from a Doomtuber that is in here so it wouldn't be very nice to post the video here

but personally I found Doom 2016 to be simple and easy, aside from the platforming fails of course. Maybe it's because I started with Doom since young age? Don't know

[flint dune]

Gotta be honest. Doom 2016’s an easy game until you play on Nightmare.

[chrome basin]

yeah, i found 2016 to be a really admirable compromise in terms of old meets new. as with others above, i agree that eternal focused too much on the combat to the detriment of the level design and exploration

here's one of romero's walkthroughs of his design philosophy of e1m7

https://youtu.be/Gt4NK3Ke-20

[jolly geyser]

I straight went to NM on my second run, never regretted it. I can't lower the difficulty anymore now

My first run was on ITYTD

[chrome basin]

it's just a lot more creative and complex than what is really found in eternal, which is typically mostly just disguised linear corridors leading from one similarly-designed combat arena to the next

but anyway, gotta run out for lunch date. =x lol, already made myself late gushing about OG doom design. OH, ME.

[flint dune]

Same here. Doom’s at its best when it challenges you.

[halcyon bear]

Yeah nightmare is just the best way to play honestly. Uv just doesn't do it for me

If you're not getting sweaty while playing doom then somethings wrong.

[jolly geyser]

I never tried UV

Honestly the worst time to play DOOM 2016 on NM is when you got a flu and has too little focus. I tried playing it yesterday and legit played worse than the worst game journalist in history. Maximum disappointment

[halcyon bear]

Doom has always been aesthetically pleasing... but I don't play it for its exploration and level design. I play it for the combat and action. A map designed for this in mind is superior for me. But I guess everyone has their tastes. I have mine some have others. I just feel if you're playing doom for anything other than demon killing you're in the wrong franchise

[jolly geyser]

zombies fucking killed me

demon killing is the spine of this franchise

without it, there's no doom

[halcyon bear]

Yeah that's why I didn't understand the I'm not a true doom fan because I don't like complex designs and exploration thing. Never a good sign of a argument when you have to insult someone

If you're exploring the map for fun and not secrets that's just super strange to me

[jolly geyser]

nobody can call a person a non-fan of a franchise, it's all up to your heart

[halcyon bear]

I have a basement that is doom and I'm 30 and have been playing since I was 10 or 9... Think Its safe to say you should ask about me before just assuming things

[jolly geyser]

"I have a basement that is doom" - Gougaru, 2021

It's actually impressive

I started playing DOOM 3 when I was 7 years old but strayed further until I forgot about the franchise and just remembered it again in 2020 when Doom Eternal was released

[halcyon bear]

It sparked alot of interest for sure. I always loved doom. It's just feels right. Like I'm home every time I start it up. I never rage when I play I can repeat a map 100 times to beat it or get it right. Chase a goal or hard mode and it doesn't bother me even a tiny bit. Feel fresh every time. It's rare for someone to find that franchise for them

[jolly geyser]

true doom fan. unlike me who forgotten it for years

also @compact hare found a little nice detail about the Heavy Assault Rifle, where if your ammo is less than 5 bullets, you'll see the ammo belt inside the magazine being depleted.

I fucking appreciate that detail from id Software

it's something that isn't even in CoD

ammo belts never depletes in Call of Duty regardless of how many bullets you have

and almost every other FPS I believe

[halcyon bear]

Imagine that gun... actually futuristic. Heavy rounds.. cut threw things like butter... has a scope.. is light weight high ammo capacity and zero recoil... well probably recoil for the average person

[jolly geyser]

low recoil makes sense since you're in space

on Mars I mean

no idea about hell physics tho

[prisma forge]

one thing that bugs me about it is that its crosshair is barely visible, i have to aim using the projectile particles.

i looked it up online, and apparently it happens only at certain FOV's and resolutions

[halcyon bear]

The force from recoil wouldn't really be affected when you're in the base though

[jolly geyser]

interesting

[chrome basin]

I didn't mean for it to come across that way

but insisting that Doom is exclusively about demon slaying, and ignoring how great its exploration-based level design had always been, and how it's a large part of what attracted people to and kept the mapping community alive for almost 3 decades, is dismissing what Doom historically has been

so no, expecting good exploration-based level design would not at all be unusual to fans who grew up with Doom

while a lot of OG fans are critical of the level design in the new games (and some aren't), like I've said numerous times, I can respect the middleground and balance that was found in 2016, as at least it offered a number of non-linear levels and had intelligent flow of design otherwise. much moreso than in something like Eternal, IMO, where the pendulum swung too far in the direction of combat being the all-encompassing focus, at the sacrifice of the other pillar of the franchise which is intelligent level design

[prisma forge]

level with backtracking and collecting colored keys are enjoyable indeed. foundry and titan's realm comes to mind

[halcyon bear]

Its all good brotha

[prisma forge]

if the game makes me open a map and wonder how to access certain areas and find a solution, it gives a good dopamine hit

[flint dune]

I’m going to avoid comparing the games here, but I do agree that Doom’s level design shouldn’t be strictly linear. Exploration was a big part of the classics, and I appreciate that Doom 2016 recognized that.

[halcyon bear]

Doom 2016s map is really well done. I always wonder how people get lost

[flint dune]

Somehow people still get lost in Eternal’s maps

[prisma forge]

i did get lost in foundry due to so many levels of the map are on top of each other, but getting lost was what made it even more immersive

[chrome basin]

speaking personally, what attracts me to games is indeed the free agency allowing a player to fully explore (and not simply be funneled through) complex and interesting areas that it's up to me to figure out how to navigate. so i'm otherwise into OG games like Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, and Tomb Raider, before those series too ended up becoming far too guided and linear. i'm mostly a retro gamer, but most of those series received a ton of pushback for becoming too linear, so now the latest games in many of those are striving for better compromise like 2016 succeeded at

(plus i also love the great gameplay typically found in these games, especially doom. i love killing me some demons as well, no doubt)

but i REALLY loved how complex both the official and especially fan-made maps were in OG doom

[halcyon bear]

I feel bad for people who play eternal and then can't go back and play classic or 2016. All of them scratch a different itch. I transition well between them easily with no issue

[flint dune]

Same here.

[prisma forge]

i love level design in doom 1 and in doom 2 upto level 6, but after level 6 doom2 just pisses me off with how steeply difficult it becomes.

[chrome basin]

how many shots are we supposed to take when we not only compare 2016 and eternal, but also throw the OG games into the mix as well ^_^;;

[halcyon bear]

All the shots ...

[prisma forge]

my fav passtimes on youtube is to watch the walkthroughs of doom2 of those levels which i know ill never best on my own

[chrome basin]

this is the only og doom footage i've ever recorded, but this map always stuck out to me as one of the first custom pwads i played that really challenged the player, coupled with intelligent level design. i play the level really slow and the video didn't pick up all the times i opened the map, plus i hadn't played in a long time before recording so i was super rusty against properly handling the arch-viles and cyberdemon, but idk, i'll post it anyway

https://youtu.be/_OVbjfSHM3M

[prisma forge]

holy fuck that first pinky startled me

[chrome basin]

yeah, the reason why i play super conservatively is this map is freaking DEADLY. monster closet traps everywhere, and very limited health/ammo

i even have to avoid killing a lot of stuff under doorways, because archviles spawn and warp to those areas, and they could resurrect their squished remains which causes the invincible resurrected enemy bug

[prisma forge]

ngl i dont like custom content or mods much but this is impressive

[chrome basin]

the map just gets more and more insane the deeper in you get

in terms of challenge it's far been outclassed in the decades since, but like i said, this was one of the earliest mappers putting out quality challenging stuff

[halcyon bear]

Not bad for a comeback. Right on

Should post the video in classic doom though

[chrome basin]

well, i only posted it since we were on the topic and silver mentioned enjoying watching tough doom 2 levels, heh

[halcyon bear]

Yeah its not to bad of a map. Doesn't look to hard

[chrome basin]

it's because i already know where all the traps are and how to cheese them

[halcyon bear]

Good old cheese

[chrome basin]

if you drop down into the section at 13m and kill all the shotgun guys where they spawn, then when you advance you're ambushed by 2 archviles in front, 2 revenants in back, and since you killed all the hitscanners right where the archviles spawn, it's very easy for them to endlessly keep resurrecting them as a shield, and the player has very little ammo at that point to simply power through it (you see that i pick up practically every resource on the map and, while killing everything, only end with 20 extra shells to spare.) that's why i made sure to position their corpses further away from their spawn point, and triggered their ambushes one by one. i was a little sloppy in parts, but the map is definitely an exercise in caution and perseverance. a lot of the really tough campaigns in the years since do a different brand of tough, where they throw craptons of big bads at you in open spaces, but always give you enough bfg ammo and other resources to make do

and there are tons of tricky situations like that in his maps, where if you walk in carelessly, you're gonna have a bad time

[novel fjord]

I love on berserk when you rip the imp's head clean in half

[prisma forge]

tbh i dont think maps have to be too challenging or throw extremely difficult enemies at you to be fun

lvl4 - The Focus is my all time fav map

[elder meadow]

Does the 2016 cyberdemon have blast damage immunity as well as classic cyberdemon?

[fiery yoke]

Dont think so

[jolly geyser]

Cant pick one personally. VEGA Core has the best environment. Titan's Realm has my favorite map design and combat, and Argent Facility has the best soundtrack. Imo

[prisma forge]

vega core soundtrack is so good too

[jolly geyser]

Argent Facility has Harbinger

https://tenor.com/view/cat-head-bang-nodding-gif-19211987

[sour owl]

no

[elder meadow]

Oh

I had the feeling I was wasting my rockets on him

[mint monolith]

If you're not using mastered remote detonation you would be

[elder meadow]

Hello

I wanted to play multiplayer but I can't find anyone playing

[nocturne escarp]

Hi guys

Today I installed doom and decided to check out the discoed

[flint dune]

Sup, and welcome to the server.

[halcyon bear]

[old oasis]

same

[jolly geyser]

welcome home, great slayer

[elder meadow]

So beautiful

[elder meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-laughter-doom-laugh-zoom-gif-17636231

[rigid bridge]

These are two different games you are talking about
He is talking about doom 2

[jolly geyser]

oof

[hasty trail]

So, I got to finally played Doom 2016's multiplayer and I had a blast

[indigo jackal]

honestly is a good bit of fun. I played a little bit of it back on my ps4 and had a good time. wish i played the pc version but i thought i heard it's hacker invested

[azure pawn]

What’s the most underrated track in doom 2016?

[jolly geyser]

Don't know. But Harbinger is my personal favorite

[halcyon bear]

Titans realm ost

Wait I think it's just titans realm

[wispy verge]

every track except Rip & Tear and BFG Division

[limber stone]

just how dead is the mp

[wispy verge]

more dead than me inside

[elfin wave]

on pc its pretty dead from my experience

there may be peak times when there's more people playing but i havent tried yet

[wispy verge]

would be useful to have a bot monitoring MP activity

and it could report that activity in a discord channel here, divided into regions

probably not possible tbh, a boy can only dream

[elfin wave]

I mean, its possible there's a server dedicated to Doom 2016 multiplayer

Kinda like how Spicy Demons is a popular spot for Battlemode

[wispy verge]

Would probably be promoted here

Which it isnt

[elfin wave]

not necessarily

most of this server's focus is on eternal

and besides Spicy Demons has a lot more recognition, a deathmatch server might be more obscure in the first place

[wispy verge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[elder meadow]

ps4

?

if yes then add me, i want to get the multiplayer trophies

[nocturne escarp]

Nah bruh on pc

I will first finish campaign

Then play multi

[limber stone]

if you get every single collectible in the campaign will u have enough to get every upgrade

[flint dune]

You’ll need to 100% every missions to have enough weapon points for everything.

Collectibles alone aren’t enough.

[nocturne escarp]

ok

[chrome basin]

iirc you end the game with 11 (or 12?) extra weapon points, then defeating the final boss brings you up to 17 (not that you can spend them at that point)

the problem isn't getting the weapon points, the problem is planning out the order in which to unlock the weapon mods and upgrades so that you can complete all the mastery challenges before the end of the game (assuming you don't replay levels to farm their requirements)

[novel fjord]

Make sure to find the super shotgun and send a screenshot when you get it

Its hidden later in the campaign so good luck finding it

Remember to rip

And tear

Till its finished

[nocturne escarp]

ok

[novel fjord]

Ok ok

Bfg or super shotgun

Just a quick poll for everybody

VS goin strong

No one going for the bfg or ss

[jolly geyser]

Combat Shotgun

[wispy verge]

Based

[jolly geyser]

Unpopular opinion: Combat Shotgun is more fun to use than the Super Shotgun

[limber stone]

I just wanted to try and max out weapons for shids and giggles

Might content myself with just clearing the levels 100% though

[wispy verge]

that sure is an unpopular opinion

Do you count mods with that or no?

[jolly geyser]

Yes

[wispy verge]

Okay then

You may be right

Yeah I see how that would be more fun

[wispy verge]

Like how no one voted BFG

[halcyon bear]

Sin. Ssg melts

And man the first time you use that bfg in the zombie room

[wispy verge]

me who doesnt use the BFG to kill the fodder, but instead kills them for level challenges with another weapon

[jolly geyser]

same

[halcyon bear]

Well that section they literally want you to use the bfg there. Its like begging you to test it out...

[jolly geyser]

I really never used it in that area

I always just took the opportunity of having many enemies to master some of my guns lmfao

[wispy verge]

didnt even think of that 😔

[halcyon bear]

Dude... its actually glorious. Well it was my first playthrough ever. You get this thing and you're like... is it powerful how's it work ? And you use it .... woah

[halcyon bear]

This makes sense

I was like they did the classic bfg justice this time

I love doom 3 but the bfg just didn't do it for me

[jolly geyser]

me too. BFG is so op in DOOM 2016 but I only use it when necessary or I'm about to get fucked up

also for certain challenges

[chrome basin]

i always BFG in that first room with all the barrels/possessed, but i glory kill one of them first to get the speed boost to start easily maxing out the Blood Fueled rune

[halcyon bear]

One of us

[oblique rampart]

I swear i need to play 2016 some day

[jolly geyser]

Definitely

[elfin wave]

I really like it so far

[elder meadow]

motion aiming

[royal chasm]

2016 felt like the most over the top ridiculous bullshit at the time, but since eternal came out it's the gritty, grounded Doom

[elder meadow]

that's how i felt about Quake after playing QuakeII

then Q3A hit and I was like

[muted thicket]

samuel hayden is so fucking hot

amen

[broken cypress]

is there a way i can get doom 2016 for free

bc i have been wanting the game for about a year

[rigid bridge]

no

you could pirate it
but that would mean youre a freeloading scumbag

[last rapids]

Oh wow the doomslayer wanting to get a DOOM game for free , how ironic

[rigid bridge]

in fact follow this tip from john romero: https://i.imgur.com/CxKW8iK.jpg

[last rapids]

hahahah

[rigid bridge]

thats why i like to call pirates freeloaders now

[last rapids]

Doesn't really matter how long you've been wanting it though :/

If you want it then pay for it

[broken cypress]

im broke

[rigid bridge]

be patient and get your money back
and wait for a sale

[broken cypress]

get my money back? how?

[rigid bridge]

well
youre going to have money at some point right

[last rapids]

earn it..?

[broken cypress]

ok

[rigid bridge]

yeah
a job
if you cant find one now youll find one later

[rigid bridge]

they arent a freeloader

not until they pirate the game, which they havent

so they arent a freeloader

[last rapids]

Still doesnt give you the right to pirate the game you dingus

[halcyon bear]

Yeah support doom. Buy it. If not ..

[royal chasm]

It's not like it costs them money to manufacture a new copy

[last rapids]

Brother you high? It is both legally and morally wrong

[royal chasm]

I'm not high and I've been working in the arts for several decades now

[halcyon bear]

Paint fumes ?

[royal chasm]

(In fact carmack actively encourages it)

[last rapids]

no way, you have a job???

[royal chasm]

take a guess based on my name

[rigid bridge]

Where does he actively encourage it

[royal chasm]

Interviews, and the fact that he posted Doom, Doom 2, and Doom 3 on archive.org for free lol

he's a major activist for freedom of information and was giving Doom away in the 90s when it was new

[halcyon bear]

If you want your franchises you love to thrive and grow you need to buy them. Unfortunately we don't live I'm a utopian society where people produce things for love and kisses

[royal chasm]

if nobody ever buys a copy of Doom 16 or Eternal again, id will be fine

Doom is the most famous video game except for maybe mario

[halcyon bear]

No they wouldn't. Business doesn't work like that. You're in fairy land bud

[last rapids]

to be honest I dont think they would want to be deprived of their money

[royal chasm]

I literally work for a public library, we give shit away for free daily

I know how the money flows lmao

[noble moat]

Good for you

[last rapids]

cool

[halcyon bear]

Thats funded by the federal government

[noble moat]

“They made plenty so it’s ok to steal some”
Is a stupid argument

And still illegal

[royal chasm]

I feel like I'm talking to myself from 2008

I can't believe my friends put up with this

[halcyon bear]

Sure comrade

[last rapids]

can you like stop talking please

[royal chasm]

nah

[rigid bridge]

yeah and you expect it back

before you start charging them for it

[royal chasm]

Nope, we don't have late fines

[rigid bridge]

still especially charitable

[rigid bridge]

damn

but most libraries are slightly less friendly than yours

[royal chasm]

(And when we did, I waived them because they were shitty)

[mint monolith]

And all of them are tax funded

[rigid bridge]

yeah somebody is still paying for the library

[royal chasm]

I, uh... know where my paycheck comes from actually

[rigid bridge]

yes

[royal chasm]

The meme is that no one in government would approve of the idea of a public library in the modern day because it's too "socialist", but taking them away would start riots

When in fact, the library purchasing one book/movie/game and distributing it to 200 people over its life is not functionally different to duplicating copies of doom '93 or whatever

[rigid bridge]

But the people don’t get to keep that copy of doom 93 forever

[royal chasm]

If you ask most librarians we wish they could lmao

[rigid bridge]

A videogame library sounds kinda cool actually

[royal chasm]

that exists, many public libraries have games

[rigid bridge]

That would be an ideal world

[rigid bridge]

Yeah I was thinking that was a thing

[royal chasm]

The funny thing about the "ideal world" is that we have the capacity to do the work towards building it. id made millions of dollars in the 90s and most of original doom was FREE

[rigid bridge]

Slow steps

[chrome basin]

librarians aren't content creators...

[royal chasm]

never claimed to be (though some of us actually are)

[halcyon bear]

[urban oyster]

Why do they have the demons in 2016 hit so hard

I'm playing on ultra violence but I feel like this is nightmare

[rigid bridge]

dont play nightmare

[urban oyster]

Dude

This ain't nightmare is uv

[halcyon bear]

Play nightmare if you want some good sweaty action

[rigid bridge]

yeah if this is uv then dont play nightmare

[urban oyster]

Dude just 2016 uv and eternal uv are two different difficultys

[rigid bridge]

yep
imps are birches in 2016

[urban oyster]

Dude ikr

And my god cacodemons actually kick in 2016

They there an actual threat compared too eternal

[warm turtle]

I just encountered my first pinky in doom 2016 I’m not to sure what to think about them

[rigid bridge]

"you aint in doom 1993 no more"

[warm turtle]

Your right I’m not

[royal chasm]

shoot them more and get hit by them less

[warm turtle]

Good idea

[royal chasm]

i am happy to be of service

[warm turtle]

I am two thanks for the help

lol

[elder meadow]

hi

[elder meadow]

2016 is better than eternal

[nocturne escarp]

I just finished mission 3 meltdown todayy

what were those big demons

[wispy verge]

ok

[wispy verge]

the boys that go down with one lock on

I think

[nocturne escarp]

Fr tell me

They are too hard to die

also the super shotgun is available in argent facility right
where is it located

[wispy verge]

they go down fairly easily, especially if you get the rocket launcher in a secret

[wispy verge]

there will be like a cliff section to the left of a door

just go there, kill the fodder and obtain it

[nocturne escarp]

Ok

[sage sundial]

What's the rune trial where you have to perform a glory kill on hell knights 3 times

Whenever I do it I always get stuck in stairs

[elder meadow]

ok

[royal chasm]

you have to use the shitty burst shotgun mod too, it's awful

[wispy verge]

dont you have to use micro missiles?

[wispy verge]

ok

[royal chasm]

oh was it that? I don't remember, the rune trials were mostly awful. the platforming one was cool tho

[wispy verge]

theres one where you have to perform 3 death from above glory kills using HAR and micro missiles

and theres another where you have to just kill various demons with the shotgun and charged burst

[royal chasm]

I mostly hated the rune trials and I'm glad Eternal didn't have them but in Eternal I did miss the rune upgrades

Like, collect ammo with rune equipped to increase the radius of vacuum

[wispy verge]

personally I liked the trials

some of them kinda succ but most of them are fine

The only one that I can think of that sucks is the remote det one

[royal chasm]

good practice for that mod though

[wispy verge]

I never use it though

soooo

[royal chasm]

Ah

It's extremely good, esp. in Eternal, once you get a hang of it

[chrome basin]

it's extremely good in 2016 as well

[jolly geyser]

the vibe of the rune trials was so good tho

[chrome basin]

usually the best way to deal with fodder demons at a distance (without wasting siege ammo anyway), and when upgraded it deals 2x damage for direct hits, making it the most useful for weapon quickswitching

[royal chasm]

One of these days I'd like to go back to '16 and beat it on UN

I tried streaming it, but it was taking too long and I kept having to restart

[wispy verge]

I mostly just use it for lock no so :/

[jolly geyser]

but tbf my least favorite rune trial is Savagery's, I never use that rune anyway

I could have said the same about In-Flight Mobility's rune trial if it was a rune that I don't use too

[chrome basin]

my first playthrough i did too, and thought remote det was useless by the time i ended up unlocking it. when attempting UN, i soon discovered the error of my ways

[wispy verge]

Whats the trail for it again?

[royal chasm]

I don't remember the specifics of the rune trials, which is weird because the last time I did a 100% of '16 was just a few months ago lol

[jolly geyser]

platforming

reach the altar

[wispy verge]

ah

Kinda sad you only get that rune late-ish game

[wispy verge]

yeah Im never attempting UN

[chrome basin]

^_^

still though, it's useful just in general

[royal chasm]

I would love to play Doom 16 with Eternal's weapons and dashing. It would absolutely break the game, would be insanely easy

[jolly geyser]

there's a dash mod for Doom 2016, I didn't try it yet though

it also has the same sounds from Eternal

[royal chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-sterling-archer-my-penis-can-only-get-so-erect-penis-dick-gif-5428707

[jolly geyser]

Wtf

[wispy verge]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-we-do-a-little-trolling-meme-shitpost-gif-20934549

[wispy verge]

might play around with it

[royal chasm]

It's funny, I know everyone (wrongly) hates Doom 3 but since that was my very first Doom, I was disappointed in 2016 when it wasn't very scary

[jolly geyser]

doom 3 was my first doom as well

[royal chasm]

Then I got myself caught up on the franchise and was like "oh okay this is awesome"

[wispy verge]

I would have played D3 but game pass said all you get is a black screen for 2 seconds

[royal chasm]

wat

[jolly geyser]

Doom 2016 is my favorite Doom but I wish if it had even more varied tracks, since they kinda get repetitive

I wish if Doom 3's intro track was remastered in 2016 but they saved it for Eternal's second official trailer

[royal chasm]

but it was remastered in 16

Harbinger

[jolly geyser]

That's the main theme, not the intro one

[royal chasm]

oh what was the intro theme lmao

[jolly geyser]

Tweaker was remastered as Harbinger

[jolly geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVLNz7rgRl8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocWQi0wrUUk Eternal's trailer version

[royal chasm]

Yeah mick gordon is basically a genius

[mint monolith]

and then he did a bunch of really stupid things

[royal chasm]

Shame he couldn't work on the TAGs. Picture how great it would have been to hear At Doom's Gate instead of Hushult's new... theme

Did he though

[mint monolith]

yes, he did

[jolly geyser]

he's good when it comes to composing music but in just life and work affairs...eh

[royal chasm]

ok but what

[jolly geyser]

not so sure, I only care about his music tbh

[mint monolith]

the series of things he did that are why he didn't work on TAG?

[royal chasm]

the story I heard was that id mixed the studio release of his album because of time constraints, and he was mad about that because the studio album of eternal is not as good as it could have been

[mint monolith]

and won't be working on Doom in the future ever again most likely

[royal chasm]

Like, Meathook just abruptly stops. It's a bad mix

[mint monolith]

and that story is nonsense because what actually happened is they kept giving him extensions on a deadline until they literally could not wait anymore so he lied to the community about what was happening to the point they had to release a statement about it

[wispy verge]

whats wrong with Andrew's

[royal chasm]

it lacks melody and is generally mediocre

[jolly geyser]

I don't like his works personally, nor david levy

[mint monolith]

I like them more than some of the base game material

[royal chasm]

Blood Swamps was excellent

the rest... eh

[jolly geyser]

didn't even like blood swamps, but anyway, back to doom 2016

[royal chasm]

(I actually don't like the album mix of Harbinger either)

There were some awesome ingame parts of it that aren't in Harbinger, and the track is very long and a bit repetitive

[jolly geyser]

it actually sucks how Harbinger was used in only one mission

Argent Facility

[royal chasm]

Yeah, we heard BFG like 3 times

But I get it. Better to focus on new music than remixes of old DOOM lore

[jolly geyser]

2016's At Doom's Gate: Am I a joke to you?

[royal chasm]

haha

[jolly geyser]

it was used 666+ times

[wispy verge]

haha rune trials

[jolly geyser]

Doom 2016 intro: At Doom's Gate
A Rune Trial is finished: At Doom's Gate
Boss' final glory kill: At Doom's Gate
Finished a mission: At Doom's Gate
Doom 2016's ending: At Doom's Gate

[royal chasm]

Well

Doom is everyone's favorite. Doom 3 is the favorite of a foolish few like myself

[jolly geyser]

well apparently people liked Harbinger and the Mick Gordonified Doom 3 intro music really much

[royal chasm]

they didn't know that going in lol

Doom 16 was not a guaranteed success

[jolly geyser]

of course

[halcyon bear]

Really is fantastic

[native star]

Doom 2016 is fun

[halcyon bear]

I went into 2016 with zero expectations

Blew me away

[royal chasm]

2016 is a nearly perfect game

[native star]

Not as perfect as eternal

[royal chasm]

Eternal is better gameplay-wise, because it has the now famous Doom Dance which is just excellent... but Eternal really fucked up the lore

[native star]

I rlly like eternal lore

[royal chasm]

Sure, it's cool or whatever but it makes 0 sense

[native star]

It a bit complicated but it ties a lot of ends

What makes 0 sense

[royal chasm]

I've read every codex entry multiple times and it just shreds itself. there's no continuity

[native star]

You read codex’s dang

Never read one in my life in game

[royal chasm]

I mean, you don't need to read the codex to realize that the story doesn't make any damn sense

[native star]

What part of eternal makes no sense

[royal chasm]

The Doom Hunters were raised from a race called the Aggadon, who were bred to hunt down Doomguy. The Hell Priests resurrected them from ice they were buried in for millions of years. Is doomguy millions of years old? Then how is he human from earth? Does that mean there's an id multiverse? If so then why does he care about THIS earth in particular so much

The moment you start to think about it the entire story collapses

[halcyon bear]

[jolly geyser]

DOOM 3 would have been my top favorite DOOM game of all time if it wasn't for its aged gameplay. its story and music is just top-notch, could have been way better though.

DOOM 2016 really takes the first place as the best DOOM game I've ever played IMO

[native star]

The aggadons are millions of years old but only the hell priests started breeding them recently to hunt the slayer

[royal chasm]

Nope

[native star]

The slayer aint a million years old

[royal chasm]

Read the codex

The aggadons were bred to kill Doomguy. They failed, and the Hell Priests brought them back with robot arms and the sled

[native star]

The doom hunters fought the slayer after the divinity machine right

[royal chasm]

"I thought you'd appreciate the sentry I chose - The great Agaddon Hunters from the Telos Realm. Though long thought to be extinct - created to hunt only the Slayer and his Night Sentinels during the Unholy Crusades. Some improvements on the design have been made. Enjoy what is undoubtedly my finest work."
― Deag Ranak

[jolly geyser]

why is this discussion taking place in #doom-2016

[native star]

Ye so only recently have the aggadon hunters been resurrected

[jolly geyser]

I believe it should go to #833975896196120626 but 🤷‍♂️

[native star]

@royal chasm go to eternal lore

[jolly geyser]

@alpine mortar go to #announcements

[royal chasm]

kk

[halcyon bear]

#bringbackthebaalgar

[jolly geyser]

#bringbackthebaalgar

[wispy verge]

#bringbackOpenGLsupport

[jolly geyser]

It's the name of the species that 2016's Cyberdemon belongs to

[wispy verge]

[jolly geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822161939144507392/866712755280936960/bal.png

Baalgar

[chrome basin]

doomguy IS millions of years old (or at least old enough to be documented in hell's earliest records, starting with 2016). though i agree that eternal's plotline is a mess, as are all the attempts for people to try to connect all the games into a single narrative

[halcyon bear]

https://imgur.com/a/AtTfCdv

[jolly geyser]

Overall badass

[halcyon bear]

💯

[silk acorn]

He had the guts to do what no other demon has done

[jolly geyser]

throw doomguy

[silk acorn]

Yup

[jolly geyser]

[wispy verge]

and he fucking died

[jolly geyser]

well, that was inevitable

every demon is sentenced to death already

if it exists, it's sentenced to death with a glory kill

[silk acorn]

Still, put up a good fight

[jolly geyser]

my favorite boss fight in the whole game

Hell Guards were also cool because they felt off

Don't know how to describe them

[halcyon bear]

Wasn't the first time

[torn bloom]

I got questions for any snapmap geniuses who are alot better than me

How do people manage to add FX to demons that actually stay onto them?

[fossil quail]

Does anyone know how to find a multiplayer match? I can't seem to find any, I'm on Xbox if that matters

[native star]

No one plays multiplayer anymore

[azure pawn]

It’s got different horns tho

[dull kite]

True

At least on doom 2016 no one does. I didn’t get the chance to try it out sadly

[dull kite]

Yes. Because of his ten years in hell. Time works differently in hell than it does on earth

[rigid bridge]

Fuck it, retcon everything

Make it a single cohesive storyline

Doom lore won’t make sense until doom 6

[chrome basin]

where is this 10 years sourced from?

[rigid bridge]

Ten years in your mommas ass

[slim pebble]

Remember when story was compared to a porn movie?

[dull kite]

Idfk that’s what I was told

[rigid bridge]

John carmack

Story in a video game is like story in a porno
It’s expected, but that’s not why you there
Something like that

[royal chasm]

this was always my intent. also hi i'm back from black widow

[halcyon bear]

10 years in hell

[rigid bridge]

Nice
Gonna watch it on my birthday, in a few days

[warm turtle]

I watched it when it first came out with one of my friends

[halcyon bear]

Carmack is also a robot so maybe don't take his advice

[dull kite]

Lol

[rigid bridge]

Sometimes you just gotta hit that “it was just a dream” button

[rigid bridge]

Well
I’m also a robot isn’t he the one I should be takin advice from

[halcyon bear]

[rigid bridge]

I’m an literally Samuel Hayden

[halcyon bear]

" vr is the future "

[dull kite]

Lol

[rigid bridge]

Doom 2016 takes place in like a 100 years whos to say it won’t happen then

[rigid bridge]

It probably is but not for a long goddamn while

[chrome basin]

2016's plot didn't really make a ton of sense, either

[rigid bridge]

Made more sense than eternal lol

[halcyon bear]

Demons bad

Kill them all

[chrome basin]

definitely, but also, idk

[halcyon bear]

Scientists stupid

And evil

[rigid bridge]

“This Is my hiding spot and I’m not moving from here until the situation drastically improves!”

[chrome basin]

can someone remind me what the big deal about olivia opening up the tower portal was, and why it was so important that they prevent it and then close it?

[halcyon bear]

Famous last words

[rigid bridge]

He probably just fuckin died on that spinning electric thing too didn’t he

[chrome basin]

i mean the base was already destroyed by the lazarus wave, and hell could already freely teleport its demons over via gore nests, summoners, or just the usual cross-dimensional activity mentioned in the logs and holobuddies

the tower portal seemingly had like, no importance to mars already being completely overtaken by hell, hell could already infinitely reinforce itself to mars, and it was already made to be a stepping stone to earth

[rigid bridge]

Listening to Kashmir by Led Zeppelin because it’s the nuts.wad music

[chrome basin]

i was expecting the tower/well portal to start consuming mars and transitioning its architecture/reality into hell like in the original games, but this never happened (wasted opportunity)

[rigid bridge]

Less be honest it was kinda poorly done in the originals to begin with

[chrome basin]

what was?

[rigid bridge]

Think e2m2-3

They showed wall textures mixed together with hell textures

But it was weirdly done

Sandy Peterson you’re a beautiful man but I will never forgive you for those ugly ass Deimos levels

[chrome basin]

i liked episode 2, haha. and i liked how they combined uac architecture with hell, progressively throughout the episode. i like how certain areas still retained more uac and others more hell, or just the general mishmash. it overall leaned more towards hell by the end of ep 2

i mean ep 1 is still the GOAT but still

[rigid bridge]

I thought it was a cool idea but I felt it definitely could’ve been done way better than it was

I also like episode 2 a lot

After not having played it in months

Nah I think it was cool

Also had cool music

The music in e2m2 greatly improved my opinion of it

[chrome basin]

i first played doom on the sega 32x (lol), so i only had access to the first 2 episodes starting off. then i think i got it for saturn and then psx, before finally getting a pc and getting to play it all the way it was originally meant to be played

[rigid bridge]

Huh

Nice

[chrome basin]

deimos lab was my favorite level of ep 2, since it was so replayable, and easy to wake up all the demons at once and then just return to the start with the mob chasing me, lol

[rigid bridge]

I played through the first 3.5 levels at a retro arcade a few years ago

[rigid bridge]

Holy shit I fucking hated Deimos lab

[chrome basin]

yeah, i think i recall you saying that earlier

[rigid bridge]

The music haunted my dreams

[chrome basin]

but like i said, as a kid playing it for the first time, never having played an fps before doom, or even seeing anything quite like its crazy design, ep 2 definitely made an impression on me (as did ep 1, obv)

hell was a disappointment to me compared to those 2. and i HATED slough of despair

still do

[rigid bridge]

Yeah i can imagine

[rigid bridge]

I liked slough of despair, even when everyone hated it

[open talon]

Doom 2016 on switch is extremely impressive for switch

[halcyon bear]

nice

[nocturne escarp]

finally got the super shotgun

[nocturne escarp]

Ok

Super shotgun is level 4 tho

After meltdown

I hated hell knights but now I found the rocket launcher

I still hate them but now they die easiliy

[sand tinsel]

Yeah

Should i do a no mod and upgrades nightmare run

Or attempt UN

[native star]

Both are bad ideas

[torn bloom]

anyone Wanna play a doom boss map I made

in 2016 of course

[elder meadow]

i think DOOM guy's suit has a problem

i just died and... the suit isnt exactly the preator

[elder meadow]

if i was you id use a combo of one precision shot with the ar and a rocket followed with the plasma

[nocturne escarp]

Where to get plasma rifle

[nocturne escarp]

I just use the rocket launcher 3x

[elder meadow]

its effective

but fr quick combos, i think mine works out fine

[wispy verge]

when you have the weapon swap speed upgrade but you still swap slowly no matter how quick you press buttons

[elder meadow]

dont worry

if u dont have it yet, they still work

its just a split second slower

[halcyon bear]

At least you're swapping. Be proud. Some people just use 2 weapons the entire game

[fiery yoke]

reminder that snapmap has no swap firing delays

[wispy verge]

reminds me of that guy that only used HAR and combat shotgun in their Eternal review

[elder meadow]

ew

[rustic flax]

Need help

I literally lost my exploration in one level without any reason

I completed level 2 without all the secrets, then I runned it a second time and got all 100% stuff. That was yesterday. Today, I opened the game and started the third level. All was correct, with my progression, but then I clicked on restart mission because I was going to record it and I activated a dialogue before starting the record, so I clicked on restart the level. I did this and I reapeared at the beginning of the third level but I realised I didn't have my plasma rifle! I went to the main menu and the progress on the second level went back to the first run where I didn't explore 100%. WTH

Someone else has experienced this bug and knows a solution?

[elder meadow]

no idea

tw for the advanced complex mission where u get the bfg 9000, i cant seem to find a technique against the 3 cybers without the bfg, any combo suggestions?

[jolly geyser]

there's only one cyberdemon in 2016 though?

wait cyber mancubi

[azure pawn]

Cyber mancubus

Yeah

[elder meadow]

yes

i tried ar, ssg gauss and rocket but nothin

[jolly geyser]

lock-on burst => gauss cannon => explosive shot and repeat

[elder meadow]

okay

ill do that

[jolly geyser]

also stun bomb them

[elder meadow]

will do

ive only been playing 4 hrs on pc

for my 1st time for doom 2016

[jolly geyser]

before or after the combo

I prefer stunning them before the combo tbh

[azure pawn]

Dude just siege mode

Siege mode twice and they’re gone

[jolly geyser]

I hate siege mode

[azure pawn]

Why

[jolly geyser]

Dunno, just not appealing for me because it makes the Slayer slower. I always get Precision Bolt mod first

[elder meadow]

same

siege is just against what the games mechanic is

i feel like barons are so ez to take

[jolly geyser]

Doom 2016 is easy and all until VEGA Core, absolute mindfucking

[elder meadow]

i use ar precision, gauss, ssg and rocket. then eince and repeat

[elder meadow]

i had a hard time on xbox

[jolly geyser]

I got fucked hard in my first NM playthrough when I reached VEGA Core

[elder meadow]

wait im at the Lazarus mission, is it this part i get to fight the cyberdemon?

VEGA core is the equivalent of breaking your fingers

[jolly geyser]

Yes

Very soon you'll get to fight him

[elder meadow]

i hope so

[jolly geyser]

nobody could have said better

[elder meadow]

should i livestram my game for no reason?

stream

[jolly geyser]

sure, I'll watch

[elder meadow]

@jolly geyser wait a sec

Can u see @jolly geyser

[jolly geyser]

No

[elder meadow]

This is fuckin jokes innit

[jolly geyser]

lol rip

[royal chasm]

I had this same problem streaming 2016

CHange your settings so that you're sharing whole monitor, instead of just the game

[elder meadow]

ok

where can i find it

[azure pawn]

For me it’s Advanced Research Complex’ last arena and Lazarus Labs

I died the most in those two areas

In my first play through that is

[elder meadow]

can u see?

[jolly geyser]

no

[elder meadow]

ffs

ill see tmrw

or on steam?

or twitch idfk

ill be back later

[sand tinsel]

Yep

Vega core arenas are big and open like eternal arenas

Also found out that you can do the argent facility destroyed skip in the beginning with micro missiles aswell

[halcyon bear]

[jolly geyser]

skip?

[azure pawn]

That wasn’t even a comparison

[wispy verge]

what difficulty

[halcyon bear]

I just like health potions

I have a problem

[sullen wagon]

what they taste like

blueberry?

[willow frost]

Anyone wanna play multiplayer?

[jolly geyser]

NM

[royal chasm]

that depends, sam. can i shoot a hole into the surface of mars

[wispy verge]

okay then

I mean I kinda agree

Im just too big of a poopoo gamer to not die

[autumn crater]

"you can't just shoot a hole into the surface of mars..."

Hahaha

[royal chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/samuel-hayden-doom-crucible-hayden-gif-22329723

[wispy verge]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-and-ok-and-whole-sqaud-gif-22248092

[sage sundial]

ok buddy

im going to shit yourself

without the stank of the crucible

argent energy will shit down

i hope you understand im not a villain in this story

till we meet again

doomslayer

[brisk osprey]

there a reason the preator suit was found near the coffin In 2016's lore?

[royal chasm]

because why not

[brisk osprey]

fair enough

[flint dune]

As far as I know, the Doom Slayer was trapped in that sarcophagus with his armor on.

[royal chasm]

He wasn't, that's why he wakes up naked in 2016

[flint dune]

Pretty sure he wakes up on a table though. Instead of the Sarcophagus. I’m guessing the UAC were planning on examining him, given the little robotic tools that surrounds the table.

[royal chasm]

nah, it was the sarcophagus

check it again

[flint dune]

Oh yeah you’re right, my bad.
Guess that’s another continuity error in Doom’s story. According to the lore, demons trick and trap him in a Sarcophagus. That thing hadn’t been opened until Samuel found him.

So unless he decided to not wear his armor that day, no idea why it’d be in a separate coffin.

[royal chasm]

It was yeeted off his body by the demons

[green fjord]

Currently achievement hunting but I need the cyberdemonic armor achievement, anybody else that is also looking to get this achievement willing to help?

[green fjord]

my platform is pc

[sage sundial]

whats the achievement?

[rigid bridge]

You have to shit into a sock

Then deposit it into your bank account

[green fjord]

Basically I need play a match with the cyber demonic armor equipped, meaning I need to reach echelon 8 @sage sundial

[sage sundial]

oh so online?

[green fjord]

yeah

I'll need three other people though if I want to do this

[sage sundial]

playing on switch cant help

sorry

[green fjord]

np

[sand tinsel]

Yeah the one where you go from the ledge to the rune trail area usually by gauss boosting

[nocturne escarp]

guys where to get plasma rifle

[halcyon bear]

resource operations.

[nocturne escarp]

which level

[royal chasm]

Resource Operations

[halcyon bear]

Second level

[nocturne escarp]

BRUH

ill have to replay :wawa:

😭

[royal chasm]

Hope you learned a lesson

Take your time, explore, move carefully and deliberately in between ripping and tearing

[green fjord]

I basically 100%ed each level before moving on lol

[nocturne escarp]

eh i just wanna play for tp

[royal chasm]

Eternal has way less exploration, and secrets are generally but not always way more obvious

[nocturne escarp]

ill replay on normal with 100%

[royal chasm]

TP?

[nocturne escarp]

rn playing easy

time pass

[royal chasm]

Oh I pass the time with nightmare lmao

[nocturne escarp]

lmao

[royal chasm]

One of these days I think I'll try it on easy just to see how different it is

[nocturne escarp]

in easy I think there are less demons

which spawn with every gore nest destroyed

[royal chasm]

I wonder if I can get discord to stream doom properly today

[nocturne escarp]

my mic dont work lol

[royal chasm]

aha ok

[nocturne escarp]

imma just watch

[royal chasm]

well you can still watch

[nocturne escarp]

deafening as well

[elder meadow]

if i can remember, the Preator suit is the UAC suit, because in doom, doom 2 and 3, there is no Preator suit

[elder meadow]

ultra-violence?

[nocturne escarp]

Which one is between I dont wanna die young and nightmare

[sand dew]

It goes Too Young To Die, Hurt Me Plenty, Ultra Violence, and then Nightmare

[sand tinsel]

You can get it later on after Ress op

[nocturne escarp]

Ok

[fringe hill]

oh wait shit

theres a "download demo" button on the right in doom 2016's steam page.

[dry sinew]

is it possible to play 2016 on controller?

[fringe hill]

yes

just connect your gamepad and play it

doom 2016 is even on consoles

[dry sinew]

i mean like gameplay wise...