doom-2016

[violet hinge]

you get used to it. you just have to get through the first few levels, once you reach kadingir you'll be pretty strong

[viscid lava]

I'm at Kadingir

[violet hinge]

I've only played Nightmare, and the main thing is your target prioritization for the difficulty

you don't want to have too many imps/soldiers build up, even though a lot of the other demons seem strong, it's typically the smaller ones that kill you

imps are like number 1 focus most of the time

[elder meadow]

I wonder though

Because for destructable demons when you shoot them it will be pulling a bunch of giblet assets

[viscid lava]

I'm having trouble with the Mancubi and Hell Knights. I have no trouble with Imps. Shotgun grenades wipe them fast. The only thing that kills me is the Hell Knights.

[violet hinge]

you just gotta get good with weapon switching to maximize damage output

[elder meadow]

Hell Knights aren't that bad lol you'll learn how to deal with them

Because later they will throw even more crap at you

[violet hinge]

hell knights and mancubus can drop really quickly with a good rotation of weapons

[elder meadow]

From my time playing Doom 2016 I found that in the early stages the 3 shot burst wittles down Mancubi pretty fast

[violet hinge]

I also recommend mastering the remote detonation for the rocket launcher, and the cluster strike for the combat shotgun. If you open up with the rocket launcher remote detonation, and then the cluster strike, those two attacks will be doing chip damage while you use other weapons to kill

[elder meadow]

Only problem is that you'll be spending shells quickly

[violet hinge]

RL remote det > cluster strike > gauss > ssg > usually dead

takes like 2 seconds

[elder meadow]

Just aim for it's face

[viscid lava]

I see. Well, what if I don't have those mods and only have the base gun?

Spray and pray?

[violet hinge]

then I'd recommend getting the mods lol. Without them, I'd still open with the same rotation minus the mods

[elder meadow]

Wait you don't have any mods for the combat shotgun?

[violet hinge]

he might not have the explosive shot

[elder meadow]

Oh shoot you're all the way in kadingir???

[viscid lava]

I do. I have it maxed.

[violet hinge]

also Gauss Siege mod is your friend, you can one-shot the Hell Knights. get it asap

[elder meadow]

Oh I see

[viscid lava]

Can do. Where would be the best place for an easily accessible drone?

[elder meadow]

[violet hinge]

There's one after you get through the Blue Skull door in Kadingir

it's kind of impossible to miss too, you'll find it

otherwise, hunt for secrets. this game becomes really easy if you're getting all the upgrades in each level

[viscid lava]

Oh ok. I'm stuck on the part with the blue door.

[violet hinge]

stuck as in can't beat the fight? or stuck as in can't figure out where to go

[viscid lava]

Can't beat the fight. The Hell Knight keeps coming from no where.

[violet hinge]

ah

just keep backing away from him, cluster strike, gauss, ssg

open with micro missiles too if you have them

[viscid lava]

Ok

Normally I have no trouble with the first Hell Knight but this time he got me.

[crystal orbit]

just ended my ultra nightmare run to that exact guy because I thought I had enough chainsaw fuel

spoiler alert: I didn't

Oh wait Kadingir when you said the first Hell Knight I thought you meant the first one in the game lol

[tribal rivet]

So I lost a UN 100% run tonight, I was in D'nur, hit the first secret skull switch...
... and went on without the secret. lol oops.
Tried to go back via gauss and IFM, fell off, alt f4, tried again, fell and died before i could alt f4, file corrupt. finished out the game on NM. Oops!
I also fell through the floor in AFD and alt f4'd there so it was technically invalid anyway!

[crystal orbit]

yikes

[tribal rivet]

not optimal, but it’s ok! I have another UN 100 clear but wanted to see about another. All good! 😄 It was actually someone in chat who let me know I missed it

[elder meadow]

i started a no upgrades unm run a few days ago, wondering if I should make it a 0% run instead

[crystal orbit]

Pretty sure that’s made impossible by combat rating alone

Well, unless you go the way of the any% speedruns and railboost or otherwise map magic through the whole game I guess

[barren wind]

0% is an established criteria on the Doot2016 meme boards. But, it's a run that measures combat prowess and forces players to max combat rating.

[elder meadow]

without getting any codex entries, weapon mods, argent cells etc

[worldly magnet]

i did like a 5 percent run, no gun mods, no secrets, 1 argent cell (cause idk how to do that bypass), no upgrades

its hard

[elder meadow]

so far my biggest obstacle is the level 2 clip to skip the argent cell

[worldly magnet]

i have no idea how to glitch that so i just dont bother

[barren wind]

@kral that paperclip is a bit of a pain to perform. I've contemplated making a tutorial vid about it. What that be something you would find helpful?

[elder meadow]

definitely

[worldly magnet]

i think alot of people would find that helpful

[elder meadow]

i got it sort of working but then I got stuck in some pipes

[barren wind]

I'll work on pumping something out this weekend.

[elder meadow]

thanks

[worldly magnet]

(cant forget about testing the rune skip)

i really wonder if that can be replicated

[crystal orbit]

Oh ok I thought 0% meant no combat rating either since it gives you weapon upgrade points

[worldly magnet]

well its not a glitchless run

[barren wind]

The WUP are what we use to track if you hit full CR per level. You're only allowed to gain it via CR, and you cannot spend it.

[crystal orbit]

Ok that makes sense yeah

[barren wind]

0% is basically the opposite of 100% in that we look for blanked out end screens (excepting CR)

Along with the joys of not upgrading any weapons, upgrading the suit, argent cells or slotting any runes. It's a fairly masochistic run x)

[charred ermine]

Hey y'all. I'm upgrading my PC with recommended specs for Doom 2016 and I need an affordable (at most 200$) motherboard that's compatible with an Intel Core I7 3770. Any suggestions?

[barren wind]

I am but a lowly scrub when it comes to hardware.

[elder meadow]

to alleviate the pains of not having any upgrades I don't go for any fights that are skippable

[crystal orbit]

Looking forward to seeing one of these runs from you

[barren wind]

@crystal orbit Have you happened upon my 0% UN clear, by chance?

[crystal orbit]

Oh you’ve already done it? No I haven’t seen it sorry but I’ll give it a watch tomorrow it’s past midnight here right now

[barren wind]

Forgive the shameless self promotion, but it is a very difficult criteria that quite a few of us (RedW4rr10r and Allstin, to name a few) run.

[crystal orbit]

This is the first time I’ve even heard of the 0% run lol

[charred ermine]

It would involve thar you don't find any secret or kill any enemies

I can imagine the challenge

[burnt badger]

Yeah 0% requires full CR else you could skip tons of stuff. It's pure evil

[elder meadow]

ill be interested to see if it'll be doable in some form in doom eternal

[charred ermine]

I doubt it. But it would be cool.

[elder meadow]

too early to say, really

[burnt badger]

Depends how much the game forces onto you, but I suspect it would be possible in theory. In practise is a different matter

Well, it's pretty much a different matter on 2016 too, since Byte is the only one that's completed it on UN

From what I remember on some of the recent gameplay videos though, there's quite a lot of stuff on the end screen of Eternal levels. I think there were several tabs even

Not sure if we actually saw everything listed there or not

[charred ermine]

There is something we will not be able to do that we could in 2016

A Naked Run...

[burnt badger]

[crystal orbit]

You never know

[charred ermine]

That too

[elder meadow]

imagine if there was a almost naked skin for doom guy in DE

[charred ermine]

How do I mark something as sppilers on Mobile before posting?

[burnt badger]

Argent underpants only

[crystal orbit]

Wouldn’t be too far off the lore provided in 2016

[elder meadow]

use || like quotation marks

[burnt badger]

Yeah, || on either side of the text

[charred ermine]

Ah

[elder meadow]

you see I wouldn't mind a completely nude skin for doomguy but I don't think the world is ready for that yet

[charred ermine]

I wonder what the ||Unmakyr|| is like.

[crystal orbit]

My body is ready

[charred ermine]

I hope it's not just the sword

Since you get both in the same room apparently (if I reffer to what I saw in the trailer)

[burnt badger]

@charred ermine That's discussion for #eternal-spoiler-chat

[elder meadow]

just a heads up the thing you've put a spoiler mark around hasn't been officially announced and should be relegated to #eternal-spoiler-chat

[burnt badger]

Indeed

[scarlet gorge]

Indeed!

[ashen anchor]

Indeed

[scarlet gorge]

Indeed!

[ashen anchor]

What other commands does VEGA have?

[worldly magnet]

go into #vega-playground to see

[ashen anchor]

Ok thank you

[tribal rivet]

Also, trickydog11 is working on UN 0% and has made it to D’Nur. Kelleroid has a couple NM runs in, too.
I’ve done a NM run of 0% as well as PONE (pistol only, no equipment).

PONE teaches you about enemy AI and better arena analysis, as to what the trigger enemies are for each arena and how to break it down.

[elder meadow]

I don't hate myself enough to attempt PONE

[barren wind]

PONE is only difficult because of the Lazarus Pie Room and the VEGA train arena. If it wasn't for those two arenas, 0% would still be the most difficult criteria to run.

[tribal rivet]

It’s funny, my buddy Greyfalll, he just got DOOM 2016 recently, and his first run of the game is a blind NM PONE. He got up to the guard boss fight before taking a break from it.
He got pie room without any reference to mine or @barren wind ‘s video in like a few tries. He didn’t feel it was hard.

And he like me, loves the IFM rune and made great use of it.

This guy is a machine. Great classic DOOMer as well. He doesn’t feel PONE has been too bad.

he did miss CR in a level or so barely, but it was Tower and ARC I believe. So no biggie, he didn’t skip anything.

[elder meadow]

excuse me what he did PONE on his first playthrough?

[tribal rivet]

Blind yes

he had only really seen some of UAC

this is not a joke lol. I promise

[barren wind]

There's a vast difference between Nightmare and Ultra Nightmare, though @tribal rivet

[tribal rivet]

I watched his runs on stream

there is absolutely yes

[elder meadow]

that's such a big flex

[noble moat]

Only in death and self damage I believe

[barren wind]

Permadeath

[tribal rivet]

I just think it’s crazy he pulled it off like that, first run of the dang game

[barren wind]

That's the only difference

[tribal rivet]

oh yeah mentally UN is a huge step

[noble moat]

I’m convinced UN you take more self damage. Could be my imagination tho

[tribal rivet]

it’s the same

[elder meadow]

I can't wait to do UN of doom eternal

[noble moat]

Like I said could be my imagination

[tribal rivet]

I’m starting right off on NM

[noble moat]

Hello guys here I am doing my 13 hour doom eternal UN speed run

[tribal rivet]

what would REALLY be nasty in eternal is something I did for 2016 “ultra nightmare, but chat chooses my upgrades”. And I made it harder on myself with some rules

[elder meadow]

Same

[barren wind]

Gotta go fast!

[tribal rivet]

challenge runs on eternal are gonna be hard. Cause enemies and mods are designed to pair up. Take mods away and ouch

[elder meadow]

i wanna do UN with invasions on

[noble moat]

UN in eternal deserves the highest of praise for anyone that can complete it tbh.

[burnt badger]

Honestly PONE on first playthrough is reckless, you have way less chance to enjoy the game thereafter because it won't be challenging enough

I look forward to the challenge of learning the game mechanics for Eternal UN

[elder meadow]

punch only no equipment doom eternal run when /s

[tribal rivet]

He does challenge stuff in general so he was all in

[burnt badger]

That's the fun part about it if anything

[tribal rivet]

so much to learn

[noble moat]

I can’t wait for dash

[barren wind]

The dash mechanic is going to be interesting. It was awesome watching Torok get into the zone for his NM playthrough of the latest DE build.

[tribal rivet]

Yes that was a great watch

NM will be the way to start. Spud says he’s starting there. BigMacDavis said he is too

[elder meadow]

Hugo has said it's the only way he plays the game now

[tribal rivet]

same with 2016, once you get used to NM it just changes the way you play the game

[cinder juniper]

which mode in multiplayer is everyone playing , it takes so much time to find a match

[worldly magnet]

well not really any mode

besides team play

[buoyant marlin]

I hope we get a doom 2016 skin for eternal

[frosty tusk]

yea that would be sick

[buoyant marlin]

I got the three skins from the collection, demonic and the zombie one I dont think I will get the 25th ani. skin in 2020

is it worth doing max level on doom 2016?

[buoyant marlin]

I meant echelon XI

[violet hinge]

it's probably not worth it anymore imo

[tribal rivet]

It’s fun to get a 1 cycle Hell Guard phase 1 with BFG double tap!

Feels powerful

From the first shot of the BFG to him being staggered is like 6 seconds

[worldly magnet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=FdPLO3jhSuY&feature=emb_title

[elder meadow]

Does anyone know why my doom wouldn’t be fully scaled out on pc

I can’t send a pic

[worldly magnet]

send the link to the pic

[elder meadow]

Idk how to do that on mobile

[worldly magnet]

post into a private server or imgur and then copy and send the link here

[elder meadow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/626548724692418642/672608990298898433/image0.jpg

[worldly magnet]

must be the resolution setting?

[elder meadow]

My resolution in settings is lower than what it should be (1600x1024), but every time I change it to 1920x1080 it just reverts back

[worldly magnet]

hmmmm, ive never had that issue

maybe someone who knows more about computers than me in #community-support could help you

[tender shadow]

Just send it to yourself in fb and copy link exactly to picture

It's the easiest way

I do it all the time with VK

My resolution in settings is lower than what it should be (1600x1024), but every time I change it to 1920x1080 it just reverts back
@elder meadow You changed it only in windows settings or also in game's?

[elder meadow]

Someone helped me fix it!

[tender shadow]

I've already seen it

[elder meadow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/626548724692418642/672612813436616727/image0.jpg

[tender shadow]

Shit I want to chat by voice with someone

[elder meadow]

I’ve almost finished doom on switch, time to start a pc playthrough

[tender shadow]

Which difficulty?

[elder meadow]

Third one up

[tender shadow]

Ah

Ultra-Violence

[elder meadow]

Yeah

[tender shadow]

I'd say that is something between medium and easy levels

[elder meadow]

Fair

Wow this is already such a better experience compared to switch

[tender shadow]

Try Nightmare

[elder meadow]

Now my switch playthrough is going to be ruined Bc I know the true potential lol

[tender shadow]

Heh

That's right

[elder meadow]

Aiming with mouse is so nice

[tender shadow]

Really, try nightmare. It's supercool

[elder meadow]

Plus that 100 FPS is a big upgrade

Okay I will

[tender shadow]

I mean
Of course, there was couple places where I was trying to complete for days or weeks

But it's really cool experience

[elder meadow]

For some reason my game is capping at 60 FPS when not in loading screens

I know it’s not the machine Bc it’s staying at 60 without moving

Very strange

Well one problem per day

[tender shadow]

You mean you have 60fps and you dissapointed with that?

[elder meadow]

Lol true

I’m used to 100 FPS

[tender shadow]

Omg

I have sometimes 20fps and I handle it

[noble moat]

I’m used to 30fps

[elder meadow]

Yeah switch caps at 30

[violet hinge]

do you have vsync on? @elder meadow

[elder meadow]

So I know how it is

@violet hinge I think so

[noble moat]

Black ops on the DS runs at 15fps. I like that too

[tender shadow]

@noble moat well I play with 60

[violet hinge]

turn it off to uncap the fps

[elder meadow]

Alright

[noble moat]

Cool I play at 30

[elder meadow]

I think i crashed my computer tho lol

[tender shadow]

lol

[noble moat]

Why u driving it? No seatbelt smh

Didn’t even use a blinker

[elder meadow]

Was running smoothly, but then I went to start a new save so I could difficulty set to nightmare and the loading screen just full crashed

[tender shadow]

You know I'm like streamer and I have a group in russian social network VK, and I'm writing an article about the history of Doom

I can translate it later and send here

[elder meadow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/626548724692418642/672615141849956353/image0.jpg

And so my nightmare difficulty begins

[noble moat]

Enjoy

[tender shadow]

Congratulations and good luck

[elder meadow]

Thanks

[tender shadow]

Try not to die in this room

[noble moat]

It will be good practice for eternal

[elder meadow]

Running at that nice 100 FPS again 👌

True

[tender shadow]

Spoiler
You'll die for about 5-10 times in second room with imps

[elder meadow]

I’ll probably get eternal on pc instead of switch now

[tender shadow]

Indeed

[scarlet gorge]

Indeed!

[elder meadow]

I wonder how far I can go without dying

[tender shadow]

Heh

[noble moat]

Considering you have a pc I don’t see why u even considered it for your switch

[elder meadow]

I die on hurt me plenty lmao

[tender shadow]

Hah

[elder meadow]

@noble moat the portability is really nice and it’s a hassle to get my pc setup and running

I played doom on switch after my chem thing today lol

[tender shadow]

Anyway I prefer PC

[noble moat]

But apparently the switch is not the real way to play it so why bother

[tender shadow]

I just have used to it

[noble moat]

Well back to my Ultra Nightmare switch run

[elder meadow]

Holy shit I just let an imp fireball me Bc I assumed I could tank it (at 67 health) and I died...

They only do like 5 damage on hurt me plenty

[worldly magnet]

fireballs on UN can do a max of 75 damage

[tender shadow]

you know I actually have completed nightmare run with every single secret. I've collected all this chips from guardians and I have absolutely fully upgraded weapons

And armor

[elder meadow]

Dang

I’m not much of a completionist

[worldly magnet]

ive gotten 100% trophies for doom 2016

[tender shadow]

Cool

[elder meadow]

Awesome

[tender shadow]

I have 48%

[worldly magnet]

those MP ones are hard af to get

[tender shadow]

Yeah

[worldly magnet]

took me like 2 weeks and 60 hours to get them

[tender shadow]

In mp I want to get to max level only because of doomslayer's skin

[elder meadow]

Doom at 100 FPS is beautiful, I can’t believe I wasn’t playing it like this before

[tender shadow]

I love it

@elder meadow indeed

[elder meadow]

Definitely buying doom eternal for pc

[tender shadow]

I hope my friends will buy it for me for my birthday

But even if they will it won't be a preorder...

[elder meadow]

Yeah, I wasn’t going to buy it Bc of cp2077, but then that got delayed until September so I’ve got time now

[worldly magnet]

doom eternal is probably the only 2020 game im going to play

[tender shadow]

Caden, what time do you have?

@worldly magnet agreed

[elder meadow]

What do you mean?

[tender shadow]

Like your time

[elder meadow]

@worldly magnet yeah I’ll probably play doom eternal up until September then switch over to cp2077

[worldly magnet]

i may buy borderlands 3 once it comes to steam tho

[elder meadow]

It’s coming to steam?

[worldly magnet]

yup

[elder meadow]

I thought egs exclusive was lifetime

[worldly magnet]

no, only 6 months

[elder meadow]

Oh dang

Why was everybody going insane over it then lol

[worldly magnet]

cause egs bad

i guess

[elder meadow]

@tender shadow I don’t have much time in the day to sit down and play pc which is why I liked the switch if that’s what you’re asking

[worldly magnet]

ive never used it and i probably never will, all i know is that you cant buy doom on it

[tender shadow]

N

No, I mean here what time do you have
https://sun9-13.userapi.com/c206728/v206728686/532ef/kSpGAsz3ZXQ.jpg

[elder meadow]

Oh

8:44 PM

[tender shadow]

Ah, okay then

[worldly magnet]

ah, an east coaster

[elder meadow]

Indiana gang

Our state has nothing good tbh

[worldly magnet]

c o r n

[tender shadow]

I want icon of sin in doom eternal as alternative boss

[elder meadow]

And Indy 500 if people outside of Indiana know what that is

[worldly magnet]

anyway, this is getting a bit offtopic, lul

[elder meadow]

Indeed

[scarlet gorge]

Indeed!

[tender shadow]

I want icon of sin in doom eternal as alternative boss
@tender shadow Like it was in hell on the earth

I understand right that in brutal doom and in original doom 2 there were two different versions of icon of sin?

Like in original doom there was only face on the wall and in brutal version there was this thing like huge giant guy

?

[hushed vault]

yeah, BD added a "map enhancement system" in version 21

among other things it adds voxel scenery, 3D model scenery, plants, lights, and texture changes

[elder meadow]

There’s no way I’m going to be able to finish this game on nightmare mode

I’ve already failed the first room twice

Make that 3 times

[pseudo crane]

I'm sure you can do it. 🙂 In some ways it gets easier the further you go, as you get more weapons and things like double jump and Runes.

[tender shadow]

I had the same

I spent about month for nightmare run

It's okay

Once, in Foundry, I died about 80 times

[elder meadow]

I beat the room by hiding around a corner, peeking out, shooting, and hiding again

[tender shadow]

After that I didn't have such difficult situations

[elder meadow]

Which is effective, but I prefer just running in, shooting, and soaking damage lol

Makes it a lot more fun, way easier,but fun

[tender shadow]

Ah

No, I'll run like that

After you get used to this level

[elder meadow]

Yeah it’s just really making me hate doom lol

I’m not a fan of the difficulty=fun

[noble moat]

You watch Nemo?

Just keep runnin, just keep gunnin, just keep runnin, gunnin, runnin

[elder meadow]

I just accidentally blew myself up with a grenade

Doom is testing me

[hallow prawn]

Don't play Nightmare if you don't like it, be like me

I am fine with maxed out difficulty in other FPS, but it was exception for both og and 2016 Doom

[karmic flax]

Nightmare is fun if you go into it accepting that it won’t be fair

That way you become less hard on yourself when you die and slowly start to get good!

[noble moat]

Doom has 5 difficulties for a reason, whichever one you have most fun with is what you should stick with. Just because people play higher difficulties doesn’t mean you should feel like you have to

You gave it a shot and that’s what matters most. If it’s frustrating you, then it may not be the thing for you. No one will belittle you for playing a lower difficulty

Afterall a game is meant to be fun

[tender shadow]

That's fair

[stone matrix]

nightmare isn't supposed to be fair, it's supposed to make you master the game so much that you dodge pretty much every attack

or else you're dead

[noble moat]

Whoah idk wtf I did,
I beat the first 2 levels on UN without getting hit once

It felt awesome

[karmic flax]

Damn lol

Considering those are one of the hardest levels in the game that’s pretty impressive

[noble moat]

Dude I’m saying

I’m here with full armor like wait a min, full armor? That’s not possible

[karmic flax]

OOPS

[noble moat]

But I promptly died Next level do to a sneeze and jumping into lava so the laws of luck balanced out

[karmic flax]

Oh fuck that

[noble moat]

It’s funny, because I’ve lost maybe 5-6 UN runs purely due to sneezing or sneezing fits

[karmic flax]

Idk what it is but sometimes i just know I’m going to die in a pit when they appear

You’ll have to wear a gasmask or something

Doomguy helmet

[noble moat]

Lol, one time I sneezed all over my switch, and I was so grossed out I forgot to pause

Just stood there next to s mancubus like an idiot

[karmic flax]

Shit lol

[buoyant marlin]

is there cross-save for Doom (2016)?

[elder meadow]

For Xbox?

[buoyant marlin]

I own the game on the ps4 and want to buy it on the PC but if the progression from the MP doesnt transfer over rip

[elder meadow]

It might if you can sign in with a Bethesda account

[burnt badger]

I don't think it has a sign in for a Beth account, it saves all the data through Steam I believe. So I presume console services save the data for their editions too.

[buoyant marlin]

oof at least I got the three skins into my beth. account

if i try i might be able to get every skin in the game

the only one that i might not be able to get for now is the 25th ani, skin

[sterile pier]

https://youtu.be/XNmozHXQ5zk

This is good stuff

[winter folio]

doom baby

I have one last secret to 100% doom 2016 once and for all

It’s in Foundry so it’s probably not too bad

[nova dirge]

oi uh how do I change the rendering mode outside of the game again

need to change it bac to opengl or whatever instead of vulcan

[buoyant marlin]

finally Doom(2016) platinum with 100% on all expansions and Echelon VIII Level 39

Might as well get Echelon XI and might try doing UN

[burnt badger]

As posted in #showroom-archive, Lt-Kregorov is back with his in-depth Ultra-Nightmare guides which are suitable for people new to the difficulty too. He just uploaded Kadingir, and is aiming to finish the rest of the levels over the coming weeks.

[vast fable]

best for last

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQHKOZ-5p5c

[nova dirge]

I managed to get it just about playable again! https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/656558905974980641/672859846093307945/unknown.png

scrapes 50 when Im not looking at much too

[noble moat]

What is that

[burnt badger]

Wait, the arcade multiplier doesn't scale to 4:3?

[tired chasm]

@nova dirge What R7?

[nova dirge]

uh idk but this thing doesnt even have vulcan so Im impressed I can even get consistent 20-30 which means its actually playable

[burnt badger]

Hold on, is that integrated?

Since I only just noticed "VRAM 0 MB"

[violet hinge]

yeah I'm pretty sure it's integrated

[burnt badger]

Good job to get it running then

[nova dirge]

yeah sorry I didnt mention it is, dont have a graphics card

[hallow prawn]

Running doom without dedic is impressive

[worldly magnet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/388867562454122497/672898232388681728/Capture.JPG

oh man, check out the version of doom mp

[shrewd shale]

Doom is kinda inconsistent with the stregnth of the doom slayer

in doom 2016, it's said that all of hell could not kill the slayer, just trap him

but one hell knight can tear me apart

my headcanon is just that the doom slayer would never struggle at all fighting a few hell knights, and the game is punishing me for letting one hit me a few times

because if the lore in doom 2016 is correct, one hell knight would have no chance of tearing apart of killing even a defenceless doom slayer

[pseudo crane]

In the lore he's being played by himself. In the game we're playing him, and we're prone to mistakes. He isn't. 😄

[hallow prawn]

They couldn't kill him because he wouldn't let them
When slayer dies this is not canon

[vast fable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPc9O8s-dgc so uh

This looks slower than the final. Also has different plasma gun animations I think

[shrewd shale]

@hallow prawn yeah, but I was wondering if his duability is canon when he gets torn apart by a hell knight

obviously he never dies in canon

[karmic flax]

That fov is terrible

[violet hinge]

hes 100x more powerful in lore than he is in gameplay, that's just how things like that work

[shrewd shale]

Yeah that's what I was thinking

It's just not possible to portray someone with city-leveling power in an FPS game

just like how your power is so inconsistent in god of war, it has to be for gameplay reasons

[noble moat]

ultra nightmare is the only real slayer simulation experience

[karmic flax]

Also IMO killing doomguy would just allow him to respawn somewhere else in hell

[vast fable]

It's the same thing as Kratos in the new God of War. He's still just as powerful as his old self, if not more, and can regenerate from any damage, but that wouldn't make for a fun game

[karmic flax]

All the lore is fluff told by demons

[violet hinge]

if the slayer was the same character in gameplay, he'd literally stomp every single demon with no trouble at all. instead, a single imp has a good chance of killing you in nightmare

[karmic flax]

Other than the fact that he’s scary and strong

[violet hinge]

so basically playing the game on Im Too Young To Die is the most accurate experience

[karmic flax]

I still think he gets through shit because he’s skilled and stubborn

[vast fable]

Also I saw the reload animations

Wonder why he didn't try the Pistol, BFG, and Chainsaw

[karmic flax]

You can use the pullcord on the chainsaw so I guess thatd count as a reload

When you fill it up

[vast fable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdPLO3jhSuY

[karmic flax]

But back to the previous points I don’t really think there’s much disconnect between gameplay doomslayer and lore

[violet hinge]

there is most definitely a disconnect between gameplay and lore

[karmic flax]

If we’re talking about doom as a whole, people always bragged about the original marine being able to carry like 300 pounds of equipment and go 50 MPH as if it were canon

I don’t see a point tbh

[vast fable]

And then they did make it canon in 2016

[karmic flax]

The lore IS the gameplay

[violet hinge]

not really

[shrewd shale]

I wouldn't say that's true, in a lot of games with overpowered protagonists they have to dial back the power of the protagonist in order to balance the game

[karmic flax]

There’s no need to separate story and gameplay because they’re one in the same with doom

You shoot demon, the end

[shrewd shale]

doom would be no fun if you were actually as strong as the doomslayer

well no, there's the codex and the demon voice stone thingies, and in the new game they're going to introduce more lore

[violet hinge]

power in the lore is significantly different than the power in game

[shrewd shale]

Yeah there's a whole map that's a demon the slayer killed without the praetor suit

you don't have nearly that much power in gameplay

[karmic flax]

I don’t think they’ve ever said that

[vast fable]

uh

[hushed vault]

I still really hate how they keep depicting him as someone able to kill millions with a single tap basically

[karmic flax]

IIRC

[shrewd shale]

The huge dead demon is a big baddy that the slayer killed

[violet hinge]

well yes, he killed the Titan in lore, something we've yet to see in game

[hushed vault]

I'm deffo all for the Testaments being heavy exaggerations

[karmic flax]

It’s implied he had the praetor suit even during argent d nur

They have statues of his suit built there

[violet hinge]

I'll agree with that, not sure where people keep getting the idea that the Slayer killed the Titan with nothing.

[hushed vault]

especially if they were passed down generation by generation, which makes it possible that they were blown even more out of proportion each time

hell, it's possible that he might've actually used the mech from the Eternal trailer

[karmic flax]

Yeah

[shrewd shale]

I have the feeling the lore is going to get more rediculous in the new game anyways. Doom slayer killing titan with his bare hands, doom slayer getting temple dropped on his head, doom slayer boning my wife, etc.

[karmic flax]

I mean doomguy is a scary motherfucker in general but lots of the lore is like

[violet hinge]

once again, where are you getting the idea that the slayer killed the titan with his bare hands? that didn't happen

[karmic flax]

From their perspective

[hushed vault]

literally the only people that would actually believe that are the demons and Reddit brainlets

[shrewd shale]

HE didn't bone my wife in the game either, i was giving that as an example of how over the top the lore in the new game might be @violet hinge

[karmic flax]

Sorry if I started this convo kinda snobby guys lol

[violet hinge]

I mean you also said above he did it without the praetor suit

[karmic flax]

He definitely boned my wife

[hushed vault]

who says he didn't use the mech?

[shrewd shale]

oh I just read that somewhere, I'm probably wrong about him not having the suit when he killed the titan

[violet hinge]

I don't think there is much reason to believe that the demons are making shit up about him and over exaggerating. yes, they're terrified of him, but at the same time he's clearly capable of this shit

[karmic flax]

Yeah I don’t think they’re making stuff up but like

[hushed vault]

not that capable

[violet hinge]

how do you know?

[karmic flax]

If you look at historical tales men of war always exaggerate their enemies in fear

[hushed vault]

again, who says he didn't use the mech?

[karmic flax]

Not that doomguy isn’t a scary dude but still

[violet hinge]

he killed it with sword and shield, likely referencing his weapon and armor.

[karmic flax]

It’s like vlad the impaler

[shrewd shale]

really he's just as capable as the plot demands him to be.

doom slayer is like goku

[karmic flax]

I just think the charm to doomslayer was the fact that scientists thought he was an ancient scary demon, but then they were confounded to find a body of a man

Like “what the fuck lol it’s some naked guy and his green suits

*suit

[shrewd shale]

I like doom slayer because he is almost aware of the fact that he is in a game.
its like the game knows they're falling into this tired old trope of the overpowered hypermasculine male protagonist, but they turn it up to 11 just for the irony
it's almost like the doom slayer knows you're watching him and tries to play up the gore and his badassery as much as possible without breaking immersion.

[hushed vault]

I still just don't find it fun to be the strongest man in the world

[violet hinge]

to each their own

[hushed vault]

I want to feel outclassed

[shrewd shale]

it's like halo, the whole game is meant to be a power trip

[hushed vault]

so when I actually manage to beat the thing stronger than me somehow, I feel good inside

[karmic flax]

Doomguy is an extension of the player and is unionically the most relatable protagonist of all time

[hushed vault]

I want to feel like I'm trying to punch a grizzly bear to death, not stomp on a single fucking ant

[violet hinge]

I prefer this version of the character, but like I said, to each their own

[karmic flax]

I’d like to think he still counters things that are technically more powerful than he

The titans are no fucking joke

[violet hinge]

we'll have to see how the Maykrs stack up against him

[karmic flax]

Yeah lol

[hushed vault]

also, remember the secret tree that spoke of the Crucible's power?

saying it could corrupt a man into a being that even Doomslayer feared

[violet hinge]

yes, but it was talking about the imperatrix.. which the slayer then killed

[karmic flax]

Oh shit that was something zexxy found I THINK

[violet hinge]

yep lol

[karmic flax]

Hell yeah dude

I wonder how that’ll carry over tbh

To the story

[vast fable]

I prefer this one too

[karmic flax]

Eh doomguy is doomguy

[shrewd shale]

doomguy from 1993 feels much less powerful than 2016 imo

although maybe that's just the limitations of the technology

cuz if you had jump, no hitscan enemies, and vertical aim then 1993 doom would actually kinda play similar to 2016 doom

like d4t plays pretty similar to new doom

[karmic flax]

Yeah pretty much

[noble moat]

Remove all hitscan moves from classic doom and you’d get hurt easily less than half as much as rn

[fair cedar]

Thanks for the share @vast fable

[long hazel]

also enemies drop health and ammo if you're low on either, so you're more likely to survive a fight
which is kind of necessary with a checkpoint system

[sweet solar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxd7JVibP_s&t=2708s you can find some old doom 2016 gameplay throughout this, there is an old foundry level at 8:06

unused music at 34:46

[vast fable]

The reason doomguy feels more powerful in classic is because enemys were weaker and the shotgun was stronger

[karmic flax]

He was definitely faster

But yeah enemies were slow

[vast fable]

Imps in 2016 are a lot stronger than imps in even sped-up classic doom

[karmic flax]

They’re badass

[noble moat]

Cuz technically while weak, imps are not useless. Hence why the newer versions are more true to them

Running around, climbing, jumping, fireballs, swiping

[vast fable]

Yeah they made you actually have to aim

If you didn't really play FPS games much before

[noble moat]

B4 it was like
Oh an imp
Here’s a shotgun blast

[vast fable]

Then there's Hell Knights

[tacit void]

I beat the game on nightmare mode, gonna keep practicing so i can eventually beat Ultra, but any advice on weapon mod order?

[vast fable]

Which were easy to deal with in classic, but now they'll f*ck you up early on in the game, though later they're kinda pathetic

though so is everything else that late in the game if you kept up with mods and runes

[noble moat]

Weapon mod order
Depends on if you do secrets or not

[tacit void]

I do every secret.

[noble moat]

I recommend heat wave on plasma over micro missiles in level 2

[tacit void]

For CC?

[karmic flax]

Heat wave is very good early game at least

[noble moat]

When you do UN having hella imps running around is dangerous early on. Helps kill like 3-5 in one blast

[karmic flax]

Yess

It’s like a super shotgun blast the size of an explosion

[noble moat]

Later the stun is better. But early heat wave is amazing, especially since it’s free for just shooting

[karmic flax]

I’ve never given stun an honest try because of it lol

[vast fable]

I used stun for pinkies

[karmic flax]

Even if stun is technically better

Yeah

[tacit void]

Stun is super good against big stuff, specially pinkies or Barons.

[noble moat]

I never used stun, by the time u get to a point where it’s really good, u get gauss

[karmic flax]

Stun is great for 1 on 1 fights prolly

[vast fable]

Still useful for pinkies

[karmic flax]

And pinks

[noble moat]

True pinkies are op on UN/ N

[tacit void]

Stun is still useable though. Gauss is insta kill for like all mid tier and below demons.

[sweet solar]

i was playing an UV run last night, so i was really tired, and i rage quit in kadingir sanctum because i chainsawed a cacodemon and all the ammo fell off a cliff and i died

im gonna try to finish the level today since im not tired asf

[noble moat]

I lost my UN run yesterday cuz I sneezed really hard and my switch fell on my bed

Argent tower,

Got the boots, was jumping back and forth on the bridge type looking things

Sneezed halfway through a jump

First level of hell (I think it’s after argent tower)
Was running and got stuck on an invisible rock

[tacit void]

Last night I got stuck in Vegas coolent room.

[noble moat]

I’ll beat it someday

[worldly magnet]

oh if you ever get stuck, go to the launch pad right near the door, run into it while facing down with the gauss cannon, and fire the gauss cannon right after you launch but make sure you are moving towards the doorway the whole time

boom

you get over it

sometimes i skip that arena entirely cause its my least favorite arena in the game

[tacit void]

I just mantled over it using the jump pad near it. I had to look up teh solution though SMH.

is it cause you're killing the only person who talked to you besides a sociopathic robot?

[noble moat]

My run will be legit, no glitches or skips

[vast fable]

@worldly magnet you mean the one with infinitly respawning Hell Razors and soldiers unless you break the next coolant thing?

[worldly magnet]

i mean the one with the 4 coolant things in it

[tacit void]

I can't decide whether I should upgrade the rocket shot first or save those points for the heat wave plasma gun.

[vast fable]

Yeah

[worldly magnet]

even when you break all of them

and kill every demon

sometimes it dosent move on

[vast fable]

Turns out if you don't break the next one the game will keep spawning hell razors and soldiers until you do

The only such room in the game

[tacit void]

I didn't know that, it just bugged out on me last night and kept playing the battle music.

[worldly magnet]

that sounds like a good farm tbh

[vast fable]

Yeah but it's easy to accidentally break the next one if you use the rocket launcher or BFG

And then it'll spawn bigger monsters again and move on, you kill all the high tier demons and then it'll keep spawning Razors and Soldiers until you get to the fourth one

[burnt badger]

Save points for siege mode, thank Carl Friedrich Gauss later

[tacit void]

ISn't the earliest you can get a gauss cannon ardent tower?

[vast fable]

Siege Mode is good for Revenants and Cacos, but fully upgraded remote detonation is better for everything else

[burnt badger]

Yes, and earliest you can get siege mode is half way through Kadingir

[vast fable]

Especially Mancubus and Barons, it only takes like 3 or 4 rockets to kill them with it

[burnt badger]

But if you have 9 points by then, you can upgrade it immediately

Siege mode can kill everything in two shot

And nah a Baron will take more than 3 rockets even upgraded

[vast fable]

rockets are safer

[burnt badger]

Rockets got splash damage, which means you can splash yourself too

yeah but siege can kill them in 2

So who needs like 5 or 6 rockets

Even quad with lock-on rockets won't kill a Baron

[vast fable]

It depends really, but the game throws rocket ammo at you like every 3 seconds

[burnt badger]

Well yeah you can basically cheese the final third of the game with RgR and siege

[noble moat]

Rich get richer infinite siege

Unlimited Siege works.
I am the Bane of my Siege

[vast fable]

Ammo boost ii Vacuum BFG

is practically free too

[runic sigil]

Is it wrong if I use the ssg to kill everything?

[burnt badger]

Nope

There is nothing wrong in this game, it has lots of options to play how you like

(but if you want the easiest, just siege mod spam )

[tacit void]

Except for using rich get richer.

[vast fable]

Honestly I keep on Ammo Boost II, either vacuum or equipment boost and armored offensive

[runic sigil]

Indeed

[scarlet gorge]

Indeed!

[tacit void]

Ammo Boost 2 lets you just spam BFG at the end sometimes.

[runic sigil]

And killing the cyberdemon with only the ssg is something I have yet to complete

[vast fable]

B/c you can cheese your siphon grenade to get armor back

at least in mid-levels

[noble moat]

I want to get to the siphon grenade on UN, I feel I makes the end so much easier

My dumbass never realized it heals you. So I didn’t use it during my nightmare run

I just thought it was a cool looking explosion

[silver rune]

[steep gazelle]

helo

[shrewd shale]

I wonder if doomguy ever sleeps

This man spent eons rampaging through hell

dont you think he ever like took a nap or something

[true spade]

No he never rested

[noble moat]

Every kills gave him energy

You know what sucks do, he has no purpose besides this, what happens when there is no more stuff to kill?
He just, sits there

[runic sigil]

He kill the ground

[karmic flax]

He certainly took a big nap before 16 at least!

[runic sigil]

More like a concussion, had a temple collapse on him

[karmic flax]

Ow

[burnt glade]

hi so i've begun playing doom 2016 and am quite enjoying it so far though... how does the combat rating work? and do i have to collect evrything in a single run of a level or is it possible to just go back and get whatever i missed after clearing said level?

[elder meadow]

You can go back

Combat Rating is how many monsters you've killed
So if it is not full you have to find other encounters you missed

An empty UAC base is a good UAC base

[long hazel]

in Argent Facility I got full combat rating before I got the last gore nest
so it's not always exact

[limber mist]

You dont even have to clear the level if you're revisiting it for secrets or such @burnt glade

Just finding it and quit to menu also works

[limber mist]

By the way, is there any particular reason Cacodemons straight up explode when their eye gets removed/destroyed?

[hallow prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_TRw3gqL60
iirc this video covered theory on why

That's not codex, just speculation, but tl;dr there was something about Cacodemon having psychic powers and eye being in control of it. So, when destroyed, they can no longer hold or control that energy and explode

But that's double iirc on that topic

[craggy rune]

I think it might not be the eye that's the reason but the hand poking around in their brain matter

[hallow prawn]

When you shot off Caco's eye it get's blinded, shots around hysterically and then explodes. You MIGHT destroy brain too, but nah

[burnt badger]

Regarding combat rating, it's variable depending on level. Some levels you can miss an encounter and be fine, other levels you near enough have to farm to be sure of getting it

[craggy rune]

The first level you can get the supershotgun on us one such farm level iirc

Gotta find one specific cluster of demons who are actually hidden somewhat

[nova dirge]

lol I was thinking that same thing about the pain elemental glory kill when he pushes the eye out then back in and it just explodes for no reason

ah cool, isn't it normally 20 quid on steam?

[lunar girder]

Idk I cant buy either but friend posted it in server so I thought you guys would be interested😄

[hallow prawn]

@lunar girder

• Don't advertise here regardless of who or what it is

That still falls under this

Especially without any context

[lunar girder]

But its a good deal its a good thing

[hallow prawn]

regardless of who or what it is

[lunar girder]

Okey I guess

[nova dirge]

tbf surely anyone here who doesn't have the game would be grateful to see that though

but also idk how many people in this channel wouldn't have it

[lunar girder]

Well people like me😄

Neo kesha does that rule apply to mods too or only members?

[nova dirge]

I'm guessing it's probably not a good thing to buy from external places or whatever

[lunar girder]

But its safe as humblebundle

Which is pretty safe

[shrewd shale]

yeet

ok I have a theory

[elder nymph]

teey

hm?

[shrewd shale]

the voice stone thingies in doom say that the doom slayer got more powerful as he rampaged through hell, and that he killed the titan. Problem is, this is inconsistent with feats in the game
My theory is that, since he was more powerful the more he killed, he was weak in doom 2016.
I think before he was entombed he was about as powerful as he is when he gets a beserk powerup

cuz beserk is just argent energy, right?

he was probably a lot stronger after rampaging through hell for eons

[elder meadow]

Does anyone wanna play 2016 ps4

[lunar girder]

@hallow prawn does that not promoting rule apply for mods too or just members

[hallow prawn]

Where did you seen mods promoting anything? Rules are equal for anyone.

[lunar girder]

Not to argue with your or something, but you did promote roanoke gaming😄

[hallow prawn]

I don't even know what it is.

[lunar girder]

His channel

[hallow prawn]

It all depends on context. You can't just come here and post link "hey you can buy doom here with discount".
If someone asks people "Hey, can anyone help me, where should i buy doom?" totally legit.

[lunar girder]

Ooh ok thx for explaining😄

[hallow prawn]

I hear that name first time in my life. And please, stay on topic of this channel

[lunar girder]

Its of that morpgoligcal evolution explained😄

But he asked so I know😄

[hallow prawn]

See, that's not a promotion. Otherwise you couldn't share anything here. There was a question "Why do cacodemons explode without eye" and that video could answer that.

[lunar girder]

Yep ^

[tawdry loom]

What are some of the most fun/powerful weapon rotations to use?

[hallow prawn]

All of them. Using only some of them is not right way to play. Eternal fixes it, tho

But in 2016 you can play while game with SSG

[worldly magnet]

rotate to whatever gun works against the enemy

[tawdry loom]

^ any of them/ssg

I usually ssg when I'm lazy

But I've found rotating through rl, ar, and ssg is really fun

[heady eagle]

During certain "Cutscenes" or story moments my FPS drops from 144 to 60. Anyone else had this issue? Kinda annoying.

I just don't see a reason for them to do it, it's not like there are heavier loads during that time.

[tawdry loom]

It's just an fps lock from the game.

[heady eagle]

Yes, but why would they do it?

[tawdry loom]

Yeah it's annoying but it's not your pc being stressed

[hallow prawn]

Timing and sync

[heady eagle]

Most of the time, it's the same amount of loads, textures and everything.

[elder meadow]

Pretty sure is so the FPS don't fluctuate too much which could make you distracted from the actual scene

[heady eagle]

60 FPS makes me distracted from the scene.

If it was an actual cutscene, sure, but we're moving around, still playing.

[elder meadow]

What you mean

[hallow prawn]

Damn, I barely notice difference between 30 and 45

[elder meadow]

I thought you meant stuff like Olivia yeeting herself from Argent Tower

[heady eagle]

Yes, but also when you follow samuel into his office and move around without guns, that area is also 60 fps.

[hot coral]

I mean all of that is rendered in game..

[heady eagle]

@hot coral Exactly, there should be no reason to have it suddenly lock down to 60.

Well obviously there is a reason, but I can't help but wonder what that is.

[hot coral]

Well it could have to do with having to load in all the camera angles and animations and everything. Honestly I'm confused on why 60 fps is an issue for you, but i play on consoles and couldn't hope to play 144 fps so i can understand why you're spoiled. Lol

[elder meadow]

Yes, but also when you follow samuel into his office and move around without guns, that area is also 60 fps.
I have a theory. Considering railboosting is a thing already, imagine how Samuel's barrier could be trespassed with glitches or whatever else.

[hot coral]

For me anything thats locked at 60 and stays at 60 is a godsend..

[elder meadow]

^
Same

I usually have very variable framerates on all non-retro games

One moment you're at 65 FPS and then it drops to 45

[heady eagle]

60 is fine for plenty games, but when I play at 144 in doom and suddenly it goes into 60 it's very noticeable and annoying, but offcourse there is no combat at those times so it's not very important, I'm just curious why it happends.

Well Doom plays really well, it's one of the few games I can keep constant 144, besides said problem that is. And that is also with Ultra settings and 1440p

I had to dial back some nightmare settings cause I was a bit under.

[tawdry loom]

The difference between 60 and 144 is jarring when it drops to 60 again

Like when you walk into Hayden's office for that whole cutscene

It feels super laggy

[heady eagle]

Exactly! Someone gets it.

[tawdry loom]

For some reason watching a 60fps video and playing a 60fps game feel super different

[heady eagle]

It's cause you're expecting the movement

[tawdry loom]

Yeah, I play on a 165hz monitor so that scene was annoying to say the least

[heady eagle]

Same, or mine can OC to 165, but I just keep it at 144 atm.

[tawdry loom]

But watching the video playback was fine

[heady eagle]

Ye, but with videos it's different, it's different when you're the one moving the camera.

[tawdry loom]

I really hope Eternal runs smoothly

But then there is classic Doom which feels fine when playing at the native 35fps

[heady eagle]

Same, it certainly look a lot better, but then again maybe the new engine is a miracle and it runs great. I mean the engine is an FPS machine, so I would expect it to run great.

[tawdry loom]

There is also Vulkan support

[elder meadow]

Can someone tell me precisely what the automap stations do?

Don't I already get a map?

[noble moat]

Now u get a more detailed full map with secret locations
I think

[burnt badger]

The automap stations unfog the map for the whole level

Before you get one, you can only see pretty much where you've already been, with a little bit around you

[elder meadow]

So does it show locations of all secrets and stuff?

[burnt badger]

But if you get it, it shows the whole map. Anywhere you've not visited is in grey

No, but it will mark items you've collected, like argent cells and suit tokens etc. that turn orange. So if you see any of those on the map and they're white, you've not picked up them up

Though with the map showing areas you've not been as grey, you can extrapolate secrets to a degree

[elder meadow]

Ah

I really don't like how you need secrets to unlock armor and weapon upgrades effectively

Kinda ruins the pacing for me

[burnt badger]

I find that generally the suit tokens and argent cells aren't that well hidden.

But you do definitely miss out on some, and upgrade points in general, if you don't find the secrets

[elder meadow]

I feel like I have to autistically collect them or else I'll fall behind

[burnt badger]

It depends on the difficulty you're on. If it's not too hard, you'll be fine missing a few of these. You'll get a fair few weapon upgrades just by completing fights

If you're on a harder difficulty though it does make things a bit tricky since upgrades come more slowly if you miss some

[elder meadow]

I'm doing nightmare now, so I'll need everything I can get

[burnt badger]

Yeah you might find it a bit tough then in the early game especially

[elder meadow]

No matter what difficulty it always evens out in the end for some reason

[noble moat]

By then u tend to have maxed out mods all weapons most argent cells most suit upgrades etc

Plus experience

[elder meadow]

Nitpicks aside I really like this game. Part of why it's so great is its simplicity

Not all games need like 50 rpg systems. Sometimes you just need a gun and bad guys to shoot

[tacit void]

If you get every weapon point you end up with sixteen extra.

[heady eagle]

I didn't finish doom in 2016 for some reason, so I'm playing it for the first time now, but I picked the wrong difficulty, so I might play again after.

[burnt badger]

You can change difficulty in game so long as it's not Nightmare or Ultra-Nightmare

[heady eagle]

Ye, but I rarely bother to modify my run in the middle.

I'll just play Nightmare after.

[tacit void]

Honestly I think the game is intended to be played on Ultra-Violence.

[heady eagle]

It's for sure not meant to be played on Hurt me plenty.

The bosses can hardly be called bosses.

But as a doom virgin I just went with it.

I actually prefer games like Sekiro, that doesn't give us a choice.

[elder meadow]

^
I agree. There should be no difficulty settings. The elitism of Doomworld.com has teached us

[karmic flax]

Doom should always be set to nightmare

[heady eagle]

I wonder if people play without air control.

[karmic flax]

I can’t lol

[heady eagle]

Same..

But I wonder if anyone do it.

[karmic flax]

I’m good with the stiff controls during half the game but once you get it movement opens up so much

[heady eagle]

CPM movement is ❤️

[karmic flax]

Hell yeah dude

[shrewd shale]

WAT

You can play entire classic maps in doom 2016

can I play all of doom one in doom 2016?

[noble moat]

Lol if u think doom 2016 bosses were bad go play doom 3

Bosses are a joke

No you can’t play all of doom 1, only some doom 1 and some doom 2

[shrewd shale]

this is so weird

seeing modern AAA models in classic doom maps

I keep not jumping because I'm forgetting I'm playing doom 2016 lmao

WAT

how am i supposed to dodge a pinky in this tiny space

[karmic flax]

Yepp that pretty much sums up the classic maps lol

[ornate grove]

Anyone wanna play some DOOM 2016 Multiplayer?

I play on the switch verson and I need friends and good teams

[shrewd shale]

wait

switch?

this game is on switch?

I didn't think the switch would be able to run it, with a moble processor and all

[ornate grove]

Yeah, DOOM is on Nintendo switch

Its very good

[shrewd shale]

apparently this game will run fine on a gtx 950

I didn't think it was that well optimized

[elder meadow]

2016 is sick optimized

It runs on my piece of shit that needs to delete every shadow for Street Fighter V to get 30 FPS

[ornate grove]

Lol

[karmic flax]

Dude same

[shrewd shale]

bruh

Does anyone else unironically listen to asmr while playing doom

I like to have someone whispering into my ear that everything's ok while rip and tear through hell

[elder meadow]

Doom itself is the ASMR

[lament anvil]

^

[elder meadow]

Doom without music is kinda pathetic

[ornate grove]

The music is nothing but heavy metal

have no problem with it, I think it's cool

[tacit void]

I like it... when it doesn't bug and keep going during vegas chapter.

[ornate grove]

So does anyone have DOOM for switch?

the latest one too

[noble moat]

I do

I have every doom on switch (that’s available)

[ornate grove]

Wanna 1v1?

My switch code is SW-0634-4907-7981

I play it all say

[elder meadow]

Nobody:
Doom menu: WHOWHHWHWHWHWHWHH ding

[karmic flax]

Lol

[heady eagle]

Hmm lots of unanswered questions after finishing Doom (2016) for the first time.

[noble moat]

I don’t play online

@ornate grove

[hushed vault]

honestly, I don't like 2016's menu theme

[vast fable]

heresy

[hushed vault]

it's so damn annoying

I'd actually prefer literal silence for the menu

[vast fable]

So is it bad that I know a guy that like Doom 3 better than 2016 because "tHeRE's MoRe eXpLoRaTiOn"

[exotic cave]

I...kinda agree

[hushed vault]

or something more ambient like 64's menu:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITIGTr2tkUA

@vast fable I do like 3 better than 2016, but not for that lousy reason

[vast fable]

despite the fact that all of the exploration in 3 is linear

[hushed vault]

for me, 3 had an actual medium difficulty instead of "ITYTD then two difficulties that are basically ITYTD in disguise" and it had a better Hell too

[vast fable]

I don't mind that you liked Doom 3 better it's just he gave the dumbest explanation

[hushed vault]

also, the enemies sounded unique

and the music didn't drown them out because there really wasn't any

[vast fable]

Yeah you either play on Hurt Me Plenty and the game is pathetic later on once you get the mastered grenade launcher mod onwards, or the next difficulty up will make you cry yourself to sleep

[hushed vault]

I played on UV and I still felt like that

I get that Doomslayer is basically the strongest man in the world, but the in-game difficulty has absolutely no right to reflect that

[noble moat]

That’s because the game didn’t really scale at the end for how op you became.

And if it ever felt too hard always had a BFG

[vast fable]

Yeah, not to mention the runes unbalance the whole game

[noble moat]

And even then I kept forgetting I had a BFG

[vast fable]

It's pretty clear that the game wasn't made with armored offensive or ammo boost ii in mind

[noble moat]

Yeah some runes were so broken, rich get richer, infinite ammo. Infinite siege mode

Lol rich get richer rune, with infinite micro missiles mod.
That was fun

So so stupid. But fun

[vast fable]

Also console glitches, terrible loading times, sound cutting out, Snapmap taking ten hours to load with no option to load it by default on console like you can with stuff in CoD, and dumb stuff like enemies not attacking immediately after spawn, so you can cheese with the gauss cannon if you see them spawning

Games still good tho

[hushed vault]

the Steam version should have a prompt to launch directly in one of the three modes

instead of only being able to launch in Campaign mode and then having to relaunch in-game to go into the other modes

[vast fable]

Also they never added update 6.66 and Unto the Evil and other new weapon stuff to Snapmap

[exotic cave]

The difficulty and staleness in 2016 especially at the end is definitely a criticism that id has said is valid

and they specifically changed in Eternal

[hushed vault]

yeah, I really hope Eternal sticks to this line in the classic trilogy's manuals:

Using your wits is IMPORTANT.

instead of just being able to brute force your way through everything, that's kinda lame

[exotic cave]

the devs have repeatedly stated that Eternal is more like that, a combat puzzle

[tacit void]

I still liked doom 2016, I still find it challenging at times, though not for any reason other than overwhelming numbers and sometimes suprise spawns.

[vast fable]

Yeah og doom had some stuff like "should I save this megasphere until the end of the level for the next? Should I conserve my ammo with the chainsaw? Should I try to be topped off at the end of the level?"

[tacit void]

You couldn't save the mega health spheres in doom 2016, cause the door would usually lock behind you. I didn't like that.

[karmic flax]

That’s a good way of putting it

[vast fable]

same

[karmic flax]

I loved conserving stuff for whatever reason

[vast fable]

And you could only save health and ammo going forward during the campaign, not on level replays

[karmic flax]

Yeah

I hope there’s a new game + because of that

Maybe

[tacit void]

Eh I was fine with that. I mean for first run throughs at least. If you could go back and redo it perfectly then I wouldn't get the point of nightmare mode personally.

[tame bone]

I'm not gonna have Doom anymore :(

I can't afford to keep my PS Now subscription, not that I'll have much use for it now that they're removing Persona 5

[nocturne basin]

LOOL
https://twitter.com/mashed/status/1222935231835123714

MASHED (@mashed)

Doom's hellish Demons prepare for war, only to discover a different kind of @Doom Slayer... #DoomEternal https://t.co/d4o5apWere

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[lunar girder]

Anyone has doom 2016 key? I can offer c# unity for exchange?

[heady eagle]

It's pretty cheap now

[lunar girder]

I know but I cant buy it 😕 so I am offering what I have😄

[shrewd shale]

I wonder why it took them 12 years to make another doom game

Wasn't old school doom one of the best selling games of all time?

[hushed vault]

well, first of all, the first iteration of 2016 (Doom 4 1.0) was basically Call of Duty with demons

some footage leaked and concept art leaked around 2008 or so and obviously, they were not well-received

I think around that same time id was bought out by Zenimax

in noclip's 2016 documentary, there's a little more footage

[shrewd shale]

Oh ew

[hushed vault]

the whole intent of the project was to depict a realistic representation of a Hell-controlled Earth

it had a combo melee system that would later evolve into the Glory Kill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bq1VlSTG1w

[shrewd shale]

I hate the COD gameplay loop and how its everywhere these days.
Every game doesn't need a sprint, shoot, sprint, shoot, hide until the jam disappears simulator.
Why do ppl keep buying cod clones

[hushed vault]

on one hand, I'm glad it didn't make it through, on the other hand, I'm sad because I'd still prefer to be a regular human and not some super-powered being

[shrewd shale]

Sprint and ADS are honestly one of my most despised features in games

Aw

I really like the power trip of playing as doom slayer

I think it really captures the spirit of doom

[hushed vault]

as far as I know, in classic and 3 you were just a regular human being

storywise, especially

[shrewd shale]

In doom 64, doomguy decided to stay in hell
Like this guy just isn't a normal human. In order to stay in hell and survive he has to be superhuman

[hushed vault]

I mean, all those Berserks might've turned him into something more than a human

not to mention that he got PTSD after 2

and the text screens clearly show him as being insane

[shrewd shale]

Yeah I'm glad they didn't make him all crazy in doom or doom eternal

[hushed vault]

sometimes I kinda wish they stuck with the Doom Bible with four different characters

[shrewd shale]

I just want doomguy to be a badass husk for me to embody, not a dude with emotional trauma

Cuz I cat identify with demon induced ptsd

[hushed vault]

he wasn't meant to be full character anyways

just a marine-shaped shell for the player to sit in after the rest of the folks at id threw the Doom Bible in the trash

[shrewd shale]

Yeah I like it when protagonist are just basic dudes with few or no lines. Like master chief or doomguy. That way hes just an empty husk so I can enjoy the power trip

[hushed vault]

I don't want a "power trip"

I want to feel outclassed and maybe afraid

like in 3

[shrewd shale]

I like both sorts of games

But what, to me at least, is the charm of doom is the over the top basassery and violence

[hushed vault]

Doom 1 was a bit more horror-influenced than it seems to most

the general plot, some of the maps, some of the music

[shrewd shale]

Yeah there are a few spooky areas

[hushed vault]

PSX Doom and 64 amplified that a bit and that's why I like them

in fact, I like Aubrey Hodges over both Mick Gordon and Bobby Prince

[torpid rampart]

I have always wondered how strong are Imps like if an Imp got into a fight with a regular person how fucked is that person ?

[elder meadow]

if it's a normal civilian, then yes he/she is prob screwed, if it's a soldier,police officer or armed civilian, then it depends on their skill and weaponry since imps can throw fireballs @torpid rampart

[tacit void]

I mean they can literally rip off doomguys arm so.

[elder meadow]

@tacit void at least in the lore that will never happen

[tacit void]

I know, I'm just saying, if they can "technically" rip off doom guys arm I mean Civi's don't stand a chance.

[elder meadow]

idk if a normal 9mm pistol can kill them, but i'm pretty sure class 4 and higher weaponry can kill them from what I know at least

[tacit void]

When does a 9mm pistol kill an imp in Doom 2016

[elder meadow]

I'm talking about if it happened irl, not about the game itself, since there is only a plasma pistol in the game @tacit void

[tacit void]

An Imp takes several shots from a fifty cal machine gun and doesn't go down friend.

[shrewd shale]

Anything can take doomguys arm of ingame

As dumb as it sounds I hardly take gameplay to be canon in doom

Cuz its just not possible for gameplay feats to line up with lore feats

[hoary badger]

they seem to be "mortal" in a sense but super HARD to kill meaning basically enough shots of anything should EVENTUALLY kill it

[shrewd shale]

How are you gonna kill a titan in game??

[tacit void]

BFG 9000?

[elder meadow]

prob just using revolvers, ARs with high rpm, shotguns and sniper rifles can be enough to kill them then @tacit void

[shrewd shale]

Doesn't seem possible in an fps

[tacit void]

Oops my bad, 10000

[shrewd shale]

Just due to limitations of the format

[tacit void]

IDK how do magic swordsmans kill a dragon? Lots of slashing and magic.

[shrewd shale]

Oh my gos

Internet died

I didn't see any of your replies

Oof

I was on wifi to what even is life

[noble moat]

Welll if you watched Doom Annihilation Imps took a nice beating

And they killed in 1ish fireballs

Now assuming an imp like In a Doom 2016 / Eternal. Most humans would indeed be screwed

Armed humans would probably have a chance, but wouldn’t end well

[tacit void]

IDK how do magic swordsmans kill a dragon? Lots of slashing and magic.

[noble moat]

And then again any real demon invasion isn’t just imps, it’s all the other demons. Hence why Earth would fall so fast

But how would a tank fare vs demons 🤔

[tacit void]

Probably anyways. If everybody had gear like the UAC did in Doom 2016, they'd stand a way better chance. Also does anyone else find it weird that Hayden definetly killed Barons of Hell?

A tank? Probably good until they got to it.

[noble moat]

Now thinking about it, we have pretty decent weaponry. Hell, in the doom universe we got GAuss cannons and such

So whatever destroyed earth had to have been op
And or sheer numbers

[tacit void]

I mean it looks like the Moon has a giant BFG on it so even a titan shouldn't be much of a problem honestly.

[noble moat]

Well that was on Phobos.

[tacit void]

I dunno what that is.

[noble moat]

Moon was destroyed in the trailer

[hushed vault]

Phobos is one of Mars' moons

[tacit void]

Gotcha.

[hushed vault]

and also where KDITD and part of 64 takes place

[tacit void]

Never played those. Excited to play 64 as part of the preorder bonus.

[noble moat]

I wonder how useful a massive BFG would even be tho. Seems a bit overkill destroying planets kinda powerful

[hushed vault]

KDITD is the first episode of Doom 1

[fair cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u2b3ZDe7gM An unused line by Samuel Hayden in Argent Facility

[shrewd shale]

oof

I just can't help myself from cranking the volume while playing doom

hello tinnitus my old friend

like bruh can you believe that i really got a free game with mick gordon's soundtrack'

Oh that's a cool voice snippet

sounds like they initially planned for hayden to finish that line, then you interact with the lenses, but then decided to have doomguy kick the lenses in the middle of his speech

[ornate grove]

@noble moat oh

[karmic flax]

I still think lore and gameplay are intertwined

Doomguy just doesn’t make any sense

In a comical way

[noble moat]

Doesn’t make sense that we know of

[karmic flax]

He follows his own logic

In all things including physical

Also he was blessed by a seraph at some point

But that’s about all I need lol

[oblique pagoda]

When you guys play multiplayer, what weapons do you prefer?

I have a personal preference of the rocket launcher and heavy ar

[soft crest]

@oblique pagoda rocket launcher is great, always not sure which 2nd weapon to pick

[torpid rampart]

https://youtu.be/MgYBVdIHDPo it’s crazy watching this trailer again after 6 have passed

[karmic flax]

Oh my god

[violet hinge]

I remember going crazy after they showed that off at E3. It had been so long since the last doom release

[marble grail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owYGxBtq7Io

[karmic flax]

Yeah it’s crazy how long it’s been already

[marble grail]

Well yes but.. DOOM 2016 was imported into the quake engine....

[karmic flax]

Whoa!!!!

I know lol it was a late reply to zex

[empty violet]

Trying to beat Doom 2016 on Nightmare

[gritty shale]

i haven't played Doom 2016 but i will when get a more powerful pc, how difficult is it compared to the classic doom games

[karmic flax]

It’s a lot more difficult depending on the difficulty

But nothing is harder than classic nightmare

You solve problems in the same way though IE. kiting attacks and running around really fast

[hushed vault]

"Not even remotely fair"

[karmic flax]

Even moreso cause there’s no hitscan

And Yeaah lol

Also I’d say the movement is a bit slower but it’s still important

[shrewd shale]

when i first booted up doom I was like "meh, nightmare can't be that hard" and proceeded to get destroyed by imps in the first level

whereas 'im too young to die' is comically easy

I'd reccomend ultra violence if you're not new to shooters

I think ultra violence is the best 'normal' difficulty to play most doom games on

[marble grail]

@gritty shale that's funny. I remember someone saying in the comments of that doom 2016 port "YES I CAN NOW FINALLY PLAY DOOM 2016 ON MY COMPUTER!!!!"
sory for caps, but the commenter was apparently rly excited

[harsh oar]

anyone using HRTF audio with doom?

i feel like the standard spatial audio is REALLY bad

[elder meadow]

I just got doom 2016 any tips for campaign

[native grove]

Keep moving and think fast, otherwise shoot it until it dies

[harsh oar]

basically

and start on ultra violence

i mean, can always start higher if you want

[elder meadow]

I'm having trouble on the shield bois

[harsh oar]

but hurt me plenty is wack

explosions @elder meadow

[native grove]

Shoot a rocket behind them or use grenades for those, also they die in one guass shot

You can also shoot a rocket above him and detonate it when its behind

[elder meadow]

Nice thx and also what about hellknights

I just got the plasma rifle