doom-2016

[flint lichen]

speaking of titanfall 2, is it just me or is the fandom getting kinda annoying

i joined around the time of the ddosing, like 2020 or 2021, before the recent influx with sales

on the r/titanfall subreddit, yes boo me reddit user, they just act really childish, might just be an old man yelling at the clouds though

[fierce cipher]

The base fire sounds okay

[stark carbon]

earg#sm

[stark carbon]

man im just waiting for tf3

[fierce cipher]

I also love the charge up sounds on Arbalest and Destroyer Blade

[stark carbon]

i already 100% titanfall 2

[flint lichen]

when did you start playing?

[stark carbon]

titanfall 1 in 2015

[fierce cipher]

Oh yeah and the Plasma Rifle when it enters red heat mode after a full heat blast is eargasmic

[stark carbon]

then i got into 2 in the release

[fierce cipher]

Never really looked into it tbh

[stark carbon]

and played and yeah
one of the best games ever made

now im just watching EA being stopid with microtransactions in apex legends..

[fierce cipher]

I can understand those who don't like Eternal.

But it's always weird when people call it homework or say "you can't be creative"

[flint lichen]

ive never really gotten the thing about titanfall being one of the best games ever made, maybe im just defensive over my favorite games, but titanfall just feels like a game with really fun gameplay and not much else

[stark carbon]

and im almost sure they are developing tf3

[stark carbon]

tf2 campaign?

[stark carbon]

on god dude

[flint lichen]

yeah... feels kinda boring to me, i like it, but it's just too short for its own good, i just wanna get it over with

[fierce cipher]

Do y'all prefer Eternal or Titanfall 2?

Gotta go with Eternal here.

Longer, better combat, better music, aesthetics, and atmosphere.

Also Titanfall 2 doesn't have a grappling hook in the Campaign, only in the multiplayer

[fierce cipher]

Oh? I kinda get it

[stark carbon]

one thing i dislike about eternal is how long it takes to complete a mission but it is what it is

[flint lichen]

same, titanfall 2's my favorite game for multiplayer because of how chill the northstar client players are, and the high skill ceiling

[flint lichen]

i love it, bring it on ill kill as many demons as i can, tag's got some long ones though

[stark carbon]

boring? damn man if you were a kid playing the campaign in 2016 you would understand me

[fierce cipher]

True, but I mostly just found that a problem in the Master Levels and DLCs.

The base game levels seem mostly fine in length, except for like Cultist Base and Taras Nabad

[flint lichen]

yeah i loved it a ton at the time

i was like 12 when i played it

[stark carbon]

didnt played yet the dlcs (part 1 and part 2 of that thing)

[fierce cipher]

Oh yeah Exultia also drags on way too long

[stark carbon]

W

[fierce cipher]

Final Sin is perfect length except for the awful slog Icon of Sin boss fight

[flint lichen]

wait can you swear here or not?

[fierce cipher]

Yes I don't really like Eternal's bosses in general ngl lol

[flint lichen]

maybe im confusing this for the halo server

[stark carbon]

u can i guess but dont say strong things

[fierce cipher]

Wait what. Didn't know there were anything against that.

Maybe I should edit

[stark carbon]

Do not discuss or promote mods that include hate speech, malicious content, or content that slanders/harasses users.
Do not discuss or promote mods featuring nude or sexually explicit material.
Do not discuss or promote mods featuring violent acts towards children.

[flint lichen]

i might just be confusing this for the halo server, which bans swearing, with the same franchise with a fun times scene with seargent johnson in the books

[stark carbon]

i mean ur cool i guess?

[fierce cipher]

Oh I just edited it just in case lol

[flint lichen]

ive always liked the doom bosses, 2016 felt more shoot it till it dies, eternal felt more complicated

davoth's really easy though

[stark carbon]

@elder meadowyo sorry for the ping but are we allowed to swear in this server? i dont mean to offend anyone of course

[fierce cipher]

Oh yeah I guess Arc Complex was too long too, but I always ballista boost punch swap to the bridge so I don't have to do the second half LMAO

[flint lichen]

pfft he just went offline right as you pinged him

[fierce cipher]

I liked Gladiator for Eternal, and that's about it

[flint lichen]

anyways is it just me or did 2016 get harder than eternal

[stark carbon]

in eternal if you get close to any enemy your health drops to almost zero (literally)

[fierce cipher]

DOOM Hunter was a pretty decent boss too

[stark carbon]

🔥

fire

[fierce cipher]

I find 2016 arenas harder than Eternal, but Eternal has harder boss fights

[flint lichen]

i just finished tag2 on nightmare, i boot up 2016 on nightmare, realise the ultrawide support is kinda mid, cry, then realize im sucking and having trouble with the first arena with just imps

[fierce cipher]

But most of the time 2016 arenas are too short before they start getting hard

[flint lichen]

am i just used to eternals gameplay or are they geniunely harder

[elder meadow]

I'm not a mod, but yeah, you can swear. The automod blocks slurs.
If you swear and a message blocks it, you'll know that means it's banned.

[fierce cipher]

2016's beginning is super rough, when you have no upgrades.

Definitely rougher than Eternal's beginning

[stark carbon]

oh ok ty

[flint lichen]

because videos like decino's on ultranightmare speak of 2016's imps being an s tier enemy, and eternals being like c or d

[elder meadow]

Example: "Bitch" was blocked for a long time.

[fierce cipher]

Also Foundry is an even bigger difficulty spike than Cultist Base

[flint lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/jesse-pinkman-jesse-pinkman-crying-jesse-pinkman-screaming-jesse-pinkman-andrea-jesse-crying-gif-25171987

dang

[stark carbon]

oh dam

the early game in 2016 is really slow but as you get close to the end you become extremely fast and kaboom pew pew

[elder meadow]

Lol yeah I get why it was blocked but that word is permanently ingrained in my vocabulary. Was a bit frustrating.

[stark carbon]

what if i say it

[flint lichen]

doesnt affect me too much, i dont swear besides from ass

[stark carbon]

Bitch (im safe boys)

[flint lichen]

which is in my last name

[fierce cipher]

I also think Argent D'Nur and VEGA Core are much harder final levels than Final Sin and Urdak, but that kinda gets balanced out by Eternal's Icon of Sin being much harder than Spider Mastermind.

[flint lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/well-done-jesse-yes-pinkman-yes-breaking-bad-gif-27528539

[fierce cipher]

Speaking of imps.

Advanced Research Complex and Lazarus Labs are probably the most BS levels in the game for imps.

They'll fuck you up all day in those levels LOL

[stark carbon]

VEGA is built different 🥶

[elder meadow]

2016's beginning is pretty hard if you're on Nightmare because Nightmare is balanced shitty.

[stark carbon]

1 hit and ur basically dead

[flint lichen]

it was so frustrating

[fierce cipher]

Because those levels are so cramped, and full of imps, so dodging imps on Advanced Research Complex and Lazarus Labs is nearly impossible and super luck based haha

[stark carbon]

the first level was quite hard on nightmare but damnnn i cannot imagine the rest

[flint lichen]

and how tanky they are is so annoying

mf, you should be dead after a shotgun shot

[fierce cipher]

They felt fragile to me, to Heavy Cannons, SSG, Gauss etc...

[flint lichen]

yeah, but im talkiung about early game

[fierce cipher]

But I don't understand why they can't be stunned when they're on walls

[flint lichen]

i havent even finished the first nightmare level

[fierce cipher]

Not even stun bombs will stop imps hanging on walls

[stark carbon]

imagine completing doom eternal on nightmare difficulty with a fucking Switch running at 30 fps (my friend did it)

i guess it is eternal if im not wrong

ye it was eternal

[fierce cipher]

Yeah the VEGA train battle on VEGA Central Processing has gotta be the hardest fight in the whole series.

Not including WADs/mods.

Like that shit is EVIL, and the Summoners are extremely hard to chase and find on that arena

[stark carbon]

these were fire

[flint lichen]

speaking of vega, holy damn that music is so good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5EceZACWpY
literally doom without the metal

[stark carbon]

god why does the corrector have to correct everything i say

[fierce cipher]

VEGA Central Processing was also my favorite level in DOOM and any video game in general for the longest time, until this past month.

[stark carbon]

BRO THATS FR EARGASM

[flint lichen]

there's also this part that has to be a reference to into sandy's city
https://youtu.be/9XYZXqOiNoM?t=428

[stark carbon]

when I heard it in the game i went crazy because it was so hard with the music louder than the game itself

[fierce cipher]

Yeah Mars Core tried to do the same type of electric beat during the "The Slayer has now entered the facility", but it sounded like a great value reattempt at VEGA Core

[flint lichen]

i think it was the synth mick used

this one feels really bassy

while the other one feels like its straining it's voice

[fierce cipher]

Argent D'Nur was my second favorite level I think

[flint lichen]

because the melody's kind of a bop

[stark carbon]

GOD WHY IS VEGA CORE SO GOOD

[flint lichen]

man doom 2016 has such a good ost, its a shame rip and tear and bfg division take up all the love

[fierce cipher]

Flesh and Metal, Skullhacker, VEGA Core, Harbinger, Damnation, and Hell Choirs are all masterpieces.

[flint lichen]

harbinger has to be my favorite doom track ever
https://youtu.be/b2YG8DX0ees?t=83

[fierce cipher]

Also I remember the Hell Guards and Spider Mastermind music slapping

[stark carbon]

almost every ost in 2016 is perfect

[flint lichen]

like man i cant turn my volume up enough!

[fierce cipher]

Super Gore Nest kinda sounds like Rip and Tear, but like not nearly as good for some reason

[stark carbon]

what is the rip and tear one

[fierce cipher]

Oh yeah Rust, Dust, and Guts from 2016 gotta be the rawest most brutal video game song ever made

[flint lichen]

bfg 10k is a way better rip and tear imo
https://youtu.be/WFqGIWAsbAQ

[fierce cipher]

Metal Hell from Eternal is kinda like Rust Dust and Guts, but it isn't the same:(

[stark carbon]

old doom ost inspiration?

[flint lichen]

i love metal hell, feels the most like eternals version of doom music

[fierce cipher]

Super Gore Nest

[flint lichen]

combining melody based metal and djent, its so good
https://youtu.be/9_XjMsYOFOI

[fierce cipher]

Nekravol also has the best aesthetics and atmosphere in the game and the most interesting world building and level design

Nekravol is so good in general

[flint lichen]

feels the most 2016 out of any of them

which is a huge plus, 2016 got the atmosphere perfect

[fierce cipher]

I think UAC Atlantica probably does.

Nekravol reminded me more of DOOM 64 I think

[flint lichen]

eternal is too varied for its own good

[fierce cipher]

But DOOM 64 also has perfect aesthetics and atmosphere so that's a good thing

[flint lichen]

uac atlantica is too blue to remind me of 2016

still love it though

[fierce cipher]

VEGA Core though

Also outside of Necropolis was very blue, near the end

[flint lichen]

those 2 didnt really feel that doom 2016 to me

they felt like their own, still awesome, thing

[fierce cipher]

Yeah Eternal just jumped from random idea to random idea to little cohesion or development

2016 felt natural and you were naturally progressing and adventuring through things

[flint lichen]

if it was a little longer and had better transitions, itd be awesome

i like all the enviroments, but they feel like they're from different games

[fierce cipher]

Which is something DOOM 3 did well too

[fierce cipher]

I didn't like the Sentinel stuff ngl

Like the Taras Nabad, World Spear, Exultia stuff aren't my thing at all

[flint lichen]

i personally did, they coincidentally had really good music too

i love how slow hulshut gets in world spear

feels like anger too big for speed

[fierce cipher]

I didn't even like the levels themselves that much either, the rest of Eternal had better levels

[flint lichen]

exultias a drag i agree

[fierce cipher]

Ironically it's the Hell part of Exultia that drags, and not the Sentinel part

[flint lichen]

one of my favorite parts in doom 2016 is when mick puts out that jacked up tape deck guitar
https://youtu.be/VYVFXYEm_Mw?t=70

[stark carbon]

crazy how music can change the whole game (no joke)

[fierce cipher]

Flesh and Metal is probably my all time favorite

Skullhacker has the GOAT riff though

[flint lichen]

im so mad how we dont get to hear it without anything over it, be it a low pass filter, drums, other things

skullhacker is like if the 264 bpm super gore nest beta worked

[flint lichen]

or well for a prolonged time

it would go so hard if it did

[fierce cipher]

Cultist Base is such a great song, though the level kinda drags

[flint lichen]

basically harbinger but more 2016 than eternal

[flint lichen]

oh thats where the sound effect for collecting a secret came from, i had no idea it was from a doom 2016 song

[fierce cipher]

I know Eternal's Battlemode plays part of BFG Division

[flint lichen]

cultist base makes me so mad there isnt a proper soundtrack for doom eternal, i get why, mick gordon didnt have enough time, the other guys were working with compressed music

but man if this had the same fidelity of doom eternal's soundtrack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvOo2OyL_Tg

[fierce cipher]

True, though Rip and Tear still is awesome, and BFG Division is pretty good too even if a bit repetitive

Atleast the in game version/rips of Rip and Tear is awesome, the OST version on the other hand....not so much

[stark carbon]

@fierce cipher @flint lichen how about you two make a tier list of all the doom games you have played and share your opinions? im curious

[flint lichen]

uh sure

[fierce cipher]

My tier list changes so frequently and so much all the time lol

[stark carbon]

just search on the internet and u will find it

[flint lichen]

1. eternal (including tag)
2. doom 2 (including mods(
3. 2016
4. doom 1

[stark carbon]

ohh doom 2

[stark carbon]

thats completely normal

[flint lichen]

doom 2 feels so timeless, while 2016 feels outclassed by eternal

[stark carbon]

i think mighty doom is the best doom game 😈

im joking but mighty doom is really good and cool

[flint lichen]

oh yeah i forgot to include mighty doom

[stark carbon]

for a mobile game it is indeed good

id cooks on every game

[fierce cipher]

But for now currently:

1. DOOM II (only because of WADs)
2. DOOM 64
3. DOOM 1993
4. DOOM 3: Resurrection of Evil
5. DOOM Eternal
6. DOOM 2016
7. DOOM 3 and the Lost Mission

[flint lichen]

i dont play it too much, on my phone if i play a games its usually pvz 2

man i really need to focus on other doom games besides final doom

[stark carbon]

what is the wads ur talking about

[fierce cipher]

I'm so sad how much 2016 dropped off this past month. 😦

Like 2016 being this low is an extremely recent thing for me haha

[stark carbon]

true man

[flint lichen]

its cool, but it gets outclassed by eternal which kinda lowers it

[stark carbon]

ur too cruel with it

giving it a top 6

[flint lichen]

personally id put them on the same place if i could

[stark carbon]

i mean u cant put it as the same tier as any another game

[flint lichen]

actually my number one is doom 2 rpg

[stark carbon]

is it just me or doom eternal menu ost is kinda good? (its a fucking menu song)

[fierce cipher]

I'd say both are on par with each other, Eternal only slightly wins because of the better feeling mechanics and movement.

But 2016's other aspects wins.

Also 2016 has SnapMaps

[flint lichen]

i prefer 2016's but yeah, i love the map30 in doom 2 callback

https://youtu.be/Pbh3ZYuTBDY
map 30's ost feels so unique, only a few other doom songs do this, really only just classicdoom

[fierce cipher]

It's just I don't think NuDoom's nearly as good as the classics in general anymore.

Which is funny because I used to prefer Nu Doom over Classic DOOM for a long time lol.

But 64 and Custom WADs seemed to have changed me.

[stark carbon]

btw what is WADs?

[flint lichen]

basically maps or map packs

[fierce cipher]

Mods

For the classic Dooms

[stark carbon]

oh ok

[flint lichen]

it can include other things, like for example if you're loading up a wad, you might need the original wad from doom 2, those kind of wads that serve as bases are usually reffered to as iwads iirc

pk3's also are mods

they're usually just sprite reworks

but in cases like brutal doom, they can do a lot of stuff

[stark carbon]

yoooo guys i need help with something so you guys have played the old Doom games right? then whats the name of the place where you just run in circles in a "small" area killing a big demon or it depends if you're playing with mods? i cant describe it well

[flint lichen]

huh????

[stark carbon]

i cant explain it right

[flint lichen]

the place? the strategy?

[stark carbon]

idk never played the old games

[flint lichen]

do you mean the cyber demon fight?

[stark carbon]

i guess thats it let me check

[flint lichen]

another one like this is this one
https://youtu.be/TZQc9Uf5eSE

[flint lichen]

the spider mastermind also is similar

[stark carbon]

no

[stark carbon]

no not that as well

i think it was the spider mastermind but wayyy bigger

[flint lichen]

do you know which classic doom game it is?

[stark carbon]

no ideia

[flint lichen]

1, 2, plutonia, tnt eviloution

oh dang

do you know which demon the one was

[stark carbon]

not sure but it was spider mastermind or the cyber blah blah

[flint lichen]

its either tnt or a mod, i dont remember something like that in 1 2 or plutonia

[stark carbon]

oh i think i found it
"Tower of Babel"

[flint lichen]

yeah that the cyber demon fight

[stark carbon]

it looks very similar to Tower of Babel

ok ty

is it the fight that u run in circles etc?

[flint lichen]

i mean thats a stratagey

[stark carbon]

ye

[flint lichen]

theres a few you can do

[stark carbon]

yeah after 100% eternal ima rush to the old games they are just too cool to not to be played

[flint lichen]

i mean you can play them in eternal rn

[stark carbon]

i have a backlog :D
not cool

oh wait nvm i got the wrong ideia

[flint lichen]

i also bought like half the franchise at once

[stark carbon]

i might buy everything

[flint lichen]

i do it with almost every game i play

i did it with halo, bought mcc, already half there, sonic, doom, dmc, half life

[stark carbon]

yo one question
i love halo ok?
i used to play in the 360
but is the master chief collection worth it? (my man i can pay it for fucking 10€ with steam discount)

i think it is too cheap for like 6/7 halo games

[flint lichen]

definitely, you got the best halo fps's besides infinite, id trade it out for halo 4, all with multiplayer and mod support

custom servers are really fun

[stark carbon]

i didnt played infinite yet is it good? i see bad things coming from it

[stark carbon]

halo 4 custom servers are really fun

i remember playing it

[flint lichen]

depends if you got a 343 bias or not

[stark carbon]

and yeah i do that was well

[flint lichen]

if you hate em blindly, you're only gonna see bad things

if you don't, well its my second favorite halo game

[stark carbon]

my backlog is really big rn because of that

[flint lichen]

right below odst

[stark carbon]

my father played it and enjoyed it as hell

[flint lichen]

if you're good at aiming, the generous aim assist even on mouse is gonna make it really easy

[stark carbon]

yes

[flint lichen]

like i was suprised, i topscored on my second game of halo infinite

[stark carbon]

i was addicted to fps games

[flint lichen]

i wasnt expecting that

and ive topscored on like a third of the games ive played of halo infinite

(unsubtle flex)

anyways im gonna go, getting bored, and any longer this will probably be too off topic to continue

[stark carbon]

lol i was gonna say that as well

need to go sleep

but hey man it was cool to talk with u and with the other one

ty and have a rest of a good night

[slate anchor]

WHY IS DOOM 2016 SO FUCKING HARD

ive died way too many times to the environment and i dont get how people say 2016 is easier than eternal in terms of combat

[stark carbon]

Play eternal

[slate anchor]

no

i wanna play 2016 because its kinda fun

[stark carbon]

Ok then

[stark carbon]

Continue doing that

[slate anchor]

but its unenjoyable because OF THE AMOUNT OF TIMES I DIE TO THE FUCKING ENVIRONMENT

[stark carbon]

Play the game till u get bored

[slate anchor]

ledges dont even work properly and enemies deal way too much damage on uv

[stark carbon]

Amazing bugs lol

[slate anchor]

checkpoint saving is messed up

[stark carbon]

The game is playable for me tho

[slate anchor]

how?

even when your at 50 hp you only get 3 per glory kill

meanwhile in doom eternal on nightmare its 20 hp no matter how high your hp is

[fierce cipher]

Yeah IMO even harder than Eternal, and I know some people here in this server were also just calling 2016 harder

[slate anchor]

yeah

i dont get the point why people say eternal is harder

exploration is much worse in 2016 and enemies deal way too much damage even on uv

lack of equipment and you have to complete a stupid rune trial and cant pick your own

[fierce cipher]

I think 2016 had better exploration in the levels/downtime.... unless you mean in the arena fights themselves.

[fierce cipher]

Fun fact: Hugo Martin himself thinks 2016 Nightmare is harder than Eternal Nightmare

[slate anchor]

though one thing i like about 2016

is the classic maps

kadingir sanctum is a goated mission

[fierce cipher]

Funny enough Kadingir Sanctum is probably my least favorite of the Hell missions

Argent D'Nur is probably my favorite

Though Argent D'Nur is very very hard hahaha

[slate anchor]

only reason i dont like it is because its the last mission

the necropolis is a short mission, but straightforward and secrets arent that obscure

i love the necropolis

[fierce cipher]

Do you not like last missions in general?

[slate anchor]

yeah

necropolis and titan's realm are the exceptions

[fierce cipher]

Why do you not like last missions?

[slate anchor]

idk

no more fun and ill have to start all over again which is hell for me

[fierce cipher]

It's not even fun to replay?

I often select Argent D'Nur from the mission select because it's just a fun level to replay hahaha

Anyway I am starting to think DOOM 2016 is my #1 DOOM game again.

My favorite in the series.

I just replayed Argent D'Nur on Ultra Violence and it was so fucking fun.

Argent D'Nur on Nightmare is super fun too, but very very hard.

[fierce cipher]

Wtf was I smoking.

2016 is still my GOAT lol.

1. DOOM 2016
2. DOOM II with WADs
3. DOOM 64
4. DOOM 1993
5. Final DOOM
6. DOOM Eternal
7. DOOM II without WADs
8. DOOM 3: Resurrection of Evil
9. DOOM 3: Lost Mission
10. DOOM 3

[frosty bluff]

I’ll chime in here for the second last map: From what I remember on my Nightmare playthrough, I felt more or less forced multiple times to use the BFG in encounters. They jumped the shark with that one a bit too much.

[stark carbon]

bro is really confused

[celest moon]

Yk something I realized with each doom game is

Doom 1, 2, 64 is like a fps game

Doom 3 went a survival horror route

In doom 2016 demons look super fucking demonic

And in doom eternal they are a little less terrifying

[stark carbon]

bro said everything

doom 3 may look weird to someone who has never played it but i hear it's good because i have friends who played it and it looks cool, kind of like dead space.

[wispy hedge]

I personally found it a waste of my time tbh

It felt very alienated from the series imo

[maiden urchin]

how Doom 3 is a survival horror, there's abundance of resources

[snow heron]

Doom 3’s pretty fun. Very different from the other games but still fun

[stark carbon]

@elder meadow
2016 SPOILERS: ||could you explain the final cutscene of doom 2016 where samuel takes the crucible and then disappears?||
EXPLANATION MADE BY CHAT GPT:
||Now, regarding the final cutscene of Doom 2016: At the end of the game, after the Doom Slayer has defeated the Spider Mastermind, he returns to Mars. Samuel Hayden then takes the Crucible, which is a powerful artifact that the Slayer had retrieved from Hell. Samuel uses it to disable the Doom Slayer, showing that his intentions may not be entirely aligned with the Slayer's mission to destroy all demonic forces. Samuel explains that with the Crucible, which also functions as a source of unlimited energy, he can help solve Earth's energy crisis. However, he also indicates that he cannot allow the Doom Slayer to interfere with his plans. After saying this, Samuel teleports the Doom Slayer away to an unknown location, hinting at further adventures (or conflicts) in future games. This scene sets up the storyline for Doom Eternal, the sequel to Doom 2016.||||

is this correct?

[fierce cipher]

What mean lol

[elder meadow]

ChatGPT is bullshit. I encourage you to not use it for these purposes. It just fed you misinformation.

Hayden steals away the Crucible because he sees it as the only way to continue the manufacturing of Argent Energy, which Hayden and the UAC see as the only thing that can keep Earth's energy economy afloat. Hayden is 100% aligned with the Slayer's goals regarding fighting Hell; but he also is a narcissist and depends on situations that prop him up as a hero.

[smoky valve]

why... would you use ai ...

[elder meadow]

Hence the Argent operation. Hayden needs to feel in control, he needs to be Earth's savior, and the Slayer ultimately opposes his authoritative bullshit. And he crushed the filters, so... Hayden's gonna be pissed.

The two of them may be hesitant allies at times, but overall Hayden and the Slayer are ideologically opposed. Hayden is an oppressor. He's Elon Musk on robo-steroids. The Slayer is a revolutionary.

[stark carbon]

alr sir

[stark carbon]

just to see what would it say

[winter stream]

Well, how bad Hayden really was comes down to how desperate the energy crisis really was.

[elder meadow]

I'm sure ChatGPT has its fun little uses and stuff but AI in general is unreliable bullshit. If you want a reliable source, you can check the guide in my profile.

It's only good at constructing shit that seems coherent. In reality it is not.

[elder meadow]

The energy crisis was very desperate, but Hayden was undoubtedly the villain of the story, regardless of what he thinks.

His solution was blatantly designed to only be accessible through him. Look at the UAC's policies - seven day work week, and a secret police routinely disappears staff who act out of line. He had the place operating like a cult.

Considering his true identity as ||an immortal demigod machine,|| it only makes sense how he runs the place. He's an evil person who exploits human labor and does not value human life.

[celest moon]

Does anything happen in doom 2016 after I get all the collectables

[celest moon]

Doom 3 is basically first person dead space

[smoky valve]

but he's not the villain of the story

he only does what he does because there is no choice 😡

[elder meadow]

Doom 3's amazing, yeah, and nowadays I'd consider it tied with 2016.

[winter stream]

I guess it's a good thing demons invaded earth to reduce the human population or else doomguy would've been the cause of humanity's downfall himself

[celest moon]

I think all doom games are connected

[elder meadow]

If demons stopped being a thing he'd probably fucking rip apart people like Hayden.

[wispy hedge]

I feel like he’s more of an Anti-hero than straight up villain

Because do note Olivia was the true villain here

Because do remember, he does help Slayer

[elder meadow]

The modern Doom games equate Hell's evil with Hayden's evil with Heaven's evil. It's authoritarianism and oppression. Capitalism and bureaucracy is a primordial evil older than humanity itself - it began with the Maykrs.

[celest moon]

Tf even happened to olivia

[stark carbon]

achievement

[smoky valve]

turned into the spider mastermind (moreso merged with it) and eventually died to the hands of the slayer at the end of 2016

[stark carbon]

but no i guess?

[elder meadow]

Olivia merged with the Aranea Imperatrix to become the Spider Mastermind, then took a BFG shot to the jaw.

[winter stream]

You gave her a lobotomy with a bfg

[celest moon]

Well I'm on switch so that's kinda pointless but I can get it on my ps4

[stark carbon]

oh i didnt know about it

[stark carbon]

no difference

[elder meadow]

I wouldn't even call Olivia a true villain. She's a victim who was manipulated by Davoth/Imperatrix, her chronic pain exploited and a way out offered to her by Hell.
When you consider all the awful shit happening in 2016, almost all of it leads back to Hayden's machinations, even when ignoring the lore Eternal has.

[wispy hedge]

GAME SPOILER: ||You killed her.||

[stark carbon]

WOWWW no way no way!!!!

bro is right tho

[smoky valve]

especially when you consider she was being pressured by a 9 ft tall authoritative cyborg that crunched out every drop of sweat in their operations

hell would be a better alternative atp

[elder meadow]

Yeah.

[winter stream]

Didn't she choose to endure the pain tho

[celest moon]

Ik cuz I've beat the game on ps4 but I honestly wasn't sure how tf the spider mastermind came from because I had to pee when the cut scene started

[elder meadow]

To Olivia, she was already in Hell.

[wispy hedge]

But then again, Hayden is trying to contain the evil away from the UAC for the better

This is also why Slayer destroys those energy generators

[elder meadow]

Yes. Olivia eschewed any pain medications as she feared it would cloud her mind and keep her from her research.

[smoky valve]

she merged with the imperatrix as a way out of pain + revenge against the arc

[elder meadow]

Yeah, but it's a mess he created, is the thing.

[celest moon]

But wtf happened to the uac in doom eternal they went full on rouge

[smoky valve]

corrupted by olivia

[wispy hedge]

She is a demon herself and transformed

[smoky valve]

turned into a cult, and as a result we can see them both as uac zombies in 2016 and uac soldiers in eternal

[wispy hedge]

Of what remained of her

[celest moon]

Tbh I don't really pay attention to lore I just kill literally everything

[smoky valve]

she wasnt fully corrupted by then. yes she was being clouded by the prospect of gifts from hell but she was still sane, so to speak. she knew what she was doing

[elder meadow]

Okay, so, to recap: In 2016, the Cultist Division is a Hell cult Olivia founded. Offscreen she also had communications with Deag Ranak, who used their portal bullshit to get to Mars then travelled to Earth and built up forces in the Antarctic.
By the time Eternal happens, the UAC's Earth branches have been consumed by the Cultist Division, which now controls the majority of the UAC. The only parts of the UAC that aren't under Cultist control are in space, like the base we explore in the Mars Core level in Eternal.

Keep in mind, 13-14 years happen on Earth in between 2016 and Eternal. That's a lot of time for the UAC to get gutted by the Cultists in the middle of a Hell invasion.

[smoky valve]

high risk high reward I suppose

[celest moon]

I do remember when I bought doom eternal note I had looked up nothing of the game prior to not see spoilers and damn I was kinda surprised seeing the shotgun grenade mod and tactical scope in doom eternal because they are different from doom 2016

[smoky valve]

when the rest of earth is in an energy crisis who wouldnt go for energy from literal hell

[elder meadow]

There are arguably implications Hayden could've found alternative solutions to the energy crisis and chose not to because the Argent operation was good enough.

[smoky valve]

tact scope is a lot better, shotgun grenade is meh compared to 2016's splash damage for early game

[smoky valve]

we wouldnt have 2 awesome games if it wasnt for that so 🤷

[wispy hedge]

Which that proves me point, where Hayden is simply trying to protect the UAC and the world away from Hell’s dimension since she knew what she was doing

[celest moon]

Something I just realized is that the slayer using the bezerk power up is basically the slayer turning into lore accurate slayer

[smoky valve]

hayden was taking a big risk though, as mono just said

he was a really overconfident brat and even if he knew what he was doing, he was endangering every single employee

[celest moon]

Guys who would win the doom slayer or the dragonborn from skyrim

[elder meadow]

And again, one has to wonder: did Hayden take this risk out of the goodness of his heart?
Or did he take that risk because it would make him a hero in the eyes of humanity?

[wispy hedge]

I know he was, and did it work out in the end? Kinda but not really, his main goal was to take down Olivia with the help of Slayer, then eventually he became his own soldier on earth afterward once he had the crucible

[celest moon]

I think kinda both

Anyways bye chat

[elder meadow]

I've always seen the man as your typical rich CEO. Feigns good intentions for the sake of capital, money, and narcissism.

This is why I often compare him to Elon Musk - Hayden is obsessed with his own image, and his actions are fueled by this obsession, rather than good intentions as he claims.

[winter stream]

I'd say the latter, but the outcome matters more than the intentions behind it. The real problem is his ineptitude in overseeing Olivia's operations

[elder meadow]

The outcome was horrible, to be fair. Hundreds of thousands died.

[wispy hedge]

Literally almost everyone died, as we don’t see any remaining survivors that were not zombified

[elder meadow]

And the existence of Argent-Synthesis in Eternal proves that he didn't have to keep the operation going like this. There were ways for him to provide consistent energy to Earth without consistently exploiting Hell's resources.

He just did not pursue them.

[wispy hedge]

Which the only one that lived was Slayer considering he was put in the tomb/||machine||

[winter stream]

Yeah, because of his ineptitude in oversight

It's kinda analogous to nuclear power in a way. It's the best solution for producing a lot of energy without the air pollution, but it can go horribly wrong if being managed by incompetent people.

[wispy hedge]

Then again

"I am not the villian of this story. I do what I do, because there's no other choice."

There may have no been a choice back then, because it was a dire situation before Eternal and the end of 2016 mind you

Argent-Synthesis may have not been discovered, and only the other Argent Energy was known at the time

[fierce cipher]

Damn, Kadingir Sanctum is kinda overrated, it's gotta be the weakest Hell mission in 2016 IMO.

I think Necropolis is my favorite.

[wispy hedge]

I like Necropolis as well

Plus the boss too

Actually challenging compared to CD and SD/SM

[elder meadow]

necropolis is my favorite hell level too

[fierce cipher]

I love Hell Guards

[fierce cipher]

I find CD and SM kinda challenging if you don't spam Siege mode.

[wispy hedge]

About that

[fierce cipher]

But I love all of 2016's bosses. They're probably the only FPS bosses that I liked along with Eternal's Gladiator.

[wispy hedge]

I legit only use rocket and SSG on CD

I think it’s because I knew the attack patterns as they were REALLY easy to figure out and predict?

[fierce cipher]

But I didn't really like Eternal's bosses outside of Gladiator LOL.

[wispy hedge]

Gladiator was great, IOS made me actually take a mental break after dying a few times

[fierce cipher]

Cyberdemon mostly predictable, but his charge up beam , he would always shift directions and hit me LOL.

Spider Mastermind will throw a lot of projectiles, spikes, and an electric floor and some explosions and does a charging lunging melee attack. As well as one pattern you have to crouch for .

The only part of the game where crouching is useful LMAO

[wispy hedge]

It was kinda easy to avoid the RG too, I do admit it’s BS in some situations though

[wispy hedge]

I found the lasers kinda stressful but everything else wasn’t that bad, not even the floor

[fierce cipher]

I never could get it, he always shifted direction to me, no matter what I did.

[fierce cipher]

Not too bad for the most part, but fun and engaging and cool nonetheless

[fierce cipher]

Icon of Sin was such a bland slog

[wispy hedge]

When the laser is heading towards you, go the alternate direction as the laser shifts direction too

I don’t know how to properly explain it, but you can trains yourself how to avoid it easily

[fierce cipher]

I try that and he still gets me somehow

He like shifts directions again

[fierce cipher]

I almost want to say that it's better than DOOM II's, but atleast DOOM II's doesn't last six trillion years so IDK

[elder meadow]

I love the Icon's fight personally.

[fierce cipher]

He just feels like shooting a giant extremely bullet spongey wall with infinite hordes of enemies.

Doesn't really feel like a boss to me. Just tedious

Also I don't really like how he looks ngl lol

[smoky valve]

cyberdemon fight is probably my favourite

[fierce cipher]

He's fucking awesome, though I prefer the Hell Guards

[wispy hedge]

I argue against this

IOS fight is better in Eternal than 2’s as the latter isn’t really a fight at all

3 rockets while on the platform and it’s dead

Is that really a challenge? First time yeah sure

But once you know the pattern it gets repetitive

IOS in Eternal? ACTUALLY CHALLENGING

I legit said I had to take a mental break after dying a few times because WOW is it actually DIFFICULT

Doom Eternal is what I would imagine a Doom game was when I was like 8

Well, in terms of difficulty

[stark carbon]

thats a fun level tho

[fierce cipher]

Now don't get me wrong....

...I love all of 2016's Hell levels....

It's just Kadingir Sanctum is my least favorite of them

[stark carbon]

damn

[fierce cipher]

I'd say Necropolis>Argent D'Nur>Titan's Realm>Kadingir Sanctum

[stark carbon]

necropolis is built different

[elder meadow]

2016's Hell levels are mid.

[stark carbon]

real

[elder meadow]

All of 'em, other than maybe Argent D'Nur.

[fierce cipher]

Yes, the second part where you're outside is awesome, and the Hell Guards fight are godlike

[elder meadow]

I don't really care for the rocky barren wasteland aesthetic. Hell is much more interesting to me when depicted as a lived-in place with its own geography and customs, albeit alien - Eternal does this a lot better IMO. The Nekravol, Blood Swamps, and Immora levels all rock.

[fierce cipher]

I didn't like Eternal's Hell missions except for Nekravol Part 1 and 2.

Exultia's Hell, Immora, and Blood Swamps are kinda lame

Necropolis second half was quite lived in and alien, the outside courtyard area, and the giant skeleton floating around and stuff

Also the Hell arena on the Cyberdemon second phase

And Argent D'Nur with the statues and blood pools and incredible skybox

[stark carbon]

tbh the game is good

[fierce cipher]

Which one

[stark carbon]

any game

any doom game

[fierce cipher]

True.

Except TNT Evilution and the Master Levels for DOOM II

[stark carbon]

"True."
ur a cacodemon

[elder meadow]

I will give Argent D'Nur credit for this.

[stark carbon]

cacodemon design is fire

[fierce cipher]

I'm a masochist Cacodemon, I like being killed by Doomguy over and over

[elder meadow]

The other ones, eh. Not my thing.

[fierce cipher]

I replayed Necropolis yesterday and went I go outside to the extremely blue courtyard with all the chains, abstract floating structures and weird shit in the background and the giant leviathan skeleton, I was like "holy fucking shit that's cool"

Also all the hanging Baron of Hell corpses

[fierce cipher]

Is it your favorite too?

[stark carbon]

i dont have a favorite one but i like it ye

[fierce cipher]

Oh yeah and the Icon of the Sin skull just hanging there.

[fierce cipher]

True. I can't really pick between Necropolis or Argent D'Nur as my favorite, but Hell Guards boss fight might make me prefer Necropolis overall.

As fun and cool as the Spider Mastermind is.

[elder meadow]

I feel she's the best fight in the game personally.

S: Spider Mastermind, Icon of Sin, Davoth
A: Cyberdemon, Maledict, Gladiator
B: Sabaoth, Khan Maykr, Guardian
C: Hell Guards, Seraphim, Mightiest Warrior
D: Vagary, Hell Hunters, Trial of Maligog

[stark carbon]

cyberdemon is really cool too
the entrance, the fight, the finisher

bros very big

[elder meadow]

Definitely a good fight - if they had to only give one monster the final canon "Cyberdemon" title this one was a good pick.

[fierce cipher]

S: Hell Guards, Cyberdemon, Spider Mastermind
A: Gladiator
B: Guardian
C: IDK pretty much every DOOM 3 boss I guess
D: Samur Maykr
F: Icon of Sin, Trial of Maligog, and Dork Lord

F-: Khan Maykr

Khan Maykr is just... the easiest and lamest boss ever or something lol

[fierce cipher]

Well 1993 Spider Mastermind with the BFG is, but still

[fierce cipher]

Shit I forgot the DOOM Hunters, they'd probably be at B tier

[stark carbon]

dork lord or dark lord?

dont know who that is

[fierce cipher]

He's the Dork Lord

[smoky valve]

final boss of the 2nd dlc

[stark carbon]

oh thats why i dont know it

[smoky valve]

critically acclaimed rival to the slayer

(not so much)

[stark carbon]

how much time does dlcs take to complete?

both

[smoky valve]

depends but Id say a couple hours each

[fierce cipher]

IDK maybe 6 hours combined for both

[smoky valve]

if u try to 100%

[stark carbon]

of course

[fierce cipher]

4-6 hours probs

[stark carbon]

did with 2016
im gonna do it with eternal

[fierce cipher]

Tbh I never kept track lol

[stark carbon]

27+7+5 hours = 100%

[fierce cipher]

UAC Atlantica Facility (first mission of TAG 1) has very major 2016 vibes and aesthetic style

[fierce cipher]

Have u 100%ed the Master Levels and Horde mode though?

[stark carbon]

what game

[fierce cipher]

Eternal's the only one with those

[stark carbon]

im not doing the master levels and horde mode for now

[fierce cipher]

Well I guess there's a DOOM II Master Levels, but Eternal's the only one with Horde mode

[stark carbon]

im focusing in the story and dlcs

[fierce cipher]

Though I didn't really like Horde mode that much tbh.

The PC mods of horde mode look a lot better

[stark carbon]

and guys i need some help
i want to buy the entire doom franchise from id Software
theres a "Doom Classic Complete" bundle that people say is worth it but others mention that doom 3 BFG Edition includes doom 1, 2, and 3, etc
whats the best way to buy every doom game on Steam?

[elder meadow]

Get that one.

[stark carbon]

the bundle or doom 3 bfg

[elder meadow]

The bundle.

The modern Doom 3 port has the original games but they aren't in the most ideal state. Doom 1 and 2's modern ports are the best official way to play them, and I would recommend them for your first time playthrough before you seek out source ports.

[stark carbon]

do I get every game or do I need to buy a game outside the bundle?

[stark carbon]

alr

[elder meadow]

Your full list of games is Doom 1, Doom 2, Doom 64, Doom 3, Doom 2016, and Doom Eternal.

[stark carbon]

what games do i get* from that bundle im still confused

[wispy hedge]

It gives you all of that

[elder meadow]

Check the contents of the bundle, they will tell you.

[wispy hedge]

Plus including a few bonus

[stark carbon]

ohh it really gives the rest that i need

[wispy hedge]

Such as the expansion WADs for Doom 2 which are TNT: Evilution and Plutonia, Doom 3 BFG Edition, and I think Doom Eternal’s Deluxe edition

[elder meadow]

You may want to consider doing some research regarding Doom 3. Some people prefer the original version over the BFG Edition - it depends on personal preference.

[stark carbon]

btw do all the games have achievements?

[wispy hedge]

Only 2016 and Eternal

[stark carbon]

could u tell me what changes between both versions? i can go to reddit so i dont bother u

[cold root]

Doom 3 BFG does

[stark carbon]

oh thats nice

[wispy hedge]

Ah I never played BFG Edition on PC as I only played the original

[stark carbon]

the original has achievements as well

[wispy hedge]

Are you talking about the Steam versions?

[stark carbon]

ye

[cold root]

BFG Edition is way easier
much more ammo to the point that you basically never run out, armor-mounted flashlight instead of a separate one you have to change weapons with, removed enemies in most of the levels, removed section in ROE

[wispy hedge]

Doom 3 original does not have achievements I think

[elder meadow]

The biggest change is the flashlight. Doom 3 is meant to be action-horror rather than more fast paced like the modern games. The original release had lots of dark lighting, and the flashlight was an equippable "weapon," meaning you had to choose on-the-fly between shooting demons and being able to properly see your surroundings. This was an intentional design decision to increase tension in-game.
This was removed in BFG Edition due to criticism and replaced with a mounted toggle-able chest-light which is separate from weapons.

[fierce cipher]

Btw don't play DOOM II Master Levels. 💀

[elder meadow]

Other changes: Way more ammo, like too much ammo, a section cut from Resurrection of Evil, some removed enemies, an easier Maledict boss fight, and saves. OG Doom 3 uses quicksaves like the classic games; BFG Edition instead forces checkpoints.

[wispy hedge]

Good solid advice, they are just

[cold root]

||I wonder how much backlash I would get from Classic Doom fans for saying I like Doom 3 more than the Classics||

[wispy hedge]

[elder meadow]

I personally prefer the original game, as it's a more effective horror game which is simply what Doom 3 is. BFG Edition isn't a bad way to play it, but IMO they made some weird choices that detract from its identity in an attempt to appease people who never liked it to begin with.

[cold root]

I see some people saying the changes in the BFG Edition were made to make it faster and more like Classic Doom

[fierce cipher]

I went through a phase where I liked Resurrection of Evil more than the regular DOOM 1993 and DOOM II campaigns, but never for over WADs/mods for it

[elder meadow]

That's the intent, but I don't think it comes off well. The original can still be a fast-paced game when you play it like one.

[stark carbon]

for the best experience even if its harder which version should i play? (i really dontt care about difficulty im good at fps games)

[cold root]

og Doom 3

[stark carbon]

i can play bfg after the original

[cold root]

let's be honest: everyone agrees that Doom 3 is extremely easy even on veteran

[wispy hedge]

I mean you are entitled to your opinion like how I see Doom 3 as a waste imo

[fierce cipher]

Isn't Nightmare have you always get to 20 health? Haven't played that difficulty, but that sounds pretty hard lol

[cold root]

trust me, it's not as hard as you might think

[fierce cipher]

It's weird I don't really like the main DOOM 3 campaign, but I like Resurrection of Evil

[cold root]

avoiding enemy attacks is easy and you get the Soul Cube from the start

[maiden urchin]

good luck with shotgunners

[cold root]

I like ROE more than base Doom 3 too

[fierce cipher]

And Chaingunnners and those charging whip guys

[stark carbon]

is that a expansion?

[fierce cipher]

It's way better

[cold root]

though I think Lost Mission is the best Doom 3 campaign. it's very fast-paced and full of action

[fierce cipher]

Yes, for DOOM 3

[elder meadow]

Play the original first.

As in, before you touch BFG Edition.

[wispy hedge]

I did do this, and I think I was so used to Doom 1 and 2 that I actually didn’t get scared at all

[fierce cipher]

It has the best Hell sections in DOOM 3, I'll say that

[stark carbon]

before i go to 3 of course i will play the franchise in order after playing eternal/dlcs/100%

[wispy hedge]

Yes

[fierce cipher]

DOOM 3 has the best depiction of Hell in the series in general

[elder meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1214741799026036827/1233117653875298427/image.png?ex=662bedce&is=662a9c4e&hm=86858f7e88187bc7c515d1ab91e61aef234e8ccdc8e5e1185f5c097beccede68&
Generally how I feel, though SIGIL and SIGIL II are fanmade.

[stark carbon]

cool tier list

[cold root]

I like a lot of the Doom 3 demon designs
Imp, Cacodemon, Hell Knight, plus some of the new enemies like Maggot, the spiders and Wraith

the Revenant has translucent skin, lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465235452148842518/1233118148971069582/Imp.png?ex=662bee44&is=662a9cc4&hm=7684fe3d42ea195369df07c108030d5c7e605f156c13b7108a2f913a678612df&

[fierce cipher]

Currently I'd say:

1. DOOM 2016
2. DOOM II (those Custom WADs are too GOATed)
3. DOOM 64
4. DOOM Eternal
5. DOOM 1993
6. DOOM 3: Resurrection of Evil
7. DOOM 3
8. DOOM 3: Lost Mission

Not sure where I'd rank SIGIL, Plutonia, and The Ancient Gods right now

[cold root]

would you have put Doom II in the bottom part of the list if only counting the vanilla game?

[fierce cipher]

My favorite are the Bruisers.

Bruisers are top 5 demons in the whole series

[elder meadow]

Would've done deranged things to get Bruisers as Super Heavy demons in Eternal.

[fierce cipher]

Hmm. This is an interesting topic, but no I don't think so.

It'd still be above DOOM 3 I think

[stark carbon]

im sure that if you could put multiple games in a tier you would do it wouldn't you?

[cold root]

Serious Sam Werebull

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465235452148842518/1233118814305255475/Pinky_Demon.png?ex=662beee3&is=662a9d63&hm=0ec0e91258ea4f5f36d6d6af8c402094adc530eb6a1be7fe2bc25eeb859c3b0b&

[fierce cipher]

Wdym?

[stark carbon]

i got the wrong ideia i guess

[elder meadow]

Oh right. @stark carbon If you give a shit about Doom's story, look up and read Doom, Doom II, and Doom 64's manuals before playing each game.

Their prologues are not in-game but told through text in the manuals.

[stark carbon]

of course i give a shit
im loving the lore and the games

[fierce cipher]

And I mean DOOM II would also be above Resurrection of Evil too

[stark carbon]

where do i read the manuals before i play them?
is it on menu or outside the game?

[elder meadow]

You'll have to Google them.

They are widely accessible.

[stark carbon]

oh ok

np

[fierce cipher]

Like different game series?

[stark carbon]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/122038-high-quality-scan-pdf-of-the-doom-manual/
is this the manual?

if i could send screenshots

i dont like to send links

[fierce cipher]

But all DOOMs are gud

[cold root]

my favourite new Doom 3 enemy is probably the Maggot
it looks cool. 2 heads, 5 different limbs and knives on its back

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465235452148842518/1233119203985199104/Maggot.png?ex=662bef40&is=662a9dc0&hm=2e47c43c892607e5891ba7b3bb24b1faf7e1195b38d1c89c51035bae27071e9b&

[stark carbon]

real (only played 2016 and eternal 💀 )

[cold root]

if there's ONE Doom 3 enemy that you would want to bring back for nuDoom, which one it would be?

[elder meadow]

Bruiser

[fierce cipher]

The D3 Cyberdemon.

Nah just kidding

Ditto on Bruiser.

Can't think of anything else right now

[cold root]

if you think about it, Doom 3 already did something Eternal does with some of its enemies: an enemy that can only be damaged with a specific weapon
the Cyberdemon can only be harmed with the soul cube

[fierce cipher]

Sidenote: Doom 3 has one of my favorite Mancubus designs.

Perfect hybrid of Eldritch horror and the classic Mancubus

[cold root]

the best modern Hell Knight design is none other than the original Doom 3 one

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465235452148842518/1233121396113276938/Hell_Knight.png?ex=662bf14b&is=662a9fcb&hm=d5065d0bcd8eaf0bb646ca2e9f616aac8ab8a0613e25ec31be69eaa13a924c3f&

[fierce cipher]

He's not just the best modern Hell Knight. He's the best Hell Knight in general

2016 would be the second best Hell Knight I'd say

[cold root]

something funny: I sent my transparent Doom 3 enemy pictures to a friend of mine and he said he's surprised that they look a lot worse than he remembered

[fierce cipher]

DOOM 3 Hell Knight is so good, that Eternal and especially 2016 took major inspiration from him

[cold root]

I took the pics on the max graphics settings btw

[stark carbon]

i just downloaded high quality manuals of the three games you mentioned @elder meadow
ty so much

ima focus now on eternal

[elder meadow]

No problem.

[fierce cipher]

Even the Hell Knights and Bruisers?

[cold root]

yes

[cold root]

the Hell Knight went from being just a weaker palette swap of the Baron to a more unique enemy with his own design and I like it

[fierce cipher]

Whack. Those are goated

[fierce cipher]

Indeed. Also Baron even got more developed design since 2016

[cold root]

he says they look worse from the model quality perspective, not their design

[fierce cipher]

Oooooooh

[elder meadow]

its because light on pictures is broken

[fierce cipher]

If he saw them in game or on video he probably wouldn't think so.

[cold root]

I brightened the test level I used because they look way too dark and barely visible otherwise

I mean look at the Imp without the changed lighting. dark as fuck

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/216692479531941889/1012760367010684978/shot00077-PhotoRoom.png?ex=662bd617&is=662a8497&hm=8a3389fe7f0ce83078ae93e5357d014f121bfea8edb96fb52f9b46b05ea72831&

[fierce cipher]

That reminds me if you play DOOM 2016 on the classic maps, the enemies, guns, and even Doomguy himself looks terrible because of the broken terrible lighting lol

[cold root]

and then compare it to this. looks better imo because he's more visible

[elder meadow]

idk which looks better

[fierce cipher]

Btw, even more than WADs and 64?

[cold root]

I never played any custom wads
I like 64 more than Ultimate and II, but still not as much as 3

[fierce cipher]

Yoooo....based on the 64 over Ultimate and II...as far as main games, no mods are concerned.

I like 64 significantly more than 1993 and II.

[cold root]

someone told me that when people say they like Classic Doom a lot, they refer to all those custom maps instead of the vanilla levels

[elder meadow]

actually same lol

[fierce cipher]

People like the vanilla maps a lot too, but custom maps are waaaay better

But Episode 1 of 1993 is generally seen as a classic and a masterpiece and very nostalgic by many

Unfortunately though, none of the other episodes are anywhere near as good as Episode 1.

Episode 3 and 4 are straight up kinda....mid

[cold root]

from the vanilla perspective, Doom II is more diverse with the enemy types but... Doom 1 has the better level design?

[elder meadow]

for me the most nostalgic levels are maps 1 - 9 of doom 2, i played them alot as a kid

[cold root]

gonna be honest, when I talk about Doom, I mostly like talking about 2016 and Eternal
I like Doom 3 too but not as much, and I'm simply not that interested in Classic Doom

I think the Classic Doom games are good and fun, but there's no denying that the level design is sometimes really confusing and the games are showing their age

are the Master Levels for Doom II really as bad as people say they are? I'm interested in playing them but only because I want to finish every official Doom game

[elder meadow]

i dont even know what those master levels are

[fierce cipher]

I'm mostly just interested in 64 and Custom WADs as far as Classic DOOM is concerned.

Episode 1 of 1993 is great, Episode 2 is pretty good, Episode 3 is bad, and Episode 4 is.... just okay

[fierce cipher]

People often say 1993 has better levels design and consistency, but I don't really see it.

E3 and E4 are lackluster, E2 is kinda a slog at times, and DOOM II's city maps aren't nearly as bad as people say, except for like 2 or 3 of them.

I think overall DOOM II has significantly more interesting levels and significantly higher peaks.

[stark carbon]

why is cacodemon so cute in eternal

https://tenor.com/view/stimming-oomfie-doomfie-cacodemon-gif-22574081

[fierce cipher]

I like 1993/DOOM II Cacos the most.

[stark carbon]

both cute on god

[fierce cipher]

Probably didn't expect that because of my pfp

[stark carbon]

man i just want to play the whole franchise and enjoy it

[fierce cipher]

Nice. That's DOOM II Pain Elemental and 1993/II Caco in that GIF

[stark carbon]

bro knows everything

[fierce cipher]

I Am VEGA after all

[stark carbon]

no ur cacodemon

btw @fierce cipher

what is the name of the last mission of eternal just to know

[snow heron]

Final Sin

[stark carbon]

oh man im already ending the game really

:(

[fierce cipher]

I can't be CacoVEGA?

[fierce cipher]

Do u know which Caco is my pfp?

[stark carbon]

2016?

[stark carbon]

yes

@elder meadow

#doom-eternal

[fierce cipher]

Nope

[fierce cipher]

It's the Eternal Cacodemon

[stark carbon]

it doesnt like

nvm

it is

[fierce cipher]

The perfect Eternal expression ain't it?

[stark carbon]

CacoPet
go #doom-eternal

[fossil island]

#doom-eternal

[stark carbon]

yes

[wispy hedge]

We love Eternal Caco

[fierce cipher]

What do y'all think of D3 Caco?

[cold root]

reminds me of the Octabrain from Duke Nukem

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465236787850248202/1233510648776884224/20240122122539.png?ex=662d5bd0&is=662c0a50&hm=91e3016669998ae66546537ee22030d140272dc0905d643db45a9c88b79100f0&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465236787850248202/1233511156191199272/latest_96.png?ex=662d5c49&is=662c0ac9&hm=716932587f78050210b4249c704e348175cbefc0717f35b9ecbcdcf991aa0f06&

[opal plaza]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1117835783068450888/1233522444137009223/2024042622545501-CF035A1DEF1D6DADE285B7ACA9873642.mp4?ex=662d66cc&is=662c154c&hm=badd7865098df936da16f1bfd2bba52c48d425e6594798295bfaf120f4d3bf9f&
it's supposted to run animation, right?

[wispy hedge]

I mean, it's fine and looks somewhat recognizable but it looks way too much like an alien rather than demon

[winter stream]

The chainsaw can still do an attack even if it doesn't connect the hit properly for a synced animation

[wispy hedge]

yeah that's a bug

but hey, efficiency though without that animation

that's more of a bonus for you

[peak meteor]

true

[peak meteor]

that can also happen if you try to chainsaw an imp thats on a wall

[fierce cipher]

Damn they really do look alike

[stark carbon]

wth is this?

cool design tho

[fierce cipher]

Also when Revenants fly in place shooting missiles

[night osprey]

I need people to play doom 2016 multiplayer

[spice cedar]

You're on XBox right now

[night osprey]

yeah

[spice cedar]

I think you might be cooked since there's really nobody on 2016 XBox multiplayer

[night osprey]

idk if their old clips but I've seen people posting clips on the xbox club of them playing multiplayer

might be private servers tho

[elder meadow]

yeah it does that sometimes i have no idea why i discovered it today in my nightmare run

[elder meadow]

its a hard no for me

[fierce cipher]

I hate the D3 Caco. The worst kind of abomination

[modern perch]

hi

no one plays doom 2016 multiplayer deathmatch?

[elder meadow]

No :(

I wanna play so badly

[modern perch]

bots are good

but i can't unlock weapons

[manic jacinth]

im at foundry

and on my map theres a wall blocking where its telling me to go

[vivid rapids]

there's some guy named Elon Musk that magically appears anytime you get a public lobby going in 2016

on PC anyway

[storm acorn]

unpopular opinion: i prefer the doom 2016 praetor suit over the eternal
i also prefer the 2016 mancubus over the eternal mancubus

[winter stream]

Same. For both

[vivid rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-guy-doom-slayer-doom-slayer-gigachad-doom-guy-gigachad-gif-24874107

the best suit

[storm acorn]

same with the cyber mancubus

[fierce cipher]

I kinda dislike the Eternal Praetor.

People will point out the exposed neck and biceps....

But I also don't like the weird mix of green and brown (poor color mix), and all the tacky stuff, like all the goofy spikes all over it and the gauntlets.

It just looks like a mess, and feels like it tries too hard, and feels a bit "overdesigned" for lack of a better term.

So I agree on 2016 Praetor being cooler.

[fierce cipher]

Very very hard agree on the Mancubi and Cyber Mancs.

Even though the Eternal ones look pretty good too

DOOM 3 has my second favorite Mancubus designs behind 2016 I'd say.

[dapper zenith]

its been a while since i played doom 2016 and i forgot how i gained xp in private matches, does anyone know how to do it again?

[fierce cipher]

What about 2016 Soldiers and Shield Guys or Eternal Soldiers and Shield Guys?

[elder meadow]

So, I got into 2016 Doom 8 years late. I didn't know it had DLCs until I looked at the Doom wiki. I wanted to try the DLCs, but I couldn't find them on Steam. Does anyone know how I can still get them for the Steam version?

[winter stream]

Doom 2016 DLC was just multiplayer DLC. But it was turned into free content as of the 6.66 update

[elder meadow]

So I can access it for free already?

[winter stream]

Yeah

No maps, weapons, demons, or other loadout and customization options locked behind a paywall after that update

Just part of the base game now

[primal wedge]

god i hate hell knights

[fierce cipher]

Why

[primal wedge]

they're big and scary lmao

[quaint hinge]

Damn played Doom 2016 then the next day my ps4 overheated, must be the demons from hell ;-;

[spice forum]

damn demons

[primal wedge]

eheheheeheheheh double jump!

[primal wedge]

yeah h this is kinda starting to drag on

it’s just a wild goose chase now

and randomly stopping for some dialogue when we could probably catch up with her

[fierce cipher]

What about Barons

[primal wedge]

havent seen those yet

[primal wedge]

yeah hell is starting to get me exhausted kinda quick

[primal wedge]

they introduced a new enemy like two combat encounters in a row

maybe give it a bit of time

[spice forum]

Which part are you going?

[primal wedge]

huh

[kind ore]

hey chat i just got the demo of 2016, and yeah my pc is kind of struggling. i already set the graphics to low, can i turn off the blood or the particles? it really is destroying my framerate

[primal wedge]

why couldnt u lol

[kind ore]

war

whar

what oh my god i cant type

yeah im running at an amazing... 40 fps.

honestly it looks amazing even at 40 fps

[vivid rapids]

I just replayed 2016 and it was just as good as I remembered it being. I immediately started eternal after and it's not as good as I remember. Despite the fan service with the updated design, 2016 feels much better. All the jungle gym stuff in eternal is so out of place

Any 2016 truers?

[elder meadow]

I agree, Doom 2016 looks way better, but it has a little worse gameplay on my Steam Deck. Doom Eternal works well without a problem. Either way, they're both cool in my opinion.

[spice forum]

I like Doom Eternal more than Doom 2016, but they are both great games

[primal wedge]

@brazen rain

<@&162901871168585728>

i'm literally white

[worldly magnet]

bye bye

clown

[primal wedge]

sorry for the ping random person, i tried to ping mods but disscord decided to mes with the user listr or sth so i accidentially clicked on u

[fierce cipher]

I prefer 2016 yes. By a lot too. Especially since Eternal's levels honestly feel waaaay too long a lot of the times.

Also it has SnapMaps.

[vivid rapids]

Snap maps are so underrated

[fierce cipher]

Yeah, especially the more recent ones that use SnapHaks pushing the boundaries a lot more.

Though you won't see them on the SnapMaps front page because they haven't updated it in so long

You have to search for codes or titles on Discord or YouTube or something

Into the Mortuary was awesome, with a kinda mind-blowing custom boss.

[peak meteor]

ima try that map next time i log in

[vivid rapids]

Do you need anything special to play them? Recommend me some I'll have to try

I just started playing again for the first time since it came out

[fierce cipher]

Nope. Just the title or code.

Okay... Let's see....

[vivid rapids]

Preferably co-op ones please

[fierce cipher]

An old one I love is City of Dis , this was before SnapHaks took place.

But I loved it a lot.

[fierce cipher]

Co-op ones? Not as familiar with those, but I might know some

Don't remember if The House of Michael Myers had co-op, but I liked that one

BAD's The Dreamer is pretty dope.

Anyway for co-op, Snowmen Sleighers is a goofy hard co-op SnapMap.

Into the Mortuary by jack:
BE8SRM7W

Snowmen Sleighers:
MGTCR4T3

Some codes there

[peak meteor]

thanks

[vivid rapids]

Thanks for all the recommendations!

[fierce cipher]

Np

[ivory cedar]

Hi Someone for a mp in PS4?:)

[obsidian relic]

I love this game. But i feel like it still has one big flaw. The weapon balance.... Some weapons are kinda useless (their mods at least)...
Like I don't think anyone really used the scope mod for the riffle , or the spinning mod on the chaingun

Like... Towards the end of the game , i always find myself just spamming Ssg & gauss cannon because of how broken & powerfull it is

[elder meadow]

just dont spam ssg and gauss cannon

[fierce cipher]

Also you can spam PB + Rockets to your heart's content in Eternal (even a lot of top level players spam PB + Rocket combos lol), so it's always weird to me when people say Eternal fixed the spamming issue lol

You can get away with spamming in any DOOM game tbh lol

[wispy hedge]

Or don’t upgrade SSG or Gauss Cannon too much in general

The only thing I didn’t upgrade with the SSG is Uranium Coating

[obsidian relic]

Well, it did. Eternal did fix this issue , since in eternal , you kinda need to use all your weapon, not just 2 till the level is done

Also , speaking of balance... Some mods (like the scope for the riffle, or the spinning for the chaingun) or even 1 gun in particular (the pistol) were.... Just useless

I kinda like how eternal remade some weapon mods to make them all balanced and usefull

[wispy hedge]

For example SSG doesn’t feel op and is quite useful, Tactical Scope actually works essentially well against most fodder and even heavy demons, ballista is the best thing ever, etc

Eternal improved the weapons a lot, so it’s mainly up to the player to choose how they use their arsenal

AKA, “You control the buttons you press”

[obsidian relic]

Kinda hard when the other weapons are weaker

[storm acorn]

what are snapmaps

[storm acorn]

scope is great for fodder with mastery
so is pistol charged shot

the only mod i find useless is the spinny chaingun mod and maybe the remote detonator

[storm acorn]

i use the grenade launcher and lock on burst

rocket launcher lock on burst might be the best mod in the game

[winter stream]

they are the maps made in doom 2016's level editor

[elder meadow]

i always spam remote detonation rockets at everyone lol

[fierce cipher]

Remote detonation is ridiculously good in 2016. Eternal nerfed it a lot.

The Gatling Rotator I think is better than mobile turret for quick swap combos, because the start up is a lot faster.

[wispy hedge]

If you find remote detonator useless, then you’re probably not using it right

IMO I find it one of the best upgrades ever

It made me like the rocket launcher even more

[elder meadow]

i found the lock on burst useless, at least compared to remote detonation

[wispy hedge]

I use RD for killing cacos quickly because they’re a pest in 2016 compared to Eternal

[fierce cipher]

Lock on burst is amazing too, just shoot a rocket right before and after the lock on burst, you'll shoot 5 rockets super fast, and it's extremely good.

[storm acorn]

lob shreds cacodemons

[elder meadow]

might try

[wispy hedge]

I find RD better imo

[fierce cipher]

Lock on burst is amazing, but Remote detonation is straight up overpowered lol

[wispy hedge]

I see RD as a tool

How is it op?

[elder meadow]

my aiming is trash, but with RD you dont even have to actually aim at enemies

[wispy hedge]

That’s maybe why I don’t see it op, I never realized that because I aim

I mainly use it on cacos though

[elder meadow]

especially with summoners

[fierce cipher]

Super spammable. Insane kill power, insane explosion, high speed and control. A lot of ammo. Also if you be cheesy with Rich Get Richer 2 (infinite ammo), you basically can't be touched.

IIRC it can kill pinkies into two hits.

It and Siege mode are the most broken tools in the game for sure.

[elder meadow]

theyre hard to hit with other weapons

[wispy hedge]

I realize I play more like a normal person who plays Doom 2016 than I thought now

[fierce cipher]

I remember trying out remote detonation for a little bit, and being shocked that pinkies die two hits, and I think Barons died 3-4 hits from remote det, yes fucking Barons

[elder meadow]

so who are not normal?

[wispy hedge]

I don’t know

I’m talking about normal as in people who doesn’t tend to use the broken upgrades frequently

I don’t even have my SSG fully upgraded and I’m keeping it that way

[elder meadow]

i didnt know much about upgrades in my first playthrough, i just randomly upgraded RD and started using it everywhere not knowing its broken

im not normal i guess

[wispy hedge]

I knew I wasn’t the only one who didn’t see RD being broken

Like I didn’t even know it was broken until today

[elder meadow]

same i just thought it was useful

[wispy hedge]

we utilize stuff the best way I guess

[elder meadow]

but i do use broken strats when i know about them, for example BFG on level 5 in doom 3

[wispy hedge]

I never used the BFG a lot in Doom 3

[elder meadow]

i use everything in doom 3

except pistol

[vivid rapids]

RD is so busted
You can just shoot past the shield guys and detonate on their ass

Also the combat shotty is so good in '16

The burst fire is underrated, at least among people I've talked too

[fierce cipher]

Shooting a regular shotgun shot into a burst shot into regular shotgun shot takes a significant amount of health down from basically every enemy

[fierce cipher]

The burst shot also has an amazing sound effect.

You can hit pinky backs for free, resulting in one to two shot kills as well for remote det.

[obtuse yew]

Anyone wanna play a multiplayer match?

[ruby anchor]

net is a worthless player - but the real blame falls squarely on Bethesda and id software for being too cheap to include any anti-cheat and too cheap to even pay the slightest attention to the game once they got everyone's money

[peak meteor]

pretty sure they just abandoned mp

tho im at least glad i havent run into multiple hackers

i think ive only ran into one

[vivid sequoia]

A good solution is to build a private group to all enjoy games with. Was part of the reason I joined.

[peak meteor]

im pretty sure there are private groups

i know theres a group on steam

idk abour console side tho

pretty sure its just dead silent there

[vivid sequoia]

Yeah, kind of why I came here, was to build a PS4 group.

Or find one

[elder meadow]

I completed Doom 2016 Ultra-Violence on Steam Deck. Is Doom VFR any good>

I've just seen mixed reviews, so I just wanna be sure.

[coarse yoke]

From what i've seen/learned - No.

One of the main sticking points is you can't actually move in a traditional way. You 'warp' around to move.

Interesting 'story'. I think you play the engineer who'd head you use to open a door with.

[peak meteor]

i bought it despite all the negativity i heard about it

havent tried it yet but although im not a fan of warp travel, if the gameplay is at least fun i can put the traversal aside

[elder meadow]

What about Doom 3 BFG Edition 3D mode? I've seen it in the options, and I think it could look cool. I just don't know how to make it function.

[wispy hedge]

I'm very close to completing UV on Steam Deck

I undermined VEGA Core a lot, good lord it's tough

[fierce cipher]

Argent D'Nur last two arenas are very tough too

[bold sun]

https://youtu.be/xq7NbomEr6U made a doom 2016 trailer

[hexed karma]

hello

can't lauch doom 2016 from steam

can someone help me please ?

[smoky snow]

hey

can someone play multiplayer with me

[smoky snow]

pls

[hexed karma]

if i could lauch doom, i've already did it

[smoky snow]

whats ur problem

i dk if its crossplay

im playing in ps5

[blazing gale]

Hello. I would like get platinum trophy of Doom 2016. But, I can't find online match. I play in the PS4 version. Thanks so much

[blazing marten]

Is there a way to customize the controls? Like, not presets

[peak meteor]

no crossplay unfortunately

ive heard the console side of mp is pretty dead

maybe look online to see if there a groups dedicated to mp

[storm acorn]

options

[wispy hedge]

I’m not sure if console controls can be changed though, I tried on my Steam Deck but wasn’t able to

I mean I did look and the controls were fine as they were anyway

[storm acorn]

keyboard can tho

i changed the weapon mod key to “E” and interact to “Z”

until then i never used weapon mods

until spider mastermind

[uneven sleet]

Bro its impossibile to find a game

[wispy hedge]

I have mine as MOUSE5 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

My mouse is built different

I have the chainsaw as F and GK as MOUSE4

Basically customized the controls to be more like Eternal’s

[peak meteor]

i did the opposite lol

customized my controls in eternal to be like 2016

[storm acorn]

what is your favorite level in d2016 and Doom eternal

[fierce cipher]

VEGA Central Processing, Necropolis, and Argent Facility Destroyed are probably my top 3 in 2016.

Arc Complex, Nekravol Part 1/2, and Mars Core are probably top 3 in Eternal.

[storm acorn]

i really like the vega level, argent tower, and lazarus

[plucky moss]

If you have the file to enable the console, you must delete it.

Thanks to the latest patch, the game no longer works with the console. And it was with that tool that I used to activate the Latin dubbing from Steam.

I tried to replace the Spanish dubbing files with the Latin dubbing files, and even though they look the same, the game manages to know that they are not the same files, and avoids working.

[plucky moss]

https://tenor.com/view/pissed-off-face-pissedoffface-carey-gif-13302881

[fierce cipher]

It's so hard to pick because I love every 2016 mission except for maybe the first mission.

But VEGA Central Processing has always been my #1

[storm acorn]

i kinda dislike the kadingir sanctum

[fierce cipher]

Why?

I mean I do think it's a little overrated and is easily the weakest of the Hell based missions, but it's still a cool level

Necropolis > Argent D'Nur > Titan's Realm > Kadingir Sanctum is my favorite to least favorite Hell levels

[storm acorn]

out of all the hell based missions, kadingir just did not really stick out to me that much other than introducing lost souls, barons, and the debut of the chain gun

and that last part was a pain in the ass

[fierce cipher]

Is that the only level you dislike

[fierce cipher]

I liked that arena a lot.

[storm acorn]

theres also resource operations

[fierce cipher]

I used to hate Lazarus Labs, especially due to the ridiculous amount of imps.

But I grown to love it, especially since Skullhacker is one of the best tracks in the game, and the Cyberdemon is arguably the most epic boss in an FPS.

Though I love all of 2016 bosses, Hell Guards are probably my favorite

[storm acorn]

i did not realize there were that many imps,

[storm acorn]

hell guards were a pain in the ass when i first met them

[fierce cipher]

They're the hardest boss, but they're so cool

[fierce cipher]

Yeah, they can be ridiculous on Nightmare and Ultra Violence, especially because it's pretty cramped, and imp fireballs basically kill you one hit

[fierce cipher]

I prefer that over Exultia as a second mission tbh

[storm acorn]

i relied a lot on ssg when i first got there, and i had mastery on it

[storm acorn]

same

[fierce cipher]

Also prefer Foundry over Cultist Base as a third mission lol

[storm acorn]

argent dnur is my favorite hell level

[storm acorn]

they are equal to me

[fierce cipher]

It's super fun, especially since it's the hardest Hell mission.

[storm acorn]

pinkies are mad annoying tho

[fierce cipher]

And it has some of the best music choice in the game

[storm acorn]

mastermind is a banger

[fierce cipher]

The Argent D'Nur map plays Rip and Tear, Flesh and Metal, Damnation, Hell choirs, and Spider Mastermind.

All godlike tracks.

[storm acorn]

damnation is a really good one

[fierce cipher]

Meanwhile Eternal Final Sin only has one song lol. (Two if you count the Icon of Sin music)

[fierce cipher]

All are really good

[fierce cipher]

I used to hate them, but they're some of my favorite enemies now.

Exceptional pressure units, and they're really fun to quick swap combo and lock on rockets on.

[storm acorn]

they are the most annoying enemy imo, right after cyber mancubus and lost souls

[fierce cipher]

Lost Souls just suck in every DOOM game. Let's be real here. Lmao

[storm acorn]

for real

[fierce cipher]

Cyber Mancubus are fun, but the way they can trap you feels kinda bullshit at times, also sometimes they can hit and kill you through walls.

[storm acorn]

thankfully pain elementals dont exist in doom 2016

[fierce cipher]

Yeah, though Eternal's Pain Elementals aren't as toxic as DOOM II and especially 64's though

Fuck DOOM 64 Pain Elementals. All my homies hate D64 Pain Elementals.

[storm acorn]

cyber mancubus are just annoying because they have more health than a normal mancubus and leave behind a poison effect

[fierce cipher]

True, though you can kill them pretty fast with Gauss Cannon and rocket launcher.

[storm acorn]

true

[fierce cipher]

I love Hell Knights and Barons of Hell

[storm acorn]

barons are terrifying

[fierce cipher]

I find the 2016 Baron the most badass and fun Baron in the whole series

And also the scariest Baron

Eternal Baron kinda fun too, but don't feel as scary or threatening

[rancid pier]

I’m downloading doom 2016 rn is it good

Coming from someone who only played doom eternal

[fierce cipher]

It's near universally seen as amazing.

[rancid pier]

Is it tho

[fierce cipher]

Hmm.... while I prefer 2016 over Eternal, playing Eternal first, might make 2016 feel a little.... weird.

Like if you're used to dashing and meathooking, you might find it very off putting and slow at first.

Especially at the beginning where you have no upgrades, double jump, or air control yet

[rancid pier]

Isn’t it a bit easier

[fierce cipher]

Depends on who you ask I guess.

I find 2016 atleast on Nightmare and parts of Ultra Violence a lot harder than Eternal personally (not even just the beginning, the game in general really) . Also Hugo Martin himself, the lead director of the game also finds 2016's Nightmare harder than Eternal's.

Though 2016 could be easier to cheese/exploit if you want to.

2016's beginning on UV and Nightmare is kinda seen as very brutal by most because you don't have the tools to cheese or exploit yet.

[hexed karma]

hi

[crimson summit]

nightmare imps at the beginning though 😭

[fierce cipher]

Them in general really.

I found them the worst on Advanced Research Complex and the final arena of Lazarus Labs actually.

Especially since the arenas on Advanced Research Complex and the final Lazarus Labs arena is really cramped, so dodging them feels nigh impossible a lot of the times.

[peak meteor]

i think that might be due to the fact that in eternal, you have a ton of travsersal options (meathook, dash) whearas in 2016, all you have is your double jump and that air control rune

is it me or do the barons seem bigger in 2016 than in eternal

[fierce cipher]

Yes. A bit of a hottake, but Eternal's dash spam and air abuse, just removes a lot of the tension, drama, and threat factor from fights, and also makes the demons feel and look like tiny insignificant ants, a bit of jokes, because you're always flying above them.

2016's fakeouts and strafe skill were so much more tense, interesting, and intimidating if that makes sense.

[fierce cipher]

I've heard Eternal's Barons were a lot bigger.

It's just 2016 Barons feel a lot bigger and more imposing because you're a lot more grounded most of the time.

[peak meteor]

true, not only that but in eternal theres way more open space to climb and dash around while in 2016, while arenas do give some space, most of the time take place inside an enclosed area

2016's evironment prob what makes the demons seem bigger than they are

[peak meteor]

if they were bigger, i never noticed. Though it could just be because i havent faced against them alot so im not used to seeing their size

[fierce cipher]

I heard that they're 2 times bigger but take that with a grain of salt

I just saw some side by side comparisons and they seem around the same size to me

[fierce cipher]

Yeah Eternal can offer a lot more verticality

[storm acorn]

is remote detonation good?

[elder meadow]

Alot u can set up traps

[fierce cipher]

In 2016 it's straight up overpowered tbh

[opal plaza]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1117835783068450888/1236088345696796743/2024050400473401-CF035A1DEF1D6DADE285B7ACA9873642-1.mp4?ex=6636bc7b&is=66356afb&hm=05dd65bbcb3ff59baca472872e2c835b6487e056e5afa88145ac23a04093bc4c&
yet again...

like it might be a bonus for me, but im am not a speedrunner ,_,

[storm acorn]

lock on burst is kinda op for bosses and big enemies like barons

[fierce cipher]

Double siege mode though

[storm acorn]

yes

[winter stream]

I think it's caused by your reticle not being positioned to set up a glory kill, but the chainsaw attack arc still hitting the enemy.

[elder meadow]

How to find E1M2 classic map?