#doom-2016
cedar niche
cold root
they are more of an useful asset to the player, standing still and being thrown when shot, making them useful against strong enemies
cedar niche
god this game gets more and more fun the further you get wtf
elder meadow
The first three levels are big hurdles
once passed fun doesnt stop
cedar niche
game's now just like "ah yeah you have everything and are an unstoppable killing machine so we'll just toss billions of demons at you to slaughter have fun"
elder meadow
they also encourage you to use bfg but if you wanna have fun resist using it
cedar niche
beat the game 
elder meadow
I am not the villain of this story, I do what I do because there is no other choice
I cannot kill you, but I can't have you standing in our way.
Until we meet again
*Tether activation
fossil basin
beat the game <a:YAY:763159009686585354>
finally
halcyon bear
Always found cooking something with the bfg enjoyable
elder meadow
Argent tower fucking sucks man
cedar niche
Nah it doesn't
elder meadow
Platforming is actual dogshit
2016 takes its time with giving you pretty basic game mechanics like double jump which I’m not a huge fan of either
Combat encounters are super tame in comparison to Eternal it’s pretty funny
cedar niche
Because eternal's intro is paced based of expecting you to have played 2016. So they throw more at you at the start
snow heron
Platforming is actual dogshit
It’s not that bad
elder meadow
Eh it’s very forgiving for new players since almost all of the enemies you’ll be fighting are fodder
cedar niche
Platforming in 2016 is barely anything outside 2 total jumps in a stage anyways
elder meadow
Argent tower has a long stretch that has you jumping around in the beginning and then that sequence where you have to scale the tower itself which I’m not looking forward to
cold root
Combat encounters are super tame in comparison to Eternal it’s pretty funny
as Gougaru said, I don't think it's good comparing both games
elder meadow
It’s annoying mostly because a single mistake results in your death
cedar niche
The only annoying jump is the pipe thingie before the second arena. Besides that they jumps are pretty hard to screw up
patent mesa
Sup
cold root
I don't mind Argent Tower much, but the level after it is my personal favourite
snow heron
Kadingir Sanctum is good yeah
cold root
first time you encounter Barons, you see them absolutely destroying fodder enemies
elder meadow
Platforming is actual dogshit
bad in like is it hard for you?
Not difficult just annoying at times
snow heron
Tho necropolis can get hectic af
Titans Realm opening is so good
cold root
''He's here''
elder meadow
Barons easily the best 2016 demon design
elder meadow
Titans Realm opening is so good
jumping down the mouth of a huge titan
One thing 2016 nails down pretty well is how insidious hells influence is
elder meadow
jumping down the mouth of a huge titan
doomguy supposedly killed this titan
Definitely invokes the same vibes as Doom and Doom 3
cold root
Barons easily the best 2016 demon design
Fireborne Barons look cool wih the blades and everything but the 2016 Barons are the og
elder meadow
DE has the most striking hell imagery in the series (Doom 3 only the real competition imo), but it’s not handled with any of the same gravitas I guess?
still lily
Not difficult just annoying at times
ironic
still lily
just proves ur on copium when i say the same shit. Skill issue!! that platforming is perfect!!! doom 2016 has no flaws!!
elder meadow
That’s not what I said
still lily
im mocking you with eternal lol
elder meadow
Besides skill issue but if you’re complaining about carcasses then you deserve it tbh
still lily
purple goo lovers will die by its grasp
elder meadow
C’mon
still lily
in its defense
elder meadow
I didn’t say it was good 😭
The goop in exultia was annoying but when the game doesn’t force you into it it’s pretty easily ignored (ARC Complex).
still lily
💀
still lily
the public cannot handle leon
slim pebble
Because eternal's intro is paced based of expecting you to have played 2016. So ...
And they start you off with a shotgun too.
cedar niche
and heavy assault rifle pretty quickly after that too
also completely regret micro missiles in 2016, felt so meh. idk how precision bolt is in this game but yeah
tepid jolt
The other mod is a scope. Doesn’t do high power cooldown shots, just helps with accuracy at distances
tepid jolt
Yeah I’m not complaining. Just pointing out that it’s nothing like the Eternal scope where it turns the rifle into a full on sniper rifle
untold stirrup
I personally prefer the tac scope
Missiles are cool in combos but otherwise I feel like they're idk
Cheap or smthing
tepid jolt
I like using the scope to help with secret hunting and such
still lily
idk how the scope would help with that but okay
i always perferred tac scope over micro missles
tepid jolt
Basically using it as binoculars
still lily
i still dont see how that helps lmao. but cool
tepid jolt
I have a hard time seeing at distance and that often helps me understand how to get somewhere better than the map can
elder meadow
im new to this game
still lily
I have a hard time seeing at distance and that often helps me understand how to ...
nearsighted slayer
still lily
im new to this game
"im new to this game"
sets pfp as it
based honestly
tepid jolt
I need my glasses to see the TV clearly from like 5 feet away. My vision is terrible
still lily
same. i got them nerd glasses.
elder meadow
🤓
cold root
geez a lot of the enemies deal more than 70 damage with some of them dealing 100 or more on nightmare 💀
tepid jolt
Nightmare isn’t trying to be fair. It’s trying to kick your ass
cold root
at least it’s not a difficulty designed to be a joke like in Classic Doom
elder meadow
classic doom nightmare is REAL nightmare
tepid jolt
I honestly respect classic Doom nightmare for showing no mercy and making you pay for any hesitation
still lily
i don't really respect classic doom when it comes to difficultly. lol rng damage.
tepid jolt
RNG damage makes very little actual difference lol.
cold root
sometimes you can kill an Imp with one shotgun blast, sometimes it takes two
tepid jolt
Yeah. I said little difference, not zero difference
still lily
that aint little lol
cold root
I know about that, I wasn’t complaining about it
tepid jolt
Imps have just barely enough HP for the shotgun to not always kill. If you don’t kill it in one good pump shot, it has like 5 HP left
It’s an edge case, not a major factor
I’d argue that damage not being 100% consistent is actively good as it means you can’t be completely sure exactly how close to death you are
I’d tweak classic Doom damage randomness to tighten the range a bit, but wouldn’t throw it out
At any rate, the main thing that makes classic Doom nightmare ridiculous is that enemies don’t stay dead. This means you have to hurry through levels, which forces the player to be both more aggressive and have a plan going into every situation
still lily
terrible. imagine defending randomly getting 1 shot or not lmao
tepid jolt
That doesn’t really happen in practice though.
still lily
but it can happen. and has. so its bad
still lily
I’d tweak classic Doom damage randomness to tighten the range a bit, but wouldn’...
id completely throw it out. nothing is really fun in it.
it doesn't add anything but random chance to die or random chance to get lucky
tepid jolt
The only thing that can actually oneshot you ever is a cyberdemon rocket, which is guaranteed to oneshot you on direct hit (excepting if you have a megasphere, in which case you still die the vast majority of the time)
cold root
eh honestly Doom’s rng doesn’t really matter much imo
still lily
any rng like that just doesnt sit right with me
tepid jolt
Well that and telefrag, which is nonrandom 10 million damage and oneshots literally everything 100% of the time
still lily
then again, im mainly a pvp player so hearing the words rng in an fps makes me shudder
cold root
it’s not like the random damage is THAT noticeable
still lily
it definitely is lol ur just not paying attention
cold root
aside from things like a Revenant missile
tepid jolt
In practice the main effect of RNG in classic Doom is that you don’t know for certain if an enemy will die in 3 hits or 4
still lily
and thats dumb
elder meadow
it definitely is lol ur just not paying attention
if theyre not paying attention then it really isnt a huge difference
still lily
if theyre not paying attention then it really isnt a huge difference
tell tf2 players that when random damage spread was a thing
many people said the same kinda shit. ohhh not really noticeable
tepid jolt
I think being able to know exactly how many shots will kill an enemy with absolute certainty (outside competitive play) is stupid
still lily
even though if you actually cared it definitely is
still lily
I think being able to know exactly how many shots will kill an enemy with absolu...
why
elder meadow
even though if you actually cared it definitely is
I don't? I like it even if it takes me 3 full shotgun blasts to kill the imp
still lily
cope ig whatever. thats you. i dont like it
tepid jolt
It’s not that it “isn’t noticeable”. It’s literally skewed really hard in favor of moderate damage
It objectively doesn’t affect most scenarios
elder meadow
and youre not using your shotgun all the time so
still lily
if it has the possibility of rng (in that way, not all rng is bad but straight up numbers is gross) then its bad tbh
tepid jolt
Wdym “straight up numbers?”
elder meadow
if it has the possibility of rng (in that way, not all rng is bad but straight u...
why? trouble killing enemies that dont die as you'd expect?
still lily
if i physically hit the same enemy in the same way why wouldnt it do the same damage
tepid jolt
Think about that realistically for just one second. There’s no way in Hell you’re hitting the same enemy in the same way consistently. Having damage be random in a narrow range is the only way that works without being a coding nightmare
still lily
why? trouble killing enemies that dont die as you'd expect?
it goes both ways. both demon damage AND ur damage is rng. i think its fucked that unlike in doom 2016 when i get hit by an imp fireball i know that its 90hp and act accordingly. but in classic doom it literally could be 3 all the way up to 24
tepid jolt
Yeah and it’s around 15 90% of the time
still lily
Think about that realistically for just one second. There’s no way in Hell you’r...
this isnt about realism lol this is about basic game design. what does it teach the player? what purpose does it serve?
tepid jolt
It helps make enemies feel like believable creatures instead of cardboard cutouts
still lily
Yeah and it’s around 15 90% of the time
"around" bro.. seriously. theres been so many times where getting out of an encounter with 1hp is fun af. and thats kinda robbed from you otherwise.
you just got lucky. you didnt get out by the skin of ur teeth the numbers just didnt screw you over
tepid jolt
Yeah that doesn’t happen in classic Doom regardless. Walking into the next room with 1 hp and you’re absolutely fucked
still lily
RNG damage will just never make sense or be fun to me
still lily
It helps make enemies feel like believable creatures instead of cardboard cutout...
ah yes the rng damage adds to the immersion lmao. actual copium
reminds me of the 30fps makes it more cinematic
tepid jolt
Incidentally weren’t you the one who blasted me for not playing through Halo fully through then complaining about how it played? IIRC you’ve never played Doom 1 at all
still lily
i have but i dont need to play it for 20 years to complain about rng. like the fact that it exists is enough. I see damage ranges, i cringe. And have seen way too much gameplay.
Like complaining about bloom is halo is perfectly valid. you dont even need to play it
but complaining about the entire game itself is different
im not attacking ur precious ancient game. im attacking its outdated mechanics
tepid jolt
In that case maybe don’t remark about how you hate RNG damage every single time the original game is mentioned
Especially since no one else seems to ever be the one bringing up RNG damage
still lily
why would they. everyone here is just doom fans in a circle jerk
tepid jolt
…….we don’t bring it up because it’s irrelevant to what we want to talk about the game. Stuff like the level design or the absurdly fast movement or the oppressive atmosphere of Doom 1 Hell.
Or how having an utterly bullshit hardest difficulty is neat
still lily
soooo yeah. a circlejerk
anything that isnt doom 2016 i just dont wanna even see. get mid outta here.
tepid jolt
And your point? I’m allowed to gush about stuff I like. Complaining about the thing someone else likes the second it comes up in conversation is poor chat etiquette
still lily
huh strange didnt know this was the only channel in the entire server.
poor chat etiquette smh... lock him up
tepid jolt
Yeah someone brought up Doom 1 nightmare to briefly compare it to 2016. I said oh yeah Nightmare in 1 is neat and it probably would’ve ended there if you hadn’t complained about it
It was relevant so we talked about it for a moment.
elder meadow
why would they. everyone here is just doom fans in a circle jerk
Youre being a jerk to doom fans who like other dooms
still lily
ok and
tepid jolt
Don’t be a jerk to other people. It’s very easy
still lily
no one cares
exactly. carry on then
elder meadow
You and your doom 2016 snapmap modding
if you wanted only doom 2016 then maybe stay on your server and dont talk here
or at least dont attack other people for enjoying other doom games
tepid jolt
Someone rambling about a game you don’t like isn’t an excuse to be a jerk
still lily
if you wanted only doom 2016 then maybe stay on your server and dont talk here
o...
im not attacking anyone lol
still lily
Someone rambling about a game you don’t like isn’t an excuse to be a jerk
the reddit updoot... im dying
elder meadow
then why shit on the game that other people enjoy for some stupid ass reason
still lily
its fun
tepid jolt
That’s called being a dick
still lily
you guys are off base. i just dont like rng.
elder meadow
sheeeesh
tepid jolt
Okay? No one was talking about RNG before you brought it up
still lily
i forgot how this even started lmao
tepid jolt
Serafettin said something about how Doom 2016 Nightmare is hard and I said it’s trying to kick your ass. Then they mentioned that classic Doom Nightmare was a joke feature and I said I respected its cruelty, and you said something about how it’s garbage because RNG damage
still lily
yeah thats pretty relevant
if were talking about difficulty then pure numbers matter lol. ill leave it at that.
tepid jolt
In practice most Nightmare deaths happen because the player got overwhelmed by enemies being hyperaggressive or because they didn’t see a shotgunner while at low health
Fixed damage wouldn’t save the player in either case
still lily
thats crazy
but rng still stinky
idc if its a 0.01% chance to do 1 less damage like why tf is it there to begin with
tepid jolt
Doom 1 nightmare in general isn’t trying to be fair. The fact that it’s physically beatable without cheating was a fluke
Opening the mode literally warns you with a prompt saying “warning. This mode isn’t even remotely fair”
The RNG was implemented because people just generally didn’t mind RNG as much in the 90s and it feels more dynamic
still lily
You and your doom 2016 snapmap modding
only thing keeping me here obviously. My random autistic passion for modding a decent level editor into something awesome with snaphak (thank you lord chrispy) and finding new ways to mod the game that havent really been done before. cuz why not? I still need to toss my head down and try to figure out this md6 maddness with others. sadly since doom 2016 uses bmd6 the method im using might only work for doom eternal which.. would fucking suck imo. but imma keep messing around.
tepid jolt
Like SF2 did the same thing around that time. I won’t defend SF2’s usage as that game is a competitive game but it was a difference in gaming culture
elder meadow
only thing keeping me here obviously. My random autistic passion for modding a d...
doesnt the imp fireball also has hitscan rng in 2016
still lily
i just wanna release some maps and cool mods and just be done. i have no actual interest in the doom franchise i just thought snaphak and idtech 6 was cool.
still lily
doesnt the imp fireball also has hitscan rng in 2016
you can effect the accuracy modifier in snapmap
but idk i guess. i dont really care for the campaign
at least it does consistent damage
elder meadow
So you dont like when you get rng damage but dont mind getting hitscanned randomly
oh you havent played the campaign, how would you know🤦♂️
still lily
no any rng like that is bad. but at least it doesn't randomly 1 shot
still lily
oh you havent played the campaign, how would you know🤦♂️
i beat it UN, i said i dont care for it doesnt mean i havent played it
tepid jolt
Wouldn’t that be more liable to randomly oneshot?
elder meadow
no any rng like that is bad. but at least it doesn't randomly 1 shot
in an arena with 15 imps you are bound to get to less than 90 health and then out of nowhere get your ass set on fire with the fireball
thats would also be major rng in your logic
still lily
im pretty sure Its not RNG. They lead you if you are moving or throw it where you are if you stop.
tepid jolt
In general I mostly talk about 2016 here, and I’d appreciate my occasional digression into the older games not being shitted on for no reason
That is all
winter stream
the Imp fireball is still a projectile, not hitscan, it's just quite fast and they try to predict your trajectory
tepid jolt
Also without in flight mobility, just a bit harder
still lily
kinda dumb if ur just jumping with no air control cuz they lead you
but possible ig
i wouldnt take that risk bruh. inflight always on
elder meadow
definitely useful in arena with elevation changes and jump pads
tepid jolt
Yeah jumping without air control becomes pretty risky. I like focus on ground movement anyway so it doesn’t bother me
Okay
elder meadow
ok
south junco
I do like how this game gives you some of the old maps
playable with the 2016 gameplay
I only wish they'd done what Wolfenstein did and you fight the classic enemies
rather than just adding the 2016 enemies
you wouldn't be able to glory kill them but also you wouldn't really need to given the health pickups
still lily
I only wish they'd done what Wolfenstein did and you fight the classic enemies
yeah pretty sure they just didnt wanna figure out how to replicate their attacks into a modern game like would they just use 2016 projectiles? also syncing up the animations. idk. i guess they felt it was too much work for a neat Easter egg. eventually we might be able to mod this sorta thing.
south junco
yeah
I guess Wolfenstein was easy cause all the enemies just use guns so they could sub in the games bullet projectiles in favour of hitscan, and it still act like hitscan
tepid jolt
I thought Wolfenstein was hitscan
still lily
are bullets just so fast they might aswell be hitscan? cuz i pretty much thought they were hitscan aswell
south junco
I mean yeah
you'd be hard pressed to find an FPS game that used real hitscan within the past 20 years that isn't an early access retro shooter
pretty much every instance of it in a shooter of the past two decades it's been emulated hitscan
tepid jolt
Weird. I really don’t see the point of doing bullets that fast instead of just doing hitscan
modern swift
Weird. I really don’t see the point of doing bullets that fast instead of just d...
REALISM
And for games like call of duty it sort of makes sense because with large enough maps it gets to a point where it does make sense to have bullets go faster or slower, to give certain guns advantages
elder meadow
Call of Duty tries to be realistic and guns in that game are based on real life so ofc there's gonna be fast bullets
elder meadow
You know what
Kadingir Sanctum goes hard
necropolis is better with rip and tear
but i do like how the level progresses
These glory kill challenges always sucked damn
elder meadow
are bullets just so fast they might aswell be hitscan? cuz i pretty much thought...
ive never played wolfenstein but that sounds annoying
cold root
sometimes, when you manage to kill an Imp by shooting an explosive barrel near him, he moves slightly as if nothing happened, then falls apart
I just really like that type of humor lmao
jolly jolt
Just started playing 2016. Idk why but the game feels too slow to me, movement speed and progression wise. Does it pick up later on or is it always like this?
sick current
guys i'm stuck in the level cross the bridge how do i pass
kill olivia
i forgot chapter name
wraith tangle
Just started playing 2016. Idk why but the game feels too slow to me, movement s...
it'll pick up. Your movement speed will remain similar but there will be more violence per second
wintry kindle
guys i'm stuck in the level cross the bridge how do i pass
You need to walk to her?
sick current
bro bridge is broken i cant reach there
tepid jolt
Nah that’s normal. They hit very hard and are everywhere so it’s kind of inevitable that they become a big threat
elder meadow
It’s alot harder to dodge projectiles here and the game takes its time giving you basic weapons and features
Definitely taking some time to get used to
tepid jolt
Are jumping into Nightmare straight from Eternal?
elder meadow
I played a little UV but then I decided to just complete it on Nightmare
But I did go straight from eternal yeah
tepid jolt
Yeah Nightmare is a bit ridiculous in this game
elder meadow
Hoping it gets a little easier once I get stuff like double jump and more weapons
still lily
2016 is harder imo. especially if you dont cheese siege mode and rich get richer
elder meadow
Main problem for me besides enemies dishing out tons of damage is that I’m not used to being grounded so often
Fucks with me
tepid jolt
Yeah 2016 is harder without the broken upgrades. It’s not quite as fast as Eternal but you can avoid a lot by staying on the move and not constantly changing direction (you lose momentum when you pivot)
elder meadow
Got it
Hell Knights are going to destroy me so bad I just know it
At least this time I’m going to try and use my weapon points more wisely
tepid jolt
When you find a plasma gun, get the stun bomb mod as soon as you can. It stops charging foes in their tracks
elder meadow
I did
tepid jolt
Good
tepid jolt
Lol
elder meadow
Plasma rifle is like a peashooter against their shields without stun bomb
tepid jolt
I love using frag grenades and remote detonation on them
still lily
Plasma rifle is like a peashooter against their shields without stun bomb
ehhhh not for me. it actually hits them through the shield cuz of splash damage so its pretty useful. but yeah theres alot of options against them. you already have frags and shotgun grenade so theyre just annoying.
elder meadow
Yeah not very hard
still lily
they can basically 1 shot you if ur close tho that fuggin shotgun
idk how much damage it does i just remember grazing a mf and going red
slim pebble
I notice that P-Secs can block gauss cannon shots with their shields
Also I wish they had a different model from the soldiers.
still lily
i think concept art showed some different soldier designs sad it didnt make it
elder meadow
Cheesy bois
cold root
I remember that Possessed Soldiers gave me quite a bit of trouble the first time I played the game
both variants, on ultra-violence
cold root
aside from (obviously) the normal Possessed, Hell Razers are probably the most pathetic 2016 enemy
their beams are so easy to avoid, they take time to attack and they spend more time running around than actually attacking
tepid jolt
I do occasionally get hit by them on Nightmare. Mostly in Argent Facility
Mostly when they do the sweeping shot thing they sometimes do
cold root
no
cedar niche
I mean technically you do use it
wild zenith
like can u kill demons and stuff with it
cold root
you can't
wild zenith
then whats the point of picking it up from that place-
cedar niche
Story reasons
wild zenith
mane i just wanted to rip and tear-
cold root
the chainsaw is the crucible of 2016 
cedar niche
True
elder meadow
I have not used the chainsaw at all yet
cold root
using all that chainsaw fuel to kill a Baron 
if you use the chainsaw on a Possessed Engineer, he won't explode
elder meadow
if you use the chainsaw on a Possessed Engineer, he won't explode
That is insane
I think I tried that once, wild experience
slim pebble
if you use the chainsaw on a Possessed Engineer, he won't explode
Same goes for if he's killed by slime barrels
elder meadow
Okay I’m gonna go back to Ultra Violence, Nightmare isn’t fun tbh
slim pebble
BTW Hell Razers could've had better combat behavior. I don't like how they take a second or two before firing.
elder meadow
Love getting one shotted by shield guys
slim pebble
Oh I still think they should've had a Gunner variant of the Soldier with a Heavy Assault Rifle, he'd sort of be a modern rendition of the Machine Gun Z-Sec, but he'd feel closer to the Chaingun Bob than the Hell Razer.
flat hare
I try to get online tropies can anypen help me I cant found match
halcyon bear
Not a heavy rifle some sort of demonic corrupt version. Matches 2016 more
snow heron
Love getting one shotted by shield guys
Actually most dangerous enemy early game. Imo Hell Knights aren't anywhere near as threatening.
Imps aren't as bad as long as your not playing on Nightmare
elder meadow
Actually most dangerous enemy early game. Imo Hell Knights aren't anywhere near ...
Hell knights have killed me more but if you’re not careful shield guys will wreck you
They suck so bad
snow heron
I always go for the Plasma Rifle secret to get Stun Bomb early
slim pebble
TIL there's a rear glory kill animation for Cacodemons
still lily
yeah lol its funny. just latch on like a mosquito
cold root
Hell knights have killed me more but if you’re not careful shield guys will wrec...
and unlike Eternal's Shield Soldiers, shooting the Possessed Security's shield with the plasma gun won't make it explode
tepid jolt
I never really liked that change in Eternal tbh. The shield should help the enemy more than the player
elder meadow
cedar niche
Tbf eternal's design is all about giving each enemy specific weaknesses to force you to constantly swap weapons. I think it improves the game a lot
untold stirrup
I never really liked that change in Eternal tbh. The shield should help the enem...
it makes sense up to a point however, overloading the plasma-powered shields with more plasma should cause them to explode
cold root
I don’t think Possessed Soldiers and Blaster Soldiers have any differences at all (aside from the latter having a jetpack)
they either fire several small projectiles, or sit down, charge their guns and fire a few big ones
unique pine
#doom-2016 could anyone help me with making the two mg trophies on doom 2016, I'm on ps4
tepid jolt
I get wanting to push the player to switch weapons, but making enemy types have rock paper scissors relationships with weapons feels like a worse way than just giving weapons more meaningful weaknesses to work around
halcyon bear
Weapons being useful and having other effects other than damage is how to do it
Without slowing the pace down of course
But dps is to appealing
tepid jolt
Right. Ammo being limited so you can’t just spam your weapon of choice without consequences also helps, but you definitely need to make something besides DPS important to weapon appraisal.
I really like the concept of the chaingun rev time. It makes sense and could justify letting it be really powerful by ensuring you can’t just let it rip without a second to prep. That way the AR is the automatic for when you need it now but the chaingun is better if you have an opening to prepare it while moving into engagement range.
elder meadow
you can literally spam rockets and get done with an arena without using other weapons in this game lmao
cold root
you can literally spam rockets and get done with an arena without using other we...
I used the super shotgun and gauss cannon all the time
they work well against like everything
cold root
also I really accidentally called the gauss cannon ballista lmao
elder meadow
ballista canon
cold root
damn, I sure mistake some differences in 2016 and Eternal quite often
accidentally calling the gauss cannon ballista, and thinking the 2016 shotgun's explosive shots are stickies too
tepid jolt
Under the Mayo has some…… interesting ideas about both game design and what it means to have a fun challenge
tepid jolt
Yeah it’s basically masochist mode
elder meadow
close to a 0% run
tepid jolt
Like I said, unique ideas on fun challenge
elder meadow
if you know what that is
full combat rating
but no upgrades to anything and no collecting secrets and codices
tepid jolt
Next time I have PS+ I intend to dive into custom campaign content and see what fresh fun and/or suffering I encounter. Probably will go off recommendations
halcyon bear
Both eternal and 2016 are both very cheap as is
tepid jolt
I have both games. You can’t upload or download Snapmap levels without PS+ on PS4
elder meadow
sony sittin there to rob your money
still lily
Next time I have PS+ I intend to dive into custom campaign content and see what ...
sadly word of mouth or the server is like. the only way to see actual quality maps. they organized it horribly
snow heron
Under the Mayo has some…… interesting ideas about both game design and what it m...
His ULTRAKILL video…
still lily
enough to make a grown man throw himself out a window
cedar niche
yeah i havent seen anything from under the mayo except someone talking about his ultrakill video. and after that i somehow doubt id want to see more of him
elder meadow
ultrakill is hard and it kicks my ass
but i love the game
vale verge
So, I've been wondering this for some time now. About how long is Doom 2016? So far I'm a couple missions after the argent tower thing happens and I get sent to hell, but I don't know how much more there is after that
solid pasture
quite a bit.
halcyon bear
About 8 hours you're less than half
vale verge
bet, I was thinking the game was super short for some reason
elder meadow
So, I've been wondering this for some time now. About how long is Doom 2016? So ...
depends on if youre a completionist
vale verge
I try to be, but I don't know if there's a way to replay specific missions in one save and try to get everything
elder meadow
you can mission select specific missions which youve completed to go back and find secrets
solid pasture
I try to be, but I don't know if there's a way to replay specific missions in on...
yeah you can replay levels
vale verge
Ahh ok. In that case I'll most likely go back to them and start hunting for secrets, but I'm also gonna be replaying the game a lot. I'm starting with the easiest difficulty, and each time I beat the game, I plan to up the difficulty until I've beaten the hardest one there is
elder meadow
yea the game is very replayable
vale verge
And plus the music is so awesome that I'll have no issues replaying it over and over lol
elder meadow
yea music is the biggest reason lol
void venture
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465236787850248202/1109514107423555584/im...
Who is harvester?
I don't see him in campaign
elder meadow
Not literally the same I meant that it’s exclusive to MP like the prowler
They’re basically summoners that suck out souls instead of spawning demons
cedar niche
So, I've been wondering this for some time now. About how long is Doom 2016? So ...
||13|| missions total if you want specifics
still spoiler tagged it in case you don't actually want to know but yeah
fossil basin
still spoiler tagged it in case you don't actually want to know but yeah
mf had to spoiler tag a number 😭
oh shit that was 7 hours ago lmao
ded chat
harsh badger
mf had to spoiler tag a number 😭
lol
fallow helm
slim pebble
I like Chaingun Bobs
drifting light
Chat dead coz all demons dead. We wait them respawn.
no respawn yet
must find horde
cold root
They’re basically summoners that suck out souls instead of spawning demons
imagine them being in Eternal
an enemy that steals your hp and being able to use it to fire projectiles is a cool concept
atomic horizon
Just saw a footage of the closed alpha demonstrating some death animations, some weapons and UI elements. Is it still okay to talk about it today?
It was an old footage circa 2016 that got reuploaded back in April.
elder meadow
Just saw a footage of the closed alpha demonstrating some death animations, some...
some animations and models made it to the final game
atomic horizon
Indeed, not much is significantly different from retail anyways.
But it’s still cool that I get to see more new pre-release 2016 footage.
elder meadow
ye
elder meadow
Doom 2016 it's gold
elder meadow
spoken true facts
cold root
I like how the hole on the Possessed Scientist's face makes it look like an eye
just imagine how awesome it would have been if 2016 had Master Levels like Eternal
a ML version of Kadingir Sanctum would be amazing
elder meadow
a ML version of Kadingir Sanctum would be amazing
lol.
cold root
he really is glory killing the Possessed without them being staggered
oh wait nvm
seems like he glory kills them like the second after he melees them
winter stream
I did that all the time when I played the campaign
halcyon bear
Yee
still lily
why would i wait lmao. i have no respect for that 90hp fireball
cold root
playing the game with all upgrades maxed out and using rich get richer just makes you absolutely unstoppable
using siege mode with infinite ammo on everything
wraith tangle
if you really want OP, try instant siege. Hold the mod button and swap to the gauss. As you swap, spam the fire button. It should fire the siege blast instantly without having to charge. The passive cooldown between siege blasts still needs to happen but you don't need to wait for the manual charge
elder meadow
or melee and hold both mod and fire button while holding gauss
there is an internal cooldown so you cant spam it
need to wait for about 3 seconds
wraith tangle
oh didn't know the melee one.
cold root
wow
speaking of weapon mods, I don't think I used like any of them much in my first playthrough
aside from siege mode, of course
the only time I used many of them was so I can get the masteries
wraith tangle
then you must have used them a lot to get mastery
elder meadow
I’ve been using the tactical scope, remote detonation, and precision bolt a lot
cold root
then you must have used them a lot to get mastery
even then it was kinda cheesy. I just reloaded checkpoints in levels over and over until I got the masteries
halcyon bear
That sounds lame
acoustic sapphire
seems like he glory kills them like the second after he melees them
super satisfying discovering that
if there was a crowd of possessed i'd spam f and hear bones snapping for like 10 seconds
slim gorge
What's your preferred rune setup?
I can't decide which one of those to kick out: equipment power, armored offensive
Savagery
Or in-flight mobility
The latter 2 just make it more fun but the first 2 are good utility ones
elder meadow
armored off and savagery is a good combo
still lily
inflight. cant live without it just feels so much better
and Seek and destory is hilarious
savagery just makes the glory kills feel better and less annoying
slim gorge
Because it's a bad weapon for bad players and bad people
OK but seriously now
How much does the equipment rune impact the hologram
And in what way?
still lily
Why didn't they add that to eternal
they almost did. not sure why tbh. just make it start as a glock and then turn it into a duel weildable smg with upgrades
tepid jolt
They found it wasn’t useful so they cut it. Dual wielding in a Doom game would feel too out of place.
Shadow Warrior 3 did some dual wielding stuff IIRC
still lily
idk. i dont see how doomguy with more guns is out of place
is BJ blastabeach really stronger than dumbguy?
elder meadow
Why didn't they add that to eternal
Because it’s basically useless
tepid jolt
Basically Doom very much styles itself off of 80s action and horror movies. Dual wielding doesn’t fit the aesthetic
still lily
weird logic. Does having a chainsaw arm count as duel weilding? why does it even matter. Doom does alot that isnt just like 80s action movies, duel weilding wouldn't break the aesthetic imo. just make it cool. Duel weilding or not just make it some close range spraying vector or something to make it actually useful. I'm just thinking of ways to keep the pistol cuz its neat but gets outclassed so fast.
The DE pistol design seemed more like a machine pistol so just like. idk. work with that
tepid jolt
Doom’s pistol has pretty much always been nothing but a placeholder until you find real weapons. It always kind of throws me off when a game’s pistol isn’t garbage
Putting it out of its misery makes as much sense as reworking it
still lily
I love a good handgun. seeing a handgun get some love in a doom game would be awesome.
in the artwork and stuff i keep seeing the cut pistol in a pair. makes me want duel weild pistols so bad.
need to figure out md6 and just make it myself smh
tepid jolt
There’s a way to mod the pistol back into Eternal. There’s also probably a mod that makes the 2016 pistol good for something
still lily
that would be easy
wait yeah wtf. i should just make an auto pistol mod real quick
and just make it good thatd be fun
probably change the sound design to be less pathetic lol
halcyon bear
Less peeew
wraith tangle
idk. i dont see how doomguy with more guns is out of place
Eternal's chainsaw's first charge refills if empty every 20 s(30 s in multiplayer). So there's no need for an infinite ammo weapon and a finite ammo precise hitscan weapon is an already filled niche. 2016's doomguy could in theory use a pistol if out of ammo(though there are hidden mechanics that give you shells if you're really really low but that is only on a kill after all). Blasko's pistol in new-wolfenstein is really a stealth tool with the suppressor. Doomguy isn't really the suppressed pistol type
elder meadow
And 2016’s ammo economy is generous enough that you’re probably never going to need the pistol after the first level
I do think it’s a cool design though I’ll give it that
river nymph
Anyone want to do multiplayer I can’t get a team. Is it pretty dead by now?
elder meadow
2016 starts off fairly difficult but plateaus so hard later on
Kind of absurd how easy it becomes and I’m not even using the best runes
Might just jump to nightmare again
still lily
Eternal's chainsaw's first charge refills if empty every 20 s(30 s in multiplaye...
give doomguy smgs 
tepid jolt
He actually has one in Doom 3. It’s not a particularly impressive one but it’s functional and acts a lot like the assault rifle in 2016
elder meadow
his affinity for guns is apparent
noble seal
There’s a way to mod the pistol back into Eternal. There’s also probably a mod t...
i think there already is the pistol in eternal
it's just unused
noble seal
Eternal's chainsaw's first charge refills if empty every 20 s(30 s in multiplaye...
the chainsaw refills every 20s on nightmare too right?
drifting light
the only use the pistol had for me was that it could kill fodder demons
elder meadow
i use pistol to flex
tepid jolt
The pistol still exists in the code, yes. I say “removed from the game” in the sense that it isn’t used in any way
cold root
I sometimes used the pistol to kill the normal Possessed
one headshot makes their heads explode like a balloon
honestly I wonder why id decided to add a pistol for Eternal in the first place
using it in that game would have been pretty much suicide in most cases
wraith tangle
the chainsaw refills every 20s on nightmare too right?
In DE, yes. If it feels like it's not for you, remember that the chainsaw only refills automatically if it's fully empty. I have timed it before but it was over a year ago now so it's conceivable that it changed in an update (though no updates have ever touched the singleplayer as far as I can remember)
noble seal
In DE, yes. If it feels like it's not for you, remember that the chainsaw only r...
thanks man i only started eternal 3/4 weeks ago and i had no idea, i always run out of ammo so i'll just start using the chainsaw more
whole quest
Is there a way to play multiplayer without game pass for xbox
fossil island
Is there a way to play multiplayer without game pass for xbox
No
You need a active subscription on consoles
wraith tangle
Is there a way to play multiplayer without game pass for xbox
game pass is the subscription to play a host of games for free. Xbox live membership is different. Sometimes there are package deals but they're different. Either way, you do need to pay to play online
whole quest
oh,thanks
halcyon bear
In DE, yes. If it feels like it's not for you, remember that the chainsaw only r...
Not changed yetc
void venture
Does anyone know mods like Doom Eternal Randomizer?
faint peak
Does anyone know mods like Doom Eternal Randomizer?
this it 2016 talk
still lily
probably just wondering if there's a 2016 randomizer mod
of which idk. that would be funny to make
fighting barons in the first level lmao
void venture
this it 2016 talk
I mean randomizer mod for doom 2016 like in DE.
void venture
fighting barons in the first level lmao
Woke up from sleep and see 3 barons 🗿
still lily
lmaooooo
halcyon bear
Kinda a neat but outside tue temple in kand sanctum there's dead baalgars all over the place... so Basically this trap was their last stand
last tendon
does anyone else hear voices in the vending machines in the campaign?
cold root
first time I played 2016 these guys gave me quite a bit of trouble
they are definitely more dangerous than their Eternal counterparts for sure
and not just because you don’t have dashing
grand sluice
is there anyone willing to help me out with the MP trophies for Doom 2016
im on PS4 BTW
still lily
feel sad for console folk.
segregation is not right!!! free my console brothers from the PS network!!!
and xbox live
needs crossplay so bad
cold root
a lot of the people that want to get mp achievements are on console
I feel bad for them
still lily
same
elder meadow
tepid jolt
I just wish PS+ wasn’t required to upload/download Snapmap content
cold root
honestly I wish this game had more collectibles that allow you to view the models of enemies
there’s no any collectibles for viewing the models of most Possessed enemies and Hell Razers
the only Possessed that can be viewed is the Engineer
wraith tangle
honestly I wish this game had more collectibles that allow you to view the model...
can you do this by viewing them in the snapmap map builder
slim pebble
first time I played 2016 these guys gave me quite a bit of trouble
They were the first monster that killed me in my first playthrough
dense arch
I just wish PS+ wasn’t required to upload/download Snapmap content
Does that mean you can't get all the trophies on the Playstation without PS+?
tepid jolt
It means that, yes
elder meadow
there arent really lots of pinkies at once in the levels except for argent facility destroyed i believe
elder meadow
Pinkies are a lot less annoying in 2016 than eternal for me
cold root
2016 Pinkies make the same death sounds as Half-Life 2 zombies lol
stock sound effects moment
one thing I noticed, a lot of 2016 enemies (like Imps and Pinkies) have glowing eyes while their Eternal versions don't
and in an early gameplay video of Eternal, Arachnotrons have glowing eyes, which isn't a thing in the final game
elder meadow
easily avoidable with the jump pads
halcyon bear
It isnt on PC <a:Chad:1047944985921732749>
fierce bronze
Hi i am french do you want play doom with mi ?
halcyon bear
Non
grand sluice
So is there any possible way to get the MP trophies for 2016
And anyone willing to join in helping me get them on ps4
still lily
It isnt on PC <a:Chad:1047944985921732749>
and pc has snaphak access 🥹
objectively best version
i wish i was jeff bezos so i could buy every 2016 fan a decent puter
cold root
imagine the heavy assault rifle's scope mod being a precision bolt like its counterpart in Eternal
the scope just makes it more accurate, it doesn't turn it into a literal sniper rifle
wraith tangle
the scope just makes it more accurate, it doesn't turn it into a literal sniper ...
Think it changes the damage. At least with upgrades
still lily
imagine the heavy assault rifle's scope mod being a precision bolt like its coun...
theres a mod for that
still lily
Think it changes the damage. At least with upgrades
yes it does boatloads of headshot damage
DPS wise 2016's har is better
if u dump headshots
but i still like precision more
wraith tangle
if you account for quickswap techniques than the precision bolt is way way way stronger
still lily
sure but that's not dps coming from the har itself
cold root
was quickswapping in 2016 an intentional design choice?
compared to Eternal, it doesn't feel like it's designed for that
still lily
you absolutely still can. but it wasnt intentional i believe
i should make a mod to make swap speed near instant lmao
fucking bing bing bing 1second 3 weapons
thatd be funny
slim pebble
I think Possessed Soldiers were more dangerous in 2016 than their Eternal counterparts. Same goes for P-Secs.
elder meadow
Generally fodder in eternal is less dangerous, though that’s mainly because it’s way harder for them to actually hit you
Like on nightmare a zombie can take out half your health un-upgraded but who’s getting hit by them
Only fodder that give me trouble sometimes are the gargoyles
halcyon bear
Fodder in eternals only purpose is refills so thats why. They are not meant to be anything other than that
elder meadow
They’re decent early game threats for inexperienced players but after that they basically are refills that can do some damage
cold root
Eternal's Zombies are quite literally walking resources
their tip in the codex even tells you to use them to farm resources, that's how pathetic they are
tepid jolt
2016’s zombies are the same way tbf. You can literally set up a glory kill on them with a punch. I do wish imps and zombie soldiers weren’t demoted to similar impotence though
wraith tangle
until a 2016 zombie hits you for a million damage
elder meadow
motherfuckers hurt
tepid jolt
Sure but that can happen in Eternal too. They’re just so slow that you really shouldn’t be getting hit by them basically ever
elder meadow
they kill your momentum like those lasers in tag levels
cold root
do 2016 Possessed Soldiers and Eternal Blaster Soldiers have any behavior differences at all?
you can make the Eternal Shield Soldier's shield explode and kill him with the plasma rifle, something you can't do with the Possessed Security
tepid jolt
Nothing comes to mind. I think they’re a bit more fragile and possibly slower (not sure there), but their mechanics are more or less the same
elder meadow
Pretty sure the enemies are the same speed as in 2016 but you’re just way faster and in the air so much
Ik running speed in eternal is lower but there’s more movement options
drifting light
like dash
cold root
and meat hook
halcyon bear
Still got gauss jump
slim pebble
do 2016 Possessed Soldiers and Eternal Blaster Soldiers have any behavior differ...
None, except Eternal Blasters have a jetpack. Oh, and IIRC their charged blasts are slower
wise bridge
By any chance is anyone still playing Doom? Trying to get all the trophies and need help with the multiplayer.
fossil basin
By any chance is anyone still playing Doom? Trying to get all the trophies and n...
21 minutes late but sure
wise bridge
21 minutes late but sure
Play on PlayStation?
fossil basin
Damn
elfin laurel
bro i got so angry fighting the Hell guards bro
but once i died i was able to kill it
ashen furnace
Guys is ultra-violence real hard?
fossil island
Guys is ultra-violence real hard?
Depends. How should we know how good u are
elder meadow
Guys is ultra-violence real hard?
ez as shit
ashen furnace
Ig?
cold root
ez as shit
yeah
I first played the game on ultra-violence and it actually didn't give me much trouble
it especially becomes a cakewalk after getting enough upgrades
halcyon bear
Uv just isn't balanced well. Way to easy even back in the day on my first playthrough
cold root
I'm honestly scared in regards to playing on nightmare because a lot of enemies deal more than 70 damage with some of them dealing hundreds of damage
drifting light
bro even the imp deals that much damage
halcyon bear
I'm honestly scared in regards to playing on nightmare because a lot of enemies ...
It is ass early on not going to sugar coat it but after foundry you're gold
tepid jolt
Ultraviolence is a good challenge if you don’t take runes or do weapon masteries.
elder meadow
agf is a run killer
still lily
agf?
still lily
Ultraviolence is a good challenge if you don’t take runes or do weapon masteries...
that sounds boring as hell. just play nightmare bruh
fossil basin
I'm honestly scared in regards to playing on nightmare because a lot of enemies ...
Just don't get hit
elder meadow
Great advice
tepid jolt
Masteries and runes kind of break Doom 2016 on every difficulty imo. I’m currently playing no runes/masteries on Nightmare
still lily
that is such a strange acronym lmao
elder meadow
ye
untold stirrup
Yeh lol
gritty saffron
I'm honestly scared in regards to playing on nightmare because a lot of enemies ...
Aaaas you should be, but honestly despite the movement options introduced in Eternal, Doom 2016 is a way easier and more manageable game in Nightmare difficulty.
The enemies move a lot slower and you can telegraph their oncoming attacks more in Doom 2016.
still lily
i disagree. eternal was easier for me. maybe it's just playstyles
still lily
much easier to keep away and dodge. Meanwhile in 2016 without in flight mobility i feel naked.
played both on nightmare
Then again apprently theres OP strats in 2016 but i never really used
gritty saffron
right
tepid jolt
For me they feel about the same. 2016 feels a little harder but not by all that much. Mostly because of the generally higher damage and lower GK yield
elder meadow
eternal does feel easier because you can recover faster
flame belch grenade = armor pool
drifting light
and the glory kill rewards u more then 2016
in eternal i might get 50-80 at low health
2016 will not give me much health
tepid jolt
In general Eternal lets you bounce back from nonlethal mistakes very quickly.
drifting light
u can make alot of mistakes in eternal and not get a huge punishment
one wrong move in 2016 can send u to 1 health
noble seal
yes but you don't have op runes in eternal
drifting light
yes but you don't have op runes in eternal
that i cant beat
it doesnt have dash, regenerating chainsaw, blood punch and crucible
noble seal
it doesnt have dash, regenerating chainsaw, blood punch and crucible
you don't need the chainsaw when you have unlimited ammo
i've basically used the chainsaw less than 15 times in 2016
drifting light
i've basically used the chainsaw less than 15 times in 2016
well yeah sometimes u dont need the chainsaw
expect for the people that really use it alot
noble seal
the second you get the rich gets richer rune
drifting light
ur life is complete
noble seal
i prefer the rune that makes the siphon grenade steal armor when your hp is full
tepid jolt
Yeah I was was talking about playing without game breaking upgrades.
elder meadow
doesnt it only work once per level
drifting light
doesnt it only work once per level
u can use the rune again if u die
elder meadow
o
drifting light
take notes nightmare players
useless in ultra nightmare tho
works once the entire game
noble seal
i used to suck at both 2016 and eternal but then i got good somehow
saving throw is actually the best ultra nightmare rune
noble seal
if you close the game fast enough after the rune activates, the game will just reload the latest checkpoint and you'll still have the rune
drifting light
well that works
elder meadow
thats... cheesing
drifting light
well yeah
noble seal
who cares it works okay 🦭
elder meadow
The purist ULTRA NIGHTMARE PLAYERS DO
elder meadow
ye
noble seal
purist ultra nightmare players are no lifers no cap
elder meadow
true
drifting light
i beat 2016 ultra nightmare
elder meadow
sheeeesh
drifting light
and i can confirm i am no lifer
elder meadow
the furthest i got was titans realm
elder meadow
oof
drifting light
and i fucking had a breakdown when i beat it
elder meadow
i will one day beat this game un
noble seal
same
elder meadow
you know funnnily enough eternal un feels easier
drifting light
eternal is easier
noble seal
eternal is harder for me
drifting light
u got crucible, regenerate chainsaw
elder meadow
flame belch
drifting light
flame belch,
elder meadow
quick armor
meathook
drifting light
blood punch
noble seal
yeah but you don't need those on 2016
drifting light
and the best part?
the bfg is in the weapons circle thing
drifting light
yeah but you don't need those on 2016
makes it extensivly harder without those tho
noble seal
i don't use the weapons circle
elder meadow
dksms
you dont even need to upgrade it completely just get the mod
and bam intant siege mode shot
drifting light
i like better chaingun mod
elder meadow
turret's badass
elder meadow
ye
noble seal
yeah i forgot the right click abilities were called mods
wraith tangle
why play UN at all if you're going to cheat?
fossil basin
why play UN at all if you're going to cheat?
If the game gives you it, it's not cheating, cheating is using alt F4 to load last save if you almost die
And skipping arenas in an unintended way
wraith tangle
That's what they're doing
They are literally saying to close the game (what alt F4 does) before dying
I'm all for skipping areas. That's at least within the game
fossil basin
That's what they're doing
Oh, I thought they were talking about weapon masteries and runes, that's just a regular nightmare run
fossil basin
I'm all for skipping areas. That's at least within the game
skip the entirety of the final level lol
wraith tangle
yeah you can do that jump by the armor. Then lvl2 has that difficult fight by the gore nest that can be jumped around
elder meadow
there is a very very risky no clip in argent dnur that lets you skip to directly to spider mastermind arena
before the first big arena fight
fossil basin
there is a very very risky no clip in argent dnur that lets you skip to directly...
there's a kill plane right next to the jump so when you hop into the arena and you don't make it you instant die
median lance
I left my game at spider mastermind 😂
untold stirrup
rich gets richer
Meh
No space for that when there's superior runes to use
There isn't any need for infinite ammo with 2016's already forgiving ammo amount
still lily
infinite siege mode cheese
fossil basin
just chainsaw
still lily
not like i use it. im just saying why others do
untold stirrup
I can't think of any circumstance where doing siege mode cheese with rgr is better than doing dksms then chainsawing when you're out
At least the chainsawing would break up the monotony
And you have 7 pips of fuel anyway
To me 2016 feels much better to play without rgr but that's just my opinion
still lily
the word pips pisses me off idek why. just a terrible word.
but idk chainsawing i basically just used to kill any enemy i dont wanna deal with. the fuck you button. if anything ammo boost is OP since theoretically infinite bfg 💀
you basically get 1 bfg per arena with that thing
shits busted
untold stirrup
the word pips pisses me off idek why. just a terrible word.
but idk chainsawin...
yeah
if you want to basically speed through the game, equip rgr, ammo boost, and equipment power
spam the bfg/siege mode and use siphon grenades whenever your armor dips below 75
dull kettle
I see this doom more harder after playing doom eternal
little swift
Does anyone actually play 2016's Multiplayer, i heard it's really good and i can't find a game
dull kettle
Does anyone actually play 2016's Multiplayer, i heard it's really good and i can...
Nobody
I only played 10 times in practice mode before nintendo switch online ends
still lily
I see this doom more harder after playing doom eternal
true
elder meadow
I see this doom more harder after playing doom eternal
mostly different keybinds
cold root
I see this doom more harder after playing doom eternal
to me, it's quite the opposite
I played through 2016 for the first time on uv and it was generally fine, but Eternal kicked my ass on hmp
drifting light
I see this doom more harder after playing doom eternal
this is way harder then doom eternal
theres no dash, no blood punch, less healing, no crucible, no regenerating chainsaw, (and theres no queen of england) no climbing, and u have a pistol
the runes are better
and enemies can do 50-all your health damage
elder meadow
Doom 2016 starts harder than eternal but once you get to the midpoint the difficulty drops dramatically assuming you’re utilizing weapon upgrades and runes
drifting light
Doom 2016 starts harder than eternal but once you get to the midpoint the diffic...
mhm
like bro hell knights ARE A PAIN IN THE ASS
cold root
it's honestly weird that a lot of the marketing for 2016 was for the multiplayer mode, instead of the singleplayer which is basically universally praised
it was like as if the developers thought the singleplayer would fail or something
fossil basin
I played through 2016 for the first time on uv and it was generally fine, but Et...
2016 let's you spam the same weapons pretty easily and you don't ever really get punished, but in eternal you have to use pretty much all of the weapons, try using only the gauss cannon and super shotgun in 2016, super easy, but if you try to use only ballista and super shotgun you aren't gonna have a fun time, especially with lower ammo
cold root
yeah I know
fossil basin
In my first play through I used gauss cannon and super shotgun and never really struggled
elder cave
2016 let's you spam the same weapons pretty easily and you don't ever really get...
Gordon you lousy dork
fossil basin
Gordon you lousy dork
Get your DORK ass down to the test chambers
elder cave
Get your DORK ass down to the test chambers
Quit fucking with the microwave
cold root
2016's ammo upgrades are way too forgiving
fossil basin
2016's ammo upgrades are way too forgiving
60 shotgun ammo is busted
cold root
yep
fossil basin
Compared to 24 in eternal
cold root
35 rockets compared to Eternal's 13
fossil basin
So glad that the chainsaw regenerates rather than having you run around picking up ammo
They replaced the chainsaw with the crucible, and I wish it was literally a reskin of the chainsaw, where it'd cost 1 pip to get a little guy, and 5 for a big guy, instead of 1 for each demon
drifting light
They replaced the chainsaw with the crucible, and I wish it was literally a resk...
the crucible is able to kill anyone, at the cost of nothing
(and not bosses)
fossil basin
I wouldve preferred it having more charges, and cost more for heavier demons
Eh the hammer is better anyways
drifting light
like u cant get ammo, it cant regenerate
and it appears in the map
fossil basin
You don't really get many charges
drifting light
theres like
1-2 bfg items in every map at the near end
cold root
in 2016, you have a rune which makes your weapons have unlimited ammo if your armor is above 100 (75 when it's upgraded)
fossil basin
has anyone done a melee only run in doom eternal
cold root
combine that with the rune that makes armor drop when glory killing enemies, you will never run out of ammo
drifting light
has anyone done a melee only run in doom eternal
does melee mean chainsaw, punch and crucible?
drifting light
combine that with the rune that makes armor drop when glory killing enemies, you...
fr fr
the runes are much more forgiving
fossil basin
does melee mean chainsaw, punch and crucible?
Chaingun shield to gib little guys, deal stagger damage to big guys and fire it to stagger enemies from afar, and you can attack while behind the shield
Blood punches obviously for punching and breaking weak points
Regular Dashing without the shield can put fodder into a glory kill state, letting you recharge blood punches
Crucible is just a 1 shot sword
And the hammer is a hammer that'll stun everything so you can chaingun shield blood punch weak points without worry of being hit, and recharge both the hammer and blood punches
drifting light
Chaingun shield to gib little guys, deal stagger damage to big guys and fire it ...
bros gonna struggle in doom hunter 💀
drifting light
icon of sin tho
drifting light
and khan makyr 
fossil basin
Oh would meathook be allowed
fossil basin
icon of sin tho
I just realized you can fire the chaingun shield after it takes damage and it shoots far and deals damage, you can hit the icon of sin, it'd be hard as hell but you can
fossil basin
and ssg is a gun
Chaingun shield comes from a gun, I think it should be allowed
drifting light
idk then
lethal dawn
hi
stiff hull
criminal
halcyon bear
Doom 2016
snow heron
Chaingun shield to gib little guys, deal stagger damage to big guys and fire it ...
This is the 2016 chat so you wouldn’t have Chaingun Shield, Blood Punch, Crucible, or Hammer.
A melee run would be stupid tedious
fossil basin
I know it's the 2016 chat
fossil basin
A melee run would be stupid tedious
Bet it's better than the pistol only
Only advantage with the pistol is range
snow heron
Bet it's better than the pistol only
Pistol only is better then melee only. You get some upgrades for the pistol (even if they suck) and you get a ranged weapon
fossil basin
melee the mastermind
snow heron
random wharf
cold root
it honestly would have been cool seeing the 2016 demons with Eternal’s destructible demons system
especially the bosses, Hell Razers (as they didn’t return) and enemies that were completely changed design-wise like the Possessed
elder meadow
https://youtu.be/ydBJMpLmVRM
waiting for people to do melee only ultra nightmare runs
cold root
the Cacodemons in 2016 seems to be made out of paper
they always explode into a million pieces no matter how they die
it doesn't matter if it's the pistol or bfg that kills them, they always gib
tepid jolt
I imagine them being like balloons that pop
raw hamlet
Is it me or was Doom 2016 a bit short? I feel like it ended when I thought I was in the middle of the game or maybe I stopped playing and deleted it during the middle.
tepid jolt
It’s a full campaign. More specifically it’s a similar length to Eternal’s, albeit with a simpler escalation
still lily
also snapmap for infinite content 
elder meadow
Infinitely mid
vivid sequoia
2016 had the better multiplayer though
drifting light
fr
vivid sequoia
Still willing to go back and screw around in there if and when I can find a match
Eternal’s Battlemode just bores the hell out of me
Soul Harvest is always fun
patent mesa
does eternal have multiplay
sharp blaze
Yes
patent mesa
Damm
halcyon bear
I love multi play
south junco
does eternal have multiplay
Not like this game's mp
still lily
Infinitely mid
bruh you havent even tried it. why are you a hater
yeah all the maps on the front page suck but good stuff is being made now
DE shouldve had parries
ill still never get over how they cut parries from 2016
theres so much internal stuff pointing to parries even some left over effects that went on doomguys arms
named "on parry successful" and shit
devout mist
Who's parry
still lily
the platypus? or the well timed riposte of an enemies attack?
elder meadow
perry the platypus
tropic compass
named "on parry successful" and shit
that sounds incredibly interesting. i had no idea about that- makes me wish we got it in d2016, i would've definitely enjoyed it a lot more if we did
cold root
Who's parry
Doofenshmirtz' arch-rival
covert harbor
Can someon help me because I have a problem in the game and can't fix it
It's basicly that I accindentily set the brightnes of the game to extreamly low and I don't know how to change it
Oh I found the soulution so for anyone who has the same problem you have to trun gamma up in settings
still lily
that sounds incredibly interesting. i had no idea about that- makes me wish we g...
luckily you could always make a snapmap with it. but yeah. maybe theres enough to restore it. ive just seen fx. it seemed pretty late in development tbh
drifting light
remember them secret classic levels
remember those cool things in doom 3
oh
well there were cool things in doom 3
and judging by the name
egg meant easter egg probably
so they brought those cool things
yes
made another cool thing
boom
the doomslayer is dark vaders father
hasty walrus
do you guys know what is the best game mode to find some online matches?
tepid jolt
You’ll probably need to coordinate with friends or something. Online matchmaking is super dead
slim pebble
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-cADOVt6nPY
The force?
cold root
yes
fossil basin
stark cypress
Hear me out
Whenever you find a gore nest, start playing "sunshine lollipops and rainbows", it'll make it way more fun
sturdy cobalt
BFG DIVISION DE BEST SONG
elder meadow
Misclick
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1095099048421228587/1113947023...
just double jump before you land lmao
wooden gorge
I keep noclipping under the map and dying and once i clipped inside if a box and had to restart
I saw it happen to someone else in yt
still lily
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1095144060102135868/1114063120340623410...
ok. what were you even trying to do. epic fail. die
fossil basin
ok. what were you even trying to do. epic fail. die
It was a misclick
I didn't mean to fire and it pushed be backwards of the platform
still lily
you woulda lived but u jumped off
elder meadow
gauss recoil
still lily
he landed on a platform but panicked and jumpped off lol
drifting light
bro 2016s imps are fucking dangerous
abstract isle
In the early game on UN I would avoid glory kills because of the number of imps that fireballed me after the animation ends
elder meadow
this is why i equip savagery for latrr levels
cold root
I can't think of any 2016 enemy other than Imps and Hell Knights that are more dangerous than their Eternal counterparts
cold root
the Possessed look really cool and gross
their skin is overgrown, they are missing their eyes and their clothing/armor is fused to their skin
they look unique in regards to being a Zombie enemy
the Possessed Scientist's glory killing the player animation is just really unnerving
still lily
they looked a bit cartoony but i liked it enough
2016 hell knights is pretty much peak design
why change it bruh it was perfection
cold root
2016 Imps look more colorful compared to Eternal ones
I liked the Fireborne Barons but the 2016 Baron is very much a 3d version of the og
drifting light
the glory kills are much more detailed
elder meadow
Finally acquired the BFG 9000 last night. At first I didn’t know what to do, but I figured out you had to shoot the red things near the lasers
halcyon bear
It's funny because I feel like every first play through I hear the same issue
boreal stirrup
same thing
alpine mortarBOT
I hope this helps you to understand why we limit memes so heavily in this community.
winter stream
It doesn't and never will.
But then again, I see content moderation in general as an immoral practice of censorship
atomic horizon
Why did VEGA suddenly mention reasons not having memes all of a sudden?
winter stream
Probably because the context has been purged from the chat
elder meadow
vega gay
solid pasture
Why did VEGA suddenly mention reasons not having memes all of a sudden?
it's automated
atomic horizon
Yeah but shouldn’t it trigger when somebody asks why memes aren’t allowed?
winter stream
the bot is most likely set up to have that message sent on a moderator/admin command
solid pasture
the bot is most likely set up to have that message sent on a moderator/admin com...
It is. But the command gets deleted, so there's never really any context.
acoustic sapphire
BFG DIVISION DE BEST SONG<:MaledictPog:910317951511572480>
skullhacker and transistor fist are underrated if you haven't checked them out yet :))
fossil island
It doesn't and never will.
But then again, I see content moderation in general a...
Because i send the command. Jesus christ.
Touch some grass if its that big of a deal in your life that you cant post memes here.
We have rules for a reason not because we hate fun.
winter stream
yeah and those reasons are not good.
I personally don't have any reason to post memes here, the rules just leave a bad taste in my mouth
especially when it results in a modding showcase video getting removed for including ultrakill music but gigachad videos get a pass for some reason
still lily
Because i send the command. Jesus christ.
Touch some grass if its that big of a...
reasons: we hate fun
winter stream
elder meadow
goddang
elder meadow
what is the snapmap difficulty set to
feels like hmp
still lily
idk? its fully customizable and difficult to translate because some damage models are different and its just irrelevant really.
just compare imp fireball damage
at like 100% (defualt) damage itd be the only way to see really
elder meadow
no like whats the default
devout mist
Most literate doom fan
elder meadow
most illiterate doom fan
odd holly
i just beat the game with no field drones, no arsenal upgrades, no praetor suit upgrades and no argent cells on nightmare mode
it was quite the challenge haha
elder meadow
Can someone explain the beginning of Doom 2016
still lily
i just beat the game with no field drones, no arsenal upgrades, no praetor suit ...
nice. now do it UN. >:)
snow heron
Can someone explain the beginning of Doom 2016
You break out of the sarcophagus you where sealed inside.
That’s the least of it anyway
elder meadow
I’ve only played 2016 and eternal
I just started playing 1993 finishing doom 2 and about to start doom 3
snow heron
I’ve only played 2016 and eternal
So in your original message where you asking for a lore related question to the beginning of 2016?
elder meadow
Yeah of how tf he ends up there chained up
snow heron
Yeah of how tf he ends up there chained up
After the fall of Argent D’Nur. Doomguy was cast back into Hell where he first started being called the Doom Slayer. Hell couldn’t kill him so the Hell Priests made a plan and dropped a temple on Doomguy. Then they chained him up and sealed him.
winter stream
no like whats the default
Probably Hurt Me Plenty
Snapmap doesn't apply any difficulty-based modifiers, so it would be whatever difficulty doesn't use enemy damage modifiers in campaign
elder meadow
After the fall of Argent D’Nur. Doomguy was cast back into Hell where he first s...
Thankyou. What game shows this
winter stream
This game. It's told through the hell tablets you interact with in hell
proud jasper
Hello
elder meadow
This game. It's told through the hell tablets you interact with in hell
Thanks
elder meadow
I’m stuck on the 2nd part of the Cyberdemon boss fight.
halcyon bear
This game. It's told through the hell tablets you interact with in hell
Testaments are neat
elder meadow
painfully waiting for an online match
halcyon bear
It's worth it
cold root
apparently, if you shoot a Cacodemon in only the eye, it fires projectiles in random directions before exploding
halcyon bear
apparently, if you shoot a Cacodemon in only the eye, it fires projectiles in ra...
Ya works with the pistol
It's a rare death animation
fossil basin
apparently, if you shoot a Cacodemon in only the eye, it fires projectiles in ra...
Oh cool
elder meadow
Doom 2016 multiplayer was very good! I'm on Xbox so haven't played it in a long time, could never find games. Eternal multiplayer sucks, it's fun for a little bit but feels like a side mode away from an actual multiplayer mode
little swift
True
elder meadow
mp maps are awesome
elder meadow
fucking cant mod this game
have to reinstall it now cuz fucking devmode is enabled
im mad as shit
drifting light
2016 was really good
and it multiplayer holy crap
i never found a server when it died
winter stream
fucking cant mod this game
have to reinstall it now cuz fucking devmode is enabl...
that is not necessary
what tool were you using to mod the game?
elder meadow
i think ye
winter stream
are you using DOOMLauncher to launch the game with mods?
elder meadow
yep
winter stream
then it should not be running in devmode
elder meadow
hmhm
cedar trellis
Does anybody here still play doom multiplayer?
tardy apex
Me
vivid sequoia
I do
elder meadow
count me in
still lily
active globally tho. like im sure that wasn't the case on xbox or whatever
elder meadow
pc
cedar trellis
Cant find a match in multiplayer at all