doom-2016

[halcyon bear]

Definitely give it a go. It's cheap and worth your time

[still lily]

it really isnt

i saw a playthrough ive seen enough

flashgame worthy

not for me

[halcyon bear]

I hate fools that have these crazy opinions and just watched some skids playthrough

Lame af

[still lily]

usually i always try a game before ragging on it but i can immediately tell i wont enjoy it so why bother. Never had i said its bad. It looks lame to me. it wouldnt scare me. Im not wasting my money.

i could literally make something better in snapmap with modding. like no joke.

i dont see the appeal

[snow heron]

Then do it. Make a better atmospheric horror game in SnapMap.

[still lily]

i got enough on my plate but sure

wont be hard to out-do

[snow heron]

Alright then. I’ll be waiting

[still lily]

pfft itll be awhile. I got tons of projects ughhh

let alone modding ventures

[snow heron]

Understandable

[still lily]

on top of being lazy. But. i know damn well its possible

[snow heron]

I’ll still be waiting though

[still lily]

cool

[elder meadow]

Lol

[still lily]

easily could

ur just ignorant i dont blame you. you have no idea. probably still think of snapmap of how it was on launch

[elder meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/vaush-soy-soyjak-soy-face-numale-gif-21991008

[still lily]

https://tenor.com/view/leon-kennedy-resident-evil-re4-dies-dies-from-cringe-gif-26283396

[untold stirrup]

You gotta stop feeding him bruh

[still lily]

i dont wanna feed marty stratton sorry i think you're mistaken

[solar sky]

LEOOOOn

[cold root]

just imagine playing 2016 like it's Eternal

constantly chainsawing everything to get ammo and quickswapping

[halcyon bear]

Alot of people do that. 2016 created it. Personally i don't though. But some do

[cold root]

it would be more fun for sure

when I get back to 2016, I will play it like it's Eternal, intentionally keeping my ammo counts low

[elder meadow]

i play 2016 like its eternal

makes the game ez

[cold root]

geez

[elder meadow]

but un is still hard

[cold root]

play Eternal like it's 2016

[elder meadow]

no dash

no meathook
no ammo

[cold root]

which basically means death in most scenarios

[elder meadow]

yes

[cold root]

when I first played Eternal, I obviously played it like it's 2016

[elder meadow]

same

[cold root]

the results were predictable

[elder meadow]

yes lol
many deaths
i even forgot i had dash

[cold root]

I spent a lot of time running around than killing enemies, I used the same 2 weapons etc

[elder meadow]

hah relatable

[cold root]

compared to Eternal, 2016 feels like a game for babies

[elder meadow]

true you can shred so hard

[cold root]

with slower movement and using the same 2 weapons on everything working fine

seriously I mostly just used the super shotgun and gauss cannon

[elder meadow]

if you are good enough at switchin between all your arsenal
you become untouchable

[cold root]

combine that with rich get richer, the game becomes a cakewalk

[elder meadow]

later levels are seriously a joke

[halcyon bear]

Rich get richer is for people with no honor

[elder meadow]

can still die to imp fireball

[elder meadow]

lol i hate the rune

[cold root]

rich get richer is like a cheat that is an unlockable

just imagine id keeping it in Eternal

[elder meadow]

would rather use equipment power

[cold root]

I still like 2016, but ngl, Eternal really makes it look like a game for babies

I'd say though, 2016 has the better glory kills

punching, crushing and kicking enemies feels more satisfying than stabbing or slicing them

[elder meadow]

not to mention the gks on the slayer

[cold root]

that too

I feel like most Eternal enemies look better than their 2016 versions

partly due to them resembling their classic counterparts

[elder meadow]

nah i like the 2016 demons more
the baron looks scary at least
and the hell knight with no eyes looks scary as hell

[cold root]

poor Hell Razer, the only non-boss new demon in 2016 that didn't appeared in Eternal

meanwhile, Summoners appeared as ghosts and even the mp-exclusive Prowler appears as an enemy in the campaign

[elder meadow]

they replaced summomers with the best demon
archvile

[cold root]

though I like Eternal Soldiers more, I think Possessed Soldiers look awesome and horrifying

same with the normal Possessed

I wish Possessed Security had a distinct look though, their model is just the normal Soldier with no any changes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465235452148842518/1102273781566820392/Resim1.png

it's like as if Zombiemen and Shotgun Guys had the same sprites

[halcyon bear]

Very true

[untold stirrup]

Basically me lol

[still lily]

no

[elder meadow]

Who

[elder meadow]

Possessed zombies are cool I don’t care for the soldiers though

[winter stream]

I think they did in concept art, but it never carried over to the final game

[elder meadow]

Doom 64 type beat

[cold root]

they actually DO have different sprites, but it's hard to see due to how dark the game is

[elder meadow]

They have different pant colors but it’s so minor that it’s almost impossible to notice in gameplay

Some of the new designs are downgrades but most of them I like just as much if not more

The only ones I think were noticeably worse are the earth zombies, revenants, and to a lesser degree hell knights

[still lily]

yeah

[cold root]

the earth zombies actually look cute ngl

especially the one playing with the Slayer's toys in the ending

[elder meadow]

[cold root]

the Possessed are really disgusting

their skin is overgrown and they in general are so gross

they make the Eternal zombies look like normal humans

[elder meadow]

I’m not a huge fan of the melted cheese aesthetic the possessed had but their heads were really cool

[cold root]

just looking at this mf makes me want to vomit

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465235452148842518/1102302230662623324/THE_POSSESSED.png

Eternal's Zombies are normal humans compared to him

[halcyon bear]

Well eternals zombies are actually possessed these were UAC employees that were melted by a wave of argent hell energy and transformed

[cold root]

and apparently they existed before the invasion too

[snow heron]

I think this design was good. Shows how Hell has corrupted and mutilated the UAC employees.

[elder meadow]

2016 zombies > Eternal Zombies
2016 soldiers < Eternal Soldiers
2016 shield guys < Eternal shield guys
2016 Imps < Eternal Imps
2016 caco’s < Eternal caco’s
2016 Hell Knights > Eternal hk’s
2016 Mancubi/Cybers < Eternal Mancubi
2016 Revenants > Eternal Revenants
2016 Barons = Eternal Barons
Summoners < Archviles
Cyberdemon < Tyrant
Arachnotrons are peak

Arachnotrons were so derpy in doom 2 and I didn’t love their design in 64. Eternals is basically perfect imho.

[halcyon bear]

I like 2016s barons more honestly

But I agree with the rest

[elder meadow]

also the eternal mancubus looks ugly

but its based off of original design so eh

[tepid jolt]

I like the 2016 Manc more visually but the Eternal one is way more fun to fight

[elder meadow]

I get the appeal for the 2016 Mancubi but I just prefer eternals

Love how butt ugly they are and they don’t look too alien

Plus extra points for staying true to the og sprite

[cold root]

2016 Mancubi just look very different than the other ones imo

in fact, Doom 3 Mancubus looks like the classic one more than 2016 Mancubus does to me

[elder meadow]

3’s Mancubi are really cool

[cold root]

cthulhu face

[elder meadow]

i love the thicc

I like the fleshy breathing apparatus they have dangling from their face

[cold root]

apparently the 2016 Mancubi are a subspecies

[elder meadow]

Plus the extra bit of world building by having them be born from Vagaries

Doom 3 had a lot of fire demons

Honestly

[cold root]

fire demons?

[elder meadow]

Fire in like good

[tepid jolt]

The 2016 mancs are so derpy and I love them

[elder meadow]

Not literally fire

[cold root]

I liked Wraiths and Maggots

[elder meadow]

Same

[cold root]

Wraith is the og Prowler

[elder meadow]

Looks a lot like the gargoyle without the wings as well

To me at least

[tepid jolt]

My favorite Doom 3 design is the cherubs by virtue of how damn creepy they are

[elder meadow]

Cherubs are awesome because that’s straight up a biblical monster

Half baby half insect? Fuck that

[cold root]

I wish the new id team used the new Doom 3 demons for nuDoom games. they make a ton of references to Doom 3, but don't actually use stuff from it

[wise cape]

that's the sad reality of modern Doom

[elder meadow]

Hell Knights were kind of brought back but that’s really it

[cold root]

Tentacle Commandos could work in the modern Doom games

[elder meadow]

Those guys were the bane of my existence until I learned how to crouch dodge

[wise cape]

I'd imagine them swinging around like monkeys

[tepid jolt]

Maggots are neat but I don’t think they’d mesh well with modern Doom. Mostly because the pinkies and Hell Knights already do something similar

[cold root]

Prowlers have the role of Wraiths so I don't think those guys would work unless if they are completely changed

[elder meadow]

Yup maggots were meant to be fast and aggressive compared to the imps while modern doom has countless demons that will rush you

[cold root]

in regards to Ticks and Trites, I imagine them running all over the place, clinging on walls and constantly spitting acid at you

[tepid jolt]

Cherubs could be neat as an ambush demon. Vagaries would be awesome with some minor tweaks to be promotional material friendly

[elder meadow]

We can have double cheeked up Icon of Sin but not a little booba?

[cold root]

could Dread Knights be considered the nuDoom version of Bruisers?

[tepid jolt]

Bruisers are kinda their own thing

[elder meadow]

I still don’t get what’s going on with that mouth tv

[tepid jolt]

Maybe punishment for something

[wise cape]

funny thing about that screen: originally it was suppost to be a trick. Basically it would've presented itself as a regular screen you could interact with, only for the bruiser to reveal themselves

[halcyon bear]

In alot of instances hell is starting to fuse with the UAC base so it makes sense if some beings start to have mutations like that

[cold root]

Bruisers are like something in-between Mancubi and Hell Knights, and I always thought Dread Knights were the closest thing to a nuDoom version of them

I like how the Possessed and Zombies are barely changed from their Doom 3 versions, which obviously makes them a joke due to the faster pace of 2016 and Eternal

[tepid jolt]

The thing about Bruisers that stands out to me is how little time they take between shots.

The zombies are usually a joke in Doom 3 as well

[river wing]

Vega core in nightmare is literally a nightmare guys

[halcyon bear]

What are you having issues with there ??

[elder meadow]

Doom 3 had the best zombies

[halcyon bear]

Someone's working on a mod where the zombies could be destructible

[sand siren]

what

[tepid jolt]

Aren’t they already destructible?

[solar sky]

im fucked

just died 5 times on argent fighjt lol

why does this game keep getting harder

[elder meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-by-that-druski-gif-20560325

[halcyon bear]

Shooting limbs off destruction damage and so on

[humble shadow]

How am I suppose to get online trophies when i can't even find a Match 💀

I for real hate it when they add online trophies for offline games

[still lily]

lol. not like doom is an offline game. but yeah pvp achivments are annoying.

[slim pebble]

I wonder what a Lost Soul's host looks like

[slim pebble]

And the regular ones didn't all look the same unlike in other games.

[elder meadow]

funny how lost souls are like creepers

[cold root]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_0IYZnKkSss&pp=ygUQZG9vbSAyMDE2IHJldmlldw%3D%3D

"Doom is at its peak when you're managing your resources, juggling weapon ammo, chainsaw fuel, BFG cells, etc."

dude really predicted Eternal's gameplay

[fathom drum]

My son and I still play Doom 2016

[proper ermine]

Major W

[fathom drum]

Does anyone here still do Battlemode on the original doom?

[elder meadow]

I'll play with you :)

[fathom drum]

Awesome 😎. Let’s figure out a time to meet or you can add me as a friend

Neil&Luel is the profile name

[elder meadow]

wait do you play on pc?

I only have doom 2016 on pc and switch

@fathom drum

[fathom drum]

I use Switch

[bright pine]

I have it on Xbox

I actually have every doom game on my Xbox

[elder meadow]

I see, send me your friend code

[halcyon bear]

You have doom rpg on x box ? Jk

[bright pine]

No I meant all the console games

Doom 1-3, doom 64, doom 2016 and eternal

[halcyon bear]

Soild !

[solar sky]

argent facility done

damn this one was quite challenging too.

got triple rockets mod for rocket launcher so W

[elder meadow]

next level is the best level in the game

[cold root]

kadingir sanctum is amazing

[solar sky]

wdym best

[elder meadow]

i dont wanna spoil but

you climb a tower while fighting demons

and it has some of my favorite fights in the game

[cold root]

come on Blazar he probably knows what is in the end of the level

[elder meadow]

ye lol

but wait i think he is new

it has such a cool aesthetic

||you start off away from the tower
get your equipment
reach the tower, and begin the climb
the first fight is at the bottom of the tower that introduces mancubi
the second one takes place at the middle of the tower with the beam in the middle
and the final one taking place at the very top of the argent tower
the best fight in the game with bfg division playing and a countdown timer till you teleport to hell
all while kicking demon ass||

got too excited

[cold root]

the Hell Razer is a really underrated enemy. it's like the Chaingunner in a way

its beam attack is quite cool

[elder meadow]

both hitscanners lol

[cold root]

except you can avoid the Hell Razer's beam by moving away as he fires

[elder meadow]

but you can kill him before he even attacks

[cold root]

lmao yeah

sadly they don't do anything most of the time, just running around

[elder meadow]

also his lazer thing is also used by spider mastermind

[cold root]

the Hell Razer is a variant of the Possessed Soldiers 100%

[elder meadow]

from hell

damn i need to read my codices

[cold root]

they are created from a parasite infesting a body

Hell Guard moment

[elder meadow]

yes

[cold root]

and they also have the same glory kill animations and the Razers even count towards the Variety is the Spice of Death II challenge

[solar sky]

so game gets more harder

ah how nice.

[elder meadow]

yes it is a hard one

[cold root]

I died quite a few times during the climbing up the tower parts

platforming in fps games 🤢

[elder meadow]

ye that is why i like 2016 more cuz almost no platforming

only that level and its pretty cool so i dont mind

[cold root]

Eternal's platforming isn't bad tbh

in fact, I think it's done right

[halcyon bear]

It's not that bad at all and I'm not even a platforming fan a bit

[solar sky]

why does our guy hates samuel hayden

[elder meadow]

Goofy ah doomguy and hayden

But deep down they both know they need each other's help

The platforming is decent fun I like it

Doom eternals combat just feels so much better than 2016’s it’s crazy

it is very overwhelming even though ive played eternal a lot
2016 doesnt have 919484 equipments weapons and mods goin on

sometimes i just wanna lay back
fire a rocket and blow up some demons

Hi guys

I'm new

sup sans

[elder meadow]

not to say i hate doom eternal
not at all
i just like this game more

[cold root]

both are good games

they are good in their own ways

[elder meadow]

absolutely

I guess I get wanted something more laid back, although I feel like you could get the same thing in DE on like I’m too young to die

Or even HMP since you can ignore a lot of the sweat strats and still have fun

[cold root]

sweat strats

[elder meadow]

Yeah

[cold root]

sweating

[elder meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-sweating-sweating-bullets-sweating-gif-17507069

sweaty gameplay

doom eternal sweats my seat

[cold root]

2016 seems to be more gory compared to Eternal

not to mention the more gross looking demons

[elder meadow]

makes it more scarier

FOR THE DEMONS

[cold root]

lmao

you fooled me

[elder meadow]

hah

[cold root]

''Doom 2016 and Doom 3 are both horror games, but in 2016, you are the horror''

I saw that type of comments quite a lot

[elder meadow]

lol yea

there are some actual horror snapmaps tho

scary as shit

[winter stream]

There would be some visual indication they are afraid of you if that were really the case

[cold root]

which demons in Eternal do show in their glory kill animations

[elder meadow]

have you seen the look on the imp's face when its bout to get its head smashed off

[winter stream]

But that's just impending death

[elder meadow]

shit's funny

the first imp you meet really aint afraid of you till he gets his ass blown up

[cold root]

both Pain Elemental and Arch-Vile clearly show fear as you are glory killing them

[elder meadow]

yea

[winter stream]

I'm thinking in terms of there being some sense that they're only fighting you because they are forced to, despite how terrified they are like grunts from halo

[elder meadow]

ye same

[cold root]

I don't think other DE enemies show this obvious fear in their glory kill animations though

[elder meadow]

and the fact that the demons cant attack you during a glory kill because theyre scared

[halcyon bear]

I heard it was a scream of fear

[sharp blaze]

I mean how would YOU react if the doomslayer was about to pulverize your skull

[atomic horizon]

in horror games you’re trapped with the demons but in DOOM the demons are trapped with you!
(you can’t just shoot a hole to the surface of mars)

DOOM music intensifies

rip and tear!

[elder meadow]

all doom memes in a nutshell

[keen star]

This, this right here, is a mood...

[atomic horizon]

did you know that Isabelle and Doomguy are best friends?! that’s some super wholesome keanu moment

[solar sky]

hes like dont destroy the power source

[elder meadow]

doomguy be like fuck it lets destroy his shit

oh vega

[winter stream]

Vega when 3 emojis

[winter stream]

Mortally challenged I'm so funny

[elder meadow]

haha

[vernal slate]

🐔🐧🐦

[halcyon bear]

Plus he's basically myth at this point no demon has seen him for thousands of Years

[elder meadow]

Ehhhhh

[still lily]

depends on what you look at. eternal is definitely much more cartoony

[snow heron]

Dude I’d be scared if I saw a 6ft 8 man decked out in a suit of armor running towards me regardless if I knew he was the Slayer or not

[halcyon bear]

I like how doomguy / slayers height is all over the place. Shit changes every day

[snow heron]

A quick Google search said 6’8 so I’m just rolling with that for now even if that is really inaccurate

[halcyon bear]

Some say he's just 6 some say it's 6 2 .. I use the official scale now because it's annoying

[snow heron]

Even if he isn’t actually 6’8 if I saw a 6ft dude decked out in a suit of armor running towards me I’d be scared

[halcyon bear]

https://imgur.com/a/1qhDyWd

Here's what should be used

He's hitting about 6 feet here

[snow heron]

Sounds about right

[halcyon bear]

6 2 sorry

[snow heron]

Yeah that’s probably a lot closer then 6’8

[slim pebble]

The forest-like environment in the Gore Nest's orb looks like the Blood Swamps

[tight crescent]

It is much more gory though, no need for doubt hahah.

[elder meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-though-thor-smile-gif-13334930

2016 has a little more blood I guess (can’t tell if it’s just the lighting), but the glory kills in both are very violent

Honestly I think Eternals are generally more creative

[tepid jolt]

The gore level is roughly the same. Doom 2016 splashes more blood around, but it’s kills are very “they spray blood everywhere and maybe don’t have a head” while Eternal’s make what’s happening a lot clearer, and what’s happening is pretty gruesome

[elder meadow]

Lots of eyes and body parts being removed

Also not a glory kill but the ballista’s special attack that splits demons in half is brutal

[halcyon bear]

https://youtube.com/shorts/3K-jap4mzio?feature=share

Why the imps fear doom slayer In 2016

[halcyon bear]

Fucking A

[tepid jolt]

Back when the chaingun was consistently useful

[halcyon bear]

And didn't need a shield

[lament girder]

i just lost another UN run to a shitty platform jump in kadingir to those shitty mario like rock platforms that raise up to form a path that are COMPLETELY fucking unnecessary

now anytime anyone gives eternal shit for the platforming 'at least it was diegetic in 2016' 1) no it fucking wasnt, and 2) it sucks because the collision detection is fucking atrocious

'ooooh eternal just like mario oooh spinning blade, platforming no me gusta' all the hell levels in your favorite game play like a mario 3 level dummy

god i'm so pissed. i had double trouble and mobile siege unlocked already

[elder meadow]

man i feel you

i just jump on them when theyre raising so i have no chance of falling

at least you didnt die in argent tower so thats that

[lament girder]

fucking god thats the thing, i thought i'd do that too, but then i'd risk the game pulling some janky shit and killing me before i touched the platform or as soon as i touched it or whatever

[elder meadow]

it does happen sometimes ye
you get phased through the platform

[lament girder]

argent tower i understand. like it creates tension and is one of the strong arguments in favor of the platforming in 2016 but even then the collision still sucks ass AND you die by fall damage instead of being punished by way of starting all over again

[tepid jolt]

I don’t mind the platforming, but falling out of bounds being an instakill is a bit much.

[lament girder]

point being the platforming at least in the hell levels of 2016 are MUCH WORSE than any level in eternal

at least eternal doesn't kill you and the monkey bars work 100% of the time as does mantling

[elder meadow]

i think kadingir is the only level with such platforming but it sucks yes

[lament girder]

and you won't phase through platforms yeah

there's bottomless pits in the later levels that make no fucking sense and others just kill you ending your UN run if you slip up because fuck you i guess

[tepid jolt]

Doom has always done platforming sections but people conveniently forget how it affects the early titles

[lament girder]

like if you miss the train jump on i am vega then whoop de doo time to restart

[elder meadow]

unforgiving game
maybe this is why people feel eternal un is easiet

cuz at least you dont fucking die instantly

[lament girder]

i honestly abhor the '2016 better because muh realism' argument so fucking much. the game teeters between being organic and cartoony at a moments notice but apparently no one notices. like 90% of the enemy designs are dopey as shit and the hell levels look like out of castle greyskull and are full of shitty platform segments but its okay because oooo game look serious oooo

[elder meadow]

there are also a few air death triggers in argent dnur

[lament girder]

sorry for venting just

[elder meadow]

i get it lol its a un run

[lament girder]

sorry everyone i'll jump back in

[still lily]

platforming just sucks.

in doom

[lament girder]

also +1 on the platforming sucking on earlier doom games also

[snow heron]

The platforming in 2016 and Eternal isn't that bad

[lament girder]

fucking the chasm

[tepid jolt]

I’ll take platforming over walking through an empty hallway any day

[still lily]

2016 platforming is easy but minorly annoying. they added way more in eternal for some reason just felt like a waste of time

[tepid jolt]

I value platforming as a break from the combat, but it needs to be relatively easy for that to work

[elder meadow]

when you accidentally railboost into the void:

[still lily]

idk first person platforming has only been done well in like a few games imo. And doom isnt one of them

[tepid jolt]

I disagree but I get why people don’t like it in Doom

[still lily]

Celeste pfps when they platform in any game. "im platformmmingg!!!"

[lament girder]

its easier when it works but shit when the game decides not to register you hoisting yourself up a ledge for whatever reason
also the argument that its better because its diegetic holds no water when 90% of it in 2016 takes place in the hell levels that are by logic not attained to any form of realism

[tepid jolt]

I agree with the not working in most first person games part

[lament girder]

the only time it feels 'organic' outside of that is argent tower which is less platforming and more just following a game of 'follow the green light'

and again is smeared by the fact the aforementioned ledge grabbing detection is hot asss

[still lily]

appeal to realism will always be stupid unless the game is trying to be realistic (doom is not) but i do perfer the gritty aesthetics. It shouldn't be an instant kill, but its rather easy to avoid. Platforming never scared me in UN tbh it was just hard encouters i remembered.

[lament girder]

thats fine too, i like the gritty aspects of eternal too but when it comes to platforming both games leave a lot to be desired just in general

2016 is way too unforgiving and feels random while eternal is too easy and also feels random and tacked on

[still lily]

they just need to find something more fun to do with downtime like idk. super turbo turkey puncher lmao

[tepid jolt]

I honestly think Hell levels should be weirder than they are. I like when Hell feels like a massive mindfuck instead of just volcanic activity with the occasional gothic keep

While Dusk’s 3rd episode isn’t actually set in Hell, that’s definitely the vibe I want in Hell levels

[lament girder]

they should bring traps back. eternal had shittons of traps but none are really deadly because 1) 1ups exist, 2) they're only relegated to the hell levels AGAIN and 3) they're very easy to sort out

crushers shouldve been used more

[tepid jolt]

Yeah traps are great.

[lament girder]

classic doom utilized traps to great effect and forced you to be on your toes at all times
especially 64

[tepid jolt]

I like how in classic Doom half the fights are ambushes so while you feel badass you also feel incredibly vulnerable and the Hell levels in particular feel like the land itself is hostile towards you

[lament girder]

they were well integrated into the levels as well and didnt feel out of place because the spaces you inhabited were never aiming to portray realism in any way

[tepid jolt]

Yup. An abstract kind of Hell. It’s great for making Hell feel suitably oppressive and suffocating

[lament girder]

there's a nasty trap in e2m6 (iirc) that involves locking you into a room with a bunch of imps and lost souls and a crusher behind you that would kill you if you backpedaled into it

it was great

too bad newcomers to the series would complain because noooo you can't have traps noooo doom is about the power fantasy adjksjfdf

[elder meadow]

lol

[tepid jolt]

Doom 1’s level design is very dungeon-crawly and I really miss that. I especially love how you feel like an underdog even when you have more than enough resources to win because of the level design and how lethal combat is

2016 occasionally does a little bit of that but Eternal just doesn’t

[elder meadow]

eternal might have more traps but they dont insta kill

so many crushers

[tepid jolt]

More to the point, they’re comically easy to avoid. They’re more relevant as tools for demon slaying than as hazards half the time

[elder meadow]

ye

you can wall over lava lol and it doesnt even do much damage
try walkin on lava in 2016 and you become terminator

[tepid jolt]

Traps don’t necessarily need to instakill, but they should at least hit hard enough and should be sneaky enough to force players to be careful and pay attention to the environment

[elder meadow]

yep

[elder meadow]

doom eternal is that fantasy lol
you cant instantly die falling into the void

and no fall damage

because bro turned into "slayer"

[tepid jolt]

2016 with greatly toned down (or outright removed) upgrades, more dungeon crawler esque level design, and a “pistol start” game mode would pretty much be the perfect Doom game for me personally.

[lament girder]

my point was that the platforming at least was fucking functional and didnt poise any issue because the game wouldn't kill you completely arbitrarily

2016's platforming is just as unnecessary and a worse offender considering you can become unstoppable with just a couple upgrades while the enemies remain as dumb and slow as ever. but failing a single jump can wipe you out which is hilarious

[elder meadow]

lolol true

[tepid jolt]

I do appreciate that it gibs you if you die that way

[elder meadow]

splat

[cold root]

yeah

I actually really like it when games have cartoony graphics, so colorful

Serious Sam 2 moment

[still lily]

appeals to the dying attention span of the human race

[cold root]

the cartoony graphics and sounds, lives, the secrets and even the gameplay makes Eternal feel like an arcade game

[still lily]

not a fan

personally

[elder meadow]

why does no one talk about 2016's arcade mode its such a good time killer

[still lily]

its decent enough.

neat.

[elder meadow]

yes

if only doom eternal also had arcade mode

would be fun
good for practice

i honestly only got gud at the game practicing in arcade mode

[cold root]

I actually didn’t try it out yet

[elder meadow]

what da heeeeelll

[cold root]

I really didn’t

[tight crescent]

I actually haven’t started it yet hahah, would want to get the achievements on it and it involves getting all medals in a single run which could be bit tough.

[elder meadow]

right

its actually not that difficult

getting all medals in a single chain wouldve been more

i think ive played more arcade mode than the campaign itself

[reef ice]

There's one big criticism I can levy against doom 2016
And it's the platforming

First person platforming is almost never pleasant

Particularly over instant death pits

[cold root]

true

[elder meadow]

i mean cant argue

[reef ice]

That's why I love the Forge so much

Cause it ain't got no insta death platforming

It's just you
In a room
With a bunch'a demons

[elder meadow]

i guess the insta death thing in 2016 is a beauty of its own
you literally cant afford 1 single mistake because how would you spawn back after falling into the void
but i maybe talking realism here cuz i can see it being really annoying

who doesnt love a flawless run

i think the devs even added a mchanism where if you miss the jump by a few inches you instantly get back up on the platform so its less annoying
which people now exploit for railboost

[elder meadow]

It’s fun I’m sorry

It’s almost never difficult just something easy to engage with between combat

[elder meadow]

I LOVE GRITTY REALISM ITS SO REAL WOOOAAAAAHHHH

https://tenor.com/view/powerbyredbullb-ser-gregor-washington-papa-meme-man-legonosi-unk_unk-gif-25111270

[elder meadow]

Brown colors much realism

[still lily]

i just perfer darker aesthetics. no need to sperg out.

[elder meadow]

I just prefer these balls in your jaw

welcome to another episode of
cyber bullying

[still lily]

yum bauls good man

[cold root]

I would like getting some help with 2016’s mp achievements

last time I tried to get them none of them unlocked lol

[elder meadow]

i wish i could help but i dont have my pc with me rn

even i need em lol

[halcyon bear]

That's a grind man. Just need to keep trying at different times

[elder meadow]

ah yes

[cold root]

20 of the game's 54 achievements are mp related geez

[elder meadow]

the prowler one is annoying

multiplayer achievemdnts are a bad ide

[cold root]

of course

singleplayer fps games that have multiplayer modes have grindy mp achievements in the worst ways you can imagine

[elder meadow]

and 2016 is one of them right

MP achievements being required for platinum is so lame

TLOU had the same shit I hate it

10 kills with a prowler what da hell

The harvester returning in eternal would’ve been neat

the guys all use vortex rifles and intantly shoot you you cant even kill em

its so hard

[cold root]

''kill 10 players in a specific way'', ''win hundreds of matches''

it's so tedious as hell

[elder meadow]

ye man

It’s like these devs forget that MP’s eventually die

[cold root]

Serious Sam HD has an achievement for killing 100 different players

[elder meadow]

bruv

[cold root]

yeah, you heard that right

[elder meadow]

i think i might never platinum 2016 or eternal

[cold root]

killing a hundred different players

[elder meadow]

you cant even farm your friend lol

dats crazy annoying

[halcyon bear]

Fucking loved that design man and that name

[elder meadow]

harvester
harvests your SOUL

Honestly kinda surprised it wasn’t reused for TaG

[cold root]

the Harvester sure would work as a campaign enemy

it's hard to believe that in 3 more years, it will mark as a decade since this Doom game released

[elder meadow]

oh shi

what the hell this game 7 years old already

im so late lol

[cold root]

yeah, it is

funnily enough, when I finished 2016, I considered it my favourite Doom game, but after I finished Eternal, that game became my favourite in the series

[elder meadow]

i love both but 2016 has a really special place in my heart ngl best game ever

[halcyon bear]

💯

[cold root]

both 2016 and Eternal are some of the most fun fps games I played in recent years

[elder meadow]

true

the ONLY good fps games.

[cold root]

a lot of fps games in recent years are broken and unfinished, thankfully both 2016 and Eternal are not two of them

[elder meadow]

what other games give you the same adrenaline these two do

[cold root]

and a lot of the games during those times are boring, generic cover shooters, and those two are a breath of fresh air

[elder meadow]

yes

[cold root]

I can't think of any actually

[elder meadow]

same

yeah halo whatever but DOOM.

[cold root]

I'm generally relaxed while playing fps games, but Eternal keeps me on the edge

[elder meadow]

there are some good boomers shooters too tho

ultrakill and dusk are cool

[cold root]

yeah I heard of them

[still lily]

titanfall 2 is better than both tbh

[elder meadow]

what da hell is dat

[still lily]

uncultured

[elder meadow]

i really havent played much games damn

[still lily]

a movment shooter thats really good

[elder meadow]

oooo

[still lily]

that has some tacked on mechs that kinda are meh tbh lol

[elder meadow]

will look for gameplay on yt

[still lily]

but goddamn the infantry gameplay is damn near perfect

[elder meadow]

i love mechs

[still lily]

then youll love titnfall

not a fan of mechs i just love the movement

[elder meadow]

mass effect 2 had a lotta them

[elder meadow]

is it fast

like de

[still lily]

very

Lol de looks slow in comparison

[elder meadow]

then might check it out

[elder meadow]

o wow

[still lily]

the grapple is actually good

can go anywhere

[elder meadow]

holy shit terraria

[still lily]

i swear doom fans just never play other games. cuz everyone saying meathook is a gift from god like.. bro titanfall did all this but better already

[elder meadow]

grapple mechanics are cool

with meathook you can fly upward from the ground it doesnt make sense

but its fun

[still lily]

its not that it doesnt make sense. its just that it's really restrictive

[elder meadow]

yes

can only grapple to enemies and floating hooks

[untold stirrup]

you can do some good stuff though with air control and properly flinging yourself

boosts you past many parts in Urdak

[elder meadow]

ye

[halcyon bear]

Yee yee

[atomic horizon]

The best FPS game will always be Haze for PS3.

[elder meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/mid-its-mid-ugly-nah-gif-19839131

[latent jewel]

erm try Quake Champions weekend competitions or QuakeLive on dm6? or quake 1 on dm4? I also liked Palladins in the beginning until they diversified it too much and tried too much to emulate Overwatch

or try doom2 on nightmare only chainsaw or... so many other

[noble seal]

serious sam is nice

[latent jewel]

oh now that you said

and Painkiller was hella fun

[noble seal]

yeah

[latent jewel]

I also played dm painkiller now thats what I could call fenzy. doom 2016/eternal is getting easy once you get used with game mechanics

[noble seal]

idk man kinda

i still die sometimes on 2016 nightmare

[latent jewel]

LOL yea must be true :)))

[noble seal]

smh imps are just too fast and their aim is good as well

[latent jewel]

gameplay wise though I like DE better but I still think that if you design a game with rpg elements you should lower the speed of the game.either keep gameplay simple and fast OR make it complex (well kinda) but then lower the speed.

having to aim specific body parts at high speed using a controller is kind of difficult to me (I am mouse+kb player but for some reason I like better controller movement, more cinematic or how should I say). if the game would give through those numerous options the option to lower the speed of enemy actions (not animation speed but to delay a bit their actions from each other) it would be much nicer imo

[latent jewel]

is also a bit annoying with controller bc how they jump at your feet. someone jokingly called them goblins. design wise I find bigger two legs walking imps from D1/2 better made

now everyone is hopping on redfall. too good that I just upgrade my pc on time

[tepid jolt]

I don’t typically play modern shooters because they tend to look like garbage to me. I am aware of Titanfall but it looks kinda boring

[latent jewel]

and you hardly find originality. I mean when I play a modern shooter with "complex mechanics" and then I realize that it was borowing 200 elements from 200 games who borrow in turn from each other then I dprefer to see them stay more simple

but well at least we see some sort of revival of the genre this year

[tepid jolt]

CoD is the only FPS I have specific beef with, but that’s for ethics reasons rather than design reasons

[halcyon bear]

Cod.. ya no

[reef ice]

Is it the blatant military propaganda? Or some other controversy I haven't heard about?

[halcyon bear]

The games just been doo doo since World at War

[noble seal]

i can't imagine playing doom with a controller

[reef ice]

Yeah but she said ethics reasons

Also don't you fucking diss Modern Warfare and Black Ops

[halcyon bear]

Can't imagine playing doom with mouse and keyboard.

[tepid jolt]

It’s mostly the military propaganda aspect, yeah. That and the glorifying war criminals in particular

[reef ice]

I see

Yeah that's fair

[elder meadow]

Also the gameplay is a snooze fest

[dusk musk]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

black ops 1 and 2 were good imo

[still lily]

reclusive boomer take

[still lily]

does anyone here have a single good take omg

how titanfall 2 looks boring yet you can play something actually boring as fuck like Celeste is beyond me.

[halcyon bear]

🤡

Should have guessed a shit like you likes cod

[still lily]

dooms fan are allergic to simple cod enjoyers. its pretty funny.

[halcyon bear]

Go have your apple juice and nap clown. Nap time before mommy comes home

[still lily]

Black ops 3 modded zombies is fucking swag. I loved mw2 growing up. Cold war zombies and the MP was actually pretty fun

just dont buy every single cod and choose the few you like and its a pretty good series

like some of them were utter trash

bruh who played vanguard

doom fans just never play any actual good games so their takes just seem like theyre from a child locked in a basement all his life with boomer shooters and other mediocre games.

if anything i feel bad

[halcyon bear]

Dude you're so fucking cringe lol.

[still lily]

nice rebuttal. ur cringe!!! ok grandpa. take ur meds

[halcyon bear]

Just this 14 year old kid that talks shit on the internet. Your dad not give you attention or something?

[still lily]

not even talking shit really

dont make this personal 😭

[tepid jolt]

Guys with guns as enemies get boring pretty quickly. I mostly play older games because they’re typically a lot more focused on good basics instead of layering more and more stuff on top.
I won’t touch CoD primarily because they take money from the US military to make them look good and I hate the publisher for it. I kinda resent the devs for taking blood money instead of jumping ship as well but more so the publishers who make the initial decision

[lament girder]

this is a pretty heady opinion you have of me hm. mind proving i play nothing but bad games?

this is intriguing

[tepid jolt]

I’m more confused by how they are even defining good game

[reef ice]

Guys
Just don't engage

People like this live off of attention
If you don't give it, they're quick to scamper off

[tepid jolt]

Telesnow is a normal member of this thread due to being a modder

[reef ice]

Even still, the simplest solution is to just not engage

I learned from being on both sides of it

[tepid jolt]

Fair enough

[elder meadow]

why talk shit bout celeste it good

[tepid jolt]

Presumably because no big realistic uniformed men shooting each other with their big girthy guns

I’m not even a huge Celeste fan; I like the game but I chose the pfp due to relating especially hard with the character

[elder meadow]

lmao

[elder meadow]

it is a very challenging platoformer which i like

[tepid jolt]

It’s very good but platformers just tend to not be my thing

[elder meadow]

ye

[noble seal]

why are you even in a doom server then

[still lily]

Unfortunately I really enjoy snapmap and am modding Doom 2016.

[still lily]

played it for awhile not my cup of tea. I like certain platformers but idk ig i just like mario and stuff more. But it's fans are it's main problem tbh.

[still lily]

i love BIG MEN with HUGE GUNS having GAY ENCOUNTERS in SPACE

[elder meadow]

did you have a beef with the fans

[still lily]

They're just annoying. Like any fandom comprised of mostly children or lonely 30yos.

[elder meadow]

E

[tepid jolt]

Madeline being able to hit top speed immediately and stop on a dime feels very good. Same with airdash. Kinda feels like Kaizo Mario but much more accessible imo

[still lily]

artstyle didnt appeal to me. I mean i guess the jumping felt good but that was it. Couldn't be asked to get all the strawberries so just got bored halfway through. im sure its a good play if you enjoy that kinda game.

[tepid jolt]

Yeah that’s fair

I picked Madeline for my pfp because Celeste’s story is about her dealing with a lot of the same stuff I deal with IRL

[noble seal]

i picked the default discord pfp because i dunno what to put

[still lily]

just put up a cliché pic of doomguy. seems to work for alot of people around here lol

[elder meadow]

snapmap modder

[still lily]

considering my only mod published rn is a campaign lost soul reskin idk about that. Still working on alot.

I plan on making a funny overhaul for the campaign aswell

simpler to just say im a doom 2016 modder

even though im mainly here for snapmap

[elder meadow]

We will not be playing

[still lily]

You probably don't even know how to open a mod launcher so i don't blame you.

I do it for myself mostly. Doom is a dead franchise im not here for fame.

[elder meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-unhinged-crazy-jimmy-mcgill-gif-19362066

[still lily]

probably

[tepid jolt]

Doom literally released a game that made nearly half a billion dollars in the first nine months 3 years ago. You don’t have to like the direction the series is going, but it’s far from dead

[still lily]

Well. dead for a modder more like. Idc about finacials. player count speaks for itself

[elder meadow]

Isn’t classic Doom modding still going strong

[still lily]

not sure, not part of that clique. But honestly thats like 2 seprate beings entirely

[tepid jolt]

Most Doom modders mod Doom 2 due to things like it being relatively easy to mod, having many active players, and high flexibility

[still lily]

When i say doom modding im not talking about the ancient ones.

Definitely more active than here. thats for sure.

Im like one of 2 people I know even modding 2016 currently. Eternal modding is even more limited I dont even wanna touch it. Next doom game needs mod support honestly.

[tepid jolt]

No argument there

[still lily]

Just wish more people were interested in fucking around with id tech.

definitely some cool stuff

[tepid jolt]

My interest is pretty much entirely on making unique levels that push the main game mechanics in interesting directions

[still lily]

Thats surprising coming from you. Sounds cool honestly. You should give modding snapmap or campaign a try. It's quite easy to import models and textures now so theres that.

[tepid jolt]

I’m on PS4 so changing components isn’t really something I’ll be doing anytime soon. Using Snapmap as is will need to do for now.

[still lily]

Well unfortunately vanilla snapmap, while good for its time. is definitely outdated. Snaphak makes it really cool though.

snaphak works on consoles aswell so if you need anything id be happy to help implement it

[tepid jolt]

Incidentally the only feature that I would wish to have besides placing bosses is drawing rooms, which is probably not something Snapmap can support anyway

[still lily]

placing bosses is possible though modding but would be PC only. Drawing rooms?

[tepid jolt]

Basically Doombuilder (major Doom 1-2 modding tool) doesn’t give you rooms to place and instead you draw them onto the map grid and assign textures, floor and ceiling heights, lighting, etc manually. To put it another way, the ability to make custom rooms, platforms, etc as you go

[still lily]

That'd be changing the fundamentals of how snapmap works but, you can definitely still make entire custom environments. and at least on PC. import your own 3D models entirely.

[tepid jolt]

Yeah I figured it would be way outside the scope of Snapmap

[still lily]

Modding 30 year old games is definitely easier

[tepid jolt]

That it is

There’s way fewer moving parts. Also it’s important to note that the original Doom engine is open source so you could build a new game from scratch using it if you wanted to

[still lily]

It's funny. They didnt even plan custom geo to be a thing. They added it in updates after lol. Their scope for snapmap was so small. At least with updates and the power of modding we could make that scope larger.

[still lily]

Yes. I was talking about how idtech 5 and 6 should go open.

[tepid jolt]

Agreed

[still lily]

If they are having trouble making mod support let the people do it!

[tepid jolt]

Would love to see Doom 2016 and Eternal mods with the scope and attention to detail of Going Down or Ancient Aliens or Speed of Doom or anything Ribbiks makes

[still lily]

Luckily since idtech 5 is old people have somewhat figured out the md6 format. (basically animated models with skeletons like demons and guns) So soon enough. with enough research, time whatever. We can figure out how to make custom animations and custom enemies entirely. Imagine fighting Elites from halo or Combine in doom lol.

[still lily]

Not sure what any of that stuff is. But if its way different from the base game like entire overhauls and mechanics and even story. I agree.

[tepid jolt]

They’re Doom 2 mods. They don’t change the mechanics (aside from some of them using an upgraded version of the engine) but they use layouts and custom textures and enemies and placements that make it almost feel like a new game despite using the same mechanics

[still lily]

Eh. Not my kinda scale im looking for.

Custom levels are easy. especially for a 30yo game. But Custom mechanics? That's where its at. That's what impresses me at lesst.

[tepid jolt]

Doom 2’s vanilla mechanics are extremely versatile so you can make combat encounters that play completely different without changing any core rules or assets. Hence why there are Doom 2 mod levels that have individual fights with 1000s of enemies running around.

[still lily]

dont have to justify why you like it. Just doesn't exactly impress me is all im saying. I don't like classic doom so a pretty looking level with the same gameplay im not a fan of isn't really changing anything.

[tepid jolt]

Fair enough

[still lily]

I admire the art that goes into it at least.

[tepid jolt]

The ideal mod for my money is one that could pass as an official expansion or sequel where it takes the same pieces and does really interesting things with them in new configurations. Not just for Doom, but in general

[still lily]

I hope i can achieve something like that for 2016. I'll definitely need some help tho.

[tepid jolt]

I’m also someone who thinks way more about level design than technical considerations though

[still lily]

I have some ideas. I definitely want a pre-invaded earth.

I want doomguy right as the slaughtering starts.

[tepid jolt]

That sounds cool. I take it you want to play with the idea of fighting the initial invasion force?

[still lily]

Yeah.

Basically my headcanon. Cuz otherwise he literally was eating chips playing turbo turkey while millions died

[tepid jolt]

Yeah it’s weird that he only shows up after the invasion is well underway. What they did for Doom 2 is that the Earth invasion started while you were pushing through Hell in the first game and you only find out after most of humanity (and your rabbit) is dead

[elder meadow]

“That’s surprising coming from you” lol

[elder meadow]

He was taking a nap

[tepid jolt]

I always assumed Eternal had a similar situation where Doomguy spent decades lost in Hell and only gets back to Earth well after the invasion started. He basically lives in Hell post 64 after all

[still lily]

https://tenor.com/view/snoring-emoji-sleepy-gif-15304805

billions dying per second

doomguy:

[elder meadow]

billions dying per second
earth will be wiped out in 8 seconds

[still lily]

idk what year does doom even take place

[elder meadow]

21??

2149 is 2016

idk about eternal

[tepid jolt]

There you go

[still lily]

cant wait to see what happens that year.

[elder meadow]

lol

Crazy to think we’ll likely live long enough to see the next century assuming there’s no catastrophe

[still lily]

Yeah im hoping im around for 2100

[elder meadow]

yep

[tepid jolt]

I kinda imagine Doomguy finally getting to Earth after the invasion started, hoping the whole way he’d get back before shit went down and was just all “dammit, not again” when he saw the destruction.

[elder meadow]

lmao

poor guy i feel bad

Night sentinels are some annoying mf’s

[still lily]

no space bunny so... pretty lame tbh

[elder meadow]

hope we live lonf enough to see a UAC facility on mars

[still lily]

then promptly die after. what a sight to see.

[elder meadow]

DoomGuy’s doing his thing while they’re constantly complaining to him

[still lily]

goddamn its 3am

why am i awake

[elder meadow]

lol sleep insomniac

[still lily]

dies

[tepid jolt]

I appreciate how in modern Doom, Doomguy is basically just Done with everyone’s scheming bullshit

He doesn’t even strike me as especially furious, he’s just had enough

[elder meadow]

yes

bro had enough now he mad

I like how his reaction to King Novik and the betrayers warnings is “cool idgaf lol”

Dude wants his shit and that’s it

[tepid jolt]

In a sense being sealed away to sleep once more at the end of TAG is the closest thing he could get to a happy ending since he at least gets to rest now

[elder meadow]

Until Bethesda wants more money

then they wake his ass up

[tepid jolt]

Yeah not forever, but even an extended break is better than nothing

[elder meadow]

Since DoomGuy’s powers are gone do you think they’re going to change up the gameplay formula at all.

[tepid jolt]

Hugo Martin has already said that they intend to

[elder meadow]

Would be a strange thing to set up and just ignore

Wonder what the community’s reaction will be then

[elder meadow]

hope not

[tepid jolt]

Something about “Eternal was like a racecar; the next game will be more like a monster truck”

[elder meadow]

doom 2016 felt like a monster truck honestly

Super fast paced combat has garnered a pretty big fanbase don’t know how well a change in formula would go down

i hope we fight a stray titan in the next game would be cool

I mean I wouldn’t mind if it was good, but I’m not everyone

[tepid jolt]

Yeah I’d love to see something like 2016 but with a bigger emphasis on hits being impactful

[elder meadow]

right

Wdym

[tepid jolt]

I imagine stuff like walls that you can break down or more explosives

[elder meadow]

do you guys think weak points should returj

Don’t see why not

[tepid jolt]

Same

[elder meadow]

i just hope there are less buttons to press

[tepid jolt]

The biggest thing I’d like to see return is chainsaw costing a finite resource

[elder meadow]

but if theres less ammo like eternal then it would be annoying

[tepid jolt]

Yeah you’d need to scale ammo drops and ammo capacity accordingly

[elder meadow]

Chainsaw was basically free ammo button in eternal, although saving up its fuel allowed for some strategic uses against tougher opponents

Sucks you can’t use it on the big boys like barons though

ye

[elder meadow]

then the problem would be like 2016
its hard to make good ammo management in game

I wish Id reused the 2016 Baron as a common variant while the fireborne was a special tougher version

Because they’re both great designs

[tepid jolt]

2016’s ammo management is fine except for how some upgrades break it

[elder meadow]

ammo boost should not return yes

[elder meadow]

i really love how armored barons look

I think they look terrible but that’s just me

Might be fun to fight but idk haven’t played tag

ah

[tepid jolt]

With Eternal’s more measured approach to upgrades, I think 2016’s approach to resource management would work very well.

[elder meadow]

i think ye
they should half the amount of ammo from 2016 and keep chainsaw fuel limited

ok well not half but like 3/4

[tepid jolt]

My main grievance with Eternal’s combat is that mistakes that don’t result in you dying in the next 30 seconds generally don’t matter because you can recoup whatever you lost very quickly and easily. That’s with ammo, health, and armor. Glory kill is a great mechanic but in Eternal it drops too much health imo.

I keep going back to chainsaw stuff because it’s the biggest example

[elder meadow]

ye holy shit you refill health quick

abd the ridiculous amounts of armor

True but eternals combat is all about the moment to moment gameplay.

[tepid jolt]

It’s kind of important to have a sliding scale of consequences for fucking up. In Eternal it’s very all or nothing.

[elder meadow]

Punishments are dealt quickly but the game isn’t really interested in, idk, keeping your health at near death state for half the level because you fucked up fighting a marauder earlier.

Most of the changes I’ve seen people brainstorm just seem like they’ll ruin the flow

[tepid jolt]

In 2016 you heal from glory kills but individual gks don’t give you your full stack back (on higher difficulty levels anyway). You need 3-4 gks to come back from near death

[elder meadow]

Yeah but you’re going to be losing your health in eternal way faster and more frequently, unless you’re just really good which most people aren’t.

a cacodemon fills up most of your health tho

Yeah they’ll take away most of it to

drops like what
50 hp when critical?

[elder meadow]

true lmao

Died to many times to surprise caco bites

also i dont like how they add fodder in boss fights as a way to refill ammo like thats boring
they should stick to 2016's combat where the boss drops ammo

I agree with that

[tepid jolt]

My change mentions aren’t about patching Eternal, but for what the next game could/should do differently

[cold root]

then again, Eternal has way lower ammo caps than 2016

[elder meadow]

it should be a 1 on 1, not a 1 on 1 with fodder

Gladiator would’ve been better without the fodder

[cold root]

unless if they flood the area with ammo, you will run out of it very quickly

[elder meadow]

can easily change ammo economy in next game

[tepid jolt]

If a boss has additional guys, it should be to make them harder, not to make them easier

[elder meadow]

Imagine if during that badass fight with the cyber demon random imps and possessed were spawned in

Would’ve sucked

ikr

[cold root]

I usually run out of health and armor in Eternal way faster compared to 2016

so the gk pickups giving more of them is good to me

[elder meadow]

so much bullet hell

I think the doom hunter boss works well with the added enemies but the gladiator was made worse by it

Which sucks because the gladiator is such a cool design and concept

[tepid jolt]

Sometimes a boss can have trouble being threatening enough without additional enemies, but that’s the only good reason to give them backup dancers imo

[elder meadow]

backup dancers haha true

[cold root]

I'm sure the only reason there's fodder enemies in the boss fights is so the player can regain ammo

[elder meadow]

I’d just have the boss drop ammo throughout the fight

And obviously put a decent amount of pickups around the arena

[tepid jolt]

Yup. 2016 got it to work without that by having the boss dropping ammo when they take damage

[cold root]

yeah, that would be better

[elder meadow]

You can perform a glory kill on a gladiator that drops health but it could’ve dropped a pool of ammo as well everytime you pulled it off

While damaging it over time drops increments of ammo

[cold root]

I don't consider the Doom Hunters in their first appearance to be really bosses

[elder meadow]

The first doom hunter has more health than the rest right?

[tepid jolt]

First Doom Hunters are separate entities from the others

[elder meadow]

theyre just doom hunters with a bit more health

It definitely feels like a boss

At least to me

[tepid jolt]

They’re a boss that is later reused as a normal enemy

Barons of Hell were introduced in a similar way in Doom 1

[cold root]

hell, the first Marauder isn't even considered a boss in-game, he doesn't has a health bar

[elder meadow]

also the first marauder is just a normal one

First Marauder is basically just a mini boss

[elder meadow]

yes

[tepid jolt]

Marauder was a bit disappointing. I don’t hate the Marauder, but he could’ve been so much cooler

[elder meadow]

my eyes have been opened
closes them one 0 cycle later*

[cold root]

I see people saying he would be better if he was the arch-nemesis of the Slayer than a normal enemy all the time

[elder meadow]

I know people cheese him now but as a newbie he definitely feels like a proper anti-slayer

[elder meadow]

it shouldve just been a tough boss fight like gladiator ye

[cold root]

honestly though, in fps games, I don't consider ''bosses'' that are just a normal enemy encountered early on to be really a boss at all

[elder meadow]

because he loses his worth after arc complex

[tepid jolt]

Yeah he would make more sense as a true boss. Maybe a rival style boss where you fight him 3 times in the game but it’s the same Marauder each time so he gets new tricks each fight

[elder meadow]

I would dig that

thats what metal hellsinger did

Has lines in combat taunting the slayer and everything

[tepid jolt]

“Where’s your motivation?”

[elder meadow]

that would be like ULTRAKILL lmao

[tepid jolt]

Ultrakill is mimicking Devil May Cry with that trope

[cold root]

the Marauder is the closest thing to fighting yourself in the game, he really would be better as a full-fledged antagonist than just a super strong normal enemy

[elder meadow]

Would be cool if he comes back with more cybernetics each time as well to replace his lost body parts

[cold root]

Cybermarauder kek

[elder meadow]

THE Marauder

Honestly yeah this sounds way cooler

Fuck this should’ve been in the game c’mon Id

[tepid jolt]

Ooh what if his new abilities parallel stuff the Slayer has

[elder meadow]

i think next doom game can learn a lot from ultrakill's bosses

I don’t even know why the bosses in these games are so underbaked because there is so much you could do

[elder meadow]

8 weapons?

dash
double jump

Is it just lack of time?

ye i see it

[cold root]

perhaps there is only one real Marauder (but he's not seen) and the other ones are weaker clones of him

[elder meadow]

i think that the first one

Arch marauder

Marauder Prime

[tepid jolt]

I’d love an anti-Slayer that actually fights similarly to the Slayer in the next game. Attacks resemble Slayer weapons, is as mobile as you, etc
Like V2 or especially like Jakob in Dusk

[cold root]

fighting an evil version of yourself is such a cool thing that I don't see often in games

[elder meadow]

shit thatd be ultrakill copy then

but cool

[tepid jolt]

Ultrakill didn’t do any of this first tbf

[elder meadow]

ye

[elder meadow]

ahem ahem
dark lord

[cold root]

yeah

[elder meadow]

We don’t talk about that

yes

[tepid jolt]

Ultrakill borrows a LOT from Devil May Cry 3

[elder meadow]

Is ultrakill the game underthemayo had terrible takes on

yes

[tepid jolt]

Yes

[cold root]

he's more like a more spongy Marauder tbh

[elder meadow]

lol

a heavy fatass spongey marauder

bro cant even jump

Underthemayo is probably one of the dumbest video game reviewers I’ve ever seen garner a following

[cold root]

the Dark Lord sure would destroy the Doom 3 Marine for sure

[elder meadow]

at least he didnt shit on eternal
or did he?

[cold root]

he didn't

[elder meadow]

And I mean it sincerely he isn’t bright

[elder meadow]

No that’s the game he shills

[cold root]

he made 2 whole videos about defending the Marauder

[elder meadow]

ah

now thats dumh

[tepid jolt]

Imagine if Davoth had Praetor armor and zipped around the arena so it felt like you were in a Deathmatch mode but his guns were a little different from yours, like grenades instead of rockets and an smg instead of heavy cannon or chaingun.

[cold root]

that would be awesome

[elder meadow]

Or what about giant power armor that would be so cool right

[tepid jolt]

My verdict on the Marauder is “good, but could’ve been much better in some pretty obvious ways”. Same with Davoth honestly

[cold root]

bruh

[elder meadow]

infinite possibilites but we are sadly stuck witj what we have

[tepid jolt]

Yeah

[elder meadow]

idek when next doom

we have no info about it
0

maybe they didnt even start or keeping it really hidden

[tepid jolt]

What if the next game’s big bad brought back Davoth as a zombie or cloned him or something so we could have another go at him?

[elder meadow]

would be fun but pls not this one

i just hate the idea of attacking on the green light

[tepid jolt]

No I mean taking the idea of him and building a new fight around his character.

[elder meadow]

ah would be cool then

what about the lore tho lol that shit be sphagettied

eh who cares

[tepid jolt]

If the new big bad made a clone of Davoth to throw at the Slayer, I don’t think that would mess up the lore too badly

[elder meadow]

the new big bad hmmm

probably some other dark lords

also please turn samuel and vega back

[tepid jolt]

The next Doom is going to be Lovecraftian according to Hugo, so it could well be something bigger and darker than a dark lord.

[elder meadow]

badass

[tepid jolt]

I’d even be on board with multiple Davoth clones as a new (but rare) enemy type if they got his moveset and such right.

[elder meadow]

yea

[tepid jolt]

Maybe have Davoth clones be very mobile glass cannons who use a similar moveset to you

[elder meadow]

but that would again be like the marauder

ah lets see what they come up with we can only imagine things

[tepid jolt]

The Marauder is defined by the shield. Davoth could rely on just being really fast and constantly moving

[elder meadow]

ye

[tepid jolt]

You could get some really creative glory kills out of such an enemy

[elder meadow]

the marauder already has cool gks

decapitation
blade to face

[cold root]

he catches your punch, only to get stabbed in the face anyway

[elder meadow]

i love that one

[tepid jolt]

Same

[cold root]

just shows that the Marauders really are strong. no any other enemies in the game try to block your attacks in their gk animations

[elder meadow]

archie

oh no you block his attack

[tepid jolt]

Mostly I’m thinking about how Davoth has his helmet and something like breaking the visor then smashing his head or yanking the helmet off then hitting him with it

[elder meadow]

hah funny

[elder meadow]

Not really a big fan of Davoth being a rare enemy type would rather they just expand on the marauders

[cold root]

I really like how the Revenant glory kills you. he punches you several times, tears off your arm and then beats you up with it, then punches you in the face

the demons sure ironically are good at ripping and tearing the Slayer

[elder meadow]

baron of hell enters the chat*

[cold root]

if only the demons in Eternal were able to glory kill the player too

it would have been awesome

though since the game has much more demon types, that would have meant more work

[elder meadow]

ive been real mad about it

power fantasy

because slayer cant be ripped and torn!!!!!!!1!111!1

[cold root]

the Gargoyle would have stabbed you with its scythe arms before beheading you

to be fair, not every enemy in the game needs to have glory killing the player animations

[halcyon bear]

I think fodder should too because it should be embarrassing and make you feel bad

[elder meadow]

make you feel like you have major skill issue

[cold root]

reminds me

there's an animation for the normal Possessed glory killing you

[elder meadow]

nom n om

Yeah eternal not having any is lame

At least give the heavy and super heavy enemy types animations

[cold root]

if the Marauder was able to glory kill you, I imagine that he would cut all your limbs one by one with his axe then shoot you in the face with his super shotgun

the screen would fade to black just as the super shotgun firing sound plays

[reef ice]

Maybe not the heavies cause they make up the bulk of the enemy types
But super heavies probably should

[still lily]

bruh give them all animations why not

[reef ice]

Cause there's a lot of enemies and that would take a lot of work on an already pretty big game

[still lily]

isn't there only like 6 maybe 7 new enemies. Just give em a nice death animation. If they can make some glory kills (repetitive as they are) they can make 1 death anim per dude. Calling DE big is uh.. well debatable.

[reef ice]

There aren't that many new enemies but around half of the old ones have been redesigned almost ground up

So they would ALSO need new animations

[still lily]

the zombies still seem to have mouths. so they can probably still bite

but why not. I dont really see it as some impossible undertaking.

[reef ice]

I'm not saying it's impossible

It'd just be a lot of work

[still lily]

Maybe with bethesda up their ass, sure, i guess they should focus on actual content since its pretty lacking.

[reef ice]

Even assuming each demon only got two glory kills, that would be at least 14 different animations for just the new demons, not including the redesigned ones

That's a pretty good amount of work

Like I said, not impossible, just a lot of work
And with pressure from the publisher, it's unlikely

[halcyon bear]

Fucking shareholders lol

[still lily]

14 animations in a 3 something year dev cycle doesn't sound so bad.

its not important though

needs mod support so we can just add the damn anims ourselves

[still lily]

ok

[fast shard]

Anyone able to play multiplayer, I'm trying to get platinum trophy in Doom but I need these multiplayer trophies

[cold root]

Hell Razers and Bruisers look similar ngl

[wild zenith]

can someone help me i downloaded and bought doom just a few days ago and when i was playing it i noticed that thee zombie texture and the gun texture were both kind of greyish

they literally had no texture it was basically just a mesh

[warm crag]

If you ask me just restart the game and if that doesnt work then we will see

[wild zenith]

i mean i tried that already multiple times

rn im reinstalling it soo i hope that fixes it

[warm crag]

Well

[cold root]

perhaps try to verify your game files if it doesn't get fixed

[warm crag]

Yeah

[cold root]

I heard that issue a few times

[wild zenith]

no but like

[elder meadow]

Highest quality Doom 2016 texture

[wild zenith]

when i was searching people had like black kind of textures mine are just grey

[warm crag]

Honestly the problem could be in your graphics card

Im not pretty sure tho

[wild zenith]

should i download textures from somewhere?

like from google or smth

[warm crag]

Yes

[cold root]

this is just as weird as HL2 using black and purple as a placeholder for missing textures

[wild zenith]

hmm

im currently reinstalling, if the problem is still there ig ill try to verify game files and then download textures from like google

[wild zenith]

alr it downloaded

now should i like wait an hour or smth?

[cold root]

I like how there’s an animation for getting glory killed by a normal Possessed even though getting killed by them is extremely rare

[solar sky]

Doom or Wolfenstein

[cold root]

Doom

[elder meadow]

Doomenstein

[halcyon bear]

Wolfoom

[elder meadow]

Midstein

[halcyon bear]

The worst lawyer in LA

[solar sky]

bj blazkowicz

[sand siren]

Just got doom 2016

[icy gull]

I've yet to play Doom 2016

[sand siren]

I bet you'll like it

[icy gull]

Probably will

[torpid grotto]

Apparently the Doom 2016 multiplayer is still alive

Kinda

Nvm

The other 2 left

[elder meadow]

the multiplayer experience

[torpid grotto]

Man

I just wanted to fight

[elder meadow]

then go fight some demons in singleplayer or arcade mode
or wait 15-30 minutes for a multiplayer match

[torpid grotto]

I've already started back on my campaign

[humble shadow]

It's pretty difficult to find a match

Trying to get platinum for awhile

And it's difficult with dead ass servers

[torpid grotto]

I just want lv 2

[elder meadow]

is it possible to

roam around in the multiplayer maps without needing to fire up a round in multiplayer

bruh the multiplayer maps look so much cooler

[cold root]

the multiplayer mode is sadly dead, just like most singleplayer games with mp modes

even worse, nearly half of the achievements are of course multiplayer-related

[elder meadow]

if only we could import them in snapmap and create interesting arenas

[cold root]

that would be awesome

making them as survival maps perhaps

endless hordes of demons appearing and the player trying to stay alive as long as possible

[elder meadow]

holy shit i wish

the only way to at least experience the maps is to just play multiplayer
or if you have two pcs you can log into a separate account (would mean buying 2 games) and then invite he other pc as a friend

[cold root]

the first few minutes would have fodder enemies, but as more time passes, stronger enemies would start appearing

[elder meadow]

yes

[cold root]

and perhaps also make weapons appear as time passes

[elder meadow]

the campaign maps look bad in comparison lmao

[cold root]

what I described is pretty much horde mode in a nutshell

I wish there was a coop campaign mode though