doom-2016

[still lily]

of which i didnt really like. but even if i did like it. thats all it has

[tepid jolt]

It has 3 campaigns technically. It also has a horde mode (admittedly one with iffy implementation) and a weird multiplayer component that most players don’t like

[still lily]

which isnt bad for an indie game, or a reduced price kinda thing. but honestly the content on offer is just mediocre imo.

i just expect a game to offer more with each installment

[halcyon bear]

Replayability is like this phantom that might as well be big foot for younger kids unless there's a update new map or battlepass games bad

[still lily]

dooom isnt replayable for me

theres no real sandbox every playthrough feels the same

[tepid jolt]

I like the core gameplay enough to replay a lot. The combat puzzle aspect is fun and I seriously don’t care about sandbox gameplay

[halcyon bear]

The irony is strong with that statement with a ce chief as a pfp

[still lily]

how

even in ce every playthrough feels different

its a much larger sandbox

[halcyon bear]

Well ive been playing halo before you were alive so I can just saw umm.. attack on the control room is used 4 times

That's a quarter of the game

[still lily]

its a 2001 game. i excuse it for deadlines. Im literally talking about a game that came out 3 years ago. Context is important. Halo 2 and 3 obviously have more to offer than CE

i dont run CE as often as i do 3

and 2.. ahhh i love running 2

so many speedrun tricks

[halcyon bear]

Does that diminish the Replayability of ce for you?

It's age ?

[still lily]

no? some levels can be a slog sure. but i will always have fun on soem missons. ESPECIALLY in co-op

but seeing so many reused assets in DE's dlcs rubbed me the wrong way

they literally took MP armor from 2016 and used it again. and the main big baddy? The same charcter model just recolored. All the new enemy types? Prowler or zombie but recolored lmao. Or a baron with props binded to it

Like bro.. give me mod tools i could make something more new.

[tepid jolt]

I really didn’t mind the reused assets since they generally act different. I do understand being frustrated with it

[still lily]

the problem is they make you pay for it

more than the base game if you buy both

[tepid jolt]

I paid for the new levels with more interesting arena fights personally

[still lily]

just felt like more of the same with a different backdrop to me tbh

[tepid jolt]

The combat structure is closer to what the master levels do. Lots of arenas with special mechanics or dickish placements

[still lily]

But again im not a doom fan really. I'm sure theres legitimate ways to enjoy it, im not seeing. but theres just not enough content on offer for me imo.

which is why 2016 is peak

[halcyon bear]

I love both series alot so this was a great talk. They both have flaws but end of the day we have passion for them

[still lily]

Yes

[south junco]

Eternal not having snapmaps will always be a mistake

[tepid jolt]

I may try CE again when I have a working PC and am in a more patient headspace. MC moving like he’s wading through molasses will probably always bother me

[halcyon bear]

Fuckin A

[south junco]

I can't stand Halo much anymore tbh

I say with a Halo pfp

[still lily]

it gives vehicles a purpose

[still lily]

fr

im saying.. like halo fucking sucks now why did bungie have to leave 😭

[halcyon bear]

Halo fans have been treated like shit. Can't blame them for bailing

[south junco]

I've played so much Halo that it just feels so slow and predictable to play, and stuff like only having 2 weapons has been getting on my nerves

[tepid jolt]

Oh yeah the warthog is the reason the game wasn’t an RTS. I don’t normally like vehicles in games though

[south junco]

Fr

[still lily]

2 weapon limit is fine imo. and with mods could probably fix that

[south junco]

CE can get up to 4 maximum with modding

[still lily]

thats cool. kinda breaks the trade off of power weapons tho

like theres clear OP weapons which taking up a valuable slot plays a role in balancing them

but at the end of the day having fun is most important

[south junco]

Yeah, and I've been having more fun on Wolfenstein and Doom as of late

[still lily]

yucky. i legit hate wolfenstien. its a cover shooter that wants to be a boomer shooter

like bro pick a side

[south junco]

Bruh

[tepid jolt]

I really like how old Doom balanced OP weapons by tying them to a very scarce resource

[still lily]

playing on high difficulty is so annoying

[south junco]

I mean it provides cover shooter mechanics for those who play like that but by no means do you need to

[still lily]

in wolfenstien

[still lily]

on max difficulty you absolutely need to play it like a cover shooter

i hate it

[south junco]

Oh yeah the higher difficulties are unfair, usually Bring Em On or Do or Die hit the sweet spot of challenge without needing to hide too much

[still lily]

i just want to kill nazis..

[south junco]

You don't always have to play the highest difficulty

[still lily]

i like doing so. tbh i always see it as a way to show mastery. like ok i beat it on its hardest difficulty so now i can judge it. thats just how i play things

[south junco]

Yeah, but it can suck all the fun out of it sometimes

[still lily]

clearly

wolfenstien is a cover shooter because high difficulty forces you too

doom isnt like that. so its not

ig its just an issue with enemies that have hitscan

[halcyon bear]

You can Still play new wolf agressive not being a cover shooter. Just takes more time and skill

[still lily]

id love to see it done because you literally get beamed in 2 seconds

by hitscan

[tepid jolt]

Wolfenstein is a series I respect but don’t really enjoy. Mostly I respect the hell out of the idea of going past “nazis bad” and actually having the story break down why nazis bad.

[halcyon bear]

My first experience was like that

[still lily]

like i dont see the skill barrier in countering hitscan other than memeorizing spawns enough to kill them before they even shoot

[wraith tangle]

Playing Halo Infinite was so weird. It being open world meant that sniping across a mountain range was the best solution most of the time

[still lily]

halo infinite campaign was ass... 😭

[halcyon bear]

Which wolf game gave you issues because always moving is a definite strategy

[still lily]

uhhh

2 i guess.

the new one. i forgot the name

yeah Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus

[tepid jolt]

I only tried New Collosus and got frustrated with hitscan

[still lily]

exactly its annoying

like whats the counter play other than the very boring, memorizing every spawn

[wraith tangle]

On wolf2, cover and leaning is more important. That game is rather unforgiving. But for New Order and Old Blood, you're tanky enough to run around most of the time

[tepid jolt]

I guess I need to try TNO at some point and see if I like that better

[still lily]

i think its just an issue with fighting hitscan in general. The only way to balance hitscan is to make health regenerating like cod or halo. or be tanky enough. but in wolfen you get beamed once from an undodgeable move and then ur just... low health okay.. and then it just gets worse and worse.

[still lily]

yeah i remember playing it for like. 2 seconds on xbox. i wonder if thats better to play

[tepid jolt]

The only other thing I remember is the main villain being really hateable to the point I was seething when she was onscreen

[still lily]

i dont like the writing lol. but thats just me

[halcyon bear]

You basically can do this mid game when you get the super solider body. Early games a nightmare

[still lily]

hitscan just has no fun counterplay other than kill them before they see you. which is fine in pvp, but quickly gets boring in pve since they literally have aimnot

[tepid jolt]

It kinda works in early Doom but the enemies who did hitscan had low damage output, were squishy, and miss a good chunk of the time

Oh and they didn’t immediately open fire

[still lily]

idk much about classic doom. i only ever played it for like 30 mins total. i dont really give any opinions on it other than i dont really think i could ever enjoy it unmodded.

but its ancient so it gets a pass for that

[south junco]

TNC is the most unfair of the wolf games, possibly youngblood too idk I haven't played it

Well, spear of destiny is probably more unfair tbh

But yeah if you want the enjoyable experience of shooting nazi's like an 80's - 90's action hero, you cannot play anything higher than Do or Die (the 4th difficulty setting)

[supple halo]

im getting an error message whenever i try to launch the game and it says "FATAL ERROR: wglCreateContextAttribsARB failed"

anyone got any tips

[tepid jolt]

No idea

[wraith tangle]

wolf balances the regen issue by simply killing you when you get hit 😎

[still lily]

true true. pretty revolutionary actually. Wolf is so realistic

[south junco]

Wolf has partial regen

Similar to Halo Reach

[still lily]

halo reach has sheilds tho

[south junco]

Yeah and wolf has armour

[still lily]

that isn't guaranteed

and can be lost permanently

unlike sheilds which.. regen. Which solves problems with hitscan

[south junco]

Although it's the classic armour, so it reduces damage by a percentage multiplier rather than tanking it outright

Armour in TNC also has partial regen provided you get the ram shackles

[still lily]

oh yeah bleed through was odd in wolf

[south junco]

It's how all FPS games were pre Halo

[still lily]

glad i grew up post halo then

[wraith tangle]

even the hardest fights are still doable low armor. As unfair as wolf2 may seem, it is doable without dying. mein leben exists after all

[south junco]

Mhm

Doom adopted the new armour design of basically being a second health bar

Wolf did not

[still lily]

any game is doable without dying. its just boring. i know theoretically you can just headshot everyone before they have a chance to fire but like.. nah i want firefights

[wraith tangle]

headshots are not necessary

wolf2 rifles shred everyone

[still lily]

headshot foot shot, whatever

still have to memorize spawns

[south junco]

Also knowing your arsenal is key for Wolf 2, Nailguns, AP Semi Auto Rifles, Shotguns and Lazerkraftwork are the ones you'll be using the most

[wraith tangle]

there's no reason to ever use nailguns

[south junco]

There is against close quarters fodder

They actually kill very quickly

[still lily]

https://youtu.be/4BbWL5UbG0o

[south junco]

Saves your rifle ammo for more worthwhile engagements

[still lily]

lmao. in this speedrun you literally see them stop and shoot from afar

[south junco]

Nailguns are underrated tbh, overshadowed by the rifles and the shotguns

[still lily]

its all about just killing things before they even have a chance to see you

[wraith tangle]

why risk the lower damage and projectile travel time that reduces accuracy and increases time to kill when you can just use rifles that instakill. You have more than enough rifle ammo. I've done mein leben both timelines and easily had enough rifle ammo. The only time that it's reasonable to use smgs over rifles is in the first dlc when you have upgraded smgs but not upgraded rifles and no ammo upgrades

[south junco]

Projectile travel time isn't that big of a deal in close quarters

[still lily]

which I don't find fun peronally because it requires memorization. tons of repetition

[south junco]

You don't need to use nailguns at all yeah, but you still can

They aren't that weak

They kill normal nazis in a few hits to the body

[wraith tangle]

There is somewhat less memorization in some places than you might think and in other places more. Sometimes, I don't memorize spawns but instead a position that I can camp in(basically bottlenecking is how you win most of the time). But othertimes, I know particular enemies are prone to get stuck in a certain spot or that a particular enemy continues talking after they die so don't freak out

One of the things that I liked about the wolf2 dlc was that rifle upgrades were distributed slower and you couldn't upgrade your ammo capacity except as Wilkins -- so you were less able to rely on the allrounder rifles

[elder meadow]

the idea isnt fast. The idea is to use knowledge at its full potential to move through enemies swiftly.

Also enemies are very reactive compared to Doom or any game in general

Elites are fast and agile and will dodge away from Vehicles or grenades

If a grenade sticks to them they will kamikaze and rush u

They also will often retreat if low on shields to recharge

Grunts are pathetic canon fodder. U kill their elites they will run away

[halcyon bear]

Ya I feel this disconnect is jarring. Methodical shooters have a place. It creates opportunities for frankly more intelligent game play which is rewarding on its own

[elder meadow]

The “Dance” of Halo is being able to move through enemies with the Absolute Knowledge of the sandbox

Not every weapon is a killing machine. They are Tools to you as a Spartan

Plasma Pistols break shields when charged, Plasma rifles are great for breaking shields for crowd control. Needlers are your noob gun.

Magnums are the jack of all trades, Assault Rifles are just to suppress fire on non shielded enemies And power weapons are obvious what they do.

[tepid jolt]

I do intend to give the game another try at some point, but mostly out of a sense of obligation. I tend to find slow games frustrating by the very nature of being slow.

I understand the concept of methodical tactics, I just tend to get bored and/or upset with it

[elder meadow]

I wouldnt say halo ce is the strongest in terms of level design but more so world building of the lore

[elder meadow]

if u watch people who actually play halo and compare how they interact with their scenarios its not a “Slow, campy” game

[winter stream]

Halo CE is jank

Not really a good first impression of a halo game for modern day

[halcyon bear]

How so?

[elder meadow]

Vehicles

[winter stream]

stubs toe on warthog

dies

[elder meadow]

often best way to team kill

[halcyon bear]

Now imagine trying to do a picture turn using the duke

[elder meadow]

other than that i dont have an issue. Mp didnt age tho

[tepid jolt]

I 100% don’t care about multiplayer so that isn’t an issue for me

[elder meadow]

U can have fun with it, just objectively not made well competitively (or balance in general)

Now halo 3

Idc ill pick Halo 2 or 3 over Doom sorry

[halcyon bear]

I think everyone here can absolutely agree halo 3 is a masterpiece

[elder meadow]

If god said remove one game from existence im taking out Doom Eternal for my beloved halo 3

and im not saying MCC halo 3. I mean the halo 3 where bungie gave away Recon like it was a fuckin God’s blessing

[halcyon bear]

I wouldn't go that far but ya halo 3 and odst are one of the few games I still replay. Like ocarina of time or metal gear solid

[tepid jolt]

I also remember the part I played being extremely corridor shooty but I don’t know if that carries over to the rest of the game

[elder meadow]

just wait till she finds out abt the flood.

@winter stream u forgot Rocket Flood bro

[tepid jolt]

I’m vaguely aware of the Flood

[elder meadow]

Wait till she finds out abt guilty spark

ur not having fun

[tepid jolt]

Mostly I hope that in said second attempt something clicks for me because it just didn’t last time

[elder meadow]

its rlly abt counting shots and knowing everyones weaknesses

[tepid jolt]

My PC is broken still so I can’t play it right now regardless

[elder meadow]

@tepid jolt just remember hunters are one shot to the waist by the Pistol before u break ur monitor

ik someone that did

[still lily]

absolutely

[elder meadow]

Halo infinite is ik mid but ill still play it just cause i cant stop liking halo

theres no other game like it.

[still lily]

there are people who defend it and minus the jank movement it kinda can be competitive? The spawns are the worst part. CE is always played in 2v2 competitively because of it

[elder meadow]

The magnum is def not viable

however it does influence the battlerifle

[still lily]

it isnt op tbh it has random spread which makes it annoying

[elder meadow]

take that back rn

[still lily]

bloom sucks

[elder meadow]

has projectile if u didnt know as well

[still lily]

the ce magnum isnt op.

[elder meadow]

“arrest that man”

[still lily]

the plasma rifle literally stuns your movement

[elder meadow]

“Arrest him”

[still lily]

all the weapons are viable

[south junco]

not really as long as you don't full auto it

if you full auto the magnum it has spread, if you tap fire it it doesn't

[winter stream]

the core gameplay in general bothers me in CE. The ridiculous Grenade nukes, random spread on precision weapons like the magnum, fall damage

[south junco]

and you can tap fire as fast as you can full auto

[elder meadow]

If u pace ur shots and lead them accurately that was the issue. Also grenades were broken

[still lily]

i wish it showed any visual feedback of bloom

[south junco]

although correction, there is some spread even if you tap fire it but only at very long ranges

[elder meadow]

not to mention Grenades would detonate by other grenades

[still lily]

but tbh i hate bloom as a mechanic in general

[still lily]

yeah thats annoying

[elder meadow]

considering Bullet magnetism is a thing its not an issue

Halo has tons of aim assist given for u

[still lily]

on pc?

[elder meadow]

Not kbm

if ur playing kbm ur literally nerfing urself

[south junco]

I play kbm so I don't get that

[still lily]

same

[elder meadow]

💀ok clearly u cant be saying the magnum isnt op

[south junco]

yeah well my muscle memory is too tuned for me to bother with controller

I found it easier to play on KBM and just have to make up for the downsides myself rather than try to learn a new input method

[elder meadow]

Objectively on mcc Kbm is weaker than controller

[south junco]

indeed

[still lily]

yeah it is

i accept the challenge tho

[south junco]

you can still get good at the game on kbm though, just not as good as you can get on controller

[still lily]

i take pride that i dont have aimbot lmao

[elder meadow]

Idrc sense halo was always a controller game

thats just how the game is

[still lily]

i played every game on xbox first tho

[elder meadow]

Nerfing aim assist is like ruining the flow. and Halo infinite’s aim assist i find disgusting

[still lily]

even with aim assist the magnum fills the same role as the BR and DMR

future halos ofc nerfed it because its role was replaced by rifles

[elder meadow]

Halo 5 and infinite have this aim assist change 343 made and i dont enjoy it

[still lily]

it became a side arm to duel weild

or just a pocket headshot

[elder meadow]

halo 5 magnum was the goat

dont disrespect it

[south junco]

Halo 5 magnum put it back in the spotlight

[still lily]

yesss lowkey love halo 5 weapons ngl

even the ar felt good

[south junco]

Halo 5 magnum was HCS's starting weapon

[elder meadow]

I do too its just if the game didnt have wacky ground pounds and charges id be fine with it

A lot of randomness comes to play with those

[still lily]

yeah it just looks like shit.

but the forge and MP was the best 343 has made yet

[south junco]

starting comp weapons in each Halo game have been
CE: Magnum
2: BR
3: BR
Reach: DMR
4: BR/DMR (died out after one series)
5: Magnum
Infinite: BR initially, now it's the DMR

[still lily]

well... infinite forge seems good but theyre being dumb with it

[south junco]

they're banning maps that are "too graphic"

[still lily]

yep

[elder meadow]

4 couldnt even have a proper comp cause of loadouts and such

I mean wtf wants to go up against Promethean vision

[still lily]

4 was so obviously the worst in the series

Especially MP wise

[south junco]

one map even got banned cause it apparently had what looked like maruanaja plants

[winter stream]

All-wise

[south junco]

hence why it died out after one series

[still lily]

zaza oppression

[still lily]

true..

[elder meadow]

Halo 5 hate was pretty huge.

[south junco]

honestly idk why they even allowed the players in the H4 series to use different weapons

why didn't they just make one loadout for everyone to use

[still lily]

thats why doom snapmap is based. i can make a zaza snap map and no one cares

[elder meadow]

343 had 3 chances. Rlly pathetic to keep watching this franchise make awful decisions

Certain Affinity clearly has more care for halo

[still lily]

Halo is dead. im just happy it even happened to begin with

[south junco]

2A MP was really good, only let down by how little content there is for it

[still lily]

the series ended at halo 3 and im happy with it. we have modding to carry its legacy

yucky no

[elder meadow]

He isnt wrong it was fine just not at launch

[still lily]

halo 2 classic is peak halo pvp for me

[elder meadow]

Its however the easiest mp in the series

[south junco]

I ain't a H2 fan

[still lily]

i hate how it looks. everything feels off.

[south junco]

I hate how it plays

[elder meadow]

cause its halo 4

[still lily]

exactly

they butchered my favorite game

[elder meadow]

i enjoy the rakshasa armor. shame crosscore isnt around

[still lily]

i hate that it even exists

[south junco]

mainly cause the MCC team haven't touched 2C much, its hit detection is still fucked

[elder meadow]

infinite has some banger stuff but kinda gettin bored when they release a new core

[still lily]

mcc hit detection in general is absolutely fucked

[elder meadow]

Like ur rlly limiting my spartan

[south junco]

its better than it was

[elder meadow]

halo 3 was kinda the same scenario at launch

[south junco]

but still pretty bad

[still lily]

im still stuck with the defualt armor

[elder meadow]

people kinda forgot how fucked halo 3 used to be

[still lily]

i aint spending a dime

[halcyon bear]

343 is done now though a new studio is getting halo so we have to see how it plays out

[elder meadow]

Hit detection was awful for a time

[elder meadow]

pfffffft no

[still lily]

its still fucked

[winter stream]

for a time is better than eternity

[south junco]

there's been nothing to suggest that

[elder meadow]

microsoft pretty much doesnt care for halo

[south junco]

head leadership at 343 saw a shakeup, that's all that happened though

[halcyon bear]

The studio is folding? You didn't hear? They will be doing things like testing and auxiliary but 343 is not making halo anymore

Thought that was common knowledge

[south junco]

I hate to be the guy to ask this but, source?

[elder meadow]

U didnt read their post didnt u

from Pierre Hintze* the new ceo

Also rip to Joseph staten. wish he stayed

[south junco]

I know Pierre literally came out and said they're not going anywhere

[halcyon bear]

There's a reason he didn't

[elder meadow]

this was already confirmed false by Unyshek

[winter stream]

too bad

[still lily]

i wish theyd hand it off.

[winter stream]

ig 343 needs to make a few more bombs to take a hint

[south junco]

I mean I wish another studio would take Halo but no, 343 still has it

[halcyon bear]

If 343 is in the name of the next halo game I'll sell my doom room

[winter stream]

it was some leaker with a decent track record

[still lily]

give it to me. :3 hey Microsoft im awesome give me the rights to halo

[south junco]

ahh, even so leakers aren't always right about things

[still lily]

bill gates just called they're making halo 4 anniversary

[south junco]

good, it needs it

[winter stream]

ditch making stories and make a standalone forge and custom games with stuff from every game put into one

[still lily]

fr. just let the community make it

turns out people who actually like halo make some really cool stuff. crazy idea i know

[elder meadow]

@halcyon bear if ur wondering whats actually legit. Halo is only being made by 343 and Certain affinity with their “secret” project

[south junco]

I still can't believe "too graphic" was a reason for a forge map getting banned, I mean this is HALO we're talking about

[elder meadow]

So yes we are fucked

And halo tv show is gettin a s2 so get ready to hide your family in a bombing Bunker in London

[south junco]

S2 was confirmed before S1 even aired

they made them back to back pretty much

[still lily]

halo tv show... 😔

[elder meadow]

oh ik im just reminding everyone abt that shit show

[winter stream]

consoomers ruining voting with your wallet strategy

[elder meadow]

So u all can grief with me

[still lily]

i didnt want to remember. repressed horrible memories of shit that disturbs me

[elder meadow]

I watched every episode and ur all gonna suffer with me as i remind u masterchief had Sex with a covie spy

And has been naked twice

[still lily]

WHAT

[winter stream]

Insurrectionist.. AK47s....

[elder meadow]

u feeling happy now?

cause im not

[elder meadow]

im not making shit up

[south junco]

am I gonna have to watch S2

[winter stream]

I remember that

[south junco]

I don't want to

[winter stream]

someone mentioning it at least

[still lily]

master cheif has sex with a covie..

[elder meadow]

Cortana just watched too lmao who wrote this sadistic crap

[winter stream]

never got that far

[elder meadow]

a covie human

Which makes 0 sense cause covies are all aliens and hate humans

[still lily]

covies would slaughter a human immediately

[elder meadow]

That was literally a law for em. Humans are heretics

[still lily]

its so joever for halo

[elder meadow]

Cause the stupid human is forerunner or some shit

[winter stream]

covenant explicitly did not permit humans into the covenant

[elder meadow]

can we not do the Masterchief is forerunner type BS halo 5 tried to do

[winter stream]

not in 343's halo lmao

[elder meadow]

Ik forerunners being human is a bungie thing but we are too late dor that. 343 isnt any better but tv show isnt making me enjoy anythibg

[still lily]

nah thats the real canon for me

[winter stream]

casually retconning the entire premise of halo

[elder meadow]

10 bucks masterchief is forerunner in tv show

I just hate this show

[elder meadow]

343 moment

[still lily]

it had... 1 funny fps fight scene with horrible cgi

[winter stream]

R E A C H C I T Y

[still lily]

i saw it on youtube

[elder meadow]

oh ye there was a cardboard PP

[still lily]

check your mailbox

[still lily]

i saw that. unpainted props and just

[winter stream]

Was there some political correctness reason to not call it New Alexandria?

[elder meadow]

CGI assault rifle

[still lily]

its so amateur. it looks like a passionate dumb fan series

[elder meadow]

no it was cause the writers are stupid and never played the game

They prob think Reach is some futuristic Earth

[winter stream]

Red vs Blue CGI

[elder meadow]

Its not and iS SUPPOSED TO BE GLASSED

GLASS REACH ALREADY

[still lily]

glass the show already

[elder meadow]

and like wtf is chief in a mk6

[still lily]

everyone dies the end

[elder meadow]

before Halo 2. he was in a Mk5

Like wtf is it so goddamn hard

[winter stream]

The halo show clearly just makes its own canon

[elder meadow]

more like bullshit

mfw finds out Halo is a weapon cause some crazy Homeless dude said so

[still lily]

the ak47 design is so long lasting even 500+ years from now

technology will never get better lmao

[elder meadow]

The mp40 in a halo comic

[winter stream]

Insurrectionists be looting marines they fight off and throw out the modern AR

[elder meadow]

ye that was just cringe

[still lily]

ew.. bullpup

[winter stream]

apparently the only unsc weapons they bothered to steal was the turret

[elder meadow]

Ma5k is the goat dont disrespect

[elder meadow]

i think its just a normal mini gun

[elder meadow]

fun fact the caliber of bullets hasnt changed

its the year 2500’s and we still use like a 7mm for an assault rifle which i find funny.

[still lily]

ik, that i find very weird

[winter stream]

I imagine future weapons tech will all be gauss rifles and railguns

[elder meadow]

my guess is humanity reached a limit

[still lily]

it is pretty funny tho

[elder meadow]

Gauss Warthog i miss u

[still lily]

well at least we'll have super soldiers to use our ancient weaponry

[proper ermine]

Wild guess for the future

[elder meadow]

u mean the mentally unstable teens

u think id trust the next generation with an mp5

[proper ermine]

You mean the cringy teens on tiktok

[elder meadow]

U mean the Red Pill tate fucktarts

[winter stream]

I don't trust any generation with anything

[proper ermine]

Can't even trust someone with a slice of bread now

[elder meadow]

Go to vietnam in a war and my respect is 10x more than whatever tf a white girl tells me abt how me eating Pizza without a fork is racist

[elder meadow]

thats cause they are extremely allergic to everything

[proper ermine]

Imagine not being able to put nuts in your mouth 🤭

[elder meadow]

We will soon Evolve backwards to monke. its fine

[proper ermine]

Have you ever seen the video where some random white woman said "all white people are racist" as a white woman

[proper ermine]

I evolved faster.

[elder meadow]

I rlly dont understand the audacity here

The absolute flat earth thinking here does not compute with me

[proper ermine]

People who think the earth is flat are flat 🤭

I need to stop with that shitty emoji

[elder meadow]

Not with those fat rolls they aint.

America over 50% obese

couldnt be more 🇺🇸

And im still proud to be 🇺🇸

[proper ermine]

I'm proud to not be 🇺🇸

[elder meadow]

I think u can be proud cause watching people absolutely ruin their lives is the most 🇺🇸thing

I mean i get front seats in every Car chase in LA cali. shits crazy

[proper ermine]

The craziest people I be seeing on tiktok usually are 🇺🇸

[elder meadow]

“I dont condone such shittery, but i wont stop it”

-Some Florida guy idk

[proper ermine]

Remember that one time someone got offended by a pj sandwich

[elder meadow]

Walter white stabbed him obv

no never heard of this actually

i have heard of crazy people smashing their trucks against fast food restaurants cause they werent served the right order

[proper ermine]

Funny thing is kex sent it 💀

[elder meadow]

Working in those places is prob more dangerous than getting enlisted to the Military

[proper ermine]

Twitter ☕

[elder meadow]

Deleted

[proper ermine]

Twitter finna cancel someone for curing blindness

Oh wait.....

[elder meadow]

Good we should cancel someone for curing cancer next smh…

[proper ermine]

Imagine helping people 🤭

[elder meadow]

ikr.

u helped someone? name every homeless person on the street rn.

[proper ermine]

You cured someone's cancer? Name every person who has cancer rn.

[elder meadow]

caillou

Walter White… uhh

[proper ermine]

me

[proper ermine]

No you do not stfu.

[proper ermine]

Nah stfu get out of my head

[elder meadow]

Real

[proper ermine]

You're not funny bro the only cancer you got is humor cancer because your humor is so shit

[proper ermine]

We're the same fucking person.

[winter stream]

nah they just "suicide" by 2 gun shots in the back of the head while in handcuffs

[elder meadow]

i can see that

[elder meadow]

The CIA will silently op em as the government’s money on funerals would only decrease

[earnest jungle]

playing for the 2nd time ever on steam and game wont open. worked fine the first time. now it wont boot, crashes with blue screen and says FATAL ERROR: Loading unverified resource. Verify files with Steam or set 'devMode_enable' to allow unverified resources

I tried verifying steam files and that passed. No idea where I'm supposed to set this devmode enable setting. would appreciate it anyone can help

[snow heron]

I’m pretty sure you can set this in the launch conditions for 2016 on Steam. To do that right click 2016 in your Steam library, then click Properties > General Tab > Launch Options

Then I guess put devMode_enable

Last time I messed with dev mode it corrupted my save file so be careful

[earnest jungle]

are there any other known fixes that would solve this issue without devmode?

seems a bit weird

but yea works with devmode on

thanks, im right at the start of the game so i just hope i dont get any corrupts later on

nvm got an actual windows bluescreen (instead of the games blue coloured error screen that I had previously) as soon as i loaded into a level

[snow heron]

I’m sorry I don’t know of any other possible fixes besides either checking your graphics drivers to make sure your up to date. Otherwise if no one else responds to you hear try Reddit or YouTube

[winter stream]

You're not running any mods?

[opal shale]

All melted. It's getting crazy warm this week too, low 20's warm, which is great. Quebec had that awful ice storm, recently, and they're hurting. Some people have been without power for half a week.

The Campaigns for all 3 have actually been excellent. I can't speak for versus as I don't play those modes. I'm also a long time fan of the franchise, enjoying it for over 20 years.

What always boggles my mind is people dump on 343 Industries for the same issues Bungie had/did, yet Bungie gets a pass. Inconsistent story telling, unfinished Campaign, bugs, "last gen" graphics on current gen systems, poor performance (unable to maintain frame rate and bad frame pacing), false advertising Campaign, heavy retcons, bugs in set piece battles, slacked off during development, etc. All of this Bungie has done.

When people look back at the Bungie Halo titles, I find they're either a) wearing those rose coloured glasses, b) were very young when they released and thus were unaware/uncaring of all the above issues, or c) first experienced them via the MCC, which is much more polished.

Having said all this, I have yet to play a "bad" Halo Campaign. All are at the very least, good, regardless of developer.

[winter stream]

Heavy retcons such as?

[still lily]

the bearer of bad takes

[halcyon bear]

Love to hear first warm day today too!

[elder meadow]

because the industry has evolved and changed where those mistakes CAN be looked passed on

To bring back those mistakes and act like as if we should accept it cause it happened before is not a clear path of Evolution.

yes Halo Reach was a huge Retcon to the Fall of Reach and I remember the controversy surrounding this but it wasnt as Vague or Eye Boggling as the way 343 has treated.

Now 343 has done some good things such as a clear understanding of the Forerunners and how Reach connects with the OG trilogy.

However their treatment of the Reclaimer series has been poor because of how Halo 4 and Halo 5 are treated very disconnected

U had to read like 5 books to understand the Context and Halo infinite just Erases everything rather than attempt to Fix the Story.

Bungie was Right in that the games should be treated as Legit to the Lore and Books are treated as they are. Extended Lore

[halcyon bear]

Have to agree infinite had a very strong retcon soft reboot feel

The banished where cool but even that was off when it came to the factions lore

[elder meadow]

I mean fuckin hell people make the stupid excuse the Flood has been overused. Brother its been sense 2007 SENSE THE FLOOD EVER CAME BACK

halo wars 2 is the only game to even bring them back

Halo fans are not teenagers anymore. They are like 30 with jobs. Like Doom fans we can't appreciate when theres nothing there to call back the nostalgia.

People forget this Franchise is 20 years old. If ur like a 15 year old and think 343 halo games are good thats totally fine but Appreciate what we lost over the years

[elder meadow]

The faction is amazing and if anything just as good as the Covenant. Its the fact Halo Infinite treated them as just another Covenant issue

We need a halo spin-off set more on the Covenant war lore. Not this BS of moving on and not expand what Bungie built.

[winter stream]

Even then, that's external media and not one of the mainline games

[elder meadow]

ye basically it wasnt really an issue

Halo 4-5 are just a cluster fuck

[winter stream]

But the forerunners not being human may as well be throwing out the entire premise of the human-covenant war

[elder meadow]

halo 4 isnt "bad as a story" tho i have many issues with it. But why it sucks is how Useless the game set up

The Didact is dead, whatever the frick was the "Evolution boost" the librarian gave to chief means nothing than a plot device

The Composer was treated as this super death weapon and never is used again after nuked

[halcyon bear]

@opal shale is right in that the games haven't been dog shit by any means

[elder meadow]

Halo 4 multiplayer

[winter stream]

As sequels to an existing franchise they are bad games, on their own, they would be meh

[elder meadow]

Halo 5 Firefight Warzone was buggy as hell and no Splitscreen Co-op

Warzone died after a month

Customs sure were cool but the CGB games were just filled with the same gamemodes

Assassinations Lobbies were a flood

[halcyon bear]

But halo deserves better. Just saying it's playable doesn't give that rich franchise justice and doesn't take away from all of new halos flaws.

[elder meadow]

The only reason infinite doesnt have this issue is great.

Cause theres no assasinations lmfao

343 doesnt give a shit abt the fans. Never did. They act like they listen but every halo game released has been the opposite of what anyone asks. Halo infinite sure has taken some feedback but we asked for Crosscore, Splitscreen Co-op, INFECTION

[winter stream]

Lmao and they always had some sexualized thumbnail

[elder meadow]

Sure halo fans can be toxic but u also have to remember its been 6 years

I mean imagine if Doom 2016 wasnt faithful

what if we got that Doom 4 Original concept

[halcyon bear]

If new doom as anything going for it it's that it's listening to doom fans

[elder meadow]

i cant say it was gonna be bad cause it never released but i think its obvious how much different that is to Classic Doom

[halcyon bear]

Doom odst lol

[elder meadow]

more like Doom Fallout or STALKER

[halcyon bear]

Rage

[snow heron]

That scene with (what I assume was the player character) wearing the gas mask standing over a burning city holding a double barreled shotgun gave me STALKER vibes for sure

[snow heron]

RAGE 1 looks similar to the Doom 4 leaked videos

That really brown gritty town. Kinda like if Borderlands 1 had no cell shading

[dire flint]

why do my saves files keep corrupting every time I try a rune trial or go to do a new mission?

[rugged charm]

I’m stuck on the hell guards

Tf am I supposed to do

[halcyon bear]

Shoot it

When it doesn't have a green shield

[shadow bloom]

suck it

[dire flint]

? pls i need halp

[torpid grotto]

I finally played doom 2016 after not touching it in a LONG time

[slim pebble]

IDK if we still talking about Halo but 343 turned Halo into a serious snooze fest.

[midnight grove]

heya, i'm playing doom 2016 and i think i seem to have a unique issue of my windows key (and print screen, for that matter) not working in doom, regardless of windowed, borderless windowed or fullscreen.

i don't have any software (that i know of) that would be interfering, and the windows key and print screen and etc work perfectly fine in other games (e.g. horizon zero dawn), but not doom 2016.

anyone know what might be up?

[winter stream]

I don't recall most games working with Print Screen, I just use steam's Screenshot key (F12) instead, and I'm not sure what the windows key would be helpful for.

[midnight grove]

for if i want to open the start menu? instead of alt tabbing?

and print screen is useful when i have custom screenshot software and want that to take the screenshot instead of steam, otherwise if i want to share it i have to navigate to the folder and maybe crop it myself

[elder meadow]

If you have an NVIDIA GPU then you can use the shadowplay overlay to take the screenshot

[elder meadow]

ur mom and i had great smex

[winter stream]

Print Screen doesn't work for most games I play, so I'm accustomed to just using F12

[still lily]

just use borderless

and it works

[winter stream]

not for me

[still lily]

it does for me. consider slaying yourself

[winter stream]

what does that do? or is that a remapping?

[fickle radish]

I think most people accepted Halo 3 as the end

[elder meadow]

tbh halo 3 is the only halo worth playing

[opal shale]

It's 17'C outside today. Spent the morning into the aft doing lots of spring cleaning outside. More tomorrow.

[opal shale]

I have not read any of the novels since the Kilo 5 trilogy and I understand things just fine.

[opal shale]

Except Bungie didn't. Want to know how John got home after the first game? Have to read a book. Want to find out how John got off the Dreadnaught into that jungle? Have to read a comic series. Want to find out how Johnson and Miranda got back to Earth first... well, I don't think that's ever been revealed.

Want to find out how Johnson escaped the Flood? You've got to read a book. Oh wait, Bungie ultimately wasn't keen on that reason, so now you have to read the comic that shows how he really survived the Flood.

[opal shale]

We last saw the Flood in 2016.

[opal shale]

I'm middle aged, and I've been playing Halo for 20 years.

[opal shale]

Yet it was considered canon for 9 years, and technically still is.

[opal shale]

They're really not.

[winter stream]

How John gets home after the first game, and Johnson and Miranda getting back to earth can easily be inferred, and doesn't necessitate a whole game or book's worth of story to answer. The fact that there happens to be a book that details it doesn't speak to whether one was necessary or not. How John gets off the dreadnaught into the jungle is shown and commented on in the game itself. He jumps. And again, just because a book details the events leading to that jump doesn't mean it was needed to explain how he got there.

How Johnson survives and escapes the ring in CE is definitely one of those plot holes that is not reconcilable, other than that the first game really didn't take its story very seriously until Halo 2, as evidenced by the fact that he can also die in multiple sections throughout the campaign and come back, as well as the legendary ending joke cutscene.

[still lily]

they really are lmao. Halo 4 is unironically one of the worst fps games ever.

Halo 5 is much better but the story is just utter trash.

[still lily]

halo 2. bruh.

[elder meadow]

nah halo 2 sucks

[winter stream]

Considered by Bungie themselves? Either way, it's still nowhere the same level as directly and indirectly retconning significant portions of the 3 main games

And even then, back in the day, Halo Reach was criticized for it quite a bit among those who read the extended lore. Obv it wasn't among the the vast majority that didn't read it.

[still lily]

i completely and holly disagree

It's my favorite halo

[elder meadow]

thats your opinion and thats great

[still lily]

how does it suck?

[elder meadow]

halo 3 in comparison feels much better gameplay wise

and i dont like the halo 2 arenas

[still lily]

False imo. The weapons feel much worse in halo 3 since they slowed the bullet speed to a crawl. Halo 2 BR > Halo 3 BR anyday

i perfer the game feel in halo 2

halo 3 is much more casual so ig if ur bad u can enjoy it more

[elder meadow]

have u tried that halo 2 skull challenge

[elder meadow]

woah

[still lily]

LASO? I'm gonna have to do it eventually

[elder meadow]

yes laso

[still lily]

im only 80 achivments away from 100%ing mcc

[elder meadow]

its in all halo games i think

[still lily]

yep

ive heard halo 3 is the worst laso run

like difficulty wise

[elder meadow]

like difficulty wise or just down right bad?

oh

[still lily]

Laso is always bad lmao. you basically cant have fun

thats the point tho

[elder meadow]

true

doom shouldve had something similar but we have a far bigger punishment

ultra nightmare

[still lily]

Iron is basically ultranightmare

having to restart the mission

each death on solo

[elder meadow]

oof thats hard

[still lily]

but UN isnt that hard at all compared to laso

cuz its still just nightmare.

I can definitely do legendary deathless runs in halo

[elder meadow]

yea and halo feels really difficult on legendary because your shield just goes away instantly

[still lily]

but LASO is just masochist torment. and achivment hunters worst fear

[elder meadow]

lol yes

i saw critikals video on how a streamer completed laso deathless
the guy got 20 grand from the man himself

it was halo 2 laso

[still lily]

so ill do it eventually. But yeah Halo 2 had an amazing well told narrative like.. soo many quotable lines. Master chief looks sick, its my favorite design of him. all of the weapons felt great to use, give or take a few. it added alot to the sandbox. Duel weilding, more vehicles better AI. Also it kicked off halo PvP. Halo 2 was basically when halo went mega popular.

[elder meadow]

epic

[still lily]

so idk how you can say it sucks

[elder meadow]

back when i played it it looked so crappy
ig the remaster version is better but still i dont really like the arenas

halo 3 had open arenas which i liked more

[still lily]

It was made for the original xbox sooo. technical limits at the time, looks pretty good.

You can say you like halo 3 more without saying 2 sucks lmao

[elder meadow]

whatever

[still lily]

I did like that halo 3 had more open areas. but thats a given with upgraded hardware of the 360

[elder meadow]

yes

[still lily]

Halo 3 is still a masterpiece. i just like 2 more. Mainly for its multiplayer

[elder meadow]

i never touched halo 2 multiplayer
is it any good

[still lily]

very. idk about mcc since 343 fucks up everything they touch. But it was peak

still is ngl. I'd play halo 2 over any other pvp wise still. I really enjoyed how the button combos made the skill ceiling higher.

its like the smash melee of halo, being the most competitive because of quirks

[elder meadow]

the first few rooms were hard i remember

[still lily]

halo 2 isnt easy. thats also what i love about it

[elder meadow]

but then after getting that plasma pistol thing it made it a lot easier

[still lily]

halo 3 feels just too easy in alot of ways. in campaign

[elder meadow]

yes because space to move around

[still lily]

brutes were fucking ruthless monsters and halo 3 just made them pushovers

[elder meadow]

true lol

[still lily]

crackhead halo 2 brutes my beloved

[rugged charm]

So I beat the spider thing

Aren’t there DLCS?

[elder meadow]

oh guys how did john get home woahhh

he walked in a fricken shortsword

they literally said their next destination is earth u dont need a whole book to explain how it happened..

If u thought chief somehow getting back to earth is weird. explain Blue Team and Osiris and their purpose. Osiris and Blue team play a different role than Johnson and Miranda as side characters

@opal shale what you are “criticizing” is the Irrelevent story details between the Og trilogy was rather than how much Change has happened

[elder meadow]

2016, Halo wars 2, not another mainline halo game

[winter stream]

I'm pretty sure there's no flood because T rating. And the only reason Halo Wars 2 managed to get away with it is because it was post-release DLC

rip flood cause 343 never going back to M

[elder meadow]

And playing from a birds eye view as an RTS the amount of Gore isnt relevant compared to a first person shooter

[winter stream]

there were still cutscenes that were more graphic

[still lily]

need flood back :( only having 1 faction boring.

and prometheans were terrible in 4 and were better in 5 but still looked like shit

just expand the already existing sentinels

why is halo 2 the only game that bothered to add more sentinels?

[elder meadow]

🤷

[halcyon bear]

[hoary prairie]

Who’s want to play doom?

[slim pebble]

It was nice to see the gold ones return in Infinite though

[still lily]

gold sentinels with blue beams my beloved

[halcyon bear]

[elder meadow]

the concepts for infinite are truly magnificent but never happened because of time restraints

Such as Wildlife, story, environments

[slim pebble]

I still hate that most of the story happened offscreen.

[still lily]

bro they literally delayed the game

skill issue.

and had like 6 years

me and a modding team could probably make a better campaign in 6 years lmfao

[slim pebble]

I doubt they're gonna make campaign DLC, whatever happens afterwards will probably be told in a book

[south junco]

Halo Infinite was just another case of development hell

I remember one review of an ex employee stated that during development there were about 3 different groups within the company that had different ideas for what the game should be and they'd all sabotage each other to get their way

among other reviews stating general disagreements, not being able to decide on anything, upper management not communicating shit

[halcyon bear]

Day 9 of talking about halo in the doom 2016 page

[elder meadow]

doom 2016 turned into halo 👏👏👏

[halcyon bear]

I mean it was a good talk for a bit though

[elder meadow]

ye

[cold root]

this channel went from doom-2016 to halo-general

[wise cape]

lol

[cold root]

in regards to the super shotgun, it has an “upgrade” that allows you to fire 2 shells individually instead of at the same time

I swear I didn’t saw any damage change from that

[winter stream]

it's just double the shots since you can't fire "both barrels" at the same time once you get the upgrade

[halcyon bear]

Its still counts as 2 per each shot I believe in terms of dps

[quasi haven]

This game is siiiick. Got via gamepass

[elder meadow]

wait isnt doom 2016 not available on gamepass anymore?

oh makes sense if you bought it when it was

[quasi haven]

Still in gamepass

All of them are

[elder meadow]

do you play on console?

[quasi haven]

Yes. On Xbox.

[elder meadow]

ah i see

[opal shale]

Exactly, the books aren't actually needed to enjoy the original trilogy. Just like they're not needed to enjoy the modern trilogy.

[opal shale]

The Campaign is excellent. Whether you like it or not, that's up to you, but your comment isn't fact. The game was reviewed extremely well. 87% average on Metacritic. That's not " the worst FPS ever made" by any means. Of all the Halo shooters, no Campaign released is a bad Campaign.

[opal shale]

Yes, by Bungie themselves. You're also forgetting all of the story issues with Halo 3.

[opal shale]

Mine as well, the best Campaign to-date in my opinion. Both story-wise, and what the gameplay did for the time.

[still lily]

ign gives every game a 9/10 so idc what normie critics have to say. as a halo fan its a complete disaster and waste of code

[halcyon bear]

Why don't you guys just take this to general before a mod ends up yelling at you. Cause it'll happen at this point

[still lily]

player retention showed enough. it literally died in a month

reaches population was bigger shortly after launch

[still lily]

wahhhh wahhhhhh mods!!!! ermm! admins!!

[opal shale]

Thanks for proving my point.

[halcyon bear]

Its just insanely annoying at this point buddy

And maybe I will wah

[still lily]

tf we gonna talk about anyways. 2016 is better than eternal wah wah snapmap is the best level editor ever made, i wish more people modded this game. look at what i made in snapmap. there we go, i just talked about everything id ever talk about on this channel lmao
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832525723699904542/1095438452046168094/Doom_2023.04.11_-_12.57.42.125.DVR.mp4

[halcyon bear]

Sounds like a true jack ass

Which you have been for days

Done with your fool ass

[opal shale]

I assume you mean in Halo 5: Guardians specifically? Blue Team's "purpose" was to deal with Argent Moon, which Jul's Covenant had occupied. After Cortana reached out to John, he went to help/retrieve her against orders, and Blue Team followed him, being loyal.

Fireteam Osiris's "purpose" was to retrieve Halsey, and then to go after and retrieve John. As the consequences of Cortana's actions escalated, Fireteam Osiris' mission changed from retrieving John to aiding Blue Team in stopping Cortana and her Created.

[still lily]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/730452290896527450/1095442736032796772/Screenshot_20230411_131800_Discord.jpg

[fossil island]

Just checking is this halo chat or #doom-2016 chat?

[still lily]

this is you @halcyon bear after i burn you in hellfire with my stun shockwave ability

[still lily]

whats wrong with me? that we dont share 100% the same opinions? Pretty childish tbh.

[fossil island]

Lets stay respectful everyone. You can disagree with stuff, but keep it civil guys.

[fossil island]

This needs a fart sound effect. Just saying.

sry

[still lily]

possible with modding. i made it a vine boom for testing 😭

[fossil island]

how can you even mod it that crazy? ive seen some wild stuff, but i dont recall snapmap being THAT powerful

[still lily]

snaphak and other modding tools. whats best about snaphak is that it still works on consoles for the most part.

[fossil island]

thats actually crazy

[still lily]

it is. this map will 100% work on an xbox or Playstation

[fossil island]

dayum

[halcyon bear]

Sounds about right

[still lily]

cuz theres no external assets its all within game

[fossil island]

And there is no "signing" or anything i suppose that allows for stuff like this?

[still lily]

but with pc modding we could make way crazier shit. Like i made a quick space scene a few months back

[still lily]

signing?

[fossil island]

yeah i remember seeing that!

[fossil island]

like... verify its made in the "original snapmap" not a modded tool

[still lily]

snaphak just modifys whats already Avaliable in game. just locked behind ui.

everything snaphak could do, vanilla snapmap could, if the ui supported it

[fossil island]

ha! bet the dev's didnt see it coming, or maybe they did lol

[still lily]

really makes ya wonder.. why didnt they just let loose and just let even console guys play around? If it crashes who cares? Limits be damned

[fossil island]

well... games are made for a wide audience to appeal to as many people as possible when planning a feature.

[still lily]

yeah so have more features lmao

to appeal to even more people

snapmap got written off as some mid level editor when its literally a tiny game dev kit with snaphak.

wish it launched like this

[halcyon bear]

Most likely future games will lack it also. Pure shame

[fossil island]

guess they had the metrics that made them realize that it was kinda unused

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[winter stream]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1025401079095115847/1072933948625264640/space_HD_720p_MEDIUM_FR30.mp4

[fossil island]

but i can totally see where telesnow is coming from

[still lily]

yeah that scene lol. made in literally 1 night

[fossil island]

shut up

this aint snapmap

u fuckin with me

[winter stream]

Actual mods in this case

[still lily]

i wish consoles had mod support

id go crazy

actually i wish this game had mod support in general 🥹

[halcyon bear]

Making it an achievement and the lack of a solid rating system to help find the gems really was a huge reason for that

[fossil island]

bit offtopic, but im hella surprised how many mods there are for eternal

[still lily]

nothing we couldnt do aswell

[halcyon bear]

I still need to try co op

[still lily]

99.9% skins lmao

eternal had a much larger audience and people wanting to mod it. perfect time for mod support right? Oh? Right..

[winter stream]

Cause more popular. The games only really got cracked open after eternals release

[fossil island]

yeah

[still lily]

i will become billionaire and buy zenimax and make mod support

[fossil island]

les go

[halcyon bear]

Doom without mods in mind is just a strange business model

[fossil island]

you should buy MS cause atm its MS > Zenimax > Bethesda > id software

[winter stream]

Just need to find the Infinite money glitch irl

[still lily]

oh right i forgot

halo and doom are in the same family now

[fossil island]

btw. if you buy MS, remove the win11 spyware thanks

[halcyon bear]

[still lily]

is there really. downgrading to win 10 rn

nah too lazy lmao

[elder meadow]

got rid of edge

[fossil island]

its a lot worse and aggressive with metrics and data collection than win10 yea

but i digress

[still lily]

using discord or any form of social media my data is fucked. they probably know my favorite color at this point

[fossil island]

that is true yeah...

They even log how long you stay in a channel for

[winter stream]

I get ads based on verbal conversations I have

So rip

[halcyon bear]

I've noticed shit like that. Actually scary

[still lily]

bill gates knows im only here for doom 2016

[halcyon bear]

All 3 of us

[fossil island]

what is doom

[winter stream]

Send to China when short on money

[still lily]

tencent looking at all this juicy data rn

[halcyon bear]

China version of doom =poom

[still lily]

imma start lying to everyone online so they dont get accurate data

ask alexa to remind me to buy pinapples and get oranges instead always keep them guessing

[winter stream]

Ai will predict truths and lies based on past data

[still lily]

its joever

[fossil island]

probably the best you can do honestly. But we should slowly return to doom 2016. I cant warn people for being offtopic and participate in offtopic discussions

[halcyon bear]

Tele is right that only 5 of us talk about the same things here but even so occasionally we get some pretty great convos

[winter stream]

Speak in doom code

[still lily]

well. ig ill keep working on my class for this snapmap. next dude is gonna deploy.. an armor repairing nanobot cluster

because that sounds cool

[winter stream]

Ai = vega, data = argent, China = hell

Microsoft = UAC

Resume convo

[halcyon bear]

China as UAC would mean everything just breaks faster

[still lily]

Vega is taking my argent energy and sending it to hell with UAC backing this all up

[halcyon bear]

See you all in the work camp in 20 years

[winter stream]

Unwilling labor

[still lily]

Possesed Shoveler

[halcyon bear]

Master doom marine cheif will save us and finish the raze hell

[winter stream]

Another 20 hour shift in the argent mines

[halcyon bear]

Re education Mines *

[still lily]

argent mining idtech 6 rn. gonna make a snapmap standalone game

[winter stream]

Doom Infinite

Halo Eternal

[prime ocean]

I need multiplayer achievements 😩

and I can’t find a match 😔

• for some reason I can’t get the kill the cyberdemon reward despite me killing it twice already

[elder meadow]

Like their sanity

[past horizon]

gotta say

doom 2016 is piss easy

especially when you get siege mode, upgrade the ammo boost rune, and when you know about the combo thingy from eternal

[halcyon bear]

Makes eternals nightmare look casual AF actually

[tepid jolt]

I play without getting runes (or seige mode) or upgrading mods for a reason. Playing it without those things is more fun

[halcyon bear]

Well I guess that's why they balanced nightmare better in eternal. More accessible

[tepid jolt]

Nightmare in 2016 almost feels like a different game, mostly from Imps doing crazy damage

[halcyon bear]

Ya imps for sure but even that I mean I've been playing since launch and even today I can still botch a nightmare or un run by doing something stupid. Eternals mechanics are so smooth well oiled and after learning the fun zone you have to go out your way to botch a nightmare playthrough

[tepid jolt]

I honestly prefer the hardest difficulty being kinda ridiculous personally

[halcyon bear]

Ya exactly and on that note if I die like even 3 or 4 times I never have the balls to call a game easy. Makes me feel like shit

[brittle yoke]

i finished 2016 and eternal months ago

[past horizon]

im not playing on nightmare because imps are just unfair

[halcyon bear]

Now I never blame anyone for not touching 2016 nightmare

Makes perfect sense

[past horizon]

i only got past the first actual combat room in 2016 nightmare

never did get much further because it is obtusely hard

i think 2016's balancing is just... broken

you have imps just slapping you and erasing your entire hp in 2 hits

[tepid jolt]

I kind of wish Ultra Nightmare had a different modifier than permadeath. That never set right with me. I would rather it be you have to pistol start each mission ML classic mode style or demons getting stronger the longer they’ve been spawned in.

[past horizon]

and then theres infinite BFG ammo and siege mode doing 59 quadrillion damage and being ultra spammable

[tepid jolt]

The RPG progression stuff is definitely broken. I honestly wish they hadn’t implemented runes or mastery at all

[past horizon]

i dont think 2016 was built with comboing in mind either so once you learn it in eternal, you can just kill barons and stuff before they even react

[elder meadow]

90 hp damage no joke

[halcyon bear]

I'd like un to stay with added challenge so maybe buffed demons or added demons imagine early barons and such

[past horizon]

respawning demons

and the revival of chaingunners

[halcyon bear]

As it should be

Hahaha

[past horizon]

i wonder why hell razers arent in eternal?

[cold root]

perhaps id thought they were useless

[tepid jolt]

I honestly think permadeath is kind of a silly mechanic to put in an action game. If it made you restart the mission on death, that might be okay, but automatically erasing the save file is unreasonable imo

[halcyon bear]

True or even a new variant that fits its esthetic better

[cold root]

they really brought back Summoners but not Hell Razers lol

[tepid jolt]

People can absolutely do a self imposed no death run if they want to.

[past horizon]

they made the summoners genuinely annoying and stupid to deal with in doom eternal

[cold root]

the Mecha Zombie is probably the closest thing to an Eternal Hell Razer

[past horizon]

kind of the reason why i just stopped playing the dlcs on UV

they just make everything unfair

and god forbid they possess a pain elemental or marauder

[halcyon bear]

Very true but the fact hr is just a solider with some sort of parasitic worm in it is kinda epic

[past horizon]

that explains why they counted for soldier glory kills

was super confused on why they counted for those challenges in 2016

[cold root]

Razers often just run around and not doing anything more than actually attacking you

[halcyon bear]

It definitely needed a later variant with a second veiw que area of effect attack for added challenge rather than beam shots everywhere

[past horizon]

tbh hell razers were just kinda

[cold root]

honestly, if the Hell Razer was in Eternal, I don't think its design would have changed much

[past horizon]

not even a threat

[halcyon bear]

Just would have looked different because the hosts wouldn't be uac mars uniformed soilders

[tepid jolt]

Hell Razers are at least in theory the optimal way to do hitscanners in modern Doom. Like imagine if chaingunners telegraphed their line of sight that way and just immediately opened fire with hitscan when you were in its line of fire but there was a hard cap on how fast they could pivot

[elder meadow]

you have so much mobility no way of getting hit

[cold root]

I was referring to its design, not attacks

[elder meadow]

same ig

[past horizon]

yeah i was thinking of hell razers being the closest to a hitscan enemy in 2016

like chaingunners but not bs

[halcyon bear]

Fun fact the do replace chaingunner sprites In doom 4 vanilla mod

[past horizon]

in the classic maps?

[cold root]

I actually don't even remember how the Razers do their beam attack. I remember it being that they stop moving, aim then fire

[tepid jolt]

Eternal’s chaingunners make me kinda sad. Such a legendary classic demon reduced to being a mini arachnotron with a shield

[halcyon bear]

Ya it's a classic doom mod that recreates doom 2016 really great fun actually. Not as good as embers of armageddon though

[cold root]

outside of the bosses, I think the Hell Razer is the only 2016 enemy that didn't return in Eternal

[past horizon]

theres chaingunners in doom eternal?

are the riot soldiers chaingunners?

[cold root]

in TAG 2

[tepid jolt]

TAG 2

[past horizon]

at least they dont instantly drain your health the instant you enter their line of sight...

in eternal anyways

im assuming the riot soldiers are chaingunners

[tepid jolt]

Lol. Chaingunners in Doom 2 are pretty fair due to having the reaction time delay like other demons. You just have to respect their sightlines

[cold root]

Plutonia enters the chat

[past horizon]

they have a chance to just keep firing even if you go out of sight

[tepid jolt]

Plutonia chaingunners are less fair

They have a chance to fire an extra shot or two. Don’t immediately pop back out and you’ll be fine

[cold root]

I wouldn't be surprised if Chaingunners are the most common enemies in Plutonia

[tepid jolt]

They may be

Also chaingunners have deceptively bad aim out of point blank range. If you’re at a distance you can just take the time line up perfect shots and you can usually take them out before they land a single bullet

[cold root]

ah so they become Stormtroopers at medium-long range

[tepid jolt]

Kinda. Basically they have a cone of angles they can shoot. It’s the same angle of 8 degrees left and 8 degrees right as your pistol and chaingun (and shotgun pellets) but if you tap fire you can hit with perfect accuracy

They can’t tap fire

You won’t really notice that RNG at very close range but it’s pretty significant further away

[placid sparrow]

Welp. Completed Doom 2016 and defeated the final boss on my first attempt!

[past horizon]

well im finally done with the game on UV while getting pretty much every secret and item

[winter stream]

That's one of their attacks. The other is a quick horizontal beam swipe

[cold root]

lol

[past horizon]

am i the only one having issues beating classic maps in doom 2016

the enemy spam is absolutely ridiculous

i have to abuse the hell out of the rocket launcher to survive

[past horizon]

i dont think the blue key spawned in halls of the damned

so i skipped the level

[past horizon]

went back and finished the level

turns out i looked literally everywhere but the one spot where the key was

i fucking hated the pinkies in the classic maps though

it was a mixed experience

[tepid jolt]

I just died from a Pinky bite after I killed it. Weirdest bug I’ve seen in a minute

[halcyon bear]

Sounds like something that would happen in real life honestly

Kinda metal

[tepid jolt]

To be clear I went into proximity of the dead pinky’s dismembered torso and then was bitten

[halcyon bear]

Sounds like a rookies hunting mistake. Always double tap

[cold root]

sometimes, when you deal the killing blow on a Hell Knight by shooting his arm and it blows up, he touches his arm as he dies

I always found that to be funny

[halcyon bear]

Oh absolutely. I mean just going into shock like how the hell did that happen

[hoary prairie]

I love your pfp

Is everyone here playing on switch?

[wraith tangle]

some people do but definitely not everyone

[slim pebble]

Anyone else find a lot of the gun designs sexy?

[fickle radish]

I really like the 2016 Super Shotgun

[still lily]

grenade launcher my beloved

[still lily]

yes every single person ever is playing the worst version of 2016

[zenith heart]

I have but have not even played it

[dire flint]

how do I keep 2016 from corrupting the save files whenever I try for a rune or go from level to level.

[winter stream]

Are you playing with mods and/or enabling devmode?

[dire flint]

Na I haven't messed w that

[winter stream]

no idea then, that's not normal for save files to do that

[warm crag]

Relatable

[elder meadow]

gauss canon get me actin unwise

[sharp vigil]

unmaker makes me go daayymn

[hazy wigeon]

I just got the collection on switch but I have it on Xbox too

I'd like to see if we could get a multiplayer match running sometime I think its really slept on and a shame its dead most of the time

[rich merlin]

I do play on switch as well. If we can get enough people we can get some multiplayer going

[topaz vector]

lmk if you get enough ppl for multi.. I'd like to get all the achievements

[hoary prairie]

I got three people who plays this on switch on a different server, want me to invite you?

[hoary prairie]

I have a sever where I got three people who plays this game, do you want me to invite you?

[rich merlin]

On switch or what platform?

I'm down if you guys play.

Either eternal battlemde or 2016s multiplayer

[hoary prairie]

On switch

[hoary prairie]

Is your dms open?

[hoary prairie]

Is your dms open?

[elder meadow]

Eh they’re alright

Tbh I think most of the guns in eternal and the classics are better

Rocket launcher and plasma rifle are probably the most mid of 2016’s weapons

Gauss Rifle and BFG do go hard though

[snow heron]

The Reaper and Gauss Cannon designs are my favorites

[tepid jolt]

Are there any good modded enemies (variants count)?

[still lily]

@slow plover made a few cool ones. Where's Lean Mancubus?

[tepid jolt]

That sounds interesting.

[elder meadow]

lean mancubus ok

[last void]

I am in Doom 2016's multiplayer servers and they are dead, anyone want to join me?

I just got the game on PC and want to start leveling my character

[dense plover]

Hello

[void venture]

hi

[dense plover]

Whats up

[warm crag]

Relatable

[viscid depot]

Hey, I'm facing a problem in DOOM where I can't hear any kind of audio except when I'm in the loading screens. I checked other games, they're fine, I checked general audio settings and everything is fine as well. The game itself is the problem. Can someone help?

[elder meadow]

verify game files in steam

[warm crag]

I had the same problem ( if we are talking about DOOM 2016)i just verified it in steam👍🏼

[marble sundial]

Is anyone willing to make a private match?

[wicked glen]

Im trying to get the Doom plat and i need to win a match and get to level 5 im on ps4 is there any advice?

[dense plover]

I never finished doom 2016

[halcyon bear]

Cool

[cold root]

I actually bought 2016 back in 2020, but didn't played it until last year

partly because my pc was very shit so I couldn't run it well

[halcyon bear]

Makes sense

[hazy wigeon]

Oh crap sorry I didn't see this sooner if its a server or something go for it!

[hazy wigeon]

Think so :)

[wicked glen]

guess ill get a pseudo plat

[winter stream]

Multiplayer Achievements are almost always a bad idea to put in a game unless it is a multiplayer-only game

[wicked glen]

i know its awfull now i either forget the plat or insist until i get it or until it breaks me

[still lily]

nowhere near as bad as MCC MP achievements

[chilly vigil]

Hi, I would like to join you 🖐️

Or maybe you guys have some channels where people do mp achievements boosting or something like that?

[elder meadow]

Hi

[cold root]

though I think Eternal is the better of the two, 2016 has more satisfying glory kill animations imo. it has things like crushing, punching and stomping, while a lot of Eternal's glory kills are stabbing or slicing stuff with the Doom Blade

[hushed vault]

Eternal's sound design doesn't suck ass and the gameplay is actually balanced for the most part

[tepid jolt]

I love both games.

I think 2016 has better overall atmosphere and isn’t as overcomplicated but Eternal has a really good cast of demons and a better balanced arsenal. Pity Eternal doesn’t have Snapmap

[halcyon bear]

Baron 👁️

[tepid jolt]

The 2016 demons are well designed but there isn’t quite enough variety imo.

[snow heron]

I do prefer some of 2016s designs to Eternal’s though

Like the Baron for example

[still lily]

de bad 2016 good. simple as. luv gauss cannon, 'ate balls-ista luv 2016 hell knight 'ate DE hell nut

[elder meadow]

Eh looking back on it I don’t really like 2016’s artstyle

Don’t get me wrong it’s got some great demon designs but the color pallet, samey environments, flatter level design, and many of the weapon designs just don’t do it for me personally

Also Eternal’s praetor suit is so much better imho

[elder meadow]

I love both 2016 and Eternals Baron designs. Wish we could’ve seen both of them. Maybe 2016’s Baron as a slightly weaker variant.

New Hell Knight was a miss though, but for the most part I prefer the new Demons

[snow heron]

I get the Baron in Eternal is supposed to be a different species of Baron and I like the design but the pinkish red one will always be my favorite

[elder meadow]

I get that it’s a classic

Maybe my favorite reinterpretation of a classic sprite in modern Doom

[tepid jolt]

I love both 2016 and Eternal designs but I was more referring to how Eternal has a more varied cast thanks to demons like marauders, Doom Hunters, and whiplashes

[elder meadow]

I know

Just brought it up because I was talking about how 2016’s artstyle compares to Eternal

But yeah it’s a Doom 1 vs 2 situation. What’s there was already great, but it’s hard to imagine playing a game without those new demons

Wish I could post that demon tierlist I made but no perms

[tepid jolt]

Also has the situation where the first game has a clearer vision while the second made some important improvements to the overall system and arsenal

[elder meadow]

based opinion but 2016 is better than eternal

[still lily]

based

[elder meadow]

Not based

[still lily]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/744400593690296609/1096945010156515410/Doom_2023.04.15_-_16.46.39.49.DVR.mp4

infection is fun af in doom lmao

never played it until now

[elder meadow]

oh hell yea

[winter stream]

I hate eternals praetor design. I unlocked the 2016 praetor skin with cores as soon as I could.

Just edgier and not a fan of the exposed skin

[elder meadow]

Prefer the colors and the exposed biceps make it so much better

So I guess we have opposite tastes

the suit on the cover art looks badass

[still lily]

the exposed skin is cringe af

[elder meadow]

true lol

Many L’s tonight

[still lily]

i love men but like.. bro.. you go into space make it air tight

[elder meadow]

exposed skin and you travel across mars

Doomguy is just too cool to give a shit

Mf’s acting like he wasn’t fighting titans butt ass naked in hell for thousands of years

e

[still lily]

boringgg

[elder meadow]

Naked Doomguy when

[still lily]

i like my protagonists not as invincible gods. theres no stakes

doomguy if he was just some regualr guy would be so much cooler

[elder meadow]

2016 intro bur sad he immediately hops on suit

Just play the originals then

[still lily]

just a dude that lifts weights and chugs beer

[elder meadow]

Or doom 3

That’s a mf who doesn’t give a fuck

He can shrug off soul possession with sheer willpower

lol

[still lily]

since you die in like 2 hits on nightmare it felt like it made the most since

like you literally get your arms ripped off like butter in 2016

hard to believe hes some invincible god like being

and i perfer it that way

[elder meadow]

Most play people on easy-medium, which falls in line with the unstoppable force of nature power fantasy