The bathroom thing never triggered
#doom-3
little raven
wild pollen
wHAt bAthrOOm???
honest lynx
Did you stare into it until you could see your soul burning in hell forever?
wild pollen
welp. I better bring out a weapon to surpass Metal Gear
opens up Google
manic iron
guns in doom 3 also sound like shit
manic iron
the sprint is fast
wild pollen
JESUS CHRIST that's horrifying
honest lynx
Play on nightmare if you want a more fast paced playthrough. Especially for those who complain about it being tooooo slow
versed estuary
Now imagine that bathroom scene, not expecting it, fully immersed in the game, headphones are night
wild pollen
But you start with the soul cube so no
versed estuary
only on nightmare
little raven
Have any of you played doom 3 in vr
wild pollen
Yeah so I don't wanna play Nightmare
wanton epoch
guys i have a question
manic iron
go for it
wild pollen
Also you can only kill the one. cyberdemon with Soul Cubes right?
wanton epoch
what's doom eternal
manic iron
archviles in doom 3 are pathetic
honest lynx
You should play nightmare at least once. It's a pretty good time in my opinion
versed estuary
Something you don’t talk about in this chat @wanton epoch
little raven
Wow your fucking hilarious
wild pollen
So that explains the unkillable one in that GMod addon
versed estuary
Go to #doom-eternal
manic iron
never liked em
wanton epoch
ok
wild pollen
Cool
versed estuary
No it’s not wtf
little raven
No it’s not
honest lynx
No it's not
little raven
It’s the worst the boss fight in all of doom
wild pollen
Does he shoot Fuck you lasers like the D2016 one?
little raven
No he doesn’t shoot you
honest lynx
No he walks around like an idiot doing nothing
wild pollen
What
little raven
He never shot me
wild pollen
confuson
versed estuary
You walk in a circle, kill a few imps, throw a cube, repeat. Most boring garbage fight in all of doom.Only “barely” better than thr Icon of sin fight in doom 2
little raven
@red island did we play the same doom 3
wild pollen
Sure?
versed estuary
Fair
honest lynx
But did you play on recruit while you walk towards his feet to get stomped. That's the question
little raven
I didn’t even know he attacked
little raven
You obviously had a mod that made the fight better
versed estuary
Man veteran felt easy enough as a first playthrough I can only imagine how easy recruit is
wild pollen
"Doom 3 was never really a challenge in my opinion"
The same guy who died about 5 or so times on Hell on Earth
honest lynx
How are you getting up to his feet to get stomped then
little raven
@red island you playing on xbox?
honest lynx
I fell off the map out the door my first time. That was funny
honest lynx
Hahaha same
little raven
I really don’t think we fought the same final boss
versed estuary
I play BFG fun af
honest lynx
Do not awaken the cheese with those words bob
versed estuary
Don’t you mean the Trite ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
little raven
Trite mvp
honest lynx
Hahahaha TRite for life
little raven
Bfg has one more good thing
honest lynx
Well that's just like... your opinion maaaan
little raven
You can play in vr and doom 3 is kickass kn vr
Probably cause carmack has working on the oculus same time has bfg edition cam out
honest lynx
I can hear his voice explaining to me that vr is the future
versed estuary
BFG is better for more reasons than just playing Lost Mission
wanton epoch
i just got warned for asking what doom eternal is in multiple channels
honest lynx
Google is a cool tool check it out
versed estuary
Don’t encourage him
versed estuary
Guys
honest lynx
Yeah I was creeping your argument with that other guy. It was funny
wanton epoch
oh ok
honest lynx
Something about challenging games arent fun for you
versed estuary
I don’t find 3 “challenging”
wanton epoch
from what I've played 3 is the easiest in the series
versed estuary
Eh I’d say doom 1-2 are hardest. 2016 easiest. 3 sorta in the limbo
If nothing else purely because of hitscanners
wanton epoch
3 is good tho
versed estuary
All the shotgunners pistol holders smg holders
wanton epoch
ah yes the smg
versed estuary
Shotgunners that use slug rounds
wanton epoch
my favourite doom 2 gun
versed estuary
In doom 1-2 chaingunners, shotgunners. Ar holders
wanton epoch
yeah
versed estuary
Actually I take it all back, doom 3 is hardest, doom 1-2 limbo, 2016 easiest
wanton epoch
basically just murder them all when you walk in to the room
versed estuary
The fact alone that shotgunners can snipe you in doom 3 is ridiculous
wanton epoch
You can’t start doom 3 on nightmare
@versed estuary ah ok
versed estuary
On nightmare they snipe you for your 25 hp
From basically across the hallway
On veteran They still snipe but it’s more Like 15-20 damage
Personally I think I prefer Veteran. Having the constant 25 hp hurts on nightmare. It makes me play more passive like 2016 does when you are hurt
If I’m playing doom I expect to be constantly ripping and tearing. Not hiding/ running away the entire time
wanton epoch
doom 3 is the sequel to 64 more than 2
wanton epoch
but 64 is better than 3 in every way lol
honest lynx
Wish they made it a prequel.. but they messed up the timeline
honest lynx
I liked how the demon got impaled on the helicopter blade though in that doom 4 demo
wanton epoch
the finished doom 4 is a sequel to quake
honest lynx
Yeah that's why I love it. Its it's own beast. But I enjoy slow pace as well. Everyone is different
I also enjoy corny 80s slashers. But they arent winning an academy award any time soon
wanton epoch
I also enjoy corny 80s slashers. But they arent winning an academy award any time soon
@honest lynx couldn't agree more
indeed
acoustic kayakBOT
Indeed!
wanton epoch
for some reason i really like doom 3s graphics
early 2000s graphics just get me for some reason
oak prism
Sniper shotguns are no problem for me, just throw grenades and use the rocket launcher
Also helps they are incredibly stupid. In fact, every enemy in Doom 3 is so stupid
oak prism
Doom 3 is probably the easiest Doom game in the entire series, even on Nightmare
oak prism
Also headshots, they actually do more damage in Doom 3 even if they don't look like such
Don't be fooled by the lack of flinching on enemies, headshots are good on those hitscanners
oak prism
Some call it the assault rifle, some call it the smg, I call it the assault rifle myself 😛
honest lynx
Same bro haha
dire crystal
Doom 3 is def easiest on PC, but on a gamepad it’s harder that both 2016 and Eternal, goddamn those Revenants
Doom 2016 is really awesome, but with how faithful it was to visual style of Doom 3 it’s a damn shame they didn’t include a bit of horror elements. There were totally places where it looked spooky but lacked any sound ambiance.
little raven
This game has affected me too much
dire crystal
Hail trites
scenic stratus
TRITE
versed estuary
He has been summoned
honest lynx
Lord of og doom 3
scenic stratus
I still have to do RoE on nightmare, dont know when but it WILL be done 
wild pollen
WELL SHIT
My dad says I can't pirate shit cus my PC might be infected by some horny virus
So I can't get both Doom 2016 and 3 now
Bloody hell
boreal adder
is it not possible to buy them normally where you are?
I know some countries make it difficult
wild pollen
No
It's just
I'm broke as fukc
No shit for myself until my parents pay off my late grandma's hospital bills
boreal adder
ouch
you can always ask if somebody else has got an extra copy on steam. I don't, but I'm sure it happens to some folks
wild pollen
At this point I'm begging some random stranger can gift it to me
Because we'll probably be in crippling debt until the end of the year
boreal adder
the stress bleeds down
boreal adder
as I said, ouch
honest lynx
Man having hospital bills must suck
wild pollen
Um update
So at this point my parents are just paying the crippling debt
And they got enough money for Doom 2016
So um
All this graveling was worthless
little raven
good for you
wild pollen
yay
fluid seal
You can't just shoot a hole into the surface of Mars City
scenic stratus
you cant just share sad personal details in doom 3 channel
new objective, share sad personal details in doom 3 channel
honest lynx
Share your sad tale of playing lost missions on bfg
scenic stratus
lost mission is ok though, not great, but ok
honest lynx
I like how the wraith tries to stay up murder you right away and all you have a pistol. One hit you dead. Not that it ever happened but still
scenic stratus
I like how the wraith tries to stay up murder you right away and all you have a pistol. One hit you dead. Not that it ever happened but still
Lost Mission is just fanfiction, change my mind
honest lynx
Bravo team was all whipped out change my mind
scenic stratus
thats how it was intended, i always considered lost mission to be a "what if?" situation.
scenic stratus
oh ok
boreal adder
The whole subplot of who was hacking into the base computers wasn't resolved in Doom 3 or ROE
But Lost Mission certainly doesn't feel like it was written by the same caliber of writers...
scenic stratus
Bruisers were a pain in LM
scenic stratus
does anyone know of any mods that make the game less scary? like removing jumpscares adding light and stuff
honest lynx
Blasphemy!!!!
fluid seal
"I would also like to add that this new transfer is exceedingly rude. He has hovered over me reading everything I type. STOP IT"
scenic stratus
the best part of doom 3
versed estuary
Doom 3 is currently
$1.50 USD
roe is .89 cents USD
On steam
honest lynx
More people to join our cause! Spread the news
manic iron
If you want a brighter version of doom 3 theres always bfg edition
Tho i dunno why you would want to make the my game less scary
manic iron
Thats kinda the whole thing doom 3 went for
versed estuary
Although tbh the classic bundle is more worthy
scenic stratus
$3.39 for RoE and the main campaign is a steal.
scenic stratus
Wow Im not a TRITE anymore
versed estuary
He has become stronger than any Trite
scenic stratus
Think I only died to Trites in my nightmare run twice.
sterile pasture
Is Doom 3 connected to the other games?
versed estuary
No
honest lynx
It should have been
scenic stratus
Running through Doom 3 Xbox on marine..
so I can get to Nightmare quicker
ok in all honesty, i have an unfinished marine file from years ago and i wanted to finish it, im not that much of a heretic
honest lynx
BURN him!!!!!
scenic stratus
playing doom 3 with this shitty 3rd party controller is like trying to aim an assault rifle while high. im done, i'll just play the superior pc version.
manic iron
You could always get both, they go for cheap now a days
wanton epoch
doom 3's shotgun is sad
honest lynx
Getting bfg edition first would be a mistake
honest lynx
I think I’ll do BFG edition.
@scenic stratus @scenic stratus
scenic stratus
@scenic stratus NOOO buy the original 
versed estuary
BFG is better if you don’t like super dark games and prefer to see what is in front of you
honest lynx
I love the edition cheese says I cant name anymore. But I think its important that you do og first if you get a chance
scenic stratus
you can talk about whatever you want lol, im not serious
honest lynx
I was kidding too bra. But ya the og game is pretty damn special
scenic stratus
all i know is the original flashlight and darker atmosphere made nightmare just a little harder, in a good way
honest lynx
My nightmare run on og when I was a kid was tough. I distinctly remember trying to flashlight an imp when I ran out of ammo
Then again I sucked. Unlike now. Now I'm a god
boreal adder
hey I can see fine in OG
don't know what people are complaining about really
...though I probably have above-average night vision IRL
scenic stratus
versed estuary
Nice
BFG removes a few part of levels, but has more ammo and is brighter and shoulder flashlight.
Meanwhile OG is darker and has the intended experience
Yes
Arguably ROE is the best part of doom 3
ROE adds the ssg and is a smaller expansion, but much more action
Not bad at all
Hope you enjoy doom 3
Personally doom 3 is my second favorite doom game
Yes
honest lynx
Its definitely one of the best doom games hands down. I play it a couple of times a year
scenic stratus
I've beaten it 5 times in the past 2 years, one of which was on nightmare. definitely the most underrated doom game
versed estuary
I’ve beaten it once 😄
honest lynx
Soon you will join the nightmare club too bob
versed estuary
Soon
For sure I plan to beat Campaign nightmare
Lost mission veteran
“Maybe” I’ll do doom 3 roe veteran too haven’t decided
honest lynx
Roe is pretty great on nightmare but it does lose a bit of that you're a bad ass vibe
Malidict is an actual boss in it for sure at least
scenic stratus
How far are you Bob?
versed estuary
I see commandos with the arms
honest lynx
My favourite is the part when you jump down the latter after talking to Swan and you get attacked by 2 commandos and 2 Archies and then a rev by the elevator. Hahaha
scenic stratus
I shotgunned a lot of archies
manic iron
I usually save rockets, bfg and the soul cube for archviles and hell knights
scenic stratus
Multiple times they snuck up on me when I had shotgun in my hand, so I just circle strafed a bit and shot em after they attacked.
huh, you ever heard of dhewm3? its a source port with full widescreen support and eax audio on all audio drivers.
its the most stable way to play doom 3 on a modern device
dire crystal
Try using in game console instead of restarting the game. Console is brought up by typing Ctrl+Alt+~
Console commands like R_mode, R_customWidth, r_customHeight, R_aspectRatio are used to set your preferred resolution, and vid_restart sets the new resolution right away. Also your PC may be incorrectly rated as a low-spec by the game. In that case try com_machineSpec 3
honest lynx
Chainsaw works well for Archies as well if you want to stop them from summoning fast
minor raft
Doom 3 in VR is by far the best VR experience I’ve ever had. Might have to turn up the difficulty, my health has only dropped below 75% once, and I’m flush with ammo. Seriously, buy the BFG edition ($10 on steam sale) and get the fully possessed VR mod for it
scenic stratus
DOOM 3 is the worst DOOM game imo. Not a bad game by any means, but a bad DOOM game
minor raft
I prefer the term “least best”
scenic stratus
Yeah
minor raft
Vanilla Doom 3 is probably at the bottom of my made up doom tier list. Great game, not so much a great Doom game.
But the horror aspects really shine in VR, even if I haven’t actually gotten scared. The monster closets and darkness work super well
The VR flashlight is infinitely better than the shoulder, gun, or vanilla flashlight
honest lynx
Play on nightmare if it isnt fast paced enough for you.
dire crystal
Never understood the “bad Doom game” description. Doom 1-2 was not that power fantasy that people see it now. Playing it originally on keyboard only it was pretty unnerving. Also id didn’t really thought of Doom as of peculiar title, they just made an “id game” and then labeled it either Doom or Quake. Doom 3 came after Quake 2 and carries much from it
honest lynx
Not if you go right up nice and close to a demon and give it a rectal exam with it
scenic stratus
no, thats bfg edition, the original doom 3 is better anyway.
charred fox
Doom 3’s shotgun is the best gun ever made
versed estuary
I do wish it wasn’t as inaccurate tho. Sometimes an imp dies in 1 point blank. Or 7
little raven
It sounds so good
charred fox
Yea lol
versed estuary
Granted SSG fixes that in ROE
little raven
But in practice it sucks
charred fox
It spreads like pepper spray
There’s mods that fix it tho but I don’t remember which one did it
Doom 3 with tighter spread is amazing though
scenic stratus
most of my deaths in nightmare were because i shotgunned an imp while really close and it somehow didnt kill them.
the shotgun in this game sucks
little raven
Most of mu deaths are me not having the soup cube or hitscan shotgunnerd
round plaza
happens
little raven
Why can’t we have the shotgun the demons have
honest lynx
We didnt complete our training on how to activate the sniper function on the shotgun
little raven
Maybe that was the alt fire
But they canceled alt fires in development
But kept it for the enemies
versed estuary
Thinking intensifies
That would make sense how enemy shotgunners can snipe you with slugs
little raven
Doom 3 with alt fires you be a cool mod
minor raft
Most of mu deaths are me not having the soup cube or hitscan shotgunnerd
“soup cube”
I love it
versed estuary
Like trites
robust rover
But never on Nightmare
versed estuary
If you beat it on nightmare you get to join the club
robust rover
Yeah but no 
versed estuary
To be fair the club is small. Also it’s a pain in the butt to get in the club
robust rover
Yeah and for nothing
prisma ravine
Doom 3 Nightmare isn't that bad, you get Soul Cube from the get go, if you play it like 2016 or eternal its a lot of fun!
The health drop is a cool way to keep you moving
versed estuary
Woulda been perfect without the hit-scanning shotgunners
little raven
The hitscan shotgunners make me sad
honest lynx
Doom 3 nightmare is the only way to play
versed estuary
Nah easy it the best way
honest lynx
Hahaha you can beat doom 3 in 3 and a half hours if you play on easy
scenic stratus
Imagine not being in the doom 3 nightmare club
little raven
Shut up
robust rover
robust rover
The doom 3 nightmare mode are for poop people
Chad +5 nightmare run on Doom 2016 is better
honest lynx
Nightmare mode on doom 3 is where real men are born. If you beat it you will redeem france for surrendering to Germany in world war 2.
robust rover
Nightmare mode on doom 3 is where real men are born. If you beat it you will redeem france for surrendering to Germany in world war 2
I mean, i will not play Doom 3 NM lmao
I prefer other Doom NM
sterile pasture
I want to play Doom 3, but then again I kind of don't? I started it at least.
scenic stratus
i mean, doom 3 is different, its not everyones thing, and thats alright. you'll still be judged heavily by the boys over here in this channel, but you dont have to like it lol
little raven
I’m tired of not being cool
Once I finish bioshock 2 I will do doom 3 nightmare
Unless the new series comes out before I start
But in the near future I will begin my quest to become cool
sterile pasture
@scenic stratus I don't dislike it. It's just for some reason I don't have the same drive to pick it up.
boreal sphinx
@little raven new series comes out June 2nd. I doubt you finish bioshock and doom 3 in that time
little raven
I’ll a least finish bioshock 2
versed estuary
Doom 3 is only 8 hours.
versed estuary
Nvm
Technically they play very different
BFG is brighter, Much more ammo
And shoulder flashlight,
So you could play BFG at a much faster pace
Np
scenic stratus
@scenic stratus Bob failed to mention that BFG also has a new campaign called The Lost Mission
versed estuary
OG doom 3 doesn’t have that expansion?
Whelp, there ya go BFG has another expansion.
honest lynx
Lost missions was a bfg promo
honest lynx
The best part of doom 3 is the trites
little raven
Starting my nightmare run now
Man the opening music is so good
The walking animation not so much
little raven
You know what
Doom 3 on nightmare is one of the most bullshit things I have played
First imp door killed me
scenic stratus
but doom 3 nightmare is the definitive difficulty
honest lynx
You can strafe the door so it doesn't jump on you .....
little raven
These shotgunners are worse then chaingunners in doom 2
versed estuary
Yep
scenic stratus
yes, theyre snipers
make the shotgun do less damage, makes it more balanced
the problem with the doom 3 shotgun is it does SO much damage, reduce the damage by 25% or so and its still strong but more fair
it can level archies in seconds
honest lynx
Doom 3 shotgun.... keeping that rng feeling alive
They're just called chainsaw zombies. And yeah you should just use the plasma on them when you run into them.
versed estuary
Chainsaw zombies have a super nice model design
honest lynx
They're probably so jacked because they're actually jack hammer workers that got the wrong tool
I believe there is 5
versed estuary
The surprise 3 in a closet
honest lynx
There are 6 at least
Bob is right about the 3 in the room I thought there were 2
So 6 in the game
versed estuary
I wasn’t expecting this commando so it scared me half to death rn
honest lynx
3 in the surprise room one on the lift area one in communications and one in delta
Which one? Delta or monorail ?
honest lynx
Dou it !
honest lynx
- the horror for you that is doom 2016. Literally no one else agrees with you on that hahaha. But damn I need to play doom 3 og again soon
I get it man. I absolutely hated the new god of war game which is apparently impossible. That being said I love the new doom as well. I just love all doom. I'm biased af
versed estuary
All dooms good no such thing as a bad doom
Ya didn’t let me finish
No such thing as a bad doom game.
But doom 2 is definitely my super least favorite
I love it’s SSG and it’s rev archi and mancubus.
But most of its maps are a mess
honest lynx
Playing some of doom 2 on nightmare now and I actually love some of the maps after beating them but at the Same time barrels of fun exists
scenic stratus
TNT makes doom 2 look like the holy grail
honest lynx
It's like some of the maps were made by a genius while others were made by someone with uncontrollable diarrhea who wasnt allowed to crap unless he finished
scenic stratus
i like them, the linearity of the new games is my biggest gripe
versed estuary
Doom 3 gud
honest lynx
Doom 3 the most gud
scenic stratus
Doom 3 is not the most gud, but it is really gud
honest lynx
Go2it is probably one of the best maps in final
scenic stratus
Hunted is
scenic stratus
any city map
versed estuary
honest lynx
Factory is crap... let's make elevators go up and down with switches to the exit with cacos in them
versed estuary
Don’t forget to sprinkle in a few doom 3 maps are meh every now and then
honest lynx
I wish there was a game where we can play as betruger but you fuck up the UAC slowly by setting up work place accidents
Chasing swan sounds like the name of a bad early 2000s rom com
I wish there was a secret UAC devsion after delta called epsilon before you go to hell where betruger did all his cultists/ scientific research with followers
I just really love the design of the mars uac base
scenic stratus
doom 3 bfg edition has a vr mod iirc, im too broke for vr tho
scenic stratus
idek
scenic stratus
doom 3 was mixed bag
a horror game that everybody played
for one year
then got onto half life 2
doom 3 is still great, it deserves to be remembered like games such as hl2
sadly its the doom game nobody has really heard of
then we got the real doom game
doom 4
or doom 2016
doom 3 is "real" doom, i have to disagree.
nope
doom 3 was like fnaf
uhh no, doom 3 is nothing like fnaf
ok
then
doom 3 fan boy
what doom 3 had
for 2004
dude, im just saying the 2 have completely different atmospheres and tones. doom 3 had tense action and a fucking amazing nightmare mode. next time when you dont have a counter-arguement, dont try the "shut up fanboy haha" approach.
im just saying you should play doom etrnal or 16
i have, i have played them a lot.
and i love them both to death
well whats so good about doom 3
its different, its not really like anything else in the franchise. the lone marine feel of it brings a totally different mood than RIP AND TEAR. I love both styles though.
you gotta try nightmare if you can, it hits different, thats all i can say.
nightmare
thats hard
ass all hell
and its the best way to play doom 3, if you like all that action haha. how much of 3 have you played? it gets quite good after an hour or so
i got close to middle
oh
well you can say that im a call of duty fan boy
i love action
explosions
i see, never really could get into cod, not much of a military shooter guy.
well im 15
i like fps
cs 1.6
hl dethmach
all that old shit
im kind if a boomer if thats still a term thrown around haha, the only shooters i really enjoy are the old build engine games, doom and some of quake. the new doom games are awesome tho
me too
my first fps was DOOM 2
1994
scenic stratus
i got called a doom 3 fanboy sr388, theyre catching onto me
ill try
no no
no problem
so you people just play doom ?
and thanks for the like
scenic stratus
no, i play a lot of games, just ask brad haha
brad ?
who is brad
?
he sometimes talks here
oh
yeah, i play a lot of games that are completely different than doom, i dont just sit around and play doom 24/7 lol
i know
man
nostalgia
i know you know, its alright.
cool
wait what 24/7 means
what he said
thanks AMNeSia
manic iron
I dunno about you but i replay linear shooters alot
Especially when they got good gameplay
scenic stratus
i replay knee deep in the dead all the time, i could do it in my sleep at this point.
half life 3 CONFORMED
in this decade
nope
meme
its not a meme, its been 16 years
and no, alyx doesnt count
damn, now i cant write a sarcastic response
i'd like to see doom 3 continued, but i know its never gonna happen, its not even canon at this point
well episode 3 is not canon
thanks to alyx
the ending to episode 2 has changed
jeah
you played alyx
you know that in the ending alyx saved her dad
just watch this
everything will make sense
watch the full video
then start
ok
did it start ?
the video
ok
prisma ravine
@scenic stratus I’d like to maybe see a side horror game using 2016s setting. Maybe one of samual haydens excutions and the beginning of the invasion?
little raven
One of doom 3’s biggest faults is how similar everything looks
It’s really bland after a while
honest lynx
Delta is amazing though. Some parts of alpha too
scenic stratus
i want one where you play as a group of marines, you can revive your team mates, all your fellow marines need to be alive to finish the map
scenic stratus
DOOM 3 is pretty meh
versed estuary
@scenic stratus mind your baiting is against the rules.
scenic stratus
Okay?
versed estuary
Just so you know
honest lynx
Yeah there no reason to come on here with that crap
scenic stratus
so sharing your opinion on a game isnt allowed? im a doom 3 fanboy to the core but that doesnt make all too much sense to me.
versed estuary
He has joined in 3 times to only say doom 3 is bad or meh or trash
scenic stratus
oh
versed estuary
Once is to show your distaste.
3 times is baiting for a reaction
scenic stratus
yeah, thats baiting, sorry for being a dick
scenic stratus
he is not ONE OF US
acoustic tundra
ahh i have now completed all doom campaigns including dlcs
scenic stratus
Doom 3 is a smelly piece of ||ok guys, mods arent here, 3am utc we raid the dumpsters behind kfc, ok?||
acoustic tundra
i jump u behind the dumpsters at kfc lol
dry karma
Oh hi fellow Doom 3 fans ???
Or is this just a random off topic channel because nobody cares about Doom 3
worldly escarp
FOR IT'S TIME, D3 was a good game
scenic stratus
Doom 3 was ahead of it's time LMAO
Even compared to HL2 and Unreal Tournament 2004
The only big issue that the game had was the forced 60 FPS lock
frosty holly
@scenic stratus ||fyi We have mods from different time zones :P||
little raven
I just got a bunch of new games so I have an excuse to not continue playing nightmare
Huzzah
scenic stratus
Eh the models weren't that ahead, but HL2's models were pretty good
versed estuary
@scenic stratus jokes on you I play doom 3 behind the kfc
honest lynx
I want a doom game where I just use a crane and dispose of toxic barrels on mars for 16 an hour
honest lynx
George Poota is mood
scenic stratus
fyi We have mods from different time zones :P||
you fool, you fell for it. we never were gonna raid kfc, we were going to raid popeyes.
uneven tartan
Just started Doom 3 on Switch, it's really good so far
versed estuary
( If you like the main campaign you will love ROE)
uneven tartan
But I've been told that either the BFG Edition or the original PC versions are better, that true?
versed estuary
It’s objective
The fact that you can play doom 3 on a switch makes it amazing
uneven tartan
Actually what are the differences in the original, BFG and re-release?
versed estuary
Technically you can treat both versions as seperate games
BFG is brighter, has more ammo. And a shoulder mounted flash light.
A few sections are also removed, but you also get The Lost Mission expansion pack
Meanwhile OG is darker, and less ammo.
And no shoulder flashlight, only a standard flashlight you can use guns with
robust rover
Original=Original lmao
BFG/Re-release=50% more ammo, more ammo in backpack i think, more luminosity
uneven tartan
So the re-release is a mix between BFG and OG?
versed estuary
lre release is the BFG
uneven tartan
I've seen the classic weapon pose in BFG, wonder why they cut it in the Switch ver
uneven tartan
Oh it's a mod, my bad
versed estuary
But yeah switch version is the BFG version. However it doesn’t include doom 1/2 so they just called it Doom 3:
Brighter, more ammo. Shoulder flashlight. But you get both expansions
Actually I would say the opposite. Play BFG for “true” doom
Play OG for the intended doom 3 experience.
But BFG has more ammo and is brighter, letting you shoot more and push forward more
uneven tartan
Regardless, I'd be ripping and tearing demons a new one
But is brightness that much of an issue in the original?
versed estuary
It’s hella dark
If you don’t like super dark games, I actually advise the BFG version just for that
uneven tartan
I've heard its pretty comparable to Half-Life or Deadspace but I haven't played either
There is a Marauder in Doom 3 from what I've heard
Or someone similar to the Marauder, I've yet to see it
versed estuary
I mean there is a guy with a shield but I wouldn’t call it a marauder
robust rover
Best hell knight are in Doom 3 tho
versed estuary
Agreed. Doom 3 hellknights had that juicy intimidation factor
uneven tartan
I wonder where Doom 3 falls in the Doom timeline lol
robust rover
Doom 1
little raven
It’s a spin off
uneven tartan
People have been saying it's a prequel to Doom 1
versed estuary
It’s a doom 1 reboot not remaster
However indeed it is not in the slayer timeline
uneven tartan
Doom 3 is a hard reboot compared to 2016 from what I've read and seen
versed estuary
3 is a reboot
And 2016 is a reboot
However 2016 is both a reboot and continuation of the story thx to eternal
uneven tartan
It is
versed estuary
2016 wasn’t confirmed a sequel until eternal proved it.
Before eternal proved it 2016 was a reboot only
uneven tartan
2016 was a soft reboot
Think the devs might've retconned a few stuff though
We did see the Soul Cube in 2016, kinda makes you think...
versed estuary
Just an Easter egg
You also see commander keens helmet in hell. And Skyrim helmet
uneven tartan
Touché
versed estuary
In olivias office with the mini game
uneven tartan
I originally thought the Marauder was the OG Doomguy while the Slayer has been the Marine this whole time
versed estuary
Unless a eternal dlc says otherwise
Doom 3 never happened
uneven tartan
The Marauder holds the Super Shotgun in his left hand, Doomguy is left handed also...
versed estuary
uneven tartan
Ambidextrous Slayer ig
versed estuary
It’s actually quite large on the desk too XD
uneven tartan
It would be cool if the Slayer finds the Soul Cube in Eternal though
Well I mean, use it
Precision Bolt: "am i a joke to you"
Doom 3 just makes me feel like John McClane so far
While the Slayer timeline makes me feel like the Terminator lol
uneven tartan
>pokes the Berserk powerup
It was a compliment but I like killing Marauders 
scenic stratus
Soul Cube as a waifu
uneven tartan
...why
I've had the most fun with the Gladiator, the Marauder gets old on my end when you know how to kill them
robust rover
The only thin that i hate in Doom 3, shotgun is bad
versed estuary
I like it tbh
robust rover
The dispersion is weird
versed estuary
If it was any more accurate there would be pretty much no reason to use any other gun
robust rover
Yeah
But, the Shotgun shoot weirdly, like the pellets go outside of the Shotgun even if its at close range
uneven tartan
The shotgun feels fine but I keep forgetting that I have a pistol
versed estuary
Is ok
uneven tartan
Only 45 minutes in and I legit have 290+ ammo for the pistol
versed estuary
You don’t use it’s once you get other guns tho tbh
But it’s not “bad” by any means
robust rover
I mean the Doom Eternal pistol look cool
Compared to other
And Doom 3 pistol can work longer than any other pistol
scenic stratus
Shotgun in Doom 3 is very well balanced
But when it takes 3 fucking shots to kill an Imp.
Then it does get on my nerves.
Pistol is only for Lost Souls or spiders
If you want to reserve the AR ammo
versed estuary
Even then smg better
robust rover
Doom 3 Guy run so fast tho
versed estuary
Nah p90 clone is quite good
robust rover
Yeah
scenic stratus
anyone know how to edit weapon values in doom 3 (2004)?
charred fox
Doom 3 ‘04
scenic stratus
maruaders piss me off,
honest lynx
You mean betruger
versed estuary
Lost souls are so grrrrrrrrrr
scenic stratus
i got eternal when ti dropped still my fav game, it's just awesome
wooden axle
I got eternal like 3 days ago and it’s my favorite game by far
scenic stratus
i like eternal, but its one of those games i play for a solid 3-4 weeks and never touch until a major update or dlc gets released
manic iron
I play the campaign alot cause its fun, but also I've been excited for that revenant skin
Now if only we could get some doom 3 skins
scenic stratus
i like eternal, but its one of those games i play for a solid 3-4 weeks and never touch until a major update or dlc gets released
@scenic stratus yeah I completed the game 3times on different difficultys and never touched the game for almost 2 months now
scenic stratus
i want Doom 3 skins for Eternal, although nobody really likes to mention 3's existance anymore
versed estuary
I want a revenant skin for sure in eternal
Rev is arguably my favorite looking demon in doom 3
Besides HK
scenic stratus
the hell knight design from 3 is so good, it was the base for 2016's and eternal's design
im glad about that one
honest lynx
Its honestly epic. I remember wanting doom 3 just because of the hellknight cover
brave wagon
Doom 3 was my first Doom and Hell Knights scared the shit out of me
They might still be my favourite demon
scenic stratus
imagine how badass the couldve made barons in doom 3?
little raven
Considering how tough hell knights are I’m glad there aren’t barrons
scenic stratus
Not BFG
The original is better, I'd recommend a program called Dhewm 3 to run the original game with, adds native widescreen support and preserves the original aspect ratio of the menus.
versed estuary
BFG edition doesn’t suck
honest lynx
Nah doesn't suck at all
Just different
This is coming from someone who bought and played the original in 2004
scenic stratus
BFG Edition is still objectively worse than the original
honest lynx
Its definitely not as good as the orginal but it does not suck unless you're some sort of sensitive poop who thinks lighting and ammo breaks a game
scenic stratus
doesnt break it, but it does make it worse
honest lynx
In my honest opinion bfg shouldn't exist. But for some who have just a con experience.. some doom 3 is better than no doom 3
scenic stratus
for real, BFG is still a good game, i just dont like it as much
scenic stratus
I beat doom 3 roe
Let's go under 3 hours
Aren't you the guy who said Doom 3 sucked? Well, you've redeemed yourself.
scenic stratus
I still dislike it, but I like ROE better
versed estuary
Indeed. ROE feels more like doom for people looking for that faster paced more action feel
versed estuary
Ok. Did u also get ROE expansion
Nice. The expansion is arguably better than the base campaign
Much faster paced, much more action, and ssg
Granted it’s also much shorter
Well you did get the OG version. So yep super dark
Hmm my first run was 8 hours for the main campaign?
But it usually takes 9ish
ROE takes about 4
honest lynx
Also play on veteran. Play on anything lower and you will have a bad time
versed estuary
Agreed, I say start on veteran for your first playthrough. Doom 3 is quite an easy game
Idk the names but it like
Easy medium Veteran nightmare
Make sure it’s dark and you use headphones / earbuds
Doom 3 is an experience as much as it is a game
It’s atmospheric
The lighting, sounds. Noises. Will all give you a creepy horror vibe. And it is not afraid to try to scare you
But that’s part of the experience
You are just a normal marine. So you feel what he feels
Damn is it really?
That is incredibly small
ember sentinel
Im so tired of seeing DoOm 3 iS a GoOd gAmE bUt nOt a GoOd DoOm gAme every time its mentioned
Its one of those popular narratives that has been repeated so many times people think its true
scenic stratus
if you think its not a doom game, you either didnt play it, want attention, or you are someone I hope to never meet irl
ember sentinel
Yeah i know, its crazy to because people thought Doom 3 was awesome up until pretty recently when 2016 came out. Its like a bunch of the new fans dont really realize how great it was at the time
versed estuary
If it’s slow ya ain’t playing it right that’s for sure
Don’t knock a game till you’ve tried it. That’s what I always say
little raven
ItS tOo DaRk MaN
versed estuary
You can say it doesn’t look good. But you can’t make any real judgement till you’ve played
All I ever heard of doom 3 was
It’s bad
Don’t touch it
Black sheep
Bad
Not a doom game
Then I got it.
It’s good
Touch it a lot
Good sheep
Good
Very much a doom game
little raven
Hearing it’s a good game but not a good doom game all the time is infuriating
versed estuary
Very much so
little raven
Because that means they didn’t finish it
ember sentinel
I love yall lol.
People that say that shit dont realize how much 3 has in common with the OG games.
Its a corridor shooter with monster closets and the OG games definitely had horror sections.
The problem for these people is Doom 3 takes its time building up the atmosphere and story for the first couple hours, but the back half of the game is near constant demon slaughtering action.
Its like new fans play 2016 and assume the OG games were non-stop action all the time.
little raven
I started with 2016 and love 3
versed estuary
Same
Actually I started with 1/2 didn’t get serious into doom until 2016
Got 3
Then went back to 1/2
little raven
The classic games are more similar to 3 then the new ones
The originals weren’t even closed to arena shooters
The closest you got to that was plutonia and tnt
scenic stratus
no clue why people say the new ones are similar to the old ones, the new ones are pretty much their own thing and im ok with that.
little raven
The older doom games are much more annoying
scenic stratus
the only classic game i enjoy replaying is doom 1
little raven
Same here
versed estuary
Doom 2 imo is bad. Very bad. Awful giant mazes
No rest for the living however OH BOI that’s some good stuff
little raven
Doom 2 is hot garbage
And although I like plutonia it’s a replay a couple of levels you like game
Doom 1 is a blast to come back to
And I got a feeling doom 64 will be the same
scenic stratus
Doom 64 is the pinnacle of bad mazes
I still haven't finished the game because of how repetitive it gets.
manic iron
Probably cause sometime they got bad levels and dickish enemy placement, and annoying puzzles
I agree with this for doom 2
But i think doom 1 and 64 are probably the best of classic doom
2 just suffers from shit levels
But its a step up in gameplay
scenic stratus
Hey y'all I think it would be fun to ask this here:
What's your favorite boss from DOOM 3
robust rover
No one
Apart from ROE final boss
little raven
The cyberdemon
It’s just so hilarious how terrible he is
scenic stratus
I personally liked the mancubus fight the most, it was genuinely interesting,challenging,and is a great INTRODUCTION to the new lovecraftian inspired design of this game's mancubus
why do all models disappear every few minutes on the non bfg edition 
like bruh an invisible imp at the first mission is a big no
Hmmmm it's probably having trouble loading textures or models or just the sourcefiles are doin something wrong
do i have to reinstall it
Eh maybe try like restarting your computer first to see if its just bugging out
Then if it still don't work you should probably do that
aight thanks
Not me
But, do know that it gets easier throughout the game
Are there any consequences for killing every single npc 
versed estuary
Nope
Actually I believe there is an achievement for getting every pda? Some drop from npcs
oak prism
Much like Half-Life, killing NPCs does no harm to you
But you get some PDAs and if you care for achievements, well feel no guilt 
honest lynx
Yeah to get a trophy for a pda they force you to murder some npcs that have them on their person but dont leave them otherwise
scenic stratus
i killed all npcs, if you know the ending you know its mercy
honest lynx
Yeah it's a damn mercy....
little raven
Painless shot in the head
Or
Getting torn apart by demons
honest lynx
Strung on a roof alive with your tummy cut open
versed estuary
Definitely mercy ( even though I did it before knowing the ending)
scenic stratus
its either a torturous end or a painless one
little raven
Being turned into a demon and getting killed anyway
honest lynx
It annoyed me that they dont let you save the guy who holds your lamp while you walk to the latter. No matter what he dies. It sucks
scenic stratus
i shot him first, i like being able to explore without being told to hurry up.
little raven
Did the guy hiding in the locker at the beginning of roe survive
honest lynx
Probably not haha
honest lynx
Anyone else kinda hate enemy disintegration
scenic stratus
Yeah
scenic stratus
Imma be honest
I just shotgunned every single NPC once I got my hand on the shotty
Damn this game is giving me anxiety I keep shooting dead bodies to make sure they don't get up
honest lynx
Double tap with the machine gun
scenic stratus
i just pistol em in the head
little raven
Punch them and they explode
marble dune
bodies disappearing to save VRAM is the greatest tragedy since man got expelled from the garden of eden
honest lynx
Dont get me wrong I kinda love the demons vaporizing effect. Just not the human enemies expanding and disappearing. Just completely ruins it. I try very hard to avoid it
scenic stratus
are we just not going to address dead bodies turning into skeletons at a mere punch
little raven
Are we not going to address that the punches sound like slapping a salami
scenic stratus
Do you think doom 3 is canon to the main series or just a seperate canon
scenic stratus
it isnt canon, its its own thing
honest lynx
Hahahah
versed estuary
Actually Gougaru told you too
honest lynx
Your soul will burn in hell forever
scenic stratus
Doom 3 is hard
But it got easy over time
I legit beat it in 8 hours and ROE in 2 hours and 31 minutes
honest lynx
Play on nightmare
fresh ibex
scenic stratus
I played on nightmare and died more than 3 times per map
little raven
I played on nightmare was consumed by hopelessness and gave up
scenic stratus
the only map that isnt harder on nightmare is the last one
marsh frost
Hang on I just realised that In doom 3 u can hit with flashlight but I can’t figure it out btw I play on PS4
scenic stratus
the PS4 version replaces the original flashlight mechanic with a shoulder light, you sadly cannot use it to BONK things :(
scenic stratus
Does anyone here have BFG Edition on PC?
Me and my friend need to get an achievement that needs a 3rd player.
Ping me if you want to join.
honest lynx
Co op trophies are the worst
shadow island
Am i the only one who loves this games flavortext and voice acted "audio files"
coral solstice
no
scenic stratus
Soo anyone?
versed estuary
Ello anyone Here that happens to own Doom 3 BFG edition on Pc. Aryzon is looking for helpers for a multiplayer achievement
shadow island
What a lad
scenic stratus
Yes steam
honest lynx
How find me a co op buddy for ps4 that isnt dog shit
little raven
Is it only bfg that has coop
versed estuary
It’s multiplayer deathmatch not co op
Only real BFG edition has it, not re releases
fluid seal
You remember that one npc that triggers an Archvile spawning behind you when you kill him?
I think it was in Site 3 or Central Processing
scenic stratus
Only Xbox 360 has coop
scenic stratus
I played this game on PC
I liked the Xbox Version more since I beat it on that
But the PC Has some amazing mods
scenic stratus
pc version is also longer, they had to cut content due to hardware limitations. although, i'd argue the shortened campaign flows better
scenic stratus
The Xbox one port.
scenic stratus
ohhh, no xbox one port is the full game, thought you meant the 2005 xbox port
scenic stratus
Remember when Mick Gordon joined that anime girls stream
His comments made me laugh hard
scenic stratus
oh yeah that
sly harbor
I wanna play doom 3
coral solstice
It’s like $5 on Steam, probably less right now due to Summer Sales
robust rover
Yeah
nocturne bane
I bought DOOM 3: BFG Edition and it crashes after first time setup. Any ideas on fixes?
marble dune
Try finding the launch option to set it to bordless window.
shut root
should i get Doom 3 or Doom 3 BFG?
honest lynx
If it's your first time playing and can only afford 1 you should get the orginal doom 3. Its better
versed estuary
And cheaper
cunning shadow
BFG because you can mod it for the original doom 3 experience while also having updated graphics
scenic stratus
Soo... anyone here has BFG on Steam and wants to help us get the achievement?
nocturne bane
I’d like to if I could get it working later, Aryzon
scenic stratus
@nocturne bane What exactly is the crash? Do you get any error messages?
Is it the Open GL crash?
nocturne bane
I don’t exactly get a message
I fixed it partially by making it start in windowed mode, but when I go into settings I can’t make it fullscreen or change the resolution.
@scenic stratus
scenic stratus
Drivers updated?
scenic stratus
Ugh... The most common crash is the Open GL bug on AMD cards...
At this point i am stuck.
nocturne bane
I can try to see if I can force borderless window and 1080p
Maybe there’s some sort of launch options
scenic stratus
What is the refreshrate of your screen?
nocturne bane
75hz
scenic stratus
Ok so 120hz bug is also not an option...
nocturne bane
Does 3 and 3 BFG run differently?
nocturne bane
Damn. I have BFG.
I just got done playing 2016 and currently on nightmare run
Saw BFG on sale and bought it
scenic stratus
It will be very hard to figure out what is causing the crash if you are not getting any messages..
nocturne bane
Is there a log I can copy and paste?
scenic stratus
I gotta see how the config there works. I am only familiar with the vanilla Doom 3
nocturne bane
Ah okay
scenic stratus
So umm...
The config i found does not contain graphics settings.
I fear that it might be locked out entirely.
nocturne bane
This is epic
scenic stratus
Nvm, it is in the Saved Games folder
nocturne bane
Oh ok good
scenic stratus
Thank all Gods that i know about all the hidden folders where that stuff might be located.
nocturne bane
All experience from installing minecraft mods
scenic stratus
For me it is mods and patching old games
Ok so it seem to work the same way as vanilla Doom 3
Except this time it natively supports every possible resolution.
But you can still set custom ones.
nocturne bane
1920x1080 is fine
scenic stratus
@nocturne bane When will you get back to your laptop?
nocturne bane
I’m not sure. I’m waiting for lunch to be done, eat with family, 4th of July stuff. Probably tonight.
scenic stratus
Ehh i might go to bed by that time.
nocturne bane
lol you’re an early sleeper?
scenic stratus
No. Which is why i said i might.
nocturne bane
Ok ok
scenic stratus
Anyway
Here is what you need to do.
set r_customHeight "1080"
set r_customWidth "1920"
set r_vidMode "-1"
set r_fullscreen "1"
Find these lines and change them to the values i have given here.
Then pray that it works.
stiff pivot
im trying to open doom 3 bfg division, but when im in fullscreen the game takes up like 1/3 of my screen
cant find a fix to it
honest lynx
Bfg is cool but original is how you should experience doom 3 the first time
scenic stratus
Gougaru has discovered the way of balance
scenic stratus
@stiff pivot Set the custom resolution through config file like i described above.
stiff pivot
I tried that, but it didnt work, i was using a shitty laptop tho, i have an actual gaming pc that i can just play it on in a couple of days
It'll probably work then
scenic stratus
🤷♂️
scenic stratus
ey how do i get the martian buddy code if the website just redirects me to the slayers club
scenic stratus
Is their a way you can use the engine for this game for an actual game
cunning shadow
Is their a way you can use the engine for this game for an actual game
yes, its called... uh.... Quake 4 I guess?
soft folio
scenic stratus
true, it isnt the best doom game but it isnt a terrible game either.
versed estuary
^
It’s very different from the other dooms
But it’s still definitely a doom game
Imo the imp design is spot on
It looks very unnerving for a soldier to walk in on
Huge, crawling on walls. Weird face. Long fingers
Throwing fireballs
cunning shadow
I cant finish doom 3 because the combat is so ass
somehow they managed to fuck up every single gun in the game
honestly it just makes me want to play half life
versed estuary
The only bad Gun is the shotgun tho
cunning shadow
no all of them annoy me. Chaingun fires too slow, pistol is useless, machine gun sounds like a stapler and does too little damage, bfg fires in a cone shape now, soulcube is good but it doesnt show up until the last section of the game
versed estuary
If you play nightmare you always have the soul cube
Pistols always usless
Chaingun is indeed slow but it does tons of damage
Ok I agree with the machine gun
Never really used the BFG anyways
cunning shadow
Very wrong. The BFG in classic doom is actually a pretty complicated weapon, but its basically a massive hitscan. Check out this video to actually see how it works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsCqLQJ1EOc
Doom 3 is the most basic where it fires in kind of a cone shape where 2016/eternal is a projectile that damages whatever is in the area for as long as it travels
(from what I read on the Wiki)
the wiki has been wrong at least a dozen times in my experience, so I don't know about that
So let me re-iterate: The original also fires in a cone but ALSO acts as a hitscan to the surrounding area while in doom 3 its a little more precise and not as damaging
coral solstice
@cunning shadow which wiki?
cunning shadow
The fandom one most of the time, all fandom wiki's are kind of garbage
The other one is actually really good when it comes to classic doom most of the time, especially with things like map walkthroughs
shadow island
Decino 🙏 that man is literally why I'm here
stable fox
anyone remember the BRUISER from the Resurrection of Evil expansion pack? https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/857226383807233470/A8ED5E10BAF187AD25FDDA764EDE4EE70B79984B/
that thing's design was brutal AF but I feel like there was a huge missed opportunity with that demon
versed estuary
Ahh the skinny mancubus
stable fox
for one, it was a total cakewalk, just a couple SSG blasts would bring it down, or you could one-punch it if you had the artifact active
and secondly
there was this scrapped intro setpiece that sounded absolutely bonkers
versed estuary
Since they are much weaker mancubus, I wish they weren’t so rare
stable fox
the Marine would walk into a dark room and find a terminal, press it, and it turns out to be the Bruiser's face mounted TV screen, it would activate, and surely cause whoever encountering this monster to shit themselves on their first playthrough
I wish they'd bring it back with a refreshed design for the Doom: Eternal DLC campaign, maybe give it a new name like the Crucifier or somethin like that
scenic stratus
Bruiser easily the strongest demon in all of Doom.
Bloody Mancubus with full auto canons.
honest lynx
You all need to play on nightmare. That's embarrassing
honest lynx
Dont go on here saying it's easy when you just played veteran
It's a cake walk because you're a noob
versed estuary
( to be fair though all nightmare does is make it so you are constantly a one shot getting sniped by shotgunners over and over)
little raven
Get power fucked by shotgunners isn’t fun
versed estuary
If doom 3 had less or no hitscanners, then nightmare would be perfect
little raven
If I wanted that I’d go play classic doom
versed estuary
Then it truly is a matter of having skill to beat the game
There really isn’t much skill involved in dodging a hitscanners
Obviously there is still quite a bit of skill involved but is more so “ fingers crossed I don’t get sniped instantly as soon as this door opens”
honest lynx
Not about anything you guys are saying. If you pound threw a game and then say doom three is crap because it's easy and slow paced I'm just saying play on nightmare. Those certain complaints will never appear on this discord again
cunning shadow
well yeah any game becomes stressful when all health packs are deleted and your health ticks down to 25 lol
Its kind of like saying "If you say Super Mario is easy, try playing it with every enemy replaced with a hammer bro. Those certain complaints would never appear again"
scenic stratus
Uhh, no, Nightmare difficulty plays differently, it forces you to think fast and be smart. also you get soul cube from the start
versed estuary
Actually the point he is making is that on nightmare you shouldn’t be letting your health drop to 25. You should be pushing hard, constantly killing and using the cube
It punishes you for being slow
scenic stratus
^^^
versed estuary
By setting you up às a one shot
In order words, nightmare punishes you for not playing doom 3 like a doom game
cunning shadow
sounds like that completely contradicts the atmosphere the game is trying to create
versed estuary
Funny enough it does