The doom 3 enemies are sometimes confusing (theres like 3 of them that feel like imp variants but with not really enough differences to feel worthwhile mechanically) I think the designs are great, even when they clash with the original enemies they're supposed to be (mostly the cacodemon and imp personally, the pinky and the hell knight are radically different but I actually LOVE both of them, and would be very happy to see the doom 3 pinky return in some way).
The archvile doesn't even look off! He just looks like the original, if he didn't have the skin and organs between the bottom of his ribcage and his hips removed.
#doom-3
wild shuttle
Which like in the grand scheme of things is really minor for the change in direction the doom 3 enemies had
Like classic zombieguy to eternal zombieguy level of minimal design change
(I do like the doom 3 archvile and eternal zombieman they just did more of a tweak and refinement, and that's ok)
wild shuttle
That is true, they're just a bit hard to see 'cause of the particle effects
harsh shadow
Unless I'm forgetting important plot details, I have this theory I think nobody will agree with: that the marine Betruger ambushes to transform into a commando is Sgt. Kelly. I think you can tell the marine model is a generic model, but why did they hide the marine's face? Mind you, the model being a generic marine model doesn't rule him out as being Sgt. Kelly narratively. And you also have to remember that the generic marine model's armor and armor color are exactly the same as Kelly's. Theresa Chazar's face was front and center for her transformation, so why hide this victim's face? It seems Id may have wanted to plant the seed of ambiguity to give the player the realization LATER that it was Sgt. Kelly after they see his transmission and notice he isn't at the rendezvous point. Directors of Photography and cinematographers don't do random stuff like deliberately hide a face without intent to create ambiguity. I think Id deliberately orchestrated the ambiguity to create the plausible scenario that Betruger ambushed Kelly and transformed him into a commando as an intermediate stage before he became Sabaoth. Yeah, the commando face looks a little different, but why create a separate 3D model, especially in 2004? I remember the optimization tricks they used in 2004. Using cheaper models like that was common. The team was also small and the implications of the cut scene, along with the tortured marine being alone, seemingly on a mission, in Delta Labs, seem to agree with the likelihood of it being him.
I think I always felt this canon in my head made the most sense. And it gives narrative closure and cohesion between the transmission being sent to the fleet and us seeing Kelly's final message in the Delta Labs.
I think Kelly saying that YOU are the last hope of getting reinforcements also supports the idea it was Sgt. Kelly. Kelly has access to all base schematics and marine teams, so he would know if you literally were the last guy. So, I'm gonna say it's him.
supple gull
Yes they are, though they need some changes to set them apart from Mancubi because they feel like an upgrade for them.
woven flower
**Unless I'm forgetting important plot details**, I have this theory I think nob...
kelly becomes the boss, saboath.
most of the enemies in doom 3 have a cut scene to introduce them.
mild hedge
rustic yarrow
Doom 3 is so peak
calm blade
I'm close to finishing all 3 campaigns of Doom 3 on Nightmare difficulty
(useless information)
minor edge
I'm close to finishing all 3 campaigns of Doom 3 on Nightmare difficulty
ayy nice
calm blade
Bro litterally i HATE the revenants
minor edge
i never really got the hang of revenants in 3 tbh
calm blade
I'm traumatized
Why is there a part where 4 revenants appear in a row
Idk how i passed it but still traumatized
subtle sparrow
4 archvilles would have been better 😄
summer crater
hearty echo
https://tenor.com/view/speed-agree-yeah-yeah-speed-valid-valid-gif-9589666293686...
That message was sent because I had no WiFi when I sent it
I already 100% the game now
It only came back online when I connected my phone back to the WiFi
summer crater
oh
umbral sonnet
I'm playing D3 using the source port and the HD mod. Is the game really this pitch black under shadows? black darkness? Raising gamma only makes the lights overexposed.
blissful palm
hello guys i m a big fan for doom(specifically Doom: The Dark Ages and 1)
me too bro
ebon sable
Got bfg edition for the ps3 on the way, sealed
half marlin
If Doom 3 had a Baron of Hell, what would it look like?
minor edge
If Doom 3 had a Baron of Hell, what would it look like?
We actually know this
The iconic scrapped ‘Birdman’ enemy was meant to be a Baron of Hell
half marlin
Like the one in Doom 3 Phobos? That Baron?
wild shuttle
Like the one in Doom 3 Phobos? That Baron?
I looked it up and it does appear to be so, yeah
Had to look up the birdman but the appearance does match the photo
The birdman's head in the photo on the doom wiki kinda looks like a mask from goosebumps edited on.
Though I do like goosebumps, I don't meant it as an insult.
If they actually scrapped it because they thought it looked like a mask from goosebumps too, that'd be kinda crazy, and the show had aired by that point.
I doubt it though.
minor edge
Like the one in Doom 3 Phobos? That Baron?
misty abyss
probably was scrapped because it looked goofy
wild shuttle
Yeah
I'm not always the best with words but that does kinda tie in with the "the head looks like it's from goosebumps" thing
winter solar
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642730879852085281/1508978987802693672/25...
it looks like a dinosaur imp to me lol
untold badger
I finally got to 25000 on that one turkey game in the kitchen
umbral sonnet
I dropped doom 3 and I'm watching it. For some reason Delta Labs is an entirely different league, superior in every way to the previous levels. What happened? It feels as if the director was someone else.
I dropped in Alpha Labs
subtle sparrow
probably was scrapped because it looked goofy
LOL
it looked better than anything in the OG game, that's a reason why in this image it looks cinematic
the reason I suspect they dropped it was because it required too many polygons, which would have looked bad on lower polygon count, plus shadows dropped in this render sequence would look bad with stencil shadows from 2004 (in earlier variants they used different experimental lights and direct Maya high poly models, not possible for PC release back then)
wild shuttle
LOL
it looked better than anything in the OG game, that's a reason why in this i...
Counterpoint to the first part, doom 3's hell knight is so good it replaced the original in every game after
Also doom 3's hell knight DOESN'T look like a mask from goosebumps
the performance reasons part could very well be true though
minor edge
i love doom 3 hell knight
wild shuttle
The doom 3 hell knight design is like the one thing y ou can't critique about doom 3. You can try but you're just going to be wrong.
The imp is ugly? Sure.
The shotgun sucks? It's probably by design but I'll agree it didn't pan out well because none of the other guns suck or have some drawback.
You think the hell knight has a bad design? Clown convention is down the block, to the right at the first stop sign.
misty abyss
design so good it made to Doom 4 and eventually Doom 2016 and rest of the reboot games
minor edge
tho eternal ruined it :/
misty abyss
did it really? I don't feel much difference looking at it whether it has eyes or not
minor edge
i do :p
upbeat gorge
wild shuttle
It might not have been inteded as such but when I look at the doom 3 hell knight I see eyes. Like maybe even 4 of them. It's probably supposed to be torn up flesh, but really I can't help but see it as eyes.
so really it's the doom 2016 one that's different to me because that one absolutely has no eyes
Instead the thing I feel is missing in the eternal one is the smooth exposed skull
Eternal has an exposed skull but it seems less smooth
the things on the side of the jaw are fine I meant more like the top of the head
minor edge
It has very tiny eyes iirc but they shouldn’t be glowing and emphasised
wild shuttle
It has very tiny eyes iirc but they shouldn’t be glowing and emphasised
Ok the degree that they glow I can understand, I think if it was normally sort of a dim grey glow (makes it harder to notice) and and only flashed yellow for certain attacks it could be cooler.
It would also help emphasize the difference with the dread knights if their eyes weren't changed 'cause they're in a constant state of aggression, and if the hell knights only had their eyes glow when they do certain attacks, but the dread knights ALWAYS had the glow active, it'd hammer it home a bit more.
minor edge
so true
upbeat gorge
how do I fix the mouse in DOOM 3's alpha from 2002
unborn linden
😂
subtle sparrow
how do I fix the mouse in DOOM 3's alpha from 2002
what do you mean?
upbeat gorge
For some reason in the main menu for Doom 3's alpha whenever I move the mouse it goes off screen and I can't get it back to select an option
subtle sparrow
For some reason in the main menu for Doom 3's alpha whenever I move the mouse it...
menu is most probably broken
just launch maps from the console
map e3/e3_1 or map e3/intro (last one can't remember if it works, but e3_1 should work)
and if you want to tweak settings best way in Alpha is with console commands
stuck lion
Finally a specialized place where I can complain about doom 3
brisk gulch
Bfg edition or classic?
stuck lion
Bfg is the one I've been playing
The game is so boring after the first 1 hour
It's got good weapons and enemies and all that but still
covert phoenix
Yea boii
brisk gulch
Well yeah cause theyre the weapons from doom
empty rock
Remember how bulky the BFG in this game was?
restive delta
How far are you now Soky?
brisk gulch
I prefer the ssg in this game
stuck lion
I'm right at the part where you find that teleporter where you can choose location
empty rock
To sad it wasn't in the main game.
restive delta
Oooh Delta Labs 3, good level that one
brisk gulch
Maybe better than the original ssg 😳
stuck lion
Honestly so far every place has looked the same to me except that prison area
dusk rampart
Any weapons in Doom 3 that is similar to their real life counterparts?
stuck lion
People that were saying doom 2016 had no difference in environments really haven't played doom 3
safe karma
I played 2004 version its damn scary than BFG 😉
stuck lion
Yeah gotta say doom bfg isn't scary at all
restive delta
@stuck lion Yeah, because all areas are just dark 
safe karma
Oh yeah, BFG gun in Doom 3 is crap because it kills yourself if you don't do careful
dusk rampart
You
stuck lion
All the areas are just gray walls with futuristic wires
dusk rampart
Are not a doom slayer, after all
stuck lion
There are very few places where it was like, actually dark
restive delta
That's because BFGump edition
dusk rampart
Again are there any weapons similar to their original counterparts?
brisk gulch
Its much darker in the originals, though i must say doom 3’s hell is really good
safe karma
Some demons I have forgetton for years because I played only like 2 times
Some i never seen it before but I should have memories of them! Sadly I forgot 😦
Cherubs I thought they were from Evil Within rolleyes
restive delta
@dusk rampart To the original games? Well yes, but for the most part they don't really look similar, and don't necessarily operate the same either
stuck lion
Actually, cherubs are the only thing that scared me at first because I didn't expect them to jump at me
dusk rampart
How about to their real life counterparts?
restive delta
Cherubs are actually as annoying as lost souls
stuck lion
Oh god my aim is too shid for lost souls
restive delta
Well kind of. The machine-gun is kinda like the P90 in that it's a top loaded flat magazine
And the chaingun looks like... well, a chaingun
brisk gulch
My aim is godlike in this game for everything except one demon
safe karma
I see, I don't remember 😦
dusk rampart
How about the pistol and the shotgun?
safe karma
I have BFG version I haven't had time to play
stuck lion
my aim is crap and thats how I found out the shotgun has no spread at all, I'll hit a mm from the demon and no damage is dealt
restive delta
I can't think of real world weapons that the pistol and shotgun really look like
safe karma
because um... I hate cheap look textures not same in 2004 I tried change setting and size, still same ugly :/
stuck lion
I'm fine with the graphics personally, it gives me a good 140 solid fps
Doom 3 bfg is the smoothest game I've ever played
restive delta
Play the original for that sweet 60 cap
safe karma
well. 2004 is really old, my PC can handle it well and loads faster
stuck lion
I love how people have a split down the middle of their face
stuck lion
Actually I never did anything to those settings, kinda just let them be as they came. Good thing you reminded me
safe karma
👍
scenic stratus
I really really need a good gameplay mod for BFG Edition. I played through the original with Perfected Doom 3, but it wasn't really the best.
@scenic stratus BFG does not support mods afaik
pliant mauve
that is one downside of the D3BFG
scenic stratus
BFG is overall worse than default Doom 3.
Only real upsides compared to the vanilla is 120 FPS and support for Ultrawide.
rotund basalt
why do i need a flashlight and reload mechanics
scenic stratus
Cause it is a horror game.
rotund basalt
i'm going to water my opinion down to 'i didn't fancy doom 3' and leave it at that. it does have it's audience, i'm just not one of em uwu
scenic stratus
@scenic stratus
There are mods
Just the original mods are not compatible
@safe karma BFG was a port to Xbox 360. And well, the console came out 1 year after Doom 3 and was obviously not as powerful as a full speced PC from a year prior. So the visuals also got a downgrade.
Because it's a slightly different engine
Odd that there are no settings there at all even for PC users.
rotund basalt
was the bfg in the original version? i was always confused about that tho
safe karma
ahh right @scenic stratus
scenic stratus
(it is also available on PC)
safe karma
Yeah
restive delta
Pretty sure you can run the original ultra-wide simply with custom resolution, but the HUD will be stretched to kingdom come
Mind you, that's how I roll 16:9, so
scenic stratus
I tried, but the FOV (and hud) get cropped.
restive delta
Hmm interesting
scenic stratus
So less than ideal. It does natively support 16:9 and 16:10, but not 21:9
restive delta
I was going to say that Quake 4 has a tweaker for that, but actually it only supports 4:3, 16:9 and 16:10 too
scenic stratus
Funny how this chat just started and there's already lots of talk. Very good.
Doom 3 is a good game.
I hope we will get a mobile port for it...
stuck lion
Doom 3 dissapointed me a bit, I expected it to be better ;-;
scenic stratus
Better how?
I mean yes it was a horror game, but i think they did everything they could with that concept.
stuck lion
I mean I expected it to be more fun, as in I enjoyed the gameplay the few minutes I had played of it before so I thought there would be more new things in it further in
But all the places look the same, nothing feels different
scenic stratus
Did you finish the game?
scenic stratus
Oh you did not reach hell yet?
Game picks up a lot after Hell.
Also i hope you play the game right. What difficulty are you on?
stuck lion
I'm on veteran I believe
Figured that would be the UV equivalent
Still I feel the game picking up when it has 2-3 hours left isn't really, good. I've waited 8 hours already
scenic stratus
I have seen some people play like absolute morons.
Like Midnight running into 3 imps and just dying.
stuck lion
I haven't died once yet so I think I'm doing pretty good
Those tentacle guys are annoying I dont have any strategy for them besides kill them before they reach me
scenic stratus
You have to crouch
scenic stratus
They have the tentacle attack and a kick. If you crouch to dodge the tentacle, they will then attempt to kick. So if you don't kill them, you have to stand up and run back.
Machinegun guys are the worst. Stupidly overpowered.
stuck lion
I see I see. Don't think I even have the crouch bound to anything
Machinegun guys suck yeah lol
scenic stratus
How did you go through the vents then
stuck lion
Oh shid maybe I do
scenic stratus
stuck lion
I'm gonna be honest
Not one area of this game so far has been memorable enough for me to remember it
It's all just, futuristic looking gray walls with maybe sometimes blood
scenic stratus
Hell will be memorable, trust me.
scenic stratus
You playing vanilla or BFG?
stuck lion
bfg
scenic stratus
Afair you enter Hell after Deltalabs 2
scenic stratus
I need to see if i can get Doom 3 working on my PC
brisk gulch
No soky, you’ll know when you hit hell
stuck lion
I swear if I just went through hell without noticing it
little raven
I’m in vanilla and found a log that says there is a bfg anyone know where it is
restive delta
yeah you'll totally know if you went to Hell
And yeah the tentacle guys are bastards, they're close you pretty much have to crouch to dodge it, as has been said
If you're far enough away you can sprint backwards and unload MG/plasma/chaingun
stuck lion
Yeah, I thought you had to run to their left side or smth but I can never do that with those tight corridor areas
restive delta
I think you might be able to kill them in a single shotgun blast, but you gotta be like point blank in their head
stuck lion
Excuses moi sprint backwards?
restive delta
Yeah, I think if you hold the sprint key, it accelerates you a bit going backwards too. But I can't really remember
stuck lion
Hmmmm
restive delta
You can kinda strafe jump using sprint too, but no idea if that works going backwards
stuck lion
Jumping while walking is odd, it kinda throws me everywhere
restive delta
Yeah if you jump just when walking you slow down a bit from what I remember
brisk gulch
If theres one complaint for bfg edition its too much ammo
brisk gulch
But you gotta hold the key
restive delta
Use a macro 
safe karma
I never used macro because I dont know what is this!
has marco keys on keyboard but never used nor setting
restive delta
Basically you can set up a system where one key press will make the input of multiple keys
So you could make one key activate Ctrl+Alt+Del or something
safe karma
Oooh I see
restive delta
But I think some keyboard software allows you to make a key press set a key to stay on as well
It used to be a thing with some gaming keyboards, not sure how common it is these days
safe karma
this keyboard has own software but it's MS keyboard called SideWinder X4
I will try it out one day
restive delta
Yeah I have a MS joystick that has software like that too, it was useful for some flight games
But that software stopped working after XP unfortunately
charred fox
Doom 3 good game
charred fox
I agree
3 is actually pretty fast though if you’re slick enough, there’s also strafe jumping which is really fun
restive delta
Indeed, if you can get some strafe jumping going with the sprint, you can go fairly fast
safe karma
I didnt know
restive delta
Yeah speedrunners just strafe through many of the areas, it's pretty insane
Mind you must speedruns I've seen of late use the BFG Edition, so maybe it has some advantage in that regard
safe karma
I see
scenic stratus
I believe someone did calculations and found that Doom 3 marine runs faster than Doom 2016 slayer 
We need a cheat to make the player always run
That's all I want
Maybe also no-reload
boreal adder
Reload forces you to switch weapons mid-fight. Maybe not as organically as 2016 does but I'm still glad it's there.
And SSG still works the same as ever :)
thick dome
frax in hell you get infinite sprint which is awesome
junior ether
I recently played the Doom series for the first time ever.
I'm up to Resurrection of Evil now. Loving the whole series so far.
scenic stratus
frax in hell you get infinite sprint which is awesome
Ik, it's the best level in the game.
versed estuary
Doom 3 Shotgun best weapon in any doom game no competition
wild zealot
doom 3 channel appears
immediately "well I didn't really like doom 3 blah blah"
Unrelated, I remember playing doom 3 on og xbox, as well as now having the bfg edition. Good times. Still think the remastered doom 3 armor is one of the best suits.
Aside from lost souls, and the fuckin spiders, I'm really enjoying replaying it.
versed estuary
I love doom 3. Honestly th best $10 I ever bought
scenic stratus
i think ill start my first playthrough once i get home
muted coyote
I said it in the earlier Doom chats, but Doom 3 was the game that taught me the importance of a good PC power supply.
When it first released, I picked it up for PC. My CPU and video card were powerful enough, and I had enough RAM. My PSU, on the other hand, would completely shut down after five or ten minutes of gameplay because it simply couldn't handle the power demand.
versed estuary
SSG in doom 3 is so satisfying.
wild zealot
Why are images always disabled. Disgusting. Heaven forbid we discuss what something looks like
versed estuary
Thats not the reason why and u know it
wild zealot
I guess its actually hell forbid
Anyways
Doom 3 cover. Good shit.
versed estuary
At any given time there are roughly 3k people on this discord. And only 2-4 mods at once. Imagine if all 3k had the power to post whatever they wanted
Doom 3 hellknight best hellknight.
wild zealot
Surprisingly weaker than expected though, hp-wise
muted coyote
It's hardly a new thing. The official Mortal Kombat Discord has image posting disabled on most channels for the same reason; the two that don't have it disabled are because they're for fan art and character customizations, and they have to deal with abuse there too.
junior ether
Honestly Doom 3, on its own, is not as bad as everyone says it is.
It just has an identity crisis.
Is it Doom? Or is it a generic sci-fi shooter?
Is it circle strafing fun times, or is it atmospheric horror?
And it keeps going back and forth between the two.
versed estuary
It really starts to become doom 5/6th of the way into the main campaign
RoE is where it truly starts out much faster as a doom game too
junior ether
Maybe a bit earlier than that.
I felt pretty Doom-y when I got the Plasma Gun and the game stopped putting Hitscan enemies everywhere.
versed estuary
Plasma gun felt too op. And you never ran out of ammo
I started my first play through on the hardest possible difficulty before completing the campaign and getting the harder difficulty.
stuck lion
I feel that too. If I run out of ammo for the plasma I got an assault rifle with 600 ammo and vice versa
junior ether
I haven't beaten RoE yet. How long is it?
junior ether
The only reason I didn't use the assault rifle a lot is because it sounds so wimpy.
versed estuary
They are not short so to say but they are not super long either
RoE gives you that juicy juicy super shotgun
stuck lion
I tried to main the shotty but god do I just suck at aiming it
junior ether
Yeah I just got the super shotgun.
The gravity gun would be super useful if it didn't distort your vision so much.
versed estuary
Aiming and the normal shotty cant be in the same sentence
stuck lion
Haven't started on the dlcs yet, still waiting on that cool hell part in the main campaign
versed estuary
1 point blank shot kills. Or 7 still dont kill at point blank
stuck lion
The normal shotty has no spread, I miss the enemy by a billimeter and I deal no damage
versed estuary
It has too much spread
stuck lion
Bruh
junior ether
No spread?! What in tarnation?
stuck lion
I'm talking about the combat shotgun, not the ssg you get in the dlc
versed estuary
It makes cod black ops 2 smr look accurate
junior ether
Yeah
stuck lion
I have no idea how the ssg is
versed estuary
I’m talking about the combat shotgun too
stuck lion
Huh odd. Is this bfg edition? Thats the one I'm playing
versed estuary
It’s beyond terrible , worst shotgun in any doom game
restive delta
Yeah RoE is like half the length of 3
versed estuary
SSG is amazing, feels like a ssg should. Combat shotgun is 🤮🤮🤮
junior ether
I played BFG edition and it was really up to God whether or not the shotgun would hit anything
restive delta
Probably less since you cut out endless emails and audio logs
stuck lion
Up to god and my crap aiming
junior ether
You assume that I read all that?
versed estuary
I did, listening to a dude screaming over the pda and getting attacked by hidden demons is great
Emails i scanned for codes adn thats it
junior ether
I made a point to execute every single human that I saw during my Doom 3 playthrough, before they can say literally anything.
stuck lion
I don't even need the codes for the lockers since theres enough ammo lying about to have a constant 600
versed estuary
Trueeeeee
stuck lion
I was thinking of doing that too dred but then I realized I need to have some humanity
Also I think if you killed that teleporter guy you couldn't get through
junior ether
Nope
versed estuary
I killed like every human in doom 3. It was mercy. They were gunna die anyways to the demons
junior ether
To the game's credit, you never soft lock no matter how many humans you kill.
stuck lion
What kinda marines are you guys smg my head
junior ether
Doom Marines
versed estuary
Dude is half dead on the floor. In pain. Helped him along the way
stuck lion
Okay, THATS a good point dred
restive delta
Have you found the BFG yet though Soky?
junior ether
You mean the blond bodyguard guy? Yeah I shot him in the head as he was telling me his final words.
versed estuary
It’s eh, i never used it except for the last level
restive delta
Well you might need to do some sneaky code look-ups for it
stuck lion
God I feel like I'm missing so much stuff, I'm 2 hours away from the end and I havent found shid
restive delta
Actually since you're in Delta 3, you could have had it already
versed estuary
You get the pda with the code like 6 levels before the BFG Level, hence why you forget the code exists
restive delta
Indeed
acoustic kayakBOT
Indeed!
junior ether
Indeed?
stuck lion
Dml
If I'm in delta 3 does that mean I passed hell since its apparently right after delta 2
restive delta
But there's a sneaky one in a Martian Buddy cabinet too. Just you get next to no chance to us it
versed estuary
I wont lie i used doom 3 code wiki, i wasnt gunna deal with these hidden codes and codes from previous levels nah screw that
restive delta
Nah Hell is after Delta 4, you will tell for sure
stuck lion
I see gotcha
junior ether
I got the BFG like right before Hell.
versed estuary
Or the 6 min PDA that goes like oh yeah 768 and ends
stuck lion
I've seen the bfg be used by another guy like 3 times already I want it too ;-;
versed estuary
Like wait what he said dammit
restive delta
Yeah the cheeky bastard uses it like really early in the game
stuck lion
Teasin me so much
versed estuary
The BFG is eh in doom 3. I dont really like it except for the end level
junior ether
Have you guys seen speedruns of Doom 3?
restive delta
You're in the level where you use multiple teleporters right, and you can select different pad destinations for them?
stuck lion
Yeah thats where I am
restive delta
yeah that's Delta 3
stuck lion
Stopped right after teleporting to the balcony and jumping right off it
versed estuary
Spoiler about the BFG i hate how || you can overcharge and explode ||
stuck lion
Gotcha, so I should be close to hell? somewhat..?
junior ether
Cause the guy who teases you by using the BFG early and running off?
Yeah they totally manage to kill him and get the BFG like 20 minutes into the game.
restive delta
Yes, you're very close to Hell
stuck lion
versed estuary
Best hell in any doom game imo
restive delta
Delta 3 is fairly long though since there are many teleporters
stuck lion
I hear so much good about it, I'm actually hyped for this hell
restive delta
And if you select the wrong pads, you can go back miles in the level
stuck lion
Th-thats not concerning at all...
junior ether
Quick save at the pads
restive delta
But some do get you into storage rooms. One of which has a secret vent at the back to get back near the end of the level
junior ether
So you can just load the saves instead of having to go back
versed estuary
I somehow managed to get through the pads in the right order by accident. I was like yay
stuck lion
Oh god you think I'll be able to tell if I'm earlier in the game? I can't even tell 2 rooms apart. I'll walk all the way through the facility probably
restive delta
I didn't see that first time I played, and went through like all 4 teleporters or whatever to get back to the end
stuck lion
Yikes
restive delta
Well generally if you teleport to an old area, there are no enemies around
But most of the time you can kinda see what pad to go to on the little map when you start up the teleporters
stuck lion
Thats true but once I backtracked for like an hour straight without realizing something was wrong so I wouldn't put it past me
Oh a map? Thank the lord
restive delta
yeah, where you select the pads, there's a small map that highlights whichever pad you select
But I think most of them you can't get wrong, like if you take the "main" pad it's in the same room, and any other pad will progress. Like I think the second teleporter has a storage room pad that's right next to the hallway pad, so you can progress from either
it's only the final teleporter that has real backtracking I think, but the storage one has that vent like I said, which will bring you back not far from that final teleporter. Also pretty sure one of the pads on that final tele says "exit" so it's obvious where to go if you just want to finish
Let's say this, I find it less confusing than E3M7 Limbo
Actually I was wrong, the martian buddy cabinet with the BFG was back in Delta 2B
restive delta
Yeah I always found them a bit creepy
boreal adder
but Delta labs always gave me this feeling like "this place must have been evil even before it all went to hell"
Even Lazarus Labs didn't really manage that for me
maybe 'cause it's the point where you stop finding other survivors
restive delta
yeah Delta Labs is just messed up in total
2A and 2B where you learn about the teleportation experiments is pretty disturbing
And yeah 2016 isn't really designed with that feel
terse marsh
ive never played doom 3 and i probably never will
covert phoenix
Play it or get thrown to Hell
restive delta
I still think it's worth a play, just from a retrospective point of view.
It's like when I go back to some older games in other series, they haven't aged well necessarily, but you appreciate how they progressed the series still
covert phoenix
Doom 3 would've been better if it wasn't titled 'Doom'
boreal adder
Arch-Vile 3: the Days of Misery?
terse marsh
if i were to get it, it would have to be before doom eternal, because if i get it after, i will never play it
safe karma
its horror and survival
terse marsh
meh
doom 3 demon designs make me want to vomit
they are all skin colored and i dont like it
boreal adder
It isn't really horror. if it was it would try harder to be scary
terse marsh
if anything, ill probably just watch a playthrough of it
boreal adder
It's about hunting demons and to a lesser extent being hunted by them
"horror" was a convenient label to throw at it but it's not really what it was going for
restive delta
@terse marsh Don't watch a playthrough, you'll die of boredom
terse marsh
ill watch the quake con speedrun
restive delta
Well that'll be better then, they skip much of the combat anyway
But honestly if you are going to play, Resurrection of Evil is more fun. It won't much as much sense from a story perspective, but it's not like it'll be confusing to have not played 3 first
boreal adder
I don't know, it was watching the first few levels on a playthrough that convinced me to give it a try
and I was never the same again
restive delta
Well I was exaggerating, but nonetheless I think watching a whole playthrough of the game might get a bit dull
boreal adder
"then I realized, all those tigers were right. I must be a cat in a person costume. how else to explain how much I loved hunting in the dark?"
Occam's Razor
clearly the simplest explanation is the most complicated
also I hadn't met any tigers yet IIRC
so it makes total sense
junior ether
Hey so, I'm playing through Resurrection of Evil, and I just beat the second boss, and on the leftside of my screen, it said "Berserk"
Does that mean that the artifact now gives me berserk instead of slow motion, or does it give me both at the same time?
restive delta
It gives you both
And better than that, the beserk applies to weapons too
(so basically have fun one-shotting everything with the super shotgun )
junior ether
Oh my lord
heady vortex
one doom 3 level per day till release
just killed the spider boss. Should I play Lost Levels or RoE first?
restive delta
I've not played the lost ones (I don't have BFG) so I can't say
But from what I've seen, I'd say RoE
scenic stratus
well time to start up doom 3 i think
restive delta
In terms of timeline, lost missions are kinda concurrent to 3 I think, so maybe those first if you care about that stuff
versed estuary
RoE follows the story line of campaign. Then the lost levels are Kinda like just extra dlc missions
heady vortex
I might just play those last then.
scenic stratus
Wait. Guys. We're a lot of people in this server, right? Guess what? There's a REALLY good Doom 3 PvE multiplayer mod (fast-paced) called Mars City Security. Now this is what I call a lucky set up.
nimble wren
does the BFG edition multiplayer have a massive amount of lag for no reason for anyone else
like 999 ping kind of lag
any other game is fine
scenic stratus
I mean
Since this Discord is pretty big
Weekly or Monthly Events would be really good
QCDE/D4T Discord has them
MCS would be a good way to start the off as it is really fun
boreal adder
If I can get the original Doom3 set up on win10 (and depending on my work schedule) I'd love to try it
scenic stratus
Here's a link for you all
https://www.moddb.com/mods/mars-city-security
It's installed with the standard method. Features HD but not intensive graphics. Uses Quake 3-like method for matches.
coral solstice
I still think 3's better than 2016
boreal adder
they're too different for me to compare. I like both.
I've probably played 3 more times but it had a head-start 🙂
scenic stratus
Comparing 3 to 2016 is like comparing the original SMB to Mario 64
You just CAN'T
nimble wren
so you like Doom 3 better than 2016
scenic stratus
I like 2016 more than 3. But the latter is a perfectly good Doom game, only needing some tweaks to be perfect
Perfected Doom 3 is the mod I mainly use but it gets annoying because it is old and buggy
I wish there was a good overhaul for BFG Edition
coral solstice
PD3 is garbage
nimble wren
my take is that both games are good in their own ways
coral solstice
and so is BFG Edition
scenic stratus
BFG is more stable and complete imo
coral solstice
BFG changed too much
nimble wren
BFG edition does make some legitimate improvements though
coral solstice
it made it stupidly easier and actually had the audacity to cut out entire areas
like the blue part of ROE's Hell map
scenic stratus
And yeah PD3 is pretty bad for the usual standards, you have to play on the easiest difficulty for it to be decent
coral solstice
PD3 kept corrupting its own quicksaves
scenic stratus
It didn't for me, and that's the biggest problem with PD3
Its errors and problems vary VERY wildly between users
For example, I can't pick up Berserk. Can you?
coral solstice
I haven't gotten that far because again, it kept corrupting its quicksaves for me
scenic stratus
Try with the Warp
coral solstice
anyways, apparently Bethesda thought the lame Cybie boss in 3 wasn't easy enough so they made it even easier in BFG Edition
scenic stratus
Yup
nimble wren
how did they make it easier
coral solstice
in regular Doom 3 only the Soul Cube can harm it
scenic stratus
We really, seriously need a full mod of BFG Edition
scenic stratus
Restoring cut content
Improving gameplay
Et cetera
coral solstice
removing that shitty shoulder flashlight
there was nothing wrong with regular Doom 3's flashlight IMO
nimble wren
oh really
Soul Cube is actually the easier strategy though
keep moving, whack the imps and maggots that keep spawning, and launch the cube when it's ready
the cyberdemon can't even hit you if you keep your distance, really
scenic stratus
Or perhaps
Making so you don't need a fucking flashlight
coral solstice
then that sucks out what horror the game had
scenic stratus
Like Doom 2016, dark but not pitch black
nimble wren
Doom 2016 is a whole lot brighter though
scenic stratus
Only in its arenas.
Check out the ravaged corridors, you'll find stuff you could easily see in Doom 3
nimble wren
still
I'd say keep the flashlight
handheld, mounted, whichever
scenic stratus
Oh yeah. Have a fucking toggle for it like it deserves
nimble wren
Classic RBDoom3 BFG has one
scenic stratus
I still haven't really got what features CRBD3 actually has
nimble wren
most of them are improvements to the classic Doom wads
it only has a small handful of features for Doom 3 itself
scenic stratus
Isn't Doom 3 Reduz just graphics
normal lintel
yes, thats why it's good
scenic stratus
Bruh
Doom 3 was good but not quite great still
What you mean not great?
For 2004 it was phenomenal.
coral solstice
Doom 3 was a masterpiece IMO
nimble wren
I actually prefer the shoulder flashlight
I would like to be able to see where I'm shooting thanks
nimble wren
I admit it would be fine in most areas but I can think of quite a few areas where it would have been frustrating if I wasn't able to see
scenic stratus
Have you actually tried playing Doom 3 vanilla?
nimble wren
no
Doom 3 is really a mixed bag when it comes to horror elements
atmosphere is good, some scares are good, but a lot of other stuff feels cheap
scenic stratus
Tutorial for noobs: you use flashlight to spot someone. Then you switch to a gun and fire in the direction when you last saw the enemy.
You can also provoke Imps to throw balls at you which will light up the room.
nimble wren
still
I would rather have the shoulder flashlight instead of a somewhat cheap mechanic that restricts your visibility
like I could probably work with the handheld flashlight just fine but I would prefer to not have to put up with it
short lagoon
I know this may be a cliché thing to say, but the problem I have with the flashlight is that it makes no sense for the setting
normal lintel
what part of it doesn't make sense
short lagoon
This game takes place far into the future where you're playing as a space marine on Mars
scenic stratus
Remember, it was 2042 according to 2004.
nobody knew we gonna have smartphones already
short lagoon
You'd think they'd have armor or helmet mounted flashlights
normal lintel
i mean yea but it's not a space opera future setting where there is technology for everything
doom 3 is way more along the lines of space goth militaristic setting that goes into apocalyptic
short lagoon
Still though
scenic stratus
For 2004 it was phenomenal.
Half Life 2 bruh
Compare the graphics & gameplay
HL2 is a far better game from the same year
short lagoon
To be fair, HL2 doesn't have the same use of dynamic shadows and lighting that DOOM 3 has
normal lintel
yeah the lighting in doom 3 is phenomenal
short lagoon
HL2 still looks good and has its own advantages, but the baked lighting isn't a strong point
restive delta
yeah you can't really compare the visuals
I mean you can, but the art direction and tech drive is so different there's no point
scenic stratus
Half Life 2 got nothing on Doom 3
It lost in everything.
Like.. littelary everything.
short lagoon
IDK HL2 has much better variety
normal lintel
also 2004 HL2 is very different from what you can play now
scenic stratus
Textures, lighting, polygon count.. what else was there?
short lagoon
In the gameplay i mean
scenic stratus
Doom 3's shadows are pitch black
Source's have actual gradations
That's the main thing separating them
Doom 3 also has gradations
Pitch black shadows are put there intentionally.
Nope. Player shadow is a major offender.
Those do not react to Gamma settings and are placed to hide stuff.
short lagoon
While HL2's shadows don't look TOO bad, the baked nature of it means that it's very static and there's plenty of noticeable inconsistencies, especially when comparing those related to moveable objects and NPCs vs the map itself.
DOOM 3 doesn't have those same issues for the most part, though the lack of soft shadows in the original release is where it falls short
restive delta
Yeah that's the main thing with 3's shadows, they're just one intensity
But 3 still impressed me with how it used the tech for the atmosphere
scenic stratus
Doom 3 needs an unique artstyle for its shadowing to work well
normal lintel
there are many areas i feel that HL2 does better than Doom 3 (mainly character models and animations) but lighting isn't one of them
restive delta
And also having GUIs in the game was pretty damn cool
short lagoon
Yeah, DOOM 3's character models kinda look like they're made out of clay
scenic stratus
And also having GUIs in the game was pretty damn cool
Oh yeah. Wish they were in 2016 too.
Not necesarily as expansive. Just when you have to open that door, there's the cool cursor on the screen.
A screen. In the screen!
muted coyote
I remember when I first launched Doom 3, and how amazing it seemed that this one display of the dropship arriving in Mars orbit pulled back to reveal it was part of a cutscene in a control room.
restive delta
I think they probably dropped it for 2016 because it does slow interaction to a degree
scenic stratus
Still better than teleportation
restive delta
They probably could have done some stuff in secrets
Well they kinda did with Turkey Puncher and Demon Destruction, but not quite the same
normal lintel
🦃 🤛
short lagoon
Super Turbo Turkey Fister?
scenic stratus
Good news: i got Doom 3 working
Bad news: i cannot take screenshots there.
"fister"
sounds like an hdoom minigame
normal lintel
does PrtSc not work?
scenic stratus
If you're on Win10 use the good ol'Xbox interface
nimble wren
@scenic stratus PrtSc should work unless the game uses that as its own screenshot function
scenic stratus
@scenic stratus @short lagoon @restive delta check #showroom-archive
lunar obsidian
@scenic stratus please, don't use #showroom-archive as imgur. If image belongs here, just embed image link here.
Thanks.
scenic stratus
@lunar obsidian That takes way too much effort. I still do not understand why you allow to post images and yet force it to do in an ass backwards way.
@scenic stratus @short lagoon @restive delta fixed the stretching
Also it seems Doom 3 knows how to use 2 threads, which is quite impressive.
nimble wren
HUD is still stretched though
restive delta
Yeah this is how I play it too
empty rock
@scenic stratus We do not allow file uploads to prevent some peoples meme folders to be dumped in here. It's that simple.
Please stick to our rules. Thanks.
nimble wren
so that's why the HUD is like that
normal lintel
yea. a wide crosshair bugs me too much
nimble wren
RTCW has the same issue, even when using iortcw
I try not to let it bother me too much
scenic stratus
I must say tho.. that HUD is HORRIBLE
nimble wren
the leftmost digit really bugs me yeah
scenic stratus
but maybe i just hate minimalism too much.
It honestly looks like it was drawn in paint and photoshopped onto the pic
normal lintel
doom 3's hud or the mod's hud?
scenic stratus
mod hud
nimble wren
I'm just bothered by the 1 25 and the 1 00
versed estuary
Arguably the best hell in any doom game. However boss was sadly stupidly easy
scenic stratus
Yes. Good news is that Eternal's hell seems to be more like Doom 3's hell.
versed estuary
Sweet it better. 2016 hell was ok. But didn’t feel “hell enough”
scenic stratus
Mars felts more hellish than Hell in Doom 2016
restive delta
I quite liked Kadingir though, that bleak look reminds me of some of the classic hell levels like Slough of Despair
scenic stratus
What i don't understand
restive delta
But 3's hell is just sick, no questions about it
scenic stratus
Kadingir on the level photo looks like actual hell.
But when you load into the game, it is yellow...
restive delta
Which is strange because the E3 version was even more yellow
scenic stratus
I think some gamma setting changes
restive delta
Yeah, plus you have a few filters you can use in 2016 which change the colour tones a bit
scenic stratus
Unreal Tournament 4 was kinda butchered when Epic decided to move general brightness up.
It esp messed up a lot of community maps. Which are now way too bright.
normal lintel
oh yeah UT4 i member downloading it way before fortnite was a thing.
shame that they left it to die for that br money
scenic stratus
Ok so fun fact.
Kadinger is a lot less yellow on OLED screen
UT4 also looks way better on OLED.
OLED is the way to go
stuck lion
Okay y'all were right doom 3's hell is cool as fuck
little raven
How much farther is it from alpha labs 4
stuck lion
Not far at all
little raven
Sweet
stuck lion
The shoot it until it dies method is not working ree
frozen nova
Doom 3 is way better than people give it credit
stuck lion
I used to think so too but I found most of the game before hell pretty boring
wild zealot
Thats just because its not a drug enduced sprint of rage from start to finish
frozen nova
it does get there in the second half though, despite the slower pace
little raven
I think it’s great
stuck lion
I think I managed to somehow miss it
wild zealot
There's more than one part in hell
velvet sleet
Doom 3 sucked
wild zealot
You just entered hell the first time right
velvet sleet
that is all
wild zealot
Thanks for the useless input
sturdy owl
I always died using the bfg
wild zealot
Okay so
The secret tablet you find near the end is really sweet.
People are quick to fuckin burn a game like this like it was some cheap attempt at killing a franchise, and not a project dozens of people worked together to create. Finding stuff from devs in-game is always a treat
sturdy owl
I'm in caverns 2 how far am I from finishing the game.
normal lintel
1 more map
wild zealot
Pretty close
sturdy owl
Great, is it the cyberdemon or betruger I have to worry about?
frozen nova
uh
adjust expectations for the final fight
lets just say Doom games tend to have somewhat disappointing finales
normal lintel
hmm i liked the final boss
nimble wren
@sturdy owl cyberdemon
Betruger is the boss of another campaign
oak prism
The advantage of mod support isn't really that great if nobody is making mods or have made many mods in the past.
That was sadly the case for Doom 3 since the most popular mod was Duct Tape when it was released.
There is one mod I could recommend, and it's not exactly a Doom 3 mod but a standalone game called "The Dark Mod."
normal lintel
yeah thief was good
oak prism
There was also a Hexen mod but I don't think it went anywhere
scenic stratus
The advantage of mod support isn't really that great if nobody is making mods or have made many mods in the past.
There. Exactly my point about lack of mod support in 2016 & Eternal; no one would mod it in the first place.
frozen nova
Except they would because its a Doom game
stuck lion
I'd learn modding just so I can mod eternal
frozen nova
Doom games attract modders because Doom was one of the earliest games people modded
scenic stratus
No lol
Everyone is stuck with Classic Doom
frozen nova
except its all done with workarounds instead of organically like in Doom 3
scenic stratus
Yup, just like Classic Doom
99% of the features we have today are added by sourceports
frozen nova
id software didnt except Doom to get modded, so their next game Quake added full mod support with QuakeC
scenic stratus
Yes, even Chocolate Doom has some features for mods
.deh support most prominently
frozen nova
dehacked was for vanilla, works on chocolate doom as well
scenic stratus
Nope the PWAD system was made exactly for modding
Dehacked is, well, an hack
Just like the way 2016 is modded
frozen nova
but 2016 doesnt have Doom 3 level of mod support
scenic stratus
As doesn't Classic Doom
The truth is that we have reached the point of stagnation
frozen nova
but classic doom had its source code released, as did Doom 3
wraith schooner
Anyone asking for mod support in 2016 or Eternal has no fucking clue what they're talking about and doesn't realize the amount of work it's going to take
scenic stratus
^ Exactly
wraith schooner
Classic Doom WAS NOT as mod friendly as it seems
scenic stratus
Yup. Most modding actually allowed thanks to the community rather than the original creators
And what kind of mods would be made with 2016 anyway
wraith schooner
when you look at some doom mod these days, you're looking at >25 years of community effort fucking with the source code when that was released
id Software didn't make doom modding popular. Doom modding skyrocketted when people made the tools
you can't even make custom monsters in classic. You can only replace assets
scenic stratus
And now everyone wants the stuff ready at the very beginning
That is just not how it works
Even Gmod needed several updates to become what it is today
wraith schooner
Is it possible? Sure, but there's a reason it takes a giant team of programmers, art creators, musicians, developers, whatever, to make a AAA game
id tech 6 require server farms to make maps
you can't compile your own maps on your own PC, you need a dedicated super computer to do it
if you've ever done something as innocuous as building a map in hammer, then you can have some perspective understanding a dedicated server farm is not normal
restive delta
@stuck lion Yeah that's the main problem with Hell, it's just one level
Also you missed the BFG again? Oof
To be fair they're pretty well hidden in Hell.
Don't worry though since it's pretty much shoved in your face later
restive delta
Yeah there are two in there I believe, but are hidden though
restive delta
One is after you meet some Hell Knights near the big doors, you go outside where there are more of them, and then at the very edge there's a cheeky ledge that goes around the outside of this area with a BFG
The other one I believe is behind the portal to the Guardian boss
It's pretty cool, since if you get it, you can cheese the Guardian boss
stuck lion
Dang I didn't find those at all
Also the guardian doggy took me a hot while since the crosshair didn't go red when I shot him so clearly I was doing something wrong
Turns out I just had to keep shooting
restive delta
Yeah first time I played I had no idea what I was doing with that guy
stuck lion
I thought maybe I had to hit that red portal thing that appears above him when he spawns the brain things
restive delta
I mean they say "kill the seekers and the Guardian becomes vulnerable" but they don't say where he becomes vulnerable
And yes, that's where you have to hit. It's not really that obvious
restive delta
It changes red when you hit it, I think
coral solstice
When I first played I couldn’t even make out what they were saying
restive delta
You probably hit with enough splash damage to eventually kill it
restive delta
But yeah with the BFG you can properly cheese it, you charge it up full just after you gain control, shoot it at the orb, then unload a few rockets
He goes down immediately
stuck lion
I did it the authentic way
Forgetting you own any other weapon except for the plasma rifle and assault rifle
restive delta
stuck lion
Rocket launcher didn't cross my mind once when I was going through all those hell knights
restive delta
It's fun on small enemies though, since it sends them flying
stuck lion
Oh lord I gotta try that
I love shooting the corpses with the plasma since they kinda just, disintegrate
And I have a constant stream of cell crates so I can just do that
stuck lion
I can really notice what people mean with bfg edition is too forgiving on ammo
Nono I mean, environmental corpses
restive delta
Oh
stuck lion
Those that are there from the get go
restive delta
I never noticed that, I thought they just gib anyway
stuck lion
Sometimes they gib sometimes they disintegrate
restive delta
And yeah, it's not like the original 3 was harsh on ammo
scenic stratus
Hmm yes there are 2 of them
What truly impressive is how well the first Plasma Gun is hidden 
versed estuary
Man the guardian looked so freaking cool why did it have to die soo fast? ;-;
Cool intro, cool looking, me running away, and then 5 seconds later with rockets it’s dead. It was so sad
stuck lion
Good thing I forgot about the rocket launcher completely
versed estuary
5 rocket magazine of op power
Oh I never forgot it’s goodness.
Now I never used the BFG
restive delta
@scenic stratus Yeah for the longest time I didn't know there was a plasma gun in Alpha 3
And the one in 4 if you activate that EFR system or whatever the hell it's called is crazy to reach
scenic stratus
I just made it to Hell and it’s beautiful
When you first arrive in Hell, that giant demon skull in the lava looks like the Icon of Sin.
versed estuary
Enjoy it for as long as it lasts
Sadly nowhere near as long as it should have been
But still the best Hell in doom no contest.
scenic stratus
What you mean? Hell level is pretty darn long.
Much longer than Doom 2016 hell levels for sure.
restive delta
In the scheme of the game length though, it's a pretty short percentage
Plus you've just come from Lazarus, and some of those levels are probably a bit longer.
unique ridge
Never played this but watched a lot about it and let me say that hell level, open with endless sprint, looks like it really shows where the combat system shines
I'd get this sooner if it had more like that
restive delta
Yeah it definitely has a different feel to any other level
versed estuary
Hell filled me with so much awe, i was actually sad that it was 1 level
I mean they probably dumped half their budget in hell, but still, such an amazing place
brisk gulch
Theres some hell in roe
versed estuary
Oh???? You peaked my interest, gotta finish Roe
In hell I’ll just roe roe roe my boat
rotund trench
there's a good bit of Hell in Roe
nimble wren
they cut some of it out in the BFG edition, I heard
just in case that's what you're playing
scenic stratus
https://www.moddb.com/mods/absolutehd/downloads/doom-3-absolute-hd-16
Found what looks like a good mod. Gonna try this later today.
worn sphinx
So when you totally max out the Super Shotgun, does each shot deal half the damage from before? Since you shot twice the ammunition before, but now you're only blasting one shell at a time?
lunar obsidian
No
You gave 4 charges at barrels, blasting 2 of them per shot
Basically doubles your damage output, not halves
Also that two shots cost you two shells, not four
Basically now you don't need combat shotgun
worn sphinx
Hell yeah.
It's something I've been curious about for a while.
It'd be logical to cut it in half, but be a dumb gameplay choice
But this is DOOM
The only gameplay choices made are good ones
stuck lion
You can upgrade the ssg? 
worn sphinx
Hell yeah.
2 purchasable upgrades
And 1 mastery
The Mastery is so fucking good
Turns the Super shotgun from an ammo chewing but high damage secondary
To a demon chomping, ammo preserving primary that really works for any situation
worn sphinx
Fuck
Wrong chat
stuck lion
Dangg I thought you could upgrade it ;-;
Was surprizing since none of the other weapons are upgradeable
worn sphinx
Sorry XD
I meant to ask in DOOM 2016
It's 2 AM for me
lunar obsidian
Damn, and i thought it is 2016 chat
commits sudoku
stuck lion
Also whats this I hear about them removing the other hell levels from bfg edition
Is there just one after all ?
nimble wren
there's just one section from RoE that BFG removes
the "green area", someone called it
stuck lion
Darnet and the hell areas are the actually interesting ones
restive delta
Yeah there's a cool blue fog area in RoE hell that has some beefy demons
They just yeeted it off BFG.
Basically you were forced to take a turn in the previous area, got teleported there, completed it, teleported back, then at that forced turn, it was now open to continue the level
So maybe they thought it was confusing, but I don't see why, since it would be way easier to get lost in Delta 3
I think they might have skipped some stuff in some previous levels in RoE too, though I can't remember. I watched someone play most of it, but it was a while back
Maybe it was a space thing, to avoid making it too large for the consoles
scenic stratus
@restive delta They also downgraded Maledict fight both visually and gameplay
And they added a new are in BFG that was not present in vanilla RoE
restive delta
They added a new area? This I did not see 
And yeah I saw the Maledict fight, it looked way easier
Mind you, last time I played it vanilla it was easier than I remembered
surreal mirage
Does anyone know what happened to the general doom chats?
restive delta
They got split into separate ones for each game
Since even with the two before, sometimes chat would cross games in each
Now with the splits, most of the discussion will stay on topic to the particular games, which is good
versed estuary
^
scenic stratus
Doom 3 is a really good game
I don’t know why people hated it so much
It’s something different. I like that survival horror element to it. Not everything has to be so fast paced
worn sphinx
Having only seen gameplay, I'd say people disliked DOOM 3 because they bought DOOM for fast paced action, not so much a horror experience.
scenic stratus
from what I've played so far, the action is still very much the focus. It's just a different pace
stuck lion
My issue with it isn't the pacing at all, I think its good too. Its just such a boring environment
Only the hell level was good
versed estuary
They were going more so for lightings and sound over actual environments, hence why mars base looks the same throughout
scenic stratus
Because of their lighting system in id tech 4, making big open enviroments was a pain in the ass to do.
versed estuary
Their helll was beautiful tho
brisk gulch
Like jeez, i would purposely go to hell to stare at its beauty
versed estuary
I have a save file at the start of hell purely to replay it
scenic stratus
I have save file at start of every level
versed estuary
I wanted to do that, but saved over them by accident
scenic stratus
well i sure am looking forward to getting to the hell levels then
brisk gulch
I have a save at super turbo turkey puncher
versed estuary
Hell level* singular
At least for the main campaign
I wish there was one entire expansion in hell, that woulda been glorious
versed estuary
I liked doom 3, sure the levels did kinda get repetitive looking. But that hell
Insert emperors new groove perfect gif
versed estuary
Yaaaaas
charred fox
I still think doom 3 forces you to make fast paced decisions plenty of times because of the way enemy encounters work
It’s just that the intro is long and there’s occasional flashlight sections
And a crane puzzle lool
scenic stratus
It's boring mostly, you open the door, there's an Imp, shoot.
charred fox
That’s only for the first part of the game imo
Eventually it starts spawning revenants behind you and chaingunners
scenic stratus
True that
But Chaingunners still die easily
charred fox
Which is good!
scenic stratus
You basically never jump unless needed
charred fox
It was a hallway shooter which is technically doom, but a little too much
I jump a lot
But for bhoppin
Butyeah I get u
scenic stratus
Aight so Absolute HD has busted ammo
I asked a guy in the comments since his is recent
Cuz this looks like exactly what I want for Doom 3
tender holly
heady vortex
i wish they made the rest of the episodes.
restive delta
I remember talking to one of the guys that did the music for that
I can't remember why they didn't do the other episodes. I seem to recall copyright concerns being involved, but how much influence that actually had I don't know
elfin jacinth
lfg room?
unique sky
@elfin jacinth You can now ask in the channel for the game you want to play
restive delta
Well, with the Beth sale for the Australian relief, I just trolled myself and got the modern Beth ports of DOOM 1, 2 and 3 on PC
So finally I can see how bad the BFG version is, and finally play the Lost Missions like 8 years later or whatever it is
scenic stratus
It is quite sad that Lost Mission is not available in vanilla Doom
Considering that BFG has downgraded graphics.
scenic stratus
Yes you did.
restive delta
Is it me or is the sound balance worse on the BFG Edition? Seems like ambient sounds are too loud compared to voices and sound effects
At least I can turn of sprint toggle in the config file
stuck lion
I feel that too dml, I couldn't hear the voices well even when I paused whatever youtube video I watch on the side
restive delta
I felt like on the original, you heard an imp sound and was like "woah, there's an imp behind me"
But now it's like "was that an imp sound?" since it's harder to identify through all the ambient and radio chatter
I'll do some digging and see what settings are around. Or just look stuff up online, since other people have probably already done it
I don't really feel like there were audio balance options in the original though, so there probably aren't here either
restive delta
Well I was wrong, the toggle values make no difference if you change them to 0
So I have to get used to toggling me sprint, which is kinda annoying
unique ridge
Xbox og Doom 3 was pretty impressive too
nimble wren
yeah there's only a single master volume slider in BFG too
restive delta
@unique ridge Yeah I played a little bit of that at QuakeCon, for the first time ever, very impressive how they got it running on there
Sure it was missing a few minor features, and they had to split levels into small chunks, but it was pretty cool
coral solstice
the fact that you could hear the enemies so clearly was another reason why I liked 3 over 2016
restive delta
BFG messes that up though
But I know what you mean with 2016, enemy sounds could be balanced louder
But at least we have sliders for music and voice to try and balance it a bit better
coral solstice
I wish the enemies sounded more unique in general in 2016
little raven
Just saw my first soul holy shit those things are terrifying
versed estuary
Wait until u see the cherubs
fluid sorrel
So is BFG just easier then the OG? I remember it being way harder when I was younger.
restive delta
Haven't played much of it yet, but it seems you get more ammo
versed estuary
Ammo is no issue at all for sure,
restive delta
And they nerfed some boss fights
It's not like vanilla 3 was that hard on anything but nightmare though
versed estuary
Once u get plasma rifle u basically can use it until u beat the game
nimble wren
not strictly
you can use it exclusively for a while before you run out though
also depends on the area
versed estuary
I was able to use it for 90% of the game after getting it
The other 10% was rockets
charred fox
same
silk cairn
Doom 3 is Diet Doom
fluid sorrel
General kenobi
silk cairn
Hello there
heady vortex
made it to recycling level. one level each day till doom eternal
normal lintel
i am speed 
dark knot
I n d e e d
scenic stratus
I really wish I could play DOOM 3 CO-OP mod although I've never been able to get it to work.
scenic stratus
Litterally only their mother can love them
Assuming they're born from Vagaries that is
Aight finally managed to fully set Absolute HD up without those nasty bugs
Probably best mod
carmine orbit
Baby Mancubus
versed estuary
Screw the cherubs
First time I ran into them is in the vents main campaign, all I hear is echoing baby cries then like 6 of these rush you
I don’t think I’ve ever been freaked out in a game before except for that moment
brisk gulch
I want to hit baybee
nimble wren
friggin baby spam
at times it felt like they'd just keep spawning until I moved forward enough
there was also that one time where there were like 7 wraiths spawned at once
too many teleporty bois
versed estuary
Cherubs are evillll
normal lintel
babee pls
bright dock
Hey
They updated the ORGINAL Doom 3 into the BFG edition. There is now zero difference between the two distinct, paid editions of the game. Why?? They still list the original AND the BFG editions, yet it's EXACTLY THE SAME GAME.
subtle pike
🤷♂️
bright dock
Getting a refund. That's garbage and really makes me worry about Eternal.
They literally have both editions available for purchase, yet they do a hat trick and force you to download the BFG edition anyhow.
lunar obsidian
@bright dock FYI eternal is developed by Id and not Bethesda
bright dock
Thank god lol
coral solstice
On Steam?
bright dock
I guess I need to buy it, again on steam.
Already bought it once and it was taken away. Never gave back.
coral solstice
The Steam version is still the original 2004 release
nimble wren
so wait
on Bethesda.net, they removed the original Doom 3?
bright dock
No, it's still there, but it's secretly just BFG
No BFG labels, but it's played the same as BFG.
nimble wren
do the menus look the same as BFG? how about the loading screen popup?
bright dock
Oh wow. Lmao. I triggered the bot.
nimble wren
how far did they go with this stealth BFG edition conversion
bright dock
The start screen is the same. Can't skip cutscenes. Shoulder mounted light.
versed estuary
So on the Bethesda launcher they updated Doom 3 to the BFG edition?
bright dock
Yep.
nimble wren
start screen as in main menu? or do you mean something else?
versed estuary
And yet u can buy both
Doom 3
And doom 3 BFG
versed estuary
That is pretty bs. I know people that much prefer normal doom 3 over BFG
bright dock
Like ME
nimble wren
so the menu looks like BFG, it just doesn't have the BFG edition title?
bright dock
Was all geared up to play it all day on my off day tomorrow, and they pulled a '76' on me.
Yes. No BFG title. Crap console like menu.
Seriously, does Bethesda ruin everything they touch? Good gosh.
nimble wren
so they just took the BFG edition, stripped out the classic Doom part, and swapped out the main menu title
bright dock
Yep!
nimble wren
the BFG edition is a mixed bag of changes, in my opinion
it's not terrible, and I actually prefer the shoulder-mounted flashlight
I imagine I'd find a handheld flashlight frustrating at times
the game pulls enough cheap moments as it is
coral solstice
They cut out the blue section in ROE’s Hell map
They made the already easy bosses easier
nimble wren
there is way too much ammo though
you could cut the reserve amount and pickups by half and it would still be enough
the cyberdemon fight is an absolute joke
the only one that gave me any trouble was the guardian
coral solstice
Maledict was pretty tough too
bright dock
BFG is crap.
And what Bethesda did, this bait and switch, is crap. Probably illegal, too.
The hand held light MADE the game. It's a horror shooter. BFG made it just silly.
coral solstice
I don’t think they even bothered to fix the shotgun either
nimble wren
I dunno the handheld flashlight seems a bit cheap
it has plenty of other things that make up the horror aspect
the shotgun spread is just ridiculous, that's what
even by video game shotgun standards
bright dock
If you didn't like the hand held flashlight, then you missed the entire point of the game. Honestly.
nimble wren
the handheld flashlight wasn't the only thing that made it horror though
there's enemy design, enemy placement, scripted events, atmosphere
Half-Life, the game that inspired it, has horror elements as well, and it has a hands-free flashlight
bright dock
Well, unfortunately, it's not the only issue with the change. There are also lots of pathing bugs, etc. The BFG edition is laughable compared to the original D3.
nimble wren
I'll admit that the BFG edition made both good and bad changes
but overall I don't think the bad changes are enough to say it's a bad version of the game
it could be better, sure, but it's not terrible
bright dock
Honest question. Did you play through the original?
nimble wren
no
I only bought the BFG edition because I thought I'd find the handheld flashlight annoying to put up with
bright dock
I promise, if you played the original with open eyes, you would have a different opinion.
nimble wren
I doubt it
even in a more horror-oriented FPS, I'd like to see where I'm shooting thanks
lunar obsidian
There are a lot of people that played both and found pros and cons for both versions
frozen nova
Doom 3 was never that dark in the first place
you could always see what you were looking at
RoE is a different story though
really the main problem with BFG edition changing how the flash light works is that they didnt add an option of changing it back to how it was in the original release
scenic stratus
^
nimble wren
it boils down to personal preference, really
mostly concerning the flashlight
scenic stratus
Sikkmod gives you both the usual flashlight and a weaker headlight
frozen nova
it should have been an option in the menu
Flashlight mode: Original/BFG Edition
scenic stratus
There are no real custcenes
frozen nova
lol you could skip cutscenes in Doom 3 but not Doom 4 
nimble wren
Classic RBDoom3BFG implements exactly that
a menu option for the flashlight
scenic stratus
I love how Classic RBDoom3BFG focuses on the classic ports despite the fact it deifinitely should on 3
nimble wren
it does implement a few small changes for 3 at least
safe karma
Stick to original Doom 3 if you want play instead of BFG
restive delta
Regarding the Bethesda Launcher versions, I don't believe that they ever sold the vanilla DOOM 3
Basically what you're seeing is the original DOOM 3 BFG Edition, which released for XB360, PS3 and PC, and presumably contains DOOM and DOOM II (though I have no idea whether they were included in the PC version too, I would imagine so)
The other version listed simply as DOOM 3 is 25th Anniversary Edition which was ported for XB1, PS4, Switch, and later PC
But yes it's essentially the BFG Edition, just they stripped out DOOM and DOOM II to sell separately, as those needed to be updated for the modern consoles too.
I agree it's not really explained, but the signs are there - the release date listed as "2012-10-15", minimum spec OS is Vista and later, the logo being the BFG logo with the 3 under DOOM, the vanilla game never being ported to modern consoles etc.
Oh and the biggest sign is that it contains the Lost Missions, which have only ever been included in the BFG Edition
That does make the original release of the BFG Edition pretty redundant, especially as the updated one is cheaper even if you buy the latest DOOM and DOOM II ports too (well, on the Bethesda Launcher at least), but presumably they still list it because it is still sold for XB360 and PS3 too.
restive delta
Oh and I forgot to mention, for those that want the vanilla versions of DOOM 3 and Resurrection of Evil, they can be had on Steam. So it's not like they've been removed from existence. It's just that Bethesda don't offer them directly, but I didn't think that they ever did.
robust parcel
I got the BFG Edition on Steam and it won't run ...and yes I've downloaded it first 😛 ..I've tried launch options ..reinstalling gpu drivers with a DDU pass done .. everything doesn't work
the game just won't run
ashen phoenix
Are you sure that you downloaded it from computer, not from your smartphone?))
robust parcel
oh yeah I don't use the steam app on my phone
robust parcel
so no more ideas then ??
stuck lion
Tried verifying its files?
restive delta
Not really... does it not give any kind of error message at all? And I presume you've tried verifying the files on Steam?