doom-3

[honest lynx]

It's not

https://youtu.be/9Mj18yvxlus

It makes sure your shotgun or ssg pellets always kill instead of becoming a nerf gun occasionally. Well one of the main things anyways

[vernal crest]

and people say that Classic Doom is faster ||when it takes too long to switch a weapon||

[wraith pumice]

I'm so used to quickswapping weapons in DE that I actually tried to do it in other fps games

the results are predictable

[honest lynx]

Doom 3 has fastish swapping surprisingly. I still don't do it often though but once in a while it's neat

[slim willow]

Weapon wheel would be nice

But scrolling is fine ig

[prime elbow]

ye

[prime elbow]

cool

[honest lynx]

There's mods for it also but I found this better

[acoustic acorn]

quickswaps do work in other games. You have to be aware of why it was good in eternal and then you can judge in what contexts it would help otherwise: Quickswaps in eternal are useful to skip animations, specifically, reloads or firerate delays. Some games, let you skip only the firerate but not the reload. Even then, you can push all the reloading until after the fight be switching weapons. While swaps are not exclusively good for semi autos, full autos benefit far less since less of their use time is downtime/dead animations.

In EDF 2017, the firerate on weapons has to happen timewise, but it doesn't matter if you have the weapon out. So you can spend that downtime with another weapon out. By alternating between two weapons like this, you'll never have to deal with as much firerate. You can't fire while rolling, but you can reload then. So you can progress part of a reload while rolling then shoot when you're back up. Or switch to the reload while your other weapon deals its firerate time. Or in Evil within: reloads have to be done but the end half of a reload is worthless (Cod games do this too). So you can quickly swap back and forth to cancel the useless half of the reload. Similarly, firerates do not need to be waited out in this game if you swap away. So, you can snipe, swap to shotgun, swap back to any weapon, shoot again, repeat.

Swaps do work, but you have to know what makes them good so you can apply them intelligently in games not designed for it. Doom3's arsenal is mostly full autos, so most of the swap use will come from saving reloads until a fight ends, or failing that, ending a fight on the chaingun because it reloads quickly

[vernal crest]

funny how Sarge is the only Joe that has lines (that I know of)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061010804197032018/1100108813199229089/Sarge_is_the_only_Joe_that_has_lines.mp4

[honest lynx]

Superior joe

[vernal crest]

only the superior Joe's get to talk

[full anvil]

having problems launching doom 3 bfg edition on steam.

[thorn cosmos]

update your gpu drivers

[full anvil]

ok

but how do i DO THAT

sorry about caps

[thorn cosmos]

if you have a nvidia gpu you should have a program called geforce experience

[full anvil]

ok tahnks

[tender totem]

Doom 3 isn’t canon

[vernal crest]

It is in another universe due to multiplyverses existing

[livid wharf]

It’s not part of the main timeline due to a different Earth, but it’s canon and the same Hell

[vernal crest]

Mhm, pretty much every hell is connected

[livid wharf]

I’d kind of like a Doom 3 sequel at some point, even as a spinoff

[tender totem]

So I kinda am right?

[thorn cosmos]

Yes, but also no.

[tender totem]

But if hell is connected does that mean those doom 3 demons are canon

[livid wharf]

Yup

[tender totem]

Those demons were alright

[livid wharf]

Presumably from a different part of Hell as Hell is very very big

[thorn cosmos]

yeah Hell is all one big plane of existence, so every Hell you see in every Doom game is the same Hell

[tender totem]

Oh

[livid wharf]

Would love to see the cherub and bruiser return

[hard skiff]

doom 3 cacodemon is ugly as shit

[vernal crest]

Technically speaking, isn't every demon from Doom ugly, even as pixels

[thorn cosmos]

I mean, even by ugly demon standards, Doom 3's cacodemon is ugly

[hard skiff]

I think most cacodemons are kinda cute

they have the most charm to them

[livid wharf]

Cacos are usually ugly but in a cute way. Doom 3 caco is just sad

[hard skiff]

doom 3 cacodemon looks like a breed between doom 64 pain elemental and a makyr

[vernal crest]

Caco in 3 might be my least favourite, but he's still happy to be an lil ugly shit

[hard skiff]

its a floating brain head thing

[thorn cosmos]

Doom 64's Pain Elemental is the only one that actually looks like a demon. OG Pain Elemental looks like it should be a stuffed animal.

[hard skiff]

Doom 64 cacodemon looks like a pain elemental

[vernal crest]

If only it didn't create two damn Lost Souls, so I guess it really is a demon after all

[livid wharf]

Doom 3 definitely has the worst baron of hell

[thorn cosmos]

Doom 3 hell knights look like they have a butt on their face.

[vernal crest]

It has none, so you're right

[livid wharf]

Exactly

[vernal crest]

Well at least Hellknights finally had an original design, rather than being recolors

[hard skiff]

Doom 2016 hell knight just had no eyes

like how the fuck

can it jump across the map

over to me, if it dont got eyes

[thorn cosmos]

magic, or something

[hard skiff]

Hell energy totally

[vernal crest]

Mhm, actually the Making Of Doom 3 book did try to claim that hellknight had no eyes, but then again that book did also say some other.... Things ...

[tender totem]

Doom 3 coco

[vernal crest]

"I can smell your sweat, Slayer"

[hard skiff]

he does have a big ass nose hole

[honest lynx]

Be 1995.. 2 green sticks means there's an enemy

Giant brown monster appears spitting assholes at you

[wraith pumice]

first time I played Doom 3, it was the BFG Edition

only some time after that I played the original, much better version

[livid wharf]

Something has been bothering me during my current Doom 2016 playthrough: why couldn’t Hayden’s men return from Hell but the UAC guys in Doom 3 did without (immediate) issue?

[wraith pumice]

because different universes perhaps

[scenic stratus]

Explored different parts of hell probably

Hayden led an expedition straight into a realm in hell that held the DoomSlayers crypt so the demons were likely on high alert

Speaking of its actually crazy how familiar this feels to dead space

Completely forgot about some parts

[vernal crest]

well, Slayer does also have a coffin in Doom 3. It took UAC 4 years later to get even more incompetent marines

[livid wharf]

Yeah that makes sense. I had assumed that they couldn’t come back because of something about Hell itself due to how everyone in 2016 makes a big deal about the Slayer being the only human to be able to return from Hell

[vernal crest]

welp, that's modern Doom for ya

[honest lynx]

Hells always constant

[scenic stratus]

It’s nuts how much ammo this game gives you

Doesn’t BFG edition double ammo too?

[livid wharf]

Yes

[scenic stratus]

WHYYY

The game was already easy enough was it really necessary to make it accessible to babies

[livid wharf]

IIRC the xbox version accidentally had a resource famine so maybe it was a response to that

[scenic stratus]

That was only the Xbox port though, which the bfg edition wasn’t based on.

Weird thing to respond to

But yeah consoles aren’t really optimal for D3 imo

Can’t even bind weapons to the D-pad

So weapon swapping being a pain and the port its based on being bad hampers the experience a ton

[ruby harbor]

Yeah doom 3 gives you a lot of ammo

I'm talking about the original of course

I'm playing through it right now and I have like almost 200 shotgun shells and 600 smg ammo

And it's only been 3 hours

I'm playing on veteran btw so I don't know it that's different for nightmare

[honest lynx]

Og has less ammo and great mods that lower it further but increase damage

[honest lynx]

Nightmare is brutal but fun

[viral briar]

Just asking, can you rebind buttons on DOOM 3 for OG Xbox?

[slim willow]

Nope

[scenic stratus]

gonna play some doom 3

[vernal crest]

gud

[scenic stratus]

the shotgun one shots everything but has 0 range lol

[wraith pumice]

you have to be in hugging range for it to be effective

however, since most of the combat takes place in close quarters, I don't see it as an issue

[scenic stratus]

yea and its fun

i love the gore
how the soldiers explode and reveal their organs and shit

brutal

[scenic stratus]

Even up close it’s very inconsistent

Sometimes it one shots imps sometimes it two shots

Which is a pain in the ass

crazy how early you can get the bfg in this game

I missed it somehow

[scenic stratus]

yea i did notice it

[rare phoenix]

Maturing is realizing that Doom 3 is actually a good well made video game

[scenic stratus]

Yeah

[scenic stratus]

no really the first time i played it i deleted it even before completing the first level
bro now it feels like an excellently crafted game

Loses its luster about halfway in although this is the bfg port on consoles so not a fair judgement

I remember liking the original a lot though

[scenic stratus]

i really like that you gotta rely on flashlight and muzzle flash to know where enemies are
keeps the tension

Both being gone in the console ports

I still don’t get why muzzle flashes lighting up rooms is gone like c’mon

ye

the bfg edition has a flashlight battery life but it's too long so

Recharges almost instantly too

yea

The baby-fication of doom 3 and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

Bottom text

lol

Also

I hate the pistol sound effects

oh true

Sounds like someone’s scratching rubber it makes me cringe

also the machine gun sound it just doesn't fit the weapon

[scenic stratus]

true lol

Most of the weapons are pretty mid but the plasma gun is godly

the doom 2016 plasma rifle was inspired by this one wasn't it

Probably but it’s way worse

nah the heat blast is good

the base damage i would agree is pretty bad

That blue hue and noise it makes whenever reloading/firing is beautiful

yes

I also like the chainsaw even if I rarely use it

oh shi i forgot it even exists

It’s funny that humanity is still using 20th century chainsaws in over a century from now

true lmao

But the writers did explain why they were on Mars (shipping error)

Doom 3 goes out of its way to give almost everything contextual reasons to exist. Chainsaws, plasma rifles, rocket launchers, etc.

ye

[vernal crest]

well, even nowdays some companies use pretty outdated technology, so it's kind of believable

[honest lynx]

It's stated pretty often that alot of the tech in 3 are super raw prototypes

[slim willow]

The marine has the ability to walk on the Mars surface without a helmet

[livid wharf]

Oh yeah that never really made sense. I guess he can hold his breath impossibly well and is also somehow immune to ionizing radiation and also found a way to not freeze to death

[scenic stratus]

doom marine is a unit

[wraith pumice]

were there any moments in Doom 3 that actually made you guys get scared/unsettled?

[scenic stratus]

every fucking time when something pops out of a dark corner

[vernal crest]

actually, I was going through his sounds in Doom 3, and when he's getting damage from the lack of oxygen it does sound like he's wearing something (one of the sounds sounds more like a dog than a man)

[honest lynx]

Has a short sleeve shirt on too

[vernal crest]

well, DoomGuy also had a shirt in Classic Doom so, they both just don't care about cold ||the cold never bothered them anyway-||

[honest lynx]

But looks like Mars can either be 20 degrees Celsius or as low as minus 153

[livid wharf]

Also Mars’ surface gets hit with way more radiation than Earth’s

[honest lynx]

No atmosphere

[livid wharf]

Very little atmosphere but close enough to none

Critically Mars doesn’t have an ozone layer and the magnetic field from the core is much weaker due to the core being colder

[vernal crest]

ah yes the best melee weapon known to a space marine: the flashlight
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051217998771408967/1101612017133039717/Doom_3_Clips_-_Bonk_of_death.mp4

[livid wharf]

Beautiful chainsaw

[scenic stratus]

Only really the plasma gun and BFG iirc

And the plasma gun was already existing tech they just miniaturized the ammo cells

[scenic stratus]

I think it’s implied he puts one on when walking

Now where does he put that helmet in cutscenes? Idk

[scenic stratus]

Sergeant Kelly’s demise is pretty unsettling to me

We never see his transformation or exactly what happened to him

[honest lynx]

https://youtu.be/m2jFhnI209k

These videos are so great

[scenic stratus]

It’s left ambiguous how corrupted he was from the start as well so there’s room for conspiracy theories

[honest lynx]

The marines in general even the ones in base exposed to hell seemed to be resistant to the influences of hell compared to the other more weak minded workers on base. But it is stated that because he was here for a while his exposure was severe

[vernal crest]

well, the sounds he makes when low on oxygen do sound like he's wearing something (still can't get over the one that sounds more like a dog

[vernal crest]

wait where was it stated? if you remember

[honest lynx]

Audio logs. People that were on the base longer started having visions bad dreams and hearing voices. Marines had more rotation also why doom 3 marine isn't effected during the events because he just got there

I believe it's one of the medical bay logs

Or the mental holding bay after hell trips

[vernal crest]

oh, I was back to thinking about the "zombifying" process, well character in ROE have been on mars for a while too, but then again it was when hell's portals were closed

[livid wharf]

Doom 3 marine is also tougher and quicker than most. He wouldn’t have survived if he weren’t something special

[vernal crest]

||that's why he got replaced in ROE, he was too powerful ||

[honest lynx]

Well he had a mental breakdown at the end of the game. I'm pretty sure it was just because he was new arrival and had less exposure

[livid wharf]

I’m pretty sure there’s more to it. He fought through hundreds of demons single handed. Most people can’t do that

[vernal crest]

wait when was the mental breakdown? all I remember is him being anxious about the cyberdemon, and being pretty calm when Zulu was taking him away

[honest lynx]

It really isn't. When you go through the game again be sure to go through the logs. They explain why you're immune early on

[livid wharf]

He’s no Slayer, but he’s extremely badass nonetheless. I get that him being new is why he wasn’t turned

[vernal crest]

that also applies to Swann and Campbell, even if they've been there before

[honest lynx]

The marines find you sitting in a corner in the dark like you shit your pants

[vernal crest]

well, this was DoomGuy's case either

[honest lynx]

He's also good of heart. He shares the same reason for being there as doomguy

[livid wharf]

The new guy thing doesn’t explain him not getting gunned down when outnumbered and outgunned fight after fight.

[vernal crest]

mmmm he doesn't really look like that, plus it's suppost to be 16.11.2145. when he returns from hell, and late on 20.11.2145. when the fleet arrives. He did not look scared, he looked tired af

[honest lynx]

The 2 other heros you play as are the same.

[vernal crest]

because that's Doom

[honest lynx]

He looks like he has ptsd when they find him man

Got that 1000 yard stare

[livid wharf]

I’m not saying he’s supernatural, just much tougher and faster than a typical marine

[honest lynx]

Uac probably threw his ass into a mental hospital

[livid wharf]

I assumed he went into a coma or something tbh.

[vernal crest]

very true, but not like he was shitting himself, more like in the sense that he was tired, plus he had to spend days on mars isolated before the fleet arrived

[honest lynx]

Either way he was seriously going through something. I remember being super sad as a kid at that ending

Wanted him to have a parade or something

[vernal crest]

one theory I saw is that UAC accused him of killing everyone due to being schizo

[honest lynx]

There's no way he had a happy ending. They either covered it up or got rid of him

[vernal crest]

very true, dude deserved better

[vernal crest]

the other ending he could've gotten is being blackmailed into silence like the rest of the people in ROE did

[livid wharf]

I’d like to think that he got to live a reasonably normal life after a few months to recover. I assumed he just never talked about what happened for one reason or another

[vernal crest]

||plus he had to survive, so that he could beat the living shit out of ROEguy||

[honest lynx]

Roe guy is actually my main reason for thinking they killed the dude

[vernal crest]

eh, could've been just another team, plus they didn't exactly expect another invasion, let alone by one of their men being stupid

[scenic stratus]

UAC probably had him sign a non-disclosure agreement and let him live the rest of his life

[honest lynx]

Reminds me of aliens. You'd think if he was around they'd want to send him along. I mean if he did I guess roe guy would have vaporized him with the heart at intro lol

[vernal crest]

that's what I meant by "blackmailed", I'm just not sugarcoating it

[honest lynx]

Roe guy was a mistake either way

[vernal crest]

maybe it was Elizabeth's choice not to have him? She seems like a carrying person and if he's suffering from trauma, yeah it wouldn't be good to have him there

[honest lynx]

Doom 3 marine deserved his revenge against betruger

[vernal crest]

exactly

||there's a reason lot of my Doomtorious 3 clips are him being pissed||

[honest lynx]

It actually makes the ending of Roe so hollow

[vernal crest]

Well, that was more so because the lack of budget and time Nerve Software had

Also, I just realized something, TLMguy, they've been on mars for a while likely (although there was an email about some marines coming somewhere around early November, or October)

[honest lynx]

The marines have rotations off base

That's why they were least effected

Compared to sec

[vernal crest]

Mmmm I can't remember the exact details, but it was something like that. Granted, TLM does add the plothole of "Doom3Guy was the only survivor found"

[honest lynx]

That's why marines were fighting z Secs all Over

[livid wharf]

ROE did that

[honest lynx]

Hell In doom 3 is alot like radiation honestly

I like that comparison

[livid wharf]

ROE kind of made the whole Doom 3 story make less sense imo

[vernal crest]

At least we got Elizabeth McNeil

[honest lynx]

Hottie

[vernal crest]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lesbians-gif-13879235

[honest lynx]

I'd love to take her to the mess hall if you know what I mean

[vernal crest]

||Would do the same honestly-||

Plus, she has decent characteristics/character traits

[scenic stratus]

I don’t really get why ROE guy isn’t the doom marine

[vernal crest]

Why?

[scenic stratus]

Yeah

[vernal crest]

I did hear a few people who said that they liked that 3 had different protagonists, and good reasons. However I still strongly think that Doom Marine should've been the one to off Betruger after what he put him through.

||also, in the storyboard of THE MAKING OF DOOM 3 book Betruger calls him "soldier boy" which does piss off Marine||

[scenic stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/soldier-boy-soldier-boy-the-boys-soldier-boy-jensen-ackles-gif-26066732

[vernal crest]

Yeah marines in general do not appreciate being called soldiers

[livid wharf]

I don’t know why they made him a different character, but I don’t like that they did

[honest lynx]

Loved this cover hahah

[livid wharf]

If I ever get around to doing the Doom 3 campaign mod I keep talking and thinking about, I want to have it be a sequel to the base game and retcon RoE for the purposes of the mod.

[honest lynx]

Only campaign mod that is a must play is doom 3 phobos

[scenic stratus]

I haven’t played ROE so besides the character swap what about it doesn’t make sense

[livid wharf]

The whole “exactly one person survived this disaster that involved hundreds or thousands of people”

[scenic stratus]

Doom Marine just that badass

[livid wharf]

Also making a new relic that was never mentioned at all in the base game be the macguffin for the expansion’s story and also having it be a super weapon

[vernal crest]

Well, ROE did have the "shutting off life support" thing

[scenic stratus]

But yeah between the lost souls possessing most of the base at the beginning and then the ensuing hours of chaos with stronger and stronger demons entering through portals I’m not that surprised

[vernal crest]

ROE was made back when Expansions were thought of if a game was successful, so not everything's gonna line up

[livid wharf]

My thinking is that if it’s deadly enough that only one person survived, it doesn’t make sense that anyone survived at all. It also makes interacting with survivors in the base game kinda pointless

[vernal crest]

Who knows, maybe it was a distance thing. Granted I think the vaporizing of the team was done because you needed to play lone, but they could've just have the rest of the team crushed to death

[livid wharf]

It would be neat to start a campaign with a squad of buddies who get picked off by demons throughout the opening level. It would feel more organic and would also let the first level throw more heat at you than it could otherwise so you can have an exciting start without being too hard

[vernal crest]

Well, Doom was about a lonely man killing demons, and 3 does factor in the lonelyness when everyone but Doom Marine (and if you really wanna hammer it in, Betruger) is dead

[scenic stratus]

There was a section in the base game where you’re escorting a survivor

[vernal crest]

Mhm, poor scientist

[scenic stratus]

So it wasn’t 100% solo. Think a quick introduction with some comrades would work.

[livid wharf]

There’s also the escort bots

[scenic stratus]

Aka best boys

[vernal crest]

What I meant was, the feeling of lonelyness, because apart from those times, you're on your own

[livid wharf]

The escort bots use the same ai as the demons, just with the “Team: 1” tag instead of the “Team: 2” tag

I think having one level where you’re in a group who die off as you go would work.

[scenic stratus]

When I was finding images for my demon tierlist I found out that doom rpg had a demon robot

Like not even a cyborg just a straight up robot

[vernal crest]

Mhm, and they're assholes to Stan

"so I'm a bad guy but the demon is fine, that's just great!" - Stan Blazkowicz, actual quote

[livid wharf]

It’d be neat to have a Doom archdemon who isn’t cartoonishly evil and when you fight them at the end, they say something like, “you killed my people. Either I’ll avenge them or die alongside them!” before the boss fight starts

[scenic stratus]

I mean it’s hell

Don’t really care for the concept of having demons that aren’t completely reprehensible

[livid wharf]

It’s referred to as Hell but it isn’t literally the Abrahamic Hell. It’s a dimension comparable to Hell with a long history of invading planets for resources.

[scenic stratus]

It might not literally be hell in lore, but it was created as a reinterpretation of hell (specifically the one in divine comedy) with a Sci-Fi twist. It’s still a dimension of eternal torment and sin and I’d prefer it to be that way personally.

And also isn’t Davoth somewhat like you described? Ik the wiki says he did love his people.

[livid wharf]

Yeah to an extent he is. Pity Id didn’t do more with him

There’s also a demon known as the Wretch who helped the Slayer by making the Praetor suit for him.

[scenic stratus]

More archdemons would be awesome in a future game though. Could have each one be a boss fight with their own unique personalities, designs, realms, etc.

The Hell Priests don’t do it for me

[livid wharf]

Yeah in general I mostly want the big bads to have character that goes past “is evil and works with Hell”

[scenic stratus]

I’ve heard people say it’s meant to be the betrayer

Now this has got me brainstorming ideas for a next game

They could riff on the circles of hell idea and have doomslayer fight through increasingly more dangerous and demented realms in hell, with the demons lords becoming progressively more powerful until it’s revealed that there’s a insidious force directing them.

[livid wharf]

Betruger and Pierce are basically just villains who are evil just because. That’s not inherently bad but it feels weird how few bad guys with discernible motives and desires we’ve had

[scenic stratus]

Then you have some lovecraftian god you have to fight

[scenic stratus]

You can read in between the lines for Pierce and say that she’s working with hell not just for power but to relieve her suffering. She’s constantly in pain because of her cybernetics iirc. Not gone into detail much ofc.

I don’t care about Betruger being evil for the sake of evil because I love his performance and presentation.

[livid wharf]

There’s nothing wrong with pure evil villains but they generally need an actual character to go on. Betruger kinda has one. Doom 1, 2, and 64 have final bosses but not main antagonists exactly. 2016 has a character who has few lines and not much detail and another big bad who just shows up at the end. Eternal has the Khan Maykr and Davoth, who are alright but they’re kind of it in terms of villains with clear motives and character

[scenic stratus]

Agreed that they at least need personality and some memorable aspects

[honest lynx]

Olivia is just a bootleg version of betruger

[scenic stratus]

True she is very boring

Y’know I thought Tilda Swinton played her for ages

Until I looked it up and it was actually the RE2 remake Claire VA

[honest lynx]

Atleast betruger becomes a hell lord. Olivia is used and lied to and the body is just used as a vessel

[scenic stratus]

True Betruger got what he wanted at least

[honest lynx]

They promised him power through dreams and he got it In the end

[scenic stratus]

Now he’s a head on the tongue of a flying dragon

[livid wharf]

Success?????

[scenic stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-family-guy-peter-perhaps-peter-perhaps-gif-24813812

[honest lynx]

Just like the song lol

[vernal crest]

granted, Betruger doesn't seem to mind, he got what he wanted

[tender totem]

I hate doom 3 with a passion

[rose field]

skill issue

[vernal crest]

they're just being too silly

[scenic stratus]

i hate silly geese

[vernal crest]

here's instruction on what to do when you see silly gooses, be more silly
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061010804197032018/1101795341533188197/Supreme_Bonk_Power.mp4

[vernal crest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1034990635406610474/1101615541459894413/Doom_3_Clips_-_Pew.mp4

[spare onyx]

I'm Cumming so hard rn

[livid wharf]

Doom 3’s shotgun is kinda sad but the SSG in the expansions is beautiful and I wouldn’t change it

[honest lynx]

Modded pistol is probably my favorite weapon now

[vernal crest]

sad that there's not a cheat for SSG

[livid wharf]

I think in my hypothetical mod I’d rework the shotgun to be closer to the other games’ and probably buff a lot of the guns in general since I’d want to throw crazy groups of enemies at the player

[scenic stratus]

the shotgun really only needs range

[livid wharf]

Yeah but you’d need to nerf the damage some so it doesn’t break the game

[vernal crest]

I think it just needs to be more consistent

[scenic stratus]

this

[scenic stratus]

ye cuz one shot

[vernal crest]

I fail to kill an Imp up close with it but I successfully kill a commando

[scenic stratus]

yep

[honest lynx]

There's a mod for shotgun slugs and aiming which is neat

[vernal crest]

btw, apparently commando's are in lower class of enemies

[livid wharf]

I think it would also be neat to have something like Dusk’s hunting rifle (I want the 3rd act to go to Earth for at least a few levels) in my mod.

[honest lynx]

Scope for machine gun would be great

[livid wharf]

Honestly the machine gun being as accurate as it is already feels kinda weird and wrong to me

[scenic stratus]

it does look like it has one just cant ads into it

[livid wharf]

I’d rather balance it around having a little bit of spread (not much at all)

[honest lynx]

I've seen a mod for one I think.. perfected doom 3 ? Don't remember but it was alot like the heavy can

[scenic stratus]

pb?

[honest lynx]

It's still auto fire but let's you get great headshots for z sec. Great for nightmare

[scenic stratus]

oh nice

[livid wharf]

I think it’d be good for the machine gun be nimble with a spread of 1 or so and a bit higher damage and buff the chaingun fire rate like crazy so it has really high damage but burns through ammo very quickly

[honest lynx]

Modded chaingun has that

https://youtube.com/shorts/HqSEtQiUQ-o?feature=share

[scenic stratus]

the ultrakill chaingun lol

[honest lynx]

Actually feels like a chaingun

[scenic stratus]

yes i love that sound

[honest lynx]

This mod lowers ammo also

Weapons are better but less ammo

[scenic stratus]

oh shi yea this game gives you infinite ammo

well not actually infinite but you never run out

[vernal crest]

that looks fun actually

plus, I did have to fight this fanmade boss and the chaingun not firing immediately made it difficult to time it

[livid wharf]

I want my mod to have a lot of “you enter the big room and instead of having 2 Hell Knights or whatever jump out, you’re beset with 3 maggots, 2 imps and a revenant all at once” type encounters and balance the weapons, armor, and player speed around that kind of madness

[scenic stratus]

I gave up on my Xbox playthrough the cumbersome weapon swapping and BFG downgrades got to me

Will play again once I get a new pc though

[viral briar]

Eternal style chaingun

[honest lynx]

It's how a chaingun should be

Alt fire also let's toy spin the barrels for faster Fire

[wraith pumice]

the plasma gun is just awesome

great sound effects and it’s great at killing like anything

the reload animation and sound never get old

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=81jPcfZQJKw&pp=ygUVZG9vbSAzIHZhbmlsbGEgdnMgYmZn

I’m pretty sure audio is lower quality in the BFG Edition

another reason why og is superior

[ruby harbor]

I'm playing through doom 3 for the first time right now

I can't imagine this game with a shoulder mounted flashlight

The game gives me constant anxiety because it's so dark and I'm forced to use the flashlight and be vulnerable or be armed and blind

That makes it kinda fun though like whack a mole

[scenic stratus]

this is why i love doom 3

[ruby harbor]

[vernal crest]

tho ngl, the flashlight is also a powerful weapon

[scenic stratus]

the bfg edition is a step down from the original sadly

[scenic stratus]

lol true

[ruby harbor]

I mean I can whack zomboes with it twice and they take a nap

And if it's not a zombie I have to scramble 😭

[vernal crest]

you can bonk every demon if you're skilled enough (as shown here), coming from someone that's terrible at melee fighting in Doom

[wraith pumice]

a sentiment that many people share is that id tried to make the BFG Edition more action-packed

I sorta see it

[vernal crest]

apart from things being brigher than even the Classic Doom and Doom Marine being faster, it did not do it's job

a similar case apparently happened with the Quake Live

[rose field]

the complaints with ql get insane sometimes

according to some, the weapon nerfs and changes made it rely more on mechanical skill

[honest lynx]

Pm_walkspeed 250 for actual faster experience with weapons of mars destruction

[wraith pumice]

isn't that game literally Quake 3 but censored

[vernal crest]

mhm, well, I'm pretty sure it is. I asked in another server if I should get Quake 3 or Quake Live and everyone told me how Live cuts some gore out, doesn't have proper modding ext. And I joked about it being the BFG Edition 2.0

[wraith pumice]

eh

Doom 3 BFG Edition and Half-Life Source, so-called ''remasters'' of classics that are worse than the originals

at least the BFG Edition isn't a broken mess

unlike HLS

[vernal crest]

oh wow

[wraith pumice]

at least Lost Mission is pretty damn awesome though

I have lots of fun playing it

probably my favourite of the 3 campaigns

[honest lynx]

Og lost missions is superior also haha

[rose field]

no

weapon changes + slight movement differences

[wraith pumice]

ah

I have the og xbox port of Doom 3 on my 360

I think I played it for a bit but stopped

[vernal crest]

oh Betruger's dialogue in TMOD3 book....
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051217998771408967/1098226534738841610/Screenshot_2023_04_19-10.png

[scenic stratus]

And failed miserably

[wraith pumice]

yeah, all they did was making the game easier

[scenic stratus]

Just increasing ammo and giving us a strapped on flashlight isn’t going to improve action in a game designed around slower paced setpieces

[wraith pumice]

if it had things like more demons to fight, it would have been better

[scenic stratus]

Especially when they actually remove some enemy spawns lol

[wraith pumice]

og Doom 3 is already fast-paced imo

you can play it like it's Classic Doom

[scenic stratus]

Idk why they felt the need to make it so much easier when the game was already not that hard

[wraith pumice]

the fact that the game is easy is one of the reasons why it fails at the horror stuff imo

if the demons were both terrifying and actually a threat, it would be awesome

[scenic stratus]

Yeah it isn’t silent hill or anything but it’s not nearly as chaotic as the other games and has more downtime

[wraith pumice]

the BFG Edition just screams designed for consoles

[scenic stratus]

It basically was but the people designing it were idiots

At least Bethesda had the sense to keep the original version up on steam

[wraith pumice]

it should have been just the og Doom 3 directly ported with the expansions included and that's it

[scenic stratus]

I wouldn’t mind if things like the strapped on flashlight were optional features for those who preferred it

[wraith pumice]

that's the problem

[scenic stratus]

But messing with ammo pickups, enemy spawns, the graphics, etc is a no no

[wraith pumice]

things like the new lighting and armor mounted flashlight should have been options

[scenic stratus]

Another thing that annoys the hell out of me is how it handles auto saves

Why does it pause the game for so long?

[wraith pumice]

consoles perhaps

it's near instant on pc

[vernal crest]

when the game from 2004 quicksaves quicker than its re-release in 2012

[wraith pumice]

I feel like people saying the BFG Edition is designed to be faster-paced say that because they played Lost Mission

the default fov is too shit. it looks like the game is zoomed in all the time

even worse, you can't change it on consoles

[livid wharf]

Maybe I’m weird but the FOV has never really bothered me

[honest lynx]

You are weird weirdo. Jk

[scenic stratus]

You can adjust fov but only up to 100 iirc

[wraith pumice]

yeah

you can only do it on pc though, not on consoles sadly

[scenic stratus]

And it causes a graphical bug with the shotgun

[wraith pumice]

the hell

really?

[scenic stratus]

Im on consoles and could do it

[wraith pumice]

weird

I swear it isn't on xbox 360

[scenic stratus]

The back end of the shotgun clips through the player I think

[livid wharf]

Wait people play with FOV past 100? How does that not make you nauseous?

[scenic stratus]

I prefer 100-110 but anything above is a bit much personally

[honest lynx]

It looks like fish goggle ass but some people like it. 90 to 100 is my sweet spot

[wraith pumice]

I tried to play Eternal with the max amount of fov and I felt like I was having a seizure

like really

[livid wharf]

90 is about as high as I can go before I start feeling physically sick playing an FPS

[scenic stratus]

They prob made some adjustments for the Xbox one version

[wraith pumice]

yeah

[scenic stratus]

Since it’s not officially the BFG edition it’s just based on it

[wraith pumice]

the 2019 version is the BFG Edition but even worse. no classic Doom games, no console and no multiplayer mode

the BFG Edition was actually the first time I played Doom II's awesome NRFTL expansion

[scenic stratus]

Besides the censoring of the Wolfenstein secret levels the bfg versions of Doom 1/2 weren’t bad right?

[wraith pumice]

I'd say they are fine if you want to play a vanilla-accurate version of the game

there's also things like pills on medkits, no cheat codes, no fast monsters on nightmare and randomized sound pitches

[livid wharf]

The pill thing is for legal reasons IIRC

[wraith pumice]

yeah

[scenic stratus]

I think the modern ports just color it green

[livid wharf]

Yup

[wraith pumice]

the cross is green, yeah

the BFG Edition version of Classic Doom is pretty much just the xbox 360 version ported back to pc

[livid wharf]

The Red Cross doesn’t like people using their symbol so games often have to change it out for a different symbol

[wraith pumice]

the super shotgun sounds in BFG Doom II

it's lower pitched and weird

[vernal crest]

welp, now I have to try it

[wraith pumice]

I don't see the problem with randomized sound pitches

in fact, I like that kind of feature in games

[honest lynx]

Plus third person view

[vernal crest]

I do know only a few commands for it, don't know all of them yet

[oak prism]

Something interesting to note about Doom 3 BFG Edition is that if you put the disc for the Xbox 360 version of the game in an Xbox One (with an optical drive) or Series X console, you will also get the delisted Doom 1 and 2 Xbox 360 ports installed too

For Doom 2, it's basically the original IWAD with the red cross replaced with pills, no modified Wolfenstein levels

[oak prism]

I think that is easily possible with some source ports of Doom 3, both the original and BFG Edition. Though having a high FOV in Doom 3 doesn't mean too much given the level design mainly consist of tight hallways

[livid wharf]

If Doom 3 had done significantly more big fights and didn’t rely so much on corridor shooting it would probably be my favorite Doom

[wraith pumice]

I heard that if you use a mod that makes corpses stay, then the Cyberdemon fight will be unwinnable because the fodder demons won't respawn

[honest lynx]

There's mods to make it a actual fight also so that can cancel that out

[wraith pumice]

I think the first time I saw Doom 3 was when my dad was playing it

it was the first Doom game I ever saw

[scenic stratus]

what the hell W dad

[lavish forum]

My stepbrother bought me doom eternal and things just went downhill from there

[wraith pumice]

lol

but yeah, I bought the game alongside Classic Doom games back in 2019

og version, of course

[scenic stratus]

that is epic

[wraith pumice]

I enjoyed it a lot, even though it's not like the classics

[scenic stratus]

true

i love the one shot shotgun so much man
even tho its inconsitent as shit

and the god eargasmic plasma rifle

[wraith pumice]

I don't quite get what you mean

[scenic stratus]

he is an awesome dad

[wraith pumice]

lol

[scenic stratus]

ah quite rare to see boomers play fun games like these

[wraith pumice]

it feels really satisfying when it instagibs zombies

[scenic stratus]

yes

at point blank

[wraith pumice]

not like it really matters since most of the combat takes place in close quarters

[scenic stratus]

true

[lavish forum]

After you play some of the og games, you start to see so many references and mechanics in other games that relate to doom

[vernal crest]

makes me wish specific someone I knew didn't care so much about graphics so much, otherwise I might've grown up with Classic Doom (tho I'm grateful to have been introduced to L4D)

[scenic stratus]

ahh

realism sucks

[warm tide]

𝔽𝕣

[vernal crest]

mhm, actually I do sometimes feel that modern Doom is more realistic, I mean the premise of angry demi-god vs hell seems ironically more realistic than buff-ass regular person vs hell

[scenic stratus]

Don’t know why so many people are hung up on realism in their media

[vernal crest]

same

if you want realism, go outside

I want to shoot guns and fight against demons, or be a vampire in a strange town controlled by a mutant

[scenic stratus]

It’s like they’re scared of experiencing joy and childlike wonder

[vernal crest]

so they have a mindset of "movie critics" who give shit like Disney remakes a high rating, while giving quality animated stuff a low rating

[honest lynx]

Shit looked real to me in 2004 lol

[vernal crest]

I do know that stuff from 90's and early 2000's looked realistic to a lot of people

[acoustic acorn]

it's such nonsense. The red cross being used in games is helpful to people associating the symbol to medical stuff. It's not like you're putting it on your car and someone might think that you're a medic because yaknow...games do not take place in real life where the confusion is a big deal

[livid wharf]

Unfortunately copyright law and such don’t really care. Not sure if it’s copyright or trademark but it’s one of the 2

[acoustic acorn]

It's neither. It's a Geneva thing. I doubt that they'd really come after you though. It's just usually respected. I couldn't find any cases where they actually bothered suing. I guess there's a distinction where green cross is general health stuff and red cross is a specific organization though so I get the reason why it can be ambiguous

[livid wharf]

What I got from a search was copyright related. Misusing it in a warzone goes against international rules of engagement though

[acoustic acorn]

doom is a warzone 😎

[viral briar]

Not only that but the rule also extends to any other media. One character in My Little Pony who is a nurse had to have their cutie mark/symbol altered due to its inclusion of a red cross.

Aside from re-releases of DOOM it seems like that older games are unaffected however. Half-Life and Left 4 Dead continued to have red crosses, for example.

[vernal crest]

well I've brought Doom 1 and 2 from Steam, and playing the non-DOS version makes them green crosses

[wraith pumice]

metus, dolor, mors ac formidonis

[vernal crest]

• Gert, 15.11.2145.

[honest lynx]

Truth

[carmine thicket]

Which version of Doom 3 would you guys consider to be the best one?

I got like 3 different versions of Doom 3 on Steam as part of the Doom franchise bundle and I don't know which one to choose

[honest lynx]

Og

[scenic stratus]

Original

BFG sucks

[carmine thicket]

alright I'm installing the OG version

Thanks for y'alls input

Oh, and what about Resurrection of Evil?

Do I install that too?

[scenic stratus]

Absolutely

[wraith pumice]

I think Resurrection Of Evil is even better than the base game

it’s faster, the new enemies and weapons are cool and it got some new tricks too

[livid wharf]

Oh definitely. I think the base game has a significantly better story, but RoE has a faster pace and the SSG is beautiful

[scenic stratus]

agree

actually gonna play that in a bit

[ruby harbor]

I gotta say the doom 3 shotgun is so satisfying to use

I mean the effective range is laughable but the really chunky industrial sound it makes when you cycle shells and the boom and then seeing the foul creatures turn to ash is very fun

[scenic stratus]

bro gets it
my man

[ruby harbor]

I mean the game is a little slower and doom marine can sprint so that kinda makes up for the melee range

[scenic stratus]

the gibs

yep

[ruby harbor]

Just wait for them to throw fireballs and then sprint at their face and go boom boom

[scenic stratus]

[vernal crest]

You can kill a Cacodemon with one shotgun shot and two pistol shots

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1034990635406610474/1101615541459894413/Doom_3_Clips_-_Pew.mp4

Or one flashlight, if it's close enough

[wraith pumice]

the Cherubs feel like they are designed by a psychopath

seriously, human babies with insect lower half, arms and wings

[livid wharf]

Yup.

They’re perfect low tier enemies

[wraith pumice]

yeah, they are fun to fight

Wraiths are my favourite new demon. they look cool and have a cool teleporting ability

[scenic stratus]

Proto prowlers

[wraith pumice]

Prowler is Nightmare Imp and Wraith combined

[vernal crest]

we need more of it

[wraith pumice]

Lost Mission is my favourite of all 3 campaigns

it's very fast, focuses on action more and its hell levels are perfect

in fact, to me, Lost Mission has the best version of hell in any Doom game

[scenic stratus]

i like roe more but i agree with the hell levels being great

[wraith pumice]

sad that the final boss is just a downgraded version of the Guardian from the base game though

[scenic stratus]

ye oof

[wraith pumice]

Lost Mission is like the Blue Shift of Doom 3

and Resurrection Of Evil is the Opposing Force of the game

Lost Mission has that unused crawling Imp variant

[wraith pumice]

ROE was butchered so bad in the BFG Edition

they went as far as ruining setpieces and removing an entire area

not to mention the boss fights seem to end randomly

[scenic stratus]

oof

[wraith pumice]

the hazmat mechanic was removed entirely. something unique got turned into something that is the same as the rest of the game

all the unique arcade cabinets were replaced with Super Turbo Turkey Puncher 3

[scenic stratus]

lol

[wraith pumice]

even better: getting the high score required for that email has the date of the original game

[scenic stratus]

Why would they do that

WHY

[wraith pumice]

cater to console players perhaps

[scenic stratus]

console ruins everything i stg

It isn’t even the consoles fault it’s just the devs/publishers being idiots

eeeeee

[wraith pumice]

at least the base Doom 3 campaign is fine, but ROE got absolutely ruined

[scenic stratus]

its for cheap so thats good can buy the original dlc

[wraith pumice]

Doom 3 on the og xbox was ruined less

in fact, the changes are because of limitations, not design choices

there might be an alternate universe where the BFG Edition is just the base game and ROE directly ported to consoles

the only improvement I can think of is being able to play the game at 120 fps

[vernal crest]

and I guess the player being faster, but you can always change that with cheats

[wraith pumice]

every other aspect that got changed makes the game even more easier than the og version is

virtually unlimited ammo, brighter environments and an armor-mounted flashlight

it's the I'm Too Young To Die version of the game

[scenic stratus]

ye man the ammo

640 ammo for the shotgun

dude has minecraft inventory

[vernal crest]

Doom Marine is actually related to Alex, she's his aunt

[scenic stratus]

lmaooo

[vernal crest]

canon Boom 3 lore ||jkjk||

[scenic stratus]

lololol

[wraith pumice]

ah yes

Boom 3

[scenic stratus]

BOOM

renamw this series now

[wraith pumice]

prBoom+

[vernal crest]

explosives go boom, if you throw 3 grenades that's three boom's

[scenic stratus]

Doom is temporary
BOOM IS ETERNAL

[wraith pumice]

Boom 2016

2016 grenades exploding at once

[scenic stratus]

Boom 2: Bell on Earth

[vernal crest]

but if you throw 2016 grenades....

[vernal crest]

Doom 2 but instead of hell invaliding they're just bringing big bells

[scenic stratus]

yes

Doom but my right strafe key is missing

[vernal crest]

Doom but instead of demons supernatural creatures start making a town

[scenic stratus]

if you think about it
we humans have more fov than any video game

180 deg horizontal vision

[vernal crest]

imagine if we had 10 eyes then

[scenic stratus]

lol 1080 vision

[vernal crest]

that would be trippy as hell (pun not intended)

[scenic stratus]

lol

[wraith pumice]

it would have been cool if that door monster (Gert) was an actual enemy, not just a map prop

perhaps it would have been the Baron of the game

[scenic stratus]

The hell knight is the Baron of the game

[honest lynx]

All hail gert

[wraith pumice]

still, perhaps it would be cool

even though it's called Hell Knight, it's just as strong as the classic Baron

[scenic stratus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI8E2udHCb8&pp=ygUNZG9vbSAzIG5vIGhpdA%3D%3D

ok bruh why is no hitting this game feel kinda easy

the power of knowing enemy spawns

[wraith pumice]

bro it's nightmare difficulty

getting instakilled is easy

[scenic stratus]

still this guy nailed it

maybe he played like a million times to know where all enemies are

[wraith pumice]

I can remember the first appearance of like every demon in the game

[honest lynx]

Aw damn had me hyped for a second. Segmented fuck

[scenic stratus]

I mean there’s barely any demons in comparison to other games so it’s not that hard

[honest lynx]

A actual nightmare run is the hardest in any doom game by a mile. Still hasn't been done before

[scenic stratus]

No I’m referring to memorizing spawns

[honest lynx]

Ahh true true

[scenic stratus]

Haven’t played nightmare prob never will

[wraith pumice]

dude plays the game like it's Classic Doom

[honest lynx]

It's okay after you get passed the z sec heavy intro levels

[scenic stratus]

2 hours of enemy spawn memorization, that's really impressive but i guess it's not that hard to memorize

[wraith pumice]

I only played nightmare once and it was in the BFG Edition just so I can get an achievement

[honest lynx]

I'll most likely do a proper UN run with this mod I found that makes armor actually work. I feel that will be a ton of fun

[scenic stratus]

Yeah armor is terrible lmao

[honest lynx]

Literally paper

[wraith pumice]

most useless armor in any fps I ever played

it's at least actually useful in the og xbox port

[honest lynx]

Nope

[scenic stratus]

Side tangent but whenever I see people say that Doom 3 was trying to be action and survival horror at the same time and that’s why it was bad they are fucking wrong lol

[wraith pumice]

I don't really see Doom 3 as a survival horror game

since it's not like the demons are threatening and ammo is rare to find

[scenic stratus]

Don’t know why people think anything that tries to be remotely scary and atmospheric is survival horror

Doom 3 never tries to be that

It’s a linear game, there’s very little backtracking, ammo is plentiful, you’re encouraged to kill all the demons in your path.

It doesn’t have a identity crisis it knows what it wants to be

[wraith pumice]

Doom 3 is an action game first, the horror stuff is a secondary element

and most of the ''scary'' stuff is things like jumpscares, one of the cheapest ways to scare in horror media

[scenic stratus]

i shit my pants to exploding valves

Well, that’s only part of the horror. A lot of the really interesting and unsettling stuff is in the PDA’s

Doom 3 is all about giving context to the setting including the horror. It was dead space before dead space.

[wraith pumice]

really though, jumpscares are some of the cheapest ways to keep someone on the edge

sudden loud sounds, it's so bad

[scenic stratus]

Jumpscares can work in games with more tension and stakes but in doom 3 they’re usually just annoyances

Since you’ll just kick the demons ass anyways

But I don’t really hate jumpscares like some do. Sudden noises and surprises can add to the atmosphere.

[honest lynx]

Sad Andy https://imgur.com/a/QDW85QJ

When I asked John Romero lol..

[wraith pumice]

geez

Romero really considers Doom 3 a survival horror game

action horror is the better way to describe it

[scenic stratus]

Wait you have Romero’s number?

[honest lynx]

I have his email insta and home address... that's all hahahah👁️

[scenic stratus]

[honest lynx]

I bought the sigil beast box directly from him on ebay and just started messaging a bit and in general he's very good at replying to fans if you have a question

[wraith pumice]

I like it when creators of media are like this

[scenic stratus]

bro thats cool

he is such a chill dude

[honest lynx]

So damn chill

Just a nice guy in general

[scenic stratus]

ye

[vernal crest]

a lot of these people don't seem to know what survival horror is

[scenic stratus]

Doesn’t show in his games

E4M2…

[honest lynx]

You should see e5m9 on uv plus fast...

[scenic stratus]

lol

[viral briar]

May I share that pic to my IG?

[honest lynx]

No problem!

He's responding to the pic where he looks like he's mad having to sign a copy of doom 3 by the way

[viral briar]

Yup I know that pic!

[ruby harbor]

Apparently I was supposed to look online for the martian buddy codes :/

[honest lynx]

They're pinned here

[ruby harbor]

I missed out on the chaingun 😭

[viral briar]

The BFG edition gives them in-game so I assume you're playing on the good old 2004 release.

[vernal crest]

him saying that is also pinned here, a video of it that is

[ruby harbor]

Yea I don't want no shoulder mounted flashlight >:(

And I want my muzzle flash

[scenic stratus]

the longer i play this game the more favorite it becomes

[vernal crest]

and to bonk the demons to death

[ruby harbor]

and a chaingun that isnt slow

[vernal crest]

so true

[wraith pumice]

the flashlight is useful against Zombies, that's for sure

not only it helps to save ammo, but it kills them in like just 2 hits

it also seems to be made of strong material, since no matter how much you hit things with it, it never gets broken

[vernal crest]

must've been made by the company that made Nokia

[wraith pumice]

having to change between being able to see and attacking enemies may annoy people, and I can understand that

however, that's also the intended Doom 3 experience

being able to see and shoot at the same time totally ruins the whole point of the game

there's a whole section in the alpha labs where you have to escort a scientist and his light helps you to see, but since in the BFG Edition you have an armor-mounted flashlight, you don't need him at all

[vernal crest]

not to mention that most enemies have some sort of light to them, from zombies and revenants eyes glowing, to imp's and hellknights fireballs

[wraith pumice]

the BFG Edition is called the “ultimate collection” of Doom games, and it would have been if literally all of the games weren’t changed for the worse

I only bought it just so I can have a complete Doom games collection

[vernal crest]

I forgot, but does the BFG Edition have that extra episode from Doom 2?

[wraith pumice]

yes

No Rest For The Living

it’s awesome

[honest lynx]

If you like classic and doom 3 I highly recommend the mod classic doom 3

[vernal crest]

played it, it's pretty fun, although kinda hard to believe that the person who made the animations on it also made animations for the Zombie Slayer mod, since CD3 seems to be better animated than ZS

[wraith pumice]

using the dhewm3 source port is the definitive way to play the game

it has proper widescreen, so no more stretched hud

[wraith pumice]

the ''crouching Imp hiding behind a door and leaping as the player opens it'' thing is so common and lazy that it's annoying

sometimes avoiding getting hit by them is literally impossible

[scenic stratus]

Yeah it’s very cheap

You basically have to memorize where they’ll be to have a chance at avoiding them

[livid wharf]

I don’t generally mind jumpscares, but Doom 3’s rarely feel earned or meaningful so it just gets annoying

[vernal crest]

true, well at least there's moments where if you shine you light at them, they will realize that you saw through their shit and start attacking

[gentle blade]

Is Doom 3 worth playing?

[maiden iron]

If you're fine with the increased focus on horror, and decreased focus on fast, headbanging gameplay, Doom 3 should be just right

[honest lynx]

Absolutely

[ruby harbor]

does anything happen if you turn off those computers?

[livid wharf]

Doom 3 just needed more fights and more guys per fight imo. Not for difficulty, just so you have less dead air and fights have more room for variety with more guys running around

Turning off the computers does nothing AFAIK

[ruby harbor]

theres those computers that say like power loss back up your files or something and i turn all of them off

[livid wharf]

Yeah I do too but I don’t know of any real reason to do that. I just do it because it seems like a considerate thing to do for whoever has to clean up

[ruby harbor]

I like the way you interact with computers in doom3 its so cool and ive never seen anything done like this before

it feels very organic like youre actually interacting with it instead of just throwing up a computer screen that covers everything and you just move your mouse like normal

[livid wharf]

Yup

[ruby harbor]

kinda like elite dangerous where the ui IS the game and you are interacting with it and its not just a separate element

[maiden iron]

Like Dead Space

[ruby harbor]

I won't lie though the crane game was kind of annoying

Cause I had to y'know look down

But the crane is up there and also my perception of distance

So I missed the barrels a couple of times

[honest lynx]

The crane game is ass. All doom 3 fans will agree

[livid wharf]

Yeah screw that part

Lowering the crane partway makes judging it a bit easier if that helps

[honest lynx]

That section would have been a great time to introduce a rad suit fight

[scenic stratus]

I think the game tends to just spawn one enemy type at you instead of mixing it up

With some exceptions. Combat could’ve used more variety.

[livid wharf]

Yeah that doesn’t help either. The lack of crowd control in general is very sad

[scenic stratus]

Sometimes there’s a few zombies spawned with some imps, or cacodemons with lost souls, and I know commandos intermix with z-sec quite a lot but not a lot of diversity

I know the game can’t and doesn’t want to be as hectic as previous games but requiring the player to multitask a bit more would’ve been nice

[livid prism]

Can you use cheat codes for this on the playstation? PS5 to be exact?

[supple gull]

To make matters worse, a Z-Sec spawns behind you if you take too long

[scenic stratus]

if i wanted a crane game id just go to the arcade

[ruby harbor]

Doom 3 ambiance is so relaxing 😌

It feels sinister like a constant state of dread makes me wanna fall asleep

[wraith pumice]

I wish the demons were actual threats. literally all of them are very easy to kill

the game's horror side would have worked better if they were actually dangerous

not even strong enemies like Arch-Viles and Hell Knights are much of a threat

[honest lynx]

https://youtu.be/OQAd-HHdf1c

@ruby harbor oh ya!

[scenic stratus]

playing doom 3 on 1400x1050 is somethin

something about 4:3 that I really love

[vernal crest]

also gotta love that Z-Sec awkwardly walking around

[honest lynx]

If there was a doom 3 10 hour background music on youtube I'd definitely listen to that to fall asleep

[vernal crest]

well, there's one that's about 3 hours long, it's something

[honest lynx]

Usually takes me like an hour to pass out so that might work

[scenic stratus]

Doom 3 ambience more like fall asleep ambience

[vernal crest]

it's hell's way of getting your guard down

granted, there's s difference between listening to ambience, and listening to ambience while being on mars and stopping fuckin' hell itself while being death threatened

[scenic stratus]

huge diff

[wraith pumice]

I would like playing some arena-style maps

fighting hordes of monsters in Doom 3 would be cool

[wraith pumice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_NEMwpo2YM

[scenic stratus]

try playing doom 3 with doom eternal music

[honest lynx]

I've done it with 2016

https://youtu.be/N6xdqyuFn8s

[scenic stratus]

haha chad

when doom music kick, horror become action

also is that the perfected doom 3 mod

i see ads and better gun sounds

[honest lynx]

It's a mod I use often and I really enjoy called weapons of mars destruction

[scenic stratus]

icic

[subtle sparrow]

at least zombies are more diverse than ones in DoomE/2016

[scenic stratus]

Visually yeah

[honest lynx]

Doom eternal has 41 different types of demons

Although dlc recycling isn't cool lol

[supple gull]

Yeah, there's the fast zombie, fat zombie, Bernie, boney zombie, and sawyer. Oh, and the one time morgue zombie. And the regular zombie has a variety of models.

In 2016, the only variety the standard zombies had were Possessed Scientist, the Possessed Worker (which had only one arm making its attack slower), and the Unwilling (who are statistically the exact same as civilian Possessed). Then the Possessed Engineer (who was actually a nice touch).

[honest lynx]

More zombie variety is definitely a must

[scenic stratus]

ok why the fuck this crane game took me like 5 whole minutes

[subtle sparrow]

I find bit disappointing that no one tried to speedrun in Doom3 super turbo turkey puncher

[scenic stratus]

Eternal does have 2 cultist zombie types, mecha zombies, unwilling, and cue balls

So not terrible but the earth zombies could use some more variety

[subtle sparrow]

my dissatisfaction is that they looks like they all have kinda same size like when you meet a group of them they look like clone zombies. but not a big deal of course. still one of many details

[livid wharf]

I kinda hate that there are headless zombies. That is against the rules

[scenic stratus]

It’s funny

[thorn cosmos]

It's magic

Or something

[supple gull]

Possessed by spirits

[livid wharf]

Come to think of it, what even are the zombie rules in Doom? It’s clearly not quite the “kill the brain to kill the zombie” rule of classic zombie movies, so how does it work?

Specifically in regards to what does and doesn’t kill them

[thorn cosmos]

shoot it until it dies

[scenic stratus]

I’m assuming it’s like dead space where you just shoot it until the body can no longer move at all

So it’s completely immobile

[wraith schooner]

"zombies" in doom are possessed humans, so no functioning body, no possession

[scenic stratus]

Mhm

[viscid tinsel]

This game hard

[livid wharf]

What difficulty mode?

[viral briar]

Has anyone ever ported the PSVR weapon sounds to standard DOOM 3?

[scenic stratus]

shouldnt be hard unless youre playing nm

[viscid tinsel]

Marine.

[wraith pumice]

first time I heard someone saying Doom 3 is hard

generally, most people say it’s easy

[viscid tinsel]

Resource management, and spawning behind you etc makes it hard for me.

[wraith pumice]

understandable

[scenic stratus]

bro you get 600 ammo wdym resource management

[wraith pumice]

meanwhile I found the game to be too easy even on my first playthrough

[scenic stratus]

the spawning behind i get

[wraith pumice]

and it was on veteran

[viscid tinsel]

You mean shotgun? 8 shots and then you have to swap

[viscid tinsel]

I guess I lack close quarters strategy

[wraith pumice]

maybe

it’s pretty much impossible to run out of ammo for most of the weapons in this game lol

and no, it’s not just the BFG Edition. ammo is plentiful in the og version already

[scenic stratus]

ye reloading is another thing but you really get a lot of ammo like youll never run out

[viscid tinsel]

No I’m out of all but pistol and shotgun and I have a few grenades. Rifle, Chaingun, and plasma I’m living restock to restock

[wraith pumice]

chaingun and plasma gun I understand

but there’s a lot of ammo for the machine gun

[scenic stratus]

wait dont chaingun and machine gun use same ammo

[viscid tinsel]

Wait do they? I just picked this up after 4 months break

[viscid tinsel]

That’s not super helpful now that I’m encountering revenants and pinkies

[scenic stratus]

i really cant remember but ig

i never pay attention to ammo lol

[wraith pumice]

they don’t

[viscid tinsel]

Idk y this is so hard for me then.

[scenic stratus]

there are codes for all the lockers in the game online that provide ammo and guns so you can use them for extra ammo

[viscid tinsel]

I unlocked the ones I found earlier on. Haven’t seen any tonight

[scenic stratus]

what mission are you in

[viscid tinsel]

I don’t remember. Still in the facility. Just had a cutscene where a revenant shoots at me and hits a pillar

[scenic stratus]

oh right

there are a lot of plasma cells in those lockers

and there is also a rocket launcher in one of those iirc

[viscid tinsel]

Maybe I just didn’t explore enough. I don’t like the exploring. I want to kill demons. But these ones play cheap.

[wraith pumice]

it definitely is worth it though

you get more ammo and sometimes even weapons

you can just google the codes

[scenic stratus]

do it for the sake of more stuff and not exploring

[viscid tinsel]

Yeah it’s just not fun. That’s why I’ve been putting off finishing this game; feels boring

[scenic stratus]

the main campaign looks very borey and samey yea
you should try playing the dlcs

the only fun is during hell levels

[viscid tinsel]

Doesn’t campaign eventually take me to hell and get funner?

[scenic stratus]

yes but only at the very end

[wraith pumice]

it’s a shame honestly

[viscid tinsel]

So I should abandon campaign?

[wraith pumice]

Hell looks very cool yet you only visit it once

[scenic stratus]

if you want some more interesting gameplay the yoù should really jump on the dlc

resurrection of evil

[viscid tinsel]

How

[scenic stratus]

do you have the bfg edition

[wraith pumice]

ROE is faster, has more enemy and weapon variety and some cool new ideas

[scenic stratus]

and has the best weapon

[viscid tinsel]

Doesn’t look like it. Let me check game pass

[scenic stratus]

bruh oh my god

[scenic stratus]

i think gamepass only has the original doom 3 and not bfg edition

[wraith pumice]

the super shotgun

[scenic stratus]

yes

[wraith pumice]

it’s so amazing. it has a powerful firing sound, good reload animation and it can kill a lot of the enemies in the game easily

[scenic stratus]

my my i love it

[viscid tinsel]

It has the 360 BFG division which is weird

[scenic stratus]

360 what

[wraith pumice]

xbox 360

[scenic stratus]

oh youre playing on xbox?

ic ic

[viscid tinsel]

That’s what Gamepass means

[scenic stratus]

you can also play the game on pc with gamepass

[viscid tinsel]

Oh I guess some people use PC

[scenic stratus]

but idk about 360

[viscid tinsel]

Xbox Gamepass has some Xbox 360 games

[scenic stratus]

then you should be able to load a new game and select one of the dlcs

i actually dont know what the 360 version of bfg edition is but it must have the dlcs

[viscid tinsel]

Any reason to do this instead of just going back to Eternal though? I wanted to do the campaign just for completion sake but it’s boring. I didn’t like the first two either

[scenic stratus]

well doom 3 isnt really most people's favorite so its upto you really

[viscid tinsel]

I’m usually a completion guy, finish what I start etc but that made life painful on Hollow Knight

[scenic stratus]

hollow knight is uhh

[viscid tinsel]

What?

[scenic stratus]

well i dont like platformers much but i guess it was cool
still very long and i never could make my way around the map

i reached like the spider boss iirc

[viscid tinsel]

I actually quit it because I couldn’t even find the first boss. Then someone told me what to do and I got hooked for like 4 months

[scenic stratus]

oh lol

[viscid tinsel]

Nosk is hard without a strat

[scenic stratus]

right

[viscid tinsel]

I got all achievements and I’m calling that enough

[scenic stratus]

wait does doom 3 have multiplayer achievements

[viscid tinsel]

I’m not having fun with Doom 3 though so idk if it’s worth playing

[viscid tinsel]

I don’t usually care about achievements. Doom Eternal I just wanted to collect everything and do Nightmare everything, and that was enough for me

[scenic stratus]

i hated doom 3 the first time i played it but after a few months i suddenly decided to get back to it and oh man did i love it

[viscid tinsel]

Because Hollowknight is nonlinear I had to use achievements as my excuse to quit because there’s always more to do

[scenic stratus]

right

I find Terraria much better tbh

[viscid tinsel]

Whoa it’s on Gamepass

[scenic stratus]

it is??

[viscid tinsel]

Will it suck me in like hollow knight though

[scenic stratus]

absolutely

the early game is a bit grindy but once you are on pace it gets too much fun

[viscid tinsel]

I mean will it claim my soul and make me play after I’m no longer having fun lol

Everyone in HK discord plays terraria too actually

They talk about it a lot

[scenic stratus]

oh lmao

[viscid tinsel]

Hollow knight stopped being fun when I fought bosses that took weeks to beat and then the boss rushes

[scenic stratus]

i think we should take this convo to general since we might get a warning talking bout other games

[viscid tinsel]

Ah ok

[wraith pumice]

the BFG Edition does

5 of them

[scenic stratus]

bruh

[wraith pumice]

and one of them requires 2 killing 2 players with a rocket

I got all mp achievements with the help of some friends

the BFG Edition’s mp mode is so dead that trying to get the achievements normally is literally impossible

[scenic stratus]

shit no platinum

doom 3 so demonic it made my sleep paralysis demon real

[wraith pumice]

to be fair, that can be said for like every singleplayer fps that has multiplayer modes

[vernal crest]

Bold of you to assume that D3 demons weren't based on real ones-

[scenic stratus]

lmao

[honest lynx]

Betruger watches me sleep

[vernal crest]

sounds a bit suspicious....

[scenic stratus]

betruger my beloved

[vernal crest]

[scenic stratus]

Baetruger

[vernal crest]

mhm
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061010804197032018/1067133138469404822/Your_death_is_coming_-_Betruger_burger_2145.mp4

[scenic stratus]

bro is such a meme

[vernal crest]

brotruger

soon, our memes will be his

[supple gull]

I wonder if Mixom won the court case against Moxim

[wraith pumice]

this is so cursed and amazing at the same time

I like it

[vernal crest]

I can always make more-

[wraith pumice]

the guy who was responsible for popularizing left

I miss him

[vernal crest]

same, we shall remember Sargent Swiss Cheese

[rose field]

i miss swiss

bob too

[honest lynx]

I'll let them know

[vernal crest]

we all do

[wraith pumice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEaUeHpFQoA&t=63s

the Hell Knight one is my favourite. two of them come out of a portal and one picks up that guy running away from them and throws him at a wall

I like how the shotgun in this game was so hated that it became a meme

wide spread moment

honestly though, I don't see a problem with it. run right at an enemy's face, shoot them, move away then repeat

the Doom 3 shotgun is actually good

[coral solstice]

Just like Buddy Dacote in the Doom Bible

[scenic stratus]

Doom 3

[vernal crest]

I've heard people talk about how in the Alpha zombies could get up/resurrect, but I haven't heard people mention that commando's could also resurrect in the Alpha

[honest lynx]

It's great up the imps butt

[vernal crest]

I do wonder if there's a mod that changes it to the Alpha's shotgun, because although it is a good weapon, it can be inconsistent

[honest lynx]

There is

I think it's used in phobos

[strange valve]

Constant sprint + Shotgun = very dead demons

[livid wharf]

Or dead Doomguy, depending on how your health and dodging are

[honest lynx]

pm_walkspeed 250

[elder island]

In Doom 3, basically all you need is the shotgun anyway.

The other weapons are just there for when the Shotgun dries up Lol.

[scenic stratus]

isn't the shotgun really bad?

or at least very inconsistent?

I haven't played Doom 3 yet tho

[scenic stratus]

yes
sometimes one hit
sometimes takes 4

ah yes, just what I need in my fast paced action shooter
wonky RNG

but man is it fun when it one taps everything

you go in their face and boop

most fun regular shotgun in the series

[wraith pumice]

it's so satisfying when the Zombies get insta-gibbed

the shotgun is the main weapon you use for a lot of the game. it can 1-2 shot a lot of the enemies if you use it effectively and rng is on your side

the zombie marines of course have shotguns that are more accurate and fire faster

your shotgun is useless past hugging range, while they can still damage you a bit quite a few meters away

[livid wharf]

Basically the shotgun is devastating at point blank range, but becomes a roll of the dice if there’s any distance between you and the target.

[wraith pumice]

''The devil is real. I know. I built his cage''

one of the best quotes I ever heard in a game

[vernal crest]

and yet in Eternal TAG, he built him a castle

[wraith pumice]

oh yeah

they named it Betruger Castle right

[vernal crest]

mhm, and there's another named after Dr. Ishi, the dude who said that quote

[wraith pumice]

the nuDoom id team sure likes referencing Doom 3

2016's monorail and mars design come to mind

not to mention the Hell Knight's design

[scenic stratus]

what the fu

[vernal crest]

and then Eternal throws it out of the main timeline while still refrencing it

[wraith pumice]

yeah, that's funny

they reference Doom 3 but didn't actually use stuff from it

like the new demons

[vernal crest]

I guess 3 just went "yeah we're not dealing with your messy lore, bye biach 💅"

[wraith pumice]

really though, it would have been cool seeing nuDoom versions of the new Doom 3 demons

[vernal crest]

well there's the hellknight, but I think that comes from the fact that in 2, Hellknights never had an original desigh, they were just recolors of the Baron of Hell

[vernal crest]

yes, I need that sexy transparent skin the Revenants have

[wraith pumice]

Prowlers are like Wraiths and Nightmare Imps combined

[vernal crest]

also, Slayers armor in Eternal is suppost to somehow be based on the civilian armor from 3, but honestly I don't see it

[wraith pumice]

that feels like a lie lmao

[vernal crest]

it really does

but it's what they've said....

[livid wharf]

I can sorta see it if I squint

[wraith pumice]

if Ticks and Trites were in nuDoom, I imagine them doing things like spitting acid projectiles and clinging and running on walls

[vernal crest]

lol

[livid wharf]

I’d guess they started with the Doom 3 armor as inspiration and iterated a bunch of times and it changed wildly over the course of the many drafts

[vernal crest]

it's not even the right color.... of any Doom armor

the armor in 2016 feels more closer to 3's civilian one than Eternal ones

[wraith pumice]

the Dread Knight's face looks like

[livid wharf]

Eternal’s armor looks fine to me. It borrows some elements from previous games but it’s very much its own design. I like it

[vernal crest]

I actually saw a blue verson of it and I think that one looks better, but maybe it's since I like blue, or because the more puke/orange-ish-green doesn't seem matching

[wraith pumice]

nuDoom Bruiser would be amazing

[vernal crest]

yes

[wraith pumice]

something like a faster, but much more squishy Mancubus