doom-3

[honest lynx]

Where are they now Id?.. they're gone.. probably playing cod.. we could have used map creation to do wonders..

[wraith pumice]

ngl, the Lost Souls in this game look creepy up-close

mutilated flaming woman heads

[vernal crest]

Mhm

[livid wharf]

Tbh I don’t really play multiplayer in FPS games in general. I tend to find it frustrating instead of fun, largely because I have aim problems and aim always seems to be the focus in competitive play

[acoustic acorn]

you can get far in the ground based cod games by focusing on position. My aim was bad but I knew the maps really well

[livid wharf]

My main experience with competitive FPS was Valorant and a bit of CSGO. Positioning and tactics definitely matter there but I often got headshot from my ambush point before I could even react.

[wraith pumice]

I usually don't play multiplayer fps games because I absolutely suck at pvp

singleplayer fps games with coop modes on the other hand is amazing

[livid wharf]

I don’t think the people who made Doom 3 know what a meter is. The blast zone for the BFG ball is cited as “15 meters” and for the grenade “30 meters”
Neith of these are even remotely accurate. The BFG blast zone is probably 15 feet or so, and the grenade range is more like 10 feet

[honest lynx]

Sounds uac accurate

[supple gull]

Probably the same person who made the shotgun have so much spread.

[livid wharf]

Almost to the end of the base game. Has been pretty fun. The slow opening was a lot more tolerable than I remembered. Should I go to RoE next, or Lost Mission, or does it matter?

[scenic stratus]

Lost Mission is sort of a “happening at the same time” thing, so I recommend that

[livid wharf]

Sounds good. Are they about the same difficulty?

[scenic stratus]

Oh ya, totally. And it’s only a few hours long

[scenic stratus]

Iirc it's just a few cut levels and stuff from doom 3

[scenic stratus]

[livid wharf]

The Super Shotgun is a wonderful thing

[vernal crest]

mhm, pretty powerful shit

[honest lynx]

My love

[scenic stratus]

wtf does it mean by cd key

[vernal crest]

It's supposed to be from a disk or something, try reopening the game in another way (like from the homescreen, that helped me)

[scenic stratus]

NOPE JUST DOESNT WORK THANKS STEAM

Wtf ROE doesn't want one WHY DOES THE BASE GAME NEED ONE

Ah it wanted me to run ROE first, that's stupid

[vernal crest]

Dunno, tbh Steam used to do it to me before, but suddenly just stopped

Ever since I started opening the game from the homescreen

[scenic stratus]

Is there a way to change difficulty mid game

[livid wharf]

Don’t think so

[subtle sparrow]

bfg edition?

[scenic stratus]

I used the console

I wasn't gonna restart all of that

[subtle sparrow]

g_skill or smth

[scenic stratus]

I just underestimated how hard veteran would be

[wraith pumice]

the demon that contacted him in his dreams is Bill Cipher

[scenic stratus]

Is there a way to bind a quicksave key

[subtle sparrow]

didn use since 2005 or smth but it must be -smth like bind u _savegame or smth

or _quicksave? try console commands

[scenic stratus]

Nope neither work

[scenic stratus]

OK now that I got it all situated so far I'm liking it

[copper willow]

Me trying to change the resolution of Doom 3 is not working for me. I've tried everything, believe me. I've inserted console commands, edited the config file, and even installed mods. And it's still at a low resolution!

seta r_mode "3"
seta r_aspectRatio "1"
seta r_customHeight "1080"
seta r_customWidth "1920"
These are the settings I have edited in my config file.

[wraith pumice]

you better use the dhewm 3 source port. it has proper widescreen and has bug fixes

[copper willow]

I have it downloaded. How do I open the game?

[wraith pumice]

...

there's a guide to make it work in its download page

[copper willow]

Do I have to put it in the base Doom 3 files?

[wraith pumice]

yes

[copper willow]

I have it copy pasted to Steamapps -> common -> Doom 3 -> base

Restarting Steam didn't work.

[wraith pumice]

well then idk

[copper willow]

Also I'm not playing the BFG edition. I simply prefer the original, plus no mounted flashlight (unless I wanted to make a self-imposed rule of only having fists out when the flashlight is on.)

I'm just going to run it windowed. Custom resolutions will apply there.

[livid wharf]

When I did a dive into Doom 3’s code a year ago, I noticed that enemy/friendly NPC status is controlled by a “team” number value. I imagine it was coded this way as a way to piggyback team deathmatch off this same system. Anyway this means changing one digit in one place can change whether an actor is friendly or hostile upon spawning in.

[acoustic acorn]

what happens if scientists or marines are made unfriendly

[livid wharf]

I don’t think they’re affected due to being signposts/switches from a gameplay standpoint. I don’t think they have a team variable (I didn’t check)

The main friendly actor in this case are the security robots that you can have escort you through certain sections

But you could also, say, make a zombie soldier a squadmate for the opening levels of a campaign if you wanted

[wraith pumice]

I wanted to take transparent images of Doom 3 enemies, but the problem is, it's not easy

they blend in with the background

[livid wharf]

If you don’t want them to blend in, why are you making them transparent?

I’m seriously asking because I can’t think of any other purpose

[wraith pumice]

as in, the fact that they have the same color as most of the ground/wall textures makes it hard

[livid wharf]

Oh yeah, that’s different.

[wraith pumice]

if I could do it, I would put them in front of a greenscreen wall and took images that way

what doesn't help is that there's like only one guide about adding custom textures to Doom 3 and it was made an eternity ago

[copper willow]

I have a semi theory about Doom 3, and that it is kind of a predecessor to Doom 2016. At the beginning of 2016, Hayden says “I’m willing to take full responsibility for the horrible events of the last 24 hours.” Doom 3 takes place over a single day.

There could be a debunk to this with Argent and the Revenant project, however.

Also Doom 3 could take place while Doom Slayer is in hell, since we are playing as a different marine in Doom 3.

[livid wharf]

Different universe.
Anyway I just realized that the grabber in the expansions is based on the gravity gun in Half Life

[wraith pumice]

wow

that's mind-blowing

[livid wharf]

I can’t believe I didn’t notice that it’s basically the gravity gun until just now

[copper willow]

The BFG also feels based off the Tau cannon since you can blow yourself up with it if you charge it up too much.

[livid wharf]

I may be wrong, but I think the base game predates HL1

[wraith pumice]

I remember searching for model viewers for Doom 3 (and id tech 4 games in general) and I barely could see any shit

[copper willow]

Doom 3 definitely uses a lot of tropes, scenes, and gags from Half Life.

[fervent crest]

Doom 3?

[wraith pumice]

come on man

[livid wharf]

Doom 3 base game. At any rate I just checked and that is incorrect

[fervent crest]

yeah, Doom 3 is 2004 wheras Half Life is 1998

Half Life 2 is 2004 though

which is when the gravity gun was introduced

[livid wharf]

There you go

[copper willow]

So the UAC was copying the Black Mesa technology? /j

[wraith pumice]

I'm surprised Doom 3 didn't had any sort of model viewers

[livid wharf]

In fairness I wasn’t around when these games released. Half Life 1 is slightly older than I am

[fervent crest]

I was around, but I was only like 2 when Doom 3 and HL2 came out

[copper willow]

I wasn’t born yet when Doom 3 came out.

[fervent crest]

damn I'm old

[livid wharf]

I didn’t expect to be the oldest person in the convo, albeit by like 5 years

[copper willow]

I bet that makes me feel so young and gives me a feeling like I don’t belong here.

I’ve been playing Doom since I was 13-14 BTW

[fervent crest]

I didn't discover Doom till I was 14

if 2016 hadn't released, I never would've known Doom existed

[copper willow]

I first heard of Doom when I was like 8 or 9.

[wraith pumice]

I think the first time I saw Doom was when I was watching my dad playing Doom 3

[copper willow]

My dad played the s*** out of Doom back in the 90’s. My mom always got lost.

[fervent crest]

my parents weren't gamers, afaik neither of them played Doom

[livid wharf]

Same

[copper willow]

He’s a bit old for playing 2016 or Eternal though.

[wraith pumice]

here's a secret:

[naive tide]

My uncle is the only gamer that’s near me

[wraith pumice]

I wasn't even born when Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 came out

[copper willow]

@wraith pumice same here.

[wraith pumice]

I bought most Doom games back in 2019

[wraith pumice]

Betruger is so evil that he's funny

his laughs are not scary at all

[honest lynx]

Still scarier than olivia

[vernal crest]

Shame people even compare the two 😒

[wraith pumice]

I mean

Olivia is nothing more than a Female Betruger

[livid wharf]

They did basically take the same plot concept and just did it again. Though Olivia does feel more human than Betruger

Betruger is still fun in a Disney villain kind of way

[wraith pumice]

the demon that contacted Betruger in his dreams is Bill Cipher

[vernal crest]

To me at least, Olivia's just kind of whiny, Betruger at least seems like he fully knows what he's dealing with

[honest lynx]

End of the day betruger became a hell noble while Olivia's body was just used like a chump

[vernal crest]

Mhm

[tardy wing]

Doom 3 is kinda like a dead space/doom hybrid tbh

[subtle sparrow]

Olivia -imagine her being a woman with the possibility to augment her body as to live forever or smth and from all the options she could chose she said: f it, I want to get the ugliest skin possible for my eternal body; sometimes the trend of anti-feminine body know no limits.

[rose field]

okay, but if i had the possibility to augment my body as much as i wanted, becoming a big monster seems fun

not the best fashion choice, but still

[vernal crest]

doubt fashion will matter to them if they're powerful af

[vernal crest]

but Doom 3 inspired Dead Space....

[tardy wing]

Damn rlly?

Oh wait

[viral briar]

Dead Space - 2008
DOOM 3 - 2004

[honest lynx]

Get that dead space bs outta here

[ruby harbor]

I'm planning on playing through Doom 3 at some point after I finish Doom 2 and Doom 64

But I don't know which version I should play for my first time

I've heard a lot of polarizing opinions on the original vs the BFG edition release

What do you guys recommend for the best first time experience

[coral solstice]

play the 2004 version

but through a source port like dhewm3 or CstDoom3

[ruby harbor]

What's up with the steam port?

[coral solstice]

the one that's just "Doom 3" on Steam is the 2004 version

[ruby harbor]

Is it buggy?

[coral solstice]

it doesn't quite run well on modern systems, that's why I recommend source ports

[ruby harbor]

Oh I see

[coral solstice]

modifying the config file to make it run in widescreen stretches the HUD and intermission screens

[ruby harbor]

Well I'll give the steam port a shot first before I look into that

[coral solstice]

also I think there's some bug where it defaults to the lowest texture quality due to it somehow not detecting modern RAM that's higher than a few megabytes

[ruby harbor]

Interesting

[leaden trout]

any good mods for doom 3? something to give it better gunplay, it has very boring guns, i know there is sikkmod. but it doesnt work for me, not on retail, bfg or dhwem3, and thats just graphics anyways, seems most mods just tweak balancing or add ridiculous overpowered nonsense

[livid wharf]

There’s the Phobos mod, which is basically a new campaign in the vein of classic Doom in the Doom 3 engine

[leaden trout]

hows the level design, did you get stuck often? and are the guns better

[livid wharf]

I haven’t played it at this time so IDK. I do know they reworked the shptgun to be more like the classic one

[coral solstice]

Perfected and Weapons of Mars Destruction

[leaden trout]

thanks

how do i load a pk4 mod? i have the waffen texture pack but it is just a pk4. i put it in the base dir of doom 3 and doom3xp with all the other pka4xs

any concommands to make the grabber infinite?

[livid wharf]

You could try file editing

You can look at the files in Notepad then edit them to change mechanics. You can mess with damage, spread, ammo capacity, etc
If you go to the charge value for the grabber and enter -1, that should make it infinite

[livid wharf]

The pistol gibbing zombies and sending their undamaged brain flying across the room will never stop being funny

[honest lynx]

Turned that off with a mod a while back

[vernal crest]

well, they do say "it's all in the brains" for a reason

[slow current]

How often should i be saving?

[vernal crest]

depends

quicksaving is there for areason

[wraith pumice]

the Plasma Gun in this game is probably my favourite version of the weapon in the entire series

[vernal crest]

mhm

prefer the Doom 1 design, but love the sounds in 3

[wraith pumice]

it has amazing firing and reloading sounds, a cool design and it’s effective against literally everything

[honest lynx]

The reloading is just amazing

[wraith pumice]

though the Doom 3 demons are a threat against normal Marines, just imagine them trying to fight the Doom Slayer

[acoustic acorn]

If anyone's played RE4 or The Evil Within, how do you think they compare with D3

[scenic stratus]

Id still prob play re4 over d3

My real gripe with D3 is a lot of things both as an action and horror

The game isnt bad its the fact it released in a year with 2 Behemoths definitely

[acoustic acorn]

RE4 also is kinda sorta an action game as well, even with spooky themes

[scenic stratus]

Personally idk if id compare doom 3 with RE4 just cause they are two different tastes

[acoustic acorn]

I think all 3 fit in the "spooky looking game that is mostly about pew pew fighting monsters as a relatively slow character"

[scenic stratus]

Considering RE4 has other aspects such as the goofy light hearted stuff and an engaging story id rather play RE4

Doom 3 isnt bad but half life 2 released the same year and rlly is a HUGE difference

[acoustic acorn]

I've played some HL2 and the boat section is years long

[honest lynx]

Definitely prefer doom 3 over half life 2. Just never got into it

[scenic stratus]

Halo 2 especially released as well and im glad i even own an original xbox to know what that was like

Wasnt born in 2004 but glad dad kept his xbox

especially before it shut down*

[honest lynx]

It was a banger but not the reasoni built my first pc. That's all doom 3 baby. I like how magazines warned readers to beef the pcs up for it

[scenic stratus]

Doom 3 is a nice looking game its just the same environment

[honest lynx]

Still has one of the best hell levels in the franchise. Absolutely nailed it

[scenic stratus]

The level design isnt something to brag abt and im sure if someone took a screenshot of a specific point in the game that isnt Hell u wouldnt know where that player even was.

Doom 2016 is the same issue but no where near like doom 3 was

But the introductions to the demons was nice

Mancubus introduced in a sewer is my fac

[wraith pumice]

Doom 3 is good, but I find Half-Life 2 to be more fun

the chapters are distinct, the story is good, the combat is better etc

[scenic stratus]

^

[honest lynx]

I just found half life 2 boring as fuck. Just didn't do it for me

[wraith pumice]

lmao

[scenic stratus]

Also half life 2’s environment of an alien race taking over earth has never felt so strong to me

I enjoy the combine

[honest lynx]

Very pretty game have to admit that

[coral solstice]

honestly I think HL2 did a worse job at concealing the obvious tech demo aspects and also just felt too disconnected from HL1

[honest lynx]

Like they physics too and character models but I don't feel it's gameplay is superior at all.

[wraith pumice]

Doom 3, Far Cry, Half-Life 2 and Halo 2 are the big name fps games of 2004

[honest lynx]

It was a great year

[wraith pumice]

though I like HL2, HL1 is more fun gameplay-wise. it's faster and has more enemy and weapon variety

[scenic stratus]

U could say that but at the same time both games stand tall on their own and what can u rlly assume would happen.

[fathom pecan]

is doom 3 good?

[honest lynx]

Absolutely

[fathom pecan]

oh ok

[scenic stratus]

Half life 1 ends with Gman taking u out of the time line and putting u in when needed. The possibilities half life puts in are limitless

[wraith pumice]

honestly, HL1 and HL2 feel very different from one another imo

[honest lynx]

2004 was just an insane year so many great games with something to offer

[wraith pumice]

not just graphics-wise, but the storytelling, the atmosphere and even gameplay

the Combine, a staple of the franchise, appeared literally out of nowhere with no explanation

[scenic stratus]

The half life universe in my eyes is big yet feels so small. Theres a LOT of questions and so little answers

[coral solstice]

I think it would've been funny to see an Alien Grunt work with the rebels but I think it's implied they all died the moment the Nihilanth died

alongside all the Controllers

[wraith pumice]

the bad ending shows an army of Alien Grunts

[coral solstice]

either that or the Combine picked off all the remaining ones

actually, I think HL1 implies they're like "super soldier" Vorts?

[wraith pumice]

not really

[scenic stratus]

theres some “connections” biologically

such as their third arm. Etc.

[wraith pumice]

the xen mines shows Alien Grunts transported via containers. dunno if that has any meaning

[scenic stratus]

They also dont own Myriad powers as the Vortigaunts so kinda makes sense if they were killed off by the Combine

Vortigaunts were only valuable because of their inherit powers

[wraith pumice]

Gargantuas are not mentioned at all after HL1

[coral solstice]

there was a planned sequence in the opening tram ride where you'd see a Garg get cleaved in half by a train outside the window

as in one of those trains with the sharp edge at the front

[scenic stratus]

in comparison to the Arsenal half life 2 def had more to give.

[wraith pumice]

2 words:

Gravity Gun

[scenic stratus]

I didnt find much excitement until the Plasma Gun and the Ion in the dlc

[wraith pumice]

ion?

[scenic stratus]

the doom 3’s version of the Gravity gun

Ye doom 3 had a gravity gun in its dlc

[wraith pumice]

I know that, I forget its full name

[scenic stratus]

Ionized Plasma Levitator

thingy*

[wraith pumice]

it's neat that the Grabber can grab enemy projectiles and you can throw them back

honestly though, I don't use it often because the guns in Doom 3 are good enough

[scenic stratus]

I dont like the marine designs

just my hot take

[wraith pumice]

I wonder how the world looks like from an Imp's perspective

[scenic stratus]

Red

[wraith pumice]

it has like 10 eyes

[scenic stratus]

Oh ye right

[acoustic acorn]

As much as it is kinda a grav gun, it's so bad

[honest lynx]

Just used it for lost souls

[scenic stratus]

RoE was only gud cause Dr. Elizabeth voiced by Jennifer Hale

[slow current]

Are my guns supposed to knock enemies back or interupt their attacks?

They feel kind of shit ngl, but i do have the difficulty on highest so idk if its a product of that

[livid wharf]

It depends on the enemy and the gun. Difficulty mostly affects how much damage you take and enemy aggression IIRC.

[slow current]

Oh ok

[livid wharf]

The shotgun can oneshot most enemies guaranteed as long as you’re close enough. The rocket launcher and plasma gun are probably your best bet for stunning outside of very close range though

[elder island]

I mostly just used the Shotgun in 3
It works fine against almost anything.

[livid wharf]

I use the shotgun against anything I can get close enough to without getting hit. For Revenants and former soldiers I pretty much always use longer range guns like the machine gun and chaingun

[elder island]

I just hide behind corners and let enemies run towards me.
Most of them are stupid enough to do that

[livid wharf]

What’s the fun of that? I charge them head on to ram a shotgun down their throat and fill their gullets with buckshot. Also the arenas when they come up tend to get you cornered if you stay in one place too much

[vernal crest]

so in conclusion: running away and hiding behind corners isn't a good idea, after all these demons know how to ride futuristic ships

[livid wharf]

A really subtle but clever thing I noticed in my first playthrough was that the game tends to have the player surrounded whenever multiple demon are attacking at once, especially with trites and such. This means that you can’t safely backpedal and need to push forward and carve a space to exist without being in immediate danger. Classic Doom sometimes does this too btw

[vernal crest]

well there's a reason why when the game came out people kept saying that "It was too much like the original Doom"

and this was a complaint

[livid wharf]

That feels like a nonsense complaint to me. Of course the combat design should push players to be proactive and interact with the mechanics in interesting ways

[vernal crest]

mhm, I agree

[livid wharf]

I kind of wish Doom 3 did that more. It kinda feels like the game doesn’t use big fights regularly enough, especially early on

[elder island]

I thought they complained because it was so unlike the original doom.
Being very linear and slow at times.

[rain ingot]

dis game tras

[elder island]

Doom 3 feels a lot like other horror shooters that were popular around that time like F.E.A.R.

[livid wharf]

People have made both complaints. The “too unlike Doom” thing is mostly something said years after the fact

[rose field]

u r tras

[vernal crest]

that's a complaint said nowdays, but unlike people who say "it's not a Doom game" people who said it's too much like Doom had actual valid arguments and know that the original isn't a "extremely fast paced badass shooter"

[elder island]

What kind of arguments?
How can a Doom game be too much like Doom?

[vernal crest]

it was more-so because 3 was suppost to be a "reboot that tried something different" and yet there were too much similarities between Doom 1 and 3 (hell, someone here even said that 3 was more of an love letter to Doom's bible), you don't hear that being said with 2016 and Eternal since the gameplay is mostly different (it's still Doom)

[livid wharf]

It certainly did try something different. It just also tried to stay true to the series’ core

[vernal crest]

as well as ironically doing what they originally wanted to do

[honest lynx]

One of the main complaints at launch was that 3 was to much like classic doom

From one magazine I believe

[wraith pumice]

I don't really see how it's like Classic Doom. Classic Doom is a fast-paced game where you usually fight dozens of enemies at once while Doom 3 is a slower game where you usually fight 4 to 5 enemies at most

[honest lynx]

At launch I'm sure alot of people did play it slow. I know I did. Isn't really the case now though. Especially 2004 vets I'm sure

[vernal crest]

Doom isn't really all that fast paced, and you can play 3 at the fast pace. Hell half (if not most) enemies are faster in 3 than they are in 1, 2 and 64

[wraith pumice]

@frosty holly

the fucking scammers!

[frosty holly]

ty

[velvet smelt]

I don't care what anyone says, DOOM 3 is the scariest DOOM Game.

[slate fox]

DOOM 3 mid

[velvet smelt]

I've never played it myself, but I've seen a few YouTube Reviews, and Gameplay

[slate fox]

I’ve played it on pc and it’s mid

[velvet smelt]

I'll take your word for it I guess

[honest lynx]

When you're all just turning 14 and your first game was doom eternal *

[livid wharf]

It’s pretty good but not the best. Definitely not scary though

[honest lynx]

I like how I've been defending doom 3 for from Nu doom players for years now and instead of reasons other than slow dark and not doom, ( all which is not true) they never have a valid argument. And when they do try one its melted into the ground by anyone that has 20 hours in it. Like this vicious circle of I don't know what I'm saying but I need to come here and say it

[livid wharf]

My only real problem with the game is that it never shakes the feeling that it’s going easy on you. Especially when they could be throwing full encounters at you way more often than they do

[coral solstice]

god I think I oughta compile my thoughts on how close it is to Hall's vision and shit into a single document at some point

[honest lynx]

The problem in that case is veteran

I do agree veteran needed a difficulty spike

It is to easy

[honest lynx]

Do it

[livid wharf]

Not primarily in terms of difficulty, in terms of feeling too contained. Like there’s a few fights where you’re being pushed in on from every direction and have to come up with a plan quickly, but not nearly often enough imo

[honest lynx]

But doom 3 is not easy at all. I've been playing since 2004 and I can tell you for a fact a no death nightmare attempt is absolutely impossible

That's a rare feature for any game

I wonder if a un mode would be doable

Also doom 3 has faster quick swaps than classic.. so ya.. don't play like a chump and you'll be good

https://youtube.com/shorts/aPTjOePDrTQ?feature=share

[wraith pumice]

I find even nightmare to be easy

[honest lynx]

Is your definition of dying easy? Because I find dying a failure. Always saw that weird when someone dies and then calls a difficulty easy

[wraith pumice]

I mean, I didn't die often on nightmare

no, really

[livid wharf]

I think a better way to phrase my issue is that I feel like there’s way to much reliance on incidental combat, especially early on

[honest lynx]

If you die more than 4 times In a difficulty I think it's a dumb to blatantly call a difficulty easy. That's to much hubris even for me

And there no fucking way on earth you're out here calling doom 3 nightmare easy and you're not dying often. That's going to set of bs meters on doom 3 vets and they'll want videos and such. Not a route you want to go

[wraith pumice]

then again, I played the BFG Edition on nightmare

[livid wharf]

Number of total deaths feels like a weird metric to me. Dying is a normal part of the gameplay loop in most games. If you’re not getting stuck in a place because you keep dying there, then I think calling it kinda easy is reasonable

[honest lynx]

Doom 3 nightmare will obliterate you faster than any doom difficulty so it's funny thing to say

25 health every enemy does 300 percent damage

[livid wharf]

To be clear I’m not saying nightmare is easy.

[honest lynx]

Z Secs alone early game you can't Avoid one shots

[wraith pumice]

I'm generally good at avoiding demon attacks

[honest lynx]

There's runs where you're just taking deaths because there is no choice

[fervent crest]

I just thought of something, is the guy from Resurrection of Evil meant to be based on the guy from Doom 2's cover art?

[vernal crest]

well DoomGuy's face isn't shown on cover art, the only other D2 related art I can think of is the one where he's wearing a jacket, but even then it doesn't look based on him

[velvet smelt]

Watching Gameplay for the first time, how dark and slow everything is, scares the crap out of me

[livid wharf]

You can move surprisingly fast

[vernal crest]

I'd also recommend entering "pm_stamina 0" if you want to go even faster, or if you're a speedrunner

[honest lynx]

pm _walkspeed 250

[vernal crest]

I was referring to the cheat that gives you infinite stamina

[honest lynx]

No need for stamina with that walk speed. Especially helps with controller speedruns no stick damage

[wraith pumice]

the Bruiser from ROE would work well as a nuDoom enemy ngl

[coral solstice]

Yes please

[wraith pumice]

other than the Bruiser, I don't think any completely new enemy in Doom 3 would fit in nuDoom

[livid wharf]

Vandals are basically just 2016 imps, nuDoom doesn’t really need more pest types like cherubs and trites, Vagaries might work with some changes

[wraith pumice]

the fuck is Vandal

[honest lynx]

Nu dooms hellknight is directly based off of the doom 3 version

[wraith pumice]

I said new enemies, not an enemy from Classic Doom

[honest lynx]

So 2 ?

Well I guess it's 3. We all repress the memory of the cherub

[wraith pumice]

I think those Tentacle Commandos would work

[honest lynx]

They would have a pretty great glory kill I'm sure

[wraith pumice]

Prowlers are like Wraiths that can fire projectiles

another reason why I think most new Doom 3 enemies wouldn't work in nuDoom is because many of them are just Imps that don't have projectile attacks

Maggots and Wraiths are the best examples

[honest lynx]

In that case classic doom enemies who have all been changed and adapter for nu doom wouldn't work either

If you're talking about just dropping a enemy from old doom games into new doom games non of them would work at all either

Think about that for a second

[wraith pumice]

oh fuck
well, if Maggots were in the new games, they definitely would have new attacks for sure

[honest lynx]

Imagine those baby cherubs but beefed for eternal? Maybe a enemy tossed around to reduce visibility? Hahaha

[wraith pumice]

lol

I can remember people thought the Carcass was somehow a new version fo the Cherub

if Ticks and Trites were in nuDoom, I imagine them constantly hopping around and clinging on walls, and not only leaping at you, but also spitting acid

[vernal crest]

since there's an enemy on the modern Doom that kind of resembles the Cherubs (forgot the name, sorry), I always assumed that the reason they weren't brought to 2016 or Eternal is because the Slayer glory killing babies would be too controversial

[livid wharf]

They could simply be made less human looking in that case

[vernal crest]

True, although they'd probably be less recognisable and creepy, but then again Eternal would def do that

[slim willow]

I forgot the re-release got an update so i'm going to check it out

[vernal crest]

make sure to tell us what it is since they don't

[honest lynx]

Betrugers face line fixed

[wraith pumice]

apparently, the 2019 version of Doom 3 was available on steam at one point

[livid wharf]

What changed for that version?

[wraith pumice]

it's the BFG Edition but lacks Classic Doom games, multiplayer and the console

[livid wharf]

Oh that’s the version I have on PS4

[wraith pumice]

does it add any stuff on DE if you log in your bethesda.net account

[livid wharf]

Yeah it adds the Red classic skin

[wraith pumice]

I'm honestly surprised this version is available on pc when it's literally just the BFG Edition but with even more missing stuff

[livid wharf]

IDK either

[wraith pumice]

well, Doom 3's multiplayer mode is dead, so I don't find the removal of multiplayer to be bad

[livid wharf]

Still a bit sad

[wraith pumice]

really though, I only bought the BFG Edition because I wanted to own every Doom game and I like being a completionist

[livid wharf]

I have BFG Edition because the download code was included with my copy of 2016

I already had the original game on PC

[coral solstice]

not quite, it's only there to people who got it on the Bethesda launcher and transferred all their stuff to Steam

[slim willow]

If they did keep the multiplayer in, it would probably be dead

No progression system of any kind, not gonna keep people in

[scenic stratus]

I wish the original Doom 3 was available on Xbox

Vastly prefer that version over the BFG edition

[honest lynx]

It is

Just not your x box

[scenic stratus]

[honest lynx]

X box og port is fantastic

[slim willow]

They just changed the news tab lmfao

That's the only change i can notice

Though a 5gb patch just to modify some text is bizarre

[livid wharf]

Does the multiplayer have bots?

[vernal crest]

don't think so

[livid wharf]

Okay thanks

[viral briar]

Let me guess, it’s to add a news item promoting Mighty DOOM or something?

[vernal crest]

LOL

Classic....
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051217998771408967/1094265755492683786/Classic_Doom_wouldve_100_had_this_type_of_easter_egg_oh_wait.mp4

[supple gull]

I wonder why that one Joe is Mars City is actually named Ronn

[vernal crest]

which one? ||no really, please do tell||

[honest lynx]

There's Tons of Joe's

[supple gull]

I think the one in that office with the plasma gun

[slim willow]

There's one named Anthony too

The guard that walks away before the Betruger and Swann meeting

[livid wharf]

I never tried to remember most of the guys’ names. I remember Betruger, Sarge, and Swann and I think they are it

[honest lynx]

Betruger is also joe

[livid wharf]

Huh.

[vernal crest]

Joe is a name given to the NPC's you're not supposed to interact with, if you noclip to Betruger's office at the beginning of the game, he will be Joe

[livid wharf]

That’s hilarious

Joe never interact with them

[supple gull]

Strangely, the Bertruger in Delta Labs Sector 3 isn't a Joe despite the fact that you can't reach him. T. Brooks isn't one either.

[vernal crest]

what is this evil magic?!

[pearl urchin]

missed opportunity

[vernal crest]

how come?

[pearl urchin]

famous punchline after the question "who's joe"

[vernal crest]

oh

that

[scenic stratus]

Yesterday began with doom 3 campaign, enjoying it so far

[vernal crest]

keep on enjoying the killing

[scenic stratus]

Sure will thx

[slim willow]

Still wish this game had more Hell in it

[scenic stratus]

Those spiders in alpha labs sector... 3 and 4(?) are so fast and annoying lmao

And am not exactly sure but I think I had.. one odd encounter with those baby angel demons..??? And as mentioned in voice logs and emails, a voice spoke to me too. Although I cant really get to it when my vision turns red for 3 times now, mostly when I heard some whispers iirc..?

This game honestly runs on nightmare fuel, which reminds me of demons models, eeesh

Especially Maledict and Sabaoth

Even though I'm scared I'm looking forward to play it further and finish it, including expansion packs RoE and TLM

[vernal crest]

👍

[scenic stratus]

[scenic stratus]

The imagery in this game is fantastic

Especially love its depiction of hell

[vernal crest]

mhm, wish we got more of it like we were suppost to

[scenic stratus]

Didn't know that Vagary had telekinesis

[honest lynx]

Ya it's hinted at that all those things thrown around before the fight and even the babies crying is the vagary just messing with you.

[scenic stratus]

Wait what now-

[honest lynx]

Ya ! Pretty creepy

[scenic stratus]

I think I heard it but then again I don't remember

I was so focused on switching weapons, firing, jumping and avoiding her attacks

[wraith pumice]

I like how even though the Commandos are Zombies, their corpses burn away like demons

that must mean one thing: Betruger turns them into demons

[vernal crest]

Sad

They knew people would want a closer look at their abs

[scenic stratus]

Yk I don't remember seeing any fat people so where did fat zombies appear from..?

[wraith pumice]

perhaps the zombification affected people's weight idk

[scenic stratus]

Guess so

[vernal crest]

Well most of the scientists do look a bit chubby, Betruger included

Also, a detail someone noticed, their bellys do actually jingle

[scenic stratus]

Hmm... well chubby yeh, but oh well it's a 2005 game so all fatties look the same

[scenic stratus]

Lmaooo

[wraith pumice]

oddly enough, unlike normal Zombies, Fat Zombies don't have any death sounds

[vernal crest]

Don't wanna be that person but, the game came out in 2004

[scenic stratus]

Ah

Whoops

[wraith pumice]

there's Zombie variants with yellow shirts that run to you instead of walking, and they look more like they are from the alpha design-wise

[scenic stratus]

Hm

[scenic stratus]

Yeh my bad, not sure why I had 2005 on my mind

[honest lynx]

You don't see very many character models to begin with other than early game

[vernal crest]

"marine I'm gonna make sure you get no friends" - Betruger, probably

[wraith pumice]

the head model variety for the npcs aren't that big to the point that you can see several npcs with the same heads at the same time in the beginning level

[scenic stratus]

Yeh lol, saw few same faces with different names and uniforms, but as I said, a game is from 2004 so it's expected to see same models

[livid wharf]

There is a way to make demons not disappear on death by messing with some code stuff. IDK how though

[slim willow]

Swann's blocky ass head

[dull wigeon]

Commandos?
No thanks.
But I would love to see Hell Knights abs in detail. In fact is the most important reason of why D3 needs a model viewer and photo mode.

[livid wharf]

I just imagined a Hell Knight standing behind a casting couch and if I have to have that mental image so do you

[slim willow]

[supple gull]

Doom 3 had a lot of zombie variants.

[dull wigeon]

You just described my teen fantasies

[supple gull]

And the regular zombie had a variety of models which the new games lacked for some reason

[scenic stratus]

Zombies are a more prescient threat in 3 so they were given more attention because of that I’d imagine

They’re basically just ammo dumps in 2016/Eternal and the games are faster paced so why bother

[wraith pumice]

the ones using a chainsaw are my favourite

[vernal crest]

mhm, and that one who had a party hat on. it is both funny and sad

[wraith pumice]

also, there’s a Zombie variant that only appears once in the third level of the game

it was called Morgue Zombie I think

[honest lynx]

Jacked zombies

And those fire ones are cool

[wraith pumice]

hell (no pun intended), there’s like a million model variants for just the regular Zombie

[wraith pumice]

I remember watching a guy’s playthrough of the game and he thought the party hat was a horn

[livid wharf]

The party hat zombie always reminds me of the Arkham Asylum finale.

[wraith pumice]

I wish the demons didn't disappear the SECOND they die, their corpses would have stayed for some seconds then disappeared instead

[honest lynx]

There's a mod for that. It's kinda fun

[vernal crest]

forgot what it's called

[scenic stratus]

Soon....gonna experience horrors again...

[wraith pumice]

I should play the og xbox port, it looks cool

I have an xbox 360

[scenic stratus]

Well I bought it when it was a discount on ps store, by the looks of it I got the bfg edition, including both expansion packs, RoE and TLM

[wraith pumice]

the og xbox version gives you a lot less ammo apparently

[scenic stratus]

Oh I see

[supple gull]

On the plus side, some unique events are added, such as Campbell shooting an Arch-Vile with his BFG in Central Processing, and the guy in Delta Labs Sector 3 getting gunned down by a Z-Sec.

Also, the crawling Imp is used a few times.

[midnight thistle]

Yeah the bfg edition I think doubled ammo pickups or increased them by 50%

The xbox port is great

also a lot more creepy imo

they even went out of their way to add extra horror stuff

[honest lynx]

Bfg is soild for vr though

[supple gull]

Oh and the armor is a lot more useful in Xbox, something BFG Edition lacks.

[livid wharf]

Technically Doom 3 should be called Doom 4 for that reason

[supple gull]

Doom 64 felt more like the real Doom 2, which was more of an expansion pack to Doom 1

[livid wharf]

I’d disagree with that personally. Doom 1 and 2 have the same engine and reused many assets, but they have very different approaches to level design. Doom 1 is extremely mazy and claustrophobic while Doom 2 embraces arena combat for the first time (though it definitely still has mazes)

[scenic stratus]

Random but for me doom 3 gives me vibes of first alien movies. Like you're a person with a gun going through poorly lit areas with few demon fights, no idea what might come/jump at you nor you what might expect

[livid wharf]

Funny you say that. When Id developed Doom 1 they wanted it to be an Aliens game, but switched to demons when they couldn’t get the Aliens license

[scenic stratus]

Oh really?? Had no idea

[livid wharf]

Doom 3 is still pretty true to Doom and deserves its place in the series. It’s just that 64 also deserves to be acknowledged

[viral briar]

Nvidia RTX Remix is now available open source for everyone. Surely someone will raytrace DOOM 3? (original release)

[livid wharf]

Okay, but it was originally meant as a reboot, not a side story. The fact that later games went back to the original timeline is irrelevant

Also 95% of the current lore was written over a decade later

[scenic stratus]

Kinds makes sense that doom 3 is in alt timeline considering that demons look completely different from their previous counterparts, which reminds me of yesterday's fights against cacos while outside and worrying about my oxygen, good thing that there are some oxygen bottles laying around

[honest lynx]

Well its explained that hell is a universal constant so even in eternal doom 3 demons exist. They are just a different species or sub species. The alt time line thing only applies to outside of hell and other out of realm worlds absorbed

[boreal adder]

I thought that was a cool idea, that you've got, like, infinite possibilities in every universe except one

and of course the one absolutely stagnant place would have to be hell, because if it was allowed to have progress and possibilities it would probably stop being hell

[scenic stratus]

Ah.... well I'll try to understand that😅

[vernal crest]

basically almost every game is in a different universe, but every hell is connected

[scenic stratus]

Ah?

I think I understand

[vernal crest]

granted, multiverse has its ups and downs. Ups is the endless supply of creativity and its content, but the downside is that things which happened in the past universe will be almost irrelevant. Like there doesn't seem to be opportunity for the Slayer to recall times with Crash (who's criminally underrated in my opinion and deserved way more than just Q3) or how just.... waited to die in Doom 2

[covert valley]

tbh "different breeds" is a great way to allow them to create crazy new designs for demons

[rose field]

i want a hell farmer who cultivates and selectively breeds demons

imo it would make for a GREAT boss fight or level in a doom game to break into a sort of demon-breeding farm

[honest lynx]

Time travel things and multiverse stuff can always be super hit or miss. Usually miss for the most part

[vernal crest]

mhm

[covert valley]

why does that actually sound kinda cool

[rose field]

saving that for the wad i'm working on

[covert valley]

damn lmao

[rose field]

agreed

[covert valley]

shit can be wayyy too confusing

[slim willow]

That's why i feel like Betruger castle in Eternal was probably visited by him (if that would make sense?, idk)

[rose field]

multiverse stuff is really only good imo when it comes to making interesting alternate scenarios

[vernal crest]

imagine Betruger faking his death in ROE only for us to learn that he actually went to another universe and built a castle 💅

[slim willow]

Betruger gets himself a castle before getting clapped in RoE

[vernal crest]

he just wanted to see what it would be like to be a disney princess

[honest lynx]

He was some sort of hell lord so that makes sense

[vernal crest]

so Betruger basically girlbossed his way to the throne, respectable

[honest lynx]

For real

[wraith pumice]

man, just imagine the Doom 3 demons trying to fight the Slayer

not killing them would be a mercy for him

[slim willow]

Then there's Ishii Keep but idk how it connects since he wasn't in Hell

[vernal crest]

well, the demons in 3 behave almost the exact same way they behaved in 1 and 2 so, it's not gonna be much different for him

[vernal crest]

"The devil is REAL! I know, I built his castle."

[slim willow]

Id loves multiverse stuff

[vernal crest]

well, even with the Retro lore they were building this "ID Universe" or whatever which connected Doom with Quake, Commander Keen and Wolfenstein so

[inland lion]

yes, the lore of ID is very interesting

[vernal crest]

I find the Retro one more interesting, but it's maybe due to the fact that I don't care about the modern one to the point of me forgetting where in D2016 it was stated that it's a sequel to Doom 3

[craggy spruce]

Hi all.. Does anyone play Doom 3? I need at least 4 ppl to help me finish off the Multi Player Achievements :/

[vernal crest]

everyone ping doesn't work, and there should be some people that are playing the BFG Edition, but I ain't one of them

[scenic stratus]

I cant since I dont have the ps plus

[frosty holly]

Imagine it would work... 100k people get a ping because someone feels lonely...

[vernal crest]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-de-niro-finger-wag-you-point-smile-gif-17331927

[scenic stratus]

Then imagine the rage, no one would even want to play with them

[honest lynx]

I mean doom 3 cyber can't be killed unless it's with the cube

[vernal crest]

Slayer: "Oh fuck oh shit-"

[scenic stratus]

I'm getting more and more comfortable and sort of less scared to play doom 3, I feel progress

[honest lynx]

Oh ya ... you're beginning to believe..

[scenic stratus]

In what exactly?

[honest lynx]

It's a matrix reference. That's the first step eventually you'll be fast swapping headshotting and beating the game in 5 hours

[scenic stratus]

Lmao

I'm at 6 hour save

So maybe in 10 hours

[scenic stratus]

i just got to hell and I have to hold l3 to run this sucks my thumb hurt 😩

[slim willow]

So the patch didn't fix that

Awesome, 5gb of air

[honest lynx]

If only console had command prompts

[scenic stratus]

SHUT UP

Idk for me I just click l3 and it works for me

Yeh I said click, I just click once and I'm in sprint mode the whole time until I switch back to walking

[scenic stratus]

They’re somewhere in new Doom’s hell. We just never see them. Kind of like how the demons in 2016 and Eternal both co-exist although they look different between games

Ah?

I see

Which means Doom 3 Hell Knight is technically canon

Would like to see them return as weaker barons like how they were in Doom 2

[scenic stratus]

Doom 3 Cyber demon vs Slayer would be interesting since it’s impervious to firearms

Probably could be killed with a crucible

[honest lynx]

Ya I'm guessing it follows titan rules

[scenic stratus]

I think the real Doom 3 is the doom game with the number 3 in the title

I disagree

Take it up with John Carmack

It’s the 64th Doom game actually

Did you even read the title bro?

[fervent crest]

I think the real Doom 3 is Halo: Combat Evolved

[scenic stratus]

Perhaps

[livid wharf]

As far as numbering goes, the lore doesn’t matter. It really doesn’t

What matters is that Doom 3 was the third Doom game made by Id Software

[scenic stratus]

I sense seething

Destroyed

[livid wharf]

Prior to the current team, Id themselves really didn’t care about the lore

Also personal attacks are uncalled for

[scenic stratus]

I play Doom for the LORE

Imagine playing a game when you could just read demon codex’s amiright

[fervent crest]

I mean Doom 3 was made to basically be Doom 1 again in terms of story

this time with actual story and not just end text screens

[livid wharf]

Two things: first, my merits as a person are irrelevant to the merits of an argument I make, and second, in video games, gameplay is king. There’s nothing wrong with enjoying the lore but it’s secondary by the very nature of the medium

Ad hominim arguments are called a logical fallacy for a reason.

[scenic stratus]

I’m not a nerd

And I can’t read so

Sorry

[fervent crest]

I actually don't skip the PDA's in Doom 3, they contribute to the atmosphere of the game for me

the only locker codes I would look up are the FREE STUFF ones since you always had to look those up (although the initial website no longer exists)

[scenic stratus]

“im not owned! im not owned!!", i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into a corn cob.

[livid wharf]

The lore is written to suit the needs of the gameplay. I don’t especially care about the lore but I can still appreciate it being there. My main point is that arguing a game’s lack of place in the core series for lore reasons is nonsense as it ignores the realities of how each game is made

[scenic stratus]

If you want to get extra technical then Doom 3 is technically considered canon even if it doesn’t have much bearing on the overarching narrative of the series

[livid wharf]

Doom 64 was made by Midway, while every other official Doom game was made by Id. That matters more than what happens in the story, especially since the story is largely just whatever the current generation of Id says it is

[scenic stratus]

Thanks

Broke: Doom 3 is non canon
Woke: Every Doom that isn’t 1, 2, or 3 is glorified fanfiction

[livid wharf]

……what? I can’t tell if you misunderstood my point (Doom’s real story is the legacy of the people making the games even as the team roster changes over time) or if you’re arguing in bad faith. The prior ad hominem argument has kinda tainted any presumption of good faith claims

[scenic stratus]

Bro is acting smug over Doom lore

[livid wharf]

Bear in mind that one of the original Id owners literally said, “story in a video game is like story in a porno; you expect it to be there, but it’s not very important.” That owner, John Carmack, was involved with the series’ development until partway through 2016’s development

[scenic stratus]

The story is you kill lots of demons with lots of different guns

[livid wharf]

Even 2016 had nearly everything in the project set in place before any of the story was set up

[scenic stratus]

Lore brained nerds not being able to wrap their head around the concept of lore not always being that important to the experience of art! Many such cases.

[livid wharf]

He absolutely cares about what he makes. He’s definitely more programmer than artist but comparing him to Zuckerburg does him a massive disservice

[scenic stratus]

John has plenty of passion for his work. Just because he doesn’t show interest in writing a Silmarillion for his games doesn’t mean he’s corporate lol.

[livid wharf]

Also describing anyone from early Id as a “corporate type” demonstrates a lack of knowledge of Id’s actual history as an entity.

He absolutely created for passion. His main role was creating the engine, and he did it because he cares about improving the computer technology.

And it’s not like Romero cared about the story much either. It was mostly written to tie the rest of the game together.

[scenic stratus]

How is developing a one of a kind game that pushes the medium forward not an expression of creativity?

[livid wharf]

Also you conveniently ignore that Doom 1-2’s story in its entirety is shorter than a high school essay and was written by someone who joined Id in the last 2 months of Doom 1’s development

[scenic stratus]

dies of cringe

[livid wharf]

Whether people find it engaging is irrelevant. It’s never been the driving force of the series’ creation.
Also the implication that storytelling is somehow inherently more important than how a piece makes people feel or the advancement of technology is frustrating, as is this entire conversation. I have no more patience for your refusal to acknowledge logical reasoning in favor of emotional arguments with no rational standing. I’m going to find something better to do with my time. Have a nice day

[rose field]

that's...

not necessarily

in RPGs for example, you'd expect that a swordsman character described as the fastest warrior in the land would have fast-paced gameplay, but nope, the RPG is turn-based, strategic, and slow

if we're talking about "functionality", which is to provide an experience, then of course they coincide because everything in a video game or virtually all media is meant to provide an experience, except for those whose purpose is to be informative

that doesn't make doom 1 have good narrative, plot, or poetic drive

it "lit the spark" just by being successful enough to allow sequels with more detailed lore

[dire oriole]

https://i.imgur.com/YWVgLDE.jpg

[fiery sage]

Factual

[vernal crest]

not really

[rose field]

it's factual with games like doom, where the gameplay is what they've spent the majority of the development time on and is what people come to the game to expect

[covert valley]

why compare games and...that

[vernal crest]

because as Carmack said; "blah blah blah video games, blah blah blah pr0n"

[covert valley]

its two things that people are addicted to ig

[scenic stratus]

It’s an effective comparison lol

[coral solstice]

He went back on that statement years later

[covert valley]

what did he say

[scenic stratus]

They really have the word pron blacklisted okay

[coral solstice]

He said that story does matter in games now

Things have changed since the 90’s

[covert valley]

thats good

the quote shall be changed

"Story in a game is like a story in a movie. It's very important." - Modern John Carmack

[coral solstice]

I’d rather not peddle around something slightly infactual like that

I don’t have the specific tweet on hand tho

[scenic stratus]

Context which is given by a narrative is pretty important to enjoying and immersing yourself into a game, so I don’t agree with the “gameplay is the only thing that matters crowd”, but it ultimately depends on the experience the devs are trying to make.

[vernal crest]

truth

[rose field]

yeah, it depends

[scenic stratus]

Not reading allat

[wraith echo]

But they literally said that because they didn’t give a shit about story in doom 1 and 2

it’s there to hold the games together, that was all they made it for

doom 3 was the first to make story matter

[lethal gull]

someone playing multiplayer?

we need one person for 2 Deaths - 1 Gun achievement

[honest lynx]

It was basically just Carmack that believed story didn't matter. It's a quote that is used way to often to defend a point. Alot of dooms DNA is based off of dnd and aliens. Both are very narrative based. Not to mention the doom Bible which is all doom lore.

Half life definitely opened Carmacks eyes up I'm sure

[scenic stratus]

Definitely, since Doom 3 was heavily inspired by Half Life lol

[vernal crest]

I don't think so, but then again I know next to nothing about HL, and honestly so many people blindly comparing 3 to HL is making me wanna stay away. I'll just be over here listening to cheesy old man threaten me thanks

[scenic stratus]

It’s not a blind comparison it’s just true. Not really unique to Doom 3 since Half Life inspired a generation of games, but the parallels are pretty striking

Follows a similar formula to HL

[vernal crest]

from the comparisons I saw people making, most of them are just ignoring what the original Doom did. Like how in HL the shit went down from a teleporter, which happens in 3, but it also happened in the original Doom, the only difference in 3 being is that it wasn't just an accident

[honest lynx]

Ya that's the thing they miss. The whole invasion of a base through experiments is og doom so if you want to argue someone can go off on a rant about how half life copied orginal doom but just a more in depth story

[wraith pumice]

Administration is probably my favourite one of the game’s early levels

the Pinky Demon introduction is amazing

it jumps from a ramp, tries to break through a door but fails, then rams through the glass covering the office just to attack you

[honest lynx]

With the lion roar

[wraith pumice]

yeah

compared to other Doom games, the Pinky Demon is so underused in this game

not to mention there’s no any Spectres either

[vernal crest]

and we must remember the lesson that Pinky taught us: if one way doesn't work, try another

[scenic stratus]

Think this is missing the point. The concept of an alien invasion of a Sci-Fi base isn’t unique but Half Life doesn’t start you in the middle of the action, it builds up to it over a 10-20 minute introductory sequence. Doom 3 does the exact same thing.

One of Half Life’s biggest impacts on the industry was how it presented context for the conflict.

This isn’t a diss of Doom 3 btw I really like it’s opening

[honest lynx]

Well it's not missing the point you need to give classic doom credit for half life especially with gabes history. They just skip over it and say doom copied half life

I feel both have alot of DNA to share

[honest lynx]

Oh ya! I know! You're debating properly and with love. That's clear to see

Both games are titans

[icy bobcat]

I agree

100%

[vernal crest]

No, it just depends. Sure the game needs gameplay, but whenever the gameplay and the story are the focus depends on the team. That quote really did not age well, just look at how much Carmack spent the time on the games engine vs on the game itself (only giving voice to specialist Wilson)

[scenic stratus]

u lost me there at “but then again i know next to nothing about HL”

[scenic stratus]

100% considering it has a fricken monorail section

Like sure it has a Lab ur trapped in and gotta survive and escape. BUT WHY THE MONORAIL

IT WAS FRICKEN

1984

[vernal crest]

that also happened in the Classic Doom (hell, a lot of the levels in Doom 1 are either labs or labs with Hell's influence)

[scenic stratus]

who ever wanted a monorail section in doom 3 u deserve nothing less than the flames of hell

[scenic stratus]

Sure but i do think at an extent doom is nothing more than a “idea” rather than an actual written story

at least doom 1*

[vernal crest]

you can blame Carmack's quote on that, Doom 3 actually takes a shit ton from the bible, it's not Doom's fault that HL probably also took inspiration from the bible

[scenic stratus]

i dont think its Carmack’s fault for believing games dont need deep written stories

considering in the time there were limitations

like Marathon relied on terminals u had to read

and half life just had scripted real time game events that was what made it so influential nowdays

[vernal crest]

true, but still, they still had a story they wanted to tell, but they just couldn't

[scenic stratus]

and now its just unskippable cutscenes

[vernal crest]

that's the BFG Edition, plus someone did try to make a mod for it, if you want to count that

[scenic stratus]

the way i see it if Doom 3. was more focused on the actual invasion making it feel like one id enjoy it

cause ur a marine who just has an unlucky day and oop scientist starts saying the devil is real or somethin.

[vernal crest]

the first bit is kinda focused on the invasion, unless you mean how the earth was never invaded

[scenic stratus]

no i mean the first bit

[vernal crest]

that's also DoomGuy's situation, the difference being that he just didn't experience the beginning of the invasion

[scenic stratus]

its more so how empty the UAC labs are cause ur basically treated as the last one alive and everyone else is dead but u do find some people

u get to see some people die and etc.

But i feel like its not enough to make me feel the labs are populated

In Half life like every scientist u meet is in some kind of danger

[scenic stratus]

Doom 1 had a monorail?

ur giving me ptsd

I will say I do love Doom 3’s world

[vernal crest]

no, I was talking about being trapped in the labs

[scenic stratus]

Yeah that isn’t unique to HL nor why the comparisons are made. How doom 3 is structured and presents its narrative are why they’re compared.

[vernal crest]

I never really saw them as empty since, well, there were bodies everywhere

[scenic stratus]

fun fact Aliens released 1986 so like thats why i said doom’s story is nothing more than a concept already made

[vernal crest]

mhm

[scenic stratus]

its just that Half life actually had a story

a real time story

Doom 3 has plenty of text/audio logs and pieces of environmental storytelling that really add to the atmosphere

[vernal crest]

well, even the final games did have a bit of story like, the demons just.... fuckin kidnapping the rest of humanity in the spaceship, DoomGuy avenging Daisy, and literally waiting to die...

[scenic stratus]

Hearing workers talk about the weird disturbances across the base is so cool

[vernal crest]

yeah, 3 definitely did it's worldbuilding better than Eternal. Mostly from the fact that shit isn't just straight up told to you, but it is very hinted in a good way. Dunno how to explain it exactly

[scenic stratus]

Kind of like dead space where the build up is more interesting than the invasion itself

[vernal crest]

well Dead Space was inspired by 3

[scenic stratus]

thought it was RE4.

and every alien movie ever

Mainly RE4

But I’m sure it took inspiration from alot of media

then again everyone takes inspiration from Alien

Yeah

[vernal crest]

I remember when someone here commented about someone other who said that "DS is like if D3 and RE4 had a baby"

[honest lynx]

Eternal has a ton of lore. Issue is its shit

[vernal crest]

well, DS did come 4 years after 3 so

[vernal crest]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-factos-gif-24924684

[scenic stratus]

Most of it’s told to the player through codex logs though

[honest lynx]

I mean more so over complicating a story about fucking hell up

[vernal crest]

well, I didn't say that Eternal didn't have any (and honestly, I wish it didn't), I was saying that 3 did it's worldbuilding and delivering of the lore way better

[honest lynx]

Simple can be very good

[scenic stratus]

I have a few issues with written story telling

its the basic fact that these are an option and the player has the choice to not read it

and stay totally oblivious

Eh with how the lore is presented it’s easy to just ignore

[honest lynx]

I'm sure 80 percent of people did

[scenic stratus]

Codex logs that add some backstory to demons aren’t important to the game

It’s a extra treat for people who care

u dont wanna force the story down a player but u also want them engage.

Thats why half life in game story telling to me is genius cause everything happens without pausing the experience

[honest lynx]

I love eternal by the way. Just think the story could have been better. Simplified

[scenic stratus]

I do like a lot of new dooms hell backstory and how that ties back to the older games

[vernal crest]

mmmm that's only if they don't care and just wanna shoot demons, plus PDA's don't always have lore in them

[scenic stratus]

Yeah but considering this is doom I had no expectations of it being good lol

[scenic stratus]

the thing is u’d be surprise majority people dont wanna read

[honest lynx]

When your fps games story is more complicated than the silmarillion there's an issue

[scenic stratus]

At least Eternal didn’t have forced Samuel monologues

[vernal crest]

kinda weird considering I see a lot of people reading PDA's more than do read the Codex

[scenic stratus]

as a destiny player i am obligated to skip every big ass paragraph on my screen

[vernal crest]

true, but it came at the cost of his whole character apparently 😭

[scenic stratus]

Got retconned into a seraphim or some shit

His true form looks like handsome squidward to me

[honest lynx]

Yee

[scenic stratus]

the thing is there will always be people that dont and u gotta find a compromise that supports both sides

gatekeeping is fine but gatekeeping a story is different when it plays an integral part to the game

[vernal crest]

well Eternal (at least in concept) did an alright job with cutscenes and such

granted, no one can win when you try to make something for both people that want lore, and people that just wanna play

[scenic stratus]

Because they are actual emails. They are not essays lmao. I've read a few codex parts and stuff, but stopped as they became bigger

[honest lynx]

Rip George pootah

[scenic stratus]

People nowadays have short attention span

Including me

[vernal crest]

lel

[scenic stratus]

my friend has adhd so he aint gonna read a wall of text on destiny explaining “Guardian, u made poopoo in ur pants”

I don't wanna come off as rude, but I didn't come to read books in the game, I came to kill demons, not read

Imagine not playing doom for the L O R E

[honest lynx]

Yup which is why I make all my videos for shorts now. Otherwise you do a full sigil playthrough on nightmare and kids only watch for 30 seconds

[scenic stratus]

playing cod for the lore

Well I like lore but boy they could've shorten it

Gougaru’s 1 minute doom lore vids

I play cod for the story

[scenic stratus]

Yeh I see

LOL

[honest lynx]

https://youtube.com/shorts/4mRfWf7zNWA?feature=share

[honest lynx]

It's usually stupid things like this

[scenic stratus]

Gougaru’s 1 minite lore vid abt the archville

“The archville is stupid i hate him and he spawns weird demons hes like the white girl that everyone crushes on, i hate him”

[vernal crest]

but.... people consider shorts cringe....

[scenic stratus]

Shorts get tons of views

Just add a 2d anime girl people will watch

[honest lynx]

It is cringe and so is tic tok but people love it or I wouldn't do it

Numbers don't lie

[scenic stratus]

Depends which platform and what type of content you watch

Not all shorts are bad anyways

Although most of them are low effort. Fucking hate the powerscaling shorts too.

use r34 doom images but crop out the innappropriate stuff and use for clickbait @honest lynx

[honest lynx]

I think punching a imp in the face is good content

[honest lynx]

Hahahaha evil

[vernal crest]

and here I am going "aw hell no I don't wanna make shitty shorts I'll just upload a short video"

[vernal crest]

so many people did it as a shitpost

[honest lynx]

Shorts got me 120 subs I'm 2 weeks

[scenic stratus]

My deleted playlist of halo lore vids i did 2 years ago

I cant make myself to watch a 5 min educational video but I can watch a 25 min episode

[vernal crest]

lucky you

[honest lynx]

I used to legit upload full playthroughs of doom like records and shit. No one watched or is they did it was for 20 seconds. So now I make super cut videos of all action then chop that video up into a dozen shorts and there we go

Not doom 3 but ill give one more example

https://youtu.be/fqHnXEZbnlo

This video I can chop up make a ton of shorts and get way more views and subs

[vernal crest]

lol

welp, I learned a new strat

[scenic stratus]

a retro remaster of classic doom now sounds cool

[honest lynx]

It honestly sucks ass man but just the times we re in. Kids don't even read anymore

[scenic stratus]

https://youtu.be/PCDPIrqZ2GU

[scenic stratus]

if u seen boltgun trailer this is what i mean

[vernal crest]

mhm, like I wanna either make silly shit that lasts about 5 mins or animatics. But I guess another way to get it to get views is to upload a clip of it as a short after the full thing is uploaded

[honest lynx]

Any video above 5 minutes without constant action will have a veiwtime drop. I've looked at the numbers and talked with other youtubers

Even decino who's a friend of mine

[vernal crest]

fuckin kids

[wraith pumice]

holy shit man

you are friends with the biggest Doom youtuber ever

well, I'm friends with him on steam

[honest lynx]

I have like no friends in steam hahaha

[young portal]

Is doom 3 hard?

[honest lynx]

Only on nightmare

[vernal crest]

well I'm always up for friending people I know on Steam so, if you're up for it

[honest lynx]

Sure man

I'm gougaru on steam

[vernal crest]

sorry, can't find ya

[honest lynx]

Just dm me your steam name I'll add when I'm home

[vernal crest]

my Steam account is on my Discord profile so you can add it from there

[scenic stratus]

Problem, bought miles morales but still gotta finish doom 3

[vernal crest]

finish it and then move onto the next game

[scenic stratus]

Yeh ik, just that I've always wanted to play miles

[vernal crest]

if you feel like playing miles than go adead, the thought of playing it might distract you during your playthrough of 3

[scenic stratus]

Yeh, I'll finish doom then play miles as I planned

[wraith pumice]

just imagine how awesome it would be if decino made a walkthrough of Doom 3

well, he said it's ''too boring'', so that will never happen

[slim willow]

Decino mid

Jk

I used to watch his content but not really anymore

I was looking at the multiplayer again and i'm surprised it didn't have 6v6 and 8v8 considering the size of the maps

[wraith pumice]

imagine hearing this:

''Greetings everyone, and welcome to my 100% walkthrough of Doom 3 on veteran difficulty. This is level 1, Mars City''

[vernal crest]

Lol

[scenic stratus]

Decino’s Doom 3 takes are bad but otherwise he’s cool

Just think….as long as you don’t go find that scientist, you can just chill and hang out. Avoid the whole thing.

[slim willow]

Real

[scenic stratus]

If it wasn’t for the demons the Mars base doesn’t seem like an awful place to live

Just hope you’re not picked for the experiments

[livid wharf]

Even before the invasion the whole base was a workplace safety nightmare. The UAC is definitely relieved that OSHA doesn’t have jurisdiction in space. In fact that may be why they decided to do the experiments on Mars in the first place

[scenic stratus]

I remember engineers mentioning how they hate underground? One even welcoming me ....uhhh some negative name he used?

[livid wharf]

Probably grunt. I don’t remember for sure

[scenic stratus]

Eh guess so, although not sure did they mean juat thr place or because of the whispers

[still apex]

yall are psychopaths

[scenic stratus]

Are you complimenting us?

[scenic stratus]

Ishimura type beat

There’s a chance I’ll die horribly while fixing something or be experimented on by Betruger but there’s the novelty factor

[livid wharf]

There’s a bunch of stuff like stacks of boxes and floor gaps and the like that realistically would be a major safety hazard for no real reason

[ruby charm]

thats a bad thing to call people who play doom

[rose field]

were you born in 2009

[still apex]

mhm

[wraith pumice]

Pinky Demons be like

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9VTDUfxCYxU&pp=ygUPbGlvbiByb2FyIHNvdW5k

[wraith pumice]

I feel like this game is pretty much lost media at this point

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0CL0kpUU7fA&pp=ygURZG9vbSByZXN1cnJlY3Rpb24%3D

[honest lynx]

Basically ya. I think its still available on ios

[normal gazelle]

The main sound track is fire

[dire oriole]

https://twitter.com/quiettomato/status/1370245498368528385

qt (@QuietTomato)

doom 3 shambler

Likes

801

Twitter · Mar 12, 2021, 5:29 AM

[rose field]

sick

[vernal crest]

just like Doom RPG's

[slim willow]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Gur8frsEWK0?feature=share

[slim willow]

APKs exist

[normal gazelle]

https://youtu.be/rs0cSUIKKew

Its good

[slim willow]

[scenic stratus]

more like the Hunkler

jesus christ hes THICC

[young portal]

Did the lost mission or the resurrection of evil came first

Doom 3 -> resurrection of evil -> lost mission
Or
Doom 3 ->lost mission -> resurrection of evil

[vernal crest]

ROE came first, since TLM came with the BFG Edition, but TLM takes place during the main game, while ROE is almost 2 years later

[young portal]

Ok so campaing -> roe -> tlm ?

Im going to play using release dates

[vernal crest]

mhm

[young portal]

K

[vernal crest]

imagine being a scientist, spending days and nights with other scientists in Delta trying to discover this cube, and still not knowing what it does when it's fully charged. Only for the cube to then just outright tell a tall dude basically everything, from what it is, what it does, ext.

also, I guess that just.... every human in 3 is tall

[scenic stratus]

And look remarkably similar to each other

[vernal crest]

well, it is 2000's game

[slim willow]

A remake could make every NPC unique

[vernal crest]

true, but again I'm not exacly up for a REmake, I'd much rather have a proper sequel, would've liked to see 3 rewrite the "demons kidnaped the entirety of humanity into a spaceship"

[slim willow]

[wraith pumice]

here's something that I think is obvious: the Imp's sounds in this game are stock sound effects

I heard them in a Star Wars game

[livid wharf]

The original Doom has a ton of stock sound effects.

[vernal crest]

sad truth

but they are still memorable

[scenic stratus]

Yeah they’re great

[honest lynx]

🐪

The real imp

[vernal crest]

me who plays with Trent's soundpack only because of commando's quotes: very true

[scenic stratus]

doom 3 suckt

[spice patrol]

no doom 3 is the goat

[livid wharf]

I think Doom 3 is weaker than the other titles but it’s still solid. Mostly I wish we got big fights more often. On the other hand my most recent experience with it was BFG Edition where that’d significantly worse than normal

[scenic stratus]

The changes in the BFG edition are baffling

Muzzle flashes being removed and the flashlight being apart of every gun are two of the worst changes

[livid wharf]

I actually like the flashlight thing fine. It’s mostly the reduced enemy count that bothers me

[scenic stratus]

I know most people prefer the convenience of it but I’m a bigger fan of having to strategically use the flashlight in darker environments. Adds to to atmosphere and tension.

Should’ve been an optional feature in the BFG edition at least

[thorn cosmos]

my only gripe with Doom 3 is that it takes all your guns away twice

[scenic stratus]

Doom fans were used to it at that point

[thorn cosmos]

in doom 1 it sort of made sense with the game being divided into episodes

[livid wharf]

That’s fair. I’d say both approaches have merits. More than anything there’s just too much dead time in Doom 3 that would be better served with combat, and a lot of encounters were just one demon instead of 5 like it should have been.

I really like the inventory reset thing, but I do wish they were done more evenly

[scenic stratus]

Doom 3 is special to me because it takes the concept of demonic invasion of a immersive environment and really commits to making it unsettling. There’s nothing else out there that’s like it I know of.

Maybe Doom 64 but it’s pretty different imo

[livid wharf]

Most of my gripes basically come down to “I wish Doom 3 made exciting combat more of a priority”

At some point I want to do a Doom 3 campaign mod that has much more frequent and much more frantic combat. Probably adjust the weapons and player abilities to make sure Doomguy has the tools to overcome

[scenic stratus]

I don’t really play doom 3 for fast paced and exciting combat but it could probably do with a few more enemies. Definitely one of the easiest Doom games on the highest difficulty.

Also didn’t know BFG edition lowered enemy spawns

What’s up with that

[livid wharf]

No idea why, but some entire fights are missing

[vernal crest]

eh, by that logic 3 should take your guns away everytime you exit the level and enter into another. If people got used to that with Doom 1, then having your weapons taken away in 3 is basically a child'splay ||not to mention the master levels but I'm still suffering whenever I remember most of them||

[wraith pumice]

they removed that entire green forest section in ROE’s Hell level

ROE in general is fucked up really bad in the BFG Edition

they went as far as removing entire setpieces

the hazmat suit section is entirely ruined, you now go through the waste normally

[vernal crest]

truly as evil as hell

anyone know what picture they were referring to here?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051217998771408967/1098281449649610872/Screenshot_2023_04_19-19.png

[wraith pumice]

in regards to the BFG Edition, I don't see the point of making the game easier or changing just about anything

the original game was already easy to begin with

the BFG Edition should have been just a direct port of the og version to 7th generation consoles

[scenic stratus]

Agreed

Bfg devs must’ve had it out for doom 3 because there’s no justifiable reason to botch it that bad

[slim willow]

Where is this from?

[vernal crest]

the making of Doom 3 book, a friend who has it sent me the whole thing through Google Drive

[slim willow]

Oh

[scenic stratus]

Why do you want the sauce

[vernal crest]

who of us are you referring to?

[vernal sail]

As someone who wants to get the Steam Doom bundle, is Doom 3 the BFG edition?

What about the Switch versión?

My only beef with BFG E was it's load times on PS3.

But other than that Indont think I found any issue. (I didn't play much of the original)

[vernal crest]

If it's not for PC, it's the BFG Edition

On Steam the og Doom 3 and the BFG Edition are sold together

[scenic stratus]

Nice

Glad they didn’t take og doom 3 off steam

[vernal sail]

Oh nice. So if I get it on Steam I get to choose the version on startup or something?

[vernal crest]

Mhm, what's better is that Doom 3, ROE and the BFG Edition don't have to be installed together when you buy it, so you can completely choose to not install BFG Edition

[vernal sail]

Oh cool.
And are the maps od ROE available for OG Doom 3?

[vernal crest]

Mhm, the content wasn't cut from the OG ROE

[vernal crest]

You get them all, but you do get to choose whenever you'll install og 3, og ROE, and the BFG Edition or not

[vernal sail]

Ah for some reason I thought ROE was made for BFG.

[vernal crest]

Nope, that's the Lost Mission, ROE was the original Expansion pack for Doom 3

[scenic stratus]

You can get a mod for classic Doom 3 that adds in the lost missions

So you’re not missing out on anything

[honest lynx]

Better way to experience it anyways

[viral briar]

They could have backported the OG DOOM 3 to modern consoles existing alongside the BFG Edition, maybe refer it as DOOM 3 (2004), DOOM 3 (Classic) or something.

It’d be the original release as-is.

[scenic stratus]

Problem is the OG Doom 3 console port has a lot of issues. Mainly cut down levels, and not moving ammo from the cut areas. Thus a major lack of ammo the entire game.

[viral briar]

The cuts were made due to Xbox version’s limitations, but I’m sure today’s consoles may be able to handle the 2004 PC version of DOOM 3 flawlessly.

[scenic stratus]

True.

[viral briar]

They could make DOOM 3 the same deal as in the Steam version: package of three games in one. In this case, it would be: the original 2004 release, RoE from 2005 and the 2019 re-release.

[scenic stratus]

That’s a great idea but no one’s going to spend money on porting the original release faithfully unfortunately.

[honest lynx]

Bfg damn you

[vernal crest]

Big Fucking Bummer

[scenic stratus]

Doom 3: Bfg edition

Doom 3: Being Fucking Gross

[idle compass]

man i really wanna get doom 3

[vernal crest]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-dewit-gif-11426456

[fresh dew]

Why do people hate on doom 3

Its a good game

[scenic stratus]

True

[vernal crest]

it's mostly modern "fanboys" (as I and some call them) that hate on it because it's not a super fast paced action where you're a badass (expect you are a badass)

any arguments I've seen so far have been so easy to debunk if I got a penny every time I could I would be able to afford a gothic vampire mansion on a top of a hill

[scenic stratus]

Doom 3 reminds me a little of half life

[vernal crest]

well Half Life is like Classic Doom but with a story so

[scenic stratus]

Yeah that’s because it was heavily inspired by it

Which I don’t blame Id for because Half Life was huge at the time

[vernal crest]

there's some elements from it, but 3 uses more "inspiration" from Doom's original bible

[covert valley]

depends on person to person if it was successful

[vernal crest]

not really, if something makes a lot of money/sales, then it's successful

[scenic stratus]

True

No it isn’t just elements Doom 3 is structured very similarly to Half Life. Without Half Life we wouldn’t have doom 3.

[vernal crest]

yeah no we would, there just wouldn't be those "Half Life" elements that 3 had.

[scenic stratus]

You know what I meant

Doom 3 as we know it

[vernal crest]

hell, some levels in 3 are recreations of classic Doom levels

[scenic stratus]

Super turbo turkey puncher 3

[vernal crest]

by Nabcom, actually that makes me wonder if Capcom ever acknowledged that reference in any of their games

[honest lynx]

Probably not

[vernal crest]

shame

[viral briar]

As someone who played classic DOOM then the modern ones beforehand, DOOM 3 is a good game.

And can we talk about how satisfying the plasma gun reload is?

[coral solstice]

damn right

[strange valve]

Hell yeah. Music to my ears every time.

[honest lynx]

Biggest sin is when I played a mod that changed it.. absolutely why..

[supple gull]

Specialist Wilson seemed to enjoy it as well.

[viral briar]

Fun fact that I’m pretty sure everyone has known: parts of the reloading sound would later be sampled in DOOM 2016 for the Gauss Cannon when you change mods!

[steady yoke]

I did not know that… I’m actually ashamed I did not notice that

[viral briar]

I bought an OG Xbox with DOOM 3!

[scenic stratus]

Doom 3 has some wild ports

Not as memorable as Dead Rising or Re4’s ports but still

Og Xbox, BFG edition, and the mobile game

[wraith pumice]

it's really funny that most versions of the game have so much ammo that it's impossible to run out of ammo for about any weapon, while in the xbox port since most ammo pickups are removed, you barely get any ammo

makes the game feel more like survival horror as a result

[viral briar]

Mobile game wasn’t a straight-on port, if you are referring to DOOM Resurrection.

[scenic stratus]

I know it isn’t a direct port in the same way the dead rising mobile game isn’t, but it’s worth mentioning anyways

[supple gull]

And the armor is a lot more useful.

[honest lynx]

Mods that make armor actually work really increases the fun of nightmare

[livid wharf]

Oh yeah armor in Doom 3 is kinda lacking. What percent of damage is it even absorbing? 20%?

[supple gull]

Yup, that's the exact amount

[livid wharf]

That’s kind of pathetic

Yeah I’m putting that on my “things to fix in my campaign mod” list

[vernal crest]

as someone that purposefully took damage for something I wanted to edit, I can confirm this

[livid wharf]

Armor tanking 50% feels like the right value

[vernal crest]

well it is an armor for civilians, not marines

[dire crystal]

I changed armor absorption to 50% and max armor carried to 50 and it felt the best. It gives you protection but not too much and can easily deplete if you stop scavenging armor plates

[acoustic acorn]

doomwiki says 30 % in one page and 20 % on another

[wraith pumice]

hear me out:

Doom 3's combat is fun

[coral solstice]

yeah

[honest lynx]

It definitely is. Especially when you start quick swapping

[wraith pumice]

quickswapping in Doom 3 sounds cursed

[viral briar]

um wrong game?

[honest lynx]

Nope

It's doom 3