classic-doom

[dapper flint]

Some do

Very common name

And doom 4 being doom 2016

[last flower]

greetings my fellow 1993 doom gamers

i think we all play doom 1993 cuz our PC is too shit to handle doom eternal

[tacit remnant]

I play Eternal on PS4. OG Doom to Doom 3 on PC

[timid hinge]

Wrong

[tacit remnant]

I play OG Doom because it rocks

[finite crag]

[grim pollen]

Or play em both but come back to cozy classic doom after a long journey because no infinite content in Doom Eternal 😦

[tacit remnant]

Yeah. I need a level editor for Eternal so I can make unique levels that flip Eternal’s gameplay on its head. Also to see the insanity Eternal’s veterans come up with

[grim pollen]

Eventually late into doom 2016 I checked out the snapmaps and damn there is a bunch of cool maps. Fleshed out a little more and not such a hassle to get into it there was some real potential but omg swapping from SP or MP to the snapmap option took plain forever to load. I understand why they backed off from it but still can dream 😦

[cloud talon]

Its called doom

[royal heron]

imagine custom slaughtermaps for Doom Eternal, now that'd be a treat

[finite crag]

Anyone wanna do some co-op on gzdoom

[finite crag]

gzdoom multiplayer?

[dapper flint]

Super wrong

[finite crag]

bored you wanna play some zdoom multiplayer on doom 2

[tacit remnant]

I don’t think most computers could handle Eternal slaughtermaps.

[finite crag]

plus if it was past mars core

just bfg the crap outta the thing

[tacit remnant]

If it’s a classic mode level (Master Level option) the mapper could just withhold the BFG. Also even the BFG can’t oneshot most superheavy demons

The main problem is that Eternal can’t handle more than (IIRC) 30 demons at once

[finite crag]

shouldn't we be talking in #doom-eternal

[tacit remnant]

Yeah probably

[finite crag]

anyone wanna co op brutal doom?

[gray warren]

Does anyone know if the classic dooms will get a remaster similar to quake?

[runic obsidian]

hope not

[gray warren]

Why not

[runic obsidian]

wasnt a fan of the quake remaster, it looks cursed without its original graphics so i just made everything original anyways

[gray warren]

Oh well. At least the original is still playable. I for one love the remaster

[runic obsidian]

as long as you enjoy it then zero judgement from me, i just personally was not a fan

[azure nimbus]

played first nine maps of sunlust so far. It is gorgeous and dare I say approachable (also pretty proud of myself for finding most of the secrets). I'm sure it ramps up later, but the first several maps are doable for a lot of doomers imo

[lost thunder]

e1 is self-described as being reasonable for most players on UV

i'd personally agree, though it definitely has its fair share of tricky bits

it's my favorite episode of any pwad i've ever played though. has perfect flow and comes together beautifully

[vast reef]

ew

that's not true at all

well, i can't run doom eternal, but tons of people still play classic doom even with PCs that can handle eternal

[gusty falcon]

I imagine that even if I had a computer that could play the game I Still wouldn't get it

Because the file size is too large for one game

[vast reef]

100GB is very big but reasonable for a game like this

[gusty falcon]

No its not reasonable for any game imo

[vast reef]

it could have been larger

i think

[gusty falcon]

Yes but the thing is is it doesn't even need to be that big

[vast reef]

enlighten me

[gusty falcon]

The only thing that's making it that large are the insane texture and asset sizes

The switch port prove that there can be an option for a smaller version of the game with all the base game content and even the dlc

[vast reef]

i see

i've seen gameplay of the switch port and the only thing that seems off about it is the lighting tbh

[gusty falcon]

And unlike the switch on PC the frame rate wouldn't need to be sacrificed to get it that Small

[lost thunder]

large file sizes are also a deliberate tactic used by some studios to keep you playing the game because of the pain of having to reinstall it if you remove it

[vast reef]

interesting

[lost thunder]

most AAA game sizes are a product of laziness or disregard, ie: "internet speeds are faster on average, we don't have to compress like we used to"

[gusty falcon]

Yeah that's another reason why my size limit on games is about 50 gigs if it's larger than that I pass I don't care how good the game is

[lost thunder]

Eternal alone is taking up 1/5 of my secondary drive (94 out of 500 GB) lol

[gusty falcon]

It's not worth waiting forever to install and it's not worth keeping on my device if I can get 5 smaller games for that much space that actually do respect hard drive space

I'd rather have 5 to 10 great retro shooters

[vast reef]

largest game i have rn is probably minecraft at 1.5 gb

[gusty falcon]

Than one huge triple a one

[vast reef]

that's actually a good choice imo

[lost thunder]

my 2nd highest after Eternal is Elden Ring, which is ~50gb

[gusty falcon]

Yeah I'll get more play out of them and they'd be easier to rotate out if I need to rotate installs

Even from soft respects hard disk space

Damn

Largest I have is ni no kuni remastered at 50 exactly

And that game was a special case because I wanted to have both the ds and console versions of that particular game because of how different they are

The ds version actually came first too which made me even more curious

[lost thunder]

i remember the other size discrepancy thing that absolutely stunned me was when i saw that Halo 2 is like 2-3x the size of every other halo game in the master chief collection lol

22gb vs like 8-10

oh i misremembered

it's 29, lol. with another 27 for the multiplayer component

[signal widget]

no classic only uh future

[tacit remnant]

I have made it to the Icon of Sin. I hate the Icon of Sin

[last flower]

Well maybe both

[last flower]

Both perhaps

I meant "most of us"

[last flower]

Tho that " ew" was hilarious

[young pond]

DOOM Ray Traced Mod | E3M7 Gate to Limbo https://youtu.be/gXYi5syny5c

[wise notch]

Abbatoire more like Abbatoilet

i hate this map especially the ending

[past field]

so I just discovered that gzdoom supports literally any midi soundfont and now I cant stop downloading midi soundfonts

[wise notch]

my god i finally beat abbatoire

now its time for onslaught

because im beating plutonia currently

[azure nimbus]

thoughts on how hard secrets are in sunlust? Either they're easier or I"ve just gotten better at finding secrets: the vast majority, I've found on my own

[vast reef]

secrets are easier to find than in doom 1 and 2 imo

although i've only played the first 3 maps because i suck at doom

[azure nimbus]

Did the first 11 so far. I think you could pull it off, at least the first episode

[dapper flint]

They definitely are because those secrets in some times can make or break a run

Very forgiving

[past field]

good luck.

[serene viper]

Man doom 2 would have been perfect without downtown

[vivid vine]

I'm not sure Downtown is even in my bottom 5

[serene viper]

Like the level itself isnt even that hard its just annoying

simply because its hard to figure out what to do

[dapper flint]

Arrow

[serene viper]

What

[wise notch]

there is like one in the entire level

at the beggining

[dapper flint]

Yep

[royal heron]

Eternal at launch was about 37gb or something iirc, but it was definitely way smaller

The size increased as master levels, skins, DLC, and updates came along

[wise notch]

Hunted is not evil because they close you in a maze with arch-viles, but it's evil because doors open randomly and i most of the time had no idea where to go to progress

in fact arch-viles are piss easy to kill if you just have cover, and in a maze there is a ton of cover

and i took the death exit to get 100% kills, failed, and now i start map12 "speed" with 8 hp lmao

good thing i save-stated

[gusty falcon]

Yeah now its fucking 90

[dapper flint]

Plus is nice though ( solo net) I find fast nerfs archies

[vivid vine]

The doors aren't random, there are triplines everywhere

[vast reef]

i got lost at the very end of the third map and because i refuse to swallow my pride i didn't search for a walkthrough

my navigation's terrible irl and in video games

[vocal summit]

who decided it was a good idea to put a cyberdemon in tnt map01

[cloud talon]

On multiplayer

[dapper flint]

Solo net

[proud pilot]

this just in: i do not like map22 of japanese community project

it's fine up until the end with all the running up and down stairs and pressing switches and everything's over lava and there's no radiation suits because i used them earlier because i didn't know i would NEED them later and several archviles at once and. oh my god. such a slog
i made a savegame where i just skipped through the entire thing and went to the next level in the event i want to give up

[dapper flint]

Sounds like a get good issue champ

[royal heron]

my dude wasting resources is not a doom thing to do

even if there seems to be a surplus, save.

example, if you have 42 shells and a box of shells in front of you, better to spend 12-20 shells instead of picking it up right away, the 8 shells you've wasted is 4 shots from a super shotgun, enough to take down an archvile

[vivid vine]

I got curious enough to check Dean of Doom as a scouter for its power level and the difficulty was B- while the radiation suits I saw in the footage were practically on pedestals next to the lava

I need to continue my pistol start running sometime

Last I remember I was doing Base Ganymede

[pure relic]

it actually was a good idea because you can shoot him through the wall and he can't shoot you lmao

better than an empty room with just you and the cyberdemon

[azure nimbus]

found out to day that -fast monsters breaks the spectral caco from eviternity. If he's close to you, it'll just... vibrate and perpetually shriek

I've played three mapsets with a rocket shooting hellknight looking guy: Eviternity has one: is a dehacked baron with 1100 health. He shoots one standard rocket and then a flurry of chaingun fire. He is not immune to blast damage(so he can fight others of his kind from either attack). Since he is a dehacked baron, he is immune to hell knight projectiles. But hell knights are not immune to his splash damage or hitscan(though they are immune to the direct projectile damage from the rocket).

Valiant uses a dehacked spiderdemon for its 500 health cybruiser. iirc, he has blast resistance and shoots a single regular rocket.

Heartland is Eternity engine only so doesn't need to replace stuff in dehacked. He's immune to splash, 500 health, and shoots 3 lower damage rockets. Any takes on which is best?
Heartland also has a zombie that shoots rockets.

[finite crag]

lol

[royal heron]

[tacit remnant]

Fun idea: object (like explosive barrels) that gives fast monsters to all monsters in range in a similar way to Eternal’s buff totem but not considered an enemy itself. That or maybe a sector function that does this. This way you could have fast monsters in specific rooms on all difficulties and the player just has to deal with it.

If fast monsters is already enabled then it cranks the aggression up even further somehow

[vivid vine]

I once had an idea of allowing monsters to Devil Trigger in that each individual one had a floating timer above their head and if you let it become zero it would become a pentagram and they would get buffs like immunity to flinching, with the timer being different for each monster

[royal heron]

tbh I only see that ever being possible in GZDoom, if that's even possible at all

[azure nimbus]

maybe something with xdeath state? Maybe the super barrel does so much damage that it gibs surroudning enemies -- but dehacked magic has the gibbed monster being strong? Idk if that's even doable

[royal heron]

Possible maybe

[vast reef]

with brutal doom monsters it vibrates and shrieks but still tries to get closer

when it gets close it starts doing aoe damage

[proud pilot]

true tbh. i'm decent at some playstyles but not the one the map requires yet
butttt the only way to get better is by trying. i think i can make it through with the power of savegames

[vast reef]

will you do a redemption run where you beat it saveless

[proud pilot]

i never waste ammo i fuck up with radiation suits sometimes though

• i try to avoid health pickups til i'm at least around the 40-50 mark

[proud pilot]

someday. i'm good at the maps i'm good at because of hours of grinding so i think it's possible with jpcp

[vast reef]

nice

[proud pilot]

i might do a normal doom ii run saveless first though lmAO

[vast reef]

good luck on all your future doom runs

[proud pilot]

thank you kindly
i do still have my inferno saveless run to do too 🤔

it should be fine bc i've played the maps a billion times i just never got around to it

[vast reef]

you've all probably already seen this but i think it's a useful guide
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107015-wad-progression-for-skill-improvement/

[cosmic pagoda]

decided to play a bit of plutonia, love it that every damn time I havent played it for a while I forget about the damn trap in map01

the one before the ssg room

such an evil trap

I somehow keep forgetting about it

[azure nimbus]

there are a couple that make no sense(sunder before sunlust is a joke imo) but if you follow it, maybe being a bit picky for quality, it's a good set.

[tropic karma]

Anyone else appreciate the comic book?

[young pond]

DOOM Ray Traced Mod | E3M8 Dis https://youtu.be/KrJ7w3KL7OM

[wise notch]

The twilight by far the hardest level in plutonia

there are revenants everywhere i look and everywhere i dont look

and the respawning chaingunners?

holy sh

[finite crag]

I like how the pain elementals are called meatballs

[vast reef]

agreed

[violet sundial]

I would eat a pain elemental

[weak belfry]

Me too

[dapper flint]

No worries you got this

[proud pilot]

thanks man
i have the power of plasma and infighting on my side

[azure nimbus]

does odamex or zaedomon or whatever multiplayer port support local mp?

[pearl osprey]

Yes

You create local lan servers with doomseeker or with command line

[azure nimbus]

local as in split screen like unity

Unity is fine and all but the resolution is negative

[molten iron]

I think eternity supports it, or maybe it was doomsday

[finite crag]

there is a fork of eternity that has split screen, dunno if it has been updated, LZDoom has some form of split screen i think, doom legacy has it as well, and I think those are the only ports that have splitscreen

[azure nimbus]

any reason to use one over the other?

[azure nimbus]

why 40 to 50? If you're at 75, you can grab a medikit without wasting any of it

[finite crag]

idk, never tried any of them (other than the split screen eternity fork, which is pretty nice, and normal lzdoom)

[slim willow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/951569115074670676/972962937541099570/300px-MAP24_map.png

[cosmic pagoda]

wait until you take the secret exit in that map

[wise notch]

ah yes my favorite map

[cosmic pagoda]

that gives me an idea, I wonder if you can run 2 doom clients on one pc, and have em on different screens, maybe map a controller to one

[slim willow]

should be a emote

[cosmic pagoda]

is that the damn chasm

[slim willow]

yeah

[royal heron]

yep that's the chasm

[cosmic pagoda]

ugh, its a part of the sandys worst

he made some really great maps

but factory, downtown, chasm, are a slog

unpopular opinion, I do like tricks and traps

[wise notch]

unpopular?

[cosmic pagoda]

and I love halls of the damned

[wise notch]

its amazing

[cosmic pagoda]

idk peoplem seem to hate both

[wise notch]

dont forget industrial zone unless that is made by a different person

[cosmic pagoda]

thats a romero map

[wise notch]

yeah i suspected that

still grabge

[cosmic pagoda]

yes

[wise notch]

those maps are the reason why i never get myself to go back to doom 2

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah, still better than most of tnt tho

[wise notch]

im replaying ultimate doom and beating plutonia

but i beated doom 2 once and i never want to again

[cosmic pagoda]

plutonia is a gem

[wise notch]

because holy shit can some maps be a fu ing chore

[cosmic pagoda]

plutonia map05 is

[wise notch]

yes

[cosmic pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[wise notch]

i like how tnt maps look like

[cosmic pagoda]

tried solonet plutonia the other day

[wise notch]

they are the strongest visual-vise

imo

like for example also doom 2 most of the time is just ugly going for the classic brown and grey colors

in ever single map

[cosmic pagoda]

solonet plutonia is absolute punishment, map01 opens up with you staring at mommy spider

[wise notch]

thats also why i give up after the pit

[cosmic pagoda]

I like plutonia last third aesthetic more than tnts tbh

the red skies and brown

like Genesis, it's one of Darios prettiest maps

Milo made some better looking ones, but I still like Genesis more due to the overall style

[wise notch]

for some reason i dont remember genesis at all even so i played it like 9 hours ago

[cosmic pagoda]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/File:Plutonia-map14.png

[wise notch]

ah i remember now

secrets in this map killed me

i had to look them up

it took me this long to find 'em

but the map definitely doesn't look trash

unlike the inmost dens

another map14 but of doom 2

and its brown in its entirety

[cosmic pagoda]

lol

plutonia gets easier towards the end, probably because of you having all the weapons

pistol starting is harder, havent done that too much

but if you dont pistol start, things like 16, after coming from 32 with a full load

[wise notch]

people that beat plutonia on nightmare pistol start are confirmed masochists

[cosmic pagoda]

havent tried it on nm even

Dario said that they designed it to not be pistol started anyway

[azure nimbus]

the chasm is one of the vanilla maps that are improved by nightmare: you get to skip the boring part beyond the invuln and the big 3 part secret is now actually interesting instead slow and boring

[hexed escarp]

Do you need to own plutonia to play plutonia 2?

I have plutonia, but I was just curious if you could play it with only doom 2 wad

[royal heron]

pretty sure doom 2 is just fine

[cosmic pagoda]

some textures are missing

with regular doom 2

oh dsda wont launch it even with it

crispy just played it without textures

https://imgur.com/X2ouE2t

but I suggest getting plutonia anyway

its a serious gem

and even better than PL2

final doom is 5 bucks if you dont yet own it

an has way more bang for buck than doom 2 for the same price

[vivid vine]

Plutonia 2 is built off of the Plutonia wad for its 'new' textures so yes

[azure nimbus]

I mean you have some messed up textures, nbd. the engine differences between doom2 and final doom can be accounted for within your port just by running CL4(iirc, plut2 is boom anyway)

[young pond]

DOOM Ray Traced Mod | E4M1 Hell Beneath https://youtu.be/8UmgIIS1Ip4

[tranquil kindle]

Is there a way to communicate with the devs of the Unity port? Like, does Nerve Software have a Discord server?

[tacit remnant]

No idea

[timber steeple]

Can we all agree the 1st doom is and will always be a masterpiece

[vast reef]

yes

what are your specific thoughts on it

[timber steeple]

it's a really fun game and it's truly what made the fps genre so popular. The variety of weapons and how there's secrets make the game even more enjoyable not to mention the awesome music that plays in the background as you slay demons

[vast reef]

i absolutely adore the art style

and the weapon balance

except for the pistol

[vast reef]

the levels still hold up even with new community-made material

[timber steeple]

They really do

[timber steeple]

yeah it was really well balanced

[icy fulcrum]

Did someone here remember Skulltag?

I re-downloaded it today and I must say that it has aged well.

Hell you can set the resolution to 1920X1080 while in Zandronum you have to go to the local file to do so.

And the two additional campaigns, the new monsters and the new weapons were cool.

Too bad it was discontinued 😦

[cosmic pagoda]

the additions in 2nd perfected that

[timber steeple]

I loved the double barrel shotgun

[cosmic pagoda]

ssg is nice yes, but the extra monsters

make so many interesting fights possible

doom2 perfected the monster roster, and plutonia showed how to use them

archies, revenants and mancubi are the meat and potatoes of doom imo

[timber steeple]

Haha yeah, and don't forget cacodemons

[finite crag]

Anyone wanna know something cool.

[azure nimbus]

it's wild how good the roster is for doom2 but they barely use the fancier monsters. Plutonia did a great job fleshing them out

[dapper flint]

Big boi haha

Looks great

[proud pilot]

has anyone played corruption cards and gotten the one where you have to find daisy because. i have no clue where she is or if i've picked her up already

[royal heron]

There's one where you have to find daisy?

[proud pilot]

yeah, opened it in slade to figure out what it does and apparently it gives monsters a random power in the next level if you don't find her

tried everything i can think of to track her down

don't remember if i got a message when i picked her up

i might just take the fall bc i can't see or hear her anywhere and i've scoured the level multiple times
thank god it's dead simple and not something bigger lmfao

investing in a babybjorn for this bunny

[cosmic pagoda]

Abbatoire final room is perfection

So evil

With not even many monsters just perfect combo and placement

[icy fulcrum]

I've never tried Abbatoire but the last few Speed of Doom maps were a pain in the ass.

And the funniest thing is that I used the cheats to reload the bfg 9000 (sorry guys but without it it's a real nightmare).

[vocal summit]

you dont

its under set video mode

[icy fulcrum]

Probably

[timid hinge]

Welcome to most non-base game map packs. Don't expect to only see zombiemen and shotgunners on the first levels of WADs

[young pond]

yea, it really does. i am enjoying this mod

[prime lava]

Considering it's TNT map01, it's reasonable to wonder why there's a cyberdemon there.. :p

[lost thunder]

troll co-op cybers are also a doom classic :^)

[vocal summit]

i've played a lot of wads

none of them had a cyberdemon in the first level

actually, ancient aliens

[azure nimbus]

tnt bad - Aristotle

so I'm up the secret maps of sunlust...tf is going on at the end of 32

[finite crag]

tbh i have never liked knees deep in the dead

[grim pollen]

😿

[finite crag]

i just found it a bit boring compared to the others

[lost thunder]

post-coitus doom.

[tacit remnant]

My favorite part of Doom 1 is the Shores of Hell personally

[slim willow]

Episode 2 is my guilty pleasure

same

[tacit remnant]

I think episode 1 is fine but overrated. Mostly it feels kinda repetitive to me. Inferno does some neat stuff but also has a few incredibly bad levels like Unholy Cathedral bringing it down. I don’t remember TFC very well

I tend to like hell levels way more than Earth/Techbase levels in general. They get a lot more license to use weird level ideas and unique aesthetic choices

[vast reef]

thy flesh consumed looks the best to me

i had the most fun with episode 2, but episode 1 was the most memorable

[tacit remnant]

I like the look of TFC but it’s been too long since I played it to really remember how the gameplay felt

Especially since I only played it once

[tacit remnant]

I started playing Deathless yesterday. What are people’s general opinions of it?

[runic obsidian]

i havent tried it, is it any good?

[slim willow]

one of the best doom 1 wads

[cosmic pagoda]

halls of the damned 👌

[tacit remnant]

Deathless reminds me of Plutonia honestly

But like a Knee Deep in the Dead version, complete with an onslaught of hitscanners and using small monster counts to lethal effect

I accidentally went into the episode 1 secret level that has 15 demons. These include a cyberdemon, a spider mastermind, 2 barons of hell, and some shotgunners that are all fought in 1 moderate sized room

[azure nimbus]

deathless is one of the best sets. Not every mapset needs to be a sunlust. It's fine to have some easier doom1 mapsets in a vanilla style in high quality

[tacit remnant]

Deathless feels difficult in itself tbh. Maybe I’m just bad. I imagine starting that playthrough on Switch instead of PC like I usually do has something to do with that of course

[last flower]

hey guys im playing shores of hell on ultra violence how do u get past so many imps with less shotgun ammo

i guess you shoud get better?

[azure nimbus]

changiing controls is huge

[azure nimbus]

berserk and finding secret ammo caches. if it's a specefic map, it might help to say. I have no idea how new you are, so it might help to hear that berserk lasts for the entire level (or really over 4 years but...ok that's the level) and not just for the 4 seconds of red screen

[last flower]

The map is containment area

It's like a warehouse with many imps.

Hidden among boxes.

[azure nimbus]

there is a berserk towards the start. Every monster is a pinkie or an imp(other than two lost soul caches(though you don't need to kill lost souls) and berserk is very effective on those monsters. If you care about 100 %, there is a good amount of ammo scattered in secrets. If not, feel free to rush to the keys and walk out. pinkies and imps don't really block you well in this level

[last flower]

I find imps in almost every corner lol

[royal heron]

You got the berserk right? you can punch the imps out

berserk lasts for the entire level

[violet sundial]

It's a lot worse on NM

Walk around the corner and get shot to death by 6 imps that weren't there a second ago

[teleport noises echo increasingly]

[runic obsidian]

teleport noise asmr

[azure nimbus]

imo it's easier on nightmare cuz you don't have to hunt down that last imp and you have enough plasma

[azure nimbus]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/MAP30:_God_Machine_(Sunlust) why are there so many ||keens?||

[last flower]

The berserk is pretty useful, imps die in a single hit but I keep getting hit by imp fireballs and eventually die

[tacit remnant]

Learning to dance around the fireballs to land your punches takes a bit of practice

[last flower]

At one spot there was a pinky and probably 6 imps throwing fireballs at me lol. I actually died there cuz I ran out of shotgun ammo it's limited in ultra violence mode, I had to use the pistol which requires 6 bullets to take out a single imp

[tacit remnant]

IIRC there’s a chaingun in that level behind the yellow key door

[last flower]

I died next to the yellow card.

[tacit remnant]

F

[last flower]

U really need a chain gun or better to survive that level

Minimum level is the shotgun

If ur left with the pistol it's certain death

Berserk is actually good but if u go close to imps and pinkies ull lose health much quicker

[tacit remnant]

Episode 2 is the ammo drought episode. My rule is to not use the shotgun unless you have to. Use berzerk for as many kills as possible.

[last flower]

I'm in the 2nd level and there is a high shortage of ammo

That level also consists of packs of imps and maybe single pinkies in many corners

[tacit remnant]

For imps the trick is to hang around close but not melee range, wait for the fireball, then sidestep it and charge in before the imp can attack again.

[last flower]

I dodge fireballs by staying far enough

Staying close to imps is not an option especially when there's 5-6 of them

[lost thunder]

for a special trick

[tacit remnant]

Pinkies telegraph their bite so you can step back to dodge the bite, then run back in to punch them.

[last flower]

That works but doom 1993 has severely low camera sensitivity even when it's max. So it's hard to use quick reflexes when ur surrounded by imps.

[tacit remnant]

As you get more comfortable with the movement, you can fight at much closer range without getting hit

[azure nimbus]

it's worth practicing using berserk imo.

[azure nimbus]

guess we'll not spoil it

[last flower]

Since doom 1993 can only be played by arrow keys and not wasd switching quickly to strafe with alt is impossible

[azure nimbus]

why not?

[tacit remnant]

You can play with WASD

[azure nimbus]

you could play WASD 30 years ago.

are you playing keyboard only?

[last flower]

Hmm I tried wasd it didn't work only arrow keys worked.

[lost thunder]

are you playing on dosbox or something

[azure nimbus]

Now, I've not played on unity, but if you have the game on computer, you can download the doom.wad file and use a port like WOOF. the UI is much easier to navigate and you can play with the controls you like. I would be that you can already but it may take some effort if it's dosbox or whatever

[tacit remnant]

Unity port lets you customize controls

[last flower]

I think its dosbox so wasd doesn't work

Perhaps I have to manually install it

[azure nimbus]

even dos should have wasd, but it might be harder to set up. Takes 5 min to download a port with easier setting changes

[last flower]

Alright I'll try it thnx guys.

[azure nimbus]

Doom was almost unplayable for me the first time I played without a controller. Do whatever you have to to get controls that work for you

[lost thunder]

there are some pretty phenomenal keyboard-only players but i'd really suggest keyboard+mouse with a WASD setup

[vocal summit]

@last flower get gzdoom or prboom+

for multiplayer get zandronum

[azure nimbus]

prb+ is outdated. DSDA is next in line for that type.

[vast reef]

@last flower get dsda-doom, gzdoom if you want mouselook and fancy graphics

[vocal summit]

is it? its pretty good for me tbh

[vast reef]

dsda-doom's features are mouth-watering

[azure nimbus]

no controller support :(

[vast reef]

sadly yeah

although the eternity engine has controller support

iirc

i use gzdoom when i want to use a controller anyway

[molten iron]

Controller support is planned for dsda-doom, but it will still take a while

Kraflab has been working on brute force for making TASes latelly

[royal heron]

While support for casual play like controller are gonna be supported, it is a sourceport for speedrunning as a first basis after all

[thick dagger]

does anyone know any zdoom compatible mods?
i wanna play on the school computers, and gzdoom doesnt work

neither does zandronum

[azure nimbus]

controller is perfectly viable for speedrunning. Demos work just fine made from controller from WOOF for example

[lost thunder]

pretty sure spendoragon uses a controller with dsda-doom btw

[young pond]

DOOM Ray Traced Mod | E4M2 Perfect Hatred https://youtu.be/iPGyx0Sy0PM

[royal heron]

I know, what I meant is tooling

There are most definitely people who speedrun unity on consoles

[limber mirage]

I think he’s questioning the part where you said controller is for casual play

[gentle echo]

Y'all watch the Icarus mod reviews? Great content

[gentle echo]

I realize that is probably a noob as hell comment but so be it! His enthusiasm for the Reelism 2 mod made me check it out and reminded me of this server

[azure nimbus]

Like a tas? what do you mean?

[finite crag]

Did anyone find if map 21 of doom 2 is actually referencing Cobain’s death or if it’s just a coincidence?

[grim gazelle]

Hey

[azure nimbus]

I've just never seen any evidence in it. The song is often cited as evidence despite it being used several times in doom2. Nirvana is already a heaven/hell concept which makes sense for a game about killing demons. the ssg in the starting room-- well it's just a normal starting weapon. For it to work, we might need Sandy Peterson to be listening to Kurt Cobain which, idk.

[finite crag]

I’m considering emailing sandy about this now

Because I have nothing better to do other than annoying an old man about a game map he made 28 years ago

[pearl osprey]

From Doomkid's video yesterday he stated, Sandy is a was and is still a very religious person and it's very unlikely he listens to that music

[azure nimbus]

he had 11 min to make the level. I doubt he had time for a refernce

[pearl osprey]

I am pretty sure it's a coincidence

[finite crag]

Interesting

[azure nimbus]

it's one of the most common weapons in the game, the ssg, a reasonable name for a doom map, and countdown to death is already used several times. I mean it's possible, but we'd need stronger evidence to pull us off of it being coincidental

[pearl osprey]

Doomkid's explanation
https://youtu.be/6rrn92l6_08?t=364

[azure nimbus]

Midnight got more popularity from Doom Eternal and he posts similar content. Mostly speculative stuff.

[pearl osprey]

He ran out of doom eternal lore to explain and now does (in my opinion) lame videos

[finite crag]

I was going to say what about the corpse ahead of the super shotgun but it’s probably just decoration

[lost thunder]

sometimes things being far too on-the-nose just means they are, indeed, an unfortunate coincidence

[dapper flint]

Someone actually said that ? Hahahah

[dapper flint]

Shame on your head sir

[finite crag]

What’s the best way to play death-match online now?

[royal heron]

well I had a brainfart moment ;-;

[dapper flint]

Happens bro haha

[finite crag]

I was just playing doom 2 and my mom walked in the room and she said, that the music is good for dancing

[gentle compass]

True, I mean, who hasn't jammed to map09 before

[vast reef]

odamex and zandro are good for deathmatch

zandro for mods and odamex for more purist gameplay

odamex also has better netcode iirc

[vast reef]

anybody know what the doom legacy port is supposed to be?

https://sourceforge.net/projects/doomlegacy/

this thing

it seems like another vanilla-oriented port, but i only discovered it now

[finite crag]

fork of dos doom that introduced 32 player dm, skins, jumping and mlook, a console, and a "native win32 mode".

oh yeah, it also had splitscreen co-op and dm.

[vast reef]

oh, i see

thank you

[warped jungle]

Let alone reference the suicide of someone from the band

Honestly it's a pretty stupid theory

[vast reef]

thoughts on the "brutal doom keeps the classic games relevant" statement?

[pearl osprey]

I wouldn't say brutal doom is the reason why og doom is still relevant, however I think it actually does help doom

[vast reef]

it got more people into the classic games

but it's incredibly far from the only thing keeping it alive

[pearl osprey]

It attracts younger players, many of which will stick to the game and maybe even go vanilla

[young pond]

DOOM Ray Traced Mod | E4M9 Fear https://youtu.be/t51tuUqGxc8

[vast reef]

that water looks great

[grim pollen]

No doubt Brutal doom gave it a boost and shifted attention to really over the top hardcore mods but classic saw resurgences after each official Id release. The ease of modding and increased attention from Doom 2016 plus Doom Eternals release even without Brutal would have brought in newcomers.

Doom modding is super creative with the occasional clickbaity mods journalists will randomly cover so if it wasn't brutal doom maybe another mod receives the attention.

[vivid vine]

MetaDoom actually deserves attention

[cosmic pagoda]

doom is a largely single player game so its relevance does not depend on active playerbase and since it's the father of all fps games, it'll always be relevant

[dapper flint]

They usually do or even try meta doom which I feel is worlds better than brutal

[azure nimbus]

I still can't get over how tacky BD is

[royal heron]

no imo

classic will always stay relevant due to its huge modding and mapping scene, but BD certainly helped that along

but it does not "keep it relevant"

[wise notch]

I love the intermission screens in Doom 1

they are so beautiful and detailed

give so much more depth to the game

sad that no map maker does them, but i understand why

maybe one day

[timid hinge]

No map maker does intermission screens? What?

[prime lava]

he means the doom 1 intermission screen style

[timid hinge]

What is that supposed to be

[prime lava]

like a layout of where each map is

[timid hinge]

Oh

[prime lava]

and a "you are here" thing

[finite crag]

What’s good, y’all? I finally beat DOOM II, and damn what a game!

https://youtu.be/Po-7K04r4L4

This final boss is a real pain.

[grim pollen]

Congrats!

[azure nimbus]

is it true that OG doom had no secret notifications?

[molten iron]

yep

pretty painful to explore the whole map, having no idea how many secrets youve found and just hoping you got 100%

[azure nimbus]

I suppose that explains quite a lot of strange secret tagging. It must've been hard to notice in playtesting

[grim pollen]

And those handful of maps that won't be 100% secrets unless you've broken down the game to a science.

[azure nimbus]

"intended method industrial zone"

[grim pollen]

😄 At quakecon I was passing by and they were giving out swag at one of the stages and they asked a question to the crowd like "last secret to be discovered in doom and who did it". Whoever answered technically made a mistake which secret with correct name but he got the prize anyhow.

[azure nimbus]

for doom2, ok map15. But if we expand, plutonia has the broken secret, doom1 has several issues in e4, it's hard to say for sure

doomkid plays a lot of deathmatch so I'd consider it, but I feel like controller really would hurt my deathmatching and I can't imagine cooping with anyone. Is the scene larger than I think?

[grim pollen]

It does ok for being a very old scene. World Doom League received 50 signups, number of Zandro events and multiplayer but DM/CTF is usually inhouse then others join off. There isn't servers rolling 24/7 like quake live with potential games.

[dapper flint]

What controller are you using right now bro? X box right ?

[grim pollen]

Unless Zdaemon is crazy popular cause im not too up to date on that community.

[finite crag]

Thanks

[azure nimbus]

standard xbox1 controller. I use one with broken rubbers on the sticks for singleplayer and a new one for multiplayer

I have a preference for vanilla stuff so I'd think odamex buuuuut doomkid made a point about freelook letting you shoot the ground

[dapper flint]

You're really getting into doom now so if you ever can pick up a controller and dm I know a few great ones I used back when I did competitive bf matches

[azure nimbus]

as far as singleplayer goes, this thing is perfectly fine tbf

[finite crag]

Yoooooo

[dapper flint]

X box controller is pretty fantastic as is. You can even just buy new grips for a couple bucks

[finite crag]

Wassup my christian dudes?

[dapper flint]

We only pray to the one true God betruger here

[finite crag]

Thanks god

[dapper flint]

[azure nimbus]

like I said, the one that has them, I have that for MP. I want to preseve that one

[finite crag]

I heard of satanism lately

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/9SyGMPa

Perfection

[finite crag]

Yep

[dapper flint]

They really nailed the design

Even the weight is good

[finite crag]

I am not an Xbox player but I can say that’s a nice joystick

[dapper flint]

It really is. I have a ps4 use the x box for pc

Ps4 controller is pretty ass

Don't like the stick layout

[finite crag]

Thought we were gonna talk more about lore and stuff but even this is ok

[dapper flint]

There is probably like 9 people on earth that use a controller to play classic doom and I'm one of them lol

[finite crag]

So you are og

[dapper flint]

I was pretty able to use kbm back in the day. But I had a hand injury and using one for gaming just hurts a ton after 20 minutes.

[finite crag]

That sucks

[dapper flint]

Well I mean it helped me adapt to using controller competitively. And it's an achievement on its own. I'm sure there are tons and tons of uv completions of doom wads 100 percent but barely none with a controller. Stands out ya know?

[molten iron]

I really dont like the Xbox controller.
The gamecube and ps4/5 are my favorites.
For Doom, I cant play without a mouse and a keyboard. Not being able to look up and down with a joystick feels very wrong to me

[cloud talon]

Not being able to look up and down on mouse isnt?

[molten iron]

Surprisingly, it feels fine

Doom is a weird game. Its the only game where mouselook with a mouse feels wrong to me

[lost thunder]

most likely because the world warps with mouselook

starts giving me really bad nausea

[molten iron]

Even in gzdoom it feels disorienting. Maybe its because of the enemy sprites or maybe Im just used to not being able to look up

[dapper flint]

I use a controller that's a mix of both now

Best thing I've ever used

[azure nimbus]

even in the 90s, doom had console ports like atari port. and today's unity ports are available on gamepass for xbox. there are a lot of controller players

[dapper flint]

Sure I mean more so ones that are good

[slim willow]

If it wasn't for me you would have never bought one.

[gentle echo]

To those who play with mods, how do you keep track of the save states? Drives me crazy that all the mods for one .wad are all in the same save page. So you have to have the exact mod combination to even load up the state properly

[vast reef]

i just add a little mod list at the end

(high noon drifter + corruption cards + eviternity.wad) or something

[gentle echo]

As in typed all out? I wish the autosaves would label it somehow

[vast reef]

typed out yeah

but it'd be really nice if the autosaves labeled it

[gentle echo]

Folders would be my ideal. A folder for each mod I mean. It's a MESS with all the autosaves and I can't keep track of the mod combos

Or something like each mod only showing the save states that are compatible

[finite crag]

I usually give it a "funny" title and add the mod name at the end

[royal heron]

I'm simply just able to remember which mod corresponds to which save

[finite crag]

damn, you have a good memory

[vast reef]

any way to add some form of dithering or whatnot to dsda-doom?

[finite crag]

Already saw that and it looks pretty cool

[eternal lance]

this genuinely looks great

[vast reef]

what got deleted

did somebody say one of the no-no words

oh

it happened in several channels

[vast reef]

what are the baron projectiles

green hellfire? some sort of gas?

[azure nimbus]

mint ice cream

[tacit remnant]

So I breezed through Unholy Cathedral. That’s not meant as a boast; I just stumbled upon the exit by dumb luck. I’m pretty sure it’s not meant to be over that quickly, but I’ll take it so I can get back to interesting levels

[vast reef]

makes sense

[tacit remnant]

I have beaten Doom 1 on UV for the first time! (Not counting TFC. It’s next on my list)

[wise notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6LahTuw02c&ab_channel=Metallica-Topic

[azure nimbus]

as much as I like getting all the secrets... save yourself, that thing is confusing.

[azure nimbus]

nice. e3m7 is a nightmare to traverse unless you're reaaaaaally practiced on it. if you go for secrets in TFC, just be aware that m3 and m7 max out at 90 % and 50 % respectively

[tacit remnant]

I’m not going for full secrets, the ending to Unholy Cathedral just felt weirdly abrupt and it’s weird to finish a level with less than 80% kills (I finished with 25%)

e3m7 wasn’t so bad this time. I got a bit turned around but it only took me 20 minutes or so. Also I beat the mastermind by rushing her with the BFG. Only took 15 seconds

[azure nimbus]

e3m5 is super weird, not your fault

[tacit remnant]

Mostly it seemed like I just had a weird streak of luck with navigating

[azure nimbus]

actually, a bunfh of e3 especially has lots of optional areas. m1, obviously it's just linear. m2 has a ton of nooks that can be ignored if you head for the blue key right away. m3 has the lava area, the berserk/RL area, and an entire left side that does nothing. m4 has the pinky room on the left, the shotgun room at the start, that weird caco door trap, a lot of nonsense with the switches. m5...the whole thing. m6, well a lot is skippable but that's because of the secret exit. m7, same deal. lot is skippable if you can sr50. m8, ok straight shot there

maybe you get lost, maybe you get all the secrets, maybe you stumble into the exit, that's episode 3 and doom2 for ya

[tacit remnant]

I think I’m definitely in the minority with my opinion that episode 1 is OG Doom’s overall weakest set of levels. They’re not bad by any means but they feel a bit simple and bland to me. Episode 3 is uneven but I actually really like most of it. Even Slough of Despair isn’t that bad

I think Pandemonium was my favorite level in episode 3

[royal heron]

Unholy Cathedral is short overall, it's just confusing if you're going for 100%

[tacit remnant]

Oh okay

I don’t really get going for 100% outside of speedruns.

[azure nimbus]

I kinda agree. e1 has a few maps that feel similar. m6 and m7 feel really similar. m4 and m5 have mazes. m2 has a maze too. so it can drag there.

[tacit remnant]

It’s not just that. They’re all techbases using mostly hitscanners and a greyscale set of textures, so they all blur together. The other episodes are in Hell which gives them a lot more aesthetic flexibility and Id took advantage of that

The increased number of enemy types also helps

[azure nimbus]

the pinky is still the main soldier of doom1. at least he's still around but certainly lacking barons, cacos, and lost souls hurts

[wise notch]

it kind of depends on ur opinion

i like the doom 1 style of just levels

every level in ep1 looks the same and uses the same textures

but imo more fun to play the doom 2

bc doom 2 tried to push the limits of the doom engine a little too much

and make things that it just cant do like building

which leads to maps like downtown

the same thing was in plutonia where they focused more on the level design then on how the game looked and what it was supposed to represent

and plutonia is :cheff_kiss:

[young pond]

DOOM Ray Traced Mod | E4M3 Sever The Wicked https://youtu.be/170UtgfopwU

[finite crag]

gonna buy a 2060 for this

damn 525 dollerz

[azure nimbus]

map19 of sunlust...it hard

[lost thunder]

i love 19

you're in for a real treat with the experience of map 20

[molten iron]

My favorite Sunlust map is map04. The music and the combat are some of the best in any Doom mod imo

[lost thunder]

sol <3

[timid hinge]

What’s map 19 again? Is it Antique?

[azure nimbus]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/MAP19:_Blood_Geometry_(Sunlust)

[pearl osprey]

Sol's music is just something else tho

[azure nimbus]

"any key" moment

[tacit remnant]

Is Sunlust’s later levels specifically hard on pistol start saveless or always really hard regardless of format?

[azure nimbus]

Sunlust is hard. SL is accomodating to continuous play and pistol start alike, but it gets to 1000 monster gauntlets at the end. Certainly, some levels are made easier if you play continuous. Like map18 has a bfg but map19 only has a plasma. So if you carry over that bfg, you can melt the final room

[tacit remnant]

Good to know. Thanks

[azure nimbus]

if you're willing to only play one or two episodes without the last episode, I do think the first few maps are pretty accessible. But well...I'm scared for what's in store towards the late maps. I've gotten to 19 and not been toooo bad. But mind you, I'm more accomodating to the higher difficulty so far because Sunlust is incredibly high quality. SL also caters to other difficulty settings. It might be a tall tale, but the story goes that Ribbiks didn't give the ultraviolence wad unless you could prove that you beat it on HMP first. idk if that's true or not, but the gist of the story is that HMP or lower is encouraged.

[lost thunder]

e3 has some pretty difficult maps

28 and 30 are especially considered to be the hardest

[lost thunder]

this story is incorrect btw, it's actually about magnolia

in the public version of magnolia, hmp and uv are identical

but there are custom versions of magnolia that were sent to people who did demos for it

[azure nimbus]

the point that Ribbiks is big into caring about HMP stands

[lost thunder]

he has had HMP posted as the intended difficulty on his wads going all the way back to swim with the whales

[azure nimbus]

do you know if he's still around, sharing the full release of magnolia

[lost thunder]

the hmp version is the full release, but no, i don't think he accepts demos to receive a custom version anymore

[warm harness]

Are there any mods out there that just increases the amount of blood particles that spawn when shooting an enemy in GZDoom to more on Quake 2's level of gore?

[tacit remnant]

I don’t remember how to load PWADs with PRBoom. How do I do it?

[lost thunder]

-file name.wad

[tacit remnant]

Okay thanks

I’m having trouble getting it to work still. Do I need to set something up before opening PRBoom or do I just press a key and enter that once it’s open?

[young pond]

DOOM Ray Traced Mod | E4M4 Unruly Evil https://youtu.be/s1v9jMxtZfk

[azure nimbus]

what is a good spot to use the invuln on sunlust map20? Conceivably, I'd want it for every fight. I'm also not 100 % sure just how far into the map the invuln even opens up

[wise notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbzoTo75LyU&ab_channel=AndrewHulshult

[dapper flint]

Keep em coming

[hidden snow]

i dont know whats up with me and doom 2, every single time i play doom 2 i stop at like map 19 cus after that its just like back to back bad levels. does anybody else have this problem?

[azure nimbus]

map20 is a classic. 22 is a good challenge. 21, 23, fine. 24 is polarizing. 25 is kinda lame. 26 can be a drag but some people like it. 27, 28 are easy invuln fests. 29 is a classic adventure level. 30 is an IoS

[tacit remnant]

The middle section of Doom 2 is a slump, but map 19 is where you’re almost back to the good stuff

[hidden snow]

its when u hit the earth/city levels is what i mean, i dont remember what exact map it starts at

[hexed escarp]

12

[hidden snow]

then the game feels longer then it actually is apperently

[hexed escarp]

maps 10 and 11 were some of my favorites so far

im on map 12 atm

both of them took me ages cuz i kept rage quitting, but thats just cuz im hot garbage at shooters

thats what it stands for

[tacit remnant]

It’s the big fucking gun

[modest scarab]

That is the name.

[warped jungle]

yes, one of the classic quandale barnacle jones jr blunders

[tacit remnant]

How do I do the dead simple thing where mancubi dying raises a platform? (Ultimate Doombuilder)

[pearl osprey]

I think it's tag 666

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Tag_666

Basically whatever action has tag 666 will be executed on all mancibus death

Same thing with tag 667 and spiders

[azure nimbus]

666 lowers walls and 667 raises floors. 666 is also the keen tag and I think the e1m8,e4m8, e4m6 tags.

The level specifi tags only work on their respective mapslots. ofc zdoom ports can do whatever with fancy scripting though

[tacit remnant]

Okay thanks

[young pond]

Hell yeah! A few maps left

[vast reef]

i found something funky

when you use the opengl renderer in dsda-doom, you get the weird gzdoom movement

[pearl osprey]

Huh

Maybe it has to do with SDL2?

[vast reef]

maybe

[pearl osprey]

It's an opengl library that most if not all sourceports use

[vast reef]

yep

i made a crappy walking simulator with it about 3 months ago

[pearl osprey]

I've personally never noticed a difference, but if there is then it might have to do with SDL

or it could be something entirely different idk

[vast reef]

as molly said, doomguy feels like he's on roller skates in gzdoom

for me, his acceleration feels slower

[pearl osprey]

Sounds like an input delay issue

[vast reef]

probably

[young pond]

DOOM Ray Traced Mod | E4M5 They Will Repent https://youtu.be/Th2Vlzh8Vy8

[azure nimbus]

what is every doom1, doom2 map that has an arrow? e1m6 has the armor bonus arrow leading to a nonsecret automap in the maze.
I can't recall any in e2.
e3m2 has the plasma secret on the automap arrow.

doom2 has map13's famous arrow and map15's more subtle blue key hint.

[steady sluice]

can anyone help me enable brutal doom for doom 2 in a call?

if someone can dm me

[dapper flint]

[torn pivot]

7 feet of Dos first person shooter games from the 90’s
https://youtube.com/shorts/cJ6_8V3h01c?feature=share

[proven wraith]

[dapper flint]

Castle counts damn it

[torn pivot]

😂 I agree, thats why I didn’t fully exclude, its just not the 90’s

[dapper flint]

Did you ever get into the multiplayer...

[azure nimbus]

why play coop when cybers exist

[dapper flint]

Why not

Extra spice

[torn pivot]

Not so much really, my multiplayer was done mostly a modem in the 90’s, I know Wolfenstein online was a big deal and was like a pre Call of duty

[dapper flint]

So no enemy territory?

[torn pivot]

Nope

[timid hinge]

I haven't played an IWAD in years so idk

[dull folio]

wait until someone plays Doom inside of Sonic Mania which is played in Sonic Mania, played in another instance of Sonic Mania

[slim willow]

and that instance of Sonic Mania is played in Sonic Jam for Sega Saturn which is being emulated on a Sega Dreamcast

[dull folio]

Lol

[vast reef]

ok so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34HfmGvUJIM

[finite crag]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doot-doot-skeleton-trumpet-e1m1-gif-25528371

[young pond]

DOOM Ray Traced Mod | E4M6 https://youtu.be/sCdfdv_qd_w

[wanton kestrel]

Looking for 2 extra people to help me another guy with the nightmare co-op run for doom 1

[azure nimbus]

it's local MP for the unity port

[wanton kestrel]

PS4

[azure nimbus]

The ps4 port runs unity

if you're just going for the achievement, the main levels that will trip you up are e1m3, e1m9, e2m6, e2m7, e3m5, e3m7, e4m1, e4m2, e4m6.

For all of those until e4, if you only care about the achievement, if you don't pistol start you should be ok. Otherwise, (shameless shill I posted routes on youtube under mmjp08). For e4, luckily you don't even need to do it for the achievement

[unique shoal]

What is lz doom

[molten iron]

Its basically gzdoom for lower end pcs

[steady sluice]

@vast reef thank you so much

[azure nimbus]

if you play Struggle, make sure to play in CL2. The Leichenfaust(BFG replacement) has a plasma-style recoil. In vanilla, that recoil isn't used if you run out of ammo

[dapper needle]

uaclabs.wad

[dapper flint]

My stupid ass did e4 first for no reason because I thought it was included

Wanted to get it out of the way

[dapper flint]

It really isn't so complicated

[hexed escarp]

how do i change the soundfont in prboom+

[lost thunder]

change snd_soundfont setting in the .cfg file

[hexed escarp]

where do i put the soundfont file tho

[lost thunder]

doesn't matter

[hexed escarp]

wdym

liek it can just be anywhere on my computer and it will find it?

lmao what

[lost thunder]

that wasn't spam brother it was an example for the setting lol

[hexed escarp]

lol

i tried putting the soundfont in the prboom+ folder and it didnt work

[lost thunder]

come on man

you set the directory in the cfg

[hexed escarp]

ohhhhhh

lol

that didnt work either

i put the full path

[lost thunder]

change to fluidsynth in-game

[hexed escarp]

ok

did that and restarted and its still opl

[azure nimbus]

@dapper flint do you think that -coop_spawns nightmare sigil is possible? Maybe without every secret

[dapper flint]

For me no but for a some I can believe. I think my friend confused could do it.

I personally can't picture it

Some doom gods could I think?

[molten nacelle]

People who playing ZDaemon here?

[serene viper]

Never heard of that

[molten nacelle]

Classic doom (With oldest version) multiplayer

Its lile Zandronum if you know it

But older

[violet sundial]

Is there r34 of pinkie so I can feel better about being creamed

I'm hardstuck on e1m3 lmao

I must have accidentally hit UV instead of nightmare

I might just restart on m1 so I can get the minigun bc I think it'll make it more fair

Minigun felt too easy on uv

Does simply reading strategies help too?

I don't think I'll feel too bad about saving at the start of a mission on nightmare either lmao

I think that'll be better for practicing 100%ing secrets too...

[royal heron]

the achievement is only for completing the level right? so technically I think that the void glide bug may be possible since unity is only limit-removing after all so it should have void glides, so e2m6 may not be such a huge problem

[royal heron]

what the fuck

no, and the amount of bleach that exists in this world would not cleanse my eyes from that heresy if it exists

bruh

[azure nimbus]

I don't think unity allows -shorttics but I could be wrong so that would be super difficulty. Either way, I do think it's harder than beating the level either pistol start or with some gear from e2m9.

[royal heron]

oh true, dammit I forgot about shorttics

[azure nimbus]

I spend every waking moment thinking about shorttics

[royal heron]

while it would be pretty damn hard to pull off, I did manage to do void glides and switch presses on Eternity, which doesn't have shorttics.

[vivid vine]

I forgot what they are

[azure nimbus]

In my daily life irl, I only turn with respect to 256 distinct angles

[royal heron]

but doing it on controller which doesn't exactly have as fine of controls as a mouse may have makes it even harder with longtics

[azure nimbus]

maybe that's why it took me 5 h to do map22 hmmmm

[royal heron]

so it's either you grind the standard nightmare route or you gotta hope for really lucky alignment with the void glide and switch press setups

i honestly don't know which one would be worse tbh

[azure nimbus]

I think it would be way easier to just not pistol start

[royal heron]

true, it allows saves right? so single segment is possible

[azure nimbus]

start from e2m9 and grab some weapons and the megaarmor and soulsphere

no saves on local MP for unity

[royal heron]

oh damn :/

[violet sundial]

Why does reloading change the difficulty on e1 but not e2?

This is unfair

I'm being oppressed by Romero

Actually I'm sure this is Todd's fault

[azure nimbus]

what port? Can you describe exactly what steps and inputs that is because idk, that's weird

[violet sundial]

Bethesda version on Android

Save game > Die > Reload > Demons are now slow mode

Did they run out of stimulants

[azure nimbus]

and you're on nightmare originally?

[violet sundial]

Yeah

On e2 it didn't happen though

Guess it's back to pistol start

[vivid vine]

Pistol starting every map is the way

[azure nimbus]

oh for sure, pistol starting is usually better, but if you just want the achievement for NM...whatever right

[vivid vine]

Nightmare Plus

NM+100S

[dapper flint]

Meh

[azure nimbus]

Nightmare...+

[dapper flint]

Only effects a few maps

[azure nimbus]

do you mean coop spawns nightmare?

[dapper flint]

It's just fast for the most part

[vivid vine]

Amazing that they didnt isnt it

UV+ really didnt need fast, fast monsters has really worn thin

[azure nimbus]

what do you mean didn't?

[vivid vine]

Fast monsters, I now realize, aren't interesting.

I thought something was wrong with me for not liking it, and I've done Quake's Nightmare a dozen times. Their own twist on it in the remaster is what the community was already doing.

Having more monsters than UV definitely seems like the way to go for Doom

Made me like playing PlayStation Doom for adding the Doom 2 monsters everywhere

[azure nimbus]

I don't really like coop_spawns being a uv+. I like how Ribbiks did it where HMP is the normal, and you play UV if you're crazy

But that's a pretty silly preference. You're not wrong for doing coopspawns(and I might play coopspawns on sigil soon lol)

[vivid vine]

No, more seeing as it would have been the right way to go for Nightmare in hindsight

If they hadnt made it as just a joke

[violet sundial]

I have to pistol start to play nightmare on e1 lol

It's very hard

So far I haven't made it past the third room lmao

[vivid vine]

Heretic on Black Plague is I guess also a way, since nothing respawns and no monster has hitscan

[violet sundial]

It turns out that aiming is useful

Going to have to put this in my review tbh

[vivid vine]

Thats why the game does it for you

[violet sundial]

"Don't bother without a BT mnkb"

I mean that it's literally impossible to aim with default controls

[vivid vine]

You sweep left to right

[azure nimbus]

nahhhhhhh NM as -fast + -respawn + (the special nightmare no reaction time parameter) + -double ammo is king stuff

[violet sundial]

I know how to play doom

It's the controls

Sitting there strafing left to right for 1 min straight with 1% hp lol

[gusty falcon]

Add the delay it takes to reach full speed while trying to Dodge fast monster projectiles with strafing

[violet sundial]

I use a sort of forward left right movement and as long as I can get in my 1 shot kills it's ez

I can sit there and dodge shotgun blasts and fireballs at point blank on PC all day lol

[dapper flint]

Absolutely

Alot of my buddies feel the same way

Unless it'd hitscan heavy

Nah

[violet sundial]

They are vicious a f

At least around here

[dapper flint]

I was obsessed with fast and uv plus for a while

Like a pure advocate for it

[violet sundial]

The game is a lot more fun on NM ngl

[dapper flint]

But really it just changes your movement and playstyle to either speed run or passive

[violet sundial]

The spray of the minigun is my crutch on Android tho

[vivid vine]

What you do compared to how you usually play Doom is less interesting

[violet sundial]

They must have ported this for Chromebooks or something

[vivid vine]

All the monsters as chess pieces goes out the window since they all become towers and most have the same fast projectile speed

[violet sundial]

How much do Romero and friends get in royalties anyway

[dapper flint]

As someone who has done all nightmare in classic i prefer uv

[violet sundial]

I'd want my money back if it's all Bethesda's

[dapper flint]

For one that's what was designed by the map makers

[vivid vine]

You did it solo coop too didnt you?

[dapper flint]

For the most part

[dapper flint]

Yeah but only because I had no one to do it with

[vivid vine]

You have that one extremely rare achievement

[dapper flint]

0.1 percent

[violet sundial]

You should start a business lol

[dapper flint]

Nm https://imgur.com/a/YKD2Te0

Here it is

[vivid vine]

With no one helping

[dapper flint]

The funny thing is ps doom 93 2 doesn't have online co op

But they decided to make this an achievement

[molten nacelle]

I cant say h and yk

Doom

Is the yk

Alr

[violet sundial]

It's an insult vs urself

You don't wanna be cyber bullied do u

[molten nacelle]

What

Someone said smth about R34

[violet sundial]

Lol that's fine though

[molten nacelle]

Really?

Wait let me show u

Oh u said that

[violet sundial]

I assume they don't want children finding out about it

[molten nacelle]

Bet

[violet sundial]

Is there any lore behind the demons?

[tacit remnant]

They’re brutish hellspawn who are here to ruin your day and will turn on each other if provoked because they’re undisciplined and barely organized enough to work together in the first place. That’s about it

[violet sundial]

So basically I am playing a psychopathic psych ward patient

[tacit remnant]

No you’re playing a guy in the middle of a demon invasion trying to not die

By “you” I mean “everyone on the Mars base”

The demons themselves are extremely simple though

Rather than a society with culture and such, the original Doom games just have them as “the bad guys”

[violet sundial]

What is UV+

[finite crag]

Ultra Violence Plus

[azure nimbus]

the demons are gamers

[tacit remnant]

Ultra Violence with fast monsters. Basically added as a middle ground between UV and Nightmare

[azure nimbus]

uv+ has traditionally referred to uv + coopspawns/solonet. But unity's(the official source port) uv+ ALSO has -fast enabled

[tacit remnant]

Oh okay

[azure nimbus]

The unfortunate side effect of unity doing that is that "uv+" is no longer well defined

[vocal summit]

freedoom phase 2 ost goes so hard

[vast reef]

agreed

also

i wonder if there's a mod that lets enemies move while attacking

[azure nimbus]

is freedoom available as pwad or only as an iwad

[vocal summit]

iwad but there's a pwad that uses freedoom graphics

the whole point of freedoom is that it's an iwad that is free

[azure nimbus]

what's interesting is that if you get freedoom and play a pwad with lots of texture and sound replacements, you might not notice a change

[vocal summit]

cough valiant

[azure nimbus]

It is weird to think about how even that hypothetical pwad isn't the same as an iwad that has all the textures. One of the freedoom sounds is reused in pirate doom. probably stock sound

[vocal summit]

what sound is it

freedoom should be added into the official port's addons

more people need to play it

it's great

[plucky wyvern]

Something weird just happened

My invisibility didn't wear off and the music after i exited the map stopped playing

Playing on the unity/steam port btw

[vocal summit]

its open source so it should legally be fine as a free addon

[azure nimbus]

a pistol ping

[lost thunder]

it's unfinished

freedoom, that is

[azure nimbus]

what does high framerate even do? doom logic runs at a 35 Hz ticrate

[vast reef]

nothing

it just looks prettier

to some people at least

[azure nimbus]

how? won't all frames that are less than 1/ 35 s awat from the last multiple of 1/35 look identical

[vast reef]

60 fps looks smoother than 35 fps

most sourceports just interpolate the frames

[azure nimbus]

where are the "extra" frames coming from that do not coincide with the 35 Hz logic? oh interpolation? lame

[vast reef]

yeah

although i think some sourceports have a higher ticrate

[azure nimbus]

then it isn't demo compat?

[vast reef]

yeah

something like doomsday i believe

[azure nimbus]

I can't tell a difference on woof between capped 35 Hz and un capped which lies between 120 Hz and 240 Hz on my machine depending on the map.

[pearl osprey]

The game feels unplayable at anything under 144hz for me

Once you get used to high refresh rates it's impossible to go back

[vocal summit]

its not

0.12.1 was the final version

[vocal summit]

gzdoom interpolates them

makes it feel stuttery if your game is running badly, which it's always doing because gzdoom

[lost thunder]

they're still making changes to the sprites and stuff tho

ergo, unfinished

[vocal summit]

but it's still fully playable

they can just update it if it gets another version

[last flower]

I play on gzdoom now

It's more modern and allowes wasd and quicker movement.

But there's a problem

I'm trying to defeat the cyberdemon and since we can now move our mouse up and down its damn difficult to get a shot at it.

[vocal summit]

autoaim is on by default

[finite crag]

you could also just get close to him and blast him with the

cause that lets you take his bum out with only using 80 cells

[last flower]

I don't have the bfg in the game yet.

I have the other 5 guns tho

Im trying to make use of the rocket launcher and plasma rifle.

But it's damn hard to get shots without getting too close and dying.

[finite crag]

yeah the cyberdemon has the most damaging attack in the gam

also don't use rockets against him

[last flower]

So plasma rifle?

[finite crag]

cyberdemon and the spiderdemon don't take damage from explosions

use that it can also stun him

[last flower]

Tho the range of the plasma rifle is low and I run out of ammo quick.

[finite crag]

oh

[royal heron]

me who speedruns:

[vocal summit]

the game starts feeling unplayable for me at 20

[royal heron]

I mean 20 fps yeah

I can switch between a lot of framerates tbh but 35 always feels natural to me

the only exception to that rule is probably geometry dash

[vocal summit]

as long as the frametimes are stable i don't give a shit honestly, it just feels like 60

i always play with rendering interpolation off in gzdoom

[last flower]

YES I DEFEATED THE CYBERDEMON WITH A SUCCESSFUL GLITCH

IT KEEPS HITTING AT THE BUTTON PILLAR BUT I CAN HIT AT IT UNTIL IT DIED.

The button pillar blocked its shots and it never left the opposite room.

[violet sundial]

6 imps spawning in on my corpse moments before it's a corpse!

[last flower]

With this glitch I defeated the cyberdemon a second time.

[vast reef]

quicker movement??

[last flower]

Yea it's much smoother and quicker compared to dosbox.

[vast reef]

why would you use dosbox though

[last flower]

Dosbox is choppy gameplay.

[vast reef]

but yeah it does kind of feel smoother

[prime lava]

60hz 🙂

[onyx crow]

true

[young pond]

DOOM Ray Traced Mod | E4M7 https://youtu.be/7zduqhnRicI

[unique shoal]

Does in work with brutal doom ? ( Asking for lz doom )

[royal heron]

it does, but will have less features I think

[vocal summit]

no i think it works exactly the same

lzdoom is just gzdoom with a different renderer

it's easier to use gles in gzdoom 4.7.1

[marble phoenix]

Say, what do you guys think is inside those exploding barrels that makes them so volatile?

to the point where just punching them causes them to blow up

Actually now that I think about it, maybe Doomguy is just that strong

[finite crag]

LMao breaks science with his strength

[marble phoenix]

Well, the UAC had already said “f*ck science” when they discovered hell was real

[finite crag]

true lol

[marble phoenix]

Speaking of which, what were they even trying to do back in classic Doom?

Did we ever get any explanation as to why they opened a portal to hell?

[finite crag]

It was an accident

With the portals between phobos and deimos

[marble phoenix]

Yeah, but then they still decided to venture in there and build bases there too, right?

[finite crag]

Argent Energy I guess

[marble phoenix]

That wasn’t a thing yet though

[finite crag]

Well if you go off the shared timeline

They started colonizing Mars, and from that they discovered Argent Plasma in a trench several decades later

[marble phoenix]

Right

Come to think of it, the UAC made a lot of f*cking stupid decisions when they discovered hell

[finite crag]

Yeah

[marble phoenix]

“Let’s give this giant uncontrollable demon a rocket launcher for an arm!”

[finite crag]

According to the shared timeline 50 years after finding Plasma Argent they went to hell teleport stuff and found tablets

[finite crag]

10/10 Expert Level Smarts

[marble phoenix]

“And this giant fat thing flamethrowers!”

Makes me think of that moment in asdfmovie

The Science Show

[finite crag]

Tho were they weaponized before or after corrpution

UAC has had so many corrupt people

[marble phoenix]

“Demons with futuristic weaponry! <gets hit by a rocket> Whose idea was this?!”

[finite crag]

"Okay so yall know how the demons hate us"
"Well I think we should give them advanced weaponry"
"This way they probably won't hate us right?"

[marble phoenix]

Wait do you get what I’m referencing

Or nah

[finite crag]

Nope

[marble phoenix]

Go on YouTube and search “asdf the science show”

It’s a 6 second long video

[finite crag]

Oh I've seen that b4

[marble phoenix]

Yeah, now do you get was I was trying to say?

[finite crag]

yeah

[marble phoenix]

It sounded a lot funnier in my head 😕

[tacit remnant]

Don’t bother trying to rationalize exploding barrels. The answer always comes back to “combustion doesn’t work that way”

[azure nimbus]

plasma projectiles have infinite range.

[violet sundial]

Nuclear accident

It's what happens when your brain explodes

Y'all think this game is about demons but a demon is an evil spirit and a spirit is a memory. The game is literally about a psych ward patient lmao

Some dude working at a reactor who loves Space crossed the line and decided to colonize Mars in his imagination

Doomguy is Elon Musk

From the future

Go watch the nuclear fusion video

[azure nimbus]

thoughts on the new unity mapset, arrival?

[weak belfry]

Hey, anybody got a chill mood that I could check out?

[azure nimbus]

rowdy rudy from doomkid, struggle Antaresian Legacy, skillsaw stuff is somewhat harder but still "casual" so to speak, hellground(if you want spooky secrets)

[vocal summit]

its ok

it's a bit too slaughtermappy for my taste

[azure nimbus]

slaughtermappy on a limited vanilla port? Surprising

[vocal summit]

honestly if you shoot once with the pistol on accident in the first map you're dead

[tacit remnant]

…….holy shit that’s intense

[azure nimbus]

I'm playing the first level now. It's definitely the most violent of the unity add ons. I don't think that it's as "hard" as plutonia but it's more boom boom

[summer lantern]

Wait you can swear in this server

[tacit remnant]

I need to give it a try just to see how crazy it is

[azure nimbus]

No, Molly has 4 s before she detonates :(

[tacit remnant]

Swears are fine, slurs are not

[azure nimbus]

save before you pick up the blue key lmao

[tacit remnant]

Okay

[azure nimbus]

As someone spoiled for choice with a source port, having played Ribbiks, and Skillsaw, this is a very solid first map. Pretty unique combat too

[vocal summit]

why are there so many revenants

i got nailed by a revenant rocket right to the face

[tacit remnant]

Revenants are hard WADs’ best friend

[azure nimbus]

they're small size, lowish health, and scary projectile, and fast speed make them a pretty unique monster

[vocal summit]

most importantly

bones