classic-doom

[cosmic pagoda]

not vanilla complevel tho

and a bit slaughtery

[fast mortar]

Why would you skip such a beautiful cinematic masterpiece of a map

[vast reef]

i don't want to be cancelled for this but the brutal doom icon of sin fight is epic

[hallow herald]

That’ll happen quite a bit the first time around

[royal heron]

I mean it does have 3000 health after all

[waxen zealot]

Although it is a true F tier Demon

[royal heron]

hitbox is fucked, wide af, shotgun chaingun, etc.

[oblique blaze]

ok

[azure nimbus]

mostly they're too clunky and infight everything but get stuck

[spice radish]

Sunlust is great but can’t play it with Crispy Doom

[azure nimbus]

I'm not saying to get every port under the sun but it takes some 5 min to download a BOOM compatable port so that's not a big deal imo

[spice radish]

Your right I could just install say PRBoom+ but I just found Crispy Doom to be easier to setup.

So naturally that’s what I prefer

[azure nimbus]

maybe you'd like DSDA or WOOF. WOOF has been very easy for me to set up and it works with ZDL. WOOF has a vanilla, boom, mbf, and mbf21 default compat settings too. I don't know 100 % if it's demo compatible but it'll run boom easily at high res with much less lag than something like eternity

[spice radish]

Hear a lot about DSDA-Doom in this chat think I’ll finally take a look at it.

[azure nimbus]

DSDA, or at least my understanding of it, is that it's basically prboom+ but a more updated version. I got it to run relatively easily with the DSDA launcher but it lacks controller support so I stick to WOOF for now. As far as need: I want stuff that runs relatively smoothly, has controller support, and comp levels. And hopefully, it has the correct kills and secret count. WOOF has all of these. GZDOOM of course is needed for heavier mods like pirate doom. Eternity is needed for precisely heartland(only runs on that). If I wanted to make demos, well idk how to do that anyway. I stream just fine with twitch without demos

[cosmic pagoda]

depends, if used well they can be a menace

sure if you dump one on the floor with the player who has plasma or bfg, they are a pushover

[waxen zealot]

I just finished the whole plutonia

it took 56 hrs

UV-Fast no saves, with -solo-net monsters

[waxen zealot]

Certainly, but in large arenas/huge fights, unless used extremly well as a far range sniper or something, its not too much of a threat in my opinion. (But quite bad when its UV-Fast or Nightmare.)

[safe moon]

i mean alot of things are better than the vanilla icon of sin fight, also the spider mastermind one but that one's funny thus better

[zenith berry]

Microsoft just bought Activision-Blizzard.

Microsoft owns ZeniMax.
ZeniMax owns Bethesda.
Bethesda owns id Software, creators of Wolfenstein. Doom, Quake and all its engines.
Activision owns Raven Software.
Raven Software made Heretic and Hexen.

NOW WHERE ARE MY HERETIC/HEXEN REMASTERS (oh and please Quake IV on XGP and Wolfenstein 2009 back in stores and on XGP thank u)

[eternal lance]

was about to ask the same thing

[safe moon]

i recommend getting doom runner, even if you dont use mods, that one specifically has a tab dedicated to maps and will automatically detect anything you got if you organize your maps in one folder, even has the ability to add command lines for every preset if you do that kind of stuff
plus you might need it for some wads that requires you to run it with a patch and/or resource pack

[safe moon]

waaiitt wut-

is bobby still on there-

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah I had "higher up, out of autoaim range" in mind

more painful than revenants used the same way

[waxen zealot]

I am playing through Plutonia right now... WITH FAST MONSTERS. SNIPPING REVENANTS ARE NIGHTMARES.

[zenith berry]

Plutonia Masochism Mode

[safe moon]

now do it on nightmare

[waxen zealot]

Isn't -fast and -solo-net ENOUGH? HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT ME TO SUFFER?

[azure nimbus]

-solo-net nightmare tnt map28 pacifist 100s of course

[safe moon]

oh right pacifist runs

[azure nimbus]

pacifist UVmax

[safe moon]

map02 when

[azure nimbus]

it is conceptually possible to uvmax pacifist since killing projectiles can be thrown simultaniously and barrels and crushers exist. Archies can even damage themselves with blast damage

[waxen zealot]

I just don't understand how do you do it with the hit scan heck

[cosmic pagoda]

Is there even a tas?

Or you mean map02 doom2?

That has been done

[waxen zealot]

You mean Pacifist? or Nightmare Pacifist?

[cosmic pagoda]

pacifict not nm

[waxen zealot]

If you are talking about Pacifist, Zero Master did a RUN WITH OUT TAS

[waxen zealot]

To anyone who does Nightmare Pacifist though, I give them my deepest respect

[spice radish]

May Raven Software be freed from the eternal damnation that is Call of Duty

[waxen zealot]

Agreed

[smoky lodge]

Brutal Doom in general is epic

[smoky lodge]

Map 2-3..shivers Those two maps are ruthless imo

[waxen zealot]

2 words: Hitscan Hek

*heck

[smoky lodge]

Indeed. The rest seem pretty straight forward other than maybe 29

Thats the only other hard map i can think of

[cosmic pagoda]

Brutal doom is ruined by having jumping, mouselook and changed weapons

[dull snow]

Dude there's rules about saying this kind of thing, knock it off. This isn't a statement to make without proof, regardless

[azure nimbus]

Play stuff that is an appropriate difficulty for you. Slightly better than your comfort level will allow you to practice better: Not saving much, perhaps before fights but not every second. Watch some decino: his commentary is very helpful and taught me a lot. You can practice specific movements: Like doing the lil back and forth maneuver to force revenant punches, practicing two-tapping the cyberdemon(I like to load up e2m8 and use idkfa to get a bfg for the practice).

I'll admit that I save scum really hard on a first playthrough as I learn a level but then try saving less and less as I practice after having learned it

[calm cradle]

As problematic that developers past was, please refrain from that sort of language please @cosmic pagoda

[finite crag]

brutal doom doesn't have mouselook nor jumping on by default
hell, you can perfectly play brutal doom without mlook or jumping

[azure nimbus]

almost certainly was discussing the dude who made brutal doom. Look into if you want, but he's a bit of uh strange guy as far as I can tell which might warrant some criticism

the biggest thing is to just play doom. doing a thing makes you better at the thing.

[harsh badger]

and the consequence for this is the autoaim being disabled

the only, consequence

[finite crag]

true

[dull snow]

Autoaim is controlled in player options, not mouse options

You're probably just looking in the wrong spot

[harsh badger]

it has the +WEAPON.NO_AUTOAIM flag i think

[zenith berry]

If you die on a Solo Net mode, do you automatically respawn as if you’re playing a normal deathmatch server or will it still restart the level as if you actually died?

[dapper flint]

Yes. Which is why I recommend just restarting

[safe moon]

Play on the purist mode and that thing reactivates, play it with vanilla essence, it turns into brutal boom

At that point the I think I'd rather play final doomer unless I specifically want the new enemy behaviors in which case marky made a convenient separate wad for that (or is it a pk3, idk)

[royal heron]

bobby is dead

[safe moon]

Good

[past field]

At this point I dont give a shit, just give us a new heretic game please raven software

All we got was just 2 heretic games and they just forgot about it

[safe moon]

In the mean time, enjoy sum amid evil (it is surprisingly optimized)

[fickle adder]

[past field]

Does it run good?

Like does it run decent unlike most of the UE4 games I have played?

[safe moon]

It runs 60fps epic gwafix on my god damn i5 (granted it does have 940mx but still)

Also there's some fun lil things they did with the game, like all of the pick ups are 2d assets and your weapons even are just 2d sprites with mapped lighting on top of it

[past field]

Welp, then in that case, I’ll get the demo now and sew if its good

Imma just hope ray-tracing isnt on default cuz I wouldnt want the game running like 1fps when I open the game

[safe moon]

Oh dw, its off by default unless you launched the directx12 version somehow

[past field]

Oh cool

I’ll just not play the RTX ver

Ooh the startup logo looks like the one in doom 64

Me like

[safe moon]

Anyways back 2 doom, I think there's a gsmeplay mod called schism that's very very heretic based

Even compatible with heretic and hexen

Haven't tried it yet but it seems a bit more complex than that

[steel lion]

whats worse? trying to kill a cyberdemon with the chaingun or trying to kill 300 archiviles with the plasma rifle?

[waxen coyote]

Archiviles

[safe moon]

The archvilles but the last one sounds fun

[past field]

300 archviles

[safe moon]

If the map design compensated for it

[past field]

You will die in seconds

[steel lion]

yeah

[safe moon]

Closest thing I could think of this 200 megahurtz from going down

Basically 100 archvilles and 100 pain elementals

Have fun!

[steel lion]

and suppose you have infinite ammo

[safe moon]

Nope

Just good old fashioned vanilla style

Hold onto your bfg or plasma rifle or whatever

[steel lion]

you should need like 220 shots kill him

[safe moon]

Ngl doe,the part I hate most about the map was the pain elementals because I hate them specifically

[steel lion]

in groups is bad,using boom complevel is WORSE

[safe moon]

Omg wait, I should see what happens when I play that map with doom 4 vanilla

Since it turns pain elementals into stationary lost soul shooters that eventually dies out of cringe and existence

[safe moon]

What h happens in boom

[steel lion]

cause pain elementals can summon infinite lost souls

[safe moon]

Oh- I always just assume that they can always do that

Never run into that problem too much since they immediately turn into priority no. 1 for me

[steel lion]

no in complevels 0-1-2-3 and i think 4 the lost souls have a limit of 21

[safe moon]

as I ignore the hellfire coming from the usual caco's and hellknights surrounding him

[steel lion]

that limit causes a bug in tnt's map 28

where the pe's cant spawn lost souls because there are to many of them in the exit room

[safe moon]

At least I know of that you can telefrag the lost souls when you're point black and keep bothering their personal space

[safe moon]

Oh joy, I'm currently in map25 doing this thing called being lost and being too lazy to look up a walk through

[azure nimbus]

even in vanilla doom that happens. map09 The Pit on UV has that issue

[finite crag]

Uh yeah 300 archviles is a bit worse

[azure nimbus]

is my math right here: 300 * 700 = total archvile health for all of them. 22.5(~average damage of a plasma bolt) per (3/35) s (https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Plasma_gun).
so damage per second is 22.5/(3/35). So time taken to kill them should be 300*700/( 22.5/(3/35)) =800. That's 800 s.

Chaingunning a cyber should take 4000/(10/(9/35)) s = 102.9 s.
I couldn't find the exact number on the wiki but it suggested that the chaingun shoots thrice as slow as the plasma. And the average damage per shot is 10.

Outside of that, archviles is definitely worse. Chaingunning a cyber just takes a while. 300 archviles will murder you instantly so hard that you get launched out of the map

[finite crag]

Also the fact that it would be insanely hard to survive the archviles at all

You would basically have to run at all times to avoid getting obliterated

1 Cyberdemon isn’t anywhere near that much trouble

[dapper flint]

Definitely lol

[waxen zealot]

PAIN

[grim pollen]

That one cyberdemonon the Silos in MM2 begs to differ.

[azure nimbus]

uhhhh invuln feed to a voodoo doll off screen dw

[finite crag]

Now if it was 300 archviles vs 300 cyber demons

I think you would have a closer comparison

[dapper flint]

Well the cyber wouldn't be taking the full damage of the arch attack because it's immunity to blast damage.

And it wouldn't target the arch anyways

[azure nimbus]

cool thing that map25 Alien Vendetta takes advantage of in that room with some 20 arches that infight a cyber.

[dapper flint]

Is that the part when it's behind the fence ?

Or gate I guess

[azure nimbus]

yeah there are two switches. Each opens half the door. So open one and let them fight

[azure nimbus]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1267791156?t=01h02m22s this part

[dapper flint]

Hahahah yeah poor things

[azure nimbus]

maybe I had me problems, but I actually found map06 more difficult than this one

[idle salmon]

I just finished doom 1 and it was epic

[waxen zealot]

Just wait till Doom 2 😉

[smoky lodge]

Wait until you get to meet the nasties..chaingunners, arch viles, revenants, pain elementals 😉

[idle salmon]

Oh god i forgot that

Which one do you guys prefer?

[grim pollen]

Arch-viles for the creative gameplay but probably revenant overall. Able to be used frequently and the glass cannon approach doesn't make them overly annoying.

[smoky lodge]

Doom 2 is fun the levels are more diverse than D1. Once you start playing the mega wads though like Sunder thats when you get to have real fun

Or even Final Doom

[azure nimbus]

plutonia really is a great way to bridge the gap from true vanilla to larger more complex custom maps

[smoky lodge]

Okupluk is the most insane map i've been playing on for months now

[grim pollen]

I never recommend stuff like Sunder because imo the player becomes extremely dedicated to custom doom content they'll for sure find it eventually but throw that early at a slaughtermap hater and they'll think it's stupid 😦

[dapper flint]

Sunder is good times

[royal heron]

all this slaughter reminds me I need to get back to Scythe's Map26

first slaughter experience I've ever had, it was a pretty good one

played it on HMP though, revisiting it on UV with no saves

[azure nimbus]

yeah if I played Alien Vendetta first, idk if I'd like it as much (it isnt slaughter but just the idea of doing more reasonable stuff earlier)

[royal heron]

and well... funnily enough I managed to do it today

4th try or smthing?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/933142028575981699/Screen_Shot_2022-01-18_at_6.33.05_PM.png

maybe my skills did improve a bit

at this point I may as well revisit Scythe in general

I played the first two episodes UV, the third on HMP

[safe moon]

i keep on forgetting that i had my pistol start mod on every time i wanna mess with sum mods and/or maps lol

[azure nimbus]

gaming

[waxen zealot]

Welp, I changed my pfp and name to a more fitting one for the wad I'm about to play

[vast reef]

ngl gzdoom's pretty much a modern remaster of the original doom, especially if you play it with smooth doom

[azure nimbus]

I might give that honor more readily to BOOM than gzdoom. BOOM keeps the original feel closer

[vast reef]

gzdoom's a modern rendition i mean

it's pretty darn far from the original doom

and has a lot of modern QoL

[waxen zealot]

For me too, Boom is the best to Original 🙂

[slim willow]

holy shit it's sunlust.wad as a discord user

[finite crag]

hi

[waxen zealot]

yay

[dapper flint]

Fantastic controller movement too

[vast reef]

yes

also is the eternity engine allowed in speedruns

[safe moon]

i prefer the alternative version of smooth doom, keeps the frames clean and aligned and adding extra frames while not looking like 60fps interpolated video of a anime scene on youtube and having that ol vanilla choppy feeling

also i love the post processing features in gzdoom honestly

like i think the bloom is like done very well

and fits in with the environment while not being too much and blinding your eyes

[vast reef]

yes

nobody likes the other one

[vast reef]

yep, and the AO also looks pretty damn good but is an FPS killer

[safe moon]

i mean lotsa people still use it since others just want sum smooth 60fps

[safe moon]

oh definitely, not gonna stop me from using it on some of the more detailed wads

[vast reef]

i use it for screenshots and screenshots alone because my PC is absolute garbage

[safe moon]

sobs

[vast reef]

i still like the original doom vibe though

it looked magical to me when i first discovered it

[dapper flint]

It should be yes.

[safe moon]

yeah thats why im kind of switching to nugget doom rn

[vast reef]

aight, thanks

[safe moon]

at the same time i already have a mod that makes gzdoom look more vanilla and act a bit more vanilla...

[vast reef]

i'll check that out

[vast reef]

vanilla essence?

[safe moon]

too vanilla, it has that mouse movement thing where you move your mouse up n down and then affects ur movement

[vast reef]

i've pretty much memorized the GZDoom options at this point ngl

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/yWI123z

Gz has some beautiful maps though

[vast reef]

i'm not a big fan of that but it's saved my ass a few times

[vast reef]

duh

[safe moon]

i had to enable mouselook to stop that but atleast i can still use the gzdoom mouselook

[vast reef]

i still have it off in prboom though

[dapper flint]

?

[safe moon]

since vanilla essence and gzdoom settings are seperate

[vast reef]

gzdoom has nice maps

[safe moon]

really need me some more build engine inspired maps

[slim willow]

GZ is known for its maps that don't even feel like Doom. Slopes, fog, all that.

[dapper flint]

This one especially would not be fun in anything other than 60fps

I don't know. A map that's hell soaked in blood seems pretty doom to me

[safe moon]

lets just call it "build engine-lite"

[dapper flint]

Probably one of the best doom maps other than hurt that I've played in a while. Extremely well made

Combat in tartarus is definitely better though

[safe moon]

as a side note: for some reason the build engine games doesnt really click with me tbh doe i would still love more build engine inspired stuff cuz me wanna explore

[vast reef]

there's like 4 lines of id tech code left in the gzdoom engine

[slim willow]

Tbh the only one I actually adore is Blood.

[safe moon]

oh yeah, blood is real good... i'll still play it on the easiest difficulty cuz those hitscanners are just mean

[slim willow]

yeah the cultists can be bastards

[safe moon]

atleast they got that really cool burning animation

that people kept using for their mods cuz why not, its too good

[steel lion]

the ssg is so broken that you dont need to use the shotgun again

unless you dont have much ammo

i know

but is better killing a revenant,hell knight,mancubus etc

and i always have the chaingun for sniping or other reasons

[safe moon]

this is why i like mods that buffs the combat shotgun and pistol

like rowdy rudy 2 weapons has the nutiest shooting speed lol

[steel lion]

i dont like modding doom sincerely

[safe moon]

well rowdy rudy wads are more or less just partial conversions

[steel lion]

i dont use it after map 2

[safe moon]

idk man, you're kinda missing out on this '3'

[steel lion]

i can be useful

i think after map 5 you need to use the ssg obligatory

[safe moon]

doe i'd prefer the super shotgun to have like decreased range just so that the combat shotgun would get more use, also honestly using the super shotgun all of the time just encourages more covering tbh... well unless the demons are like revenants and mancubusses cuz otherwise gl with that combat shotgun of yours

[steel lion]

for weaker demons i use the chaingun

so i dont waste shells

i kill pinkies/spectres and lost souls with the ssg

[safe moon]

i mostly use that for range and also if my instinct says that the hallway is just gonna be filled with lower tier enemies

[steel lion]

you mean sniping?

[safe moon]

i use the chaingun now for the lost souls unless they're really damn near, finding out that i can one tap the chaingun is just way too good for those lost souls

cuz they never miss if you just tap mouse1 once and rapidly

[steel lion]

yeah they have 100% pain chance

[safe moon]

i think 1-tapping chaingun seems to be way more effective with killing, even the heavier demons but they're more likely to get out of their pain state if you dont time them correctly

[steel lion]

i use it cause i kill them faster

a hell knoght requires 3 ssg blast to be killed

[safe moon]

ye and just found out that it takes like 8 combat shotgun shots to kill em

[steel lion]

in ammo saving its better

[safe moon]

if you wanna be efficient with your ammo conservation, 2 ssg shots and one combat shot

[steel lion]

sometimes

[safe moon]

or just beat em up lol

that one last ssg shot is a bit overkill and they dont have much health after the first two unless you whiffed your shots

too bad the weapon switching takes way too long for my doom 2016 exposed brain

[steel lion]

its a bit slow

but its because it isnt made to change a lot in a few seconds

[safe moon]

yeah, oh well, gotta deal with it ig

[steel lion]

something i hate about the mobile source port is that if you grabbed the chainsaw you cant switch back to the fist

even when you have a beserk

when you grab it swtiches to the fist but when you change to any other weapon you cant switch to fist

[vast reef]

press the chainsaw key twice

[gusty falcon]

that's not true

[steel lion]

no it doesnt work with my celphone

im going to try

[vast reef]

your cell phone is weird

[steel lion]

idk maybe i was pressing it bad

it dindt detect

it doesnt switch

i have the berserk

[gusty falcon]

are you using Delta or the awful official mobile port

[steel lion]

the bethesda one

[vast reef]

no

[gusty falcon]

switch to Delta it's got actual PC source ports so crap like that won't be an issue ever again

[safe moon]

i played the mobile port first before moving back to pc lol

[steel lion]

but i can switch normally between the ssg and the shotgun

[gusty falcon]

again it's an awful port

[vast reef]

is your phone cracked

[steel lion]

no

[gusty falcon]

doesn't matter

[steel lion]

its pirated

[safe moon]

wait no i just remembered, while hacking my 2ds i somehow accidentally installed doom on there

so that was my first time playing doom till i lost that sd card

[gusty falcon]

just buy Delta it's so much better in every way

it makes the official mobile ports look like the lazy trash that they are

[steel lion]

ok

[vast reef]

delta touch can't be pirated

[gusty falcon]

yeah unless it's a really old version

[safe moon]

id have to pirate delta touch on my phone cuz it doesnt have the google playstore sobs

[gusty falcon]

darn not much can be done there

[steel lion]

does delta touch support an external control

[gusty falcon]

you need Google play services for the licence check

it does support controller

really well I might add

[steel lion]

im trying delta touch for the first time

[royal heron]

yes, pretty sure

[safe moon]

okay map26 the abandoned mines from tnt is now one of my favorite maps lol

its very simplistic and esay, shoulda been put earlier in the wad mayhaps but its good, i had fun atleast

[steel lion]

its pretty good

[safe moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/151894321199710208/933240027264204870/unknown.png?width=886&height=498

[dapper flint]

That's alot of pain

[steel lion]

what is the difference between chocolate doom and prboom?

[vast reef]

prboom is a fork of boom
chocolate doom is a source port meant to be nearly the same as dos doom

[steel lion]

oh thanks

[vast reef]

prboom's better imo

you play vanilla on gzdoom most of the time, right?

[steel lion]

yes and no

i ussually play on gzdoom because i just summon things and kill them with mega fast cahingun, etc.

but when i play normally i use prboom

[vast reef]

i refrain from using gzdoom because whenever i tell someone i beat a level on gz (granted, if the map isn't gzdoom-exclusive) they say it doesn't count

and i kind of see where they're coming from

[steel lion]

i think if you have beaten the level without any thing that is considered a cheat you beated it

[dapper flint]

Unfortunately as a controller player I have to use gz doom to play some maps solo net because the eternity devs refuse to implement a working solo net. I play all vanilla though so I'd say it definitely counts

[foggy notch]

I play on Nintendo switch

[vast reef]

no

[dapper flint]

That would be unity

[steel lion]

i use a pc or delta touch

[vast reef]

i mean

[steel lion]

it wasnt the bfg edition?

[dapper flint]

No

[vast reef]

you'd have to turn off some stuff in gzdoom, and even then some things still aren't there

some maps exploit screwy thingies in the original engine

[dapper flint]

I've compared my settings to eternity and they are identical in every way and tested maps

It's doable

[steel lion]

i think prboom is more for speedrunning and classic things

[dapper flint]

I'm also friends with a few very dedicated doom players and no one says it doesn't count

Not one

Also there are a few good gz only maps which I would say count if you best them lol

I'd say the one and only glaring issue is the hit boxes in gz for monsters. But testing syringe on eternity and then gz I noticed nothing at all after I did some tweaking

[safe moon]

well thats some purist bull

also that just means they've automatically just discarded every single wad that only works on gzdoom

[dapper flint]

Yeah no one actually thinks that way don't worry haha

[safe moon]

idk man, it's the internet

[dapper flint]

This is true. But whoever thinks that has a dumb opinion so it's okay

[safe moon]

yeah i dont think this was supposed to happen

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/732667448574345278/933254610750165052/unknown.png?width=886&height=498

[steel lion]

change it

are you using prboom+?

[safe moon]

somewhat, its nugget doom

a fork of this is woof which was a fork of winmbf idk what any of these means

whatever its all boom

[safe moon]

i just gave up and idclipped, im just so done with tnt rn

[royal heron]

Yeah, that's an extremely common bug

The staircases not rising properly

Also, the icon of sin fight in tnt is screwy lol

The opening is actually below the brain hole

Or alternatively you could archvile jump to the exit

Yeah, it has an exit

I think it was put there for deathmatch purposes

[azure nimbus]

these stairs use a bug to build properly. BOOM "fixes" the bug so you can't climb these stairs. Either play on whatever vanilla default comp level you can find in the settings or find "use doom's stairbuilding method" and select "yes"

[safe moon]

hmm seems to be functional in gzdoom

`

[safe moon]

yup that worked

[vast reef]

every time i watch one of my demos i realize how bad i am at this game

[royal heron]

Uh why would you do that

[vast reef]

that's not how you run it

just open the gzdoom exe and you'll be fine because it'll find the iwad files on your computer

the iwads are the .wad files in the game files

those have all of the game's resources and levels

[royal heron]

not possible

[vast reef]

not possible

i added gzdoom to my steam library and i still have zero hours in it apparently

[daring lava]

yeah i don't think it works. it used to though

[vast reef]

hope it gets fixed some time

[daring lava]

hopefully

[vast reef]

steam updates so much

[daring lava]

yeah steam does. Imagine if GZDOOM got added to Steam, that'd be crazy

and you could use your own wads like you can at the moment

[royal heron]

um

wat

[pearl osprey]

iirc there are some GZDoom games on steam so if the GZDoom devs really wanted they can publish it on steam

[royal heron]

they can, but honestly probably no need to

[daring lava]

yeah there's no need tbh

[pearl osprey]

Yeah I don't see the point either

[royal heron]

it could make it more accessible though, but it's still the most popular port

so its unnecessary

hm if I did Scythe Map26 just yesterday, I think that comfirms that I can do plutonia's map32 pretty well

Scythe's 3rd episode is around plutonia level if not higher

[vast reef]

what port do you use btw

if rocket jumping is enabled yes

[royal heron]

yes, only if you have rocket boosts on

[vast reef]

i used it to get out of a spot that one time

[royal heron]

DSDA-Doom, Eternity Engine for casual playing, GZDoom for mods or testing out WADs

[pearl osprey]

Yea

[vast reef]

is there any way to run DSDA doom without building it

oh wait they have a thingy on the doomworld thread

[pearl osprey]

For windows on the doomworld forum there are pre built binaries

[molten iron]

Rocket jumping can be done on vanilla, its just a different type of rocket jump
You cant shoot it down to go up, but you can shoot it into a wall to get speed to pass a hole

[royal heron]

^

you run them via command prompt on windows, or you can use the handy DSDA-Launcher

Built by this dude here@molten iron

[vast reef]

where do i get this said launcher

[royal heron]

on his github page

I'll link it here

https://github.com/Pedro-Beirao/dsda-launcher/releases

I just pulled off a pretty risky maneuver that I'm pretty proud of lmao

[molten iron]

If you have any problem with the launcher, let me know :P

[prime lava]

OpieOP

I've not done casual play for a while so I haven't had a chance to use it, sorry PB :p

[royal heron]

yellow door cybie, still have the megasphere there

[prime lava]

Torturing myself with demos 🙂

plep2 🙂

italo 🙂

[azure nimbus]

kinda. on the most vanilla settings, rockets do not provide vertical propulsion on what they explode

[royal heron]

decided to try two shotting it by prefiring BFG so it'd hit right away, then rely on the cyberdemon rocket to push me back into the megasphere while I shot the bfg again to two-shot it

[prime lava]

I was doing italo-doom map02 max, goal is about 2:10 though with some luck you can do sub 2.. but my yolo strats absolutely fucking suck to do

[azure nimbus]

prefiring bfgs is da best

[prime lava]

I've died after the red switch about 20 times 🙂

[royal heron]

italo seems so insane when thinking about is casually :P

[molten iron]

I find the launcher specially useful for speedrunning since it is very easy to create preset for runs (using the .state files)
I never liked making .bat / .sh files anyway

[prime lava]

Idk, I just have organized folders of bat files and they work for me, if I need a new one I copy paste and rename/edit OpieOP

bat files are fine

[royal heron]

goddamn just died to a sniping cyberdemon :/

I rewound but I can't count this attempt then

[prime lava]

what map?

[royal heron]

was trying plut map32 after I did Scythe map26 pistol start on UV yesterday

[prime lava]

ah alright

[fringe dew]

https://youtu.be/ajpx8b0_qnY

[smoky lodge]

You mean like since Doom was first ever created??

Well i've been playing the game since I was 4 and that was around the time Doom was gaining momentum

[zenith berry]

My dad played Wolfenstein 3D and Doom when they were all new.

He does not seem to remember Doom that much but he definitely remembers Wolf3D

[smoky lodge]

Wolfenstein 3D is hard for me to get into sadly and that's only because it's more exploring then it is action. I remember having to memorize the entire lay out of the map so i didn't get lost lol

[fast mortar]

Wolf 3D is pretty fun for me, it just isnt a game to play for hours since it becomes monotonous at certain points

[molten iron]

Ive been working on a 3d renderer (Sort of a source port, but with no actual gameplay) using Python and OpenGL.
So far Ive been able to display the maps in 3d and apply textures to them (sry for the placeholder texture)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727127304555331585/933392731143827496/Screenshot_2022-01-19_at_16.07.02.jpg

This is the beguining of e1m1 btw

[waxen zealot]

oh what did you do

[molten iron]

Now this looks a little bit better :P
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727127304555331585/933401149434921040/Screenshot_2022-01-19_at_16.42.48.jpg

[steel lion]

yeah

[dapper flint]

Me too

[steel lion]

my dad at least had a nes

[waxen zealot]

I just realised how big of a mistake is to leave the 21 lost soul limit off for God Machine

That last pain elemental wave...

[dapper flint]

Balls of steel right there

[waxen zealot]

yeah...

I need to turn that back on otherwise my PC is just going to burn

[dapper flint]

Now picture unlimited soul count with fast monsters enabled.. pain elementals earn the name

[steel lion]

More like balls pain

There 21k people online

[waxen zealot]

Just beated Go 2 it 🙂

[smoky lodge]

I hate to sound stupid here, but did you create this?

[smoky lodge]

I love that map on Plutonia

[waxen zealot]

yup, the first slaughter map in a commerical doom wad! Very fun

[pearl osprey]

Yes he did it's really imprrssive

[smoky lodge]

That's freaking awesome!

[molten iron]

Yep

Its for a college project

[smoky lodge]

That's amazing mate do you have a full playthrough of the entire map or is it just a resemblance of art creation? Like making that level in Minecraft would be considered in that example

[molten iron]

You can walk around the map like in any source port. But the aim of this project is to just be able to render the map , not to have gameplay like a normal source port

Also, the textures are not working correctly for now :P

[waxen zealot]

this reminds me of Doom, the way we remember it project 😉

[waxen zealot]

What are your guys opinion on Hell Revealed? (Both 1&2)

[royal heron]

They're... alright

[azure nimbus]

there are other hard wads that are more fun like a sunlust or combat shock 2

[halcyon willow]

Fun in coop. Not so good single player

[waxen zealot]

Ah I see. I think I agree to that poit

*Point

[halcyon willow]

It was good for the time but it's aged pretty poorly imo

Coop it flows a lot better

[waxen zealot]

Yeah, I definetly agree. I do enjoy HR 1 then HR 2

[steel lion]

im sad

i have most of my emulators with multiplayer features and none of my friends use those

[gusty falcon]

Hell revealed 😅

I watched Mt pain 27's video on that and i was instantly like nope not going near that with 10 foot pole ever

Unless I want to play Russian overkill or something

Because the sheer number of tanky enemies in that mapset is REDICULOUS

Correct me if I'm wrong but one of those maps has like 30 Barons in it

[dapper flint]

Yeah

[vivid vine]

Meanwhile Holy Hell Revealed

[waxen zealot]

the Barons are definetly irritating

rly reminds me of TNT

Some of those maps are rly shitty

Like Map22

[gusty falcon]

That's why it's best to play such an irritating mapset with a mod that makes you overpowered as hell

[waxen zealot]

haha

Alright...

Maybe Brutal Doom?

IDK

[gusty falcon]

Not enough that mod makes the Barron's even more powerful to match

Russian overkill

[waxen zealot]

Oh wow

alright, I'm in

[wide palm]

Doom

[gusty falcon]

I might just try it too and throw in something like bolognaise to just blast everything to gibs and paint the walls with barron blood mwahahaha

There's... A hell revealed.... TWO

?!

Next thing I know there will be q sunlust 2

[steel lion]

i hate mancubuses+

[vivid vine]

Theres a Holy Hell Revealed 2 as well

[gusty falcon]

Fucking hell save me

[vivid vine]

Maybe not, actually. Been a while. There is definitely a Holy Hell Revealed though

Ah it's a map. Based on Holy Hell. Then what was I thinking of as a map set? Hm.

[gusty falcon]

I am now set up to blast everything away

[waxen zealot]

Do me a favor okay? Unless you are semi-decino level, Hell Revealed 2 is HARD

Don't play it kids

unless you are a masochist

the first map alone is incredible, no barons thankfully, but just a ton of crap

[hasty cobalt]

just beat Italian doom on UV or whatever it’s called, overhyped and easy

[halcyon willow]

Lol whatever mate

[dapper flint]

Right....

[waxen zealot]

yeah... Italo-Doom? ...

[slim willow]

No no, I believe him. With my entire heart, I believe him.

[waxen zealot]

n-nah

I-I r-really don't....

[slim willow]

He was so committed to the wad, he managed to forget its name. Takes skill.

[dull snow]

play what you like, just don't be a dick about it ✨

[hasty cobalt]

wym

[waxen zealot]

I mean it is really possible to beat anything in Doom in my opinion, you just save-scum a bit 🙂

[steel lion]

in gzdoom is better

[hasty cobalt]

also yeah it is italo doom i think

[steel lion]

cuase you can make autosaves

[slim willow]

F2 ENTER spam

[hasty cobalt]

thanks cheese for backing me up here

not even that hard anyways

[slim willow]

uh yeah, sure

[vivid vine]

But then why is it worth mentioning

[hasty cobalt]

i always post whenever i beat a wad here even if it’s unremarkable

[vivid vine]

Was it UV Max?

[hasty cobalt]

who is max

[vivid vine]

So you didnt get all kills and secrets

[steel lion]

max nuts

[dapper flint]

This is why I record my runs. Then you don't look like you're full of shit

[hasty cobalt]

language bro don’t be mean

[waxen zealot]

Italo-Doom... Yeah I don't believe it

[vivid vine]

Play Dimensions next

[slim willow]

bad words 🤬

[hasty cobalt]

lego dimensions?

[vivid vine]

Dimensions.wad

[hasty cobalt]

i prefer lego Batman 2

[dapper flint]

I beat sunlust solo net fast no deaths with inverted controls

It was easy

[hasty cobalt]

lego avengers is also pretty cool

[steel lion]

wtf

[dapper flint]

Over hyped

[steel lion]

wtf

[slim willow]

Wait fr?

[waxen zealot]

heh?

[steel lion]

[hasty cobalt]

plot twist he was talking abt the server member not the wad

[dapper flint]

[hasty cobalt]

is this dude named fluffy boy

[waxen zealot]

11

[slim willow]

he is, got a problem with fluffy boys?

[hasty cobalt]

yes

[sonic thorn]

Wanker i died to a door on un I’m better then you

[dapper flint]

And a chair

[waxen zealot]

If you are a real Doom god, go for a pacifist run of Doom2 map 30

[gusty falcon]

I'm already like 3 maps into hell revealed still going what the hell is this weapon with Russian overkill

[sonic thorn]

That one hurts too much

[hasty cobalt]

bro playing Undertale while im playing doom

[slim willow]

overtale when

[gusty falcon]

It's the only thing i can say with every new weapon i pick up

[hasty cobalt]

like overwatch

[waxen zealot]

welp, Sunlust is great

[dapper flint]

Cocky

[waxen zealot]

Its the truth!

[hasty cobalt]

also bro said wanker

[gusty falcon]

Difficulty might be set too low cause I'm only seeing hell knights not Barrons

Or maybe I'm not in deep enough yet 😆

[dapper flint]

Hewhewhew

[gusty falcon]

I'm one difficulty from the

Let's make enemys start to deal real damage with my 900 health

[vivid vine]

Underfell

[sonic thorn]

Literally deltatale

[slim willow]

[waxen zealot]

the biggest Doom challenge I ever did was TNT nightmare no saves :/

and that H*LL

[prime lava]

Like you did 🙂

[waxen zealot]

That one I did actually do, it just took 7 months.

[prime lava]

sure 🙂

[gusty falcon]

Okay it takes Turing on the difficulty that also enables fast monsters with Russian overkill and actually make them strong enough to kill me as any decent speed

But that also makes it harder in another way

Alot of Russian overkills weapons have some long wind up before they fire

Fast monsters have already hit you twice before you can fire once

[meager kite]

Did the monsters bore you to death?

[waxen zealot]

No, mostly just ridiclousness of Nightmare in general, the hitscanners respawning/instant retaliation is unreal.

and lack of health :/

[royal heron]

If you did do it, then I would be surprised

Map02 and map09 are HELL on Nightmare, and only a select number of people have done it

I'm willing to give benefit of doubt

[waxen zealot]

haha, yeah... those maps were ABSOLUTE HELL

[royal heron]

confused is still trying for ev09 nm100s

Although rn he's doing plep2 nm100s

[waxen zealot]

It took like what.... 6 weeks to do map02 alone?

[royal heron]

How'd you do it with no saves anyway

[waxen zealot]

wdym?

with no saves?

[royal heron]

Ofc no saves, you can't save while recording a demo

[waxen zealot]

I didn't know how to make demos back then, so I just gived a no save rule 😭

[waxen zealot]

I really did wish I got everything on a demo though

[waxen zealot]

this was done like what... 4 years ago I think. My brother gived me the inspiration after seeing him beating Plutonia on Nightmare

[prime lava]

Coffee I'm sorry but don't listen to his crap 😛

You know better :P

And I don't really care about ev09ns anymore. My skills have improved a lot but I'm more interested in working for the plutonia d2all... Sure, my ability to cancel hitscanners and such is a lot better now, but I just don't care too much :^)

[waxen zealot]

ah I see, there is that person who think some people's achievements are fake, thats okay though. I know I did it myself, and that should be something I know

*the best

[prime lava]

😂

[waxen zealot]

XD

exactly!

[waxen zealot]

However, if you DO have a demo for compleleting all of Plutonia d2all, that would be very impressive

[prime lava]

I said I'm working on it

I have demos for episode 1 and episode 3 on the DSDA (NM100s, I mean)

And I have an episode 2 demo which died in map18

[waxen zealot]

oh nice.

[waxen zealot]

Oh well, doom is fun, and I guess there is real point to argue about it all that much

[waxen zealot]

were the chaingunners fun for you in your D2All run?

[prime lava]

I've not done any attempts yet, but in the ep1, ep2 and ep3 movies, I don't actually think the main problem is chaingunners at all? Let me think

[waxen zealot]

When I first pistol started every map of plutonia, my biggest enemy was really Cyberdemons and ammo. I SUCK at cyberdemons

and then I did the stupid thought of UV -fast and -solo-net... which I admit defeat because I was just dying WAY TOO MUCH

[prime lava]

Map02 and map08 have a mild chaingunner problem, but its not that bad
Map12 sucks, 14 has a lot of chaingunners but they are very rarely a cause of death, 15 has a lot but again, way too much health and also invuln, 32 has a fairly horrendous problem at the last fight.. but usually they aren't your biggest issue anyway, it's the AVs/revs/cybers
Map18 starts out very shit, the end of 20 you can die too with the chaingunners up the stairs to the exit
Map22 is annoying with chaingunner placement, and that's about it

I think 23 has a minor hitscan problem but the main issue is everything, really

Plutonia isn't as revolved around hitscan in general as other iwads :p

[waxen zealot]

True, I actually started pistol starting all of plutonia last week. (I didn't want to do fast monsters after that stupid attempt I mentioned turned out.)

[royal heron]

I mean I understand, ev09ns is kinda stupid

[waxen zealot]

Map15's chaingunners however... ARE STUPID

they just keep getting revived, and draining your ammo.

[royal heron]

I honestly have no idea what to run these days

[waxen zealot]

ofc thankfully the crushers kill them after a certain linedef

but still probably the most stupid trap I've encountered so far

arch-viles in unreachable places...

[royal heron]

I could try for a 9 on e1m1, but nah

Actually, I probably should be practicing on pactice hub

[waxen zealot]

good luck!

[limpid zinc]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/631243135061590026/933579978031898714/unknown.png?width=190&height=676

[dapper flint]

Uv plus fast can get a bit wild. Lately I've been leaning towards either uv plus or just playing a hard map or wad. I find myself playing pretty passive with fast monsters

Trying to find more strategy rather than developing skill

[vast reef]

this is more low-res than doom on dos

[limpid zinc]

You can actually read it if you download it

Discord is just stupid and makes the preview tiny

[vast reef]

no you snip-and-sketched this didn't you

it's still low res when i open it

[limpid zinc]

Do you consider 1403x5000px low res? That's the dimensions of the file on my computer. Discord might be compressing it if it's lower than that for you

[vast reef]

oh, discord's compressing it

even when i press the open original button it's still 190 x 676

[limpid zinc]

Discord moment

[meager kite]

ive started sunder

Prolly my favorite Wad

The fights are great and man the architecture is godly

[royal heron]

I for some reason have decided to suddenly start speedrunning e1m1

just got a 10.09...

[dapper flint]

Make sure you record or it doesn't count

[vast reef]

8

[prime lava]

record is 8 seconds

3 people have 8s 😄

[meager kite]

Best map in doom 2 is map 29

[royal heron]

nope, 8

8.91, 8.94, and 8.97 respectively

confused here got the 8.94

[royal heron]

ofc I'm recording demos

holy shit

I've gotten so used to speedrunning on a trackpad that mouse feels so weird to me now

player inputs that can be played back in game

[dapper flint]

You'd be surprised how many people just say they did something with no proof

[royal heron]

true true

[vast reef]

am i going to have to record all of my plutonia run to say i beat it

[royal heron]

like that guy who claimed he got a 17:31 RTA Doom II run

[meager kite]

Bro

I beat E1M1 in 6 seconds

On nighmare MAX

[dapper flint]

I mean if you want but plutonia is pretty doable for most

[vast reef]

send demo file

[meager kite]

I dont have any just trust me bro

[vast reef]

aight

[royal heron]

ye just trust me

holy shit I just did it LMFAO

the run was shitty, the movement shitty, but idc at this point

spent like 15 minutes about 500 attempts

not gonna try beating PBe's 9.8

took the Thomas Pilger route, and got his exact time

[slim willow]

I believe you. With my entire heart, I believe you.

[vast reef]

i know that a green cacodemon can do anything they set their mind to

so i believe you

[slim willow]

While we are at it sharing incredible accomplishments, I would like to announce that I have beaten every single Doom wad ever made on Nightmare using only a pair of Donkey Kong Bongos. Took me approximately 3 minutes (Doom is easy, especially slaughter wads) and I also feel it worth mentioning all maps were pistol started and I didn't even take a single percent of damage. You can find proof on nowhere because OBS stopped working... Sorry.

[dapper flint]

It's true I was there

[vast reef]

that's a pretty cool accomplishment, but i beat E1M1 on i'm too young to die with a record-breaking 56-hour time

i know it sounds impossible but trust me, i did it

[slim willow]

holy. shit.

[finite crag]

that's a pretty cool accomplishment
but I figured out how to use line action 242 after 4 years of not knowing how to use it

[slim willow]

thats cool, but i failed to mention i did it on the hot wheels computer

[finite crag]

holy hell (revealed)

[zenith berry]

Which do you think is more difficult: Italo Doom or Sunlust?

[dapper flint]

Haven't played it. But word on the street is italo

[halcyon willow]

italo definitely

[steel lion]

no its map 8

[slim willow]

no its a tie between Downtown and The Chasm

[steel lion]

why the chasm?

[steel lion]

same

[vast reef]

very enjoyable

really fun to speedrun too

[steel lion]

uh good point

downtown was map 14?

[fast mortar]

13

[icy plover]

did you know there is a port of doom 1,2, tnt and plutonia on psp?

[molten iron]

If you install retroarch you can use the prboom core

Or you can also just run the ps1 version (psp can run ps1 games)

[vast reef]

retroarch is the best thing ever

i don't use it for doom though

[royal heron]

Italo

Iirc the community ranks it as #2, below Dimensions

[vast reef]

i'm going to play dimensions

this one?
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/96188-dimensions-idgames/

[gusty falcon]

I've tried to set that up to help a friend get better mobile doom experience than the awful official ports on their iPhone but it's honestly not that good both versions of it

[steel lion]

wtf

[gusty falcon]

It's a homebrew build

[steel lion]

oh

it isnt official?

[gusty falcon]

No

[steel lion]

so...?

[gusty falcon]

It's just a this is possible type thing

It runs fine it's just both builds are missing one thing or another

[steel lion]

it was made by someone not related to id?

[gusty falcon]

I did say it was a homebrew build so that much is a yes

[steel lion]

yeah

its unofficial

[vast reef]

that did not go well

[royal heron]

Yeah lol

[vast reef]

btw, dsda-doom or woof?

[pearl osprey]

Depends on your needs but I personally prefer dsda

[vast reef]

speaking of dsda, how do you do the ghost thing

[azure nimbus]

ghost monsters? kill a monster under a door. let an archvile revive it after the door crushes it into gore

[vast reef]

no no, with player demos

[azure nimbus]

oh sorry idk anything witth demos

[molten iron]

-playdemo path/to/demo.lmp -export_ghost ghost

[vast reef]

thank you

[molten iron]

then just -import_ghost ghost

[vast reef]

when you export it makes a file?

[molten iron]

Beware that the ghost does not restart with the restart keybinding of dsda-doom

you need to restart the port

[vast reef]

i see

[molten iron]

ghosts are still in a experimental stage, in the future they will be better

[molten iron]

yep

[vast reef]

thank you

[scarlet compass]

What do you think the hardest DOOM 2 map is?

[royal heron]

Hm

Most probably map29?

[scarlet compass]

I did it 40 seconds over par

[dapper flint]

Try it on nightmare

[scarlet compass]

Sounds horrendous

[dapper flint]

Took me a month and a half to 100 doom 2

And map 29 was the reason

[scarlet compass]

I dont like the baron teleport thingy

[limpid zinc]

I did doom 1 on co-op nightmare (mostly on my own with a second player afk, with the notable exception of e1m6) but I could not imagine doing doom 2 mostly because of that map in particular. I don't even want to try because I know that I would get stuck on it forever and get burnt out

[dapper flint]

Yeah I did it alone also. It's stupid to have a co op trophy and no online play lol

Well according to the stats only 0.1 percent of people have beat doom 2 nightmare on console

[limpid zinc]

It took like an hour and a half for one of my friends to manage to squeeze through that last room on e1m6 lol. No way I could've done that on my own

[scarlet compass]

I've never done co-op lol

[limpid zinc]

Honestly it makes a lot of the maps easier because you don't lose keys when you die

[dapper flint]

Well you should restart when you die

Not keep going

1 the pick ups are gone

2 the demons are back

[scarlet compass]

I mostly dont have any idea how to do it and even then no one to do it with so...

[limpid zinc]

I really didn't try to kill demons unless they were in my way so as long as I had a shotgun I was set, didn't really care about the pickups

[dapper flint]

It's basically just solo net which I actually really enjoy

[dapper flint]

You'll need them for doom 2. Doom 2 has co op monsters. Doom 93 doesn't. Just fast monsters on nightmare

[limpid zinc]

Yeah

[dapper flint]

For example you'll need the bfg from map 28 to beat map 29

[limpid zinc]

Part of the reason I'm not doing doom 2

[dapper flint]

Or you're fucked

Unless you nail the plasma grab

[azure nimbus]

grab as in the bug where you snatch stuff through the wall or grab as in the normal procedure to get the plasma?

[scarlet compass]

Anyone know of any good mods

I've already done brutal doom

[limpid zinc]

Doom 4 Vanilla is good

[smoky lodge]

There's project brutality

[limpid zinc]

There's a version you can use with btsx and it fits it really well

[limpid zinc]

They said good mods

[smoky lodge]

PB equals shit for you all?

[scarlet compass]

It needs crispy doom though, right?

[limpid zinc]

No

It's vanilla compatible, it works with doom on DOS and literally any sourceport

[scarlet compass]

oh

[azure nimbus]

pirate doom might be good for you if you're a fan of heavier mods. It only funs on GZdoom. Or for another heavyish replacement, heartland(eternity engine only) makes some changes too like a flamethrower and super rocket launcher and dual wield smgs. Or the supercharge mod also has mouselook and reloading and some fancy changes. Personally I can't advocate for it as hard since I have not played it though

[scarlet compass]

I've tried the doom 64 total conversion but it wouldn't download for some reason

[royal heron]

It's honestly not too bad

e1m6 is actually one of the tamer runs on nightmare

[dapper flint]

Its the normal way. Jump down on the hurt floor run go left through the cave past the caco kill the chaingunners hit that teleporter grab the ammo kill the pain elemental and 2 Cacos

[scarlet compass]

I cant figure out how to get the dual pistols

on pirate doom

nevermind

[azure nimbus]

there is an alt fire button for every weapon. give it a go(might need to search the bindings options for it but I think it's m2)

[scarlet compass]

plutonia time

I hate archviles

aight TNT time

[waxen zealot]

I personally don't like TNT, most maps are very decent but some are just... AWFUL

[limpid zinc]

If you haven’t already played it you should try no rest for the living

It’s one of my personal favorite wads

[waxen zealot]

Yeah, I heard its really good! Will definitely give it a try someday!

[slender pilot]

i finally figured out how to play my dad's old doom discs on modern computers

took a long ass time but it was worth it

[vast reef]

demonsteele

high noon drifter

quake champions doom edition

gmota

shrine 2

[scarlet compass]

I'm trying going down

this should(n't) be fun

[azure nimbus]

Cyriak is trying to keep you a live

[scarlet compass]

Idk what to do about the spider mastermind on map 3

ooh

I can chop off his kneecaps with the chainsaw

HE DED

Literally 7 shells left and no other ammo

[azure nimbus]

hm?

it's a saw onlyish map

[vast reef]

i can't believe doom 4 vanilla runs on dos doom

[royal heron]

Ye

The magic of DeHackEd

[hasty cobalt]

just beat "italiam doom" forgot the name again, on nightmare. was kinda hard that time died a few times

[dapper flint]

Itelco doom is really easy

[scarlet compass]

I dont like map 8 of going down

idk how to get back in the elevator

oh

nvm

[vast reef]

italo-doom is such a fun experience

if you're just starting out with doom i recommend playing and beating it, since it'll set you up for the rest of the wads

[royal heron]

^ this tbh 👀

[scarlet compass]

Going down is just torture

[river wadi]

i have that wad but i still havent played it

[scarlet compass]

i'm doing Combat shock 2 now

so uh... I got doom 64 working but the floor is apparently acid and I dont know why

[vast reef]

where'd you get it

you got the sus version

[scarlet compass]

wad archive

[scarlet compass]

wont let me put the link

[vast reef]

dm

[azure nimbus]

combat shock 2 is on a whole other level compared to going down. So know that going in if you struggled with GD

[scarlet compass]

It wasnt too bad till level 3

[azure nimbus]

map04 has 2400 and map05 has 3500 monsters

[scarlet compass]

dang

[dapper flint]

[safe moon]

was gonna play valiant in nugget doom then i found out through someone else's playthrough that some textures doesnt function properly in prboom+ so uhh crawling my way back to gzdoom ig

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732667448574345278/933955326468829204/unknown.png

also doom 4 vanilla looks odd without the colormap lol

[dapper flint]

Needs the classic center gun. Play new doom like that too

[finite crag]

play it with Woof then

[vast reef]

you can center them???

crap i pinged srry

[dapper flint]

All good. Yeah it's called classic weapon view

[vast reef]

that's very nice

[safe moon]

i mean nugget doom is just a fork of woof

okay just downloaded and wtf- why does it work there???

okay so apparently translucency was turned off so it works

[fast mortar]

Going down has that surreal vibe i like, same with alt, even tho that one can get brutal and frustrating

[fleet zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/681159456284868679/934049030969888798/unknown.png

doom nft

[vast reef]

screenshot the monkeys

[fleet zinc]

yes

[safe moon]

so i found a way to toggle freelook on n off with a keybind
just type in

• bind (inser keybind here) "toggle freelook; centerview"

[vast reef]

zandronum is lit but i see no reason to use it outside of multiplayer

[past field]

Zandronum was literally made FOR multiplayer and nothing else

[safe moon]

doesnt help that it's based on a older version of gzdoom

also i think it's been discontinued idk, last update was from 2017 maybe?

[harsh badger]

screenshot and steal
until it is done

[vast reef]

And those that tasted the laughably high price of the NFTs called him...

[harsh badger]

The Screenshot Bringer

(idk)

[vast reef]

the nft destroyer?

the crypto slayer

[harsh badger]

this

[harsh badger]

The longer the Icon of Crypto is on Earth, the stronger it will become.

[past field]

3.0 came out like a few days ago I think?

Although it does just change the icon

No zscript support, no engine updates

[harsh badger]

pain

[pearl osprey]

The engine is still being actively updated, it's just much slower than GZDoom

Last commit to the source code was 3 days ago*

[steel lion]

hey

can someone play on zdaemon?

[azure nimbus]

finished alien vendetta. the mastery of various types of envirnments is truly impressive. A lot of the difficulty comes from CQC with cybers so practice two tapping them

[dapper flint]

Did you try it with the new midi pack that was released ?

[tired furnace]

fun fact: doom was going to be called „attack of the attackers“

i can just imagine eternal being called Attack Of The Attackers Endless

[dapper flint]

Sounds like something they would rename it to in Japan

[azure nimbus]

no. usd 2nd release with a full map20

[dapper flint]

Try it out next time. It's absolutely amazing

[azure nimbus]

I could revisit skillsaw for valiant or heartland, or do some speed of doom. I played the first 3 SoD maps saveless today and have done all of heartland with saves. Probably I'll do SoD next

[fast mortar]

Man, sounds like a proper B movie so bad its good horror title, reminds me of attack of the killer tomatoes

[sharp quest]

Guys i still didin't understand how to kill the yellow demon

how its called

hitscan i think

like how do i avoid his attack, its impossible

[azure nimbus]

I imagine you mean the archvile, the flame guy

[sharp quest]

ressurecting hitscan imp

Thats the name i found on google

[pearl osprey]

Yeah it's the Archvile

[azure nimbus]

When he begins his attack, he charges up for a moment. You know he starts the attack cuz he stands still and does an animation and a flame goes over his target. His attack will occur a second or two after it starts. you need to be out of line of sight is the short answer

[pearl osprey]

You must hide behind a wall before he executes the attack

[sharp quest]

okay

thank you guys

[azure nimbus]

having a short wall right at your feet protects from some damage. Also, if the arch gets hit, he will always immediately switch targets which can save you from getting zapped.

He has a very low pain chance(chance that he gets stunned) so plasma has about a 1/2 chance of stunning him from continuous fire and ssg has about a 1/2 chance per blast

[sharp quest]

okay, thank you so much

[azure nimbus]

Archvile is, at least in my opinion, the scariest individual you will face. it takes some practice for sure. but he's the most interesting lad in the game

[dapper flint]

And one of the most satisfying death sounds in the game

[azure nimbus]

wub wub wub

[sharp quest]

Guys, is the chapter Master Levels part of the story?

[dapper flint]

No

[waxen zealot]

its just a bunch of levels for "Masters"

Which is stupid as they all are made after the Plutonia Experiment, which is much better/challenging levels

[slim willow]

the hardest part is looking at them

[royal heron]

^

master levels are ugly and stupid

[hallow herald]

Looks like I’ve finally got something in common with the master levels

[steel lion]

yeah

i think bad dreams is the ony creative level

[waxen zealot]

haha, I consider that a "Joke" map. However, the first 2 made by Tim Willits are really good! And with Peter Lawrence's MIDI, the maps are actually playable 🙂

[waxen zealot]

Pretty thankful that Doom Eternal redemmed the title :Master Levels

[gusty falcon]

Yes indeed

[waxen zealot]

alright, gonna play some sunder now

and no, thats not a joke

[river wadi]

i finished dead.air and it was amazing

[finite crag]

So I decided to give ancient aliens another chance

[gusty falcon]

Hahaha nope nice try 😛

[vast reef]

yeah

they provide tons of lore

you won't understand all the in-game references without playing those

[zenith berry]

We have Tom Cruise in The Color of Money to thank for the name "Doom".

[tired furnace]

thank you crom tuise

[safe moon]

i think im at the final level of auger zenith now and yeah that took a big turn

nope it was not the final map and i feel like im on drugs again

[finite crag]

Is there any easily accessible way to play a source port on an android with controller support? I just want to play the game portably with with full controller of the camera (like in zandronum for example - anything similar to that)

I got a razer kishi and I've been using it to play the game pass version of doom which is awesome but it could be even better

get Delta Touch
it may cost a few dollars, but it's pretty good

I'll check it out, thanks

[royal heron]

Yeah Delta Touch is the only way to play doom on mobile, pretty much

There is some controversy around it because it is packing p free software and selling it, but again it is the only way

[vast reef]

it costs money because they had to make it work well on mobile

[pearl osprey]

You can also use FreeDoom for androird (free and open source), it uses an old version of GZDoom but its still pretty good

[limpid zinc]

Literally the second line of the doom source code release readme states that it was released for non profit use. Even if delta touch itself isn’t a source port (I’m a little hazy on the details as I haven’t ever used it) it still goes directly against the fundamental idea on which doom was made open source

[azure nimbus]

played the first 7 speed of doom maps. They were all nice snappy levels except I do have to say that 6 was one of my least favorite maps generally

[royal heron]

It's several spurceports packed together

Like GZDoom, LZDoom, Choco Doom, PrBoom+, ZanD, Retro, and Dhewm 3

[finite crag]

in PrBoom+, is there an option to make it so the game doesn't run when it is unfocused?

[royal heron]

wdym unfocused?

[vivid vine]

Maybe minimized? Not the current window?

[molten iron]

Heres how my 3d renderer is going
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727127304555331585/934541601898917938/Screenshot_2022-01-22_at_15.05.47.jpg

[finite crag]

like, I have 2 windows. Discord and Boom. I use alt tab to switch from Boom to discord, and while on discord, Boom is still doing things like running the game and the music without auto pausing.

[molten iron]

Just press esc to pause the game

prboom wont do it for you

[pearl osprey]

Wow, if you haven't said it I would've thought this was a source port

[molten iron]

ahah thanks

[dapper flint]

Well done bro

[royal heron]

Just pause the game?

Does GZDoom do that for you automatically or smthing

[finite crag]

Yeah, but I'm talking about PRBoom+. or maybe I'm just lazy.

[sharp quest]

guys help how do i beat the final boss on doom 2?

i lowered the pillar and jumped the platform under the demon head but don't know what to do, do i have to keep killing the demon's that he summons?

[royal heron]

You see the hole in it's brain?

Shoot rockets into it

[sharp quest]

THANK YOU

I've been killing the enemies for nearly a half a hour

[vivid vine]

Rocket dunk the wall

Plutonia probably has the best attempt at it officially, since theres a few actual fights and a cyberdemon guarding it but theres not much to the platform which protects you on all sides while it's down

TNT I somewhat remember and man, no.

I could take the trek to actually fighting it, dont remember much of the room it's actually in, but that puzzle is just nonsense even though I'm pretty sure I could remember my way through it

I like Into The Beast's Belly as a track though

[slim willow]

[jade flare]

I'm playing Doom Zero. I don't like it.

[meager kite]

I got bored of BTSX

[dapper flint]

That's to bad. It has some great maps once in a while

I recommend doing it on uv plus

[meager kite]

Yeah I get to make 11 and it just blends together to much

Map 18 and 32 are good fun

[gusty falcon]

Yeah it definitely starts to feel that way after abit yet somehow i keep comming back for new runs with different mods despise never finishing it

[jade flare]

Okay I think my problem is that I'm playing it on the unity port.

[vast reef]

yep

i use freedoom

it's good enough, but it has errors detecting the wad files

[dense topaz]

what's freedoom (other than a pun on freedom)

[woven valve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0OqrTqUWy0

[dense topaz]

so it's doom but free thanks

[vast reef]

it's doom for people who don't know how to pirate people who can't afford doom

[gusty falcon]

The only good part about free doom I'll admit Is the music

[pearl osprey]

On androird, despite being called Freedoom for androird, you can use the Doom and Doom2 iwads

You just gotta copy them from your pc to your phone's freedoom folder

[safe moon]

doom zero was very cool but it definitely did not have the best set of maps by the end there, faults of 32 map megawads ig

[safe moon]

its very cool doe for people making standalone mods like ashes 2063

i highly, Highly recommend trying that mod out btw

2063 is episode 1 and afterglow is episode 2

[hallow herald]

The levels are also decently detailed

[gusty falcon]

Yeah but the actual level design is kinda all over the place

[safe moon]

just like tnt

[meager kite]

I take back what i said about valiant

Map 27 Is my all time favorite doom map

[vast reef]

best doom map is habitat from TNT

[safe moon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732667448574345278/932926172285784074/unknown.png

[vast reef]

good

[finite crag]

wait doesnt doom (1993) take place in 2022?

[paper nymph]

U

[velvet quail]

Yup

[vast reef]

i see you use linux

also yes doom takes place in 2022, but if demons come, it's not going to go like doom

it's going to go like hideous destructor

[pearl osprey]

How do you find a linux user? Don't worry they'll tell you

[vast reef]

i'd use linux but windows has more program support

[royal heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/927017171836629042/habitat.mov

also, bruh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/934841839469604864/Screen_Shot_2022-01-23_at_11.07.38_AM.png