classic-doom

[scarlet compass]

Man I hate archvile jumpscares

[steel lion]

Map 11 of plutonia will be your most hated map

[scarlet compass]

I know

I just finished Map 11

[steel lion]

Ouh

[scarlet compass]

Oh, not of plutonia

Map 11 of normal doom 2

Ah, the infamous "Downtown"

[meager kite]

I personally dislike mods that change dooms weapons and monsters to much

[safe moon]

yeah i can see why, ive recently just got knee deep into the vanilla source ports and have been enjoying it a ton
*nodge nodge

[steel lion]

You would hate pacdoom

[scarlet compass]

I'm at 69% armor rn

holy frick though wheres the blue key in this dang map

[meager kite]

To me speed of doom feels like Sunlust JR

[dapper flint]

Basically I just use color correction mod and 10 percent blood increase

Only when using gz. For eternity I still keep everything the same but color correction for blood

[safe moon]

theres also a mod called vanilla essence if ur interested in making gzdoom look extra crispy

[vast reef]

where can i see this mod

[dapper flint]

Color correction ? There's 3 or 4 of them

[dapper flint]

I'll definitely check it out tmw thanks !

[safe moon]

ye its really cool, you can even toggle it on n off

[dapper flint]

I basically just like a little but if blood splat on the wall nothing that ruins gameplay

[scarlet compass]

lol I just got the Doom unbroken mod and it changes the weapons quite a bit

I like it

[safe moon]

idk if this was a accidental reply or not-

[vast reef]

as long as the mod has good gameplay, i'm fine with it

imo just because it isn't doom anymore doesn't mean it can't be good

[safe moon]

oh yeah also as a side note: i personally prefer to play with mods depending if it fits the aesthetic of the wad better

[vast reef]

i'm still not a big fan of BD though

[safe moon]

like lost civilization, pair that with naku naru and it fits

[meager kite]

Wads like valliant are fine

Deus vult is also fine

[dapper flint]

No no. I'll let you know what I think of vanilla essence

[safe moon]

lol I just downloaded it yesterday

I'mma get around to playing it once im done with the dozen or so wads I also downloaded

[steel lion]

the ssg is the most reliable weapon in all doom

If not is the plasma rifle

[scarlet compass]

The plasma rifle has that annoying cooldown tho

I think the most reliable is the machine gun

[dapper flint]

Plasma all the way

Hands down

[steel lion]

The cooldown lasts like half a second

And only appears when you are done firing

[dapper flint]

You've usually melted what you needed to by then

[scarlet compass]

Along with your entire ammo supply

[dapper flint]

Nah the stun alone makes it one of the best weapons in doom

It's saved my ass countless times

I've used it over the bfg in some tough spots

[steel lion]

And the cells are the most ammo you can have

300-600

[vast reef]

what annoying cooldown

[steel lion]

and bullets only 200-400

[vast reef]

it's barely even there

the plasma gun's pretty much a chaingun that clears rooms even faster

and you have more maximum ammo compared to the chaingun

[dapper flint]

In the whole life I've played doom not once have I said " that dang cool down has got me killed " lol

[scarlet compass]

Yeah but the plasma gun eats through that extra ammo faster than the chaingun

[dapper flint]

Let me show you something

The power of the plasma https://imgur.com/a/2lA3kZw

[vast reef]

more maximum ammo

[dapper flint]

That's how you use it

[vast reef]

it obliterates things

sometimes even faster than the bfg

[dapper flint]

If I know I'm heading to a trap it's my go too. Makes me feel safe inside haha

[vast reef]

btw gougaru what source port do you use

[dapper flint]

I use unity sometimes, eternity and gz

[safe moon]

plasma is soo good for hoards

[vast reef]

i see

[dapper flint]

Absolutely!!

[scarlet compass]

It would be nice if there was something piercing though

[dapper flint]

I'd use others but they have the best controller support. Eternity controller support is butter

[safe moon]

other than that
bfg is also really good
one caveat is that you either need to be closer or farther for it to be effective

[vast reef]

when i play on gzdoom with a controller ITYTD becomes ultra violence

[scarlet compass]

Oh, you know how everyone says the Halo CE shotgun is way too accurate?

[safe moon]

single tapping chaingun is now my favorite sniper lol

[dapper flint]

Hahaha yeah that's my gimmick for YouTube. Doing super hard wads or difficultly fast or uv plus with a controller. Help stand out a bit

[scarlet compass]

Doom shotgun always has 5 projectiles in the same pattern every time, one always dead center. beat that.

[vast reef]

yep

[vivid vine]

7

[vast reef]

8

[safe moon]

apparently when you single tap and wait for the animation to finish or wait for it to shoot out two bullets
they'll be 100% accurate

and it is just fantastic for lost souls when they're like miles away

[vivid vine]

7 pellets. Super shotgun has 20 which means you get one pellet short of 3 shells worth of damage for two shells

[vast reef]

oh

i thought you just said 7 randomly

[scarlet compass]

same with the pistol

[vivid vine]

Best done with the chaingun

[vast reef]

hm?

[safe moon]

yeah doe way weaker

[scarlet compass]

and the animation is longer i think

[safe moon]

yeah it's really good when I found out

[safe moon]

oh yeah totally

[vast reef]

iirc lost souls have the highest chance of flinching, so chainguns are good for killing them from miles away

[safe moon]

I can almost rapid-fire single tap with the chaingun lol when compared to the pistol where I have to Wait idk a second longer

[vast reef]

what's the single tap thing

[scarlet compass]

I just use the ssg for lost souls, like skeet shooting

[vast reef]

rapid-clicking the mouse instead of holding it or something?

[steel lion]

Thats called refire check

When the firing animation ends the check its made

[safe moon]

Basically just click your mouse once and it'll shoot two bullets that are 100% accurate
wait for the animation to finish and you can shoot two more 100% accurate bullets

[vast reef]

i see

[safe moon]

oh okay
I just call em single taps cuz of other games

[vast reef]

this is for the shotgun right

[safe moon]

like csgo n stuff

[safe moon]

no it's the chaingun
the perfect sniper

[vast reef]

i see

[safe moon]

try it out when you can

[steel lion]

And it checks if you still have fire button pressed and if yes your refire increments which makes your weapons shot innacurate and if not it will set it to 0

And it only works for pistol and chaingun

Only horizontally not vertically

[scarlet compass]

Huh, I didn't know you could dissipate fireballs with crossfire

[safe moon]

really?

[scarlet compass]

Apparently

[steel lion]

What?

Whats crossfire?

[scarlet compass]

Me shooting back

[safe moon]

idk but it seems to work vertically for me, doe i notice that theres always one bullet that hits a wall instead of the enemy when i fire

[steel lion]

Yeah it happens a lot because it increments every single time

[safe moon]

i kinda want a recolor of the imp tbh cuz i always run into this problem where i cant find the bloody imp cuz they blend with brown maps, especially the ones with the dirt texture

[steel lion]

Use doom builder to modify the textures or something

[safe moon]

ye
oh well imma just have to deal with it ig

[steel lion]

Which version you play?

[scarlet compass]

I just shoot everything and if it bleeds, its dead.

[safe moon]

version of wut

[steel lion]

Doom

[safe moon]

i use gzdoom and rn im using nugget doom

[steel lion]

Oh

Maybe they have a bright setting to make things lighter

Or maybe its your computer

[safe moon]

nugget doom has some features from crispy like recolored blood so thats one of the reasons why i use it+it's kind of a fork of prboom+ (well fork of a fork of it)

idk something got to do with mbf in the woof source port

[safe moon]

maybe doe brown imp + brown bg is not great
just a complaint i have with classic doom

[steel lion]

I dont have that problem

I really dont have any complaint about classic doom

[safe moon]

except for maybe chasm

[scarlet compass]

I have one complaint with classic doom that was fixed in doom 2 called the ssg

[steel lion]

Yeah

[scarlet compass]

also idk how to get back inside if I go out on E1M7

[steel lion]

????

Where?

[safe moon]

theres thing called wadsmoosh where it smooshes your doom iwads into one ipk3 (technically works like an iwad)
so when you do idkfa in udoom episodes, you get the ssg

[scarlet compass]

There's a kind of outdoor area with a plasma gun but idk how I would get back in once I go out

[safe moon]

ohhh i remember that

[steel lion]

Tf i didnt know there was a plasma rifle in that level

[safe moon]

are ya using bd?

[scarlet compass]

well in this mod im playing its the ballista

[scarlet compass]

no

[safe moon]

i remember getting stuck out there the first time i used bd lol, accidentally jumped out and went into the outside area so i instead rocket jumped to get back inside lol

[scarlet compass]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-dancing-gif-7324431

me basically

[steel lion]

This thing looks like a facebook emoji

[safe moon]

cute doe

[steel lion]

Yes

I think that there isnt any plasma rifle,bfg and some power ups are just because they didnt want to make the players use them in the shareware version

[scarlet compass]

oh nvm not ballista unmaykr

[steel lion]

Because in the shaware version you cant acces even with idkfa

The powerups can be accesed thru idbehold

[scarlet compass]

hah I got it and made it back in

at 77 health

[safe moon]

ye its in e2m1 in a secret as it's first appearance

[steel lion]

It would be funny if you were at 69% of health

Or maybe ot wasnt prepared

[safe moon]

that would be funny

[scarlet compass]

I was at 69% armor earlier

[steel lion]

At the time they made the shareware version

[safe moon]

might aswell play slayer's testament after lol

[scarlet compass]

man, the start to phobos anomaly always gets me

[safe moon]

speaking of which, theyre planning to update it on febuary so thats fun

[steel lion]

In e2m8 e3m8 there isnt any real difference if you are playing on nightmare or uvfast if you are not going for 100%kills

[scarlet compass]

what?

[safe moon]

doom eternal but quake but its really good and has alot of custom content, even a basic horde mode and a seperate campaign
but its most likely unrelated to this channel so imma shut about it rn

[scarlet compass]

oh, I dont have quake

[safe moon]

sadge

oh well

[scarlet compass]

also, literally all of my energy cells are gone

[steel lion]

sad

[scarlet compass]

used the unmaykr on the two barons in phobos anomaly and holy cow its op

but it chews through cells like crazy

i wonder if at the end of the level you can actually kill all of those enemies

[safe moon]

anyways just tried out doom unbroken aswell
reminds me of doom 4 vanilla but with alt fires

[scarlet compass]

Anyways, first episode done

[steel lion]

I always go to e2m9 every time i got to e2m5 i hate that map

[scarlet compass]

the pistol is kinda op

[steel lion]

Sv_fastweapons is my favourite cheat from gzdoom

[scarlet compass]

ha! now I have the ballista

[steel lion]

You can make a bfg shoot like chaingun

and the plasma rifle practically has 100% of stuning

And the mastermind surrenders to the plasma with that speed

The ssg can kill a cyberdemon bery fast and sounds funny

[scarlet compass]

how do you set the value from 0

[steel lion]

What

[scarlet compass]

oh nvm

[steel lion]

What value?

[scarlet compass]

It says "sv_fastweapons" is "0" (Default: "0")

[steel lion]

Ohh

[scarlet compass]

what value should it be cuz 1 made it slower

[steel lion]

No it makes faster

Mayne its lagging

[scarlet compass]

It made everything fire the actual projectiles slower

[steel lion]

Well try with 2

[safe moon]

i shall now abuse this lol

[steel lion]

Maybe

[steel lion]

Projectiles only or hitscans too?

[safe moon]

is there a infinite ammo cheat 👀

[scarlet compass]

everything

2 didnt work either

[scarlet compass]

give all

[steel lion]

In gameplay options

[steel lion]

Your pc is lagging

[safe moon]

:0

[steel lion]

Give all works like idkfa

[scarlet compass]

no, its running everything else in-game fine

[steel lion]

No the weapons makes the game lag

Its to fast for your pc

[scarlet compass]

no, even while firing the rest of the game runs fine

[steel lion]

Well idk but i tried and it makes them faster

Can you send an screenshot.

?

@scarlet compass

[safe moon]

damnit- i saved on the wrong file ;-;

[halcyon willow]

depending on how the weapons are coded, sv_fastweapons breaks some mods

so if you're using a mod then that could be it

[steel lion]

Oh i forgot that option

I used it on vanilla

When i dont know what to play i just go to map 21 of doom 2 and summon demons to make them infight

Or summon cube spawners in map 30

[safe moon]

yeah just tested that, it just messes with the sprites and it doesnt even make it shoot fast

[vast reef]

lmfao the spider mastermind gets obliterated by the plasma rifle

[cosmic pagoda]

gzdoom is one of the worst ports by performance

if you get lag, I suggest another port

[vast reef]

yep

[twilit sail]

is final doom plutonia experiment really hard?

[vast reef]

the devs couldn't beat it on nightmare

but yes

the plutonia experiment's pretty hard from what i've heard

haven't played it yet though

[cosmic pagoda]

its difficult, but manageable

and the maps are short and sweet

ghost town is a good example

its pretty much the essence of plutonia, difficult, short, fun

best iwad in any case

[royal heron]

I mean... yeah because nightmare is a joke difficulty

[vast reef]

yeah

[obsidian nest]

good day!!

[safe moon]

its hard but doable,
little tip: the wad rewards bravery over cowardice

also that

blegh

funnily enough ive just recently beat plutonia

still one of my favorite wads (im currently trudging through tnt doe)

although id still prefer to just replay knee deep in the dead, that entire episode was just soo damn good

finish the fight- oh wait wrong game

idclev (insert map number)

i also lost my save file lol

and i wanted to use a different source port

what source port do u use?

oh thats easy lol

go to the console and enter "give weapons"

or give (insert weapon name)

or just bind the drop weapon key to something

or pistol start and increase the pain :>

i mean you most likely have the shotguns and chaingun so theres that

maybe even the rocket launcher or plasma

also unless you play on hurt me plenty (the default skill difficulty you get when using the map command)
start a new game then enter "changemap map(num)"

[finite crag]

I'd say that's too much work to get the weapons they had back
at that point I'd start over but it's Plutonia, I'd rather replay harpuias boss fight in mmz1 than rather play Plutonia again

[azure nimbus]

plutonia is a step above doom2 and a good bridge to other stuff'

[safe moon]

ye thats why my other suggestion was just getting every weapon and using the "drop weapon" bind and idk stuff em somewhere

anyways just downloaded a music pack.... and for some reason they stuffed it with a wad that replaces the sound effects (theyre good but i dont want em) and adds taunts and more difficulties... oh and also its in spanish

[fast mortar]

Harpuia wasnt that bad as far as i remember

[finite crag]

harpuia was absolutely irritating for me because, a. crappy keyboard controls and b. I have been diagnosed with skill issue

[safe moon]

vanilla essence is just so good

[vast reef]

what does it do

[safe moon]

and very custumizable cuz you can you change the resolution and such, and even change the rendering to resemble the console ports, even the gba lol

[vast reef]

i've done research but can't seem to find what it does other than make it easier to muck around with gzdoom settings

[vast reef]

oh, that's really cool then

i wanna try the gba thing

[meager kite]

My petsonal favorite map I usually boot it up randomly

Begining is easy if you get the barons to infight with the reavents

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah its lovely

my fave as well

[meager kite]

I always save my plasma for the mastermind

[cosmic pagoda]

same

[meager kite]

He 2 is one of the most uneven wafs

Wads*

Hr

[safe moon]

just realized that the vids dont play blegh

[royal heron]

yeah no duh lol

HR was made to be hard

[dapper flint]

Barons

[past field]

HolyHell.wad would like to have a talk with you

[royal heron]

HolyHellRevealed.wad has entered the compound, all personnel please be advised

[dapper flint]

Lock down in effect

[latent lagoon]

why is downloading doom mods so complicated

[dapper flint]

What are you having issues with ?

[finite crag]

I killed the cyperdemon with a pistol in doom 1 I kept shooting rockets at him and finished him with pistol for the thropy I have 2 chapters Left in doom 1

[fast mortar]

Its pretty hard to decide if scythe 2 or alien vendetta had the most traumatizing final maps

Imma go with scythe 2

[latent lagoon]

ur on ps4?

[finite crag]

Yep

[latent lagoon]

have that coop nightmare trophy?

[finite crag]

I haven't checked but I think so it's there

[dapper flint]

93 nightmare is just fine. Took me a bit to do map 29 doom 2 though. That one was a bit tricky

[finite crag]

Cool

[dapper flint]

I believe only 0.01 percent of people have nightmare doom2 complete on ps. Nice to meet another one

[finite crag]

Ah I only brought doom Slayers collections yesterday

So I am getting there

My favorite Doom is doom eternal though

I became a huge fan right after completing doom eternal

I have 2 chapters Left on Doom 1

I joined the Slayers club too

I became a true doom fan ...and I'm proud to join the family of demons and Slayers

Doom changes the way you play shooting games it is the best

[dapper flint]

Hey! Welcome to the doom community!

[finite crag]

Thank you sir 🙂☺️👍

[meager kite]

Map 28 wasnt made for the wad even

[oblique blaze]

how do i play cooperative in brutal doom? with gzdoom

[vast reef]

who the hell pinged me

[sick grail]

Hmm I'm back

[safe moon]

have yet to play it yet sobs, my alternatives are the classic doom and quake recreations lol
anyway hi, welcome to the rabbit hole

ur knee deep in the dead now

might i recommend a dose of plutonia

[vast reef]

or stardate 20X7

[meager kite]

fun fact: ive never fully finished TNT evoultion

I got to map 20 and quit

[fast mortar]

Damn right, doom got me to play so many other old shooters like duke, its brilliant

[finite crag]

Enjoy it

[finite crag]

Hell yeah

[safe moon]

same lol

[finite crag]

@safe moon

I like your art

[safe moon]

oh thankies

[finite crag]

You're welcome 🙂

I just had my coffee ☕ now I'm playing doom 1

[lean merlin]

love doom 1

[vast reef]

doom 1 ost > doom 2 ost

[lean merlin]

big fax

[cosmic pagoda]

thats totally understandable

its difficult to stay awake during it, its just boring

[cosmic pagoda]

id rather play downtown 30 times thatn through tnt

[royal heron]

Huge mazey levels just aren't my thing

[azure nimbus]

trying to beat tangerine nightmare's secret map: Umbreion Nils. It is really something else. ssg + rocket only slaughter focusing on pain elementals

[royal heron]

Sounds... kinda shitty ngl with the PE focus

[azure nimbus]

At least we don't need to kill any cybers by ourselves. the final room has a flood of cacos and pains, revs on the wall, and cybers. There are enough revs that they actually kill the cybers. The idea is that you need to have the revs hit the cyber so they get distracted. If the cybers target the flying monsters, that's where you are so that's bad.

[safe moon]

e2m1 doe

[vast reef]

yes
my favorite

[dapper flint]

Nothing beats master levels

[vast reef]

there's so much doom stuff to play through ngl

[cosmic pagoda]

I like the more atmospheric tracks on doom 1 tbh

[vast reef]

yes
but e2m1 just slaps so hard

[cosmic pagoda]

And doom 2 has shawns got the shotgun

[vast reef]

shawn manifested it from his inner being

[cosmic pagoda]

Id ask bobby prince

Or failing that, sandy peterson who is quite active in these times

[vast reef]

oh my god

lore

[dapper flint]

I've been fucking around with the classic midis.. you can really add some funk to them hahah

[zenith berry]

https://youtu.be/KN0K58EfJSg
Imagine this getting a remake but it’s Doom Eternal with trenchcoat Phil Spencer advertising Xbox Game Pass.

[fast mortar]

Tnt is good when its good but yawn inducing when bad

[azure nimbus]

my least favorite wad that I completed

[steel lion]

hey guys i started making my first map of doom

its working

[molten iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727127304555331585/931595209903575050/Screenshot_2022-01-14_at_17.06.41.jpg

hmm

found it on doomworld

[sharp furnace]

[royal heron]

That's quite interesting

[smoky lodge]

Level 30 is my favorite level off of TNT of all time

[fast mortar]

It starts very unique

[steel lion]

Icon of sin battle is bad

You need to speed to the icon of sisn face and shoot

Maybe it could be a button for making the marble face in the floor raise for a few seconds or something

[fast mortar]

Never liked icon of sin fights and thats why i liked tnt's so much, because there was stuff to do before fighting the sin

[steel lion]

I love the originla

Its just good

Simple

And easy

Kinda

[smoky lodge]

You could do what Zero did and beat the Icon doing pacifist

Lol

But granted he used TAS and is a master of Doom

[waxen coyote]

I mean

You are cleansing hell

And killing demons

So I'd say so

[steel lion]

In plutiona is possible to make a pacifist of the icon of sin

By using the cyberdemon

Just try to archvile jump to the icon of sins barin and let the cyberdemon shoot you

[prime lava]

it's been done but not like that

realistically, health and luck would be too much of an issue to do that, but IIRC it's technically doable

[steel lion]

What is iirc?

[prime lava]

If I Recall Correctly

[smoky lodge]

My favorite map on Plutiona 2 is Map 32 the combination of D1 and 2 first levels

[steel lion]

Wait

Are lost souls short enough to enter the brain?

[smoky lodge]

I believe that's possible

[steel lion]

Its really hard cause a pain elemental cant infight woth jhon

[prime lava]

that's TAS only to get an AV to target a lost soul into the brain to damage Romero's head.. if it's even reasonable

it was proposed for a pacifist reality TAS of D2 map30, but not been tried

[steel lion]

How many u is a lost soul tall?

A rocket has 8

[smoky lodge]

Lost soul tall???

[steel lion]

I mean

A lost soul has a height

How many u does a lost soul have

[smoky lodge]

Ohhhhhhh okay

You mean how tall is a lost soul?

[steel lion]

Srry if you dont understanded in learning english

[smoky lodge]

Its all good mate

[steel lion]

Yes

[smoky lodge]

Ah okay i'm not sure on that question probably somebody else could answer that or I say just Google search it lol

[steel lion]

Decino said that i just dont remember it

[smoky lodge]

I just vaguely remember somebody beating the Icon of Sin using a lost soul but i'm just not sure

[steel lion]

It can hit jhon

But because lost souls dont remember who they were targeting you need to repeat the process

From 0

[smoky lodge]

Whats your favorite Doom map?

[steel lion]

Doom 1 or doom 2?

@smoky lodge

[smoky lodge]

Either or

Or you could tell me your favorite maps from both 😄

[steel lion]

In doom 1 is e2m3 and in doom 2 map 32

[smoky lodge]

Doom 1-E2M2, Doom 2-11, Suburbs, 29. 29 was probably the hardest for me

[steel lion]

[smoky lodge]

[steel lion]

Wtf you said

Suuburbs is map 16

[smoky lodge]

I know lol

Theres a coma spacing them

[steel lion]

I know

What you meaned with 29

[smoky lodge]

Map 29 was the hardest for me

On Doom 2

[steel lion]

Oh

So you like map 11,and suburbs?

[plush coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/cannawoman-gif-18183636

[steel lion]

🏳️‍🌈 ⚠️

[hallow herald]

Yeah pretty much

As much as I love doom 2 to death it’s essentially a glorified dlc

[steel lion]

Yeah

Thy flesh comsumed is a dlc

[hallow herald]

Yeah

[steel lion]

Sod is a real dlc

[quartz fog]

so sigil, tnt evilution, and plutonia were all like expansions to the game but is there a cannoical order to the games? like does ult doom come before sigil/tnt/plutonia or is it smth weird like ult doom and one of the three expansions and then doom 2, etc.

what's the timeline here?

[smoky lodge]

Doom 1, 2, Final Doom(TNT, Plutonia), 64, 3, 16', Eternal

[quartz fog]

huh, so it's the order of release date

[pearl osprey]

Isn't doom 3 it's own thing with it's own lore?

[finite crag]

ultimate doom first, then doom 2, Plutonia, tnt, 64, 16 and then eternal

[quartz fog]

i swore doom 3 was a prequel but okay

[smoky lodge]

I think Doom 3 was kinda it's own game

There were some references to DoomGuy in there but that's really about it

[finite crag]

pretty sure doom 3 was its own thing, so I didn't count it here :)

[smoky lodge]

Yeah but i just listed it as just apart of the game order lol

I think even Final Doom was a stand alone

I could be wrong

[finite crag]

don't agree with that, but possibly
idk, who cares about the doom lore anyways all you gotta know is shoot demon demon go boom!!!! :)))))))

[limpid zinc]

According to id, every mod for classic doom is canon

[safe moon]

no it was kind of a reboot/reimagining of doom 1
since the idea stemmed from the "return to castle wolfenstein" game and the idea of remaking the game to do the thing they couldnt do properly before

[limpid zinc]

Doom 3 is not related to any of the other doom games lore-wise

[finite crag]

then brutal doom is canon
the forbidden mod is canon
and worst of all,
hideous destructor is canon

[smoky lodge]

Brutal Doom is just a mod lol

[safe moon]

I mean
he is eradicating hell and hell is in fact *reads script
hell

[limpid zinc]

Yes

[safe moon]

every mod is Canon iirc

[smoky lodge]

Ah okay

[finite crag]

[dapper flint]

Yeah.. all.. of ... them...

[pearl osprey]

You know what that means 😳

[smoky lodge]

Brutal Doom is cool so is PB but these others that are amplifying the graphics and remodeling it to look like a whole another game is just not quite my cup of tea. BD is awesome due to the fact that in one version you can literally shoot a zombie/imp's head off then decapitate the rest of their body

[limpid zinc]

Personally I don't really like bd/pb or any other mods that try to change the game in the way that they do. The only exception is d4v because it changes things while still keeping it true to the original experience.

[dapper flint]

Basically play how you enjoy the game.

[past field]

all of them... except one

I dont wanna take any chances at getting in trouble, so I'll assume you know what I mean

[dapper flint]

I sure do ...

[smoky lodge]

Which is?

[pearl osprey]

Believe me you don't want to know

[smoky lodge]

I don't? Damn it can't be that bad lol

[fickle adder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/641791258716667927/931662520928833549/EEE658A0-2BDD-46B2-A15F-181F847955E1.gif

[fickle adder]

Someone did (not TAS)

I think someone got him to target a lost soul

And then the cyber shot into the head

[steel lion]

hey i made my first wad

im happy

[azure nimbus]

about half-way through Alien Vendetta. It is pretty essential that I've had the wiki up (sorry) for secrets considering how essential they are. It's been pretty relaxed so far with mostly good design

[mortal drum]

I can’t beat stage 4

on the second difficulty

[vast reef]

samsara

[slim willow]

brutal doom

[vast reef]

high noon drifter
sonic robo blast 2
amogus.pk3

[earnest sparrow]

Oh wow no rest for the living was great

[azure nimbus]

NRFTL is top shelf retail doom

[slim willow]

NRTFL is great.

[vast reef]

same thing happens with zandro when i run it in full screen

yeah no full screen is the problem

[earnest sparrow]

I just realized I’ve never beaten doom 2 on ultra violence before

Guess it’s time to do that

[royal heron]

Same lol

[dapper flint]

You know if eternity has had any updates yet ?

[royal heron]

Not sure, it seems to still be on forseti for now

[earnest sparrow]

Is Sigil worth playing?

[azure nimbus]

yes. High quality short wad of excellent difficulty for someone who recently beat doom2 (or a more relaxed one for more experienced players) with some relatively unique gameplay focusing on tight movement and low ammo.

It's hard to come by higher quality doom1 content imo.

[echo arrow]

yo wassup, how do you install project brutality

i wanna play it cuz it seems very cool

[earnest sparrow]

I’ll have to play it when I’m done with doom 2. I’ve heard some of that soundtrack and it sounds awesome

[safe moon]

[safe moon]

find the github page
download it as a zip
go to file explorer and go to the view tab and click "file name extension"
then go back to the zip file and rename it into a .pk3

or you could download draugrak's build, go to his channel and latest video on project brutality and click on his download link named as such
and then just extract it, it has both project brutality and a bunch of add-ons I recommend using if you'd like

[vast reef]

you don't need to make it a pk3 :/
zip files work fine

[eternal lance]

oh no

that means stuff like grezzo 2, [REDACTED]-doom and other awful stuff is canon

[fast mortar]

oops

Or whatever the name of that peculiar family friendly game is

[split bronze]

Doot

[lofty condor]

Hey, anyone got any advice for playing Project Brutality?

I'm really bad at it

Even Harsh difficulty is kinda hard for me

[finite crag]

Hiii

[past field]

Lowest difficulty

[safe moon]

just be a bit more methodical with your style of gameplay ig
especially with hitscanners
they are soo mean in pb and bd

[lofty condor]

BD I'm decent in

PB is the game that I have issue in, I'll try treating it more like Halo or Half Life

[royal heron]

BD i don't think gives me a challenge unless I play on extreme realism

but again just not my cup of tea still

[dapper flint]

Today's the day I finally finish syringe on fast

[royal heron]

nicee

[azure nimbus]

So Alien Vendetta finally got mean. map32 and map16 have decided cruelty is the point. Took forever to finally get map 32

[finite crag]

I just noticed doom Guy and master chief armor looks alike

Did halo copy doom or something 😂

[pearl osprey]

I was unable to differentiate them before I played Doom lol

[dapper flint]

Every shooter after 1993 copied doom in some way

[vivid vine]

Or still has Quake code in it

[random sparrow]

This may be the wrong place to post but does anyone here have classic Doom for xbox 360. I'm looking for someone to play xbox live with.

[vast reef]

master chief was inspired by one of bungie's older characters who in turn was inspired by doomguy, so kind of

[steel lion]

hearing "facing the spider" and "nobody told me about id" in the snes versions reforzes the feelings that a soundblaster couldnt give

[minor zephyr]

Mister chief

[vast reef]

e1m9's music is a solid competitor to e2m1

[finite crag]

Sup guys

[finite crag]

Ah i see

[cosmic pagoda]

snes ost best yeah

those extra spooky ones especially

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg6p9I5xU_A&list=PL0C33A02EA01FF656&index=12

[finite crag]

I'm on this inferno level where I'm supposed to make a jump

Platforming sucks

God fuck this platforming...

Oh you guys remember the inferno secret exit

Apparently you're supposed to shoot the wall with a rocket making a rocket jump

How the hell was i supposed to know that.

Lmao 😂

After doing the rocket jump i only got 1% health left

Jesus Christ guys 🤣

I got into a room full of enemies and died

[fickle token]

hi

[finite crag]

Hi

[dapper flint]

That's pure doom

[finite crag]

LoL I killed them eventually

[finite crag]

Hwere dum tou

[azure nimbus]

you can make it with a strafe jump. Don't even need sr50. Or if you really wanna cheese it, you can hit the switch through the wall

[finite crag]

I already done the rocker jump but thanks

[azure nimbus]

supposedly, they knew that you could hit the switch through the wall so they made the wall thicker...but it wasn't enough

[limpid zinc]

I think the first time I did it I had to do the strafe jump because I didn't have enough health to do a rocket jump lol

It took a couple of tries

What do you guys consider the best episode of the ultimate doom? To me it's Inferno.

[vivid vine]

The stock maps have started to get painful to me

Dario's playthrough revealing to me that 2/3 of Plutonia was made in 6 weeks and had 5 days of work on each map, and yet are better than almost anything in Doom 2 or TNT, and the weakest ones were ones they already had made earlier or TNT rejects, was revelatory

Also that it got him hired at Valve and he immediately started working on maps for Half Life

[azure nimbus]

it's really cool to see what proficient mapmakers can make with time, boom features, and knowledge of doom design: things that the ID team didn't have

[vivid vine]

The Casali brothers had even less time

It was made by just two people

You would expect by Doom 2 that they'd have had a better knowledge of their own game. They decided to be more abstract and focus on gameplay but then handed half the maps to Sandy again

[azure nimbus]

A lot of the Sandy Peterson maps are good like e2m6. His do happen to have a lot of variability. And I can't fault him for being experimental. In particular since e3m5 (the circular teleporter nightmare) was him adding detail to an existing Tom Hall level

[vivid vine]

It's not really about them being bad but some pretty obvious problems come up with having made most of the maps for both games

Actually I think I when he was brought on for Doom they only had 8 weeks left.

[azure nimbus]

my main complaint is the huge optional areas and secrets that hurt to get instead of reward

[vivid vine]

They even left the boss maps to him

PSX Doom does boss maps better I think.

Tower of Babel has mancubi in it

[azure nimbus]

cursed

[vivid vine]

Dis is reached with Threshold of Pain which is a huge map with fights all over the place and it ends on a pentagram arena full of hell knights and pain elementals

Icon of Sin is replaced with Redemption Denied which is a big arena with 12 barons that then unveils two Masterminds at once, who never appear in any other map in the port

Which is... potentially better than the Icon

PSX Final Doom was an admitted cash grab though. It ends with Plutonia's Onslaught and just tells you that you won after you walk into the teleporter

[azure nimbus]

onslaught... map10?

[vivid vine]

It also actually has several Master Levels in it and a selection of TNT and Plutonia maps, and mostly only the early ones except eith MAP20 thrown in

[azure nimbus]

ew

[vivid vine]

The back of the box says 30+but it only has exactly 30

The Mastermind doesn't even show up anywhere and if they as tried Final Doom maps tend to be too big for the memory to fit one

[azure nimbus]

30+0

[dapper flint]

That horrible icon of sin fight...

[vivid vine]

The one revenant instead of like, a cyberdemon

[dapper flint]

They even give you the same invulnerability?

mephistos maosoleum I think

[azure nimbus]

oh no...ML are rough but that's uh not a good one

[dapper flint]

Who doesn't like a couple mancubus thrown in your face in a tiny room

[finite crag]

Huh there's ultimate doom?

[dapper flint]

It's doom 93 but includes episode 4

The ultimate doom trilogy includes doom 2 and final doom.

[finite crag]

Ah could you explain more?

I'm new to the whole doom franchise but I'm also a huge fan

[dapper flint]

Basically the first doom released with 3 episodes then doom 2 came out then a 4th episode was released thy flesh consumed. Packaged together it's ultimate doom

All 4 episodes

[finite crag]

Oh that's so cool

I became a huge fan after completing doom eternal

Then i brought doom Slayers collection

I have inferno and thy flesh consumed left to beat.

[dapper flint]

Thy flesh is probably the hardest of them but I really love it

Still my favorite episode I mean other than sigil

[finite crag]

The difficulty names are charming

I'm too young to die...hurt me plenty and ultra violence and nightmare

So I'm guessing nightmare is Ulta hard?

[pearl osprey]

Nightmare is garbage tbh

it has respawning enemies

[azure nimbus]

nightmare is a joke and only beatable for certain mapsets at all.

[vivid vine]

Oh I was talking about the actual Icon of Sin map and thought you meant it to, since I said Redemption Denied was probably better

I dont think PSXDoom has that map

Wonder if there would ever be a community project like 'Master Levels As They Shoulda Did'

[azure nimbus]

idk if the MLs even have enough of an identity to play with

[dapper flint]

Only level I liked was black tower so yeah

[vivid vine]

I liked Bloodsea

But Alien Vendetta did the idea better as Crimson Tide

[dapper flint]

Yeah I liked the library room

[vivid vine]

A fortress in the middle of a sea of boiling blood would be a hell of a place to find yourself

[azure nimbus]

an oddly not dramatic intro to the archvile

[dapper flint]

It's basically just a mode for speed runners

[finite crag]

So Ultra violence is really hard

[split bronze]

No its Ultra Hard

[finite crag]

Oh thanks

[limpid zinc]

No it’s ultra violent

[split bronze]

No it is ultra Vi

[azure nimbus]

HNTR, HMP, UV all have identical mechanics. The only difference is item and monster placement. Most level designers design for all of them. Ribikks is more wellknown for crazy hard UV and more reasonable if still insane HMP

it would be interesting to see what a mapset designed for NM would look like

[vivid vine]

Modern formats allow for even more difficulty placements in maps. ZDoom had a Hexen like format that allowed 8. I dont think k UDMF even has a limit

Also Nightmare was I think technically given its own slot in vanilla mapping but that wasnt actually used

If it had been I'd be putting coop monsters to also be on a skill above UV, if I mapped

[azure nimbus]

maybe in some port, but as far as I have read through wikis, there are (in vanilla) 3 "skill levels" where the 3rd skill level includes UV and NM.

[dapper flint]

It's the basic go to difficultly. How the majority of most doom maps and wads are intended to be played. For added difficulty you can play solo net which is single player with extra monsters and co op pick ups and fast monsters

[vast reef]

i've been playing the plutonia experiment

i love chaingunners

they are very helpful

[royal heron]

Nightmare! is reserved for speedrunners

it makes enemies twice as fast, and makes them respawn infinitely

[finite crag]

So in other words fuck nightmare

[royal heron]

it's the literal incarnate of "Gotta go fast"

[royal heron]

yea

[finite crag]

Yhsnks

[royal heron]

it was implemented after people complained Ultra-Violence was too easy

so the devs just pointed a fat middle finger to them by adding Nightmare

[vast reef]

nightmare hideous destructor is how the game would go irl

[silver sparrow]

Hey does anyone know why when I download crispy doom, there's no setup? I don't know how to change the controls without it

[royal heron]

I think it's in the I think it's in the options menu?

or is crispy supposed to have a DOS startup like choco?

[vivid vine]

The setup is its own dos style exe like chocolate

Though the Crispy stuff is in game

Before I knew about using F10 in that setup to Warp and pick games, maps, and parameters I was actually using the CMD prompt to tell it what to do

[scarlet compass]

I cant play doom on this computer because I need the admin password which I dont have :{

[vast reef]

crispy doom should work even without it
prboom/glboom+ too

if i'm right you're using gzdoom and you need the admin password to let gzdoom scan the entire PC for WADs

[steel lion]

im going to say it

i hate prboom + and all of that type of source porrts

[slim willow]

:(

[tender otter]

does anyone wanna play doom 2 with me?

[azure nimbus]

why? No controller support I guess. And the powerup cheat doesn't work correctly(toggles instead of on a timer)?

[vast reef]

what the hell are you on

glboom+ has mouselook too yk

however yes its menu is a nightmare since i can't read that font very well

[halcyon willow]

How dare someone express an opinion

[vast reef]

yeah but what's wrong with prboom

[cosmic pagoda]

cant you do it in options, via the menu?

thats how I did on mine

[pearl osprey]

iirc there is an executable called crispy-setup that can change extra setting

[pearl osprey]

They never said it's bad or has issues, they said they hate it, yknow just personal prefrence

[cosmic pagoda]

Ah theres that too but tou can also swt em via in game menu

[cosmic pagoda]

Personal preference probably, i personally dont like slaughter gameplay or anything with mouselook and jumping for instance

Anyone has pet peeves

[past field]

hey, just a question, is it legal if I where to put my doom wads into a flash drive and give the drive to my brother?

[pearl osprey]

Sharing a game/file with friends/family is a common practice, I assume it's legal, and even if it isn't who's gonna stop you lol

[dull snow]

technically that's illegal, also the IWADs are usually like $5 for the set on steam, often less lol

[vast reef]

the FBI will not hunt you down for giving your brother a wad for the plutonia experiment

[past field]

aight

[cosmic pagoda]

technically illegal however morally not, morally the money purchasing those iWADs is not going to be received by the team behind it

[cosmic pagoda]

so the ultra moral(but technically illegal) thing to do would be to say pirate plutonia and paypal dario a tenner

[eternal lance]

you know that id is part of bethesda ?

[eternal lance]

bruh.

[cosmic pagoda]

none of the original team work there since like 2005

[eternal lance]

still,piracy is bad

[cosmic pagoda]

as I said, its still illegal, I dont care tho, I got my original releases still from the days of old

[vast reef]

free games

[dull snow]

That's piracy bub

[eternal lance]

it's against the law

[vast reef]

but free games

not everybody has 60 dollars to spend per month

[cosmic pagoda]

piracy is bad and the original iWADs cost pennies, no reason not to buy em, however milking money off 25 year old content is also morally wrong

what I am getting at is bethesta should distribnute em for free

[eternal lance]

there is no excuse for piracy

[cosmic pagoda]

its kinda like music labels releasing best of albums of recently deceased artists

[gusty falcon]

Honestly piracy of 25 year old iwads wouldn't even hurt them at this point

In fact it would help them by getting more people into the series that can't buy it digitally for whatever reason

[cosmic pagoda]

which I personally find disgusting btw

[gusty falcon]

What I'm getting at While piracy is illegal its not really a black and white topic by any means

I've said it once and I'll say it again

I don't care how people get the game only that they enjoy it

[cosmic pagoda]

indeed, piracy can sometimes have a positive effect for sales, I have purchased plenty of expensive software, that I would never have purchesed, if I didnt get to pirate it first and see, that indeed, it is worth my money

fabfilter bundle, costing 860€ being one of the examples

[azure nimbus]

woof port has a timescale option. I set it really high last night on the icon (trying to do all ghosts effect) but then I fell asleep and woke up much later. I went to save so I could reload into normal time scale but I'd spawned in I think 17000 monsters so it just crashed when I tried saving. So attempt number two

[cosmic pagoda]

are you sure that bug is not fixed in woof?

seems like a port where such fixes would be implemented

[past field]

but can I give my brother a flash drive with doom wads, or is that illegal?

[cosmic pagoda]

no, expect a knock from the feds if you do

[azure nimbus]

woof has vanilla, boom, mbf, and mbf21 "comp levels." I am not sure that it is fixed but I am on vanilla

[past field]

goddammit, I shouldve just bought him the games on steam when I had the chance

[cosmic pagoda]

i'm kidding noones gonna raid you if you do, however its technically illegal

[past field]

at least he still has doom 2, so he should be a-okay

[gusty falcon]

It is illegal just don't lose sleep on it

[past field]

and he has doom on PS4, so he can experience SOME doom mods

[gusty falcon]

No one is going to knock down your door if you pirate doom

[past field]

but its still wrong

[gusty falcon]

No it's fine like I said you're harming no one

[past field]

well Im technically harming id, sooooo...

[gusty falcon]

No you're not

[past field]

the wads are on steam and gog

so I am

[gusty falcon]

No you're not even if they're available on those platforms because big devs like Id barely make anything from games that old

[past field]

yes they do..?

[gusty falcon]

No they make pennies at best

What is keeping their lights on are the newer id games

[past field]

ultimate doom on steam has like over 9,000 reviews

[cosmic pagoda]

have you seen the decino vid on it? IIRC he explains it how to trigger it there

[past field]

meaning over 9,000 people have bought the game

[gusty falcon]

That's true but compared to the millions of people that play the newer doom games that's nothing

[past field]

and the game is like 5 dollars, meaning that id has made over 45,000 dollars

[gusty falcon]

That's not how it works

[past field]

then how does it work?

[gusty falcon]

There's several splits that happen before id even sees their cut

[cosmic pagoda]

id isnt technically making a penny, bethesda is

[gusty falcon]

True

[past field]

and bethesda owns id

[gusty falcon]

And Microsoft owns both

[azure nimbus]

yeah that's why I'm doing it

[gusty falcon]

See where I'm getting at

[cosmic pagoda]

id is better off absorbed by bethesda than say EA

[gusty falcon]

Yes that's true

[cosmic pagoda]

I still havent forgiven EA for what they did to westwood

[gusty falcon]

Yes kill ea with a damn bfg

In short there's like 3 or 4 other entities that get their cut before id even sees a dime

[past field]

but even if it where "okay", its still morally wrong

[gusty falcon]

Morally wrong is subjective

[past field]

how would it be morally right?

[gusty falcon]

If a person were say in a 3rd world country where it's extremely difficult to buy games and they wanted to play doom

Would pirating it be wrong then?

[past field]

online shopping exists so...

[gusty falcon]

Doesn't really matter if it does because currency isn't the same everywhere

[past field]

and freedoom and the doom 1 shareware release exist

[gusty falcon]

You'd have to be in the doom community already to know about freedoom

And the share ware release would be a taste at best

[past field]

you can still be in the doom community without owning doom though, right?

meaning that you can still know about it

[gusty falcon]

That's a case by case basis really

Doom may cost pennies here in the US but in other nations those pennies are worth alot more

I'd rather someone just get the game and play it and experience how wonderful it is than not play it at all

[past field]

...by buying the game on steam

[gusty falcon]

If they can because not everyone has a card for online purchases

I don't

[past field]

steam handles currency based off the economy of a country, so the price should be okay, and you can probably get a steam giftcard

[cosmic pagoda]

eh it's mostly morally not as bad because none of the people behind the original releases get a dime from the purchases

[past field]

like, you can get one at least from a physical store or something

[gusty falcon]

Exactly

[past field]

just because the devs get less money doesnt mean its okay to not get them money at all

[gusty falcon]

They don't get money at all basically

[past field]

and who knows, maybe id doesnt make just a dime for a game

[gusty falcon]

Because people like Romero aren't at id anymore

[cosmic pagoda]

but none of the people behind the original doom games are associated with id anymore

[past field]

even if, you cant just get it for free illegally

[gusty falcon]

I doubt Romero would lose sleep over it the people who get the money now aren't being paid for their hard work they're being paid for someone else's hard work

Which if you ask me is undeserved

[past field]

but, as I said, its better than them getting no money at all, and its illegal to just pirate games

[cosmic pagoda]

the current id deserve all the revenue from the new doom games however

[gusty falcon]

Absolutely

[past field]

then you might as well handle that in a way that isnt just pirating the game

two wrongs definitely never make a right

[cosmic pagoda]

I am nto the one pirating anything, my parents bought me the original games in the 90s, I bought 2016, and didnt find eternal appealing so didnt get it in any ways

oh and I bought doom3

[past field]

then why are you supporting pirating doom if you have already legally bought the games?

[gusty falcon]

Then how does one buy doom 1 and 2 in 2022 in a way that supports the people who actually made it please tell me

[cosmic pagoda]

this

hence my "paypal dario a tenner" statement

[past field]

you make them money

[gusty falcon]

No i don't

I make Bethesda money i make Microsoft money i make zenimax money

But John Romero Sandy Patterson Tom hall, and so on they won't see a dime of those sales

[past field]

because they left id

and it was their choice to do so

[gusty falcon]

Exactly but it's still the game they made not the game the people at id now made

So i ask again how do i buy doom 1 and 2 in 2022 in a way that supports the people who actually made doom back in 1993

Just because they left doesn't make them suddenly not the people who made it

[past field]

they dont?

Im just confused at this point, I dont think a 13 year old can handle this much information in a single argument

[gusty falcon]

No the people who made doom Romero, Tom hall and them don't see a dime from doom anymore because in the eyes of the law doom isn't theirs anymore

[past field]

correct

but that doesnt give you the right to pirate doom

[gusty falcon]

Where i spend my money is my choice and if i choose not to support the cooperation leeching off their work that's my choice but at the same time
If i can't support the people who made it I'd rather not support anyone.

While we're talking about Bethesda

[eternal lance]

buy the most expensive limited edition of sigil

[gusty falcon]

Let's bring up skyrim while not everyone who made skyrim still works there quite a few people do so by getting that game in 2022 You're still supporting the devs who made it

[gusty falcon]

I just might because Romero would get every penny

Money he deserves.
truth be told without John karmack releasing the source code there probably would be no unity port today

It's fan efforts in the community that made doom worth selling again today

[vast reef]

not giving id 5 dollars isn't a crime
and you can give your brother freedoom if you want to stay legal

[past field]

I did

but I dont think he even plays it

[eternal lance]

piracy is stealing y'know

[gusty falcon]

Not really because nothing is actually lost

It's a copy not taking the original

[gusty falcon]

If they're used to more modern shooters throw them a bone with brutal doom

[azure nimbus]

seems like woof fixes it :(

[vast reef]

doom and doom 2 together cost 500 pesos here in the philippines

my parents would consider that too expensive to warrant buying

[gusty falcon]

Exactly my point pennies in the US cost far more elsewhere even if stream tries its best to keep everything even

[vast reef]

500 pesos is still around just 10 dollars but here in the philippines very few people buy games

[cosmic pagoda]

try on crispy, that should have all the vanilla bugs

[vast reef]

i like crispy doom

[past field]

just because something costs more somewhere else doesnt mean you automatically have full 100% rights to pirate it

[vast reef]

pirating is illegal
but when has that ever stopped anybody

[gusty falcon]

Did i ever say i did?

The only right i 100 percent have in this little scenario is where i choose to put my money and where not to

[vast reef]

if pirating is that illegal why is it so easy to find free game sites

[gusty falcon]

Oh I'll tell you exactly why because big companies can't stop it no matter how hard they try 😆

It's literally the equivalent of fighting a hydra

It's a battle they can't win

[azure nimbus]

I hope WOOF is demo compatable otherwise at least.

[vast reef]

yeah

anyways, good night, i have a lot of school tomorrow

[gusty falcon]

Alright good night this was fun

[finite crag]

https://www.moddb.com/games/doom/addons/nashdecals-bd-v20andv21-splattersdecals

[gusty falcon]

Very nice

[oblique blaze]

Guys does anyone know any wad for doom II that gives the game rtx? Or something similar?

[cosmic pagoda]

wads dont do that

youd need a source port that supports rtx

however it will probably look garbage

[gusty falcon]

Honesty rtx is more of a 3d game thing

It works better with those

[cosmic pagoda]

mixing modern rendering tech with chunky oldschool sprite based graphics ends up looking bad usually

[gusty falcon]

Yeah it also sends the frame rate into the ground

[oblique blaze]

Ok

[finite crag]

Guys i just beat inferno chapter

[cosmic pagoda]

time to be brutalised by e4m1

the NIN logo is a lie, a friendly warning

[finite crag]

The hell you talking about

[royal heron]

holy shit this entire argument was a shitshow

[gusty falcon]

Yep

But it's an argument that kinda needs to be addressed

Copyright law in general is a shit show

[dapper flint]

I like a tiny bit of splat on the walls not gonna lie

[finite crag]

What's wrong with having a lot blood on the walls ?

[dapper flint]

Distracts me

From the next thing I have to shoot

[finite crag]

The super shotgun is the shit in doom 2

[dapper flint]

Absolutely

[finite crag]

Then you probably don't like Bloody FPS Games

I have thy flesh consumed left on Doom 1 but i felt i should complete Doom 2

TBH, I like Doom I than Doom II

It has better level design

[dapper flint]

In large combat wads or hard classic doom engagements lots of blood will hinder combat and target acquisition

[finite crag]

Yeah, Very 'Distracting' Ye even Most people are used to it

[dapper flint]

I believe Its very balanced in New doom though. I just like enough blood in classic where I can clean up the map and move on

[cosmic pagoda]

you'll see, once you play e4m1

[finite crag]

Well God damnit lol

[cosmic pagoda]

altho IIRC in the unity version they changed the NIN logo for something else

The NIN logo on E4M1: Hell Beneath has been removed, presumably to avoid trademark infringement.

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/E4M1:_Hell_Beneath_(Doom)?file=NIN_reference.jpg

talking about this

blah it embeds the wrong pic

[silver sparrow]

I don't see that as an option on mine, maybe I downloaded the wrong version or something?

[silver sparrow]

Yeah it normally has its own setup application in the folder, but it just isn't there when I downloaded it for some reason

[cosmic pagoda]

dont you have options under new game and load game when you start it?

[silver sparrow]

Yeah, sorry I should have clarified, I meant there are no options for changing controls in that menu

[cosmic pagoda]

oh really? I am pretty sure I used that to do that

cant check in the next hour or so, but after that can check when I get home

[silver sparrow]

Ah ok

Thanks for the help!

I'm open to using prboom+ as well but similarly I couldn't figure out how to change opengl settings

[limpid zinc]

Wow seriously I can't link the official website for crispy doom

Well anyways this is the official site for downloading crispy doom, if you got it elsewhere delete that version and download it from here: latest.chocolate-doom.org

[silver sparrow]

Oh ok, I'll try that out

Thanks!

I just downloaded it and it seems to be the same as the one I had

I was using this video for reference setting it all up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX7nRVX9wcc&t=642s

The setup that he opens at 3:05 is what's missing from my version

[limpid zinc]

Oh I think I know what's happening

This actually happened to a friend of mine, if you have an antivirus it could be flagging the setup as a virus and deleting it immediately

[silver sparrow]

Ohhh ok

Yeah I bet that's the case

Every time I downloaded crispy doom a pop-up would say "we stopped a virus" so yeah lol

Thanks for the help!

[smoky lodge]

What if the virus is the demons begging you not to come slay them?

[silver sparrow]

I sawed the virus

[grim pollen]

ahhh crispy setup 😄

On speedrunslive way back in the day it was so sad watching a new player get to a glide without setting up shorttics and viewing their vod where they can't find a setup.

[smoky lodge]

I never have bothered to attempt speedrunning lol I do want to beat the E1M1 record though but i know that will take a very long time with tons upon tons of practice

[prime lava]

That's definitely not a recommended goal to have first thing 😅

Trust me, it's a lot different than you think 😉

[past field]

my best run is I think 11 seconds of E1M1 on UV

[royal heron]

Just doesn't look that good with blood splatter on the walls imo and honestly the new decals look worse to me

The smooth splatter doesn't match with the pixelated splatter of V20

I mean yeah you can turn them down though so to each their own

[finite crag]

Nah. Not updating it
but I appreciate your criticism, Thanks

Just gonna say this, If you don't like it, Don't download it. Simple as that

[past field]

I prefer DSDA-Doom

[finite crag]

Never heard of that

[past field]

basically, prboom+ but for speedrunners

[hybrid pollen]

Sorry all, I have a Noob question I have the Chromebook / Andorid version of Doom and am unable to "shoot", does anyone know what the controls are?

[grim pollen]

I'd work at some easier runs before challenging E1M1 to see if you enjoy the act of speedrunning before delving into a goal that might require 10's of thousands of attempts.

[past field]

I cant imagine any map easier than E1M1

[prime lava]

😄

[past field]

I have memorized that map like the back of my hand

[grim pollen]

If you talk to looper if a player is working on basic movement he 100% recommends practicing no monster runs doom 2, map 31.

[prime lava]

also you should run scythe map28 NoMo :^)

scythe map28 NoMo has a very different kind of movement, very valuable practice

[grim pollen]

Thing is scythe 28 has no door practice hehe

[prime lava]

yeah of course :p

doors are harder to manage for newer players I think, but scythe map28 gets the smooth turning down which even I struggle with (I usually thrive with very snappy movement, as shown in stuff like sc31o and secret exit)

smooth movement trips me up, because 9 times out of 10 confident "snaps" are way better and I'm used to those 9 times :p

I mean, in something like a d2all UV-speed it matters less to save 3 tics per turn, but having to optimize the shit out of smooth turning for me is very hard 😄

[fringe dew]

https://youtu.be/J6xAvu6d22U

https://youtu.be/Uvd2DPUo_zE

[dapper flint]

I like just enough so I know I hit a target

Also color correction is nice. It bothers me that Cacos bleed red hahah

[finite crag]

I mean, They are Tomatoes

[dapper flint]

But they clearly have blue blood when they are a corpse

[azure nimbus]

caco corpses are my only complaint with old doom gore

[dapper flint]

Right ?? Haha and the baron and hellknights. I have their blood set to green also

[azure nimbus]

Woof has an option to do colored blood which does green for them and blue for cacos. It can do randomly mirrored corpses too. It's really a sweetspot between vanilla graphics and what I find to be tacky effects from stuff like GZ doom or brutal doom.

Made my way to map25 of Alien Vendetta. I save scummed through it first to learn the layout before real atttempts. It doesn't seem as oppressive as I thought. With that said, the number of optional encounters is kinda frustrating. The first fight, the last fight, the huge chaingunner wall, the huge rev ambush from the hall, all entirely optional

[royal heron]

oh god not e1m1 speedruns

[prime lava]

🙂

[royal heron]

I also forgot how rough sc map28 could be lmao

but at least I can SR50 somewhat decently now

[smoky lodge]

Has anybody played the Okupluk wad?

[azure nimbus]

My only complaint with woof is that controller sr50 is annoying to do now. Eternity and GZdoom both made it pretty easy

[royal heron]

plenty of people

[smoky lodge]

I only ask bc i just discovered it a week ago and was blown away by the massive size of the entire map and was also challenged heavily. I'm probably only partial way through the first beginning where you have to face all the mancubi and cacos on a tight ledge

[steel lion]

playing pinturillo 2 room number 2719 password HUEVO

[idle salmon]

So i just finished shores of hell
(And played the first two levels of inferno)

[azure nimbus]

time for you to meet the bfg

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/1UfwWzMHx14

[azure nimbus]

In mtpain27's(dean of doom) video on Alien Vendetta, he acted like map25 was the hardest thing in the set. But after learning the layout, I really don't think that's the case. So far, map32 was by far the hardest for me. A strategy I used often was to cause monsters to show up and then come back with an invuln when everyone is there

[vast reef]

there's another really good option called ambient occlusion, search it up in the gzdoom menu

[ruby fractal]

Bruh how tf do I get through the hangar

[azure nimbus]

map01?

[ruby fractal]

Yeah. Knee deep in the dead or sum

On ps4

[vast reef]

press the use key to open the door

[ruby fractal]

Idk what that is

[vast reef]

the use button

[ruby fractal]

Again. No idea. There's no tutorial

[vast reef]

use it to open doors

[vast reef]

shouldn't it be in options
the button that use is bound to

[ruby fractal]

Idk😂😂

Found it😂😂

[waxen zealot]

So I just started PLutonia recently, what are YOUR experiences witht his wad?

[halcyon willow]

It's awesome. Best iwad

[vast reef]

it's so great

it'll make you love chaingunners

[harsh badger]

b e a u t i f u l

it'll make you love chaingunners
or archies

[scarlet compass]

anyone else ever notice that level 3 of doom 2 is spelled "Gantlet"?

[harsh badger]

yeah, basically most people

[scarlet compass]

I wonder if it was intentional

[harsh badger]

hell if i know

[vast reef]

revenants too

[harsh badger]

[vast reef]

the gang's all here

[harsh badger]

hideous destructor archvile

:cacotroll:

[vast reef]

god no

[harsh badger]

archangels

[scarlet compass]

why does it take so long for the crusher to kill the spider mastermind on UV

[spice radish]

I'm looking for some WADs to play and need some suggestions. I'm using the Crispy Doom sourceport btw.
WADs I've already played are, BTSX, Valiant, and Alien Vendetta so any other recommendations besides those would be nice.

[finite crag]

AUGER;ZENITH Hellbound

[scarlet compass]

I'm not sure if it works with Crispy but I'm currently using Doom unbroken which is a nice mod

[vast reef]

he's looking for wads

considering he's using crispy doom, wads means maps

[scarlet compass]

ok

[safe moon]

currently suffering in tnt rn

and not the bs or fun kind

[safe moon]

maps of chaos if you want suffering and a excuse to play doom 1 and 2 again, especially the hardcore and overkill versiond (last one's unfinished doe)

dunno if its compatible with crispy doe

[scarlet compass]

I just died in TNT

[safe moon]

was going to recommend winter's fury then i remembered that one's a gzdoom exclusive

[vast reef]

maps of chaos is pretty cool

[safe moon]

there's also lunatic if you want doom in space

[vast reef]

some people don't like it though

[safe moon]

yeah theyre fun for me

[scarlet compass]

wait, in GZDoom is there a console command to make your guns not use ammo

ok there is

this is gonna be fun

[safe moon]

tbf doe it definitely seems to be more of a co-op map set

especially since it adds back the monsters exclusive to co-op

[safe moon]

welp just pistol started knee deep in the dead, the map of chaos hardcore version

spoilers, e1m8 turns into hell revealed lite

i said without having played hell revealed 1 and 2 cuz mtpain27

[safe moon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732667448574345278/932926172285784074/unknown.png

[cosmic pagoda]

have you played plutonia 2?

[vast reef]

sunlust is a great wad

[waxen zealot]

Yeah

Plutonia 2

is GREAT especially map11

although that final fight still gives me PTSD to this very day