classic-doom

[broken meteor]

I love super shotgun

[royal heron]

Yeah SSG is godly

[tawdry quest]

of course it has "SUPER" in the name

[broken meteor]

Tru

[royal heron]

Doubles - triples the damage of regular shotgun

[tawdry quest]

i love this community

[broken meteor]

Same

[tawdry quest]

ok guys wish me luck ima kill some mancubi

[broken meteor]

So many people who love to slaughter the demons of hell.

[royal heron]

Map07?

[tawdry quest]

yes

[royal heron]

That's relatively easy

Don't stop moving

[broken meteor]

That's with any map

[royal heron]

And take potshots at the mancubi

The arachnotrons can fuck you over though so be careul

They can very easily block your path

[tawdry quest]

thanks for tip doomer who loves coffee

[royal heron]

Chasm would like to have a word with you 👀

[tawdry quest]

and thats why i save

[royal heron]

Chasm isn't super bad to me because I'm a speedrunner so I know how to take the short route

[broken meteor]

I'm scared

[tawdry quest]

done

onward! to map 08!

ima be honest

I don't like tricks and traps

[broken meteor]

Who here on Xbox? I'm probably the only one also good job erik

[broken meteor]

I Speedrun doom as well btw.

[tawdry quest]

this is getting out of hand! Now there are two of them!

welp

guess im pistol starting tricks and traps

i saved while i was a corpse again

://

[broken meteor]

BRUH

Lol

[tawdry quest]

i wanna die

Deep vein thrombosis (DVT) is a medical condition that occurs when a blood clot forms in a deep vein.  I am in excruciating pain.

YES

lets gooo1

i beat it!

i beat it pistol start1

WOOOH

frick that map!

[royal heron]

Tricks and traps is one of the easiest maps

Unless you're gonna be going for that BFG

[tawdry quest]

i did

[royal heron]

That makes it harder

[tawdry quest]

and got it i did

[royal heron]

Otherwise you just need to grab an invulnerability, get the yellow key, grab the red key, grab another invulnerability, and then run to the exit

[tawdry quest]

okie map 9 les go

[royal heron]

That's the pit, isn't it?

[tawdry quest]

ye

[royal heron]

Or right you're doing UV+ Max

[tawdry quest]

yes

[royal heron]

I forgot

[tawdry quest]

its ight happens to the best of us

i like this map for the berserks

the pain elementals can't spawn lost souls lmao

bruh i corner peaked like the pros

[steel lion]

Hello

[tawdry quest]

hi

im doing a UV+ max playthrough of doom 2

[steel lion]

Nice

[tawdry quest]

its hard :/

[steel lion]

Can you transmit it?

So i see your game

[tawdry quest]

chuckles

i'm playing on my nintendo switch

[steel lion]

Oh

[tawdry quest]

but

i can share my map location and my hud

[steel lion]

On which level are you?

[tawdry quest]

map 9

[steel lion]

That map is hard

[tawdry quest]

im at 27% health rn

[steel lion]

Oh f*ck

[tawdry quest]

scracth that 37%

i picked up a stimpack

[steel lion]

Nice

[tawdry quest]

ima rush for more health

whish me luck

[steel lion]

Ok

I wish a bad luck

[tawdry quest]

too bad lmao

im at 84% now

[steel lion]

Nice

[tawdry quest]

ok

79% imps jumped me

killed a spectre

the pain elementals can't spawn lost souls lmao

mancbus and cacodemon infight

i think the mancubus won cuz hes looking at me

[steel lion]

There is 21 lost soul limit for pain elementaks

[tawdry quest]

ik

it's so your ancient PC does'nt crash

oooh expertly dodged mancubus and in cover now

[steel lion]

Nice

[tawdry quest]

im getting double teamed by imps and a mancubs

[steel lion]

Sad

[tawdry quest]

don't worry im paused rn

[steel lion]

What weapons do you have?

[tawdry quest]

hang on

but i have the shotgun out

BFG (no ammo) rocket launcher ( no ammo)

chainsaw

[steel lion]

Why not the ssg?

[tawdry quest]

chaingun ( no ammo)

[steel lion]

F**k

[tawdry quest]

funny story actullay

[steel lion]

How many shells do you have?

[tawdry quest]

84

[steel lion]

Use the ssg then

[tawdry quest]

I dont have it

[steel lion]

Why?

[tawdry quest]

my sausage fingers keep quicksaving when im a corpse so i have to pistol start

[steel lion]

Ohhh

Sad

Dont quicksave so much

[tawdry quest]

hang on gotta dock my switch rq

[steel lion]

Ok

[tawdry quest]

back

ok imps are dead

i think

[steel lion]

Nice

Im going to play udoom on hurt me plenty

In the f***ing dos version

[tawdry quest]

k see ya

come back for udates

updates*

[steel lion]

No i dont go out

[tawdry quest]

oh

k then

[steel lion]

Im not going to be to talky

[tawdry quest]

i died :/

good thing i saved at spawn

[steel lion]

Thats better than pistol starting

[tawdry quest]

well it wasnt at spawn

[steel lion]

Hangar finished!

[tawdry quest]

it was in a corner

cool

im playing peekaboo with the demons lol

hell knight down!

[steel lion]

[tawdry quest]

mancubs down

painelemental.mp4

ight time to unload 33 boolets into a hell knight

[steel lion]

Chainsawww

[tawdry quest]

secnario: its UV+ mode and this comes at ya

what do ya do

[steel lion]

E1m2 finished

[tawdry quest]

read my secnario

you have a chaingun chainsaw and a shotgun what do ya do

[sonic thorn]

Run backwards

[steel lion]

14% of health f*ck

[tawdry quest]

and?

fluffly boy?

[sonic thorn]

Die usally

[tawdry quest]

do you attempt to shoot at it?

[steel lion]

4 percent hellpppp

[tawdry quest]

and if so with what?

fluff?

[steel lion]

6 percent

33 percent im hapy af

[tawdry quest]

4% lmao

100% im safe

ayyyyyyyy SSG!!!

my game crashed lmao

good thing i saved!

hey jhon

@steel lion

OW! face rocket

1% health

[whole haven]

Pain

https://tenor.com/view/zedd-hi-chat-roblox-gif-22030478

[tawdry quest]

lost souls are buttholes

hey that rhymed! I wonder why!

ok

i beat the room behind the wall at Map 9 what now?

[azure nimbus]

is there anything like d2all with pistol start on every map?

[tawdry quest]

josh

im stuck in the exit room, out of ammo and i have to kill a mancubus :(

is this a secnario where you can just let it slide because its impossible

i have everything except that mancubus

@azure nimbus this is my delemma

[azure nimbus]

map09 is oddly strict on ammo. You can check the whole map, go back to a save, reset the map, you have a lot of options

I would say that if a monster didn't spawn in or you're on a massive map and you miss 1 of 500 monsters and use IDDT to find it, whatever. But if you are simply out of ammo, you lose the uvmax

[tawdry quest]

carp

i have AMMO!

[azure nimbus]

you may need to take advantage of the 21 lost soul limit and punch out pains before killing a lot of lost souls. I think the RL room is fair game but the lost souls in the bfg room take it over the edge before activating pains. If you kill pains before lost souls are killed(so pains are useless), you'll save tons of ammo

[tawdry quest]

dude everything is dead except that one mancubus

but i found some ammo

20 cells 4 shells 10 boolets

YES

HE'S DEAD

LESS GO1

The pit has been conquered!

only took me half an HOUR

20 more maps till the boss fight

[azure nimbus]

one advantage of pistol starting is that it resets your stuff so that A: you never enter maps with extremely low health and B: you know that all your gear resets so you feel more confident using ammo within that level. My first playthroughs in singlesegment, I didn't use bfg cuz I was worried of running out for future levels. Certainly, a speedrunner would plan it out, but for casual stuff, I wasn't doing that

[azure nimbus]

map11 will be your first map with uv+ exclusive monsters.

[tawdry quest]

oh ok

im gonna have ptsd with all these freakin lost souls killing me

frick it

im pistol starting map 10

[tawdry quest]

killed the CD

[azure nimbus]

map 11 is gonna have an extra cyber, then 12 has an extra spiderdemon. It'll be like that mostly til the end

[tawdry quest]

oh

i reset the map for a secert

but i have a good route

[azure nimbus]

I saved the invuln secret for the cyberdemon. 2 tapping him when he's in the toxic sludge is scary without invuln. You could still do it though, just have health saved

[tawdry quest]

l

k*

les goooo

map 10 done!

hey man

you think this is a good time for a break?

no i should ask myself that question.

welp

break time i deserve it

see ya!

[quartz fog]

i'm playing thy flesh consumed and it sucks

it's cruel and unusual

[vast reef]

yk what i'm also going to try a UV+ 100% doom 2 playthrough

[royal heron]

play on a lower difficulty

it's cruel the first time around, but it gets better on second playthroughs

[quartz fog]

i'm on hurt me plenty

it is my first play through but i'm already on e4m4 so i think it's much easier now

[royal heron]

E4M1 is a ballbuster for sure

E4M2 is arguably the best map

E4M3 and E4M4 are pretty much cakewalks

[royal heron]

oh ho, it's worse on UV trust me

at least on HMP, on E4M1 you get medikits

[quartz fog]

oh yeah hell beneath is pain

however it's actually not too tough... assuming you're not trying to get 100%

the main annoying part is getting baron trapped

[royal heron]

sheesh, 3 medikits

you're spoiled to have that honestly

on UV there's only 9 health bonuses 👀

you really gotta focus on the cover shooting on UV

and don't forget the secret rocket launcher

[quartz fog]

you can't get to one of the hp packs in that level, it's too high, or at least i didn't get there

[royal heron]

it's a secret

[quartz fog]

maaan... i didn't get that

[quartz fog]

or that

[royal heron]

I'll show you where it is

[quartz fog]

i got a shotgun from a dead guy and that's all

[royal heron]

brb

[quartz fog]

no i already beat it and got the rkt launch in another map later so i'm gud

[royal heron]

still handy to have that info later

if you ever decide to revisit

[steel lion]

Wait only in uv there are only nine potions?

[royal heron]

yup

[steel lion]

[royal heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/929902834240081920/e4m1.mov

[regal hazel]

Some idiot friend known as @mighty stone didn’t know about a room in the second level

[mighty stone]

Shut up

[regal hazel]

He’s a fake fan

76.101.155.141

This is his IP

[mighty stone]

Why

[royal heron]

what the

[steel lion]

I really prefer gzdoom than prboom or chocolate doom

[regal hazel]

He wouldn’t give me ann takamaki😿

[royal heron]

why did you leak his ip, unless that isnt real

[steel lion]

[royal heron]

understandable, everyone has opinions

[regal hazel]

That’s fair

They’re all good to me

[quartz fog]

yeah i prob will, for my run i just lured a shotgunner in, pistol kill, take shotty, deal with the starter imps and kill more shotgunners and clean up the rest of starter room and blind fire the dark room... grab the red keycard... then grab blue keycard and then pray to god you can get to the blue gate fast enough without getting baron trapped

[royal heron]

there's a shotgun right at the start tho?

[quartz fog]

oh yeah i'm playing gzdoom for ult doom

[royal heron]

you can take it

[quartz fog]

well for my run at least

[steel lion]

I love the commands

[royal heron]

so it's not exactly necessary to take it from a shotgunner

that just increases the chances of taking damage you can't heal back

[quartz fog]

but okay exluding the lure shotgunner... that could work to beat the level on UV right?

[royal heron]

shotgunners can do a max of 45 damage

[royal heron]

it's possible, you can also perform a red key grab

and if you're gonna ask me what a key grab it, it's basically grabbbing the key through the bars

[steel lion]

If the 3 pallets hit you with 15 of damage

[royal heron]

wait you're playing on GZDoom right?

[quartz fog]

yeah

[royal heron]

then the key grab isn't possible

[quartz fog]

well i grabbed it the normal way

sadly not enough ammo to use chaingun properly

[steel lion]

I think in compatibilty options can be changed

[royal heron]

if you grabbed it the normal way you'd have to take the elevator

[royal heron]

yeah but even vanilla emulation won't do it I think

I gotta test it out, brb

[quartz fog]

yeah but at least i did it

i mean the elevator isn't THAT bad on UV is it?

[steel lion]

At least it eliminates noclpping lost souls and projectiles

[quartz fog]

it is fun that gzdoom gives the option to jump it's fun for e4m1 since you can skip calling the elevator in side the red keycard room

so it's really fun to evade the barons with the trick

[royal heron]

yeah the key grab isn't possible even with doom strict compat

[quartz fog]

ngl e4e2 was harder than e4e1

[steel lion]

The most thing i hate about classic doom is that you cant jump if an enemy gets in your way

[quartz fog]

but note i wasn't using the plasma gun since something told me i should save it... idk

[royal heron]

you can grab a secret BFG early, but you again you can't on gzdoom unfortunately

grabs don't work on ZDoom based ports

[quartz fog]

gzdoom gets rid of that but yeah that's annoying... when i got a port of ult doom, like a free copy idk how a friend told me about it, the version of ult doom used the up and down arrow keys to move back and forth and slowly tilt your head left or right with the other two arrow keys which was annoying af so i had to use gzdoom

[royal heron]

just so you know what I'm talking about, this is the BFG "grab" that I'm discussing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/918493352658358332/grab.mov

[quartz fog]

.... that's illegial

[steel lion]

Maybe it was the DOS version

[quartz fog]

you pulled it out of a wall

yeah the mouse actually move the character if you moved the mouse

so i think it was designed for a joystick

[steel lion]

Im hearing the ultimate challenge on the gba style and it sounds better

[royal heron]

if you run fast enough into the wall on a more vanilla based port, then the code overshoots where you're actually supposed to be, and your hitbox touches the BFG, which pulls it through the wall

that's the simplest way I can explain it

[steel lion]

Yeah it was the dos version

[quartz fog]

i see

[steel lion]

Im completely sure about that

[royal heron]

DOS is true vanilla

[steel lion]

Yeah

[royal heron]

it's quite a pain to play for modern people though

who're used to mouse + WASD

I tried it, it's like controller but worse

[quartz fog]

is it even possible to beat doom on dos? like it seems so annoying

[steel lion]

If you are using dosbox you can chabge the controls from the setup program

[quartz fog]

assuming you don't change the controls

[steel lion]

I tried

[royal heron]

definitely, people have done numerous speedruns on DOS before sourceports were accepted as the standard way of speedrunning

[quartz fog]

i died at e1m3, couldn't turn fast enough

[steel lion]

Well no really

[royal heron]

which is why Compet-n died out

[quartz fog]

hats off to them

[steel lion]

Compet n died????

[royal heron]

mhm, it's basically dead

people use DSDArchive now

[steel lion]

And you cant strafe

Practilly

[quartz fog]

actually it seems possible to beat the dos version assuming you use only mouse

screw the arrow keys

[royal heron]

Compet-n died because the archive maintainer insisted that only DOS could be used, and no sourceport or modifications allowed

[steel lion]

Yeah there is even a button for moving forward

[steel lion]

Ohhh

[royal heron]

and since during that time MS-DOS was dropped and the closest thing was DOSBOX, which was a close emulation but not 100% perfect, it was not allowed either

so it just... yeah committed scooter ankle

[steel lion]

You can submit runs rn?

[royal heron]

Compet-n isn't used nowadays, DSDArchive is where everyone is at and live

[steel lion]

From like a virtual machine emulating MS-DOS?

[royal heron]

stands for Doomed Speed Demos Archive

[royal heron]

you could, but I'm pretty sure no one is maintaining the site anymore

and it's very outdated

and it'd be a pain to do so

when you're able to speedrun on modern sourceports where you can have WASD and submit them

[steel lion]

idk why but in version 1.2 of DOS doom 1 you cant heal up to 200% you can heal up to 199% and you can have more than 200% armor by using armor bonuses, weird

Idk which is the max of armor

[royal heron]

yeah it's strange like that

you could also get demons to suicide

[steel lion]

How?

[royal heron]

you can play those super old versions using emulators online

[steel lion]

Ohh i remember

why using explosive barrels,right?

[royal heron]

yeah, and there was a bug where it didn't check to see who made it explode

[steel lion]

No it did

[royal heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_slF2ne_drQ&feature=emb_title

[quartz fog]

splash dmg

[steel lion]

If a barrel was hit and it didnt explode it remembered which entity caused that

[royal heron]

this is the video where it happened

[quartz fog]

cacodemons can do it

[royal heron]

first time I saw it

[steel lion]

I need to play them

[quartz fog]

if they shoot into a wall... it's happened to me, not suicide, but they took dmg

[steel lion]

Cause its not my computer

[royal heron]

there is the issue about if the emulators are legal or not, which a lot of people say are not

[steel lion]

But there is one which emulates doom 2 and the ultimate doom on version 1.9

[quartz fog]

okay not like that where they kill themselves but acidently shooting themselves is possible

[steel lion]

For me, if the game is old its legal

[quartz fog]

okay i know doom isn't meant to have jumping but since gzdoom had it i've abused it sometimes like for e4m3 where you have like a few imps and pinkys in this room that's barricaded with a window you barely can't fit? yeah there's a gap there making it impossible to get through buuuuuut... if you jump at the right time then you can instantly get through the level and not need the blue keycard, in fact you didn't need any keycard

[steel lion]

I dont use it cause i dont like it

[royal heron]

oh yeah that

you can also "jump" there in vanilla

here, lemme pull up a video real quick

brb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7NeBh8qwMA

9 second speedrun on Ultra-Violence

[steel lion]

9 seconds!???

[royal heron]

you achieve that by running fast enough using a technique called SR50 to barely catch the ledge of the window

[steel lion]

I cant even beat it on im to young to die

[royal heron]

SR50 is advanced speedrunner stuff though

[steel lion]

Someone recomends the source port for ps4??

[quartz fog]

yeye this

except i jumped towards the imps side of the place

okay since this is uv i can't actually say the imps side since literally everythings random but the other side of the room, the one with the teleporter in it

that gaps possible with jumps

[royal heron]

ah that side

that'd result in quite a short run

[quartz fog]

yup

sadly tho i only realized that AFTER taking 5 minutes to explore the rest of the area and then discovering the loop hole by jumping through a hole

[royal heron]

rip

[sinful crown]

the doom classics never get old

[steel lion]

Yeah

[vast reef]

i don't play vanilla on gzdoom because i can't find the option to turn on infinite monster height

i like it without mouselook (unless i'm playing mods)

[steel lion]

But why, why would you that?

[vast reef]

because if i turn off mouselook
i can't hit monsters that are too high or too low

[steel lion]

Why dont use prboom?

[vast reef]

i do use prboom

that's why i said i don't play vanilla on gzdoom

i like gz's lighting though

[steel lion]

I use it principally for the liberty it gives with its console and the gameplay options

I always play on im too young to die (cause i cant put the half damahe and the double ammo giving) with fast and respawning mosnters

Its fun

[quartz fog]

ngl that does sound enticing

[steel lion]

How do recomend playing hell revealed?

[azure nimbus]

can't say I'd recommend playing it generally. Hell revealed is a pretty vanilla set iirc. Should run on most anything you like

[steel lion]

Oh

[azure nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9MnvHPXwUs mtpain's review

[royal heron]

just... don't

hell revealed aged pretty badly as a megawad, but it was essential for defining the standard of today's megawads, which to say are difficult

[azure nimbus]

if you want the challenge, you can play hard content that is also well...good and fun. Microslaughter community project for example

[royal heron]

^

[steel lion]

Sunlust?

[royal heron]

Heartland is another great one, but it requires the Eternity Engine

[royal heron]

play on hey not too rough or hurt me plenty for extra challenge

[steel lion]

Why?

[royal heron]

ultra-violence is reserved for doom gods

Sunlust... is ultra hard

bur not in a bad way I would say tbh

[steel lion]

Decino is a doom god right?

[royal heron]

I suppose he can be considered one, yes

[steel lion]

He beated no chance on uv

[royal heron]

he's done some impressive stuff, yeah

[steel lion]

He knows what he needs to do

[azure nimbus]

Ribikks is a mapmaker who designs his levels primarily for hurt me plenty and strongly recommends it. Supposedly, he used to require you send him a demo of you winning on HMP before sending you an ultraviolence copy. I don't know many other mappers who primarily focus on HMP instead of UV

[royal heron]

this ^

[steel lion]

I prefer playing on hmp instead on ultra violence

I think for good players is preferable for being a more relaxed experience

[azure nimbus]

is heartland even "hard" or just lengthy per map? I've played through the first 6 levels with saves and never got around to finishing map07. I usually do saveless but I've streamed enough skillsaw and the maps are long. I can fool around with the new guns fer funzies every now and then

[royal heron]

heartland is decently challenging

apparently mtpain said it was one of skillsaw's hardest wads to date

I'm playing through it casually with saves, but I'll play through it without saves eventually

[azure nimbus]

it does have several explosive monsters so it can be punnishing. I've played his vanguard and Ancient Aliens. vanguard < AA for difficulty. I visited very little of valiant but it looks more challenging. Heartland is more consistently difficult I suppose but AA did have a few "meaner" sections like the saucer fights where you had arches within a space ship

[royal heron]

map07 is quite slaughtermap-ey

at the beginning, it forces you to give up all of your guns if you were doing single-segment

[azure nimbus]

Oh yeah wonder how they pulled that off

is that an eternity only feature to detect what weapons you have / if you did single segment / give away weapons?

[royal heron]

you have to hack through some monsters with a fire-ax and berserk before you pick up stuff like shotgun and rocket launcher

not sure, but it's impressive at how creative that is

[azure nimbus]

Ok true you're right. I haven't beaten that last level mainly because it's harder than the rest

I began it pistol start and it didn't make me give anything away. it's cool how it knows

[royal heron]

yeah

it's interesting how it won't let you past the gate unless you clear your inventory

it's stuff I'd like to see in other megawads

[azure nimbus]

or romero exit works too. Eviternity does not kill you and I don't here a romero death. I don't know how they accomplish pistol starts between chapters.

[royal heron]

that's quite interesting

maybe an MBF quirk?

[azure nimbus]

no. Works if you use boom comp level (on woof anyway). I see doom guy do a pained face as he exits? maybe it's a secret death exit somehow?

So death exit is different than the e1m8 style damaging floor exit right? My understanding is that if you frickin die as you exit, then pistol start. But the damaging floor style exit will simply place you in the next map as you are the moment you drop under 20 health

[royal heron]

yeah

also, arrhythmia is also quite interesting

it's heartland's map08

it's an empty level and if you look on the automap it looks super tiny, but if you don't it looks like a endless level

i think it teleports you using linedefs or something, it's super trippy

like for example, when you enter the level it looks like this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/929926545596882994/Screen_Shot_2022-01-09_at_9.35.57_PM.png

seems to be an endless corridor(it expands in all cardinal directions)

[cyan aspen]

Really says a lot about the fake fans joining the wholesome DOOM community

[royal heron]

but if you pull up the automap with IDDT, it looks like this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/929927096879439942/Screen_Shot_2022-01-09_at_9.38.06_PM.png

[finite crag]

heartland is pretty cool
would like to see another eternity wad like it someday

[royal heron]

agreed

[finite crag]

a cyberpunk themed eternity wad that takes advantage of all or most of its features would be pretty cool imo

[azure nimbus]

is the cluster bomb launcher better or worse than bfg? it's hard to say. It seems to be stronger. It is interesting to see what another rocket weapon could be. Every other ammo type has a pair

the flamethrower looks clearly better than plasma, but the selfdamage evens it out.

[gleaming urchin]

[scarlet compass]

Man, using the brutal doom SSG on pinkies is great

[austere rapids]

so is the explosion stuff linked to the death of the romero head or is it something written in to the level?

[steel lion]

I think it could be like a rocket launcher weaker but faster

Nightmare is fun

Really fun

[austere rapids]

I prefer uv+

its like nightmare but without respawning enemies

and thats the bit I don't like about it

[steel lion]

Uv+ has all weapons and enemies from network ganes right?

[slim willow]

yes

[steel lion]

Oh

[vast reef]

yes

[austere rapids]

I also think the map 2 chaingun and plasma rifle are great

[royal heron]

actually, would to be possible to create an automatic pistol starting mechanism if you place two linedefs before a damaging floor, one that raises a wall so you can't escape the pool(or you can sink the damaging floor into the ground) and have the second linedef release a voodoo doll that eventually crosses another linedef to exit the level so you'd finish the level when you die and automatically pistol start the next map?

it seems kinda stupid tho ngl

romero pistol starts are a lot easier to make

[halcyon willow]

Barrels and voodoo dolls are a pretty common method

[steel lion]

Hey guys how do you recommend the classics collection for ps4???

[analog ridge]

Doesn't classic Doom take place in 2022?

[steel lion]

Oh f*ck

Thank you for making me happy

[cosmic pagoda]

eww brutal doom... the doom 2 SSG was perfection, any alterations to it will inevitably make it worse

[vast reef]

i don't think they changed much

[past field]

whats wrong with brutal doom though?

[vast reef]

lots of people don't like it because popular = bad

also because they feel it changes too much about doom and tries too hard to be modern

and ends up feeling wrong for some people

imo it's fine but i'd rather play vanilla on uv+ any day

[lusty badger]

how come doom eternal secrets are like "okay so to find this secret go to the glowy question mark on your map to find the funny figurine" and classic doom secrets are like "okay so to find this secret you need to blow up this barrel with your chainsaw, then, hump this wall 12 times. Don't spam it, because if you do, you will not be able to complete the secret. After that, a secret lift will open up next to you. Have your rocket launcher ready because there are twelve imps at the top all stacked together. After you kill them all, a wall will open up and you will get the rocket launcher early."

[chilly rover]

anyone thinks that the original doom is a master art piece?

[azure nimbus]

cluster bomb launcher from heartland is much much stronger than rocket launcher. Maybe check out dwars' playthrough and watch him use it. It shoots one rocket that bursts into a bunch. It one-hits a baron

[latent lagoon]

which is the worst doom 2 map

[azure nimbus]

maybe map13? idk there are a bunch that just don't really work too well imo

[vast reef]

yes

doom 1 has superior level design to doom 2 (imo), but doom 2 has new monsters and the SSG

[azure nimbus]

both levels are kinda meh. There are some solid ones in there of course. I like that doom2 has more stuff for modding to build from.

[vast reef]

yes

[grim pollen]

Computer station > Doom 2 > Doom 1

[hallow herald]

Yeah pretty much

[torn pivot]

https://youtu.be/YE1WgjfUAEk

[fickle adder]

I don’t like it because 1. It does try too hard to be modern 2. People are weird gore freaks about it

[steel lion]

Doom 2 has chaingunners

Which makes it worse

Than doom 1

Thats my rewiev of doom 2

[quartz fog]

i hate thy flesh consumed but i beat it

[broken meteor]

Is anyone else on classic doom?

[halcyon willow]

Always

[quartz fog]

i just started 4 days ago and beated it, might replay some levels, is there any commands to skip to a particular level?

without needed save loading?

[broken meteor]

No

[quartz fog]

nuuu

part of me wanted to rocket duel cyberdemon again

[azure nimbus]

yes. type idclev and then the episode number then map number. or just map number for doom2

[quartz fog]

gzdoom doesn't change anything right?

[azure nimbus]

yes it does. The mechanics change noticably

[valid olive]

I think its one of the least “faithful” source ports

On the topic of source ports. How do you enable fast monsters in prboom+?

[azure nimbus]

-fast in the command line

[halcyon willow]

Depends entirely on what compatibility settings you use

[azure nimbus]

even at strict, it still changes a lot

[halcyon willow]

Nothing the average player will notice

[quartz fog]

wait i forgot what button to open up console commands on ult doom?

nvm found it

[quartz fog]

so like "idcleve2m2"?

[finite crag]

no

type idclev22

[valid olive]

How do i get it to open the command line instead of starting immediately?

Cause i know you can just type that but i can’t find a way to open the command line

And i’m not gonna go to chocolate doom cause i like having 16:9

[pearl osprey]

Using the command line requires some knowledge on cmd.exe or the terminal

A much easier solution is to use a doom launcher

[valid olive]

I tried doing that but it just gave me a batch file which i wasn’t able to open and no further instructions

[pearl osprey]

Try downloading dsda launcher it has a checkbox for fast monsters

[royal heron]

IDCLEV

[steel lion]

A .bat is diferent depending on which commands are we talking about

[royal heron]

or, you can use changemap in gzdoom

[steel lion]

In gzdoom in the full options menu you can change some settings like respawning,fast,nomo, or even having always the double ammo capacity

I prefer the doom 2 ost in the gba version than the original

[azure nimbus]

in zdl there is a section on the bottom for typing commands. but idk what launcher you use

[steel lion]

For usual ones are
-fast for fast monsters
-complevel # for new sourceports # being the number of the complevel -nomonsters for no monsters on the level
respawn for respawning monsters
and file for selecting the wad

[quartz fog]

doesn't work eitehr

[pearl osprey]

Not in the console

Just as a cheat code

[pearl osprey]

While in game

[quartz fog]

oh okay

[steel lion]

Wait

For me works

[pearl osprey]

In console you use MAP command, ingame you use IDCLEV

[steel lion]

Maybe its an option you can change

[quartz fog]

one issue i got is that if i put idclev210, it thinks i'm saying idclev21 since it takes a second to type 0 after 1

[steel lion]

What?

Which wad are you playing?

[azure nimbus]

what do you want 210 to be?

[halcyon willow]

There are no map 10s in any episode

[steel lion]

No

There are only 9

[quartz fog]

well when i typed idclev29, it gave me sloughs of despair which isn't the final level, or at least idk where the cyberdemon fight is

i think it's the final level of episode 2

[steel lion]

No no no

Al final levels are the 8th map

The 9th map is a secret map

the commands work like this

The first number is the episode the second one is the map

[quartz fog]

so if i type idclev2, it means episode 2, if i put nine, it means mission 9?

e2m9?

[steel lion]

Yes

If you put 10 if warps to e1m1

Cuz there is no map 0 in any episode

If you pit only one number like 2 it also transports you to the 1st map of the episode

Only in doom 1

In doom 2 only put the number of the map

[azure nimbus]

always 2 digits. 04 is 4.

[steel lion]

Yeah

[azure nimbus]

oh and sigil can be done with episode 3 or episode 5 style commands, least for my version.

[steel lion]

Idk i have a separated wad of sigil

[azure nimbus]

is there an iwad version? As far as I know, it requires doom1's iwad to run cuz it's a pwad

[royal heron]

sigil doesn't have an iwad version

[steel lion]

No

Its only as a pwad

[limpid zinc]

I mean you could make it an iwad if you wanted to but there’s no point in doing that

[royal heron]

wouldn't it force you to use DOOM's textures unless you remade every single one?

[limpid zinc]

Unless if I’m mistaken you could just import everything from the pwad to a doom iwad

[royal heron]

oh right

you'd have to add an extra episode though

and I'm pretty sure it's definitely not legal to distribute

[limpid zinc]

Oh 100% not

It’s just a doom iwad with an added episode

Or it’d have e3 replaced if you use the compat version of sigil

[royal heron]

yeah

[zenith berry]

“Sigil was created as a mod for Doom, and is distributed as such.”

[steel lion]

Oh

[azure nimbus]

was responding to tis. didnt understand what that meant

[quartz fog]

playing doom 2 rn... anyone got a soundtrack to play in the background? smth a bit more metal than bobby prince?

[quartz fog]

fair enough

[stiff leaf]

[stiff leaf]

[vast reef]

andrew hulshult's versions

[quartz fog]

of the doom 2 ost?

[vast reef]

but honestly they feel a bit too metal for blasting 2d sprites

[vast reef]

he hasn't done all of doom 2 yet

but he has done most of doom 1

[steel lion]

Yeah

No wait he made all of them

[quartz fog]

i looked at all of them... i don't think it matters wheter they line up with map number i can just shuffle them on yt

[steel lion]

Me

[quartz fog]

this sounds like fun

[vast reef]

no, not all of them
if we're talking doom 2

[steel lion]

Oh

[quartz fog]

idk why they made the hell knight for doom 2, ngl thy flesh consumed was the ultimate f*** u for using a weaker version of a baron of hell

[steel lion]

Who would win?

[stiff leaf]

brain spider or cooked meatball

[quartz fog]

mancubi

obv

[steel lion]

No the cyborg imp

[quartz fog]

how bout a scoop of ice cream with legs? anybody?

gl guessing which demon i'm talking about

[steel lion]

Thats the lost soul

[quartz fog]

hint: it's from doom eternal

[quartz fog]

nope... that's just flaming ice cream

[steel lion]

I didnt play doom eternal

[stiff leaf]

me neither

also this is classic doom

[quartz fog]

me neither i just know the demons

[quartz fog]

yeah that's fair

alright i'll say instead trumpet boy would win

[steel lion]

#doom-eternal

[stiff leaf]

we go to #doom-eternal

[quartz fog]

every1 from eternal, what demon looks like a scoop of melted ice cream on legs?

[steel lion]

#doom-eternal

[stiff leaf]

go to #doom-eternal

[quartz fog]

yeye smrt

[zinc forge]

playing the original

[stiff leaf]

cool

[azure nimbus]

most likely the pain elemental because an arachnotron cannot ever target a pain elemental. If a PE shoots a lost soul and it hits a monster, the monster will target the lost soul and not the PE

[royal heron]

Because barons are annoying

Too tanky

Hell knights have a better damage-health balance

Yonatan Donner has a thing for barons

And it's massively annoying

[azure nimbus]

what is the weaker baron version in thy flesh consumed?

[quartz fog]

ngl while doom might have not been the right game to do this, i think any other game... only ghost runner had smth like this but basically invulnerablen enemy that was basically a baron in terms of attack type? if that makes sense

[quartz fog]

there isn't any... that's why it's the ult f*** u to hell knight's idea

[azure nimbus]

then idk what you mean sorry

[royal heron]

Even I'm getting confused with the wording here

E4 didn't use Hell Knights because it's Ultimate Doom

Not Doom 2

[quartz fog]

yeah ig it would be weird if they just chucked a hell knight even tho the other three episodes don't got hell knights

[royal heron]

So no, it's not a "fuck you to hell knights for E4 to use barons" it's because hell knights just don't exist in Ultimate Doom

[quartz fog]

yeah

[upper root]

So I'm playing doom complete with fullrun on, should I skip sigil or no?

[azure nimbus]

what you consider part of the standard doom experience is super subjective. do you include doom3, doom64, do you consider ultimate doom's 4th episode, sigil, master levels, tnt+plutonia, the entirely of custom content from the past 30 years? Sigil is made by Romero of course so it gets some extra consideration but it is not retail doom

[upper root]

doom complete has Ultimate Doom, Sigil, Doom 2, Master Levels, NRFTL, Final Doom

in one wad

you of course, have to own said wads beforehand

[azure nimbus]

my take is that it is not "the standard set" but I do think it's good content and made by a cool classic ID guy so it's worth playing.

what "is" doom complete? Is it an abstract set of games to play for a sequence or is it a thing that you can buy?

what it looks like to me is the set of retail doom + sigil which is everything ID has a hand in for classic doom.

[upper root]

it's a compiler basically

[azure nimbus]

whatever the case, sigil is some high quality content

[upper root]

it's so you don't have to load separate wads

[azure nimbus]

Philosophizing aside, sigil is a very strong mapset

[valid olive]

turbo pinkies are terrifying

that is all

i'm doing a uv fast run and turbo spectres have caused more than one heart attack

[upper root]

true

[torpid mesa]

buy doom 2 from Steam you can put mods on it?

[valid olive]

Raise your hands high if you hate tricks and traps with a burning passion

[finite crag]

raises hands down very low

[vast reef]

you need gzdoom for mods

take the doom2.wad from the game files

actually no, that's not even needed

just download gzdoom and it'll find the doom 2 wad automatically

then you can run mods with it

[valid olive]

uv fast with no saves and its horrible, cause if you suck at video games like i do, you're pistol starting it, and there is no way you can go that won't end in immediate death

[finite crag]

sounds like a skill issue /j

[valid olive]

thats what i said

i am bad at video games

[vast reef]

go on a redemption arc
gain skill

[finite crag]

jokes aside, you'll probably beat tricks and traps on uv+ sometime soon
just keep trying and eventually you'll succeed

[valid olive]

i'm taking a break for now cause it really wasn't a good idea to play a difficult game while i'm already not doing well

[steel lion]

Thats why im taking my time playing doom 1 or 2 on hmp

Im really suck at this games

[vast reef]

i sent a meme here apparently?
it was a skill issue gif lmao

i'm fine with it though

[steel lion]

Yes

[steel lion]

Should i try some day playing for the first time episode 4 in nightmare

Im going to practice knee deep i the dead in uv for knowing where they appear

For comparison i cant beat e4m1 on itytd

[wanton basin]

it took me 6 hours to beat hell beneath on uv

then i was like "phew, thats over" then it took me 4 hours to beat e4m2

that was a year ago and i havent touched e4 since

[cosmic pagoda]

Its one of the good maps of doom 2

[azure nimbus]

so many maps of doom2, that one included are a pain to uvmax. If I want to burn through that level, I can grab the plasma, take the yellow key from the cyber, the red key from the baron + imp area and leave.

But to 100% the map, I need to visit the pain elemental area for basically no items, the chainsaw trap for...a chainsaw, the slime area for absolutely nothing of importance too.

[royal heron]

^

[hallow herald]

Idclev

[azure nimbus]

nightmare is a joke difficulty. It's doable but requires second-to-second knowledge and solid luck and excellent execution. It is only possible on select maps too, mostly vanilla stuff

[finite crag]

both doom and 2 keeps crashing on my ps4

any fix around it?

[royal heron]

Nightmare is speedrunning exclusive

[azure nimbus]

maybe visit a level on nightmare to convince yourself how dumb it is

[royal heron]

I recommend E1M3

👀

[azure nimbus]

e1m1 ez, e1m2 ez. e1m3 :(

[safe moon]

just finished plutonia, kicked my ass but hell yeah, would play again

oh wait i forgor, the secret levels exists

[smoky lodge]

Tricks and Traps is the best level in D2 imo along with Refueling the Base, and Suburbs

[azure nimbus]

suberbs is a good one. Closest to slaughter as doom2 ever gets

[finite crag]

map29 >>>

[quartz fog]

it is tho... i played it and it's great... you can easily speedrun it without too much skill since it's just pick the right rooms.... dead simple is cool since the mancubi introduction but like tricks and traps

[azure nimbus]

29 still confuses me with the rando rockets scattered about despite no rocket launcher

[fickle adder]

[royal heron]

Probably for single segment players

[smoky lodge]

For sure..i remember when playing Doom 2 as a teen i would turn on God mode and unleash all of the monsters then turn god mode back off just to battle all of the monsters at once it was pretty cool. Refueling the Base is my all time favorite i fused it with E2M2

[azure nimbus]

Refueling base was designed, at least roughly, before doom1 even came out. I think it was partially a testing area but I'm not sure. it's cool that it was used later on

[safe moon]

honestly my fav map is map29 along with monster condo (I never bother to read the map names tbh) it just feels like a trudge where you overcome the odds and definitely feels like it's prepping you for the big bad guy

now nrftl level 6 on the otherhand feels like an absolute journey especially with the fan made midipack

[azure nimbus]

I like NRFTL and all, but why did it get added as a retail product too?

[meager kite]

I like The arena and Map 10

map 8 is pretty fun map 30 sucks

[meager kite]

I feel that way about plutonia map 2 I was trying to pistol start it with around 30 rockets and no rocket launcher

[meager kite]

YOu should move onto hell revealed

[azure nimbus]

you should not. Hell revealed has not aged well

[carmine monolith]

anyone still play these?

[azure nimbus]

mtpain27 reviewed it recently

[halcyon willow]

I'd only recommend hell revealed if you're playing it coop

[dapper flint]

[halcyon willow]

HR 1 and 2 are OK smashing through it with a bunch of people

[tender otter]

petition to change to :deadguy:

[royal heron]

Agreed honestly with the HR

I've tried it

Quit at map 14

[meager kite]

hell revealed 2 is fine

[meager kite]

Only some maps in HR2 are fun

I like Map 7,10,13,14,15,32,20,24,29

Map 1 is a solid opener and map 15 is hella good fun

800 enemies and plenty of cells

I also think it has a sick midi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34SBJRHV9sU

[safe moon]

oh-
ive heard .things.... about it

whatever its either that or tnt evilution (cuz ive barely played it yet)

[dapper flint]

Definitely

[finite crag]

this might be my bias towards hating slaughter maps and my love towards tnt but tnt is far better than hr

[safe moon]

if all else fails, then im resorting to project brutality

[earnest sparrow]

Are there any chainsaws in episode 3?

[finite crag]

yes

[meager kite]

Doubt

HR is ok I dislike the midis and baron spam but HR 2 is in my opinion the best wad ever made

[finite crag]

play heartland

or valiant
or auger;zenith

[meager kite]

I have

Valiant's hell levels are pretty average the moon is good fun

I like SOD alot aswell

[dapper flint]

Personally hurt has been the best map I've played so far. Always go back to it once in a while now since October. My favorite wad is eviternity though

[safe moon]

auger zenith just absolutely obliterates my potato pc lol

even with lzdoom

[dapper flint]

Micro slaughter is a good time too. Shout out to my boy bridgeburner

[finite crag]

play it with crispy doom

[halcyon willow]

[safe moon]

oh damn didnt know its compatible with those other source ports, i do atleast have like a fork of prboom+ so that works

[finite crag]

it's limit-removing, so it should work with anything other than chocolate

[safe moon]

damn doesnt seem to be playing the intro voiceline correctly

[finite crag]

does it atleast run better?

[safe moon]

ye very much so lol

[finite crag]

good
some maps will dip in framerate but it shouldn't be that bad

[royal heron]

I can't actually name a best wad that I've played actually

Probably has to go to heartland

[azure nimbus]

not until e3m5

[valid olive]

Just so i know i got this correct, when you die in the original doom games, you go back to the start with just a pistol

Cause if thats not the case then i’m gonna be pissed

[safe moon]

ye basically, unless you got gzdoom and have autosaves turned on cuz it'll otherwise load them automatically

[royal heron]

yes

or autosaves from GZDoom, yeah

[vast reef]

i like autoautosave

it has proper checkpoints instead of saving every 5 minutes

it saves upon getting items, unlocking secrets, and killing bosses

[halcyon willow]

Only if it's scripted into the map

[vast reef]

from what i read it works on every map

autoautosave is a mod

[halcyon willow]

That's also scripted. Gzdoom doesn't build in autosaves for you out of the box. The save points have to be added in by a 3rd party

[vast reef]

yeah

i'm talking about the autoautosave mod, it saves upon collecting items

and getting secrets

[halcyon willow]

That sounds annoying tbh

[vast reef]

you can configure it

[halcyon willow]

I'd rather have control of where I save

[vast reef]

i just save at the start of the level and nowhere else

[halcyon willow]

But each to their own

[safe moon]

you can manually save an autosave by binding a key doe
atleast it almost doesnt save when youre being gangbanged by a mob of demons... almost (it only happened to me like 2 or 3 times)

[halcyon willow]

You mean quicksave?

That's bound by default

[safe moon]

ye doe it saves in your autosaves instead and is just like a one tap (never bothered to look up on how to remove that prompt to save lol)

[halcyon willow]

F6

Gzdoom also supports rolling quicksaves

Which might be what you're referring to

[safe moon]

ye that

i think...

still very good as a qol mod

[halcyon willow]

The rolling saves are built into gzdoom now

Was added.... 4.5 maybe?

[safe moon]

idk but couldnt find the option

[azure nimbus]

only the start of the level. you can save whenever you want but I do recommend only saving sparingly

[finite crag]

nah

[valid olive]

i'm forcing myself to do uv fast with no mid level saves

[finite crag]

I recommend saving every second

[valid olive]

and if i die, guess i'm starting with a pistol

dnag

ahem

[safe moon]

played so much nugget doom recently that i keep forgetting that my space button on gzdoom is jump lol (nugget doom is basically woof which is basically prboom+ mbf with crispy doom features... for some reason you cant change your resolution doe)

[valid olive]

i would use saves to make life easier but momma didn't raise no [REDACTED]

[royal heron]

pistol starting is a good way to learn level layout

so instead of relying on things from previous levels, you can rely on your own skills and knowledge to pass a level

[safe moon]

that or replaying sigil and knee deep in the dead a dozen times

i srsly cannot stop myself from replaying those two

[vast reef]

when i was little i savescummed so much

[finite crag]

I savescum all the time lol
ain't got time to have a heart attack after dying on a hard map and being sent back to the beginning with nothing but a pistol

[safe moon]

same lol, especially with very long maps

[finite crag]

based

[steel lion]

I think the most annoying monster in the game is the lost soul

[halcyon willow]

save as much or as little as you want

[vast reef]

chaingunner on fast monsters would like to argue

[steel lion]

Pain elemental with fast monsters

[vast reef]

chaingunners are more common than PEs

and they form an unstoppable line of hitscan

but yes pain elementals live up to their name on fast monsters

[safe moon]

this and lost souls, i hate em, if i had the ammo i would immediately just gut em down

[steel lion]

A chaingun or plasma rifle are the most usefulm weapons for killing them

[safe moon]

just took 1 hour to finish a map lol

yeah this is why i save scum

[vast reef]

skill issue
i only savescum on practice runs where i try to get a good feel of the map

[finite crag]

skill issue
is bad at quake
no u have skill issue

[vast reef]

and i'm proud of it /s

[mortal aurora]

whats the best source port of doom for ps3

not counting doom 3 bfg edition

[vast reef]

i think BFG edition's the only way to play classic doom on ps3

[upper swallow]

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[vast reef]

made in picocad? it gives off that vibe ngl

[cosmic pagoda]

Chaingunners are fun to fight

Pain elementals are just pain

[vast reef]

kind of

[vast reef]

cacodemons are just caco

[cosmic pagoda]

Yes

Cacodemons are so cute

With their hsssss

[vast reef]

@finite crag somebody agrees with you

[finite crag]

Finally someone who gets it!

[cosmic pagoda]

[zenith berry]

Japanese Community Project has a part in one of the levels in where you had to choose if you like Caco or not. You choose No? A crusher somewhere activates, crushing a voodoo doll, which kills you in process.

[vast reef]

lmao

[cosmic pagoda]

haha thats an awesome idea

[hallow herald]

Try with nugget doom

[safe moon]

thats what im using lol and yeah tried it and it works properly now

shame that i cant use d4v with it, fits the aesthetic pretty well (i can still technically use it, just that it overrides the music and i dun want that)

[finite crag]

delete the music from d4v

[safe moon]

well that worked... doe it seems like it removes some of the custom assets cuz of the mod, blegh imma just play it vanilla

[hallow herald]

Ah noice

[safe moon]

still weird that it doesnt let you pick resolutions but it still lets you pick between high and low and nuthin else (atleast theres widescreen)

[upper swallow]

picocad is not a voxel editor. I used magicavoxel.

[untold wraith]

doom

[scarlet compass]

Doing "Dis" with brutal doom is easier than I thought

[oblique blaze]

so im trying to use cheat codes on doom 2 but they dont work

command unknown

[pearl osprey]

don't enter them in the console, type them ingame

[oblique blaze]

with t?

[pearl osprey]

no just type them

when the game is unpaused

don't use chat or console

[oblique blaze]

ohhhh

i get it

thanks lol

[pearl osprey]

np

[oblique blaze]

hey uh is there a way to spawn enemies?

[pearl osprey]

can't be done with cheat codes, but it's probably possible on GZDoom with the console

which source port do you have, GZDoom or something else?

[oblique blaze]

im in gzdoom

playing brutal doom

[pearl osprey]

on GZDoom you can open the console and type "summon ENEMYNAME"

These are the names for all monsters in doom2

ShotgunGuy = Former Human Sergeant
ChaingunGuy = Former Commando
DoomImp = Imp
Demon = Demon
Spectre = Spectre
LostSoul = Lost Soul
Cacodemon = Cacodemon
HellKnight = Hell Knight
BaronofHell = Baron of Hell
Arachnotron = Arachnotron
PainElemental = Pain Elemental
Revenant = Revenant
Fatso = Mancubus
ArchVile = Arch-Vile
SpiderMastermind = Spider Mastermind
Cyberdemon = Cyberdemon
WolfensteinSS = S.S.
CommanderKeen = Commander Keen
BossTarget = Spot where a boss cube lands
BossEye = Invisible thing that "sees" the player and eminates the final boss sound, as well as the location that actually launches the boss cubes
BossBrain = Romero's Head```

Although the names might be different in brutal doom

[oblique blaze]

ok tysm

[scarlet compass]

you can also spawn friendly enemies

[oblique blaze]

cool

[scarlet compass]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/6t2oz8/brutal_doom_console_commands_list/

also you playing ultimate doom, doom 2, TNT or plutonia?

[faint scarab]

Can Console Commands be used on DOOM 2 for Nintendo Switch?

[scarlet compass]

I don't think so

Dont quote me on that though, I've never used a switch

[pearl osprey]

Unless it's modded no you can't

[scarlet compass]

Dang I cant figure out how to progress in map 14

oh I figured it out

[faint scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[scarlet compass]

ha I found a toaster

why is there a tank

what do I do about that

it seems indestructible

[azure nimbus]

Played the first 7 maps of Alien Vendetta. Solid so far. And shoutout to Rowdy Rudy. It's a nice lil mapset, all vanilla too

[molten iron]

Alien Vemdetta was probably the wad that disappointed me the most

Evreryone was praising it and saying how good it was, but I find it boring

[scarlet compass]

Haven't done that one yet

[molten iron]

It has some good fights and nice visuals, buti find it boring

But Ancient Aliens, now thats an amazing wad

[grim pollen]

Depends on your nostalgia but the one fact thats always shocking to me is AV gets released before Scythe #1. Alien Vendetta looks are on another level for a 2002 megawad.

[azure nimbus]

It's no OTEX texture pack but it looks very good considering how I'm barely older than it

[dapper flint]

I enjoyed it. Really depends on the person

[azure nimbus]

I was a lil annoyed at map06's grindiness with shooting over 100 ssg

[vivid vine]

AV is also vanilla format

[halcyon willow]

I'd still play alien vendetta over a lot of stuff that came afterwards as well

Iconic mapset

[grim pollen]

Edited: Bridgeburner would still play Dark Dome over a lot of stuff that came afterwards.
Iconic demon slaying

[halcyon willow]

That might be one of my favorites lol

But the whole hell episode is fantastic

I even like misri halek

The hell stuff was a big early influence on me

[grim pollen]

I don't think you need to grab anything from the map but i'd love to see your take on a map titled dark dome

Like Doom 2 in name only but uhh.... good

[vivid vine]

No End In Sight In Name Only

Neisino

[desert yarrow]

What do you guys think of
Brutal Doom

[royal heron]

its eh

[dapper flint]

We don't say that name here

[sullen idol]

thanks i was finding the imp entity in gzdoom

[desert yarrow]

Why do you say that

And I don't have a problem with you if you don't like it it's all a matter of opinion

[vast reef]

oh, cool, i'll check that out

[bronze pumice]

Doom 2. Thoughts?

[vast reef]

it's doom 2

[azure nimbus]

one of the first three doom games

[zenith berry]

Hell on Earth

[slim willow]

map 23 makes my mouth water

[bronze pumice]

It’s my favourite title of the classic games

[scarlet compass]

I like doom 2 better than original doom because of the addition of the super shotgun and more enemy types

[limpid zinc]

For mods doom 2 is great but imo the map design in doom 1 was much better

[vast reef]

^^^

[vivid vine]

I'm almost done with Dario's Plutonia playthrough/commentary. Man those maps aged so much better despite two thirds of them being made in about 5 days each

[scarlet compass]

Plutonia is actually a lot less painful with brutal doom because there are actual projectiles instead of hitscanners

[dapper flint]

Absolutely

[slim willow]

yeah but thats with the consequence of having to use brutal doom

[vast reef]

lmfao

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=59487
this seems good

[scarlet compass]

I don't mind it, it's a lot more fast-paced than normal doom

[safe moon]

yeah apparently sgt mark never bothered on buffing the spider demon but buffed up everyone else (the boss levels i mean)

[vast reef]

i'd rather play normal doom with some fun maps

[safe moon]

damn

[safe moon]

last msg got deleted but again, play it with project brutality, the new monster variants and abilities just destroys you (gl with your fps doe lol) at the same time they give you some op weapons but the enemies are also op, especially those skelly boys, they love to spam and fly (basically like doom 2016 revenants)

[scarlet compass]

Well, the minigun bullets explode, its a bit bigger and it crushes you if you walk too near it

[safe moon]

yeah but they forgot to like buff their health up like the other bosses

[scarlet compass]

yeah

[safe moon]

oh well, its not like its any different than normal doom cuz they are pushovers :)

[safe moon]

have ya played extermination day btw?

[scarlet compass]

Yeah

[safe moon]

cool

oh god i just remembered that one part in thy flesh consumed with perfect hatred
if you play it with project brutality and havent changed your settings, the barons on that ledge with the plasma rifle is replaced with barons with rocket launchers and flamethrowers

[scarlet compass]

I cant get doom unbroken working

nvm I got it working

[dapper flint]

Wouldn't say it's faster. Forces you to door fight. Alot of classic doom wads are far faster far more intense. It does have the illusion of speed though

[royal heron]

it usually forces you to cover on the harder difficulties, which was what I generally played on

I hated the "normal" difficulties

you'd still just plow through everything

[vast reef]

yes

this explains it perfectly

[halcyon willow]

Arch of the abyss

It's going on the age of hell idea list right now

[vivid vine]

Alien Vendetta 2 when

I don't know if that can or should be done. It was like the grand finale of vanilla mapping from the 90s even if it didnt actually come out in them

Once it was out a new era started

[safe moon]

going down doe

lol i regret playing it with demonsteele with how many monster it stuffs in one room, especially for a melee focused mod, felt like kill bill doe

[dapper flint]

I wonder if it has a functional solo net

[steel lion]

DOS doom has a completely funcional solo net

By using the DM program

[halcyon willow]

That's not what gougaru meant lol

[halcyon willow]

Alien vendetta is coop compatible so should be a candidate

[dapper flint]

Alright giving this a go tmw morning. Have the day off

[vivid vine]

I know it does have coop monsters and they are nasty

I know Dario was going to play more wads, I wonder if someone suggested AV to him yet

That would be amazing

I have no idea how far he kept up, maybe suggest BTSX and whatnot too

From the sounds of it he dropped Doom entirely for years which made it a miracle he was doing as good as he was. And then with like 5 maps left in Plutonia someone suggested he change his mouse sensitivity and he started doing better

[dapper flint]

Oh yeah I'm going to get some bloopers ready haha