classic-doom

[tacit remnant]

So I need to react to the hit rather than trying to preempt it? Okay thanks

[eternal lance]

expanded the tips a bit

[halcyon willow]

no you can definitely bait attacks

works best with revs due to how they are coded

[azure nimbus]

revs won't attack if you're close but outside of melee range. If they're in pain state, they will attack no matter the range. Rev melee doesn't convert to a missile if the punch whiffs. As such, revs and pinkies are possibly even easier to punch out than imps

[cosmic pagoda]

ah yes plutonia 2: here have a secret, it contains a soulsphere but also 2 archviles and is located in the middle of a pile of corpses lol

[tacit remnant]

Yeah that’s the kind of sadism I expect from that genre of wads

[royal heron]

[fickle heart]

Gonna try tricks and traps again i died at the very end because the bridge went down and i was too stupid to process what was happening

[tacit remnant]

I make an exception to my “no saving midlevel” rule just for that bit

[vivid vine]

Pistol start no saved that level last I touched Doom 2

[azure nimbus]

me boucing off the door :(((((

[royal heron]

elastic collisions fucking sucks :(

but sometimes, it's helpful

only sometimes though

I can't remember how many times elastic collision has activated while trying to fight on a spiral staircase then getting fucked over by projectiles

stares at Hell Revealed

[unique canyon]

I got 10:34 seconds on e1m1

[lofty arch]

i have finally played Doom in a non vanilla setting and i am floored

[royal heron]

not bad

[tacit remnant]

Floored in a good way or a bad way?

[fickle adder]

My map when you grab a chainsaw it releases an vile

Don’t worry you got cover

[royal heron]

that's uh

i mean at least you have cover

otherwise it's just bad design

[fickle adder]

i dont see a problem too much

i just make sure the chainsaw doesnt follow him and i get zapped

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom2-arachnotron-gif-23270588

[royal heron]

if you're chainsawing an archvile, which keep in mind just does fist damage except it attacks faster, it's just super tedious

it's better than hell revealed 2's no cover only ssg archvile fight though

[fickle adder]

yea

[slim willow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/734102870215098401/911807828182851604/FEp-APCXwAUrFar.png

[royal heron]

indeed

[eternal lance]

it's all imps ?

[finite crag]

always has been

[eternal lance]

doomguy: playable imp

[finite crag]

yes.

[slim willow]

Doomguy: Playable Melee Hitscan Rocket Plasma BFG Imp

[eternal lance]

[finite crag]

Doomguy: Playable Super speed melee hitscan plasma bolt rocket shooting BFG spamming parkouring imp that can't look up or down

[steep notch]

I'm stuck here, please help

It's freedoom btw

Here

[modest hull]

Anyone still waiting on they're limited run games doom trilogy collectors edition?

[steep notch]

Are images not allowed in this channel?

[eternal lance]

sadly,no

try uploading the screenshot to imgur,send the link to the pic and it should embed

[finite crag]

what do you need help with?

[fickle heart]

Just passed tricks and traps now i'm on industrial zone

[azure nimbus]

industrial zone is way after tricks and traps what?

[fickle heart]

I just didn't mention the other levels

[molten iron]

scratch.mit.edu/projects/565583443/

Doom made on scratch

Pretty impressive

[eternal lance]

you can look up and down in it

Cursed

[past field]

indeed

but its still really cool for scratch, since its a very limited web engine

[eternal lance]

the enemies don't even attack bruh

[cosmic pagoda]

ugh plutonia 2 map 17 reminds me of alien vendetta and why I quit playing it

just endless rooms

map just keeps on going forever and I keep getting lost

https://imgur.com/Fg9spBg

this is way too large

[onyx crow]

wait.... how did you put the screenshot here?

[fickle heart]

Now i'm on tenements

[cosmic pagoda]

magic

ugh this is actually the worst map ever

no consistency between what things are

one switch with red sides opens up red key

another one requires it, and of course it wont be anywhere near obvious what happens when you throw it, gotta crawl around the damn map looking for what changed

very bad level design, how it got put on the wad idk

and when you find out what the switch did

opened a door

behind it is another switch, and once again you have to figure out what it did

[royal heron]

Heartland has similar size mapz but I bet that it's probably way more fun to play

The aesthetic of Heartland is just so fucking good

[cosmic pagoda]

havent yet played it

but I bet you dont get lost there as much and where you have to go is more obvious

[cosmic pagoda]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/713825093742231632/911987122074976316/DOOM_2__Plutonia_Experiment_-_Crispy_Doom_5.10.1_2021-11-21_16-28-05.mp4

that one has a touch start lol

[finite crag]

The lost souls on Slough of Despair prove to be quite the pain

[onyx crow]

after my GTX 560 TI got destroyed because i played gmod maxed out, i replaced it with GT 430 and it looks 6x slower than mine and almost reminds me of ATI Radeon HD 3650 it was crap, i can't even play gzdoom without waiting for 20 seconds to play, man i should have never played it with gmod on a maxed out settings

[delicate elk]

Doom Lore - History of Dooms Original Story - The Doom Bible Explained - The Story You Don't Know https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt6VhXQKifw

[cosmic pagoda]

eh just use crispy

[pearl osprey]

Yeah GZDoom is cool and all but from a performance standpoint GZDoom is a nightmare

If you still want support for ZDoom mods you can use LZDoom which is a lite version of GZDoom, otherwise use Crispy doom or dsda doom for good fps

[royal heron]

It's also possible to try the Vulkan or OpenGL ES renderers, but yeah LZDoom is another good option it just won't run as many things

Or crispy and dsda

If you want a more vanilla experience

I prefer vanilla, but I can see the use of GZDoom

Or if you want a port that's a slight mix of both(Vanilla and ZDoom), go with the Eternity Engine

[eternal lance]

does anyone seriously use the doomsday engine

[dapper flint]

when it comes to gz and eternity I definitely noticed this

[royal heron]

I hope not

[dull snow]

all ports are valid

[dapper flint]

I definitely feel the same way. Just wish more had controller support so I would have more options to play whatever depending on my mood

[eternal lance]

unless we are talking about the blessed engine

[hallow herald]

Word of the wise-if you’re going for performance don’t use gzdoom

[past field]

I have a feeling that doom would be really good as an anime

[halcyon willow]

Gzdoom out performs any other port on a modern machine and they've made a lot of improvements for low end performance in 4.7. Not sure exactly what the change wad but they were doing a lot of benchmarking during the dev build

[hallow herald]

I call bullshitt

Gzdoom doesn’t run horribly but all you gotta do is open up eviternity map 27 in woof or dsda-doom to see the performance difference

[halcyon willow]

I get better performance in gzdoom on sunder than in dsda doom

It depends entirely on your rig

[molten iron]

How?

[halcyon willow]

If you have a decent gpu the more you can offload to it the better. Which is why glboom also out performs prboom

[molten iron]

On gzdoom I can only get up to 60fps, with dsda-doom I can get 600

[halcyon willow]

The only big exception to this is the reject table, which gzroom doesn't support. Any maps that make heavy use of the reject lump will run better on a boom based port

You just have the cap set at 60

Default is usually 200

[molten iron]

The cap isnt at 60

gzdoom just runs slow here

[halcyon willow]

I get more more 60 fps in gzdoom on my maps

You know, 130,000 line monstrosities

[eternal lance]

try running nuts.wad or gothic 99

[halcyon willow]

But like I said, depends a lot on your rig. Gzdoom also doesn't play well with AMD so brand of component had an impact

Gothic 99 is small fry

And things are gonna change drastically when the new gzdoom lighting engine gets folded in to the main build. Although that will only affect new maps that take advantage of the baked lighting

But it'll be a massive game changer

[slim willow]

Nuts.wad runs fine for me under GZDoom, lol.

[hallow herald]

You’re literally saying “it performs better on better computers” so does dsda-doom

[hallow herald]

^

[pearl osprey]

Not a scientific test but I just ran a huge map with both dsda-doom and GZDoom, both at 1920x1080 with texture filtering, hardware rendered and a nVidia GTX 750Ti graphics card, dsda managed 200-300fps , GZDoom 150-200fps, so I think your claim may be true.
dsda-doom gets around 600-700fps in official doom2 maps while GZDoom achieves only 200-300fps

so as the map gets more complex GZDoom's performance becomes closer to dsda-doom's but I am not sure if it ever out performs it

[halcyon willow]

I get a higher frame rate in gzdoom than prboom on sunder and my boom map for dying camels demons 3

[pearl osprey]

are you using the hardware renderer?

[halcyon willow]

Dunno this was.... 2? Years ago

[pearl osprey]

Just tested again in sunder and got the same result

Dsda-doom reaches 500fps, gz doom 200fps

I think you just had prboom configured incorrectly at the time

it's clearly superior when it comes to framerate

[dull snow]

it depends on the map, the effects, and the hardware your computer has. keep in mind that no port supports multithreading at this point, so if you have a shit GPU, you're going to have a shit time.

I'm not the person to ask on this though as I have a 3060 that will chew through literally everything lmao

[pearl osprey]

That is entirely true, however just the way GZDoom is coded makes it notably worse performing than other source ports

and of course that doesn't mean GZDoom is bad

it just not good when it comes to low end machine

oh and most importantly !!!!

it's very hard to run nuts.wad on GZDoom

[eternal lance]

especially with shit like brutal doom

[dull snow]

it's hard to run nuts.wad on most ports lol

keep in mind GZDoom also supports the most features so it's doing more heavy lifting than other ports. hopefully one day soon the performance will get better but multithreading is a huge piece of that

[pearl osprey]

not really

[pearl osprey]

Yep that's correct

[halcyon willow]

I know multiple people with the same experience. Why do you think Insane Gazebo uses Gzdoom as the primary test port for sunder?

[dapper flint]

This is interesting

[lofty arch]

floored in the best way possible

i have been aware of all these mods for most of my life now but just never bothered and continued playing vanilla doom and im just, im having a blast

[hallow herald]

Looks at dsda-doom, woof, prboom+um, eternity

[pearl osprey]

yeah literally every single engine can run it well except zdoom

[dull snow]

:V

[hallow herald]

Because a lot of people do, gzdoom is, for better and for worse, the most widely used port

[hallow herald]

Yeah

[hallow herald]

Which makes the doom purist part of my brain go fucking insane but I don’t blame people for using it

It’s compatible with most mods, including coughs dr00tal bo0m

[pearl osprey]

My brain telling me GZDoom has it's upsides and downsides, my heart on the other hand...

[hallow herald]

Yeah

Ima be frank

I don’t like gzdoom

[pearl osprey]

GZDoom is a great engine but no matter what I can't bring myself to like it

[hallow herald]

^

[lofty arch]

i cant run gzdoom on my thinkpad, i use lzdoom and prboom+

[gusty falcon]

Lz is gz

[hallow herald]

Lack of vanilla demo support really ruins all zdoom based ports for me

[lofty arch]

gz has higher requirements

[gusty falcon]

Not anymore

It has gles mode that lowers those requirements significantly

[lofty arch]

well it wouldnt install on my system without having opengl something or other

[hallow herald]

If it’s not able to emulate the original game’s behavior you’re not getting the original experience

[gusty falcon]

That's not even the point of gz doom

[hallow herald]

I’m not saying it is

I never said it was

[lofty arch]

if u want to emulate original behavior shouldnt u just use chocolate doom ?

[hallow herald]

I’m just saying that lack of vanilla demo support is depressing because apart from that it’s a good port

[hallow herald]

I do sometimes

[lofty arch]

i havent gotten it to work yet but i wanna

[hallow herald]

But mainly for getting the complete original experience I just use dsda-doom

A fork of prboom+

[lofty arch]

oooh i see

[hallow herald]

Runs flawlessly, has nice options, etc

[lofty arch]

i very much like prboom+

[hallow herald]

Yeah

[gusty falcon]

Gz doom is starting to be that nice engine that developers use to make games

Heck I've seen a 2d platformer on that engine

[hallow herald]

Boom/mbf ports are, in my opinion, usually the way to go for vanilla demo support in a modern port

Obviously stuff like eternity is an exception

Which has vanilla demo support

[lofty arch]

a 2d platformer eh ? thats wild

[hallow herald]

But isn’t directly a boom port

It’s a descendent of smmu

Which is a descendant of mbf

[pearl osprey]

"GZDoom is a good game engine, other source-ports are good doom engines" -some guy

[lofty arch]

how dizzying

[hallow herald]

Yes

[pearl osprey]

the quote isn't word for word but it was pretty much the idea

[gusty falcon]

Yeah it's on itch io let me find the title

[lofty arch]

yeeyee

anyone hav some cool total conversions to recommend ? im just getting into playing mods and it feels like being an excited kid again. ive played some Rekkr but i want more

[hallow herald]

Doom 4 vanilla with back to Saturn x results in a pretty fun experience

[halcyon willow]

Struggle by Antares makes wild use of dehacked. Lots of fun

[dapper flint]

Just use whatever source port makes you happy. Life's simple like that

[lofty arch]

i hav no idea what exactly dehacked does but ive heard of it !

thx for the suggestions y'all

[halcyon willow]

It's the modding language for boom and vanilla doom wads (as opposed to decorate which is for zdoom based stuff).

[royal heron]

Ah, your computer doesn't support OpenGL 3.3 or higher that's why

GZDoom requires that

LZDoom is for lower end or older computers who can't support the newer builds of OpenGL

And oh boy the sourceport talk again

GZDoom is a good sourceport, sacrifices vanilla compatibility(Although not Graf's fault) for extreme modding capabilities

If you don't like GZDoom, fine

Use any other port, no need to really mald about it

[dapper flint]

Controller support with viable solo net

[royal heron]

GZDoom's not perfect, but again nothing is perfect

Each sourceport has it's own use

Except the Doomsday Engine, unless you really want those shitty 3D textures

But then again it's still made obsolete by 3D mods that GZDoom can load

[halcyon willow]

JDOOM is clearly the superior source port

[royal heron]

Nah, we just gotta evolve backwards and start using MS-DOS again

[halcyon willow]

True doomers use doom.exe and play at 320x200

[royal heron]

I remember trying to emulate those settings in DSDA-Doom with exact 1993 keybinds then trying to play a decently hard wad with it

It did not go well lol

I take autorun for granted

[dapper flint]

Never understood the point of dictating your own doom preferences as the one true truth. Always found it moronic

[lofty arch]

yepperooni thats y i picked up LZ hehe

my laptop is paaiinfully old

and i am broke as a joke lmao

[lofty arch]

anyone available to help me figure out why i cant setup chocolate doom ? the window just launches white and i have no idea why.

i cant seem to find anything online that deals with this specific problem, including on chocolate doom's official page faq

[outer pawn]

i just bought doom 2 and i want to mod it

[dapper flint]

Try unplugging it and plugging it back in

[lofty arch]

is this trolling..?

[past field]

run the game with nuts.wad and brutal doom on GZDoom

[slim willow]

masochism

[wise inlet]

You're gonna need GZdoom and doom builder for that

But maybe play for more than 6 minutes before attempting that

I dont think playing entryway is gonna give you any good mapping experience

[slim willow]

the guy just wants to download and play mods

[wise inlet]

Oh right I misunderstood

Still

[slim willow]

yeah, lol

[onyx crow]

my discussion is longer as my "why i hate source ports" discussion i made on doomworld.

[eternal lance]

gzdoom isn't the only port that supports mods

[eternal lance]

that doomworld thread radiates of ultimate purism and possibly bait

just from the title alone

[outer pawn]

Yes

[versed wren]

I still remember some DOS commands, so you've motivated me to use DOSBox and installing shareware Doom.

[versed wren]

I thought that there was no mouse look at all and that the mouse only helped for firing, I was wrong, it's just kind of slow

So my first time playing, I just configured the mouse and the button layout on the setup

[fickle heart]

Just passed the Map 20 "gotcha" now i'm on map 21 nirvana

[uneven saffron]

Master levels for doom 2??

[lofty arch]

so...are we supposed to keep the discussion to vanilla doom or...? i keep picking up whiffs of salt at the mention of source ports and mods

[fickle heart]

Nope just normal levels you can progress through

[lofty arch]

i was only looking for help yesterday and im unimpressed with the vibe that followed

[uneven saffron]

Ok.

[halcyon willow]

Anything classic doom related. And anyone who demands you play a certain way is to be ignored 🙂

[finite crag]

^

[royal heron]

sourceports are fine here

mods can be discussed in here but if it turns into a full-blown conversation it's generally recommended to move it to #classic-doom-maps-mods

[azure nimbus]

Finished map15 of Ancient Aliens. It's so good so far. really what it was hyped up for for sure

[gentle compass]

I prefer my classic doom sub 10fps can you assist

[halcyon willow]

I have just the thing
whips out the bastion of chaos

[upbeat token]

ultimate doom or doom II?

[azure nimbus]

boom

[upbeat token]

cool

[lethal moat]

im making a map, anyone wanna try it when its ready?

[azure nimbus]

what port?

[safe moon]

do u ever just instantly use a bfg on a pain elemental everytime?

[finite crag]

One of the Eviternity maps has a par time of an hour and a half. That's fucky.

[royal heron]

no, I usually run up to them and ssg or use rockets if they're far enough away to not spit lost souls

[halcyon willow]

I pretty much auto switch to the RL when I see pain elementals

[safe moon]

yeah i could do that but i just hate em with such passion that i just want them to suffer the mighty wrath of the bfg

very nice to know that you can atleast like stop the pain elemental from spitting out lost souls if you hug em at point blank (i mean they still spawn but i think they get telefragged the moment they come out, i woulda theorized entity cramming but i dont think doom has that)

[proper dock]

Does anyone here still play the doom Xbox arcade version thing on the 360v

[plucky wyvern]

Can someone help me with this

i tried playing the dos version for fun but the screen became red for some reason

[strong notch]

hello

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-private-from-penguins-of-madagascar-hi-wave-hey-there-gif-16043627

[eternal lance]

hello

[round patio]

Hi there 👋

[molten iron]

List of things that we might see in dsda-doom in the future
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727127304555331585/912636062411653130/Screenshot_2021-11-23_at_09.29.47.jpg

[eternal lance]

interesting

[idle ruin]

So rats can run Doom now.

[zenith berry]

So does that mean DSDA-Doom will be able to run ZDoom mods in the future, suggesting from its added support for mapinfo, decorate, udmf and acs?

[molten iron]

It wont be able to run mods like brootal dewm I think, but some mods might be supported

It will also support doom-in-hexen maps, but, for example, ramps wont be supported

[zenith berry]

Ramps are UDMF things I believe, and DSDA-Doom will add support for the format.

[lethal moat]

prboom plus

[pearl osprey]

Any idea what picture-in-picture is? It sounds really interesting

Would it allow split screen play? Or is that a completely different thing

[molten iron]

Watching a coop demo with the perspective of 2+ players

Maybe even while playing the game, not only on demos

[molten iron]

I dont think thats planned

[royal heron]

Those are some pretty cool changes

Also, did kraf implement -pistol_start just for you? :p

[azure nimbus]

if it's not to secret heavy and not sunlust level, yeah I'd give it a look

[past field]

I dont care what'll be added, I just want chex quest and freedoom support and nothing else

[onyx crow]

i feel like i want to investigate from what happend to those images on the 7869.wad

[past field]

whats 7869.wad?

[onyx crow]

a creepypasta wad which was deleted on the creepypasta site

it contains actual image of a dead body

[past field]

ah

I see the reason it was deleted

[past field]

oh and multiplayer support

[regal pilot]

oh yeah baby

[royal heron]

pretty sure both are already supported

freedoom runs perfectly fine

and chex quest... lemme grab it rq

seems like DSDA-Doom doesn't support Chex Quest

but it still supports freedoom

[weary spade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF3O3dm9ygg

Schism project sorcerer class gameplay trailer

[regal pilot]

epic

[weary spade]

That's what we do

[lethal moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/424540503489642506/912708885406683156/muhos.wad
My first map ever, i suggest playing with prboom+ and playing on HMP or UV

[azure nimbus]

I liked the start. Those arches were pretty cruel since the cover in the corners was paper thin. though taking advantage of the mechanic where being too far prevents them from attacking was interesting. I don't think a whole level can really play like that but it's short so cool to see weird mechanics. the second section with ss and mancs. ok intermission. lil cover shootery ig but no real complaints.

if you open up the exit door, it can't be opened again. I got softlocked and had to idclip through the door. I tested it on Eternity Engine with everything default except I keep infinite height monsters on

[royal heron]

the level's good so far

[azure nimbus]

oh Ig it's a nitpick that would matter more for larger levels, but the exit door's "exit" ring makes it look like a red door from afar. on a simple level like this, it's clear, but that could be confusing for a more complex map

[royal heron]

oh that's an exit ring?

looked like a red door lol

[lethal moat]

yeah i just noticed that too and i forgot to mark the exit switch but since the door is marked i think its ok lol

[lethal moat]

thanks for the comments😁 i think when i make my second level, i wont make it so symmetrical, the symmetry gets a bit boring i noticed, anyway thanks for playing :)

[royal heron]

hm

what compat level is this?

Boom?

[lethal moat]

yeah

[royal heron]

ah

broken on CL2 that's why

[molten iron]

Many people asked him to add it

[molten iron]

It already supports chex and freedoom

[azure nimbus]

do you have sector 0s?

cuz none of this "should" need boom. So I would guess that sector 0s break the map on vanilla comp levels

[royal heron]

the switches were broken

[unique canyon]

I know it sounds like a stupid question but how do you record demos

Also I’m using Xbox app for pc if that makes a difference

[prime lava]

can't record demos on that

need to use a sourceport

[lethal moat]

how to i record demos from pwads

[mighty stone]

I think you just launch DOOM with the -record and -file parameters

[lethal moat]

oh it worked thanks a lot

[mighty stone]

No problem lol

[finite crag]

Anyone have any thoughts on the Community Chest wads?

[tacit remnant]

Are crouching, jumping, and/or freelook needed for Eviternity?

[halcyon willow]

Nope, it's a boom (mbf) wad

[spark stratus]

Delta touch for Android needs to incorporate edge and 3dge and doomsday

[pearl osprey]

Maybe they should first focus on not making illegal software by taking open source code and selling them without even publishing the source code

[spark stratus]

True but I want to play ebdoom on my phone

Without pc emulator

[pearl osprey]

I don't think they will tbh, doomsday is a bit hard to run especially on a phone, not sure about 3dge though

[royal heron]

Doomsday kinda useless tho

There's 3d mods that GZDoom can easily run

And Delta touch needs to be free

Taking open source code and selling it is not allowed

[pearl osprey]

Legally, you are allowed to sell copies of open source software, it's a dick move but it's not illegal, however, if you make changes or use GPL code in your project and don't make it public (exactly what delta touch is doing) then it's 100% illegal

[spark stratus]

Yeah

But if you wanted to cover the whole spectrum of all things doom

Plus doomsday specific mods probably nicher than edge

[pearl osprey]

I don't have any opinion on doomsday tbh, it just kinda exists?

[spark stratus]

Small

An engine at least

[molten iron]

Depends on the license of the open source code. Some licenses dont even allow changes for free projects

[pearl osprey]

True, in the case of Doom, it is using the GPLv3, which means all other source ports have to use GPLv3 as well and pretty much all of them do use it

[halcyon willow]

I think none of us have the legal nous to know what is strictly illegal in these cases. I think the fact that delta hadn't been sued into oblivion implies that they are operating on the right side of ip law though

[spark stratus]

True

[pearl osprey]

    You are allowed to sell copies of the modified program commercially, but only under the terms of the GNU GPL. Thus, for instance, you must make the source code available to the users of the program as described in the GPL, and they must be allowed to redistribute and modify it as described in the GPL.```

source: www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#GPLAndPlugins

yep, definitely what delta touch is doing is illegal

not to mention just it's just scummy

The reason why they don't get sued is because source port developers just don't have the resources to do so, the only one who can realistically do that is bethesda/ID, however they have no incentive to do so

[spark stratus]

Especially with Google backing

[halcyon willow]

Source port devs didn't assign the original license

So it has nothing to do with them

[pearl osprey]

probably

still illegal and unethical though

[finite crag]

I heard about sigil 2
Is that true?

[molten iron]

yep

Did you watch Frozen Particle's video?

[pearl osprey]

Sigil 2 hell yeah

[dusky heron]

sigil 2? I have yet to play the first one. My word. Sigil 2 will be awesome

[pearl osprey]

I was pretty late for sigil so I didn't play it but I guess now I have a reason to play both sigil 1 and 2

[queen depot]

excited 👀

[zenith portal]

anyone still not beat og doom 2 yet? i can’t find the yellow key in map 10 😆

[grim pollen]

It's well hidden keep searching 🙂

[azure nimbus]

key location: ||left side by all the hitscan||

[queen depot]

oooooh boy, refueling base

[finite crag]

Has anyone played the Sega Saturn port?

[hallow herald]

No

[slim willow]

Oh god

If you need a taste of id on Saturn, play Lobotomy's Quake port

[finite crag]

Ok

It's funny how the GBA port box art says "only for game boy advance"

[slim willow]

[thick stream]

I couldnt "idkfa" in doom 2

or

idbeholds

[worldly echo]

so, ive browsed GZdoom files for a bit, and found zmusic.dll, but whenever i try running it from my desktop, it says the file is not found

[dapper flint]

Can I borrow your gzdoom some time?

I'm good for it

I promise

[worldly echo]

yeah but my version is clinically insane

[slim willow]

Censorship makes it exclusive

[strong notch]

DOOM is legendary and best game

[past field]

new way to break your PC!

use with GZDoom:

-nuts
-project brutality
-100x
-motion blur

this time, there wont be any going back!

[finite crag]

no newer way to break your pc run the cih virus while doing all of that

there would be absolutely no going back as cih would yeet the bios lol

[past field]

no viruses allowed though

only doom source ports and mods

cuz viruses would make it less fun

[eternal lance]

how to turn your pc into an IED

a quick tutorial

[dusky venture]

next thing you know, DOOM is banned in the United States for being a component in improvised explosives.

Eh, we'll find a replacement. Why not Hexen with like... 50,000 Iron Liches or something

[past field]

Nuts.wad ported to hexen

[royal heron]

in fact, there is a heretic version of nuts.wad

[zenith berry]

Oh, and use the HD textures mod for the best experience.

[runic obsidian]

nuts wad but its doom eternal

[cosmic pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzhBkRU0liU

megapoggers

been waiting for this for a while

[halcyon willow]

He's my next podcast guest. Super hype

[cosmic pagoda]

nice

[wild canyon]

hey so right now im in episode 2 of OG doom, I have the first 4 episodes, after that, does the game go right into doom 2 or are there expansions I should play

trying to play all the official doom games in order

[azure nimbus]

first 3 episodes of doom1, then doom2, then episode 4 of doom1

[hallow herald]

Sigil

It’s not technically canon

[wild canyon]

why is episode 4 after doom 2?

[azure nimbus]

It was released as free dlc in 1995 after doom2 in 1994. It also marked the first time doom1 was sold in stores as Ultimate Doom

If you played e4 before doom2, no one would fault you but I do find e4 to be more difficult than doom2 anyway

[wild canyon]

what about final doom

[azure nimbus]

final doom was not made by ID. It is a set of IWADS made by Team TNT and the Casali brothers for doom2. TNT is the easier of the pair but much lower quality. Idk if I"d really consider it another doom game but I would implore you to play plutonia. If someone told me that they're running some super special 100 % all doom game speedruns, I would think they're doing: doom1,doom2, doom64, doom3, doom(2016), doom eternal and wouldn't expect them to play Final Doom. Though plutonia is great

[royal heron]

final doom is way harder than doom 2

TNT Evilution is kind of a slog to play through

Plutonia imo is way better but also harder

[halcyon willow]

plutonia is widely held as the best of the iwads

[wild canyon]

I will probably play plutonia then

[royal heron]

it's recommended to play on HMP for your first time unless you're pretty good at the game

[wild canyon]

okay, Im now halfway into episode 3 of doom 1 on UV and only 2 deaths so far, I will see how I fair in Sigil and Doom 2 I guess

ive heard the Doom 3 BFG editons of doom 1 and 2 are sub par, but thats what Im playing them on (going for all the achievements anyways)

[halcyon willow]

there's just some asset changes. nothing major

if you can get through sigil then plutonia shouldn't be too much of a jump

[finite crag]

I heard that Final Doom isn't worth playing. Is it any good or nah?

[halcyon willow]

It's definitely worth playing

[tacit remnant]

I’m afraid of Final Doom tbh

[halcyon willow]

Plutonia is the better half but I'd argue even TNT is worth one play through

[tacit remnant]

I intend to come back to it when I’m significantly better at Doom

[halcyon willow]

It'd harder but not that hard. 13 year old me beat it

[tacit remnant]

I struggled through Doom 2. I was working through a UV Doom 2 playthrough before eventually deciding that I’d rather start playing JPCP and Eviternity on HMP instead

[halcyon willow]

JPCP and Eviternity are definitely harder than Plutonia

[gentle compass]

Feel free to play it on the lower difficulties to get used to the maps and then amp it up!

[eternal lance]

bfg edition iwads have:
-wolfenstein levels broken to hell (no ss enemies,dull,non-varied walls [A CHANGE MADE DIRECTLY INTO THE IWAD ITSELF,GOD])
-a broken hidden level that allows you to play map02 forever
-bfg edition itself is overpriced

seriously,why did bethesda mess with the iwads and remove the wolfenstein enemies entirely FROM THE IWAD ITSELF

[slim willow]

nazis

[cosmic pagoda]

might be worth once

but its boring

[eternal lance]

bethesda literally owns wolfenstein

[onyx crow]

is it illegal if you actually made a doom iwad that look more to the original?

[eternal lance]

i don't think i understand

why would you even modify the doom iwad

[onyx crow]

no not modify, i was actually thinking if it's illegal to make doom iwad where you use the stock photos of the game and make it look like original.

[eternal lance]

it is probably illegal because well,you don't own those photos

[cosmic pagoda]

played through episodes 1-3 the other day, damn they felt easy switching over from my plutonia 2 playthrough

[eternal lance]

also,why would you even want to make an iwad like that

just make a .pk3 that replaces the textures with stock photos and bam,same result

[onyx crow]

i'm very busy

[past field]

or just make a PWAD

[dull snow]

To put it in perspective, you can't upload anything that contains doom or doom 2 iwad assets included

[eternal lance]

try telling that to the people who made marine doom

[onyx crow]

lol nice joke to that wad again

[royal heron]

Who said that? It's definitely worth playing

[finite crag]

Oh right ok. I'll give it a go then

[past field]

plus, you can get final doom for free if you have the doom 2 unity port, just go to addons and download them there.

[onyx crow]

The official being fucking big on it's size, i literally don't want to play the unity port.

[dull snow]

so.... buy final doom on steam and you can use whatever port you want, gg ez

[tacit remnant]

Buying Doom 2 on Steam gives you Final Doom for free

And the Master Levels in case you want them for some reason

[opal blade]

tbh I enjoyed the first master level, but that's it

[eternal lance]

nope

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2290/Final_DOOM/

Steam

Final DOOM

Two New, 32-Level DOOM II Episodes. Evilution: Far from earth, the UAC recommenced their experiments on on of the moons of Jupiter. A spaceship, mistaken for a supply vexxel on radar, hovered above the base. Hideous demons poured out, blanketing the base with death. All your comrades were quickly slaughtered or zombified. This time, it's...

Price

$1.99

Recommendations

938

[tacit remnant]

If you go on the Steam release of Doom 2 in the Addons menu, both halves of Final Doom are there

[pearl osprey]

I got a bunch of other free iwads when I bought doom 1 and doom 2 but I forgot which ones

[tacit remnant]

All the addons in that menu are free of charge

You can also buy it directly on Steam but IDK why you would when the Steam version of Doom 2 lets you access them for free

[halcyon willow]

Pretty sure only the ultimate doom pack gives you all the iwads

Which is more than doom 2 individually

[tacit remnant]

Maybe. I know one of them does

[past field]

GUYS

Im now at map30 in doom 2 on UV!!!

[slim willow]

[past field]

wish me luck, cuz, uhhh, I'll need it a lot

[slim willow]

kick the icon's ass

[past field]

BOOM, first try, baby! if you count using dsda-doom's rewind feature

[slim willow]

i forgot dsda had rewind

[pearl osprey]

Dsda has what now?

Rewind that sound fricking epic like just go back in time?

[finite crag]

Are the master levels any good or nah?

[azure nimbus]

some are tolerable. most not worth

[finite crag]

I see. Thanks for letting me know

Are any of the extra stuff like Final DOOM, Master Levels, etc canon or nah?

[slim willow]

maybe? i have no idea. it all works fine without them fitting in there, but it works with them too. if you want to count them, go ahead. lol

[finite crag]

I see

I've heard someone say they are, also heard someone say they aren't. So I'm not sure since I don't know the 100% canon. I've only played most of DOOM 1 so far

[pearl osprey]

I don't think there is an agreed on answer

[finite crag]

Fair enough

[azure nimbus]

whether they're canon, which....who knows... matters less than whether they have a dignified place in doom history and they really do. At least for tnt and plutonia

[finite crag]

I'd like to think they are so it gives me a reason to play them but I wouldn't know. I might as well play 'em anyway.

[slim willow]

[finite crag]

Me when BFG

[royal heron]

Yeh you just go back in time

If you fucked up a save, rewind and then save properly

It's crazy useful stuff

And you can make TAS demos with it

[finite crag]

Nice

[tacit remnant]

So I was brainstorming about what a demon named the spook would look and act like, and my brain cooked up the idea of an invisible Archvile

I imagined this cursed thing so I must share it

[azure nimbus]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/MAP32:_Ghosts_of_the_Old_Kingdom_(Valiant)

[tacit remnant]

Good to know that there is someone much more sadistic than my imagination

[hallow herald]

Final doom is canon, the master levels might not be

[finite crag]

I see, thanks for letting me know

[gray galleon]

[low falcon]

Why the fuck is tricks and traps so fucking hard

[azure nimbus]

well those are the tricks or maybe the traps

[low falcon]

It’s pissing me off, cause that cyber demon on level 8 kills all my ammo and I can’t do anything about it

I’ve re-ran it four times now

And once I got past I got stuck in a fucking poison pit and had to restart the level

[finite crag]

Just finished Episode 3 of The Ultimate DOOM. I'm not sure what I play next in terms of chronological order. Do I play one of the add-ons or do I go straight to Hell On Earth?

[azure nimbus]

get the barons to kill it

[low falcon]

That’s possible?

[finite crag]

I heard that episode 4 is set after Hell On Earth? That's what I heard though so idk if that's right or not

[azure nimbus]

monsters can hurt each other.

[low falcon]

Okay so just get the cyberdemon to shoot a rocket at the Barron’s

[azure nimbus]

basically

[low falcon]

Alright I’ll try that

[azure nimbus]

there are some eccentricities about monster infighting. I encourage you to watch decino's video about that. but basically, if you don't shoot at them or wait after they take several steps after you hit them: if they get hit, they'll target whoever attacked them

[low falcon]

Alright sick

Thanks

[tacit remnant]

Episode 4 of Ultimate Doom is basically a prologue for Doom 2

The only special note is that it has a very maliciously placed Cyberdemon in one level

[royal heron]

um

you're supposed to let it infight LMAO

why do you think all those barons are there?

if your way doesn't work, try something else

[dusky venture]

I cast fist.

[royal heron]

just fist it to death, easy

[cosmic pagoda]

better not try plutonia 🙂

[dusky venture]

tricks and traps, ah yes

my favorite map >_>

[azure nimbus]

plutonia doesn't have anything like tricks and traps imo. Plutonia is generally more straightforward

comon, if you don't know what's what, you can easily get smacked by pain elements. If you know your way around, yeah it's easy.

that's true for almost any map in vanilla

[low falcon]

It was my first run on doom II

[royal heron]

you know what inifghting is?

[dusky venture]

Do you have time to talk about our lord and savior Infighting?

[royal heron]

true true

archviles having no target threshold is a godsend

[dusky venture]

\o/

the amount of times I've been saved by that one imp who lobs a fireball at the wrong time

[royal heron]

im gonna do one of the stupidest runs ever and do monster condo

[dusky venture]

why monster condo

[royal heron]

it's stupidly rng based

[dusky venture]

it's stupid, period

[azure nimbus]

I still don't know how the monster condo teleporters and switches work in the rooms with all the mancs and its mirror. I just push stuff

[royal heron]

you gotta hope the archvile opens the door fast

[dusky venture]

thanks barney

[royal heron]

sedlo's run of 11 seconds is fucking insane

[dusky venture]

also hope he doesn't walk into the teleporter

[royal heron]

the archvile literally runs straight for the door instead of at him

thus opening the door right away

that kind of rng is outrageous

[dusky venture]

with that kind of luck, you could uv-pacifist map 30 lmao

[royal heron]

nah, that'd take way more luck than humanly possible

[dusky venture]

ah yes, then we will build a bot to do it for us

[gusty falcon]

That is what a tas is right?

[royal heron]

better have all the planets and moons lined up together and have a solar eclipse happening, carmack and romero rejoin id, the dark lord fight not being kinda shitty, and getting 6 seconds on hangar

[dusky venture]

Yeah, just remembered a TAS was done for that

[royal heron]

it'd take that kind of luck to do map30 pacifist

which is essentially, never

[dusky venture]

don't forget that romero needs to stop painting his nails as well

[royal heron]

also include the time when doom moderators will allow illicit doom wad packages to be shared

which again, never

[dusky venture]

yeah, that's never happenin'

[royal heron]

doom2 map30 pacifist will never be possible

pleymo did plutonia map30 pacifist at least

[dusky venture]

actual, or TAS

[royal heron]

actual

[dusky venture]

damn

[royal heron]

he used a pain elemental to get the cyberdemon turret to fire rockets at the icon's brain opening

[dusky venture]

oh right

the fucking cyberdemon

you know what, I gotta screw with the code and allow cyberdemons to get spawned by the cubes

[royal heron]

👀

[dusky venture]

yep, found the offending lines already
this is going to be fun

[tacit remnant]

You what

[topaz apex]

Is thti

Anyone wanna play DOOM 2?

[vast hare]

Any here played Scythe 2 before?

Just cleared Gaia's Temple and this is starting to give Sunlust a run for its money

[halcyon willow]

scythe 2 gets pretty spicy but i wouldn't say it reaches the level of difficulty that sunlust does

[dapper flint]

Fast Archie's completely lose their balls it's insane

[cyan plover]

Yup

[eternal lance]

Thy Flesh consumed (episode 4)

[dusky heron]

Time for a check in. Any new mega wad suggestions?

[halcyon willow]

1K lines 3

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125479-1000-lines-3-community-project-rc-2-is-released/

[finite crag]

I licke doom

[vast hare]

I'd say the only truly harder megawads I know of are Sunder, Frog and Toad, anf as a single level compared to the average difficulty of Sunlust, Mucus Flow.

[somber crystal]

i alzo licke doom
good game

[past field]

I to also licke doom

[eternal lance]

we all lick doom

[midnight crystal]

why can zombies one shot barrels?????

I'm so sick of having some insane nightmare run just to have a zombie snipe a barrel and take out like a 3rd of my health

seriously how the fuck do those zombies on e1m2 keep sniping that fucking barrel every time i run past it

[azure nimbus]

zombiemen deal between 3 and 15 damage. barrels have 20 health.

[midnight crystal]

well explain to me how the fuck the barrel has been one shot on multiple occasions

the game does literally everything in its power to stop me from having any fun

e1m3 is literally 90% rng for me on nightmare

also fuck the ending of e1m2

[azure nimbus]

nightmare F

are you doing 100s

[molten iron]

e1m3 is the hardest level to beat on nightmare on e1

so good luck

[past field]

I beat e1m3 on nm once

It was a pain in the ass to do, and it took a lot of rewinds to finally beat it

yes I use the rewind feature in dada-doom on normal runs, shut up

[royal heron]

yeah I'm trying to do a E1M3 NM100S demo that I owe aconfusedhuman for(I really should be doing that rn...)

i can confirm that it has a lot of RNG and is grindy as fuck

[royal heron]

because zombiemen attack twice as fast?

and also because another zombieman may have hit that barrel first

so the next shot could've blown it uo

making it look like a 1 shot

E1 on Nightmare! is just cancer in general

lots of hitscan and tight corridors

[halcyon willow]

gonna have to hard disagree lol. scythe 2 is around the same difficulty as valiant, AA, eviternity for me. maybe i'm just used to Mr X

[vast hare]

Oh I was talking about harder than sunlust, not scythe. Scythe 2's last third is extremely difficult, and maps 26+27 will give anybody big trouble unless you know exactly what to do and even then it's still very easy to die. If it weren't for that latter section I'd say AA is similar in difficulty but AA doesn't really have anything like Afterlife II

[onyx crow]

just watching Just For Laughs Gags then i got startled because i heard the DSPOSIT1 sound

[halcyon willow]

yeah sunlust is pretty spicy

ribbiks' later works gets much harder though

stardate 20x7, SWTW, Magnolia

[vast hare]

I heard about stardate, not looking forward to that

[slim willow]

Definitely got to do Stardate. Doing some Eviternity as a breather wad before I go back to pushing myself.

[royal heron]

According to that doomworld thread Stardate 20x6 is supposed to be harder than Sunlust

[vast hare]

How would you say it compares to sunder's later maps?

[halcyon willow]

probably similar difficulty but it's a different kind of difficult. very specific strats required for ribbiks' stuff. sunder is more about the macro slaughter

[azure nimbus]

Doing the enjoyable skillsaw stuff before having to submit myself to ribikks

[halcyon willow]

crumpets is good entry level ribbiks

[vast hare]

Skillsaw is pretty goated

[azure nimbus]

I noticed that he barely used barons in vanguard and ancient aliens(finished vanguard and am up to map21ish of AA). I checked the wiki for valiant and there aren't even barons in that wad

[royal heron]

agreed

Scythe-style mini maps but with toned down sunlust difficulty

A good entry and fun to play overall

[royal heron]

Barons are boring and most of the time people prefer hell knights to them

Too tanky with their 1000 hp

looks at Hell Revealed, which has a whopping 592 baron count

[azure nimbus]

looks at doom1

[royal heron]

👀

stares at E4

[azure nimbus]

Perfect Hatred lol

[vast hare]

Valiant has cybruisers which are similar

They have less hp than a baron but are immune to rocket blast damage like cyberdemons

[azure nimbus]

they shoot rockets

[vast hare]

Ye, they are tough

[azure nimbus]

what's the newest version of GZ doom? I want it for pirate doom

[pearl osprey]

GZDoom v4.7.1

You can go to the ZDoom website then to the downloads section to check the latest version

[azure nimbus]

got it. I already have ZDL so it took only a minute to set up. thanks

[mellow matrix]

At least perfect hatred gives you (almost?) a backpack full of cells. Most of the time in Hell Revealed you're stuck SSGing them.

[royal heron]

Yeah

Or shotgunning them

Hell revealed was an important megawad but god is it horrible to play through

[molten iron]

I like it

[fast mortar]

Barons are a pain yes, encountered a lot on my UV TNT playthrough and one time i only had shotgun ammo for three barons, true hell

[finite crag]

Best music mods for Final Doom?

[vivid vine]

Plutmidi.

TNT already has new music.

[azure nimbus]

Try Darch's "Preacher" and "Pirate Doom." Preacher is a set of small open world maps of reasonably challenging difficulty with random spawn locations with medieval religiousy weapon skins and voice acting.

PIrate doom is a full mod with pirates

[royal heron]

It was only up until now when I realised that PTSD could also stand for "post traumatic Stardate disorder"

[dapper flint]

Stardate is yum

[tranquil ocean]

hii

[tulip garnet]

I may prefer modern doom games, but I can respect Classic doom for what it did and it’s fun gameplay

And also the iconic noises, music, and visuals

Ain’t too big of a fan when it comes to secret hunting, but I mean that has more to do with me being kinda impatient sometimes

[azure nimbus]

if you hate it, doomwiki can usually help. Still, it can be nice to look for secrets sometimes for easier wads

[tacit remnant]

I like secret hunting when the secrets have some signposting

[prime lava]

i hate secret hunting 🙂

I've been playing Fractured Worlds and to be completely honest I TNTKEY'd the secret key in map04 after searching for 10 minutes :p

[eternal lance]

https://youtu.be/ttr7NxSQ5VE new vid dropped

[azure nimbus]

what does that do? I typed it and my game same "red yellow blue"

[sour merlin]

any doom megawads you guys recommend?

[azure nimbus]

Ancient Aliens, Going Down are top two so far

[prime lava]

Press R, Y or B depending on what key you want, and it will give a prompt for "card or skull" and then press C or S depending on what you want

and it'll give that key

[azure nimbus]

eternity has a special IDK cheat for all keys. It still has the usual IDKFA (IDKFA and IDFA give a backpack too)

[prime lava]

Oh, it'll just give all keys with nothing else?

that's neat

[dusky venture]

It can also stand for Post Traumatic Sunlust Disorder
cries in god machine

[azure nimbus]

I suppose the eternity guys understand IDKFA as Keys + Full Ammo

[vast hare]

scythe 2, speed of doom, valiant are my recommendations

would have said ancient aliens but someone already said that

[gusty falcon]

I can only recommend ancient aliens if you're ready to get beat down alot because Damn is it hard

[tacit remnant]

Not here

[azure nimbus]

AA is only moderately harder than plutonia imo. Its perceived difficulty is likely higher than it actually is because of how wide an audience it found.

[opal blade]

Couldn't have said better.

[slim willow]

Maelstrom

[dapper flint]

Classic doom gameplay has far more mechanics and combinations of enemy placement map design replayability and skill than modern doom. Classics combat loop is also dependent on the map creator where the combat loop of modern depends basically on just enemy combinations. That being said I love all doom equally

[dusky venture]

classic doom also allows for interesting map premises, whereas modern doom is "kill them all"

that being said, I still love all doom equally

[fickle adder]

Gonna be honest gd is kinda weird overrated

cool gimmick of it though

It’s unique

[halcyon willow]

Going Down is one of the most highly regarded wads ever made, and rightly so

[slim willow]

I love how the soundtrack is just evil elevator music.

[halcyon willow]

Cyriak is a legendary composer

Still making music too

[prime lava]

I've been enjoying Fractured Worlds a lot, started playing it some days ago

But it's not a megawad :^)

Theres about 8 maps including 31-32

[dapper flint]

And confused ran through all of them

[prime lava]

nah I've been killing everything, not bothered with secrets too much though :p

[slim willow]

[dapper flint]

Its over... 9000!!

[slim willow]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-dragon-ball-z-unlimited-power-over9000-power-level-gif-12316102

[dapper flint]

[gentle compass]

New numbers came in, looks like it is in fact, under 9000

[slim willow]

NOOOO

[versed wren]

Doesn't that include the RPGs?

[dapper flint]

Sure. I have a literal doom room

[slim willow]

You still haven't played Eternal. The amount of mechanics in that game

[opal blade]

Walking, dashing, and mouselook.

[azure nimbus]

of course map layout factors in, what?

[dapper flint]

Classic dooms map structures complexity and nuances are a huge priority and are just far superior if you think otherwise you're delusional

[gusty falcon]

Walking dashing mouse look, grenade management ammo management mod swapping quick swapping weak points

I think i like classics style abit better not that I'm able to directly play eternal anyway

Classic Dooms map layout controls just about everything else

[dapper flint]

Classic doom will be around for a very very long time. It'll still be going strong when people have moved on to the next new doom game and left the others completely behind

That speaks for itself

[gusty falcon]

Yep that's what we call timeless 😁

[dapper flint]

And again this is someone who loves doom. But I've seen the hate and lose of interest in doom 2016 ( even though I love that fucking game to death) to know better

[finite crag]

Doom is eternal, it will be around forever <:)

[tacit remnant]

I see 2016 as a prototype of sorts for Eternal. I think a level editor for Eternal would give it a lot of potential longevity and we’d probably see some cool levels with more complexity than the official levels, not to mention the unique level ideas that would probably arise

2016 isn’t a bad game, but it had some stuff that didn’t work too well which Eternal fixed (mostly)

[gusty falcon]

Problem is I don't see how they can really evolve what eternal did for the next game

Because the mechanics have been taken to their limit

[tacit remnant]

They’ve mentioned that they plan on just doing something completely different for the next Doom

[dapper flint]

Ahhh I see what you're saying

Yeah nailed it

[tacit remnant]

Something about “Eternal is a racecar; the next game will be a monster truck”

[dapper flint]

I definitely see that

[tacit remnant]

As cool as Eternal’s levels are, they don’t do much in the way of really crazy level concepts. I think there’s definitely room for that in the system, but they couldn’t do enough different levels to have anything all that experimental in that regard

[pearl osprey]

Sadly the link doesn't work, you can upload the map to #classic-doom-maps-mods though

[lethal moat]

oh shoot

[pearl osprey]

if you want to also post it in this channel you can post a message the modding channel then paste it's link here

[lethal moat]

#classic-doom-maps-mods message

it works now :)

[royal heron]

2016 was doom, eternal was doom 2, so you're saying we're doing doom 2 in doom 2?

👀

[tacit remnant]

Like think about stuff like slaughter maps, alternate dimension maps, Hunted, etc.
Doom 2’d system allowed for stuff like that, but Id never did them. Modders came up with that stuff. I expect that Eternal with a level editor would have similarly imaginative stuff

[royal heron]

Snapmap 2.0 when 👀

[pearl osprey]

I fell in love with doom eternal but lost interest in it after a few months unlike classic doom and the main reason is how much mapping and modding tools we have in og doom

[tacit remnant]

I love both games but I think Eternal is greatly held back by the lack of mapping tools and large influx of community made content

[azure nimbus]

you said that that modern doom's design barely factors in the structure. this is obviously untrue. Sure, with fancy movement, slayer can move through more layouts similarly, but it definitely factors in. A marauder in a flat open area isn't the same as one in a vertical area with slopes and jumps

[slim willow]

There's a reason mapping is such a big part of the community.

[dapper flint]

Again you're doing apples and oranges

[halcyon willow]

This is any AAA game made these days

[dapper flint]

There's a difference between Sunlust Archie wave cover

[halcyon willow]

Ironically, the more power you give the player with movement skills, ability and fancy weapons, the less control you have as a level designer

[gusty falcon]

Yep

[dapper flint]

And swinging around hitting switches for environment triggers

[gusty falcon]

Because it's easier for them to break your game

[halcyon willow]

The fact the doom guy can dash, double jump, monkey bar etc limits doom eternal arena design to pretty much the same thing each time

Still fun, but if you break down the block outs there is very little variance

TAG started to mix things up with some quirky set ups like the shield guy plasma fight or the specter blood punch fight

But to do truly wild designs, you need to have simple base gameplay mechanics

[dapper flint]

Exactly. At no time have I said that modern doom is bad. Modern doom is perfect. However classic doom has years of map design monster combinations and endless possibilities

[halcyon willow]

Even just trying to work around jumping in a doom wad creates so many headaches

For sure

Nu doom and classic doom are both very good at what they do

[tacit remnant]

I think there’s plenty of unexplored possibilities in Eternal’s system, but due to AAA production values they don’t have the time or budget to blow on highly experimental level ideas so they have to play it kinda safe

If you only have 20 levels and need a dozen people working in concert on each, you can’t spend 2 months of dev time on a level that you ultimately can’t use

But playermade content would likely not be concerned with stuff like carefully chosen lighting or elaborate cutscenes. Not to mention players would mostly (if not entirely) be using existing assets instead of needing to build a bunch of new ones for each level

[azure nimbus]

for sure, it's less influential than classic's maps design but it DOEs matter some.

I noticed most blatently going back to 2016 where the particular layout, even if open still was difficult because it needed to be navigable in particular ways and I needed to plan more

[dapper flint]

Well nothing is stopping them from doing a prodeus model for eternal. In which case I'd shut the fuck up

[gusty falcon]

Is it really that hard to account for jumping i figured that the easiest way to prevent sequence breaking with jumping is to make the walls or platforms higher or make distances between gaps a tiny bit farther

Because there's no ledge grab to account for lost distance normally I've found that maps that do that can pretty much keep the player on the path they want them to go the jump isn't that high after all
And it doesn't normally carry that much of your momentum

[halcyon willow]

It's harder than it seems, especially in a udmf map with large 3d spaces. A jumping doom guy can cover a seriously large amount of space. And just raising walls up has a lot of gameplay implications

I end up using a lot of midtex fences

Without jumping a 25 mu wall will stop you. With jumping it's 55

Which blocks vision and projectiles

[finite crag]

I think that 2016 is extremely good

but it's not meant to last only to be replayable

I've replayed it probably 20-25 times over the last 3.5 years

but I don't actively play it at all on multiplayer or arcade mode even though I like both it's just not something built to last

[tacit remnant]

What’s the Prodeus model?

[unique canyon]

is sr50 possible on the xbox app in doom?

[azure nimbus]

console port has "auto" sr50. as long as you're running diagonally, you're good

[prime lava]

depends on the controller

on the steam unity port it is guaranteed that you get auto SR50 (at least on KB, controller you get higher speeds than console for some stupid reason but still depends on controller), but on console unity ports nah

[meager kite]

ok guys i have compiled the controls for the classic dooms in eternal on controller

run: L2
shoot: R2
interact: R3
weapon switching:L1 or R2
looking: right stick
moving: left stick

idk what it is on pc but

eh

[grim pollen]

If snapmap was a bit more powerful doom 2016 would be in a much stronger position to keep up content but the limits are just enough where even the revered maps feel cut off and the load times to enter snapmap are brutally slow.

Every restriction under the book has been used as a gimmick in classic doom projects but imagine if all of them had those limitations urg.

[finite crag]

i just randomly clicked this link after entering the chat and played it lol, is this like a demo of a game ur making...?

also pls @ me if u decide to respond so il get notif, thx

[pearl osprey]

Pretty sure its a standalone map not an entire game

[finite crag]

ye thats why i said demo

[pearl osprey]

More specifically a beginner trying to get into mapping which I absolutely love seeing IMO

[finite crag]

yeah true, thats what i thought after playing it

[pearl osprey]

I would've reviewed it and gave advice but pretty I'm busy rn

[finite crag]

ye im busy playing tetris

[royal heron]

Dammit

I was doing so well trying to do Scythe map26 on UV

Up until the last cyberdemon stretch

Where I prompty walked into two cyberdemon rockets

🤦‍♂️

[molten iron]

[halcyon willow]

[cosmic pagoda]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AfFGCSW-37A

been waiting gor this

[gentle compass]

Good point, it’d cripple it. I get the limitations as things in modern games get more and more complex but dang

[dapper flint]

Map creation and being able to publish it for the world

[azure nimbus]

that he found the secret but it didn't trigger :(

[molten iron]

These playthroughs have been great

[torn pivot]

https://youtu.be/eyPZ0EHc61A

[neon canyon]

[cosmic pagoda]

https://imgur.com/aqHE6jK

[near estuary]

Lol

[fast mortar]

I like how the archville caught me off guard more than the thousand revenants

[runic obsidian]

nuts

[lost wigeon]

guys

my school computer can run doom

[royal heron]

Welcome back to another episode of: "Can it run DOOM?"

[past field]

Can my decapitated hand run doom? Lets find out!

[dusky venture]

I need to install zandronum on all the school computers in my lab so we can have big ass deathmatches

[past field]

I have an easier idea
tell all the students to bring flash drives with zandronum

its easier and less likely for you to get caught

[lethal moat]

#classic-doom-maps-mods message

check out my third map if you want, i like this one

[royal heron]

@lethal moat you can just upload the wad to the channel, you can post pics and stuff like that

No need to send it as a discord attachment

:)

[fickle adder]

I put it on a circuit board I made lmao

[dusky venture]

even better idea
take one flash drive and stick the folders for the source port somewhere in the shared NAS we have

[past field]

oooooh

that sounds like a great plan

everyone shall play doom

[dusky venture]

now I can uv-max plutonia infront of all my classmates who probably don't even know what doom is

[azure nimbus]

Bunker tho. unless you're patient enough to get that PE

[slim willow]

power move

[tulip garnet]

Essentially Plutonia

[weak relic]

hello

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/886366224869650446/915835813915398204/Doom_Commercial_for_64-Bit_Jaguar.mp4

good doom comercial

is my favorite

i dont know if posting videos is allowed

[weak relic]

ok i just looked i should be fine

[past field]

I dont think its the best doom ever

theres unity doom right there

and doom psx

[onyx crow]

doom psx looks like the first doom 3

[eternal lance]

"best doom ever"
atari jaguar

pick one

[past field]

is no rest for the living really just 8 maps (with one secret map)?

[slim willow]

Jaguar Doom I think is a very interesting port. Very different atmosphere to the original.

[storm patrol]

doom on 32X has just the best ost you wouldnt believe it

[slim willow]

Oh yes definitely

[eternal lance]

doom ost but it's just the sega respirator farting

[storm patrol]

chef kiss emoji

[eternal lance]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-thank-you-perfect-superbe-génial-gif-16654157

[past field]

Nah man y’all got it all wrong, the GBA port is where its at

[eternal lance]

no no no, a calculator port is where the shit hit the fan

[past field]

Actually I know better
Doom on a pregnancy test device

[azure nimbus]

best to circle strafe cw or ccw around mancs? I think decino said ccw but really not sure

[past field]

Mancs as in a mancubus, right?

[royal heron]

Yeah mancs

[past field]

Oh

[pearl osprey]

What is cw?

[past field]

Then my best suggestion, none.

[royal heron]

Hm... not sure because id did the devious idea and implemented what would become known today in modern gaming as "leading shots"

[past field]

Hol up nvm I though he meant circle strafing

Whats cw and ccw

[royal heron]

Clockwise and counterclockwise

And yes he's talking about circle strafing

[past field]

Oh

[royal heron]

Mancs are technically the first demons to "lead" their shots

[past field]

Well, then neither. Its a lot safe to just kill a mancubus while simply just going in between or away from the fireballs. Circle strafing makes you more likely to get hit, and nobody likes getting hit by a mancubus fireball

[royal heron]

They're fast bois

The fastest projectiles ingame iiirc

[storm patrol]

3DO Doom is the crem dala creme

maybe tied with the Sega Saturn version

[past field]

Well do those versions got that g r e e n g o r e ?

[storm patrol]

no but they have horrendous slowdown that makes episode 4 literally unplayable

:3

[finite crag]

3DO version made by woman on deadline

[weak relic]

no i was saying its my favorite doom comercial

[dapper flint]

Green gore

[somber crystal]

gba port is kinda bad
i tried it and its slow, sluggish, looks awful and so goddamn slow, bad controls also

[onyx crow]

now that i saw your pfp i wonder who's that yellow screaming guy?

[alpine tide]

I think that for a gameboy advance port it does its job very well, except the censoring...

[versed wren]

The 3DO one is a bad port but the music is just so good

[royal heron]

3DO objectively has some of the best music

Now, the Sega32x port though...

Our ears cannot comprehend the absolute masterpiece it is

I mean seriously listen to this

https://youtu.be/SlV1p7bhAUY

Beautiful

[pearl osprey]

wet fart sound effect #2

It's so beautiful I am crying

[royal heron]

Tears are streaming out if my eyes from the sheer beautyof this soundtrack

[eternal lance]

farting: the music

[royal heron]

FARP: Knee Deep in the Shit

[somber crystal]

final doom gog shortcut logo/from manual

[errant imp]

WAD recommendations for someone who knows all the "tricks" but doesn't have keyboard and mouse muscle memory yet?

The first unofficial WAD I tried was sunlust on HMP with save states but that got too much on map 14.

[somber crystal]

i like sigil

and no rest for the living dead

doom zero is cool also, makes some weapon changes so load as a mod not a map

nrftl is only on doom bfg edition though

[azure nimbus]

doom zero is pretty heavy on puzzles. Ancient Aliens, vanguard, going down are what I"ve played so far. theyre very good, especially AA and GD

BTSX is somewhat easier than those but maps are lengthy

[past field]

I feel physical and mental pain hearing this

[past field]

You’re wrong, its also in the doom unity port as an addon

[molten iron]

[azure nimbus]

NRFL is a good couple sessions of doom. not too tough, easier secrets

[past field]

Yeah, a good 9-level expansion

Although the end text looks nothing like doom

Its like as if sonic wrote the end text for nrftl

[past field]

Sponsored by Taco Bell™️

[somber crystal]

yeah but who actually uses the unity port

[azure nimbus]

I would bet most people. Not everyone knows to download eternity or dsda or whatever

[somber crystal]

most people dont use eternity or dsda or whatever they just use gzdoom and others
ive seen most people here use the steam or gog one and then a source port

sure i guess youre right
however pc players will get steam or gog ones and then a source port and not unity one
who even uses the bethesda launcher on pc lol

[halcyon willow]

alien vendetta, vanguard and speed of doom

[errant imp]

Thanks guys I'll give these a try

[azure nimbus]

speed of doom seems much more difficult than AA. is that the case? only tried a level or two

[tacit remnant]

I use the Unity port because I don’t have to manually disable the weird 3D features that GZDoom adds every time I start a new save

I hate that those aren’t just off by default

[azure nimbus]

unity is the console port and yet its controller support doesn't have custom button mapping or buttons for bfg or melee or pistol...

[halcyon willow]

i'd say AA is harder on average but SoD has a few spicy maps

[azure nimbus]

valiant?

[halcyon willow]

SoD has a lot of maps that seem hard due to the monster count but when you get into them it's easier than it looks

[azure nimbus]

just getting an idea of what order to play em

[halcyon willow]

Twilight Massacre is a good example of that

they've both got their tricky moments

AA also has a bunch of new monsters to get used to

[azure nimbus]

valiant has lots of new guys, more than AA

[halcyon willow]

valiant has a bunch of changes to existing monsters

(as well as some new ones like the arachnorb)

[somber crystal]

i just use lzdoom cause my pc is bad lol

[grim pollen]

Hal's temple and Ruins of Kalnek are tougher than any content I recall in AA.

The late SoD has real BS maps in between the slaughterscapes

[covert basin]

man

[past field]

I use dsda-doom

[covert basin]

just did level 09 of plutonia, and i fell so many times just to pick the cells at the end of the level

[grim pollen]

behind the exit teleporter?

[covert basin]

yes

[finite crag]

Eviternity is pretty damn good. It gets rough later on, but I'd recommend it.

[errant imp]

its funny like half of these i thought were for the doom gods like Sunlust

[grim pollen]

Player skill varies but Sunlust etc i'd stick in a category where it's way more likely to get stuck if you play playing badly whereas in the other sets you can grind on through with saves without too much worry but late Sunlust and your play is shaky around the edges you'll be in deep trouble.

Im pretty sure I had to hard reset SWTW's map 3 locking myself with low ammo in the water cave. They're cruel if played incorrectly.

[royal heron]

dsda-doom and gzdoom are currently the two most popular ports afaik

[vivid vine]

Crispy

[errant imp]

Oh I thought using saves was generally considered, well, "cringe"

Excessively anyway

[royal heron]

saves are there for a reason

unless you're a seasoned doom player and want to challenge yourself saves are perfectly fine to use, especially if you don't know map layout either

When I'm doing a casual playthrough, I save a lot throughout Heartland

[errant imp]

hm. i was saving after every major encounter like a normal autosaving game but when i started save scumming i went to play going down instead. currently on map 10 UV no scumming lol

[royal heron]

if you ever want to start saving less then just set a limit to how many saves you have

[errant imp]

sounds interesting

[green kraken]

whats the level where theres stairs and to the right is a room with pillars stacked with supplies, then a baron guarding a megarmor across a bridge thing and a caco/hitscanners in a small room?

[azure nimbus]

sounds like e4m8 to me

@green kraken

[green kraken]

thx

[finite crag]

Am i the only one who doesnt like hd doom or msoothdoom?

I like the 5 framed supershotgun reload :D

[finite crag]

Very haram

If ur playing in nm diff. This is YOUR nightmare

[royal heron]

Haram >:(

[finite crag]

Also like 2 years ago i planned to make Hitscan hell there is a beta on the mods site for doom but i quit the project bcuz it was a pain to make

Might return to doing it

[past field]

Me

[pearl osprey]

It has anti-brutal doom technology so its a very good mod

/jk

[finite crag]

And holy papasha i found the mod note i uploaded it like few months later
https://www.moddb.com/addons/hitscan-hell

So if anyone wants to try the hell u can

[eternal lance]

do not

[finite crag]

Ofc its a joke mod its not suppose to be beaten

And yes my name is artyom

Hey guys, I downloaded the windows 64 but version of GZDOOM but there is no way to actually play the game

I have an ultimate doom wad in there too

Hold on I never extracted the files

LOL

I feel really dumb. Especially considering I already did this on my laptop.

[dapper flint]

Hurt fast done... now that actually makes the low monster count make sense. Need to upload

[past field]

Guess who bought doom 2 on PS4 even though they have it on PC!

t h i s g u y !

[dapper flint]

Have fun

[sonic thorn]

Just for that its top tier ngl

[finite crag]

I mean
same

[opal blade]

Haram-DOOM

[eternal lance]

it is very haram

[finite crag]

Guys, I just downloaded brutal doom and it doesn’t work when I open it with gzdoom, would you guys have any idea why this is?

[sonic thorn]

The universe is trying to save you