classic-doom

[crystal hill]

why not use a newer version?

[fallow sparrow]

But it doesn't load many mods

[woven swallow]

My guess is low specs?

[crystal hill]

at least for the newer wads

[crystal hill]

get dsda doom or something then

[fallow sparrow]

My laptop actually ignited so I'm using my phone instead

[woven swallow]

Some of the newer Gzdoom versions literally won't load for my low end laptop

[crystal hill]

how're you using gzdoom on your phone?

[fallow sparrow]

And my laptop is a 2009 hp

[woven swallow]

Delta touch?

[crystal hill]

again, no need to use gzdoom for everything

[livid light]

probably delta touch or genzd

[woven swallow]

Fair fair

[fallow sparrow]

Nope, that's out of my reach for now

[crystal hill]

Why are you answering the question for him?

[fallow sparrow]

Im using the discontinued freedoom source port

[woven swallow]

Da hell 😭

[livid light]

well maybe i thought they could be using that since is most commonly used

[crystal hill]

is that only running gzdoom?

[woven swallow]

I have never heard of that before

[fallow sparrow]

Anyhow, despite being from 2017, it supports 3d models and dynamic lightning

Qstuff ultra is peak

[crystal hill]

right, well, if you're using a discontinued mobile port for freedoom, I dont think its fair to expect it to play new stuff

you're also not likely to get much tech support advice from here

[fallow sparrow]

It does play new stuff, it plays every single DBP map, and can somehow, render that one experimental lighting map

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167762378197311528/1505689096671203490/Screenshot_20260518_042127.jpg?ex=6a0b89be&is=6a0a383e&hm=20b1f409dedc7ec43feaa24c81713d5fd8b610389bf77ecadd084b0ae32f3042& bruh

[crystal hill]

DBPs are limit removing my guy

[fallow sparrow]

But they run, I don't understand it but they fucking do

Pure magic

[crystal hill]

because they use an older standard#

limit removing ports have been around since the 90s

[crystal hill]

very expected

[fallow sparrow]

The source port also runs brutal doom, no missing features, very expected, runs D4T, csdmo, and addons

[woven swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-jujutsu-kaisen-season-3-jujutsu-kaisen-meme-gif-15583178749253214866

[crystal hill]

if it runs brutal doom, it must be an older version

[crystal hill]

you have to understand, running brutal doom doesn't mean it'll run everything

there are different ports that do different things to each other

ZDoom can run lillith.pk3, that doesn't mean it can run everything

[fallow sparrow]

I've been hitting it with a wrench for 4 years, so expected

3rd world gaming moment

[fallow sparrow]

The new version runs fine but I didn't like it

The old is less ram hungry

[crystal hill]

I guess thats a trade off

is there no other working source port on mobile? like a dsda doom or a woof?

[fallow sparrow]

They don't have mobile ports, but chocolate doom has a mobile port, which is so god awful that it does not even run

I tried to find it, searched in the most broken niche websites, and when I got it running, the game crashed upon menu loading

D touch is paid, so I'm not buying it when quad touch exists and quake has 0 functional ports that are free

Darkplaces android exists but it has entire libraries of missing dependencies, meaning it can't run a level, it gets stuck on the menu

And a non paid version of Qtouch also has missing dependencies, so that means you have to buy the port, then buy the game and get the shareware, all at once

Anyways, doom

I still don't like neon overdrive, map 7 is a total lagfest of complete and utter bullshit

That lag happens because the makers did not put sight blocking walls at all

[crystal hill]

I don't know if its far to judge a map/wad while using the wrong port to play it

no wonder it doesn't work properly

[fallow sparrow]

The port wouldn't matter when the map makers spammed random decors until they bugged out, and completely forgot to place proper fences in some areas

I don't think it's a finished wad

[crystal hill]

or maybe its your port not being able to properly load those

[fallow sparrow]

Plus the guns should be a standalone wad because the sprites are just that good

[fallow sparrow]

My port can do instant teleport and render huge maps, that's not a real issue on the wad side of things, it only struggles when mods use advanced Zscript

[crystal hill]

you seriously do not get it, do you?

[crystal hill]

look

I don't care how powerful GZDoom 3.6.2 is, it is missing some critical features for MBF21 compatibility. Neon Overdrive is an MBF21 wad

[livid light]

ye, since mbf21 map format is basically a mejorated version of boom, maybe that’s why it can run the maps but is still glitched in some parts

[fallow sparrow]

What features does it use that my port can't digest?

[crystal hill]

To give an impression of what is possible with the MBF21 specification:

Instakill floors
Better generalized line scrolling
Granular control over monster infighting and projectile/splash damage susceptibility (e.g. you can make barons and knights infight, or make imps immune to cacodemons and barrels, and all sorts of funky combinations)
New actor flags, exposing a whole ton of previously-hardcoded actor behaviors (e.g. splash damage immunity and boss death triggers), plus a few new things like ripper projectiles and low gravity
Weapon flags, make your weapons silent, customize autoswitch-on-pickup behavior, etc.
A proper "ammo per shot" field for all weapons, not just the BFG
A lot of new DeHackEd codepointers, with up to 8 customizable args. This allows mods to feature custom weapons and monsters easily
Bug fixes & compatibility options:
    Fixes for 3-key doors
    Working generalized crushers
    Ability to disable Boom's pushing-monsters-off-ledges behavior

the new actor flags alone seem like enough to ruin compatibility

[fallow sparrow]

My port does all this, somehow

I don't get it

[crystal hill]

clearly it doesn't

because it doesn't run Neon Overdrive properly

there is absolutely no way it released in a "buggy" state, people praised it regardless, and it won a cacoward without massive discussion about said "bugs"

[fallow sparrow]

Dude I can literally just record actually gameplay

[crystal hill]

oh? go ahead

[woven swallow]

Jesus Christ what happened here 😭

[fallow sparrow]

Instant damage floors work, sent it in #videos

Crappy recording but hey it gets the job done

[crystal hill]

what's that supposed to prove?

Damaging floors are in the original Doom

[fallow sparrow]

Insta kill floors

But the others I'm not sure how to demonstrate

I don't have a low g map

[crystal hill]

Voodoo doll trick

Famously used in TNT Map 30

[fallow sparrow]

But not in DEX

[crystal hill]

I still don't get your point

[woven swallow]

Voodoo doll thing

[crystal hill]

yeah, GZ 3.6.2 can do a lot of things

it cant do the things Neon Overdrive does

how is it this hard to grasp??

[fallow sparrow]

How can it not render damn palm trees

No amount of vibe coding made it actually render the entities

[woven swallow]

Simple, it doesn't support mbf21 and other features for Neon overdrive to run on

[fallow sparrow]

Either my port is too forked, or the compatibility was never checked down to zdoom

[crystal hill]

the compatibility literally cannot be made to work with your version of zdoom

because your version is older then the mbf21 standard

[crystal hill]

and you're actively tweaking the port as well?

that's a recipe for disaster if you dont know what you're doing

[fallow sparrow]

If the entire app decided to die, I can literally just reload the APK

It's a 0 risk thing

[crystal hill]

sigh

[woven swallow]

???

[woven swallow]

Bro had enough 😭

[crystal hill]

I'm just gonna beat this PSX level and go to sleep

[fallow sparrow]

Desperate men create shitty side forks I guess

Not like I'm rich enough to buy and upgrade a pc, or pay a higher electricity bill

[crystal hill]

level beat, here's a review, and good night

Twilight Descends: The first original Doom PSX level to actually feel like a level, and not a test map. And it's damn solid to boot. Very competent fights, pretty brisk pace (with lots of shortcuts to make traversal around the level easier), the lighting is used to great effect for some atmosphere, the architecture... exists, unlike the prior maps, there's variety in the environments, from a storage room to some building to a nuclear pool, the secrets were mostly findable and satisfying. My main complaint is needing to find essentially a secret to get the red key, but that's quite a nitpick. I've heard people call this their favourite Doom PSX level, and I can definitely see why.

[halcyon willow]

Hope you have approval from Skillsaw and Antares to use their wad names

[bitter shoal]

make it another Plutonia joke wad. PLUTERS

[sharp wyvern]

i wish doom psx levels were on D+D2

[fallow sparrow]

Just say it's an addon brother, not like they can sue him for shit

[crystal hill]

I mean, the community makes unofficial sequels all the time

Look at Plutonia and TNT sequels

[sharp wyvern]

It’s just courtesy

[crystal hill]

I guess you could/should ask them, but I doubt they would say "no"

[crystal hill]

I don't love TFC, but playing those levels alongside the Master Levels is really elevating them

[sharp wyvern]

😭 yup

[crystal hill]

Threshold of Pain: Unfortunately, I rank this closer to the first two PSX exclusive levels than to Twilight Descends. The first half is a barely more complex version of those two, just with a split path and more combat. The second half gets convoluted with progression, forcing you to jump onto some platforms from a very specific point to progress. If you fall down, have fun climbing back up. The ending fight is also a little lame, pain elementals (present everywhere throughout the map too) and Hell Knights vs plasma and rockets is a forgone conclusion. That being said, this is a way better final Doom 1 level than Dis, and possibly even E4M8 from the Ultimate Doom, so there's that.

[median cloud]

Why are you playing the classics again?

[crystal hill]

I decided arbitrarily to replay every classic doom game on their 25th anniversary

before going into that year's cacowards

2020 was the 25th anniversary of Thy Flesh Consumed, the Master Levels and PSX DOom

[median cloud]

I think the last fight is pretty cool in that map

The start is a drag imo the cabe section

[crystal hill]

the last fight was more annoying than anything

with the constantly spawning in pain elementals

[median cloud]

I found it kinda tough because you mostly have an rl

[crystal hill]

I'm glad that there's a PsyDoom pwad out there, so I have another excuse to use that source port in future

[median cloud]

Its like forced rl combat against pains which is cool

[crystal hill]

I had enough cells and bullets to kill off the pain elementals

then I used rockets for the hell knights

[median cloud]

Fair

I dont like the other exclusive levels much

Ah wait no I like the mansion

[crystal hill]

I heard that one's good, yeah

and I want to experience club doom too

hell, I want to play PS1 Doom all the way through some day

this port is seriously fun to play

[crystal hill]

playing Paradox after the other Master Levels feels like eating a loaf of bread after starving for a week

aaaaand its back to the Christen Klie maps

[crystal hill]

How this man got paid for his work is baffling

[median cloud]

Its something alright

Not a fan personally

[median cloud]

Ive played it multiple times throughout, before I played so much sp doom

Didnt pistol start back then tho

[crystal hill]

I wonder if more maps will be hard to pistol start in PSX Doom

since there are big changes to some of them

[median cloud]

Possibly I dont think they took ammo management into account

And I found most maps a bit harder to pistol start

Threshold of pain had some pain elementals in the cave section that almost killed me due to lack of weapons

The psx version of final doom is way easier though

[crystal hill]

yeah, because it removes most of Plutonia

[median cloud]

Even the levels they kept are changed to be easier iirc

Onslaught might have a cyber tho

But no archviles iirc

[sharp wyvern]

I like it it’s funny

[crystal hill]

Redemption Denied: Feels like Dis 2.0. The Baron wave precedes the Spiderdemons, which makes the level feel more structured, but also lets you safely equip yourself before tackling the Spiders. You can also just make them infight and then finish off the survivor, which is amusing and anti climactic. Proooobably still better than Dis, and far superior to the bloody Icon of Sin.

[median cloud]

Yeah redemption denied is meh

U doing secret maps last?

[crystal hill]

yeah, I'm doing them based on map order

[median cloud]

Well technically redemption denied is last then

Play order atleast

[crystal hill]

play order, not map order

I'm using idclev to skip around

[median cloud]

The marshes and club doom are total pushovers

Not horrible tho

[crystal hill]

alright

[crystal hill]

The Marshes: This, meanwhile, feels like Tower of Babel 2.0. It gives you a reason to explore the whole level, by not giving you adequate guns to fight the Cyberdemon immediately. The other areas are a little barebones for my liking, though, and the crusher trap teleporter is just evil. While the level does feature what I can definitely believe to be a Marsh, I feel Tower of Babel was more atmospheric, especially thanks to that midi. This level, like Redemption, is about on par with it's inspiration, maybe slightly better for feeling more like a level than just a boss fight.

[median cloud]

That crusher trap was so ughhh hate that

Its def easier than tower of babel due to having a ssg and no lost souls

Esp psx tower or babel which has mancubi

[crystal hill]

its horrible, but the level is so short and that trap easily avoidable after you've fallen for it once that I can't be too harsh on it

[median cloud]

The aesthetic is cool and the ssg reward is nice

[crystal hill]

that's kind of baffling that PSX Doom has tower of babel and then tower of babel 2

[median cloud]

But yeah very simple

[crystal hill]

at least it removed Dis and replaced it with dis 2

[median cloud]

Psx doesnt have warrens right?

E3m9

[crystal hill]

doesnt seem so

[median cloud]

Mhm

[crystal hill]

oh wow, it got rid of slough of despair too

this might be the best version of doom 1

[median cloud]

Arguably especially with the bigger roster

[crystal hill]

thats the biggest flaw of doom 1 imo

the designers dont have many enemies to use to begin with, but then they limit themselves further

[median cloud]

Tho tbf the psx cast is inferior to doom 2 cast

Slow rev

[crystal hill]

oh yeah, I saw that in hell keep

genuinely pathetic. I don't love the revenants, but this cripplies them

[median cloud]

They only have homing missiles as well instead of both

[crystal hill]

makes them more predictable

[median cloud]

Uhu

And no arches

[crystal hill]

I know

So maybe Doom 2 is inferior

but its kind of not fair to judge PSX Doom 1 and 2 differently, since they're one game

[median cloud]

True as a package its amazing

[crystal hill]

can't wait to play it in 2028

@sharp wyvern I think despite its shortcomings, so far, I like TFC more than the prior 3 episodes of Doom

[median cloud]

Naw knee deep is peak

[crystal hill]

I've lost all love for it after playing dozens of E1 rip off cacoward recipients

[storm tapir]

Episode 2 supremacy

[full shoal]

Wow. One Flew over the caco's nest was a breath of fresh air after all those 400 enemy maps in Alien Vendetta

[halcyon willow]

Using the popularity of someone else's wad for your own project promotion is shit behavior.

This is not a new problem.

"""Unofficial""" sequels trying this usually get nuked from orbit

[crystal hill]

how is this different to something like a Plutonia 2?

[fallow sparrow]

You could be less toxic about it, plus who dictates what is riding and what's adding, by this definition, we should nuke every single addon, mod and tweak In existence

It's a complete none issue, driven by ego

[halcyon willow]

Remakes of iwads are different. And Dario has played Plutonia 2

[halcyon willow]

Nice strawman

[woven swallow]

It's really not right to use someone else's wad assets or other stuff without permission or just asking

[fallow sparrow]

Nice ad hominum

[crystal hill]

wouldn't a remake be worse? because thats less original

besides, Plutonia 2 is no remake of Plut 1

[halcyon willow]

Antares and Skillsaw are both still current mappers in the community. Incredibly easy to get hold of. You ask permission to use their work's name because it's the right fucking thing to do

Not a complicated concept

[vague scroll]

Guys xddd. I just finished level 18 of TNT Evilution xddd. It took me 1 hour and 7 minutes. I thought I couldn't progress because of a bug, but my friend investigated for me and said it wasn't a bug.

[median cloud]

Dooooom

[flint flint]

I am in now, finally

Hello

[flint flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1364028572091813930/1505918398490480660/doom13.png?ex=6a0c5f4c&is=6a0b0dcc&hm=61125c6ae3805e2fe1c7fe207e662aef744243be721f402e9a1a5537e9f0e827&

[tall basin]

Caco massacre

[crystal hill]

is this entropy?

[flint flint]

Firefly map 5.

I choked so hard

Crazy fluke, in just 5 attempts i made it to all the way here

Now i can't even get past the damn start anymore.

[crystal hill]

ahhh. Looks... uninviting

The Mansion: The OTHER highly rated Doom PSX level, and I have to agree. If it wasn't for some annoying puzzles like the teleporter maze that sends you to lava if you mess it up, this would easily be my favourite in this game (it might still be, to be fair). It has the best, most consistent aesthetics of the set, the combat is quite fast paced, the level is fast paced and it's hard to get lost in it. It feels more like a library at times than a mansion, but hey. It's quite fun, in conclusion.

[ionic valve]

hi

[main vortex]

Hi

[ionic valve]

what source port do yal think is the best to play classic doom?

i use uzdoom

[main vortex]

Internet archive

Free

[ionic valve]

i know

[crystal hill]

thats not a source port

also thats illegal

[main vortex]

I know it’s kind of an unfunny joke

[ionic valve]

i mean what engine is your fav

[ionic valve]

ok

[crystal hill]

if you want to play somewhat vanilla, dsda doom is my go to

if you want to use mods, UZDoom

[ionic valve]

how do i play the dos ver

[main vortex]

Unity

[crystal hill]

through steam

[woven swallow]

Woof

[ionic valve]

i tried using dosbox but i genuinely don't know how to use it

[ionic valve]

thats unity

[woven swallow]

Yes, that's a sourceport...

[main vortex]

Ok, so it is…

[crystal hill]

no, you can play the dos version through it

[ionic valve]

but it runs through unity doesn't it

[crystal hill]

no, it does not

[woven swallow]

Huh?

[ionic valve]

ooh

[woven swallow]

It uses a dos emulator

[main vortex]

Sorry I was being nosey, But I saw that you are a pyro main

[crystal hill]

I used to be. What about it?

[ionic valve]

i dont have the steam edition. i only have the uz doom version of the classic doom games. i dont own any steam edition of any doom fame actually

[main vortex]

Idk I don’t see many tf2 players outside the game

[ionic valve]

tf2?

[crystal hill]

Yes, TF2

[ionic valve]

i love it

great game

valve always rocks

[main vortex]

They don’t update the game

[ionic valve]

does it matter?

i dont think so

it aint as bad as hls

[main vortex]

Yeah the game is better without it

[crystal hill]

this isn't really the place for Valve discussion

[ionic valve]

ok

[crystal hill]

should go to #general I think

[woven swallow]

You can install dosbox

[main vortex]

That one casual update kind of made the game worse

[ionic valve]

i dont know how to use it i said it

[ionic valve]

at least it aint as bad as hls

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/Ac-Knv04sPg?si=kIJKx5VWJ5zDhwjH

[main vortex]

Not only tf2, But hl3 was left for dead too

[ionic valve]

son

i am a big hl nerd n shi

[sharp wyvern]

Grrrrrr

[flint flint]

It ain't that bad, pretty chill to be honest.

Would recommend

[crystal hill]

none of the levels are particularly bad, which is nice

fear was kind of boring though

[crystal hill]

I think it got a cacoward or runner up one year, so it's on the list

[flint flint]

Runner up for 2024, yeah.

[main vortex]

I wonder how the original spider mastermind stays together, like the metal gears have to be solid

[crystal hill]

I'll let you know what I think in 2027

[flint flint]

Alright, cool.

[graceful topaz]

anyone play samsara?

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/351083456895254529/1506205804087218246/Screenshot_20260519_141202.jpg?ex=6a0d6af7&is=6a0c1977&hm=913815dca8e3900bb0fc93d543822d799c2f5a0c457ea59b86c70fc11bfaec35

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/TS_3-uBlRBY?list=PLANNNfN6v8HoMEE7w1i1U9ClYEI__l5ze this shit deadass started playing when i got the end of the demo run 😭

[crystal hill]

I have now been reminded of exactly how much I despise the master levels

luckily before I lost all will to live

[sharp wyvern]

are you playing the psx version or just the regular dos ones

[crystal hill]

dos ones

[sharp wyvern]

ah ok

oh yeah the psx ones are october

[crystal hill]

?

october?

[sharp wyvern]

psx final doom released in october

[crystal hill]

Oh, I'm not playing that any time soon

no unique levels

[sharp wyvern]

ermm technically theyre different to the regular ones 🤓

[wintry copper]

nah plus half of it is Master Levels for some reason

[sharp wyvern]

at least the master levels got unique ambience

[sharp wyvern]

and it's not even the ones i like 💔

[crystal hill]

Its called Final Doom, and a third of it isnt Final Doom 💀

[wintry copper]

right lmao

I get it, the PS1 probably wouldn't have been able to handle some of the Plutonia and TNT levels but couldn't they have sized them down a bit so they'd still work on it

but instead PS1 players had to experience Christen Klie's bad excuses for level design 🥀

[sharp wyvern]

couldve at least put the cabal levels on there

[wintry copper]

or maybe they could've co-opted John Anderson's Dante WAD into it instead

[crystal hill]

I dont know what's worse, Klie's levels or shit like TEETH and Titan Manor

the master levels infuriate me in more than one way

[sharp wyvern]

I LIKE TEETH AND TITAN MANOR

[wintry copper]

I suppose Sverre Andre Kvernmo at least tried doing something interesting

[crystal hill]

THEN YOU ARE LOST

[sharp wyvern]

well teeth in one go is pretty shit

[wintry copper]

Titan Manor is straight ass but TEETH I almost like bc of its quirkiness

[sharp wyvern]

i like teeth cause of that yeah

more interesting than most classic doom levels

[wintry copper]

also I cannot not love its name already 😂

[sharp wyvern]

idk i didnt really die at all on the titan levels :p so i liked them

[crystal hill]

Sure, but classic doom is at least playable

[wintry copper]

it's such a humorous acronym it has the same effect as a really good pun

[sharp wyvern]

and they have neat set dressing

[sharp wyvern]

well umm actually maximum doom is part of classic doom and some of it is unplayable :3

and umm the original release of TNT has an unplayable level :3

[wintry copper]

umm it wasn't officially sanctioned 🤓

[crystal hill]

I admire teeth for its novelty but I hate playing it, and I hate how Malcolm Sailor referenced it in Chord NG

[sharp wyvern]

umm ID Software sold it 🤓

[wintry copper]

oh shit right it was

fuck

[sharp wyvern]

if i made a megawad i'd probably do a teeth-style level just for the heck of it

but without some of the master levelsisms lol

[wintry copper]

well the internet was very new in 95 so the non-internet havers had to get these WADs somehow

[crystal hill]

out of all the levels you could remake, that may be the least offensive one

[sharp wyvern]

i like the cabal series because it has some banger levels and the ones that arent bangers at least have something about them that makes them mechanically interesting

[wintry copper]

Corporate Hell from MM2 is kinda TEETH-esque

[crystal hill]

I dont like the black tower

[sharp wyvern]

black tower and bloodsea keep are 🔥 and teeth and mephisto are an interesting gimmick/has very good set dressing

[wintry copper]

it also has a lift that goes to different levels but depending on how far into the map you've progressed

[crystal hill]

too dark, and barons teleporting everywhere is a recipe for hell

[wintry copper]

complimenting M*phisto's Maosoleum in any way 💀

[sharp wyvern]

mephistos mausoleum is a bad level but the thought that went into the setting (other than the 4 icons which looks like ass) is pretty good

i especially like mephisto's body rising out of the coffin

[wintry copper]

ok that is cool

the rest? throw it in the bin

[sharp wyvern]

i like the gimmick of going in and out but it couldve been done a lot better

but thats why i like cabal, it's a lot of interesting ideas, even if some of them weren't done very well, so i can appreciate it

[wintry copper]

might have to check it out

[sharp wyvern]

the levels for it that didn't end up in the master levels are also pretty fun

[crystal hill]

I didnt play mephisto's on my replay because teeth was so terrible to play

and I already almost threw in the towel multiple times prior

[sharp wyvern]

i also enjoy the story he wrote for it

it's charming

[wintry copper]

wait whose map is that

[sharp wyvern]

if i could add things to the KEX port it would either be splitting the master levels into a menu again OR fixing the ordering of the continuous version + adding text screens between levels which are the txt files from the original release

[sharp wyvern]

cabal is a series of levels from the 90s, some of which were put in the master levels

(bloodsea keep, mephisto's mausoleum, express elevator to hell, bad dream, black tower)

[wintry copper]

ah

[sharp wyvern]

each of those levels came with txt files in the original which told the story of a cyberdemon turned into a human who was taking revenge on his former demon allies (they turned him into a human)

[wintry copper]

yeah the story goes unironically pretty hard tbh

[sharp wyvern]

i like the added characterisation it gives to the levels (+ you can pick up on aspects on it from the level design itself, which is a good sign)

[wintry copper]

I know he also made maps for Eternal Doom though from what I've heard of it I'm scared to play it lol

[sharp wyvern]

i kinda like that wad

[wintry copper]

yea I do love its style and aesthetics, also the music

[flint flint]

Hello

[storm tapir]

Eternal is not to everyone's taste but it is really hard to find alternatives in its niche (big maps that don't care about walling you with puzzles)

Only really hate a few maps in it but the rest is good

[real zealot]

Я всех вас в рот ебал🫶🤲

[tough harbor]

Thy flesh Consumed canon?

[fallen kayak]

Yes

[woven swallow]

I am back on the hunt for more sourceports

[crystal hill]

find anything worth while?

[woven swallow]

CRY is pretty interesting

and also Helion

Cry is like a atari jaguar port for pcs, basically what it is

helion is hella fast on insanely large maps

[crystal hill]

I see

[woven swallow]

Nyan doom is pretty good, it's basically a dsda doom fork

Cherry doom too, fork of Nugget doom with some bits of Dsda features

[crystal hill]

I've heard of cherry doom and helion before

helion at least fills a niche, I'm not sure what the point of cherry is

[woven swallow]

VgreaseX feels like i found it in the dark web or something 😭

[crystal hill]

sounds like it too

[woven swallow]

Honestly it's just a simple Zdoom fork, but the things i had to get it working was absolute hell, and also the people behind working on it was....let's say very questionable

[crystal hill]

sounds less then pointless

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1473309213861351638/1506366877029503037/Screenshot_2026-05-20_011354.png?ex=6a0e00fa&is=6a0caf7a&hm=2732af60533a85e6d290df0a961f05bac602ffc0ed92afb209b63a574ac2bcdf

[livid light]

i didnt even know this port existed but it looks kinda cool

[livid light]

aw man… what did the devs do tho?

[slender scroll]

I dont know why but doom+doom2 was free to download on switch 2. So i got it and im playing legacy of rust,its really good

[woven swallow]

If I remember correctly, in the sourceport's "GitHub page", it's literally filled with a shit ton of slurs and other edgy stuff, the port is made by 4chan users after all

[livid light]

oh… nevermind what i said above then

[woven swallow]

Gotcha

[crystal hill]

The Mapwich 2 is pretty cool

I like the grabbag nature of it, as well as integrating Supercharge mechanics

Like a community project done right

[remote cedar]

I really like that the Doom and Doom II soundtracks are available on Spotify now but I wish there was a way to buy them and listen to them locally. Aside from that old DooM Music CD, do you guys know a way to do that?

[remote cedar]

I really don't want to use a Spotify downloader or something like that

I think it would be great if the soundtracks released on platforms where you can actually buy the soundtrack if you wish to, like Bandcamp or Amazon Music

Oh nevermind found it on Amazon Music

now how to buy this...

Oh and another thing. Don't you guys think Donna to the Rescue sounds a bit too fast compared to the original?

In the new release I mean

[crystal hill]

I like using bandcamp for buying tracks, its simple and no strings attached

Buy the music, and you have it

[remote cedar]

I too like to use Bandcamp but I did not find Bobby Prince's

so when I can't use Bandcamp I resort to Amazon Music in order to actually buy the music and own it

That's what I did for Idkfa back in 2024

[sharp wyvern]

bandcamp only has Sigil/Sigil II when it comes to doom doesnt it

[surreal cobalt]

Hello there!

[crystal hill]

Should probably ask in #classic-doom-maps-mods

[surreal cobalt]

Thank you!

[pine violet]

Something I find weird is that in the title screen and ending graphics for Doom 1

The Marine has black gloves

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1355284094317236467/1506630991803056179/UltimateDoom_title.gif?ex=6a0ef6f4&is=6a0da574&hm=f9dfcd1483409d8f5d4648d1811cb043f4daeb111e61b9820f325f1918acfb76&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1355284094317236467/1506631879799869480/latest.webp?ex=6a0ef7c8&is=6a0da648&hm=b8ed774bcfd520c7a9a7bb1364db6498cf27257700553828bbe1690cbc4f9c05&

[sharp wyvern]

you are sending a message link and not a media link

[pine violet]

Thx

[sharp wyvern]

whats odd about it

[pine violet]

In game the gloves are brown

[sharp wyvern]

fair

i think theyre black in tnt's intermission screen too

[bitter shoal]

Adrian's art can be inconsistent sometimes. That is also a different armor design and a different hairstyle. He also doesn't have gloves when using the fist weapon IIRC (though that can be chalked up to he takes it off for that)

[pine violet]

True he doesn't have gloves when he's punching lol

[twilit hornet]

I beat Go 2 it yippee

[crystal hill]

congrats!

[twilit hornet]

I mean not too impressive after beating Okuplok after like 400 deaths

At least

Either way Go 2 It was actually fun instead of just pure tortute

Torture*

[storm tapir]

Not just the gloves his entire outfit is different between the intro and the end artworks lol

[crystal hill]

ahhh

I could probably do that, with enough save scumming, but I have better things to do with my time, lol

[storm tapir]

Didn't someone else draw the big artworks?

Don Ivan Punchatz

[livid light]

afaik ivan only did the cover art

[twilit hornet]

Hey i made a ceramic art inspired by Gregor Punchatz! It's not done yet

[storm tapir]

sorry meant title art not big art lol

[storm tapir]

did you make an archvile with wings

[twilit hornet]

No, I made a DOOM (2016) Mancubus using his techniques. It's being fired for the first time right now, so next time, I glaze it and fire again.

But that would've been so cool

[mighty walrus]

post in #artwork please, thanks!

[twilit hornet]

I will when it's done!

Thanks for pointing me there

[mighty walrus]

I meant discuss in artwork please

[twilit hornet]

Oh ok but still thank you

[mighty walrus]

nw! Appreciate ya

[woven swallow]

How was your experience with playing okuplok

[twilit hornet]

I honestly wished I could turn the guns on myself after the 10TH CYBERDEMON IN ONE ROOM

[flint flint]

the okuplok experience:

[twilit hornet]

"I finally got the BFG!"
the ten thousand archviles waiting in the next room:

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress2-gif-20295501

[flint flint]

you can't have a giga slaughter map without 1 annoying archie swarm encounter

or many

mandatory indeed

[twilit hornet]

At least Go 2 It limited the Archie swarms to at most 5 archvilez

[flint flint]

good indeed.

[wintry copper]

the end of Demonic Hordes in AV just when I was thinking I was gravy:

[uneven tangle]

Plutonia is great dude

[undone sleet]

shotgun reload animation is very w (the shotgun not ssg)

[woven swallow]

I don't know mate, SSG feels smoother

[undone sleet]

Yes but the shotgun feels more smoother for me, anyways people have their own choices (no hate)

[woven swallow]

i see

[undone sleet]

Are you hating on me

[woven swallow]

very much nah man we chill

[undone sleet]

👍👍👍👍👍

[twilit hornet]

Yeah but hard af compared to base game

[undone sleet]

Bad dreamm

[woven swallow]

oh wait a second, you are from the doom community server right?

[undone sleet]

Yeahhh

[woven swallow]

Nice 👍

[undone sleet]

Okay bro

[halcyon willow]

Hey I made that c:
Well, ran the project

I still have plans for Mapwich 3 (and 4 for that matter) but time

Mapwich 2 is also fully Zandronumn compatible and thoroughly tested in (and designed for) coop

[halcyon willow]

Depends who made the music. I know Aubrey Hodges (PSX Doom, Doom 64 and a whole lot more) has his stuff on bandcamp

[autumn helm]

Classic never dies

[crystal hill]

oh, never mind then, I hate it

I appreciate GZDoom wads that, while using advanced GZDoom features, still feel like Doom, and not something completely different. That is fine and good, but I want a mixture of the two from time to time

[slender scroll]

Just finished legacy of rust. Really good game ngl. I just wish that it had a final boss unique monster

Some secrets were really tough to find tho

[sharp wyvern]

That would’ve been cool yeah

Given there are no ExM8 levels though I think it’s deliberate there’s no “bosses”

[pine violet]

Agreed

[pine violet]

Didn't they have a death room in the last level of the first episode

[sharp wyvern]

ya

[pine violet]

Don't see why they can't add a boss for the second episode then

[sharp wyvern]

well it’s not a boss in either is it

[bitter berry]

Do you guys recommend any doom wads?

[sharp wyvern]

Going Down

[woven swallow]

Exomoon, Ozonia, Lost civilization, Boomer beyond vanilla, Auger zenith, Neon overdrive, Eviternity 1 and 2

[pine violet]

Doom 64 in Doom 2 or Sigil

[twilit hornet]

Eviternity if you're actually good at the game.

[halcyon willow]

Eviternity ain't that hard

And it has well implemented difficulty settings

[crystal hill]

It is not that hard

I managed to get through it all, minus map 32, without too much trouble

[crystal hill]

here are some people haven' already mentioned - Plutonia 2, Overboard, Golden Souls 1 and 2, Skulldash

[median cloud]

K I finished SOD

Slightly easier than Scythe 2 but still rough

[woven swallow]

Nice 👍

what other mapsets are you looking forward to beat or are you gonna be taking a little break from play doom for a bit?

[median cloud]

I have a lot planned

Valiant, resurgence, eviternity

And sunlust

[woven swallow]

Great

which one are you gonna do first?

[median cloud]

Prob eviternity

Im also gonna do sunder map 31 sometime

[woven swallow]

Nice 👍

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1482018219169677332/1507043780639854722/Screenshot_2026-05-21_220331.png?ex=6a107764&is=6a0f25e4&hm=6d9c4c7e904ffda3a0953fd4306a1e4abd8f46e3f7c212b99082703d59cf7924 another fawking coomers map, less goo

[lament otter]

That kinda hard, but it looks fire man

Very good level

[woven swallow]

It's meant to be very hard 👍

[crystal hill]

whenever I get into a map playing rut nowadays, I play a few levels from my favourite wads to remind myself what I love about this game

[atomic dust]

so do you guys by any chance, remember which Civvie video had him saying this?
''there's probably more Revenants in Plutonia than there's stars in the sky''

[fallen kayak]

His video on The Plutonia Experiment itself, of course.

[woven swallow]

How i felt recommending my favorite mapsets to a newbie knowing full damn well they are hard af : https://tenor.com/view/karga-gif-926879162419293027

[sharp wyvern]

played a bit of Freedoom Phase 1 because someone put it on the very cool guy github

pretty sweet

[crystal hill]

I'm surprised the maps themselves, or even the project, have never got a cacoward

[rapid bolt]

just got doom 1 and 2!

idk how the episodes work tho

[woven swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/gotg-what-chris-pratt-starlord-guardians-of-the-galaxy-gif-11287925

[woven swallow]

nice 👍

[crystal hill]

what's your favourite doom 2 weapon and why isn't it the rocket launcher?

[woven swallow]

plasma gun

[crystal hill]

it feels satisfying to use, but using it means you aren't using ammo for the bfg

[woven swallow]

well.... Most maps rarely gives you the bfg so

[crystal hill]

but you know what they do give you?

[woven swallow]

I see your point... But plasma gun BEEEETER

[fierce dome]

https://youtu.be/9NRfzvXs8M8?si=TGm9PvMBiuf8qTyG Here, im use classic doom visual in the real world

[crystal hill]

Plasma cant deal with arch viles as well

Especially when they're in crowds

[woven swallow]

Really bro 💀

[crystal hill]

Yeah really

the rocket's burst damage is better for an enemy like an arch vile

[woven swallow]

I mean sure yes but like... It depends on the map and what situation you are in, y'know?

....both weapons are great, they have their own pros and cons, end of story

[crystal hill]

of course, but I think the rocket launcher is better in more situations

[woven swallow]

Y'know what, yes I agree 👍

[crystal hill]

also, gibs

[woven swallow]

.... y'know.... It's been a long time since I sat down to enjoy a custom doom mapset

[crystal hill]

Running Late 2 gets a recommendation from me (halfway in)

it doesn't reinvent the wheel, and its not uber hard, but it does everything well

[woven swallow]

Oh I remember that mapset

I downloaded it like... Last year and forgot to play it 💀

[crystal hill]

its worth a play imo

[woven swallow]

Well, I might pause on index grinding for a moment

[crystal hill]

That's on my Doom to do list, once I finish all these bloody cacowards

[woven swallow]

It's gonna be weird finding a secret that has useful stuff, instead finding 1 health bonus and then 500 revenants appearing 😭

[crystal hill]

I'm not going for anything tough, but finishing all the beginner and fairweather maps seems like something achievable for me

[woven swallow]

Can't wait to see you join the doomed index in 2030

[crystal hill]

I think it'll be early-mid 2027

I've got 6 years left (7 if you count the 2026 cacowards), but 5 or 6 of those are going to be uber massive time commitments

if the 2021 - 2026 cacowards were as small as the 2020 one, I'd be somewhat confident I could finish them by christmas

[woven swallow]

Hell yeah

[crystal hill]

That being said, I do hope they get better

In the late 2000s to the mid 2010s were the best cacoward years IMO. Lots of really good wads coming out pretty consistently

[cunning compass]

Just got myself killed because I shot a barrel while trying to shoot a mancubus 😔

[wintry copper]

a familiar predicament

[median cloud]

Eviternity map 15 is really good

Not looking forward to Evi32 tho

[crystal hill]

Evi map 15 is cool but I suck at it so its bad

[pliant osprey]

someone for a pvp

[fallow sparrow]

Not like they Select awards for quality

Necromatic thrist should be a big example of this

[crystal hill]

thats a mid 2020s one, and one I havent played'

I hope it is good though, I've grown fond of the french doom projects

[sharp wyvern]

someone sent me mods that add intermission maps to TFC, Sigil, Sigil II and Doom II

https://tenor.com/view/zac-o-yama-college-humor-finally-zac-yama-gif-731813591508771510

[crystal hill]

I'm surprised it took that long

[woven swallow]

wait wha

really bro

[fallow sparrow]

No really and with full honesty, it's one of the worst wads I've played, it's about as low quality as the old shovelware master levels

[crystal hill]

bullshit

[fallow sparrow]

I played 23 levels and it was still just dogshit techbases with some green

[crystal hill]

I can probably count on both my hands the amount of wads I've played that are inferior to the master levels

[woven swallow]

nah 💀

[sharp wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642730879852085281/1507757432150167643/image.png.1067a571145b12c4c59755d7e855f0c8.png?ex=6a131008&is=6a11be88&hm=5dcb76568059946ad9d4ef7074323bcea6693577cfac746ee3c71ea834e2eb2f&
this looks goooooood

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epic embed recovery

[crystal hill]

seriously though I can't imagine for a moment this being master levels tier

[woven swallow]

dude don't get me wrong, opinions exist... but really??? Comparing to fawking masterlevels

[crystal hill]

the master levels suck ASS. This wad cannot be on that same level

[fallow sparrow]

Yes, if you played the wad you'll get it

[sharp wyvern]

I might have to check it out because you said it sucks

[crystal hill]

this opinion is so insane I'm going to break my cacoward timeline and play it

[fallow sparrow]

It has no ammo, you're always forced to go fists with revenants, the map has no Weapon or really any map variety, and the promised theme only comes up extremely late into the megawad

[crystal hill]

berserk maps? oh boy!¬

[fallow sparrow]

And it also spams chaingunguys since the very moment you enter the first room

[crystal hill]

plutonia? oh boy!

[woven swallow]

brudda, i will not be screaming like a banshee, coming up to you going all that if i myself haven't played it fully 💀

[fallow sparrow]

It doesn't give you berserk too, I think I had it twice?

[crystal hill]

stop selling me on this wad, I'm already going to play it

[fallow sparrow]

Still not as false advertising as Ouroboros

Which somehow tops this god awful map design

[woven swallow]

Don't believe his bs, necromantic thirst is a good wad 👍

[fallow sparrow]

You can have your awful opinions, I played my fair share of it to know

[woven swallow]

the problems i faced was performance issues (which was later fixed on the final release), and lastly the later maps started becoming a drag to play (what i mean is the fact if you don't like INSANELY long maps, it's gonna be a drag to play of course)

[crystal hill]

oh, that could be an issue

the insanely long maps, I mean

[woven swallow]

it runs perfectly fine now on my end, the real issue for me is, the fights aren't really good, and the fact that the maps are sunder levels of long

[crystal hill]

that being said, map 1 of necromantic thirst is better than anything or almost anything I've played in the master levels

[woven swallow]

yeah that

[crystal hill]

the obligatory darkwave map seems fucking massive

he wasn't like this back in Speed of Doom, what happened?

[mellow matrix]

I think it's just a side effect of working with French DooMers. They loooooooove their outrageously long maps

[crystal hill]

they made three seperate speedmapping projects, with really short maps

and darkwave, in every single one of them, makes a magnus opus type thing

[fallow sparrow]

How are any of them speedmaps 💀💀💀

[crystal hill]

I was talking about different mapsets 😑

3 heures d'agonie

[mellow matrix]

I'm pretty sure in the text files Darkwave usually mentions that he either ignores the speedmap rules or realllly stretches their definitions

slight tangent but his secret map in Resurgence is also gigantic

[crystal hill]

I used to think Darkwave held back Joshy's more sadistic tendancies in Speed of Doom

now? I think Joshy held back Darkwave's chronic magnumopusitis in Speed of Doom

[merry shoal]

brutal doom anyone?

[woven swallow]

good mod, but i don't like it 👍

[crystal hill]

Good mod, I only really like it with the hell on earth starter pack

[merry shoal]

what about spectacle creep

[crystal hill]

I have a deadly allergy to E1 Doom wads

I have played so so many of them and now I am sick to death of then

[median cloud]

died twice at the end fight of eviternity map 32 ughhhhhh

[fallow sparrow]

My crappy mod is done, but I don't think I'll continue it past v1

Maybe I'll do a v1.5

[woven swallow]

Will you release it? 👀

[fallow sparrow]

I don't think it's good enough, or at all, plus it has no custom sprites or sounds, just the base doom2 stuff

But hey, it was programmed entirely on a phone

If I ever do want to make a second mod, I'll be sure to draw sprites for it, I don't call myself a pixel artist for no reason

[woven swallow]

I don't mind

[sullen tinsel]

Hey gang! I make doom maps and i need someone to give me feefback! Anyone wanna test it? :D

[woven swallow]

sure

[sullen tinsel]

YAY

can i dm you the wad file?

[woven swallow]

yes

[fringe bone]

does anyone having problems with brutaldoom? im using brutaldoom v22 and it seems it doesnt have map21

[sharp wyvern]

The Broken Ones from the Doom PSX OST...

https://klipy.com/gifs/monkey-music-monkey-1

[polar thunder]

V22 test6?

[nova tendon]

i tried it it has all maps

[fringe bone]

yes

[polar thunder]

Me too. I switched back to V22test4

[fringe bone]

after I finished map20 the next map was psmap16-unnamed

[polar thunder]

After I finished Map 20, the game simply ended as if I have beaten the whole game.

[fringe bone]

i just cleared map20 and the next map was weird without keys and just enemies

[fringe bone]

so its brutaldoom mod fault?

[polar thunder]

Maybe it's just us

I haven't seen anybody else besides you and me having this issue

[cunning compass]

Just walked around in a circle on 6% health for a minute trying to avoid a singular revenant homing shot 😔

[fringe bone]

bummer i just got this game and used uzdoom cauz im having graphical glitches when played with kex engine

[polar thunder]

I personally use GZDoom

[nova tendon]

use UZdoom its better

its way better than GZ

personally dont play the unity port and the kex remaster

they both are bad

play the original vanilla doom

DOSbox version

or through chocolate doom or mbf

[fringe bone]

there's 3 different doom2.wads where should i get? base/doxbox/rerelease

[nova tendon]

dm me for the exe and wads

i will help u

[fringe bone]

i already bought the game but im confused which doom2 iwad im gonna grab idk if they're the same overall and which one is approriate for playing with brutal doom

[nova tendon]

ok so there are the new iwads and the old iwads

the old ones are in the base dosbox folder

and the new ones are in the rerelease folder

for playing mods like brutal doom use a simple launcher like zdl

put the source port, iwad and the mod to load directly

[fringe bone]

im pretty much confused why after finishing map20 in doom2 the next map was psmap16-hellgate which exist in doom1 console version

[nova tendon]

use the old iwad

then

[fringe bone]

i thought brutal doom is compatible with gzdoom/uzdoom?

[nova tendon]

bro zdl is a launcher not a sourcepor

sourceport

its used for launching mods

just watch a video it will be helpful

[polar thunder]

I use ZDL too. Especially when I want to play multible mods at the same time

[silver parcel]

ZDL is my personal fav mod launcher

[mint egret]

what is doomslayers bio..

[crystal hill]

I dont think theres much difference at the moment

They havent diverged from each other yet. Give it a few big updates first

[sharp wyvern]

Plutonia Midi Pack 💚

[crystal hill]

I need to play with that some day

[woven swallow]

you haven't played with it 💀 ?

[crystal hill]

Nope

I tend to play wads vanilla, no additions or anything

[median cloud]

Same

I dont use midi packs either

[crystal hill]

Running Late 2 is a neat lil mapset

Has a mix of meh levels as well as really good ones. The oil rig one in particular has some great fights

[crystal hill]

I just realised some 2020 special features werent included on the wiki, so I have more stuff I need to play 💀

[rotund glen]

Guys any new idea mod for Doom I+II? I started into mod for new I only played Luna Game 3D,Brutal Doom and fractured world

[woven swallow]

check your dms, i sent you a list of mods :>

[rotund glen]

Oki

That's a lot mods thanks

[vale void]

im playing the older games rn
is tfc in doom 1 canon
/is it really a sin if i skip it and just go to doom 2? played a few missions and tbh im not really feeling it

[crystal hill]

it is canon, but there's nothing wrong with skipping it

you're the one playing it, you choose what and how you playt

[vale void]

are the mods for I any good? i decided to replay all games in release order, with the exception of 2016 as i believe its not in the gamepass i bougt

[vale void]

sure just wanted to get some opinions on the episode

[rotund glen]

What type things do you like?

[vale void]

significant increase in difficulty but it's pretty much beatable

[rotund glen]

Like if you love gore brutal doom would be perfect and if you want be cruel pyshco pink valley works

[vale void]

im very very open, i think id replay the games without mods first, but after that im going back to doom 1-2 to play some mods as that's a thing i have never done actually

[rotund glen]

That is whole point of mod bro

Mod supposed to be way different than game what you expected

[crystal hill]

I dont think he was asking for that though

if I ask for a doom mod, I want to play a mod that resembles doom

[vale void]

that kills people or something like that

[woven swallow]

YES

the mods are PEAKKK

[rotund glen]

Yes but the reason I call it cruel I cannot tell it here because it goes against server rules

[woven swallow]

SUPER PEAK

[crystal hill]

you could try recommending something else then

[rotund glen]

@woven swallow has gave real true fact.

Luna Game 3D is best Horror mod for me

[vale void]

i mean ik what direction the mod is headed, and many people got into doom just to live out that fantasy of theirs lmao but it does look interesting

[crystal hill]

if you want to replay the story/setting of doom 1 with a gameplay change, brutal doom hell on earth starter pack is excellent

[vale void]

does it change something or is it just an increase in gore?

[crystal hill]

far more enjoyable than regular doom 1 or 2 if you ask me

[vale void]

/should i take a look at it myself

[crystal hill]

changes all the levels, adds new enemies and weapons, reloading, etc

[vale void]

does sound pretty cool

i think i will get on it once i do a walk through the series

[woven swallow]

You should play Magnolia :>

[vale void]

appreciate the recommendations

[woven swallow]

Top all time favorite wads
1 Eviternity 2
2 Sunder
3 Lost Civilization
4 Sunlust
5 Fractured worlds
6 Magnolia
7 Ad mortem
8 Antaresian Reliquary
9 Preacher
10 Ozonia

that's my list

[vale void]

all classic or partially compatible with doom 2?

[crystal hill]

oh, lost civilisation

[vale void]

also some mildly funny thing i noticed in the I+II edition is, if you're playing doom II and got your saves, you see your saves in DOOM I as well, so you can technically load your doom I save, not even having to exit doom 2 by going back to the title screen

[woven swallow]

they are more advanced than the original doom, they use a different engine to make those mapsets

[woven swallow]

yeah it's kinda annoying 😭

[vale void]

i accidentally overwrote my doom I save trying to save the game before i hopped off lmao

not that it was important but still weird

[vale void]

i should probably watch a tutorial on setup of said engine i'm reading?

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/L94DpMsIf7k a good tutorial not made by me

it's a little outdated and there's some points i wish bro said more clearly in the video too, so... yeah

[vale void]

even if it was yours, wouldn't mind the advertisement as long as it's helpful lol

much appreciated though

[ionic valve]

ok

[nova tendon]

what about btsx and ancient aliens

kenny true doomer

https://tenor.com/view/dab-me-up-dab-me-up-but-something-beautiful-is-missing-gif-8902167673945806588

[crystal hill]

ancient aliens is excellent, btsx is overrated

[nova tendon]

yes but its good

[crystal hill]

ehhhh

maybe, but I really dont like it

[nova tendon]

whats ur fav

[crystal hill]

2nd one is better but still not great

[crystal hill]

Going Down, Plutonia 2, Auger Zenith

[nova tendon]

intresting

plutonia best

[crystal hill]

plutonia is really good, especially for its time

[nova tendon]

ive played so many doom wads ive litrellay nothing left

can anyone suggest me new stuff

[crystal hill]

there's always more to play

look through the cacoward winners if you need some recommendations

[nova tendon]

doomworld

ive seen it

gotta switch to wolf 3d mods now

[crystal hill]

I sent you a dm with a list

[nova tendon]

played everything

leaving action doom 2

[crystal hill]

everything?

[nova tendon]

yes

[crystal hill]

I've got some really obscure stuff in there

[nova tendon]

mb not played everything

lol

luv you man

thanks for the recs

daddy

[median cloud]

@crystal hill u know playing through eviternity again

I kinda get your point

A lot of maps feel meh to get through and annihilators are a pain

[crystal hill]

yeeees... let the hate flow through you

I think I will like it more on a replay, not less tbh

[slender scroll]

Playing doom2 master levels and black tower was really good, definitely one of my fav maps

[sharp wyvern]

do the rpgs count as classic doom?

[median cloud]

Black Tower is good

[sharp wyvern]

lots of wads do this for some reason

doom zero reanimated it

[crystal hill]

Its handy for pistol starting

so even then you start off with a goodish weapon every time

most of the other weapons are fine

It gets old for people, seeing them over and over in wads, but they're classics

[calm cradle]

What account

Sorry, didn't realize you were the center of the universe

your account was banned from here for a wad you posted?

[sharp wyvern]

........like... fuck... or?

[calm cradle]

Fucking dumbass

[sharp wyvern]

I KNOW RIGHT LMAO

[elder sage]

What happened

[crystal hill]

To be honest, this guy being the same one from before makes complete sense

Based on his behaviour

[mighty walrus]

[livid light]

a guy with his alt asked why he got banned for posting a very questionable wad he made (twice apparently, vega warned him but he did it again)

[elder sage]

How questionable was this wad?

[calm cradle]

Questionable enough that it got him banned

[sharp wyvern]

i think they do actually maybe

[elder sage]

I see

[sharp wyvern]

i'd count resurrection as 3 era doom and mighty as nudoom

[crystal hill]

technically yes, but practically no

when I say "boy, I love classic Doom!", odds are I haven't even heard of the rpgs, let alone have played them

[sharp wyvern]

well true

you can love something without playing all of it though

[crystal hill]

I guess?

but to engage maximum pedantry, wouldn't the RPG's focus on story put them closer to Doom 3 than the classics?

that and the time of their release

[sharp wyvern]

would you count legacy of rust as classic?

[sharp wyvern]

mmmm idk

[crystal hill]

tough question, I don't know if I count it as a game

[livid light]

i mean its kinda like a mod so technically i wouldnt even count it as a game

[sharp wyvern]

it is true that doom rpg does focus on story more but thats cause its in the rpg genre

it uses classic stuff

[crystal hill]

isnt there a malcolm bertruger type guy in there?

[sharp wyvern]

uhh yeah but thats just a thing every doom does by now

[crystal hill]

its not somethings the classics do 🤓

[sharp wyvern]

erm actually quake 3 alluded to the presence of there being one in the classic games..

[crystal hill]

not a doom game, statement ignored

[sharp wyvern]

youre not a doom game

[livid light]

the real doom game was the demons we killed along the way…

[sharp wyvern]

rules is a demon yeah

[crystal hill]

demons are cool though

arch viles especially

[median cloud]

@crystal hill Eviternity map 19: Dehydration is really good but very very loooooong

He also patched the toxic annihilator in the brown sewer section that teleports away

it used to tp behind you iirc

[crystal hill]

oh christ

yeah, dehydration sort of got me back on board with eviternity.

[sharp wyvern]

ngl its kinda surprising none of the classic expansions did this

[crystal hill]

they aren't story focused at all

so there's no need for a betruger type

[sharp wyvern]

yeah but like they have excuse plots

[crystal hill]

exactly

and so shoehorning in an ultimate big bad that isnt a demon would be extra effort

[sharp wyvern]

like im surprised there isnt one with like "wowee this guy is evil" on text screen 1 and then after you kill like. the IoS in map30 text screen 3 is like "you killed the guy!! (who had become a demon)"

given how much they love to reuse that plotline

[crystal hill]

NRFTL is content to give you another cyberdemon to kill

I'm not sure what LoR does

[sharp wyvern]

LoR is basically just Go Kill These Demons

[crystal hill]

simple but effective

[sharp wyvern]

nrftl but its identical but the ending text screen says its a dude who turned into a cyberdemon

[sharp wyvern]

the ending feels story-focused but it isn't story-focused it just feels like it if you know what i mean

[crystal hill]

seems like a needless complication

like, they could have done that, but ehhh

[crystal hill]

yeah, it makes it seem like there's been a big overarching story until that point

[sharp wyvern]

LoR's level design also like

like the detail lets them put in more """"story""""

[sharp wyvern]

oh yeah obviously current nrftl is better that was just an example of how i'd picture an id expansion doing it in practice

there would be a """human antagonist""" (only mentioned in text screens) and then the reused bossfight be it a baron/cybie/spider/ios would be "the guy" in text screen 3

[crystal hill]

I was thinking I would go to sleep semi early but instead I'm downloading zandronum to get one single wad working properly

[sharp wyvern]

more productive use of your time

[crystal hill]

kind of. a bunch of other wads use Zandronum, so its a time investment for the future

[crystal hill]

environmental storytelling, I get you

[crystal hill]

well, that seems more convoluted than just saying "yeah that cyberdemon is actually a cyberdemon and you killed it good job"

[sharp wyvern]

well of course

[sharp wyvern]

they should bring this guy back

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1374256432660221984/1508660942198669447/Doom_II_RPG_Pinkynator.png?ex=6a16597e&is=6a1507fe&hm=62f51b9e96fd21aef81446293eaf20337917467a2281939da53f4b7e144971ae&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=258&height=145

[uneven tangle]

What the fuck is that?

[sharp wyvern]

Pinkynator, bossfight from Doom II RPG

It works by spitting acid at the player and summoning Pinkies, it's implied to be the source of them

[uneven tangle]

Oh

[woven swallow]

hello, Kenny here

[slender scroll]

Finished doom 2 master levels. Imo they are better than the base game levels but from what i have searched online iknow its a very unpopular opinion

Now all i have left is tnt,plutonia,sigill and sigill 2. Doing everything on ultra violence and triple 100% if i can. So far very few levels was not possible to triple 100%

I was stuck for a good 2 hours or so in the elevator to hell level cause i had no idea how to get to the secret exit,had to look it up lol

[woven swallow]

IWAD: Doom2.wad
PWAD: Magnolia.wad
Download link: https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Magnolia
Complevel: 09
Source port: Prboom+ UMAPINFO
Author: Ribbiks

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1475609172086362143/1475609270501380219/Screenshot_Doom_20260220_162129.png?ex=6a16bcf9&is=6a156b79&hm=d46066188d9d085ad13dc2915fba58fe7e7c58acddd5965f075760fbe2f05952&

I think i posted this wad before here, i think, might be wrong

[crystal hill]

No shot, really??

[woven swallow]

Still one of my all time favorite wads

[woven swallow]

really 💀

[crystal hill]

Doom 2 has some rough levels in it, but master levels is just rough levels with rare nuggets of "tolerable"

[woven swallow]

you saw trash and found a spec of GOLD!???

well... glad you enjoyed playing it

[sharp wyvern]

I don’t enjoy many levels from either

[crystal hill]

Playing Master Levels on the kex port recently was just misery

Dr Sleep's levels were acceptable, Mustaine made a decent one thats about it for what I enjoyed

[median cloud]

Yeah thats a very unpopular opinion haha I think the master levels are horrible on average

black tower and elevator express to hell are good

Out of all the WADs Ive played the master levels are my lowest rated one

[hearty turtle]

Hey guys .... I created my own mod .... trap doom 2 .... Right now I'm sitting here, waiting for players.... Anyone wanna join? Doom + Doom 2 - Modname: Trap Doom 2 - Current Level: Map 01 - Exitway ....

I'll wait for 13 minutes for someone to join I guess....

Would love to see someone join, and play a few maps

[coral crystal]

What’s the best way to play these games for the first time?

[crystal hill]

Doom 1 + 2 on Steam isn't bad

[uneven tangle]

And then afterwards, 64 is also on Steam

[crystal hill]

yeah, but that's a bad way to play the games for the first time, because you're playing Doom 64

[uneven tangle]

64 is peak, what are you even talking about

[crystal hill]

I dislike it quite heavily

my least favourite classic doom, if we aren't counting master levles

[uneven tangle]

Maybe you should like it anyways

[crystal hill]

maybe I shouldnt

its just too slow, too dark, the music is too samey, the levels don't stick out from each other much (and are filled with too much backtracking(

[median cloud]

Its the only doom I never finished

Well that and eternal but I got close in eternal

[crystal hill]

I've finished it twice. And now I'll have to do it a third time for a replay

but I'm playing continuously because thats how the game's supposed to be played

[median cloud]

I like the void map atleast

Looks cool

[crystal hill]

thats the one and only one I remember fondly

[native anchor]

UZDOOM vs KexEngine
Which are you picking?

[crystal hill]

personally, UZDoom. Would recommend Kex to others though

[native anchor]

To me, UZDOOM is just the right AIO kind of sourceport. Jack of all trades type, but mostly a master at modding.

KexEngine is kind of like Crispy Doom or Woof but super charged. albeit some exploits like grabbing things behind walls can't be done.

(UZDOOM also patched those exploits)

[sharp wyvern]

2/4 of what you listed are good things

[crystal hill]

ehhh

Im sure some would like those things, I dont

[sharp wyvern]

I love PSX/64 music I’ve lowk been listening to it every day lately

[verbal iron]

[sudden sparrow]

is it difficult to plat doom 1 and 2

[woven swallow]

No

[sharp wyvern]

sorry vega

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642730879852085281/1509023445726396446/image.png?ex=6a17ab19&is=6a165999&hm=f7e16405540e074e8d4c5b7083f6c4d9d3e54dfe55903ed19d423a61f1bef07a&

which classic doom boss monster do you guys like the most

[uneven tangle]

Mother Demon

[sharp wyvern]

gameplay wise none of them are particularly special so yeah mother demon is probably the best since she requires a tiny bit of brainpower

[sharp wyvern]

btw i dont actually count the archvile because hes in no formal boss levels but theres a boss-like archvile in the master levels so i threw him in for fun

[uneven tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-true-launch-the-true-doom-launch-the-true-gif-17039720600748597696

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/MnGKTQG5vLM

after 5 billion years i did it, another important video for classic doom archived, worth it 👍

[crystal hill]

man oh man, I wish he'd made more of these

[sharp wyvern]

this is so good

[woven swallow]

i also archived his How To Doom: Revenants video as well

[crystal hill]

very nice

I didn't know he deleted them

[woven swallow]

so sad, so sad indeed

[median cloud]

k finished Evitenity and am playing Valiant now

another mbf wad zzz

[tough harbor]

icon of sin pacifist...

[crystal hill]

what do you mean?

[median cloud]

its the complevel used for the mappack

it affects the gameplay with mbf since it alters doom monster ai iirc

[crystal hill]

is that a bad thing?

There's a map in 180 Minutes Pour Vivre that would have a guaranteed spot on the 100 most memorable maps list if it only came out earlier

it's a map with some sections inaccessible depending on your difficulty - you get a different key and main weapon in each

the gameplay's nothing crazy and the lower difficulties are too easy (not surprising), but the concept alone is almost perfect

[median cloud]

Yes

[crystal hill]

why?

[median cloud]

cuz im used to certain ruleset of AI

[crystal hill]

its not that bad

nice to have a little difference in doom sometimes

[hexed escarp]

yeah but the mbf infighting mechanics are terrible

[crystal hill]

They are? I've never had issues

[median cloud]

u also have never adjusted comp levels afaik lol

[crystal hill]

well no, but I dont see why infight mechanics would differ

[hexed escarp]

because the original mbf source port changed how infighting worked a bit

so if you have the mbf complevel enabled, it enables the mbf infighting mechanics

but mbf21 reverted those changes because they sucked

[crystal hill]

what're those changes?

[hexed escarp]

enemies will sometimes randomly forget who they are infighting and go back to targetting the player without warning

and also its harder to get enemies to infight

[halcyon willow]

Technically possible

Yep. Zeromaster did it the way I thought was possible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpmPLrpGSos

[tough harbor]

mit tas

[elder sage]

Just started DOOM+DOOM II, any tips?

[twin burrow]

You probably don't need to save rockets as much as you think. I had enough left over for e1m8 that it made the barons kinda easy.
Except for the icon of sin, you do need rockets for that. They're really useful.
Also don't use them on lost souls or pinkies. It will probably take them out, they're just good enough at closing distance that the splash damage might take you out too.

[twin burrow]

oh yeah and the icon of sin platform actually is taller than the height you're supposed to shoot rockets into its brain at, so you have to time it before the platform reaches the top.

[sharp wyvern]

broo spoilers

[median cloud]

Always run set to on

[halcyon willow]

Yes it is a TAS run

Which is why I said technically possible

[distant yarrow]

W tip

[stark idol]

Playing Doom 1 rn, the definitely the oldest game I've played lol

[crystal hill]

1993 isn't that old, there's some older stuff worth playing

[woven swallow]

whatever you do, at the game's menu selection, never play the master levels

[wintry copper]

yeah like good old Pong 😂

[slender scroll]

At map 26 of tnt. This expansion sucks ngl

Cant wait to just finish it and then start plutonia that i have heard good things about

[median cloud]

Opinions are def divided on tnt but I think it gets better on replay

[crystal hill]

we'll see about that

[fallen kayak]

TNT: Evilution for me stands out for having lower-quality and seemingly not thought-out enough maps in spite of having a longer production time than Plutonia.

[crystal hill]

I think the planning was just not there for a coherent megawad

Milo and Dario were two guys, and two brothers at that. They no doubt coordinated their efforts a lot better

they also playtested their maps a lot

[fallen kayak]

Whatever went on with TeamTNT at the time of Final Doom's development felt like "too many cooks in the kitchen".

[slender scroll]

Some levels were really cool,but the rest nah,its all hitscan hell. But its a different way to play doom so i can appreciate it for that.

[median cloud]

It has some really cool atmospheric levels imo

Map 07, map 20 etc

[sharp wyvern]

Should’ve been perditions gate there instead

[median cloud]

Yeah basically making infighting a lot more convoluted

[median cloud]

Ehhh

Maybe I should play that one as well

[crystal hill]

I played an episode of that or so

above average for the time it came out

[forest vapor]

its just so inconsistent

[forest vapor]

plutonia is a really good expansion but its a bit harder

[sharp wyvern]

It kinda falls off in the middle but solid ending levels

[halcyon willow]

The issue with TNT is more that it tried to be too experimental. For Plutonia the Casalis focused almost purely on game play, certainly gameplay first. And they had a healthy competition to see who could make the meanest map lol. It's kind of first principles of fun which means Plutonia still plays well today even if the visuals have dated.
TNT is waaay more left field. And sometime it works. Wormhole is great map with a cool gimmick that works to this day. And then you have Habitat lol. The other difference is Plutonia is all largely abstract settings but TNT tries extremely hard to embody "real" places, hence the TNT truck (which tbf is iconic). The attempts at realism are at the expense of fun gameplay however, and the wad suffers for that

If you want to see the idea of TNT take to the next level, Eternal Doom is that. Undeniably impressive and conceptually nuts, its gameplay is ..... polarising to say the least