classic-doom

[silent pumice]

I remember the first time I heard Mouth for War after playing DOOM and going 'Waitaminute'

[wise gulch]

THEY RELEASED THE SOUNDTRACK OF DOOM 1 AND 2 ON MAJOR PLATFORMS

[median cloud]

Yeaaaaah

[wise gulch]

That makes Eternal the only mainline Doom game to not have a fully released soundtrack

[sonic terrace]

really?

let me check

they didnt dude

its not on the steam page

[crystal hill]

thats not what he meant

[sonic terrace]

then what does he mean?

[crystal hill]

they're on spotify

[wise gulch]

Major MUSIC platforms

[sonic terrace]

ahhh, ok

[solemn socket]

Yea that's doom 2!
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1090377996822663290/1502370194679533638/image.png?ex=69ff76c7&is=69fe2547&hm=e8dcf9b3830dc4562aec341ace352aca8298c463918a150ad93520fa84b7b5a6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[crystal hill]

the actual doom 2 IS on there

[inland veldt]

I think it would be really funny to get the doom 2 haircut

[solemn socket]

Why would you get yourself a 24 map unit staircase haircut?

[inland veldt]

“Make it look like my head got bit off by a shark”

[wise gulch]

Search Bobby Prince

[rugged blaze]

No way, Getter

That Space Laces collab is rad

[crimson beacon]

I finally completed Mt Erebus at 100%

[sharp wyvern]

Doom 3

[wise gulch]

I thought Doom 3 wasn’t mainline since it wasn’t canon

[sharp wyvern]

well are we talking main entries or main continuity

[bitter shoal]

DOOM 3 has... 3 in the name. As mainline as it gets regardless of continuity.

[elder sage]

Should I play doom three?

[bitter shoal]

I personally wasn't thrilled by what I had played but YMMV, it was cheap enough to try out at least

[elder sage]

Is…anyone gonna answer my question?

[bitter shoal]

I just did?

[elder sage]

oh you did

Ok thx

[sonic terrace]

i never played doom 3

it doesnt look that interesting

[elder sage]

Yeah

I don’t think it honestly is like…worth it tho
Just wanted somebody’s opinion

[sonic terrace]

i just moved onto classic doom mods after i finished doom + doom 2

[sharp wyvern]

I like it so I think it’s worth it

[elder sage]

I’m still very unsure
It kinda feels like a horror halo mod

-# no offense

[sonic terrace]

it is like horror

but action horror

i think

[elder sage]

it doesn’t feel like my cup of tea tho…wait I think I made my point

[sharp wyvern]

Its action horror the later levels are pretty much just action

[sharp wyvern]

Doom 3 feels like Half Life mixed with Doom and Quake 4 feels like Halo mixed with Quake

I like both 🤷‍♀️

[elder sage]

I see your point

But I’ve made my final decision:
I enjoy talking about it, but I will not play doom 3

[sonic terrace]

im not planning on playingg it anytime soon

[sharp wyvern]

:<

[sharp cosmos]

eviternity 1 and 2 are the best doom wads

[lapis carbon]

[grizzled island]

Is there a way to get doom on my phone without having to actually pay?

[crystal hill]

Yeah

Its a mixed bag for me, leaning positive, but some folks really like it

[dire canyon]

Re: Doom 3 (and I just saw there’s a separate chat for that, but since it came up here), it has a kind of goofy appeal for me, I really like the look of it, and some bits are really tense and exciting. Another touchstone is System Shock, and I like the light immersive sim elements that are in there. But it’s a very different game to ‘classic Doom’ (1&2) and no way near as good IMO

[woven swallow]

bro's confidence is immense if he can say shit like this in the official doom server

[sonic terrace]

if there is a gzdoom or uzdoom mobile port, you can download the doom 1 and doom 2 wads "somewhere" on the internet and play them

[sonic terrace]

didnt play eviternity 2 yet

is it any good?

like better than eviternity 1?

[median cloud]

Its good yeah same style as Eviternity 1

Much harder though imo

[sonic terrace]

is the final boss gonna have hordes of demon like last time?

[median cloud]

More in waves iirc

One big boss that goes dormant then monster wave

[sonic terrace]

iirc? what is that?

[median cloud]

If I remember correctly

[sonic terrace]

thanks

[woven swallow]

BEEETER

[sharp wyvern]

yk technically master levels has its own ost given it's the only one to have unique songs in final doom psx

[crystal hill]

considering its psx doom music, I don't imagine it will be very good

[sharp wyvern]

how dare you

i love psx doom music

[crystal hill]

because I'm right

[sharp wyvern]

ambient tracks 💜

[sonic terrace]

i never listened to psx doom soundtrack

[crystal hill]

ambient tracks 💔

[sonic terrace]

is it that bad?

[crystal hill]

boring

all the music blends together

[sharp wyvern]

it's good

just a completely diff vibe to the original games

[crystal hill]

it doesnt fit in with the gameplay imo

you're too capable of tearing through everything

[sharp wyvern]

i can sort of agree with that

[sonic terrace]

yeah

[sharp wyvern]

but the same applies to Quake 1 and i love the ost there too

[sonic terrace]

i listened to a small portion of it, and it doesnt fit doom

[sharp wyvern]

my favourite is probably the song for Attack

[sharp wyvern]

saying this when literally 4 doom games have a soundtrack like this is a lil bold :p

[crystal hill]

Doom 64's sucks too

[sonic terrace]

it doesnt fit classic doom soundtrack

[crystal hill]

Doom 3's is more ambient but thats a different style of game altogether

[sonic terrace]

classic doom games are fast and energetic, it just doesnt fit it

[sharp wyvern]

the psx games have a bigger focus on atmosphere in more than music

[sonic terrace]

i can tell

[sharp wyvern]

dimmer lighting for a start

[sonic terrace]

but you finish the levels fast

[sharp wyvern]

the amount of time on average it would take you to beat a master level or a final doom level first try would be the amount of time a psx doom track lasts

[median cloud]

Psx dooms soundtrack is used on God Machine and fits like a glove

I dont mind the soundtrack itself but a lot of tracks get repeated

[sharp wyvern]

yeah

some of them are kinda whatever but some of them have really stuck with me

the ambience for attack is really good, and in doom 64 theres "the madness", "crystalline chaos" and "lamentation of the forgotten" which are pretty memorable for me

[sharp wyvern]

<@&162901871168585728>

[crystal hill]

playing some Mock 2 now - the MtPain video is far more fun than playing the wad myself

it is surprisingly playable for a jokewad though

[grizzled island]

How did doom 1 get so popular in the 90s despite it's terrible graphics?

[crystal hill]

[spark torrent]

fun

[crystal hill]

my brother in christ, do you know what was coming out around that time?

[bitter shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/its-a-trick-send-no-reply-its-a-trick-send-no-reply-star-wars-phantom-menace-gif-850704628497316994

[crystal hill]

some people are just that clueless though

[rugged blaze]

The graphics were great for its time, mostly cuz of the creativity

Like the sprites? Oh my god are they awesome, they put so much into them for having so few pixels to work with

[grizzled island]

Graphics look very 2d and not realistic

[grizzled island]

Sprites are like 5 pixels each

[rugged blaze]

I don't know what to tell you

[crystal hill]

it looked good for the time

if you can't accept that, then I don't think its worth having this convo

[grizzled island]

Cod mw3 released a couple years after that

And that looks much better

[crystal hill]

never mind you were right

[rugged blaze]

True

Ragebait alert

[grizzled island]

What do you mean ragebait?

[bitter shoal]

bbl gonna play some Akalabeth or Faceball 2000

[crystal hill]

I'll go play some Tetris

[sharp wyvern]

ragebait

[distant yarrow]

Because It’s a good game

[crystal hill]

this guy is rage baiting

not worth it

[distant yarrow]

The graphics were good in that time period

Ok

[sonic terrace]

bad graphics (not even bad at that time lol) ≠ bad game

[sharp cosmos]

notice how classic doom is better then most modern FPS games

[sonic terrace]

yeah

[sharp cosmos]

mhm

[sonic terrace]

@sharp cosmos check your dm

[lethal osprey]

facts bro

The "new gen" can't seem to agree though

Won't give it a chance

[crystal hill]

honestly, I prefer a lot of fps games to classic doom

my love comes almost exclusively from how many custom maps there are for it

[sharp cosmos]

no u dont

🪄

[sharp cosmos]

those are doom larpers

[lethal osprey]

exactly

there are so many doom wads, its almost unlimited

[crystal hill]

what

[crystal hill]

it's great, but how much of that is attributable to the games themselves?

[sharp cosmos]

ur lying to urself

[crystal hill]

no, I am not

[sharp cosmos]

yup

🪄

[crystal hill]

very convincing

[sharp cosmos]

casting spells to make you think im right

[crystal hill]

classic doom oozes with potential, but the level designers didn't make full use of it

[sharp cosmos]

the fans did tho

[crystal hill]

a problem partially rectified by things like plutonia

[sharp cosmos]

theres like an endless amount of wads and addons to use

[crystal hill]

absolutely, but it's not too fair judging a game based on it's modding scene imo

[sonic terrace]

hey, who deleted my amazing wad from the classic doom mods channel?

[sharp cosmos]

what wad

[crystal hill]

like, I love stuff like Going Down and Plutonia 2. Those feel completely different to Doom 2

[sharp cosmos]

i guesssss but still

[sonic terrace]

its was some bullshit wad, i took rootpain.wad and replaced every sprite in the game with tom pearl

[crystal hill]

hey, I did say this

[crystal hill]

might be worth messaging mod mail

[sharp cosmos]

we need to expand the rootpain wad

[crystal hill]

but if I were to take a guess, its because you basically took a wad about killing a baby, changed some sprites, then posted it here

[sharp cosmos]

what if i can play as a cancer cell destroying the body

[sonic terrace]

it was a joke wad anyway

[sharp cosmos]

a weird joke wad

[sonic terrace]

it doesnt really matter if its taken down or not

[sonic terrace]

mywad

[crystal hill]

well, what're some of your favourite wads for doom/doom 2?

[sharp cosmos]

rootpains creator snorted a line of crack and made a mod

[sonic terrace]

he made another horror wad which is surprisinlgy high quality

a total conversion acutally

i think it was called "the forest.wad"

[sharp cosmos]

Eviternity, sythe, After doom, Back to Saturn X, Auger;Zenith

[crystal hill]

that could apply to a lot of them

Eviternity and Auger Zenith especially are good pics

auger zenith has the best realised world in any doom wad imo

[sharp cosmos]

yess

[raw shoal]

Doom byoc is one of the best doom mods ever

[sonic terrace]

what is that?

[sharp cosmos]

best addon imo is Brutal doom

[crystal hill]

bring your own class

I'm not fond of gameplay mods that don't add maps in to take advantage of it

[sharp cosmos]

why

[crystal hill]

if you like brutal doom, play it with the hell on earth starter pack

[crystal hill]

changes the gameplay into something unintended by the map maker

I like classic doom's gameplay already

[sonic terrace]

its more than enough

[raw shoal]

Still trying to figure out how to even play ancient aliens on byoc

[crystal hill]

the map variety keeps it interesting

[raw shoal]

Ive seen videos of it before but idk how still

[sonic terrace]

you want to use a pk3 with a wad?

[sharp cosmos]

it makes things either trivial or absurdly hard. ive beat most of the offical classics on brutal doom its mad fun

[sharp cosmos]

whats byoc

[sonic terrace]

bring your own class

[raw shoal]

Build your own class

Wait is it build or bring i forget

[crystal hill]

the classics are easy enough already, lol

[raw shoal]

Im so used to saying byoc for short

[sonic terrace]

its bring

[raw shoal]

Ok

[raw shoal]

Ohhh ok i see

Im gonna go try that out now

[sonic terrace]

that literally how you play gameplay mods with wads

just load them both

[sharp cosmos]

no its the hardest game ever made

[crystal hill]

you're not very convincing

try doom eternal on nightmare, see what you think

[sonic terrace]

how is doom 1 and doom 2 hard?

[sharp cosmos]

because its the hardest game ever made

[sharp cosmos]

i know im joking

[sonic terrace]

the magic wand isnt here, im not convinced

[sharp cosmos]

🪄

boom im right

[sonic terrace]

doom 1 and doom 2 are the hardest games ever made

[crystal hill]

sorry, I'm not very into roleplaying

[sonic terrace]

we are joking, not roleplaying

[sharp cosmos]

yeah

[crystal hill]

sure

[sharp cosmos]

✌️

[sonic terrace]

let me get back on playing the golden souls 2

[crystal hill]

anyone play some french doom projects?

[sharp wyvern]

Which is why we have Plutonia, NRFTL and Legacy of Rust

And Sigil

[sharp wyvern]

I quite like that wad tbh

[heavy hearth]

do any of yall know where i can find ramp server for like mapmaking?

[rustic spear]

There arent any official ones. You need an invite to get in.

[heavy hearth]

would you happen to have an invite?

[rustic spear]

I personally don't, as i dont really do a lot of building. There are some fairly known ones that you might be able to look up.

[naive slate]

Guys listen to him

[halcyon willow]

https://ramp2025.doomproject.com/

Discord link on the website

[heavy hearth]

tysm

[heavy hearth]

also if possible, could you delete this? (u dont have to but if ur fine with it i would prefer that)

[naive slate]

Yo wiggly

@heavy hearth

🥹✌️

[heavy hearth]

cooper

[naive slate]

Genuinely the reveal of the century

[heavy hearth]

rq google translate my name from chinese

[naive slate]

Lmao

[heavy hearth]

whats so funny

[naive slate]

“I love doom” thats clever fr

[heavy hearth]

thats my username lol

[naive slate]

Ik

[calm cradle]

what?

[heavy hearth]

i was asking if he could delete msg

[calm cradle]

Why would he need to delete his own message

[heavy hearth]

no reason

[calm cradle]

🤨

[heavy hearth]

i mean

it was completley optional

[naive slate]

Focus W

[cerulean patio]

Does anyone know where to find any good tutorials for modding GZDoom with ZScript? I’ve been searching and I’ve been coming up empty

[calm cradle]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-36gm0W-VKl89pw9lUfF36TJ28bjrNUn

[cerulean patio]

Thanks so much, I’ll check it out

[gentle compass]

Which Doom monster would be the best at a game of Monopoly?

Indeed, can a two-dimensional monster approach a game on a two-dimensional plane?

[calm cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-wth-jesse-gif-17336046

[rugged blaze]

Archvile

Just a feeling

[hollow tree]

Spider Mastermind

[uneven tangle]

That or the Cyberdemon

[cloud jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-unpog-gif-8033619785015707160

[crystal hill]

Poor kevan

[crystal hill]

Mock 2 is my favourite jokewad, mostly because of the MtPain video on it

but even as a wad, its surprisingly coherent

[restive anchor]

guys

I just closed classic doom on 100% achievement

[distant yarrow]

W

[wintry copper]

noice!

[woven swallow]

great 👍

[woven swallow]

<@&162901871168585728>

[rancid thorn]

Cheers. They’re getting craftier

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/uzGb1VF2q6A?si=QM4kTeHNOC22wfVI

[lost ocean]

Guys

I just got a drumset

What doom song do i learn first

[woven swallow]

Shawn's got the shotgun

Or wait, maybe message to the arch vile?

[halcyon willow]

E1M2 The Imp's Song. Extremely fun to drum. Great bass groove to play along to and lots of room to do your own thing on top.

[heavy hearth]

two words by ye omari west

(not a doom song but wtv)

[uneven tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-walk-away-weirdo-touch-gif-26494423

[heavy hearth]

what lmao hes good

[naive slate]

Kanyes pretty good bro what

Lift yourself is top two songs oat

[heavy hearth]

people just be sending gifs nowadays

[naive slate]

Fr

[heavy hearth]

ok bro

[polar mural]

poopity scoop scoopditty woop

[naive slate]

Fr

[hearty gorge]

L take. Waiting for romero to play, adrian's asleep, bye bye american pie and even message for the arch-vile are some of the best doom 2 midis. I agree that doom 1 has the better soundtrack but doom 2's ost is still really good.

[median cloud]

Waiting for Romero to play is 🔥 🔥

Probably my favorite Doom OST

[hearty gorge]

200% agreed

[median cloud]

Though TNT has some contenders

[crystal hill]

wow, that's an old post

[hearty gorge]

Tnt has a really good new midi roster

[median cloud]

Lol right what a necro

didn't see

[hearty gorge]

Whi was that deleted user anyway

I was just scrolling through the messages i didn't read and i found that for some reason

Holy shit that's from 2022

How in the hell lmao

I think i'm a little too late on the reply lol

[median cloud]

Uhu... hahaha

Hope they add TNT's soundtrack to Spotify as well after adding both Doom 1 & 2

[crystal hill]

well, that would be more complicated

[median cloud]

Bobby Prince will probably add duke nukem 3d music I assume

[crystal hill]

need to get permission from more than just one guy

[median cloud]

Thats true

Duke 3D is also partly Lee Jackson as well but I guess bobby can just upload his tracks

Lee Jackson should get on spotify as well, ROTT would be nice to have

[crystal hill]

they're really not that hard to acquire outside of spotify

[median cloud]

he's already on spotify apparently but doesn't have the music of those games on it

[median cloud]

I'm well aware but I use spotify mainly

I have a playlist for background music that I just play during gaming sessions

[hearty gorge]

I usually when i want to hear midis i either open a youtube playlist or i play them through my slade while i'm mapping if a specific wad doesn't have an sc-55 version of the midis

I did recently see the doom 1 + doom 2 ost being released on Spotify i think tho

[median cloud]

I'm talking more about when I'm playing multiplayer games and since I'm bound to Wi-Fi, having YouTube in the background is too laggy :p

[median cloud]

Yep!

[crystal hill]

maybe I'm an old fart but I like actually downloading the songs

no ads, no internet connection required, its a better experience

[median cloud]

It's the old way to do things but it just takes too much time

[crystal hill]

ehh

its a small time investment for long term profits

[median cloud]

Ehh Spotify does enable me to have those songs everywhere when I want to

While I guess you can just use an USB-stick to get the music on other PC's

It's more a drag to get them on mobile

[sharp wyvern]

opening to hell

[sharp wyvern]

also theres no financial incentive

sigil's midi osts aren't on spotify because jimmy paddock said theres just no way itd make enough to earn back the money spent getting it on there

[sharp wyvern]

i loooove winamp

[crystal hill]

they're also freely available from his bandcamp

no need for questionable methods of acquisition

[sharp wyvern]

yup

i love bandcamp 💙

[crystal hill]

same

really very convenient, assuming the people you listen to are on there

[sharp wyvern]

I was going to make a wad for the KEX port that used my favourites from the MIDI, the IDKFA and the PSX OSTs for DOOM, DOOM II and Final DOOM but I ended up not bothering :p

I wish it just had a PSX music switcher built in but it wouldn’t work with how it’s currently coded

[crystal hill]

I wish the kex port would have the ps1 levels in it

psydoom is very convenient and easy to use (even on linux) but not everyone has a legal copy of ps1 doom 1

[median cloud]

The movement does feel pretty weird on psydoom

but ig thats just the ps port

[hearty gorge]

I think it'd be interesting to have a psx doom re-release. I mean it's mostly normal doom in term of levels but they're all so different and have doom 2 enemies in doom 1 levels, it feels like a totally different game ngl

I wish doom psx had a different/better geometry in the levels rather than just the jaguar one for some reason

[crystal hill]

that and it has unique levels not seen on pc

[sharp wyvern]

I like how Quake 2 added the n64 campaign in its rerelease

[median cloud]

I think I grade levels too generously lol

I do like some of the PSX exclusives

Won't be able to play Doom until next week wednesday 🙁

[thick glade]

john romero needs to go on a war crimes tribunal to answer for the shotgunner being able to snipe you from afar

[crystal hill]

3 heures d'agonie 2 is starting to kick my ass, but its really inconsistent

you go from baby's first level to william huber bending you over a table and sticking a cactus up your butt

[storm tapir]

Then it is living up to its name 😛

[crystal hill]

not really, its mostly not agony

[sharp cosmos]

are there any wads that are like master lvls for classic doom. Like same map but insanely differant enemy layout and encounters

[crystal hill]

closest I've found is maps of chaos

the first map in doom 1 and 2 is changed a lot, the latter ones less so

[sharp cosmos]

its all just brutal doom

[crystal hill]

not brutal doom

you can play it without. It's kinda fun that way

[sharp cosmos]

oh ok

sigil 2 pmo its the hardest classic doom game

[mint egret]

i really wanna play doom 1 + 2 on steam

[muted fog]

Does anyone know how to get the wall to bring down the red key in level 5 vivisection of doom 2: no rest for the living?

[sharp wyvern]

It’s also just so mediocre compared to most of the classic doom entries

[sharp cosmos]

literally

fuck it im using commands idc anymore

theres like no health

[bitter shoal]

You'll have to define classic. Just ones that come with the DOOM 1 & 2 collection?

[sharp cosmos]

yeah

[sharp wyvern]

The officially released classic doom wads I imagine

Not counting Maximum Doom

[bitter shoal]

well not counting Legacy of Rust (because I hadn't played it and thus grossly unqualified to compare), it probably is but for the wrong reasons.

[sharp cosmos]

fucking cyberdemon in every lvl keeps jump scaring me

[sharp cosmos]

yes i hate it

[sharp wyvern]

I found Plutonia the hardest tbh

[sharp cosmos]

Plutonia was fun hard tho

it was hard but fun and fair

[bitter shoal]

it probably depends on your skill tastes. Plutonia despite it being designed by evil dungeon masters, is also a power fantasy and actually gives you bigger weapons and ammo

[crystal hill]

Plutonia is my gold standard for official doom wads

[bitter shoal]

SIGIL II basically assumes you arne't going for UV Max

[sharp cosmos]

i started on UV 😪

[bitter shoal]

well UV max means getting every kill

[crystal hill]

I'm going to UV Pistol Start it

[bitter shoal]

]which... doing that on map 2 is lol

[crystal hill]

its going to be a pain in the ass

[bitter shoal]

but you can play it UV otherwise

[sharp cosmos]

yes lemme shoot the cyberdemon to death with the shotgun

that sounds like hell

[bitter shoal]

a speedrun unironically does that

a SPEEDRUN

what sucks is that Map 2 as an actual layout and setting is actually really cool too, almost like the lodge from RE4, but it's messed up by bad enemy placement

err e6m2

[sharp cosmos]

im on it

[sharp wyvern]

sigil 2 has some pretty banging music though

[red dune]

To anyone familiar with demo recording rules, I had some questions real quick.

What are the rules for using two input methods when recording a demo? For example, I use controller for gameplay but might want to use mnk for tricks at some point. My mnk still works and functions even when my controller is plugged in and I'm using it, so I assume its fine.

Also, how long are you allowed to pause for in a demo recording? I know the pause isn't picked up in the output which is why I wonder

[crystal hill]

@woven swallow might be able to help

[full shoal]

I just finished LoR yesterday. I almost completed the whole Doom1+2 without saves but Soul Silo and Brink were impossible without. LoR was still quite cool, have to admit that.

[sharp wyvern]

what level was your favourite

[full shoal]

Coiled city I remember the best, it's epix

epic*, but not sure if I loved it the most

[woven swallow]

You might want to ask this question in the official dsda doom server

[median cloud]

Soul Silo is a tough one

[sharp wyvern]

probably in the top 5 hardest classic doom levels

[median cloud]

Unironically might be the hardest one

I had it at the same difficulty as Go 2 It, because Go 2 It is pretty difficult if you're new with the BFG similar to Soul Silo which is difficult because of not knowing the new weapon

But I think that end fight with the cybers might triumph anything in Go 2 It

[full shoal]

it sucks that the difficulty spike is pretty stupid for soul silo. Too hard without saves but with saves there is no challenge

[median cloud]

I wouldn't say it's that much harder than Coiled City

I had it rated as a similar difficulty level but tbf I might be underestimating it myself here a bit

[full shoal]

It's the huge fights with calamity blade that make it ridiculous to try to survive. So much luck involved

[median cloud]

that end fight is roughhh

[median cloud]

I wouldn't say luck haha it's def a skill check since the calamity blade has a timing to it

But at that point you haven't been challenged to use the weapon in such a way so that end fight with the cybers is hard

and the permadeath pits you can fall down to in the temple area is also rough

[full shoal]

Yes! Those suck ass. I also beat the cybers with the flamethrower :D it was easier than with blade

[median cloud]

Do you have enough ammo to do that?

[sharp wyvern]

Idk it showers you in health and ammo

I find Go 2 It harder

[crystal hill]

Go 2 It showers you with health and ammo

So many megaspheres and cells

[full shoal]

yes

[sharp wyvern]

Yeah but like one megasphere per big encounter not a lot per encounter

[median cloud]

I find Go 2 It easier but I'm way better with the BFG than with the calamity blade

I rated them similarly in difficulty because of this

Go 2 It's corridor cybers can be pretty rough if you're bad with the BFG

[crystal hill]

Its plenty if you dont use all or most of it

[sharp wyvern]

Fair fair

[crystal hill]

You can play safe with the plasma

I had a very easy time with it on a recent replay

[median cloud]

Do you have enough ammo for that tho?

One of the first times I've finished go 2 it I struggled a bit with ammo near the end

[sharp wyvern]

Tbf this is different

Go 2 It you have to conserve ammo

In the bit of soul silo we’re talking about they dump the ammo on you at the end

[median cloud]

True, I used the calamity blade first time I got there but wasted so many shots and actually ran out of ammo as well

Maybe with flamethrower it wouldn't have happened

[crystal hill]

I dont remember ammo issues in Go 2 It

[median cloud]

Prior to that I died most of the times in the temple prior due to falling off

[crystal hill]

Do you have a rocket launcher and ssg as well?

[median cloud]

in Soul Silo?

you do yeah

[crystal hill]

In Go 2 It

[median cloud]

Ofc u do, u get every weapon at the start

[serene pagoda]

Apparently 64 hates my Switch 2 lol

I start a sesh and the camera suddenly starts spinning uncontrollably so fast that it hardlocks the game and I need to close it?

Was wondering if anyone else had this issue in general

Switch 1 works so it isn't a big deal for me lol. Just curious

[storm tapir]

Camera or the player aim?

Like the intro camera?

[serene pagoda]

Player aim

Abt 5 secs after level start

[tough harbor]

Is there a mod that specifically makes Doom harder?

[woven swallow]

yes, it's called custom maps

[median cloud]

Hard Doom or Complex Doom are mods that make general doom gameplay harder but also change the gameplay quite a bit

If you rather want harder Doom while still playing Doom you should go play custom mappacks

[tough harbor]

I spent half an hour on E1M1 and E1M2... awesome hard doom

[woven swallow]

[tough harbor]

Why am I whining? I'll go play the first episode with Pistol Start.

[median cloud]

this is a good way to increase difficulty as well, trying to pistol start everything

Though might just move on to Doom 2? If you haven't played that yet

[woven swallow]

play with fast monsters

[median cloud]

OG Doom is def the easiest one

[full shoal]

Play without saves! Makes it so much more rewarding

[tough harbor]

I'm standing right now next to the level end button, but it's level e1m9, I don't think I'll go.

Mod hard doom

Although I don't want to

[spice halo]

[sharp cosmos]

how long does it take to beat maximum doom

[sharp wyvern]

It would take you months it is not worth it

[sharp cosmos]

so it sucks

[livid light]

ye, half of the stuff is just shitty levels and even duplicates put on a disc with almost no care

[crystal hill]

just half?

[sharp cosmos]

i bet theres many hidden gems in 3k+ lvls

[crystal hill]

the 1994 and 95 levels are crap as standard, with good ones being exceptions

[crystal hill]

they're all really early Doom levels

before good tools and experience were built up in the community

[livid light]

some levels were for heretic too apparently, they didnt even bother checking what game it was for 😭

[sharp cosmos]

whats heretic

[crystal hill]

another doom engine game

but not doom itself, and so you cant play those levels

[sharp cosmos]

it looks like a doom rip off

[crystal hill]

it was literally made with id's blessing and supervision

[livid light]

it also has its own set of stuff apart from doom, like inventory system or ability to look up

[sharp cosmos]

wdym id's blessing are they actually gods now

[crystal hill]

its a saying

[sharp cosmos]

oh

[livid light]

blessing means permission in this case

[bitter shoal]

Didn't some people at ID actually help them with it as well?

IIRC Raven Software was working with the DOOM engine while it was still being developed

[livid light]

ye, john romero is credited as executive producer, and john carmack and paul radek are credited too but they made the engine and sound drivers so not sure if it counts
i’m not sure about the engine state tho

[bitter shoal]

I believe Executive Producer means that John Romero would have been the one to green light the project and allow Raven to develop it, if I understand what an executive producer is correctly. I think I remember reading somewhere that he or someone else went into the offices to coordinate the project because it was like... down the hall from their own offices

[livid light]

i thought something similar but maybe he also helped make decisions for the game in general

[bitter shoal]

Executive Producer is more hands off I believe

I don't know if they had anyone as a single producer either, technically iD as a whole was helping produce the game given that it was their engine

but producer also usually means they do stuff related to, well, producing the product but aren't the main creatives

(a producer can have creative input though)

[livid light]

well not really, people like kevin cloud or american mcgee didnt have any direct involvement at all (except for raven putting one of american’s maps in the game i guess)

[bitter shoal]

oh I didn't mean literally everyone just like... the company rather than just one person

[livid light]

oh, my bad

[halcyon willow]

idsoftware is the publisher of Heretic

Producer is specific role that may or may not be part of a publishing arrangement

[dire terrace]

Can we appreciate the ending scene of inferno where we're on earth but slowly doomguy turns his head to reveal that earth is now consumed by hell and the music track "sweet little bunny" accompanies that scene perfectly?

[sharp wyvern]

it's a pretty fun ending

[crystal hill]

would've been quite the shock to 90s players

[sharp wyvern]

wait the club doom level made me realise that psx doom can swap music mid-level

can regular doom do that?? it can't right? that's kind of a random neat thing i guess

[median cloud]

Not without scripting I think

[lusty arrow]

Did you watch my videos?

[regal bison]

Where did you post these videos?

[bitter shoal]

That's a fancy new PSX version feature I believe (although it probably wouldn't have been hard for iD to implement had they thought of it since technically IDMUS already shows support for mid-level music swapping.)

[sharp wyvern]

cool feature that they only used in like one level lol

perhaps in another universe theres a psx doom that switched between hodges' ambience and prince's tunes

[wary summit]

Just beat doom 1

Onto doom 2

Wish me luck yall

[crystal hill]

hope you're liking them so far

[wary summit]

I am! Feels nice to play smth from when my mom was a kid- theyre challenging yet fun compared to more modern stuff (dont get me wrong I love like Eternal and Dark Ages, they just feel too easy some days)

[lunar rune]

ZDOOM and ports derived from it can via music changers, but vanilla and BOOM can't I think

[sharp wyvern]

i see i see

[lunar rune]

Vanilla definitely can't I'm unsure about BOOM

[shut rover]

that song is awesome btw. cant believe we got gabber in a doom game

im not a fan of the psx ost, too atmospheric in comparison to the normal ost

[sharp wyvern]

IKR it's great

[sharp wyvern]

aww i love the atmosphere

personally i like when doom (and quake!!) is a mix of the two

[shut rover]

doom isnt my doom without Untitled

[sharp wyvern]

fairs

[shut rover]

imo Quake fits the atmospheric ost more because of it being about lovecraftian horrors?

[sharp wyvern]

yeah ik

what i was more saying is i like when the soundtrack is a mix of both

[shut rover]

i wish q2 had an atmos OST too

[sharp wyvern]

which is why i enjoyed Quake II's Call of the Machine DLC so much, the levels would swap between Aubrey Hodges' Quake II 64 ambience and Sonic Mayhem's metal depending on the level/the encounter

i wish Dimension of the Machine DLC for Q1 did that too, they could've used the scourge and dissolution OSTs as well as Nine Inch Nails'

[shut rover]

i need to play the quake games so badly. but i first i need to beat the original doom and II and its expansions

[sharp wyvern]

ah yeah fair

[shut rover]

maybe do smth fucked up and beat Not Even Remotely Fair

[shut rover]

yeah im not even half way thru lol

i just beat inferno on UV

e4m5 took me like 30 mins.... we are so gonna do well

not even going for completion!!!

really questionable game design

[sharp wyvern]

TFC sucks yea

are you gonna play Sigil and Sigil II

[versed fulcrum]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2280/DOOM__DOOM_II/ SALE 😄

Steam

DOOM + DOOM II

Developed by id Software, and originally released in 1993, DOOM pioneered and popularized the first-person shooter, setting a standard for all FPS games. The critically acclaimed sequel, DOOM II, followed in 1994. Now the definitive, newly enhanced versions of DOOM + DOOM II are available as a combined product.

Owners Receive:

• DOOM¹
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Price

$3.99

Recommendations

24493

60%

[narrow swift]

i guess bro just had to cover up the evidence

[fallen kayak]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1148590/DOOM_64/
Also on sale at this time.

Steam

DOOM 64

Originally released on Nintendo 64 in 1997, DOOM 64 is an action first-person shooter and a direct sequel to the events of DOOM II. In celebration of DOOM’s 25th anniversary, an enhanced version of DOOM 64 was released on PC and consoles in 2020 and can now be played here.Story
Years have passed since you stopped Hell’s invasion of Earth.…

Price

$1.99

Recommendations

7712

[bitter shoal]

tbh honestly tempted to double dip on DOOM just to get Legacy of Rust access

[median cloud]

I bought it out of respect tbh

Have spent so many hours on Doom so the price was worth it

[crystal hill]

so you didnt own it prior?

[median cloud]

Not personally got it from my bro

[crystal hill]

ahh

[sharp wyvern]

worth it

[mint egret]

guys guess what i got

[sharp wyvern]

was it quake

[halcyon willow]

Daikatana

[zenith berry]

TIL the Bobby Prince Doom soundtrack is on YouTube and streaming now, but officially.

[woven swallow]

on doom2 btw

mbf21 as well

[sudden bough]

Should I play the classic doom games?

🤔

[woven swallow]

YESSSSS

[sudden bough]

Are they worth it

[woven swallow]

PLEASE DO 🙏

[sudden bough]

I’m currently on eternal

[woven swallow]

yes, and also 30+ years worth of custom content

[sudden bough]

Bet

I might try them out after I finish eternal

[wild harbor]

What is the best doom game?

[sharp wyvern]

Legacy of Rust 🗣️

[wild harbor]

Thank you

[sudden bough]

Never heard of it

[sharp wyvern]

It was released in 2024 as a classic doom expansion

[sudden bough]

Oh

[crystal hill]

2016 is my favourite

[rugged blaze]

All I know about Legacy of Rust is that one of the most goated demon designs (the Vassago) came from it

God do I want that in an AAA DOOM game

[sharp wyvern]

The Vassago has grown on me but I used to find him reaaaally ugly

He’s like too detailed for classic doom almost

[crystal hill]

looks a bit overly edgy

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1354683666541973575/1504557787500384286/Screenshot_Doom_20260514_181553.png?ex=6a076c21&is=6a061aa1&hm=a75bbc6bf975c5746667fd9327d1ee801b5c417411db5e8d8961b59e15591309&

What the

Well I can now send photos again, less goo

[median cloud]

I understand what you mean

[sharp wyvern]

I like them now though even if they’re slightly stylistically out of place

Mostly because I think their gimmick is good

[wintry copper]

the Vassago is a bit too modern in terms of design yeah

[cinder sapphire]

oh wow I thought you preferred the classics with how much you have played them 😮

[crystal hill]

its a little complicated

[cinder sapphire]

huh.

[crystal hill]

If you count the pwads as part of Doom 2, it's my favourite by a wide margin

But counting Doom 2 just as Doom 2, it's maybe middle of the pack

I prefer the nudooms to the classics on those merits

[cinder sapphire]

oh ok. I would definitely include all custom content with a game, but I get it

[crystal hill]

I get that, completely

only thing is that kind of ranking skews in favour of games with really big modding communities

I like the Witcher 3 a lot, but it doesn't have massive mods that add tons and tons of new content to it

while stuff like Doom 2 and Fallout New Vegas and Binding of Isaac do

[cinder sapphire]

I guess like I sometimes say Skyrim is a fantastic game but I will always say (with mods) at the end of it.

[crystal hill]

yeah, like that

[cinder sapphire]

I have been playing an episode 3 replacer called Inferno (same name as original) but it is by Christopher Lutz. nice design, but very large maps.

[sharp wyvern]

Idk if I agree or not

On one hand counting moddability probably should be part of ranking a game but can you rank games based on their mods prbably not

[cinder sapphire]

probably depends on the situation. like if it's for an award on the developer's work, probably not. but if it's ranking games that are funnest for you or me, I would.

[crystal hill]

I've played a selection of Lutz maps, but never Inferno

I wonder how it stacks up among other 90s releas4es

[cinder sapphire]

couldn't say cuz haven't played enough old wads. I think it's nice, but I do tend to struggle with backtracking in maps on the larger side cuz I move very slowly in HDest. though I have played maps way larger than that and thoroughly enjoyed them, but they were more modern.

[bleak heart]

Btw did you guys do all the Doom 1+2 achiements by legit means?

[regal bison]

most of them, yeah, I didnt cheat to get all achivements but I got 28/33 legitimately.

[sharp wyvern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ5E1ca40vo

[distant yarrow]

That looks really fun

[crystal hill]

hmmm. I have a pet peeve again large maps with backtracking myself

maybe I'll get to those maps someday (not anywhere in the near future though)

[sharp wyvern]

im so nervous for your 2027 LoR thoughts 😭

[crystal hill]

oh dear

well, thats only 5 cacoward years away

4 of which are obscenely long

not to mention side projects that'll take a month or two in total

[random edge]

in crispy doom when looking with the arrow keys how do I make it smooth and not speed up after a quater of a second being slow (I am not sure that was good enough at describing it)

[spark plinth]

Hello all, not sure where to post this. I have already tried Nightdive but was told to contact Bethesda. Regarding 'Doom + Doom II' within Steam Input I did the Angle Calibration and unlike other games there is no consistency with 360° turns. Within the games options I tried disabling Smoothing &Accel and reduced Max Turn Acceleration to 0 but that didn't fix it. To do the angle calibration within Steam Input I assigned '360° Camera Turn' to the left thumbstick sensor, set the scale to 1x, and adjusted the 'dots per 360°'. However what is meant to be 360° is instead over and undershooting the mark with the same configuration, One 360° turn can result in being plus or minus ~30° off. Other games I have tested so far have been 'Blood Refreshed Supply', 'DSDA-Doom (added as a non Steam game), Quake (Remastered) which all could remain well under 1° per rotation, and under 2° total after 10 consecutive 360° turns. I also tried with Rise of the Triad LE which initally under/overshot but appears to be fixed after reducing 'Mouse Acceleration' from 20% to 0% within the game's options. Is there a way to fix this as it is difficult to build up muscle memory when there is no consistency. This appears to not be a controller issue (tried Switch Pro Controller and Steam Controller), nor does it appear to be an issue with Steam Input as this is the only game so far that continues to have this issue. Thank you in advance for your help.

[worldly gorge]

Hi what are some recommended classic/vanilla style doom mods on doom 1+2 on ps5? I want something similar to tnt and Plutonia

[crystal hill]

tnt revilution isnt a bad place to look

[sharp wyvern]

is that uploaded on KEX port yet?

[sharp wyvern]

Try Doom Zero in the featured mods section

[worldly gorge]

Beat that one already 😅

[crystal hill]

surely it has?

it won a cacoward and has quite a few fans

[worldly gorge]

Hm ok

[sharp wyvern]

TTP made me feel like TNT but that was because it annoyed me

[crystal hill]

The Trooper's Playground feels quite strong for an early 90s wad

(its also shorter than TNT so it has that going for it)

wads like that make me a lil nostalgic for the early era of Doom mods. The overall quality was far lower, but it was weird and experimental and rough around the edges

then I remember the other stuff I played around that time and suddenly I'm not soo nostalgic anymore

[sharp wyvern]

i like it

also the evil trooper is fun spice

[crystal hill]

a lot less evil than the one in scythe 2

[median cloud]

That one is really evil

I died so many times on s2 map 16 because of shotgun combat against the dude

[crystal hill]

Oh hey, thats another parallel between Scythe 2 and Eviternity, aka Scythe 3

Scythe 2 has the evil marine which is an affront to god and all things good, and Eviternity has the annihilator, which is an affront to god and all things good

[bleak heart]

Right, all the ones that are like, beat this game etc i used cheats on those. All the others, legit.

[regal bison]

I had nothing else to do at that time, I was bored, so a full playthrough of all the classic IWADs and expansions was fun

[bleak heart]

Right. Before the 1+2 update i was already in 2nd chapter...but then the update reseted me back to the start so...i was like...nope...lets do this, and fast.

And i did try to find all secrets, before the update came in.

[cinder sapphire]

Im starting to get one too. I ended up using a chainsaw to cut down a locked door and passed the map. I think Im going to break through things for the remainder of the maps. Im hoping that will make it more enjoyable because it's fun to break stuff that's not supposed to be broken 😈

[wild harbor]

How many doom games are there?

Including games like legacy of rust

[fallen kayak]

Classic Doom or the franchise in general?

[woven swallow]

14 games

[bitter shoal]

-clicks on a Sega Genesis take ona Metallica song on YouTube- so I'm in the Jim's Music Dungeon rabbit hole now

[bitter shoal]

lmfao @ the Alice in Chains Them Bones DOOM soundfont cover

[sharp wyvern]

Are you counting expansions as separate games?

So Sigil and no rest for the living for example?

[crystal hill]

he's counting legacy of rust, so I imagine it would too

[sharp wyvern]

Yeah but sometimes people are weird with LoR so I wanted to check

There are 24 Doom games if we count EVERY expansion

23 if we count Final Doom as one game, 21 if we don’t count TAG, 20 if we don’t count D64’s lost levels

[bleak heart]

What about LoR?

[sharp wyvern]

?

[bleak heart]

Like what were you people talking about LoR?

Like what i've missed?

Okay

[bitter shoal]

Someone counted it as its own game which led to discussion about what else would count as a "DOOM game"

with that as a criteria

[bleak heart]

Oooohhh...i see.

[bitter shoal]

Personally I see IWAD files as "games" and WAD files in general as map packs/mods/etc

But most people might not see it that way due to how modern releases present the different games/expansions within UIs

[sharp wyvern]

i would probably count sigil, sigil ii, master levels, nrftl and maximum doom as part of their respective games

final doom i think i'd personally count as a game on its own and not 2 separate games, but id software just calls it "two Doom II episodes" nowadays, so idk what the official thoughts on it are

Legacy of Rust is tricky. It's not a standalone release like Final Doom (though would you call Half-Life: Blue Shift it's own game by this logic? idk) but also has enough changes from Doom II and is released as a bonus in a port that consolidates 3 games into one... idk... idk....

wikipedia, igdb and doomwiki count it as part of Doom II
the doom 1 + 2 store page simply says:

Created in collaboration by id Software, Nightdive Studios, and MachineGames, Legacy of Rust is the newest episode for DOOM, and the first official episode since DOOM II to feature new demons and weapons. This 16-map Episode is broken up into two 8 map sections: The Vulcan Abyss and Counterfeit Eden.

also as an aside, sigil is said to be "created as an unofficial episode" on the menu, but on the store page it also adds "Sigil fits in between the timelines of DOOM (1993) and DOOM II.", and makes no reference to it being unofficial, with it even later saying that Sigil and Sigil II are "now officially a part of the DOOM + DOOM II package"

[bitter shoal]

It started as an unofficial product, no different from any other PWAD custom map set that was high quality, it was grandfathered in.

I'd cconsider something like Blue Shift like Final DOOM, its own game since it doesn't need the original to play but still laregly reuses the base game

[sharp wyvern]

yeah i know, was just noting how they present it's officialness since a lot of people here still deny that they're currently official NOW

[sharp wyvern]

idk it feels wrong to not count HL1's expansions as part of HL1 for me, but that's just me, i guess you're right

[bitter shoal]

probably cause of continuity stuff, people get too stingy about canon sometimes

for some reason people don't consider the DOOM game with the number 3 in its title a mainline title for example

[sharp wyvern]

anyway now im even more confused by the wording because this menu calls Doom II's expansions "episodes for DOOM II" but then calls Legacy of Rust "the newest episode for DOOM"?!?!?!?

[bitter shoal]

tbh I don't agree with the wording for DOOM II since episodes are already defined typically as being chunks of a mapset split up

[sharp wyvern]

ah but plutonia also later uses "official DOOM episode" so i guess it's just a branding thing, anyway the fact that Legacy of Rust is called an 'episode' indicates that it is just an expansion and not a standalone release, since this menu refers to DOOM, DOOM II and Final DOOM as games

[bitter shoal]

they're probably just using whatever marketing speak sounds good there

[sharp wyvern]

...and this makes even less sense because legacy of rust is two episodes 🥹

[sharp wyvern]

i know it's not a thing most series do nowadays but seriously how can people not understand the idea of a main entry that is also a reboot/alternate timeline

[bitter shoal]

then again I consider Mega Man X7 a fairy tale that people had made up to scare frightened children so who am I to talk

[sharp wyvern]

lol

[sharp wyvern]

if you ask me all of the doom games count as canon because the creators don't really care

(or are extremely non-committal because they don't want to rule anything out/annoy people, see hugo calling doom 3 canon but then backpedaling and saying "visually it's part of the brand" and not elaborating)

[uneven tangle]

He said what?

[sharp wyvern]

i'll put this in #the-codex i've cluttered this channel enough lol

[shut rover]

honestly i feel doom 1 and 2 happened but also had games made after in lore..

you can play doom 1 and 2 in eternal AND THE DOOM 2016 OST EXISTS???

they tried to make it lore based on doom eternal and also made it really confusing

[sharp wyvern]

realistically nobody should take doom lore that seriously because the series is meant to be What's Fun > Story

though also i think modern online fandoms (especially post-fnaf) take lore too seriously and struggle to comprehend things like easter eggs as much

[shut rover]

i mean jhawn roumewro doesn't like lore, i mean his quote and all

it's quite silly tho

[calm cradle]

John Carmack's quote, and he's since gone back on that

Romero loved lore

[shut rover]

they're all the same in my brain

people named john are just all the same : (

[sharp wyvern]

as he should

[uneven tangle]

fnaf has ruined so much honestly

[sharp wyvern]

i like fnaf

really the issue is how many people grew up with fnaf and apply fnaf to everything else

[bitter shoal]

People need to understand that you can have completely distinct continuities and takes on the media's on lore within the same franchise. See: comics

AFAIK Marvel has like, countless alternative universes (MCU is one of theM)

[sharp wyvern]

yea exactly

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/PLflGiUyvEQ?si=w5dGv6XshZfM7un

[crystal hill]

Can't wait. Shame it'll all be Joever though

[sharp wyvern]

:<

[storm tapir]

you'll have to celebrate by playing mount pain on -fast

[crystal hill]

oh god no

I already dont like that level normally

[wild harbor]

Yes

[sharp wyvern]

Then there are 24 games (not counting Thy Flesh Consumed as a separate thing)

Oh actually 25, I forgot about Mighty Doom

[dusky yacht]

doom 64 is the best doom game, change my mind

[crystal hill]

it's slow, has a lot of backtracking in it, has fewer enemies than Doom 2, and the music all sounds very samey

[sharp wyvern]

me likey horror ambience 💖

[sharp wyvern]

the level design is not as good as Doom 1

[crystal hill]

you can be wrong, that's fine

(jk jk)

[sharp wyvern]

@everyone maul this guy

[crystal hill]

I like how Doom 3 does it better, because you aren't as fast or as well equipped there

[dusky yacht]

all classic doom games are slow

[crystal hill]

uhhh, no?

Doom 1 and 2 have faster movement

[sharp wyvern]

doom 64 making walking the default and not autorun in the 2020 port was weird

[sharp wyvern]

ummmm idk about that

64 if you turn on autorun is basically the same

[crystal hill]

it's definitely slower

[dusky yacht]

make a comparison

[crystal hill]

what do you mean?

[sharp wyvern]

I can commend 64 for having stronger lighting and overall ambience to Doom 1 + 2

[dusky yacht]

put two clips side by side

[sharp wyvern]

The level design however is clunkier than Doom 1's and I'm not a fan of it

the final boss is better than the icon and mastermind tho

[crystal hill]

https://youtu.be/-nGmZ-c9Cxw?si=Q_NbuWTgAAvSfjTl&t=25 I have this for now

[dusky yacht]

doom 64 would be good on gzdoom

[crystal hill]

because the game runs slower, everything runs slower

[sharp wyvern]

i have more complaints about 64's lost levels than i do 64

[dusky yacht]

turns out everything is actually slower

[sharp wyvern]

mainly the fact that the lost levels missed a humongous opportunity and don't take advantage of being made for PC at all

[dusky yacht]

i didnt know that

[crystal hill]

this helps my argument, you realise, right?

[dusky yacht]

yeah i didn't notice

[crystal hill]

I also don't like how it's more suited to continuous play than Doom 1 and 2

[dusky yacht]

i like doom 64 and doom 3 the most really

[crystal hill]

D1+2 you can pistol start everything just fine. But 64 has the keys you need to collect and hold onto throughout the game

you don't NEED to, but doing so gives you distinct advantages to someone who doesn't

[dusky yacht]

doom 1 and 2 both have better mods

[crystal hill]

I'm not even thinking of the mods now

if we factor in mods, Doom 2 is my favourite game of all time

[sharp wyvern]

the keys are an issue i have with 64 too

why the hell would you make them disappear if you die lol

[dusky yacht]

doom 64 has less controversial mods tho

[sharp wyvern]

man i still miss when 64 had its own channel here

[crystal hill]

it has less mods in general

[sharp wyvern]

feels like nobody talks about 64 anymore

[crystal hill]

its not as good as the others

[sharp wyvern]

better than doom 2

[dusky yacht]

50% of the old doom 2 mods are either racist, nazi or school shootings

[crystal hill]

I think that's entirely because there arent many mods for it

[crystal hill]

You must watch Midnight a lot

those are by far the exceptions, not the rule

[crystal hill]

I've looked on the wiki, and there's less than a dozen significant Doom 64 mods out there

[sharp wyvern]

yeah but people spoke about the game itself in that chat :p

[crystal hill]

I know that

because in 2020 it was "new", and so people discussed it a lot

[dusky yacht]

i like doom 64 and 3 mostly cause of the ambience and stuff

[crystal hill]

when a game is old, people don't talk about it so much

thats where mods come into play to revitalise it

[dusky yacht]

doom games were always popular

[crystal hill]

to a degree

[sharp wyvern]

i mean like 2025 even, before they merged the d64 chat with classic

[crystal hill]

I can't say because I didnt see it back then

[sharp wyvern]

anyway my main problem with 64 is in the rerelease, the lost levels are really lame and didn't take advantage of being released on pc at all

[dusky yacht]

there are alway spikes of active players on doom games when they run the game on something crazy

[crystal hill]

but it probably makes sense if there werent many conversations being had to justify a whole seperate channel

[sharp wyvern]

kaiser shouldve re-added the revenant and archvile to it for the lost levels, theres pics of the d64 clay models

[crystal hill]

that's because doom is a meme now

[sharp wyvern]

and both of their attacks are already coded into the game so it would be extremely minimal effort comparatively

[dusky yacht]

the game itself is not but the doom can run on anything is

[crystal hill]

people always talk about "wow, you can run doom on a fingernail", but not about how it plays and how good it is

[crystal hill]

they did something like that for the rise of the triad rerelease

they even added voice acting to the new enemies

[dusky yacht]

you can play the old doom games for free if you are using gzdoom btw

but they are actually 3d and not fake 3d

[sharp wyvern]

and for D+D2 we got legacy of rust so it's not like it's something nightdive never does with doom

[crystal hill]

don't think that's legal

[livid light]

you cant tho, gzdoom doesnt come with the games

[crystal hill]

unless you're using freedoom or something

[dusky yacht]

it does

[crystal hill]

you need to provide your own wad files

[dusky yacht]

when you run the gzdoom exe it lets you try d1 and d2

afaik you don't need d1+d2 installed for it

[sharp wyvern]

i would advise we don't discuss this further and the moderators do not like conversations such as this

[crystal hill]

I suppose that came after D64 rerelease

[livid light]

it probably auto recognized your steam installation cause they would get in legal trouble if they did include them

[crystal hill]

it baffles me how little people know about piracy and how not legal it is

[dusky yacht]

idk but it might be illegal

[sharp wyvern]

I think what probably happened is that D64 rerelease had a strict deadline with Eternal's launch

[livid light]

it doesnt come with the files so it’s fine https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1470810928474751051/1505202249092305028/IMG_4417.png?ex=6a09c455&is=6a0872d5&hm=14d048febf0de633b729a312aba8d6575888fa14ed262cf0b0517f01f83dacbb&

[dusky yacht]

i guess it finds the games in your library then

[livid light]

ye it can find your steam folders and recognize the games automatically

[dusky yacht]

even if they are not installed?

[livid light]

they have to be installed tho, if not there wouldnt be a folder in the first place

[dusky yacht]

well i didnt have d1+d2 installed but it found them

[woven swallow]

oh god the slander, i can't with this

[dusky yacht]

its not slander

it literally is like that

[crystal hill]

the 90s wads aren't great, but they also aren't half racist

[crystal hill]

it literally is not like that

[sharp wyvern]

midnight has done irreparable harm to the modding community

[dusky yacht]

early 2000s ks more like it

[crystal hill]

theres hundreds of 90s wads without swastiaks or anything

[sharp wyvern]

i like rootpain.wad tho ngl glad i found that

[crystal hill]

hey, thats my line

[sharp wyvern]

DOOM 1 not being one of them 😭

[livid light]

nvm i misunderstood

[crystal hill]

even early 2000s werent swarmed with them

[dusky yacht]

i dont even watch midnight lol

[crystal hill]

it was mostly experimental ZDoom crap and what was left of the community making small maps

[sharp wyvern]

i do love me some rootpain, when the game Mohrta had the womb room i was like Ooh yes

[crystal hill]

you played it too?

I couldn't get too far into it, I guess I was just hoping for something it was not

[sharp wyvern]

thats fair

if you got to make a wad for the 2060 rerelease of classic doom on the glup shitto engine what would you do

[crystal hill]

I've actually had an idea for a megawad for a while - inspired by Doom 2 and all my favourite wads, make 32 very different levels based on them

so one would be a Going Down reference, another a Plutonia 2 one, etc etc

incorporating different gimmicks for the levels like Doom 2 does it

the problem is I need time and talent for that

[sharp wyvern]

that would be pretty awesome though

[crystal hill]

oh yeah

[woven swallow]

sounds like dimension hopping, hell yeah

[crystal hill]

Maybe once I finish my cacoward adventures in 2027

[crystal hill]

oh, and that could be a transition in every level

[sharp wyvern]

i think if i got to one i'd want to do like a spooky one

[crystal hill]

get to the end, use a teleporter, boom, new level beginning, then the level ends

[sharp wyvern]

or like not straight up horror for all of it but i'd love to do some spooky levels

[crystal hill]

call it doom 65

[woven swallow]

maybe a force pistol start perhaps 🤔

[sharp wyvern]

i would be evil and re-add the nightmare spectre

i would not re-add the cacospectre because he's funnier being a one off mistake

[crystal hill]

I don't think I'm that evil. Or at least I hope so

[crystal hill]

you are the real evil

[sharp wyvern]

he needs to stay locked up in his cage

as for new enemies i think what i'd want to try and achieve is making a good bossfight

[woven swallow]

I mean pretty normal but okay

[sharp wyvern]

classic doom other than the cyberdemon doesn't really have any bosses where i was like "WOWWW!!! THAT WAS SO FUN!!!"

[crystal hill]

I know some maps that force a pistol start, but not many of them per wad

[sharp wyvern]

so it would be my goal to try and make a good one

i like Going Down's Red Spider and Doom Zero's Demon Witch as better Mastermind and IOS respectively so if i could even achieve that level of quality i'd be happy

if i was making a fan wad idgaf abt the quality if i was making an official wad yeah i'd want a decent bossfight

[crystal hill]

I dont even want to try to get into dehacked, sounds far too complex

[woven swallow]

Eviternity2's boss fight was chef kiss

[sharp wyvern]

well in this hypothetical id be using the ID60 engine or whatever

DeHacked is evil . it's pure evil from when ive used it. just evil evil stuff

[livid light]

i use whacked4 to make dehacked editing easier, but i still havent dared to use decohack, is more powerful but a bit more complex

[crystal hill]

oh, I see

in that case I want an engine that can easily and quickly change compatibility levels

[sharp wyvern]

ID24 is lowk pretty decent

[crystal hill]

from limit removing to boom to zdoom

Because I need to put in a golden souls reference somewhere

[sharp wyvern]

ooh speaking of i wonder if i'd add new weapons to my wad or not were it to be official...

maybe not, but i'd probably have the LoR stuff with the classic stuff, which would technically be unique

maybe a chaingun and rocket launcher variant would be worthwhile then? to make everything have a variant? but then you run the risk of it being like Dissolution for Quake 1 where you just have Objectively Better Versions of everything lol

[crystal hill]

man, its so easy to have ideas, so much harder to implement them

[sharp wyvern]

i find that to almost be part of the fun

well depending on what's making it hard lol

[crystal hill]

laziness

and inexperience, I guess

[sharp wyvern]

yup 😭

trying to think of how i'd make this hypothetical wad scary...

i like what Dimension of the Past did for Quake 1, by having darker areas and less ammo so you're really struggling which makes every enemy scare the hell out of you

but it's hard having ammo scarcity in a game where people might be pistol starting (see The Pit)

[crystal hill]

at least my megawad would be filled with smaller, easier to make maps

no massive epics, or so I hope

[sharp wyvern]

i think i'd probably do the same, doing something really big would just irritate me

even though i love legacy of rust's big maps

maybe i'd do like One Big Map like just one as a treat

[crystal hill]

man, the ideas I have in my head... so bloody many

so little time. I need to finish these cacowards so I can actually do other stuff 😭

[sharp wyvern]

i need to stop hypothesising about wads so i can do my assignments so i can start making my wads

[crystal hill]

amen

get through school, then get a job that lets you goof off at home so you have more time to make wads

[sharp wyvern]

clearly i need to work at ID or Nightdive so my job consists of making wads

🧠

[crystal hill]

better get programming

[dusky yacht]

awwwww

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1482018219169677332/1505244344020500721/Screenshot_2026-05-16_225213.png?ex=6a09eb89&is=6a089a09&hm=7b311e83048ceeec0f7c1c4474c75de28ae1418d775fc0fb87781d07c551119b look what i've been cooking

[crystal hill]

Oh boy, sadism

[woven swallow]

Would you like to be the play tester 💀?

[crystal hill]

I suck ass at this game compared to challenge runners, no way in hell

unless you have an ITYTD version 💀

[woven swallow]

Perhaps Camembeire may be the one

[bitter shoal]

smash TV looking encounter

[tall basin]

Hi guys. Got a question. Tried the DOOM + DOOM II multiplayer for the first time with a friend and stuff. Wanted to play the campaign together and it worked fine until we finished the level. We were stuck on the mission end screen where it shows the stats and couldn't find a way to enter the next level without ending the lobby and starting a new one from scratch

Any solutions?

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1482018219169677332/1505299657872638073/image.png?ex=6a0a1f0d&is=6a08cd8d&hm=73b301e62627a2530417a30d419f2392f7c9c030d19ea41107bd38cf2d5c664c&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1482018219169677332/1505299658346463344/image.png?ex=6a0a1f0d&is=6a08cd8d&hm=c477b009a24bd40500782f82781eddc4e518d3a8eb24de6bd83b626744df9567& it is now finished

[crystal hill]

I like the aesthetic

is it just one big fight?

[woven swallow]

IWAD: DOOM2.wad
PWAD: fuckitwegonuclear.wad, Otex_1.1.wad
Complevel: Mbf21
Source port: Dsda-doom, Gzdoom
Authors: KennyisALIVE, Scarlet
difficulty: EZ (Verified by N7sfr)

note: Fuck it we go nuclear is the second map of COOMERS and must play on UV

comment: Load up with otex textures or the map will glitch

[woven swallow]

yes

[crystal hill]

maybe this is hubris, but it seems... possible

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1482018219169677332/1505312107821010955/Screenshot_2026-05-17_032237.png?ex=6a0a2aa5&is=6a08d925&hm=e15460c9cbe9d5c020d4eccfd6bfed87bac1ff001b24cd90e1c26756f92e58d7 bro beat it in just 10 attempts da fuck 😭

[crystal hill]

never mind, 10 attempts is apparently very low

so my chances have dropped back down 💀

[woven swallow]

Very italo doomy, the starting area you will mostly die 100% of times

same for map01

[crystal hill]

ohh

[woven swallow]

I thought of the fight idea and first to make most of the map, Scarlet made the visuals and did all the other fancy texture work, N7sfr verified it, basically

[crystal hill]

(why is the wad called COOMERS??)

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1473309213861351638/1505314526776524911/image.png?ex=6a0a2ce6&is=6a08db66&hm=1383e066fbf1c949abba5301eb6e67609082f187e9cba44fa07a03900e2ffa27

Poogers is another shitpost/joke megawad, so i named my wad a much more memeier name, if that makes sense

[crystal hill]

yeah, yeah, I gotcha

I tried playing Poogers once, but my GZDoom didn't agree with it. I'm glad I have DSDA doom on my launcher for edge cases like that

[crystal hill]

its a nice idea, making sequels to some of your favourite megawads

I have absolutely no faith in myself to do a Going Down sequel, sadly

[woven swallow]

Scarlet did manage to beat the 2nd map on ITYTD and i heard it's much more easier so, give it a spin i suppose 😭

[crystal hill]

perfect, baby mode

[woven swallow]

this was before i found out twoogers existed 💀, i thought there was no poogers 2...

[crystal hill]

send it over, I s'pose. Do I need some graphics pack for it as well?

[upper crypt]

Pic? Video?

[wise gulch]

so is the Buckethead soundtrack for Sigil remixes of the midi soundtrack or different songs entirely?

[sharp wyvern]

completely different songs, same with Thorr's soundtrack for Sigil II

[wise gulch]

got it

[karmic estuary]

why is Legacy of Rust so unfair

[sharp wyvern]

it's pretty brutal

what level are you on?

[karmic estuary]

level 2😭

[tall basin]

Hi! Yeah so this is what it looks like. We're on the mission end screen and can't leave it. Just to be sure I tried it again in singleplayer and I can enter the next level just fine by pressing space. But here in multiplayer we're just stuck

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3727626661

[full shoal]

Got through Misri Halek from Alien Vendetta

that was... something

[full shoal]

It's quite a leap in difficulty for sure :D

[crystal hill]

well done, it can be quite a long trek

did the cyberdemon in the middle of the map ever get you?

[rapid bolt]

im getting doom I and II in a week! very excited

[full shoal]

Plenty of times. Decided to kill it but ran past the other two :D

[fallow sparrow]

Yall, it is just me or is neon overdrive completely bugged?

[woven swallow]

how come?

I didn't face much issues playing it, at least for my experience, what seems to be the problem?

[crystal hill]

Time to play more classic doom

Specifically Thy Flesh Consumed, the Master Levels (help me) and the PSX exclusive levels

[woven swallow]

hell yeahh

[crystal hill]

I forgot how stingy Hell Beneath is with everything

[fallow sparrow]

Bugged invisible enemies, and missing decor entities texture

But the gameplay is fine

Plus they use tricks I only saw in ERASER

[woven swallow]

What are you playing this on?

[crystal hill]

I figured I may as well share my mini reviews of the PSX Doom levels as I play them, because it's my first time for all of them

Hell Gate: Very easy, very simple. Overequips you severely for being Map 16 ammo and health wise. Odd that is uses no Doom 2 monsters despite PSX Doom really liking adding those into Doom 1 maps. It won't stick in my memory, that's for sure.

[median cloud]

U doing pistol start?

[crystal hill]

as usual

[median cloud]

Important caveat especially for hell keep

[crystal hill]

oh yeah, I'm aware I'll need to infight em

[median cloud]

Yeah think I mightve talked about it here

[crystal hill]

you have

[median cloud]

But def dont kill everything on ur own u dont have the ammo

[crystal hill]

I suppose I can just punch out the pinkies

hmm, it feels like the fist has been buffed

its not like a berserk fist, but I've killed a bunch of imps in just a few punches

[median cloud]

I just let the near end fight infight a toon

Then just used weapons so I could circle strafe

[crystal hill]

I think I'm way overdoing the infighting lol

[median cloud]

Tbf I did as well

U need to infight a bit but not a ton

Just cant kill everything alone

[crystal hill]

I guess I'll let it rip then

a few cacos and the only rev are dead now

[median cloud]

Dont forget the secret plasma

Well u wont

[crystal hill]

I think I'm too hyper focused on being ammo efficient

wow, yeah, this is way overblown

Hell Keep: The ammo scarcity is overblown. I was pretty conservative, and ended with 136 bullets and 55 plasma rounds, enough for like half a dozen cacodemons. The map itself is almost as simple as Hell Gate, though it has some bigger ambushes (made up mostly of Imps), and has a little bit more detail to it. This one will stick, if only for the self inflicted pain I dealt myself by trying to be uber stingy with my ammo for no reason.

[median cloud]

Think its the hardest psx exclusive because of the ammo scarcity

[crystal hill]

Well, that's nice. I don't want to spend too long on this

[median cloud]

Other maps are fine

[crystal hill]

Sadly the master levels won't be as kind

[fallow sparrow]

Gzdoom 3.6.2

Or I think, it's that release, the source port is ancient

[crystal hill]

why're you using such an old version?

[woven swallow]

Bro 💀

[crystal hill]

no wonder a newer wad doesn't work right

[woven swallow]

I don't even think that shit supports mbf21 😭

[fallow sparrow]

It does

It loads the vast majority of new releases fine