classic-doom

[median cloud]

I didnt find it particularly fun or visually impressive to explore

[crystal hill]

Fair enough. I can't explain why I like it much better than I already have

oh, one more thing

it has zero, ZERO, 0 fucking annihilators

[median cloud]

Hahaha

Just dont rq Eviternity after one horrible annihilator placement thats incoming

[crystal hill]

that sounds like a challenge

and also implies the prior annihilator placement was fine

eviternity killed my passion for doom so hard I went and finished sonic robo blast 2 ahead of schedule by grinding out a really horrible collectible

[median cloud]

Thats not what this mappack should accomplish

[median cloud]

Theres just a really egregious one

[crystal hill]

well, it has

like I said, the heretic mapset I had negative expectations for has outpaced eviternity in how much I liked it

[crystal hill]

I repeat my prior statement

[crystal hill]

is it one in map 19?

[sonic terrace]

what is doom zero?

[crystal hill]

custom wad

[sonic terrace]

eviternity isnt that bad

[crystal hill]

it's genuinely frustrated and demotivated me that much

[sonic terrace]

there are bad levels though

i wont lie

[crystal hill]

It's technically a good wad, a very good one, but I do not have the strength for its bullshit

[sonic terrace]

but hallowed is so good

did you play golden souls @crystal hill ?

its really good

[crystal hill]

I have, many times

its probably my most played doom wad. If it even counts as one

[sonic terrace]

im still playing golden souls 2

i didnt finish it

its so good

[crystal hill]

its my favourite doom related thing

[sonic terrace]

does golden souls count as a total conversion?

[median cloud]

Yes

[crystal hill]

guess who won't be finishing that map then

[median cloud]

Aww give it a shot atleast

[crystal hill]

I will, but I know how its gonna end

[crystal hill]

surely

it changes how you play the game to an extreme degree

[sonic terrace]

then its my favorite total conversion

i never played any total conversion before

i thought they defeated the purpose of doom

[crystal hill]

golden souls 2 is my favourite. Going Down's my favourite "standard" wad

[sonic terrace]

but this one is different

[crystal hill]

doom, specifically zdoom and its successors, are like a tapestry for making your own stuff on

doom or no

[halcyon willow]

A total conversion is defined as a mod that replaces every asset.

Otherwise it's a partial conversion

But, both still need the base doom wad to run

[sonic terrace]

so golden souls İS a total conversion

[crystal hill]

"A total conversion (TC) is a PWAD that thoroughly overhauls the original game, not only changing the visuals and sounds but also gameplay mechanics. Thus the end result is substantially different than the original game and considered a distinctly new game. "

[halcyon willow]

If it doesn't need doom2.wad etc then it's a full standalone

[crystal hill]

not every asset, as per the wiki

[halcyon willow]

Wiki is wrong

[crystal hill]

sure

[halcyon willow]

"total" means exactly that

[crystal hill]

Words don't always have their literal meaning

[halcyon willow]

Most of the time they do

[crystal hill]

otherwise "peak" would mean everything is the best

[crystal hill]

most of the time. Not always

[halcyon willow]

That's because people are stupid

[crystal hill]

Oh, yes

[halcyon willow]

And don't know how language works

[crystal hill]

some don't

[halcyon willow]

"This is the most unique!"

Not a sentence

[crystal hill]

others notice how people use language in ways other than initially intended

[sonic terrace]

dude golden souls is a total conversion

[halcyon willow]

Anyway. To differentiate between total and partial conversions, total means total

[sonic terrace]

its literally super mario with guns

[halcyon willow]

Yes golden souls is a total conversion

[crystal hill]

is it? not by your definition

[halcyon willow]

GS3 might even be a full standalone?

I'd have to check

[sonic terrace]

i thought you guys were arguing about that

[sonic terrace]

nah, its a wad

[halcyon willow]

That's just a file format

[crystal hill]

I'm arguing total conversions don't have to replace everything. He is arguing the opposite

[halcyon willow]

The relevant question is, does GS3 need doom2.wad to run

[crystal hill]

its not out yet, just the demo

[sonic terrace]

how do we test that out?

[crystal hill]

and the demo needs doom 2 to run

[halcyon willow]

his mod is NOT standalone, DOOM2.wad and Gzdoom are required to play!

You go read things

That's from Batandy's itch page for GS3

[crystal hill]

or test it yourself

As a rule of thumb, if a wad/game uses any assets from Doom, it cant be standalone or it would violate copyright

[halcyon willow]

Anyhoo, Golden Souls good

[crystal hill]

All three GS games use stock doom enemies like imps and pinkies

[sonic terrace]

yeah

caco's too

[crystal hill]

so Batandy cant make those standalone without violating copyright. Or is it IP?

[halcyon willow]

You can't distribute copyright assets without permission

[crystal hill]

hence why you need to provide the IWAD yourself

[halcyon willow]

Technically you can sell a mod or wad, as long as you don't include doom.wad etc with it

[sonic terrace]

i thought making the game open source gave you the right to use everything from the game?

even outside of doom

[halcyon willow]

Only doom's code is open source

[crystal hill]

nope

[sonic terrace]

was i wrong the whole time?

damn

[halcyon willow]

The code being open source is why ports exist, and why you can sell gzdoom games (or any port with correct licensing)

[sonic terrace]

isnt that illegal

[halcyon willow]

GZDoom can be sold, but the code must remain open source

[sonic terrace]

ahh okay

[halcyon willow]

So I can't make a GZDoom fork, and have paid access be the only way to get that fork. There must be a freely available source for the code

Only the engine code

Or anything that touches the engine code, which is where GPL open source licensing get complicated

But back to your question, the actual assets (monsters, texutres, sounds etc) are still copyright property of idsoftware

[sonic terrace]

im curious about this though, has a doom wad ever been sold digitally?

that has to be illegal

[halcyon willow]

Probably

Nope

You can sell your maps

Just not doom1/2.wad

[sonic terrace]

holy greed dude

[halcyon willow]

How is that greedy lol

[sonic terrace]

why are they selling doom wads

[halcyon willow]

People want to be paid for their work

[sonic terrace]

when 99% of wads are free

people just do it for the love of the game

[halcyon willow]

Creator's choice

You don't get to dictate what value people put on their own work

[sonic terrace]

i know

but still,

[halcyon willow]

That all being said, it is rare for people to pay wall custom wads

[sonic terrace]

doom modding is for fun

[halcyon willow]

It's for whatever you want it to be

That's why it's cool

[sonic terrace]

i dont think anyone would pay for doom wads

[halcyon willow]

It'd have to be extremely good quality

[sonic terrace]

it better be

[halcyon willow]

But like I said, it's very rare for that to actually happen

[sonic terrace]

for money

[halcyon willow]

Commissions are much more common. Paid to do music, create textures, create enemies etc

[sonic terrace]

for music i understand, because music is important in a game

even if the wad is amazing what is it without music?

or worse, shitty music

[halcyon willow]

I mean, everything is important

Everything contributes to the overall experience

You actually have to work hard to find a bad doom midi

Ridiculous amount of music talent in the doom community

[sonic terrace]

yeah

İ love the doom midi's

[halcyon willow]

It's good shit

[crystal hill]

someone might

[sonic terrace]

that electric guitar sound

it doesnt sound hig quality, but it sounds like doom

[crystal hill]

people dont charge for them 99.9% of the time, but they could, if they dont use any copyrighted material

[sonic terrace]

you cant recreate it

[crystal hill]

hell, I know some composers charge for new midis now

[sonic terrace]

that one is reasonable

as i said, even if a wad is good what is it without good music?

[crystal hill]

a good wad

you could play some music of your own, or reuse some from somewhere else

[sonic terrace]

but thats just not the way

would you want to play a magnificent wad thats enough to make a grown man cry, but it has terrible music

i dont think so

[shut raft]

So I had kind of a stupid idea that I'm making a map out of
It's a map but every monster is an archvile and it's maze like, inspired by Plutonia
It's not a slaughtermap tho, I wanna make it fun to play
It's called "oops! All archviles!"

[sonic terrace]

hunted II

[shut raft]

The rooms of the map are designed around that

You're given resources to fight the archviles but you gotta play smart around cover

[sonic terrace]

i got a better one

"hunted 2 extinction"

eh? eh?

[crystal hill]

yeah

[crystal hill]

so arch violence?

[sonic terrace]

ah come on you gotta admit that was cool!

[sonic terrace]

dont cheap out on the resources this time

[shut raft]

Oh I'm giving the player plenty right off the bat

80 shells, a backpack, rocket launcher, buncha rockets, a berserk, and mega armor

[sonic terrace]

super shotgun?

[shut raft]

I don't want the map to be "conserve ammo" it's gonna be more "maneuver smartly"

[shut raft]

How could I not

[sonic terrace]

super shotgun, a mans 2nd best friend

[crystal hill]

have you played arch violence in plutonia 2?

[shut raft]

I beat Plutonia on hurt me plenty
I'm still forging the pair of balls I need to play it on uv

[sonic terrace]

i started my ultra violence arc with plutonia

[crystal hill]

Plutonia 2

not plutonia 1

[shut raft]

Oh didn't read it right mb

[sonic terrace]

that was when i realized i made a devastating mistake

[shut raft]

Nah I haven't played it

[crystal hill]

I ask because Plutonia 2 has a level called Arch Violence that is doing a similar thing to you

[shut raft]

Uv is the gentleman's way if playing doom - Civvie11

[crystal hill]

nothing wrong with doing something again, you should just have a look at it to see if you aren't just doing things 1:1 identically as it

[sonic terrace]

i played doom,doom 2,master levels,evilution on hurt me plenty

[crystal hill]

its a very memorable map and comparisons will be made

[shut raft]

I have not played that map I don't think you can rip off something you haven't even seen

But I'll check the map out to see what's different

[crystal hill]

a map made exclusively of arch viles can only have so many variations

[sonic terrace]

which map is arch violence? @crystal hill i want to try it out rn

[crystal hill]

so many different fights, etc

[sonic terrace]

im gonna download plutonia 2 just for that

[crystal hill]

Map 11

[sonic terrace]

same with hunted

[crystal hill]

dont do it on UV, or even HMP. That wad is hard as balls

[sonic terrace]

it cant be that hard

im gonna try it out right now

on ultra violence

[median cloud]

Pl2 arch-violence is amazing and does sound a lot like what ur describing

[shut raft]

I'll put "inspired by map 11 of Plutonia and Plutonia 2" so I can just anticipate the comparisons to those maps

[median cloud]

Mostly good cuz of atmosphere however

[shut raft]

Idk how to change level music tho so I think running from evil is gonna be a very recurring theme in my mapa

[crystal hill]

lmao

[shut raft]

Maps*
But eh it's my favorite doom song anyway

[crystal hill]

thats doing the gameplay a disservice

[sonic terrace]

maybe trying arch violence on ultra violence WAS a bad idea

im gonna try it on hey not too rough

fuck this map

im not playing it

[crystal hill]

what'd I tell ya?

Plutonia 2

• "Pyrarinth" by James Paddock (Jimmy), Map 01

• "Bloody Hell" by Jamie Robertson, Map 2

• "Become the Hunted" by Jimmy, Map 11

• "Nobody Told Me About Plutonia" by Jimmy, Map 32

• "Night Run" by stewboy, Map 17

• "End is Nigh" by Jamie Robertson, Map 20

• "I will chop Mariah Carey's head off with a chainsaw" by Paul Corfiatis (pcorf), Map 21

• "Sanctified" by Jimmy, Map 25

• "The Hunt" by Jamie Robertson, Map 29

• "Still of the Night" by Hiroki Kikuta, Map 00 of Golden Souls by Batandy (originally from Secret of Mana)

• "Daffodil Petals" by Toby Fox, Map 01 of Golden Souls by Batandy (originally from Make Music, Throw Music)

• "Untitled" by BPRD, Map 24 of Community Chest 2 by BPRD

Here's a very incomplete list of doom songs I find very memorable, for one reason or another

[sonic terrace]

why did everyone suddenly stop texting

[sharp wyvern]

Nothing to say

[sonic terrace]

lets just glaze LoR

i loved it so much that i get a mod for every wad i play that adds the LoR weapons to the game

and even have a special statbar for it too

GLAZİNG LEGACY OF RUST İS THE REASON THİS HEART BEATS!

[hollow tree]

[sonic terrace]

i will glaze legacy of rust t'ill the end of my life

[sharp wyvern]

amen brother

[cunning compass]

I’ve been trying to play LoR but haven’t gotten far because of the Ghouls which is giving me Doom 64 Lost Soul flashbacks

[sonic terrace]

they die to a single shotgun shot dude

[cunning compass]

I get that but if you’re also trying to clear a wave, they still are annoying

[sonic terrace]

you can make them infight with demons

thats so fun to do

nice pfp btw

[cunning compass]

Thanks

[sharp wyvern]

They’re really annoying tbf

[sonic terrace]

i know

[sharp wyvern]

Ghouls aren’t even the worst ones in the wad lol

[sonic terrace]

but atleast they are weak

the mindweaver is the worst one

[cunning compass]

I haven’t gotten too far so I haven’t encountered anything crazy yet

[sonic terrace]

you have to play it

its so good

after you finish it you will see why i glaze it too much

[maiden sequoia]

Ah yes classic doom the game where I can hear doom guy grunt when hitting walls

[sonic cedar]

hi people do any of you have tips for doom 1 im just curious how it can be slightly easier for me

and possibly others if they read the tips and they mayhaps dont know about them yet

[storm tapir]

Turn auto run on if you don't have it on already (if you are using a port)

[sonic cedar]

okay ty

[storm tapir]

And if on keyboard + mouse controls use the strafe left\right buttons instead of the turn left\right keys

Rest the game should be fine if you start from doom 1, although you might want to play Doom 1 episodes 1-3 then Doom 2 before touching Doom episode 4 as that's a huge jump in difficulty

Doesn't matter much if you are not playing on 4th or 5th skill level.. well maybe stay away from 5th difficulty on first playthrough is also a good idea

[sonic cedar]

i just go with whatever the game automatically puts the difficulty on

so the 3rd one for doom 1

[storm tapir]

That's an ok baseline yeah

[crystal hill]

The shotgun is pretty good at range

You dont need to close the distance with most monsters as a result

[rocky vale]

One good thing I would say is to always have one gun as a “reserve” gun where you only use it where either you have absolutely no ammo, or am in a crowded situation. Generally I have the chain gun as it.

[distant yarrow]

Yo Wsg

Just joined

So whats y’all’s opinion for the best doom game

Mines doom II

[regal bison]

doom 3d0

[crystal hill]

if we're counting custom wads, Doom 2

if just the out of the box experience, 2016 or eternal

[regal bison]

OK but actually I adore the first game and plutonia.

[distant yarrow]

Some people hate this opinion, but brutal doom is pretty good

[crystal hill]

plutonia's my favourite official wad

its very well designed, and a challenge even at my current skill level

[crystal hill]

its not bad, doesn't fit too well into the standard levels though

its perfect with the hell on earth starter pack though. Very worthwhile experience

[distant yarrow]

Do y’all know any good classic doom mods

[crystal hill]

Going Down, Overboard, Plutonia 2, Auger Zenith, Speed of Doom, Ancient Aliens

[distant yarrow]

Thanks

[distant yarrow]

Going down is peak

[crystal hill]

cyriak is my favourite wad author

he has a unique style to everything that's in his maps. They're so much fun

[sonic cedar]

funnily enough i use the chaingun the most

do i use something else as my main gun or

[crystal hill]

the shotgun is good enough for most enemies in doom 1

save your chaingun for when you're fighting something tougher, or are getting swarmed, or are getting close to maximum bullets

[rocky vale]

Honestly, from ages of playing doom 1, I have forgotten about the super shotgun

[sonic cedar]

what i do is use the shotgun if theres like one demon only, chaingun if theres more and if theres a group i use the rocket launcher

if im bored which i havent been yet i use anything i wanna and that includes fists

which is probably not a good idea but still

[crystal hill]

thats a shame

[rocky vale]

I know

[crystal hill]

the super shotgun might be the best thing about that game

[crystal hill]

you can handle two or three smaller demons with the shotgun

especially if they're not too close to you

[sonic cedar]

i use the shotgun at close range because it feels good oneshotting demons

and i use it close range out of spite too because i got point blank shotgunned once and i hate demons 10% more ever since

[rocky vale]

Yes I totally agree. Though it’s not the greatest for me. If I play doom 2 or above with online multiplayer, my ping is so high due to me being in Australia, and that makes like a noticable 1 sec shoot delay for me.

Anyone want to play multiplayer now or are y’all good??? Just saying I have some free time on me right now and I am bored but only want to play online multiplayer doom.

[crystal hill]

Which maps?

[rocky vale]

Any. You chose. I don’t really care at this point. Just want to play

[crystal hill]

well, if you like playing Doom 1, we can try fava beans

[rocky vale]

What’s fava beans?

Just asking

[crystal hill]

doom 1 mapset from the 90s. Very similar in style to Episode 1

[rocky vale]

Is that modded?

Or no?

[crystal hill]

no, its just a different set of maps

why, do you play modded?

[rocky vale]

No I just don’t have modded maps so I was asking.

I have like all the original maps and also the newer ones

[rocky vale]

When are we playing?

[crystal hill]

I can do it now. Do you play multiplayer through the kex port?

[rocky vale]

Kex port? Do you mean normal multiplayer or referring to something else?

[crystal hill]

?

I'm confused now. How do you play doom?

[rocky vale]

Through the game pass.

Xbox

[crystal hill]

hm

I wonder if pc and xbox players can even play doom together

[rocky vale]

Yess there is cross play

[crystal hill]

ok then

I've set up the room, code kbvy

[rocky vale]

You pyromaniac8?

[crystal hill]

yes

you disconnected

[rocky vale]

My game keeps crashing

I will try one more time. If it doesn’t work, then I don’t know what to do.

[crystal hill]

I guess I can try playing the official maps instead

[rocky vale]

If this time it fails the. We might

Ye I am unable to join sorry

[crystal hill]

dunno what to do then

[rocky vale]

Original maps?

[crystal hill]

GCXN

[rocky vale]

What’s that

[crystal hill]

The code

[rocky vale]

Joining

[distant yarrow]

One of the most satisfying reloads in doom II

[sharp wyvern]

Doom 2016, TDA or Legacy of Rust

[distant yarrow]

Legacy of rust is 👌

[rocky vale]

Nice

[crystal hill]

cool

dont think I have it in me to play more maps today

[rocky vale]

There’s first chapter in doom one

That’s totally fine

[sonic cedar]

how do i effectively kill the barons of hell in doom 1 they really grind my gears

[crystal hill]

either be patient or find big guns

[distant yarrow]

Hm well a couple shots from the super shotgun will work or if you want them GONE, use the bfg

[crystal hill]

super shotgun doesnt exist in doom 1

[distant yarrow]

Oh shi im stupid

[sonic cedar]

wb on e1m7 where i currently am

no e1m8 mbmb

[distant yarrow]

My bad

I low-key gotta get some sleep i just said use the super shotgun in the original doom

[tough harbor]

Is it possible to beat Level 32 of Doom 2 without secrets, with pistol start?

[crystal hill]

uh, yeah

just ignore the enemies and kill the keens

[tough harbor]

Ok

And a pacifist?

[crystal hill]

maybe, if you can get the cyber to kill the keens for you

you can try it for yourself, you know

[woven swallow]

theoretically possible, but the odds are so low, it's damn near impossible to beat the final map

[tough harbor]

I tried playing on "Hurt Me Plenty," but the counter shows 86% kills.

[crystal hill]

you cant beat map 30 pacifist because you need to shoot rockets into the brain

but werent we talking about map 32?

[tough harbor]

yes

[woven swallow]

ohhh, i thought he meant all 32 levels of doom2 💀

[livid light]

map32 is technically impossible on pacifist because of the commander keens you need to kill

[crystal hill]

I just said you can use the cyber to kill those

and infighting isn't breaking pacifist rules

[tough harbor]

They might kill the Cyberdemon.

[livid light]

ah i didnt realize

[bitter shoal]

yeah.. Pacifist runs in pretty much... any game tends to be morally hypocritical and more about keeping obstacles in your way than actually being a purist about not killing

pacifists mario still needs to jump on the axe that gets bowser killed, etc

[prime lava]

a true pacifist run would be a lemmings run, you dont hurt any monsters and monsters dont hurt each other

it might include reality too (not taking damage) but i dont remember

but yea no one really takes that seriously

[crystal hill]

doom is weird in that there are times when monsters will shoot each other with no input from the player

[bitter shoal]

TECHNICALLY

no monster runs are exactly that, and they are serious speedruns surprisingly

[prime lava]

i mean yeah im a nomo speedrunner, but lemmings isnt even a category itll get probably get marked as "other" on dsda

i guess maybe its more comparable to collector

[bitter shoal]

oh I see

how does one define that, 0% kill on end level screen?

[prime lava]

which is nomo while getting all keys and weapons? But the rules arent even agreed upon

it used to be a category but now its not

[prime lava]

Lemmings? Idk you can tell if any monsters have been hurt through modern source ports

Health bars and shit

But that would be on playback ofc you cant record demos with that on

[sonic terrace]

classic doom or any doom?

[tough harbor]

Can you recommend a decent wad? (Sorry, I'm using a translator)

[crystal hill]

Going Down

[sonic terrace]

amalgoom

its really good

[tough harbor]

I played through it—I hear Skythe 2 is actually pretty good.

[crystal hill]

most people think so, but I'm less positive on it

[sonic terrace]

try amalgoom

[tough harbor]

I’ve just played through two levels, and I’m getting a serious sense of déjà vu—look, there’s a secret exit just like the one in E1M1! And over there—that room looks exactly like the one in Map 1 of Doom II.

[crystal hill]

yeah, thats the whole gimmick

[sonic terrace]

because amalgoom is a combination of the maps of doom 1 and doom 2

[tough harbor]

Interesting

[sonic terrace]

the secrets too

the wolfenstein secrets are so hard

[distant yarrow]

Any doom game

[distant yarrow]

Wolfenstein 3D is peak just running around trying to find the secrets

[crystal hill]

I think its quite boring that way

[sonic terrace]

im talking about the wolfenstein secret maps

in doom 2

they are even harder in amalgoom

a shit ton of enemies

[sonic terrace]

Legacy of rust,all the other wads included in doom + doom 2 (except sigil 1 and 2),doom eternal

[distant yarrow]

Ohhh they are pretty cool

[bitter shoal]

Some of the authors put their own artistic spin on them that elevates them as well

[sonic terrace]

yeah but they are insanely hard

[median cloud]

Its great

[sharp wyvern]

Why except Sigil 1 and 2???

[grizzled forge]

Does any map makers like to help me and my friend on this huge doom project we are doing?

We need all the help we can

Just dm

[crystal hill]

Sigil 1 is my 2nd favourite out of them all

[sharp wyvern]

It really is excellent

I got 3 replies to my doomworld post and all 3 said different things so 😭

[crystal hill]

which post?

[sharp wyvern]

Mephisto

I think I am satisfied with the “tomb rev is the body, IoS is the soul” OR “the IoS is some kind of entrance to the next Cabal map (not in ML)” explanations though

[median cloud]

Sigil is good

Sigil 2 is meh imo

[sharp wyvern]

i agree

[crystal hill]

I noticed that Sigil II didn't even get mentioned in its years Cacowards

so thats not a good sign

[bitter shoal]

I've realized something about John Romero: He either makes something amazing, a complete disaster, or both. There is no middle.

[crystal hill]

some of his maps in classic doom are merely fine

[sharp wyvern]

sigil ii is just fine

it needed to iterate more on sigil but all it does is add an (admittedly neat) way of hiding secrets

[crystal hill]

the 30 second timed ones?

I hate the one in monster condo, having more of those in Sigil II sounds disheartening

[sharp wyvern]

nah those are ass (and also in sigil 1)

[crystal hill]

I dont remember those in sigil 1

[sharp wyvern]

oh wait yeah nvm theyre only in 2 idk how i misremembered

but anyway no those are ass, sigil 2 has its own other thing as well as that which i wont spoil but its good

[crystal hill]

I would have remembered those and hated them with a passion

[sharp wyvern]

i really wish he had like a baphomet boss or something in e6m8

doesn't have to be anything crazy

im aware that baphomet can't die cause it's meant to be II's IoS but you could like damage them or something

[crystal hill]

wouldnt be much of a victory then

[sharp wyvern]

is it really much of a victory anyway

[crystal hill]

at least you get to kill the spiderdemon and cyberdemon

rather than damage them

[sharp wyvern]

yeah but like you've already killed 3 spiderdemons prior and the "victory" is being sent back to the demon infested earth :p

i think beating the crap out of baphomet so bad you get sent to earth is neat

[crystal hill]

which would happen even if you hurt baphomet

[sharp wyvern]

?

[crystal hill]

getting sent back to demon infested earth, having achieved nothing

[sharp wyvern]

youve achieved being sent out of the pits of hell

[crystal hill]

Doom has an excuse plot, hence why Romero didn't bother making a new final boss

[crystal hill]

which you already achieved in Doom 1

[sharp wyvern]

yeah but sigil 1 undid that :p

[sharp wyvern]

well yeah the excuse is to fight cool stuff

if im fighting a lame thing wheres the fun

[crystal hill]

Cyberdemons arent exactly lame

you know what is lame? the icon of sin

[sharp wyvern]

theyre lamer if theyve been the boss multiple times prior

[sharp wyvern]

agreed which is why this hypothetical other boss does smth else

[crystal hill]

I'll take a cyber spider duo than the icon of sin any way

[crystal hill]

but you'd need to explain why

and also figure out what it would do, and program it

easier to make maps than to make maps with custom enemies

[sharp wyvern]

i dont mind sigil ii being delayed a lil if it makes it a bit more interesting

[crystal hill]

it was released on Doom's 30th birthday

[sharp wyvern]

yeah i mean thats neat and all but still

also i mean it could just do a going down and be pre-existing enemy ai reused and combined

[sharp wyvern]

the explanation is that its a new boss :p

i wonder if Hellion will be added to DOOM + DOOM II when its done ngl

[crystal hill]

again, would take time to do

plus romero seems hell bent on using only doom 1 enemies instead of the more interesting doom 2 ones, making me think he wouldn't want a new final boss type thing

[sharp wyvern]

fuck you vega

i guesssss

[crystal hill]

maybe he'll actually do something more for hellion

[sharp wyvern]

idk it's just a bit boring having doom 1's bosses be "baron" "cyberdemon" "spiderdemon" "spiderdemon" "spiderdemon" "spiderdemon"

to be charitable to sigil 1 that one is more like a boss rush

[crystal hill]

idk it's just a bit boring having doom 1~~'s bosses be "baron" "cyberdemon" "spiderdemon" "spiderdemon" "spiderdemon" "spiderdemon"~~

Romero does wonders with the enemy roster, but its still neutered compared to Doom 2's

[sharp wyvern]

i doubt he'll use the icon at least unless he's determined to prove it can be done well

[crystal hill]

it can be done okaaaaaay

[sharp wyvern]

i would actually like to see him try at doing it well

id's classic doom desperately needs a good IoS fight

[crystal hill]

plutonia 2 has an example of that. You press switches, fight cyberdemons, then raise platforms that STAY UP that you use to reach and shoot the head

[sharp wyvern]

though actually i doubt hellion will be added to doom + doom ii FUCK

[sharp wyvern]

i did actually enjoy that one yeah

[crystal hill]

its not a great level, but its the best IoS I've played

[crystal hill]

the support for it's already ended, it seems

[sharp wyvern]

tnt's level is almost good and then it has a fucked up hitbox lol

[sharp wyvern]

well maybe but they dont really have anything to add really

sigil ii got added almost a year later theres always hope 💖

maybe there will be a Definitive Definitive Definitive Doom I + II for the glup shitto engine by then

[crystal hill]

but its been two years since...

[crystal hill]

It seems like an easy marketing tactic to get another community wad and release it exclusively on D1+2

Get interest reinvigorated for a while

maybe alongside the dark ages DLC everyone in general is coping about

[sharp wyvern]

only one since it stopped updating

[crystal hill]

only one so far

[sharp wyvern]

like you mean TNT-style or

TNT-style or Sigil-style

legacy of rust lowkey made me greedy because i wish D64 Lost Levels was a similar overhaul

[crystal hill]

any style I guess

[sharp wyvern]

i mean like snatched up and made official before it comes out or taking one thats out and adding it

[crystal hill]

like, get some community members to make a wad, like with LoR, then release it on D1+2 exclusively

maybe use ID24 as well

[sharp wyvern]

ohh ok so more like LoR and Plutonia ok

[crystal hill]

yeah

[sharp wyvern]

like IT'S SUCH A MISSED OPPORTUNITY

YOU DON'T HAVE THE D64 ENGINE LIMIT ANYMORE!!! THE REVENANT AND ARCHVILE ATTACKS ARE ALREADY IN GAME!! YOU HAVE PHOTOS OF THEIR PHYSICAL MODELS!!!

[crystal hill]

wait, you know what they COULD do?

re-release the console exclusive levels

[median cloud]

I think LoR is so overrated haha rip

[crystal hill]

(excluding the xbox levels those suck fucking shit)

[sharp wyvern]

no they should be included too

[crystal hill]

either release them in their own episode or make a ps1 style doom 1 + 2wad that includes those levels

[crystal hill]

the people dont deserve to have to play those

[sharp wyvern]

if they had infinite time and resources i'd want them to add a PSX music pack (would require changing how the music system works) and throw in the console levels somehow

and if it wouldnt be a crazy amount of money id love for buckethead and thorr's osts to be added

[median cloud]

There arent that many exclusive levels tbf

Ps has like 3-4?

[crystal hill]

enough for an episode

[sharp wyvern]

also i'd want the master levels changed from a random order wad and instead into a level selector

[median cloud]

I should rate them tbh

[crystal hill]

almost 10 I think

[storm tapir]

I don't think it is a fucked up hitbox as much as a design miss up. The idea seems to have been to let you use the stairs and shoot it while falling without waiting a stupid elevator while lost souls and arch-viles try to kick you off.. but it is placed badly so you can just stand on the stair and kill it from there. (And also the monsters in cages can teleport in to give you immediate challenge but it is map30 so they all telefrag each other lol)

[median cloud]

Only if u count xbox and remakes

[sharp wyvern]

or at least have their wad order shuffled around to be in the right order tf

kex's master levels order is literally just random lol

[storm tapir]

Wouldn't surprise me if TNT's final level was not tested in the map30 slot and the mapper didn't know map30 had a special monster telefrag interaction

[sharp wyvern]

also if you're gonna add text screens then make the level descriptions text screens or something for sauce

[crystal hill]

its 8, not counting xbox levels

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/MAP29:_Twilight_Descends_(PlayStation_Doom)

there's a list on the side here

[sharp wyvern]

club doom #1 doom ost

[crystal hill]

I dont think most of these levels are greaaaat, but it would be nice to play them officially

[median cloud]

Hmmm Hell Keep is a maybe

But yeah

k imma rate them

[regal needle]

Hello

[crystal hill]

hi

[regal needle]

Hi, How are you?

[crystal hill]

alright, still a day and a half of the weekend ahead of me

Most of it spent playing Doom

[median cloud]

Ive never played the xbox exclusive levels

[crystal hill]

don't

[median cloud]

Can u just find them online?

[crystal hill]

you can, but don't

[crystal hill]

the xbox levels are actually levels made in 1994 by one of the guys working on the port, who put them in as bonuses

they are nowhere near as good as the cacoward winners of 1994

[median cloud]

In 1994?

Xbox surely didnt exist back then

And yeh Ive heard they suck but I wanna rate them so

Aslong as they dont take an hour

[crystal hill]

no, silly. He made those levels then, and when he worked on the xbox port, he figured "I'll include these as secrets, why not"

[crystal hill]

they will probably take about that long both put together

they're ugly, confusing messes

[median cloud]

Pffft rip

Betray looks short

Sewers is rough

I will rate their difficulty based on the port as well which is mostly only relevant on psx doom

[crystal hill]

Both maps merge together in my head. Betray looks less cluttered and messy, but its still both of those things

[median cloud]

I think the mansion is my favorite exclusive

[crystal hill]

how are you playing them?

[sand obsidian]

Just did E4M6 Pistol Start, 100% Kills, 100% Items And 100% Secrets On Nightmare

Never Again

[median cloud]

Through some tc port

Cant remember exactly

Prior to that I used a tc for gzdoom

PsyDoom @crystal hill

Its very faithful and feels awkward cuz of it haha

Movement feels so weird

[crystal hill]

odds are it won't run on linux

not without an hour of effort behind it

[median cloud]

Prob

I have trouble rating their difficulty

Ive played them so often but gotta pistol start them

[crystal hill]

I've actually got it running with no problem

so thats cool. Is there a way to warp to the exclusive levels?

oh right, idclev. Well, this is far easier than I expected.

[median cloud]

What method are u usibg?

[crystal hill]

idclev

[median cloud]

I mean for psx doom

Psydoom? Smth else?

[crystal hill]

Oh. Psydoom

the authors were kind enough to make an appimage for linux, which works very simply. Like an exe file on windows

[median cloud]

Im gonna play through the exclusives this evening

[crystal hill]

I'll give them a whirl for the 25th anniversary of 1995

it'll be a hell of a mix. Thy Flesh Consumed, the Master Levels and the PSX levels

[median cloud]

Rough

[crystal hill]

well, partially

TFC and most Master Levels will at least be short

[median cloud]

I suppose

[karmic pecan]

hello sry for disturbing you recently downloaded doom 2 and i want to get into modding it gz doom or uz doom which should i choose?

[crystal hill]

uzdoom is the more up to date version

some mods wont work with it, and will need older versions of gzdoom

[karmic pecan]

oh ok thanks but which has more mods?

[crystal hill]

both have the same mods

uzdoom has the more up to date ones

[karmic pecan]

so can a mod like brutal doom work on uz doom?

[crystal hill]

yes, it can

[karmic pecan]

sorry once again can gz doom mods work on uz doom?

[woven swallow]

yes

[crystal hill]

yes

you should try whichever ones you are worried about

[karmic pecan]

thank you so much

[lost ocean]

Has anyone here played doom 2 map 33

[crystal hill]

you mean betray?

[lost ocean]

Ye

What music plays

I remember reading its the intermission

[crystal hill]

its the music that plays on the text screen

[livid light]

i think it was called “read me while listening to this” by bobby prince ofc

[sonic terrace]

ALL gzdoom mods work with uzdoom

uzdoom is just gzdoom with slight improvements and no ai code unlike gzdoom

[sonic terrace]

İts kris dreemur from the game deltarune! say your iconic line!

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/yfkoZbjLN4Q?si=T6jrlqibAsnv4n4q

[fallen kayak]

Zero-Master returns!
(Though no secret maps this time)

[sonic cedar]

hi people

i just beat e1m1 and e2m1 (im new to doom 1)

i just wanted to share my opinion that its fun

have a good day people

[halcyon crest]

play the entire first episode before going to the second one

[sonic cedar]

mb i meant e1m8

i wasnt really focused sorry

[median cloud]

Lol @crystal hill the ps1 version of hells keep is pretty hard to max

[halcyon crest]

oh okay

[median cloud]

I ran out of ammo first try

[crystal hill]

says so on the wiki, too

guess i'll have to resort to ol' reliable, infighting

[median cloud]

Oh wow you're right "This is considered one of the hardest official maps to play from a pistol start, especially on higher skill levels, due to a thorough paucity of ammo, armor, and weapons. The map does not appear to have been designed with such play in mind.
"

[crystal hill]

weird, because every map in Doom PC had pistol starting in mind

maybe this is where Doom 64 gets its hostility to pistol starting from

[livid light]

williams was in charge of the playstation port tho, so when they had to change the levels a bit maybe they didnt have that thought in mind

[crystal hill]

we're talking about a completely new level here

[median cloud]

Yeah I think psx doom is a lot more hostile pistol start than I remembered

Twilight descends was easier than hells keep but still rougher than I expected

I always considered psx doom as very easy

[storm tapir]

Even the existing levels are ridiculous on the console ports, doesn't the very first map have a pain elemental lol

[crystal hill]

yes, in one of the secrets

A full playthrough of those maps could be fun. But not right now

[storm tapir]

I tried but the constant monster changes gave me a headache lol

as silly as it sounds, threw me off too much

[crystal hill]

No, I get that

lots of people who play the classics want a similar experience. Like comfort food

[storm tapir]

Not as bad as mods that flip the levels

[median cloud]

Most of the monsters are weaker tho

The revenant is so slow

[storm tapir]

Maybe rebalanced for controllers

80 damage revenants would've been good for tv vendors back then

And some monsters are already used to nonstop nerfs like mancubus

[sharp wyvern]

if they did another wad like legacy of rust i'd like to see a nerfed archvile style enemy

like can res but doesn't do the flame attack i think you could get some mileage out of that

[median cloud]

I'd like a monster that adds a new dimension to the combat but I can't really think of one right now

We have continuous fire, spread fire, spawner, reviving, hitscans, homing missiles

Maybe a monster that has a short range blast in a way, like a monster that spawns some form of forcefield around itself with a limited range that damages you if you're in it

[sharp wyvern]

bull chicken

[crystal hill]

I dunno about that

arch viles are damn near perfect as they are. The flame attack forces you to respect them while doing your best to kill them quick before they can res the whole map

it also leaves them open before and after it which is a great time to attack them

[crystal hill]

you'd need some very specific level design to make it work

stick that enemy into the middle of courtyard and it'll be a sitting duck

[median cloud]

I was thinking in a similar concept to the suicide bombers

[sharp wyvern]

it'd be a different use case

[sharp wyvern]

isn't that sort of the banshee then?

[crystal hill]

in what way?

[median cloud]

Ah right rip

Gotta think further then

hard to come up with original concepts

Maybe something like eviternity 2's teleporting imps or the ancient aliens invis soldiers

[sharp wyvern]

pretty much every single wholly unique enemy type has been covered now that LoR exists tbh, im really not sure what else you could add other than combining stuff for bosses and such

which is what romero shouldve done for sigil 2's final boss

[median cloud]

Yeah I was thinking flamethrower but we kinda have that with the Vasago

Maybe an enemy that splits in 2 smaller enemies after killing them

[sharp wyvern]

actually scratch that i just remembered a better take on it but it's a 2025 cacowards spoiler so i can't say how they balanced it to you

[median cloud]

but a pain elemental kinda has that

[sharp wyvern]

pain elemeYeah.

[median cloud]

Actually kinda crazy how diverse the cast was

[sharp wyvern]

but what i was gonna say BEFORE i remembered the better idea is that basically you could use more of them but they're less powerful which kind of changes how crowd control goes

[median cloud]

iD was king with this stuff, quake 3's weapon roster is also almost perfect

[crystal hill]

I appreciate the spoiler tag

even if I'll only get to those next year, so I wont remember nay spoilers

[sharp wyvern]

clearly we need a boss that fires a bfg

thats a niche that isnt filled

[median cloud]

haha yeah

the infighting that monster will create

[sharp wyvern]

ngl i wouldve liked if legacy of rust called ghouls "the forgotten ones" instead like the doom 3 enemy

since it would be a neat callback and also it would be the same joke

[median cloud]

Do u have a favorite custom monster?

[sharp wyvern]

hmmm

i like a lot of scythe 2's

which LoR totally nabbed lol which is probably why i enjoyed it so much

[crystal hill]

The afrit is neat, but it has too much health

the evil marine can go to hell

[median cloud]

No realm667 monsters?

[sharp wyvern]

i enjoy the idea of an arachnorb

cause its silly

[median cloud]

Your annihilators, demolishers, pyrodemon, bruiser demon etc etc

cybruiser.. heh

Afrit has a super cool design

[sharp wyvern]

afrit does look sick

im a sucker for when nudoom (including 3) enemies are recreated in classic tbh i enjoy seeing some of that

[crystal hill]

eviternity has permanently radicalised me against monsters that shoot rockets

[sharp wyvern]

enemy that shoots rockets (wolfenstein) 💖
enemy that shoots rockets (doom) 💔

[crystal hill]

at least in wolfenstein they add some desperately needed variety

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/QEdyOuXHlm0

[rugged blaze]

Them being ghouls never really made sense to me, I’d love to see an actual ghoul for DOOM

They almost look like hairless werewolves in modern depictions

I like the horned look of their original folklore form as well, evil genies

[hoary forge]

I GOT PAST THE FIRST IMP CLIFF IN OKUPLOK WITH SAVES 🔥

[woven swallow]

Yo nice 👍

With enough practice you can definitely do it without saves

[crystal hill]

anyone here played Lost Civilisation?

[sonic cedar]

doom 1s e2m2 track sounds very good

that is all have a good day people

[livid light]

i played it but never finished it, the maps were very cool tho

[crystal hill]

the visuals and atmosphere are beautiful, but it's not very fun to play

[livid light]

ye that was my problem, its kinda like the visual side is cool but the actual level design is kinda weird, i think i finished map04 and just stopped playing it

[crystal hill]

I'm spending more time looking for secrets than actually fighting stuff

[crystal hill]

I don't think I'm going to give it much time either

[livid light]

some maps felt like they dragged on for waaay too long too imo, i think map02 had you going back and forth in a sorta mountain

[crystal hill]

yes indeed. I'm going through it now

300 enemies, and they're all spread out so much

[livid light]

ill put in spoiler just in case you havent reached this part but ||i remember in the map02 (i think?) end when you had to go back to the start monsters just started spawning basically everywhere in the map||

[crystal hill]

yeah, I saw that

and it's not even a good fight at the end of the day. The monsters are just slapped in haphazardly as if the author knew he needed a fight but had no idea how to calibrate one

[sonic terrace]

i killed the baby in rootpain.wad

[crystal hill]

what a sentence

[sonic terrace]

yeah

i just reduced its hp to 1 in slade 3

it was easy

but nothing happened after i killed it

what a rip off!

[crystal hill]

Eviternity beaten, finally

It's by far my favourite Scythe game

[sharp wyvern]

what wad is next for you

[hoary forge]

eehh

just a few years lol

shouldnt be that much

oh wait i thought you were talking about the whole map lol 😭

oh yeah i think i can def do the imp cliff with enough practice

[crystal hill]

first Entropy (lol), then DBP 16

I'm very nearly done with the 2019 cacowards, and I'm quite excited

[sharp wyvern]

sweet

[crystal hill]

and I've still got wads like Sigil left to play

[sharp wyvern]

youve played sigil before tho right

[crystal hill]

yes I have. I'm playing everything that got a cacoward/honorable mention, even if I played it prior

[sharp wyvern]

random question for the chat but is there a doom enemy im forgetting that fires wide projectiles you have to dodge

i was thinking abt if there were zombies for every classic doom gun and calamity blade zombie that does that sounds kinda fun

[livid light]

i guess the mancubus? the arachnotron fires plasma bullets and the cyberdemon rockets, and the revenants got some sorta in-between

[sharp wyvern]

yeah ig the manc has bigger projectiles in general

[livid light]

maybe a plasma rifle zombie would’ve been cool as well, kinda easy to kill but projectiles would be annoying

[sharp wyvern]

we have that in legacy of rust

[livid light]

ah wait really? im only on e1m2 so i havent seen em yet

only those weird skull thingies that shoot projectiles

and the banshee too

[sharp wyvern]

ah sorry for spoilers :(

[livid light]

nah is ok, i still dont know how they look yet so

[livid light]

uuuh so somehow i got the only thing they fear is you (take no damage on a level and 100% on uv) but the thing is i took damage lol

guess i’ll just do a quick entryway run to make it feel legit nvm i gave up

[sharp wyvern]

bonk from legacy of rust has to be one of the best songs in all of classic doom

[sharp wyvern]

do E2M8 of Doom I think it's the easiest for that achievement

[livid light]

thanks, i’ll try to do it tomorrow

[sharp wyvern]

the main issue is the lost souls

once it's just you and the cybie it shouldn't be too hard

[livid light]

my dumbass will probably get blasted from my own rockets while trying to kill a lost soul lol

[storm tapir]

E1M8 is easier there is no danger at all

[crystal hill]

other than the turbo spectres

dis might be the easiest level because you get double ammo

[storm tapir]

what turbo spectres on UV

[crystal hill]

oh, my bad, thought we were talking about nightmare

[storm tapir]

Or map01 of doom 2 or TNT

[lost ocean]

E1m8?

[wise gulch]

How easy it to mod the Steam version of Doom 1+2

[woven swallow]

create a bethesda account, then you can start downloading mods from the mod page

and then once your mod is downloaded, just hit play, select your mod and then start 👍

[wise gulch]

What about making a mod?

[crystal hill]

gonna need to do it outside of steam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EucWtn__O8Q&list=PLqb_Fh-bug3Q9xa-phLOL66sk-xG1t_kx

[wise gulch]

Oh ok thanks

[livid light]

making mods for kex is a bit more limited than say gzdoom for example, it has support for mbf21 and dehacked but not udmf, also it has a ton of json files you need to use to configure iwads and other stuff

oh and by kex i mean the steam release btw

[wise gulch]

Oh ok

Gimme all the tips you got. I’m planning on making a texture mod for myself and a friend. Mainly swapping out Doomguy with a different character. I can make sprites I just need to know how to import them and stuff

[halcyon willow]

Tips are:

• Do stuff
• Try figure the stuff out yourself
• Do more stuff
• Have a plan/goal in mind

[uneven tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/ohh-i-under-black-guy-gif-1247944034220562367

[livid light]

slade’s the best editor for all wad related shiz so i recommend looking up a tutorial on how to make custom sprites wad for doom with it

[wise gulch]

Thanks

[sonic terrace]

slade 3 is the goat

[storm tapir]

Look up an intro guide or google, most questions (at least intro levels) already have answers on doomworld or zdoom forums \ the various port wikis

[wise gulch]

Ok

[storm tapir]

To just replace sprites the lazy way you can just open doom2.wad with slade 3 to see a sprite name then add a sprite with the same name in your new file

[sonic terrace]

does anyone know how i can just slap a already existing photo into slade 3?

[storm tapir]

@sonic terrace right click the menu full of file names > import files

[livid light]

image preview doesnt work for jpegs tho afaik, pngs are better

[sonic terrace]

@storm tapir thanks!

it worked

yo @storm tapir check the screensshots channel

[storm tapir]

If you release it don't credit me for help 🤣

[sonic terrace]

tom pearl would be proud

i replaced the blood textures in rootpain.wad with that photo too

im gonna replace the baby next

[wise gulch]

I see

[bitter shoal]

anyone know why Coincident went back to grinding out Okuplok

[bitter shoal]

It is cool seeing that there are new strats tho

ah he wants a faster time

[crystal hill]

masochism

[median cloud]

Speed of Doom map 32 took me more tries than I'd like to admit

[crystal hill]

Well done on beating it. I didn't try very hard before ditching it, lol

[halcyon crest]

what is harder?
doom 1 or doom 2?
havent played any of them and i wanna to play the easier one first.

[median cloud]

Doom 2 is harder for sure

[woven swallow]

Doom1 is easier..excluding the 4th episode that is 😭

[sharp wyvern]

is tfc or nrftl harder

[fallen kayak]

Going through No Rest for the Living currently, and I say that Thy Flesh Consumed is still harder; that episode's first level alone is stingy with its health pickups.

[median cloud]

I have nrftl as harder

The secret map and vivisection

[crystal hill]

nrftl

TFC has some tough maps, but they are the exceptions. It's pretty easy otherwise

[storm tapir]

Are we ignoring Plutonia

[median cloud]

I think he doesnt mean of all officials

[sonic terrace]

plutonia incrased my skill level drastically

i dont know how

but it did

[crystal hill]

yes, because it wasn't part of the question

[crystal hill]

its hard

[sonic terrace]

im glad i didnt skip plutonia when i was playing doom + doom 2

[crystal hill]

also teaches you to do things the original doom 2 never did

[sonic terrace]

yeah

plutonia also thought me greed

after the level "hunted" i never used rockets agaisnt arch viles

even when i had a full stack of rockets

[crystal hill]

thats not a good mentality

rockets are great against them, especially since they stand still for so long

just make sure they're a decent distance away

[sonic terrace]

after finding out 4 super shotgun shots kill a arch vile greed took over me

[sonic terrace]

i used to get close to them with the super shotgun like a mad man just to not waste my rockets

[crystal hill]

4 rockets do as well, and quicker

[sonic terrace]

i know

but now im not as greedy

i know when to use my bigger weapons

old habits die hard

Especially the for the arch vile

i use the incinerator for him now

hey guys, i know this isnt doom related but i wanna know. İs there a source port for duke nukem 3d? you know how doom has uzdoom? well i need the uzdoom of duke nukem 3d

[storm tapir]

Probably Eduke32 but been a while

Or maybe Raze

[livid light]

eduke32 and buildgdx are the best imo, eduke32 for duke nukem (and nam i guess), buildgdx for the rest (blood, redneck rampage)
raze is good for just playing the games but iirc it has no mod support for some reason nvm i think you can, but i’d say eduke is still superior

[bitter shoal]

there are a lot of maps where you... well, you should BFG, plasma, or rocket the archviles.

[sonic terrace]

i cant find the last chapter in eduke32 tho

"alien world order"

[sonic terrace]

i used the rocket launcher when i absolutely needed to but other than that i just chargede him with the shotgun

[woven swallow]

Raze

Raze Is a good port 👍

[sonic terrace]

when i try to launch raze windows gives me a warning, what up with that?

[woven swallow]

Every sourceport is like that, just run the exe

[sonic terrace]

ok

HOLY SHİT!

THİS İS NO DİFFERENT THAN GZDOOM

RAZE İS AWESOME!

[woven swallow]

Raze is indeed the "Zdoom port equivalent for build engine" if that makes any sense

[sonic terrace]

it did say zdoom is in it

but i was expecting zdoom

not gzdoom

[woven swallow]

Please do ask for more port recommendations from me in the future if you ever need any for other games or something, I have a lot to share

[sonic terrace]

i will

i have one more question actually

where do people play those brutal wolfenstein 3d mods?

like, what source port is that

[woven swallow]

That's actually just doom2 mod through gzdoom 👍

[sonic terrace]

really?

it looked like a wolfenstein 3d source port

[bitter shoal]

honestly makes sense to just use GZDOOM if you are going to make such a radical transformation to Wolf3D

[sonic terrace]

yeah

i never believed that wolf 3d could handle that

but still

it looked too much like wolfenstein 3d

[livid light]

ah sorry but i dont own world tour so i can’t really help you with that

[woven swallow]

Raze definitely supports that episode righttttt? If I recall

[sonic terrace]

it does

[woven swallow]

Nice 👍

[median cloud]

Its kinda crazy how much modding Doom supports while wolf3d was so limited

[karmic cliff]

Is there a Hotline Miami mod for classic Doom?
Sorta like how we have the Simpsons, Alien, and Batman mods.

[sonic terrace]

wolf 3d is a really old game tho

doom is too, but its more advanced

[crystal hill]

wolf 3d is far more primitive (and much lesser in quality)

by the time it's source code was released, doom had been out for over a year

[muted fog]

Would classic doom count for the doom within doom 3?

[crystal hill]

What do you mean?

[brittle rover]

Doom II is the best

[sharp wyvern]

I assume they mean playing Doom, TFC, Doom II and NRFTL in Doom 3 BFG?

[coarse igloo]

https://youtu.be/Hc53PKQonVQ

Another person who ruined his game with accessibility settings enabled so that no color palette effects are shown, massive black background around every font etc 🙁

Is it default enabled or why almost everyone messes this up 🙁

[sharp wyvern]

it's default

[livid light]

i remember it asked you if you want to disable on first startup, but i dont really understand what the problem is with that

[coarse igloo]

its default enabled? Why would you do that? 🙁

it ruined so many people's first game experience 🙁

without palette effects, how are you even supposed to know when your radiation suit is gone??

this really should be NOT default on 🙁

[livid light]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1470810928474751051/1501740634073993380/image0.jpg?ex=69fd2c74&is=69fbdaf4&hm=51965a58de95a4b478dc4465f9da2f949992986163ec32d3466e5f02f520343b& it asks you to disable settings entirely or review them before playing, so she most likely chose to keep them on

[coarse igloo]

people dont understand this it seems

because all of them didnt had them enabled because they need them, they were just clueless

this just should be not default enabled

who thought its a good idea this is default on 🙁

increased readability of menus etc is probably also not for everyone understandable as: "ahhh yes this is for Persons with disabilities obviously!"

[livid light]

i still don’t really understand what the problem is, most people will read the text and choose to disable or enable them if they want
if they get lost its their fault for not reading, but i’ve almost never seen that happen

[coarse igloo]

most of the youtubers playing doom for the first time have this things on 🙁

and everyone I told about this had no clue its for people with disabilities and that they played it wrong. they just didnt know

the text you screenshotted makes it not very clear either

increased readability of menus doesnt sound like: its for people with disabilities

[livid light]

some people just like bigger menus, you dont have to be disabled to use them 😭

it literally asks you to review them before you play

[coarse igloo]

it wasnt like that for everyone I cleared up about this. everyone just didnt know

yes maybe theyre too lazy or whatever, but its anyway bad that they see the game default in wrong

the massive black background font is so damn ugly and the missing palette effects is very uncool 🙁

[livid light]

wdym? i’ve always seen that same screen

[coarse igloo]

wasnt talking about the message..

some people just like bigger menus

[livid light]

but again, if they didnt realize it said “please take a moment to review these settings” and they did it unintentionally then its their fault

she configured it off stream so maybe she did it on purpose

[coarse igloo]

but even if so - when it wouldnt be default enabled, no shit wouldve happened

none of the persons did it on purpose. I doubt she did

not having bad default settings would prevent it. yes its their own fault surely, but they werent even aware that it makes the game ugly

and they are never aware that this is for disabled people

[livid light]

you can’t make accessibility options without making them accessible, some people just need black backgrounds or different fonts to read well

[coarse igloo]

the box just says improvement for readability , this is not like a good hint: your game is watered down for disabled people 😄

[coarse igloo]

the box text needs improvement, and the default should be off

[livid light]

it takes you to a menu that explains all the options, idk how somebody couldnt see that https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1470810928474751051/1501744772178645113/IMG_4381.jpg?ex=69fd304e&is=69fbdece&hm=11a7fd0cf7f49da9d46984d67126e6ed9f396f3c48894f3daf35a47de67b00df&

[fallen kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PycczxHbaRU

[crystal hill]

Well, I guess it counts, but its a weird way to do so

Source ports are right there and all

[lusty arrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLr7iC2oW78

You shold watch that

I made it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG4Q5PMX1kw

[edgy quest]

@tiny summit I found you

[lusty arrow]

Really?

[rapid bolt]

do any of you know if the classic doom games are good for console? i know theyre on but but i would like a heads up before deciding if i get it or not

[woven swallow]

Yes they are good

[rapid bolt]

for console?

[woven swallow]

....if you are referring to doom+doom2 that is, absolutely

[rapid bolt]

yea i saw that on the store

[woven swallow]

well then, It's a pretty good port, I recommend it 👍

[rapid bolt]

sweet

[woven swallow]

you get access to all classic doom games (Doom, DOOM2, Plutonia and Tnt), and all its expansions, and most custom mods for the games if you are into modding :)

[rapid bolt]

i dont believe i can mod on console😔

[woven swallow]

you can download off from doom+doom2

and just start playing them

[rapid bolt]

oh ok

[woven swallow]

you do need to create an account to access them also

[rapid bolt]

to play mods or doom in general

?

[woven swallow]

mods

[rapid bolt]

oh well, not too bad i suppose

[crystal hill]

Almost done with the 2019 cacowards

Just two doom 1 episodes to go

[sharp wyvern]

Yayy

[woven swallow]

nice 👍

[crystal hill]

can't wait for the 2020s to take me two years

[woven swallow]

I think Fractured worlds won in 2020? have fun playing that

I just checked, nvm
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167762378197311528/1501956773710528573/Screenshot_2026-05-07_210955.png?ex=69fdf5bf&is=69fca43f&hm=551710020c8214f7ba81737b4e33a1c4fe58d8be8551864cf4fc416526222fb2

[crystal hill]

spared for another year

[dire canyon]

It’s f ing awesome man, get it immediately. You get hundreds of hours worth of classic Doom, and a revamped soundtrack

[rapid bolt]

when i was looking on the store, i saw this thing called BOOM and apparently it has something to do with mods for doom 1 and 2. is this correct/legit?

[dire canyon]

Just get Doom 1+2

[rapid bolt]

i will soon

[dire canyon]

Big fan of his ‘Evening With Nirvana’ podcast too. Is he still podcasting? Think he started one about game design in general…

[dire canyon]

… Ah yeah it was called ‘When Does It Get Fun?’, don’t think he’s still releasing episodes though

[median cloud]

Managed to beat Speed of Doom map 23 as well

Poison Ivy II

[crystal hill]

well done

its managable if you know the route for it

[median cloud]

I went for an early bfg with sr50

[crystal hill]

oh, that's even better

I couldn't be bothered trying it over and over again lol

[median cloud]

I think its easier than sod32 tho

[crystal hill]

easily

[ionic bramble]

i wish i knew of more classic FPS games like descent that had just as much of an emphasis on exploring and mapping out levels and finding secrets as they did on the combat
6DOF optional but appreciated

oh, and weapons being able to improve by finding secrets as well

[halcyon willow]

Good news, you're about to be exposed to particular flavour of bullshit lol

[fathom needle]

is the bfg overkill

[woven swallow]

very much

[halcyon willow]

Depends what you're fighting

[fallen kayak]

If the RNG shines on you, yes, even the strongest demons will fall to it.

[pulsar topaz]

hey guys, anyone got any recommendations for custom doom wads to play along with the brutal doom mod? i forgot i was able to play it until some random thought came back to me

[woven swallow]

Eviternity 2 is good 👍

[woven swallow]

Going down, Magnolia, Antaresian Reliquary, Ancient Aliens, Valiant, Fractured worlds, Preacher, Hardfest, Sunlust, Neon Overdrive, Auger Zenith, Doom2 in city only, We have doom at home, Blues Brothers 2025 and Lost Civilization are all amazing

[pulsar topaz]

ooo interwsting, i'll look into em later thank you :D

[woven swallow]

oh, along with brutal doom? I never really tested that mod with these (I don't think most of what i share are even gonna work together without some bugs), uhh, it should be fine, go crazy on it

[pulsar topaz]

hell yeah, will tear shit apart with em

[woven swallow]

Note: Fractured worlds, Sunlust, Blues Brothers 2025 and Hardfest are incredibly hard, so be sure to lower the difficult 👍

[pulsar topaz]

i casually play at hurt

or ultra vio

[halcyon willow]

Eviternity 2 is not compatible with brutal doom

[sharp wyvern]

THEY'RE PUTTING DOOM/DOOM 2 ON SPOTIFY?!

[livid light]

damn, they finally did it… i hope is the sc-55 midis tho, cause the midi synth instruments on the kex port were… questionable at best

[median cloud]

Really???? RFinally man

Ive been using the remix for so long now

[sharp wyvern]

we just need TNT, Sigil 1 and 2’s MIDIs, 3, Eternal and TAG now

[crystal hill]

nearly done with Sigil now

still by far the best Doom 1 wad I've ever played, glad to see I'm not just nostalgia blind

[median cloud]

The song versions on spotify are long

[crystal hill]

that being said, I need to shout out Deimos: The Damned Moon

nowhere near as good as Sigil, but for a wad not on the wiki or that didn't technically win a cacoward or a mention, it's still the 2nd or 3rd best Doom 1 wad I've ever played

its got atmospheric levels with pretty spritely combat by D1 standards

[median cloud]

I hope Bobby will also add his duke 3d music

[silent pumice]

Listening to original DOOM music, the Bobby Prince tracks, always gives such a nostalgia trip.

[dire canyon]

Yeah, although it’s crazy how much he took from Pantera! I listen for a bit but then tend to put on some higher-fidelity metal. Love the Hushult remakes for Doom I+II

[dire canyon]

The sound design though, those weapon sounds 😙 🤌 Super Shotgun in Doom 2 will never be topped for me, I feel

Re: the classics, The Trent Reznor music and sound for Quake absolutely holds up