classic-doom

[crystal hill]

Atmospherically, another win for Plut 2

And the level is also iconic

[robust pumice]

I play however I want…

[crystal hill]

That's great

[hollow tree]

My shower is like Doom II map28. There are two spider masterminds in there!

[crystal hill]

If you have the red key, the switch to raise the bridge to the exit is in there

[robust pumice]

Now e2m4… how do I progress upward…

[robust pumice]

I figured that out

[wintry copper]

have you tried BFG'ing them?

[median cloud]

Very atmospheric yeah, also toughest map up until now

[sonic terrace]

@robust pumice i can help you with doom

i have nothing better to do

[stoic raven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4QJtnlGjvk

[fathom needle]

is the normal or super shotgun better at crowd control

[crystal hill]

the super shotgun

it shoots two shells faster than the regular shotgun shoots two

and it has more pellets per shot than two shotgun shots

[median cloud]

@crystal hill hows Eviternity

[crystal hill]

struggling to motivate myself to keep going, after 3 maps

its not bad at all, just ok

[median cloud]

Oof thats too bad

[crystal hill]

I'll keep playing it eventually

[median cloud]

The first episode is a bit weak tbh

I like map5

I prob prefer the 3rd ep the most or the last one

[fathom needle]

well it does shoot 2 instantly since it's a double barrel

[crystal hill]

exactly

[crystal hill]

I'm gonna be honest, I prefer Doom Zero to this

[median cloud]

Rough

Well tbf ur only 3 maps in

[crystal hill]

yeah, it could get better

and it seems to be. Map 4 is my favourite so far

The first half is slow, but it picks up later with the multiple paths you need to take and the extra weapons you get

[median cloud]

Tbf I remember not liking the first few maps much either

05 and 10 are highlights I remember

[crystal hill]

oh yeah, I can see why you like 5

finally, some really good action

the eviternity demon makes quite an entrance

[steel field]

legacy of rust was so lame

[crystal hill]

@median cloud have you played it?

[median cloud]

Legacy of rust? Yeah

Not a huge fan either, its fine but I probably wont replay it

[median cloud]

Eviternity has good custom monsters

[regal bison]

If only hyper demension travelling mind of our generation john carmack ported the entire universe instead of nightdive whipping up legacy of rust... terrible game!!!1

[steel field]

what

[regal bison]

No clue man

Sleep deprived as hell in spitting out bollocks

[steel field]

oh type shi

[twin mortar]

She's not too wrong though!

LoR feels miserable to play at times to me

[steel field]

they removed the plasma rifle

thats more then enough for me to hate

[regal bison]

Loud ass fucking blue thing.

The precious.

[twin mortar]

It is precious

[regal bison]

I remember I had a pair of speakers connected to my computer instead of my headphones and turned that shit up while holding down a plasma rifle

Absolute eat death

Ear*

[sharp wyvern]

Literally the best official classic doom wad but mkay

[mighty walrus]

LoR is amazing

[twin mortar]

As somebody who's only played vanilla it was such a breathtaking experience to see all these engine enhancements and crazy things done with a 30+ year old engine

But I've never been able to replay it because whenever I tried I'd get discouraged hard

[crystal hill]

As someone who plays almost anything except vanilla, I can't wait to play it properly in a year's time

[sonic terrace]

my brother, just another me

[sharp wyvern]

E1M6 is the wall really

[sonic terrace]

legacy of rust is literally the best offical expansion

[twin mortar]

Not with Thy Flesh Consumed around

[crystal hill]

You think thats the best one?

[twin mortar]

Yes

[crystal hill]

how come?

[sonic terrace]

not that good tbh

not the worst but not that good

[twin mortar]

Because I just like it the most idk I'm not a game critic

[crystal hill]

I like hearing why people like things

saying "I like it" with no elaboration doesn't tell me much

[twin mortar]

That's awesome man

But I can't give you any comprehensive objective reasons into why because I don't put that much thought into this kind of thing

[crystal hill]

alright

[twin mortar]

I think back on it, if I liked it the most, I judge it as my favorite, without going mentally in-depth into why I liked it the most

[crystal hill]

cool

[sonic terrace]

i love legacy of rust so much that i have a mod that spawns the weapons of it

its so good

i have a monster randomizer too

[crystal hill]

I'm not opposed to wads that tweak the weapons, but I think I prefer the vanilla ones

[sonic terrace]

it has the vanilla weapons too

[crystal hill]

maybe its muscle memory in how and when they are used, and I dont like that changing

[sonic terrace]

the vanilla and LoR weapons

both variants are useful

i use the incinerator to kill archviles

[crystal hill]

well, didnt someone just say the plasma rifle isnt in LoR?

[sonic terrace]

its not

it gets replaced with the incinerator

are you there?

[crystal hill]

yeah, I was just doing something

[sharp wyvern]

I’d probably rank them (counting final doom for fun)
Maximum < Master Levels < TNT < Sigil II < Thy Flesh Consumed < Plutonia < No Rest For The Living < Sigil < Legacy of Rust

[sonic terrace]

maximum?

[crystal hill]

a massive collection of 1994-95 wads

most of them terrible

[sonic terrace]

never played it, never will

[crystal hill]

don't

[sonic terrace]

out of context but does anyone have a FUNCTİONAL copy of rootpain.wad?

my ego says that i can kill that baby (in rootpain.wad)

and i will do it (in rootpain.wad)

i just dont believe that its not that strong

[crystal hill]

oh man, this looks terrible out of context

[sonic terrace]

yeah i just realized

so?

anyone have it?

[crystal hill]

I don't

[sonic terrace]

i downloaded one from wad archives.com but it doesnt work

the boss doesnt even spawn

[crystal hill]

could be you played it in the wrong version of gzdoom

[sonic terrace]

i use uzdoom

i tried it in gzdoom too

but it didnt work

[crystal hill]

rootpain is quite an old wad. possible that it needs a much older version to play

[sonic terrace]

how old*

?

[crystal hill]

apparently 13 years old

[sonic terrace]

Damn!

no thanks

im not gonna try to find an old version just for that bullcrap of a wad

i will stick to playing golden souls 2

[crystal hill]

thats a much better idea

[sonic terrace]

yeah

playing it right now

[crystal hill]

if that counts as a doom wad and not its own thing, its my favourite one of all time

I grew up with platformers, so this is like a fusion of my past and my present tastes

[sonic terrace]

me too

i loved sonic the hedgehog so much as a kid

i beat the classic games multiple times

[crystal hill]

I was more of a mario kid

I like Sonic 2, and I've been meaning to play 3 and Knuckles sometime

oh yeah, have you tried Sonic Robo Blast 2? Maybe my favourite Sonic game, fan or not

[sonic terrace]

i moved onto mario afterwards after i learned about emulators

[sonic terrace]

i tried it a long time ago but my phone was too laggy and i never played from that moment on

[crystal hill]

oh? you don't have a pc or a laptop?

[sonic terrace]

i have it now

but back then i didnt have one

i never got used to the controls too

so i just ditched it

[crystal hill]

its well worth it, trust me

[sonic terrace]

maybe i will try it some time

[crystal hill]

took me a good while to get used to the weird controls, but it paid off handsomely

[sonic terrace]

my pc is more than enough to handle it now

doesnt robo blast 2 use the same engine as doom?

[crystal hill]

yeah. A very modified version of the doom legacy engine

@median cloud MtPain said Episode 2 was his favourite in Eviternity

I can see where he's coming from, these first two levels are pretty cool. Interesting how Dragonfly ditched the standard map 7 idea and just let you slaughter zombiemen instead

[sonic terrace]

im stuck at the final boss of eviternity

why are there hordes of demons charging at me while im fighting an already difficult boss

[sonic terrace]

that explains the difficult controls

the characters are slipping like they have butter on their feet

[crystal hill]

I think they can change that now, but they decided to stick with it

not great for new comers, but good for veterans who know how best to control it

[crystal hill]

thats a staple of dragonfly's bosses

he did this kinda stuff in skulldash. Another great wad

[sonic terrace]

never heard of it

[crystal hill]

it doesnt have a very high profile in the community

but its one of the best wads I've ever played

[sonic terrace]

does it also have custom demons?

[crystal hill]

some new ones, yeah

[sonic terrace]

i better not see the nightmare pinky there

i only started eviternity because people said it was good

and they're god damn right

[crystal hill]

I dont remember nightmare pinkies in skulldash

[sonic terrace]

good

i just got the energy blaster in golden souls 2, its so good

the concpet of the weapon is so clever

[crystal hill]

is it the thing with infinite ammo?

[sonic terrace]

yeah

[crystal hill]

its neat, but you get a lot of better stuff soon

[sonic terrace]

when you take damage you get ammo

i love it

i used cheats to see what weapons i will get, but i didnt test it on any enemies so i dont know their true power

ah wait

you dont need to take damage for ammo

it just refuels itself

[crystal hill]

yeah

[sonic terrace]

this is so cool!

its like the hive hand from half life

[crystal hill]

in a way

the hive hand is more powerful, and it homes in on things

[sonic terrace]

yeah

[median cloud]

I don really like the aesthetic of the second episode tbf

I rated it somewhat low

[sonic terrace]

what does tbf mean?

[sonic terrace]

yeah, hallowed is better

[median cloud]

Nvm I rated it average

[median cloud]

To be fair

[sonic terrace]

thanks

@crystal hill the energy blaster İS a bit underwelming, but it has infinite ammo

they had to nerf it so it wont be op

like the hive hand from half life

otherwise, you would use nothing but the energy blaster

[crystal hill]

the first episode looks better, sure, but the second plays a lot better

[crystal hill]

its no use having a weapon with infinite ammo if its got low damage so you never use it

I can honestly say I never used that thing after picking it up. I never have ammo issues in Golden Souls 2

[sonic terrace]

me too

but i like it

it can barely kill anything but still

[median cloud]

I dont like 08, the rest plays ok, 10 is great

[crystal hill]

map 8 is fine, but it is a damn waste of Gutter Penny

Fomalhaut deserved it, but this map didn't

[median cloud]

Which map u at now?

[crystal hill]

Map 9

[median cloud]

I liked 09 but mtpain didnt iirc

[crystal hill]

I'll continue this tomorrow, because I need to sleep and I don't want to start Hurt right now, which is an hour long map

(not part of Eviternity, another Cacoward wad)

all things considered, I'm on a good pace with the 2019 cacowards

[median cloud]

Do Eviternity first maybe?

Or for burn out u mix them

[crystal hill]

other than eviternity and lost civilisation, I only really have shorter wads to beat

[crystal hill]

I do mix them, I have a little order for my wads

First the vanilla/boom wad, then the gzdoom one, then the barely resembles doom one

So right now I'm playing Eviternity, Hurt and Sonic Robo Blast 2

its very autistic of me, but I like it, and it works

[twin sleet]

why is thy flesh consumed so ass

[median cloud]

Thats fair

[sharp wyvern]

the main issue is that it's difficulty curve sucks

[crystal hill]

kinda, yeah

[sharp wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642730879852085281/1497716160718835933/image.png?ex=69ee885e&is=69ed36de&hm=6da68311ef1d1c08c1f377a1bb7bb8d55181e8a044ab4286ed66c78445e252dd&

[crystal hill]

Maps 1, 2 and 6 are leagues above everything else, and then -

[sharp wyvern]

thy flesh consumed difficulty experience

[crystal hill]

yeah, that graph shows it well

[sharp wyvern]

also reusing the spiderdemon is just so lazy tbh especially when it had the capabilities of doom 2 stuff being implemented

i personally would have made the final boss of TFC an archvile to both make it more unique but also to entice people to get doom 2

but like a special arena for the archie obviously so you don't just 2 shot it

[twin sleet]

dead huzz

[sharp wyvern]

i mean dgmw i get not having new enemies for expansion packs but when you HAVE the ability to add new ones its a bit eh

and also dgmw i get the philosophy of not bringing 2 stuff back to 1 but like i mean it would be like one singular enemy

[sonic terrace]

doesnt thy flesh consumed have a nirvana reference in it?

or was it another band? i forgot

[sharp wyvern]

nah it has a nine inch nails reference

in E4M1

[sonic terrace]

ahh ok

[storm tapir]

last time I played I only died on e4m7 because I always forget the crusher room, hardest map confirmed (Totally not because it is so easy it is harder to fully focus during it)

[steel field]

no its Final doom wadsss

[sharp wyvern]

Definitely not

[steel field]

wdym

Plutonia experiment!

[sharp wyvern]

Plutonia is better than Doom 2 but not better than some of the others

Though it’s in my top 5

[steel field]

😪

[regal bison]

Plutonia is awesome.

[crystal hill]

Plutonia is my favourite, but it gets saddled with TNT

[sharp wyvern]

my rankings:

1. Legacy of Rust (beautiful levels, feels like all eras of doom rolled into one, new enemies and weapons are fun)
2. Sigil (looks great, fun gimmick, better than E1-4)
3. No Rest For The Living (it's like doom 2 if it was good)
4. Doom (the original)
5. Plutonia (really hard but great levels, uses doom 2 enemies better than 2)
6. Doom 2 (cool additions but worse levels)
7. Sigil 2 (didnt iterate enough on sigil 1)
8. Thy Flesh Consumed (fucked up difficulty spike)
9. TNT (its just fuckin boring for most of it)
10. Master Levels (mixed quality)
11. Maximum Doom (need i say more)

[crystal hill]

Since you were so kind as to make a ranking, I suppose I can do the same -

1. Plutonia (harder, better designed levels that use the weapons and bestiary very well)

2. Sigil (the best Doom 1 wad I have ever played, very pretty and with super speedy combat)

3. No Rest for the Living (its like Doom 2 but polished to a sheen, very professionally made)

4. Doom 2 (maybe worse levels than Doom 1, but far more interesting ones. Also the SSG and lots of iconic enemies)

5. Doom 1 (gets boring after a while, but short levels and some variety near the end make it go up in the ranks)

6. TNT Evilution (also gets boring at points, but the levels are longer and more tedious overall)

7. Master Levels (some meh levels mixed in with utter crap)

8. Maximum Doom (lol)

I havent played Sigil II or LoR properly so cant really rank them, and I dont consider TFC to be a seperate thing to Doom 1

[sharp wyvern]

i dont really consider tfc as a separate thing either but someone used it as a separate expansion earlier so i was like "oh sure"

[crystal hill]

Fair enough

[sharp wyvern]

truth nuke with plutonia sigil and nrftl

[crystal hill]

I dont know if I would want to rank it anyway, I dont have too strong a memory of it. Probably would put it between Doom 1 and TNT if I had to

The difficulty curve is off balance as hell, but it has some of the toughest classic Doom levels outside of Plutonia, so credit where its due

[sharp wyvern]

it says something about the state of doom expansions when if you think about it the bosses of Doom 1 are

Bruiser Brothers, Cyberdemon, Spiderdemon, Spiderdemon, Spiderdemon, Spiderdemon

[crystal hill]

The enemy variety is DIRE

And its only made worse by people insisting on using exactly 4 enemies in Episode 1 of their 36 map megawads and causing me to fall asleep

Sigil is special because it bucks that trend and goes out of the gate swinging

[sharp wyvern]

E4 should’ve been an Archvile and E6 should’ve been a unique boss

I don’t mind E5’s boss rush

[sharp wyvern]

there is just no need for a doom 1 mega wad

[crystal hill]

E4 having an arch vile might blur the line between 1 and 2

But since that might reduce the number of bloody doom 1 wads I'm all for it

[sharp wyvern]

I knowww I know and I get that but I meannn TFC had the capabilities of adding D2 stuff

[crystal hill]

Amen to that

[sharp wyvern]

So like why not throw something in as a teaser for it anyway to encourage people to buy it

[crystal hill]

I may have beaten one of those in my cacoward journey. Otherwise its just episode replacements

[sharp wyvern]

Also Archvile would be the least intrusive because there’s at least the marbface2

[crystal hill]

The only two Doom 1 wads I really like are both 9 levels long

[sharp wyvern]

Idm D1 extra episodes but like a full megawad..?

[crystal hill]

Idm?

Stuff like No End in Sight. 36 maps of Doom 1 mazes

I quit after map 2. Seeing 34 maps ahead of you is demoralising

[crystal hill]

Perhaps, but the archie is completely unique in how he functions

A projectile spitter like a mancubus or even pain elementals would be less of a shock to doom 1 players

[sharp wyvern]

Yeah but I mean it’s a boss

[crystal hill]

Mini boss at best

Unless you use more than one

[regal bison]

WHY IS THY FLESH CONSUMED SO LOW MAN 😭

my ranking:

1 - Thy Flesh Consumed (Yeah, THATS RIGHT!)
2 - Plutonia
3 - Doom
4 - Doom II & Sigil (I can't decide)
5 - Sigil 2
6 - Master Levels
7 - TNT
8 - Maximum Doom doesn't even deserve a spot.

[sharp wyvern]

TFC has a really bad difficulty curve and also some levels just aren't that great

i respect your rankings tho

[crystal hill]

TFC has some of my favourite Doom 1 levels, but also some stinkers

[regal bison]

I think TFCs difficulty issues comes from the fact these were obviously tested from pistol starts.

by the end of Perfect Hatred (My favourite level), you have every weapon. Except I think the chaingun?

[crystal hill]

even from pistol start, after map 2 the rest are pathetic

except map 6

[regal bison]

map 6 just so happens to be my second favourite map in TFC.

then agian I could just be glazing john romero

[crystal hill]

I actually dont like it much

Too many damaging floors and a cyberdemon that can screw you over with no recourse

[regal bison]

yikes

I personally like all that stuff, then again, I like a challenge

[crystal hill]

I like a challenge also

But this just feels annoying more than challenging

@median cloud so, I met the astral cacodemon

fuck

[median cloud]

Hahaha I deliberately didnt spoil you

[crystal hill]

I was vaguely aware they existed, but wow

the cacoliches have nothing on these guys

[median cloud]

Yeah they’re harsh need to play around them well

Kinda got that evil marine aura

[crystal hill]

another scythe 2 parallel

the writers got really good at foreshadowing

I will say, I am finally getting into this one

eviternity seems to have a habit of introducing new monsters in every "boss" map, which is cool

the cyber baron however is not cool. That bloody chaingun

[storm tapir]

The chaingunning will continue until morale improves

[karmic estuary]

Hello again slayers, what do you all think of Legacy of Rust?

[sharp wyvern]

the best classic doom wad

[karmic estuary]

[median cloud]

Theres a very mean situation later on with this particular monster

[crystal hill]

oh dear

[sonic terrace]

best doom wad

i put it above eviternity

it just has a special place in my heart

let ME ask a question for once, what are yall's top 3 non offical doom wads?

[karmic estuary]

Not sure, I've only ever finished WADs that could be argued as being official

[sonic terrace]

what do you mean "argued as offical"?

[crystal hill]

Not counting ZDoom, Going Down, Auger Zenith, Plutonia 2

[sonic terrace]

i've never played going down, how is it?

it looks like a old wad

[crystal hill]

13 years or so

still incredible

[sonic terrace]

it has to be legendary to be remembered even after 13 years

[crystal hill]

well, even lesser wads can be remembered after more than 30

[median cloud]

Im somewhat surprised with how much people like LoR

Compared to classic mappacks it's definitely an improvement but it has like 2 decades of mapping behind it

I think I even prefer NRFTL to LOR

[median cloud]

Going Down is peak fun

[sonic terrace]

im gonna try it out after finishing golden souls 2

[sharp wyvern]

Going Down and Doom Zero and myhouse

yes these are the 3 most basic picks known to man yes i still stand by it

[sonic terrace]

i cant get all the end

endings for my house.wad

its so hard and enigmatic

[sonic terrace]

they are most basic picks for a reason

[twin mortar]

The greatest choice is clearly Nuts.wad, Nuts2.wad, and Nuts3.wad

[sonic terrace]

at this point the wad isnt even scary anymore its just annoying

[bitter shoal]

tbh the vibe fell off for me with the ||Shrek jump scare||

[sonic terrace]

i shat my pants when i first saw it but after i realized it was shrek it wasnt so scary anymore

[bitter shoal]

yeah if it was literally anything else it would have been really cool

[sonic terrace]

but we were in a day care

what else could they have put

[woven swallow]

I just found the most weird speed map, map-set ever to exist

IWAD: DOOM2.wad
PWAD: ICGYA.wad
Download link: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=20860
Complevel; 21
Sourceport: Dsda-doom
Author: Maribo et al.
Difficulty: no comment
Comments (Spoiler): ||I CANT GIVE YOU ANY THING is a 29-level megawad for Doom II designed for MBF21-compatible source ports, created by Maribo with guest maps by dashiefrickintyan, Nefelibeta, El Inferno, Phoenyx, Spendoragon, Petyan, Meowgi, and em essex (msx2plus). It was first released on August 1, 2023, and the final version was uploaded to the idgames archive on September 3, 2023......I can't even desrcibe the maps, you just gotta play it yourself to see fully ||
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1452632530061627434/1497971364580294936/Screenshot_Doom_20260426_211034.png?ex=69ef760c&is=69ee248c&hm=3787ac2a4ecf1c281f0da1189ef92e261a51ad88e2eb7b0dd95932ffbb749442&

[sharp cosmos]

isnt this just a slaughter map

[woven swallow]

Yes but like the maps are so weirdly designed, It feels like it's out of the world or something 😭

[sharp cosmos]

you play as a demon girl with purple hair

ten outta ten!

[crystal hill]

is it hard?

[woven swallow]

Troll difficulty

in other words, most of the maps are literally impossible to beat

[sharp cosmos]

what if i do

[woven swallow]

....unless Ancalagon somehow beats them all....somehow

[sharp cosmos]

it doesn't look that insane

[crystal hill]

oh, fun

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342710563700080650/1497971276332142692/Screenshot_Doom_20260426_211002.png?ex=69ef75f7&is=69ee2477&hm=7dc09fca59ea05e69358f38eb9ee2dd2592e7d71eb6ac97d71a7eb727dc0b198&

[crystal hill]

https://klipy.com/gifs/kanye-west-stare-6--k01KQ54PJBHQHCCHKAYC2W1GVPW

[sharp cosmos]

infighting would be so fun to watch

easy work

[crystal hill]

those archies will kill you before you can see much of it

[woven swallow]

I wish you the best of luck possible 🙏

I believe in you!

[crystal hill]

well, its an honourable mention in the 2023 cacowards, so I guess I'll be playing it

[sharp cosmos]

bet lemme beat this

[woven swallow]

idclev to map11

[woven swallow]

Mr. RulesMcGee, for your own health and sanity, don't play it 💀

[crystal hill]

I'm afraid I have to

but I am more than willing to skip maps if they are BS, so I'll be fine

[sharp cosmos]

just play on HMP

[crystal hill]

something tells me that aint gonna be enough

meanwhile, I'm playing a partial/total conversion called Paradise, which lives up to its name

Tango isn't a name I've heard much in the community as a great mapper, and thats a shame

Mayan Mishap and now this are both great stuff

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1497064139732815934/1497977991244808353/Screenshot_2026-04-26_213934.png?ex=69ef7c38&is=69ee2ab8&hm=d704a6d254d488abc5971d2c7c33771bc2c438834e9363267c7a732200a55a66 no other difficulties, just ultra violence

[crystal hill]

lmao

[woven swallow]

So we got Tarachillax, Chillax and now ICGYA. what other impossible map-sets there are ?

[crystal hill]

Sunlust

at least to me

[sharp cosmos]

this feels like an LSD trip but the girl is cute

[woven swallow]

Coughing baby vs Yog Sothoth

[crystal hill]

Eternal Slumber Party is utter nuts

[woven swallow]

damn i completely forgot about that wad, i downloaded it last year 💀

well...thanks for reminding me Mr.RulesMcGee

[crystal hill]

you won't be thankful after playing it

[scarlet shuttle]

eyoo guyss pls help me with this problem

I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but I'm trying to create a story co-op server using the GREZZO2 mod (port q-zandronum) with Doomseeker.
I can do it, the only problem is that I don't take damage, and even changing the damage multiplier doesn't change the situation. Does anyone have any ideas? I've attached some images (cheats are disabled, including God mode).

[woven swallow]

played a lot of junkfood 4, how bad can it possibly be.....

[crystal hill]

hehehe...

very

[twin sleet]

is N.U.T.S. a good .wad?

[woven swallow]

No

[crystal hill]

define good

[twin sleet]

fun

[woven swallow]

Eviernity 2

[woven swallow]

Are you looking for wad suggestions?

[twin sleet]

mayhaps

[crystal hill]

nuts is amusing for a few minutes

[woven swallow]

Are you on Pc or console?

[twin sleet]

pc

[woven swallow]

check your dms

[median cloud]

@crystal hill black ice is tough

[crystal hill]

Its my favourite map in Plut 2, maybe ever

if you need some cheese to help out - you can snipe the two ending cyberdemons with plasma

[median cloud]

haha I think I will bfg rush them

[crystal hill]

You've got bigger balls than I

by the way - what do you think of map 11 of Eviternity?

[median cloud]

Havent replayed it yet

Im at map 11 but stopped around that part

I do remember liking the ice part a lot

[crystal hill]

its maybe my favourite map in the set

the track from it is going in my "all time favourite Doom music" list. It creates a very cozy atmosphere

(which I havent made but maybe I should)

but the ice physics, the nerfed chaingunner and more astral cacos drag it down slightly

[median cloud]

I do remember liking the ice episode a lot

[crystal hill]

its doing good so far

minus the astral cacos

[median cloud]

@crystal hill u know I think Plutopia is underrated

even though its easier

[crystal hill]

hmm

its kinda forgettable

[median cloud]

I think it looks cool

[crystal hill]

I think I remember a few setpieces, but I'm really not sure

[median cloud]

also funnily enough atm pl2 has the highest average difficulty

higher than HR, AV, Scythe 2 and Kama sutra

despite the former 3 having way harder levels

[crystal hill]

I'd still consider those three harder due to those high points

someone who is quite skilled could beat all of Plut 2, but maybe not beat some maps in HR or Scythe 2

[median cloud]

I already give X-, X and X+ an extra point in difficulty

The problem is just that these mappacks have really easy maps at the start

[crystal hill]

I know, but those hard maps really raise the skill ceiling

[median cloud]

Yeah but thats the issue of calculating an average haha

[crystal hill]

I fucking hate the annihilators

the astral cacodemons I can at least dodge

[median cloud]

Inifight demons

They infight eachother as well iirc

[crystal hill]

by the time I can infight them, I take 50 damage

[median cloud]

Cant remember them being that oppressive

[crystal hill]

Hitscanners are almost universally glass cannons in Doom for a reason

they are powerful, and so they need to be easy to neutralise to compensate

the spider mastermind is the exception, and is literally the final boss of Doom 1

[median cloud]

ull get used to them

[crystal hill]

maybe. Maybe not

I need to remember they arent immune to splash damage

lots of wads I have played before make the cyber bruisers replace the spider demon to get that immunity

oh ok

so an arch vile revived a cyber bruiser right next to me, I panicked, fell on an elevated platform, didnt realise there was a way to get out of there, tried to kill the cyber bruiser from down there, it rocketed me, I died

I am frustrated

[wispy portal]

alr now I finished both doom 1 and 2. I'll try to get all the steam achievements cuz I currently have 22/33

doom 2 was great

[sonic terrace]

play doom 2 master levels

yo guys check the "screenshots" channel

look at my post

[sharp cosmos]

i wanna know too

[sonic terrace]

we gotta wait for answers

[median cloud]

Only 2 maps left for pl2, 29 and 30

29 probably the hardest one I think?

[crystal hill]

It is

[sharp cosmos]

wait theres two plutonia games

[median cloud]

Pl2 is fanmade

[storm tapir]

No it isn't same devs, just a wad named that

[sharp cosmos]

oh ok

After Doom is probably one of coolest doom wads

[livid light]

technically 4 but only first is official, 2 is very good from what i’ve heard, 3 is not good at all and 4 is a parody of the third one

[crystal hill]

3 is also a jokewad

PRCP is a mixed bag but overall good

[sonic terrace]

Why is promoting cheats bad?

İ just got a warning for it

[storm tapir]

Your iddqd was not enough

[wispy portal]

I plan to

[sonic terrace]

İts so fun, play it

[sonic terrace]

İt wasn't even promoting cheats, the guy didnt get a achievement so i said use a app that gives you achievements

And why is "promoting" cheats a bad thing WHEN DOOM LİTERALLY HAS COLLECTİBLE CHEATS THROUGHOUT THE GAME?!

[bitter shoal]

There's actually a lot. Plutonia 2 is legendarily good, 3 was a bad wad trying to capitalize on the brand, 4 and 7 are joke wads in response to 3. Then there is Plutonia Community Project 1 & 2 (I recommend 2)

[sharp cosmos]

Is 2 harder then the first

[bitter shoal]

It is but more rounded out in encounter design

less chaingun memey and evil dungeon master and more just harder overall

[sharp cosmos]

So less hitscan bullshit and more valid combat stuff

Yay

[bitter shoal]

Plutonia 2 is great beccause I think because it had such a long development time it kind of turned into a huge expression of the mappers themselves rather than just copying what the Casalis did

[dire canyon]

Hi all 👋 Big Doom fan, played all the games just about but original Doom/2 is my fave, glad to join the chat

[bitter shoal]

Welcome!

[crystal hill]

its impressive how well it turned out despite the troubled development

[cloud talon]

Are there any wads that actually do recreate the casalis level design style?

I was quite disappointed with Plutonia 2 not really playing like Plutonia experiment

[bitter shoal]

PRCP1 does but to the wad’s detriment, I just felt like I was playing plutonia 1 levels again. PRCP2 is entirely new though (except for like one level)

[median cloud]

Playing through pl2 it feels like a genuine sequel, I have the feel the original plutonia given me while being expressed in a more personal style

I like it a lot

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/0iRrD15y0Ro?si=CKMTrWOAyJ2suIRy

[bitter shoal]

this might be a good one for me to play in VR if it is going for strong atmosphere

[lost ocean]

Fsr
Attack was the first lvl I beat uv

In all of classic doom

[median cloud]

Odd choice but cool nonetheless

[lost ocean]

Yeah

Attack is a really cool map

[median cloud]

one of the better ones in the master levels

[crystal hill]

sounds very impressive. Dragonfly does good work

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/6mTWWoaN7lU

[storm tapir]

For people who started on ps final doom attack is map01

[crystal hill]

@median cloud I wonder if I would like Eviternity more on a replay

[median cloud]

Not sure what map are you on rn?

[crystal hill]

13

I'll probably get to the secret maps today

[median cloud]

Might need to skip 32

[crystal hill]

that's kind of fine

I skip Map 31 in Ancient Aliens (too boring) and 32 in Speed of Doom (too bullshit) regularly

will still give it a try though

speaking of Ancient Aliens, that wad and Skillsaw maps in general have really grown on me on replays in particular

I didn't love any of them (except Vangaurd), but they've really risen in my estimation since

[median cloud]

Its a very long hard map

Like hour long atleast

[crystal hill]

I've just seen the monster count

I really dunno about this one

Oh well, thats a tomorrow problem

[sonic terrace]

what

is uv?

[crystal hill]

ultra violence

[sonic terrace]

ahh

what is uv max then?

@crystal hill

i keep seeing it

[lost ocean]

I think uv with 100% kills

[sonic terrace]

thanks

[crystal hill]

pistol starting a map on UV, with 100% kills and secrets

[sonic terrace]

damn

that would be one hell of a playthrough

[crystal hill]

I'm starting to have it up to here with the cyber bruisers

I round a corner, I get a rocket to the face, and I die 20 minutes into a map

I fucking love cyberdemons, I'm so excited to have mini cyberdemons throughout this wad

they are the antithesis to arch viles, which make you explicitly aware seconds before you get zapped, giving you many different counterplay options

meanwhile, fuck you rocket to the face lol you ded

[storm tapir]

Makes you appreciate how fairly telegraphed the doom roster is lol

The game would be a dozen times deadlier with bs fast enemy wind ups and less active sounds

[crystal hill]

suuuuure would

so it takes a lot of effort to make new enemies to add to that roster

[storm tapir]

*adds fast explosive lost souls

[sharp wyvern]

doom 64

[sharp wyvern]

man youre really edging me here with your lor thoughts

im so curious about your opinions on the additions

[crystal hill]

hope you dont mind being edged for like a year or more

[sharp wyvern]

im the edge lord i can handle it

i hate them but i appreciate them as a means of diversifying the player's arsenal ngl

[crystal hill]

oh ok

[sharp wyvern]

Ok VEGA thanks

[crystal hill]

I tried to edit a message and then VEGA fuckin nuked it

[storm tapir]

D64 lost souls are ok, the annoying monster is that god forsaken double ls pain elemental

[sharp wyvern]

yeah im not big on them

[crystal hill]

As if pain elementals needed to be more annoying

[sharp wyvern]

at least they sorta force you to whip out chaingun tho

[crystal hill]

and they explode when they die

why

[storm tapir]

they are still mad annoying because they summon to the side as if they are saying you are going down with me bucko if you try to fight them head on

[sharp wyvern]

isnt that to counter the d2 strat

of just physically harassing them so they are useless

[crystal hill]

The telefragging one?

you cant do that outside of gzdoom

because pain elementals have a hitbox as they die otherwise

[storm tapir]

to be fair I think all it would take from id testers are a couple of playthroughs with pain elementals that have melee damage \ explode on death to curse the game in feedback lol

On the plus side that would harm all the annoying souls they spammed \ kill other PEs..

[crystal hill]

only if they dont fly away

[storm tapir]

oh right that would make the annoying stuff fly all over the place.. no thanks

[median cloud]

Died at the last part of pl2 29

Lame

[crystal hill]

yeaaaah

its another magnus opus map

[median cloud]

Its an okay map and reminds me of odyssee of noises

I dont rly like that one either but its novel

Hardest part is finding a route

[crystal hill]

this one has more going on than odyssey imo

[median cloud]

Oh for sure its an improvement

[crystal hill]

meanwhile I'm stuck on map 15

my stubborn ass wants to beat it before going ot bed

[sharp cosmos]

read this again

[sharp wyvern]

why does tvtropes list legacy of rust as its own thing and not under doom 2 lol

it even has final doom under doom 2? 😭

i mean im all for it 👀 but still

[rugged blaze]

I’ve yet to do it. Tbh, I think I should play them standalone first

[sharp wyvern]

i tried to with doom ii and it crashed the game 😭

[crystal hill]

Minor typo detected 🤓 👆

[woven swallow]

IWAD: DOOM2.wad
PWAD: BB2025.wad
Download link: https://dsdarchive.com/wads/bb2025
Complevel: 21
Sourceport: Dsda-doom
Authors: Ravendesk and General Roasterock
Difficulty: Very Hard
Comments (Spoiler)|| Blues Brothers 2025 is a 23 map megawad by Ravendesk and I that takes you on a calcium-rich journey down the deepest depths of a collapsing society and below. Explore a bustling Escher civilization that hides a world under its skin, discover the balance of this slice of life and reach the full potential of chaos and carnage therein. Difficulty settings are implemented and thoroughly tested, so don't shy away from dropping to HMP or HNTR if UV becomes too tough. ||
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1492235833884020907/1498368369056022669/bbimage2.png?ex=69f0e7c9&is=69ef9649&hm=24741f8daf7d84774b7829c8e70643455833fecbf9644e21f1cfa77dbda502db&

[median cloud]

k I finished Plutonia 2

fuck icon of sin maps

[crystal hill]

plut 2's is maybe my favourite

as in, a map 30 that does an icon of sin and not something completely different

[median cloud]

I still think it was horrible

was extremely annoying to aim into the eye sockets

[crystal hill]

I disagree slightly

the angle you need to shoot at is a bit off from what it looks like

but when you DO realise what it is, it's consistent

no waiting for a platform to rise of anything like in Doom 2

[median cloud]

thats true

I dont think ticket to eternity was as hard as lurking fear tbh

[crystal hill]

whaaaat?

[median cloud]

I did put it above black ice but I'm not sure if I stay with that mentality

[crystal hill]

you must be crazy

[median cloud]

Nah once you have a route the map isn't that hard

It's just very dependant on how you route through the map

[crystal hill]

lurking fear has an invuln you can use to severely mitigate the worst fight

[median cloud]

ticket to eternity has an invul as well

[crystal hill]

ticket to eternity has like a dozen cyberdemons

[crystal hill]

its a much longer and more spread out map

an invuln in lurking fear defangs one of the few big fights

an invuln in ticket defangs one of a dozen fights

[median cloud]

I just saved the invul for the cybers at the end of ticket

And it's honestly the only actual "fight"

The map doesn't really do fights it just sprawls monsters everywhere

if you play quick most of them die to infighting

[crystal hill]

and those monsters are dangerous enough to kill you

lurking fear really has nothing on this map

[median cloud]

Yeah but u got a dozen invis spheres for hitscanners and some soulspheres here and there

[crystal hill]

or black ice really

[crystal hill]

what about the enemies that arent hitscanners?

I'm glad it was easy for you, but I dont get how lol

[median cloud]

I think you just need to play it quickly but once u have a footing it really isn't as hard

It wasn't easy just easier than lurking fear

I rated it as X-

2nd hardest map in pl2 for me

[median cloud]

That's a good point though

I think you use the invul for the trap behind the blue door right?

With the chaingunners etc

[crystal hill]

which one was harder?

[median cloud]

Lurking Fear :p

[crystal hill]

I used it for one of the fights in the big open area I think

[crystal hill]

oh right

[median cloud]

Lurking fear > Ticket to Eternity > Black Ice

But all very comparable imo

Black Ice has the hardest start

[crystal hill]

yeah hard disagree, lurking fear is managable compared to ticket

[crystal hill]

true, but you can restart most easily at the start

[median cloud]

Ticket to Eternity is the longest one but it's not like obscenely long

and lurking fear I think just has the hardest trap

Ticket to eternity plays a lot like HR14 (City in the Clouds)

But you get more space to manoevre in the former

on to Speed of Doom nexttttt

@crystal hill hows eviternity coming along?

[crystal hill]

Beat map 15, after almost beating my computer into scrap

and now I don't have Paradise to look forward to after beating its maps, so morale is at an all time low

[median cloud]

wdym paradise to look forward to?

I think map 15 is prety amazing tho

[crystal hill]

I was playing a wad called Paradise alongside Eviternity

I've now beaten it, and it was very good

[median cloud]

Ohhh okay I see

Is the difficulty of Eviternity a turn off or?

just the maps in general

[crystal hill]

I suppose its the length

map 15 was pretty long, even discounting the highlight fight

[median cloud]

19 is the longest map if you ignore 32

[crystal hill]

I've heard

can't wait

on the bright side, I'm nearly done with Sonic Robo Blast 2 so I can move onto Doom 3

[lost ocean]

It's called a magnum opus

[crystal hill]

thank you for correcting my typo

[sharp cosmos]

You wanna beat it b4 you go to bed

Perv

[crystal hill]

you're so funny, I forgot to laugh

[woven swallow]

[median cloud]

Ive played the first maps of sod countless of times and I always have atleast one death on map 05 lol

[sacred pagoda]

i finally got doom anthology and get to play all the doom games!! (previously only played doom 2016 & eternal)

but i'm playing doom 64 and cannot figure out where to go next, can anyone help me pls

[crystal hill]

doom 64 is a generally pretty confusing game

[crystal hill]

Do you guys have any doom music, from pwads or iwads, thats particularly memorable to you?

[median cloud]

Plenty

[crystal hill]

Alright, care to list em?

I'm working on my own list now that I'm slowing down on playing doom again

[livid light]

not exactly doom but the heretic soundtrack’s pretty good, bluroc, ded and elf are some of my favourites

i also like strife’s but i think most people here probably dont or wouldnt, its not as good as the other id games but it still has its charm

[median cloud]

Yeesh will take some effort

Will have to plan this

So many midis

[crystal hill]

Lol

Take your time, no rush at all

[median cloud]

Will do tomorrow

[sharp wyvern]

From fan stuff Wedding March for the Princess of Death (Going Down)

From official ones uhh first one that comes to mind is Walls of the Minotaur from Sigil 2 and They’re All Going To Laugh At You from Legacy of Rust

[woven swallow]

why start with 64 😭 ?

[sacred pagoda]

honestly good question lol. but now that i started it i wanna finish it ig

[halcyon willow]

Elementalism

[crystal hill]

Pretty much everything from Going Down is memorable to me. The music is maybe the most unique I've heard in doom

[halcyon willow]

I mean it's Cyriak

Actually better known for his music than his doom wads

[crystal hill]

Well, moreso for his animations than anything

[median cloud]

Doom 2 - Waiting for Romero to play
Reverie MAP 32 Stigmatism
AV20 - Can't Fight the Logic
Pl220 - End is Nigh
Pl211 - Become the Hunted
Guardian Angel loses their will (used in Alien Vendetta midi pack for map 10)
TNT Revilution MAP 19 - Tongue Tied
TNT Revilution MAP 27 - Grandfather Clocktower
Hellcore 2.0 - Industrial
Mucus Flow OST
Grove OST
Speed of Doom 31 - Stars
Entropy OST
Rise of the triad - Going Down the Fast Way (and a bunch of other ROTT tracks)
Duke Nukem 3D - Stalker, Water World, Sneaky Snake
Eviternity 26 - Gonzu

@crystal hill will update the list if I think of more haha

[crystal hill]

Only a handful of songs so far, this list is going to balloon very quickly

• "Still of the Night" by Hiroki Kikuta, Map 00 of Golden Souls by Batandy (originally from Secret of Mana)
• "Daffodil Petals" by Toby Fox, Map 01 of Golden Souls by Batandy (originally from Make Music, Throw Music)
• "Recovery" by James Paddock (Jimmy), Map 01 of Daylight District by ZeMystic
• "Untitled" by BPRD, Map 24 of Community Chest 2 by BPRD

[crystal hill]

I've finally beaten Eviternity Map 31. Skillsaw never disappoints

Though I'm gonna make an executive decision and skip map 32. I'm not in the mood, and Eviternity will get a replay someday, so I can keep it for then

[median cloud]

No shame I skipped 32 as well

[crystal hill]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Violence theres a list of th songs on here

[sharp wyvern]

are we only counting true midis for this

or does stuff like the sigil buckethead ost count

[crystal hill]

well, two of mine listed arent true midis, so go nuts

[sharp wyvern]

ok well for example from Sigil theres Romero One Mind Any Weapon and 13th Floor, from from Sigil 2 there's Evil Dead and Chainsaw Chorus

my new ragebait tactic is to say that doom 1 has 6 episodes when anomeq is around

[crystal hill]

its hard not to ragebait him

[crystal hill]

I disagree with that solely because Sigil 1 is too good to count as a Doom 1 episode

[crystal hill]

I've only heard the Jimmy midis from Sigil, and of them, Hate Machine is my favourite by far

[sharp wyvern]

lol

[sharp wyvern]

i think jimmy's midis for sigil 1 are overall a better ost and when it comes to sigil 2 they're evenly matched

i mean i like the buckethead ost for sigil 1, but i think a lot of the later songs are kinda samey

13th Floor is really sick though that one is super memorable

it's kinda like IDKFA in a way where some songs are better than others on both sides

[crystal hill]

I'll need to give em a listen someday

[sharp wyvern]

i need to mod them into doom + doom ii as the remix option for sigil/sigil ii

it's a shame that theres no way id would pay money to put them with those wads :p

[sharp wyvern]

i also want to do this with some fan remixes for tnt and legacy of rust ngl

[lost ocean]

Does anyone know the song name of LoR e2m7

[sharp wyvern]

"THE SKELETON WORLD"

[lost ocean]

Mmm

So now I know what I've been playing on piano

[crystal hill]

map 17 of Eviternity sucks

I like being put into a corridor with no way out with an annihilator and nothing to defend myself with except an SSG

And having to fight a cyberdemon for an hour every time I die is boring as piss

[crystal hill]

And I fucking loooooove an annihilator being shrouded in darkness, firing a rocket at me out of said darkness and it hitting me immediately because dragonfly decided to make us fight in a corridor the size of a pool noodle

this is a good wad that I enjoy yes

[median cloud]

you're gonna have such a bad time incoming lmaoooo

I just dont want to spoil you

But the most egregious annihilator placement still needs to come

[crystal hill]

this fucking thing really is going to be scythe 2

I was memeing about the foreshadowing from map 1, but I guess not

[median cloud]

Is your hate with scythe 2 related to the custom monsters?

I do think Scythe 2 is more egregious with it than Eviternity

[crystal hill]

partly

[median cloud]

though astral caco's are tough

[crystal hill]

but its also that I just dont love the levels

I don't hate Scythe 2, but I dont like it nearly enough to be among my favourites

[median cloud]

Tbf if at this point you haven't been convinced by the quality of eviternity's levels then I don't know if you will

[crystal hill]

the astral cacos are both fragile and they dont have hitscan attacks

[median cloud]

Though the hell ep and heaven ep have some really amazing looking levels

[crystal hill]

most of them are good, I'll give you that

[median cloud]

so I'd still push through if I were you

[crystal hill]

but then they throw a cyberdemon super shotgun fight at the beginning at me and then I start falling asleep

[median cloud]

Cannot remember this particular fight but yeah doesn't sound very fun

[crystal hill]

alongside an annihilator in a corridor about 3 inches thick

its the first one in map 17

you can load it up and see it for yourself in less than a minute

I'm not mad because its hard, it isnt.

I'm mad because its tedious to do every time the level's other BS kills me

[median cloud]

oh its cyber vs ssg

well that's not too bad

Your ranting about eviternity strangely makes me want to play it lol

It's on my todo list but I was gonna do SOD first

[crystal hill]

I'm sure I will like it more on a replay

like I did with Skillsaw's wads. But for right now, I'm really rather mixed

[median cloud]

No idea I liked it a lot on first play

[crystal hill]

in a way that I never was with skulldash, at least until the extra levels

[median cloud]

Eviternity 2 is a harder Eviternity if you were ever considering that one

[crystal hill]

oh good

more fucking annihilators

do they just spawn one in front of you on every level to dispose with the pretence of fairness?

at least the evil marines were treated as mini bosses in scythe 2, not regular enemies

[median cloud]

uhhhh not in the later levels

[median cloud]

I cant remember if there are annihilators in eviternity 2

nvm there are

[crystal hill]

of course they would be

because god is dead and dragonfly hates you

I'm not salty, what do you mean?

[median cloud]

I do know that the evi 2 monsters added are basically the 1 on steroids

good news though @crystal hill the annihilator in eviternity 2 doesn't have a chaingun anymore but a fast shooting projectile

the bad news is that the other newly added monsters can be just as devastating

and the maps in general are just way harder

[crystal hill]

luckily for me thats like a year or more away

so I can seek therapy in the meantime

and better yet, the end of map 17 has a nice area to rocket stuff in. It almost reminded me of going down in how much fun I had

[sonic terrace]

Heres a fun fact: the developers of Plutonia also worked in the half life chapter "surface tension"

Wait what?

Where did that message go

Anyways, still a fun fact

[livid light]

ye, iirc dario casali even did some maps for l4d2 like dead center campaign

[crystal hill]

Dario Casali made maps so good, Valve hired him

What a chad

[livid light]

there's even reference to him in tf2! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1470810928474751051/1499136183869903058/20260429154941_1.jpg?ex=69f3b2de&is=69f2615e&hm=5716f66d6e3d06527b415ecfbe592689224920c777a473f676f52addf00ac998&

[halcyon willow]

He worked for Valve for 2 decades and did level design for both half life 1 and 2

[livid light]

damn, why did he leave tho?

[halcyon willow]

Moved on, do new things

[livid light]

aw man, well i hope he’s still doin great cause i havent heard a lot about him…

[bitter shoal]

Valve hadn't really made anything that involved level design except for Alyx in years so I wonder if that was part of it.

[livid light]

ye thats true, i didnt think about that… i guess that since he hasn’t really worked on anything else since half life alyx that he kinda semi-retired from level design

[halcyon willow]

Yeah Alyx was the last thing he worked on. So I suspect that is the case.

[bitter shoal]

ah I thought he left before that

Alyx was great so good to see his touch was on that

[cloud talon]

Same reason everyone else was leaving valve

They dont do anything but random very spread out multiplayer games now

[median cloud]

@crystal hill rq'd Eviternity yet? :p

[crystal hill]

No. Its going somewhat well so far

Not much looking forward to map 19, but hey, thats for future me to deal with

[median cloud]

All things considered it's a really good map

[crystal hill]

Probably. I'm just not the biggest fan of megamaps

[wintry copper]

me neither

I got through Misri Halek in AV not too long ago and I do love it, though I did get lost a couple times

[crystal hill]

Pretty sure misri is shorter than maps 32 and 19 of eviternity

[wintry copper]

and Misri already took me a while

[crystal hill]

Yeah

[storm tapir]

that map's name always catches me off guard lol

[crystal hill]

Which?

[storm tapir]

Misri Halek

[median cloud]

Arabian Slaughter or smth translated

[storm tapir]

No it translates to Doomed Egyptian, but I find it funny because halek is how tourists keep mispronouncing (kef halek - how are you) so it might as well be Egyptian Mood as well.

[lunar rune]

Isn't it more accurately "Are You Egyptian?"

Misri - Egyptian
Halak - Are you

[storm tapir]

No because that question would be "hal enta masri?" or a variation on it.

[mossy snow]

https://youtu.be/zjhfyRq7NEg

[zenith berry]

"Fist only" so basically...(UV) Tyson?

[bitter shoal]

I saw the start of this series before but it was.. ITYTD so no, lol

[zenith berry]

ITYTD-Tyson then it is :p

[worn zodiac]

how the fuck does someone do this

[snow agate]

Idk, someone ate a gum fruit to extend their arms

[mossy snow]

Lots and lots of patience and coffee lol

[mossy snow]

Grandmaster

Reason i did itydt was all monater had to be killed not like just run through the level type run

I could do uv for sure if it wasnt grandmaster style for sure

[mossy snow]

This run was done using hmp for doom 2 grandmaster tyson

[mossy snow]

In some ways, the Doom 1 run was harder doing it because of no fighting with the cyberdemon and such.

[hollow tree]

I recall there was a video, how to beat Doom without firing a shot. Obviously E1M8 and E2M8 are very difficult but technically possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o78DzBJ4Rv8

[sharp wyvern]

asking a question from the-codex channel here, do you guys think Mephisto in Mephisto's Mausoleum is the tomb revenant, the IoS, or both?

[crystal hill]

IoS

[sharp wyvern]

see i thought so but

Time to enter his tomb and lay the old man down to rest for good...

and that revenant is literally in a tomb

[crystal hill]

down to rest for good makes me think "he" has risen before

like the Icon of Sin has

[sharp wyvern]

His immortal spirit was kept as a member of the Cabal though and so he was in on the betrayal against you.
it's possible the revenant is his physical body and his soul is IoS

[crystal hill]

ehhhhh

by that logic, killing the rev should kill the IoS

[sharp wyvern]

not really?

[crystal hill]

no?

[sharp wyvern]

it would be the opposite no?

body dies if soul does not the other way around

[crystal hill]

but you can kill the body first

[sharp wyvern]

yes..?

[crystal hill]

so the soul shouldnt stick around after the fact

[sharp wyvern]

why wouldn't it

[crystal hill]

why would it

[sharp wyvern]

his spirit is "immortal" as it says

[crystal hill]

but you kill it

[sharp wyvern]

it says after he was slain his spirit perservered

[crystal hill]

"Time to enter his tomb and lay the old man down to rest for good..." makes it seem like you kill the guy by entering his tomb (where the revenant is)

[sharp wyvern]

In Mephisto's Maosoleum you have reached the grave of an old friend and mentor: "Mephisto". Yeah old Lucy was a tough bastard. But then there was that incident with the earthling marine which lost him a lot of credit in the hard-core parts of Hell. So you had to kick him off the throne of course. His immortal spirit was kept as a member of the Cabal though and so he was in on the betrayal against you. Time to enter his tomb and lay the old man down to rest for good...

[sharp wyvern]

so then he's the revenant then?

[crystal hill]

rather than the Icon of Sin

[sharp wyvern]

it seems to be ""common knowledge"" he's the revenant, at least most walkthrough youtubers like bigmacdavis and a lot of online forums seem to say so

but i couldn't find a comment from sverre that confirms/denies that

[crystal hill]

this is by far the most i have ever talked about the master levels

[sharp wyvern]

"Lucy" and "that incident with the earthling marine" make it sound like the IoS tho...

[crystal hill]

and I hate how its for mephisto's mauoselum of all things

[crystal hill]

who is lucy?

[sharp wyvern]

read the full blurb i sent

lucy seems to be another name for mephisto

[crystal hill]

???

[sharp wyvern]

lucy as in lucifer i presume

[crystal hill]

that makes more sense

Mephisto, also known as Lucy for some reason

[sharp wyvern]

and i doubt the name lucifer is inspired by a revenant, i can see IoS' baphomet design being confused for lucifer

[crystal hill]

fuck it, mephisto is the spectre that's stuck in the wall in front of the icon of sin that you cant kill

[sharp wyvern]

SO TRVE...

[crystal hill]

his clever ploy is to have you kill his minion and think you've killed him while he lives on

[sharp wyvern]

perhaps i shall ask on doomworld

[crystal hill]

Good luck

[sharp wyvern]

i recently found all of the txt files for the master levels ARE official so im having fun talking about the cabal lore

[crystal hill]

True

[sharp wyvern]

like how the archvile in bloodsea keep is called Veavitdpoh (very evil arch-vile in the deepest pits of hell)

[crystal hill]

two problems - one, its lore for classic doom so I don't care too much, two, its lore for the fucking master levels

[sharp wyvern]

i think it's charming because of that though you know

[crystal hill]

I could be coerced into a lore discussion about Plutonia, because I love it so

[sharp wyvern]

like aww heres a little story for the random community levels they took

[crystal hill]

I guess

my cold dead tryhard heart hasnt felt warmth or kindness in months

[sharp wyvern]

aw :(

[crystal hill]

16 months of straight dooming does that to a man

I just want it to be over

[sharp wyvern]

are you taking breaks

[crystal hill]

very occasionally

[sharp wyvern]

ok good

[crystal hill]

I've done a morrowind playthrough at the start of this year, and I've gotten a few hours on Team Fortress 2, Binding of Isaac and Terraria as well

other than that, I've played basically nothing except for Doom

[sharp wyvern]

damn

[crystal hill]

I think part of why is because I have a goal in mind

Once I finish the 2025 cacoward wads, I have "won", and finished what I set out to do

[sharp wyvern]

i dont know how official this "launcher" is but bigmacdavis' video on it shows the level's thumbnail as the rev tomb https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1212991195744305172/1499675808921423893/image.png?ex=69f5a96f&is=69f457ef&hm=a950ee9b8ea6564931e5ca0916b7f13cf977eef39a010a466ff83ba5cdafd9be&

he links to the now off-sale steam release of master levels in the desc so 🤷‍♀️

[crystal hill]

This might be the wad launcher mentioned in the wiki article

[sharp wyvern]

i get that

i basically played nothing but tboi till i got dead god

[sharp wyvern]

say what now

[crystal hill]

"To ease playing these WADs, the collection also includes DOOM-IT, an application created by Chris Badger for id Software which allows the individual WADs to be loaded through a menu interface. "

[crystal hill]

I played it non stop for months, then I got tired and then intermittently played until I got dead god too

[sharp wyvern]

ohh yeah so it is so this is an official launcher huh

how does it pick out the thumbnail

[crystal hill]

seems so

[sharp wyvern]

meh anyway it seems like that settles it hes the rev

though ill headcanon his soul is the IoS or something

[crystal hill]

then once I do finish that, I can start playing doom more "casually", picking out maps I find interesting

[crystal hill]

more power to ya

[median cloud]

Binding of isaac 🔥

[crystal hill]

its way more popular than I expected, wow

[median cloud]

Was the sp game I played before doom

[crystal hill]

Its one of my "regular" games

[median cloud]

Yeah same

[crystal hill]

You know, I'm really trying to like eviternity

when I'm actually having some fun with a level, it spawns an annihilator out of nowhere who proceeds to kill me with two rockets

the fucking heretic wad I had negative expectations for before playing is higher in my current estimation than eviternity

you need to have a map of the level etched into your brain or you get fucked up the ass when you let your guard down for 2.3 seconds

If a cyber baron kills me like that in map 19, I swear upon all the gods that exist or have ever existed, I am ditching that map

the chaingun after the rocket fundamentally changes how they are approached, and I fucking hate them so fucking much

[sharp wyvern]

are you doing mid level saves

[crystal hill]

nope

I shouldn't have to, in case a cyber baron pops into existence and decides I've been enjoying myself too much lately

remove those fuckers and replace them with, I dunno, astral cacos, and I'd be enjoying myself far more

[sonic cedar]

hi guys what are your opinions on doom 1 im curious
me personally i got it a few days ago its pretty good so far for a game made in 1993 i enjoy it

[crystal hill]

its fine, but I've played so much doom that the levels are a bit boring to me now

[sharp wyvern]

holds up really well and i like it more than doom ii

[lost ocean]

Blasphemy

[crystal hill]

its a pretty common view here

[sharp wyvern]

im due a doom 2 replay admittedly

i was about to call doom 1 my "favourite six-episode game" but anome isnt here anymore so theres no more punchline :(

[crystal hill]

F

[crystal hill]

Wait, is he actually gone?? Why?

[sharp wyvern]

i dont know :(

[crystal hill]

Well. I guess I'm free to slander the doom movie all I want

[sharp wyvern]

on the loosest connected note ever, does anyone else have trouble viewing legacy of rust as a doom 2 expansion 😭

idk, something about the fact the levels are E#M# again plus the huge amounts of changes make it feel like its own thing more than even final doom

then again ig i didnt have this issue when COTM completely changed the level format of Quake 2

[storm tapir]

Which? I mean I wouldn't stop you from slandering any of them lol

[crystal hill]

Doom 2005, I havent watched the second one yet

[crystal hill]

I get your point, but its still rooted firmly in Doom 2 in a lot of ways

[storm tapir]

oh there is a discussion about Mephisto's mausoleum on doomworld, weren't you guys discussing it earlier lol

oh makes sense same poster 😛

[crystal hill]

UAC File is the poster, I'm not involved

I rarely go on the forums, I never got the hang of them

[storm tapir]

Not you I meant griswatch is the same as gR1stw4t(h I just need more coffee

[sharp wyvern]

As much as Doom 2 is in 1 though

[sharp wyvern]

Yea lol I thought I’d ask on there too

[crystal hill]

well, some people consider doom 2 to just be an expansion pack sequel

[sharp wyvern]

well that wouldn’t be an entirely incorrect thing to say

[crystal hill]

exactly

[spiral night]

[storm tapir]

I think it is the revenant, the icon of sin is probably the entrance to the image of evil temple (the next map in Cabal)

[crystal hill]

so Legacy of Rust is an expansion pack for an expansion pack sequel

[sharp wyvern]

oh that’s true

I forgot about that map

[lunar rune]

Seriously? God one of my favourite screenshots is from that guy

[crystal hill]

holy necropost batman

[lunar rune]

I have over 23000 images on my phone and a ton of them are conversations I thought were funny

Also jeez that was almost 2 years ago

[crystal hill]

every time I play map 18 of eviternity, there's a new room of bullshit to make me want to throw my monitor out the window

now there's a room with two arch viles and piss poor cover against them

[wintry copper]

by that logic Sonic 2 and 3 are just expansion pack sequels too 🗿

lowk makes sense bc the spindash is basically the Sonic equivalent of the SSG

[crystal hill]

Sonic 2 and 3 change more from 1 and 2 respectively than Doom 2 does for Doom 1

[crystal hill]

there's also the shields, new playable characters with different gameplay between them, new special stages, basically brand new enemy rosters

[wintry copper]

yeah that's right

ig it could've been more different but what can you do really in just 1 year

[crystal hill]

they didnt have to make it in a year

and expansion pack sequels aren't inherently a bad thing

[storm tapir]

They probably had to rush to get something out while the game is still on fire

[crystal hill]

again, didn't have to. they chose to

Doom 1 made fuck you money

[storm tapir]

Since Doom 2 was the first retail release and going to make a looot more money

[median cloud]

18 or 19

[crystal hill]

18

[sonic terrace]

legacy of rust is the best doom mod/expansion EVER hands down

[median cloud]

Mod I wouldnt say

[sonic terrace]

idk

[median cloud]

But official expansion….. maybe

[sonic terrace]

i know

i said mod anyway

because it technically is a mod

[median cloud]

Yeah but if you include mods the pool becomes a looot larger

[sonic terrace]

yeah

you're right

but still, its the best expansion

i personally put it above all mods too

[median cloud]

Gotta play some more mods homie

[sonic terrace]

its just special dude

the music,the weapons,the enemies

they are all awesome

i wish we got a legacy of rust 2

it was too short

[median cloud]

Yeh Ive played it as well haha

[crystal hill]

I havent played Legacy of Rust yet, but I can name 5 wads I am 100% sure I will rank above it when I come to playing it

[solemn socket]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1099127093419311237/1499830384043491592/IMG_9777.png?ex=69f63965&is=69f4e7e5&hm=08273044a4c7d95f7ad9805269146bfbc8ace49f04c46bd91e9717bbb6d96e37&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1392&height=643 whos getting on that blem

[sonic terrace]

wait how did you post a photo outside of the screenshots channel?

[woven swallow]

He pasted the image link

[sonic terrace]

how do i do that

[median cloud]

Ymmv but I didnt like LoR that much

[crystal hill]

maybe it'll be a Doom Zero situation again

[median cloud]

u liked that tho?

[crystal hill]

oh yes

[median cloud]

More than eviternity it seems lool

[crystal hill]

also yes

I really liked the first half or so, then it dropped off, then sorta recovered

overall a solid thumbs up

[median cloud]

I honestly dont get the appeal. The texturing is bland, the combat is boring

Its not like Sunder which looks amazing or as fun as Going Down which plays amazingly

[crystal hill]

the texturing is simple, but not bad at all. The combat is the same, I'd say

[median cloud]

Yeah maybe its simple aka zero

[crystal hill]

there's a focus on exploration and mild puzzles

[median cloud]

Yeah but the exploration didnt entice me

[crystal hill]

Its not topping my list of anything, but its really just neat