classic-doom

[crystal hill]

its a big map with not much in it

[finite crag]

how many levels are in 1 episode

[bitter shoal]

9

[finite crag]

9 thats way too much how am i supposed to complete em in one sitting

[crystal hill]

Wha

First off, its really not that bad, the levels are short. Second, you dont need to beat them all in one sitting

[twin mortar]

It's 8 if you skip the optional one

[finite crag]

still

realy long nightmare i have to beat entire level on it🙏 🙏 🙏 for achivment

[hearty gorge]

What. Lol

[crystal hill]

Which achievement?

[finite crag]

literaly called nightmare

[hearty gorge]

Is this the d+d2 kex port?

[finite crag]

oh no its just 1 level

[hearty gorge]

Or the unity port

[finite crag]

easy cuz just level not episode

free 10g

[twin mortar]

It's the Xbox 360 port

[hearty gorge]

Oh ok

[finite crag]

how did u

[twin mortar]

You told me that you're playing the Xbox 360 version like 5 times 😭

[finite crag]

of doom 3

[twin mortar]

Which comes with DOOM and DOOM II

[finite crag]

i did mention general chat before ig

[finite crag]

correct

@twin mortar whats easyer to get all achivments on doom1 or 2

[twin mortar]

DOOM 1

[finite crag]

ok but for multiplayer can i do achivment with split screen

[twin mortar]

Nope

[finite crag]

who ownes 360 port

?

[median cloud]

Okay I beat going down map 23 which is supposedly the hardest level

knowing this beforehand I played very safely and it wasn that super hard

just had to be spare with ammo

Took forever to beat however

[idle wasp]

Why would you wanna own the 360 port.

Let alone any console port.

-# I mean besides The originals like for the PS1 and you know classic Doom ports, Just because looking back on the sacrifices they had to make.

[twin mortar]

The 360 port is good tho

And the console ports after it are good too

[idle wasp]

They seriously are just Doom. No sacrifices had to be made.

They're just Doom one and two like they are on the PC.

And honestly that is like no fun in my opinion.

[twin mortar]

That's fair but that's under the assumption that everyone has access to the PC version, or that's the one they bought first

If you bought the console version first then the PC version is just DOOM 1 and 2 like it is on console

[idle wasp]

True I did, legally and ethically got a version of Doom for the snes first before getting the PC version.

[finite crag]

reason doom bfg Edition gives u those 2 free

[idle wasp]

Wait you mean doom 3?

[finite crag]

yes doom 3 bfg for 360

[idle wasp]

Okay, that's a different story.

[crystal hill]

Doom 1 and 2 are cheap

[twin mortar]

There's a big benefit to the Xbox release of DOOM Unity and DOOM KEX in the fact that buying it lets you install it on both PC and Xbox

[finite crag]

version also comes with doom 1 and 2

[crystal hill]

also Doom Eternal gives you the wads for free too

[finite crag]

doom 1 and 2 are delisted

so is bfg edition

[crystal hill]

Doom + Doom 2 is the same thing, essentially

you can still play the dos versions of both

[twin mortar]

BFG Edition for Xbox was never released digitally in the first place

[finite crag]

it shows on xbox store

must have been

[edgy salmon]

If I remember correctly when they were originally released on steam they would literally run though dosbox.

[twin mortar]

It wasn't

All Xbox 360 games had to have a store page

[crystal hill]

the old versions, yeah

[finite crag]

idk i bought bfg edition for like 10 bucks

[twin mortar]

Some of them got their store pages ported to the XB1 store, which happened here

[finite crag]

idk thought it was a good deal

[twin mortar]

But you couldn't actually access the store page without the disc (so you couldn't buy it digitally)

[idle wasp]

You know what's a better deal than a few bucks?

[finite crag]

what

[idle wasp]

Would it be considered piracy if you grab the wads right out of someone else's version of Doom who bought it off the steam, from their computer.

[crystal hill]

yeah

[finite crag]

besides i never play on pc

[idle wasp]

Uuuuuu-

[crystal hill]

no one's gonna know, but its still not legal

[finite crag]

i mean steam tools

[crystal hill]

like if you burned a game onto a dvd and gave that to a friend

[finite crag]

tecnicly u dont own it but u have it in ur libary

[idle wasp]

I don't in my library

[finite crag]

im not supporting piracy tho

[idle wasp]

My friend does

[finite crag]

check my acc i have like 20 more games like og gta trilogy i share across accs

[idle wasp]

More of a GTA player

[edgy salmon]

Doom is doom, no matter the means of getting it.

[finite crag]

rampage achivment
complete all levels on ultra violent mode

does it mean on 1 episode

@twin mortar u probably know

[twin mortar]

All 4 episodes

[finite crag]

nooo

[finite crag]

is the diffrence big from hurt me plenty

[twin mortar]

Yes

[finite crag]

u said kills for online dont count with splitscreen right?

[twin mortar]

Yeah

[finite crag]

that means getting all achivments is unobtainable

[twin mortar]

Servers are still up. Find somebody to help and you can still get them

[finite crag]

no active like thing for group

hmm i tried like joining smth for 10 min nothing

well tbh i cant blame people that dont play

[twin mortar]

There's TrueAchievements

[finite crag]

like who would go in 2026 hmm lets go play multiplayer for doom 1

[finite crag]

i think i requested for help

[neon talon]

https://youtu.be/yRV8fSw6HaE?si=PltZf_WEb31m_QH7

[finite crag]

idk how to check if i requested for help @twin mortar

[median cloud]

Andddd Going Down is beaten

really fun mappack

[ocean mist]

i think i play too much 1 + 2, like whenever i do specific actions i hear the corresponding classic doom noise (like opening and closing doors)

[median cloud]

Which one is better D2TWID or D2INO?

D2TWID looks pretty horrible

[crystal hill]

really?

I thought it was good. Especially for fans of Doom II style wads

oh, I'm thinking of D2INO

I think D2INO is better (how can it not be? it's got Cyriak maps in it), but I wouldn't describe D2TWID as bad

I finished D2TWID, so it must have done something right

[median cloud]

Think I will give that one a shot then

Finished with going down now

[ancient shoal]

Plutonia is insane smh

[native anchor]

Has the DOS version always been easy to play or setup on Steam? When you start the DOS version up, you'll get a prompt telling you which of the 4 commercially released Doom games to play, but also you can press 6 to set things up like getting the keyboard binds.

Maybe it's been the case since the release of the KexEngine port.

[little oar]

Yes, but not like that
Steam DOOM has always come with a dosbox setup, but each "expansion" or game used to be a completely different listing on the store page and your library

If you wanted to load up Master Levels For DOOM II, you would launch specifically that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920390932384337920/1478283181995196486/image.png?ex=69a7d5ff&is=69a6847f&hm=885c23dd5274bdde45b597afd5749536d66f01bf8576ea6164fd6b416c46cd0a&
For example

(DOOM 1 isn't shown since that version became DOOM + DOOM II, but it used to just be called 'Ultimate DOOM')

[twin mortar]

It became 'DOOM (1993)' in 2022 which is a change nobody asked for

[median cloud]

After Scythe 2 what would you guys think is the next step up in difficulty for custom doom wads?

[bitter shoal]

There isn't a good answer because it has higher highs than most other stuff I've played but if you account for the overall curve stuff like Plutonia 2 is more consistently hard, or its community project sequels (PRCP2 gets up there, map 20 is very Scythe 2 esque)

[median cloud]

Yeah I mean step up in terms of peak difficulty. I know Scythe 2 earlier half is really easy and it ramps up difficulty over the course but the peak of Scythe 2 seems to be higher than pl2, av, hr...

[woven swallow]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/157469-absolute-extinction-–-doom-1-megawad/

[median cloud]

Looks good

[median cloud]

Gave up on maxxing requiem map 24, too little ammo and the 3 barons on top eat too much ammo

nvm I maxxed it anyway

Very annoying to max however

[crystal hill]

I havent been very actively playing doom for days now, due to preparing for a holiday

I dont think it'll change until two weeks from now at earliest, lol

[chilly ruin]

i tried playing Doom 1993, and i honestly enjoy just how fast can you move around the map
i excel a lot in the combat sections
i kinda suck at exploration though

[woven swallow]

automap exist btw

[mellow matrix]

180 Minutes Pour Vivre gets pretty insane in the last 5 or so maps

[chilly ruin]

yeah i tried using automap but still get confused as to where do secret doors lie and all that

had to rely on online video guides

[woven swallow]

IDDT?

that works

[glass bone]

I hate map08 of tnt evilution so much, this might be one of the worst maps ive ever played

[torpid yacht]

Its ok on UV
But fast monsters its sooo annoying

[bitter shoal]

is that the one that starts out decent enough but kind of poops itself at the end with the slow moving lift progression?

[torpid yacht]

Not sure, all I remember is the huge room with hit scan and the spiders at the end

[median cloud]

Its a map called Metal

[bitter shoal]

that's probably what I'm thinking of. I knwo you can go back and pick up an invis for the hitscanners

[median cloud]

Its meh for sure

[mellow matrix]

I don't mind Metal. The Mill is my vote for worst abomination in the wad.

[glass bone]

Is there any way you can force open the corner doors in the red door room? The ones on the right didnt open and wont open, theres a secret behind one

In metal

[median cloud]

the mill is actually pretty hard as well

[glass bone]

Oh my goodness why dont these maps work

Theres a switch supposed to show up that lowers me down to a room with some enemies, this is on map09 stronghold, the wall that reveals the switch simply isnt lowering at all

[torpid yacht]

Skip the whole wad and go to tnt: revilution

Lol

[wintry copper]

what source port are you using

[woven swallow]

Dsda doom and Uzdoom

....and 89 more

[wintry copper]

I was asking the guy who is having issues with TNT's MAP09

but damn that's a lot

[tiny rain]

@hollow elbow You're posting links too fast.

[median cloud]

man I cant lie

I find Requiem a horrible mappack

[crystal hill]

man, that is harsh

Since you like 90s stuff, I thought you'd like it even more than I did

[median cloud]

I like Hell Revealed about 100x more than I like Requiem

I hate playing through this pack lol

the difficulty is all over the place and comes to fruition in the most boring frustrating types of combat imaginable

[crystal hill]

madness

Hell Revealed loses me a third in with all the barons and no resources to fight them

I dont remember Requiem having anything nearly that bad

[median cloud]

THis is the entirety of requiems difficulty

Low resources

HR atleast has some cool combat set pieces

I just finished "The reactor" and while its a cool idea its 20 minutes of shotgunning strong demons

the ssg is a secret 3/4rd of the way in the level

Requiems difficulty comes from deciding if you want to spend half an hour shotgunning high hp demons or if you’d rather first want to go for a good weapon and risk taking damage over time

[crystal hill]

watching MtPain's video for a refresher, I don't think the reactor is a good example for the whole wad

I really don't think there's as many maps there that hamstring you with worthwhile ammo compared to what you fight vs Hell Revealed

[median cloud]

The map prior to that is horrible

The 07 clone

Map 03 and 04 are for some reason really hard relative to other maps near this number

[crystal hill]

I'll need to replay it sometime, it looks like

based on how differently I remember it to yourself

[median cloud]

06 was also horrible to play through

Also really ugly

Imma replay Hr as well because I really cant remember finding that as tedious as I find Requiem despite hr having that reputation

Requiem is so much corridor shooting

[idle wasp]

Anyone got any suggestions on wads

Been wanting to play some more maps

[halcyon willow]

What have you been enjoying lately

[idle wasp]

Honestly when it comes to gameplay mods, I would say stuff like beautiful Doom and final doomer.

So maps that go great with that, would be nice.

[halcyon willow]

Mods =/= wads

Generally classed as 2 different elements

[idle wasp]

Also I will admit I am a bit of a ##### and I usually only play in I'm too young to die, I'm not here for a challange, I'm just here to have fun in your game.

[halcyon willow]

Does beautiful doom change game play?

[idle wasp]

Yes

[halcyon willow]

Play the difficulty you have the most fun on

[idle wasp]

If you consider changing the weapons.

I mean the same kind of weapons but like they're used differently and they can have different feels.

[halcyon willow]

So back to my original question, what wads have you been enjoying recently

If only so we don't recommend something you've already played

[idle wasp]

I enjoyed bfdw8

And surprisingly doom 2 the way we remembered it

[halcyon willow]

bfdw8?

[idle wasp]

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/bfdw8

[halcyon willow]

Doom 2 The Way ID Did It is pretty traditional gameplay

Scythe is a must play

[idle wasp]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom:_The_Way_We_Remember_It

[halcyon willow]

Alien Vendetta

[idle wasp]

That one is good, not great.

Like the weapons from it more than anything

[idle wasp]

Have not played this

[halcyon willow]

Alien Vendetta has vanilla weapons

Nothing is modified

[idle wasp]

I must be thinking another mod then.

I have been playing a lot of vanilla Doom 2 with Final Doomer

[idle wasp]

Could I get a link to this one?

I'll look into it.

[halcyon willow]

https://www.doomworld.com/files/file/11944-scythe/

[idle wasp]

I'll email it to myself so I can download it next time I'm on my computer, it seems like an interesting premise.

Personally like it being co-op

Since it gives more weapons usually

[halcyon willow]

Only if you play it coop

[idle wasp]

Map map01 coop exists.

[torpid yacht]

After I finish eviternity
Should I go for ancient aliens first or sunlust

[ocean mist]

why can tyrants infight with cyberdemons?

but barons cant infight with hell knights

[torpid yacht]

They can but with melee attack or with a barrel

(Very rare)

[bitter shoal]

enemies can't be hit by their own moving projectile (hitscan enemies are the exception but those aren't technically projectiles) - they share the same projectile and they are considered the same enemy as far as that projectile is concerned

I'm probably explaining it in a way that doesn'ta lign with how it is coded

[idle wasp]

They used to infight themselves lol

[halcyon willow]

What? The coop specific items only spawn if you play coop

[idle wasp]

I'm talking in uzdoom (lzdoom too) "map [map name here] coop." Spawns coop monsters and items.

[halcyon willow]

Yes. That is playing in coop mode/setting

[median cloud]

@idle wasp Nostalgia is also a byte sized mappack with relatively easy levels

Though if you play on ITYTD you can probably play stuff like Alien Vendetta as well

[crystal hill]

Alien Vendetta is great vanilla weapons and all

[median cloud]

I overestimated AV's difficulty at the start tbh

I think it might be the easiest out of the tradational hard WADs

[crystal hill]

which would those be?

[median cloud]

Like AV, HR, HR2, Scythe 2, SOD, Kama Sutra, pl2

Id say av is the easiest in this list

Maaaybe kama sutra

[gaunt gate]

Is there a way I can play DOOM 1993 and DOOM 2 for free on Android ?

[crystal hill]

no because copyright exists

[gaunt gate]

Damn
Guess I have to wait till May to get to my PS4

[crystal hill]

F

you can play either the shareware (first episode of Doom 1) or Freedoom in the meantime

[bitter shoal]

I like how memes have evolved backward. It used to be “can it run crysis” now it is “can it run doom”

[crystal hill]

those are pretty different scenarios

[median cloud]

Okay so I took the matrix I made with Doom grades and calculated the average grade and difficulty grade for the iwads. Was pleasantly surprised with how accurate it was

DOOM C+ D
DOOM E4 B- C-
DOOM II C+ C-
TNT EVILUTION C+ C
PLUTONIA B- B-
NO REST FOR THE LIVING B C+
MASTER LEVELS C- C-
LEGACY OF RUST B- C+

First grade is quality second is difficulty

So according to my own ratings the most difficult mappack is Plutonia, followed by a tie between NRTFL and Legacy of Rust, followed by TNT evilution

ah the quality grades are wrong oops haha

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1452632530061627434/1478675641976098826/Ultimate_Doom_Demo_Recording_Tutorial.pdf?ex=69a94381&is=69a7f201&hm=d9e2ba74434a9b96950bbbf70b5fb5d75fc73504b94b53c4276bdb037e94ff9e&

[desert tinsel]

No rest for the living deserved B+ if not A-

[median cloud]

My grading probably needs some work

Like difficulty wise I had plutonia at B- and scythe 2 at…… B-

[crystal hill]

That's insane

A normie with enough patience could beat Plutonia on UV. Not so with Scythe 2

[hearty gorge]

ik this list needs some work but i wouldn't say doom 2 has the same quality as doom 1, i'm not talking new content here tho.

[median cloud]

Its just the average

Plutonia is on avg pretty hard

Scythe 2 first 10 maps are very easy

[median cloud]

The quality rankings were inaccurate but I changed it

Tho I still have both at the same quality

Doom 1 has multiple maps I absolutely hate while doom 2 doesnt

[crystal hill]

but the last 5 maps or so are brutal

way more so than anything Plutonia has

[median cloud]

True but the grading is on average

Now atm plutonia is c+ and scythe 2 is B

So it changed to be more accurate

Ancient aliens and going down are b-

[crystal hill]

I think ridiculously hard maps should bump up the average by a lot

take out scythe 1's map 30, and it's a generally very easy wad. Add it in, and the difficulty rises sharply

Because that one maps is going to filter a great majority of the people who made it up to that point

[median cloud]

Good points but not sure how I should tackle this

Food for thought

[ocean mist]

ok, this doesnt explain why tyrants from LOR can infight with cyberdemons tho

[bitter shoal]

I think because it's probably not counted as a Cyberdemon, so the projectiles it is using isn't technically their own.

[halcyon willow]

Because they're different monsters?

[bitter shoal]

I remember in Pirate DOOM 2 they modified Barons to use Rockets but because they are Cyberdemon rockets, they can infight with each other

[halcyon willow]

It's not that complicated

[ocean mist]

huh, so even though they looks like cyberdemons, and are weaker cyberdemons, they dont count as a cyberdemon?

[bitter shoal]

nope

or at least I assume not

[ocean mist]

weird

[bitter shoal]

I hadn't played LoR but I saw another similar case so I assume it is like that

[crystal hill]

barons and hell knights have a special exception in the code to stop them infighting

[halcyon willow]

The original "weak" cyberdemon was created by Ribbiks iirc and have become a staple of a lot of mappers work. Thye were specifically designed to have less hp, infight with eachother and normal cyberdemons, and just generally provide some extra versatility to the bestiary.

They have the green guts in a lot of mapsets

[ocean mist]

oh so they are meant to infight with cyberdemons

[halcyon willow]

Among everything else, yes

A very deliberate design decision

[ocean mist]

interesting

[gaunt gate]

How?

[livid light]

you can download freedoom in freedoom.github.io or get shareware doom from the internet archive

[gaunt gate]

Thank you

[native anchor]

How likely is a newcomer to Doom gonna touch the Master Levels? Assuming their introduction is via the KexEngine port which would definitely be the case for many people nowadays.

[fossil plaza]

there is one in doom 2 that has like 35 tyrants

[little oar]

Depends if they want to see all DOOM has to offer, or only play 1 and 2
If they want to see it all (which is very easy thanks to the kex port), then them touching master levels is pretty likely

Now finishing it on the other hand? Oi, not so much

[median cloud]

Hopefully only if they really like Doom haha

I could think the name would trigger interest in new players. Hearing the MASTER levels surely has some weight to it

[median cloud]

Alright I finished Requiem

Map 29 was painful

[median cloud]

Do you have a favorite map in Requiem? @crystal hill

[wintry copper]

not McGee but my faves are Rats in the Walls, The Reactor, Cursed Kingdom, The Canyon, Doorway to Quake and Skinny Puppy

[median cloud]

Yeah those are the good ones. What about town of the dead?

[wintry copper]

I liked that one too

[median cloud]

My top 3 are poison processing, escape from chaos and town of the dead

[wintry copper]

though the combat is at points a bit poorly designed

Escape from Chaos is rather disjointed but it's decent

[median cloud]

Yeah ikkra is not good at combat

[median cloud]

I enjoyed it tbh

[wintry copper]

yeah that's his Achilles heel by far, otherwise he was a solid mapper

[median cloud]

Cool spaceship as well

[wintry copper]

yea

dude the ammo/health deprivation in Poison Processing is overkill 😭

shame bc otherwise I love that map too

[median cloud]

Its insane for a map 3

[wintry copper]

just goes to show just how much polish the whole thing still needed

[median cloud]

Its funny how the hard wads like hell revealed have a very easy first 10 maps

And requiem had a bunch of hard maps early on

[glass bone]

If they play doom+doom 2 id say highly likely

[wintry copper]

yeah meanwhile AV puts its boot to your groin as soon as you reach map 4 🤣

[glass bone]

Its the third title listed

[wintry copper]

even on HMP lmao

[glass bone]

How do you get the doom map maker? Is it on steam, a website, where at

[median cloud]

Played through the first 10 HR maps and only 09 was a bit tough

[wintry copper]

just google "Ultimate Doom Builder" and you're set

[glass bone]

Neat

[finite crag]

OG doom

[native anchor]

That is more than likely gonna be where most newcomers start nowadays. It is avalanche on all modern consoles.

Even on PC, the KexEngine port is still very convenient.

[native anchor]

What's the worst level to pistol start in your opinion?

[halcyon willow]

Fortress of Mystery

[native anchor]

Is that TNT?

[halcyon willow]

Inferno

E3m9

[crystal hill]

E2M9

Its fine if you know to infight the enemies

[obsidian gorge]

Infighting is a bless

[halcyon willow]

No it still sucks

The barons crush the cacos in any case

[obsidian gorge]

Crushing tomatoes

[halcyon willow]

Gotta make soup

Even better if you add some meat balls

[obsidian gorge]

With the e3m1 floor texture as spaghetti noodles

[median cloud]

You got plenty of ammo to deal with the remainders

[median cloud]

For the official maps: The Chasm in Doom 2 can be rough if you try to max.
TNT 07 Prison also is pretty bare bones on pistol start

TNT 29 River Styx as well, tons of plasma ammo. No plasma weapon

And then Plutonia map 12 Speed

[halcyon willow]

As per previous, it still sucks

Sucks =/= difficult

I like difficult doom maps

I make extremely difficult doom maps

[median cloud]

Ah I interpreted the question as what is hard to pistol start

[median cloud]

What mappacks have you made?

Ah Age of Hell I can see your bio lol

[crystal hill]

I think he meant worst as in difficulty, not least fun

[median cloud]

@crystal hill do you have a fav Requiem map?

[crystal hill]

If I do, I'll need to think about it

But I'm currently very busy trying not to fail at being on holiday

I've been out of the doom scene for a week and I'll probably stay that way for a while longer

[median cloud]

No problem, enjoy your holiday

[median cloud]

Think imma play some Alien Vendetta and Kama Sutra again, not sure if I will use Crispy Doom or dsda doom

[halcyon willow]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Bridgeburner56

[median cloud]

Would you say combat shock is a good step up in difficulty after finishing scythe 2?

Seems easier than sunder

[halcyon willow]

Combat Shock is a good entry level slaughter map set

Definitely easier than late game Sunder maps

Rush is another good entry level slaughter wad

And Deus Vult 1 and 2

Desu Vult altered my brain chemistry lol

[median cloud]

Yeah Im looking for a good way to segway into the really hard mappacks. Was thinking of doing early sunder but even those are still pretty hard compared to like deus vult

[median cloud]

Map 3 is gorgeous

Dv2 also has cool maps but idc about a lot of them

Only 21 is relevant to me

[mellow matrix]

If you do Rush consider doing Microslaughter Community Project right after. It gets harder (than Rush) by the end and has a very good variety of encounters.

[quick monolith]

Anyone wanna play Doom multiplayer (Xbox preferred but you can be on anything) we can do death match if u want

[woven swallow]

Crumpets
Combat Shock 2
Stardate 20x6
Haste
Sunlust
Stardate 20x7
Fractured Worlds
Firefly
Die (Death in Excess)

[median cloud]

In that order or just those mappacks?

[native anchor]

Is this the most common play order for Classic Doom?
Doom 1 > Doom 2 > Final Doom > Doom 64 > Lost Levels

[woven swallow]

in order

easiest to hardest

[median cloud]

Where does old sunder and new sunder fit?

[woven swallow]

in between Stdate20x6 and Haste

new sunder tho, between firefly and Death in Excess

[median cloud]

Surprised sunlust is so hard tbh

Id think old sunder was still harder than sunlust

Especially 05,06,13 and 14

[fossil plaza]

You forgot

No rest for the living

[median cloud]

Played map 1-13 in HR and havent found it tedious yet, fairs a lot better than Requiem

I looove map 13 last look at eden

11 underground base was also cool

I think the rott music tickles my brain chemistry

[olive robin]

where was rott?

which doom game

[median cloud]

Rise of the triad is a different doom clone shooter but the music is good

Just goes well with whatever hell revealed is

[olive robin]

aaaa okok

[mellow matrix]

MAP13 is the last HR level I played before putting it down. 14 was grindy nonsense that I got no enjoyment out of, and I know it only gets worse from there.

[bitter shoal]

eh, I hate the term DOOM clone because most of them were more advancements of Wolf3D, RotT especially notoriously so

[median cloud]

Thats true

[median cloud]

14 does have that reputation

Not sure about the others will have to see for myself

22-29 are pretty good

[dense pasture]

I wanna get zandronum without buying doom 1+2

Is that possible

[livid light]

you can use freedoom but i havent tried it in zandronum
like the name says its free so id say its worth giving a shot

you wouldnt be able to play vanilla maps online tho as they are completely different

[dense pasture]

But can you play brutal and stuff?

[livid light]

it should work but since some sprites are for doom enemies youd just see them transform sometimes
theres a mod called brutal freedoom that is better for it but it hasnt been updated in a while

[dense pasture]

how do i get it to work? @livid light

[livid light]

well, if you want to play brutal + freedoom alone, then uzdoom is the better choice

otherwise idk how to set up a server for zandronum

[livid light]

just put your iwad inside of the uzdoom folder, then drag brutal doom into the exe
then you should be ready to go

[dense pasture]

alright thanks

[native anchor]

Well I’m making it my mission to play every WAD included in the KexEngine port at least once.

[torpid yacht]

Just finished eviternity

Last fight was difficulty to hit the final boss n had an idea after my 15th try

[woven swallow]

Y'all know what the doomed index is?
Yes
No

[livid light]

oh wait nvm i thought it was something about doomednums

[south ocean]

just got doom 1, 2 and 64

w/l

[woven swallow]

here’s the idea, you earn points for completing hard doom maps. The harder the map, the more points you get. Each map is rated by difficulty, so your score reflects how tough a challenge you completed.

Here’s the difficulty scale:

Ez – literally cannot be considered hard
Fairweather – Entry level hard map
Marine – Medium-hard maps
Veteran – For experienced players
Jaded – Very hard, only for the skilled
Elite – Extremely challenging
Legendary – Top-tier difficulty
DOOMED – The hardest of the hardest

Also, apparently sunder map14 is in fairweather...

[twin mortar]

WWW

[coarse lotus]

Any chance that the CO that Doomguy bodied in the instruction manual before his transfer to mars could be retroactively named “Kelly” from Doom 3?

[median cloud]

I legit think ppl underestimate old sunder

Sure on average its easier but 06,13,14 are hard lol

A lot of these harder wads are just platforming maps

[south ocean]

is it still possible to get the brown doom marine skin in doom eternal by using doom 2 on steam?

or do i need to rebuy it on xbox

[sharp veldt]

17 maps into Unholy Realms, very Plutonia with a hint of Romero

[median cloud]

HR map 14 is a pain

[wintry copper]

the whole WAD is probably pain tbh, at least after map 9 or so

it's decent up to that point, fun even, but after that it becomes really hard

[median cloud]

I dont mind the difficulty but 14 is annoying in its difficulty. 13 was also difficult but a great map

[wintry copper]

oh I thought 13 was City in the Clouds when that one is actually 14

[median cloud]

Yeah that one is 14, 13 is last look at eden

[bitter shoal]

I'm genuinely baffled at the thought of beating Last Look at Eden by not doing the key grab mouse move trick or being decino

[mellow matrix]

The blue key fight? I'm pretty sure it's like 80% luck and making sure you save the mega armor for it. I've beaten it but I have no idea if I could do it consistently.

[median cloud]

I did it pretty consistently honestly

Did save soulsphere for it

Use rl to target chaingunners first then kill revs

[bitter shoal]

Ah. That is good to know then.

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1376790283274162206/1480186247845773424/doom32.png?ex=69aec25e&is=69ad70de&hm=113c915c2523591708284bffb8b277c55b55803d2380c640d61791b4976d6fbc&

Recently, I just re-beated Ozonia this year, it was way better than I remembered,

The midis are absolutely top notch

I feel like the custom enemies kinda just ruin most of the maps (I am not a fan of them), but overall, it is a good mapset, Ozonia will forever remain one of my top 10 favorite wad of all time

Massive props to Tomas Soares and many other extremely talented mappers who contributed making this mapset

IWAD: Doom2.wad
PWAD: Ozonia.wad
Download link: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/ozonia
Complevel: 9
Source port: Prboom+
Author: Tomás Soares

[median cloud]

Okay I beat HR map 17 Black Tower and it was surprisingly harder than Id expect

Mostly the start though

[torpid yacht]

Should I play fractured worlds or he'll revealed first

Which one is easier

[woven swallow]

Hell Revealed first

Coughing baby vs Hydrogen bomb...

[median cloud]

Honestly neither lol

I like HR but thats a personal bias, it isnt big quality.
If you want a harder wad than what you're used to try: alien vendetta, speed of doom, scythe 2

These are quality mappacks with an increase in difficulty

[torpid yacht]

Already played av it wasnt hard

My hardest wad ao far i think it's tetanus

[median cloud]

Never heard of Tetanus

AV is easier than the other 2 but still seen as a bit of a tougher mappack

if you find it easy maybe give Scythe 2 a shot? Map 23-27 can be tough

otherwise u can try fractured worlds

Bleh I was gonna play through HR and AV first but I think I might move on to combat shock

Ive already played these mappacks in the distant past

[halcyon willow]

Fractured Worlds is spicy on UV, but it does have well balanced difficulty settings. He'll Revealed is just boring lol. Unless you enjoy shotgunning hordes of Barons

[native anchor]

I always think Chocolate Doom is really all I need. Of course, I haven't gotten to installing UZDoom on Linux Mint yet, so I wouldn't now the right terminal commands to start up Brutal Doom for example.

Meanwhile, Chocolate Doom on Linux is just picking which of the commercial WADs you want.

[median cloud]

Im at map 18 now and shotgunning hordes of barons really only seems to be relevant if you want to max your maps

Map 15 and 16 requiref some tedious cleanup for maxxing

[woven swallow]

you should play Reconditus

[storm tapir]

Map16 in general isnt that fun

[median cloud]

It's sad because I like everything else about 16

Layout and midi are great

[median cloud]

@woven swallow you're in the doomed index stuff right? I'm checking the excel "Index Reference while maintanance"

Difficulty seems to be set in numbers, do you perhaps know what number corresponds with what level?

I'm surprised by the respect Eviternity II is getting, didn't expect it to be this hard in people's eyes haha

[woven swallow]

can you share me it?

[median cloud]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CX08_bM3fNtiiGC_zgJ6kLFRFpaSW8_TrnIGTZkJJ1w/edit?gid=2066479470#gid=2066479470

I figured out the ranking

[woven swallow]

wait whha? there are 9 difficulties? i thought it was only 8

9 is apparently DOOMED?

[median cloud]

EZ - Beginner - FairWeather - Recruit - Marine - Veteran - Jaded - Elite - Legendary - DOOMED

EZ is legacy apparently but corresponds with 0 in that excel

[woven swallow]

ohhh

[median cloud]

Fun to know I've beaten a "Marine" level map like months ago before I started my hard wad grind lol

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1346158800301985812/1480579953190764759/Screenshot_2026-03-09_212557.png?ex=69b03108&is=69aedf88&hm=28dd0d5641dc7dd262ecc3b1bae13d131b7b8941cc132f2c7b41e76423633488 i was pretty shocked to know FW map02 was in this tier....

[median cloud]

That's the Veteran tier I suppose

[woven swallow]

haven't beaten it yet, but i am getting consistent at it tho....it's just that one bs fight nearly at the end

[median cloud]

Cool man almost got a veteran map under your belt then

I've peaked at marine for now

if I were to uv-max one of these maps in veteran tier I'd go for sunder map 31 since I love that map

But I'm taking it sloooowly

[median cloud]

Dying at the end of a 30 minute map reaaallyyyyy sucks

Combat Shock map 03 died at the end because I was too greedy

[woven swallow]

Man I feel your pain

[torpid yacht]

Mmm I should play scythe 1 first before trying 2

[torpid yacht]

Im on ps5 ill have to look for it

[median cloud]

Scythe 1 is very easy until map 20 or something

and 30 is really hard

Man im upset I choked that last combat shock fight

[native anchor]

Hot take: Doom 1 and 2 are more fun to play without saving compared to saving at the start of every level and even pistol starting every level.

[vestal flax]

doesn't not saving just force you to pistol start levels when you die?

[torpid yacht]

He means pistol start every level without saving

I did that on Legacy of rust
N not doing it again 💀

[torpid yacht]

Spice it up by making it fast monsters

[native anchor]

No, I meant finishing a level and keeping the weapons for the next level, until you die and have to restart the level on pistol start.

Single segment basically.

But also with pistol start every time I die.

That's kinda how it was mostly played back then I presume.

[native anchor]

Exactly.

[torpid yacht]

I pistol start every level any wad but i do save

Specially when the map takes like 1h or 2h to beat!!!

[native anchor]

That effectively means your entire aresenal is on the line. And you want to treat every fight like it's a real high stakes battle for life or death.

[torpid yacht]

I did that once and didnt die
Maybe ill go back to pistol start every level on UV+ fast monsters

[woven swallow]

.....why not just pistol start then? orrr is it like uhh...punishment for dying i guess XD

[woven swallow]

ohhhh....

[median cloud]

I gave up on maxxing HR map 18 thats just too tedious

[median cloud]

HR map 15-20 is so fucking tedious

[median cloud]

@woven swallow when trying to single segment big maps like sunder ones, do you practice first with saves or just pistol start each time?

[woven swallow]

practice first with saves

i highly recommend saving before a big fight so you can later practice it later

[bitter shoal]

I dropped HR at map 16

later saw there was a follow up in HR2 lol

[median cloud]

HR map 16 - 21 is pretty horrible

I think this is were the mappack got its bad reputation from

[median cloud]

I'd say HR 1 - 15 is good (14 and 15 are annoying to max and 14 needs good routing to be doable)
22-26 is good
28 is good
31, 32 are pretty good

The rest are horrible lol

16-21, 27, 29, 30 are shit

23 is also kinda meh tbh

In my replay I only have 22-24 left but I think I'l pass on those since I remember them vividly anyway.
Might start Alien Vendetta now

[storm tapir]

26 - Afterlife isn't horrible, although much harder than most maps

As it has the coolest map theme in the wad

oh sorry you wrote 22-26 not 25

[median cloud]

Oops mistake on my part. Afterlife is the best HR map

[storm tapir]

I need coffee

[median cloud]

Nah I wrote 25 just edited it now

[storm tapir]

Oh lol

[median cloud]

Afterlife is my favorite HR map so I def like it

Second hardest map in the pack as well (I find Ascending to the stars tougher)

[storm tapir]

that's the map with the lasers and rev bonanza mess?

Yeah that map is outrageous on blind playthrough without saves

[median cloud]

yeah and the blue kep trap that drops you into a room full of chaingunners

I swear that trap is rng

[storm tapir]

Worst part about that map is trying to clean up rooms after you are done with the "threats"

Only way to make it more tedious is maybe high ledge chaingunners

[median cloud]

A lot of what makes HR so meh is the cleanup tbh

Map 16 is fine but I want to max which means about 30 barons I still need to kill

Map 18 (Hard Attack) is just too annoying too max, it's with all the monsters on top of a building. Where the BFG is in the middle

The map itself is fine but maxxing it just bleh

[storm tapir]

Yeah it seems more catered for just rushing through rather than UV maxing

[robust schooner]

Revenants are cool until they shoot homing missiles

[abstract goblet]

I play every wadpack like this, until it starts ambushing me repeatedly.

I think I got to like, level 21 of TNT playing without saves and pistol starting only when I died. But it was taking me too long, so I eventually gave up and started using saves every now and then to make things slightly more bearable.

[median cloud]

okay went through cs map 4 with saves, took me about 55 minutes but I dont think the map is super hard

one spider didnt spawn in tho but no idea what usually triggers her

[median cloud]

the shitty part about these maps is dying to stray rockets

[mellow matrix]

The worst part isn't even the death. It's the terrifying jumpscare you get when they hit you for 7000 damage.

[median cloud]

Was having a good run as well made a small mistake and ran back into a rocket

25 mins down the drain

Im sure I can beat cshock map 4, pound for pound its not a tough map

[gloomy scarab]

Are there any more updates coming for Doom + Doom II?

If so, then I have a suggestion

The color of blood particle effects of certain enemies should be changed to a different color

Blue for the Cacodemons, green for the Barons of Hell and Hell Knights

[median cloud]

Think some custom ports have this like Woof! And Crispy Doom

Wouldnt count on the official one to add it

[worthy geyser]

The Archvile can respectfully rot in hell.

[mellow matrix]

Color matching blood is such a nice feature. Makes things a little more immersive and helps with feedback/knowing what you hit in bigger fights.

[torpid yacht]

I skipped hell revealed n started with Japanese Community Project

Stopped at map 6
So far it's okay

[sharp wyvern]

i would love that as a change but i think id won't let them alter something like that

id actually didnt let nightdive patch out glitches in d64

[gloomy scarab]

Why not?

[sharp wyvern]

something something preserving the original or whatever

[native anchor]

You know, I always thought Doom 64 was an alternate Final Doom for the longest time. Like, Final Doom was the last commercially release Classic Doom game until Doom 3 released. But then there was Doom 64 which was almost unheard of until the KexEngine port released in 2020.

It did definitely set up the events of the modern games (2016, Eternal, Dark Ages), but nobody really knew back then. Most people just assumed it was Doom 1, 2, TNT, Plutonia, and that's it.

[halcyon willow]

I definitely would not refer to D64 as 'unheard of'

[lime rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/sephiroth-hello-chat-gif-22187345

I got doom 1 onto my highschool Chromebook

[edgy aspen]

keep in mind a potato could run it better

[lime rivet]

This is true

[south ocean]

bro

can someone tell me how to delete a save file on doom 1 on pc

idk what these buttons are bro. its a right facing arrow

@twin mortar

nvm its tab

[stable folio]

what do yall use for classic doom? i use uzdoom

[fluid dune]

I'm way too backwards for uzdoom, still using gzdoom and eureka. Hope to upgrade to uzdoom and udb someday soon

[median cloud]

good, played through HR very recently

it's overhated but if you care about maxxing it becomes a huge pain in the ass between 16-21

Map 20 is also just in general a horrible map

But I do think it has its charm

[woven swallow]

I use Woof...

[glass grove]

Hi

[median cloud]

I use dsda-doom or crispy doom

[stable folio]

ok

[woven swallow]

Hello Duggie

[limpid crypt]

guys im new here , and i finished the knee deep in the hell , but when i play the shores of hell in easiest lvl i can’t complete it , any advices?

[median cloud]

Anyone here played Tetanus? How hard is it?

[median cloud]

Use wasd + mouse and make sure always run is on

Try to look for better weapons early on

[woven swallow]

not that hard, is like episode 2 scythe if i remember

[limpid crypt]

Me ,in the first map im cooked

[limpid crypt]

I play it on ipad

[woven swallow]

Bigmacdavis will come in clutch

[woven swallow]

the official mobile port orrr is it like a fan made one? (E.G Delta touch or GenZD)

[limpid crypt]

Official

[woven swallow]

[limpid crypt]

Was published 16y ago , its real

[woven swallow]

never said i didn't believe you....

[limpid crypt]

You laugh!

[woven swallow]

yeah because the official port is uhh.....

[limpid crypt]

Is what

[median cloud]

Was someone here who said alien vendetta was ez but tetanus was his most difficult mappack

[woven swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-shocked-letter-shocked-carta-assustado-lendo-assustado-gif-9865558537950598670

[native anchor]

Chocolate Doom.

[hearty gorge]

nugget doom

[woven swallow]

Yooo underrated

[hearty gorge]

nugget doom's great

i would even say it's better than dsda but that's just me lol

[woven swallow]

It has features like extra gibbing, more customizable hud, hell even partial id24 support so you could play legacy of rust on it too as well

And if I'm not mistaken it supports pk3s as well like voxel doom for example

[hearty gorge]

those are some of the reasons why i moved to it

and also i can't forget about the brightmaps

[paper yoke]

belch

[woven swallow]

I am making a video essay about woof and its other forks, definitely will go much further in depth there

[paper yoke]

Does it include a seaons pass and microtransactions?

[hearty gorge]

it's so peak it doesn't need that frfr

[woven swallow]

No and no...

This is not COD mate 💀

[paper yoke]

My mistake bro, I thought it was fort

[coarse horizon]

How does one carry the og bfg 9000?

[twin mortar]

Wdym?

[coarse horizon]

Like how do you carry it when you go to fire the weapon?

[twin mortar]

You mean like, where Doomguy has to place his hands to hold it...?

[coarse horizon]

** Y E S **

:3

[twin mortar]

One hand on the bottom to support the structure and the other gripping the handle

[ripe cloak]

Probably how he does with the new BFG

[twin mortar]

Like in Quake II and RAGE 2

[ripe cloak]

What AnomeQ said

[coarse horizon]

Hmm

Would it be cool if you could recreate all of the ultimate doom maps by a doom64 mod

[ripe cloak]

Wdym

DOOM 64 maps i ndoom 1 or DOOM 1 maps in DOOM 64

[twin mortar]

The latter

[ripe cloak]

Theres a mod for that afaik

I don't remember the name of it but there was a mod that converted DOOM 1/2 into the DOOM 64 art and atmosphere

[twin mortar]

Well for the atmosphere part, there's PSX DOOM

[teal dock]

I'm playing doom on the thumby

[true urchin]

chat i fucked up while switching os and lost all my doom files, i need some map suggestions bc all the ones i had saved were in there

[true urchin]

i like to imagine doomguy holds it like a pizza box

[thorny nest]

Truly, the greatest handheld. The nintendo switch could only dream of being as amazing

[teal dock]

The Nintendo shit

[teal dock]

Uncle Jeff is it true that the Nintendo switch is the worst console ever

[thorny nest]

Nah, it’s a pretty cool console

[teal dock]

The thumby right

[thorny nest]

Bro what’s your problem with the switch?

[true urchin]

wtf is a thumby

[ocean mist]

https://tenor.com/view/revenant-doom-doom2-springtrap-fnaf-gif-22081016

i love this dumbass doom gif

[south ocean]

hate to sound like a dick but is it still respectable to play on ultra violence? i really got sick of the respawning demons

i played like 9 maps in doom 2 and 3 in doom 1 on nightmare and i just dont enjoy the challenge

i know i didnt get far but its just my opinion

[mellow matrix]

No one cares what difficulty you play on. Choose the one that's most fun or provides you with the level of challenge you're looking for.

[ripe cloak]

Ultraviolence is alright

Nightmare was only added as a gag, most people (afaik) consider "Ultra-Violence" the true hardest difficulty and Nightmare an additional addon

[torpid yacht]

UV is respectable
Nightmare is insane

[woven swallow]

Ultra Violence is default difficulty, there is no shame in playing that

[little oar]

Hurt Me Plenty is the default difficulty*
Ultra-Violence has always been DOOM's equivalent to hard mode

[little oar]

Also yeah, UV is fine.
Like cat said, Nightmare in the classic DOOM games was a joke difficulty more than anything. They didn't test or even think it was beatable when they sent the update out, it was there to poke fun at the emails/letters they got telling them that Ultra-Violence was too easy

[bitter shoal]

Most custom maps are designed around UV (because they still have to make the maps beatable so it makes sense to test for that mode). Nightmare is a joke difficulty and most that want to play a wad beyond what the author intended to be the peak difficulty usually uses the -fast monsters setting AFAIK.

[dusk lichen]

Hi

[woven swallow]

hello

[dusk lichen]

Hi

By any chance do you play blocks fruits?

[woven swallow]

no

i have no idea what that even is, sorry

[bitter shoal]

OH

I think that's probably a Roblox game. I only know this because of a weird meme

[twin mortar]

Based in retrospect

I love how it feels like an endurance test rather than an actual thing to complete

[median cloud]

I like how it promotes fast play, uv-fast actually promotes very passive play instead

[woven swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-wrong-not-right-gif-14695153867752834726

okay actually tho, you are indeed correct

[median cloud]

I think Alien Vendetta map 10 "Toxic Touch" might be my favorite Doom map of all time

Unmatched in terms of atmosphere

[torpid yacht]

Its ok, kinda lame
I prefer the pyramid n demonic hordes

[torpid yacht]

UV is the default
Anything less is easy mode /less monsters
Hard is nightmare

[little oar]

The game cursor defaults to being on HMP, UV has never been the default setting

There wasn't even a Nightmare mode at launch, it was added later
"Normal" is not the highest difficulty if UV is the default

Maybe for fan wads UV is the default but they weren't talking about those, they were specifically talking about vanilla DOOM 1/2

[torpid yacht]

Wads are a new thing for me for a few years 🥲

[mellow matrix]

Even then not every PWAD is meant for blind UV. Scythe 2 and Sunlust are two of the most popular wads out there and they both recommend starting with HMP in the text file.

[median cloud]

damn guess tastes differ

Think atmosphere wise it's great

combat is pretty barebones and it isn't a hard map

but the midi + map layout and general feeling is incredible

Every port ever has HMP as default skill level that you need to manually set to UV

HMP is the default skill and always has been

Mappers and speedrunners use UV for almost everything however

[median cloud]

pyramid one (map 20) is also fantastic

Demonic hordes is too long imo

[halcyon willow]

UV is not the default. Stop talking garbage

Here's two of the greatest doom mappers in history

[woven swallow]

Nah, nightmare is insane...

[woven swallow]

I did not know that me joking about Uv being the default difficulty would've created this to happen....

[halcyon willow]

One of the most annoying sub sets of the doom community is the "UV is the real way to play" crowd. Absolute brain dead opinion

[twin mortar]

That's a very fine and valid stance actually

It's pushing that belief onto others and acting like they're below them for not playing on UV that is toxic

[halcyon willow]

It is not. The real way to play is whatever you enjoy

[twin mortar]

Which is in their case UV...

[halcyon willow]

Yes

[twin mortar]

We're making the same point here ^

[halcyon willow]

Probably lol

When I released Bastion of Chaos I tried to make it as clear as possible what difficulty people were most likely to enjoy

[smoky radish]

Anyone have any tips of tricks for getting the platinum trophy for doom 1

Specifically the trophy "I'm the man"

[median cloud]

Tbh I dont think I ever play on hmp or lower

I did at first ofc but once I beat any doom on uv it became my default

Nothing bad about enjoying other difficulties

[woven swallow]

The one time I played on hmp is that time I played Magnolia...

[halcyon willow]

Magnolia is built different

Not my cup of tea style wise, but an incredible mapset

I'm more of a macro slaughter enjoyer. Sunder style

That's also what I like making

[median cloud]

Just finished combat shock myself

Feels very sunder like

Probably playing c shock 2 next

[halcyon willow]

Yeah combat shock is like a Sunder precursor

Good stuff

Deus Vult was a massive influence on Sunder, and remains one of my all time favorite maps

[median cloud]

Not ready to max that one haha too long

[halcyon willow]

I don't try to max anything

She is thicc though

[median cloud]

I think Ill go sunder after combat shock 2

Old one atleast

[halcyon willow]

It's good

Just be prepared for 6 hour long maps lol

Although that's more the new Sunder

[torpid yacht]

For me its just another sewer level

[torpid yacht]

It is for me

[torpid yacht]

Nightmare is ok in some maps

[median cloud]

Yeah im not doing those haha

[median cloud]

A GOOD sewer level heh

[torpid yacht]

I guess.. idk, dont remeber much it felt like any other map for me didnt find anything unique or memorable

[median cloud]

Guess ur just weird then lol

Its a pretty universally loved map

Maybe its a bit dated now but I dont feel like it is

[torpid yacht]

Just being honest, that map didnt felt unique/that good to me

[median cloud]

I think its more atmosphere focussed for sure if your qualities for a good map lie in combat it probably wont entice you as much

Or maybe u play with music off as well

Then again Im not here to force you to like stuff so

[torpid yacht]

It's true, I'd rather have good gameplay over structure or music lvl.

[orchid fox]

[ripe cloak]

just found a really good hour megamap that ended in a slaughter arena and very little health

'tis a tragedy

[native marten]

Stupid species names are Vampyroteuthis infernalis,Bony-eared assfish,fried egg jellyfish

[gaunt gate]

Just finished knee deep in the dead

Amazing
Straight fire

[astral cliff]

What’s the best classic doom emulator?

[hearty gorge]

emulator? you mean sourceport?

or like DOS doom emulator?

[astral cliff]

Yes like this

[hearty gorge]

you have the DOSBOX emulator

closest thing to the og, even the kex port comes with it on pc

as a secondary option ofc

[desert tinsel]

Best source port depends on what you’re looking for with your Doom experience. Most popular is definitely UZDoom. You can find more information here: https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Source_port

I personally love Odamex

[median cloud]

Depends on what you want to achieve.
If you want a source port that can do everything you can go UZdoom
If you're speedrun focussed you can go for dsda-doom or Woof
If you want a classic experience you go for Crispy Doom

For multiplayer you either go Zandronum if you want to be able to play mods, if you want classic multiplayer you go odamex

tl;dr UZdoom is probably the safest pick

[woven swallow]

crispy doom (russian doom, inter doom, etc) if you want a pretty pure vanilla-ish doom experience

dsda doom (woof, nugget, cherry, nyan, etc) if you want vanilla doom but with modern features and better engine support for custom wads and mods

uzdoom if you don’t really care about the original vanilla experience and just want to play casually or try crazy/extreme mods

[astral cliff]

I think I’ll go crispy because I’m really looking for vanilla

[hearty gorge]

just a little warning if you're going to play custom maps you need to know this, nor crispy and chocolate doom support boom wads, which is a big half of the wads out there. but that's if you're going to dive in the custom wads. for the vanilla iwads it's great tho. yes, there are non-boom compatible wads out there but as far as i know, there's a lot fewer wads like that i think.

[livid light]

if you want the most vanilla like possible then chocolates your best bet

[median cloud]

This is true however I want to add to this that crispy can achieve the same feeling as chocolate doom without the annoying drawbacks

[livid light]

i havent tried crispy a lot so i cant say much but ive heard it does a good job as well if you want a few qol features

[woven swallow]

Recommend using woof!

[desert tinsel]

Woof is great

[median cloud]

Yeah it shows secrets found and level stats

[desert tinsel]

getting a game of gothicdm going on odamex in 30 minutes if anyone wants to join. Its just casual doom 2 deathmatch of course

[tight laurel]

anybody have any slaughter maps that are begginer friendly

[woven swallow]

micro slaughter is good

[gloomy scarab]

I'm just hoping Doom + Doom II will be updated again

[woven swallow]

speed of doom too

[ripe cloak]

LOR2

[sharp wyvern]

i would do anything for lor2

[median cloud]

Alien vendetta map 14 got hands

[mellow matrix]

the invuln archvile fight tho 😍

[median cloud]

Thats map 13 :p

[gloomy scarab]

I was thinking something more like blood color changes, like this mod on ModDB

https://www.moddb.com/mods/colored-blood-fix-for-zdoom

[median cloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL95gXVLiSM

Actually crazy how the entirety of scythe can be finished under 10 mins

[bitter shoal]

it helps that it has short levels and there are out of bounds clips

[viral merlin]

Hola, estaba buscando ayuda con el logro "Not so Bad" de DOOM 1993 (ps4) , el logro trata de completar los primeros 3 capitulos en coop y en dificultad pesadilla

[winged bobcat]

doom

[crystal hill]

Some of the levels are shorter than doom 1 levels, it kinda makes sense

Fire and Ice can also be finished in a few secs without 100%

[wintry copper]

yeah it definitely helps ||that it's not an Icon of Sin level||

[bitter shoal]

The part that helps is that you can skip most of it with abusing how the key gates are staggered. If you had to actually do the whole level it would be longer than most Icon of Sin levels.

[urban trench]

I'm stuck at Sunlust MAP11: Cave Culture. Not sure if I'm up to the challenge.

[median cloud]

Dont force it

[median cloud]

Ya I finished scythe 1 as well and it was p short

Doing alien vendetta in tandem with combat shock 2 now

[crystal hill]

Man, you really like pain, dontcha?

[median cloud]

Combat shock is honestly not that hard atm

Finished the first one

[crystal hill]

I played through I think 2, got to map 5 or so and quit

[median cloud]

Think thats a big one

I finished 04 of combat shock 1 and it took about 50 mins

But I swear Scythe 2 was harder for me

[crystal hill]

I'm not good or patient enough to beat really hard mapsets like combat shock

I don't want to get angry and hate myself when playing doom

[urban trench]

Yeah, switched to Scythe.

[median cloud]

Latter scythe can get harder as well but its less excessive

[median cloud]

Its not that hard but very long

Most of the fights are puzzles in a way

[crystal hill]

Long is generally equivalent to hard in my book

There are exceptions, but they're just that

[native anchor]

What sourceport what do you all prefer?

My pick is Chocolate Doom because it's the only one I have installed right now on Linux Mint.

[livid light]

i use uzdoom for the fancy stuff and woof! for everything else

woof is more closer to actual doom but uzdoom has more modding stuff like zscript

[urban trench]

gzdoom here.

[gentle carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-grimes-twd-rick-grimes-dance-gif-8918224923257704013

[glossy surge]

Good

[torpid yacht]

Use saves

[glass bone]

Is the correct ultimate doom builder download the github one?

[wraith flower]

https://tenor.com/view/another-easy-steal-steal-gif-gif-steal-gif-gets-stolem-gif-7935542554022949277

[livid light]

if it ends in github.io it is, but i forgot the domain name

[long isle]

Hey everybody, I'm Petros K. I'm passionate about playing classic DOOM. I enjoy demonic demon hunting, and I sometimes upload my level playthroughs on YouTube

[glass bone]

I believe thats it

Ill check again in a bit im on morrowind

[glass bone]

Yes its github.io

Downloaded it, how exactly does this work? Says i need to have resources or something along those lines

[livid light]

resources are your source port and game iwads, for example in uzdoom udmf format youd need to add your uzdoom pk3 and doom2 iwad

[native anchor]

IDK why, but I really want to play Doom 64 using a controller, or even get it on Switch 2. The game was originally released on N64 (As the name implies), so playing on a controller feels like a more faithful way to experience Doom 64.

[little oar]

If you really want authenticity, you can actually buy wireless bluetooth n64 controllers straight from nintendo now

[native anchor]

That requires NSO though, so not really worth it for a lot of people.

[little oar]

Ah damn

[native anchor]

There is a better alternative, the 8BitDo 64.

It's a similar design as 8BitDo's Ultimate 2, but has the same buttons you'd expect on the N64 controller.

And it also works with the Analogue 3D.

[native anchor]

No Rest for the Living feels kind of like Doom II’s version of Thy Flesh Consumed.

[brisk crypt]

Does anyone know of a way to play the Live Through Doom mod COOP?

[sharp wyvern]

except way better

[median cloud]

Good comparison, since NRFTL is a bit harder than regular Doom 2

I think it's a really good mappack

[crystal hill]

UZDoom for everything, except the wads that require different source ports

I know its not too accurate to the original game, but I'm too used to it and how it works to switch to anything else long term

[crystal hill]

There should be guides on co op dooming online

If thats a gzdoom mod, you should use the appropriate guide

[woven swallow]

all of the above

[native anchor]

I mean. Thy Flesh Consumed is a bit unbalanced.

[sharp wyvern]

Yeah I don’t like TFC

But NRFTL is better than Doom II

[crystal hill]

Pound for pound, for sure

Its a lot better designed

[sharp wyvern]

TFC I would like more if the difficulty curve didn’t go down as you played lol

[crystal hill]

Yeah, its quite odd

Minus that romero level near the end, TFC is kind of done after the first 2 levels

[ripe cloak]

NRFTL is genuinely the best official doom expansion

Top tier maps, challenging but not unfair enemy placements (ignore vivisection), the bossiest isn’t another icon but a Cyberdemon in an actually challenging arena

[native anchor]

To me, the difficulty curved isn’t always going down. E4M6 is definitely the hardest outside of the first 2 levels.

Especially on pistol start.

[median cloud]

Vivisection becomes a lot easier once you know the secret at the start

[median cloud]

I think E4M6 is a bit of an exception. All the other maps are definitely easier, E4M4 for example is really easy

[ripe cloak]

The chainsaw secret?

[median cloud]

I think you can just open the outside part during the start of the map

It was smth like that

[ripe cloak]

Oh yeah i found that

It gives you a berserk though it’s still hell

You won’t even have a BFG by the way because the first BFG is in Map06

[native anchor]

“Is the KexEngine truly definitive?” is the question most people ask. But they never realize “definitive” is hyper subjective.

It all boils down to what you value in Doom 1 and Doom 2.

[twin mortar]

It's not definitive but it's very close to being

[gloomy scarab]

The healthkits in Doom + Doom 2 have their crosses colored green cuz it's literally a war crime in the Geneva Conventions to use the Red Cross symbol improperly, say like, in a video game.

So if you use a mod that turns the medkit crosses red, that literally makes you as bad as Doomguy's commanding officer

[ripe cloak]

Using a very popular color for a very general symbol is equivalent to ordering multiple innocent civilians to be executed

[gloomy scarab]

Yeah, I always found that kinda odd, I just wish Bethesda and id would have at least gotten permission

[twin mortar]

W-will you let us commit what you have registered as a war crime? 👉 👈

[ripe cloak]

I could be wrong cuz I’m not a copyright lawyer but Geneva is kind of off their shit with that

A simple red cross seems way too broad to copyright

[gloomy scarab]

Exactly

[ripe cloak]

I imagine most people just change it because it’s very easy and they don’t wanna go to court

[gloomy scarab]

And I always wondered what was up with the general, why he would order something so extreme

[stray yacht]

Copyright in general is stupid

[gloomy scarab]

Maybe he's one of those mad war criminal generals who goes by the name of "General Bloodlust" or something like that

[ripe cloak]

Well no I think it’s a little strict but copyright itself isn’t bad

[ripe cloak]

I heard Doom 3 suggests that the military has been bought out by corporations, so doomguy was ordered it for a corporation

And the civilians were protestors

[gloomy scarab]

I still like to think he has a sort of "mad dog" vibe to him, and is sadistic and bloodthirsty

[stray yacht]

Humanity lived thousands of years without it, why we need them now? Other than making the rich richer

[livid light]

if there was no copyright basically everything could (and would) be stolen

[ripe cloak]

Personally i wouldnt want people making money off of my creative work

[twin mortar]

Well for those thousands of years do you think they had such broad entertainment to copyright in the first place

[ripe cloak]

it gets abused way too much imo but the concept itself is fine

Even then just set whatever you make to have commercial use copyright

[stray yacht]

copying files from one place to the other is not theft

[ripe cloak]

That is way to broad to be argued

[livid light]

if there was no copyright i could just take doom, rename it to wood and id software couldnt do anything about it
it would be legal, but very scummy

[ripe cloak]

yeah

[gloomy scarab]

Another thing I'd like to be changed is the censorship in the Wolfenstein level, they should at least give us an option to turn it off

[stray yacht]

nobody does that with copyright free stuff we already have

[ripe cloak]

Survivorship bias

[gloomy scarab]

Then it would be a game about a lumberjack chopping down trees instead of a marine killing demons

[ripe cloak]

The thing is you can’t really have no copyright without allowing outright theft

[livid light]

it still happens, if not the concept of stealing or copyright wouldnt exist

cause people wanna protect their projects

thats why stuff like the cc-by licenses exist for public projects, you still need to give credit

[twin mortar]

So weird they have the censorship for KEX while the 360 port had none

[livid light]

[native anchor]

The BFG Edition completely removed the decorations instead of altering them.

And it also changed the med-kit crosses to a pill icon.

[twin mortar]

I prefer the pills

As in to the green crosses

[native anchor]

Regardless, BFG Edition still has some other issues. The Super Shotgun sound is very low pitched because the sounds are playing at 11 kHz as opposed to 22 kHz.

On the subject of sound, pitch randomizer is permanently on too, I cannot handle that.

[upper crypt]

The SSG reload sound is so satisfying

[native anchor]

There’s also no cheats in BFG Edition. And Nightmare difficulty has no fast monsters.

[twin mortar]

Makes it a lot more tolerable

[native anchor]

But that kills the purpose of Nightmare. Id made it as an unfair difficulty because people wished there was an extremely hard difficulty mode.

[twin mortar]

I'm aware yeah and I do wish you could still play the original Nightmare in these versions

But I find BFG Nightmare to be a lot more possible to beat as a difficulty rather than as an endurance test, like the original Nightmare is

[native anchor]

Is Doom 64’s KexEngine port closer to Chocolate Doom?

Chocolate Doom 64 if you will.

[glass bone]

Mm, so doom + doom 2 isnt compatible?

[glass bone]

Its good

[livid light]

i dont know how to setup kex port for udb but i think it has boom and mbf21 compatibility

kex also uses new json files in your wad, like gameconf to set your iwad or demoloop to make custom, well, demo loops

[glass bone]

I see

[sharp wyvern]

Legacy of Rust sweeps sorry

[ripe cloak]

I don’t count LOR because it adds unique item and enemies and therefore can’t be compared

But imo some of the maps get too difficult and monster-spammy for my liking

[sharp wyvern]

technically still an expansion tho

[sharp wyvern]

E1M6 is a bit much yea

[twin mortar]

You guys are forgetting about Thy Flesh Consumed

Or if we are to extend it to the modern games, TAG 1 is the best imo under the category of how much it improves on the base campaign

But since this is the classic DOOM channel I assume just the originals, so UDOOM it is for me

[ripe cloak]

Thy Flesh Consumed is

horribly mid

Its map quality is absolutely not to par with NRFTL

[median cloud]

I think Doom 1 has aged badly as a whole

E1 is pretty solid but the rest are meh. They have some gems in them but also a lot of stinkers

I actually think Doom 2 might have aged better

[ripe cloak]

DOOM 2 has worse maps and some of the enemies can be really overpowered Cough cough REVENANT Cough cough

it did introduce some iconic things though so I can't hate it

[median cloud]

I think the doom 2 monster cast is needed. Doom 1 mainly had hitscan and 1 type of straight projectiles. Combat scenarios with that cast are so limited

Doom 2 added homing missiles, spread shots with the mancubus, constant shooting with the arachnotrons, a spawner and a monster that can revive

[bitter shoal]

Revenant are like, the perfect enemy.

especially since they filled in a much needed gap in HP for enemy types

[sharp wyvern]

i lowk like LoR more than TAG 1

[sharp wyvern]

I disagree heavily

D1 has aged so much better than D2

[bitter shoal]

Revenants also tend to work really well for DOOM 2 maps that want to play like DOOM 1, because they have the right amount of HP to where they can be engaging shotgun fights

[sharp wyvern]

I used to think they were kind of "meh" when I played D2 because the levels don't really utilise them very well (I didn't even realise they had homing until like right near the end)

But Plutonia uses them so well they're now one of my faves

Which is also why I like Plutonia more than D2 it feels like it's braver and gets more worth out of the enemy roster because of that

[bitter shoal]

well yeah, Plutonia shown the true potential of DOOM 2

[median cloud]

D1 just has some maps I absolutely hate

[hearty gorge]

still, the maps in doom 2 are very confusing at times and look ugly and unfinished compared to doom 1's

yes doom 1 has confusing levels

but it's not like doom 2 imo

it comes with rushing a game

[sharp wyvern]

this is how i feel about Doom 2 😭

[median cloud]

Idk I think Doom 1 is way more confusing

E2M6 is a labyrinth on first playthrough (even tho I love that map now)

Unholy cathedral is horrible and confusing as well

In d2 I only find the citadel really confusing

[hearty gorge]

unholy cathedral is horrible

you're right

[ripe cloak]

Their attack is waaay to op

20-80 damage rockets

Plus their rockets can hone in and they’re pretty tight

[hearty gorge]

revenants are very situational imo, i think that could be said about every doom 2 enemy

you can't just put a revenant, you need the revenant to make sense to be where he is, that's how i think atleast

[bitter shoal]

I'm of the opposite opinion, there actually aren't a lot of situations where a revenant is a bad enemy IMO. Other than really manufactured rocks fall you die sort of things

[median cloud]

I also think revs are almost always a small challenge

[sharp wyvern]

doom 2 gives you a crazy amount of room at least

[ripe cloak]

Yeah thats true, COUGH COUGH PLUTONIA COUGH COUGH

[mellow matrix]

Revs really are a perfect enemy. They're an archetypal glass cannon and have that extra bit of depth that makes them a blast to engage with. Rockets have a 50% chance of homing, they're faster than everything else, and they have the unique ability to be baited into their melee.
The Mancubus is my personal favorite demon but Revs are pretty clearly the best designed.

[desert tinsel]

Monday Night Horde is starting on Odamex if anyone wants to join the lobby and play :)

[sharp wyvern]

plutonia my beloved

[native anchor]

The only Doom 2 map I dislike is Barrels O Fun. Pistol starting this level is somehow more painful than E4M1.

[sharp wyvern]

Barrels O Fun is my least favourite of 2 too yea

[native anchor]

The Caverns is also a close second. Without the secret at the beginning, this level would be flatout impossible on pistol start.

[smoky radish]

If anyone has doom 1 + 2 wanna play multiplayer?

[median cloud]

It's a hard map to pistol start, the hardest map in Doom 2 for sure