classic-doom

[modern peak]

doom 64 pain elementals are horrifying

[uneven tangle]

That’s why they’re so good

[modern peak]

doesnt help that they are also significantly buffed

[lament eagle]

Is there any chance on getting a Project Brutality port onto the Switch or Switch 2, as mods? 😮‍💨Or is a man just a dreaming? 😂

[desert tinsel]

Probably never unless someone remakes the mods in dsdhacked

[lament eagle]

Thanks for the response. I guess I’ll just keep dreaming then 😂

[crystal hill]

I have no doubt Brutal Doom isn't coming to Dehacked

[halcyon willow]

Someone like Antares could pull it off, but why would you

[cinder sapphire]

never really been a fan of e1m7 of episode 1, but I liked the idea of a computer station. has anyone got any recommendations for a map that has a computer or server room theme?

[bitter shoal]

some TNT maps have that vibe. I think Speed of DOOM has a map that is completely tech theme down to the weapon pickups and enemy choices

[cinder sapphire]

tnt Im gonna play the whole thing one day and speed of doom is not my cup of tea. looking for something a bit more laid back than that, similar to the OG, or at least not at the level of Speed. thanks tho

[plush tundra]

is the new gz doom like a working thing now

[cinder sapphire]

might give e1m7 of Switchroom a try, if you've ever played that 🧐

[hollow tree]

Uzdoom worked for me, yes

Some are purple. Like @hot osprey

They come in all the best colors

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/File:Doom_RPG_Wretched.png

https://doomwiki.org/w/images/thumb/0/0b/Doom_RPG_Wretched.png/172px-Doom_RPG_Wretched.png

Grr it won't imbed

[bitter shoal]

Cacodemon: Tomato
Pain Elemental: Meatball
Wretched: Blueberry

[mortal gyro]

I found out I could run doom on my meta quest using sideloading methods, some mods don't work but others work flawlessly

What kinda frustrates me is getting killed by certain enemies in the brutal doom mod, mainly pinkies and former soldiers triggers a crash

[torpid yacht]

Its red, nothing beats that

[oak adder]

almost done with evilution

thank goodness

id rather deal with a cacodemon than a pain elemental

[torpid yacht]

I finished TNT Revilution a couple days ago and its so much better. Give it a try someday

[crystal hill]

Yeah, map 31. Its great

The music is also great. Stuart Rynn knows how to complete a good track

[crystal hill]

I'm three maps in so far, and its fine. Nothing amazing

[median cloud]

Well tbf most mappacks don't exactly have incredible map 01 - 03 aha

Can't name many where I was wow'd at map 3

[crystal hill]

TNT Map 1 is my favourite classic Doom opener

Going Down and Auger Zenith both have great opening trios of maps (though Crawl Space in the former drags the other two down a bit)

[median cloud]

Same but I think TNTR's Map 1 is better

[crystal hill]

I don't

It's good as well, but it's more confusing and drawn out

TNT Map 1 works well if you're playing normally or if you go hyper offence on it

[median cloud]

Tbf I need to refresh my knowledge on TNTR maps since I can't remember half of them

[crystal hill]

lol

I remember two or so of the better ones, and that I didn't like Steve Duff maps.

I was right about at least one Steve Duff map being kind of crap

[bitter shoal]

PRCP2 had pretty good opening maps

[crystal hill]

I'd say Plut 2 has good ones as well

The first impression is the most important. The first few maps are the ones people are most likely to play

[median cloud]

Never played it

[median cloud]

I mean I agree that there are good early maps but I personally felt like tntrs were also of that caliber

Currently at map 29 of TNTD and way less of a fan of this pack

[crystal hill]

Again, they aren't bad so far. Just fine

I thought higher of this wad in the past

[median cloud]

Well you’re only at 03….

[crystal hill]

4

It can recover from this, sure

[median cloud]

IIrc map 8 is pretty good

[crystal hill]

I'm up to map 7 now. Minus map 4 really frustrating me, it's all been solid so far

also not memorable in the slightst, but hey

Map 8 - chaingun in front of me, and a ton of zombiemen

Now THIS is a TNT level, lol'

[median cloud]

its blazing and pretty fun iirc

[crystal hill]

I'll get to it in a second, I'm playing Lillith.pk3 alongside it

it's really unnerving, to say the least

[torpid yacht]

Its fine from start to finish.

Other wads I played were boring halfway and was inconsistent

[median cloud]

@crystal hill do you play with the built in lost souls limit?

TNTD Map 29 was a banger btw

[crystal hill]

oh yeah, this ranks leagues above most of what I've played on my cacowards pilgrimage

[crystal hill]

nope, never. I want to take the benefits of playing in UZDoom with the negatives. This is one of the negatives

[main ibex]

I thought the lost soul limit was for hardware reasons, not for balance

[median cloud]

It was but it definitely adds balance

[crystal hill]

yeah, it is real fun

I was thinking "I wish there were more explosive barrels" halfway through. The level fixed that very shortly afterward, lol

[main ibex]

I'm putting 4 pain elementals in one room of my map solely to piss you off

[crystal hill]

yeah. Some pain elemental encounters are just free with it on. The Pit is the most well known example

[median cloud]

Yeah so Im not sure what the exact rules are surrounding these complevels

Like do you play mappacks like sunder with it off/on?

What about older packs like alien vendetta

[crystal hill]

That's why I play everything the same way. Mostly

Unless a wad makes me turn on mouse look and jumping, I leave those off. But those're the only changes I make between wads

I don't speedrun or submit demos anywhere, I just play for the love of the game

[sick canopy]

What's your favorite console port of the OG Doom? Mine are the PS1 and SNES ports

[mortal gyro]

I like doom 64, it's ok
I usually play different music in the background because I prefer listening to metal
I appreciate what the new composer did but it doesn't hit the same way as hearing guitar riffs as you're destroying demons

[woven swallow]

Ps1

[limber mirage]

I almost wouldn’t count psx as the same game

It changes too much and is more or less kinda its own game at that point

I would say my favorite unique port is the gba one. Handheld doom back in the day is cool

Doom64 is also definitley not a port of the original game

It’s a separate game entirely

[crystal hill]

Doom 64 is in no way the same game

Doom PSX you could count as well. It does have new levels, changes a few of them as well, right?

[limber mirage]

Also different music,different lighting it’s a mix of doom 1/2 introduces doom 2 monsters into doom 1 and some level design changes

For instance Pain elemental in hanger

[crystal hill]

dammit, now I really want to play it. See exactly what's changed

[limber mirage]

If you can, I suggest playing it through Psydoom on pc

[crystal hill]

surprised that never won anything at the cacowards

[limber mirage]

The reasoning is on ps1 the lighting sometimes is a little whack, and it’s pushed to its limits so it has frame dips.
Through psydoom it has a smooth gameplay lightning is properly applied in all rooms etc

I need to finish my playthrough on my steamdeck but it’s my favorite way to play doom1/2

Just feels right

[crystal hill]

can you use the Doom 1/2 IWADs, or do you need the PSX doom one/s?

[limber mirage]

It uses the psx cue and bin

But there is a way to play free ( and legal) levels made for psydoom that are new for it

I have a friend who has the website I’ll see if he can bring it up

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/101161-gec-master-edition-psx-doom-for-the-playstation-tools-and-projects-v5-06052025/

A collection of made levels and like other fun stuff for psydoom

I def suggest checking it out

[crystal hill]

maybe in 2031 when I play through all these cacoward wads

[limber mirage]

XD

Fair

[crystal hill]

well, 2027ish, more like

I'm making good time

[calm lichen]

Just play them all at once

Like all of them at the same time

[limber mirage]

Yes

[median cloud]

PS1 and gba

[oak adder]

maybe

[median cloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf4fGJhx7n8

What is the I'm a doom-god skill level?

[crystal hill]

Ultra Violence

Decino's a heathen, he doesn't like Alien Vendetta

[median cloud]

why does he call it I'm a doom-god?

[median cloud]

haha yeah Ive heard, map 10 and map 20 of AV are perfection tho

and some others

[crystal hill]

AV has custom names for difficulty, for some reason

[median cloud]

ahhhh

[mellow vessel]

[bitter shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/god-say-yes-yes-gif-25729807

[median cloud]

Okay I just beat TNT2 Devilution. Map 30 was special and fighting 2 cyberdemons at the same time proves harder than you'd think

Overall I'd say worse than TNT Revilution. It had some good maps and some real stinkers

[bitter shoal]

2 Cyberdemons are actually quite nasty with a complex environment

Cyberdemons are also ery big so their pathing against other large hitboxes can sometimes lead them to accidentally use flanking tactics

or if not that, ungrouping

[torpid yacht]

Tbh it wasnt that hard but it was fun

[median cloud]

Which one?

[torpid yacht]

Demonic hordes

[torpid yacht]

For the most part, I dont like it but theres some gems.

[median cloud]

Yeah I found it doable as well

It took me a couple of tries but I think I needed more for stench of evil

Its probably the hardest map in AV tho

[crystal hill]

It has some lows, but a lot more highs

it's the only classic megawad I really enjoy, minus Plutonia

I think I would enjoy/be affected by lillith.pk3 more if I was worse at the game. This is the first time I'm feeling this way, at least knowingly

my instincts/skills at Doom are good enough that I can shoot myself out of any scary enemy related situation in that wad. It's quite accessible to the average player... minus the supremely fucked up visuals

[hot osprey]

#artwork message

[crystal hill]

hardly anyone thinks of differently coloured cacodemons when told to imagine a caco

[median cloud]

Did you like scythe 2 or nah?

[crystal hill]

I enjoy it well enough, but I never got into it

the difficulty curve is a lot more punishing than Scythe 1's, and I don't enjoy that. I don't like the maps enough to suck it up and play through the harder ones

if you asked me what I think the most overrated Doom wad of all time is... Scythe II wouldn't be number 1 (that might be Hell Revealed 1 or especially 2), but it'd make the shortlist

[median cloud]

I dont think hr1 or hr2 are overrated think they might be overplayed but people dont rate them highly
I do like hr1 and the charm it has

Scythe 2 on the other hand is definitely highly rated, but yeah the maps from 23 are ballbusters.

I still think its a fantastic wad tho.

[crystal hill]

have a look at this https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/109654-⬆️-doomworld-community-top-wads-of-all-time-resurrected/

according to votes from the community, Hell Revealed 1 is at Number 13. Hell Revealed 2 is at 18

They're both above such wads as Plutonia, Auger Zenith (!!!), Sigil, Community Chest 4 and Hellbound, to name a few

Hell Revealed 1 is only 2 positions behind Plutonia 2, which is a travesty in my eyes

[crystal hill]

In terms of ratings, I think Scythe 2 is on the whole good, HR1 starts decent but quickly spirals into BS, and HR2 immediately goes into the BS

[median cloud]

I prefer hr1 over hr2 for sure

But yeah this ranking is more on reputation than quality

[median cloud]

Yeah barons shooting is dumb and hr1 has some horrible maps
Also some bangers

[crystal hill]

Somewhat. I agree with some spots more than others

Ancient Aliens is a wad I've grown a lot fonder of on my recent replay, but its still no Going Down, thats for sure. Or even Auger Zenith

[desert tinsel]

Got a game of doom 2 deathmatch going on odamex.net if anyone wants to hop in

[hollow tree]

Is that cacoist?

I like all the caco colors

[crystal hill]

Red's a nice, distinct colour

No risk of blending into the background

[hollow tree]

Yes red is a good color too.

[finite crag]

No, orange is a better color

[winged chasm]

What is the best doom port for consoles?

[sharp veldt]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/150065-purgatory-34-level-megawad-inspired-by-psx-doom-doom-64-gzdoom/

[woven swallow]

doom+doom2

[sharp veldt]

Playing this rn

[sharp veldt]

Doom + Doom 2, it's the most feature complete version available on consoles yet

tho i only used it to play Legacy of Rust

(which is awesome btw)

[winged chasm]

Thank you

[median cloud]

Hmmmm should I play through Scythe 2 again or finally give Ancient Aliens a shot it most likely deserves

I guess the answer is obvious lol

[crystal hill]

yes

Ancient Aliens is skillsaw at his best, I can't recommend it enough

I dunno if TNT Revilution has gotten better, but I'm certainly enjoying it more now than before

[median cloud]

What map are you at now?

[crystal hill]

Now on map 11

[median cloud]

Played the first 3 maps of ancient aliens in quick succession

cant lie its harder than I expected

AA seems very trap heavy and some of them seem light but are kinda nasty.

Maybe good practice so I dont panic

[crystal hill]

Yeah, that's a good mentality to have. Some of the later traps are a bit nasty

there's one in map 10 that I could only solve by running away from it

in my defence decino did the same thing, lol

[median cloud]

definitely harder than scythe 2's opening maps

[crystal hill]

Well, Scythe 2 goes easy on you early

not as easy as Scythe 1, but still easy

[median cloud]

Yeah thats true

[crystal hill]

Ancient Aliens feels like an adventure when you go through it. It's got a great atmosphere to it

[crystal hill]

@median cloud I just beat Transduction. It's still effective in it's atmosphere, but I've played too many Russian maps to consider it something too special, now

Comatose or 5till L1 Complex eat this thing for breakfast

[median cloud]

Its definitely a map that leaves a mark the most on a first run

[urban trench]

Ancien Aliens is excellent. Very difficult at times but excellent nonetheless. It tends to ||repeat the same pattern: flip switch - get trapped with enemies in an arena - beat them and unlock the arena||. It has a real story and great atmosphere.

[crystal hill]

Yeah. It helps that it stands out like a sore thumb among the rest of Revilution

[urban trench]

I should pick my next wad. Sunlust of Scythe 1?

[crystal hill]

I struggle to think of two more different wads

If you want to suffer, play Sunlust. If you want to have a really easy time that then ramps up to suffering in the last map, play Scythe

[urban trench]

I can see an overaching theme of suffering in any case.

[crystal hill]

Ehh. Scythe Map 30 is pain, but like 10 maps in Sunlust are equally if not more pain

[median cloud]

yeah up until now that seems to be the maps

[median cloud]

I thought you said you liked revilution on 2nd playthrough

[median cloud]

Sunlust is a lot harder than Scythe even harder than Scythe map 30

[crystal hill]

I didn't mean in terms of quality

[median cloud]

If I ever tackle sunlust its after Scythe 2, maybe even after early sunder

[crystal hill]

I meant in terms of what it is. The rest of these maps aren't going for the same creep factor like Transduction is

also, this here is my second playthrough

[median cloud]

yeah thats true

Map 27 does it well too imo without relying on novelty

but it might also be carried by the godlike midi

[crystal hill]

yeah, to a degree

[urban trench]

Oh yes the midi!

[twin mortar]

D64 map 11 is kicking my ass

[sharp veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663786269825826836/1464677243744813107/Purgatory_01_24_2026_22_41_49.jpg?ex=6976567b&is=697504fb&hm=60b97ac0fb07ab1a2b1847274eecfd583f52933d030245d2a6e2150921e5c55d&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663786269825826836/1464677284647538881/Purgatory_01_24_2026_22_41_58.jpg?ex=69765685&is=69750505&hm=ebc42cba6859fb06cab756fda7a3dad0a58b1be6728b2b263eafc6b9f49fca11&

[cinder sapphire]

I like the lighting of that one

[sharp veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663786269825826836/1464677328721412147/Purgatory_01_24_2026_22_43_30.jpg?ex=6976568f&is=6975050f&hm=aabfe20f823020ee0144ca999400d21f567f83411859d4fdcd666074f3085706&

purgatory did great job at replicating the PSX Doom style

[main ibex]

doom 64 called

they want their atmosphere back

[modern peak]

kinda wish doom 64 got more love

[crystal hill]

these two games were made by the same folks

[modern peak]

me when texture filtering

[strong timber]

this classic

[strong timber]

use God mode and noclip

[twin mortar]

I don't play games that way

[crystal hill]

that's not making it easier, that's removing any and all challenge

no point playing at that point

[twin mortar]

I got past it anyway. I'n playing this one without mid-level saves

[crystal hill]

I respect it

[twin mortar]

The levels aren't atrociously long like in other games so it's not as much of a blow to the nuts when I die

[crystal hill]

D64 has a lot of frustrating parts to it that made me want to save while playing it

[twin mortar]

I'm thinking of replaying the other Classic DOOM games this way but that'd kill a lot of the fun to me. Would be cool as a challenge run but in my casual playthroughs, like I said once, I don't wanna lose my progress in a century long level because I got stuck in a crack in the floor they forgot to let you out of

[crystal hill]

that's where idclip comes in handy

if the level fucks up and its not your fault, I think its fair game

[twin mortar]

That's a valid stance to have

Personally I can't really bring myself to do that and I can't really tell you why :p

I'm weird! Big news!

The shuffle minigame with the soulsphere is actually super stupid

[torpid yacht]

I'm going to play eviternity

Is it hard?

[low acorn]

Anyone got any recommendations for old doom wads

[desert tinsel]

iddm1 deathmatch on odamex starting now

all are welcome to frag

[full rivet]

gonna start Wolf3D tomorrow. probably going to be the first game i play when i wake up tmmr.

[main ibex]

idk what's going on rn but for some reason I can't send messages in general

INSTANTLY it says "failed to send message"

[full rivet]

its down rn

i think

[main ibex]

what is?

people are still talking there

[torpid yacht]

Ok I stopped at map 10 or 11

The new enemies hasn't gave me trouble but they can be annoying in close tight areas

[woven swallow]

what custom map?

[torpid yacht]

Eviternity

[woven swallow]

ohh

[tame finch]

lmao

[sharp veldt]

my favourite

[crystal hill]

Dystopia 3, Alien Vendetta, Chord 3

[median cloud]

It’s an experience

Lowkey wolf3d is harder than classic doom

(Excluding nightmare)

Also easier than Plutonia probably

[crystal hill]

the difficulty of wolf 3d comes from not falling asleep while playing

[median cloud]

Started Scythe 2 beat 5 maps of Scythe 2. Started Ancient Aliens, beat 5 maps of AA. And now I feel the urge to start Legacy Of Rust lol

[crystal hill]

gotta keep focused. Both of those are worth playing for longer

[median cloud]

Yeah for sure but I have this feeling I need to play this official pack first haha

Tho I dont have this with Sigil 2 but I dislike that pack I guess

[crystal hill]

I still havent properly played LoR, and I'm doing fine

it'll get its time in the spotlight

[median cloud]

Im in the same boat

and I might also suffer from trying to rush LoR just so I can continue the other mappacks

[crystal hill]

I'm going through the cacowards, all of them, and it's shown me a lot of really good mappacks along the way

so I'm not stressing not having played some big popular wads, like Eviternity 1 or 2, or Legacy of Rust, or even myhouse

[median cloud]

Yeah but thats different to me because they're custom

LoR does feel official

[crystal hill]

well, it is

But the Master Levels are official, and I don't respect them whatsoever

Legacy of Rust got a special mention in the cacowards, so I know I'll get to it eventually. That makes me content with not playing it now

[median cloud]

Thats true but I did finish the master levels haha

[crystal hill]

as did I. For the first time out of two

I decided a while ago to replay the official doom wads on their 25th anniversary (in terms of the cacowards), so that'll be """fun""" for the master levels

but once that second playthrough is over, I'm done with them for good. It helps that (most of them) are very short

[median cloud]

Yeah fs Im not playing master levels again

[crystal hill]

I don't recommend it. But I figured it's been a while since I've played most official doom wads, so I should get a refresher to see what I think of them after 25 years of cacowards under my belt

I worry Plutonia won't be as good as I remember it

as of now, I think its the best wad of the 90s by far (though there's not much competition). It probably still will be, but it might drop overall in comparison to everything else

[grave tiger]

How are you guys?

[crystal hill]

good, it's still the weekend, so I'm about to play more doom

[grave tiger]

It's the most entertaining thing in the universe, take advantage!

Remember, rip and tear UNTIL YOU'VE FINISHED THEM ALL!

[crystal hill]

[grave tiger]

Hey, by the way, I'm glad you're feeling well.

[crystal hill]

very kind of you

and how are you doing?

[grave tiger]

Or sorry for not replying, I'm in good spirits, my health is more or less okay

I've had neck pain

[sharp veldt]

https://youtu.be/BalWzflzHP0?si=Foc6n6ck8fmxm8KB

really elevated whole experience imo

[crystal hill]

good to hear, minus the neck pain

[grave tiger]

TRUE

[sharp veldt]

map 6 of Purgatory is a castle surrounded by water , this is some doom 64 shit and I'm all for it

[crystal hill]

isn't that the citadel from Doom 2?

[sharp veldt]

This wad

[crystal hill]

Ahh. I couldnt find it on the wiki

[crystal hill]

@median cloud I was honestly really enjoying my time in TNT Rev, thinking past me had it right to rate it so highly

but then I got to maps 16 and 17

[median cloud]

e1m3 of LoR is fun

disliked e1m2 tho

[median cloud]

I remember dying in the arch room at the end there

the puzzle is argh tho

I dont remember 17 much

[crystal hill]

spiders

lots of spiders

gets old quick

[median cloud]

Okay I beat e1m4 and e1m5 of LoR
The difficulty of e1m5 was defintiely greater than e1m4

I also preferred e1m5 over e1m4

the maps have been pretty solid exceopt for e1m2

[tame finch]

It's super good. It adds new weapons and beta demons

e1m2 can eat a bag of shit

[crystal hill]

I know about it, yeah, but I'm on a tight, self imposed schedule

[median cloud]

Yeah really

I liked all the other maps until now tho

They also look fantastic

[main ibex]

I feel like if monsters didn't respawn in nightmare mode we would have adopted that as the standard over uv

[crystal hill]

funny, that's the one I gave up on when I played the game on release

[median cloud]

Okay I beat e1m6 of LoR and I did not like this map at all

was very annoyingly difficult

Okay beat episode 1 of LoR with map 7 being difficult but more manageable

map 6 was def the hardest one

e1m3 was the most fun and e1m5 the prettiest

[sharp veldt]

get ready for e2m1

oh and don't get me started on the final levels of this expansion

I think i breezed thru whole thing on UV in like 2 days

[median cloud]

hmm yeah Ill start e2 now

I do play pistol start so thats why e1m6 was pretty tough

wouldve been very doable with ammo and weaps lol

[woven swallow]

how many sourceports you all know? tell me, there might be some sourceports that i might not heard of before

[sharp veldt]

The Coiled City is just very cruel in general

[median cloud]

yeah I can see that

bruh what is e2m1 @sharp veldt

Am I expected to punch these fire barons to death

[sharp veldt]

you're expected to overcome the odds

there should be berserk somewhere so it shouldn't be as bad

[median cloud]

Wdym not as bad

I got the berserk but punching the fire barons seems mean

Esp cuz they do area damage

[sharp veldt]

fyi i had to punch them on gamepad

[storm tapir]

You don't have to zerk punch them you can do the coward strat and leg it

[median cloud]

The elevator fucks me tho

Ig I can time it

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1376790283274162206/1465022036287160330/Screenshot_2026-01-25_230421.png?ex=69779798&is=69764618&hm=2a3a1e13d6dfd4b19615ae8e58de46b9e31db7a9b54a5ca64e2b42f825f8638f

[median cloud]

ah I found the rl lol

[sharp veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663786269825826836/1465028939834593311/Armoury_Crate_SE_01_25_2026_13_01_30.jpg?ex=69779e06&is=69764c86&hm=96de6d98f80d81130df53c52e9db9c750fddc620e269e0336abb9ccd5ea9d761&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663786269825826836/1465029023288524943/Wails_of_Insanity_-_Purgatory_01_25_2026_12_35_57.jpg?ex=69779e1a&is=69764c9a&hm=868e718c0ec012a929c0c92fe078886d9b96e90ee3860a82da1a201ee391f398&

[twin mortar]

Why da face so vertical

[sharp veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663786269825826836/1465029068993855699/The_Slipgate_-_Purgatory_01_25_2026_15_06_24.jpg?ex=69779e24&is=69764ca4&hm=f9fadb69011aa6731ca2db2908237797d365a60a6a13755ed9182da1d9918d3f&

[sharp veldt]

bro is just PSX flavoured

I'm 11 maps in and i love the mood in Purgatory

I'm yet to get to the hell levels

also surprisingly no archviles yet

[crystal hill]

thats almost a shame

[sharp veldt]

Maybe I'm too used to cruelty after playing several quite difficult WADs in a row...

after this I'll play Dead Sea Scrolls

[woven swallow]

Why the long face?

[woven swallow]

Ohhh okay

[median cloud]

These LoR maps are awful to max

[woven swallow]

Legacy of rust? They are not that bad

[median cloud]

I always seem to have to backtrack to find a monster

sometimes they dont spawn in

also dislike how the kex engine handles arch rev

[twin mortar]

DOOM 64 is flip flopping so hard between being peak and an actually insufferable dogshit experience

Some levels I leave feeling super satisfied with but then the game pulls some obnoxious shit and it's like ok man

[woven swallow]

Try playing on cherry, it partially supports id24

[crystal hill]

LoR was made specifically for the kex engine

if it doesn't work on Kex, that's a big issue

[median cloud]

It works but it counts revived kills as kills on the automap

which I dont like since now I dont know if I killed all monsters or not

[sharp veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663786269825826836/1465052193961939035/Armoury_Crate_SE_01_25_2026_16_44_38.jpg?ex=6977b3ae&is=6976622e&hm=93312e3f6cfdde103ea6d370409048752dbce93c4a8e91d13bfeb542497dc5bb&

[lofty wharf]

Hi guys

Anyone using uzdoom here?

I need some help

[median cloud]

sometimes

what u need help for?

[lofty wharf]

Well its really a silly thing but i cant help it

I have seen doom walkthroughs on youtube

In those, whenever they find a secret, it displays a msg " A secret is revealed!" in yellow color

Same for death and other messages

In my game all messages are in red color which makes them very hard to see

How to change the color of the messages?

[crystal hill]

try in hud options and messages

[median cloud]

hud options -> message options -> message colors

[lofty wharf]

Got it!

Thanks mate!

[crystal hill]

TNT Revilution Map 19 is utter hell

I feel like I'm in an endless maze where I have no fucking idea where I'm going or what I'm doing

AND THEN, at the end, you get a fuck you cyberdemon in close quarters with no BFG

[median cloud]

This e2m3 secret is fucking horrible

[median cloud]

that ending cyber is mean but the track is great

I think 19 was the toughest TNTR map for me

[crystal hill]

music track?

It's not a very notable one. Kind of generic danger

I've only heard the opening of map 20, and it already sounds more memorable. Like map 12 transduction, one of the few TNT R maps I actually remembered from my first playthrough

[crystal hill]

if you can actually navigate it properly, it's ok. Short enough that retrying isnt the end of the world

minus that ending cyberdemon, I had over 120 health and a megarmour and I was on single digit health at the end

[median cloud]

Why can everyone on youtube make this fucking jump except me lol

I think Ive tried like 20 times by now to do a strafe run jump in e2m3 but I cant pull it off

k I rq LoR

fuck platforming

[crystal hill]

Maybe they're using SR50?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdKCHleQ07A

I usually move with WASD, but I have the keys necessary for SR50 bound to my arrow keys, for the rare times I need them for a bit of extra speed

[median cloud]

So is it just using W + strafeon key + turn mouse in direction?

[crystal hill]

I think so. I dont quite understand it myself

Best way to test it is to use it and try and get over that gap

[median cloud]

I still cant make it lol

crazy

Idk how he does it on his second try

[crystal hill]

I feel like it has to be sr50

Takes a bit to master it

[pine violet]

Probably a silly idea but I think it would've been a neat addition to the kex port if during the credits for Doom 2 (or Plutonia experiment) you'd see the Mother demon from Doom 64 (albeit partially obscured) going around maps from Doom 1 and resurrecting dead enemies, showing their names after they're resurrected

[uneven tangle]

Kinda like the tech demos on the title screen?

That would be cool as Hell though.

[pine violet]

sure was thinking it'd be rendered in engine somehow

[pine violet]

also glad I'm not the only one who thinks it'd be interesting

[uneven tangle]

Which artstyle would it be in?

I would think 64’s artstyle because it already has all the demons required for 64.

But if it’s the 1993 maps then it’d probably be the 1993 artstyle.

Getting the Mother Demon to work might just require reskinning an archvile.

[main ibex]

we need a monster that looks like those scrawny red guys with horns on the cover art of the original game

they're basically skinny barons

[pine violet]

I would think the Doom 1 and 2 so not to many new sprites have to be made

[pine violet]

There's a wad on Doomworld's share your sprites thread that does exactly that

I believe it's called the Gremlin if that helps you find it

[main ibex]

enlighten me

[uneven tangle]

So like just the Mother Demon?

[main ibex]

hmm

[pine violet]

Yup

[pine violet]

It does require a port from the ZDoom family though since it uses decorate Iirc

[main ibex]

that's fine, I use udmf exclusively for my maps

which I'm pretty sure also requires a zdoom variant

also what the hell is lzdoom?

[pine violet]

I think it's meant to be GZDoom for weaker hardware

Although I just use UZDoom

[ruby jay]

map 10 of eviternity was fun

[torpid yacht]

I stopped at map 10 yesterday
The new baron looks sick

[ruby jay]

Yeah it's all metallic with a rocket launcher

[torpid yacht]

And chain gun

Idk if it hits u 100% or theres a chance some bullets misses

[gloomy wing]

Spending 5 or more minutes looking for that one missing item is a great experience

[bitter shoal]

I have been slacking at DOOM, decided to play something I wanted to play for way too long. Scythe 2 is hitting just right so far. It's kind of managing to just barely avoid some of the hit point heavy encounters feel too sloggy if that makes sense. The environments are also really good in VR.

[half inlet]

That Gossip wad was so damn fun.

[median cloud]

Even Civvie has made this jump 😭

[sharp veldt]

It's not that hard , i done it on gamepad

tho jumps like that are a bit iffy since you need to have proper speed and also strafing for higher speeds...

in other words - practice

[median cloud]

I've tried it like 30 times yesterday

could not do it

Find it incredibly hard to pull off idk

Checked like multiple youtubers like Vytaan and some others and they seem to all do their own way but I can't seem to replicate it

I just fall into the lava every time

[sharp veldt]

Which is why i said practice

[median cloud]

Just saw sr50 wasn't possible in the kex port at first so Vytaan did it before sr50

[median cloud]

Idk Vytaan did it on like his 2nd try lol

Besides practice without knowing what you're practising isn't exactly useful

Just bashing my head into a brick wall

[sharp veldt]

It took me like 5 tries myself

you know what, gonna record it today

[median cloud]

Tried it yesterday with sr50 didn't work either

[median cloud]

Yeah idk I tried for like 40 minutes in godmode yesterday

I just couldn't do it

No idea what I'm doing wrong or what kind of understanding I'm missing

Tbh I could do the rocket launcher jum psince that was the intention but seeing how pretty much everyone can do it I wanna be able to do it myself lol

I might just need to take a bigger running start honestly

[median cloud]

It would be fun if there were some custom doom tracks on Spotify

[covert swan]

Agreed. Although I prefer not to bother but to listen to doom tracks on Youtube.

[median cloud]

Yeah but I like having them on in the background while gaming, but unfortunately I'm on wi-fi and streaming youtube causes some lag

Spotify has an offline mode

[covert swan]

I heard Youtube Music (not regular Youtube) allows that

You may give it a try

[median cloud]

But isn't that paid?

[covert swan]

I don't think so

Because I played music in the background in Youtube Music with no payment

[median cloud]

yeah but for offline playing you need premium :p

[covert swan]

Then good old option applies. Downloading and playing on the background

[fluid dune]

I've seen some good covers of doom music on youtube

[median cloud]

Duke Nukem really has some bangers

Think I prefer it over Doom's OST

[twin mortar]

Map 22, man. Map 22.

I think by the time I'm done with this (D64) map I'll no longer have any hair

[crystal hill]

Revilution is one of those wads, with a lot of great maps and also some terrible ones

hard to average it all out

[median cloud]

Fortunately it doesn't have too many maps that are a grind to beat

I think only 19 needed a couple of retries from me

[crystal hill]

they're not very long, but you can be bad and short

like map 16

[median cloud]

That's true

Though nothing in TNTR is as bad as LoR Episode 2 lol

Starting to understand why decino never played LoR

While I liked E1 and only played E2M1-E2M3, I heavily dislike the E2 maps I've played

[crystal hill]

oh dear. That's not good news for my future

[median cloud]

The difficulty is so annoying

E1M6 and E2M1 are just hard because you're super low on ammo

once you know you're low on ammo and know the map layout they lose a lot of their difficulty

E2M3 is just a horrible map

[twin mortar]

Alright DOOM 64 replay done

[mortal gyro]

Doom 2 is all fun and games until you run out of 95% of your ammo on your last save and you're facing off against two phantoms and a horde of former commandos
Totally couldn't be me rn 🙃

[median cloud]

@sharp veldt did you use sr50 for the jump

[crystal hill]

what map're you on?

[median cloud]

dude I swear Im comparing my e2m3 vs the ones I see on youtube

and for me that platform looks way higher

They definitely raised it

or theres a switch that lowers it a bit

dude no wonder I cant make the jump the platform is like twice as high now

wtf

[clear copper]

spawns wsg

[main ibex]

hey look, another one

[median cloud]

Dude they actually patched the map check this out.
Look at the timestamp here:https://youtu.be/Cmm_BjMthsY?t=940

And compare it to here:
https://youtu.be/O6ojTBDnOek?t=1447

The second one is like twice as high!

[crystal hill]

even doom is getting post launch patches these days, smh

[median cloud]

Like Im not crazy right?

There is a height difference, right?

[crystal hill]

2nd one looks higher

[median cloud]

Insane and I cant find anywhere that this was documented

So either I missed a switch or they patched it

[crystal hill]

"In the lava at the north end of the map, go to the top of the gray rocks by the west wall then rocket jump to the ledge below with a box of rockets and a megaarmor (plus a radiation suit on Hurt Me Plenty or lower). It is also possible, though difficult, to land there with a straferun jump from one of the lower steps. (sector 817)" this is what is written on the doomwiki right now

whoever wrote this thinks the rocket jump is the intended methoid

the guy who wrote it is a wiki regular, he seems to know what he's talking about

[median cloud]

Im sure its possible with the loweree height but it might not be in the heightened version

Not like I can contact this wiki editor

Plus he probably made it ages ago

[crystal hill]

must be a year or so ago

[sharp veldt]

I've been trying to recreate what i did back then, no wonder it doesn't work

☠️

[median cloud]

thats so fucked lol why didnt they atleast document it

pisses me off

[mortal gyro]

Map 3,
Sorry for the late response,
I ended up resetting my entire run. was a tad more sparing with my bullets and was able to get past the level

[median cloud]

Man episode 2 of Legacy of Rust really sucks ass

so often monsters dont spawn in

or on the secret level the floors were just broken

the secret level is also horrible

[umbral shale]

Never had that problem, sucks to hear

I loved both episodes, went well for me

[median cloud]

Its not like Im struggling but I just dislike the maps

but yeah the little bugs are annoying ig

[median cloud]

e2m4 has a megasphere secret at the exit 😭

was an inoffensive map for the rest on the easier side for sure

[median cloud]

Okay e2m5 was nice and not too hard

died 2 times at e2m6 at the end when the arches arrive

[median cloud]

But map is really cool otherwise

[crystal hill]

I'm nearing the end of TNT Revilution

I have 4 maps left, starting with the Visage of Time. Hopefully I can get it and the wad I'm playing alongside it done tomorrow

[median cloud]

Thats a good map also somewhat tough

[crystal hill]

I've gone through tougher

overall, unless these next 4 maps are 10/10s, I think I will rank this wad lower than I did on first playthrough. I overlooked a lot of BS maps that time

[halcyon willow]

Are you playing it in the correct port

[median cloud]

Kex port so I assume I am :p

Restarting the level fixed the issue but the bug did happen on my first run

So I picked up the invul at the end and the cyber was like 3 stories above me, couldn't reach him

I still got 1.5 maps left of LoR but I think Plutonia is probably still harder for now

Most difficulty seems to come from unfamiliarity

[median cloud]

sucks that you dislike it more this time around but sometimes that just happens

[crystal hill]

Yeah. I have a star system for wads (think the michelin star system), and this is the 3rd one to drop from 1 star to zero (doesnt mean they're bad, just that theyre not good enough to be among my favourites)

Others are JPCP and Hellground

[median cloud]

Ohh hellground is a controversial take but I kinda understand it

iirc the first map and the last one are true doom maps and are really good

the map prior to the last one is a gimmick one and the rest I just forgot

[crystal hill]

I actually remember the middle ones most, lol

[median cloud]

It was my favorite halloween wad tho

[crystal hill]

the gimmick map is one of the few puzzle maps I actually enjoy and respect

the atmosphere is great

[median cloud]

It's a pretty good puzzle map but when we're just looking at doom gameplay I can only really remember the first and last map having that

[crystal hill]

again, I dont think Hellground is bad, I still like it. But I have standards I want to uphold is the thing

[median cloud]

assume going down is 3 stars in your system?

[crystal hill]

the early maps I think were Plutonia 2 rejects

I dont know what to feel about that, because Eternal's Plut 2 map is way better than those

[crystal hill]

yessir

[median cloud]

Id wanna see the list

[crystal hill]

If you discount the Golden Souls games, its the only thing that has 3 stars now. Auger Zenith probably will, but I have some problems with it that I worry might drop it down

can do

[wind flicker]

Im about to finish the first campaign

🥹

[sharp veldt]

ok map 12 of Purgatory is full surprises

[woven swallow]

Now you can finally hop on to modded content

[sharp veldt]

love how silent portal is used once but to great effect

[wind flicker]

Just finished

Imps and regular zombie men piss me off

All of the other monsters are fine

[woven swallow]

Just doom1?

[gloomy wing]

Lost souls are fine?? They're by far worst monster in Doom 1 😭

At least they're managble in the second game with the ssg and killing pain elementals

[sharp veldt]

It's ok, PSX and 64 made them one shottable but in exchange they're far more aggressive

[dry linden]

Lost souls in nightmare (fast monsters) are even worse. You cannot kill them without a chaingun.

[median cloud]

Okay this LoR map is harder than I thought

E2M6 is pretty doable at first but the green room near the end is a bit of a killer

[wind flicker]

Yeah just doom 1

[torpid yacht]

You can also stun them with pistol?

[sharp veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663786269825826836/1465775133762256947/CPU_-_Purgatory_01_27_2026_18_39_10.png?ex=697a54f8&is=69790378&hm=361677198d7d960445a0e688ba2a2f50b07f36f6f61e8a74f79881268f60855f&

[strange ginkgo]

classic doom can play ear phone

[bitter shoal]

This is my kidn of content. I will have to check it out later today

[median cloud]

Ahhhh I beat LoR E2M6

Yeah I cant lie this was pretty hard

probably never playing it again

[twin mortar]

I remember leaving LoR very satisfied, but I have been trying to replay it lately and just been quitting before even beating level 1

[median cloud]

and with that I finally beat LoR episode 2

last map wasnt too hard but I think that last fight couldve gone wrong very badly

the arches as well

[median cloud]

Im happy I finished it and I can say the hardest maps are probably tougher than whatever plutonia throws at you

[umbral shale]

Oh it always goes wrong for me

[median cloud]

but I dont want to ever play it again haha

[umbral shale]

I still really like it tho

Maybe not the last level's gameplay, but the ost is a certified banger

The Skeleton World🗣️

[median cloud]

No clue why but it left a bad taste in my mouth

Not that I actively disliked it

But tbf I had to force myself to play it in the first place I guess

Actually it might be easier than Plutonia. It’s a bit of an unfair comparison

A lot of the difficulty in e2m6 comes from being new with the calamity blade.
E1m6 in similar vain with the flamethrower

If you play go 2 it while you’re new with the bfg the map is also super tough. Especially against those cybers in tight corridors

[modern peak]

the only parts of lor i disliked was the sudden slaughtermap transformation in episode 2

like i thought i was playing an official expansion why are there 50 archviles

and 20 cyberdemons

[median cloud]

Well tbf the calamity blade does cut right through it

[modern peak]

yeah but its still a jarring difficulty spike when you get to the tech base

[median cloud]

E2M6 took me about 7 tries and E2M7 2. But I lucked out in e2m7
My only death was against the first tyrant that you need to ssg lol

My favorite maps are probably e1m5 and e2m5

[umbral shale]

Yeah the last two are kinda too hard but the aesthetic, music and secret hunting makes it my fav official expansion

Then Doom zero is second but that's a fanmade wad

Technically it's an official add on so it is sorta official

[median cloud]

haha think we have different taste then

I also really didnt get the hype around doom zero

Lots of people like it though but its not for me I suppose

[umbral shale]

Yeah ig looking for different things

Or not

I just liked the level design, aesthetic. I liked how long they are, all the remixed animations, and the new enemy and boss feels fitting for a Doom expansion. It just feels official

I like the wads that have you go on a journey that aligns with the official releases

[crystal hill]

oh dear

not a good sign for my future playthrough then

[crystal hill]

From what I've heard about Doom Zero, I don't think I'll like it, despite the hype

[umbral shale]

From the amount of times I've played, it really doesn't deviate much except some more intricate puzzles

Still satisfying combat tho

Chaingun is also faster

[crystal hill]

puzzles in doom aren't what I like about the game

which is my primary concern

[umbral shale]

They're a good pacebreaker to me

Not that heavily present and not that egregious

I'd be tired if it was strictly combat, but different strokes for different folks ig

[crystal hill]

I mean, Doom has ways of breaking up the combat that arent puzzles

[umbral shale]

Yeah parkour, secrets

[crystal hill]

primarily exploration or incidental combat

[umbral shale]

Doom Zero has a ton of that too

Massive maps

[crystal hill]

urgh

[umbral shale]

I love me my massive maps

Others not so much

[crystal hill]

I like Plutonia style maps

[umbral shale]

Which is fair

[crystal hill]

Hard as hell, but they're not long

so every retry doesnt feel like you're wasting hours of your life on one level

[umbral shale]

Oh I wouldn't say it takes hours

Maybe 30 min to an hour

[crystal hill]

for each level?

Man

[umbral shale]

No for the bigger ones

[median cloud]

Ahh taste could differ

I do like TNT unlike you :p

[crystal hill]

of course. LoR technically got a cacoward, so thats on the to do list

as did Doom Zero

[umbral shale]

I also like wads like the Trooper's playground, Scientist

Admittedly my taste is the one's that feel more like official add-ons or dlc

[crystal hill]

Trooper's Playground is an early wad that's surprisingly good for its age

[umbral shale]

Ye I heard it was super old

Like 98?

But I think it's been cleaned up but I could be wrong

[crystal hill]

96

[median cloud]

Ive heard Mordeth is pretty good on those early wads

[umbral shale]

Damn even earlier

[crystal hill]

if you dont mind a little bit of confusing design, it is

neither Troopers or Mordeth got onto that list I showed you before, but they are both still good. Especially for their age

[median cloud]

Well good news is I can restart my ancient aliens playthrough now

Seems like it took me about 10 hours for legacy of rust

Longer than I thought tbh lol

[crystal hill]

good, it's probably much better

[median cloud]

Yeah most likely

I checked a doom zero review and deduced its not my cup of tea

[crystal hill]

It's really weird to me how many people here like it

Is it because of the puzzles, or what?

well, that came out in 2019, so its not long until I see for myself. Or it wouldn't be, if I didn't just fall down the Terraria hole once more

[umbral shale]

Again, not that puzzle focused

[oak adder]

Im dreading that tnt evilution puzzle at the end

[bitter shoal]

isn't the solution to that actually pretty simple?

[sharp veldt]

Man i remember playing Doom Zero in the January of 2024, had a good time at work

[median cloud]

I watched an fp media video about it so not sure how accurate it is. But every map seems to have a puzzle

[umbral shale]

Idk maybe to me the puzzle isn't that hard to figure out neither does it halt pacing, atleast for me

[crystal hill]

Do you have a link?

[median cloud]

https://youtu.be/OUHiI1kIO0k?si=9hT1NJh045rtUFm-

It’s a 3 part series

First part he seems the most positive

[crystal hill]

Thanks

[native anchor]

IDK why I’ve been thinking this, but I feel like most newcomers to Doom are very likely gonna play every single WAD included in the Kex port as their first Doom experience.

Not just Doom 1 and 2, but also Master Levels, Final Doom, NRFTL, Sigil 1-2, and LoR.

All of those. Before even considering playing Doom 64 or Doom 3.

[twin mortar]

I don't think that's right

[mellow matrix]

It'd be nice if it is since every single one of those WADs (except Master Levels) is better than 64/3.

[twin mortar]

Idk about better than 3

[little oar]

Good!
That's why the kex port is great, it has all of classic DOOM in one easily accessible package

[twin mortar]

No Xbox maps 😔

[crystal hill]

good

[little oar]

Weren't those ones awful anyways

[crystal hill]

beyond awful

[twin mortar]

Apparently so, but preservation is king

[native anchor]

It is on all platforms after all. But so is the rest of the series.

[crystal hill]

you can download them online if you really want them

[twin mortar]

I can, but Nintendo players can't, which, even if doesn't affect me, is kinda bad

[little oar]

3 is iffy since the only version on every platform is the lesser BFG remaster

[crystal hill]

ehhhh

those levels genuinely objectively suck ass

And they're preserved for everyone except people on one specific platform

Doom isn't exactly expensive or hard to run on PC

[twin mortar]

Yeah but they're still official media, they personally fascinate me from the standpoint of being new maps for decade old games. I'd love if they were pre-installed

[crystal hill]

I wouldn't

[native anchor]

In Id’s defense, the mounted light BFG Edition has was what they originally wanted to have in the vanilla game. Just they thought it was gonna make the game run like trash back then so they just made it its own weapon.

[crystal hill]

they are honestly that bad

As for new maps - they're two maps one of the devs made in 1994 that he stuck in the XBOX ports for whatever reason

[little oar]

And the game was designed with that being a scrapped idea, so mounting the flashlight is still against the original intended way of play as the game released
Also the mounted flashlight is the least of BFGs issues imo

[twin mortar]

Still new though, from the standpoint of being media I have not experienced before

[crystal hill]

I shit on the master levels, but I'd say all of them are much better than either XBOX level

[crystal hill]

that's not a good argument in their favour

new =/= good or worthwhile

[native anchor]

Even Carmack acknowledged in QuakeCon 2012 about people saying the mounted light is “destroying the game”.

[twin mortar]

I don't think I need to argue this

"Media deserves preservation" is an incredibly cold take

[crystal hill]

they are preserved!

[twin mortar]

Not officially

[crystal hill]

Who cares?

[native anchor]

Interestingly, KexDoom does have an option for enabling or disabling wide screen. But Doom 64 does not have that.

[crystal hill]

they're more accessible than many officially released games

[twin mortar]

Incredible

[crystal hill]

within one minute, I found both levels on kex engine search tool thingie

Within a few minutes a year or so ago, I found them on the internet with basic research

if they aren't preserved, then I'm afraid nothing is

[twin mortar]

I was never saying they're impossible to access though

[crystal hill]

you were saying they needed to be preserved

they are

[twin mortar]

Yeah, by the official port

[crystal hill]

why?

I'd sooner include the PS1 exclusives. They aren't utter garbage at least, and they're actually hard to access

[twin mortar]

I don't need to give you proper reasons why I said I want them available on KEX man I really did not think through it that deep

[crystal hill]

ok, you can stop arguing then

[twin mortar]

I really wasn't

[crystal hill]

writing, then

[mighty walrus]

you also

[crystal hill]

we have stopped

[native anchor]

KexDoom also has way more localizations than Doom 64.

[twin mortar]

D+D2 was a bigger release than D64, combine that with Nightdive being more experienced, makes sense to me that D+D2 is more fleshed out

[mellow matrix]

I am a vehement hater of Doom 3 and will take every opportunity to ridicule and demean it

[twin mortar]

I respect the grind but disagree

[crystal hill]

I think Doom 64's rerelease was also made mostly as a preorder bonus for Doom Eternal

also, they didn't have decades of source port features to use for D64

[native anchor]

They could still just give Doom 64 an update adding some of the extra QOL features KexDoom has.

And interesting fact: The Japanese version of Doom 64 didn’t even translate all the text, which was a common thing for games on NES, SNES, and N64 back then. But they did change the blood particle effect to green.

[median cloud]

I mean doom 64 and doom 3 arent classic doom so that makes sense

I hope most of them skip master levels

[crystal hill]

I think Doom 64 is similar enough to be lumped in with the classics

[median cloud]

Maybe but Doom 3 definitely isn't

[crystal hill]

No, I consider Doom 3 to be the black sheep of the series

[median cloud]

I like it for what it is

[crystal hill]

I don't think black sheep is a strictly negative term. It just means different

For what it's worth, I like Doom 3 more than Doom 64, and maybe Doom 1

[native anchor]

Doom 64 is more like some kind of spinoff.

It initially released exclusively on N64 after all.

[crystal hill]

Is it? It plays very similarly to the other classics

[native anchor]

It still has less enemies because of cartridge limitations.

[crystal hill]

Doom 1 has less enemies than Doom 2

[native anchor]

Yes, but there’s no Spider Mastermind in Doom 64.

[crystal hill]

so?

there are hell knights and pain elementals like Doom 2

there's differences and omissions, but it's very similar in gameplay and level design

[cinder sapphire]

not a spinoff. same doom guy. same story being continued. that's a sequel 🙂

[gloomy wing]

And Doom 2016 has no archviles, pain elementals, or arachnotrons

Doesn't make it not a main game though

[sharp wyvern]

clearly we need another port that puts them in the base game

[mellow matrix]

I have beaten Scythe 2 MAP22. That's where I quit the first time around (got obliterated by the 3 evil marines near the end). I know MAP23 is where the gloves come off so I'm looking forward to the grind this weekend. Might be a good idea to get out a backup keyboard though.

[halcyon willow]

Doom 3 is the natural successor to Doom 1

From a design perspective

[native anchor]

A quick source port tier list.
S tier: DSDA-Doom, UZDoom
A tier: Crispy Doom, Kex port
B tier: Doom Retro, Chocolate Doom
C tier: Doomsday Engine
D tier: Unity port, PrBoom Plus

[bitter shoal]

hopefully some of the stuff I played over the past year of two has prepared me. PCRP2 maps got brutal towards the end

I play in VR usually so I guess so, but when not doing that I don't use freelook

[little oar]

Why is PrBoom so low?

[crystal hill]

Too simple, maybe?

[little oar]

Can't be, otherwise why is Chocolate DOOM 2 tiers higher

[crystal hill]

vanilla purity advantage?

this guy considers doom 64 a spin off, I dont get his logic

[little oar]

Strange
I can kind of see the DOOM 64 logic if we're talking back when it released. But nowadays id is pretty clear on the fact that it's considered a mainline entry

[crystal hill]

my argument in its favour is how similar it is to the other classic Dooms

the atmosphere is different and some enemies are missing, this is clearly classic doom at its core

[little oar]

Plus DOOM 64 is just a straight engine upgrade (even if it uses a different engine, I'm not sure) since you have much fancier setpieces like ground quakes or having the giant pistons make a hole in the ground

[sharp veldt]

and fancier lightning too

it looks so cool, not to mention the awesome skyboxes

[little oar]

Has similar lighting to the PSX ports too which were a year earlier, so 64 is still built on classic DOOM's foundation in every sense

[modern peak]

you cant call it a spinoff when the gameplay is exactly the same as the previous titles and its canon

[median cloud]

Prboom kinda is just an older shittier version of dsda doom so it has no point anymore

Chocolate doom still has purpose because it exists for doom purists

[modern peak]

ive only used kex, gzdoom and uzdoom because im a normal person

[crystal hill]

I think 99% of people won't care about the port differences

they'll use Kex as the most convenient option or UZDoom if they want to play Brutal Doom or its ilk

[median cloud]

For "classic" experience I prefer dsda doom over Kex

Kex is kinda buggy at times

Sometimes I wanna play old wads on a vanilla port so I have chocolate doom as well

and then just uzdoom for every mod

[modern peak]

eh i mean kex is more convinient, its got like most of the settings you would likely want and it also counts hours which is a plus i think

[crystal hill]

exactly

I can respect someone who knows their stuff preferring another port over Kex, but the vast majority of Doom players won't know or care

they want to play Doom for a bit and then move on with their lives, so Kex is plenty adequate

[modern peak]

kex for regular wads and uzdoom for other mods

really all a man needs

[median cloud]

It's a fair take I don't dislike the Kex port thats for sure

[modern peak]

it is significantly better than the unity port

[median cloud]

Have about 38 hours on it so

[modern peak]

that didnt even support higher resolutions

[crystal hill]

I played a bunch of Kex to grind achievements and get that 8 map par time achievement, and I didn't dislike it

despite using GZ/UZDoom for everything normally

[sage summit]

wad

[bitter shoal]

Spinoff implies it isn't just using an iteration of the (Jaguar->PSX) engine and only makes iterative changes to the gameplay while still using the DOOM license and general setting/character. It is a sequel in every regard, it just has console DOOM as its main descendant (thus the lighting that PSX DOOM had). I feel like the main reason people see it as a spinoff is because "64" is the title while something like DOOM 3 which is radically different and has a rebooted continuity is "3" (I still consider DOOM 3 mainline, just a different continuity and gameplay core), but Mario 64 is mainline (like DOOM 3, radically different and ended up making a lineage of games where DOOM 3 kind of just had Quake 4 as a follow up). It's all just marketing.

[covert swan]

Kex is ahh in multiplayer though

[crystal hill]

very easy to set up though

[covert swan]

So for multiplayer: Zandronum, ZDaemon and Odamex source-ports.

[covert swan]

But in terms of stability it's really ahh

[crystal hill]

thats a sacrifice most people are willing to make

plug in and play multiplayer vs something you need to watch a guide for

[covert swan]

For me, sacrifice in reverse. I better learn how to do it, then play without issues. In my case, I didn't even have to learn much, playing doom for over 20 years

[modern peak]

i wouldnt know because literally nobody plays it

[modern peak]

i have zandronum but i cannot for the life of me find any normal servers, its always so heavily modded it doesnt even look like doom anymore

[median cloud]

Yeah most of the zandronum stuff is modded. I guess you'll have more luck on zdaemon for classic things. But the online scene has died down a lot over time

[crystal hill]

Like I said above, most play Doom for a little bit, then move on with their lives

[covert swan]

Just a small addition:
DSDA-Doom for speedrun. Eternity Engine to play Heartland.pke
Chocolate Doom/Crispy Doom/Woof! for classic experience
Zandronum/Odamex/ZDaemon for multiplayer
Doomsday/Risen3D/Vavoom for voxel/3d experience
Hellion - for huge mappacks (best source-port, in terms of performance)
And many more...

[covert swan]

ZDaemon and Odamex are classic based ports, try them out.

[crystal hill]

so a plug in and play solution will be what most people gravitate to, unless they're really getting into DOom

[median cloud]

I remember playing Hell Revealed 1 life survival with no item respawn like 13-14 years ago on skulltag/zandronum

Was a very fun time but sooo long ago

[covert swan]

Chocolate Doom/Crispy Doom/Woof! Also have their multiplayer

[crystal hill]

over lan, isn't it?

[modern peak]

doom 2016 probably has the best multiplayer out of all the games anyway

[covert swan]

Yeah. Sadly.

[covert swan]

Over internet too

[crystal hill]

thats a very different game to classic Doom

[covert swan]

Unfortunately, yes.

[crystal hill]

not every game is a massive passion for everyone

just how it is

[covert swan]

It's pretty fun, but, personally, I prefer classic doom's multiplayer more (not talking about heavily modded Zandronum ones).

Also, not many people know, but GZDoom/UZDoom can be played in online multiplayer as well

It is peer-to-peer, but you can play newest mods with your friends

[median cloud]

Woof is also way more closely related to dsda-doom than to crispy/chocolate doom

[covert swan]

It has MBF21 support, but Woof's servers are compatibile with Chocolate Doom and Crispy Doom servers.

They're interchangeable

So I believe Woof! is very closely related to Choco/Crispy Doom and to DSDA in terms of MBF21 support

The major obstacle which makes most of the players prefer plug n play solution of Kex port is the fact that for Classic Doom hosting port forwarding needs to be done (which is a complex procedure), although there are a lot of idle servers in classic doom as well.

But again, idea is good but in practice Kex port's multiplayer is very unstable.

[sharp veldt]

i just set up a zandronum dedicated server via Doom Explorer

[covert swan]

You need to have one port in a range of 10666 to 10700 be forwarded in both TCP and UDP protocol for your server to be visible in public.

Otherwise. You may see a dedicated server, but others won't be able to see nor join.

[sharp veldt]

we just connected by typing connect with the server ip in the console

[covert swan]

Someone connected to your server ? For player to join your server he has to type your external IP, because when you host your dedicated server it's your Internal IP which is visible to you.

In short connect <external IP of the host+port number>

[sharp veldt]

I'm not too deep with networking knowledge but this is exactly what I did with my friends

[covert swan]

It is indeed the way to connect to the server, because it usually takes some time until server appears in the global server list. Easier just to connect via console

But you said you've set up your dedicated Zandronum server, has anyone managed to connect to it ?

[sharp veldt]

yeah, my friend connected without issues

we played FreeDoom in coop

[covert swan]

Nice, it means you've got your port already forwarded. Unless it's lan, not public server.

To be fair, there's another way of hosting servers in Zandronum even without port forwarding

With the usage of hosting services like TSPG Painkiller which allow you to host up to 2 servers 24/7.

Something like Athernos for Minecraft

Some people aren't fine with Minecraft Realms, though

So therefore it is still possible to play classic doom multiplayer with less hassle, but people just prefer to play Doom + Doom II and get crashed or get stutters (on core i9 rtx 5090 and stable internet connection lmao).

Once spoke to NightDive employee about Kex port's issues he started to attack me personally, even though almost all steam community page is filled with complaints lmao.

[uneven otter]

Damn

[uneven otter]

That’s kinda weird to hear after seeing all the good nightdive has done for the community

[crystal hill]

could be a bad egg

[covert swan]

He's a bad egg, I don't say the whole Nightdive is like that, but still. It's disappointing to see they have such employee

Who doesn't help, but makes drama instead

[desert tinsel]

Odamex is good for classic doom multiplayer, especially deathmatch. And the Odamex discord is good too

[sharp veldt]

hell levels in Purgatory are so cool

[native anchor]

Was NativeMidi or SynthWave possible in vanilla Doom back in 1993 on DOS, or was OPL the only music soundfont option available?

[covert swan]

Can confirm

[bitter shoal]

What your sound was like depended on your sound card, I'm pretty sure.

[native anchor]

So like, OPL worked on every sound card, but FluidSynth and NativeMIDI needed specific sound cards, correct?

[bitter shoal]

IIRC I think it was just whatever sound chip the sound card had was determing the sound font and it was up to iD to make sure DOOM was compatible with at least the most popular sound card brands at th etime.

[native anchor]

Makes sense.

But what about Chocolate Doom and Crispy Doom only having OPL music on Linux/Steam Deck?

[bitter shoal]

I think that is because OPL was actually a sound chip Yamaha made and older sound blaster cards had it.

[native anchor]

So that means NativeMIDI and FluidSynth require certain soundchips that the Steam Deck doesn’t have. But that doesn’t explain why NativeMIDI works in KexDoom or DSDA-Doom on Steam Deck.

[bitter shoal]

I don't know what nativeMIDI is, but FluidSynth is software emulation of sound, I believe? And soundfonts are imitating the different hardware the sound cards provided

The real reason you probably aren't having options is because source ports typically run off of external sound engines like FluidSynth that aren't built into the executable itself, and you likely need to install some equivalent written specifically for Linux that yoru source port can also support.

[sharp veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663786269825826836/1466481300893335663/Sorrow_Dwells_Here_-_Purgatory_01_29_2026_14_48_15.jpg?ex=697ce6a4&is=697b9524&hm=8d93afd2fb1ef0165e13f2b3cc1690ff935e91717afeadc2ab5afadfbb14aa5b&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663786269825826836/1466481489645408487/In_Cold_Hatred_-_Purgatory_01_29_2026_16_40_18.jpg?ex=697ce6d1&is=697b9551&hm=cc86e4632699c6ce58d19be478747e2ccd2064b3b1cf560a5c02fbaaa92ce8bc&

[covert swan]

PSX Doom goes hard

[sharp veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663786269825826836/1466481793556545678/In_Cold_Hatred_-_Purgatory_01_29_2026_16_47_13.jpg?ex=697ce719&is=697b9599&hm=5735d84d9c684a29b5e82a5795c1f05abc3edfbfe7f33a965ddce59500833976&

[covert swan]

They should have included PSX Doom instead of Master Levels in Kex port

[sharp veldt]

Legit would be better experience lmao

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663786269825826836/1466482177725300807/In_Cold_Hatred_-_Purgatory_01_29_2026_20_17_45.jpg?ex=697ce775&is=697b95f5&hm=043c51e70c21a0ed4b0283e13c9c4ae08ae9bd4f6fd7abf3bbe69dc5171670f0&

[covert swan]

PSX Doom peak content 👍

[sharp veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663786269825826836/1466482443493314761/In_Cold_Hatred_-_Purgatory_01_29_2026_20_31_10.jpg?ex=697ce7b4&is=697b9634&hm=7d82a7feba1ae9d52397c72e8d9a04ced9bcf439d132a45154bfe00d66679942&

Purgatory has probably one of the coolest hell depictions i have seen so far

although it's obvious that it takes PSX and 64 as base for the experience

[covert swan]

Unfair that PSX Doom is available as fan-made wad, though

Should've been among official ones

[merry vine]

DOOM 64!!! 🔥

[scarlet egret]

Just got 100% on doom 64 ps5 version

[cyan kraken]

Is this the mystic place where you can run doom everywhere

[karmic cliff]

So this is what PSX Doom looks like?
Honestly wish it was available on The Doom 1 + 2 bundle in its mod menu. Actually been wanting to play this version of Doom due to my love for the more horror focused Doom games.

[covert swan]

Congrats! 🎊

[sharp veldt]

It's only a recreation of the style with entirely original mapset, for 1 to 1 recreation of it look up the PSX Doom Total Conversion

[karmic cliff]

Will do. Doing so now

[covert swan]

Awesome PSX Doom still doesn't disappoint.

[sharp veldt]

@karmic cliff https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/150065-purgatory-34-level-megawad-inspired-by-psx-doom-doom-64-gzdoom/
this is what I'm currently playing and where these screenshots come from, if you enjoyed Doom 64 this will also be right up your alley

[native anchor]

Since the Doom Collector's Edition included Final Doom, it kinda feels like Final Doom was Doom 3 before Doom 3 even released. Effectively calling it the "ultimate Doom trilogy".

Plus it came with preview content for Doom 3.

[bitter shoal]

Final DOOM was always an official iD product despite being outsourced so it makes sense that it was included.

I kind of lump both Final DOOM and DOOM 64 as a collective "different ways to follow up DOOM 2" sort of thing

[native anchor]

Doom 64 does sort of feel like Final Doom Aftermath in retrospect.

[covert swan]

I always have such perception, even now.

[native anchor]

Playing E4M2 without the BFG grab trick is as hard as playing E4M2 without the BFG grab trick. I find myself not always being able to pull it off, and it caused me a lot of deaths trying to record a demo.

[native anchor]

Does that trick even work in KexDoom?

[covert swan]

I dunno, honestly.

[native anchor]

In a way, that does make both games feel like they’re 2 different timelines branching off Doom 2 that still end up leading to Dark Ages and the rest of the modern games.

Just a thought.

[bitter shoal]

more than 2, TNT and Plutonia are separate continuities. I consider TNT and Plutonia as leading into their fan sequels personally

[covert swan]

And I consider TNT to be better than plutonia

[bitter shoal]

Plutonia 2 having Plutoniaguy as a failed US president will alwys be my canon

[native anchor]

Final Doom could also even be a sort of lead up to Doom 3, or I guess Resurrection of Evil specifically.

Doom 3 is set in 2145, while Resurrection of Evil is set almost 2 years afterwards. So assuming Doom 3 is within the Classic continuity, that would mean Doom 1 and 2 at least are set between Doom 3 and Resurrection of Evil.

[crystal hill]

That timeline seems off. No one expected the demons to invade in Doom 1

I think of Doom 3 as its own thing story/timeline wise

[median cloud]

BFG grab trick? Isn't the BFG just a teleporter

[bitter shoal]

???

teleporter?

[median cloud]

E4M2, Perfect Hatred right?

The BFG is behind that Cyberdemon that you can telefrag

[bitter shoal]

oh, I thought you were saying the BFG itself is the teleporter

[median cloud]

Ah nah but he mentions some bfg trick which I'm not aware of

[bitter shoal]

the BFG grab trick is that you can run into the opposite wall and the collision registers it s you picking up the BFG so you have it earlier than intended

[median cloud]

And that map is still very doable without the BFG

[bitter shoal]

E4M6 also has it

[median cloud]

Ah but is that a thing in E4M2

[median cloud]

Isn't the E4M6 BFG behind that red key bar above the lava

[bitter shoal]

searching bfg grab trick brings E4M2 s the first result, so...

[median cloud]

Apparently you can grab it in the megarmor room

I just looked it up, first time I knew about that

[bitter shoal]

oh wait

E4M6 has a red key grab, not BFG

derp

[modern peak]

i just know about the e4m1 red key grab

[wraith bramble]

Plutonia expansion for Doom + Doom II is really challenging but I'm having trouble finding bridge on 2nd map that have Reventants and Cacodemons around

[covert swan]

Shoot the console in order to raise the invisible bridge.

[median cloud]

That trap is actually pretty mean tbf. I do remember as a new player dying a couple of times there

or falling off the bridge like 10 times

[covert swan]

Hell for casual players. I know.

[median cloud]

It's a good pace setter since Plutonia can be mean

[covert swan]

Compared to constant spam of chaingunners, revenants and arch-viles. Bridge trap is not mean at all.

But the final levels of Legacy of Rust are even meaner

[modern peak]

the last lor levels arent mean they are just brutal

[modern peak]

its not even a trap, its just extremely annoying design

[covert swan]

Gotta agree to that.

[median cloud]

E2M6 mostly

The map is actually very fair until you get into that green room with permadeath pits

The cyber faceoff at the end is also mean since the calamity blade has 0 verticality

first time I got there I ran out of ammo

[modern peak]

the tech base is actually horrifying

[median cloud]

Rest of legacy of rust was fine imo, E1M6 was also a major pain in the ass but doable

I beat it very recently so its still fresh

[modern peak]

e2m8 just throwing like 40 archviles at you

[median cloud]

Yeah thats true but I was spoiled on the fight so I was prepared

(Think its e2m7)

The tyrant face off at the end I mightve lucked out on but it wasnt too hard either

I think e2m3 with the secret exit caused me a couple of tries as well

[covert swan]

Seems like Legacy of Rust is plutonia sequel

Ah wait, there is already Plutonia 2

Lmao.

[sharp veldt]

Legacy of Rust doesn't get that cruel , except for the few maps

[median cloud]

It doesn't feel like Plutonia at all either

Feels more like NRFTL to me lol

[covert swan]

I meant those exact maps

Legacy of Rust in general ain't plutonia at all

[sharp veldt]

i remember jumping into Eviternity blind and holy shit it gradually got way harder than Plutonia, peaking with map 32 which is in the MIDDLE of the fucking wad

[median cloud]

I never played map 32 but it's definitely a lot harder than Plutonia

[sharp veldt]

and it has equally crushing slow burn music, just to emphasise how done for you actually are
https://youtu.be/aBgNsFjHPpQ?si=xqINMaDCqN832tfT

[covert swan]

Played Slaugherfest 2011 and can confirm that's an unforgettable experience.

[median cloud]

In general Eviternity is like Ancient Aliens I think. Step up from Plutonia but no HR, PL2, AV, SOD....

[sharp veldt]

this map in particular made my ROG Ally lag a bit and I actually had to use 8 watts instead of 7 watts (the minimum)

[sharp veldt]

Closest thing to slaughter maps i played are the last stretch of Going Down Turbo and last stretch of Legacy of Rust

I generally avoid these because they're a slog to go through, atleast they're a spectacle i guess

[covert swan]

Don't forget about Sunder

[median cloud]

I dont think he has played Sunder

[sharp veldt]

correct, i did not

[median cloud]

I think I will uv-max the early sunder maps some day. Most of them aren't super long

But I'm doing hard wads in a gradual order and also not super linear

since I'm now playing Ancient Aliens while I have beaten a lot of harder wads

and augur zenith is also on my todo

[covert swan]

Then play it 💀

[covert swan]

Ancient Aliens is a badass one.

[modern peak]

i should turn my wad into a slaughtermap near the end for no reason

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

[sharp veldt]

lmao

[median cloud]

The slaughter on LoR makes sense tho, showcases the full power of the blade