classic-doom

[woven swallow]

top 10 favorite wads of all time

1 Eviternity 2
2 Lost Civilization
3 Sunlust
4 Heartland
5 Fractured worlds
6 We have doom at home
7 Ad mortem
8 Anatresian reliquary
9 1x1
10 Ozonia

[calm lichen]

Those’re some good picks

I’d have to replay a buncha of mine to really even start a list

But I agree with Sunlust being up there

Honestly I could say that Doom Zero and Auger are some of my favorites

I’m not really a slaughter map guy

But I enjoy them from time to time

Shit I still haven’t decided if I even actually like Legacy Of Rust

[woven swallow]

slaughtermaps can be hit or miss for me, either you can do crazy creative fun encounters or just circle strafe BFG spam for 2 hours straight

[calm lichen]

True

I just like hard maps

Neon Overdrive was a great example of hard map

Well the beginning at least

My taste in Doom maps is kinda hard to describe

One thing I can say for sure is I am a fucking sucker for great visuals

[woven swallow]

you would definitely enjoy Lullaby

[calm lichen]

Don’t think I recognize the name

[vague kernel]

"DOOM I + II" has cross platform play though? And that's my main goal here. My son on PS5, me on a laptop beside him.

No notes on fixing the resolution problem? Is there a config file somewhere I can delete/redownload?

[calm lichen]

Did you get it on Steam?

But yes, D+D 2 has crossplatform play

If you need to, go to the Steam page for D+D2 in your library, click the manage button (its a little gear), then go to properties, then installed files, and hit verify files

[dense valve]

Would you guys like to try out a WAD I've made? Seven levels are packed into it

[median cloud]

Anyone here a patreon subscriber of mtpain27

[crystal hill]

why do you ask?

[median cloud]

He posted a december update and I wanted to know what it was

Just wondering if he has videos in the making

[crystal hill]

he made some progress on one script, made half of another, and is considering reducing the videos in season 4 from 10 to 9

[worn scaffold]

I finally finished episode 1 of DOOM (The first game)

[vague kernel]

I did this, no good 🙁

I've been playing literally since 1993 and this is the first time I've ever had a problem like this.

[torpid yacht]

Play Sigil

[calm lichen]

Dude it is impossible to google D+D2

[crystal hill]

finish the rest of the game first

[calm lichen]

Yeah, Sigil is basically episode 5

No first run of Doom 1993 is complete without it

[calm lichen]

Could you dm me or send an attachment link for your display options menu where ya choose resolution please?

[vague kernel]

Most definitely. Standby

[calm lichen]

Standing by

[unkempt ginkgo]

I played a lot of classic doom specifically doom 1 and 2 several times with a few playthrough with mods and I wanted to know if the other wads that come with Doom + Doom 2 are worth playing

[torpid yacht]

Play Batman doom

[crystal hill]

I'd suggest playing them all at least once, to try em

[calm lichen]

And Doom Zero

Doom Zero is peak

[solemn socket]

and play them with bwutal deeewm pog pog pog pog

[unkempt ginkgo]

Does anyone dislike brutal doom? I remember watching a video "criticizing" brutal doom and I just found it hilarious

[calm lichen]

I hate Brutal Doom

[crystal hill]

I dislike it, not strictly for what it is, but for what it represents

[calm lichen]

I hate its edginess and its gameplay changes

And I use edginess loosely

Its kinda Doom if it was made by someone who gets their back to school fit from Hot Topic

[unkempt ginkgo]

Ok its gore is over the top I get why not everyone would like that

[calm lichen]

My biggest complaint is the combat

[unkempt ginkgo]

At times it is tactical like gameplay

I get what you mean you can't just always go in guns blazin

[calm lichen]

Doom is a gun game and the BD guns aren’t good

[torpid yacht]

Yes you can

[calm lichen]

Idk, BD just doesn’t click for me. The changes just ruin what makes Doom fun

[crystal hill]

thats kind of the biggest sin of an FPS game

Golden Souls 1 has crap guns, and tries (and barely succeeds) to make up for it with everything else in the game

[calm lichen]

Brutal Doom and its 2 main forks add nothing to the game

[unkempt ginkgo]

What was wrong with the guns I know many of the guns have been changed like the shotgun which add alot of sway to the gun

I always used the aim down sight on the shotgun to keep it steady

[calm lichen]

The guns just don’t keep up with the enemies and their changes

[unkempt ginkgo]

I agree that it doesn't add anything it just alters the gameplay of the original doom

[calm lichen]

I feel under powered a lot and the ammo is just atrocious

Oh and the rocket launcher not having splash is just bad

[crystal hill]

what

[unkempt ginkgo]

Oh thats is bad

I never realized somehow

[calm lichen]

Yeah, its because of the Cyberdemon fight

Cyberdemons use the same rockets as the player

And the BD Cybs is like 3x bigger and shoots 5-6 rockets instead of 3 spread out ones

[unkempt ginkgo]

The flamethrower is op I used that to beat it but without it its a chore to beat that cyberdemon

Burns ammo like crazy tho

[calm lichen]

I haven’t gotten the flame thrower in any of my runs

I get the plasma and the railcannon

Brutal Doom just isn’t my cup of tea and never will be. But Mark is working on his own game

[cinder sapphire]

I dont get what all the hate for it is about. maybe I should try it again, cuz I remember playing it on Black Metal difficulty and had fun. but that was 5-6 years ago, so perhaps things have changed since then 🤔

[unkempt ginkgo]

There are many mods better than brutal doom that don't change so much about the game that it becomes something different from the original

[cinder sapphire]

put it on doomworld. People will play it there

I actually prefer mods that change it a lot. that's why I use mods.

[unkempt ginkgo]

The time I played Brutal Doom I like it because I was looking for something new that altered doom

[crystal hill]

I play Doom because I enjoy the fundamentals of Doom

if I didn't, I'd go play a different game

[calm lichen]

I mainly play using just weapon wads

[cinder sapphire]

yes I know that rules. you've mentioned before that you just like doom as doom.

[crystal hill]

so I've never really enjoyed gameplay/weapon mods

[calm lichen]

Rn I’m playing Walpurgis on Doom 1

[cinder sapphire]

walpurgis.. that a wad?

[crystal hill]

Well, I like Doom that changes the weapons/enemies but has tailored levels to accomodate that

[unkempt ginkgo]

Doom and the golden suns is a great mod

[crystal hill]

Golden Souls and Skulldash come to mind immediately

[calm lichen]

Playing different weapon on different maps is great

Auger Zenith with fantasy weapons

Or Doom Zero with Duke Nukem 3d weapons

Shit, Chex Quest but I’m Gordon Freeman

[unkempt ginkgo]

Is Walpurgis like a conversion mod for doom to make it like hexen or heretic?

I recently played this game called Amid Evil and it makes me interested in trying hexen and heretic

[cinder sapphire]

Im just saying brutal doom seems like it gets memed on a lot, but I guess I gotta try it again to see. u call it hot topic but like what does that even mean

[calm lichen]

Its a weapon wad that adds 4 classes inspired by Hexen

[crystal hill]

Having also played Amid Evil, it's quite a lot more fun than either of those

[calm lichen]

It works for Doom, Heretic, and Hexen

[calm lichen]

Calling it Hot Topic means dark and edgy for no good reason other than to be dark and edgy

I’m just making fun of it for being a spaghetti code Doom wad

[cinder sapphire]

yeah but what about it dark and edgy.

[calm lichen]

Combination of the environment changes and the gore system

I’m mostly kidding when I say its Hot Topic though so 🤷

[cinder sapphire]

oh so your think it's kind of over the top with the "evil" vibe?

[calm lichen]

Its like a lame version of Doom 3

Doom 3 if it was made by Activision

[cinder sapphire]

can I actually speak with clear words and examples. ur just talking in nonspeak

[calm lichen]

Fine you want clear

Brutal Doom is a dark and gritty cheese fest that takes the iconic Demon Slaying fps and turns it into a gorefest of mediocre gunplay and shitty environmental changes that do nothing but use more of your gpu and cpu

From fake bloom on lights to adding mancubis and aracnatrons (Idk how to spell it) to Inferno

[unkempt ginkgo]

The average triple AAA remake of a cult classic

[cinder sapphire]

ohhh. why didn't u just say that 😆

[calm lichen]

I did, just in shorter terms

Calling it Doom 3 but made by Activision said it all

[cinder sapphire]

I think you're a really good writer. a lot more descriptive cuz I was like huh? but I get it

has any of u tried Hideous Destructor?

[unkempt ginkgo]

I just realized this is really hypocritical of me because I liked playing it

[cinder sapphire]

it's ok to like certain things.

[crystal hill]

no, everyone must be miserable and hate everything

[calm lichen]

Some things aren’t allowed to be hated

Like Kasune Teto and the Whataburger Patty Melt

[cinder sapphire]

see you say that in jest but there really are peeps out there like that. weird and sad tbh

[crystal hill]

I'm sure there are

but it's not really worth concerning yourself with weird people

[cinder sapphire]

perhaps

[calm lichen]

Yeah, just pretend they don’t exist

Life is actually so much better once you just like what you like

Don’t shut out others opinions but also be true to yourself

[main ibex]

why did we decide that soul spheres should be screaming blue orbs

[bitter shoal]

honestly it is a good way to communicate it is soul-like. If it were just a ball you'd think it was water or energy depending on the color

especially back in the DOS days where most orb things were just a gradient tool

[torpid yacht]

Starting going down map19 later today

[calm lichen]

Finally time to check all my wads to see if any have updated

Gonna be here forever

[median cloud]

Is there a doom port that shows doom monster sprites in the automap?

[jovial snow]

uzdoom does that

[earnest flame]

https://youtu.be/QmhibkQCDks

[oak adder]

hey guys should I play tnt evilution?

[torpid yacht]

Yes

That's the first wad I played

[oak adder]

I figured this one wouldn't be as bad as plutonia.

[torpid yacht]

Plutonia is full of Bs, but its doable.

[oak adder]

I dont even wanna play plutonia even on hurt me plenty.

[torpid yacht]

Its not that bad bro, I was also scared on my first try, now its a walk on the park for me.

[oak adder]

the hunted level with the arch-viles would have me fuming.

[torpid yacht]

Its not a long level n had to be lucky

[oak adder]

as long as I dont play the secret levels

I remember playing the master levels and being a bit torn by the end.

[limber mirage]

Don’t forget you can save often, I’m by no means a good classic doom person and I did plutonia on UV

[torpid yacht]

Just save bro

[oak adder]

yeah could do that

ill probably pick "hurt me plenty" just to be on the safe side

[limber mirage]

Personally personally personally

I would really suggest staying with UV

[torpid yacht]

Thats not the gentleman's way

[limber mirage]

Plutonia changes a LOT of its monster spawns and types if not on UV

[torpid yacht]

I suffered, now its your turn

[oak adder]

guess ill die lol

[limber mirage]

I had originally started a few levels on HMP and then did a full run on UV and the levels were unrecognizable

[torpid yacht]

1000% you will

[limber mirage]

They are changed that much

[oak adder]

do i even include the plutonia secret levels during my run?

those gonna be next to impossible lol

[torpid yacht]

Play them after you finish plutonia
You'll be more experienced at that time

[oak adder]

okay

[crystal hill]

Plutonia is like a gateway drug to custom wads as a whole imo

Gotta beat it before you can try harder stuff

[bitter shoal]

Plutonia is a very "you gotta take the bad with the good" kind of wad

[crystal hill]

People frequently call it BS... which it is at times, but its still overall easier than many many wads

[bitter shoal]

honestly I enjoy some BS sometimes, I respect when a game is just unapologetically evil

[median cloud]

Just beat TNT2 map 12 and I dont like TNT2 that much

[median cloud]

Its a tougher challenge to find a wad easier than Plutonia nowadays

[crystal hill]

Plutonia has 32 maps, which is still a boon even when most of them aren't so bad

so a one or two map wad that's quite tough still might not measure up to the amount of stuff in Plutonia

[median cloud]

still full megawads the only ones easier than Plutonia that come to mind are like icarus, memento mori

[tight laurel]

i beat tnt evolution!!!

[tight laurel]

what should i do next?

[crystal hill]

Plutonia after TNT

[tight laurel]

oh lord

[median cloud]

if u beat TNT u go plutonia unless u've already completed plutonia

[crystal hill]

Then some custom wads, if you dont want to play the rest of Doom I + II

[median cloud]

if you want an intermezzo u can do No Rest for the living first

it's a great 9 map pack and its about the same difficulty as TNT imo

Plutonia is harder

[tight laurel]

is it a official map?

[crystal hill]

yes it is

[tight laurel]

im still a new player, not sure how long its gonna take

[crystal hill]

if you've made it through TNT, you should be able to handle Plutonia

[tight laurel]

i kinda jumped right to tnt after doom ii

[crystal hill]

Camem is right, NRFTL might be a better next step

[median cloud]

NRFTL is official yeah

[median cloud]

It makes sense, you're doing the right progression imo

[tight laurel]

ill check it out

[median cloud]

NRFTL is just a bit easier, really good and only about 9 maps

But I understand if you want to do plutonia next

you play on UV?

[tight laurel]

yes

its no challenge if u dont lmao

[median cloud]

Very true haha

Maybe you should just go with Plutonia tbh

[tight laurel]

ive watched a playthrough those skeletons are everywhere

im terrified

[mellow matrix]

I'd go for NRFTL. It's a gentle step up in difficulty and only 9 maps. You can probably beat it in under 2 hours.

[tight laurel]

ill watch a playthrough then ill try it

is doom zero harder or easier?

ive seen it and it looks kinda cool

[mellow matrix]

It's been a while since I played it but I remember it being around TNT difficulty, maybe slightly tougher.

[tight laurel]

is that the one with the new weapon and monster?

cant fully remember

[mellow matrix]

It has a couple new enemies but no new weapons. The plasma rifle has a different sound effect but it functions normally.

[tight laurel]

oh im thinking of another map

after nrftl sigil seems reasonable ive heard some good opinions in it

[median cloud]

Doom zero is about tnt difficulty

Also I dislike it haha

Id play the og wads first atleast plutonia

[tight laurel]

okay

ill try it but im terrified lmao

also ty for the suggestions

[torpid yacht]

Just save brah

[crystal hill]

oh dear

[tight laurel]

i save after every 3 levels to give myself a challenge

[crystal hill]

I hear nothing but praise for that one

[crystal hill]

i respect that

[torpid yacht]

And pistol start every level

[crystal hill]

pistol starting when you're just starting out is silly

[tight laurel]

im not on pc

[torpid yacht]

Same

[crystal hill]

you need to ease yourself into the game first, learn how best to deal with everything and what best ways to use your weapons

[mellow matrix]

I thought DooM Zero was fine. I appreciated the attempt at some narrative threads but it was a bit puzzle heavy for my tastes and the combat is nothing to write home about.

Worth a playthrough at least.

[crystal hill]

I have a feeling I'll not like it myself, but until I play it I can't say for sure

[torpid yacht]

Zero is full of ups.n downs

[tight laurel]

thats how i feel abt plutonia

and i might have to break my rule bc no way im getting through that

[torpid yacht]

I dont think you want to save every 3 maps starting plutonia
Maybe once at the start of map

[tight laurel]

good idea

but it definitely gives me a challenge but with something as hard as plutonia i dont think ill be able to do that

[torpid yacht]

Its not that hard its just full of traps n have no idea the first time

[tight laurel]

wait what are those skeletons called because i remember plutonia was filled with them

[torpid yacht]

Revenant

[tight laurel]

ohh

[median cloud]

I found it so open and ugly

[median cloud]

Also focus being switch puzzles and platforming

Not my thing

@tight laurel u dont pistol start right?

[tight laurel]

absolutely not

i dont hate myself

lmao

[median cloud]

Its fun hahah

[calm lichen]

A tad harder but its peak

[torpid yacht]

Hard and doom zero doesn't go together

[bitter shoal]

speaking of things that aren't hard, I think once my computer is up and running again I'll continue TNT just because it will ease me back into DOOM

[median cloud]

Tnt is pretty fun for a casual playthrough the most annoying part of tnt is finding the way as a first timer

[torpid yacht]

I hope I can continue playing going down today

[oak adder]

hey guys

started final doom

though i only beat the first level

[torpid yacht]

At least 10 levels today

[twin mortar]

I initially had the mindset of 10 levels a day too and I ended up getting so hooked I did all of Plutonia in one sitting

[median cloud]

Which mapset? Final Doom has both tnt and plutonia

[median cloud]

Thats crazy

[oak adder]

tnt

[gusty grove]

hot take: knee deep in the dead is the worst doom episode

[torpid yacht]

Its the easiest and best design levels imo

[gusty grove]

personally that just makes it quite dull for me
theres only like 4 enemies (not counting the bruiser brothers)

[torpid yacht]

Its supposed to be easy since its the beginning.
For me, the worst of the 4 main chapters is Inferno.

[oak adder]

that is a hot take

[oak adder]

for me its thy flesh consumed

rather play inferno than that

[main ibex]

yeah I can't tell if my playthrough of that was confusing because it was my first time or if it was genuinely unfun

[oak adder]

yeah not a fan

[torpid yacht]

That's a very good episode, not only its challenging, the maps layout are ok 👌

I dont mind inferno but I think its the weakest.

[oak adder]

I wouldn't mind thy flesh consumed if the enemy placement wasn't so terrible

[finite crag]

Calcium Dream

[exotic vault]

Can anyone recommend YouTubers that play doom mods? Just curious

[main ibex]

midnight

allegedly vinesauce played doom but idk how invested he was in mods, never seen their videos

[exotic vault]

I had another guy that did classic horror doom mods but the problem was I lost him in YouTube so I don't know where he is.

[calm lichen]

Midnight?

He covers horror Doom wads

[exotic vault]

No it's someone else I just can't remember his channel name.

[main ibex]

is doom 64's wad able to be looked at with slade

[cinder sapphire]

will probably start uploading some Doom stuff to youtube, but it will take some time... and it's gonna be weird.
Link's in my profile.

[exotic vault]

Can you play the doom 1 and 2 campaign with a friend or is it not possible? Just curious

[twin mortar]

You can

[exotic vault]

The only annoying thing is I can't really save our gameplay.

[median cloud]

Very hot take

Think my least favorite has to be Inferno

Limbo and Unholy Cathedral are just turbo ass and I always dread playing them

[twin mortar]

My least favorite is E2 but I find it in no ways bad. Just a lesser one compared to the other two (three if you want to go by UDOOM; I also prefer E4 to E2)

[median cloud]

I put E2 way higher now that I appreciate E2M6 which went from one of my least favorite maps to one of my favorite ones

Only E2 map I dislike is E2M3

[crystal hill]

I still hate E2M6 in Doom 1 for the instant death crusher traps

a real pain in the ass if you spend 15 or so minutes in the level before hand

[median cloud]

true that trap is horrible

[gusty grove]

DOOM theory:
the inferno icons were mistakenly switched around
(For example: Pandemonium was supposed to be the skull, House of pain was supposed to be the weird building, Unholy cathedral was supposed to be, the other big brick castle, Mount erebus was supposed to be the glowing light in the mountian)

[main ibex]

someone make pandemonium from ultrakill play over pandemonium in episode 3

[torpid yacht]

Just finished 200 megahurts on going down
This is a combination of the arch vile level on plutonia and TNT upside down world? Lmao

[calm lichen]

Real, E2 is just kinda there and probably has the most boring maps imo

E2M1 specifically is just not very exciting or fun

[cedar yacht]

do you guys recommend any good wad you can play while just chatting? Something you can play without thinking just running aand shooting around

[mellow matrix]

Scythe up until map 21 is very easy going. All hell breaks loose at map 26.
Biowar is old fashioned 90s run'n'gun.
Deathless shouldn't raise your blood pressure too much.
Double Impact if you want something for DooM 1.
And pretty much anything made by Doomkid is chill. Ray Mohawk series, Rowdy Rudy series, and Bourgeois Megawad to name a few.
And of course you can always pick any wad and play it on HNTR or ITYTD.

[torpid yacht]

Stopped at map 24 on going down, need to eat

[cedar yacht]

Thank you very much! I don't wanna play HNTR or ITYTD, I don't want it to be easy just chill, not much thinking. Thank you for the recommendations!!

[exotic vault]

This will help my list of mods too.

[urban trench]

I recently finished Aliens: Eradication with all four classes (highl recommended). What next? I think I've not played Scythe yet.

[main ibex]

anyone here play Doom 3DO?

music kicks ass

[twin mortar]

Very interesting history that port has

[cinder sapphire]

am I getting something wrong or why are yall calling wads mods 🤔

[torpid yacht]

Isn't it the same thing?

[mortal silo]

Biowar is so cool

[cinder sapphire]

from what I understand the wad is just a custom made map, whereas a mod changes aspects of the game like adds weapons, changes gameplay, etc.

[twin mortar]

You can have a WAD function like that, it's not just new maps

[cinder sapphire]

ya u can but that isn't just a wad, then

[torpid yacht]

Can someone ban this bot @glass wagon?

[cinder sapphire]

idk could be pendantics, I just assumed like you can play a mod in a custom wad and they were two different things

[torpid yacht]

Be careful from that bot/scammer asking for money. Lol

[limber mirage]

If you have proof it’s a bot please. Send through @tribal kettle

[calm lichen]

Yeah, anything thats a wad file I call a wad

Final Doomer is a weapon wad

While Brightmaps is a PK3

[torpid yacht]

He already left

[oak adder]

been playing tnt evilution

I'm on map 11

man the fact that plutonia is worse got me scared

stronghold took me forever

[main ibex]

stronghold when weakrelease walks in:

[finite crag]

make sure to check out Revilution when youre done

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5La0dAC9YE&t=8s

[oak adder]

my plan was to play evilution then plutonia

[finite crag]

o yeah for sure do plutonia first

but TNT has a reputation for being kinda dogshit, Revilution is regarded as one of the best fan made megawads out there though

[torpid yacht]

After plutonia you play the 5th episode of Doom 1
Sigil

Im playing Revilution for the first time after I finish Going Down

[finite crag]

i never played sigil past level 1 tbh

[oak adder]

im dreading plutonia

[little oar]

You'll probably be fine, you're overblowing this a bit imo
Plutonia is harder but it's not like THAT massive of a leap. If you can handle DOOM 1 (and Episode 4) and DOOM 2, you can handle Plutonia

[oak adder]

I think my least favorite map in evilution is stronghold

[main ibex]

I'm romering it

[oak adder]

redemption is alright I guess

[torpid yacht]

What level are you in TNT?

[raven orbit]

guys i might be an idiot but where am i supposed to go to finish this level this is my first time playing classic doom https://i.imgur.com/RYtwCQY.png

[torpid yacht]

Theres a blue key n go to the other side

Theres a blue door

[raven orbit]

yeah i was able to find it

also if i fall into a poison pit with no steps does that just mean i die?

theres no way to get out

[torpid yacht]

Yes, you die, but you can raise a bridge there n you go to a secret level
You raise a bridge there *

[raven orbit]

kinda of annoying

how often are there gun drops for me to get my arsenal back?

[little oar]

Depends on what you run into
Shotgunners always drop a shotgun on death
Beyond that, you just have to find them again throughout the level in secrets (or tucked away a bit)

Every DOOM map was created with pistol start in mind (it was how they play tested them) so the level will always give you what you need to get through, so starting from just a pistol isn't going to leave you in an unwinnable condition or anything

[raven orbit]

i see

[raven orbit]

i am surprised at how well classic doom holds up

enjoying it more than i expected to

[cinder sapphire]

there's a reason there are still communities dedicated to this game after all these years 😉

[little oar]

The classic DOOM games all hold up incredibly well yeah

They're simple to learn, easy to pick up, but still with really fun level design

[median cloud]

Always cool to see people play Doom for the first time

[worn scaffold]

a

[oak adder]

rn im on map 13

evilution can get pretty mean at times

like in "storage facility" where there's a bunch on monsters in tight, cramp spaces

my strategy was to get them outside

am I really gonna play the rest of these doom expansions on uv?

[torpid yacht]

Yea

[torpid yacht]

You have to.

[oak adder]

I didn't even play master levels on uv

[cinder sapphire]

whatever's fun for you

[torpid yacht]

Master levels sucks!

[oak adder]

ikr

[torpid yacht]

Only a few are good/decent

[oak adder]

especially that one stage where i had to strafe run on wall to get a key

[torpid yacht]

So you played them?

[oak adder]

yep

[torpid yacht]

I just remembered that theres more than UV and nightmare difficulty...

[tight laurel]

i cant get past map 10 on plutonia

been trying for like 45 minutes

anyone have any tips?

[torpid yacht]

Dont be scared and be aggressive

Or save a bit more often

[tight laurel]

i try to but there's this trap at the beginning where it sends a bunch of spiders and revenents

[oak adder]

yeah carry that mentality through final doom

[torpid yacht]

Also try to make them infight

[tight laurel]

and after you get past that where's a horde of chaingunners

[oak adder]

hope you've been saving

[tight laurel]

good idea

[bitter shoal]

let me remember what map 10 was rq

[tight laurel]

nope i save after every map

[torpid yacht]

You can also run away when the chain gunner trap appears

[oak adder]

personally I save a truck load in final doom because its already difficult to the core

[bitter shoal]

oh, Onslaught

for some reason I thought Onslaught was 9

[tight laurel]

i think map 9 is ghost town

[torpid yacht]

You can either hide n peek, mode Rambo, Infight, or run away

Its usually just that most of the times lol

[bitter shoal]

what you can do is run for the shotgun at the start and then kill the starting chaingunner with it, then when you need to grab the key, each segment of the overhangs opens up a chaingunner one at a time

and don't take the invisibility once you are about to fight the arachnotrons, save it for later cahingunners and stuff

[tight laurel]

wait peak idea

but i would just run into the baron and i cant get past him when i try to press the switch

[median cloud]

Map 10 is onslaught

[tight laurel]

its either the baron kills me or the chaingunners do

[median cloud]

Which is pretty tough

[tight laurel]

congo was a lot harder

[torpid yacht]

Dont you have a plasma at that point?

[tight laurel]

yeah

i think irdk

[torpid yacht]

Keep shooting i think It takes like 40 cells

To kill that bastard

[oak adder]

yeah you dont wanna keep those mini spiders alive

[tight laurel]

i think ill just have to start saving a fuck ton

this is way too hard

[torpid yacht]

For Plutonia yeah

Sometimes rush the monsters while shooting plasma

[tight laurel]

plasma gun is not that good rocket launcher is better for that kinda stuff

[oak adder]

Im gonna do the exact same thing for plutonia.

[bitter shoal]

Plasma is a good "fuck this thing in particular" weapon

[torpid yacht]

Nahh plasma 100%

[bitter shoal]

particularly when you don't know what you're expecting in a small space

[torpid yacht]

Especially in that area

[oak adder]

chaingun is good for mini spiders and revenants

[tight laurel]

yeah because it stuns them not that good in groups though

rocket launcher or ssg is really good for them

[torpid yacht]

Just try rushing the baron with plasma

Lol

[bitter shoal]

yeah

we aren't talking about in general but for that situation

plasma has higher DPS than SSG IIRC and it also has a high rate of fire for stun

[tight laurel]

how many cells because i wanna save cells for whenever or if i get the bfg

[torpid yacht]

Baron doesn't like the color blue
So shoot it plasma

[bitter shoal]

someone mentioned 40 earlier. Plasma is actually pretty ammo efficient on most things

[tight laurel]

true dat

[median cloud]

Thats map 1

[tight laurel]

ik it was really annoying

[oak adder]

thats gonna be a rough start

because you got two arch-viles

[tight laurel]

i was still able to get through it without a save

[bitter shoal]

tbf I thought it was harder than Go 2 It and Cyberden lol. Sometimes concentration of evil > quantity of things

[tight laurel]

are those in plutonia?

[bitter shoal]

yes

[tight laurel]

oh lord

[bitter shoal]

they are teh secret maps (I listed them in th e wrong order)

[tight laurel]

you think i should try to beat them?

[bitter shoal]

sure, if you can beat Map 15 where the exit to them is right at the end, you can beat those

[oak adder]

as for the secret levels, good luck

[bitter shoal]

Map 15 is one of the hardest levels IMO so if you can do it you'll be fine on the secret maps

[tight laurel]

i thought you only get to unlock secret maps on the last level and you have to go through a secret exit

[tight laurel]

oh lord

[tight laurel]

what are the common monsters?

[bitter shoal]

on those maps?

[tight laurel]

map 15

[bitter shoal]

yes

[tight laurel]

what are the most common monsters on map 15

[bitter shoal]

yes

[torpid yacht]

Everything

[median cloud]

Thats crazy lol

No way go 2 it is easier than congo cmon now

[tight laurel]

???

[torpid yacht]

Every monster is there

[tight laurel]

cyberdemons too?

[median cloud]

Map 15 has a lot of secrets tbh

[torpid yacht]

I think yea

[median cloud]

And on continuous playthrough go 2 it is def the hardest map

[torpid yacht]

Ik theres spiders

[median cloud]

On pistol start its different

[torpid yacht]

The big ones

[tight laurel]

masterminds?

[torpid yacht]

Yea

[oak adder]

congo gonna be evil

[oak adder]

which us why im saving the secret levels for last

[main ibex]

I still find it hard to believe this was considered hyperrealistic in its time

[cinder sapphire]

not sure where you heard that, cuz I never considered it hyper-realistic 🤔

[coral crystal]

Are there any good speedrunners on roller?

[torpid yacht]

Just finished "Going Down" on UV pistol start
Very good/fun mod 👌

[exotic vault]

I'm sad I can't look up and down in the doom 64 remaster.

[main ibex]

that's crazy since you could do that in the original

[oak adder]

okay im on map 19 in evilution

map 18 is just mean

[torpid yacht]

You're really flying through the levels

[oak adder]

map 15 especially

[oak adder]

yeah especially with save states

[torpid yacht]

True

[oak adder]

map 18 took me nearly 30 minutes to beat

[torpid yacht]

I forgot whats map 18 ill look it up

[oak adder]

mainly because of that yellow key

this bit at the end where a bunch of enemies spawn including a cyberdemon was all kinds of evil

[torpid yacht]

Ok I looked it up
I dont remeber anything from that level lol

[oak adder]

I had to run out of the room as soon as they started spawning

[torpid yacht]

Its been like 5 or 6 years since I played TNT

[oak adder]

in fighting only does so much

[torpid yacht]

Standing where the demons teleport helps in some other maps
Since it blocks them from teleporting until you move out of the way

[oak adder]

yeah true

I learned that the hard way lol

with this bit where an arch-vile spawns in a small room where you have teleport on top of it to kill it

[torpid yacht]

That's telefrag

[oak adder]

it pretty much impossible without it

I hope it wont take me as long to beat the other levels

[torpid yacht]

[lilac axle]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-doom-eternal-doom-genshin-sucks-glory-kill-gif-1618966088396377383

[little oar]

DOOM 64? You've never been able to look up and down pretty sure

[lilac axle]

the real question is where is doom 64 as a channel?

[little oar]

It got merged with this one

It's close enough to being a classic game that it may as well be talked about like such

[lilac axle]

and im guessing doom 2 did also

[main ibex]

it literally is classic doom

[little oar]

Idk if DOOM II was ever a separate channel

[main ibex]

there's a reason steam has Doom and Doom II sold as one game

[little oar]

Classic DOOM just means anything spanning from DOOM (1993) to DOOM 64 and the fanwads based on those

[lilac axle]

the only thing you can find just as doom is on old computers

[main ibex]

huh. ig it's just d64ex

[little oar]

Yeah that was an ex thing probably

ex is a source port so it's kind of the original but kind of not really

[main ibex]

and whatever online emulator ports

(that was how I first played d64)

[lilac axle]

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-doom-e1m1-cacodemon-gif-19329571

[main ibex]

the chaingun in 64 though, holy peak

[main ibex]

I know someone who unfortunately has to play like this

curse of the mobile port

[lilac axle]

the super shotgun in doom 2 shredded demons into tomato sauce

[main ibex]

it was also the only weapon in classic doom to have vertical random spread

[lilac axle]

https://tenor.com/view/super-shotgun-doom-doom-slayer-my-beloved-heart-gif-27227253

doom music is the best video game music no doubt

[oak adder]

the super shotgun is awesome

the fact that you can fight a spider mastermind with it

[bronze heart]

is that the mobile port???

[blissful scarab]

Just started doom on switch classic edition 1 2 3

[median cloud]

@oak adder do u play pistol start?

[oak adder]

for evilution? no

[median cloud]

okok

[oak adder]

final doom is not one of those games to pistol start in

[median cloud]

It changes the gameplay thats for sure

some maps become way harder others become relatively easier

[odd vine]

It’s good, but there is also undertale and deltarune ost. They are equal for me though

[modern peak]

how do maps become easier pistol start than not

[exotic vault]

At least most of the controversial doom 64 mods work greatly on the remaster because they've all been updated to work for it. Such as doom 64 round 2

[median cloud]

Relatively I meant, as in maps you'd considered hard would be easier than maps you'd consider easy because you're pistol starting them

TNT Map 07 is a good example of this, in continuous playthrough it's not that tough of a map

but on pistol start it's a bit harder

[crystal hill]

Pistol starting means you miss out on the super shotgun in a lot of levels, at least at first. It's honestly a pretty big deal

not to mention the other weapons

[modern peak]

ssg in final doom isnt as useful as the rocket launcher

[crystal hill]

you always have shells for it

you may not always have rockets

[torpid yacht]

When you're more experienced, go back to the beginning and pistol start

[median cloud]

Having a BFG also nullifies a big chunk of the maps

[crystal hill]

oh yes, especially if you get it early-ish like in Doom 2

[oak adder]

okay 11 maps left in evilution

not counting the secret levels

[median cloud]

What number are you at?

[oak adder]

19

[main ibex]

for the longest time I thought "american mcgee" was a nickname

who names their kid that

[median cloud]

I love 20 and hate map 21

both are pretty long and somewhat confusing for first timers though

[bitter shoal]

IIRC he said that his parents were high when they did that

so yeah... American McGee's parents are who would name him that

[mossy halo]

A long time ago, this channel taught me how to add WADs. Me, an idiot when it comes to computer stuff. In the future, I might want you guys to teach me again, please. I'd appreciate it.

[sterile sky]

I'm not a big fan of E4M2

[torpid yacht]

Why not? Its the best level on the game 🎮

[oak adder]

same

[worn scaffold]

My favorite weapon in DOOM is the shotgun

:3

[crystal hill]

it sucks to pistol start. You need to get moving or you'll be swarmed

I like to carve out an area of safety wherever I go before I move on, so I can try and retreat there if things go dire

[torpid yacht]

Me too

[worn scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/twins-twinsies-man-spiderman-spider-gif-10514073451626580881

[median cloud]

Ur low hp after e4m1 if u play continuous

[crystal hill]

Survive the two shotgunners and you get two health kits to heal up with

[median cloud]

E4M1 really is the hardest opening map in commercial doom

[odd vine]

Me too the shotgun is so good

[crystal hill]

the shotgun does the job until you come face to face with anything stronger than a pinky

the super shotgun feels great and has the power to match

[odd vine]

ssg is good at killing anything

But I like the og shotgun better

[crystal hill]

exactly

[oak adder]

map 23...

almost done with evilution

[torpid yacht]

You're flying through the levels
You really want to play plutonia as soon as possible

[oak adder]

Im dreading that

[sterile sky]

good luck

[oak adder]

yeah because im gonna need it

[desert tinsel]

Monday Night Horde is starting on Odamex 12.1.0 if anyone would like to come play! Its a big community cooperative event

[torpid yacht]

Im starting TNT: Revilution on UV pistol start every level.
Hope its good

[exotic vault]

I'm now thinking of playing doom 64 remaster on Xbox. Are there any great tips or tricks you could give me?.

[bitter shoal]

Someone here was talking about it awhilel back and it sounded decent (I think they got burnt out towards the end though)

[calm lichen]

Be wary of traps, the game is not forgiving with its darts and shit

[exotic vault]

Good to know.

[calm lichen]

Also, do the secret levels as some have upgrades for one of the guns that makes the finale actually fun

And lastly do not try to do the trick where you step on the body of a pain elemental to stop the lost souls from spawning as it just blows you up

Honestly Pain Elementals and Lost Souls are much more dangerous in 64

[exotic vault]

Where do I find these secret levels.

[calm lichen]

I don’t remember tbh

All I remember is the first one which you get by shooting all the barrels in the first level but you need to shoot the first barrel in the level last as the exit door is timed

[exotic vault]

You're right with that although I checked a YouTube video. I'm a casual player so I don't know if I want to try to get all the secret levels.

[calm lichen]

Fair

You don’t need them but they certainly help

[exotic vault]

I do agree with that because I've played doom 1 secret level with episode 1 and it definitely helped me with the rest of the levels.

[native anchor]

Anyone else tend to not play Classic Doom above 60 FPS? I don't find it really necessary to do so.

[calm lichen]

Man, Brutal Doom 2 is actually really fun

I was expecting it to be just as boring as BD1 and BD64 but its actually kinda good

[calm lichen]

Depends on the source port I use

[native anchor]

BD64 is kinda obscure, NGL.

[calm lichen]

For a more classic experience 35 and for modded/UZDoom I do 125+

[native anchor]

An unofficial 2.666/Veteran of Hell version was made for BD64, but it doesn't include Lost Levels.

[calm lichen]

It also doesn’t sound very appealing with all its new enemies

I don’t really like the addition of new enemies in BD

Like BD1 adds mancubus and the spider guys to Doom 1 which is not great

[oak adder]

unfortunately I have to put final doom on hold because I gotta finish some other games in my catalog

[calm lichen]

Won’t be missing much

Plutonia is a good experience but TNT blows ass

I’m an avid Final Doom hater

[oak adder]

yeah true final doom is doom but for masochists lol

[calm lichen]

Plutonia is a great intro into the harder parts of Doom

Along with Sigil

[native anchor]

It's like the Super Mario Bros 2 of Classic Doom, if you know what I mean.

[oak adder]

yeah

[native anchor]

As in the Japanese one.

[calm lichen]

Eh, I feel Doom RPG 1&2 are the Mario 2 of Classic Doom

Same world but so disconnected in every way

Final Doom is like the Sonic CD of Doom

[native anchor]

I said the Japanese Super Mario Bros 2.

The REAL Super Mario Bros 2.

[calm lichen]

The one known in the US as Mario The Lost Levels?

[native anchor]

That one.

That's what Final Doom feels like.

[calm lichen]

Oh yeah I totally agree

Though Final Doom ain’t shit in the face of Legacy Of Rust

Now thats an ass kicking official wad

TNT is one of 4 wads I’ve beaten with a doubled enemy count on UV

Because its just that ez

[native anchor]

Plutonia however? That's more hellish for sure.

[exotic vault]

How brutal is map 32 in doom 64 I died like 10 times before I could actually get through it and I've never played the map before I had to do a lot of saving and loading to actually get through it in the end.

[calm lichen]

Is map 32 the Motherdemon?

Or is that the secret level

Cause the secret level is pretty hard

Not impossible or anything but definitely rough

[exotic vault]

The secret level.

[exotic vault]

Actually watched a guide to find out how to get to it.

[torpid yacht]

Ugh, I hope I can tolerate it
Not going thru another REKKR again.

[jovial snow]

What's doubled enemy count?

[calm lichen]

Just means I doubled the amount of enemies

[torpid yacht]

UV+/UV Plus. Coop monsters.

[wind night]

did anyone have the og doom on flopydisc?

[sharp wyvern]

Idk abt that comparison

[exotic vault]

I like that you don't lose achievements if you warp to random levels in doom 64 remaster.

[crystal hill]

it's not really cheating since you lose all your weapons

[median cloud]

Legacy of Rust is tougher than Plutonia?

[exotic vault]

That's understandable.

[median cloud]

I still have yet to beat Legacy of rust but more so because I just haven't gotten around to playing it

[crystal hill]

I've heard that it's harder

but its also half the mapsize

[calm lichen]

In my opinion yeah, the final fight of Legacy on UV/nightmare is rough

I found it harder than Plutonia

[median cloud]

Not sure if you've played other custom mappacks as well but is there one you could compare it to in terms of difficulty

or is it more of a "slightly harder than plutonia" pack

[calm lichen]

I’ve played tons of other maps and best comparison I could think of is Plutonia with the ruthlessness of Sigil II

Its got new monsters and some new weapons that really change the game

[median cloud]

aha I never finished Sigil II

Not a big fan of D1 mappacks

[calm lichen]

I enjoy them

Honestly Legacy’s 2nd episodes finale borders slaughtermap territory

[median cloud]

the last map or the one prior?

The one prior is the one with tons of imps

[calm lichen]

Both honestly

[median cloud]

or maybe that's the last one and the other I'm thinking of is a secret

[calm lichen]

Even the second level of Legacy is way harder than you’d expect

[median cloud]

E1M2?

[calm lichen]

Yeah

[median cloud]

I did beat that one

[calm lichen]

But I call it E6 since its a D1 expansion

E5 is Sigil

[median cloud]

I think I finished E1M10 and then quit for some reason

[median cloud]

Wait are we talking LoR or Sigil 2?

[calm lichen]

Legacy is E6

I don’t really consider Sigil II in my Doom storyline head canon

[crystal hill]

Wait, Legacy of Rust isnt a Doom 1 expansion

[median cloud]

LoR has a SSG but is a D1 expansion thats news to me

[calm lichen]

Story wise I thought it was

[crystal hill]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Legacy_of_Rust

[crystal hill]

I judge it based on the games

Sigil is an official unofficial E5, Sigil 2 is E6 because both are for Doom 1

[median cloud]

You know I might play some LoR today though I can't remember if I'm doing pistol start or continuous

Usually I pistol start new wads but with official packs I for some reason want to play continuous

[crystal hill]

Final Doom, the Master Levels, NRFTL and now Legacy of Rust are all for Doom 2 and are all therefore seperate from the D1 episodes

[calm lichen]

Well thats my bad

Honestly didn’t think of it as Doom II story which was dumb of me

I still ignore Sigil 2. I like it but doesn’t fit for me as E6

[sharp wyvern]

id say roughly similar levels of difficulty

[sharp wyvern]

it's a Doom 2 expansion :p

[sharp wyvern]

Legacy would be between Doom II and 64..?

[calm lichen]

I literally just got corrected dawg

[sharp wyvern]

why doesnt it fit for u as e6

[calm lichen]

Honestly hard to put into words but it just doesn’t sit with me

Sigil II as stupid as it sounds feels more Sigil than Doom 1

Fuck it, later I’m playing Sigil II again

I haven’t played since 3 weeks after its release

But I’ve played Sigil like 40 times

So I guess my view of Sigil being E5 is my love for it like how I consider Doom Zero in my canon despite it being just another Doom II wad

[median cloud]

I played a couple of Doom Zero maps but I dont see the appeal at all

The maps are ugly and the combat seems very novice

Just spamming tons of monsters in a corner but not like slaughtermaps do

it feels like a "Timmy's first wad" experience

[crystal hill]

but everyone here sees to love it

while I've never heard of it spoken about outside of this server

[calm lichen]

I like Doom Zero, its a great starter wad for people who just beat Doom II

[crystal hill]

I dunno about that. The puzzle focus is quite unusual for Doom wads

not to say it's a bad thing, but as a first wad after Doom II, that might give people the wrong expectations

[median cloud]

Yeah I've honestly given Doom Zero about 4 tries now and only on the 4th one got past map 2

[calm lichen]

I don’t really see its issues outside of the visuals

[median cloud]

I played until map 7

and I just don't like it that much I don't get the appeal at all

[crystal hill]

It's the wad I am most curious to play out of the cacowards

because of how many people seem to love it, and how it sounds like not my thing at all

[calm lichen]

Its not gonna be stand out or anything, but its still a good starter wad but nowhere as good as Nerve and Sigil

[crystal hill]

puzzle wads make me think of jim flynn's works in and outside of the master levels

[calm lichen]

Better Doom Zero puzzles than the mess that is pre-H+H Hexen puzzles

[median cloud]

If you just beat Doom 2 I'd just tell you to play either TNT or Plutonia tbf

[crystal hill]

my picks for a good starter wad would be Whispers of Satan or Vanguard

[crystal hill]

oh yes, absolutely, but I thought we meant after the mainline stuff

[median cloud]

I think after beating Plutonia you can go the Eviternity route or something

But I'm thinking in terms of difficulty

[calm lichen]

I wouldn’t in good faith recommend anyone Final Doom’s TNT but I’m TNT’s biggest hater

Major slog fest

Plutonia though is solid

[crystal hill]

you're speaking to the wrong guy then lol

Even if you dislike TNT, I think it's worth at least one playthrough, like all the other classics

[median cloud]

I disliked TNT on first playthrough but I like it a lot now. On that note I could understand advising Plutonia

[crystal hill]

its like a pilgrimage to a holy site of Doom

[calm lichen]

Sigil, Plutonia, and Nerve are my suggestions for post mainline wads

[crystal hill]

the last two are mainline, no?

and sigil arguably is as well

[calm lichen]

I’m talking after beating Doom 1 and 2

[median cloud]

After Plutonia I'd suggest like Eviternity, TNT Revilution, Valiant, Ancient Aliens, Scythe 1

[calm lichen]

Those are what I consider mainline while FD and Sigil are expansions to me

[calm lichen]

BTSX and Legacy first

[median cloud]

Not a big BTSX fan but it's a good shout

[calm lichen]

Smooth you into the fields of difficulty

[median cloud]

if you want harder you can go Hell Revealed, Alien Vendetta, Speed of Doom, Scythe 2, Plutonia 2

[calm lichen]

Yeah me neither

Auger Zenith is a fucking must play

Probably my favorite wad of all time

[median cloud]

Yeah Augur Zenith is on my todo list as well

[crystal hill]

you need to play it

it's my favourite doom wad for the world/atmosphere

[calm lichen]

Its actually peak

[median cloud]

I'm curently playing through TNT Devilution but it's pretty meh

[crystal hill]

I used to consider it my favourite non ZDoom wad, but Going Down probably has it beat

[calm lichen]

Welcome to anything TNT

[crystal hill]

still a solid number 2

[median cloud]

Maybe I'll drop it for Augur Zenith but a part of me doesn't want to play peak yet out of fear of not enjoying other custom wads as much anymore

[median cloud]

Nah TNT Revilution is peak, one of my fav wads

[crystal hill]

TNT Revilution isn't bad, though its kinda forgettable

[median cloud]

I disagree TNT Revilution is probably in my top 3 wads I've played

Eviternity as well

[calm lichen]

TNT Rev is major high-mid tier

[crystal hill]

I like Revilution well enough, but it's definitely not carving out a niche for itself on my playlist of wads

its no Plutonia 2 thats for sure

[calm lichen]

True

[median cloud]

After Doom 2 you could also play Nostalgia or Requiem

Requiem is a classic

[calm lichen]

Anything but Rekkr or whatever its called

[crystal hill]

I wouldnt recommend that anyway because its a TC

Regardless of it's quality

[calm lichen]

Also, every Doom fan should play Chex Quest

[crystal hill]

its not bad either, but it suffers from a mild case of 90sitis

[calm lichen]

Yeah, just outdated

[crystal hill]

that was directed at the requiem comment, oops

[calm lichen]

Oh gotcha

[crystal hill]

not rekkr, thats from the 2010s

still, compared to other wads of the time, Requiem might be top 5 or so

[calm lichen]

To think that was 16 years ago

Whats that one wad thats like a movie recreation of Knee Deep In The Dead?

[crystal hill]

Knee Deep in Knee Deep in ZDoom

[calm lichen]

Knee Deep in Knee Deep In The Dead right?

[crystal hill]

it's a demake of the original Knee Deep in ZDoom

[calm lichen]

Gotcha, I still gotta finish it

I dropped it in order to play Amalagoom which was great

[median cloud]

Requiem is a bit dated but way better than memento mori thats for sure

[crystal hill]

oh yes

MM1 sucks. MM2 has potential but drops off towards the end

Requiem is at least fine throughout

[calm lichen]

Y’know, I really gotta play Triad

Its one of the only big name FPS’ I haven’t played

[sharp wyvern]

really? it's like one of the more popular wads i think

[sharp wyvern]

it picked up in the later maps

[crystal hill]

honestly, no

No one I watch has covered it, to my knowledge, or spoken about it

[sharp wyvern]

i see it everywhere

[crystal hill]

I also didnt play it when playing the Top 100 Most Memorable Maps because it wasnt out at that time

[wintry copper]

Requiem's pretty good though it's very inconsistent and you can tell it was rushed to release

[crystal hill]

yeah, some of the maps are very undercooked

but they wanted it out before Quake came out and killed the Doom modding scene

[wintry copper]

Militant Reprisal (MAP12) feels very unfinished and has a lot of inaccessible secrets and 3 of the levels were originally intended for Demonfear's final episode but Adam Windsor donated them to Requiem so that it could be finished

[wintry copper]

Quake had already been out for a year so at that point they were worried that Doom was going to die out moddingwise bc Quake was technically far more advanced

oh yeah speaking of undercooked what the hell is Den of the Skull (MAP21) even supposed to be lmao

[crystal hill]

oh, I must have gotten my dates mixed up then

[wintry copper]

yeah Requiem came out in '97

[crystal hill]

I thought it released just before Quake, my bad

[wintry copper]

by then Quake II was well on its way, and all good lol

[crystal hill]

yeah, so, people thought it would be the last big Doom release ever, which it was for a while

[wintry copper]

meanwhile the likes of Roger Ritenour and Malcolm Sailor would hold down the fort in those years

oh yeah and Tormentor667 released the original version of Torment and Torture in 2000

[crystal hill]

Chord 3 is one of the rare single level wads I'm really a fan of

[wintry copper]

that's on my to-play list

[crystal hill]

the combat is so refined for 2000, it's crazy

[crystal hill]

expect a lot of resistance, but its a challenge worth conquering

you need to figure out what the level wants from you, then do it

[wintry copper]

yeah I've heard he is kinda stingy with pickups

I'll def take that into account

[crystal hill]

I played some of his maps outside the Chord series, and I wasnt too impressed though

dont remember the name of the wad

Roger Ritenour made Earth which I disliked, but he then made some mapset called Phobos, I think, which was much better

[wintry copper]

yea I liked Phobos quite a lot when I played it years ago

Earth had some pretty cool special effects but not sure whether I liked it gameplay wise lol

[crystal hill]

visually, Earth was great, especially for the time

gameplay wise, no thanks

[wintry copper]

yeah I remember it being a bit clunky in that department

[crystal hill]

Phobos mightve been my 3rd or 4th favourite wad from 98

[wintry copper]

oh yeah there was also Assault on Tei Tenga for the ZDoom WADs, played it a bit but don't think I made it very far

[median cloud]

I think I got to map 14 of Requiem before quitting

[wintry copper]

DW has it as the #3 for that year in their 10 Years of Doom feature

[crystal hill]

its an early ZDoom one, and uh, not the best one

[wintry copper]

yeah that level was pretty meh

[median cloud]

I have so many unfinished mapsets to go through that I can barely remember what the last map I played was

[crystal hill]

That's what got me to play it, yeah

[median cloud]

I know dsda doom has a level tracker but I play old packs in chocolate doom

[crystal hill]

I dunno if they strictly rank them from 1 to 10 though, based on the memento mori 1 and 2 reviews

[wintry copper]

I know BPRD was bummed that Equinox didn't get a lot of attention but at least the DW guys placed it #6 for 2001 in that article

speaking of 90s WADs I remember Fava Beans being pretty good

the maps do feel a lot like the originals in almost a DTWID way

[crystal hill]

most of the Doom 1 wads featured in the cacowards are inoffensive

Fava Beans included. It's fine, it's okay, nothing special at all

maybe worth a play for veterans trying to recapture some DOom 1 magic

[wintry copper]

yeah

[median cloud]

what port do u guys play on?

[crystal hill]

UZDoom

[wintry copper]

UZDoom generally, though I used dsda-doom for a bit

[crystal hill]

don't care much to switch to others for really any reason

[wintry copper]

I liked the more vanilla look and feel of DSDA-Doom, though I realized it's quite easy to replicate in UZDoom if you know what settings to change

well now it's more about look for me at this point

[crystal hill]

There are a handful of ZDoom wads I really enjoy playing, and so they alone would keep me on UZDoom

not to mention other QoL features

[median cloud]

I got like 3 ports for that reason lol

Chocolate Doom: to get the 90s doomer experience purely for old vanilla wads
Dsda-Doom: for every other wad
UZdoom: for mods

[median cloud]

Playing on chocolate doom also adds some difficulty but I've since gotten pretty used to it

[mortal silo]

Woof for the controller support

[median cloud]

Woof is a fork from dsda doom right?

Doesn't it have some other QOL changes like coloured blood

Iirc Zero Master also used Woof

[mortal silo]

Yeah I think it has everything and is super simple

[median cloud]

Woof apparently runs better at higher framerates

[true urchin]

i am once again asking for mapset recommendations that are roughly vanilla doom 2ish levels of difficulty

[median cloud]

What map has the highest monster count in commercial doom?

Im thinking Mount Pain in tnt or refueling base in doom 2

[median cloud]

Icarus, Requiem, Nostalgia, perditions gate, no rest for the living

[bitter shoal]

Go2It has to be up there

it's literally a slaughter map

[median cloud]

Only has 205 monsters

In count surpassed by many

[crystal hill]

it only has 28 fewer monsters than central processing from Doom 1 lol

refueling base has more than Go 2 It

[bitter shoal]

damn

[median cloud]

Its either refueling base or mount pain Im pretty sure

Depends on if you count lost souls or not

[crystal hill]

Its always been weird to me how the base game does not

[median cloud]

Pain elementals ig

[crystal hill]

not in doom 1

[median cloud]

But makes no sense for doom 1

Maybe cuz they dont leave a corpse behind

[bitter shoal]

it was a retroactive change since Ultimate DOOM is a retrofitted DOOM 2 engine

or rather they made that change while they ere updating the engine into making DOOM 2

[crystal hill]

neither do pain elementals

[true urchin]

thank you

[lavish dome]

how do i play fall out?

tough crowd

[true urchin]

sir this is a doom discord

[lavish dome]

where do i need to go?

[true urchin]

idk

fall out discord ig?

[lavish dome]

lol idk too

[true urchin]

we play doom here sir

[languid quarry]

Bethesda game studios I guess?

[lavish dome]

i went to fallout. com and it brought me here

[languid quarry]

There is a Fallout Doom mod

[lavish dome]

thank you!

i hope i did not interrupt your game

BRB.

TJ are you coming to work today?

[daring plover]

Classic Doom 2 and Doom 64 were hard I couldn’t even finish them. I only finished classic Doom 1

[main ibex]

who is bro talking to

[bitter shoal]

TJ

you know... TJ

got the DJ role down to a T I'm sorry that was terrible

[torpid yacht]

Finish it Goku

[torpid yacht]

To TJ

[median cloud]

For the people who use dsda doom, do you use uncapped fps? And does it have some mouse lag

[worn scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doomguy-gif-15980962764398322199

[torpid yacht]

Ok

[fresh glacier]

Damn ancient aliens is hard asf

[median cloud]

Is it?

Dang I recommended it to someone saying it was Doom 2 level whoops

[crystal hill]

its about plutonia level, maybe a bitharder

[median cloud]

Alright I beat TNT2 Map 32, hardest one until now

[exotic vault]

Are there any Candyland like or pink aesthetic doom mods? Just curious because my sister wants to try them out.

[true urchin]

level one opens with you dancing around a cyberdemon baiting it into mowing through like 100+ total enemies or something iirc

its rough

creative, but rough

[halcyon willow]

Technicolour Antichrist Box

Pink as fuck

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/114763-technicolor-antichrist-box-final-now-on-idgames/

Pretty spicy combat

[median cloud]

Anyone here played the 1994tu wad?

[exotic vault]

My sister hasn't really played the game that much so I don't know if she can put up with the slaughter Style? Is it true that slaughter Style turns off if you go with hurt me plenty or a lower difficulty.

[crystal hill]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/1994_Tune-up_Community_Project this thing?

[median cloud]

Yep

It used to be played a lot on skulltag/zandronum with a doom mod

Never played it properly tho

[crystal hill]

ehhhhh

I'm not a fan of 1994 maps. And these are just 1994 maps with a new coat of paint and some tweaks

[whole notch]

I just completed Doom 1993 on both GameBoy Original and Game Boy Advance and it was fun playing it both on there :]

[main ibex]

isn't the gameboy port one of those low-power ones they had to cut stuff from

ig that was most of them

3do soundtrack was fire though 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[bitter shoal]

OG Gameboy?

[bitter shoal]

IIRC the DOOM II GBA port actually has the most stuff out of most console ports. It also used Southpaw Engine instead of whatever DOOM I GBA did so it is better optimized I belielve.

[vapid plank]

hi/привіт

[exotic vault]

Why are doom 64 levels so confusing to get through? Just curious

[vapid plank]

Xd

[exotic vault]

What???

[oak adder]

its like that first time playing it

[exotic vault]

Well it is my first time playing it.

[oak adder]

exactly so you're bound to make some mistakes

[exotic vault]

I realized that I just meant like it's maze for me in level 8 and I'm lucky there's a map function in the game so I know where to go if I get lost.

[oak adder]

yep

[whole notch]

[crystal hill]

they're designed to be more maze-y than the other classics

[modern peak]

in doom 64 they dont have enough disk space so instead of enemies they made the map design the main enemy

[sharp veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663786269825826836/1458512867103080469/Gimokodan_-_DOOM_2__Hell_on_Earth_01_07_2026_20_30_29.jpg?ex=69609235&is=695f40b5&hm=55fd8543688f79387310c863b1b48be962645af0d03abb56d2b0d03b76aa2bb5&

on map 19 of The Warp, each map is more ball bustingly difficult than the last

[crystal hill]

never heard of that wad before

[sharp veldt]

https://youtu.be/w-0a2tEAdcs

Tough as balls and every level is pistol start. Good luck.

map 17 opens with archvile spawning right in your face 👍

[crystal hill]

looks very nice

since it was a runner up for the cacowards, I'll be sure to get to it... eventually

[median cloud]

How difficult would you say it is?

[sharp veldt]

Hard to gauge for me but I'd say it's like 11 plutonias because of the sheer cruelty used

[crystal hill]

the forced pistol starts make me think it'll be somewhat easier for people who are used to those

[median cloud]

Any other custom mappacks you've played you can compare it to

[crystal hill]

since the levels are explicitly designed for pistol starting, more so than other wads

[sharp veldt]

All I can really think of Plutonia for comparison because most maps are pretty compact and cruel. Although I played both Eviternity wads, both SIGIL wads, Going Down Turbo and then some

and last month i also finished Deep Breath wad

[sharp veldt]

I think it works in the favour of The Warp because it keeps monster count moderate and they generally give you enough resources to make it through, unlike say SIGIL where you'll have to be more careful because you have barely enough ammo.

[crystal hill]

I do like my levels small and deadly, like Plutonia

can't wait to play this wad in about a year's time, lol

As to what I'm playing now - JPCP is quite disappointing. I remember liking it a lot more on my first or second playthrough, but its just not doing it for me. A lot of the maps are too amateurish

meanwhile, Bloodstain is quite solid, minus some frustrations (like starting many levels underequipped for the enemies ahead), which isn't what I expected from the guy who made my least favourite Plutonia 2 map

[median cloud]

Which one?

[crystal hill]

Assassin, by Pipicz

[median cloud]

I'm currently still going through TNT2 Devilution and it's alright. Some maps better than others, a bit on the easier side of Doom Wads.

[median cloud]

Ah yeah hate that map

especially since it's right past lurking fear which is a hard one

[crystal hill]

Assassin is less hard than it is bullshit and annoying

and a bad map in a wad like Plutonia 2 sticks out like a sore thumb

[median cloud]

I found eviternity 2 to be a bit difficult but I haven't finished it yet. At Map 27 now

[median cloud]

Also hate the style personally

[crystal hill]

that being said, map 23 is kicking my ass right now lol

but I'll take a bit of cruelty over a mess of levels any day

[sharp veldt]

They're different kind of difficult but man i enjoyed Eviternity 1 & 2 because of varied scenery

[sharp veldt]

I'll just say that final boss is going to be a... rather unique experience

[exotic vault]

You could always mix it with brutal doom so you can have different weapons starts.

[sharp veldt]

I think i became a gameplay purist as the years went by , so much so I don't even use mouse look except for when i played After Doom

[crystal hill]

I'm in the same boat. I dont like modifying the gameplay of wads, that fundamentally changes the experience

[sharp veldt]

the skyboxes there are breathtaking

[crystal hill]

mouselook only goes on on wads that were built with it in mind

[exotic vault]

I agree. I only use brutal doom because it's really fun to mix other mods the only ones I don't do is the dot pk3 because they don't work with brutal doom whatsoever.

[crystal hill]

having played Brutal Doom, it's neat, but it changes how I play a map too much for me to want to use it, especially the first time round

[sharp veldt]

BD HoE starter pack is awesome ngl

[crystal hill]

what's that?

[sharp veldt]

basically a campaign designed for Brutal Doom

[crystal hill]

ooooh, that

well, that's a completely different kettle of fish

[sharp veldt]

essentially Doom 1 & 2 in single package

[crystal hill]

A gameplay mod with its own dedicated maps I think is more than fine

I'd call that a total conversion

[median cloud]

Have become similar

I used to be mod heavy or atleast mouselook but nowadays I play almost purely vanilla

Even going as far as to play in chocolate doom if I can

funnily enough that port does run nicely

[crystal hill]

well, its quite barebones

which is the point, so its not a flaw

[exotic vault]

Could you give me a link to that?