classic-doom

[tame finch]

fuck..

IT'S OUT

[little oar]

If you mean one that's just the exe you have to run, yeah
zdoom.org/downloads has it

[tame finch]

it's on the github page

[crystal hill]

That might work, but I don't think it did for me, for whatever reason

[little oar]

That works too

[tame finch]

I'm underwhelmed

it's slow on some regular mods

DOOM 3D has too many bugs present that arent in GZDOOM

[crystal hill]

Never heard of Doom 3D

Could be a problem with the wad

[tame finch]

everything i use (wads, mods, etc) are the same ones i used in GZDOOM

[crystal hill]

Odd

I've switched from GZDoom to UZDoom recently and I dont notice any difference in performance

[tame finch]

eh, my computers jank anyways. brutal doom and chex quest work great

[thick glade]

going down has me screaming ribs visible eyes bloodshot typing away trying to beat map12

[median cloud]

Alrighttt I beat av map 27 pistol start in one go

run took 38 mins and a bunch more tries than map 25

Was tough

[crystal hill]

that was tough on first playthrough for me as well

the trick is to remember you can stand in the middle, on the brown sludge, without taking damage

also, remember that infighting is possible and is your friend throughout that map

[thick glade]

ill keep that in mind when i try agai nin a couple hours

[crystal hill]

congrats

[crystal hill]

I'm playing the "final" map of 50 Shades of Greytall. I can't tell if TimeofDeath is a genius, a sadist or both

[median cloud]

Hes a savant for sure

[crystal hill]

it's a map that requires aggression

going in close to two tap the cybers makes it a lot easier than playing safe

more health AND more ammo

[crystal hill]

just beat it

I've had problems controlling my anger when playing Doom recently, but I never once lost my cool with this one, despite it being quite difficult. The challenge seemed fair, and I blamed myself when I died rather than the game

I'm going to be following Mr ofDeath's career with great interest from here on out

[native anchor]

Is GUS emulated or Native MIDI just not a thing for Crispy Doom on Linux? Those wouldn't work for me on Steam Deck, so I could only use OPL.

[finite crag]

Yup it’s official
I’m bored of TnT evilution

Got to level 20…can’t get be bothered to get through the rest

[native anchor]

TNT feels like a Metroidvania.

It's Metroid Prime before Metroid Prime was even a thing.

[main ibex]

isn't that the huge level where the proportion of monsters to room size is horrendously low?

[finite crag]

Yeah super open area
Looks like it trying to be some massive military complex or something

[finite crag]

Ah that’s why I don’t like it huh
I never like Metroid

[native anchor]

Can you be able to beat E3M8 via pistol start without infighting?

[bitter shoal]

they give you a plasma so I think so? Probably very improbable to not have SOME infighting even by accident though

[native anchor]

And a bunch of rockets and cells. It's probably possible.

[native anchor]

Who else thinks Doom 64 is more of a spinoff rather than mainline?

Even though it is still within the timleine.

[little oar]

You can make the argument it still is a spinoff since it isn't an id-created game (developed by Midway), and if you asked that a few years ago I'd agree that it def was a spinoff
But with how much attention it got with a proper port (and being tied with Eternal in some ways) it definitely feels like a mainline entry now. Marketing changed a lot of how it's viewed I guess

[bitter shoal]

at worst it is the third Final DOOM game, at best it is the third classic doom mainline entry

[native anchor]

Well it's kinda both.

[native anchor]

I guess you can give that same logic to Final Doom. But it was mainly adervtised as expansion packs for Doom 2.

And it even came with the Classic Doom trilogy collectors edition.

[little oar]

Final DOOM is a really funky one since it is technically just DOOM II, yes, but it's completely separate in the sense of not being wads like Master Levels levels were
They were fully runnable separate
Personally I see Final DOOM as a separate game entirely for that reason, since you can play them without owning either DOOM or DOOM II

[native anchor]

Well, standalone expansion packs then.

[buoyant sphinx]

Doom 64 for life! ❤️

[crystal hill]

But Metroid Prime is a game you like exploring through

[crystal hill]

Its silly to not rely on infighting if you ask me. May as well use it

Lots of maps are easier if you let the monsters kill each other. Its maybe the best way to deal with a cyberdemon

[bitter shoal]

it is an interesting thought experiment still to think about how much the devs might've intended you to in fight to solve situations. Although now that I think about it isn't it JUST the Spider Mastermind on lower difficulties?

[crystal hill]

Nope, theres cacos on all difficulties

[median cloud]

HR map 26 is tough man gotta do it all with just a ssg

[crystal hill]

I didnt play HR past the first third or so

SSGing 40 barons in a row isnt my idea of fun

[median cloud]

Dont disagree but im just playing classic hard maps now

[crystal hill]

fair enough

I don't force myself to finish maps/wads I obviously don't enjoy, otherwise I'd grow to despise this game

[bitter shoal]

only reason I intend to play TNT is to learn the maps to appreciate the Almalgoom more

[crystal hill]

that seems unfair to TNT

And coming from me, that's saying something

it's not without merit, and should be played on it's own terms, rather than to prop up another wad

[bitter shoal]

doesn't mean I can't see stuff I like in it

[crystal hill]

no, but you seem ready to dislike it from the word go

[bitter shoal]

maybe

[crystal hill]

I think that's unfair

people here like TNT, and you may very well be one of them

[bitter shoal]

I actually already played some of it lately and liked some of what I played more than I expected, I did think map 08 has a section where it falls apart though

[crystal hill]

why didn't you finish it?

[bitter shoal]

because I didn't yet. My computer that I play on is out of commission right now.

[median cloud]

I get this thats why I have a lot of unfinished playthroughs

[crystal hill]

fair enough

[crystal hill]

so do I, but I don't consider them to be unfinished. I'm not planning or hoping to go back to them ever

[median cloud]

Yeah for me its mostly to feel like I completer them and only having to do 1 map is less taxing than an entire wad

[bitter shoal]

I was going to wait until after I completed TNT to talk about it, since I figured I would get asked why I was playing it (thus why I needed an excuse to play it), wasn't expecting the opposite response really

[crystal hill]

TNT is one of the classics

that alone justifies at least playing it once IMO. Same logic goes for the master levels

[crystal hill]

if you like playing one map out of a wad to see how it is, I've got a good list for you

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Top_100_Most_Memorable_Maps

you get to play some of the most well known maps in Doom by following this list

[median cloud]

Yeah know the list

Played a grand total of 0 ancient aliens maps except map 20

Because of the list

[crystal hill]

how's that work?

were you avoiding those maps because they're on the list?

[median cloud]

No I played that special ancient aliens map because it was on the list

just havent felt a desire to play through ancient aliens for the rest

[crystal hill]

I reccomend you do so. It's a good wad

[median cloud]

Map 24*

[crystal hill]

when I played through the top 100 list and found a map I liked, I generally went back and played the whole wad

found classics like Speed of Doom that way

[sharp wyvern]

id flip flops between whether they count as a separate game or dlcs

[sharp wyvern]

rn the official id statement is that they're "doom ii episodes" so yea u right

[median cloud]

Yeah HR map 26 is kicking my ass damn

[cunning gust]

Back when I was in a very dark place last year, playing classic Doom games (besides the modern ones) is a best coping mechanism I've ever used

[odd vine]

I find it the opposite. I love shoving meathook up a demons throat and in full graphics they get their head exploded and their body punched against a wall.

[crystal hill]

I've used cookie clicker for that in the past. Just something to keep my mind on, vaguely interested

back to doom - having played most of Crumpets, I've come to realise that I just don't mesh with Ribbicks maps, easy or hard

[native anchor]

E4M6 is such a nerve wracking level.

[cinder sapphire]

how many spider masterminds do you think the average custom wad player has slain? several hundreds? thousands?

[torpid yacht]

Stopped at map 14 at Going Down
So far its very good wad👍

The library map is the toughest so far.

[true charm]

yo

picked up doom 1 and 2 on sale

love it

[crystal hill]

Really? Hard Target is what most people would say is the hardest of the first 14

[median cloud]

HR Map 26 might be the hardest map I've attempted to beat in a single segment

Tho Eviternity 2 map 26 also took me a lot of tries

Damn map 26's

[dry flicker]

Hi, i recently bought doom 1 + 2 and i wanna get into all the mods and stuff cuz they look really fun, but i dont what i should start with and some mods are still a little too difficult to me. What mod/expansion would you guys recommed to a beginner like me?

[bitter shoal]

probably final doom and the sigil episodes

[crystal hill]

I wouldn't recommend Sigil 1, or especially 2, for a newcomer

[crystal hill]

I'd recommend going in order of release, really - Doom 1, then 2, then Master Levels, then TNT, then Plutonia. If you want custom stuff, Fava Beans isn't a bad place to start

[oblique dove]

Anyone here don't like the E2 M1 from LoR or its just me?

[crystal hill]

@sharp wyvern is our resident LoR enjoyer

[sharp wyvern]

Wazzap

[sharp wyvern]

I understand why you wouldn’t like it cause it’s a hard fucking level but I really like how it emphasises how Doomguy is on the backfoot after being ambushed and it pushes you to be more ammo conscious and occasionally get your fists dirty

Also banger OST

[oblique dove]

I can't lie bc I literally got stuck on that one level like two weeks

[sharp wyvern]

but yeah it took me forever to beat so I get the hate lol

[oblique dove]

I REALLY love that expansion

[umbral shale]

Just save scum

[oblique dove]

Fr

Bonk its like a REALLY good song

But that level god I hate it

[sharp wyvern]

Bonk is awesome lol

[oblique dove]

After that I literally beat Falsehood in one run

[lucid thunder]

i love doom :3

[crystal hill]

haven't heard anyone talk about Skulldash before, which is a shame because it's really very good

I don't like speedrunning much, but this wad isn't too harsh on the player, while still encouraging them to go very quickly

[odd vine]

Is this also the Doom 2 chat?

[twin mortar]

Yes

[odd vine]

Alr

[main ibex]

if it's before doom 3 it goes here

[odd vine]

Ok

[torpid yacht]

Idk which one is that, dont remember the names 💀

[crystal hill]

you can look it up

wait, you can't, I confused the maps. Oops

[torpid yacht]

Is it where there's a big spider,

[crystal hill]

I was thinking of map 10, trip switch. Not the library one, the one which ends in a sewer like thing and you getting surrounded by enemies

[crystal hill]

that's map 7

[torpid yacht]

Ohhh
Nah it wasn't that hard I just go in circles spamming any weapon I have lol

[crystal hill]

are you playing going down turbo?

[torpid yacht]

No, turbo is for pssies according to the description

I played the original one

[crystal hill]

I thought it was too easy as well

[torpid yacht]

I wouldn't say too easy for me but it was alright

Had to punch some archno and mancubus to save ammo

Almost died there

[crystal hill]

it's doable, but it might be one of the top 5 hardest maps in the wad for me

which is pretty damning when it's that early

most other maps give you plenty of ammo and space to fight the enemies in, that one kind of doesnt

[torpid yacht]

Library was tough for me
Would take me some time to beat without saves
But not doing any of that, saves for now. So far my hardest map in doom was bstx map 24

[crystal hill]

I didnt get that far in btsx, was really bored halfway through

[torpid yacht]

Dang, I played both episodes

It gets more spicy w coop monsters

[crystal hill]

probably does, but thats not how I play doom

UV Max, pistol starting, no saves

[torpid yacht]

I did that on map 24 as a challenge

I didnt have a good time doing it on Legacy of rust so I stopped and started saving

On the last maps xD

[crystal hill]

I dont like saving, it makes everything too easy

I beat Swim with the Whales pretty easily with a bunch of saves

[torpid yacht]

I havent played that

[crystal hill]

famously difficult map

[torpid yacht]

I just dont want to spend so much time restarting

I lost my patience there haha

[median cloud]

I beat HR map 26!!!!

raaah

[torpid yacht]

Congrats 🥳

[crystal hill]

I understand that, but it's the lesser of two evils for me

better to try and play that way than to save scum my way to victory

[median cloud]

uv pistol start chocolate doom as well

was a tough map man

[crystal hill]

HR is really brutal, especially near the end

[torpid yacht]

I respect that
I do when I find a map interesting but no everytime xd

[median cloud]

Yeah I think this was the hardest map for me to beat

HR 23 also took me tons of tries back in the day

[torpid yacht]

Maybe I do revilution n swim with Wales after

[crystal hill]

if I dont find a map interesting, I just skip it

[median cloud]

TNT Revilution is good

Ive glazed it a lot in here

[crystal hill]

yeah, it's pretty neat

[torpid yacht]

Yeah im playing it after going down

[median cloud]

icl tho playing in chocolate doom does add some extra difficulty

Monsters are harder to see at distance and the 35 fps cap also gives you less time to react to stuff

But I only use it on wads that can run it so classics

[torpid yacht]

Im on ps5 so idk

[crystal hill]

I'm too used to the ZDoom ports to use anything else really

I'll try to play the official wads on the Kex port, see how I feel about that one

[median cloud]

I do use dsda doom as well for limit removing wads

And I played through the kex port as well

uzdoom for mods

Probably taking a break from Doom now again tho

[feral temple]

Help

I can't beat MAP03: Spirit Drains from Legacy of Rust

More like I can't do it without save scumming
Something I've never did

(which is why I've never beaten Plutonia)

[torpid yacht]

That map almost made me savescum, but ended up doing it on the last map

[coral wedge]

I’m playing GZDoom (sorry if this is the wrong channel) and I was wondering if there was a way to make the sprites less blurry/fuzzy through settings? I’ve been tweaking for like 10 minutes but im not a nerd so idk what to do. Could anyone help?

[twin mortar]

Look for anti aliasing or texture filtering in the settings. Make sure they are off

[main ibex]

I think UZDoom has that disabled by default...

[coral wedge]

This worked, thank you so much man!

[main ibex]

I think, idk I didn't wanna install another doom port

[desert tinsel]

Odamex Monday Night Horde is starting now if anyone wants to play horde mode with us (survival cooperative)

[eager solstice]

doomscroll dot cx kicks ass.

[median cloud]

Has anyone played TNT 2: Devilution?

[vital patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doomguy-mug-meme-mug-doom-eternal-gif-23149506

[crystal hill]

2015 might be the best year for the cacowards thus far

it has some bad stuff, but a lot of top notch stuff as well ignore the fact that my top two picks are both GZDoom related

[bitter shoal]

makes sense, that sounds like a year where the community largely has stuff figured out and tools are newer

(I use "a" year, I don't know when that trend actually begins and trying to figure that out is probably like trying to figure out when Simpsons actually started being bad)

[weak bison]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv9mQY3sMDI

[median trellis]

I just finished Neon Overdrive and it was easily one of the most beautiful WADs I've ever played

[candid birch]

https://x.com/i/status/2003471262421848173

Because of course it does

Juko 𓅨 (@jukoist)

Btw to everyone surprised by how much you can code on your ao3 fics: it can run doom.

https://t.co/oN0QaFESvK

X · Dec 23, 2025, 2:22 PM

[weak bison]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkFAgUuNlJ8

[cedar yacht]

Hi guys! What fov do you use for ports without free look?

[twin mortar]

74 since that is the 16:9 equivalent to 4:3's 90

[calm lichen]

110 for basically every shooter game

Am I stupid or is making brightmaps for stuff hard?

I cannot find a tutorial for it at all

[main ibex]

I'm used to 90... am I playing wrong

[calm lichen]

No

You play however you wanna

I just like 110 because it makes me feel faster

There isn’t really any way to play a game wrong

[remote nexus]

my dad showed me this 4-6 years ago and i loved it so much

[main ibex]

how do I convince a random redditor to switch from decorate to zscript?

[desert tinsel]

yell at them

[bitter shoal]

Amazing

[analog ridge]

If I put shocktroopers and chaingun bobs in a room and have them fight each other I wonder who will win

[solemn socket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1450062150658953278/1453087420022132797/crispy-doom_bPlYVrS50K.gif?ex=694c2c9d&is=694adb1d&hm=63e0d7364f9bf57106e4d75a61e7f60f6a41560384623ce0b0c3bd2610e4c567& machete for the commodore flying free community project

[bitter shoal]

I like the alien design.

[solemn socket]

it was based on illostrious666’s concept art, plus the sprites were made by BUBBLES

i did the dehacked

[median cloud]

Think fov in doom is standard 90?

[twin mortar]

In 4:3 yes, in 16:9 it's 74

[bitter shoal]

I don't know how to figure out what is for the original DOS version (I assume it is 90 for simplicity's sake) but it is higher when using multiple monitors

well not multiple monitors, multiple entire computers networked

it probably is 90 because the left and right monitors when you do that are viewing to your immediate left and right

[median cloud]

Wonder if source ports automatically account for this

[twin mortar]

D+D2 does

[bitter shoal]

I don't know if ZDOOM based ports do becacuse they have a POV slider

[median cloud]

What about dsda doom?

I think most ppl play in 1080p these days so I assume the fov accounts for that

[bitter shoal]

I just loaded DSDA DOOM to see, its aspect ratio and screen resolution settings are separate and aspect ratio does affecct FOV. There isn't a dedicated FOV setting that I ccacn see

[meager plume]

so uhh... gzdoom aint working and im tryna play pink valley. gives me vulkan not found and R_opengl when i start doom. can anyone help me?

[pine acorn]

Hey folks, where can I submit a bug report for unexpected behavior observed in DOOM + DOOM II (Kex port)?

[fierce junco]

E2M4 is gonna be thw death of me

[fierce junco]

Nvm I beat it

[native anchor]

Why do they even call it Final Doom?

[main ibex]

intended final version of that era of doom if I were to guess

[native anchor]

Ended up not being the case with Doom 64 releasing the following year.

Although you could consider Doom 64 as Final Doom part 3.

But it wouldn’t make sense back then since Doom 64 was obviously only on N64 until the Kex port.

[native anchor]

Although effectively Final Doom is a mainline title. At least the Classic Doom collector’s edition makes me believe it was the first evidence of Final Doom being mainline.

[torpid yacht]

Play sigil next

[main ibex]

do it on nightmare

[fierce junco]

Nooo 😭

[main ibex]

[earnest flame]

https://youtu.be/Tlm8u7aGbbo

[dry flicker]

Hi, what maps would you guys recommend to play co-op or deathmatch with a friend?

Im playing on the Doom 1 + 2 version of the game btw

[uneven otter]

for deathmatch I recommend Id deathmatch pack 1, since the maps are designed with deathmatch in mind, and for co-op I recommend No rest for the living

[jovial solar]

Doom.

[elder sage]

Based.

[torpid yacht]

[feral temple]

Can someone help me with legacy of Rust?

[calm lichen]

I replayed Legacy recently and hottdamn its just as hard as I remember

I was gonna practice for 2x monster but fuck that

[feral temple]

Looking for the secrets

Doomwiki is down

[calm lichen]

Don’t they have a new domain?

[crimson python]

yo should i play Sigil with BD v19 on Ultra Violence

or will it be too hard

i’m on the 3rd level and it kinda cooks me

поколение big bon

[crimson python]

ok i made it to the E5M5 and now i don’t understand shit fr

[desert tinsel]

Odamex 12.0.0 has been released! Get it at odamex.net (google it), or on Flathub. You can view the full changelog at the GitHub link. Mac builds will be available soon. Odamex is a modified Doom engine designed for multiple players dropping in and out of servers and is free of course. The big new feature is DSDHacked making Odamex the only open source multiplayer port you can play complex mods like Eviternity II on.

[feral temple]

It's not updated

[oblique dove]

What do yall think about Doom 64

[icy umbra]

Good game

[twin mortar]

My least favorite game from the franchise (bar shit like Mighty DOOM and DOOM RPG) but if DOOM 64 is your franchise's worst game you have a very good franchise

[delicate spindle]

Hey guys I seem to have a problem with the add-ons or mods on console (ps4) , I've seen many people access a plethora of mods in a specific mod menu but I can only access add-ons menu with there being only 22 add-ons, is there an update I missed or am I using the wrong version

[twin mortar]

You seem to be on the Unity version, go to the store and install DOOM + DOOM II. It should be free for you as you own the older version

[delicate spindle]

Ah that worked thanks!

[twin mortar]

🫡

[oblique dove]

We have doom 64 but where are the others 61 games too

Ok now I literally completed the whole base game + lost levels, something I don't like its there's a LOT of Hell Knights and the Lost Souls are OP asf

But I like everything else

Some maps, the atmosphere

[crystal hill]

I dont think Mighty Doom counts as a proper Doom game. Doom RPG is a spin off

[twin mortar]

It's part of the franchise

[crystal hill]

The former?

Its a bunch of wads compiled by id to be packaged with the Master Levels, a proper curated release

[twin mortar]

Yes that's very right buddy

So correct that Mighty DOOM is Maximum DOOM

[crystal hill]

You called it that first

I care about that release so little that I didnt bother checking it

[twin mortar]

Where did I call Mighty DOOM "Maximum DOOM" or vice versa brah

Mighty DOOM is the mobile game, you're thinking of Maximum DOOM

[crystal hill]

Ok, so I'm confused then. Because I've never heard of Mighty Doom before, I thought you meant Maximum Doom when you said it

[twin mortar]

It's that mobile game that got shut down after a year

[crystal hill]

It came out 2 years ago? What fhe fuck??

[twin mortar]

Closer to 3 now, time waits for no man

[crystal hill]

Well, anyway, thats a mistake on my part, apologies

[twin mortar]

You're good

[crystal hill]

I'd look up some videos but I'm currently in a traffic jam with familia

[twin mortar]

Archero knockoff, you get to choose an upgrade at the start of your run and just run around an environment automatically shooting demons and choosing what upgrades to unlock as you go

[crystal hill]

Hmm. Could be fun

As a mobile game, seems easy to try for a bit and give up on soon after if its ass

[twin mortar]

Not ass but not very good either, it was a fun game to play a round of or two on the bus but it's nothing more than that

[calm lichen]

Doom 64 is similar to Doom 3 in being too much for their release platform

They couldn’t add anything because the N64 was a bad console for it

Thats why I hardly play regularly 64 and just play Doom 64’s GZ port

[exotic vault]

Do you think it's really worth playing the master levels of doom 2 ? Just curious

[desert tinsel]

There are some good maps

[torpid yacht]

Most are lame

[odd vine]

Some are good, most are not great

[main ibex]

what are yalls thoughts on the chicken man

[twilit dune]

graf?

salty member

lowkey

gzdoom was not that good

and he tweaked out over lilith.pk3 ✌️

[exotic vault]

I'm happy I can now play most other games using uzdoom.

[torpid yacht]

Needs a slap

[main ibex]

in his defense that was aids to look at

but that's the only aspect of the wad that I agree he shoulda been mad at

[calm lichen]

Its worth playing just to experience them

[bold palm]

doing a doom 1 no damage nightmare mode run

[torpid yacht]

Good luck

[crystal hill]

I agree with Platinum

Worth playing it even just the once

[exotic vault]

You have fun with that

[crystal hill]

Sounds impossible

The hitscanners alone are gonna wreck you

[bitter shoal]

I would like to think it was possible, it'd probably be most runner's default way of acomplishing it, but from what I've sene it is the opposite where the strategies are usually aggressive and go for speed.

[crystal hill]

Obviously

Nightmare mode has respawning enemies, sticking around long term is silly

[solemn socket]

when i play NERF i forget that respawning monsters is a thing

so i die to arachnotrons in MAP03

[crystal hill]

Also, hitscanners attack instantly in Nightmare, and you cant dodge them. So you need to move quickly

[bold palm]

i am barely able to do the first level

[crystal hill]

Its gonna get a whole lot worse

[broken mantle]

Hello Guys

[woven swallow]

hello MrDude

[broken mantle]

What's up?

[cloud furnace]

Can i play the Ray Tracing mods for DOOM 1 and 2 on the official steam port?

sorry if its a stupid question i really dont know

[little oar]

No. You'll have to set up something like UZDoom for that

[bitter shoal]

IIRC it is a modified version of PRBOOM so likely not

ah yeah I think there was a GZDOOM (now UZDOOM) based one as well

[cloud furnace]

oh ok thx

[pine violet]

https://youtu.be/I7yxlSURxRw?si=Z20nHgmyMRMxNguS

[raven pawn]

Are you played doom 1 or 2 on switch? How it’s it

[slate light]

Is Zero Master

[crystal hill]

Dont think so

[ruby crater]

Someone pretending to be Zero Master? 😮

[bitter shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-surprise-mf-can't-prove-it-gif-7408854170742055240

[brittle warren]

Is it just me that thinks if the creators made a doom 2016, dark ages and eternal remaster but 2d in the classic artwork but with upgrades it would be amazingly good i would buy that 100%

[torpid yacht]

No but I recommend to play Legacy of Rust

[cinder sapphire]

Have you tried Doom 4 Vanilla?
https://youtu.be/TkoTL8tH_90?si=8mgsCUVXua_nKTjn

[torpid yacht]

Just got to map 19 i think on going down
The cave with the UFO map was chaotic but im still sticking with the library map as the hardest so far

[brittle warren]

Its good i finished it

[brittle warren]

Thats awsome but i wanted the doom 2016 gameplay too like double jumping and parkour and the maps yk

But ill check it out

[royal willow]

What’s all of ur guys’ favourite classic doom games??

[limber mirage]

64

Hands down

[cinder sapphire]

pretty much everything you're asking for already exists. there are literally mods that add double jumping, and ledge climbing too. the only thing not there is the actual 2016+ maps afaik, but there are mapsets that people made, that try to emulate them.

even the weapon wheel was made into a mod

[brittle warren]

Yeah but i dont have a pc so thats why i wished for the creators to do one plus it isnt something that hard theire a big team and its not asking too much since they will propably profit a lot from that

[woven swallow]

That already exist with mods

[calm lichen]

1. Ultimate Doom
2. 64
3. Final Doom
4. Doom II

Doom RPG 1&2 aren’t even worthy of the list

[fierce junco]

Hey wasnt there a title drop at the end of DOOM 1993 or am I trippin? I swear I remember there being a title drop and then the title got shot full of bullet holes like an old action movie

[cinder sapphire]

what do you play on? console? if you have a decent android phone, I've heard Delta Touch can play Doom mods pretty well.

it's a nice idea. they could call it Doom 2016 De-make or something. but even still, since stuff like that is already available with mods in their biggest consumer market (PC gamers) and for free, they might rather spend time working on the next big project that will make them 10x more money in sales.

[crystal hill]

Pretty much this

It may not appeal to either part of the fanbase, the modern folks who like modern graphics and gameplay, nor the classicheads who think GZDoom is heretical

[torpid yacht]

Tv commercial

[fierce junco]

Tv commercial?

[torpid yacht]

Yea

[fierce junco]

Ohhh, I just looked it up lol

Its not what I remember tho

Im probably just going crazy lol

[torpid yacht]

I remember what you mentioned, or maybe we're going crazy.

[fierce junco]

Idk, it was kinda like the end screen with the bunny where it just said "THE END" and the text got swiss-cheesed

[main ibex]

is this some mandela effect shit

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167762378197311528/1454734255966916681/doom55.png?ex=69522a5a&is=6950d8da&hm=5fd20dcabadff7c1cefff81fdb00b5ed96013cc26242a332c4aff8a7f4c72bba that is from the end screen of doom's e3m8

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167762378197311528/1454734507830808617/doom56.png?ex=69522a96&is=6950d916&hm=26bf34c4d501acd9d372bdb3630a63f12e56d57bca45984ba91e52c212490807 and yes it did break apart

[fierce junco]

Ik that, but I couldve sworn there was one like that but as the DOOM logo

[woven swallow]

wait wha?

[fierce junco]

Was there not?

[woven swallow]

i don't remember anything about that

[fierce junco]

Not like with the same background, just the Doom logo

[fierce junco]

Maybe I'm crazy lol

[woven swallow]

just the doom logo? what did the background look like? was it just black

[fierce junco]

I think so, yeah

[woven swallow]

did it say created by id on the bottom?

or was it just the logo

[fierce junco]

I dont remember for sure tbh, it might have

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167762378197311528/1454736987838873849/Screenshot_2025-12-28_135509.png?ex=69522ce5&is=6950db65&hm=9af05fc5fddd22fd4810632e988b2e01da68b5344bb9ca698f42d939a9df6b51 is this it?

this is a unused menu for doom, its located in the id vault

[fierce junco]

That might be it tbh

[gritty hare]

Out of curiosity has anyone else been trophy hunting in doom on PS4 and when you went for the Im the Man trophy you got it way too early? For some reason I got mine in E2 M6

[twin mortar]

I'm pretty sure it's because it tracks the time across all playthroughs for the trophy

So if you do E1M1 in 8 seconds and E1M2 in a minute on one save, and E1M1 in one minute and E1M2 in two minutes on another save, your best times will be taken into account, you'll have 8 seconds on E1M1 and one minute on E1M2

[mellow matrix]

I've made it to the halfway point of TNT: Devilution and I think it's time for me to bow out.
I'll never understand people's fascination with 30+ minute maps in classic DooM, especially megawads filled to the brim with them. Every level feels like a massive undertaking with labyrinthine layouts, keys placed 2 miles away from their respective doors, and (at least in this case) a consistent drip feed of demons with only the occasional "Main Event" fight.
I don't mind the occasional magnum opus late in a megawad—that's what maps 28 & 29 are for—but classic DooM is supposed to be snappy, fun combat that can be finished in 5-15 minutes. I'll play one of the modern games if I want to explore a single level for an hour.

[median trellis]

you would love eternal doom

[torpid yacht]

Ik, I remember being an old tv commercial tho

[crystal hill]

Eternal Doom's first level is a maze with backtracking. That almost singlehandedly made me quit

[crystal hill]

If this is at all accurate, I get the feeling I won't enjoy it either. I prefer the Plutonia field of level design, where you deliver a high pain per m^2, but the levels are nice and snappy to keep you going through them

Going Down is my poster child for short, snappy, sufficiently vicious maps

[cosmic pagoda]

man neon overdrive is such a vibe

ball buster too, had to switch to hmp on like map 4

[analog ridge]

Vassagos are fun. They trigger a lot of infighting.

[cosmic pagoda]

man I love gd, probably my favourite megawad

[crystal hill]

Ignoring GZDoom stuff, its my favourite full megawad

[wintry copper]

me when reaching the end of Legacy of Rust's first episode

[cosmic pagoda]

its impressive how much mouldy got done with the doom2 texture set

[wintry copper]

right??

it's very impressive

[cosmic pagoda]

and the maps are so creative

[wintry copper]

his music is also insanely good

it also actually is insane as well

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah, very clownish in a good way

but it would probably not work with any other wad

works super well with the insanity that is gd

[wintry copper]

yeah

or Seventh Circle from Nova 1

[cosmic pagoda]

oh I still need to try nova, hear goofd things about it

currently half way into map12 of neon overdrive, might do that next

[wintry copper]

from what I've gathered Nova 1 isn't quite as good (still good but a lot more amateurish maps) but Nova II is apparently very good

then again Nova 1 does have a lot more actual newbie maps whereas Nova II features more of the community's heavyweights at the time

[cosmic pagoda]

also need to go through jpcp again, for some reason "do you like caco?" has been living rent free in my head for the last couple days

[wintry copper]

another Dean of Doom viewer I take it?

[cosmic pagoda]

can highly recommend neon overdrive too, not only is it such a vibe, but the fights are really fun

[cosmic pagoda]

of course

[wintry copper]

nice

[cosmic pagoda]

he seems to be on a break recently tho

[wintry copper]

yeah, completely fair tbh but at least we still got the yearly Halloween episode this year

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah I think all creators should be free to take a break whenever they want, I dont get this "you have to have regular uploads" mindset tbh

I am pretty sure regular schedule also works to make creating videos a chore for people, slowly declining the quality

people create the best stuff if they enjoy it

[wintry copper]

yea exactly

[crystal hill]

Obviously. All these Doom wad authors do this as a passion project. Even the Legacy of Rust folks, I think. They dont owe us anything

That being said, if I need to sacrifice some animals to get more Gusta, Mouldy or Batandy maps released, I'm willing and ready

[cosmic pagoda]

oh man, gusta, has he even made anything since PL2?

I love and hate him lol

[crystal hill]

No, which is what's so bloody tragic

[cosmic pagoda]

he made such ballbusting maps, which I hate and love for their dickishness

[crystal hill]

He made the best maps of his career in Plut 2, then he makes nothing else after

Fuckin, dammit

[cosmic pagoda]

sad

map 20 is such a gem especially

[crystal hill]

Even the toughest feel like a fair challenge to overcome. Even if its a very tough one, lol

[cosmic pagoda]

especially with the midi

I pistolstarted map20(with saves, a lot of saving and reloading, lol) last year, so definitely fair

[crystal hill]

Lurking Fear, Arch Violence and Black Ice are my trilogy of Plut 2 maps with banging music

[crystal hill]

I love how it just deteriorates over the course of the level, until you're dropped into the central pit with everything coming for your ass

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah, that fight is wild

[crystal hill]

Funny enough, last time I played it I totally buggered up getting the invuln, but I still made it out in one piece

[cosmic pagoda]

theres one gusta map I dont like there tho, the extra large one

nuclear horror

its way too sprawling and confusing and I spend half of my time there lost

the way that he deals with key switches and doors doesnt help

[crystal hill]

Nuclear Horror tries my patience just a wee bit

[cosmic pagoda]

I really like how gusta makes difficult fights without making a large slaughterfest too

you dont need 140 revenants to make things difficult

[crystal hill]

Arch Violence has less than 100 enemies, but almost every fight is a ball buster

One or two false moves and you're done

[cosmic pagoda]

that said the occasional slaughterfight is fun in a wad but I dislike wads that are just pure slaughter

oh yeah, arch violence is a ball buster indeed

[crystal hill]

Plut 2 has a few slaughter maps. Specifically a few, and only near the end, which is ideal

[cosmic pagoda]

plut 2 is a wonderful wad in general, really at the border of what I can take as difficulty too

[crystal hill]

Same here. I dont think I'm comfortable with stuff thats much harder than it

[cosmic pagoda]

well I suppose I had to switch to hmp on couple the modern ones, so I can still take it

my heart goes out to people doing pl2 and such without saves tho

[crystal hill]

Going Down is my goldilocks zone for difficulty though

[crystal hill]

Thank you

[cosmic pagoda]

oh you also like masochism I see

[crystal hill]

Love it. I tried to pistol start sunlust saveless recently

[cosmic pagoda]

I myself try to not outright savescum but I do generally save before fights and sometimes during difficult ones

[crystal hill]

Only got about 2/3rds of the way there though

[cosmic pagoda]

I do pistolstart+no saves with my NM100S (not for speed but for rules) attempts at doom1 tho

I record demos too, just to have kind of proof for myself

I dont run for time however

so far I got e1m1 e1m2 e3m1 e3m2 e3m3

latter of which took like 120 attempts to finish without dying lol

I have done e2m8 in the past just for fun tbh, I should record a demo, thats probably the easiest map to nm100s, since the cybie becomes easier on nm

[cosmic pagoda]

tbf like three quarters were restarted due to the first pinky, if he doesnt cooperate you dont have much choice

[cosmic pagoda]

sunlust is long maps afaik tho? id go mad losing so much progress every death

still havent attempted sunlust due to the reputation it has

wonder if its soon time

to try it

[crystal hill]

They get long near the mid point, yeah

But I've beaten harder levels than those, so I pushed through

And maps 20 to 23 I think are shorter and easier than those that came before

[crystal hill]

If you use saves, you should be fine

[crystal hill]

Him and the spider mastermind, because you have more cells

[cosmic pagoda]

oh yeah totally forgot about the 2x ammo

theres no instant react hitscanners on that map to f you over either

shotgunners are a menace on nightmare lol

pretty much impossible to avoid getting blasted, they fire as soon as you appear within los

sidenote, I am really annoyed how GZdoom handles quicksaves, I generally use dsda doom, however I was recently reminded of that annoyance because I went through the new episode of ashes

if it asks for confirmation its not really a quicksave

AND you have to type in save name before the first one

[crystal hill]

Absolutely. I've played a little bit of nightmare Doom 1 before, and they were a menace

Their fragility is greatly mitigated by instant firing

[twin mortar]

Nightmare is agony but it's fun to see how far you get. The glitched easier version in the Xbox 360 versions was super fun to play through

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah absolutely

and with doom1 the maps are short so its not a huge loss if you die and have to restart

[brittle warren]

I play on console 🙁

[cinder sapphire]

a pc that can run Doom is probably cheaper than the console you play on right now. just play what you can until then. I also first played classic Doom on console for years before I got a pc. don't sweat it, Doom isn't going anywhere 😉

[low acorn]

I love classic doom it just feels so good I love the fact that this game has a wonderful fanbace

[exotic vault]

Are there any mods that can work with the 3DS version of prboom Doom? Just curious

[desert tinsel]

Looking for a game of doom 2 deathmatch on odamex if anyone wants to play

[cosmic pagoda]

console is probably fine for doom, heck I started out on snes doom in the 90s

[exotic vault]

Any great mod recommendations that work with prboom+?

[woven swallow]

Wads i recommend playing
Going from Vanilla, Limit removing, Boom, Mbf

Vanilla tier

Back to Saturn X
Akeldama
Alien vendetta
Combustion
Aliens TC
Batman doom
Erkattanne
Plutonia 2
Doom zero

Limit removing tier

Boomer beyond vanilla
Struggle: Antaresian legacy
Cydonia
180 Minutes Pour Vivre
The doomer board project wads (look them up)
Arrival
Hellbound
Bloodstain

Boom tier

Stardate20x6 and Stardate20x7
Fractured worlds
Sunlust
Going down and going down turbo
Lost civilization
Swim with the whales
Ancient aliens
Baushaus
10x10
Entropy
Overbroad
The chilling wind of dis
Headless chicken
Antaresian reliquary
Magnolia
Hardfest 1 and 2
Sunder

Mbf tier

Eviternity
Unwelcome
Valiant
Voodoo guns
Pirate doom 2

[exotic vault]

Thanks for the recommendations I'll add those to my 3DS files so I can play it on there.

[cosmic pagoda]

wait btsx is vanilla compatible?

nice

[bitter shoal]

somebody made a DOOM (first person view) level in Mega Man Maker because of course they did

[cosmic pagoda]

let me guess, e1m1?

[bitter shoal]

of course

[cosmic pagoda]

nice

[karmic estuary]

Need to play DOOM again

UZDOOM released, need to install

[woven swallow]

it was released months ago...

[karmic estuary]

DOOM World said November

Doesn't matter, it's released now

[crystal hill]

First proper release was a month or so ago, not too long

[crystal hill]

For people who've played it - how do you like Tech Gone Bad?

[karmic estuary]

Will put on my list of WADs to play

Sounds fun

[crystal hill]

I'll play it soon after I get back home from the holidays

I'm a fan of Sigil, so I hope this map is up to that same standard

[karmic estuary]

I have a YT series of myself playing Sigil

Fun WAD

[crystal hill]

Most fun I've had playing Doom 1

[karmic estuary]

DOOM 1 is one of my most replayed games

[crystal hill]

Doom 2 is mine if you count all the wads

[karmic estuary]

True

DOOM 2 has many great WADs

[crystal hill]

It has enough that you could play just those and nothing else for years

[exotic vault]

Do these also work with Uzdoom? Just curious even though yes I'm going to use them for my 3DS doom I'm just curious.

[crystal hill]

Some of them have issues. Aliens TC didnt work well on my GZDoom, and I cant see UZ fixing that

If it doesnt use much dehacked magic it should work fine on UZDoom

[bitter shoal]

It sounds like ZDOOM has trouble with Dehacked, especially based on those screenshots earlier of the physical pass errors.

[crystal hill]

Simpler dehacked worked fine on my copy of GZDoom. Batman Doom also worked fine

[median cloud]

TNT 2 Devilution Map 10 is tough man goddamn

Very fun map but what a step up in difficulty

[exotic vault]

Frayed and rekkr seem to work great too on my 3DS doom

[woven swallow]

Just to note: some of the maps I listed, some of them contain extremely large colossal sized maps, you might encounter some lag here and there for your 3ds to handle so keep in mind

[woven swallow]

I don't see why it won't, after all it's a zdoom port

[median trellis]

Which is better, Grove or The Mucus Flow?

[crystal hill]

Mucus Flow

The atmosphere feels thicker, and it has some gameplay to it too

[torpid yacht]

How many floors on going down, 32?

[crystal hill]

32 maps, yeah

I guess fewer floors though, since some of them dont count

[native anchor]

Doom 1 and 2 have so many expansion packs/official WADs, it’s honestly overwhelming. The Kex port gives you the Master Levels, Final Doom, No Rest for the Living, Sigil 1 and 2, and Legacy of Rust.

That’s 7 extra WADs in addition to Doom 1 and 2.

Technically 5 if you count Final Doom as its own thing, which it was initially released that way.

[twin mortar]

Technically² 6, cuz E4

Well pretty sure it's a merged WAD with the rest of DOOM but you get what I mean. Releasewise it's an expansion pack

[native anchor]

Well, Thy Flesh Consumed wasn’t bought separately with Ultimate Doom. It always felt like a bonus episode, an extra challenge.

Compared to something like Sigil which is just a separate WAD.

[twin mortar]

Same for NRFTL and yet we're counting it :p

[native anchor]

And I guess Sigil 1 and 2. Those are more like Doom 1 Aftermath.

[bitter shoal]

Ep. 4 is already basically that, so.. Episode 5 & 6

[native anchor]

True, but it is still within Doom 1 itself and not a separate WAD.

[twin mortar]

If we're being literal here the release of DOOM that has E4 is a seperate WAD to the one that doesn't have it, so it is by technicality a seperate WAD

[native anchor]

More than likely though, a new player would mainly just touch Doom 1 (All 4 main episodes), Doom 2, and maybe even Final Doom, and then Doom 64 when it comes to Classic Doom.

[twin mortar]

Final is usually skipped by newer fans from what I've seen

[native anchor]

It’s still a mainline entry.

Just that newcomers would be more inclined for just Doom 1 and 2 because that’s what the main focus is on, even for the Kex port.

It’s called “Doom + Doom II”, not “Doom: Ultimate Classic Collection”.

[crystal hill]

Thats just the official ones too. Very very cool of id/Bethesda

[crystal hill]

I think it would go 1, 2 then everything else if they like the former two enough

[exotic vault]

Yeah I did but it's not too bad though. I still move around pretty well.

[exotic vault]

The only sad thing and this makes sense is that there will be no music with the mods just sound I don't think I can fix that though it's fine. Mainly because you have to have the music file in order for it to work and I don't even know where to look for that.

[tight laurel]

which episode should i try to beat as a new doom player?

[exotic vault]

Just do them in order.

[tight laurel]

which ones the hardest?

im trying tnt evolution and i have no clue if its hard or not

[crystal hill]

Plutonia is harder

[tight laurel]

btw i have some experience, ive beaten 2 episodes of doom 1 except inferno and thy flesh consumed those are really hard

not sure if im just bad though

[tight laurel]

what is plutonia?

[crystal hill]

2nd half of Final Doom. TNT is the other half

[tight laurel]

thats the one im trying

[crystal hill]

Plutonia is harder than TNT, and significantly harder than Doom 1 and 2

[tight laurel]

iyo what maps should i do? like doom 2, tnt, or plutonia. im tryna get better but i know nothing abt the game. whats the best approach i could make to get better?

[crystal hill]

Play the game to get better at it

Try to finish Doom 1. If you cant, move onto Doom 2

Practise makes perfect, and that really applies to these games

[torpid yacht]

Finish doom 1 n then doom 2

[oak adder]

pro tip: constant movement is key

also thy flesh consumed is probably my least favorite chapter in og doom

[tight laurel]

i couldn't get past level 2

[oak adder]

"perfect hatred" is a fitting level name

[tight laurel]

is that the name of level 2 of thy flesh consumed?

[oak adder]

yes

[tight laurel]

that level kicked my ass and i had to pistol start because the first one had no health

[oak adder]

I could go on about how I don't like this level.

[tight laurel]

same here

[oak adder]

assuming you're playing on uv, this level is filled with cacodemons, lost souls, and barons

[tight laurel]

ultra violence?

and i have no clue what those are

[oak adder]

yes uv stands for ultra violence

[tight laurel]

hell no i had to play on hurt me plenty

and it still kicked my ass

i played tnt on uv tho

[oak adder]

a room with barons as soon as you get the plasma gun

[tight laurel]

are barons the grey ones?

that shoot the green projectiles?

[oak adder]

the red devil things

[tight laurel]

ohh

[oak adder]

yes

not to be confused with a cacodemon which looks like a red meatball

[tight laurel]

oh lmao thats i thought u talking abt

those suck

[oak adder]

the end of the level is evil because they put a cyberdemon and cacodemons

[tight laurel]

cyber demon?

ive heard of it i think they shoot rockets but im not sure

[tight laurel]

that is evil dayum

[oak adder]

yes

[tight laurel]

i would probably have to try for hours to beat that level

i have a save but i have to pistol start

[oak adder]

I did not pistol start thy flesh consumed

[tight laurel]

level 1 left me with no choice because of all of the damn shotgunners

[oak adder]

and the fact that one of the keys is evil

because as soon as you get it a bunch of enemies spawn

[tight laurel]

there was only one of the red devils it wasent that bad

i had a rocket launcher also

[oak adder]

there was this one level with a bunch of teleports

that one was bad too

and another cyberdemon near the end of the stage...

[tight laurel]

i watched a video you can teleport and kill him

idk how but it works

[oak adder]

this episode really makes you miss the super shotgun

[tight laurel]

the double shotgun?

[oak adder]

yea its a double barrel shotgun

[tight laurel]

oh yeah i played some of doom ii its super good

[oak adder]

the new monsters in doom 2 really give you a challenge

[tight laurel]

the ones with the chain guns were really annoying

[oak adder]

especially arch-viles

[tight laurel]

what in the world are those

i should really start learning the names of demons lol

[oak adder]

they summon a line of fire that does lots of damage and resurrect dead monsters

[tight laurel]

oh lord

sounds like a nightmare to deal with

but ive never seen one so idrk

[oak adder]

my advice is to find cover to dodge its attack and kill it fast

[tight laurel]

how many double shotgun hits does it take to kill?

[oak adder]

4

[tight laurel]

oof

they have alot of heath too

[oak adder]

better hope you have enough ammo to deal with them

[tight laurel]

when do they appear?

i pray to god there's none in thy flesh

[main ibex]

it's even better with a source port that gives you freelook

and actually good resolution

[oak adder]

the first one appears in "circle of death" in doom 2

[main ibex]

(I prefer when distant enemies aren't barely-recognizable masses of 6 pixels)

[oak adder]

there isn't fortunately

[main ibex]

(8 if it's a mancubus)

[tight laurel]

i can see the demons fine

without a port

[tight laurel]

god is good

[oak adder]

what's another enemy i don't like

oh yeah

pain elementals

[tight laurel]

the meatballs?

[main ibex]

tfconsumed is part of doom 1 so the code and sprites for archviles n such don't exist there

[tight laurel]

oh

[oak adder]

they are basically round monsters that spawn lost souls

[main ibex]

brown cacodemons with pointless arms and an uglier face

and less horns

[tight laurel]

lmao

[tight laurel]

lord have mercy

[main ibex]

seriously though why do they need arms

[main ibex]

told ya they were ugly

[oak adder]

to quote civvie: "chaingun or plasma, just kill it and fast"

[tight laurel]

hes funny asf

[main ibex]

I LOVE CIVVIE

[tight laurel]

same

i watched his tnt walk through it looks doable for me

wait i dont think he did one i think it was decino

idk tbh

[oak adder]

tnt doesn't look that bad compared to plutonia

[main ibex]

I kinda stopped caring what he uploads anymore

[main ibex]

cos it isn't

[tight laurel]

plutonia looks hard asf

[main ibex]

his personality alone carries everything

[tight laurel]

it filled with those skeletons

[main ibex]

automatic peak

[oak adder]

it does

[main ibex]

revenants
and an archvile in the first level

[oak adder]

also one of the levels is a maze with a bunch of arch-viles

its called "hunted"

[main ibex]

jus kill it

[main ibex]

"there may be more revenants in plutonia than there are imps. there may be more revenants in plutonia than there are stars in the sky"

[oak adder]

another civvie quote i see

[tight laurel]

that was so funny i remember that so vividly

[main ibex]

that's the exact reason I can recite it from memory

[oak adder]

that one level with 2 arch-viles and 8 revenants near the exit

[tight laurel]

the one where he had a dream about the arch viles was so funny

[main ibex]

I don't even remember that and I'm getting the thousand yard stare

[tight laurel]

[oak adder]

if you dont have the super shotgun in the "hunted" level you're screwed

[tight laurel]

why not just use rocket launcher

its better anyway

[main ibex]

true, 5-6 rounds does good work if you aren't in a choke

[oak adder]

assuming you don't fire at close range

[main ibex]

just tank the damage like a real man

[tight laurel]

exactly

[main ibex]

YYYEEEEEEEEE-HAAWWWWW! explosion followed by high-damage death scream

[oak adder]

also the secret levels in plutonia are the hardest levels in the mod pack

[main ibex]

weren't they the birth of the slaughter wad

[tight laurel]

there's more levels?

[oak adder]

"cyberden" and "go 2 it"

[main ibex]

damn now I wanna port plutonia levels to endless madness 2 and fry that pitiful wad

[tight laurel]

i dont think civvie played it so i havent heard if it

[main ibex]

it's not thing kinda thing he'd play

em2 is a total conversion mod, but it's some of the most fun you can have playing doom

[tight laurel]

i don't think i have it cuz im on console

[main ibex]

ohhhh you poor thing

[oak adder]

"go 2 it" has 13 cyberdemons, 19 arch-viles, 50 revenants, and more according to civvie

[tight laurel]

ill watch a video of it

btw, are those spiders hard to kill or is it just a me thing?

[main ibex]

the spiderdemons are annoying yes

[tight laurel]

not the big ones

the smaller ones

[main ibex]

I feel like they're fairly uncommon

a mild inconvenience

but the ol' buckshot's good at kicking their asses, same as any other

[tight laurel]

except the cyber demon

[main ibex]

plasma!

[tight laurel]

dont think anyone's ever killed one with a double shotgun

[oak adder]

they're not so bad if you dodge their plasma shots

[main ibex]

maybe as a finisher

[tight laurel]

thats the hard part

why dont they just make the cyberdemons infight if there's so many of them in go 2 it

i dont understand

[main ibex]

yk why did they make these guys so chunky

[tight laurel]

ptsd

[main ibex]

he's buffer than doomguy was in the day

[oak adder]

the chaingunner is annoying

[tight laurel]

not possible

[oak adder]

especially in the "catacombs" level on uv

[main ibex]

this was the old doomguy for comparison

[tight laurel]

but cant they just make the cyberdemons infight if there's a bunch in go 2 it?

i didint see them fo that

[oak adder]

you could try that but kill the arch-viles

[main ibex]

monsters can't infight with the same kinda monster

... well they can but it's harder

[tight laurel]

i was bouta say

ive seen monsters infight with the same kind before

i made some chainguns kill each other before

[main ibex]

yeah they do that a lot in my mods too

[crystal hill]

Hitscanners do so very easily. Its nearly impossible for other enemies to infight another of their kind, and only in a very specific way

[torpid yacht]

Pinkies fight each other aswell

[bitter shoal]

only in earlier versions

[median cloud]

Hr map 29 is supposedly really easy but I died like 4 times on it already

28 is supposed to be harder and I did it first try lol

But 28 is a lot easier due to the bfg secret

[torpid yacht]

Wdym

[trim sonnet]

I received a cartridge copy of doom 64 and it has the modern esrb rating logo and a background with an orange pentagram. Is this a rerelease cartridge or a limited run thing or something?

[torpid yacht]

They still fight each other

[bitter shoal]

they changed their bite from a short ranged hit scan to some other kind of check so you have to do some weird tomfoolery (likely the same kind that can get barons to infight or cacodemons to kill themselves) to get them to infight

[twin mortar]

Send a photo in #merch-showcase

[median cloud]

HR is dated af but I honestly kinda like it

Heavily prefer it over HR2 for sure

But its def lower quality than all other classics

[bitter shoal]

I only watched a playthrough of HR2, as someone that hasn't experienced it first hand I can at least say for sure that a lot of the level visuals looked similar

[torpid yacht]

I guess the barrel triggered them to fight

[crystal hill]

Thats how monsters of the same kind can infight, yeah

Its a neat quirk that is very rarely useful

[halcyon willow]

I've managed to get Pain Elementals to infight

Don't ask me how because I have no idea lol

[bitter shoal]

I'm impressed you managed to observe that since lost souls would probably be clouding them and then half of them just go after you

[native anchor]

Is Thy Flesh Consumed canon?

[bitter shoal]

yes

[halcyon willow]

In a Sunder map no less

[robust timber]

Guys do you know any good doom port on android? Except of Delta and Doom touch

[jovial snow]

I just beat plutonia for the first time :)

[main ibex]

now pistol start it on nightmare

[oak adder]

nice

what difficulty?

[jovial snow]

UV

[oak adder]

great

[calm lichen]

I decided to try Brutal Doom again and I remember now why I quit

Because it fucking sucks in every department

Not only are the enemies just incredibly annoying but the guns just don’t hit

They feel like they pack a punch but they do jack and shit

[bitter shoal]

DOOM 3 shotgun be like

[calm lichen]

Nah, Doom 3 shotgun is Heaven compared to this shit

At least it kills things consistently

[bitter shoal]

oof

[halcyon willow]

Just gotta remember the Doom 3 shotgun is a melee weapon, then it can one shot revenants

[bitter shoal]

I.. actually wasn't aware of that

Is the spread really that wide?

[crystal hill]

Yeah, if enough of the pellets hit it

have you PLAYED Doom 3?

[bitter shoal]

I have played some of it, yes

I hadn't tried hitting stuff from that point blank though

[crystal hill]

so you should be aware that the spread is indeed comical

thats the only way the shotgun is effective

[jovial snow]

brutal doom's shotgun ain't that bad

[cloud talon]

Are there any actual mods for the doom 64 remaster?

[crystal hill]

Yes, at least one

https://www.doomworld.com/vb/thread/125606

[cloud talon]

Huh

Thanks

I'll be playing this

[long moat]

Anyone on Xbox so we could play doom1+2?

[woven swallow]

hard ish fight, it took me what like 19 attempts? i won by changing up my strat just a little bit
IWAD: doom2
PWAD: vindaloo.wad
Download link: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/155934-idgames-vindaloo-a-spicy-slaughtermap-by-vytaan-and-dragonfly/
Complevel: 21
Sourceport: Dsda doom, woof!, cherry-doom
Authors: DragonFly and Vytann
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1376790283274162206/1455937736950153308/doom23.png?ex=69568b2e&is=695539ae&hm=5e0ea0e67ed9ef885a1279bb43ca1d39a78aa5b9041f69b82dac8bdab6567c51

[torpid yacht]

I think you're ready for Sigil II

[torpid yacht]

Its not cross platform?

[long moat]

I think it is

[calm lichen]

Its crossplat

[calm lichen]

Man, the brutal doom cyberdemon fight was atrocious

But I see why they removed splash damage from rockets

[main ibex]

I've never seen brutal doom actually

what's it like? does brutal refer to the difficulty?

[calm lichen]

Brutal Doom is just a more “realistic warfare” take on Doom

Its not brutally hard unless you do its custom difficulties

But I personally wanna rip my spine out and strangle myself with it when I play it

It kinda kills what I think Doom is about

[thorny nest]

I think it also refers to the fact that it has more realistic/detailed blood and guts when you kill enemies

[calm lichen]

That too

Its the killer of lower end systems

[thorny nest]

I say “realistic” but that’s probably a misnomer with how over the top it is lol

[calm lichen]

Its realistic in the way of Doom

Absolute gore fest and even if it makes me go from 120 fps to 40 fps I refuse to turn down the gore

Its basically the only thing that the wad does right

Oh and its helper marines

I absolutely love them, I even gave them names

[thorny nest]

That’s sick, I didn’t know brutal doom had them

[calm lichen]

Its in the options menu

I need a mod that just the helper marines

Xim’s Helper Marines is good and all but its not the same

[thorny nest]

I like booting up brutal doom occasionally especially if I’ve had a bad day at work, but I usually default to vanilla

[thorny nest]

Also, that would be cool, I’ve seen a few helper NPC mods but one that’s just the default marines would be cool

[calm lichen]

Really the only thing Xim’s is missing is making them findable and killable

[main ibex]

I'll be fine, I got a 5070

[calm lichen]

Nice

Its a good novelty play but I personally will never casually play BD

[main ibex]

what do I choose? there's like 50 difficulty options

fuck it we ball, black metal

[calm lichen]

I personally play it on UV

[main ibex]

do I need to worry about headshots n shit or...

[calm lichen]

Not really

Just worry about dodging and ammo management

Especially ammo management

[main ibex]

holy shit grenades hit from really far

[calm lichen]

Oh and don’t stand near barrels

[main ibex]

don't miss, got it

[main ibex]

so all the explosions are just really big now?

[calm lichen]

Just barrels

Rockets don’t have splash anymore

[main ibex]

oh...

why?

[calm lichen]

You’ll see when ya fight the cyberdemon

[main ibex]

I made a horrible mistake

map01 is too hard

[calm lichen]

I’d suggest moving to UV

Get a hang of things cause its very different

[main ibex]

ok now I'm getting the hang of it

didn't even need to switch, just gotta play this like a modern fps

(it also helps that the shotguns are overpowered)

OH THATS COOL THERES GUYS THAT CAN HELP YOU

[halcyon willow]

Then why are you playing it

[halcyon willow]

The bottle neck is cpu

[calm lichen]

Easy, its for the experience

I just kinda play shit

[halcyon willow]

Me, not making myself miserable

[calm lichen]

No I’m not miserable, I’m just exaggerative

[main ibex]

I mean I got an i7 14700kf

that's not that bad is it

[calm lichen]

Not good enough, you need an i6000 from the year 4087

[halcyon willow]

Gzdoom also doesn't multithread much. And brutal doom is notoriously poorly coded

[calm lichen]

Coded by a chimp on fent

[main ibex]

first I'm hearing of either of these issues

[halcyon willow]

Good hardware will help but it's very easy to bring gzdoom to griding halt if you don't know how to optimize

[halcyon willow]

What the fuck are you talking about

[calm lichen]

I’m making a joke about the code

[halcyon willow]

Coded by someone who didn't know what they were doing 20 years ago. Biggest issue now is tech debt

Compare it to how smooth Brutal Fate is

[calm lichen]

Hold on

The fuck is Brutal Fate?

[halcyon willow]

Mark's commercial game

Looks sick

[calm lichen]

I’ll have to take a look rq

[halcyon willow]

And this is coming from someone who thinks brutal doom is hot garbage

[calm lichen]

Yeah it looks good so far

I just hope if it has helper marines that they make them smart

Cause the BD ones ai is so wack

[halcyon willow]

Tbf npc helper ai is incredibly hard to code well, in any engine

[calm lichen]

True

Xim’s Helper marines is done well

Except they can’t die so they are op

[halcyon willow]

side eyes Daikatana

[calm lichen]

I’m considering playing Daikatana when I get a pc

[halcyon willow]

It's certainly interesting lol

There's a very good fan patch that fixes all of the big issues of you want to play a "good" version

[thorny nest]

I feel like daikatana is more entertaining if you like poking around unfinished/half baked projects. Even with the fan patch, it’s still a slog (especially episode 1) due to the level design alone

[calm lichen]

If it has difficulties I’ll play it raw on standard and use the patch for hard mode

[main ibex]

why is the brutal doom bfg so thin

[calm lichen]

Ok, I’m gonna try Brutal Doom’s forks now

Black Edition and Platinum Edition

[torpid yacht]

Im on ps5
Do I need to have ps plus or its free to play online?

Anyone know?

[limber mirage]

Paid games need the Sony online service

[torpid yacht]

Thx

[main ibex]

is there a reason why the imps' mouths are perpetually open?

[crystal hill]

they were sprited that way

[main ibex]

yeah but like

why, what lead them do make that decision

[bitter shoal]

probably just wanted to have it snarl and it makes it easier to identify visually so it was a pretty good decision IMO

[mortal silo]

What color is eviternity green? Teal? Or off-teal?

[calm lichen]

Imps are obviously mouth breathers

[distant marsh]

I can’t play classic doom in a doom server

[main ibex]

what's the problem exactly

[vague kernel]

"DOOM I + II" - For some reason, the game won't run in anything other than 640x480 @ 60hz? I used to have it run 1080P, 144 blah blah blah. Tried all rendering modes, windows/fullscreen/etc, uninstalled + reinstalled (Steam).

[woven swallow]

just play on a fanmade port (sourceport) for doom at this point

[calm lichen]

UZDoom or Zandronum

[woven swallow]

Uzdoom for playing doom and complete total conversion mods and other weird mods
Zandronum for playing doom on multiplayer (still need to install other third party software to play multiplayer doom with Zandronum, btw)

[calm lichen]

Edge and Boom

Wait not boom

I dunno why I said Boom 😭

Crispy and Nugget Doom

[woven swallow]

i should mention Zandronum can also play zdoom mods on multiplayer, buuut it is an outdated gzdoom port so it really can't play most zdoom mods

[woven swallow]

Nugget doom way better

[calm lichen]

I personally prefer UZDoom and Crispy Doom for modern and classic runs

[woven swallow]

not only it can emulate the game really well, but also supports tons of features and QoL that even most modern sourceports don't have, while also supporting tons of doom engines to play custom made maps

[calm lichen]

I’ll have to try Nugget Doom sometime

[woven swallow]

also the fact that if you like the 1990s retory look for doom, while still wanting that 1920x1080 fullscreen, nugget doom has that covered for you

[calm lichen]

Crispy does the same thing

Supports wide screen and the classic graphics

Along with fps capping and uncapping

I haven’t tried Nugget so I can’t really argue it but thought I’d just say

Does Nugget support Hexen and Heretic?

[woven swallow]

it doesn't

[calm lichen]

Does it have Heretic and Hexen forks at least?

If not I’ll probably just stick to Crispy

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167762378197311528/1456176114677321932/nugg0000.png?ex=69576930&is=695617b0&hm=4ee4b5f031ae0ce282e584341fb6e700c424cee6f3f1dbc433fccd8c27a19d1c&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167762378197311528/1456176115210129491/nugg0001.png?ex=69576930&is=695617b0&hm=e37f4c2cafe2af51e23d49dacb8d37465b723f705ffa3266092f5358b2af401d&

[woven swallow]

no

[calm lichen]

Oof

[woven swallow]

i recommend checking out russian doom, basically crispy doom but better, also comes with heretic and hexen forks

[calm lichen]

I actually know that one

Civvie 11 used it for his Hexen playthrough

[woven swallow]

damn

[woven swallow]

can it do both at the same time?

[calm lichen]

Yeah

[woven swallow]

what

i'll go test it out, hang on

[calm lichen]

You can have the widescreen with the retro graphics

Its pretty cool

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167762378197311528/1456181689956175872/nugg0002.png?ex=69576e61&is=69561ce1&hm=dcfb9662008b87735b6ec6712a5c2320a945a15bf1d61c7560890ad4fa55f850 but it doesn't have this

[calm lichen]

Its just a simpler menu than Nuggets

Like I said I’ll eventually try Nugget Doom

I’ve been on a Doom binge now that I’m no longer burnt out

[woven swallow]

you can always ask me for doom ports, i have many, i can recommend a lot more

[calm lichen]

I’ve tried tons

I’m not really a stickler about my ports

I’m more into the actual wads themselves

[woven swallow]

we are the same

[calm lichen]

Like today I beat all 3 forks of Brutal Doom and I hated them all

[woven swallow]

i can recommend many too

[calm lichen]

My favorite wads are weapon wads

From Final Doomer to Samsaras Reincarnation

I’ve been fucking around Auger Zenith with Walpurgis and Hexarcana

The cyberpunk setting vs the fantasy weapons

[woven swallow]

if you like auger zenith, you would definitely would love Neon overdrive

[calm lichen]

Already played it

I really enjoyed it

I played it twice, once on hmp and then UV and then another time on UV with the Duke Nukem 3d weapons

Basically anything you see on Zero Master and Decinos channels I’ve played

My first wad ever was Doom Zero

[woven swallow]

top 10 2025 favorite wads for doom

1 We have doom at home
2 Blue brother 2025
3 Sunder (map21)
4 Eisberg
5 Crimson horror
6 Neon overdrive
7 Sunless empire
8 Amalagoom
9 Where the demons cry
10 Dead seas scrolls

[calm lichen]

Oh I loved Amalagoom

I need someone to do the Amalagoom stuff with Heretic and Hexen

It’d be the ultimate fantasy nightmare