classic-doom

[finite crag]

I'm currently making a doom-style game (not a megawad but a game nonetheless)
I give every level a different theme/layout to keep things kinda fresh

Maybe even some gameplay alterations for variety

[raven dune]

yeah map 04 has a little shop run by commander keen in my megawad

[finite crag]

that's cool

[raven dune]

which one is your game inspired by btw?

like wich doom

[finite crag]

Mostly quake actually but also DOOM 3

And the absence of up-and-down camera like in DOOM 1 and 2

[raven dune]

peak

[finite crag]

thankss

[raven dune]

map 04 has been my main suffering for the past 2 days

[finite crag]

Gameplay styles I employed (every level also has platforming elements, but some more than others. I was also inspired by Crash Bandicoot, going for a PS1 vibe):
Level1-Typical Quake-esque fetch quest in the city
Level2-Fetch quest with a stealth aspect in the forest
Level3-Linear level on Antarctica, just make your way to the end of the stage while jumping moving platforms and fending off infected
Level4-Chase sequence, can't fight back
Level5-Medieval-style fetch/escape quest
Level6-Destroying one of the enemies' bases
Level7-A straight-up homage to Crash Bandicoot's the high road.
Level8-Underwater level, had to change my character's gravity and physics to get it to work
Level9-Another linear level with a 'floor is lava' challenge, like those classic platforming levels where you have to deal with rising lava/toxic waste and get to the top asap
Level10-A sniper section on an icebreaker, basically a scroller-type of level
Level11-A slaughtermap

Etc.

This is only a rough sketch, maybe things'll change. But yeah these are 11 maps I finished

There'll be a boss level for sure

[raven dune]

sounds cool

[hardy hamlet]

The ones in 64 are the most annoying ones in Doom history

[finite crag]

absolutely

[halcyon willow]

[finite crag]

Pain elementals in other games are spoopy bastards, but in D64 they just have this 'NO FUN ALLOWED!' appearance

[vestal flower]

They will fr spawn so many lost souls

[dusty pivot]

64's underrated in my opinion

[finite crag]

It is very underrated and pretty damn cool too

[halcyon willow]

I'd argue the D64 pain elemental is far more terrifying

It fills the niche that the archvile does in Doom 2. The "oh fuck I need to deal with that fast" monster

[glass bough]

anyone wanna play co op

[silk smelt]

at least it isnt hitscan

[hallow meadow]

e1m1 is a bangerrrrrrrr

[copper estuary]

Nobody?

[blissful night]

Has anyone messed around with the mods on the doom1+2 bundle in multiplayer?

[slate gyro]

I mean, I can totally see where you're coming from, but the 64 version doesn't look all funny and cute while running around. I understand why it doesn't, as it wouldn't fit the tone of the game, but I like the classic and Eternal design better, as well as its characterisations

I have encountered just one on my playthrough and I blasted it with a rocket launcher. Wish me luck if they're as dangerous as Arch-Viles

[storm tapir]

Oh you wish they were just as dangerous as archviles.

They make viles look like low priority fodder at times.

[still gate]

Doom 64 enviroment really reminds me of Dark phantasy from Doom TDA

[vestal flower]

Thats why 64 is my favorite

[still gate]

Imagine what delevopers made a plot twist from 28 years ago and it's just been found out in Doom TDA

[vestal flower]

Still, I like the environments, weapon and demon designs

[twin mortar]

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[calm cradle]

👍

[delicate sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[twin mortar]

Scam was posted

[delicate sluice]

The only scam in here, is you

[twin mortar]

Thank you

[delicate sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-441666516964176409

Im watching you Sonic

[vestal flower]

Finally got every achievement in doom + doom 2

[modern peak]

i wish more people were playing the kex engine ports deathmatch

and preferably not all the way from afghanistan or some shit so i have normal ping

[twin mortar]

That is why not a lot play, the netcode is terrible

Not like the X360 port's one was better though

But at least it had no censorship (aside from the pills)

[modern peak]

if only all zandronum servers didnt have like 20 million mods

[halcyon willow]

It's easy to set up your own server with TSPG

[spare gull]

Hello

[finite crag]

Doom 64 environment gives me a Tim Burton vibe

[dense dawn]

so i played classic doom on game pass for my first ever fps game just about a week ago and damn am i hooked

it's amazing (well at least to my standards)

[still gate]

I have a mindset of a 5 years old, finishing any video game or movie and then saying it was great and peak

[stiff relic]

So I'm kinda stuck on the yellow keycard puzzle on level 8 of Doom 64. Does anybody know how to do that puzzle?

It's my first time playing 64 and I'm trying to avoid video guides in certain situations

[true urchin]

what's the setting in gzddom that makes weapon names pop up when you're scrolling through them

nvm found it its "nametag" apparently

[glass bough]

@reef frost you down for co op

[reef frost]

heck yeah!

[reef frost]

ill start a room and give ya the code

[glass bough]

alr awesome

[reef frost]

BFBG is the code

[glass bough]

yo

[woven swallow]

hello

[glass bough]

you still dowm for co op

[woven swallow]

no, sorry

jesus chirst that was 12:55 pm

sorry for the late reply

[glass bough]

lol it’s fine

[severe birch]

I'm trying to play the total conversion mod Ashes 2063, but it isn't working with ZDL. It runs fine without it, but I need to be able to change the save file location and I don't know how to do that without ZDL.

[woven swallow]

Wait, Zdl as in the doom launcher or something else?

[balmy nimbus]

Xd

[woven swallow]

hello thedoom

[balmy nimbus]

Hello :D

[woven swallow]

welcome to the server mate

you are new around right

[balmy nimbus]

I just got a rendering banned just because it's a woman

<:v

[woven swallow]

wha

hello Da toasty mane

[wide shale]

Yeah he means the zdl launcher thing for online play

Wouldn’t zandranom through doomseeker work

[balmy nimbus]

It's just my oc komodo in a dress, what's so inappropriate about that? >:v

[wide shale]

That’s how me and my buddy got to playing online honestly with radmin for hosting lan server and it went really well

[woven swallow]

i never seen your oc before, so i don't know

[balmy nimbus]

XD

[vale gyro]

That’s not even what he’s using it for

[vale gyro]

Still got no clue why your shit ain’t working. I guess look into using batch files, I suppose.

I’d help more directly but I’m about 200+ miles away from any of my computers

[wide shale]

Ohhhhh lol

[wide shale]

Hello

[vast reef]

did the dress have any cutouts or was it like that western comic book style vacuum packed clothing

[mighty walrus]

#general

[balmy nimbus]

she dont have weird cuts or anything else

[solid tundra]

Does anyone know anything about this?

[glass bough]

i thought startskill was used to change the difficulty

[solid tundra]

I don’t think that’s the case because typing it in without a number reads your selected difficulty until you do something that triggers the change like I wrote

[severe birch]

the launcher

[severe birch]

No not for online play, for changing the save file location

[silk smelt]

speaking of doom 1 + 2, i tend to play gzdoom instead because d1+2 has weird input lag that i cant seem to shake with vsync/mouse settings, anyone else got this?

cant find a fix for it

[reef frost]

guys

just started a match

if anyone wants to join, the code is VWDF

Legacy of rust, Ultra-Violence

change of plans, doom 1 UV

[reef frost]

E2M1 time

[olive python]

guys

do you think my high end pc will run classic doom?

it barely makes minesweeper go up to 30 fps

[vestal flower]

Yes

[woven swallow]

yes

[median cloud]

Hmmm I remember this being a thing during the first releases but not the latter ones

the steam port does feel super smooth however which could be some sort of vsync technology

Atleast I don't really notice egregious input lag anymore on the Steam port nowadays, I capped fps to my refresh rate iirc

[silk smelt]

It might be a refresh rate issue, my monitor is 240. I'll try lowering it a little when I get home

[vast reef]

do u intend to get into like speedrunning or competitive/serious play

cuz gzdoom isn't accepted for stuff like that because of its engine changes

[silk smelt]

No I just want the same responsiveness

[slate gyro]

Guys, what are your thoughts on Legacy of Rust? Personally, I really enjoyed this expansion due to the level design, music, new guns and enemies, and even the story! The only level I really disliked was Second Coming due to the low amount of resources it posseses as well as the confusing layout (though the music is a banger), and my favourites have to be Sanguine Wastes, Coiled City and Soul Silo

[median cloud]

I have a 240hz as well I think I have it capped to 120

[silk smelt]

Do you find that helps?

[median cloud]

Honestly I havent had a problem with input lag since the first patch so I couldn't tell you

[icy panther]

im not sure whether i should ask this here or in modding channel, but has anyone had problems running mods in coop with kex engine? (doom + doom 2 steam release)

i was playing some eviternity coop with a friend, when we'd stumble into occasional desyncs or projectiles not being visible at all (but we can still hit enemies with them and vise versa), while that was relatively minor and usually got fixed after remaking a lobby, or magically on its own after a while

when eventually we got to map 15, game was straight unplayable, hosts game runs at 10ish fps, while other player cant see any sprites at all (monsters, projectiles, weapons, pickups, etc.) but still can interract with them (pick weapons/ammo up, even while invisible on their end), we tried switching whom hosts the game but the issues remained the same

we then tried switching to ancient aliens and playing that, but when we got to map 9 same issues started happening

side note: both of these mods, and mentioned maps work flawlessly in single player, these issues only appear in coop

is there anything we can do to address any of these issues? or at least improve the experience a little bit

[vale gyro]

It’s all netcode issues, sadly

You can’t fix them

[icy panther]

ah... unfortunate

i was tempted to try something less taxing for the engine, like scythe 2 for example or some older wads, but same thing might just happen again at some point somewhere

[vale gyro]

If you’re on PC, I suggest just using Zandronum

[icy panther]

may have to try zandronum-

yeah, was about to type that

[tired marlin]

I have decided to rebeat original Doom games BUT

I want to try beating them on Chocolate Doom source port, since it's the most vanilla doom experience ever

[hardy basin]

go 4 it

[vast reef]

if you wanna get even more vanilla you can emulate the game on dosbox

or fuck it, run ms-dos in a vm lmao

[tired marlin]

I play it on my phone, and it's much comfier to play a source port

[vast reef]

yeah you need to be coderpenguin1 levels of vanilla addict to play dosbox

[hardy basin]

I can play on dosbox without any issues

[vast reef]

yeah but you are #DoomAdept

[hardy basin]

Working towards to become #DoomMaster next

[fringe kernel]

I Really Like Classic Doom

[vast reef]

I Really Like Classic Doom

[fringe kernel]

😄

[vale gyro]

Same. They're personally my favorites in the series.

[wide shale]

It’s the best

[clever zinc]

https://youtu.be/RX8ZcuobjqA?si=z8ul1jKmwfZCbooU

[maiden salmon]

fr

[woven swallow]

Me as well

[ancient torrent]

hi people

[paper zodiac]

hello

[tired marlin]

So you gotta kill all those 500 revenants just to get a invisibility sphere and a pack of bullets

[storm tapir]

Nice that will help kill the 500 chaingunners in next room

[thorny hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-cacodemon-gotta-get-that-gif-10292131285443384149

Hi guys!

[brisk magnet]

phobos lab is breaking me

[vale gyro]

What difficulty, even?

[brisk magnet]

hurt me plenty

it's this u shaped hallway bit

lemme pull up the map

[vale gyro]

nah, I know what you're talking about more than likely

it's behind the yellow key door, correct?

[brisk magnet]

yes

[vale gyro]

if so, initially ignore the enemies that come out the walls and go straight for the switch on the other side

you'll have much more room to actually fight there

[brisk magnet]

i see

i'll try that

[vale gyro]

if needed, grab the rad suit that's hidden behind a wall, where that little indent is

you can also find a chainsaw and a supercharge if you keep just opening walls in that area

[brisk magnet]

i've already got the saw

i don't use it much tho cuz the eternal emulator makes it sound weird

[vale gyro]

tbh one of the worst ports of the Classic games is the Eternal one

it works... okay, I guess

[brisk magnet]

it's just what ive got rn

[vale gyro]

I do suggest getting it on PC if you can

you can get the whole Classic Doom series (minus 64) for only $10

though, don't use the official port

you'd want to use a source port instead

they'll give you a much better experience

if you can't get it on PC for any reason, the console version also works, but it can be quite buggy at times

[twin mortar]

Waiting for ProgrammerDog2 to come here and talk about how goated GZDoom with texture filtering and Brutal DOOM is, + freelook and jumping

[vast reef]

who

[twin mortar]

ProgrammerDog2... like... you know... the antithesis of CoderPenguin1

[vast reef]

oh

[woven swallow]

Hello

Kenny here

[thick dew]

Hello

What are we chatting about today lads

[woven swallow]

hello phill

[woven swallow]

nothing for now

[thick dew]

👋

[thick dew]

Gotcha

Well, if there's any cool talk ( I know they will be cus you guys are cool) I will be sure to drop by

[ripe tree]

Soooo I'm at Mephisto's Massuleum now.

Good thing I learned to fight boneys a while back cause OMFG

[storm tapir]

so did you finish it? because the revenants are maybe the easiest part lol

[serene shard]

Doom 64 makes my skin crawl at times

[thick trench]

Got stuck there for too long before finding how to proceed.

[ripe tree]

Just did!

Had to restart the level cause I saved with 7 rockets left

right at the end

I'm so glad it doesn't matter if you die as long as you take down the Icon of Sin with you

Can finally cross that off my childhood "couldn't do"s
Final Doom next, on UV as well. 😄

[jade ether]

https://youtu.be/6e8WrmOibpM?si=_n2j9gTCMbxkX56f

How was this made in the doom engine?

It looks sick!

[dense plinth]

GZDoom, that's how

[vale gyro]

Yeah

GZDoom is so far from it being the Doom engine that it's basically it's own engine that can play Doom stuff

[jade ether]

Ik ik

Ive used it. But im just in awe

[pale garnet]

Guys what's the best doom mod(s), leaning towards vanilla and quality of life changes would be preferable

[west radish]

GZDOOM optimization sucks

[woven swallow]

smooth doom

just makes the weapons animations smoother....that's pretty much i can think of

[pale garnet]

Anything that changes the way of aiming?

Instead of just side-to-side

[woven swallow]

i can't think of any, if you just want vanilla gameplay with more settings and modern features than use a sourceport like dsda doom, nyan doom, nugget doom and woof

[pale garnet]

Alr thx for the suggestions!

[woven swallow]

hang on, are you on console or pc?

[pale garnet]

Pc

[woven swallow]

ok

[keen comet]

Hi all! I felt like playin some modded old school Doom again and just started playing Project Brutality and it's great! Does anyone know where the option is to turn on/off the marine buddies? they should be on by default but I want to make sure I see them instead of the Invisibility Sphere like in Brutal Doom. I'm using the latest version of PB 1.3.1 I think.

I've also tried spawning them but 'summon ally' or 'summon marine' doesn't work it just says 'unknown actor or visual thinker' Maybe they took them out I'm not sure, is there any other version of the mod for download anywhere?

Thanks,

[woven swallow]

Question: why do you need them? Just play it as it is
(Oh also, have you tried searching it in GZdoom settings? There should be a search bar to easily find what you are looking for)

[wide shale]

cause its set on by default

the turn off feature should be in the project brutality settings

the version i got dosent have the marine allies from what im noticing so i cant pinpoint it

[keen comet]

Is it? thats wierd as I keep seeing invisibility spheres and no marines, I swear I have looked everywhere in the setting but can't find it.
Yeh maybe this version doesn't have them, mine is 0.3.1

[wide shale]

i know older versions did have it and brutal doom i think still possibly has it

i dont think alot of people liked marine allies so it probably was removed

i dont mind it but i usually turn it off myself

cause the allies can get you killed so easy lol

[keen comet]

Yeh ok I see, I did try an older 2.0 version of PB which had them but i'd rather play the newest one.
Yes Brutal Doom has them

[brisk magnet]

"i cant leave without my buddy superfly.."

[wide shale]

id message the creator somehow he might be nice enough and include it in next time or provide insight on how to include it back in

or maybe hes working on it

cause he did change quite a bit it seems

[keen comet]

Will do, yeh they just updated it recently so he might fingers crossed hah

[wide shale]

maybe something was conflicitng

cause the latest style of project brutality is actually so good

so smooth and nice

[keen comet]

Yes it sure is!
"0.3.0 Alpha update, 10 year anniversary! Jun 16 2025" yep so it's alpha the file I have is called Project_Brutality_0.3.1_alpha too, thanks didn't think of that so I'll see what the final version is like

[keen comet]

OK quick update, joined the Discord, asked them and here they gave me the addon file, easy

[wide shale]

nice see thats based

[junior dune]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=FXAL3LEYaKA&si=risxDcmnGiRTiZUy

Here’s one of my videos

[rugged copper]

Woua

[halcyon willow]

Not really. It's still very much idtech1. The biggest change was introducing Hexen with the doom in hexen format which brought things like polyobjects and ACS scripts. GZDoom having things like dynamic lights is a purely a change to the renderer, not some fundamental change to the engine itself. Zscript was the 2nd major change but the reason that is so powerful is it allows code to reach deeper into the engine. But GZDoom is still fundamentally, at its core, idtech1

The difference between GZDoom and Quake is massive

[vale gyro]

you can improve your time by a bit if you go straight for the door instead of going around all the way to it

also, dunno if this is really possible on the mobile version, but move diagonally instead of moving perfectly straight

[undone river]

Random thought but has anyone ever wished they were in the classic Doom world? Because I do, lol

[vestal flax]

Why on earth would you want that

[junior dune]

I’ve done it on PC as well

[vale gyro]

Ah, neat.

I have my own NoMo run on E1M1 as well if you want it.

It's nowhere near it being any good, it's only a sub10

[junior dune]

I’m good

[reef frost]

if anyone wants to join a match of doom 1, xhvb

[thick cloak]

Hey! Did this ever work for you? I tried using "new game" but it never worked for me.

[thick cloak]

nvm I figured it out from a discord message from 2021...

It's based off the averages of each level's run. So if you have really slow times from before it can really hinder you.

i

Personally I had a few levels paused via the touch pad (on ps5) when playing doom the first time so this caused my clear times to balloon to multiple days.

I had to erase all my data and speedrun it again

[twin mortar]

Oh huh that's weird, it's not like this on Xbox

[vast reef]

gzdoom being still inherently based on id tech 1 is the reason it isn't as peformative as other 3d engines when used for more non-doom purposes

and that's a good thing! gzdoom is compatible with a fuckload of shit (or shitload of fuck, your call) and i think you'd have to sacrifice that compatibility for performance

it can be used as a general purpose game engine but it's still at its heart a doom engine and that's still its best use-case

[vast reef]

i would like someone more knowledgeable on gzdoom to correct me if i'm wrong bc i'm just parroting shit i hear online

[wide shale]

you said it good enough honestly

anything else is just nerdisms

gzdoom based is smallest way to put it

i like the variety of source ports og doom has honestly its just wild to see

[clever zinc]

yes

[vast reef]

you of all people have no right to dismiss anything as nerdisms after saying "why are you even using zlib lol" in response to an explanation of what the "corrupt zlib stream" error message meant

hoooooly fucking shit dude thank you for that it helps me when i feel shitty and need a laugh

[wide shale]

your trippin lol

[halcyon willow]

Most people don't see ot realise that being compatible with as many Doom maps as possible (vanilla, boom, mbf etc) is the single most important design brief. Ironically this holds back performance improvements. If you want to see an engine unfettered by adherence to backwards compatibility that would be vkdoom. vkdoom will be compatible with a lot of older maps, but it's not the primary concern. The primary concerns are adding in the new features Nash needs for Disdan (his game), and performance improvements in both the renderer and netcode.

[halcyon willow]

You're surrounded by nerds bro. Deal with it

[wide shale]

uhhh i know

[twin mortar]

Source port history is intriguing but it is unfortunate how some people just do not respect if you want to play a different source port than them

Someone in another server once asked if we'd like a hypothetical Heretic remaster to be done in GZ. I personally said no, and the poster asked me why I whine about GZ instead of using another source port... even though their question was about GZ

[halcyon willow]

Rules for source ports:

• Use the one you like
• If you're using a source port that is not on the tested compatibility list for a map, don't complain if things break

I've been using zdoom family ports almost exclusively for 20 years. Anything else feels weird to me these days

[calm cradle]

You’re missing a rule

[twin mortar]

Don't push your preference to others

[calm cradle]

• fix it yourself if you don’t like it

[twin mortar]

Even if I want to gag when I see texture filtering

[calm cradle]

Well most people don’t realize that’s a setting you can turn off

[halcyon willow]

What the fuck are you doing here then

Get nuked idiot

[coarse horizon]

?

[ripe tree]

Man Plutonia is SO much harder overall than Master Levels

I like how I'm not even halfway through the official classic Doom episodes lol

[wide shale]

its got some sneaky stuff for sure lol

[obsidian stream]

how do I get cool nametag colour

[vale gyro]

Basically the only way you can in this server is to boost.

[obsidian stream]

then I boost

I boosted

ayyyy

this is kinda tuff

[halcyon willow]

Be cool

[obsidian stream]

but im kool

[halcyon willow]

Hmmm

close enough

[slate bough]

Hi

[red harbor]

am i crazy or does freedoom phase 1's e1m2 only have 5 secrets instead of the listed 7 secret sectors

[woven swallow]

hi Ggr\

[umbral shale]

I remember when freedoom was called knight and had a white gorilla for a baron

[vernal rune]

Survived Map 27: The Stench Of Evil from Alien Vendetta. Holy hell! The blue archvile cave is really cool where you have about 50 barons chasing you inside.

[wide shale]

Sounds like I need to give alien vendetta a go

[vernal rune]

Make sure to use your ammo sparingly!

[wide shale]

If it annoys me enough I’ll just cheat honestly I like just slaughtering

But I’ll most likely just stay faithful to gameplay

Especially after a day of work honestly I usually just prefer sittin back and being able to kill with the whole arsenal and not have to worry about ammo management as much

[ripe tree]

I like when I have to accept that the best course of action is sometimes to run, and save ammo for hard confrontations where there's no place to run

[wide shale]

Yeah it gets rough sometimes

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/oF6x-UXsOig?si=Yypx2pVGYtrntpIC FUCKING HOW

[wide shale]

That thumbnail looks insane on its own

[hexed escarp]

He says he's gonna try uv next

[storm tapir]

AV isn't even slaughter for the biggest part

A lot of maps will break you without relying on huge enemy counts (although secrets are more than enough to make any of them easy)

And you don't need to save ammo on most maps, unless you are never using berserk

if a map gives you berserk then use it!! at least use it on pinkies

Even better if you can berserk solo barons & hell knights / revs

[wide shale]

i was just saying i like to slaughter demons with alot of ammo like all the time XD but i always try to use berserk on simple stuff as much as possible

[storm tapir]

Yes I mean a lot of maps might discourage you if you don't like slower (still ruthless) encounters 😛

But then again you can just play the last 6 maps, but you will miss a lot of nice maps including the most famous map in the wad

[wide shale]

I never really try to skip maps

[halcyon willow]

I never found AV to be particularly ammo restrictive

Best way to conserve ammo is to be efficient with the bfg (have to have it obviously), and maxmise rocket damage

Technically the rocket launcher has infinite damage potential, the bfg has a (high) damage cap

Eg, if you're fighting 2 barons it is more efficient to kill them with a bfg shot than the plasma rifle, provided you can land the bfg tracers well

[wide shale]

Huh it never feels like it has infinite wild

[halcyon willow]

Well it depends on the hitbox size

The more enemies you can fit inside the damage radius, the more damage you are doing

Other big way to get more ammo efficient is to use infighting, particularly if there's a cyberdemon in the fight. Infinite ammo rocket launcher to use on my enemies? Yes please

[wide shale]

The enemy of my enemy is suddenly my friend is always the goat move

[storm tapir]

I never run out of ammo in it, I run out of ammo in Hell Revealed more than AV.

[wide shale]

Nice I got distracted yesterday I found a mod where I could play unreal tournament 99 and 2004 campaign with mutators and I sat and I was just happy about that all day lol

[slate bough]

Hi

[wide shale]

https://tenor.com/view/brok-unreal-tournament-bio-rifle-gif-24640324

[woven swallow]

Hello

Kenny here

[deep kettle]

hello

idk if anyone else have this problem with doom + doom 2, my player name is always in yellow...its weird

[woven swallow]

DEAD CHAR

[wide shale]

Classic doom is officially dead

It’s over

[woven swallow]

FAWKKKKK

[wide shale]

I know it’s sad times man

[mortal silo]

It'll come back. We've had some of the best releases ever in the last couple years. And there are some projects in the works I am excited about. I wouldn't be surprised if we end the year on a classical Doom bang... And next year we see btsx3 and plutonia3 plus more good stuff.

[umbral shale]

Noooo you know it isn't

Gets mods daily and has basically infinite replayability

Online co-op for everybody is a W

[vestal flax]

why are doom 64 maps so convoluted goddamn

[zinc stirrup]

Haven't had a chance to play Doom 64 yet, but I own it and hope to play it soon.

[vestal flower]

It's good, it's just that some people think it's not really a doom game cuz of how dark it is

[deep kettle]

doom 64 is a wild version , that for sure

[zinc stirrup]

Yeah, that’s kinda why I want to play Doom 64. I keep hearing it’s weird and moody and not quite like the others. Gimme the creepy off-brand Doom vibes, lol.

[rare drum]

it leans into horror more than it does action i think

[zinc stirrup]

Would you say it's like Doom 3?

[rare drum]

i havent rlly played doom 3 much but doom 64s just like darker, eepy doom

no action music, scary ambient

[vestal flax]

Yeah p much

[red harbor]

what

[wide shale]

So they smoke crack yes

The main valid reason I understand someone being like this just isn’t it

Is that in the og cartridge version depending on your tv

This game actually was unplayable

[vestal flower]

Well still, imo it's a good game

[wide shale]

It is

But I’m just being forreal I’ve experienced it on a tv even with brightness maxed and game brightness max

It was still dark as fuck

[stiff basalt]

bad doom game when game's dark

[vestal flower]

Not necessarily, I think the darkness puts a nice eerie atmosphere in the game, which kinda fits in with the action

[wide shale]

See this is history I wish I could have recorded just to show this off lol

[tight hinge]

Yo people, my favourite doom is probably the first one tbh, (sorry for butting in I just don't know how to start convos)

[wide shale]

The first one is the best

[tight hinge]

Frr

[vestal flower]

It's so good they put it on everything

[tight hinge]

[stiff basalt]

i kinda prefer plutonia because it feels like the most complete experience

[tight hinge]

Fair, I think the first is the best because the bosses are pretty cool, and I just like the graphics and storyline

[stiff basalt]

ultimate doom with doom 2 content would have been peak ngl

[tight hinge]

Fr

Ima go to sleep its like 2am for me, gn people :o thanks for letting me talk abt doom with yuw

[stiff basalt]

gn

[vestal flower]

Np, gn

[wide shale]

Like enemies

Cause there is a couple mods that atleast has doom 2 enemies in

1 where they are randomized

And the second one being I think a actual redone map wad with them in it

And there is a mod file where you can have the double barrel in doom 1

The only other thing I can think of kinda say use for sorta a doom 2 experience in doom 1

Is use maps of chaos one of the versions extends the maps alil

And isn’t to overbearing with enemies

So you could sorta get that close peak experience

[vagrant lark]

yo :3

[woven swallow]

hi sweyl

[wide shale]

Hey kenny

[tired marlin]

I rebeated the original DOOM

On my phone

It took me in total 3.5 hours to beat it

[zinc stirrup]

Are the controls weird on the phone? Or did you have a controller with you?

[robust cloak]

Hello, i just bought doom 1+2 (never played any doom game before) and im seeing there's more than just doom 1 and 2, things like master levels and sigil etc. is there an order in which i should play them? or should i just go by release order the way its listed

[woven swallow]

1 doom
2 doom2
3 final doom (tnt and plutonia, i recommend going tnt first and plutonia second)
4 masterlevels
5 no rest for the living
6 sigill

7 legacy of rust

[tired marlin]

Controls are fine, i played on touch screen

[robust cloak]

thank you 😄

[zinc stirrup]

I struggle with touch screen, so major props to you for getting it done!

[honest hawk]

I completed Doom 64 100% 👍

[silver tinsel]

Ok

[azure nimbus]

start with doom1, doom2. Master Levels...you might consider skipping for a while. They're kinda bad. I think sigil is a good first extracurricular wad to try after doom2. Plutonia or scythe2 are also good starters to custom stuff (I know plut is official but it wasn't made by id)

[vivid mica]

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[halcyon willow]

Lexicon is the only thing that sounds like that

[vivid mica]

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[candid birch]

Speaking of trying to find a wad...I'm struggling to find one.

So basically it's doom 2 but you're heading back after taking out Icon. So you start in the arena from map 30 but it's all trashed from the fight and you're going back through the levels?

[candid birch]

The other thing I can think of is in a way you start at the 'exit' and the exit is at level start?

Someone else in the Romero discord answered. It was "The Long Trek Back Home"

[woven swallow]

Even me with 25gbs worth of custom wads, I can’t think of any…..

[woven swallow]

Oh hang on….this might be wrong but is it Eviternity 2?

[flint plover]

25gbs?!

[woven swallow]

i feel like that's kinda low for some reason....

[deep kettle]

😂 25gbs is a wild amount of wads

[woven swallow]

"how much is too much....."

[warped vale]

?

why are you here (whispering the way king novik whispered to the slayer in doom eternal)

[umbral shale]

<@&162901871168585728>
Got another one

Thanks

[warped vale]

another one?

[umbral shale]

Ye there was another one earlier in #videos

[warped vale]

who are they?

[umbral shale]

Wdym they're bots

Report and move on

[warped vale]

bots? I thought they were real people just trolling to be a girl

[umbral shale]

Or that

Either way avoid and report

[warped vale]

alr thanks

[warped vale]

this is so peak tho

[fast marsh]

Hi guys

[warped vale]

sup

[obtuse tendon]

are you allowed to edit the doom wiki to add stuff about a map you made or is that not allowed

like can i add trivia about the map i made a while ago and forgot about to the wiki or is that not ok

[true urchin]

the chainsaw is so cool i wish it was actually a good weapon

[vestal flax]

in doom 64 it's amazing

[zinc stirrup]

What do y'all use the chainsaw for in Doom 2? I only use it for the Pinkies. To conserve ammo, because I go thru ammo a lot. I don't have a very good aim.

[vale gyro]

Mainly pinkies as well

Though also on hitscanners sometimes

[zinc stirrup]

Okay, so I'm not being stupid by only using it on Pinkies then, lol.

I think I saw someone use them on the Mancubus, but I've tried it and it's too risky. Sometimes I end up taking point blank shot from them.

[vale gyro]

Yeah. I usually just take advantage of infighting to conserve ammo instead

[zinc stirrup]

Oh, totally. I love when I get that to work out, lol.

[bitter shell]

i just use the super shotgun and they obliterated

i actually never use the chainsaw and mainly use the super shotgun and chaingun

unless i have no ammo

[zinc stirrup]

I love the super shotgun so much. I gotta stop myself from using it on everyone because of the ammo, lmao. But it's so perfect.

[true urchin]

nothin

absolutely nothin

at least in doom 1 and 2 its never a good idea to try to fight in melee range

[umbral shale]

Berserk can really help

With imps, pinkies

[true urchin]

you ALWAYS take damage in the process unless you're a strafing god and have like frame perfect punches but like, for the rest of us mere mortals its never worth the risj

[umbral shale]

Depends on your skill and situation

[true urchin]

why risk getting into melee range when you have shotgun

[umbral shale]

To save up ammo, and frankly, berserk does more damage

[true urchin]

if you're in such a fucked position that you can't spare 2 shells to take down a pinky

i dont know what to tell you a chainsaw's not gonna save you you got bigger issues

[umbral shale]

I said berserk

[true urchin]

ok? who cares, imps get one tapped by the combat shotty and pinkies die instantly to a super meatshot

its faster, its more safe and more reliable

[umbral shale]

I said in case

It is useful

[true urchin]

its not tho

[umbral shale]

And especially in tougher wads where you need to conserve ammo

[true urchin]

who cares about penny pinching individual shotgun shells

[umbral shale]

I'm talking abt harder wads that utilize ammo management

[true urchin]

if you're that desperate for ammo you're already FUBAR'd most likely

[umbral shale]

Not really sure abt doom 1 and 2 tho

Plutonia most likely more

And in Legacy of Rust minus the vassagos don't go near those

[true urchin]

and even then, like, the chainsaw's one (1) use case is saving a whole two (2) shells per pinky

wow dude what a good weapon 10/10 really carrying the run there isnt it

[umbral shale]

Chainsaw is very useful for the pain elemental

Bc of it's super high pain chance

[true urchin]

except its not because pain elementals never spawn alone so you're just getting shot in the process

which wouldn't happen if you used, like

[umbral shale]

Use them as a meatshield

[true urchin]

a gun

[umbral shale]

But they're beefy

[true urchin]

ok but what if, and i know this is pretty radical but just hear me out: you shoot them, with a gun, and then they die

and you dont have to worry about getting into melee range or perfectly positioning yourself to not get assblasted by projectiles and hitscan

[umbral shale]

I'm not saying chainsaw evertyime you see them but they are useful and more skilled players take advantage of their infinite ammo capacity

It's in case

[true urchin]

and im not saying the chainsaw is literally unusable im saying it has so few legitimate use cases i usually forget it exists because its straight ass

[umbral shale]

I mean fair

[vale gyro]

I do genuinely prefer saving as much ammo as possible and would actually sometimes rather punch out a baron at times

[true urchin]

the amount of enemy encounters on most average maps ive played where trying to get into chainsaw range is anything but a death wr speedrun strat is slim to none

[vale gyro]

some mapsets just genuinely lack ammo

for example, ERASER literally has no ammo for about the first 30 minutes or so

[true urchin]

maybe its just a map difference but deadass i usually wind up finding more shotgun shells than i can even carry so my go-to solution to every problem involves generous application of buckshot

[vale gyro]

you are basically forced into using melee to conserve what little ammo is around

[true urchin]

shotgunners drop 4 shells, each, on every kill

even if you kill them with a shotgun its 3 shells EACH

[vale gyro]

yeah, and generally mapsets will throw much more than shotgunners at you

[true urchin]

yeah that's what the excess shells are for

[vale gyro]

like some fights I can go from 100 all the way down to 30 shells even with perfect accuracy, and with no blockmap nonsense

[true urchin]

i guess my point is that unless you're literally out of all ammo and are FORCED into melee the chainsaw is just straight dogshit for 99% of encounters

[vale gyro]

so you will be fighting for ammo in some WADs almost constantly

[umbral shale]

I think this convo applies to base classic games

Ignoring expansions

[vale gyro]

If it's just base, well yeah. Becacuse Doom 1 and 2 just throw a ton of ammo at you anyways.

Though seeing how enemies are placed (especially in Doom 1) I still will just berserk my way through a level

[true urchin]

we could argue for hours about "well but what if the map has literally zero ammo drops and you have to fight 30 revenants off of a pistol start" but ima keep it real with you chief that's hella semantics and i dont really care

[umbral shale]

There's no what ifs

[vale gyro]

with some enemies it's just outright quicker than shotgunning them

[umbral shale]

Wads should be part of the discussion

[true urchin]

my point is if you have bullets that you can use its damn near always better to simply shoot them with a gun

[umbral shale]

Melee is a good back up is all I'll say

[vale gyro]

yeah, the chainsaw or berserk's pretty good for pain elementals weirdly

[umbral shale]

Ye high pain chance

[vale gyro]

seeing that you want to fight them point blank to prevent them spawning lost souls

[true urchin]

ok but then you just get shot at while you're waiting 2-3 business days for chainsaw dps to kill them

[umbral shale]

Dawg if you have no chaingun it's better to melee

And no, classic doom is not that difficult, just hide behind it

[true urchin]

yeah if you literally dont have guns no shit its better

[umbral shale]

Alr agree to disagree man

I haven't had problems with the melee

I guess I know where to use it and on who

[true urchin]

but id rather fight a pain elemental with the combat shotgun than the fuckin chainsaw im 100% convinced that in any scenario other than a literal 1v1 id take less damage just shooting the fat bastard

[umbral shale]

Eehhh

Shotgun is slower

And he'll have a chance to spawn lost souls

Chainsaw negates any reaction time

[true urchin]

yeah but you aren't nearly as exposed in the process

[umbral shale]

To what?

It depends on the arena

[true urchin]

every other enemy in the area

[umbral shale]

If it's a tight corridor or the pain elemental is in front it's a better option

[vale gyro]

I just timed it. The chainsaw is only 20ms slower than the SSG in killing a pain elemental.

[true urchin]

it feels a hell of a lot slower idk

[umbral shale]

And ammo saved

[true urchin]

maybe because i cant fucking do ANYTHING else while im just waiting for him to fall over and die

istg the feedback on the chainsaw is so off it feels ass to use

i dont feel like im ripping and tearing my way through the forces of hell with a fucking chainsaw i feel like im poking a guy with a stick until he decides to fall over and die just to be polite

and im being FUCKING SHOT AT

idk the chainsaw has its uses once in a blue moon but ive never once enjoyed using it

[vale gyro]

Okay. I did retime it. It's actually 47ms slower.

[true urchin]

literally unplayable 0/10 john doom pls fix

[umbral shale]

Lmao

[candid birch]

Nah. As I said a bit after someone answered in the Romero games discord and it was 'The long trek back home'

[hexed escarp]

No, Eviternity 2 does that but with Eviternity 1s final boss and final 3 maps

Rather than the icon of sin

[urban night]

Haven’t played thy flesh consumed in a while. Perfect hatred is kicking my ass. Maybe worse than plutonia.

[azure nimbus]

Pains can't spawn lost souls when you're in melee range. So it's very easy and reliable to chainsaw them, at least assuming that you aren't surrounded by other enemies

[true urchin]

great idea if there's exactly one pain elemental and no other enemies but otherwise you're getting shot at the entire time

[halcyon willow]

Only if you stand still like an idiot

[true urchin]

if i dodge I get out of chainsaw range

[halcyon willow]

Again, this is a you problem

[silver sage]

Did someone just react to my message from 2 months ago?

[twin mortar]

You are the only person who can know that, except for the reactor of course

[azure nimbus]

Sometimes, it's possible to use the pain to body block for you from damage from other monsters

[granite glade]

That's funny

[uneven current]

I love classic doom so much it’s the greatest I get an erection every time I play

[wise vault]

I think I’m the only person who plays classic doom through doom 3 bfg edition lol

[stiff basalt]

pitch shifting pog

[vale gyro]

The lack of pitch shifting is one of the few bugs I am happy happened lol

[woven swallow]

same bro, same

[serene pagoda]

Real af

Always a lovely vibe to chill to

[hard prawn]

I don’t know as much as I should about classic doom. I’m very glad there’s still a player base though lol I’m just now in episode 3 on Doom 1 and I feel there is a lot to be experienced. lol But I also love the simplicity of just not having to swap guns every millisecond

[vale gyro]

I still personally swap guns quite a lot in Classic Doom

[stable basin]

What are your guys' opinion on Legacy of the Rust?

[vale gyro]

in maps with actual ammo issues it does quite help balancing out your resources

[hard prawn]

Oh I swap. I just mean like eternal’s quick swapping and that sort of stuff because I could never do it on controller

[vale gyro]

and well, situations change constantly so I could go from sniping to having to do crowd control quite quickly

[vale gyro]

Tbh I didn't like Eternal's reliance on quickswapping either

like it's not required but it's kinda incentivized

[hard prawn]

It’s borderline required for the dlcs at least because playing through those on a console was a living hell. with a controller quick swapping just doesn’t really exist so it becomes so immensely tedious that it ruins the experience for me lol

Like sometimes I just want to use 1 gun for an encounter, but eternal made you use everything in your entire kit for ALL encounters and I didn’t like that

[vale gyro]

Thinking about it, I actually use my full kit during fights more than I thought I did

as all of the weapons fill their weird niches in this game

[hard prawn]

maybe I haven’t gotten to hard enough content that’s made me had to do that yet. only on episode 3 in doom 1 but have played all of doom 2016, eternal and dark ages. Something about classic just feels pure though lol

[vale gyro]

Classic is my favorite in the series

[hard prawn]

and it’s almost addicting in a way how simplified classic is compared to newer dooms

[vale gyro]

Played Episode 1 and didn't really like it

and the enemies sprite-wise just felt completely out of place or just lazy

[vale gyro]

Classic works really well due to it's simplicity

You can quickly turn it complex as well

[hard prawn]

Yeah that’s why I like it so much. It’s simple, but you can turn it up a notch depending on how you’re wanting to play

[vale gyro]

also just how the map itself is designed can make it complex

as there's a ton of mechanics you just don't notice or the game doesn't tell you that some maps just outright utilize

like infighting

or ghost monsters (it's not an intended feature, but caused by a bug instead)

to me the Classic games are really just puzzle and strategy games hidden behind an FPS shell and I love it

[woven swallow]

peak

[visual iris]

Haven't heard of it

[stiff basalt]

I hate it because there's like three maps where its easy to die if you are doing single segment runs

[vale gyro]

it's the official expansion added alongside Doom + Doom 2

[visual iris]

:0

[woven swallow]

the custom maps makes it infinitely better

[woven swallow]

"legacy of rust is BBBBEEED because I SUCK!"

[stiff basalt]

no u

[woven swallow]

i'm kidding, please don't kill me

[vale gyro]

like I can't pinpoint what exactly I didn't like

but I just couldn't really find it fun, especially the last two maps of Episode 1

[stiff basalt]

coiled city is pain

[vale gyro]

like, I somehow had more fun with Scythe 2

... ignoring episodes 5 and 6

holy fuck I hated those episodes

I didn't even finish Episode 6

[zenith berry]

“Doom II: It will consume you!”, a statement from the commercial that remains true to this very day.

Once you start digging deeper to its infinite depths of user created content, there’s no turning back.

[stable basin]

Legacy of Rust is... okay, not so bad, but not so good

[umbral shale]

Why what is it

Difficulty maybe?

[stable basin]

At times

Like gameplay overall, it's good sometimes, but other times it's meh

The new enemies are kinda sick though

[umbral shale]

It's the best classic gameplay from the expansions imo

Cuz of the new enemies

(The bar isn't set high from Doom 1 and 2)

But the music too

Godamn

[stable basin]

The music in this wad is actually super cool, I can't lie.

[umbral shale]

Super groovy

[vale gyro]

Tbh I somehow had more fun with TNT

[umbral shale]

Tnt is not my thing, that's all I'll say

[vale gyro]

Fair enough

[umbral shale]

Ye

[vale gyro]

I personally like it, but that’s legitimately just me

[umbral shale]

Bruh idc

[umbral shale]

Uh that was in response to the mrbeast guy for context

[honest hawk]

i just completed doom classic with 100% achievements

and i wonder how long it took others to complete 100% achievements in classic doom

It took me 88 hours on ultra-violence

[vestal flower]

2 hours

[honest hawk]

what, how?

[vestal flower]

You can have cheats on and it won't turn off achievements

[honest hawk]

This is not fair, I do not approve of this

[vestal flower]

Dw, I got mad at the game when I wasn't unlocking achievements at first, then I found out that I didn't sign in on Bethesda

[honest hawk]

does this affect the achievements?

[vestal flower]

For signing in on your account, yes you have to be signed in to get the achievements

[honest hawk]

in that case it is justified

[hearty gorge]

Doomdouche you cheater

I scrapped tears off my eyes 100% the ps4 version

[sharp wyvern]

It’s sooo good

[true urchin]

playing a doom mod based on metal slug and i have officially found the best weapon in the history of doom

https://imgur.com/a/67YMiHd

literally just a rock

[true urchin]

https://imgur.com/a/cXZD1cZ

[gentle compass]

Metal slug mod?!

That one has slipped by me, what's it called

[true urchin]

iron snail

[woven swallow]

No way bro 💀

[woven swallow]

.....

Hello

Kenny here

[rose pasture]

sup kenny

[stiff basalt]

new sigil update?

[vestal flower]

No

[stiff basalt]

I got an email from romero games saying sigil got an update

[mellow matrix]

then you would know what's in it

[vestal flower]

Idk, I haven't played in awhile

[vale gyro]

Haven’t seen it myself

Might just be looking at the wrong email, though

[vernal rune]

Wrapping up map 32 of Alien Vendetta tonight before I begin Back To Saturn X.

[hard prawn]

Is console doom 1 and 2 collection limited with mods compared to pc? I mean i imagine so but would also like to know some potentially most fun mods for console

i’m new to doom mods completely and classic doom in general

[red harbor]

basically just for the people who bought the version with the extra soundtrack

now you dont need to load the soundtrack you paid for separately

[kindred nest]

bruh

[vale gyro]

Ah, alright.

I got no need to update it then other than for archival.

[kindred nest]

i like deathmach xd

cuz its just pvp xdddd

[vale gyro]

I'd play it more but the only good options are ZDoom-based, and I personally dislike the movement in ZDoom-based ports.

[kindred nest]

and i hate this sorce ports also cuz they crash on windowed mode soo often

xd

[vale gyro]

I've never had issues with source ports crashing on windowed mode

[kindred nest]

but i had whith zadroum

xd

or even lagging

bruhh

[vale gyro]

I got forced into playing Zand with windowed only due to it not supporting my resolution

[kindred nest]

and it crashed ?

[vale gyro]

Nah

[kindred nest]

xd

[vale gyro]

In fact it was quite stable

[vale gyro]

In fact I don't think I've ever had any crashing issues in any port I've used, other than when loading some mods on some versions of GZDoom.

the only real issue I've ever had was massive framerate issues on one version of Woof for whatever reason

[junior python]

I'm looking to cosplay as the classic doomguy but all of the files for 3d printing that I'm finding are hilariously overpriced

[willow trail]

helloooooo guys

i buy the doom anthology

[vale gyro]

Neat

Now buy boxed copies of Sigil 1 and 2

[woven swallow]

Yesno

[rare drum]

should i get doom 64

[woven swallow]

yes

i recommend getting it

[red harbor]

yeah, def a fun time if you prefer a doom with a spookier atmosphere

[cold wadi]

i mean everyone should play it at least once

[rare drum]

got it btw

[vestal flower]

I got 100% achievements on it, honestly better than the other doom games imo, I remember some dude got mad at me for liking doom 3 and 64

[true urchin]

its alright i prefer the og tbh but the level design is decent and the unique aesthetic is quite fun

although i never understood why they made the muzzle flash on the chaingun blurple

it looks cool but its weird who's idea was that

[true urchin]

doom 3 is a decent game its just a bad doom game

if they marketed it as a spinoff it'd be an absolute banger and ppl would probably hate on it a lot less

but for some reason they called it "doom 3" despite the total disconnect from anything prior

[vestal flower]

I think it was good, I think people only put it down because of how different it was to the other games

[vale gyro]

I personally saw it as quite similar to the Classics

and especially so if you read stuff like the Doom Bible

[true urchin]

the gameplay flows completely differently

it does not play even remotely like any of the first 3 doom games and if you go in looking for that you will be extremely disappointed

[vestal flower]

It was a newer generation at the time, and plus id was still being experimental with new engines and stuff

[true urchin]

yeah im not saying its bad i think its a solid game on its own merits

[vestal flower]

Well that's your opinion and I'll respect that

[vale gyro]

To me it still had the flow when it came to hunting down resources, among other things

[true urchin]

what i am saying is it's not a good follow up to doom 1, 2, or 64, which is relevant when the game calls itself doom 3

it would have been better off as a spinoff game

[vestal flower]

It felt more realistic than the others which I liked, and it really felt like you were going up against a demonic invasion instead of just kill all the demons

[vale gyro]

I did like that Doom 3 did lean quite hard into the atmosphere Doom 1 wanted to do (excluding the fact it's the sole reason I can't really play the game without risking a panic attack)

[vestal flower]

Imo, the survival horror aspect of the game is not appreciated by most fans and I think it deserves more credit than it gets

[vernal rune]

Yes. If you want to play all the mods you will need to download a source port to run the .wad files through

[vale gyro]

I do genuinely think most of the hate started hitting Doom 3 post 2016 and especially Eternal

[urban night]

Unrelated, does anyone have tips for plutonia? I usually stop playing around map 3 this time i want to beat it entirely though.

[true urchin]

i mean yeah that's kinda what's going to happen when you cultivate an audience around one type of gameplay and then the sequel goes for something completely different

[vale gyro]

Ah, so you were like me.
Honestly? Play at a difficulty you'd actually enjoy playing on. Don't be like me and decided to attempt suffering through UV (I'm currently on map 15 or 16, I forgot).

[urban night]

I’m on map 7 so far on UV…i’m enjoying the pain to be honest!

[true urchin]

its like if call of duty randomly decided "fuck you we're a 3d platformer collectathon now"

[true urchin]

even if its good its probably not what ppl were looking for

[vale gyro]

I get quite annoyed by it at times, but I've lived through most of Scythe 2

[vestal flower]

Most of the fans wanted mostly action, which I don't blame them for wanting that from the first few games, and yes I do think it was a good decision to not make 2016 a cod like game

[vale gyro]

so it could be worse lol

[true urchin]

again that's what spinoffs are for, not the first ever sequel after 10 years

[urban night]

Scythe 2 is torture

[vestal flower]

Yes, but it wasn't drastically different, they were experimenting and that's what I like id for

[vale gyro]

I gave up on E6M2

and I was only on HMP

I actually enjoyed my time through Episodes 1-4

[umbral shale]

Doom 3 was what Carmack wanted to achieve back in the 90's but couldn't due to hardware

[true urchin]

not to keep beating the shit out of a dead horse but that is literally what a spinoff is for generally

[vestal flower]

A spin-off is mostly for side stories during the main campaign or in between mainline games

[vale gyro]

Spin-offs also do tend to have drastically changed gameplay compared to the mainline games

Though, you can believe what you think, but I do personally believe Doom 3 is fine as-is for an actual mainline game.

[vestal flower]

Sometimes yes

[umbral shale]

Every Doom game after 64 played super differently

Doom 3 and the modern trilogy

Minus classic expansions

[vale gyro]

Yeah. There hasn't been a game that even played remotely similar to the Classics until TDA, and that's still a pretty far stretch.

[umbral shale]

And I mean that's a win in my books

[vale gyro]

To me Doom 3 was probably the closest out of the whole bunch.

[vestal flower]

I personally like them for how they were more innovative with the series and how the gameplay changed

[umbral shale]

We have such different games

[vale gyro]

For me it really isn't as it basically means I hate the two "best" games in the series

[umbral shale]

What two

[vale gyro]

Yeah. I don't really care for 2016 or Eternal that much.

In fact I do outright dislike Eternal.

[umbral shale]

Oh, what abt dark ages when was the last time you played it

[vale gyro]

Near launch and I did quite like it, actually.

[vestal flower]

I don't blame you, the lighting, artstyle and gameplay felt weird

[vale gyro]

I actually did like Eternal's art style.

[umbral shale]

You should play again this quakecon if you haven't removed it

[vale gyro]

I will

[vestal flower]

Well idk, thats how I saw it personally

[vale gyro]

Fair enough

[umbral shale]

Eternal is the easiest on the eyes to me

Idk why

Dark ages has my fav combat

But classics are my fav overall as a package

[vale gyro]

The Classics have my favorite if we're talking about the whole series.

[vale gyro]

Though my opinions on them change if we consider either just gameplay or just the base game

Doom 2 would be my favorite in terms of gameplay (excluding base maps)

[umbral shale]

I do think Doom 2 map design was pretty bad

[vale gyro]

Doom 2 is actually one of my least favorites, even under TNT (noted I like TNT) in terms of base game

[umbral shale]

But the weapons and enemies were awesome

And Tnt is wildly inconsistent in terms of quality

[vale gyro]

Doom 2 is probably gonna be for sure the main game I won't even be willing to replay.

I might actually replay TNT, though

Bar Habitat, Mt. Pain, and whatever the fuck the IoS level is

[umbral shale]

Some levels are great but some are habitat

[vale gyro]

I generally had fun with TNT

[umbral shale]

My favs are the expansions tho as usual

Legacy of rust and NRFTL are just awesome

[vestal flower]

Those were good expansions ngl

[vale gyro]

Never finished either but actively didn't like LoR

[faint rapids]

How's Sigil 1 & 2 ? I'm planning to play them

[vale gyro]

They're pretty good.

[umbral shale]

What didn't you like abt LoR

[vale gyro]

I can’t really pinpoint what tbh

Like I didn’t really care for the level layouts and I did genuinely find the enemy sprites to either not fit in or just be lazy

[umbral shale]

Hm, opposite for me

[sharp wyvern]

aw :(

i agree with the vassago at least, that one was pretty out of place spritewise

their gimmick made up for it tho

IMO it's still the best classic doom wad tho (if we only count 'official' ones of course)

[radiant rain]

I heard about a level in doom or doom 2 where the soundtrack would be a song by dj skinhead

Was wondering if anyone knew about it

[sharp wyvern]

Doom for the PlayStation has an extra exclusive secret level called Club Doom

The soundtrack for that level (also called Club Doom) by Technoman samples Extreme Terror IIRC

[versed vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/bebe-gif-5526812072482676565

doom II is my 3rd favorite lol

[stiff basalt]

plutonia my beloved

[versed vortex]

i actually havent played plutonia

but ive heard its like the best of the ogs

[vale gyro]

I utterly hate the levels

Gameplay-wise it’s fine in custom map sets because of the additional monsters and weapon

But the base-game maps are probably some of the worst things I’ve played

[versed vortex]

the living end my beloved

although icon of sin is trash

[vale gyro]

TNT’s IoS fight is way worse

[versed vortex]

damn

[vale gyro]

For as much as I like TNT, the IoS fight can screw off

[versed vortex]

although i do have to say the 2nd third is rough

[sharp wyvern]

but u like tnt's....

Which is Fair but still

[sharp wyvern]

im fine with doom ii's IoS

[sharp wyvern]

what i dont get is why didnt TNT have a unique monster at the end

i dont mean new AI i mean why not have a different texture for the IoS fight

isn't a lot of TNT's whole thing having new textures /j

[versed vortex]

it can get real bad real fast

[sharp wyvern]

every official IoS fight fucking sucks

i dont actually mind mephisto's mausoleum that much it has grown on me but it still is bad objectively even if i like it

and i like doom ii's one but cause of nostalgia

[stiff basalt]

i like doom 2 icon of sin

[vale gyro]

The main reason I don’t like the Doom II one is that I just have a skill issue with it

[sharp wyvern]

haha fair

[vale gyro]

But TNT’s is genuinely bullshit

[versed vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-glory-kill-doom-glory-kill-doom-eternal-zombie-gif-18694440

i just noticed that level is super gore nest

[fervent coral]

How do you get tnt and Plutotina iv played it on mobile but I wanna play pc cus its way to hard on touch controls

[versed vortex]

they come included in doom + doom II

[fervent coral]

Aww I didn’t get it on steam sad

I’ll prob rebuy it on steam for them

[versed vortex]

although for the unity port i think they are available as mods

[fervent coral]

Yh I have both on mobile but it’s too hard cus touch controls and a skill issue

[stiff basalt]

Its from the quakecon 2018 footage

[vestal flax]

it's the hardest of the OGs, that's for sure

[dense plinth]

I'd say it is the best

Among all officially released wads I'd have it at least tied with No Rest for the Living

[sharp wyvern]

Plutonia < NRFTL < Legacy of Rust IMO

[dense plinth]

I did enjoy LoR but not as much as Plutonia or NRFTL personally

[sharp wyvern]

aw

i think LoR is my favourite of the classic dooms

[dense plinth]

I enjoyed it about as much as Sigil II

My top 3 are Plutonia, NRFTL and Sigil

The LoR and Sigil II

[sharp wyvern]

Oh yea Sigil is another good one

Sigil II I didn’t actually like that much :P

[median cloud]

Plutonia and NRFTL are great so I agree

Not a big Sigil fan however, think I prefer Doom 2/TNT

[twilit hornet]

The only classic Doom I have is what came with DOOM 3 BFG edition for the xbox 360, so I guess my top 3 chapters are...

1. Doom: Knee-Deep in The Dead
2. Doom 2: Hell on Earth
3. Doom 2: NRFTL

[sharp wyvern]

nrftl below all of hell on earth?

[red harbor]

i will not stand for the NRFTL slander

[gentle compass]

I definitely enjoyed NRFTL

[vast reef]

No raw food tonight, LOL!

[prisma igloo]

I'm trying to do Nightmare run in the original DOOM, but I'm stuck on E1M4. Any tips either to get through the maze or to do the speedrunning skip

[vast reef]

what demos have u watched

like for reference for your own run

[prisma igloo]

I tried using some YouTube videos, but I was left confused by the tech, so I tried brute force

https://youtu.be/U2DolyeHJ7U?si=wCFBT2wfXmDv9zhR

[fringe badge]

That’s pretty helpful. I’ve been trying to do that skip for a while but haven’t been successful. Thanks for sharing this.

[prisma igloo]

Maybe I just need to rewatch it. Might just be missing something

[radiant rain]

Been doing some research and found out that the soundtrack from doom (DOS) was made on Impulse Tracker

[vale gyro]

Both Doom 1 and Doom 2 released before Impulse Tracker did

The only games to have come out afterwards were maybe Ultimate Doom and Final Doom

[radiant rain]

I was about to say it might have been a ported version

[vale gyro]

Impulse Tracker in general wasn't even released until 1995

[vale gyro]

saying maybe for UDoom as it also came out in 1995

[radiant rain]

I searched for the Impulse Tracker version and it shows the GBA port

might have been that

[vale gyro]

Sorta doubt it as I can't find any sources even relating Impulse to Doom

bar custom WADs

[radiant rain]

there was fast tracker 2 in 1993 but I dont think any doom ports used it

[rare drum]

nearly got jumped by pinkies in an exit room

[twilit hornet]

I like NRFTL. It's in my top 3.

[red harbor]

Wait i just realized it was Doom 1 Episode 1 and not Doom 1 as a whole

[twilit hornet]

I just prefer Hell on Earth because I prefer the level design. And the Icon of Sin

Yeah

Doom 1 episode 1 is my favorite doom episode by far.

[vale gyro]

for me it's Episode 2

[twilit hornet]

Fair enough

I like it too. Still my top 5.

[unreal siren]

Guys any way to play online at doom?

[thorny nest]

Doom + Doom II has online multiplayer, but I think that’s dead. You’d probably have better luck with some of the multiplayer source ports like ZDaemon or Odamex or whatever

[halcyon willow]

Zandronum is by far the most popular multiplayer port

And the easiest to use

[thorny nest]

Oh yeah, for a second I was thinking ZDaemon was Zandronum

[modern peak]

im planning on revisiting my doom but 1 kill = 1 pushup challenge after several years

tomorrow i will be starting the beginning of plutonia but 1 kill = 1 push up (i might also be live streaming the experience)

i am going to regret this

[high depot]

That sounds like a fun challenge

[modern peak]

tbh it was for doom 2

not sure how much harder it will be with plutonia

[high depot]

So if you get some kills, but die and have to load a save, do you count ALL of the kills, or only the total kills you get per level completed?

[modern peak]

pretty much just every kill counts

[high depot]

How do you keep track of them in intense moments?

[modern peak]

i do them in segments pretty much like after every fight

[high depot]

Ahh okay. That keeps the number relatively low between sets I imagine.

[modern peak]

approximation mostly, doom 2 didnt have many of those if at all, usually its easy to remember how many ive killed if ive loaded a save. if i dont die then its much easier because i can just count the bodies in an area if i didnt check the enemy count prior

plutonia might be different though so ill try to keep track of the kill count

[high depot]

Makes sense. Plutonia may be a bit harder to keep up with at times (especially because they like hiding Chaingunners behind semi-solid walls above the floor), but it should still be doable in this way.

[modern peak]

its not like missing a couple is that bad anyway considering levels go into the several hundreds of enemies

[halcyon willow]

Time to do infinite pressups on map 15

[dense plinth]

Damn, I don't really like Hell on Earth at all

I usually rank it not much higher than TNT

[fervent coral]

Same lol

[unreal siren]

Is it dead? ☹️

[crisp spade]

Does anyone know if you can play Brutal Doom on switch without nodding the console itself

[stiff basalt]

holy shit its solid snake from metal gear solid

[high depot]

DOOM + DOOM II multiplayer isn't dead. There aren't generally that many lobbies open at a time, but it's certainly not dead. Plenty of deathmatching and co-op action going on daily.

[umbral shale]

Who says such blasphemy

How else can I play Lor with 6 people

[vast reef]

no lol

you need gzdoom

or lzdoom

[vast reef]

more dead than zand

at least from what i know

[thorny nest]

I could be wrong, I haven’t checked it in a while, but last time I did I had a hard time finding a match

[drifting fiber]

After slowly forcing my way through the entirety of Doom 1, 2, and TNT with keyboard only controls, I'm only just now figuring out that I could've changed the controls in the freaking Setup menu. I feel like such an idiot lmao

I've since rebinded the movement keys to WASD and now use the mouse as intended to look around and go shooty shooty all over the place.

[prisma igloo]

What's a Strafe run in DOOM 1?

[vale gyro]

Running diagonally

Also looking in a way so you can keep going straight despise running off to the side

Due to the movement vector not being normalized, it’ll allow you to move faster than if you were just running straight forward

[dawn bear]

Should i try doom classic

[woven swallow]

yes

100% would recommend

[dawn bear]

I will is it free?

[woven swallow]

its 10$

[dawn bear]

It's kinda expensive

[woven swallow]

further context: you would get 3 classic doom games and 4 expansion packs

[woven swallow]

i guess wait for a sale? it is like 4$ on sale

[dawn bear]

Yeah i think i will

[woven swallow]

also its 33 years worth of custom content is extremely worth it

[tropic helm]

Anyone got the plat on the entirety of the doom series?

[prisma igloo]

Ah, I see

[cold wadi]

well even if you don't like it there's 30+ years of mods available for it

[prisma igloo]

And you can play it anywhere on anything

[vast reef]

you cant play a lot of those mods on console 😹

majority even

[cold wadi]

meh just buy a steamdeck or rog ally, all the console you need

[azure nimbus]

Pressing forwards sets your forward move speed at 50. Your sideways movement is independent and maxes out at 40 (by holding the strafe key and simultaniously holding camera right and strafe right, it'll max out at 50).

Then it's literally just pythagorean theorem to determine the diagonal movement

[azure nimbus]

well not anymore with Dark Ages

[unreal siren]

Oh 😭 thanks

[karmic basin]

Is anybody able to access multiplayer mods in DOOM + DOOM II rn?

I'm trying to play with some friends but both of them can't do the Bethesda access even though they have already registered and all

[high depot]

I am not able either

Seems there may be an internal issue

[karmic basin]

Oh I see

That sucks

[high depot]

Yeah a little... hopefully it comes back soon

[karmic basin]

But for some reason I'm not having any problem

I'm on PS5, a friend of mine is also on PS5, but the other is on PC. They are both having the same issue

[high depot]

I have no issue trying to actually play online, but accessing mods I haven't already downloaded seems impossible. Can't even connect to Bethesda in-game.

I'm on Switch.

[karmic basin]

Weird. Thanks for the info

[high depot]

Np

[bronze rune]

Hey guys, I know you all know how to do it and I'm like 10 years behind in knowledge, but how do I play the Doom 2 beta 1.3?

No rush

[cold wadi]

why the hell do you want to play the beta?

[vast reef]

useless-ass response

[woven swallow]

can you give me more context so i can actually help you?

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/KjEmlNJ4oQQ?si=aDZFW641grYrX5xa try this instead

assuming you have pc and not a console then i can't really help

[twin mortar]

Reminds me of when people say
"Hey guys how do I play this PC port of a game"
"Emulate the console version"

[stiff basalt]

Its not like some pc ports from some games are absolutely trash

[vast reef]

yeah but they are asking about the port

so!

[twin mortar]

I asked for help with a pc port online once and got the omega helpful answer of "deal with it" lmao

[kindred nest]

tf

is you pfp xd

2016 ahh pfp 💀

[tropic helm]

wait what happened ?

[vale gyro]

it came out

[cold wadi]

what's even more useless is calling someone's question a useless-ass response... maybe answer the question instead of being a dick for everyone to see?

[twin mortar]

It's not really hard to figure out they probably want to play it for the novelty

It's definitely a unique experience to play a beta of a game you know well

[vast reef]

^