classic-doom

[vale gyro]

Like, I have no issue playing mods that actually utilize what GZDoom can do

but I don't wanna play a vanilla-style map in GZDoom

[floral thorn]

I don't know I didn't notice much other than some serious bugs being fixed

[tropic zenith]

Muh RNG seeds

[oblique plaza]

yeah, I alway thought Brutal Doom was too much, tried it again now and it is pretty good actually. is there a litefx fix that adds light for knight/baron/caco projectiles tho? also: it sometimes starts w/ out player being able to run and/or w/ vanilla guns. happens when the level restarts too. must often/always launch it multiple times till it loads properly

[vale gyro]

This actually can change the difficulty of some maps in rare cases.

[tropic zenith]

If those aren't present in Brutal Doom already you will likely have to add the GL lighting yourself

[vale gyro]

One of my maps is actually somewhat harder in GZDoom due to GZ's different RNG systems for whatever reason

[tropic zenith]

Maybe that's why I hate revenants

[vale gyro]

like, not drastically harder

[floral thorn]

D64 CE is peak

[vale gyro]

but it's pretty obvious you get hit way more often and for more in GZDoom

[vale gyro]

This is actually how I play D64 so I can use my own midis instead

I am not calling the base ones bad. I just have anxiety issues relating to the base OST.

[tropic zenith]

That's pretty wild to hear since I feel like I get struck far more often by projectiles in other ports, but I suppose I just got very used to gzd

Mancubi are pushovers in zdoom

[floral thorn]

That archvile in Dark Citadel is evil lmao(If he didn't change it that is)

[vale gyro]

They're pushovers in vanilla as well

probably just a physics thing, actually

we're both used to vanilla and zdoom physics respectively

[tropic zenith]

It fr must be how I'm used to moving

[vale gyro]

so we fail to dodge more often in the other port

[floral thorn]

Also FUCK Dark Citadel,I struggled on Dark Entries less

That trap section is so ass

[vale gyro]

but yeah, I know the physics thing isn't just me

I know Bridgeburner has said in the past he can't really play in vanilla ports because he's used to ZDoom physics

[tropic zenith]

I feel like I have to be more deliberate in my movements, like Doomguy has more mass or something in vanilla

[vale gyro]

Oh yeah. GZ is more slippery

[floral thorn]

I barely play vanilla at this point,I play with EOA(eternal) or with my own weapon pack most of the time

[tropic zenith]

Having flashbacks to skipping parts of Massmouth 2 and getting the walking speed of a slug because of scripts being activated in the wrong order 💀

[vale gyro]

I basically only play vanilla, bar whatever stuff the WAD I'm playing changes (which is max MBF21)

[tropic zenith]

I feel like these differences aren't too horrendous if I can complete kditd on nightmare in both an "accurate" port and with gzd

The worst modern port is truly the playable Doom 1 and II in Eternal

It runs so slow, the controls suck, and the aspect ratio is warped

[tropic zenith]

Stan Blazkowicz vs John Doom, who wins

[open stratus]

Sign of evil fucking slaps

[karmic cliff]

It's my favorite song from Doom 1.
Lemme fetch Andrew Hulshult's remix for you. It's fucking superb

@open stratus
https://youtu.be/aYpgpRCAmIk?si=8I5IiVs7SyQRj0V-

[tropic zenith]

I'm really partial to the Sonic Clang version

[karmic cliff]

I don't think I've heard that one yet

[tropic zenith]

It was made for the Knee Deep in The Dead mod for Doom 3, so it's quite old

[karmic cliff]

I'll check it out

Doom 3 is one of my three favs

[karmic cliff]

This version has quite the instrument range.
I fucking love the piano and groovy chuggy guitar riffs accompanying this version.

[arctic adder]

Which version of classic doom is the best?

[vale gyro]

Y'mean which source port? Entirely subjective.

[arctic adder]

No i mean like, snes or PS1, which port is the the best

[tropic zenith]

prboom+ because it can run nuts.wad without slowdown, I hear

[vale gyro]

Oh. Probably modern console releases tbh.

if you're counting PC. either the MS-DOS versions or Unity

[tropic zenith]

Do they still make new versions of Boom?

Or am I old

[finite crag]

dsda doom

[vale gyro]

basically just DSDA-Doom and also Nyan Doom (a fork of DSDA)

[warm prism]

wait wait wait

there is PLUTONIA 2???

[tropic zenith]

Consider me educated now

[sharp wyvern]

yeah this is the best cover in IDKFA

shit had me ascending on my replay

[umbral shale]

My fav's was message for the archvile for it's solemness and the dave d taylor blues for its action movie drop near the end

[open stratus]

that shit makes me ascend

got me seeing urdak

if the next doom adaptation uses sign of evil it better be the IDKFA version

[karmic cliff]

Gonna listen to it now

[karmic cliff]

This is such a good fucking song.
Listening to it stoned is pure bliss. I love music.

[celest fractal]

Oh boy, I love being forced to run across 20% damage floors on the critical path of levels without a radiation suit!

[karmic cliff]

Any song we associate with Doom Marine?
Mine's probably https://youtu.be/pwu4v7VV5Hc?si=QNBeIyLSG6J-JZVG

[tropic zenith]

Doom II or Knee Deep in the Dead?

[celest fractal]

Master Levels, actually.

[acoustic sky]

Ok, simple question (also hi, I've never said anything in this server), would it be considered piracy to pack my mod with Legacy of Rust? I'd love to include it, but, since it's a part of and therefor sold with the KEX port, I'm not sure if doing so would be considered piracy

[pine crest]

[sharp wyvern]

how close are you to finishing them

[celest fractal]

Uh, about five more levels I think

[sharp wyvern]

are you doing this on the kex port

last few levels on the kex port are pretty good minus the final one

[celest fractal]

Yeah I am

I think the most frustrating level thus far, the Black Tower, is also my favorite despite that because it's just a very creative and interesting design

So I discovered something interesting today after getting annoyed at people on the steam discussion board when I was trying to find a list of levels with broken secrets and Google sent me that way. If you're careful about it, you actually can remove secrets from a level without breaking demo compatibility

Using UDB or the like will rebuild nodes which changes the game enough to break it, but if you specifically edit only the SECTORS lump (SLADE can do it, for instance) to change just the sector type it works fine.

[halcyon willow]

Do not distribute iwads, do not distribute other's work without permission

[acoustic sky]

I'll take that as a yes, then

[warm prism]

is there a legal way to do the Untouchable achievement in Doom + Doom 2

basically end 8 levels sequentislly on UV or higher under the par time

like i can IDClip my way through Knee Deep in the Dead but i want to see if its possible

[finite crag]

its possible

you just have to know how to speedrun levels

episode 1 is the easiest and thats how I did the achievement

[warm prism]

bc i IDDQD my way into Shoot it until it dies (killing a Cyberdemon with a Pistol)

[warm prism]

oh okok i will try tomorrow

also if anyone wants a quick way for Overprepared (ending a level with 200% Armor and Health) just play Grosse and save the Megasphere for last

if youre good you might also get "The only thing they fear is you" (ending a level with 100% kills no damage in UV or Nightmare)

[sharp wyvern]

yyeah it's just difficult as FUCK

[woven swallow]

Yes…it is piracy

[acoustic sky]

👍

Won't be adding it, then

[woven swallow]

I’m curious on what mod you are making

[acoustic sky]

Calling it "Doom: Definitive Edition". Very simple (in concept) Vanilla+ mod that makes minor improvements to enemies, weapons, and some maps. I'd provide a link, but I just took down the latest 2 updates upon realizing NRFTL is still considered commercial, which I had made part of the mod (don't ask how I didn't know, I'm just dumb, sometimes).

I used the mod "Brutalized Classic" as a base, but I've added and changed a lot more things since I started working on it.

My mod comes with the console exclusive secret maps, though the Xbox ones are revamps. I've also added the Rifle and Unmaker. I restored the Mastermind's cut magic attack in the form of a VERY fast blue BFG ball (doesn't fire the tracers, though, just explodes), as well as many other simple improvements.

Got some HD "CD quality" music via the Doom Marathons by DAR, with their permission, as well as covers of the Sigil I & II midis, and some Midi Pack covers for NRFTL, TNT, and a small handful of Ultimate Midi covers.

Also custom proper intermission screens for Ep4, the Sigils, Doom II, and NRFTL

[sharp wyvern]

ooh wait can i see the intermission screens?

[acoustic sky]

Also the name is a triple reference.

It's a reference to what I personally define as the "Definitive Doom experience"

A reference to Brutal Doom being the self proclaimed "definitive gameplay enhancement mod for the GZDoom and Zandronum engines"

And, most importantly for the later down the line updates I hope to add, it's a reference to the false promises of 3DO Doom. I hope to add some FMVs that are kinda a mix of Duke 3D's and Blood's.
The simpler, lower framerate look of Duke, but the more eventful scenes of Blood.

[acoustic sky]

Here's the one's for TFC, Sigil I & II, and Doom II
https://github.com/DevilMyEyes-666/Doom-Intermission-Map-Screen-Project/releases/tag/v1.1

And here's the one for NRFTL...I'm not a huge fan of it, but it works
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/129415-no-rest-for-the-living-intermission-maps-complete-hd-available/

[finite crag]

The Coiled City is aids

[marsh whale]

The Coiled City is worse than aids

[sharp wyvern]

@finite crag is it ever stated what happened to king ormero and is it ever stated the sentinels never met demons before doomguy got there

[azure nimbus]

what improvements?

[sonic slate]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-gif-11692212659956679229

G’mornin everyone

[karmic cliff]

Curious how powerful Doom Marine was when he was still mortal.

Kinda thinking about the DeathBattle with Cheif and Doom Marine. Entire thing comes off one sided cuz of Cheif being more popular for the time.

[finite crag]

1. No.
2. Yes. The Khan doesn't seem to know what Doomguy is talking about and IIRC History of the Sentinels corroborates that they never met them until the invasion of Telorum.

[sharp wyvern]

danggg

i wanted to say that ormero could be the icon of sin's romero head in classic doom

like a marok situation

[sharp wyvern]

no chief definitely wipes classic marine

and slayer definitely wipes chief cause slayer is buffed to hell and back

[karmic cliff]

Do we kill the same demons from Doom 1 to Doom 4 or are they different breeds?
Cuz I faintly remember the imp's fireballs being as hot as the sun based off Doom 4 lore.

[sharp wyvern]

uhh imps in doom 2016/eternal are a different breed to 1/2/final doom's imps

and doom 64 imps are mutated versions of doom 1/2/F's imps

case by case for every demon obvs

like mancubi who have 2/F/Eternal as the same, 64 as a mutated version of that, and then 3 and 2016 are different breeds

[warm prism]

anyone watched Civvie 11's Plutonia video?
idk why but that pistol start joke stuck out to me

[warm prism]

i think the classic Imps went exctinct in Dark Ages

unless they are a different type like the Nightmare Imps in 64

[wanton cave]

@finite crag Did doom guy die at the end of episode 1 in the first game?

[finite crag]

No. This is just headcanon.

He took a Gateway from Phobos to Deimos.

He took a trip to Belize

[gaunt harness]

Plutonia is mean

[ember ridge]

do a pacifist run for intern guy

[finite crag]

understatement of the century

[gaunt harness]

It's just a lil tough, just a tiny bit

Been actual years since I played anything Classic Doom related, first level kicked my shit in

[acoustic sky]

Here's my mod
https://www.moddb.com/mods/doom-definitive-edition/downloads/doom-definitive-edition-beta-4-revision-2#downloadsform

[marsh whale]

#classic-doom-maps-mods

[acoustic sky]

I just had to scroll down a tiny bit more lmao

[tropic zenith]

It depends on whether he literally can carry his full loadout or if that's a gamification thing

[tropic zenith]

The nightmare imps would imply that the Imp Stalkers are the actual classic imps after they were resurrected into their stronger forms present in Doom 64

So the new skinny hairy imps whom we also see in later chronological entries in the series must be a separate type/speciation of imp

[warm prism]

i just realized something similar happend to the Pinkys

in modern they have a shell while in classic theyre naked i think

[tropic zenith]

The TDA pinkies are very interesting to me

They have a similar stature as the Doom 3 pinky

[warm prism]

they have Pinkies?

[finite crag]

those are serious sam werebulls

not pinkies

[twin mortar]

Yes, D3's Pinky design was even used as the base for its movie design, and it looks pretty rad

[marsh whale]

Doom 3 Pinkies are horrifying

[agile shell]

they should make a channel for the doom movies

[autumn rivet]

hello

[obsidian galleon]

Does anyone own doom classic complete on ps3?

[karmic cliff]

Are those canon in anyway?
I fucking hope Annihilation isn't. That movie was so dogshit.

[obsidian galleon]

I can slip someone some 💰 if they let me download it on my ps3

[tropic zenith]

They're not

[karmic cliff]

Good. I'd assume Id would never consider either of them canon. Especially Annihilation

[tawdry briar]

Yo anyone online?

[vale gyro]

I'm barely so

[tawdry briar]

Fav doom game?

[celest fractal]

i legitimately have no idea how anyone managed to beat Express Elevator to Hell from a pistol start, that first fight is a nightmare even coming in with full health, armor, and weapons (and nearly full ammo, I endd up a few rockets shy of 100 on the last map lol)

[vale gyro]

Doom 2 if you count custom maps. Doom 1 and Ultimate Doom if you just care for base-game.

[warm prism]

i sh-t you not im becoming a different person after Plutonia, its adding inches to my height, i just did the crusher thing

i think there are more Revenants than imps in plutonia

nvm just checked

there are like 20 more Imps

im TIRED of the chaingunners

and maybe Revenants but theyre cool in Eternal

[tropic zenith]

You are turning into a revenant

[warm prism]

[celest fractal]

it's funny when you get a cyberdemon in a crusher because the bug where blood splatters just fall straight down make it look like he's bleeding from his ass

and sometimes your inner twelve year old just sees something and is delighted

[tropic zenith]

The cyberdemon is a straight up meme tho

He has an incredibly round ass and his rockets come from his crotch

[warm prism]

i FEEL my bones stretching, tomorrow i wont have a face

[warm prism]

like on the Decino monster video, the thumbnail has percentages for Cyber's stats, and it says "100% glutes"

[twin mortar]

I have the physical PC release

[karmic cliff]

That ass is distracting. Jk

[sharp wyvern]

if you believe in multiverse theory already like with doom 3 then does it even matter lol

actually doom 2005 doesnt even involve hell so that one just legitimately wouldn't be connected even under multiverse theory lol

[karmic cliff]

I mean I just fucking HATE Annihilation

[sharp wyvern]

i think annihilation is bad but for different reasons than most people say it is

[tropic zenith]

Both Doom movies are basically something else with the name Doom put on them

[sharp wyvern]

no Doom Annihilation is definitely Doom it's just bad

i wouldn't say it's "not a doom movie" it's just not a good movie

[karmic cliff]

Were the imp designs even good?

[tropic zenith]

It tries harder to use terms from Doom

[karmic cliff]

Even wolfenstein

[sharp wyvern]

The Doom 3-looking ones are great, the Classic Doom looking ones are bad

[tropic zenith]

The Shimmer(?) is arguably not hell either idk

I keep getting confused and thinking the book series Annihilation has anything to do with Doom because of that movie and its premise

[sharp wyvern]

tbf it probably did that cause of id already throwing in wolfenstein shit into doom

(doom ii, doom ii rpg etc)

[tropic zenith]

The movies conceptually piss me off because corporations will throw millions of dollars down the toilet knowing what they're making has nothing to do with the source material

[sharp wyvern]

again doom annihilation has to do with the source material.......

it's just not good
but it's definitely going off of doom

[tropic zenith]

I've seen it and it maybe has 10% more to do with Doom than the 2005 movie

[sharp wyvern]

what about it doesn't have to do with doom

[tropic zenith]

The same as the 2005 movie

[karmic cliff]

There's also John Romero saying Doom Marine is a blazkowicz.
And the wolfenstein expansion that involved the cyberdemon before his cybernetics.

[sharp wyvern]

now what does that mean

[tropic zenith]

Romero has never said Doomguy is a blazkowicz, he has always said Doomguy is the player

[karmic cliff]

I'll have to look into that again.
Actually did iffy in my mind.

[tropic zenith]

Is Annihilation your favorite movie or something?

[sharp wyvern]

no, i just think your criticisms make no sense

and the fact you pivoted to saying that instead of following up tells me you don't actually know what it doesn't have to do with doom

[tropic zenith]

Both movies are filmed in a very small series of cheap generic sci fi sets with bluish lighting and no other color, all the main characters are generic dark-armored security troops, there are few if any recognizable staple weapons of the Doom franchise, very minimal creature effects, no portrayal of hell

Annihilation happens to have a few more word references to things, but it doesn't even have a first person scene like the 2005 movie did

[sharp wyvern]

Doom Annihilation has the BFG-9000, Super Shotgun, the chainsaw... which is basically all of the "iconic" weapons from Doom 1-3

the film has "pistols" and "shotguns" and etc but they're not exactly iconic because... they're pistols

[tropic zenith]

I don't know what you're trying to prove me wrong about

[sharp wyvern]

im saying "doom annihilation has nothing to do with the source material" is an objectively incorrect criticism

[sharp wyvern]

generic sci fi sets with blueish lighting is like a lot of doom 1/3/2016

[tropic zenith]

God damn bro you know what I mean

[sharp wyvern]

i do agree their armour should be greener though

[tropic zenith]

This is why I asked if Annihilation is your favorite movie because you're defending it awfully hard

[sharp wyvern]

i mean no i dont because annihilation literally does have lots from the source material 😭

im defending it on this aspect specifically

criticise the shitty plot or the corny dialogue don't say smth nonsensical like "it has nothing to do with the source material"

[tropic zenith]

So annihilation has more to do with Doom than other Doom games

[sharp wyvern]

??????? what the fuck are you trying to say

"annihilation is like the source material" =/= "it's more doom than doom 2-TDA" how the hell did you get that out of it

[tropic zenith]

It's just fucking frustrating when Doom fans keep moving the goalposts on what is Doom enough and isn't, like arguing that Doom 3 isn't Doom but Annihilation is, it's maddening

[sharp wyvern]

when have i said doom 3 isn't doom

if you look at my messages on this server i'm actually probably one of doom 3's biggest defenders

[tropic zenith]

God damn man, again it's nine million different people talking at me

[sharp wyvern]

where's the goalpost moving 😭

[tropic zenith]

I can't with this fandom

[sharp wyvern]

😭 ⁉️

what was any of that about

[tropic zenith]

20 fucking years of hearing "Doom 3 sucks Doom 3 isn't doom" only to hear kids gaslighting me nowadays

[sharp wyvern]

ok how's that relevant to this conversation...

[tropic zenith]

You have got to be dense
It's about the constantly moving goalposts on what constitutes similarity to Doom

As far as I can tell, what constitutes Doom is whatever is antecedent to what I say

When I say Doom 3 is Doom, someone disagrees
When I say Doom Annihilation isn't Doom, someone disagrees

The internet is built upon disagreements and "debate" and I'm fucking tired of it

[sharp wyvern]

okay so basically you're mad because of someone else's opinion that isn't mine contradicting with my opinion

[tropic zenith]

I'm mad that everything I say magnetizes the opposite opinion in this fandom

[sharp wyvern]

it's not "moving goalposts" that's just two different people having two different opinions

[sharp wyvern]

yeah usually most opinions have people with the opposite opinion

[tropic zenith]

I feel like I waste a lot of time trying to learn what people like and don't like about a piece of Doom media just to be told "Well actually" later

It reminds me that I have no idea what others want and cannot make anything enjoyable

It makes me realize I have no place in this community

[karmic cliff]

I loved Doom 3 when I was a kid playing BFG on 360.

In my middle school and early high school years, I didn't like it. But upon recently playing it it's one of my top 3.

[sharp wyvern]

it's not that you have no place it's just that sometimes people disagree with you 🤷‍♀️ :/
you can still just... have your own opinion

there's lots of people in the community who think doom 3 is "real doom" and there's a lot of people who don't think annihilation is proper doom

[tropic zenith]

I am realizing I should be glad more people are liking 3

[halcyon willow]

If it:

• Has demons in it
• Is called Doom
  Then it's Doom

[tropic zenith]

I really wish I knew where yall were during experiences that I had which have been formative to my current personality

[halcyon willow]

Probably playing Doom

Just because you were yelled at by idiots on the internet doesn't mean anything

It's up to you whether or not you take dumb ideas to heart

[sharp wyvern]

rip 2005 movie

[agile shell]

i think doom annihilation is like the best movie ever

[median cloud]

holy shit tnt map 07 is rough on uv-fast pistol start

[tropic zenith]

I really want to bring up that part in the codex in Eternal where it says that demons are the transformed husks of Sentinels, which is more like the 2005 movie

But the canon in the new games clearly changes whenever Hugo Martin looks at the Doom wiki and has new ideas

[celest fractal]

Master Levels: Mastered. ... or at least beaten with a lot of quicksaves :P

[finite crag]

DOOM 2 master levels are not very great

I beat most without quicksaves (exceptions are levels like express elevator to hell)

[sterile pumice]

brutal doom is peak

with corruption cards mod

ive only tried gzdoom but are there any better source ports I should take a look at

[vale gyro]

For vanilla-esque stuff (so vanilla, limit removing, Boom, MBF, MBF21), look at Woof and DSDA-Doom

If you like the former, check out Nugget Doom as well

If you like the latter, check out Nyan Doom as well

[sharp wyvern]

ayy hooray!

[vale gyro]

You won’t get the crazy mods from GZDoom, but you will be able to play some of the stuff GZDoom literally can’t play

And play some stuff more accurately

[celest fractal]

personally I keep multiple versions around. It's not like doom engines are a huge download anymore. Even gzdoom is like 11 megabytes

[vale gyro]

I do, too

But I touch GZ like once a year

And the rest of the ports I have are ports I used to main before I switched to Nyan

[celest fractal]

i use gz fairly frequently, but not really to play Doom. More for stuff like Reelism :P

[sterile pumice]

thank you for the good recommendations

[celest fractal]

or to revisit bathdoom

which... honestly, I should try to port to something less overpowered, it's just a couple basic decorative things it uses decorate for, how hard could it be? (famous last words)

[mortal silo]

Doom bestiary are all over the place. Undead zombies to cybernetic cows.
While imps, knights, and pinkies might be mutated zombies, others, such as the Archvile are truly alien.
Imo, the classic revenant is a reanimated Archvile skeleton.
Most classic baddies came in pairs- baron and knight, Caco and Pain elemental, specter and pinky, ...
But as a child I always assumed the different demons represented different sins. Mancubus being gluttony, obviously.

[celest fractal]

man i occasionally wish I could go back in time and yell at carmack before he set up the way textures work in doom

not supporting additive patch and texture definitions in 1993 is a headache to this day

[warm prism]

do people like the Doom + Doom 2 remixes?

[vale gyro]

I'm fine with them personally

I don't prefer them, but I do like them

[warm prism]

like the IDKFA Andrew Hulshult stuff

[warm prism]

which soundtrack do you use?

[sharp wyvern]

where are the cows from again

[sharp wyvern]

i like them but i usually play with the midis

[vale gyro]

The normal soundtrack. I use source ports anyways so I don't have the option for the remixed OST anyways

[still hawk]

Has anyone played the Steam version of Doom 1 and 2, coop?

[vale gyro]

I have but the netcode is shotty

[still hawk]

Darn

[mortal silo]

Minotaur? Baton? Definitely from heck
It's sorta the gag
Science is doing experiments. Just hubris for actually doing evil.

[halcyon willow]

This is why source ports exist

[celest fractal]

I mean yes but if you're targeting The One On All The Consoles you're pretty constrained

[tropic zenith]

The new official port doesnt support added textures??

That would help to explain why they pick the mods they do

[halcyon willow]

Yes it does

Everything since the original .exe supports added textures

It's just the closer you get to vanilla the more you have to fuck around with the pnames lump

[merry totem]

can i still play doom multiplayer using gzdoom source port

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/KjEmlNJ4oQQ

[pale venture]

Does anyone know any fixes for Doom 1 + Doom 2 on steam?? no matter what i try it just wont launch...

[round bridge]

playing doom 2 for the first time

just beat mission 24

this is pain

[weary dust]

Have played DOom 2 so much back in the days ❤️

[celest fractal]

only kinda. you do have to copy and paste the entire pnames lump from the iwad.

(and one of the two textures lumps if you're building off doom 1)

[shy citrus]

neymar best

[gusty falcon]

Hi guys been awhile https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473931297987887106/1377343777450229780/Screenshot_2025-05-28-10-51-09-373.jpg?ex=68389eda&is=68374d5a&hm=785ce8b82622421de62f38ff2665187dbcb06b439974e7582d42c81094bfbf3d&

[oblique plaza]

what mod is that?

[halcyon willow]

SLADE has a function to add to an existing pnames list

[velvet sundial]

Or buy DOOM + DOOM II on PC and Consoles

[celest fractal]

I am not telling people to modify their iwads.

[halcyon willow]

You don't

This is a solved problem, vanilla/limit removing wads have had to deal with this for 2+ decades

[viral haven]

Hi! Can I share links of my Doom 2 Mod gameplay here?

[vale gyro]

Probably better to share it in #videos tbh

but you can send a message link to it here as well

[viral haven]

Awesome! Thanks for letting me know.

[tropic zenith]

I keep getting GothicDM and Gothic99 confused

[celest fractal]

Right, and the solution is to copy and paste the pnames lump and add to it. Which is what I was complaining about and you were saying somehow you don't have to do.

[sturdy plaza]

Doom 1993 holds up surprisingly well

I remember thinking the secrets were bullshit, but they're actually pretty easy to get once you take note of the environment

Losing weapons sucks ass tho

[drifting fiber]

Can demos be recorded on Steam's release of Doom + Doom II?

[vale gyro]

No.

Like, they can, but they can't be played back in any capacity

[drifting fiber]

oh.. well that's kinda dumb

oh well though

[warm prism]

ok im ashamed to admit it, i ended up using IDclip for the Untouchable achievement

bc no way in hell im doing that

[sharp wyvern]

sad

[warm prism]

ik ill have to live with that

[sharp wyvern]

🤷‍♀️ nothing is stopping you from doing it legit later down the line if you want to

[warm prism]

ik, but i wont get the achievement sadly

for now the remaining achievements are legit

[sharp wyvern]

yeah but then you'd still have it anyway and know that you did it legit

and if you never feel like doing it legit then... cool you have the achievement icon...
win win i guess

[warm prism]

im missing

Plutonia
Legacy of Rust
Indiscriminate Hunter (killing one of each)
Screen wipe (50 kills with one shot of the Calamity Blade)
Kill it with Fire (30 Spiders killed with the Incinerator)

[sharp wyvern]

so basically

• Beat Plutonia
• Beat Legacy of Rust
  lol

[ripe tree]

Anyone else got a problem with DOOM 1+2 where Pain Elementals dont shoot out Lost Souls? Not a single one.

Guess theyre just Elementals.

[sharp wyvern]

are there already spawned lost souls when that happens?

[vale gyro]

I doubt KEX has a lost soul limit

[sharp wyvern]

i think they mightve left that in

[vale gyro]

Seeing it does support at least partial Boom and MBF

[sharp wyvern]

idk maybe i'll go check

what level has the closest pain elemental

ig congo

[vale gyro]

You could just manufacture a test level yourself

It’s what I’d do

[sharp wyvern]

too lazy

[vale gyro]

It takes like 2 minutes to do so

I’d do it myself if I wasn’t already in bed

[sharp wyvern]

still too lazy

ok the cap is still there

[gusty falcon]

Embers of Armageddon with the monster pack designed for it and ancient aliens as the map set

[karmic cliff]

Replayed Thy Flesh Consumed on Ultra Violent.
Liking this episode much more than the other times I've played. Always took it as hype dlc episode for Doom 1 to psych fans for Doom 2.
But going through the episode again, loved the challenge and moments to use more of my classic Doom knowledge. From taking advantage of infighting and BFG mechanics for walls and ramming.
Projectile dodging is lovely in this episode.

Only level I likely don't care for is the lava map with the teleport tower. It's just an ok gimmick hazard level.

[austere mantle]

Hi im soon attempting a speedrun achiewment on doom 1993 and im going to use select levels and write the time of the complete level on paper. And I know that achiewment will pop up under 2 hour of the 3 episodes playthrough. And is this will be enough to get the achiewment?

[azure nimbus]

It's because you are on map09 uv?

There are already >21 lost souls preplaced on map09. So PEs can't spawn more

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1373245494813393037/1377582767642120242/doom37.png?ex=68397d6e&is=68382bee&hm=41ac3581d0e8bbaa056bf3b901b2b956d4d698b9bb9c12956f5c2be828b68138&

[balmy perch]

Anyone have tips for getting to e3m9?

[mortal silo]

Nice.

[finite crag]

https://tenor.com/view/tuco-damn-man-look-at-that-look-tuco-salamanca-damn-man-look-at-that-look-gif-14797847040942956727

GGs. Looks like it wasn't easy 😅

[woven swallow]

Single segment btw, no saves

[median cloud]

What port did you use for it?

[woven swallow]

Dsda doom 0.29.0

[smoky bear]

Should I play Scythe 1? I’ve heard that some of the later levels get super challenging but the early levels drag so much for me

[tropic zenith]

Scythe 1 gets harder and also much better overall as it progresses

Last map is one of the slaughtermap kinds of things that I like because it does several interesting things with the formula

[finite crag]

First two worlds in scythe 1: Very doable
Episode 3: 💀

[tropic zenith]

Scythe 1 also introduced me to the band Symphony X

[smoky bear]

Gotta try it out one of these days, I’m a fan of challenging levels but my skill lowkey ain’t there yet

Beat eviternity’s map32 single segment UV MAX which I’m super proud of, didn’t get a demo for it tho 😢

Gotta ease myself into the slaughter, my goal is to beat Sunlust some day

Single segment UV max

[tropic zenith]

I haven't played it in many years but I feel like it wasn't quite as difficult as stuff like Hell Revealed 2 or Speed of Doom

It's probably easier than Sunlust

[smoky bear]

Oh definitely

[smoky bear]

Fucking hell revealed lol

If you love shotgunning barons then those are the wads for you

[tropic zenith]

HR1 is so good even if I suck at it

[smoky bear]

Sunlust’s final levels are fucking nuts I only got around halfway thru it playing no saves

It’s actually absurd

[tropic zenith]

Scythe 2 compared to 1 is almost like getting to chill out and relax 💀

[smoky bear]

Gotta play both of em, where does scythe 1 actually pick up in difficulty?

Because I can only pistol zombies for so many levels before I fall asleep

[tropic zenith]

Around the third segment of maps is where I have strong memories of it getting lit

Tbh I got used to skipping boring maps at that time 💀

"Why is this late game map so hard???" -me

[smoky bear]

Lol that’s fair enough, if I’m gonna play it I gotta play the whole thing though. Even the shitty levels

That’s just me

[tropic zenith]

I would definitely put the effort in to respecting the map authors nowadays

[smoky bear]

Have you played eviternity?

[tropic zenith]

I haven't yet, there's lots of stuff made after 2015 I haven't tried

[smoky bear]

Eviternity 1 and 2 are both S tier wads

Valiant and ancient aliens are also great if you haven’t tried them

[tropic zenith]

I have this weird skill where I can put up with intentional jank in jokemods like Mock 2 or It Only Gets Worse, but i struggle with serious high tier gameplay 💀

I seem to do better with more explorative type maps than arena based combat ones

Vanguard by Skillsaw is about the peak of what I can play without cheesing

But that one map that starts you in the center of an invasion type scenario is brutal

Probably the first thing that taught me routing years before ever playing Doom Eternal

[smoky bear]

Haven’t actually played Vanguard either, there’s another one on my list lol

[tropic zenith]

My best compliment is that it uses archviles well

[limber storm]

Is it weird that Personally i want to get a pc so i can play the Devil may crowbar mod doom

[tropic zenith]

It's not weird, it's based

I'd probably have gotten really bored of Doom a long time ago if I couldn't play mods

[limber storm]

Id love for both capcom and bethesda\Id do a actual crossover between the two worlds like the demons from DMC comes to invade i fell like the slayer might have some difficulties with some of them

[tropic zenith]

With the shield saw and all the melee weapons Doomguy has now I'd love for him to be in a fighting game

Since you mentioned Capcom

[limber storm]

Fuck yeah i agree but i dont see it being mortal kombat like everyone wants personally i see it being either tekken or soul caliber that would get him

[tropic zenith]

Wild take but I wanna see an artistically driven game featuring him, not a realistic one

Like the crossover fighters

It would actually help make him not super stand out among the roster too

Capcom vs id Software

[limber storm]

hed fit in all 3 of those universes especially MK with how the guest characters in the new one are being pulled from thier universes and it would fit the doomverse lore

[tropic zenith]

He's so chonky he'd look awesome in a cartoony style too

[woven swallow]

Yes

[tropic zenith]

A cartoonish style would also help classic palette swaps fit better

[limber storm]

have you played mighty doom?

[woven swallow]

Stupidly easy at the start. kinda gets challenging at the end

[woven swallow]

Never played it

[tropic zenith]

Imagine shield saw combos in the air with the slayer

[woven swallow]

Isn’t that the game where you play as doom guy toy?

[limber storm]

Essentially yeah

[woven swallow]

Yea, I never played it

[limber storm]

It's basically that same cartoony style

It's fun but it gets awfully repetitive

[oblique plaza]

Brutal Doom: "it sometimes starts w/ out player being able to run and/or w/ vanilla guns. happens when the level restarts too. must often/always launch it multiple times till it loads properly." oh, so it's a feature, not a bug, some kind of purist mode, sorry, cool

[tropic zenith]

Brutal Doom is fighting with TF2 for most spaghetti code to ever exist

[tropic zenith]

Random weird tandem questions but
A: is Thy Flesh Consumed canon?
B: is Daisy real?

[finite crag]

Yes yes

[ripe tree]

Nope. I realise it has a max number of spawns.

But these ones havent spawned a single one throughout the whole game so far.

They're just harmless floating meatballs.

[sharp wyvern]

That means there’s already 21 elsewhere in the level

[warm prism]

hey, since the UAC loves their teleporters, dont you think they had an insane amount of bread teleported?

[warm prism]

yes, as its part of Ultimate Doom (a comercial release), and in a way, Final Doom, No Rest for the Living and maybe Legacy of Rust also are

she appears on a photo on Doom Guy's arms in Eternal

[ripe tree]

I'm playing in UV so that probably checks out.

[sharp wyvern]

out of the other 3 you listed NRFTL is the most likely to be canon

it was made by the same people as Resurrection of Evil for Doom 3 (which is canon to Doom 3) and it was included with Doom and Doom II in the classic games section of the Doom 3 rerelease

[finite crag]

https://youtu.be/cp6CmdxeqKQ?si=zSvRm6D0KkDS-43y
Would you play this version of DOOM lmao

[cloud talon]

What is this

[woven swallow]

Scythe map30, one of the hardest map in scythe

[solar yew]

I’ve been playing sigil 2 and I’m glad the levels aren’t like 45 minutes each.

[tropic zenith]

Damn I might actually enjoy playing 2 then

Those mapsets that are like only 7 to 9 maps long but take a week to complete in hour-long intervals are wild to me

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167762378197311528/1378035409040183316/doom38.png?ex=683b22fc&is=6839d17c&hm=1324d545a4a00be512a5da70de6eb9024999278a7c5928e8962b74ed050741ff& sunlust map08, UV max/single segment, no saves

[rigid wolf]

Hello all

If I have doom 1 and 2 (from game pass) do I have the .wad files?

[fervent coral]

same ngl i havent rlly played vanilla doom in a while

[lost saffron]

https://youtu.be/EgFeqoKqOE4?si=aIaM_xY6zWmFwYH7

[rigid wolf]

I suck at finding secrets in doom lol

66% on the first level. What did I miss 🤣

[vale gyro]

Doom 1?

[rigid wolf]

Yeah

[vale gyro]

here's the secrets in order btw

• Mega Armor Secret (Can be accessed either through a button in the green armor area or through a hidden wall in the acid area)
• Shotgun Secret (Can be accessed by walking into the exit room and then back out into the acid room)
• Armor Secret (Can be accessed by opening the Shotgun Secret and then quickly going in and out of the hallway that leads into the acid room, and catching a lift inside the Shotgun Secret)

@rigid wolf forgot to reply

[rigid wolf]

Ah thanks @vale gyro must be that third one I missed

[vale gyro]

Yeah. That third one is quite easy to miss lol.

[upper fulcrum]

Is there a guide to know the basics to start modding doom?

[vale gyro]

In the sense of actually playing or making mods?

[slow shell]

do y’all have tips for map09-map11 on doom 2

i get so low on ammo every playthrough i do on doom 2 on them

Do I basically just either need to rush to the exit and avoid enemies or 100% secrets no in between?

i remember struggling with ammo on previous playthroughs but never this bad

i completely ran out on map 10 at a certain point and had to run it back

[warm prism]

i need a plushie like that

[vale gyro]

Good news, there's a small Caco plush keychain on Romero's website iirc

I have it. It's silly as fuck.

[tropic zenith]

Hissy was legendary

[slow shell]

I think I just needed to use different weapons more

And take more time exploring

Make sure to grab everythint

[vale gyro]

Yeah. Doom at it's core is a game of resource management and exploration.

And is technically a puzzle game if you play it the right way

In short, balance out the ammo types you use and use the right weapons for the right situations

Also try to cause infighting if possible. It'll save you the ammo, health, and armor

[wanton cave]

Chainsaw all the way baby

[vale gyro]

Only useful on a handful of enemies tbh

Basically anything over a Pinky and it becomes kinda useless

[warm prism]

holy shit ive just beaten Onslaught

oh dear God that resides in Heaven and watches out for us

there is like a dozen arch-viles

[slow shell]

Very very true

I kinda thought I could just like ssg my way through everything

I beat Thy Flesh Consumed before this mind you but imo they give you quite a bit of ammo in that

Like you have enough shotgun shells for the Baron in E4M1

[lost saffron]

Playing through legacy of rust finally

Should i pistol start or nah, im kinda rusty on classic doom

[vale gyro]

Do what you wish tbh

LoR can be somewhat brutal at times, though. I do personally suggest at least per-level saves.

[lost saffron]

I think ill play regularly then

[shell kestrel]

Anyone think the spider in my PS4 is gonna survive me booting up doom on it

[sharp wyvern]

DO NOT PISTOL START 😭

[vale gyro]

Eh, probably

[shell kestrel]

Bad news davoth the spider is now stuck in the PS4

[lost saffron]

LMAO ok ok

[warm prism]

not unless you want that Plutona UV Civvie 11 advice

[tropic zenith]

Chainsaw more zombies to get a plus on ammo

I abuse infighting with them as much as possible too

[tropic zenith]

Very hard

Natural progression in Doom 1 is preferred, but much of 2 is more doable from pistol start

Doom 1 pistol start nightmare is true CBT

[upper fulcrum]

Making my dude, it's time to give back

[woven swallow]

Yes

[vale gyro]

Well, in that case it entirely depends on what you want to make and what port(s) you're targeting

[tropic zenith]

Making maps: doombuilder
Collating/finishing up files in wad/pk3 archives: slade or something similar

You may also need other ancillary programs depending on what kinds of graphics and audio you want to make, if any

Slade however supports some graphics editing like palette translations so if you just want to recolor monsters and textures, you don't even need a graphics software

(I'm old so suggest any newer and better programs that do the same thing but better)

Documentation for dehacked and various source port specific languages is kind of all over the place

[vale gyro]

Yeah, I should've pulled out my list of stuff.

• Mapping: Ultimate Doom Builder. This'll work for all major formats.
• Embedding Resources/Manipulating Archives: Slade 3
• Making Dehacked/Bex Patches: WhackEd4
• Text Editor and Graphics Editing Programs Optional
• DoomTools is also optional, but is required for stuff like DecoHack

Llortor's right for documentation being kinda all over the place

Ofc, it's still easily found

[tropic zenith]

My best resource has often been studying other mods that do something similar to what I want to do

[lost saffron]

I didnt realize legacy of rust would be a fucking pain in the ass

[vale gyro]

lol

[upper fulcrum]

The music is so damn good, who composed that?

[vale gyro]

Xaser iirc

[upper fulcrum]

The name popped in my head as I finished typing, I was like, wait I do know. They should had gotten him for Dark ages.

[vale gyro]

Xaser's music style would not work for TDA

For as much as I like Xaser, it's just incompatible

[vale gyro]

If you're targetting for most ports to support your mod, look into Vanilla, Boom, MBF, or MBF21

As well as Dehacked with WhackEd or DecoHack (whatever you prefer)

this'll give you support for basically all major source ports

Unless the tricks you use only work in ports with accurate physics (like POOGERS), then you'll lose support for stuff like GZDoom

If you just want to have the most control, look at GZDoom and ZScript

you'll, however, limit yourself to basically just GZDoom

UDMF as a map format is also an option, but can be limited in terms of what ports you can use

basically DSDA-Doom (albeit very limited) and GZDoom (and I think some other ZDoom-based ports, but I honestly forgot)

[tropic zenith]

What does Xaser do now?

Also the vast majority of Doom specific and myhouse style tricks can be achieved with just Boom format mapping, which will then be compatible with most if not all ports

I pretty much only recommend GZDoom if you want significantly customized or large amounts of new monsters/weapons or maps with lots of complex features and functions

[upper fulcrum]

MBF? Okay I did not know that one

[vale gyro]

MBF was a source port forked from Boom with extra features

MBF21 is then just an even more extended MBF

[tropic zenith]

@vale gyro do any ports other than gzdoom support map hubs and map transitions with no effects or intermission screens?

[upper fulcrum]

So If I want to do vanilla mapping I should strike for BOOM?

[vale gyro]

To my knowledge no

[vale gyro]

Well, you'd want to strike for Vanilla

[upper fulcrum]

I want to try my hand at vanilla map design

[vale gyro]

then you'd want to target complevels 2, 3, or 4

or in English terms, Doom v1.9 (Doom 2), Ultimate Doom (Doom 1), and Final Doom

you could always convert a vanilla map into Boom, and Boom into MBF, and MBF into MBF21 if needed

but generally, always try to figure out exactly what you want before starting to map

as you'll get an idea on what format and port(s) you want to target

though now adays, people generally target either Boom/MBF(21) or UDMF

with some exceptions such as Sigil

[upper fulcrum]

I am reading the wiki and it says that most people aim for either Doom v.19 or Boom v2.02?

[vale gyro]

oh yeah, completely forgot about the former somehow

so generally it's just either Doom v1.9, Boom, MBF, MBF21, and UDMF

the latter basically saying that you're gonna be using only GZDoom

though like I said, DSDA-Doom has partial UDMF support

[upper fulcrum]

Aight gonna do some research then

[vale gyro]

For your first map, I suggest targeting v1.9

and specifically vanilla v1.9

aka it'll work completely under Chocolate Doom

I don't suggest even targeting limit-removing v1.9 for at least your first few maps

You'll know if your WAD is either vanilla or limit-removing by seeing if it'll work just fine under Chocolate Doom

if not, then it becomes limit-removing

so basically any modern port, including the likes of Crispy Doom

[vale gyro]

Also, you'll ask why.
I only say this just so you can focus on texture work and enemy placement within limits.

At least to me will help you be a slightly better mapper: making more with less

[celest fractal]

after playing Stronghold I'm not sure that team tnt knew how to place monsters other than imps and hit scanners

[upper fulcrum]

Gotcha

[celest fractal]

tbh when I map I usually don't think about limits at all and end up with something that runs in choco anyway. The limits exist but if you're building only moderately detailed interior spaces and not going ludicrously huge with your overall size they're pretty hard to hit.

(courtyards and such count as interior for this purpose :P)

[warm prism]

and i got 100% kills in Hunted

[rancid thorn]

So I started DOOM 2 for about the 5th time on the back of prepping to playing Keven’s Happy Happy mod. I’m on the mission where the spider mastermind is just there straight away.

I think why I don’t like DOOM 2 is it’s much more about gotcha/ combat puzzles and fuck you level design. Basically it’s very unfair if you play blind in comparison to DOOM 1. Is this like a skill issue by me or a wider opinion? I don’t think I’ve gotten past map 14 ever

[vale gyro]

I don't like Doom 2's base levels either tbh

Gameplay wise I like Doom 2, but I rank even TNT higher than 2 if you're talking about only base-game

[rancid thorn]

Yeah mods don’t count. Base game

I’m playing on UV I might need to drop down to get used to the missions

Just save scumming away

[proud geyser]

Nothing wrong with rhat

[rancid thorn]

It slows it down a lot but I guess it’s how I always played classic doom because I’m shit ha

Also on Xbox 🫣

[vale gyro]

if you want a more "interesting" experience, you could use my weird ass saving system

[rancid thorn]

Go for it, what is it?

[sharp wyvern]

Yeah the level design in Doom 2 sucks

[rancid thorn]

I’d say save at the mission start and that’s it (keep your weapons)

[sharp wyvern]

I usually just save at the start unless the level is VERY long in which case i save on keycards

[rancid thorn]

Like some if it was pistol start only is next to near impossible

[rancid thorn]

I like this

[vale gyro]

You could save

• At the start of each level.
• After every major fight.
• After dying, you can save after the key you died on.
• A "stress save" that can only be used once every 5 levels. 2 if you are constantly dying.
• If you need a break. The save must be deleted after you load it, though.
• If you die enough times in an arena, you are allowed to scum through it.

the stress save thing was added to my ruleset after I played through most of Scythe 2

[rancid thorn]

Fuck man every fight is major inD2 lol

Chaingunners melt health

[vale gyro]

You could ditch that rule, then

that's what I do for the IWADs, bar Final Doom

[sharp wyvern]

I think key cards are the best way to go about it because then you only have to worry about 1/3 of a level at a time

[vale gyro]

the ruleset was primarily designed for PWADs

[sharp wyvern]

Unless the level is annoying and does all 3 at once (or puts them very close together)

Then you’re fucked

[vale gyro]

part of the reason I have so many other conditions for an allowed save

[rancid thorn]

On Xbox quick save/load in the pause menu is L/R button I just know I’m going to be sweating in the 20s and save on the death screen by mistake

[vale gyro]

also, major is loosely defined as

"A fight containing more enemies than the usual fights seen in the rest of the level.
If not applicable, then it's any fight with a larger amount of more powerful enemies (relative to the rest of the level).
If neither are applicable, then it's the fights with the least amount of available resources at direct disposal."

[karmic cliff]

Think I got save/load mapped to my Dpad. I know I do with Doom Absolution

[slow shell]

Shall re-beat Doom 2 tomorrow. Will go to Plutonia next. Scared

[woven swallow]

good luck

[tropic zenith]

Doom 2 is highly overrated because SSG

If Doom did not have a modding scene, it would not have survived past the release of Quake

People don't give custom maps enough credit for being so much better than the official maps that they helped Doom remain relevant beyond the release of increasingly modern FPSes

Stock Doom 2 is extremely primitive, I see it as predominantly a vehicle to play much better custom content

[median cloud]

I like Doom 2 its a great expansion pack for the limited roster Doom 1 had

[tropic zenith]

Some maps are fun, but the maps I don't like, I really do not like

The issues that make me not like them are especially aggravating for me, like Nirvana's switch-activated stairs easily breaking, abundance of hitscan enemies, very long latter maps, lava death traps, catwalks, etc

Some enemies are very unbalanced and aren't always used with proper care (pain elementals are used in very trolly ways that have taught me to prioritize them completely over all other demons)

Barrels O Fun is an example of a gimmick level that should work in concept but the primitive janky behavior/physics of exploding barrels and their explosion delay cause the level to sometimes be easy and sometimes force you to just fight most of the monsters yourself

[slow shell]

I’ve always preferred Ultimate Doom to Doom 2 for that reason

The majority of the Doom 2 levels always just felt kinda crap to me

[mortal silo]

I think the first 7 levels and the last 7 levels are peak doom 2

[sharp wyvern]

NRFTL is like Doom 2 if it was good

[slow shell]

Thank you, I will need it

[median cloud]

Dang never had the stairs break on me there

Nirvana is seen as one of the worst maps however but I do like it

Its ugly though

Prioritising pain elementals just seems like barebones strategy I dont really see whats bad about that

Same way you prioritize archviles

I dont really like barrels o fun either tbf

[tropic zenith]

I get that, it just feels like the entire game comes to a stop to deal with them

[dull lintel]

so Im aware that by modern doom standards plutonia isnt that hard, but ive been enjoying it so far

I actually enjoy the way it forces you to think about how to approach combat encounters and adjust your strategy.

[tropic zenith]

Chaingunners turn Doom into a cover shooter

I find it interesting to compare Knee-Deep in the Dead not only to later Doom maps, but also to Wolfenstein 3D

The extensive use of hitscanners and melee monsters with comparatively few projectile throwing monsters makes KTITD feel fundamentally much like a massively overhauled sequel to the gameplay of Wolf3D

The hardcore realism of the FPS genre has made it tough to reintegrate more fantastical projectile based enemies, so I'm very glad that boomer shooters are a genre unto themselves

[oblique plaza]

stun them by kicking their (and barons’) balls in Brutal Doom mod then

[median cloud]

Is addes difficulty I suppose

Knee deep in the dead is super fun because u can mostly go gun blazing while later eps lose a lot of momentum

But kditd also easier

Sonic suffers from the same problem where later levels take away speed for challenge

[median cloud]

Plutonia is a good challenging pack imo

Its not insanely hard but also not super easy

[slow shell]

For me, it just slows the game down and wastes so much ammo

[twin mortar]

The Xbox 360 port left behind peak and shit

[tropic zenith]

My gameplan with all options available is usually to shotgun zombies and imps, chainsaw/berserk pinkies and imps, chaingun pain elementals and arachnotrons, rocket hellknights and barons and revenants, plasma archviles, and ssg cacodemons and mancubi

[finite crag]

Beat coiled city just to get killed by a cyberdemon rocket from behind on the last level 😭

[marsh whale]

coiled city is worse than aids

[finite crag]

honestly i've never tried to pistol start that map

[halcyon willow]

Doom has a modding scene because of Doom 2. If Doom 2 didn't exist there would be no community

And the reason that Doom 2 has 10000x more custom content than Doom 1 isn't because of the SSG, it's because of the bestiary. The enemies that were added in Doom 2 vastly improved the combat

Doom 2 is also just straight up better than Doom 1

Epsiode 2 and 3 of Doom 1 are absolute slogs

[vale gyro]

Do not diss on my Episode 2…. I’m totally not coping

[halcyon willow]

lol

I have more issues with Inferno

[vale gyro]

I actually love Episode 2, bar a couple levels

I don’t care for E3, though.

[halcyon willow]

Episode 1 and 4 are my favourites

[twin mortar]

E3M1's elevator opening is one of my favorite pieces of scenery from the classics

[halcyon willow]

It is a good opening, I'll agree there

There a lots of good concepts in Inferno, it's the level design that drags it down

[sharp wyvern]

I wish Inferno had like one more monster in it

[tropic zenith]

Thy Flesh Consumed is peak and if u don't like it u have skill issooue

My opinion before was based purely on stock map design

[tropic zenith]

When I compare the maps of the classic games I refer to the separate titles, but when I compare them to other games I lump the classic games into one unified engine

[warm prism]

should i play Myhouse?

or what is the best mod like that i should play

[vale gyro]

Overboard is probably the best WAD I’ve played period

Good music, fun maps that also look good, little gags

[warm prism]

is it challenging like NRFTL and Sigil 1 and 2 or cruel like Master Levels and Plutonia

[vale gyro]

Challenging but fair

[warm prism]

okok

[vale gyro]

The really challenging levels are the NG+ ones

As well as the hidden demo map with 1000 imps

[warm prism]

idk why but sh-t like Batman Doom call more attention to me than things like Sunlust

[warm prism]

wow

[vale gyro]

But yeah, there’s like 6 or 8 normal maps, the same amount of NG+ maps

And also the hidden demo map

Plus two ending maps

[warm prism]

is it DOOM 1 or Doom 2?

[vale gyro]

Doom 2, complevel 9

Don’t use any sort of weapon mods or gameplay changing mods

[warm prism]

cool, i keep my SSG

[vale gyro]

And it’s recommended to use no freelook, and I think jumping and crouching aren’t allowed

[warm prism]

imo freelook is heresy

[vale gyro]

I don’t use it, but I don’t see it as such

[warm prism]

like thats what sets Classic Doom apart (also 64 but that has its own channel) apart from other fps

[tropic zenith]

True, Doom maps kinda have that squat, horizontal feel where things are designed to be seen without looking up or down

Or features which stretch into ambiguity above or below the view

I like the very tall and foreboding aspect of architecture in the new games for that kind of heavy, hanging feel that lots of Doom maps leverage with ceiling features

[twin mortar]

Ironic considering the first id Tech 1 game to utilize freelook is called Heretic 😭

[dull lintel]

a confession: I play doom using project brutality. I am not the greatest fan of vanilla doom, but am aware thr pb vastly changes the gameplay.

Its a personal preference and I consider it strange I prefer project brutality.

[tropic zenith]

Tbh while it's pretty different, mods like that are generally more difficult than vanilla due to various factors about the mod, so you'd probably be pretty beast mode at the regular game anyway

[mortal silo]

This is part of the Shmup design of the classics tbh
nuDoom has always felt more like a quake game to me, until TDA that is

[warm prism]

is there any reason to use the pistol besides starting with it?

[tropic zenith]

Not really

Mostly to flex

[finite crag]

shootable switches

[frigid leaf]

Is wad cmd good compared to gzdoom

[warm prism]

specially Sigil

man, Doom at 120 fps

[vale gyro]

WAD Commander is basically just online Chocolate Doom

[frigid leaf]

Like a n ubuntu

[vale gyro]

?

[vast reef]

no what sets classic doom apart is its near-perfect enemy and weapon balance and potential for incredibly high enemy counts with complex fights

[karmic cliff]

Classic Doom's gameplay is still just as fun and pleasing to learn & master.
I mean I started playing classic Doom back on Doom 3 BFG 360. Before Doom 4

[vast reef]

doom is as close to a "suckless" fps there is lol

like the chess of singleplayer fps games

[karmic cliff]

Suckless?
You mean how it's nearly impossible for the player to be bad, unless they choose to be bad at the game? Cuz of how easy classic Doom is.

[vast reef]

no it's a design philosophy, look it up, it essentially means minimal and flexible/elegant

also go play italo doom and come back and say it's easy

[vast reef]

OH devil daggers is the suckless fps

[karmic cliff]

Is that available on Doom 1 & 2? The one that has Andrew Hulshult's classic Doom remix

If not, maybe I could opt for Sigil 1 & 2 on Ultra Violence.

[vast reef]

i have no idea i play with dsda doom and get my wads from the internet

you should play on a source port if you're on pc

[karmic cliff]

Ah.
Yeah, I'm playing on PS5.

[vast reef]

oh oh well

that's like having geometry dash lite

no access to every community level :P

gd/osu is always my comparison point for doom in that community content is the main focus

[karmic cliff]

It is limiting with mod accessibility, definitely.

[remote cedar]

yo guys isn't there a way for Doom + Doom II to autosave at the beginning of a level?

I'm using sourceports but recently a friend of mine started playing Doom using Doom + Doom II

and I thought there might've been an autosave feature

[sharp wyvern]

No it’s just manual saving

[remote cedar]

Darn I see, thanks for the answer

[native pendant]

I still get nightmares about ||terrywads||.

[tropic zenith]

The rest is troll content but UACMN is genuine satire of poor zdoom mods at the time

The reason I say so is because it categorically includes every single thing that people usually do wrong

Screw off Vega I worked really hard on that checklist only to be told "too many memes"

If you want to know the list of things it satirizes I will reply later

@tiny rain you stupid

[native pendant]

No need.

[tropic zenith]

Whatever bro

Are you baiting then?

[native pendant]

No, I legit had one last night.

[tropic zenith]

The brain rot has consumed you, he lives rent free inside your head

[native pendant]

Okay, terrywad supporter.

[tropic zenith]

Imagine playing terrywads and not perceiving that they're the exact same level of quality as the average zdoom mod from 2008

[native pendant]

Stop

[tropic zenith]

Broken textures, overpowered monsters with spammy attacks, feeble horror nextbots using halloween masks taken from google images, nonsense map progression, a broken train level, obnoxious unskippable cutscenes, and a "my school" map all together in one condensed package is clearly satire

Zdoomers were just not ready for next gen mlg gamer type humor with the loud noises and flashing lights

But anyone who was watching YouTube poop at the time was not traumatized

If it truly hurt you that much, I regret to inform you that perhaps your constitution is not very strong, or that you buy too much into community hype

Or don't play it at 3am

[fervent coral]

https://tenor.com/view/myhousewad-secretentrance-myhouse-gif-3657165553467638746

[native pendant]

TBH, that wad didn't scare me very much. If anything, I found it frustrating.

[tropic zenith]

It seems to surprise people who haven't heard of silent teleporters the most

Man who remembers Impossible: A New Reality

"Non Euclidean space!" 😱
iddt 😐

I do be needing to actually play it though

[ancient dragon]

I bet myhouse.wad was just a ragebait attempt

[tropic zenith]

UAC Military Nightmare imo is satire, but still not fun to play at all, if I were to answer the question of what the most fun jokewad is to me it would be It Only Gets Worse

[ancient dragon]

Worst part is myhouse.wad was really laggy sometimes

[tropic zenith]

Or Deathz0r Online

[ancient dragon]

Even if you had a crazy good supercomputer it would still lag

Probably gzdoom tweaking

[tropic zenith]

It seems most like an artistically driven thing inspired by non euclidean game engine test videos on youtube

[ancient dragon]

And the story they made up just to release the wad

[tropic zenith]

Weird software bottlenecking probably yeah

[ancient dragon]

That was crazy

Well, when doesn't gzdoom glitch?

Mod it too much and it runs worse than doom the dark ages

[tropic zenith]

My computer when I type "kill monsters" into the console with a gore mod active: 🔥

[tropic zenith]

Also wtf it has a fictional behind-the-scenes story like Sentry?

Absolutely bizarre

[ancient dragon]

Damn doom the dark ages runs at 40 fps 1080p low with fsr 3 ultra perf mode, And I have to put sharpening all at max to make it even look slightly acceptable. And the fps drops down to like 5 fps during intense combat that it feels like a powerpoint pres.

[ancient dragon]

Yeah the dude who released the wad said it was a wad he made with his friend when they were teens, and he released the wad after his friend passed away

"wad we made when we were teens"
laggy frustating psychological horror that goes above the engine limitations

[tropic zenith]

They tryna be Godzilla Creepypasta

It comes across so odd to me when people want to design this inherently charismatic and fictional context to their mod instead of just honestly say "I made this for fun"

Maybe I have been exposed to far too much horror and storytelling in general

At least MyHouse can have the title of most fun/enjoyable creepypasta to play, since most everything else is about taking control away from the player instead of exploring what the engine can do

[mortal silo]

I just started playing Valiant yesterday.
Omg this is like the greatest megawads ever.

[woven swallow]

PEAK

[warm prism]

i was just asking if i should play it

[woven swallow]

If you like horror, Myhouse.wad is for you

[slow shell]

Plutonia Experiment wasnt as bad as I thought although there are some very evil traps haha

I may just be ass at Doom but I did find I had to kinda save scum

[warm prism]

X2, im currently at The Twilight

finished

126% kills

[finite crag]

So did I lol
Plutonia is very evil in places lol.

[warm prism]

what modern weapon fits Classic Doom better? (the Unmakyr is already classic)

[tropic zenith]

Ballista imo

[hollow wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-cacodemon-pet-gif-11066561543147440045

[finite crag]

That’s the guy that bit me!!!!!

[warm prism]

honestly the Gauss Cannon would be better

[finite crag]

its practically the same thing

[tropic zenith]

The ballista has a wider penetrative shot that works better with classic style gameplay

[warm prism]

but esthetically Gauss goes better

[karmic cliff]

In classic Doom what is considered Save Scuming?
Playing classic Doom as long as I have, you'd think I would know by now. Lol

[halcyon willow]

Save scumming is a concept invented by people who want everyone to be as miserable as them

The Doom manual literally says to use saves

Save as much or as little as you want

Anyone who tries to tell you to not save is to be ignored and/or flung into the sea

[warm prism]

yup, there is no shame in saving

i do it

[fervent matrix]

i just... forget to save lmao

[celest fractal]

imo save scumming only comes in when you try to circumvent game-imposed limits on saving

otherwise it's just using all the tools available to yoh

[tropic zenith]

Spamming quicksave imo, to me it's more reflective of the trend to make things very difficult knowing that players can retry from a previous spot as much as they like

I describe it like if I need to save before every single fight or suspicious door/switch/powerup

Ive done it more in Doom 64 and 3, some in 2, and almost never in Doom 1, partly because of map length and my familiarity with the maps

The traps in Quake 1 on a blind run for the first time forced me to spam quicksave a lot, which I would describe as being forced to savescum

[tropic zenith]

Me when I die and suddenly get that pistol start

I wish autosaving at the start of each level was standard, I hate that surprise

[karmic cliff]

Typically I'd only save in the beginning of a level with Doom 1 and Absolution. With Doom 2 and 3, I'll save before key moments in progression.

[wanton cave]

I save whenever

[bold nymph]

https://bsky.app/profile/cardboardmarty.bluevertigo.org/post/3lqldxakc2s2m

Carlos @ BLUE VERTIGO (@cardboardmarty.bluevertigo.org)

I've had an idea to do slightly touched-up Doomguy sprites rattling in my head for a bit, so here they are! I also figured I'd do the Zombieman and a variant! 🧟

#doom #sprites #spritework #modding

Bluesky · Jun 1, 2025, 10:50 PM

[celest fractal]

okay, TNT MAP31 Pharoh was tough, but fair, and fun.

[sharp wyvern]

it also used to be impossible till it was updated lol

[sinful bloom]

Do any of yall have a mod for the slayers sloppy movement it runs me into melee attacks

Also, yes: skill issue

[celest fractal]

it wasn't impossible! you could just barely wedge yourself through the yellow bars, or you could land yourself on the throne and use the fact the game doesn't check height to use lines.

but yeah having the yellow key work in single player is a welcome change :P

(I think the Doom + Doom 2 version also ran that one map through a modern nodebuilder, breaking demos but fixing the issues with the last room?)

(Worth it imo, that was a pretty significant issue)

[scarlet pagoda]

To your opinion What game Is better, doom 1 or doom 2, cuz recently i saw a Lot of hate towards doom 2 level design

[celest fractal]

I like Doom 1 better (the original three episodes anyway, Thy Flesh Consumed is noticeably rushed unfortunately)

Doom 2 is certainly not bad, I just don't like its levels quite as much. Still totally worth playing

[scarlet pagoda]

WOW, actually my favorite episode of doom 1 Is thy flesh consumed lol

[celest fractal]

it has some good maps but the difficulty curve is just completely fubar.

[scarlet pagoda]

I think it has a good challenging level design, not to mention the final level its much better than episodes 3 last map

[scarlet pagoda]

Yeah

[celest fractal]

Also Fear is easily the worst secret map. I'm a Fortress of Mystery hater and I still think that's a better secret because at least the one thing it does is kinda neat. (then it has the exit doors which are just, why)

Fear is just... another map.

So was Military Base but that one was hidden cool at least

[scarlet pagoda]

I think fortress of mystery Is worse than fear, but yeah fear Is horrible

I hate how it looks, totally different to the usual episode atmosphere

[sharp wyvern]

I prefer Doom 1 personally even though I really like Doom 2's enemy roster, I just think the level design is better

[scarlet pagoda]

Makes sense

[sharp wyvern]

at least No Rest For The Living exists so Doom 2 gets some good levels

[celest fractal]

And of course the thirty years of custom maps has some truly amazing ones (and some hilarious stinkers)

[remote cedar]

imo it's a tie
Doom 1 has much better level design
Doom 2 has a better enemy, weapon and item rosters

[warm prism]

anyone preordered the "Will it Run" edition?

as in that Special Limited edition of Doom + Doom 2 that comes with a physical game in a metallic box, the soundrack in Cassette (base and IDFKA), a floating magnetic Cacodemon, 3 trading cards, a Tamagotchi like thing that plays Doom, with the shape of a Cacodemon, all of that on a Box that also plays Doom

[mortal silo]

It does look nice. I missed the magnetic cacodemon

[mortal silo]

I really want a new line of toys TBH
Agaddon hunter and komodo would slap

[mortal silo]

Maybe an SS Soldier toy 😅

[ruby crater]

Nova one sucks. Good lord. Even mouldy’s maps are not that great outside of a room or two. Big no no

Can’t understand how a mapset with two project managers is rife with mapping errors left and right

[tropic zenith]

Only if the toy can explode into gibs

Though I think it's better to not make toys of even fictional n4zis

If you're wondering no I do not like Star Wars or Indiana Jones anymore, MG's Wolfenstein games reminded me that flanderizing real life evil is more or less missing the point

[tropic zenith]

Lack of experience and knowledge of why certain choices are made in game design (to be fair, many industry rules about how to design 3d games hadn't been really been developed yet anyway)

Also I would imagine constructing maps in the 90s was harder than it was in even the 2000s, much less today

[ruby crater]

Nova: The Birth is from 2014 with Project Management led by DGM and Kildeth. Both of whom critically failed their job at oversight. I wasn’t referring to doom 2 d:

Nova’s maps feel worse than works from Community Chest in many areas which is astounding considering Nova came a whole decade plus after Community Chest

[tropic zenith]

It's probably important to consider they can call themselves whatever fancy name they like, but that alone won't give them the skill to make maps

I kind of avoided longer mapsets, especially community chest type things, because the map quality varies so much and is usually a gallery of amateurish mistakes

Stuff like 10sectors was usually better to me because the limits make people get more creative and think harder

[mortal silo]

Nova has always been about showcasing new mappers afaik.

Congestion 1024 is highly regarded
I like the 3x3 projects a lot though

[tropic zenith]

Conceptually that sounds cool

[ruby crater]

I’ll definitely check out those two 🙂

[mortal silo]

3x3 part 2 is really amazeballs

[ruby crater]

Would make sense, but when I saw Dobu Gabu Maru, Cannonball, and Mouldy in the author list, I started wondering how nooby the project set really was

[mortal silo]

10x10 won a Cacowards, but I feel like that misses the point. 10 textures isn't much of restriction imo. Though the maps look nice enough

Yeah Dobu was still pretty new with Nova 1 (2014)
His first release was 2012

[ruby crater]

LunchLunch definitely made some cool maps from that set tho. Although I might be partial to the Zzul method given Killer5 is someone I know somewhat, so the references in it and it being the map to hide the secret level is appropriate

I do agree 10 flats and 10 wall textures isn’t much of a restriction compared to the 1x1 project

[tropic zenith]

I haven't officially released any maps I've made because I haven't turned on my computer in forever I feel none of them are really above noob level, and better stuff isn't really finished

[ruby crater]

Now, Petya cooked in the 1x1 project with his door map…

S tier map

[ruby crater]

Should boot up Udb someday and try mapping again :)

[mortal silo]

If you have good ideas, they will be well received
As with any craft, you just have to push yourself
It wasn't until I forced myself to release an episode in 6 months that my levels started looking appealing imo (and just barely appealing tbh)

I haven't mapped in 2 years
But I'm making custom monsters and grabbing textures
And still come collecting encounter ideas

I think it's important to be a part of mapping conversation though
Nothing is really created in a vacuum, and it helps to bounce your ideas off with others, so that you can better reflect on your own design tropes

[tropic zenith]

Ironically, I had started modding with making custom monsters and weapons, but i could only comprehend how to make maps about six or seven years ago

For now I enjoy drawing concepts of what maps will look like so that I'm more prepared to go into crafting something specific instead of banging my head on the wall trying to force creativity out

[mortal silo]

Small maps are more than fine

[tropic zenith]

For me I can easily back myself into a corner adding too much detail before I'm happy with the fundamentals of the gameplay, making it harder to make adjustments later

[mortal silo]

My first map had 57 monsters

[tropic zenith]

Imterestimg

[ruby crater]

I tend to map holistically. I go room by room and won’t move onto the next till I detail and furnish the previous rooms appropriately

[mortal silo]

Yeah I am trying to emulate the Titanfall 2 level design method
They block out segments, and then keep what feels fun, and then add details

[ruby crater]

But man, you open up an Insane Gazebo map and all you wanna do is give up lol

He’s so talented

[mortal silo]

I mean yeah, but comparison is the thief of joy
Try to make your map, and find your voice
People will enjoy whatever you pour your heart into

[ruby crater]

Yea, that’s what I’m hoping for :)

[tropic zenith]

A lot of artists and mappers don't often share the design process or any difficulties they faced, so a sudden, impressive product to outside observers can seem very intimidating like that

It's weird

I'm more than willing to tell others how hard something was for me

I feel like there's not enough documentation for how to avoid weird errors like copying sectors onto others (like producing windows in a wall quickly) can cause upper/lower textures to exist on the same line as the prior middle texture, resulting in that weird flashing z-buffer esque visual glitch, for one example

Just all this weird ass crap that makes it hard to feel motivated because it's like the map itself is fighting with me

Wondering if it was my computer's problem that DoomBuilder would crash when trying to undo a complex action

[mortal silo]

Yeah that's actually a feature used in suspended in dusk
I wish there was documentation of that bug so I could better repeat it 😁

[tropic zenith]

Suspended in Dusk was insanely detailed

Honestly the most realistic industrial complex I've ever seen in a Doom map(s)

And he made it with one arm

[mortal silo]

The final room with the spaceship has layered midtextures that I can only assume were created by that bug

[tropic zenith]

If it's vanilla and they do that, then it's leveraging the bug

I don't remember a whole lot about the ending because I struggled a lot with playing it, as I wasn't that good at the time

[mortal silo]

The cyberdemon fight is kinda lame
But the 4th and final level is 🔥

I've yet to see esselfortium replicate some of these suspended in dusk features

I'm a fan of espi's monster placement. I really think it's rather genius, though a lot of people complained about it

[tropic zenith]

If SiD uses a lot of bugs for special effects, that would easily explain why, and it's unfortunate we can't ask Espi how he made it

[tropic zenith]

I remember it was challenging for me, but not unfair (I pretty much only died if I rushed too much) and I remember the archviles were used well

I really remember it if people use them well or poorly 💀

Equinox was really cool, and one of the first mods I remember to start using Arch-Viles as a stand-in for aliens

The spaceship level was extremely tense, it made you feel like you were trapped with them and trying to survive in a movie like Alien

It was smart that everything up til then was recognizably human, and then suddenly the architecture is so organically efficient that it makes little sense, and nothing is readable

Then it lands on the alien demon planet and you fight your way to their capitol, which turns out to be a 1:1 but evil version of the Equinox corporate HQ on earth

[mortal silo]

Equinox is next on my playlist
Right after I finish Valiant for the first time

[tropic zenith]

Map04 has an error with the midi file where it won't loop correctly so you may have to use the level music cheat to restart the theme

Overall the levelset pretty effectively utilizes its large spaces in combat, and is pretty nicely nonlinear in some parts

[mortal silo]

That sounds awesome

[tropic zenith]

One final piece of trivia is that it was made by the same mapper who created Nuts

I really want to complete Grove normally but it's very hacky and the trees are frustrating, very cryptic and difficult

[mortal silo]

He has another episode too iirc that's very exploration style

Ah yeah the Grove

[tropic zenith]

BPRD's approach at surrealism has inspired me immensely in my writing

Making the Chaingunner a mysterious interdimensional character was a bold move that has always stuck with me

Not inherently evil but aggressive to outsiders trying to take his mysterious otherworld mushrooms

It just feels right to play BPRD maps with Zharkov Goes To The Store

Why are custom Doom maps so formative to my tastes lol

[onyx shoal]

[ruby crater]

Grove is a bit overrated, and the switch at the foot of a rocky staircase in the dark is a big red flag for mapping today

But it’s definitely a classic

[tropic zenith]

Real, even at the time I could tell it was very primitive, but I just really like the ambience and style

I mostly wish it were better to play 💀

[halcyon willow]

It's funny, one of the things that got me into mapping was wanting to make maps like Sunder. Now I've dragged Gazebo into the wonderful world of udmf and he's made the leap to commercial gzdoom games.

[hexed escarp]

damb

is he still working on Sunder or is he kinda done with it

i know a couple years ago he posted a few screenshots of map21, but i havent seen anything about it sinc ethen

[tropic zenith]

I feel like everyone who says gzdoom is bad is just jealous they can't make a commercial game

[proud dock]

Does anyone have tips for the “Shoot it until it dies” trophy for doom 1993

[hexed escarp]

personally, i dont think its bad, its just for me, if i am going to make something that has actual 3d capabilities, i would much rather use an actual game engine

if i want to make something in the doom engine, i want to make it in something even slightly vaguely resembling the doom engine

but i do understand why people like using gzdoom, and think the stuff that people make is really cool, its just not for me personally

[hexed escarp]

what do you have to do to get it?

[proud dock]

Kill a cyber demon with a pistol shot

[hexed escarp]

oh

you probably would want to shoot it 2 or 3 times with the bfg and then switch to the pistol

[proud dock]

Okay

[hexed escarp]

you can kill a cyberdemon with 2 bfg shots by getting right up in its face when the tracers fire

[proud dock]

I’ll probably do it after completing all of the just playing trophies

[proud dock]

So like two from a far?

[hexed escarp]

so maybe if you hit it with two shots while standing ALMOST right in front of it but not quite

[hexed escarp]

no two from afar would barely do anything, you would want to do two from almost right in front of it

[proud dock]

Oki

[hexed escarp]

or maybe 3 from medium distance

there is a strategy for shooting it closely with the bfg without getting hit

that is often used to kill a cyberdemon in two shots

there is specific timing for it

there is this tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0usYUJoRN6I

so you would just want to do almost this but not quite

im trying to think of the easiest way in doom 1 to get to a cyberdemon with the bfg

you couldnt do it with the e2m8 cyberdemon because there are no bfgs in episode 2

then there are no cyberdemons in episode 3, so i guess it would have to be episode 4

maybe it would just be easier to do it in e2m8 with the plasma or rocket launcher instead of the bfg

[halcyon willow]

He's working on it still. Currently got a deadline for {REDACTED} but he's been ticking away on Sunder map 21

[hexed escarp]

cool! cant wait to see it

currently i have not even gotten past map04 of sunder because im not that good at the game but it is really cool to see the maps

[halcyon willow]

Gzdoom had advantages that other engines don't, and it has draw backs. Biggest advantage is transferable skills from doom modding and the best level design tool ever created in UDB

[vale gyro]

I got an easy, non-cheating way to do it

[proud dock]

?

[halcyon willow]

My first like 5 play throughs of Sunder were with God mode lol

[hexed escarp]

is there a spreadsheet or something somewhere of the average damage of various weapons?

[vale gyro]

Go to E2M8, grab the rocket launcher, shoot it about 30-ish times, and then just finish it off with the pistol

[hexed escarp]

like the average taking into account the rng table

[halcyon willow]

Doomwiki has that info iirc

[hexed escarp]

not just like the average of the random range

[vale gyro]

Not a spreadsheet, but there is a Doomworld post by Billa

Covers both Vanilla and Boom

[hexed escarp]

cool, what should i search for to find it

[proud dock]

Is damage different based on what difficult you play on?

[vale gyro]

Nah

[proud dock]

Okay

[hexed escarp]

the only thing that difficulty changes is things placed in the map. When a mapper is creating a map, they can set certain monsters to only appear on higher difficulty levels

[vale gyro]

Oh wait, I was wrong

[halcyon willow]

The player takes half damage on ITYTD

[vale gyro]

My bad

[hexed escarp]

or have extra ammo/health appear on lower levels

but yeah, the lowest and highest difficulties are exceptions

[halcyon willow]

That's the only damage related thing that difficulty changes

[hexed escarp]

the lowest difficulty you take half damage and pickup double ammo

[halcyon willow]

Nightmare gives you double ammo too

[hexed escarp]

and on the highest difficulty, you pickup double ammo, but enemies move and attack faster, and respawn

[hexed escarp]

what were you wrong about

[vale gyro]

At worst you just gotta have a quick save you can load back to

[vale gyro]

It was about average hits iirc

[hexed escarp]

ah

i was going to see if i could find what the average damage of the rocket launcher is

to see how many rockets you want to shoot the cyber with

[vale gyro]

Like, the post does have damage chances, I think

I just skimmed through it so I’m not fully sure

[hexed escarp]

where can I find this?

im trying to but I cant

[green parrot]

are there any mods for doom 1 or 2 that are a wave based horde mode? doesnt have to be anything fancy its just something ive always wanted!

[vast hollow]

Sup chat

[hexed escarp]

there is hordamex which I think is that. It is made exclusively for the odamex source port which is a zdoom based multiplayer source port, but you can use it for singleplayer if you want

I have not played it though, but have heard good things

it is a set of maps which has a ton of custom monsters and i think it is a wave based thing

[green parrot]

that sounds like a long ting ;;

[vale gyro]

I did experiment with a vanilla map with 4 waves of enemies, but it fell through, sadly

[tropic zenith]

True, but you wouldn't believe how long I thought Prodeus was a gzdoom mod, can you blame me lol

[hexed escarp]

Yeah, that's exactly my point, gzdoom is at the point that it could have feasibly made that game

So I would much rather use the much less janky engine

[warm prism]

do yall like the Incinerator?

(from Legacy of Rust)

[proud dock]

If anyone else wants to try this, you could just do it playing the whole episode, but if you’re gonna skip to E2M8, prioritize saves

[warm prism]

https://youtu.be/fx5SGMvOnSc?si=z1OUOfmsXia6aTgX

[halcyon willow]

Invasion mods for zandronum or horde mode for odamex

[halcyon willow]

I helped work on it so I can give you the very unbiased and objective opinion that it is Fucking Excellent

[hexed escarp]

yes it is fun