classic-doom

[sharp wyvern]

yeah

though IMO Legacy of Rust is still just straight up canon

same with NRFTL

[worldly tide]

Do any of yall know how to play multi-player on delta touch?

[scarlet quiver]

No sorry

Don't know how to play on multiplayer on Delta touch

[still hawk]

is there campaign coop for doom 1 and 2 on steam? has anyone tried?

[vale gyro]

Yes, the Steam version does have co-op for maps. It's okay, mainly hindered by the horrendous netcode of that port.

[halcyon willow]

Because that's what it's called

According to Dario Casali, the "TNT" in the title originally stood for "Trials 'N Tribulations",[1] but later it officially became known as "The New Technology", representing the name of the mapping team, TeamTNT, who created it.

[azure nimbus]

Tribulations shares the same root as tribology (the study of friction). So tribulations provide friction against progress towards the goal.

[mortal silo]

I'm thinking of naming an episode The New Technology

[ruby sparrow]

guys

i beat duke nukem 3d!

all 5 episodes done :)))

and i loved every second of it!!!

[woven swallow]

There’s 3 more official expansions btw

[twin mortar]

But then why have all the Final DOOM content call it Evilution? It just confuses me

[median cloud]

You have Final Doom: TNT Evilution and Final Doom: The Plutonia Experiment

[twin mortar]

Where's that stated, aside from post-release content

[vale gyro]

I think manuals?

I’d check, but I do not feel like getting up rn

[twin mortar]

All I can remember calling it that is the Final DOOM game selection on Steam

[vale gyro]

Yeah, the manual calls it Evilution

And I think the manual from the 2003 Ultimate Doom Trilogy calls it that, too

[twin mortar]

Someone earlier said that it's called TNT: Evilution on the TeamTNT page, and that's the name it's been given retrospectively in official material starting with Unity, I just wonder why the name TNT caught on over what it's actually called in every piece of Final DOOM material on release

[vale gyro]

Because TNT is apart of the name, and just shorter

As well as similar reasons for people calling UDoom Doom 1, I suppose

[twin mortar]

I mean the name TNT: Evilution

[vale gyro]

Which that’s the name it’s called in the manual

And even if it was just called Evilution and nothing else, the IWAD’s quite literally TNT.WAD

so it could’ve then caught on that way

[twin mortar]

You just said the manual calls it Evilution though!!!

[median cloud]

Maybe the manual made a mistake lol

[vale gyro]

No, I made the mistake

[twin mortar]

Then so would've the back of the box, the in-game logo and the in-game menu

[vale gyro]

Because for the one time I wasn’t literal, I omitted the TNT part

[twin mortar]

All I'm saying is the name differing so many times is confusing

[median cloud]

Not confusing to anyone but you tbf

Everyone I've ever talked to knows Final Doom is split in TNT Evilution and Plutonia Experiment

[twin mortar]

I know that too

Yes it's exclusively a thing I care about but my wording of confusing isn't that it makes me scratch my head like a cartoon character, it's just that it's strange

Every in-game thing calls it Evilution but then everyone, including the developers and current porting team calls it TNT: Evilution

[median cloud]

But the official iWAD is tnt.wad

[twin mortar]

That could just be them signing off

[stuck echo]

I think Blood is better than Doom...

Although I just got really lost on E2M5 and had to use a cheat code

[woven swallow]

YES

tho it's not better than doom2....

[ruby sparrow]

?

what are these expansions

[woven swallow]

1 Duke It Out In D.C.
2 Duke: Nuclear Winter
3 Duke Caribbean: Life's A Beach

[twin mortar]

Did the math. Both of the Unity ports have 557 levels total. If you were to play them on each difficulty individually, you would go through 2785 levels. If you also want to play through them again with a buddy, also on each difficulty mode, you would end up with 5570 levels. If you wanted to play it again with 3 players, then with 4, you would end up with 11140 levels played total. Each level has a deathmatch mode, in which you can select a frag limit option (with 5 options) and a time limit option (with 13 options). Each level has 65 options, meaning that if you were to want to play every single possible level in the Unity ports, you would play a total of 47345 levels. If you were held at gunpoint and forced to play through every single level like this within a month, and you averaged out about a minute per level, you would fall short of the due date by 3545 minutes, which is equal to 2,461806 days.

[tropic zenith]

Iwad names aren't exactly nice/plain text for players to easily recognize, they're just the game data files

Like how everything official refers to the mancubus as a mancubus but the game code calls them fatso

[tropic zenith]

Game modes don't fundamentally change anything about the map, they just control what actors are loaded or not loaded when the map is initialized

Technically all map objects coexist at once in the data that defines a map

[twin mortar]

They can alter the experience

Come on man I included every combination of frag and time limits I think you can let me have this one 😭

[tropic zenith]

Yeah, the experience is different, but then you could say that every possible RNG seed is thus a separate "level" too

[median cloud]

wdym? They're called doom.wad doom2.wad tnt.wad and plutonia.wad

[tropic zenith]

It is slightly silly

[median cloud]

They are pretty easy to recognize

[tropic zenith]

doom 1 and Ultimate Doom's iwads share the same filename and they couldnt just say the entire title of the game due to the 8-character limit in DOS

[twin mortar]

If you want to go down to every little detail you could cook up a combination of health + armor + ammo + weapons you can have while finishing the map with each specific time and specific item, kill, and secret count, and we'd be here all day. This is simplifying it to values the player can actually control

[tropic zenith]

I'm not the one who wants to do that

[twin mortar]

Neither am I, you brought up values out of player reach first :p

[tropic zenith]

I'm not of the position that the same map loaded with different game mode flags constitutes a wholly separate map

[twin mortar]

You know what I meant

Every possible variation of every map

[tropic zenith]

It's not that there are "47,345 levels" for example, it's that there are about a hundred levels that you can each play around 5-7 different ways

"47,345 levels" is the same kind of logic that LCD block game developers use to claim that their handhelds have hundreds of games despite them all being the same four with slightly different options that can be set

[twin mortar]

You're looking too much into this

Literally just an insignificant calculation for fun that explores something nobody would ever do

And you're judging it as if I'm marketing the ports for having a lot of levels?

[tropic zenith]

Am sorry

I think that I just feel strongly about the way the classic games work because i spent so long learning about them, I apologize for making it hard to have fun

[finite crag]

sorry to bust into this argument but anyone here willing to play test a map ive made for doom 2?

[twin mortar]

It's not an argument

It's fine, @tropic zenith, I appreciate you backing down

[stuck echo]

It's so fucked up that blood didn't get a proper 3d sequel for the post-quake era

[tropic zenith]

Blood II: The Chosen does exist

But I've heard it's not as good

[stuck echo]

It seems pretty bad yeah.m.

[mighty star]

Blood 2 is awful

It was literally released in an unfinished alpha build. Apparently Nightdive are interested in actually finishing the game and restoring a lot of the cut content

[twin mortar]

Steam description not even being properly written is hilarious

"Includes original Blood II: The Chosen and add-on package The Nightmare LevelsAn immersive atmosphere full of dark humor and exciting actionFour playable characters and wide variety of weapons" [sic]

[mighty star]

Lmao. The Nightmare levels are slightly better only because they brought the cultists back with better audio quality

[halcyon willow]

You know Final Doom was out over a decade before Steam even existed right?

[gentle compass]

Steam floppy disks?!

[finite crag]

steam ps2 game

[mortal silo]

Final Doom has become a defunct title imo

[gentle compass]

you beat Doom 2 and you load up TNT or Plutonia and you go ‘FINALLY…More Doom!’

[twin mortar]

No, Steam is from 2003, Final DOOM is from 1996. That's only 7 years. I don't really see why you are asking me this though

[halcyon willow]

You keep askign why it's called TNT: Evilution. That's what it's called. I own a physical copy

[twin mortar]

Ok, cool, but that's not what I was asking + it's not relevant to what you just asked me

I was asking about the name disparity, why it's called Evilution there and TNT: Evilution elsewhere

[halcyon willow]

Where is it called just Evilution?

[twin mortar]

In the title screen; both logo and background, and the back of the box (not sure which region though, but it was PC)

[halcyon willow]

Original install manual just calls it TNT

[twin mortar]

The name disparity is still there

[azure nimbus]

ok but literally who would play all the levels on every difficulty

[twin mortar]

It's just a random equation I did for fun, this channel can stop taking it so seriously now thanks

[azure nimbus]

Maybe it's TNT as in the energy equivalent of 1 t of TNT: 4.184 GJ

[azure nimbus]

to be fair, re5 has two difficulty modes in mercanaries. I did all the levels as all the characters in both modes. So glass house moment I suppose

[twin mortar]

By showing me instances of it being called TNT: Evilution it doesn't answer my question of why it has two names and not one

[halcyon willow]

And?

It's official name is TNT: Evilution. This is not in dispute

But it can also be shortened if people wish to

There's no mystery, it's not complicated

[twin mortar]

Okay, I'm gonna bounce back with what you just said; and?

This isn't what I was curious about at all. Why even engage then?

[halcyon willow]

There is no name disparity

It does not have 2 names

[twin mortar]

There is. Look at the title screen. It's not TNT: Evilution there

[halcyon willow]

Something you keep saying

So?

[halcyon willow]

See previous

[twin mortar]

So the names do not always align. The game isn't always called the same thing

[halcyon willow]

Officially it is

It has one name

[twin mortar]

Okay, but then why call it that in official material still? Like the back of the box I mentioned earlier, why still? Why not use the full name?

[halcyon willow]

Your inabiity to understand this is your own problem

[twin mortar]

And I am not making it anybody's problem, I don't find your hostility here necessary

I was just curious and asking something that did not harm anyone or go out of its way to annoy people. I was respectful about it

It's not an inability to understand, it's just confusion on why exactly it's like this

It's a curious matter to me

[halcyon willow]

Same reason The Plutonia Experiment is often refered to as just Plutonia, or Doom 2: Hell on Earth is usually just called Doom 2

People like to shorten things

[twin mortar]

And that's a fine enough answer to me

[halcyon willow]

Glad we got there in the end

[gentle compass]

Classic Doom plasma rifle, what a sound, right?

[tropic zenith]

Real

[vale gyro]

It’s a love/hate relationship for me lol

It sounds good, but it wrecks the ears

[urban vortex]

What's some good reshade presets for a creepy vibe?

[chrome dagger]

Doom has any chapter or something before him?

[warm prism]

how so?

Chronologicaly Doom 1993 is the first

idk if the expansions are canon

[chrome dagger]

Doom's Guy: Doom (1993) and extra contents -> Sigil -> Doom II and extra contents -> Final Doom -> Doom 64 and absolution -> Doom Dark Ages -> Doom 2016 -> Doom Eternal

[chrome dagger]

by romero yes

Final Doom in General is TnT/Plutonia and master levels

[vale gyro]

There’s zero support evidence that even Final Doom could be canon, let alone Sigil

[warm prism]

and No Rest for the Living?

and Legacy of Rust?

[warm prism]

im pretty sure Master Levels arent canon

[chrome dagger]

i put there extra contents

[warm prism]

i mean as far as i know the plot is literally "Doom Guy forgot to kill a Cyberdemon

so maybe it is

[chrome dagger]

i will see here

[warm prism]

which imo its the second best Cyberdemon encounter, only behind 2016's

mind you im still at TNT

[gentle compass]

It is quite hard to audio balance in any sort of production I've had to do with classic doom, so you're definitely right! I like to replace it with the Doom 3 plasma sound to be honest, it's cozy

[vale gyro]

I usually don't replace it, honestly

[gentle compass]

Fair, it's all personal taste

[chrome dagger]

what i see here and remember , TnT/Plutonia master levels is Doom's Guy defeat the gatekeeper's

[halcyon willow]

SPROINK

[tropic zenith]

Ploi

[pale cloud]

i like how when you get the bfg it says "picked up the BFG9000. oh yeah"

[cloud talon]

I dont think anything really contradicts final doom

[hoary flare]

[vale gyro]

LoR to me has no place

Nothing points to it even following what already existed

Sigil doesn’t really do much to solidify itself to even follow from E4

[thorn jungle]

does this channel have slow mode a minute too

nope, good, nobody's talking about TDA here anyways

[woven swallow]

yo frostbite

where the hell have you been?

it's been 84 years snice you and i have talked to eachother

i thought you died

[thorn jungle]

i don't know... where have you been?

internet had been dying constantly, spanning days... then i went to camp for 3 days, and back home, where internet still periodically flickers

[twin mortar]

It'd be far more than this, I forgot Unity has 6 not 5 difficulties

[soft crown]

That's at least 7000 years then, I bet if we got 16 of us we could cut it down to 5000

World's biggest coop run?

[mortal silo]

Wut? There are only 3 difficulty placements. The three middle difficulties.
The lowest and highests difficulties just double weapon/ammo pickups. Nightmare also gets respawns.

The only difference between I'm too young to die & Hey not too rough is the former doubles bullet/shell/health pickups.
Enemy and item placements will remain the same.

[tropic zenith]

Oh damn yeah, I forgot all this time that only source ports support placement flags for more than 3 difficulties

[twin mortar]

I never said difficulty placements; I said difficulties

[mortal silo]

When you design maps, there are only 3 difficulties.

[tropic zenith]

Zdoom supports placements for custom difficulties

[verbal pawn]

Doom 1+2 remastered is unplayable with coop multiplayer mods seeing its laggy/buggy and the demons are somehow invisible to kill.

[twin mortar]

I never even once alluded to that. I have been talking about the difficulties YOU as the player get to choose from

[stuck echo]

jesus christ the pit is a terribly designed level

thought i'd play some doom 2 before TDA drops, but this level killed my fun

i got enough, one day I'll get back on the horse

[thorn jungle]

definitely

it has way too many pain elementals

and the map design is horrendous

[vapid steeple]

Doom remastered is unplayable with coop multiplayer mods seeing its laggy/buggy and the demons are somehow invisible to kill.

[median cloud]

Just beat The Chasm on uv-fast and I can't lie that map was a lot harder than I expected it to be

[tropic zenith]

I used to think I was just having a skill issue but I'm glad other people are as annoyed at Pain Elementals as I am lol

[thorn jungle]

yeah, we all, as a society, hate pain elementals, stay strong dawg ✊

[tropic zenith]

Good thing they get stunlocked pretty easy though so the chaingun is honestly best for them if you can start shooting before they get a lost soul on you

Enemies like them and the Arch-Vile I genuinely save the plasma rifle for if I can

I know the pit is really early though

[thorn jungle]

i mainly use the ssg against pain elementals, and when they're dead, i chaingun all the remaining lost souls

chaingunning pain elementals is wasteful of bullets, because you can consistently drop them with the ssg in 3-4 shots

[median cloud]

With pain elementals u just gotta try and get into melee range with them so they cant spawn lost souls. Then if you can position yourself so they also act as a meatshield you're golden

[finite crag]

They can't spawn lost souls in melee range?

[tropic zenith]

I'm thinking that's more of a testament to the fact the SSG is objectively broken and shoots 3 shells worth of pellets while only expending 2

To be fair though, a "balanced" SSG feels very meh

[thorn jungle]

it's difficult to imagine an ssg only firing 14 pellets instead of 20

[tropic zenith]

I've done it in zdoom and it's pretty underwhelming, leaving it behind the damage output of the regular shotty since that reloads faster

I get the feeling they experimented some with the SSG early on before deciding how it should work and how they should challenge players using it

20 pellets feels like a specific choice

Especially as it's the only gun in the og games with vertical spread

It's funny they did that as this allows pellets to miss vertically from a medium range, whereas the regular shotgun is still goated for long distance because it can't miss vertically

I think the plasma rifle is still the best weapon behind the BFG

Too many times I've played the SSG lottery with the Arch-Vile and not stunned them, whereas the plasma rifle just melts them

PR stunlocks just about everything

[tropic zenith]

Army of Darkness Doom manages to get away with a burst shot of two SG blasts since its reloads even faster than Doom 2's SSG, if I recall correctly

For a mod from the late 90s that one is oddly really really good

[thorn jungle]

additionally, a single pellet is guaranteed to travel down your line of sight/crosshair

wait, did i word that correctly?

[tropic zenith]

Ye

It's extremely rare for it to miss but you have to be super far away, aiming exactly at your target like you're some kind of computer, and the planets align

[open stratus]

I just killed the caco in E2M1 via portal

[thorn jungle]

awesome

telefrags are so satisfying if they weren't what the mapmaker planned at all, and happen by accident

[tropic zenith]

They're there intentionally so that actors don't get stuck inside each other and softlock the player

I don't think they were leveraged intentionally in official level design until Thy Flesh Consumed I think

[median cloud]

They cannot

[azure nimbus]

the ssg is not overpowered at all. It does damage slower than the rocket launcher and plasma and requires closer range

[azure nimbus]

I don't think this is true

if you could find where in the code that happens, sure. But my understanding is that it runs the same rng on each pellet

[azure nimbus]

Lost souls get telefragged if spawning in on mobs. So yeah

[finite crag]

Thank you thank you y'all

and mmjp

I'll think of this. Guess next time I'll just run into pain elemental and stars SSG'ing

[tropic zenith]

Shells are extremely plentiful, it won't cause self damage, and again uses only 2 shells despite firing the same amount of pellets that the regular shotgun would fire with 3 shots, this is not a topic of debate

The SSG is inherently overpowered enough that people often avoid giving it too early because that just makes all custom maps an SSG fest

[finite crag]

Telefrag is the strongest element in the universe, it can even kill eldritch outer gods

[azure nimbus]

I get that it's stronger than the shotgun. But being better than another weapon an overpowered weapon does not make

[tropic zenith]

Let me guess, you put an SSG in the first room of your custom maps

[azure nimbus]

It can be appropriate depending on the monsters and ammo present

If it's a relatively smaller map with weaker enemies, especially grouped shotgunners, yeah it's too strong. It depends. But, the ssg is fairly middle of the road. It's only slightly stronger the the chaingun with worse stun and range

[delicate stone]

Is this an official server?

[finite crag]

nah i dont think it is

[delicate stone]

How can I get a frame like yours?

[finite crag]

https://discord.com/quests/1362097608524435697

[delicate stone]

shit

😭

LGBT SHIT ----->

[finite crag]

🙄

[solar yew]

This might be a weird take but…

Am I the only one who would’ve preferred a separate button for the super shotgun instead of having to press the shotgun key twice?

[azure nimbus]

on boom and above, you can do that

[karmic sinew]

I dont blame you tbh, the normal shotgun has its own uses even when you have the super and its not convenient having to press twice and wait longer when its needed

[azure nimbus]

You have to put the 3 as a higher weapon priority than 9 though within the weap settings

[karmic sinew]

I have half the arsenal bound to mouse buttons bc frankly I prefer not using the number keys for anything

[azure nimbus]

Nothing to do with the number keys. The keybinds you pick don't matter. What I mean is the weapon priority list which is an option in the dsda settings.

[karmic sinew]

sorry I was mostly just continuing what I was saying before, wasnt really a response to what you said

not to sound rude

[tropic zenith]

This depends on the source port too

[wide sinew]

When are we gonna get a new featured add-on for Doom + Doom II? I was hoping we would get one in celebration of Doom: The Dark Ages' release, but no dice.

[gentle compass]

It's possible they'll rotate every so often, I don't think there's any particular timeline

[compact pawn]

I love how the game confuses you in ways that makes exploration more fun or replayable. Few games do that these days. I only saw it in Dead rising and gta 5 at latest.

I do wish there were less areas you could camp

[safe token]

What doom 2 mappack should I play?

[hexed escarp]

Eviternity

[unreal pike]

anyone know this? hackaday.com/tag/does-it-run-doom/

[sharp wyvern]

I hope they add Eviternity

[unreal pike]

what is Eviternity?

[median cloud]

Custom mappack

[woven swallow]

sunlust
Ozonia
Eviternity 1 and 2
Lost Civilization
Heartland (need the enternity engine)
Acient aliens
Antaresian reliqaury
struggle: antaresian legacy
Doom zero
Entropy
hardfest
Scythe 1 and 2
Not even remotely fair
Avactor
Austrian Avian Association
Alien venddetta
Speed of doom
fractured worlds
violet shift
Capybara
Boomer; Beyond vanilla
going down
Hydrosphere

[hexed escarp]

an absolutely incredible custom mappack for doom 2

[tropic zenith]

Hell Revealed (the first one) is really fun and has RoTT music

[oblique plaza]

DBP52: Havoc in Creation 2022 (stunning hell maps, the best palette)
Speed of Doom 2010 (top combat, tough hordes, lotsa mancubi)
Valiant: Vaccinated Edition 2015 (can use monster/gun mods via ZDL launcher by playing this version)
Scorching Earth 2024 (similar visuals to Hellbound 2013 w/ better gameplay, some backtracking tho)
Necromantic Thirst 2024 (great megawad+monster reskins, fps drops in maps15+16+22+25-30 tho)
Shallow World 2022 (ez)
Irkalla 2022 (great details, top lighting, grey castles in red hell, great colors)
Hellbound 2013 (top lighting, iffy gameplay tho)
Vanguard 2011 (second half of the mapset looks like Valiant 2015)
Hell's Farthest Shore 2021 (D1)
Red Sector 2023 (3 cramped maps, great monster reskins - from MEDB I think?)
Semper Fidelis 2024 (3 detailed maps, doomcute train)
Sunset Irreligion 2024 (detailed shadows of window frames, new palette)
Nova II: New Dawn 2015 (map29, must delete some monsters to run in GZDoom)
Miasma 2016 (must delete some monsters to run in GZDoom)
Disjunction 2017 (maps 04-10 especially)
Don't Turn Your Back On The City 2021 (detailed single wooden map)
Skulltiverse 2021 (detailed maps 01+31+32)
Micro-Slaughter Community Project 2021 (map 06 especially)
Mindprison Project 2021 (map18 and zombieman pistol sound)
Azazel's Second Descent 2022 (overgrown/jungle caves, maps 01-05)
Occula 2022 (must delete some monsters to run in GZDoom)
Abandon 2023 (slaughter, maps 01+02, some fps drops later on)
Who Is Who 2025 (small detailed maps 01+03)

• other small detailed maps by https://doomwiki.org/wiki/MAN_WITH_GUN minus the PU55 ones
  Gossip 2025 (must delete some monsters to run in GZDoom)

[tropic zenith]

I really did not enjoy Speed of Doom tbh, too much standing and holding the fire key on the bfg

[oblique plaza]

play w/ other guns then

[tropic zenith]

A lot of these that require map editing to run in gzdoom sound like they were designed for a different source port

[oblique plaza]

yes

I play GZ only tho

so I edit them to my liking

[tropic zenith]

When they give you fifty big cell packs and hardly no other ammo there isn't much of a choice, especially in that last level where they trap you inside a small cage and make you fight monsters

I only played it once though

[oblique plaza]

mods w/ other weapons

VOYAGE mod for gore+ OBLITERATOR for guns

[tropic zenith]

Russian Overkill and Brutal Doom aren't balanced

[oblique plaza]

VOYAGE + OBLITERATOR edited to run together

last thing I want to see on my screen is anything ruSSian

VOYAGE+ OBLITERATOR are better than Brutal

[tropic zenith]

Custom mappers have this weird mindset that they can make a crap slaughtermap filled to the brim with revenants and hellknights and claim that others just don't "get" slaughtermaps if they don't think it's fun, then recommend weapon mods that entirely trivialize the game when pressed about the balancing of their maps

[oblique plaza]

can not imagine playing slaughter w/ out OBLITERATOR guns

[tropic zenith]

It's wild to me when joke weapon mods like Zharkov Goes to the Store are more balanced than weapon resource wads, when the former is about playing as a mentally disabled man who can throw his arms off

[tropic zenith]

I'll seriously have to try that mod now

I gotta say, as pivotal as people say Brutal Doom is for adding executions, modern Doom does the concept so much better

From my memory of playing a fairly old version of the mod, they just go on way too long and have no iframes

[halcyon willow]

No they don't

There are very few mapsets that don't work with gzdoom. Any maps that use vanilla hacks like miko portals won't work (because gzdoom 'fixes' the bug that allows these)

Most recent example is knee deep in kdizd

[tropic zenith]

Idk what his issues are then

[halcyon willow]

If you're talking about running maps that have custom elements with other gameplay mods, then yes this will often lead to file conflicts or broken stuff

[tropic zenith]

He should try playing without Brutal Doom for once 💀

[twin mortar]

Anyone know why DOOM II Unity plays the DOOM I Unity credits sequence instead?

[atomic badger]

Anyone know of a good pack to download for doom wads? Just a crap ton of good classic doom wads?

I’m being driven nuts slowly downloading every single one I want

[atomic badger]

Really bugs me that Doom Unity doesnt have a Mac port

Or Linux port

[mortal silo]

You have Mac and Linux ports tho

[forest fjord]

why didnt bobby prince rip any riffs from cannibal corpse for the doom games

or any old school death metal for that matter

its all boring thrash metal

[atomic badger]

Wasnt popular at the time I assume

[atomic badger]

I can jsut use GZDoom obviously but I can't the wads I paid for

[vale gyro]

Unity quite literally has no unique content, besides some texture changes

KEX does have LoR, but that can be played in any MBF21-compat source port

[atomic badger]

It has the core files so I can play the game on my system

Thats all I care about

[vale gyro]

which includes GZDoom

[mortal silo]

Which wads do you not have?

[hexed escarp]

it does work on linux

you have to use proton, but it will let you install it

steam will actually let you install any game on linux and try to launch it with proton, it just might not work lol

i think you might have to enable proton experimental

[oblique plaza]

fps drops while using lotsa heavy mods

[tropic zenith]

In my experience, gore mods in general cause extremely poor performance and will cause crashing or extreme lag with other custom maps for gzdoom

[twin mortar]

And they just look eh tbh

[tropic zenith]

People often really overdo it yeah

A bunch of cloudy png graphics looks and runs worse at a large scale than a drippy blood sprite and a couple of gib chunks

[tropic zenith]

Gore mods also make it impossible to use the console command "kill monsters" because 99% of people won't give a clean xdeath state to monsters at massively negative HP values, so using that command just freezes your computer as gzdoom attempts to parse all the Decorate physics

Gore mods are so incredibly amateurish in general that the very concept usually turns me off

[amber blaze]

Ey, how do I use gzdoom to play multiplayer? I'd love to play co-op some day.

[tropic zenith]

I hear Zandronum is the form of GZDoom that supports connection to servers for multiplayer

I really don't know enough about it though myself because I haven't actually been modding for several years

I keep seeing people using zdaemon but I think that's still software-only zdoom?

What I know for certain is that Zandronum is the successor to SkullTag

[amber blaze]

Ooohhhh yeah I used to use Zandronum ages ago. Good source port.

[amber blaze]

Thanks!

[tranquil geyser]

Anyone know how to change the screen Chocolate Doom uses?

It's on my primary screen but I want it to be on another one because I want to use a filter and whatnot

nvm I went into the config and saw the variable for monitor

fuck now i have a new problem, i'm using a triple monitor setup and chocolate doom isn't accepting "3" as a valid monitor, will do 1 and 2 just fine, but not 3

[noble bone]

Are we allowed to talk about mods of g z doom

[vale gyro]

Modding is a major part of these games, so yes

[noble bone]

I need more people to know about shadow of the wool ball and rise of the wool ball also the original game he made called beyond the edge of Owlsguard

[vale gyro]

I don’t do GZDoom stuff so I’ll probably never play it

But I’ll pass it along to others that might like it, I suppose

[noble bone]

Beyond the edge of Owlsguard is on steam and its point and click I also recommend it during a sale but still it’s good

[vale gyro]

Oooh, a point and click?

[noble bone]

It also needs more love because it came out in 2022 and has the guy who voices Jax from tadc as a side character with only a few lines but still

[frigid leaf]

Can someone tell me all the secrets in e1m1

[finite crag]

I am playing Doom OG with the updated music.. its so good

on inferno map 4 and the track is fire

[azure nimbus]

all on doomwiki andin decino's walkthrough

[vast reef]

u can try port forwarding i think

if its a gzdoom-exclusive mod

[vast reef]

or bigmacdavis

[vast reef]

gzdoom is essentially just a janky all-purpose engine at this point isnt it lmao

theyve made platformers and shmups with this damn thing

[warm palm]

It was still a huge scene even back then

Hearing some possessed or death riffs in doom would have been awesome lol

[mighty sphinx]

ok, I should play doom classic , what difficulty?

[quiet warren]

Ultra Violence is the way to go imho

[mighty sphinx]

it is! MAN its so fun

[mighty sphinx]

nightmare difficulty is shit

respawning enemies are a pain in the ass

[vale gyro]

it was meant somewhat as a joke tbf

[mighty sphinx]

ye ill just restart on whatever it was

ultra violence or whatever

why cant I get all the items? should I just ignore this? im trying to get all secrets and kill all enemies

[amber blaze]

Now I'm just thinking of what a point and click doom would look like lol

[vale gyro]

some levels are impossible to truly 100%

but only like 2 or 3 iirc

[whole notch]

[mighty sphinx]

old doom is badass

[amber blaze]

Heeeellll yeaaahh

[open stratus]

there are few things in life as satisfying as chainsawing pinkys

also i've been playing on ultra violence, it's awesome

[amber blaze]

Ever play with classic controls?

I used to play that way with steam and it's honestly kinda cool getting used to it

[mighty sphinx]

finished episode 1

pretty fucking cool

[tropic zenith]

I do all the time 💀

[open stratus]

always do

[mighty sphinx]

hmmm game isnt so hard tbh, ultra violence is perfect

very hard to cheese enemies by peeking and shooting

[amber blaze]

Hell yeah. Fave way to do it!

[tropic zenith]

It really depends on the level design tbh

Occasionally you get a level that's just got brutal monster placement on uv

[mighty sphinx]

what ive noticed and maybe this isnt a fair comparison

but in classic doom I keep switching weapons all the time, in dark ages I just used the super shotgun 24/7

[tropic zenith]

I think that's largely because of the ways that the modern and old games give you ammo, there's a finite amount in the classic games so you have to choose what to use and what to save

The newer games usually give you every type of ammo in each instance that they grant ammo, which is when you kill demons under certain conditions

If you didn't always get every type of ammo in the new games, it would urge players to use specific weapons more than just making demons resistant to certain damage types, and limit them from using other weapons

[lost saffron]

Classic doom will forever be in my heart ❤️

Except nightmare mode..

[fervent coral]

If it’s arrow keys and mouse yes 💀

Also why in every official doom port does the hp logo change
Eternal it’s a pill
Mobile it’s green
I wonder if it’s blue In a port

[twin mortar]

It's because of how they can't use the red cross, so they swapped it out for a pill from 2006 onwards; replaced it with a green cross later on because they thought it looks better

[fervent coral]

Oh makes sense but why not just make a new Red Cross

[mighty sphinx]

hell yeah crackers I finished episode 2

onwards to episode 3 inferno!

btw there are tons of like expansions for doom 1 and 2, I have them all collected on the steam version

should I play them all or stick just to doom 1 and 2 and then doom 64

ah yes inferno opens up straight with a butthole on my face

oh nvm it was an eye

[proper tendon]

is Plutonia and Master levels even worth playing it nowadays

[azure nimbus]

plut for sure

[lost saffron]

Plutonia is the shit, I'd play it for sure

One of my fav WADs

Or megaWADs I guess

[sharp wyvern]

Green cross looks fine

[sharp wyvern]

The point is that they can’t use the symbol of a Red Cross in general

[fervent coral]

Depressing

But anyways the only way I didn’t see your logic is that I’m sleep deprived

And half brain dead rn

I want start quake mapping tbh

[granite rock]

Master Levels is ok, I thought Black Tower had a cool looking set piece but Plutonia is great

[sharp wyvern]

Plutonia is 100%

[mellow matrix]

Plutonia has a permanent spot on the yearly replay list

[eager mural]

I tried playing Doom Classic recently, but I don't know why, I felt a lil sick while playing it. Is this normal?
Like, I remember feeling something similar when I first played 2016, but I disappeared after I got used to the game.
Have you guys felt something similar?

[tropic zenith]

I like the green cross ironically because that's the same logo used to signify dispensaries here lol

[lunar rune]

Sick, like, motion sickness?

[eager mural]

Dizziness and headache

[lunar rune]

Have you ever had that checked out? Like in general

That sounds really strange especially for a game that should not be causing motion sickness

I'm not really informed on that though

[eager mural]

Maybe I should check it out

[quiet rose]

whenever i play bfg edition, im kinda caught off guard by the green crosses due to me being too used to the og ones

its better than having random pills on the medkit though

[tropic zenith]

It may be the odd framerate or you are coming down with something else

I know I'm getting the flu when I feel that way playing an fps

[eager mural]

Maybe

I felt it a lil seconds after I started the gameplay

It began with a discomfort, but later I was bad

[quiet rose]

was gonna say some shit about the ending to knee deep in the dead but i dont wanna accidentally spoil it to you

[tropic zenith]

He dead

[mellow matrix]

It doesn't happen that quickly for me but I do still get motion sickness if I play classic DooM for more than an hour or two, and I have hundreds upon hundreds of hours playing custom WADs. My guess is it's something to do with modern FPS numbers + pixel/sprite graphics confusing my brain a bit but I don't know for sure.

[gentle carbon]

Same, Me too!

[whole galleon]

Same, Me too!

[hot owl]

What in the hell 💀 that was like. 2ish years ago

[sharp wyvern]

discord mightve done that thing where it randomly opens a channel far back in the history

or at least it does that for me sometimes :P

[quiet rose]

i used to think that you weren’t supposed to die in the end of knee deep in the dead and got pissed off when you die at the end

[granite wing]

I played doom overboard for a summer classic doom game and my god i got swarmed on new game plus by demons.

[woven swallow]

hello

kenny here

[eager mural]

Probably, I'm just sad that I can't play it without feeling sick

[vale gyro]

Try capping your FPS at 35

Sounds weird, but may possibily work

[eager mural]

I'll try it

[mighty sphinx]

Finished Inferno it was actually the toughest of the bunch

[vale gyro]

... have fun with Thy Flesh Consumed!

I deeply suggest playing Doom 2 before playing it, though

Episode 4 came out after Doom 2 and is in turn, even harder than Doom 2 in some cases

[mighty sphinx]

hmmm

alright ill play doom 2

I did play on ultraviolence tho

[sharp wyvern]

E4M1 and E4M2 are harder sure but i feel like it's better to go to Doom 2 after TFC

either way works tho

[vale gyro]

nah, E4M2 is manageable

it's E4M1 and E4M6 that are bullshit

[sharp wyvern]

i suppose

still i'd play doom 2 after

[mighty sphinx]

alright ill play doom 2 after

[celest fractal]

E4M9 is the only Ultimate Doom level I've never played because heck if I am going back to do Hell Beneath and Perfect Hatred again to try to find the secret exit. ... maybe on ITYTD, lol

(I mean I could use idclev but eh)

[cosmic pagoda]

anyone have tips on how to learn to and practise SR50?

[celest fractal]

... I just came up with the best dumb Doom joke but it's too political for here.

[cosmic pagoda]

tbf the secret exit is quite easy to get to on E4M2

altho im biased, I recently went through the bullshit of getting to the secret exit in PL2

took me many tries to nail that vile jump

[cosmic pagoda]

oh hey you are now... different color!

[vale gyro]

yeah, I boosted the server a while back

[vale gyro]

I genuinely don't do the secret levels all too often

usually I play them with IDCLEV or IDWARP and try to do the secret exit if I can

[cosmic pagoda]

nice!

[cosmic pagoda]

I always skip em on doom2 and never skip em on plutonia or tnt

doom 2 secret levels are a nice gimmick but once you played em once, it wears off

go 2 it however is a must-play

that one is fine going into with idclev too tho, pistol start doesnt really matter since you get all weapons at the start

[vale gyro]

I still need to finish Plutonia lmao

[cosmic pagoda]

definitely do, its fun and imo the best iwad

if intimidated put on HMP or something

but its not really that bad, save often, the encounters arent that bad if you know what to expect

[amber blaze]

Anyone here try doom the mercenaries? It's so fun lmao

RE4 Mercenaries in doom

[full fjord]

E3M2 is called the Slough of Despair for a damn good reason

Anyone got any tips for someone at 45% health, no armour, and 9 shotgun shells

I wish my tablet had charge so I could watch Decino and shut my brain off

That usually works

Oh wow

That was surprisingly short for how much it was kicking my ass

Skill issue, isn't it?

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/jdKCHleQ07A

[cosmic pagoda]

ohh thanks

[cosmic pagoda]

what difficulty

its not that bad honestly, gotta just watch the ammo

was quite painful trying to complete it with NM100S tho

if you are too low on everything just start it over, you arent losing much that early

[cosmic pagoda]

managed to get it in the end tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qwrI780N9E

[woven swallow]

press 4 buttons at the same time, done

sr50 in a nutshell

[cosmic pagoda]

I need to map them to something convenient

[vale gyro]

I got another tip myself: Use DSDA-Doom

Or just any port with a command list... or whatever it's called

[cosmic pagoda]

dsda is a goated port

[vale gyro]

hold on, tryna find what it's called, I genuinely forgot

[cosmic pagoda]

theres this I recommend too if you use dsda btw
https://github.com/Pedro-Beirao/dsda-launcher/releases

[vale gyro]

Command Display. It's command display.

[cosmic pagoda]

what does that do

[vale gyro]

I use a fork of it called Nyan, but I use my own custom launcher

[vale gyro]

It shows basically every input your doing. It will tell you if you're SR40'ing or SR50'ing

[cosmic pagoda]

oh neat

[vale gyro]

DSDA-Launcher just has too much stuff going on

plus the fact I use other ports, so using just DSDA-Launcher is kinda pointless

[cosmic pagoda]

I like that you can save settings for different things

like when I try nightmare I have demos enabled etc

but then I wanna swap quickly to playing say plutonia, so I load plutonia settings which comes with the music wad

[vale gyro]

yeah, I basically just use presets instead

which for what I do, is sufficient

[cosmic pagoda]

I do have a bat file to convert demos into video tho 😛

[vale gyro]

that reminds me

I gotta update the version of DSDA-Doom I use for viddumping

[cosmic pagoda]

"F:\OneDrive\_DOOM\dsda\dsda-doom.exe" -iwad "F:/OneDrive/_DOOM/dsda/DOOM.WAD" -hud "F:\OneDrive\_DOOM\dsda\HUD.lmp" -geom 1920x1440w -timedemo "F:/OneDrive/_DOOM/demos/E3M3-NM100S-2m41s" -viddump "F:/OneDrive/_VIDEO/DOOM/E3M3-NM100S-2m41s.mkv" ```

have to edit a bit each time tho

[vale gyro]

I do not like the inconsistent slashes lmao

[cosmic pagoda]

ohh lol just noticed

yeah probably leftover from copying one of these

[vale gyro]

why not just automate the script?

[cosmic pagoda]

I should tbh

[vale gyro]

like, hold on

you'll have to use -record over -timedemo to do it

but you could minimize the editing down to a single line

or you could run -timedemo separately and use something similar to my setup

::Paramaters
set iwad="DOOM"
set complevel=3
set exhud="../WADs/vanillaHud.wad"

dsda-doom.exe -complevel %complevel% -timedemo %1 -viddump ../%~n1.mp4 -iwad %iwad%.wad ^
-file %exhud%

I'd rename exhud to just files, though

or just append the files you do need to the end of -file

[cosmic pagoda]

neat

i'll mess around with it once I need to do another one of these, I only really do it for my nightmare attempts

hold on

I could very easily cross another one off my list

E2M8 is probably easier on nightmare than on UV

[azure nimbus]

e4m9 is such a deathmatch map with rando monsters

[cosmic pagoda]

has anyone completed tnt map28 on solonet btw

I tried once and couldnt get past the start

those archies never failed to zap me dead

[full fjord]

Eh, despite 9 shells being my only ammo and 45% health with no armour, I still made it

[cosmic pagoda]

gj

you get berserk that map too, so ammo isnt that critical

[lunar rune]

Yes, I have with minimal saves and many other people have without saving as well

UV-Max is impossible

[cosmic pagoda]

oh nice

[celest fractal]

impossible how? Monsters spawned out of bounds and stuff like that?

https://youtu.be/ZM4QsSo-Ru4?si=DIrXyULO0FSmygiv

[finite crag]

now with fast monster

s

[vale gyro]

Nah.
Fast respawning monsters, Tyson, UV-Max, Solo-Net

[finite crag]

real

[celest fractal]

nightmare pacifist solonet 100s

also using the bug that makes pinkies instant

[mighty sphinx]

Bruh

thy flesh consumed episode 2 is fucking impossible

[vale gyro]

It's not, actually

[mighty sphinx]

not episode 2

[vale gyro]

Also, if you think that's bad

[mighty sphinx]

sorry, I meant e4m2

[vale gyro]

well uhh, E4M6 is much worse

[mighty sphinx]

is it? thank god for quicksaves

[vale gyro]

E4M2, not E1M2

[mighty sphinx]

YEAH!

[vale gyro]

once you get the route for E4M2, it's fine

E4M6 is always just a pain

[celest fractal]

Against Thee Wickedly is confusing but it's not as brutally difficult as Perfect Hatred

I can see how once you optimize the heck out of them that might change but for a casual player who at most vaguely remembers parts of the layout?

[vale gyro]

I seriously have 20x less the trouble on E4M2 than I do M6

[mighty sphinx]

e4m2 is hard because the terrain is so fucked

and the game spawns fucking huge green shooting demons like they are candy

[vale gyro]

How about those guys, but with more health and a chaingun?

Yeah, that's Doom 2 Chaingunners for ya.

Just end them as soon as you see them lmao

[mighty sphinx]

with what ammo

anyway I managed to cheese the cyberdemon lol

[vale gyro]

Yeah. You can just telefrag him for a free BFG.

[mighty sphinx]

I didnt even do that

I just shot rockets at him at an angle where he couldnt shoot me

[vale gyro]

Rockets kinda suck against the cyber and spider mastermind

they both have splash damage immunity

[mighty sphinx]

I didnt have anything else

[vale gyro]

fair enough, then

[mighty sphinx]

plasma weapons are more succesful I guess

unlike in dark ages where it sucks ass

[vale gyro]

just telling you if you have the choice, use a plasma rifle, BFG, or the SSG (in Doom 2)

[mighty sphinx]

its so weird to go from the newest doom release back to the first one xD

[mighty sphinx]

so ep4m3 is also a pain in the ass

lets cram as many enemies as possible xd

[celest fractal]

chaingunners do not have more health than a baron.

[vale gyro]

Barons aren't green

literally the only green enemy in Doom 1 and UDoom is the zombieman

[celest fractal]

none of the monsters are. so it has to be green-shooting, and knights aren't in udoom

[vale gyro]

and that's pushing it

[vale gyro]

Oh yeah, fair point

My bad

I just can't read for shit lmao

[wanton cave]

Do the console versions of the doom 1 and 2 ports support keyboard and mouse?

[celest fractal]

The newest one, I believe so yes. The classic ones, no, you can't use a keyboard and mouse on the Sega 32x

and if you are playing on a 3do I think that's evidence you need serious help

[tropic zenith]

The 3do remixed music is cool

[mighty sphinx]

DUDe

m4e6 is a fucking maze

I mean not a maze

but wtf am I supposed to do xd

[sharp wyvern]

true
sucks that the guy who made it is awful

[mighty sphinx]

finished e4m6 thank god for quick loads

without them it would have been impossible

[mighty sphinx]

YES

I finished DOOM heheheheh badass game, poor daisy 😭

[lament jasper]

Nice

[opal heath]

https://tenor.com/view/monday-isit5yet-lol-bunny-gif-5292379

[mighty sphinx]

Ok after playing doom 2 I gotta say

its much better than doom 1

[vale gyro]

jfc how quickly are you playing through these games

[mighty sphinx]

oh I have 18 hours on steam already

the supershotgun is the best weapon

it was in doom dark ages and it is here all the way back in doom 2

also the levels are nowhere near as frustrating to traverse as doom 1 and they are more cohesive imo

more clever in enemy placement

that level where all the mancubus spawn gave me a heart attack xD

lvl 7 I think

[hollow tree]

Yup dead simple

[finite crag]

bnuuy…….

[tropic zenith]

"Doom 1 isn't scary"

Rabbits: "WRONGGGG"

[prisma linden]

Lol, when I first played it my jaw literally dropped as Doom Guy took a rocket to the face

[celest fractal]

ah, the great all-american passtime of punching nazis. And coming out of the secret levels with full health, armor, and ammo as a reward.

seriously map32: grosse feels straight up designed to encourage you to go ham ojn them with the berserk pack

[sharp wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642730879852085281/1373955936250757130/image.png?ex=682c4bae&is=682afa2e&hm=1cbbe0f9c23b51db82a212e45cdec7a228e04311b6da3d506446bb80605000b0&

Damn I didn't catch onto some of these
Legacy of Rust really is goated

[mighty sphinx]

is wolfenstein 3d worth playing?

its most likely worse than doom

but it could still be fun

[sharp wyvern]

yes it's still fun

[mighty sphinx]

the controls are fucking shit

I cant strafe with a and d

only by keeping alt pressed

[vale gyro]

To be fair, it’s the same thing for Doom by default

You could just use a source port like ECWolf, though

[mighty sphinx]

do you play doom like that?

[median cloud]

Default doom controls were with ctrl alt arrowkeys iirc

I used to play Doom that way atleast

[mighty sphinx]

game is too archaic to enjoy

levels are just too massive and same looking

[median cloud]

Meh I can enjoy it but I know it isn't exactly good

[mighty sphinx]

I'll continue on with doom 2

[mighty sphinx]

ok doom 2 has gotten really hard

level 10 is filled with enemies and I have no ammo

[twin mortar]

The X360/PS3 version 100% is

[mighty sphinx]

too bad I dont have either

anyway I finished the first 11 levels of doom 2

its much better than the original imo soooo many enemies to kill

[median cloud]

I prefer it as well

Doom 2 has the same reputation as Doom Eternal. Loud minority doesn't like it but most like the expansion

[tepid pine]

anyone mind helping me booting myhouse.pk3 with gzdoom

having a problem with:
newest version not opening it through dragging the file into gzdoom.exe
4.8.0 displaying an error: Script error, "myhouse.pk3:decorate" line 614: "INVISIBLEINMIRRORS" is an unknown flag (with all rendering engines, brightlights on/off etc)
and booting up .wav version only displayed the menu screen and booted up regular doom 1 levels
i own the doom + doom II pack on steam if that matters

[woven swallow]

download the fix version of myhouse.pk3

i'll send you a link

hold on

[tepid pine]

nvm got it to work

had to get gzdoom 4.13

[tropic zenith]

"You can make ANYTHING in doom!"
Mod: requires a build version of gzdoom from the future

Idk man sometimes these mods seem a little like they depended too much on hassling Graf into adding a feature

[mighty sphinx]

Yeah doom 2 is doom 1 on crack

ive reached lvl 15

its fucking massive, very impressive what they tried to do back in 95

this the same philosophy they went with when they made eternal?

[tropic zenith]

Sort of, Eternal is a little like a Doom II to Doom 2016, but it also did a lot of work to establish Sentinel locations, so it has a unique kind of landscape across its maps compared to other dooms

Generally it appears more open but a lot of that is set dressing whereas i feel that the arena based combat feels more like fighting demons in a DM map designed to allow a wave-based invasion mode

Doom 1, II, 64, and 2016 all still more or less focused on fighting demons along the way during exploration, but 2016 also seems inspired by Doom 3 choosing to lock players in to areas sometimes to fight a larger battle, which has essentially become the norm for the franchise now

[mighty sphinx]

what are some modern boomer shooters that you guys recommend

[twilit ledge]

ultrakill is REALLY fun!!

[woven swallow]

Dusk, Ultrakill, Ion fury, Shadow warrior 3, Doom eternal, Wizodrum, Cultic, hrot and prodeus

[mighty sphinx]

loool therees wolfenstein in doom 2

I found the secret level xd

[vale gyro]

You do not want to use an older version of GZDoom for security reasons. Please use the patched version of MyHouse.

[tropic zenith]

What

I haven't been modding for several years so I have not heard of anything that happened regarding gzdoom since maybe 2019

Even then I was using an old version for the time because I did not require any super fancy features for what I was making

[vale gyro]

There was a security exploit relating to ZScript within older versions

[tropic zenith]

Damn

Surely the community blamed Terry for it yet again

[vale gyro]

https://github.com/advisories/GHSA-8hvg-x32p-2j7j

[tropic zenith]

I think the version of gzdoom I'm using doesn't have zscript support

All I care about is decorate and acs

[vale gyro]

It would 100% have ZScript support if it’s GZDoom

[tropic zenith]

But it's good to know to update when I'm back into it

[tropic zenith]

In 2018/19?

[vale gyro]

It was initially added in ZDoom

So yes, it would

[tropic zenith]

Is zscript one of the hundred of failed attempts to replace decorate?

[vale gyro]

Oh wait, I’m wrong. It was never added to an official release to ZDoom.

[vale gyro]

It’s actually the main successful one

As it’s much more powerful

[muted schooner]

do have doom 64 have maps ?

[vale gyro]

Officially, Decorate is deprecated

[tropic zenith]

I remember getting banned from the zdoom forums when I was a teen for being too vocally unhappy that they were talking about DoomScript replacing Decorate, in 2008 I think

I guess CutManMike and Graf Zahl are having the last laugh rn

[stone scarab]

Is there an ide for zscript? Or do you notepad it?

[vale gyro]

ZScript, as of recent, fully replaced Decorate

[vale gyro]

Probably not. You could use VS Code, though.

[tropic zenith]

Imma still use Decorate for what I do since it's useful enough

And I'm familiar with it

[stone scarab]

Yeah but does it show errors, etc like it would with actual code?

[tropic zenith]

If I run up into something I truly cannot make in decorate and feel too bad about not including, I'll consider zscript, but I don't know enough to tell whether I will actually run up into that situation granted that I want to make somewhat classic style content mostly

[vale gyro]

You’d have to ask someone who actually works with that stuff

I basically only work in vanilla, Boom, and MBF whenever I actually do anything

I’m not a huge fan of GZDoom anyways

[stone scarab]

So what is zscript. They basically re wrote all the game C code into a scripting language?

[tropic zenith]

Custom behavior modding language I assume

Idk really though

[stone scarab]

I get that. I know what is it for

[tropic zenith]

The behavior of actors

[stone scarab]

I asked if they moved the entire logic of the game code from the actual C code

[tropic zenith]

As far as I know, the exe is still compiled

[tepid pine]

oh fantastic
what if the newest version of gzdoom does not infact read pk3 files nor wads lol

[vale gyro]

It does lmao

[tropic zenith]

GZDoom used decorate originally in order to define statistics about objects in the game and their behavior, with action codepointers that the exe interprets and makes happen during gameplay

[tepid pine]

it simply shows the launcher and opens regular doom 2 or any version i select

no matter what i do

[vale gyro]

Yeah, I just suggest using a launcher like ZDL to interact with GZ tbh

That’ll limit user error that’s probably causing your issue

[tropic zenith]

Does dragging and dropping files onto gzdoom not work anymore?

[tepid pine]

Right.

[vale gyro]

It probably does, but it’s buggy at best anyways

Doesn’t matter the port

[tepid pine]

no form of it worked for me whatsoever personally

[vale gyro]

It just sucks to drag/drop files because you can’t determine load order

[tropic zenith]

I'm so used to running gzdoom from doombuilder while working on maps lately anyway

[vale gyro]

You could try a batch file instead

[tepid pine]

lzd works fine

[vale gyro]

Good. You’ll want to use that instead anyways.

Oh wait, you edited it

LZD might just be missing features that will break mods, just an FYI

[tepid pine]

hm fair

[vale gyro]

Yeah, it hasn’t been updated in over a year

[tepid pine]

im only planning on playing myhouse, familiar with it enough to lmk if its gonna break at any point?

[vale gyro]

Wait, I’m wrong. The source folder’s been recently updated

Thanks for lying, GitHub mobile website.

[vale gyro]

There’s always a chance later versions outright break it

GZDoom’s overall less stable in terms of stuff staying working than other ports just due to its nature

And that in turn also carries over to LZDoom

But yeah, I do deeply recommend using ZDL or another launcher if you aren’t already

It will make your life easier in the long run

[tropic zenith]

Tf is LZDoom 💀

[vale gyro]

Lighter running version of GZ

[tropic zenith]

I assume it does a lot of things more smartly than just turning off gl

I'm interested

[vale gyro]

I jokingly like to call it the Debian of Doom source ports lol

[vale gyro]

It still has OpenGL

Just uses an older version of it

[tropic zenith]

Based

[vale gyro]

OpenGL 2 instead of OpenGL 3

[tropic zenith]

Maybe I can finally have an open world mini NYC with streetlamps now without incredible slowdown

[vale gyro]

You could also maybe try it in DSDA-Doom’s UDMF, depending how complex the map you need is

[oblique nymph]

I dont really like asking this because of my pride as a trophy hunter could someone using the ps5 game share carry me through the doom 1 and 2 co op nightmare trophies

I dont like asking to get carried through trophies but im kinda ass at classic doom and i need a second player anyways

[tropic zenith]

The mod is extensively GZDoom in structure and nature, if that makes sense

It is slightly a different game

[vale gyro]

Ah, nvm then

[mighty sphinx]

ok doom 2 is harder than doom 1

im on lvl 17

how much longer is this, if this continues to ramp up in difficutly im fucked

[vale gyro]

32 maps total, including secret maps

But yeah, you really only got 13 levels left

[oblique nymph]

Im gonna guess thats a no

[tropic zenith]

It will get harder

[vale gyro]

I’ll bump it every one of a while

[oblique nymph]

Well let me know

[mighty sphinx]

13 levels left, ill finish them tonight

[tropic zenith]

Map28 and 29 are about where it gets hardest, map30 is slightly easier especially if you get it done quickly

[fervent coral]

chat is it wild that i mainly play the moblie port of doom 1 and 2 (i dont have much free time so i play a couple lvls in that like 10 min downtime of a day )

[fervent coral]

i have 13 as well wild

only in doom 1 tho (iv already beat it im just beating it on moblie)

[lilac solar]

i cant stand the rocket launcher in the classic doom games. ill be directly looking at a demon and itll shoot at the floor and take half hp :/

and the delayed fire of it messes me up. like the whole gameplay loop is shoot, hide from projectile, shoot.

and oh my god even if im relatively far away the area of effect damage still hits me, and it doesnt help how half the levesls are in enclosed spaces

why does no one else complain about the rocket launcher? it also shoots so slowly

[finite crag]

Eternal rocket launcher shoots even slower

[lilac solar]

eternal is a more open game than the classics

[lilac solar]

if you miss your target atleast you may hit the demon behind it

[vale gyro]

because it works

[lilac solar]

hardly

[vale gyro]

good AOE, good damage

you just need to learn how to actually use it, like every other weapon in the game

[lilac solar]

:/ why do i even try with discord servers

[finite crag]

its the same for the classic rocket launcher 😦

[vale gyro]

for this, it's just due to autoaim works

[lilac solar]

half of the time it's not even me, the auto lock on will target a different demon and itll hit the floor sometimes

[vale gyro]

if you're on PC, you could always use a port with freelook

that'll mean you don't gotta deal with auto aim

[lilac solar]

every other weapon doesnt have so much delay as the rocket launcher

[vale gyro]

BFG:

[lilac solar]

the bfg cant kill you, unlike the rocket laucher that takes half your health

[vale gyro]

the BFG could actually very easily kill you if you screw up

as you need to be close to the target for it to be effective

[lilac solar]

huh? does it really do self damage

[vale gyro]

and the long delay before it actually fires could mean life or death

[finite crag]

damn

[vale gyro]

you could screw up and get hit with a rocket, or just a high damaging projectile in general

[lilac solar]

does it do self damage

[vale gyro]

the BFG by itself won't kill you, but using it at the wrong time 100% will

[vale gyro]

No, it won't

[lilac solar]

thats completely different man

[vale gyro]

However, it doesn't do the one thing the rocket launcher is good at: long-range area damage

the BFG works almost exactly like a shotgun

[finite crag]

Classic Doom should play like Eternal

[vale gyro]

so it works best at close range

[lilac solar]

that is not my point in the goddamn slightest what is wrong with people

[vale gyro]

the rocket launcher is best used mid-long

[vale gyro]

that's not even their point lol

they have a fair complaint, I won't lie

[finite crag]

A rocket launcher dealing self damage?

[lilac solar]

no way you're a real person...

[vale gyro]

for as much as I love these games, autoaim locking on to an enemy below or to the side where a wall is has killed me an embarrassing amount of times

[vale gyro]

No. Their complaint is quite literally the delay and autoaim being a bitch (which well, it is)

[lilac solar]

it should do self damage, and it SHOULD be risky

[finite crag]

how can you complain about that but no the dumb block map collision bug?

[finite crag]

And thats what it does

[lilac solar]

it's just that the auto aim is unreliable and the game isnt always fair

[vale gyro]

because it doesn't happen as often in normal gameplay and is much less annoying unless it's the SSG

[lilac solar]

imma block you i cant deal with illiterate people

[vale gyro]

but yeah, if you're on PC and just want a vanilla-feeling port with freelook, look at DSDA-Doom or Nyan Doom (if you want less or more casual)

if you don't care about it feeling like vanilla and having access to a ton of mods, GZDoom

[lilac solar]

yeah

[finite crag]

chainsaw becomes useless

[vale gyro]

I've genuinely never had a time where the chainsaw has outright failed me when it comes to the blockmap bug

[finite crag]

And bfg tracers miss

[vale gyro]

with how fast it attacks, it usually requires a very small adjustment to fix

[finite crag]

rarely can you one shot a spider mastermind😪

[sharp wyvern]

cringe

[vale gyro]

They exist for a reason

I don't personally use it, but others do

[sharp wyvern]

i know i know im /j im /j :P

i do enjoy not having freelook though

[median cloud]

Never seen someone hate on the rl before lol

Always thought dooms weaponry was fine

[sharp wyvern]

rocket launcher the goat fr

[mighty sphinx]

I use the rocket launcher in open spaces at ranged groups of enemies

No point in using it in any other circumstance

It's good at taking out groups of powerful enemies at a distance

[vale gyro]

it's a really good crowd control weapon, actually

[mighty sphinx]

The chaingun I found to be good at that, it stuns demons

[vale gyro]

if you know how to move, the damage is either negliable or non existant

[vale gyro]

Thing is that it kills too slow

The RL is much better to get rid of an overwhelming horde

[sharp wyvern]

doom 64 is where the chaingun shines

before that game it's just sort of there for smaller enemies

[mighty sphinx]

It melts soldiers

But other then that yeah I don't use it very often

SSG and plasma rifle with rocket launcher at very long range and that's how I play

BFG for tough situations

And that's basically it

Plasma rifle is so damn good here, in dark ages I barely touched it

[viscid rock]

Doooommmm

[azure nimbus]

I actually think it's good with different games are different.

[finite crag]

naaah DOOM Eternal is the perfect DOOM game #joke #mebeingsarcastic #jklollmao #plsdonttakeittooseriously

[violet lichen]

naa that's Eviternity 2

[azure nimbus]

that has no bearing. It's good to have diff things. If x is your fav, play x when you want x. Don't make y be x

[tropic zenith]

Some of the classic guns are a little stiff

[violet lichen]

I think it works to their favor since they’re all contextually powerful and imperfect. It’s not really all like Halo where the weapons are strong tactile and individual units. Using the wrong weapon at the wrong time is usually lethal in Classic Doom.

Aside from like the chainsaw which is just actually useless

And berserk can feel a bit unwieldy too those are the two cases that I think are kinda bad

[tropic zenith]

It's frustrating with poorly balanced slaughtermaps

[mighty sphinx]

Chainsaw is actually great in tight corridors against melee enemies

Especially lost souls

[tropic zenith]

I usually just adjust some things like make the pistol shoot a bit faster if you tap it so it's more useful, and the cooldown timer on the regular shotgun not quite as long so it's more useful against infrequent enemies in hallways

Just qol stuff like that

[violet lichen]

Tbf that tends to be the fault with the mappers

Slaughtermaps do need extra care in order to balance

And yeah I tend to be in favor of pistol buffs especially as I’ve gotten more in the habit of pistol starting

Especially on this Valiant replay

[woeful halo]

Hello

[young isle]

there will be nothing I hate more than those flying skulls

[celest fractal]

y'all might like this joke I made earlier
https://bsky.app/profile/keiya.tinyfairy.xyz/post/3lphdff6szc27

Keiya (@keiya.tinyfairy.xyz)

Why does E4M1 Hell Beneath have only 9 health bonuses? American (McGee) healthcare.

Bluesky · May 18, 2025, 3:04 PM

[leaden bay]

I just found out that there is new versions of classic doom ost made by andrew hulshult
I kinda dig the remixes

[median cloud]

imo some are too metal even though the original isn't

He did Map 18 well tho (Waiting for romero to play)

[leaden bay]

IDK if it's a hot take but I didn't liked the slower paced/calm music of some levels
It just doesn't fit doom IMO

[sharp wyvern]

if they were in the original 2 games though wouldn't that mean they fit doom by definition

[median cloud]

Nah thats a rather cold take I think most people agree with you there

I prefer the calmer songs but I know Im a minority there

[leaden bay]

IIRC classic doom meant to be like a horror/action game so that is the reason why the slower paced music is there
It is an artistic choice at that time but it doesn't mean it is fitting with the pace people play these games at
Some people like it, others don't. After doom 2016 and eternal, the slower paced musics does stick out like a sore thumb to me

[median cloud]

There's also the PS1 version of Doom who uses very atmospheric music and a lot of people would agree it's a nice soundtrack

I think a lot of OG Doom soundtrack has an arcade feel to it which I dig

Most of the maps I revisit are the ones with a more atmospheric ost over the rocking out ones

[celest fractal]

I like the variation tbh it keeps things fresh

[mighty sphinx]

I had to use cheats during the barrels of fun level

godmode specifically

bullshit level

[mighty sphinx]

the chasm was also bullshit 😭

[wanton cave]

just use quick saves

[median cloud]

Nah just lower difficulty and prac

[tropic zenith]

I miss the way music would change the key over the course of the song in Bobby Prince's compositions, it kept things fresh

The modern games could really use some groovy music at times when there's nothing really going on and there's nothing spooky around

Give us funky techno beats

[inland raft]

helo

im new

[snow beacon]

Okay I got a really cool idea for the classic doom revamp I’m doing. What if for the shores of hell, I have technology being corrupted by hell? Like what if I have demons kinda speaking through computer screens saying stuff like “submit to us” and so on and so forth

[snow beacon]

Hi

[inland raft]

helo

[vale gyro]

Ello

[inland raft]

ello

i like doom slayer

[snow beacon]

Then you’ve come to the right place

[inland raft]

yes

[celest fractal]

yknow it's kinda annoying how the super shotgun makes it harder to access the normal shotgun

in hindsight it'd be better to have the chaingun replace the pistol and use 3 and 4 for shotgun and super shotgun, honestly

[tropic zenith]

Doesn't tapping 3 twice very quickly bring it up or is that a quirk of zdoom?

[mortal silo]

Chasm is top tier doom 2 level imo. No cap.

[twin mortar]

Based!

[mortal silo]

It's just so unique, open ended, and has platforming

[tropic zenith]

I, too, like being attacked by lost souls on catwalks and then dying in lava searching for one of two teleporters in the dark

[mighty sphinx]

hmm chasm is weird

[mortal silo]

Continuous makes it a lot more palpable imo. Pistol start makes it far more gruelling.

[tropic zenith]

Real

It's just too much on the experimental side for me when it comes to maps from the 90s

[unreal pike]

anyone know this? hackaday.com/tag/does-it-run-doom/

[mighty sphinx]

YOOO WTF

the weird flame white dudes revives enemies!!!

motherfucker revived a chaingunner and he took me out XD

[vale gyro]

Oh yeah…

That’s not the only thing that fucker does

Nobody likes Archviles

Just uhh, make sure you got a wall near ya

[solar yew]

Wait, Sigil 2 exists?

Bruh

How were people playing these episodes before they were all put on steam?

Was there a website?

[vale gyro]

Romero’s website

[solar yew]

Oh

I should've done my resarch

[vale gyro]

Yeah, Sigil 1 was available way before it was ever added to even Unity

Sigil 2’s been around even before Doom 1 + 2

It was released in… 2023 or 24

I can’t remember tbh, it’s been a while since I bought my physical copy of Sigil 2

I wish I could’ve picked up the floppy disk version of it, but it sold out before I even noticed preorders were out

[finite crag]

i think it was december 2023

[solar yew]

Tbh, when I first got into the doom franchise. I always thought John Romero was a traditional game dev in the sense that he worked on doom 1, 2, and final doom, then he himself never did anything with the series again. All I knew was he was the main guy behind the first two. So I never bothered to look into anything else he did.

I didn’t even know there were episodes after final doom until the doom 1 and 2 were combined on steam.

[vale gyro]

Romero didn’t even work on Final Doom

I think the last Doom thing he worked on prior to Quake was Doom 2

He left after Quake 1

[solar yew]

Well i figured he wasn’t the main dev behind final doom, but i thought he was involved with it in some way.

[sharp wyvern]

He was involved in that he bought tnt I think

[marsh whale]

John Romero convinced teamTNT to create EVILUTION as part of Final Doom

[twin mortar]

Last games he worked on before Quake were Strife and Hexen

[twin mortar]

No, Evilution was already made, he just licensed it

Plutonia was the one that was commissioned

[marsh whale]

ohhhhh

[twin mortar]

There was meant to be a third one, fun fact, but it got cut out, and good, because 96 maps is a crazy number

[marsh whale]

I'd play 96 maps for an achievement or trophy

[mighty sphinx]

last 2 levels guys

29 and 30

its been a fucking journey

[twin mortar]

They gotta find a way to put Maximum DOOM on modern platforms someday so that people can play through a thousand levels of slop

[twin mortar]

Nice, what game?

[mighty sphinx]

doom 2

[marsh whale]

doom, doom 2 and all official expansions have 197 levels total (I think) and I've beaten them all

[celest fractal]

I think that's just the mod browser, with how little curation is going on :P

[twin mortar]

Wait until Maximum DOOM gets ported like a century from now

[twin mortar]

I bet like a quarter of those levels don't even work. I saw someone trying to upload Heretic there once. Dumbasses

[marsh whale]

playstation doom should be added to steam

[celest fractal]

A ton of zdoom mods too.

[twin mortar]

Idk how the legal rights sit for that one

[marsh whale]

fair

they need to add a sigil 2 achievement to doom + doom 2

that really pisses me off

[mighty sphinx]

YOOO

this is the music from doom eternal

[twin mortar]

A lot of what you are hearing is later reused in 2016 or Eternal

[marsh whale]

doom eternal is the music from doom 2

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[mighty sphinx]

BRUHHH

wtf am I fighting

[marsh whale]

A WALL

the peak of gaming

[wanton cave]

Peak boss design

[mighty sphinx]

wtf it doesnt die

it overwhelms me with enemies

[marsh whale]

if you're new go to general chat it's hilarious

watch a decino tutorial or smth because nobody understood what the hell to do at first

[mighty sphinx]

I have no more bullets

bruh I used my entire arsenal on this wall and its still goin

[twin mortar]

Let the guy figure it out, or at least spoiler mark it

The literal entire challenge of this fight is figuring out what to do, let him try

[marsh whale]

in doom eternal he ain't stuck in the wall anymore

[vale gyro]

For me it’s actually doing it because of a skill issue

[wanton cave]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[celest fractal]

The boss does have a scream if you do the right thing to damage it.

[wanton cave]

same

[mighty sphinx]

well I have no more bullets

[twin mortar]

I figured out how to ||shoot the rocket in so it lands each time|| and I felt so proud of myself

It used to be just trial and error

[celest fractal]

... though, due to a typo there's a 1/256 chance it doesn't scream lol

[marsh whale]

the damaging floors, archies, flying brown bastards, and revenants are fucking tedious

[marsh whale]

which port are you playing on?

[mighty sphinx]

I have the steam version

doom 1 and 2

I restarted the fight

YOOOO

I have to hit the opening right?

why else would there be a fucking square in this wall