classic-doom

[vale gyro]

I never understood the real appeal of MyHouse outside of the first few weeks of its release tbh

[finite crag]

ooh I heard of that book

[twin mortar]

I haven't played myHouse, might do so but I'm not really interested atm

[finite crag]

i have not tried it either

[vale gyro]

I just don’t get why it’s now apparently the pinnacle “must play” WAD

[full plinth]

I just find all things like that fascinating."Doom ii" is just an interesting medium for art, I love art in weird mediums

[vale gyro]

Don’t take it as me bashing it, though. That’s not my intention in any way.

[finite crag]

Currently on master levels in doom 2
Vesperas got me stuck

[full plinth]

oh not at all! and don't take my comment as me saying you gotta play!

just explaining my personal fascination

[vale gyro]

I just don’t got the will to set up GZ to play it tbh

[full plinth]

that's fair

[vale gyro]

Also I’m not sure if I could take it, honestly

But what people find impressive I don’t really, as I’ve somewhat studied the map

[twin mortar]

The only mustplay WADs are Terrywads. So fun!

[vale gyro]

Ah yes, the casual zip bomb

[finite crag]

Looked up a guide...

What the fuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06KaAeqXJmo

So that's where they put the yellow key.

Some of these master levels, man...

[full plinth]

how do they do the multiple floors and stuff? is it just teleports that cos of modern PCs are instantaneous?

[vale gyro]

Nah, GZDoom has that ability for 3D floors

If you want to see a map that actually does what you’re talking about, Overboard often does that

[twin mortar]

Master Levels were the original troll levels

[finite crag]

Ima get some hot chocolate then finish that godforsaken level vesperas

[full plinth]

the more you know

[vale gyro]

map01 does this from the get go

[twin mortar]

You ever played or heard of Cat Mario? Literally what the MLs are

[vale gyro]

I think map03 as well

[finite crag]

Cat mario I at least know that I'm about to be trolled any moment

[full plinth]

i still wanna see a full remake of Doom 1 in Snapmap or something

[finite crag]

Master levels, it's mostly passable levels, some even really good... then this clown comes in

[vale gyro]

Not legally possible

[twin mortar]

Could be done if the SnapMap community had more than 3 users

[vale gyro]

At most just Episode 1

[full plinth]

was gonna say we could at least do the freeware levels

[twin mortar]

Plus probably the classic maps you can unlock in the game

[finite crag]

And yes I have played Cat Mario. Unfair Mario, too

Childhood favorites

[twin mortar]

And the official SnapMap account posted some remakes too so those aswell

[vale gyro]

Never knew that

[vale gyro]

Also, play Overboard

It’s good, just play it

[twin mortar]

There's a Polish YouTuber I like that loves to swear all the time, he once played Cat Mario and every swear he had to eat a slice of lemon without any sugar, it didn't work out for him as he still swears like a sailor. Fun times, he played that like a decade ago

[vale gyro]

I do personally recommend using a proper Boom-accurate port to play it, but it’s not required more than likely

Just turn off crouching and jumping, though

High chance the maps will break from them

[twin mortar]

The account has posted a few levels, I guess that's the closest we're getting to OFFICIAL singleplayer content in 2016 outside the campaign

[vale gyro]

Good to know my autocorrect is now straight up deleting words

Wonder how long it’s gonna take for it to delete a word in a way to make it seem I’m saying something wildly different

[finite crag]

Titan Manor sucked

[umbral shale]

Poor guy, at least you were somewhat prepared

[finite crag]

I took a look at one guide (turns out there was a switch in the fireplace)

after that I put the guide away and finished the rest blindly but lord...

[umbral shale]

Yeah those switch placements are abysmal, some of the poorest map language I've seen in a megawad

[umbral shale]

At least you passed it and can move on, congratulations tho

[finite crag]

oh we're not done yet. but thankss

Few more levels to go

worst so far imo was probably this one. Or Black Tower (I do kinda lament Black Tower since it looks good and I could tell that the creator was very amibitious and I sincerely hope they went on to do big things in gaming). It's just that there were some mechanics that dragged it down for me

Yeah Titan Manor is the worst so far, then. But mayhaps it'll get even crazier. Sometimes the worst levels show themselves during the final stretch

[umbral shale]

Are you gonna play the last level btw, the one with 30 cybies

[finite crag]

https://tenor.com/view/verne-stare-gif-24447130

[finite crag]

But of course I will

in all seriousness, yes (every level will get a chance)

[smoky anvil]

funny thing, thats the easiest level out of them all

[umbral shale]

Don't tell 'im lol

[smoky anvil]

Oh i meant its impossible to beat, totally

[glad delta]

guys how do I stop the crash on the kex port?

I can't play multiplayer for more than 1 hour and it crashes everytime

i reinstalled the game and etc etc and didnt do shi

[vale gyro]

you don't

all you can do is hope an update comes in the next few months

[glad delta]

yk, i played at the beginning of the update and it worked flawlessly

guess i have to play on souceports then

[finite crag]

got jumpscared by a pinky while playing uv with fast monsters

its a good challenge but it got me stressed

always worrying ima get swiss cheesed by shotgunners around the conrer

[smoky anvil]

Fast pinkies are no joke lol

[coarse horizon]

At least it isn't nightmare with respawning enemies

I mean, you do get double amno

[haughty mortar]

anyone wanna coop in doom + doom 2 port?

i'm playing doom 1

up to just episode 3

[finite crag]

huh

[finite crag]

So, I beat Elevator Express To Hell and Bad Dream @smoky anvil @umbral shale
What the fuck was that, even

Express Elevator to Hell was so bad. Like, it was just... ugh. Really fucking horrible.

Bad Dream was goofy and dumb but I gotta give it props since it does what it title says - it's a bad dream. And it's a secret level so I'm less harsh on it by default.

Express Elevator made me feel like I was playing Plutonia's worst maps again

A lot of people pearl-clutch about TNT Evilution and levels like Habitat, but I'd rather play Habitat fifteen times in a row than play Plutonia's Hunted again or even think about playing Express Elevator again. Good lord. Good. Lord.

Like, Habitat is dumb, but it's at least mercifully short if you know where to go, and overall it does not really represent TNT, it's just a sore thumb that is also... well, a thumb, in the sense that it's short, too. But Express Elevator just feels deliberately designed to make it as bad as possible for the player...

Of course, Express Elevator does not represent Master levels either, but... lord. To people who got the achievement and beat all levels... I express my sympathies.

In other words:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl86G6L5PnU

I hope the rest of the master levels will not be too bad, but I won't be getting my hopes up either

On a more positive note, Trapped on titan was genuinely enjoyable imo

[finite crag]

i love teeth

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-fast-gif-18043850

[red harbor]

is it bad that i kinda like TEETH

yeah its a bit convoluted but its a decent level

especially for 1995

[finite crag]

You have an opinion and that's ok

I just think it suck

[twin mortar]

I agree with Nuze but I can see why one can dislike it

[finite crag]

I think it's genuinely one of the worst classic doom levels I ever touched

As, in official levels. There's a whole rabbit hole of fan-made wads that I may or may not want to get into

[twin mortar]

Terrywads are the best tbh...

[red harbor]

in all fairness though master levels is just 20 fan-made wads that id decided to slap a price tag on (same goes with final doom but those were made by actual teams instead of like one or two people so it has more polish)

[twin mortar]

Final DOOM is only half that

[ruby sparrow]

guys

what do you think is the worst classic doom expansion

[finite crag]

My least favorite is plutonia without a doubt

But Master Levels could be even worse. Like, teeth.wad is some fuck

[twin mortar]

So Master Levels, NRFTL and LoR. Haven't played LoR so I can't judge

[twin mortar]

Plutonia is its own thing

[finite crag]

LoR I have not played

[finite crag]

Oh lol. Yeah my mind associates it as one because it is like a map pack of DOOM 2

There's also Sigil 1 and 2, which are not as official, but I like those

[ruby sparrow]

sigil 1 is official

[twin mortar]

NRFTL is probably my favorite official WAD

[twin mortar]

Nope, it isn't

It's officially endorsed but that doesn't mean it's official

[finite crag]

Sigil 1 is good

Sigil 2 is also good

NRFTL I enjoyed except for Vivisection, GOOD LORD that sucked

I'm still delaying Legacy of Rust

[twin mortar]

Did you play it on UV?

[finite crag]

No, HMP, even worse lol

It means that on HMP it is already crazy, on UV... Ima not try

[twin mortar]

Try on UV; that was one of the achievements for the original release

[ruby sparrow]

vivisection is fun

[finite crag]

I may replay it one day

[ruby sparrow]

but it just drags a lot

[finite crag]

but yeah it was long, too. I try not to exploit quicksaving but there... I felt like I had to

DOOM 2 Master levels is worst so far, then. Express ellevator to hell sucked. I barely quick-saved during levels at that point, but at teeth.wad I did it very often because the amount of BS and padding is genuinely staggering

I also did it at Black Tower, that level is also just long as fuck

I will say this: I don't do S-rank, A-rank, B-rank, etc

A lot of classic doom levels blur together for me. That's not a bad thing since I enjoy a lot of them

It is easier for me to say which levels I enjoyed, which one I found boring, and which ones I found terribly annoying. I dunno my mind is not that optimisitc I guess

[finite crag]

The convoluted nature is not my biggest concern with this fest

My biggest issue was... a lot of other things. BS encounters and ambushes, annoying pacing... but yeah the convoluted nature did not help. It's sad because the level's architecture is good.

[finite crag]

True

[umbral shale]

Sorry for not responding, I was in school, but congratulations. Yes habitat might be the worst doom level aesthetically, but doom expansions like the master levels have the lowest of the low when it comes to gameplay. You should play either legacy of rust or doom zero next, their aesthetics and the way they play feel like a journey.

[finite crag]

No problem, no need to be sorry

And I have beaten The Master Levels now. Master of destructon is moi

[umbral shale]

Sweet👍

[finite crag]

And thankss.

Bloodsea Keep was genuinely good, I enjoyed that. Mephisto's Mausoleum... was not good. This level has potential but the start and end sucked, and it also had other annoying parts

So... overall?

It may sound odd, but a lot of doom levels play the same for me. I don't know, it's hard for me to say which level I like the most. I cannot say which I'd consider B-tier, or S-tier, or A, etc. A lot of classic doom levels blur together for me, but as I said, that's not a problem since I enjoy most levels

A level only stands out to me if it is either boring, or obnoxiously frustrating, or both.

And Express elevator is where it really shits the bed.

Most levels were good. I enjoyed playing most master levels, barely needed a guide, could get by just fine with one quicksave per level most of the time. I remember the quality starting to slip a bit around level 7-8, with Black Tower being the first low point. After that it got a bit better, then came Vesperas and Titan's Manor. Those sucked. It's semi-name sake Trapped on Titan? That one I enjoyed.

And eventually came Express Elevator where it shat the bed, and bad dream is the last thing I want in bed.

[umbral shale]

Yeah. Now you need to play some good megawads to cleanse that master level outta your mind, i recommend legacy of rust or doom zero

Thinking more about it feels like lost time

[finite crag]

Then Bloodsea Keep came in being decent, then Mephisto's Mausoleum came and... ended it up poorly lol

Thanks for the recs, I'll look into Legacy of Rusty or doom zero

I do not regret checking out the master levels, was glad I finally did since I did enjoy some levels. I feel a bit more positive than after my time with Plutonia. Granted, Plutonia, I had skill issues (I am too prideful to lower the difficulty) and Plutonia being so acclaimed made my expectations a tad high (whereas Doom's master levels, I had lower expectations)

[red harbor]

@finite crag bit of a warning but LoR does feel like a slaughtermap towards the end

[umbral shale]

Don't tell 'im lol

[red harbor]

its a fair warning though

[umbral shale]

For sure, But he's gonna have fun using the calamity blade, I think he uses saves so he won't have to worry about restarting the level

[umbral shale]

The last level can go poorly if you're not planning, for sure

[smoky anvil]

Yk what the best part about doom 2’s map 17?

Map 18 is right after 😎

And the worst part of map 18?

Map 19 is next 😔

[finite crag]

I already knew that actually

[finite crag]

Hmm well yeah I use saves and I usually don't waste ammo much... tho I can go crazy with BFG sometimes lol
Calamity blade... now I'm intrigued.

Dunno when I'll start but it'll be next on my list. Then the DOOM 1 + 2 package is completed

[finite crag]

hoye

[finite quail]

I just passed both wolfenstein levels in Doom II

loved it

The censorship is very funny

[finite crag]

grrr

[pine violet]

The only other thing I took from the books is the Spider Mastermind having psychic powers

She and the rest of hell are still demons

[finite crag]

brain

[pine violet]

Not aliens

[finite crag]

they are Aliens

from Venus

that worship the devil

[pine violet]

What?

[pine violet]

Where did you get this from?

[finite crag]

DEMONS ARE OFFENSIVE

Turn them to aliens

[pine violet]

I don't see how

[finite crag]

BLOOD IS OFFENSIVE turn it all green

[pine violet]

The only ones with green blood are majority of the hell nobility like the Barons, Knights etc etc

[finite crag]

doom 1 has bad graphics like it's from 1990s

[pine violet]

That's because it is lol

[finite crag]

0/10 star reviews

there are no girls

[pine violet]

This is meant to be a horror action game not a sleezy action game like Duke 3D

[finite crag]

no trans gender trans blood trans aliens no joe Biden hero characters

IM DYING AHHHHH BLOWS UP

[pine violet]

You know what I'm going to post this somewhere else

[finite crag]

post wat

I am now game journalist just doing my job

[twin mortar]

Only modern release of it to be uncensored is the Xbox 360 version, unfortunately

[finite crag]

ha

I know a full wolfenstein timeline to see the beginning of nazis too the end

[glad delta]

I would win all of you here on a deathmatch

[finite crag]

CALL OF DUTY 1 AND UNITED OFFENSIVE
CALL OF DUTY 2
CALL OF DUTY WORLD AT War
Wolfenstein Return to castle wolfenstein
wolfenstein 2009
wolfenstein old blood
wolfenstein new order
wolfenstein 2 and dlcs
wolfenstein youngblood

[vale gyro]

'till you get shredded by a silent BFG user

[finite crag]

the German technology advances

[glad delta]

:((

I hate silent bfg users

But I still would win ngl

[vale gyro]

not to toot my own horn but I did win a match with over 20 kills above second place a few times

[finite crag]

what

[glad delta]

Would do that with no sweat

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/151582-brisk-2-rc2-32-limit-removing-maps/ such a banger wad

[ruby sparrow]

have you guys played the doom iis official addons

[finite crag]

yes

[ruby sparrow]

and should i play them?

[finite crag]

on my Xbox ONE

[finite crag]

yeee

[ruby sparrow]

oķ

[finite crag]

they just more doom 2

[glad delta]

which addons

Oh you mean the downloadable addons

[ruby sparrow]

yes

[glad delta]

I've tried just a few but I got back to souceports lmao

but it's cool to have on consoles

such a upgrade from older official ports

the last one i finished was going down turbo

(you should play it)

its so weird seeing people play on HMP, my first contact with classic doom was always UV

why play doom with lesser monsters to kill

more kills more fun

[smoky anvil]

yes

theyre pretty good

[vale gyro]

just tried a few of the maps and already enjoying it

will keep it on the backburner for when I finish GD Turbo

[glad delta]

Crazy mapsets

[finite crag]

I'm bored

[vale gyro]

play Going Down Turbo

[finite crag]

who

[smoky anvil]

anyone ig

[finite crag]

I can't play any mods until I beat 1 2 and TnT and plotoiua

[vale gyro]

No?

[finite crag]

you think I can just play any game I like and have fun

no I have to follow the timeline

[vale gyro]

bro I played so many WADs before I even beat Doom 2 lol

[glad delta]

Just play the game dawg 😭

[finite crag]

I have to beat doom 3 before I can play doom 2016 too play doom eternal

I haven't beat doom eternal in years because I keep restarting back too doom 1

[finite crag]

your normal

my brain works different

[vale gyro]

I'm not normal

just guess how many copies of Doom 1 I have

[finite crag]

YOUR AVRAGE SIZE

YOUR BASIC HUMAN

NORMAL

[vale gyro]

eh, not really

[finite crag]

YOU WILL SAVE US ALLL

[vale gyro]

a good chunk of my body has something wrong with it

[finite crag]

doom slayer is just a kid on drugs

the game is his imagination

explain all the colours

[smoky anvil]

Dude i have so many unfinished playthroughs its not even funny, u can do anything u want

[finite crag]

no

I cant

its not that simple

it's too dangerous

[smoky anvil]

Im halfway through pistol starting doom 2 and i started another wad

[finite crag]

I use Godmode

loooserrr

[vale gyro]

I for some reason can't bring myself into playing Doom 2 again or playing Plutonia

like I've played mapsets that are probably harder than Plutonia without issue

but just every time I've played Plutonia, I just get bored

like after map03

and I just found Doom 2 meh

[smoky anvil]

I dont blame you in the slightest, after playing through other wads you really start to see the lack of polish and how bad some maps are

[vale gyro]

I can play Doom 1 over and over

just not 2

[smoky anvil]

Doom 1 isnt bad at all but it gets boring fast

[vale gyro]

hell, I had more fun with TNT than I could with what I played in Plutonia

[smoky anvil]

Yea and tnts maps are cooler or at least have a theme

[finite crag]

Damn we're alike

[vast reef]

least eccentric frenchman

[rugged crane]

Ehh kinda

Not for me bc I play it at my school and it’s the only fun thing I can do there

[red harbor]

you should probably study instead of playing doom

[smoky anvil]

studying is for nerds, cool people play doom instead

[rugged crane]

I am

You never know when your gonna have to kill a demon

This teaches real world experience

[serene timber]

any of yall got any recommendations as for 3ds source ports?

(perferably zdoom based)

[serene timber]

Nvm

I did more research and found out there’s only 2 ports of prboom

:(

[red harbor]

In all fairness (G)ZDoom isn't optimized for modern hardware, let alone low-end stuff from 2011

[sand obsidian]

I got incredible luck today in my doom 2 nightmare game

In Living end, Catacombs, Factory, Nirvana, Barrels O' Fun, Bloodfalls and etc

[finite crag]

explain

[vast reef]

its just a meme im parroting abt how french people act weird

but tbh u can apply that meme to like a ton of other races, humans as a whole are weird

don't take it seriously lol

[twin mortar]

Look at Eddie's username...

[finite crag]

we aren't weird

[finite crag]

I made that name years ago

[vast reef]

can i use it for a band name

[finite crag]

no ots my brand

[vast reef]

💔

[finite crag]

I'm French kitten

the French kitten

my Xbox username is French kitten 654

[twin mortar]

Also unrelated but Psionic, I once misread your name as Seismicblast, thought you were a TASM 2 fan too. Severe dissapointment. Punishment is imminent (getting you to play TASM 2)

[finite crag]

my Roblox user is TheFrench_kitten

I want doom 3

[twin mortar]

Buy it

[finite crag]

I don't have enough money

[twin mortar]

Time to save up

[finite crag]

I beat it before like 4 times on game pass

[finite crag]

it's not that simple

I don't have a job or a chores

[twin mortar]

Ask for allowance, visit your grandma, there's still some ways to get some green

[finite crag]

even if I had money I can't buy a gift card by myself

my grandma is ash I don't think she can help

unless you saying to sell her u don't think that will work

[twin mortar]

Keep her

[finite crag]

I miss her

I first heard about doom at her house

it was doom 2016 I saw someone playing it

[vale gyro]

You can’t just walk up to a gas station and buy a card?

[finite crag]

no

it's far away

and I don't earn money I earn mental money my mom remembers then I can ask to get stuff when the times right

[vast reef]

nooo

its an earthbound attack btw

[vast reef]

is it normal for 13yos in france to use public transport

[finite crag]

who said I'm in France

can people not MIGRATE

colonize

Québec

🇨🇦

[glad delta]

gzdoom is so laggy

[vale gyro]

to be fair it does depend on the hardware

[red harbor]

yeah on high-end hardware it runs well but like a 4090 can run doom no matter how poorly optimized

(we dont talk about the 5090)

[vale gyro]

lol

what port you use, then? @glad delta

[glad delta]

I'm currently using dsda and sometimes doom retro

because of the cool graphics tweaks

[red harbor]

yeah doom retro is pretty nice

[glad delta]

ye :))

[vale gyro]

neat

I personally use Nyan Doom instead of DSDA-Doom

DSDA lacks some things that Nyan Doom has

[glad delta]

never heard of it

[vale gyro]

it's a fork of DSDA-Doom

[red harbor]

same but i might check out ReBoom for my Boom mapping needs since im a bit of a purist lol

[glad delta]

oh so i definitely would like it

[vale gyro]

yeah

[glad delta]

ill try it later thx

[vale gyro]

it adds in removed features, plus some other stuffs

[glad delta]

funny name tho

[red harbor]

also a demo progress bar that i cant seem to disable

[vale gyro]

though, I wish you could disable double blazing doors and overwriting sounds in other complevels

because I'm really weird when it comes to wanting a consistent experience

[vale gyro]

I can live with and without them

but I do somewhat prefer without them

but at the same time I'm also very into playing on the intended complevel even during casual play

[glad delta]

yes that sounds cool

[glad delta]

nicee

but its really like dsda? Like the ui

[vale gyro]

yes

although it does use DSDA-Doom's in-dev UI atm

so it's a bit different to current-release DSDA

[glad delta]

guess I have to migrate souceports

[vale gyro]

I mainly switched to Nyan Doom from Nugget because I wanted DSDA-Doom's hardware renderer

[glad delta]

Oh that renderer is soo good

thanks for the tips dude imma head out rn

[vale gyro]

k

[glad delta]

[finite crag]

zdoom made the chainsaw somewhat useful

Welp I think I'm post-poning a legacy of rust playthrough again since I startede playing Quake

[fresh crystal]

So I've been playing Plutonia through Doom 1+2 and towards the end of Map 23 the game keeps crashing

I have the crashlog where would I send something like that?

[pliant mango]

Ok, so in doom. In your own opinion, what is the most depressing quote in the 1993 game?

[vale gyro]

"Unf." - Doomguy

[pliant mango]

lol

[sand obsidian]

Is it just me, but The Inmost Dens isn't fun

[sand obsidian]

Also Rank These 5 Doom 2 Maps on Nightmare From 1-5, 1 being the best and 5 being the worst

The Inmost Dens
Monster Condo
Dead Simple
Living End
Nirvana

[young escarp]

Does it happen online or offline?

[fresh crystal]

Wym? Single Player or in Co op?

[young escarp]

I'm wondering cause I play single player and it's fine, it does happens on coop every now and then

[fresh crystal]

Single Player

[red harbor]

not really sure whats going on, likely just the kex port being the kex port

[fresh crystal]

It sounds like it might be a memory leak of some kind

[red harbor]

possibly, send it to help.bethesda.net, they MIGHT fix it

[finite crag]

why are there no health pickups in e1m7

jeus christ

cannot do this with fast monsters

i did it with fast monsters

[vast reef]

character arc

[umbral shale]

No

No

No

No

No

No

No

No

No

[calm cradle]

Alright that’s a bit silly, but quit it

[umbral shale]

Alr

[umbral shale]

I understand

If you want an answer I'm 16

[calm cradle]

We don’t mind joking around, just don’t be an annoying shit with it

[umbral shale]

Ofc

[vocal wave]

[calm cradle]

And don’t beg people for their age. Bro was clearly not wanting to do so

[vale gyro]

Yes

The only person who asked for someone’s age

You pinged the entire fucking mod team because they said no

That doesn’t constitute pinging the moderation team

[calm cradle]

Penguin, chill

Let’s move on

[vale gyro]

Sorry, sorry

[umbral shale]

It's all good

[sick mist]

I just noticed, while reading this chat, I haven't banned anyone in a while. Don't tempt me

[finite crag]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-thor-what-did-you-do-wait-a-minute-gif-18842259

[umbral shale]

https://tenor.com/view/samuel-hayden-doom-doom2016-crucible-gif-19831506

[cerulean haven]

Should Bethesda remaster doom 1

[vocal wave]

theres nothing to remaster

[cerulean haven]

The graphics, not saying that they are bad

The graphics are timeless but the next generation will not think that the graphics look good because they will be used to more doom eternal type graphics

[finite crag]

it is remastered under Kex

[vast reef]

project side and mods/wads in the same vein do this and there's not enough reason to do like, a full 3d graphical remaster of a game where you can't jump or look up lmaooo

[finite crag]

Graphics are unimportant regarding classic doom

[vast reef]

no the game is pretty

[finite crag]

we just wanna blast

[finite crag]

exacty, and even if someone doesn't find it pretty (worry not I find it very pretty), it's about gameplay

[vast reef]

ok true

[finite crag]

Better graphics, I'd only allow if it doesn't sacrifice other fundamental aspects

[vast reef]

id say gzdoom with its ambient occlusion and lighting and maybe a few graphical mods is enough of a "remaster" for me but i still prefer software

what i like is that one gz shader that looks kinda like the software renderer

so i can play mods and stuff with that look

[mellow yarrow]

I keep getting this error when trying to load maps

what is wrong

OS: Windows 11 (or higher) (NT 10.0) Build 26100

GZDoom version g4.14.1

GScript error, "myhouse.pk3:zscript" line 75:
GCannot convert to name

Execution could not continue.
1 errors while parsing scripts

[vale gyro]

Use an older version of GZDoom

[mellow yarrow]

alr i did ty

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/timbersshivered-yikers-gif-23072365

[red harbor]

Xaser also posted a fixed version in the original Doomworld thread if you dont wanna downgrade

[red harbor]

see above

oh he left

[glad delta]

He just had one mission and left 😭

[finite crag]

https://youtu.be/zIdpMaHNIeQ?si=BAwNRKnRYwCFiob0

[umbral shale]

That is a good counterargument to a remaster

[smoky anvil]

Barrels of fun is easily the worst level in doom 2

[red harbor]

Icon of Sin*

*when you accidentally activate "Oops! All Archviles!" mode

[normal coyote]

i honestly hate the icon of sin level

[smoky anvil]

im not excited for it lol

[smoky anvil]

just pistol start UV maxed barrels of fun, fuck the beginning section

the rest of the level isnt bad

[lunar rune]

It's a pile of trash that could've been whipped up in like, 10 minutes

[finite crag]

i love the icon of sin

[twin mortar]

This will be doom in 2013

[finite crag]

playing classic doom without the sc55 soundtrack should be illegal

[thorn jungle]

what year did you guys first play thr classic DOOM?

[finite crag]

2014 I guess when it was playable on flash game sites

Maybe even 2013. I was young af

[thorn jungle]

call me late but i started literally THIS 2024

i only finished doom 1's DOS version on Nov 15, 2024, and that was on HMP, save scumming

i didn't like that, so i replayed the game on UV, with only beginning of the level saves and finished on Jan 7

2025

[vast reef]

2019

"play doom online free"

on my dad's work laptop lol

i beat link to the past and doom ep 1 in a browser

[austere lark]

Hey, any European players here for some practice duel matches in late evenings/early night?
map01, judas, django?

[rugged crane]

Guys I beat doom

[glad delta]

now do it on nightmare pistol start

and 100% all (including item)

[normal coyote]

1993 or 94

[rugged crane]

No I was on the second easiest and it was still hard asf 🤣

[rugged crane]

Last year

I couldn’t even beat the last boss in knee deep in the dead

But this year I beat them all

[normal coyote]

really? you just gotta keep strafing

oh u beat it eventually 😅

[heavy lark]

Does anyone know or have a link to the song that plays in the archvile maze level?

[normal coyote]

is it this song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBW_R61WGYU

[heavy lark]

Yes. Thx.

[rugged crane]

Ya back then it was hard but this year I replayed the whole thing and used my rocket launched and killed them fairly easily

[noble fractal]

Just found dad's doom 2 cdrom from 94

now i can play with the official familial iwad

[true current]

Anyone know why Doom 1 + 2 isn't letting people log in to download mods?

[red harbor]

bethesda.net is probably down

[glad delta]

classic is horrible

why I cant look down and up ugh

[finite crag]

skill issue tbh

[hot owl]

Because it's a game from the early 90s 😭

[glad delta]

bro

idc

this game is bad

[hot owl]

No it ain't lmfao

Just don't play it, simple

[glad delta]

i gave this game a chance, but it's not that good

1k hours and I still found it trash

[hot owl]

[vale gyro]

you're more insane than I was playing Eternal for 100 hours and still calling it bad

[glad delta]

I'm sane as hell

[hot owl]

I have over 800 hours in eternal and I don't like it

[vale gyro]

I call BS on that personally Thomas

wait, I remember you saying you only play it for the lore at this point

nvm, I take that back

[glad delta]

doomguy still loses to commander keen

[hot owl]

Lore is very important to me 😭

[still helm]

Hello monkeys,it’s me lord frieza! Emperor of the universe

[glad delta]

Frezza hows goin

[still helm]

Ok,this worthless Saiyan jst sliced me in half

Typical Mondays am I right!

[glad delta]

Yeah for sure now go get vegegga

[normal coyote]

keen was one of the first games i ever played on pc, i got it on the steam sale, didnt rly age well 😅

[glad delta]

never played but I saw videos on yt back in the day

[normal coyote]

my nostalgia tricked me

[glad delta]

it is that bad? Lmao

[normal coyote]

i mean, its not terrible, its still kind of cool, but idk if im going to keep playing it or beat it rly 😄

but they are 80s/early 90s games

i only spent like 2 bucks on it, so no biggie, was cool to relive it for a minute

[glad delta]

imma try it just for funsies later

[normal coyote]

let me kno how it went 😄

[sand obsidian]

Just finished beating Thy Flesh Consumed On Doom 1 On Nightmare again

I Hate E4M1

[finite crag]

Now do it on ultra nightmare

[thorn jungle]

admittedly, i beat E4M2 the wrong way. i could have simply telefragged that cyberdemon, but instead i killed him traditionally: with guns

that resulted in me wasting all of my shells and cells

[smoky anvil]

I UVMax pistol started all of doom 2

[smoky anvil]

bc pistol starts are fun, and getting all the kills and secrets in doom 2 isnt too hard to do

[glad delta]

isn't that the normal way?

[finite crag]

No

[onyx shore]

What are the best sites to find quality doom wads outside of the featured ones in rerelease?

[vale gyro]

Doomworld and its frontend for the idGames Archive

[onyx shore]

Aawesome ~ how many quality wads have been released in any ballpark estimate since 1993?

[vale gyro]

Probably too many to count

Too many to even estimate

idGames has WADs dating back to ‘93

[onyx shore]

Ah ok ~ just read in the description to master levels for Doom 2: they curated for a reason the top ones.

[vale gyro]

Also, I do suggest using a source port over the official port

The official port could cause unknown issues as it uses backwards engineered compatibility for Boom and upwards

[finite crag]

yeah use gzdoom if you can

[vale gyro]

Even that can have compatibility issues

As seen with my favorite example for this, POOGERS

Most of the time it will work, but there are instances where WADs just straight up don’t work in GZDoom

I do just suggest using whatever source port the WAD recommends using

[red harbor]

Master Levels is an okay WAD, make sure to Pistol Start for the intended experience though

[red harbor]

Note: If the WAD says "Boom Compatible" or "MBF(21) Compatible" make sure to use a source port that supports that mapping format. Usually if a source port supports Boom it supports MBF(21) but there are rare exceptions (mainly older ports that you shouldn't be using anyways)

[onyx shore]

I use the source doom 1 and doom 2 rerelease

And oh I played through the stuff with saves carrying my stuff over

[mighty anvil]

i just did the plutonia experiment map 32

ultra nightmare

100%

[onyx shore]

How do you reach such skill? @mighty anvil

I have trouble in Eternal and in classic Doom on hurt me plenty sometimes until I get it right...

I tried nightmare on doom 1 level 1 episode 1 and got killed so fast lol

I've been playing the Anaomly Report @vale gyro and @red harbor

[red harbor]

Nice

[manic current]

just keep practicing. also nightmare mode is basically a joke difficulty that is usually cartoonishly difficult to play; the highest serious difficulty is usually ultra violence.

[glad delta]

I always played uv max pistol start then 😭😭

[red harbor]

well at least youre good at Doom 2

[glad delta]

it's not really a "joke difficult" I like to see it as a enhanced ultra violence with a few bonuses like fast projectiles, fast monsters (pinkies are crazy) and respawn monsters. i like to see the kill count over 100% :)))

[glad delta]

gzdoom is not that good to play classic doom, there's weird physics, different behavior sometimes and you have to config for every play style you want. Stick with gzdoom if you like to play not vanilla doom mods and choose a good souceport like nyan doom, dsda, prboom, or any removing limits souceports to play the "intended way" (but don't get me wrong, you can play the way you find more your style, I'm just giving tips)

sorry for the big text tho

[onyx shore]

@glad delta I got most of the way through E1M1 on nightmare, but the respawning past the enemy count killed me

Another time: I just died right near the beginning from all the damage I took from normal gunners.

[vale gyro]

Y’could just ignore everything on the level and head straight to the exit

Completely RNG dependent if it works or not depending if you can get enough speed and be accurate enough

[glad delta]

What I just usually do is, I get the kill count to 100% (kill the specific amount of enemies) and run to exit while quick killing demons on the way

[onyx shore]

Well thanks because Steam listings show some people with all 33 achievements on the rerelease

And one is beat a level on nightmare....

[vale gyro]

Oh most of us basically cheated

Holy fuck there’s so many ways you could (or still) cheese it

[glad delta]

oh I did all 100% legit lmao

[vale gyro]

I think I did it legit

[glad delta]

but yeah the achievements are pretty easy to cheat

[vale gyro]

Probably E1M1

Y’can SR50 in a good line and you’ll be fine

Nearly dead, but you’ll finish the level

Honestly, you could also just do E3M8

[glad delta]

idclev

[vale gyro]

That level on Nightmare is easier than it is on UV

[glad delta]

some levels are easier on nightmare

I can't think of one but there are a lot

[vale gyro]

Or -warp, or the level selector on KEX/Unity, or the Level Table in some ports, and blah blah blah

[glad delta]

kex lmao

i still can't play seriously there

[vale gyro]

KEX has too many issues for me to reasonably use

I am the biggest GZ hater here, and I’d still play GZ over KEX

Because at least GZ works

For as much as I sometimes shit in GZ, at least it works

[glad delta]

Im pretty neutral towards gzdoom, I'm more a hater of texture filtering

[vale gyro]

There’s so much I need to do to get GZ to mimic how I want it

When I can get other ports very close to what I want without changing anything

[glad delta]

yeah you need a lot of time to change the settings

but on souceports youre just playing at the time

[vale gyro]

Though with some specific things I want it limits me to like 3 ports

Crispy, Woof (and its forks), and Nyan Doom

I’ve currently settled on Nyan after a year of using Woof and Nugget Doom

[glad delta]

a bunch of souceports are designed for a certain groups/types of players, you just found your souceport lol, I love dsda currently though

nyan doom is at my list

[vale gyro]

I had made my own fork of DSDA when the stable versions of both DSDA and Nyan had an audio issue

[glad delta]

Thats so cool, did you put a name ?

[vale gyro]

Nah

Never planning on releasing it

[glad delta]

I never had the thought of doing my own fork of the souceport I like

[vale gyro]

I did it merely to wait out Nyan Doom getting the fix

I took the colored blood and ENDOOM from Nyan and shoved it into DSDA

That’s basically the whole fork in a nutshell

[glad delta]

Ofc that is

damn I like endoom

[vale gyro]

They’re apparently adding ENDOOM back into DSDA

But the lack of colored blood (without a dehacked patch) and ENDOOM, plus some featured Nyan had, made me choose Nyan over DSDA

But yeah, my favorite port of all time would probably be Nugget

But I’ve been liking Nyan a lot

So that’s been my main port

Just sorta annoyed that you can’t turn on/off non-demo affecting features unless you switch complevels

[glad delta]

nugget doom..

I heard about it like 2 times

[vale gyro]

Mainly referring to double blazing doors and overwritten sounds

But well, I can live with and without them

[glad delta]

I like the double sound lmao

[vale gyro]

The overwriting sounds can be jarring at times for me

Mainly because I’ve used Woof and Nugget for so long

I’ll eventually get used to it again

[glad delta]

Yeah I was about to say this

[vale gyro]

Though with that issue I mentioned earlier

It was overwriting sounds excessively

Like one sound could play at once and that was it

Thankfully that got fixed

But it prevented me from using DSDA for a bit

Also, for your source port thing

I do recommend starting with Chocolate’s code base

At least to learn how stuff is structured

[glad delta]

thats sounds pretty solid to start

solid base

[vale gyro]

It’s pretty easy to understand and modify

And probably the easiest to actually compile

Mainly on Linux

There’s some extra hoops you need to do on Windows, but the process is otherwise the same

[glad delta]

nothing stops me from dualbooting

[vale gyro]

Don’t dual boot on one drive

Better to use a VM in that case

Also iirc Chocolate doesn’t support cross compiling

So you’d need to compile on the system you intend for it to run on

[glad delta]

oh thats new

don't seem to be that complicated

[vale gyro]

Anyways

I personally made my own fork of Chocolate that was initially intended just to be bug fixes (like IDCHOPPERS) and nothing else. But I eventually add in stuff like the WEAP cheat, a port of the cheat from Doom95 that kills all monsters, a cheat to check if you have berserk or not, and the ability to switch from the chainsaw to the fist without berserk

Honestly, it was a fun project, I recommend trying to make your own fork

[glad delta]

love the idea

thx bird man

[vale gyro]

You’re welcome

But yeah, the first compile is straight forward

Though I’ve encountered some headaches where sometimes it won’t write the new EXE. In that case you can usually just delete the file and it’ll work.

Also, I guess it’d be a good way to learn C if you didn’t know it already

But in short, basically install msys2, get the dev and lib packages, clone the repo, and compile

Not as easy as compiling a .NET C# program, but easy enough

[smoky anvil]

Depends on who you ask

[red harbor]

"NOOOOO! YOU HAVE TO PISTOL START ON NIGHTMARE ON THE LOWEST SETTINGS, IT'S HOW YOU WERE MEANT TO PLAY!!!!!"

"Hehe demon killing game fun even on easy mode"

[finite crag]

There is no objectively normal way

[glad delta]

true

just play doom

no matter how

[finite crag]

wrong

uv max single segment runs is the only true way to play classic doom

nonononono

lies, lies

[smoky anvil]

What do you mean you want to have fun?!??!?!?!? You must torture yourself like the top 1% of players 😂

[red harbor]

That's the joke...

[finite crag]

I know I know

[smoky anvil]

Hear me out, uv max, fist only

[finite crag]

Exactly, I was just joining in on the fun

Needless to say I still question if I'm playing the game right because of UV Max' prominence, even tho many doom fans have assured me that I should just play how I want.

Doom community seems pretty chill for the most part

wrong

the doom community is like any other game community

aight

[red harbor]

dude just punch yourself at that point

[smoky anvil]

Sunlust on nightmare fist only

[red harbor]

id rather die

[smoky anvil]

Ngl i cant wait to try pistol starting sunlust

Aside from the maps being difficult as fuck, they are nice looking and very well made

I am gonna do tetanus next as i said i would

[clear willow]

any maps that just have a uselessly large amount of hell knights and/or barons?

[smoky anvil]

try playing sunder, almost every map is a slaughter map

and yes there are tons of hell knights

[clear willow]

awesome, thanks

is it dsda doom compatible?

[finite crag]

yes

[clear willow]

sweet

[vale gyro]

maybe Episodes 5 and 6 of Scythe 2

[finite crag]

doom 64 also has a shitton of hell knights and barons lol

tell me bout it

[glad delta]

play okuplok nightmare single segment and fists only (without berserk) and come back here

[smoky anvil]

No deaths?

[glad delta]

Yeah, no deaths single segment

[smoky anvil]

Oof might need to practice a bit

[glad delta]

no save states

[red harbor]

well yeah its single segment

[glad delta]

he might not understood this

mispeled wro m g

[smoky anvil]

Ah, some people do single segment with saves so i was confused lol. I’ll do a few practice runs and get back to you 🤣

[finite crag]

uv plus single segment

i was only able to do a uv plus single segment for doom 2 and nrftl

and i'll argue that its easier than only having fast monsters enabled

I dont think its even possible to do one for plutonia

And for tnt map 28 is literally impossible

[smoky anvil]

I did the og doom on uv single segment ( not episode 4)

But that was a few years ago on my xbox

[finite crag]

ngl og doom single segment is harder than doom 2

[warm prism]

are there any free safe Wads?

i started school and its kinda blocking steam

my mental health depends on whatever i could find

[red harbor]

check the doomworld idgames archive, but we cant help with iwads

[warm prism]

i see

[red harbor]

the doomsworld idgames archive has shareware versions up for grabs though

if that will suffice

[warm prism]

ill check

but theyre safe right?

last thing i need its to fuck my school computer

i wouldve taken my main laptop but most of my classmates are primates and i dont want to risk it

but idk why im venting here

[smoky anvil]

how?

[finite crag]

e4m1

and no ssg to deal with fast pinkies

also og doom levels are more claustrophobic

[smoky anvil]

oh i didnt know we were talking fast enemies

[red harbor]

yeah, especially if you stick to more well known wads. they should all be fine though since wads are just zip files at the end of the day

[onyx shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/hop-on-doom-1993-deathmatch-hop-on-deathmatch-hop-on-gif-11142207695037927806

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-reaction-doom-cacodemon-gif-792118870890486214

[icy umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/cacodemon-caco-pet-cute-doom-gif-18064293408960087153

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/cacodemon-cacodemon-roll-gif-25794206

[icy umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/cacodemon-spinning-doom-gaming-gif-17251429

[glad delta]

don't forget okuplok.wad

[tardy obsidian]

Why cacao demon built like a red meatball???

[pine violet]

When did DOOM 2 start development

[red harbor]

between December 10th, 1993 and October 10th, 1994

[glad delta]

why not

[red harbor]

pain elemental built like a cooked one

[pine violet]

Um alright

Apparently I'm not allowed to send links to the Cutting Room Floor

But John Romero released some sprites that has a pile of dead Marines with a pole sticking out of them

In that pile you can see a Chaingunner

On the side it has the date 93 so I guess the Chaingunner was one of the first new enemies for Doom 2 or was a cut enemy for DOOM 1

[red harbor]

maybe its just links in general? idk

[twin mortar]

No, some links are ok

[torn beacon]

do you have doom bought on steam?

[median cloud]

God I love Waiting For Romero To Play https://youtu.be/TnzRBZd5_uA?si=UPgcLUuus7sprQbJ

Such an ambiant vibe

[smoky anvil]

would it be worth it to install a different source port or no

i have used gzdoom in the past and i never liked it

[vale gyro]

yeah

what you looking for exactly?

[smoky anvil]

close to the og experience but with some modern qol features

[vale gyro]

Woof and Crispy Doom are good picks imo

DSDA-Doom as well

[smoky anvil]

ive heard about prboom+ is that also good?

[vale gyro]

no reason to use PrBoom+ nowadays

I suggest using DSDA-Doom over PrBoom+, as it's a fork of that

[smoky anvil]

i'll look into it a bit more

[vale gyro]

DSDA-Doom probably stays the closest, as it will actually keep even non-demo effecting bugs enabled depending on what complevel you use

Woof and DSDA-Doom give you the most flexibility on what maps you can play

Crispy is just a fork of Chocolate with QoL features and limit removing support

[smoky anvil]

oh also how do the wad files work with the source ports. bc with the doom1 + 2 port you just download and play

[vale gyro]

depends on the port

some will scan your install directory and take from there, but it will usually just default to Doom 2

usually you'd use command lime parameters to change the IWAD you're using, but it'd be easier to use a launcher like ZDL to handle all of that

you'd need to take those IWADs from the base folder and it's subdirectories and shove it into a single folder and direct ZDL to that folder

for PWADs, you can just download from idGames, Doomworld, etc. and add it into your load order in your launcher or use the -file parameter

if you're mental (like me), you could also go out of your way to make your own launcher, but it's not the best idea when you got no clue how a source port handles things

though, a list of launchers I can think of off the top of my head are

• Doom Launcher
• ZDL
• Rocket Launcher

out of those 3, ZDL is probably the most popular as it just works well

though Doom Launcher has some QoL like an idGames frontend

if this seems complicated, it's probably because I'm including every detail I can think of

[hot owl]

... minty doom?

[vale gyro]

Minty Doom is the last thing any person needs lmao

[smoky anvil]

whats minty doom?

[hot owl]

Minty doom.

[vale gyro]

don't ask

[hot owl]

Or nyan doom :D

[vale gyro]

honestly, Nyan Doom adds a ton of features that aren't probably needed in this case

[hot owl]

:[

[vale gyro]

it does add in some extra QoL that DSDA-Doom doesn't have, but is mainly about adding in cool/removed features

but yeah, TL;DR
Check out Crispy, Woof, and DSDA. Use a launcher like ZDL. You can download your PWADs from Doomworld, idGames, and some other places.

[smoky anvil]

Alr i will check those out

I think the main reason i stuck with the doom+doom2 port is just how easy it is to use compared to something like gz doom especially with wads

[vale gyro]

the main issue with it is the fact it's absurdly unstable at best

[finite crag]

gzdoom

[smoky anvil]

Yes and also some of the wads are broken with stock doom 2 map names

[vale gyro]

GZ's not the choice they want in their case

[finite crag]

false

[vale gyro]

they've already stated they disliked it

and on top of that they want a vanilla experience

GZDoom is about as vanilla as mint and chocolate icecream

[smoky anvil]

Who knows i might still have it on my pc somewhere i might try it again

After all i used it years ago when i first started with doom

[finite crag]

they want a classic experience with some qol enhancements

[smoky anvil]

I think gzdoom changes way too much right out of the box

[vale gyro]

GZDoom takes a ton of work to set up to those specifications, however

[finite crag]

just drag and drop pk3

[vale gyro]

... you're missing the point

like I said, it's clear they want vanilla

GZDoom changes way too much for it to even play back demos

[finite crag]

then use dosbox

[vale gyro]

yet again, they also want QoL

[finite crag]

then it isnt vanilla doom anymore

[vale gyro]

and there's several ports that aren't GZ (which they said they dislike) that fit both of those quotas

[vale gyro]

Correct. However, vanilla compatible does exist for a reason.

GZ however, is not vanilla compat by it's design

[smoky anvil]

I was thinking prboom bc decino uses it or something similar to that

[vale gyro]

Decino used to use PrBoom+, but switched to DSDA-Doom as soon as it took over PrBoom+

[smoky anvil]

Ah

[vale gyro]

PrBoom+ isn't updated anymore and its successor is DSDA-Doom

[smoky anvil]

So if i wanted to use modern wads i would have to use dsda-doom then i think

[vale gyro]

or Woof

DSDA-Doom and Woof both support Vanilla, Limit-Removing, Boom, MBF, and MBF21

[finite crag]

choose woof

[vale gyro]

and Woof specifically has near or at least partial ID24 support

DSDA-Doom, however, does have partial UDMF support

though, there's basically no maps made for that format (DSDA-Doom UDMF), so it's somewhat redundant

[finite crag]

only competitive doom players use dsda

[vale gyro]

false

I'm a casual player and use it

[finite crag]

true

[smoky anvil]

Wdym competitive?

[vale gyro]

DSDA-Doom was made for the first half of its name: DSDA

it's inherently a speedrunning port, but can easily be used casually

[smoky anvil]

Ahh

[vale gyro]

with zero changes

it just has some tools speedrunners may find helpful like TAS tools

among other things

as well as viddumping

which (besides PrBoom+) is basically the only major port to have such functionality

[smoky anvil]

Interesting

[vale gyro]

I do vouch for Woof, though

[finite crag]

use woof

[vale gyro]

I used it for a long time (along with a fork for it called Nugget Doom) and loved it

I did recently switch over to DSDA-Doom (specifically a fork called Nyan Doom), though

Woof/Nugget lacked some stuff I wanted

and I'm never in any mood to implement those features myself

[smoky anvil]

I think i will download a bunch of different ports and try them out to see which i like the best

[vale gyro]

that's what you should do tbh

never just try a single port when starting out

with a launcher, it will be easy to try out that many ports at once

as you only need to do some of the setting up once

and can just launch ports willy nilly afterwards

if you need help setting up ZDL, tell me and I can download it and quickly relearn it

[smoky anvil]

Thanks man

[finite crag]

dsda doesnt have colored blood

[vale gyro]

well, it does

but you do need to shove in a Dehacked patch

Nyan Doom does directly have such a feature, however

one of the reasons I chose Nyan over DSDA-Doom when switching from Nugget

[vale gyro]

basically, DSDA-Doom just doesn't have the option to enable it within the config, pretty much

but it does have the support for it

[smoky anvil]

I still have gzdoom lol

Gonna try it out a bit

[vale gyro]

it's a good idea just to have incase you want to play a WAD that needs it

that's what I personally do

though, I touch it like once a year

[smoky anvil]

Gzdoom has its own launcher which is cool

[vale gyro]

the main issue with it is that it's just not fleshed out as well

it's basically just there to select what IWAD you want

which is rarely all you need

[smoky anvil]

Thats pretty cool ngl, makes things simple

[vale gyro]

true

though, I do personally recommend against drag/dropping files with source ports

sometimes it just won't fucking work as you have zero control of load orders

[smoky anvil]

Hmm

Im a few minutes in and it already just feels weird

[smoky anvil]

sunlust is fun

[smoky anvil]

mouselook ruins doom this shit is weird

[smoky anvil]

i guess i am a bit of a purist, i dont like all that new stuff

[vale gyro]

To me that’s just outright cheating

Unless a map is made for that stuff, why even use it?

Jumping and crouching more often than not breaks maps

And mouselook has a chance to trivialize any sort of shootable switches

Realism is nothing when it breaks the game

[smoky anvil]

or the game wasnt desgigned with those things in mind

but yea im a total boomer when it comes to doom lol

[hot owl]

Not really, where does classic doom strive to be realistic anywhere else?

In a game that's not realistic, realism doesn't have a place in it

Also, general game engine limitations

Boy you are 13 you didn’t do shit w classic doom 💀

[smoky anvil]

buddy ur parents havent even thought of making you when doom came out

[hot owl]

Literally

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038130637648965692/1111866589650882620/too_personal.gif

[rose turret]

cap my dad owns id he said you wasnt there

youre getting banned my dad also owns discord

MY DAD OWNS THE UNIVERSE

YOURE GONNA NOT BE LIVING

MY DAD IS YOUR MOM

your dad is my son

[hot owl]

Ah so you're a trumpspawn. Ew.

I need you to reread what you said.

[rose turret]

tell wolverine i said hi

[hot owl]

If your dad owns America [presuming you meant the usa] that means ur dad is trump 💀

[rose turret]

.....

Donald doesnt own america

[hot owl]

Plus you'd be surprised how many trumpies are outside America

[rose turret]

thats not how presidents work

[hot owl]

Yeah well close enough 😭

I'm aware dw

[rose turret]

they dont own countries

[finite crag]

political talk in classic doom channel

[rose turret]

unless we talking about vlad

[hot owl]

That's even worse 💀

[rose turret]

DOOM is very political

[finite crag]

whatever you say kid

[hot owl]

It's a very political game series

Lemme find my rant rq

[rose turret]

DOOM is about a guy who ran a place figthing against a guy who ran another place

ones red one uses blue energy i think

(davoth and the father)

so this game is very very political

[smoky anvil]

doom isnt political at all

its about an angry man fighting demons

[rose turret]

its the most political thing ever

[hot owl]

The main villain in nudoom is a fucking corporate entity

"We killed thousands for the betterment of humanity" wow doesn't that sound similar to the world today

[rose turret]

the argenta people use blue energy

[finite crag]

u guys are delusional as hell

[hot owl]

Even classic doom has hints of anti corporate sentiments

[rose turret]

the demons use red

democrats and republicans boom

[halcyon willow]

Shut up now

[rose turret]

you may need glasses

cuz the giant joke flew over your head

[halcyon willow]

Last warning

[rose turret]

A GAME THEORY

[halcyon willow]

No politics in this server

Don't care

[hot owl]

Mb

[rose turret]

nobody is actaully even being politcial at all?😭

[halcyon willow]

I'm just gonna mute everyone

[rose turret]

he did everything your honor

he burned down the hospital not me

he said that there where demons in it

hes delusional go easy on em we plee insanity

[hot owl]

[rose turret]

(nobody ever even mentioned a single political thing literally most that was said is a president doesnt own a country)

thats call educating 👍

[smoky anvil]

butterfly effect lol

[smoky anvil]

a real ray of sunshine this one

[halcyon willow]

Don't like the rules, you know where the door is

[tropic fractal]

I haz arrived.. just in time to witness some ripping and tearing so it seems.

[smoky anvil]

seems so yea

[tropic fractal]

let it be done.

[rose turret]

The depths of Detroit could not contain me

(Detroit is hell)

[smoky anvil]

Fuckers stole JDrifty cant have shit in detroit

[rose turret]

they stole my empty gum rapper while i was there

mfs reallly do be fiending

[smoky anvil]

They stole my whole house, these crazy mfers

Pull up to the crib and its gone

[rose turret]

bruh they stole my white blood cells

im litterally dead

[smoky anvil]

Fuckers stole my phone, im in lowes typing on a smart fridge rn

[tropic fractal]

Michigan could definitely benefit from a doomguy visit

[onyx shore]

Anyone ever play the secret level in Anaolomy Report? Chaos Redux? Holy moly.

281 enemies.

Echoes Redux

[modern tinsel]

I'm Making A Doom 2 Mod Called Doom in Space II

[smoky anvil]

ngl gzdoom has some cool things going for it

the movement feels really slow and clunky for some reason

chaos redux is the name of a map in the wad anomly report

[quaint raven]

how i supposed to dodge the archvile hitscan attack?

[vale gyro]

wall

[hot owl]

[smoky anvil]

Break his line of sight somehow or get another enemy to hit him and he will focus on them

[finite crag]

Kill it before he has the chance of doing it

[smoky anvil]

its not

use berserk and punch him to death lol

skill issue

[low acorn]

I love doom 1 and 2

[meager sail]

Are there cheat codes in Doom 1993?

[vale gyro]

Yes

[hot owl]

... didn't you say you used codes.

... godmode??

Damn not even IDFKA.

[smoky anvil]

brother no way

[smoky anvil]

just finished up tetanus, great wad

[glad delta]

Idkfa (all weapons, ammo, armor and keys
Idfa (all weapons, ammo, armor. No keys)
Iddqd (god mode)
Idclip (noclip through map)
Iddtd (automap cheat)
IdbeholdX (use the last character to choose a power up, A: Computer area map, S: berserk, I: invisibility and etc)
Idclev (warp to map example, doom 1: idclev12 is e1m2 and doom2 idclev12 is map 12)
idmus (change the current music in-game. Works similar to idclev)
idmypos (show coordinates)
idspispopd (clip through EVERYTHING including umm, everything)
idchoppers (get a chainsaw and 1 millisecond of invul, funny "cheat")

oh and just type this ingame without opening menu

[vale gyro]

Just gonna note that idspispod and idclip are identical. Just noting that the latter was added in Doom 2, while the former is the original cheat.

There’s also some source port specific cheat codes as well

Mainly seen in Boom

Although others have their own specific ones

[twin mortar]

Unless on the KEX port with controller where you need to put it into the cheats menu

For Unity you can just get them all via the cheats menu it's quite handy

Pretty nice list though

[vale gyro]

Too bad they miss some of them

Like I know not all of them are needed, but still

[twin mortar]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_cheat_codes https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Console_Doom_cheats

I suggest just using the DoomWiki

[glad delta]

Yep

[halcyon willow]

idclip also doesn't work on Doom 1 iirc

[vale gyro]

It doesn’t, you’re correct

It however does work in later versions of Ultimate Doom

[zealous galleon]

I beat the doom 2 master levels 😀

[red harbor]

idclip is for doom 2, idspispopd is for doom 1

most source ports let you use both in either game but the original dos games are one or the other