classic-doom

[gusty falcon]

Goody....

[twin mortar]

It's releasing in 3 hours on Steam but it's out now on MS Store, which is weird

[vale gyro]

…why?

If I’m understanding this right, he’s charging 5 dollars for software he didn’t even make?

[gusty falcon]

Exactly

[vale gyro]

Jesus Christ..

[red harbor]

I smell a lawsuit!

[twin mortar]

5 USD better spent on Heretic 😛

[red harbor]

^

Hell, I'm pretty sure it would be more worthwhile to just burn the money

[twin mortar]

Pick up Half-Life: Source on sale for it

[gusty falcon]

Microsoft get on it

[red harbor]

Did so with the Valve Complete Pack when it was on sale for $11 USD

[twin mortar]

More than 5

[vale gyro]

Does Odamex’s license even allow for the sale of forks???

[gusty falcon]

As far as the discussion in the discord goes

No

[red harbor]

I don't use Odamex but probably not

Ngl this reminds me of Doom: Pack 2 (the one where you can buy nothing)

[vale gyro]

Yeah this is 100 gonna end up with a lawsuit

And also even more hate towards AI from this server and from me lmao

[twin mortar]

Good

[vale gyro]

I hope to god the guy gets sued

[gusty falcon]

personally I used to hate ai
Used to

[vale gyro]

I hate it overall

[gusty falcon]

I use it now to help organize messy notes into something more coherent or to understand complex legal documents

It's just a tool at the end of the day the hate should be directed at the people trying to use it maliciously

[vale gyro]

Yeah, people using it as a tool is fine in my eyes

But people using it as a way to make “art” or make programs outside of quick prototypes to get an idea down before main development is what makes me sick

In this case this is where it falls into “I’m too lazy so I’ll make AI do it for me and make money off of it” category

The code’s probably not even safe

[gusty falcon]

Agreed this case is not too far off from asset flips imo

[vale gyro]

I hate AI being used like this

[gusty falcon]

https://github.com/DoomBattleZone/odamex

[vale gyro]

For someone with a complete lack of skills to “make” something

[gusty falcon]

This is their "fork"

Well store bought assets are often used in the same way to make up for skills an independent developer may lack or give them a stronger base to work off of

But the skill part I don't even think should be part of this discussion it's the legality of if they are even allowed to sell it

[vale gyro]

There’s nothing wrong with using libraries/assets to make up for stuff you either can’t do or don’t want to do (basically there’s no point to reinvent the wheel unless it’s for a specific use case)

But in this case yeah, it’s an asset flip but somehow worse

[tropic timber]

Half-Life source is one of my favorite games I have in my library due to the fact that it lets you have the og half-life stuff in Garry’s mod

[twin mortar]

I think it's good because it's bad

[tropic timber]

You can only purchase it via collection though, they removed it as an individual item

[twin mortar]

Correct

[gusty falcon]

This was an analysis of the fork from someone on the server
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/473931297987887106/1294029141204533288/Screenshot_20241010160411_1_1.jpg?ex=6709860d&is=6708348d&hm=271e20c25d6aa27b3d426f43da8c2714693194019338db9d5c5c0442a5e22fe1&

And imo if this is true it wasn't a problem.... until they tried to sell it

[azure nimbus]

AI gets a lot of hate and it's unfortunate that it's not hated more

[vale gyro]

Real

Also web3

[azure nimbus]

Web3.0 basically doesn't exist.

[gusty falcon]

Hating ai really won't do anything because the people making the llms have the deep pockets to weather any riots some of the deepest pockets on the planet

[azure nimbus]

as far as older iterations of the internet go, doomworld holds up the older forum structure that has been larger been overtaken by chatrooms like discord. While discord is good for chats, it's terrible for logging information or key posts

[vale gyro]

Yeah, it’s basically been killed

[gusty falcon]

The people making nfts on the other hand are basically like gamblers who have a very volatile bag of cash that could disappear at any moment the riots from people about that Make their cash bag drop in value ands all but disappear

[gusty falcon]

Deservedly so because it's hard to have a scenario in which buying jpegs isn't a money fleecing scam

[vale gyro]

Artificially Made JPEGs*

[gusty falcon]

Now the main people who use are surprise surprise

Scammers

[finite crag]

Happy birthday Doom II :>

[vale gyro]

:>

[sick yacht]

what is a good way to merge every master levels wad into one ?

[vale gyro]

there's a WAD in Doom + Doom 2 that already has this, actually

[sick yacht]

I know, but I want to do this with the originals

[vale gyro]

you can run it with other source ports as a PWAD

I know it works with Woof/Nugget

I'm not exactly aware of any way to mush all the levels together without using WadSmoosh, which then you need GZDoom

[true current]

So i need help finding a specific wad. I can't remember the name of it, but I know it was a TNT style wad inwhich the first level starts out with an entirely blue room that mimics the icon fight, and has a whole bunch if blue keys. Once you walk backwards, it will teleport you to the normal version if that room with a berzerk pack in the middle.

[red harbor]

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/utils/frontends/zdmlmenu

Idk if it's (G/L)ZDoom exclusive but this is the first thing I thought of

[vale gyro]

it is

reading the text file it says it requires (G)ZDoom

[red harbor]

Goddammit

Well if he doesn't use (G)ZDoom then the KEX wad is his best bet AFAIK

[red harbor]

i will never forgive Sandy Petersen for forcing me to fight 2 cacodemons with only a pistol

i guess i could attempt infighting though

[azure nimbus]

or walk away

yaknow come back later

[red harbor]

true but shells are scarce in E3M1

[azure nimbus]

oh e3m1? Yeah def a slower map

[finite crag]

I think Episode 3 is my least played episode of DOOM I

[median cloud]

Worst episode of doom 1

I prefer it the least out of the commercial wads

[warm palm]

1 was obviously the best imo

[finite crag]

I like the aesthetic but the levels are kinda eh

[median cloud]

Definitely but e2 always had some cool things

E2M6 is great E2M2 as well

Episode 1 has more continuous action tho

[warm palm]

E2M6 caused me much frustration on my first playthrough so I just hate it now

[median cloud]

Its a very suffocating map first time I played it I wanted to beat it asap

Which is rough since the map is a labyrinth

[warm palm]

Could not find the red skull key for the life of me 😭

[median cloud]

On second run you kinda appreciate the feelings the map invoke tho

[warm palm]

It's pretty fun but annoying, there was not really much point for the fake ending too lol

[median cloud]

I wouldnt call it fun haha its just an experience

Like e2m3 for example is just bland

[warm palm]

Worst level is probably e3m2

Horrible

[median cloud]

E3 has many strinkers

[azure nimbus]

nah

e3m2 is good

[red harbor]

agreed

[median cloud]

Good is an overstatement

Just not the worst map ig I dislike e3m1 more

[twin mortar]

I like E3M7

[median cloud]

And e3m5 is probably the worst doom 1 map

Unholy cathedral can suck it

[warm palm]

[finite crag]

Slough of Despair

[true current]

Anyone know what i'm talking about?

Or did i dream this?

[tacit remnant]

Slough of Despair is mostly okay. A bit of a difficulty spike, and lost souls are infuriating, but it’s a neat concept. Even though the whole level uses stone textures the first half feels like fighting through a small forest to me

[finite crag]

That's fair

I don't remember much of Episode 3, I did like that one level with the big FIREBLU building

I think it was Mt. Erebus that had it idk

[tacit remnant]

Yeah that was Mt Erebus

[finite crag]

I enjoyed that level

It's also the only one I can really remember from E3

For whatever reason

[tacit remnant]

I like Slough of Despair (except the ending), House of Pain is alright, that first e3 level is a bit tight on ammo but is otherwise neat, the cathedral is terrible, Mt Erebus feels too much like a city level for my liking, Limbo is garbage, the big castle level is pretty neat, the spiderdemon boss is whatever. Overall I’d call episode 3 a mixed bag

[finite crag]

Limbo is pretty bad

[tacit remnant]

In general I think Doom 1’s first episode is competent but too samey and I dislike techbases, Episode 2 is mostly good with 1 or 2 really bad levels, Episode 3 is a mix of fairly good levels and truly terrible ones

[finite crag]

Thy Flesh Consumed/Episode 4 is pretty good but a pain in the ass

[tacit remnant]

Episode 4 would be great if it weren’t a moderately difficult episode on an otherwise very easy wad

[twin mortar]

The difficulty is the greatness imo. Whenever I play E4M6 on UV I always end up feeling accomplished when I finish it

[finite crag]

It's good, just a lot more difficult

[tacit remnant]

Yeah it’s still good but it feels out of place imo. Also Doom 1’s lack of mid tier demons besides cacos really hurts it

[misty loom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1271210323944145019/1294379051120721971/20241011151949_1.jpg?ex=670acbee&is=67097a6e&hm=a97ecb59b011bcd7e8d74877941670c6a4219338e520d3c23e37cc38923b6925&

they kept the funny ceiling in the kex version

idk if this existed in the unity version

[red harbor]

9. FUCKING. HEALTH. BONUSES.

[vale gyro]

FIVE. BULLETS. LEFT.

[finite crag]

ONE. HP. LEFT.

[misty loom]

the 34857239524 barons in both e4m1 and e4m2 as well:

[finite crag]

That number squared cacos in E4M2

[misty loom]

after that the difficulty largely fucks off until about e4m6

also

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/602067256079286283/1294392930705866795/Untitled_video_3.mp4?ex=670ad8db&is=6709875b&hm=d0998e19471d7115c77cc4c5b7213c53511d9401120a068e826ae0e4954b22f3&

[finite crag]

where is that

[misty loom]

map24 or chasm, right after you get the red key im pretty sure

[finite crag]

Ah

[misty loom]

you can rocket boost to skip over the rest of the ledges you have to cross over otherwise but its fairly hard to do

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855626364853288970/1294394788107391006/2024-10-11_16-22-01.mp4?ex=670ada96&is=67098916&hm=88203a3ea855a5f2e94f73d98708c38e677ec95b92af09ecadf0ca5b3f67905a&

curse of doom linedefs can be activated anywhere from any height

[finite crag]

DOOM moment

[celest coyote]

Doom is good

[finite crag]

Agreed

[vast reef]

at least slough of despair looks cool in the automap

[azure nimbus]

people who dislike e3m2 dont' know that you can click on the shotgunner closet to lower their platform and grab the shotguns

[cedar fjord]

Hello Doom Discord, maybe someone here can help me out?

I'm currently looking for a version of the Doom 1 DOS Start Screen without the id software and copyrights in the bottom right while keeping to the current 320x240 dimensions.
https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Title_screen?file=Doom-1-.gif

It's for a non-profit fan project, but I don't want to go into any details due to the No Advertising rules here

[azure nimbus]

see if you can find anything like that in doom + doom2's new Id vault

[cedar fjord]

Where can I find said vault?

[azure nimbus]

buy the game. If you already have it, open the game. If you already have it and have opened the game but do not see the idvault, then you have an older version but are entitled to a free install doom + doom2 on steam

[cedar fjord]

Ah ok got it, thanks 🙂

[red harbor]

i'll never understand why people would like Brutal Doom over Standard, but i do enjoy it if i want to headcanon as somebody meant to extract survivors, recover data, and most importantly, neutralize all affected individuals

wait Brutal Doom just makes it into the Doom movie

[vale gyro]

yeah, I never got it as well

but people prefer different things and I'll respect that

[red harbor]

same

[sick yacht]

Download doom + doom 2. It’s on the menus

[jade solstice]

Do they know about the bug for losing all weapons in co op even with modern co op enabled

It worked fine before but now I just lose everything and it’s obnoxious lol
Ironically I don’t lose ammo. Just weapons

It doesn’t even give the indicator for a teammate being dead anymore I don’t think either (to respawn them if in combat)

[median cloud]

Eviternity 2 map 26 is a pain in the ass

[azure nimbus]

portals is really the next thing I'd like to learn about

[median cloud]

Okay I finally beat that level

jeez

[warm palm]

is TNT and Plutonia worth playing?

[tame crest]

i'm playing TNT, it's fun. doing it on UV though. you might get lost at some parts though

[median cloud]

Plutonia definitely but TNT as well imo

Tnt on first playthrough can be a bit annoying

And plutonia a bit difficult

[tame crest]

this indeed

[median cloud]

Im playing through tnt again now though and I like most of the maps

[tame crest]

i hate that one pit... why stick a hazmat suit in there and not have a button to get me out, especially if there is a rising pillar in the middle

[median cloud]

which one you talking about?

[tame crest]

i think it was MAP17?

[median cloud]

You can get out of the poison pit there

the platform of the blue key can be lowered

[tame crest]

yeah, but i couldn't strafe out of it. had to use noclip to get out of it because iirc, i saved after i got the keycard (blame the revenants and stuff for that).

either way, that's in the past, and i've gotten further. really love the level design though, looks pretty. a pro of having sectors, is that you can set the lighting for that sector to whatever you like, and that can make for some nice convincing appearances for outside areas and what not

[median cloud]

ah yeah the pathway only gets there after pushing the switch I think

[jade solstice]

There’s an eviternity 2? Good to know
I’ve been playing what I guess is the first one a bit and I’ve been loving it

[median cloud]

I prefer the first one, second one a bit harder as well

Im now at map 27

so 4 more to go

[jade solstice]

Yeah that’s how I feel w BTSX too

Do you guys get an error when trying to load the mod menu sometimes- like it won’t sign you in

[vale gyro]

It’s apparently down right now anyways

To actually answer your question, well I can’t as I don’t use KEX

[little oar]

I can answer, just tried myself and yeah it isn't working here either

[lapis wolf]

Since I prefer BTS X E2. I'd probably prefer Eviternity 2 lmao

[jade solstice]

I submitted a support ticket for this and I got a copy paste reply from Bethesda with:

Press the [Xbox] button on your controller to return to the Home screen.
Press the [Menu] button on your controller select quit and press [A] to close DOOM Eternal.
Select DOOM Eternal from the home screen and press [A] to restart.

Bro not even talking about eternal lol

[unique wyvern]

Might ask here for some help, so for school next Tuesday I need some classic DOOM themed sketches for class and the exercise needs to be done in a black mass style like sin city so can anyone give me some ideas because I’m kinda blocked, tell me some experience you had something cool you’d thought or even parts of a level

I have already done 2

[finite crag]

I have something terrible to admit my fellow classic Doom players, I couldn’t stand playing anymore classic Doom due to the level design of the master levels, thus I have moved forward to Doom 64 in my quest to beat all Doom games

If I do, I can always come back and beat the master levels along with the rest of the expansions like TNT and such

[azure nimbus]

I really encourage you to try custom stuff. Don't let the MLs dissuade you from the massive amount of high quality content that dedicated fans have made

[tacit remnant]

The Master Level’s existence is unfortunate

There’s a ton of good content though. My take on the remaining official content:
TNT is okay if you don’t mind long levels with questionable pacing,
Plutonia is fairly hard but quite good and kind of the core gateway to advanced classic Doom
Sigil is a challenge but captures the feeling of Doom 1’s best levels with a stronger aesthetic,
No Rest For The Living is like the early Doom 2 levels but a bit better designed and a bit more intense,
Legacy of Rust is divisive. Some people like it and some don’t. I’m not sure which camp I’m in yet as I’m still in the early levels (note: LoR is probably the hardest official Doom release by a significant margin)

[jade solstice]

Btw how do you know it’s down
Is there a site or something

[gusty falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/473931297987887106/1294724985562071092/Screenshot_2024-10-12-14-13-14-603.jpg?ex=670c0e1b&is=670abc9b&hm=e440703d62f650e36508802b2d923daf800d57917f4fb02695fb51df8bf7cd5e&

I don't think I'll grow tired of feedback like this when you shoot something with a shot gun

But in other news tolerance training is going alright I have to lay down sideways while doing it to minimize the effects

And I have to use a couple of other mods I would normally not out of necessity

An aim assist mod to snap me onto things so that my aim stays steady ( a draw back of gyro aim is the jittery movements if you can't keep your hands steady)
and quickly adjusts to make up for the really low sensitivity and a dash mod to make up for the speed loss by having to have always run off ( because the run toggle and sprint don't work with analog inputs)

I also have to map the center view key

I started using other wads but doom 1 just seemed like a good pick because of the familiarity with the levels I have

[vale gyro]

Other reports of it being down from some people

Don’t know if there’s a site, I just use idGames for everything due to me using a source port

[warm palm]

Found it too hard 😭

[tame crest]

DOOM is a horror game, i just had a heart attack after a hell knight walked infront of me

[vale gyro]

lmao

[tame crest]

and the revenants... easy to kill, but always give you a heart attack as well

[vale gyro]

yeah

also, they're my least favorite enemy in the game thanks to Scythe 2

[proper ether]

Wait how are you playing doom on mobile ?

[twin mortar]

Better question: Why with texture filtering

[proper ether]

And the UI

[twin mortar]

Nah, I dislike simple UIs but it makes sense on mobile

It'd block out like 10% of the screen otherwise

[proper ether]

Mmmm yea that makes sense, never played emu on mobile

[median cloud]

Just gotta get better

[misty loom]

oh my god

master levels has a map that doesnt suck ass and is actually pretty fun and fairly challenging

(level 10 or black tower)

[gusty falcon]

Delta touch

It's not an emulator though it's running natively

[gusty falcon]

Honestly I admit I can't tell on that small screen 😅

[misty loom]

and then master level 11 is pretty ass because it doesnt mark the doors

[gusty falcon]

Delta touch is Also how I have gyro aim at all because the phone can't use my controller's gyro

For reference this is what I'm playing on because it makes it easier to use the phones gyro

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/473931297987887106/1294759568483815464/IMG_20240709_205259.jpg?ex=670c2e50&is=670adcd0&hm=18d098dee0215a4faafc1e7080f747a6cc1171a5f154eeb78c81646be5b67466&

[misty loom]

might wanna check out map 10 of master levels, i found it actually pretty good

its cryptic sometimes but doesnt feel like it was from incompetent design like plenty of other maps

[vale gyro]

what would be considered map10 in the original way of playing?

[misty loom]

black tower

i'm assuming most people here are at least using the KEX port now since thats the newest and most official way of playing doom

[gusty falcon]

The UI is actually bd22s default UI 🤔

[vale gyro]

oh I hated Black Tower

the combat was fun but the map in general was bullshit

[misty loom]

never had much issues with it even on UV, the map expects you to use the BFG so use it

oh my god

[gusty falcon]

I still feel pain that mtpain 27 decided to subject himself to the whole thing not once but twice for his review of it

The master levels

[misty loom]

map 11 (virgil's lead) has a switch hidden behind a wall that might as well be considered a secret wall, and you need to hit that switch to reveal a yellow key

[vale gyro]

yeah, I wasn't referring to the combat at all

I mean with how cryptic it is

I required the Wiki to beat it

[misty loom]

i never really got lost aside from maybe the second floor, but as long as you pay attention to the automap you can figure out what to do relatively quickly

the crypticness doesnt seem to be from incompetent design at least which is a fairly common thing in master levels

i have no idea how the hell you were supposed to get the yellow key in level9 or the garrison so i did a weird jump over a ledge to get it, i feel like i cheesed the map

if that was the intended solution to jump from one of the steps of the stairs to the railings and then drop down, it sucks

oh my god, i got the red key and the automap in virgil's lead and i still dont know where im supposed to go

apparently you have to go into the archvile cage, lock yourself in, and then hit a switch on a specific wall for the door to open

wait what

i step on the teleporter and the map just ends, i didnt even use the red key anywhere

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/602067256079286283/1294763341499072595/20241012164655_1.jpg?ex=670c31d4&is=670ae054&hm=4eccf07bbf6561c29caa8eee11493aee0243a4425d1c507f19ede2f59970557e&

time to prepare thyself

[misty loom]

level was pretty decent

[misty loom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855626364853288970/1294779680267698246/20241012175154_1.jpg?ex=670c410b&is=670aef8b&hm=8a5bc432739f883ed4f337324435dba07f045b11651bfed5b30e487666a72cfd&

what the fuck is this room

i died a ton of times to it because it stacks like 2 billion traps on

i get obliterated by 3248957295 chaingunners and revenants

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/602067256079286283/1294781420455329802/2024-10-12_17-57-16.mp4?ex=670c42aa&is=670af12a&hm=8527fa90bcf7469404cc4a7e5c9ab6ca6b674bbf3b66823b5909205806ca457b&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855626364853288970/1294782598274482196/2024-10-12_18-03-20.mp4?ex=670c43c3&is=670af243&hm=68e445a8fe269d562174005738031c1fa90533fee4e15760cef6f62e6751bee1&

how are you supposed to know that there is a ledge you can walk on

oh my god the yellow keycard is here too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855626364853288970/1294783555536158862/2024-10-12_18-07-10.mp4?ex=670c44a7&is=670af327&hm=984c4290cb23bc8b319e3543436a7f6573e8ea23637aeebfd385b1c6b09398ca&

oh my god vesperas is the worst master level map ever made

the blockmap bug also happens with the imp on the bottom of the elevator

and because melee attacks dont check the Z axis you will get clawed regardless of what you do

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/602067256079286283/1294787084552376370/2024-10-12_18-20-23.mp4?ex=670c47f0&is=670af670&hm=f038205fc3de3b14cb3e208f515bc4449edd5732e1849a8d058c3f445065ac15&

this is some fucky level design

[azure nimbus]

I will give a bounty of "oh cool thanks" to anyone who can figure out how to get the secret on sector 1085(deep into the white section) of TQC(The Quinary Condundrum) map29

[misty loom]

why does pressing a wall lower the platform allowing you to press a switch to then progress to another switch on titan manor also turn the outside fullbright

[gusty falcon]

Because the Master levels weren't made with logic in mind

[limpid tendon]

where are the achievements stored file for DOOM + II on steamdeck

[dusky badger]

i combined that mod and my house together and created a monster

[red harbor]

By that mod do we mean HDDoom?

[dusky badger]

ye

[red harbor]

Yeah no I'm deleting that before mods see

[dusky badger]

ok

[median cloud]

@misty loom master levels are the worst Doom has to offer

Only goes up from there

[twin mortar]

DOOM: Annihilation

[red harbor]

Forget Ravenholm, we don't go THERE.

[red harbor]

E4M1 on Nightmare: Am I a joke to you?

[twin mortar]

It's managable on BFG Edition Nightmare

[red harbor]

well yeah no shit it's the fucking BFG edition

master levels are probably bareable on there too

[twin mortar]

There's no MLs in BFG

What makes you say that though?

[red harbor]

huh i never knew that

well my argument is void then

[lunar rune]

The Master Levels aren't bad because of difficulty, they're bad because a lot of them just look atrocious and the puzzles are cryptic as hell

[red harbor]

True

[azure nimbus]

having played through doom1 recently, I might've had more trouble way back when on nightmare e4m6, but on uv, e4m1 was way harder than uv e4m6

[median cloud]

I dont judge doom maps by their nightmare difficulty

[misty loom]

i decided to take a detour from doing whatever the hell is left of the master levels to do germanpeter's sandy megawad

[limpid tendon]

What I meant was, where are the achievements for the GoG version stored, I want to start over...

My OCD is killing me

[coarse fiber]

please accept my friend request kainden i really need it!

kaiden

be me frend

pls

[misty loom]

i dont think you need it and also i dont know you

[coarse fiber]

im gonna cry i swear

[misty loom]

okay

[coarse fiber]

YAY

[misty loom]

that was an "i dont really care" okay, not a "fine im doing it" okay

[coarse fiber]

owie

[misty loom]

sorry man, but i dont really know you and you likely dont know me so im not just accepting a random request

[coarse fiber]

understandable

[misty loom]

not to mention i usually think im being scammed when someone i dont know randomly sends me a request because 90% of the time its for exactly that

[coarse fiber]

i sent you a request because i liked your pfp really

but not problem

can you tell me what floor alignment and ceiling alignment does?

[misty loom]

im not a doom mapper either, i just mostly play the official doom wads and rarely a couple of other custom wads

[coarse fiber]

dang

[twin mortar]

Ask in #classic-doom-maps-mods

[coarse fiber]

thx Lamar

[twin mortar]

No problem, weird creature from Undertale

[coarse fiber]

Deltarune

[twin mortar]

Whatever

[coarse fiber]

same thing same

[finite crag]

Any good mod to improve mod replayability ? The only one that i know is corruption card, but are there any other one ?

[tacit remnant]

Like to make the iwads more replayable, or to make other mods more replayable?

[finite crag]

make the iwads more replayable

[tacit remnant]

In that case, have you played pistol start, UV+ (meaning co-op items and enemies are enabled), or nightmare? If you’ve not already done those then I suggest that before mods, but if you still want mods I guess you could try one of the mods that changes weapon properties?

[misty loom]

i really should pistol start more maps, started doing it with germanpeter's into sandy's cities megawad today and its been pretty fun

[spice radish]

There’s a mod that turns Doom into a roguelike called Doom Infinity or something like that

[misty loom]

oh my god do not play to map 15 of the into sandy's cities megawad

you will die from going home

[spice radish]

Also check out Reelism 2

[vale gyro]

isn't Reelism it's completely own thing map-wise?

[spice radish]

Isn’t that what they wanted?

Oh wait nvm

I have misunderstood the question

[opaque rose]

have you guys seen the doom 3 that came out?

[vale gyro]

playing through Arceon again, on map06 and I'm lost

so gotta figure out where to go lol

[opaque rose]

Man TEETH has sufficiently kicked my ass how am I supposed to do this

[red harbor]

Is it bad that I kinda did this first try on accident just fucking around in the Master Levels (UV btw)

[opaque rose]

how i envy you

[outer badge]

have you played Black Tower yet?

[opaque rose]

yeah

[vestal flower]

Whats good

[oblique tulip]

nothing

[red harbor]

Even got the secret exit

[gusty falcon]

Typist is the only mod in my collection I can still play on my tablet with my old keyboard and mouse setup but it seems even that movement gets to me now

Are there any settings in gz doom to lower the speed of keyboard turning?

I'm finding ones for the mouse but not the keyboard

[gusty falcon]

Or if not any settings any mods that would give me easy in game access to the settings to do so

[gusty falcon]

Okay I think I found something

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/141602-crudely-built-turning-mod-gzdoom-controllerkeyboard/#

For anyone wondering why I play a mod as odd as typist ... I'm an author

And yes I play the game the mod is inspired by for the same reason

😅

[opaque rose]

finally beat teeth

i had to cheese the end with iddqd cuz the archies started making ghosts

[tacit remnant]

Oh no

[misty loom]

I think you can kill those with blast damage from rocket launchers or melee from other monsters

Either way still annoying to have around

[tacit remnant]

Yeah the rocket launcher splash damage can still get them. Btw “TEETH” is in reference to the Master Level “The Express Elevator to Hell”, right?

[opaque rose]

Correct

Also I know splash damage gets em but it’s in such tight areas I can’t risk using it

[tacit remnant]

Fair enough

[stark plume]

Whats that do?

[azure nimbus]

looks like a technical mod to improve turning. Check out the details if you're interested in that sort of thing

[finite crag]

Hiya

[finite crag]

Hand Fair

[opaque rose]

finally at the end of the master levels, with Mephisto's Maosoleum

not sure how to do the inside area first time

also damn bloodsea keep was such a fun map

i died a lot but still in the end did it single-segment, something i can say for like teeth

[median cloud]

Why do icon of sin maps love spawning archviles against me

I thought that chance was low

[finite crag]

It is

[opaque rose]

inssane rng

[misty loom]

Meanwhile both of my last 2 icon of sin fight never really spawned archviles, pain elementals, or revenants

It was just the enemies that are never really that threatening in a icon of sin map

Even in the 2nd icon of sin fight that was on a different map where I had to figure out how to access the brain, that took a while

[median cloud]

I had arches on the doom 2 icon of sin fight and the tnt last call fight

also pain elementals with the latter

[misty loom]

Yeah, they suck to get

I usually spam bfg if those show up since they’re threatening enough that they can end a run

[azure nimbus]

the best feature of the icon of sin is that loading a save could crash your game back on DOS

[misty loom]

oh fuck

i got an archvile to revive a ghost pain elemental in TNT revilution map04

then proceeded to die

i got insanely unlucky there

[median cloud]

Ghost elemental isnt possible ?

I thought

[misty loom]

its possible if the pain elemental is crushed while its dying

the arch vile can then revive its crushed corpse

[median cloud]

Damn

Unlucky

[misty loom]

and i managed to get exactly that to happen somehow

[tacit remnant]

That’s an impressive level of misfortune

[azure nimbus]

You're right to be suspicious as pains don't normally leave a corpse. For an archvile to ressurect a monster needs a revive state. For absolutely no reason since they don't leave corpses, pain elementals do. This means that the only way for those frames to be used is in a glitch

[misty loom]

pain elemental does have a revive state

but its in a really weird situation where it doesnt have a corpse

so therefore crushers exist because they will turn dying enemies into crushed giblets

not just fully dead enemies, dying enemies too

[oblique plaza]

The best Doom 2 megawad ever? a) Scythe 2 2005, b) Hellbound 2013, c) Nova 3 2019, d) Shallow World 2022, e) Scorching Earth 2024, f) Evil Returns 2024, g) other

[azure nimbus]

Scythe2 might be the most influential after plutonia

[median cloud]

I've never heard of d, e and f lol

Can't really call them the best ever when I haven't heard of them

Maybe Eviternity can be added to that list or Plutonia 2

[azure nimbus]

maybe add another thousand wads

[median cloud]

I dont think there are that many "best ever" contenders

[finite crag]

I've only heard of scythe 2 ;-;

[azure nimbus]

nova is a more esoteric exploration focused set

others idk lol

[median cloud]

For the people who played through Eviternity 2, what are the top 3 hardest maps?

[oblique plaza]

Shallow World 2022? not really a megawad, about 10 maps only. the best tech/base maps. Scorching Earth 2024: Hellbound visuals, great lighting, some technical problems tho (fps drops in 3 maps, HOMs fixable only by running HW rendering). Evil Returns 2024: medium details, great ride/flow/combat. BFG slaughter from map 15 onwards tho

[celest coyote]

New bms episode out

[lunar rune]

Ancient Aliens imo is also really great, really fun gameplay as well, the only map I didn't like from the entire set was map31

I just beat Plutonia 2 and it was unbelievably fun, some maps' starts specifically made me rage but I got through them quickly

[halcyon willow]

Archviolence

[oblique plaza]

Plutonia 2 2008? I think it looks too oldschool

[lunar rune]

Easily one of my favourites with Go 4 It and Ticket to Eternity

[lunar rune]

Oh no I was just saying I finished it, gameplay wise it could definitely be up there

[median cloud]

Damn no idea what my fav pl2 map is

Gonna think about that one

Dont think I ever even finished map 29

20 or 25 were fun

[halcyon willow]

you have fine taste

[misty loom]

i will see if i can make a doom map or something now so i gotta figure out editor shit

[sick yacht]

An hypothetic question: can you send your doom wads bought on steam, to someone else and then someone else donwloads a source port and play ?

[azure nimbus]

no

[sick yacht]

Im asking the possibility, not actually if you can do that

[median cloud]

Ya the wad files are somewhere located on ur pc

But it’s illegal so yeah

[sick yacht]

Why do old games have that control where you go forward and backwards with w and s, turn with a and d and another button to go sideways ?

I know ms dos computers didnt have a mouse back then, only mac os. But even medal of honor on the ps1, with two analog sticks does that

[vale gyro]

Actually, DOS computers did have mice

Just it wasn’t as common

Heck, the mouse driver was built into MS-DOS

It just had to be enabled

[sick yacht]

Hum

Are those what people call “tank controls” ?

[vale gyro]

Yeah

[finite crag]

It's difficult isn't it?

[vale gyro]

Also btw, it wasn’t default to WASD, it was default to arrow keys, ctrl, space, and alt

Along with , and . as dedicated strafe keys

[finite crag]

that felt really weird to me

[vale gyro]

I can actually comfortably play like that

Anyways I need to leave

[sick yacht]

Yeah, forgot it was the arrows

I think I can play this way too, but I can’t move fast

It’s hard

[azure nimbus]

that is not what tank controls are. Tank controls would preclude you from moving sideways. Think about how RE4-2005 Leon can't strafe left and right. Doom always had mouse support. Even the original demos that ran with the game were done on mice. The original setup.exe file (that people seem to have ignored) let you choose your controls for movement as well as whether you use a mouse or even some trashy 1993 controller.

I suggest you give Doom on DOS a try. Not necessarily the best experience per se, but it's a decent way to feel out for yourself what the original game could and couldn't do. The map looks kinda ugly but it controls the same, more or less

[winged lichen]

Out of curiosity, is there a working file for the Beyond Hell and Earth pack??? I've heard of it since I was in Jr High and never got to play it cause links got taken down

[oblique plaza]

bms episode?

[celest coyote]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/144302-boom-body-mind-spirit-bms_rc2wad/ 😌

[halcyon willow]

Doom's original control scheme was the arrow keys for forwards/back and tune left/right. You had to hold alt and then an arrow key to strafe (this is what allows for the SR50 move speed, you can double strafe run)

[red harbor]

the real question is why the hell does vertical mouse movement exist

[celest coyote]

I use it for more precise movement

[azure nimbus]

I use it for less precise movement (making my movement worse)

[sharp latch]

https://youtu.be/BLKPGyumNZg

[finite crag]

#videos

[sick yacht]

Those old controls don’t make any sense

We should be glad of Halo CE changing that, at least on console

One stick for movement, one stick for camera

[tacit remnant]

So the reason you can’t do vertical mouse movement in vanilla Doom is because the engine can’t really render that in a way that isn’t extremely cursed (source ports like Z Doom use more modern rendering)

[twin mortar]

Back then there wasn't really any 'definitive' control scheme, stuff was still experimental

[vale gyro]

Vertical mouse movement is painful

[twin mortar]

Heretic uses an upgraded engine that has good freelook

[tacit remnant]

That’s true, but Doom isn’t using that version of the engine

[twin mortar]

I think it's amazing but I do not want DOOM to use it

[twin mortar]

That's correct, just felt like throwing in a fun fact that (almost) everyone knows lol

[tacit remnant]

Okay

One thing I like about classic Doom is that (on m/kb) aiming is very easy so the focus shifts to movement and tactical thinking even at beginner level play

Adding vertical aiming kinda makes it a little harder to aim overall

[lunar rune]

Honestly I have it enabled when playing GZDOOM because I basically only play maps that require it

[twin mortar]

DOOM is not designed for vertical aiming in mind anyway so that's my main reason for not using it

[lunar rune]

Same here

[celest coyote]

Neckbrace gang

[tacit remnant]

Yeah vertical mouselook on by default is one reason I rarely use GZDoom (also the movement in that port feels really off imo). Other than how it affects aiming, I also don’t like how vertical mouselook makes sprites look so much like cardboard cutouts; when you’re always seeing them straight on it’s easier to not think of them as flat

[vale gyro]

Yeah, the movement is quite off

[azure nimbus]

Sometimes it even converts what would be fine motor skill aiming to a movement question. Say enemies are far away, or they're too close to auto aim. It also makes shooting the ground with BFG not a thing you can do that'd be pretty silly

[halcyon willow]

because in the original game, the mouse replaced the key board. so moving your mouse forward and back had the same input as the arrow keys

fun fact: this is still used by speed runners for precision movement

[elfin ridge]

is doom 1+2 gonnja get its bugs fixed ever 😭

kindif sick of losing 20 minutes of progress and secret hunting to the game crashing everytime i exit a level

because bethesda somehow managed to fuck up a 30 year old game thats been on everything forever

i actually literally cannot progress to the next level because EVERY TIME i exit the level it crashes

the only solution is to just get a refund at this point lolll

[vale gyro]

you on PC?

[elfin ridge]

ofc

[vale gyro]

you can just use a source port if you aren't already

[elfin ridge]

i was but i wish the product i paid 10 dollars for actually functioned

[vale gyro]

true

I got it for free due to owning Doom 1 previously

but I get what you mean

bullshit it's in the state that it is in

[elfin ridge]

took me 14 minutes to exit a level because everytime i try it crashes

and i do it once and it crashes 15 seconds into the next level

ITS A 30 YEAR OLD GAME

HOW DO YOU COLLECT A GROUP OF DEVELOPERS SO BRAINDEADDDD

[vale gyro]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[azure nimbus]

John Carmack and Team TNT really are heros for providing the source code and then making one of the earlier doom ports that still has massive influence today in boom

[red harbor]

Because the good devs thought the sound of Bethesda's email coming in was just the wind

[red harbor]

"massive influence" It's why we have good custom levels at all (not hating on pre-boom maps, I'm just saying boom is that good)

[mortal hound]

Uhmmm hello?

[celest coyote]

Yo

[dusky badger]

why dont the steam achievements disable when using cheats?

[lunar rune]

Genuinely no idea I got every achievement in hours

[vale gyro]

At least before they added the menu, it disabled when using some cheats iirc

[dusky badger]

I was just messing around on icon of sin and got a lot of achievements

[oblique tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-pog-gif-22171410

sup chat

[lunar rune]

I wonder where this guy went

[coarse igloo]

quick question about the newest doom remaster:
Its still 35 tickrate game right? the 60fps or whatever they advertise it, is still just the render fps, but gameticks is still 35?

[vale gyro]

It should be?

Usually ports emulate frames

I should mention it’s mouse sense is weirdly tied to the frame rate

[coarse igloo]

I mean wouldve been cool idea for a remaster to make the game animations,physics etc in e.g. 60 ticks
But probably its just a new sourceport rather than a remaster with improved engine

[vale gyro]

The higher the FPS, the lower the sense

[vale gyro]

It would break the timing of many maps

And also enemies and physics

As well as weapons

[coarse igloo]

thats really strange. This is not happening on all available sourceports (gzdoom, prboom and what not)

[vale gyro]

To be fair that port has several issues

Mainly with the mod menu and mod compatibility

[coarse igloo]

but why? My idea was to add new spriteframes so at the end you have the same time due to more frames, but a more smooth animation of everything

[vale gyro]

The whole game is completely based on that 35 TPS

Assuming they just decided to increase the TPS, anything dependent on the TPS would break

Seeing that the states are called more often, enemies would speed up and RNG in turn would be also called a ton

It’d massively break demo compatibility

As the RNG would be completely broken

Also there’s the possibility map elements like lifts would break

Also stairbuilders possibly

[coarse igloo]

yes, I meant to add entire new sprites to a) keep the timing and b) have more smooth animation,especially SSG (similar effect like smooth doom/beautiful doom)
the rest would just need a delta time for fixed time or not?
but yes I probably see it too simple 😄

[azure nimbus]

After watching a speedrunner's video on the PAL vs NTSC versions of super mario bros, the takeaway was that "changing framerate fundamentally changes the game. Physics have to be altered in a case-by-case way to as closely match as possible but it'll never be exact.

[coarse igloo]

ok. Just wouldve been way too nice to see how doom would look at higher ticks^^

[azure nimbus]

if you have the game on pc, you can play on custom source ports that support unbounded framerate. For an older game with limited resoluiton and physics, lots of computers can hit the 200s. These extra frames, as far as I can tell, are generally done by graphical interpolation. Only the true 35 Hz physics frames actually affect gameplay

[cursive saddle]

Anyone here like brutal doom?

[oblique plaza]

is it better than Voyage Infernal gore/weapons mod? I like the juicy Voyage Infernal fatalities

[oblique plaza]

Sprites: Possible to somehow use the new Harkubus sprites from MEDB monster pack to reskin regular/og Mancubi in whatever map I am going to play pls? Thanks.

using Slade maybe?

[tacit remnant]

I’ve never cared for Brutal Doom. The added gore feels kind of pointless and frankly looks bad. This isn’t squeamishness mind you; it’s animated differently (and imo more poorly) from the old gore and it’s distracting, I think because the framerate is different. The additional weapons and such seem kind of redundant and sloppy to me as the original arsenal is quite complete in itself. If it were replacing certain weapons I’d understand but they just added more on top

[coarse igloo]

The gore looks actually great

The wall blood i prefer from project brutality 2 though

[oblique plaza]

the gore looks awesome in Voyage Infernal

[noble fractal]

:(

[warm palm]

Gore looks amazing, more gore is more fun doom

Atleast how i see it

[twin mortar]

I'm not a fan of Brutal DOOM. In fact, I would say I dislike it

[warm palm]

i think its fun, i like to rip and tear

[unique wyvern]

I need help

It doesn’t let me start session on Doom + Doom 2 in my PlayStation

I want to play the wads

[vale gyro]

From my limited knowledge of whatever language that screenshot was in, I could tell the servers are probably down.. again

[unique wyvern]

Ohh

I’ll try again

Is it common?

Ooh I’m in

[vale gyro]

Yeah, quite so apparently

If you were on PC I’d just tell you to use a source port

But well, you’re on console sadly

[unique wyvern]

Well it works for me now

But it crashes away and closes my game

I wanted to try my house wad

[vale gyro]

You can’t play it on this port

It requires GZDoom to be played along with Brutal Doom among other mods

The fact people are still trying to upload it is insane

[unique wyvern]

I see

So what mods I can play?

The most downloaded ones?

[vale gyro]

More than likely those are the ones that work

It’s trial and error

[unique wyvern]

I see

Now I’m aware about this stuff thank you

[vale gyro]

I’m not versed well in the official ports as I don’t use them

So I may be wrong with how to find a working mod

But I’d assume the most downloaded ones would work

[unique wyvern]

So I notice the mods I downloaded in my switch still are on the ps5 ver

I wonder if it happens the opposite

I will download a west themed one from the ps5 and see if I can play it in my switch

[compact pawn]

Have an air fryer

[cedar fjord]

Oh sorry

I wasn't aware external images weren't allowed

[compact pawn]

Yeah well I still liked it

But hey you are great

[cedar fjord]

You're great too 😄

[vale gyro]

they are if used in context and not spammed

it's best to use them sparingly, however

[atomic dust]

is there any way to perhaps play just the final level of each campaign just to get the achievements for beating them in the remaster?

[compact pawn]

I don’t think so pal

[vale gyro]

yep

that's literally how I got them

[atomic dust]

I don't want to replay every previous campaign just to get the achievements for beating them

Ultimate Doom, Doom II, TNT, Plutonia, Master Levels

[azure nimbus]

that's what I did and it worked just fine

[lethal sedge]

I done every game on Ultra-Violence without too much trouble. But I played these games so much so I guess that makes sense. Plutonia isn't as hard as I remembered, community WADs put it to shame in being hard

Eh, always happy to do another run of the games

[compact pawn]

Indeed

[cursive saddle]

Yeq

[cloud pond]

anybody know how to bring up the console?

[tacit remnant]

Try the ~ key

[cloud pond]

in the dos version? it doesn't work

[compact pawn]

Yeah I believe that is the one I accidentally pressed that key various times

[cloud pond]

nobody?

[compact pawn]

Well I have not seen a Dos in a while they are not supported

[cloud pond]

what do you mean by not supported?

[compact pawn]

Like the classic dos is not supported

[cloud pond]

like modding support or what?

[compact pawn]

I mean I if you are talking about the steam version I would not know

[sick yacht]

Dont you guys like Doom or not ? Just replay it. It's a different experience because of the new songs

Gaming isnt a chore, its to have fun

[tacit remnant]

Idk about anyone else, but I mostly play community made wads. The better ones blow the official campaigns out of the water with both level design and visuals (for some examples; Eviternity, Valiant, Going Down, Stickney Installation, Plutonia 2, Speed of Doom, and Ancient Aliens). I rarely replay the iwads at this point

[azure nimbus]

I've only ever seen console commands supported on GZdoom. Perhaps other Zdoom ports support it too idk. For cheats, like iddqd, you're tying them during regular gameplay. Some of the official ports put cheats in a pause menu though.

[azure nimbus]

Molly's right. By all means, I have replayed the IWADS many times even to the point of playing through doom1/doom2 pistol start on nightmare. I like the IWADS, but as the Brothers Casali discovered in 1996, they could make something even better. There's similar levels of artistry in custom WADS. With the experience in level design, advancements in editors and engines, speed in community feedback that we know have, there are dozens of mapsets released every month of amazing quality.

[celest isle]

Just gonna keep these titles tabbed. Been looking for good mods recommended myself as I am new to the pc realm and want to get into more classic doom stuff.

[tacit remnant]

Valiant and Stickney Installation are considered decently approachable; the other ones I mentioned should probably wait until you feel confident enough to take something noticeably harder than Plutonia

[celest isle]

Oh Good to know, appreciate it. Yeah I am veeeery new to the classic doom stuff, so I have a lot of content to go through. Haven't even beaten Doom II just yet.

[tacit remnant]

Well Eviternity is considered to be similar difficulty to Plutonia, but otherwise yeah

I recommend going through Doom 2, Sigil, and maybe Plutonia before getting into community stuff. Doom 1+2 are almost the tutorial for classic Doom and should therefore be played through before attempting other campaigns

[celest isle]

Appreciate it! I really enjoyed the first one a lot.

Excited to do more.

[azure nimbus]

just check in on doomworld every now and then. All of the ones Molly listed are great(though I can't personally vouch for plut2) but they are by necessity, only a few.

[red harbor]

dont forget TNT, they need to learn how to deal with hitscanner hell

[azure nimbus]

We respect Team TNT for building BOOM but idk if TNT.wad is required reading

[median cloud]

It has some fun maps, underrated wad ngl

[celest coyote]

more like induced vomiting

[unreal pike]

anyone know this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzauoLqk_9U&t=192s

[azure nimbus]

This is a pretty old video at this point with at least one followup from Dwars.
If you want vanilla, boom, or mbf21 fully accurate gameplay, play DSDA doom. Whether casually with freelook or fully accurate gameplay casually or for speedrunning.

If you want to play stuff that is only supported on gzdoom(usually heavier mods), play gzdoom.

If you want to play heartland, play on eternity.

If you want the 100 % DOS experience including weird setup, lower resolution, vertical mouse, tootie frootie visual errors, play on dosbox(not a doom port but an emulation of dos)

Dwars also covers a few other ports and it's cool seeing all the projects, but I don't think that there are all that significant unfilled niches filled by other ports.

[unreal pike]

is there a new one?

[azure nimbus]

it's one of the more recent videos on the channel

btw all three ports I mentioned support controller (at least xb1)

[hexed escarp]

the guy who made this made an updated version of this video

[young escarp]

It's flawed but not that shitty, wads like mock the speed of stupid however is sickening

[celest coyote]

Those are at least not trying to be taken seriously 🙂

[short spoke]

does anyone get motion sickness playing these games nowadays

i didnt used to but it hits me hard now

[compact pawn]

Not really but the demons in classic doom somehow look more scary than in modern doom

[short spoke]

eternal made them more like classic and cartoony which i really liked

[median cloud]

Good series

[slim geyser]

i still don't like how the original design of barons and hellknights aren't in eternal, i like them because they look like stereotypical demons

[lethal sedge]

For vanilla Doom I would recommend Crispy Doom as it offers some nice QoL additions while still playing faithfully to Doom on DOS. Chocolate Doom is if you really want to go all in on the limits of vanilla Doom, including 35 FPS and not being able to play some maps with more details in open spaces

Now if only more people regularly play classic Doom deathmatch

[vale gyro]

I personally recommend Woof for a middle-ground

DSDA-Doom also fills that space nicely

[azure nimbus]

the limitations in terms of "map crashes if it doesn't fit limitations" isn't really a feature. If you want to only play vanilla stuff --- just play only limit respecting wads. If you want 35 Hz, just set DSDA to 35 Hz

[azure nimbus]

While I respect the project of crispy and Chocolate, I don't really see what they add that DSDA on low resolution 35 Hz no mouselook can't do

[compact pawn]

Well one thing I like about classic is how it did not use a lot of typical assault rifles like wolfenstein 3D did

[teal basalt]

anybody wanna run co-op

[lethal sedge]

Chocolate Doom just has all the limits of Doom on DOS in place right from the get go and works well with modern operating systems and also don't got to deal with using DOSBox either

So really, Chocolate Doom is the best port if you really want to have vanilla Doom limits. Other ports may have support for those things but if you want to be certain a map will work on vanilla Doom (if you are a map author), then testing with Chocolate Doom is appropriate

[flat quartz]

Isn't it local only?

[teal basalt]

nope, I was just playing with someone on series X earlier, I'm on OLED

[lethal sedge]

Doom + Doom 2 added online multiplayer with crossplay, yes

[teal basalt]

its fuckin awesome

[lethal sedge]

It was the 2019 Unity re-release that was local only

If you have it on PC or on Xbox Series X, you can also have up to 8 players for local split-screen. If you can invite 7 friends to do of course

[teal basalt]

its 4 max for switch

[lethal sedge]

Yeah for every other platform its 4

[teal basalt]

8 player split screen sounds horrendous 😂

better have a 70 inch

[lethal sedge]

I bet, but also having to get 7 other people in-person to play with you. Good luck doing that

[teal basalt]

birthday party vibes

[lethal sedge]

Mario Party can't be the only birthday party game out there 😛

[flat quartz]

Holy crappp

ILL PLAY IT LETS GOOO

[teal basalt]

DOOM co-op is the greatest thing to ever exist

[flat quartz]

Real

I'm gonna blast my last 6 dollars on my eShop account on doom 64 and Doom 3

I got doom 1 + 2 for free

Since I already owned doom 1

[teal basalt]

I copped the whole collection since it was on sale

[flat quartz]

W

[teal basalt]

secure W

DOOM 64 $1.99 EZ dub 🏆

[teal basalt]

what console?

DOOM is packaged with DOOM II

I want to get eternal and DOOM 2016 eventually for the switch

[teal basalt]

wii sports

😂

[compact pawn]

Lol it’s not that kind of party

[lethal sedge]

It's a party if you are shooting demons with friends and family. Or fragging each other in Dead Simple

[flat quartz]

Nintendo switch

So I basically got doom 2 for free

[teal basalt]

how'd you get DOOM 1?

when did they sell it alone

[lethal sedge]

Before August 2024, they've been selling Doom 1 and Doom 2 as separate games for like 5 years

The Unity re-release has been out since like July 2019 but both Unity Doom 1 and Doom 2 has been delisted since Doom + Doom 2 released

If you just own either game, you get Doom + Doom 2 for free

[finite crag]

im still lowkey mad abt losing the old doom 1 that steam sold

[lethal sedge]

It's still there

The game files still got the original IWADs

[flat quartz]

Yep

[finite crag]

no i mean they just replaced it with the new port and startup

[flat quartz]

exactly

[lethal sedge]

Oh yeah, well the Unity 2019 re-release for Doom 1 is still on Steam in the "beta" releases, kind of weird to be hidden instead of being a separate game but I guess it's there

[finite crag]

i can still play doom 2 unity and have the dos setup from there backed up but not doom 1

[lethal sedge]

I would prefer if Doom + Doom 2 was just another Steam game instead of replacing Doom 1 yet again but I guess updating is easier to get noticed than adding a new Steam game

[teal basalt]

I feel it's appropriate to bundle DOOM + DOOM II

[lethal sedge]

Yeah, having it both separate was kind of dumb lol

[finite crag]

wait what? how

[compact pawn]

Well I played it on flash

[lethal sedge]

About time they are merged into one, helps to have online multiplayer too

[teal basalt]

more sales i guess

I love the interface classic DOOM has

[compact pawn]

I agree but I think modern doom has better gfx and gp

[finite crag]

@lethal sedge how do i access the betas

[teal basalt]

it's kinda how multi-player lobbies were back in the day

[compact pawn]

Otherwise yeah classic doom has more worthwhile secrets

[lethal sedge]

On Steam, go to "Properties" then to "Betas" and you can select the 2019 re-release of Doom 1 in "Beta Participation". It'll uninstall Doom + Doom 2 however since it'll replace it with the 2019 re-release of Doom 1.

Again I would prefer if Doom + Doom 2 was a separate Doom game instead of doing this but yeah

[compact pawn]

Like when I got the bag in the second stage

[finite crag]

oh right, will it also bring back the same dos setup?

[lethal sedge]

I assume it used the previous DOS setup yeah

Not the current DOSBox staging application that Doom + Doom 2 uses

[compact pawn]

Hopefully but I wouldn’t mind a “Handdrawn” version of DOOM

[finite crag]

oh right, thanks for telling me this i had no idea

[lethal sedge]

No worries there

[compact pawn]

like similar to the DOS but it’s drawn

[finite crag]

one thing i do love about the new release is they finally gave steam users setup.exe

[teal basalt]

we need DOOM RTX on nintendo switch

[compact pawn]

Ehh I don’t like the switch

[lethal sedge]

Yeah the GOG release has been more complete with Doom for far longer than Steam, only took until like much later for that to be fixed up

In all fairness, GOG releases of old games are generally more complete and polished

[compact pawn]

I can see why

[teal basalt]

almost bought a steam deck over the OLED

[compact pawn]

But I do think some older games can also be less polished

[lethal sedge]

Some games need more work to get running

[finite crag]

on the other side it can be fun to polish them up yourself

[compact pawn]

You’re not wrong

[teal basalt]

we're you still wanting to play classic doom

they have open chat as well

[finite crag]

messing with dos makes me feel kinda smart icl lol

[teal basalt]

or was it @flat quartz

[teal basalt]

if i modded my switch I'd feel like a wizard

[compact pawn]

I liked the invisible demons in classic doom

Modern doom games would not make it possible

[finite crag]

i am a wizard 🧙‍♂️

[teal basalt]

it'd definitely be reanimated definitely

[compact pawn]

Yeah

Also I don’t know if it’s just me but does Minecraft feel loosely based on Doom’s engine

[finite crag]

no clue

[compact pawn]

I don’t know but it feels more close to classic doom than any other game

[finite crag]

i guess i get what you mean but id say more build engine-like

[teal basalt]

dusk

[compact pawn]

Yeah I guess

[teal basalt]

quake or hexen lol

[compact pawn]

I mean I do like how Doomguy now is more than just another meathead shooter

[compact pawn]

Quake???-

[azure nimbus]

The only thing the limits really do is make it so some maps don't work. So if you want the limits, just don't play those maps no?

[compact pawn]

Like I was from the 21st century so idk

[teal basalt]

quake is very alike to DOOM

[compact pawn]

You know something (meet in #general )

[azure nimbus]

the strategy for doom2, especially custom maps or even vanilla nightmare is surprisingly deep. Having a small toolkit requires you to use some strategy. It's not exactly the "meathead" game

[compact pawn]

I mean as a character

[finite crag]

hes a traumatised meathead

:)

[compact pawn]

Like instead of being some guy who just kills demons. He actually wants to help those in need

[azure nimbus]

Perhaps? Even then, the only story that exists in doom1 is that he didn't want to fire on civilians

[compact pawn]

Well I guess

[finite crag]

shows hes a moral man and not just a killer ig

[compact pawn]

Possibly but I remember when I mistook him for another “Heavy Weapons Guy”

[azure nimbus]

Heavy Weapons Guy is a a lover

[compact pawn]

But then again I was fresh to gaming

[compact pawn]

Well he discriminates against weak people and children

[azure nimbus]

says who

[compact pawn]

Have you watched Meet the Heavy

[azure nimbus]

that's why I think he's a lover. He loves Natasha

[compact pawn]

Ok well I was pretty new to fps games at the time it was 2009 and I was 8

So I did not have a clear concept

Well I do like a “I’m about to murder you” face Doomguy makes

[azure nimbus]

Natasha is the gun

[compact pawn]

I mean I know but it’s “Sasha” not “Natasha”

[lethal sedge]

That's what make some of the vanilla mapsets you see rather impressive

The very fact it's a self-imposed limit by map authors and they can still pull off some impressive mapsets

So yeah, Chocolate Doom and its derivatives have a place

[compact pawn]

Well either way I think classic doom is something that can make anyone who put their effort to it a game developer

[lethal sedge]

Otherwise everyone could just use GZDoom since it works on practically every map besides a few Boom mapsets with more enemies than the entirety of all the four IWADs

[azure nimbus]

GZ isn't accurate to vanilla or boom or mbf21 physics the way that DSDA is

[azure nimbus]

o

[compact pawn]

Like if you were to use the doom engine and make a game you would learn to made more games with time

[lethal sedge]

But Chocolate Doom and Crispy Doom is also vanilla accurate and they are in fact pretty much vanilla focused source ports, with Crispy Doom allowing limit-removing vanilla-style maps to be played

[azure nimbus]

Ribbiks' made "jumpwad" which uses mbf(not mbf21) to make a platforming wad. p cool

[compact pawn]

Well I also like half life 1 and I liked the creativity and thought

[lethal sedge]

And besides, I play on GZDoom knowing it isn't vanilla faithful and it has some features I like having too there so yeah. I don't like to go around thinking a port is "redundant" or anything. It has a place and people have shown to used it for playing and map testing

[teal basalt]

Mint Chocolate Chip DOOM is where it's at

can't hate on Butter Pecan DOOM either

[finite crag]

i love how chocolate and vanilla doom are actual things too

[vale gyro]

Minty Doom does exist, albeit dead due to my own negligence

[finite crag]

you made it?

[vale gyro]

Yeah

It’s well, uhh, dead as I’ve said

I fucked up the repository big time on it and gave up development soon after

[finite crag]

i just googled it lol u werent lying

its still pretty cool tho

GitHub - PENGUINCODER1/minty-doom

[vale gyro]

I thought I killed the repo?

shouldn't even be visible anymore

[finite crag]

page doesnt exist but its googlable 😁

[vale gyro]

ah

[finite crag]

PENGUINCODER1/minty-doom: Minty Doom is a Doom …
Minty Doom is a Doom source port that attempts to be mostly accurate while fixing bugs and removing restrictions.

[vale gyro]

the only Doom project I still got left up is my launcher

Minty Doom was the only other one and well

it's gone

[terse yoke]

thats awesome to hear. I am using LZDoom since I have kow end laptop(I love my laptop so much!) and what did you mean by "limit-removing vanilla-style maps" ?

[lethal sedge]

Basically, they're maps only using vanilla features and actions, just without limits on how many different sectors, different walls, etc. can visible on screen without causing the game to crash

SIGIL and SIGIL 2 would fit in this category

[vale gyro]

this is honestly the best description of limit removing I've seen

[lethal sedge]

Generally it's just called "limit-removing" but yeah, they are still vanilla maps at heart

[terse yoke]

ohhhh thanks! Now I get it!

[austere tangle]

I've played The Sky May Be (dehacked and normal) and uh

Yeah

I can see why they voted it as an Infamous WAD on DOOMWorld

Everything's so random and maddening about it

[azure nimbus]

Obviously, limits still exist. t some point, your computer won't handle it. though my understanding is that these limits are in some cases shifted so far that you'd never notice or shifted from the game engine limitation to the hardware limits of your machine

[finite crag]

making a semi-shitpost wad rn

[finite crag]

Is it like mock speed 2?

no

as i said

only semi-shitpost

goal is to have it play nicely and be fun while also giving the player some laughs

Fair

Could still be like it tho

[terse yoke]

If someone is using LZDoom, can someone help me about settings, because everytime I want to play new game, I always need to set it up. I always need to off auto aim, freelook and jump. What I need to do so that settings don't be default every new game?

[azure nimbus]

Can I ask why you are using LZ?

[terse yoke]

I have low end laptop I enjoy so much, and it have OpenGL 2.0 so I can't use GZDoom. 🙂

[vale gyro]

Are you playing anything that requires ZDoom?

If not, use Woof

It’d run nicely on the hardware, possibly better than LZDoom

[terse yoke]

thank you so much for the help, I really appreciate that!

[hoary forge]

Does Sigil work on Chocolate Doom?

or Crispy Doom?

[vale gyro]

it will work in Crispy Doom

it will however not work in Chocolate Doom due to it requiring a limit-removing port

[hollow yarrow]

where to report bug for doom 1 + 2?

it can crash the game fyi

[vale gyro]

checked your video and damn, I didn't know the new port was that buggy

I don't use it and rather use source ports instead

so I don't have any knowledge on it

[hollow yarrow]

the recording is laggy, but the crash is the only problem

i mean* the recording causes the fps drop, but otherwise, yea it sucks

don't actually know what causes it though, it seems random

[vale gyro]

yeah, it looks random tbh

maybe something wrong with reading the IWAD? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[terse yoke]

I was playing it a little. I was using SoBad's Doom Launcher and I used Woof as Source port. 👍

I discovered SoBad's Doom Launcher on Itchio and in left side youcan see IWADs while on right side you can see WADS. And CoderPenguin1 told me about Woof which is bellter than LZDoom, and it work flawlessly! 😎

[azure nimbus]

SoBad, more like PrettyGood

Is all a launcher is really doing at a technical level quickly writing and executing a batch file?

[terse yoke]

When you place WADs and IWADs in the same folder, they will be separate, you pick them in the launcher and you are in.

but yeah, it's quick.

the only downside really i recognized right now is that using Woof I need to press on New Game, but other source ports runs great. 🙂

[vale gyro]

it just gives the paramaters to the exe directly

[vale gyro]

I personally use my own launcher over SoBad's or ZDL

gives me total control over the launcher

[terse yoke]

ohhhh 0.0

Your own launcher! That's awesome 0.0

[vale gyro]

I guess that’s kinda cool I suppose

I made it purely out of wanting something to do

[terse yoke]

hahahahahaha that's double awesome then!

[azure nimbus]

If you run a -warp or -skill command then you'll drop in immediately without menuing to new game

[terse yoke]

ohhhh thanks for sharing! That's really good to know! 0.0

[formal bison]

does anyone ever play mock 2 anymore

[terse yoke]

Holy moly legendary! I put -warp 5 1 and it instantly warped me in Sigil, I am still using SoBad's Doom Launcher with Woof port, and also I discovered in SoBad's that if you put all default it will make you go to main menu instead the level you choose. In that launcher you can put your own parameters and you are instantly in. 🙂

[azure nimbus]

it's completely useless outside of the trivia I guess, but doom1 has an -episode # command that does exactly what it sounds like.

you can even play -nodraw to play blind...

[terse yoke]

ohhh, i am new to this commands! Thanks 😱

[mortal torrent]

Does anyone have spritesheets of every doom 1 demon + pain elemental in png form

[tacit remnant]

Look in the Doom 1+2 collection gallery if you have that version

That should have the sprite images you want

[azure nimbus]

if it happens to not by in the gallery for whatever reason, you may need to download a spiret editor like slade and find the PE sprite in your files. Unfortunately, we aren't really suppoed to share the game assets. That is after all the thing you're paying for when you get the game

[tacit remnant]

Playing Map09 of Eviternity and I gave punching some hell knights to death a try (only 1 per encounter). It was significantly more doable than I expected. Not every day where a first person shooter makes melee fun in its own right

[azure nimbus]

if you can punch imps then you can punch knights

[tacit remnant]

Yup. It’s just that knights need a few hits to go down and the penalty for messing up is higher

[terse yoke]

no way! That's awesome! 😱

I never tried that

[azure nimbus]

I actually don't know for sure off hand if knights are even bigger than imps

checking decino's video, they're very slightly wider

[terse yoke]

I like to watch his videos before going to sleep 👍

[compact pawn]

You have good taste

[azure nimbus]

Decino is the reason that the most well known doom wads(except myhouse) are so well known. Because he's where the bridge is from people playing way too much custom doom and people who really haven't yet because he's making videos that are popular

[terse yoke]

Yeah! I watch him for 2 years, but not everyday ofcourse. Just recently I started watching his old videos. 👍

[terse yoke]

Woah, my English .. lol... I wanted to say that I, 2 weeks ago, started watching his old videos everyday. 😮‍💨

[azure nimbus]

Sometimes you sit back and realize how complicated English can get, especially with mixed time tenses. Your action started and is progressive to the current time and refers to information that happened in the farther set past

[terse yoke]

hahaha best explanation ever! 🤣👍

[hoary forge]

I don't rlly need a launcher, i can just use the command line, that doesn't bother me at all.

But, what is up with Woof? What are it's main pros and cons??

[azure nimbus]

Woof is a demo compatable port supporting vanilla, boom, mbf, mbf21. It also has some QoL features that some players might be interested in. Like DSDA, it has controller support

[vale gyro]

I used to use the command line until I decided to make my launcher as a project; I then switched to using that instead.

Also the main “con” of Woof is its complete lack of a hardware renderer, its strictly software

The closest it has to a hardware renderer is that it uses OpenGL for Voxel Doom

It is otherwise completely software

[twin mortar]

What even is the difference between the two for a simpler game like DOOM

[vale gyro]

Generally how the game looks, with the exception of DSDA

Otherwise it refers to what is actually rendering the game

Software is strictly CPU and hardware uses the GPU

[twin mortar]

Well yeah I know it changes the look but how

[vale gyro]

Hardware also is free from Y-shearing when using freelook

[vale gyro]

Lighting can be different

That’s the most noticeable thing between the two

[twin mortar]

I see

[vale gyro]

Especially between PrBoom and GLBoom

That is the absolute most noticeable difference between the two as the lighting in each is drastically different

PrBoom (software) is what you expect, while GLBoom (hardware) makes the game MUCH darker

Software is also usually associated with more noticeable pixels, although most ports make that pretty much non-existent

[terse yoke]

mmjp and penguin said all. 😎👍

[azure nimbus]

DSDA's current hardware is almost impossible to tell the difference from software outside of performing better. But more traditional hardware renderers compress the dark range more. So darkness looks "flatter." Now in terms of the actual algorithm for how pixels are rendered. Idk man. Ask John Carmack?

[tacit remnant]

I recently found Voxel Doom and this might be my favorite way to play Doom now.

[terse yoke]

taking notes 🤣

[tame crest]

plutonia is fun

[compact pawn]

I enjoy it

[wide sinew]

True story: I was playing the new Doom port online a month or two ago, and I said "lol i suck", but it censored it because it interpreted the "lol" and "i" as "loli" lmao

[tame crest]

a chat filter worse than wizard101's filter? o.o

[wide sinew]

Lol

[tame crest]

either way, everyones happy regardless if tha's censored

[compact pawn]

People need to clear their minds

@wide sinew nice name and pfp btw

[wide sinew]

Thanx, it's temporary tho because it's in celebration of the new Mario Party

[compact pawn]

Ah I see

Well Bubbabyte is a nice name

[wide sinew]

Yeah, I usually just go by Bubbabyte

[compact pawn]

Ok

[wide sinew]

It's "the Ninji Stan" that's the temporary part

But yeah, I can't believe the chat filter is THAT shitty lol

[compact pawn]

I remember saying “ok” on games and it got tagged

[wide sinew]

Lolwut?

But yeah, all this talk of garbage censorship reminds me of how you couldn't trade Bulbasaur online in Pokémon back in Gen IV unless you nicknamed it because "sau" is a derogatory term in like German or something

[azure nimbus]

Me when I relegate jobs to a robot(which is kinda necessary for preliminary instantanious censorship but still)

[oblique plaza]

can someone pls make a stand-alone wad w/ the reskinned baron of hell from Deadly Standards 3 wad/mapset so that it can be used in other maps too?

[terse yoke]

Finally found aweome source port for my low end laptop. Cripsy Doom. Woof had lagged music and sound on my laptop. 😎

[vale gyro]

Too bad Woof had issues for you

Just an fyi Crispy Doom can only play limit removing WADs

[terse yoke]

yeah, but i didn't delete it tho 🙂

[vale gyro]

Sigil 1 and 2 are basically the main examples I can think of

[terse yoke]

ohhhh!!!

[vale gyro]

Most WADs use Boom or MBF/21 now adays

[terse yoke]

that's good to know 😱

thank you very much for the help!

[vale gyro]

Which Crispy Doom can’t play

You’ll still need a port like Woof or DSDA-Doom in that case

And then there’s a good handful of mods and maps that need GZDoom (basically anything that uses the .pk3 extension with the exception of Voxel Doom, which Woof supports)

[azure nimbus]

you might be able to rip it using slade?

[terse yoke]

Yeah, now I just sit on my laptop and realised that I only can run it if I use SoBad's launcher and add Crispy as source port 🙂

[finite crag]

Hey, is there a good survival horror mod for doom ?

[azure nimbus]

Perhaps myhouse.wad? It seems more "Regular" horror themed but it's relly popular and leads more into horror than your more classically designed doom levels

[vale gyro]

Eraser

Boom compatible btw

[finite crag]

I'm looking for a mod that i can play on every megawad if possible

[vale gyro]

Book compat btw

[twin mortar]

So a TC?

[vale gyro]

TCs aren’t included in what he wants

He wants a gameplay overhaul mod

[twin mortar]

TC could kinda make it scarier

[vale gyro]

Yeah, true

Which is pretty much what Eraser is

But he wants to play more than a single WAD

So he needs something like Brutal Doom in terms of what it changes

[azure nimbus]

idk survival horror is such a particular object that requires level design to back it up

[vale gyro]

Yeah, exactly

Eraser is as good as it is due to the map alone

It’s the atmosphere that fucks with you

[finite crag]

TC could fit too i guess

Or more precisely, i would like a mod in which i have to manage my ammos, like in a survival horror but without being horror

[azure nimbus]

Lots of the smaller scale Ribbiks levels are all about ammo management like Crumpets. It's absolutely not horror themed(it's bakery themed) but it's about ammo management

same for Haste

[celest coyote]

Combat puzzles if you will

[amber horizon]

https://youtu.be/1cPnuNhVNvE?si=yjmllHLBK3ZPpXkO

[jade solstice]

Anyone have this issue
My friend is repeatedly seeing small people when we play

[vale gyro]

WHY IS EVERYTHING SO SMALL LMAO

mother fucking Barbie-Doom

[jade solstice]

It like, offsets all sprites and shrinks them

[finite crag]

that's weird

I think that's a him thing man idfk

[jade solstice]

But like why 😂 it messes up their aim because if they’re point blank w enemies they can’t see them

[vale gyro]

it's bloody hilarious tho

[finite crag]

I have no idea

[vale gyro]

that ain't a bug, that's a feature

[finite crag]

^
this too

[jade solstice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1276684433394499687/1298809859327791184/192bbfd40f561-screenshotUrl.jpg?ex=671aea71&is=671998f1&hm=6cf24b4bd3ddd8b5d9d3d11fcbd50cd36eb63ac5b1a15a77881fb05d40e9615f&

Me in the bottom left

[finite crag]

this is like those minecraft mods

[vale gyro]

it gets funnier by the image

I'm actually sorry I can't help

it's too fucking funny

[jade solstice]

It makes me sad lol

But I can understand why it’s funny loooool

[finite crag]

I have never seen this bug ever

[jade solstice]

Okay well

Now they’re hosting, and it’s me who has the issue
Definitely a client side issue
Is this for ALL multiplayer or just crossplay?

[vale gyro]

I honestly don't know, I don't use the new port due to the auto SR50 and some other quirks of it

[cloud pond]

i'm trying to do pure original dos, not source ports.

[jade solstice]

It’s only occurred on the following levels so far:
e2 M8 and E3 M2
It fixed itself on M3. Seems level specific

[azure nimbus]

then you're not getting commands in game. what you can do is launch the game with different parameters like -skill 4 or -warp 20

[cloud pond]

I'm pretty sure there is someway to do it, i mean if modding is possible with the dos version of doom then the console is sure possible

[azure nimbus]

You can definitely launch with different parameters like -nomonsters. If you really want to mod in in-game commands, that would take note fundamental mods that level out weapon changes.

To be clear, cheats like iddqd will work

[jade solstice]

E3 M5 also has the issue but less severe for some reason

[azure nimbus]

dang your lil dude got Doomsmalled

[jade solstice]

E4m8 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1276684433394499687/1298831405677023242/192bc4bae6317-screenshotUrl.jpg?ex=671afe82&is=6719ad02&hm=67d85a6ecac82bd584fc91b9d180588c08567a35724cb9b164676b92a827dcf2&

(Until you go down the staircase and it resets itself)

[tacit remnant]

I kinda want to make a campaign of all tyson maps now. Not sure what kind of theme to use, but I like using berserk to beat hell knights do death. My best theme idea thus far is some sort of slasher movie theme to fit the focus on melee against victims with ranged weapons

[azure nimbus]

that sounds like a good idea. be sure to test it in a port like dsda/woof so the melee hitboxes are normal

[tacit remnant]

Okay

[oblique plaza]

I have done Mancubus2Harkubus reskin in Slade if anyone would want the file, if u are bored w/ old vanilla or (even the cool newer MEDB) Mancubus look

[split smelt]

Funny bug

[finite lynx]

Hi, I would want to ask under who is the Doom OST and How can I purchase a license for the Doom OST without getting copyright strike. I want to use the Doom OST in my game and I would want to see difference between if it would be a purchasable and if it wouldn't be purchasable. Thanks!

[twin mortar]

You can't do that

They won't sell you it

[finite lynx]

Alright Thanks!

[vale gyro]

You can easily make Doom styled MIDIs as all it is an SC-55. So you can just find a soundalike for that. You can’t however use any assets or music from the game.

[jade solstice]

Very difficult to play with though 😦

[red harbor]

does chocolate doom have a scanline filter?

[vale gyro]

To my knowledge no

I don’t remember even seeing something like that in the code