classic-doom

[vale gyro]

ok, I did a funny

I basically made it so the RNG table increments to what "state" it is in

the state increments by one per frame, with a max of 255

[azure nimbus]

I think it's the hardest yeah. you can def make a case for m6, especially on nightmare but I think e4m1 is the hardest map in doom1

[azure nimbus]

so would this mean that every attack on a given frame will deal the same damage since it's using the same RNG value? We could 1-hit a rev with an SSG this way

[vale gyro]

maybe??

I'd have to stare at the code a bit and test to see

but it'd be possible to get several high damage rolls for sure

I could also maybe randomize it a bit more by incrementing it per RNG call as well?

[little oar]

Would it possible to have it where the rng stays at 1, and every time something would call for a rng number (hitscan shot, movement, whatever) the number goes up by 1

So the longer you're around or the more things are happening the more dangerous anything that uses rng will get

Make the base value of rng 1 and every time that function is called, +1 to it I guess

[azure nimbus]

this is more in the "making a fresh port" area than traditional dehacked It wouldn't be that complicated to do. Replace every rng call with an increment and "a maximum(RNG #, the max it should be)" operation and there ya go

[vale gyro]

I was playing E2M8 with a friend

I ducked behind cover from the cyberdemon and the level randomly ended

a lost soul killed the cybie lmao

[vale gyro]

so the RNG number that got called + the value?

[little oar]

The rng number that gets called is a number that goes up by +1 every time its called

So if a zombieman shoots, the rng number it calls is 1
If it shoots again, it calls a 2, again it calls a 3
Different zombieman shoots, it calls a 4

If that makes any sense

[vale gyro]

I doubt I'd be able to figure that out lol

as in linking the value to a specific thing on the map

and I'ma be honest, I have zero experience with C or working with the Doom sourcecode

like I wanna implement Crispy Doom's higher res and limit removing stuff

but I got no bloody clue where to look

honestly, scratch that, I'm actually do something else

basically just vanilla but with some fixed things, like the ouch face, the IDBEHOLD and IDCHOPPERS cheats doing their correct thing, among other minor fixes

[split smelt]

remember idchoppers gives 1/35th of a second of invunerability

so if ur fast enough chainsaw = god mode

[vale gyro]

yeah, I'm gonna fix it so it actually gives you invuln

[split smelt]

noooooo

im already chainsaw fodder

[azure nimbus]

btw even though this would be doable with some heavy involvement in the code, it would, within a second, immediately be at the highest possible value permanently. Doom maps will make hundreds or thousands of RNG calls per second

[azure nimbus]

Would you really insinuate that a single frame of invulnerability was an accident?

[little oar]

Ah dang, I thought it just called for stuff like shooting a hitscan gun

[split smelt]

there was supposed to be a god mode time but carmark or romero didnt specify for how many frames so it defaulted to 1

since the games runs at 35 ticks per second its 1 tick or 1/35th of a second

[lapis wolf]

An underrated feature about BFG Edition is they made the Shotgun actually sound good.

Also due to the increased speed, b hops are even better

[azure nimbus]

I believe Dave Taylor coded it. He was in charge of programming the side stuff like UI and the map. Further, DT is used for iddt's name and map icon. ofc I could be wrong but that's my guess

[azure nimbus]

landing an ssg shot on a manc for example makes over 100 rng calls alone due to horizontal spread, vertical spread, damage, blood spray rng, and pain chance for each hit. The amount of "decisions" the game mkes per second is really astounding when thinking about how well it runs

[vale gyro]

this has been going smoothly actually

[little oar]

Oh yeah, I thought it'd just be a few per action. Didn't think it'd be 100+

[vale gyro]

also how long is the IDCHOPPERS cheat meant to give you invuln?

instead of the 1 tic it does actually give you

seeing it's the standard invuln and not the IDDQD-style invuln, I'd assume the default time for the invuln powerup?

[azure nimbus]

Setting it for 30 s (default invuln) makes sense. I assumed that he meant to set invuln to "true" and wrote "True" as the binary 1. I mean maaaaybe he meant 1 min but since when is programming done in minutes.

[vale gyro]

yeah, I'll do 30 seconds, then

[azure nimbus]

would you be able to force a weapon swap to the chainsaw?

[vale gyro]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I might not do that anyways, it's meant to just fix with very minor additions

like adding in a "IMPOSSIBLE MAP SELECTION" text if you select an invalid map

[split smelt]

🤓

im a doom nerd too

[azure nimbus]

I bet you could copy the idmus## check since it appropriately gives an error message

[vale gyro]

yeah, that's what I originally did

wait, not for the error check

all I did was something under the lines of

if (map > 32)
{
  return false;
}

and it works

[split smelt]

ok imma take my place im not a doom nerd

im dum

[azure nimbus]

I'm curious how DSDA and UltDoomBuilder can tell which maps have been modified. Like if I have a 5 map pwad installed, DSDA's level table only shows those 5

[azure nimbus]

being a doom nerd means blaming Tom Hall any time you get mad at a doom1 Sandy map.

[vale gyro]

tryna figure out what the time conversion would be

[split smelt]

umm i dont like this room screw tom ha-

[azure nimbus]

35 x 30

[lapis wolf]

Decino reference

[azure nimbus]

how so

[vale gyro]

thanks man

[split smelt]

IS THAT A DECINO REFERENCE I SEE???

[azure nimbus]

I'm talking about how many Sandy maps were laid out by Tom Hall before the level editor even had monsters. So Sandy would then populate an existing Tom Hall map.

map10 of doom2 and e3m5 are like this

[lapis wolf]

Tbh I thought you were referencing how Decino hates 1993's Tom Hall maps and think they're worse than Sandy's maps in II.

Lmao

[azure nimbus]

This is probably why Sandy fought for Tom Hall to be included in the end credits

[lapis wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-decino-stresstest-doom-multiplayer-multiplayer-gif-1294382537381021277

[azure nimbus]

If decino wants to keep doing analysis videos, he's either going to have to get really in the weeds and talk about idk, lighting or door triggers/sector effects. Or get less in the weeds and talk about strategy

[little oar]

A lighting video could be cool

How the game simulates lighting despite not really being a 3d space

[split smelt]

every time i think i talked about everything the crushers video and powerdown one really suprised me

powerdown being partial invisibility

[azure nimbus]

it is 3d

[split smelt]

DOOM IS 3D

[split smelt]

MODS MAKE HIM PLAY H*CK REVEALED UVFAST PISTOL START SAVELESS DOSBOX KEYBOARD ONLY

ok fine imma say the bad word

[azure nimbus]

every piece of map geometry and object have length, width, height and an (x,y,z) coordinate trio within 3d space

[split smelt]

HELL

[azure nimbus]

Why are you so preoccupied with making people play on dosbox

[split smelt]

320X200 AND 35FPS

sorry all caps

[azure nimbus]

I like 35 Hz so that my visual frames match the physics frames. I don't want any fake interpolated frames

[lapis wolf]

I just saw Decino 's Doom 3 stream recently, and apparently he likes it now when he used to shit on it lol

[split smelt]

nah i need my doom being at least 60 fps

[azure nimbus]

35 doesn't divide 60 :(

[split smelt]

the SHITgun is awful i mean shotgun

[azure nimbus]

it's good

[split smelt]

imma put my game at 70 fps since my monitor can

[vale gyro]

just tryna change the package names so it'd reflect the name I wanna call the port

[azure nimbus]

the d3 shotgun is the best part of the game

[vale gyro]

it's not fun lmao

[lapis wolf]

He also says it's the best depiction and aesthetics of Hell in any DOOM game.

Which I agree with

[lapis wolf]

Best Hell freeeee

[split smelt]

the depiction of not anti-heaven is awesome

not saying the H word

[lapis wolf]

For me the b hops

And chainsaw

And of course Hell

[azure nimbus]

I saw a plutonia TAS where they did bunny hops. Something to do with bouncing up and down a tiny ledge

of course for speed, not height

[split smelt]

imma go dooming

with the new port which the online is below acceptable

[vale gyro]

ok I've been trying to remove the "can't switch to fist" restriction within the code

can't really figure it out

found some code in g_game.c that related to it but deleting it did nothing?

actually, deleting anything in that section appears to do nothing as well

[azure nimbus]

yeah I have no idea why you can't switch to fist when owning a chainsaw but not berserk. As in technically what is going down

[vale gyro]

yeah

I want to remove that restriction for easier player

but well, I clearly can't due to a complete lack of knowledge

and I've been trying to look at Boom's source code for answers to come up with nothing

Hell, I've even made my own restriction and it wouldn't apply

I've removed other restrictions with no change as well

so yeah, I'm stumped

[azure nimbus]

boom(and up) weapon swaps work in a different way: they inject autoswap commands. This is why boom makes it possible to swap to shotgun before ssg (given that you set your shotgun higher than the ssg in the config). Same for fists and chainsaw but only if you have berserk. Otherwise, saw always comes first

[vale gyro]

so I'd have to completely revamp the swaping systems with Boom's code somehow?

if so, there goes any chance of me tryna figure out how to get this added-

[azure nimbus]

You could just copy boom's implementation for it

[vale gyro]

issue is where Boom handles that stuff is in a completely different function to what Chocolate uses

[azure nimbus]

Boom also allows you to not autoswap off of a weapon when it's out of ammo as long as you don't pull the trigger on empty (this is the boom auto switch OFF setting). It's also why the ssg has to reload even on the final shot to balance thls. Imagine running out of shells, not reloading, then grabbing more to fire again instantly. Starting at mbf21, all weapons retain boom swap behavior except the ssg which will always be swapped off when empty which cancels the reload on empty

[vale gyro]

assuming all the weapon switching stuff is handled just in the file I'm looking at

which I doubt

[azure nimbus]

ooh could you make the rev taller

I think the vile has the same height weirdness but I only remember the rev

[vale gyro]

I might idk

at the same time the fact I can't get this weapon switch thing in is really bothering me

I might straight up scrap the project if I can't figure this out

[azure nimbus]

ooh maybe this could be a map idea at least: give the player a powerful dehacked fist. The player has to dodge chainsaws so that they can continue using their powerful dehacked fist

[vale gyro]

wait, I got an idea

found a codeblock in p_user.c that looks like exactly what I want

[azure nimbus]

oh some of the color palletes are never used. The wiki even explains how this could be easily fixed. seems like this would fit your "minor fixes" project

[vale gyro]

yeah, I might take a look at that

[azure nimbus]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/PLAYPAL#:~:text=The PLAYPAL lump is a,swaps to achieve these effects.

[vale gyro]

just gonna try to get what I'm doing working

I think I might've gotten it working

holy god I did

nevermind

I got it working but at the cost of EVERYTHING else breaking

[azure nimbus]

yeah you're doing coolstuff

[vale gyro]

smh, hold on

I got it working now

thank god

[vale gyro]

ok, so I'm assuming when it refers to STARTPAL, it's referring to STARTBONUSPALS?

wait, I think I understand

ok, I think I implemented it

what should I be looking for to make sure I did?

added a fix for the shotgun shells when on ITYTD or NM so it properly says 8 instead of 4

I'll stop yapping about this shite now

[split smelt]

Why is rocket jumping so hard??? Im tarsh at DOOM

[vale gyro]

just gotta test if it still works with dehacked, though

[split smelt]

Im not trash im quite good id say but i cant do plateforming for shit

Sorry bad word

[vale gyro]

GZDoom rocket jumping or standard rocket jumping?

[split smelt]

Standard

I use DSDA so standard for sure

I dont like playing with 🧀doom the physics are too different

[vale gyro]

yeah

[vale gyro]

it does but doesn't if this makes sense

[split smelt]

imma goof around to learn how to rocket jump properly

[vale gyro]

got two options for this
A: Remove this entirely
B: Disable the check for what difficulty the game is on if a DEHACKED patch is loaded

[vale gyro]

hope you figure it out, honestly

can't do it myself

[split smelt]

Because im stuck on italo doom map 07

[vale gyro]

Italo Doom requires a rocket jump?

[split smelt]

Map 07 is plateforming/rocket jumping

[half minnow]

Most of my rocket jumping is guessing and praying

[abstract plank]

do you guys know what that wad is that's like doom in a big city and you fight the final boss but instead of his head it's like the actual demon

like if doom 2's city levels were new york

it looks almost like a duke nukem 3d map

[little oar]

After Doom?

[abstract plank]

thank you that was it!!

[merry nacelle]

Is there any classic doom mod for adding a lobby and slayer skins like in Eternal?

And unlockable upgrades

But still the look of classic doom

[azure nimbus]

i think complex doom does some of that

[split smelt]

I dont really know doom mods but wads…

[azure nimbus]

Yeah honestly I don't really get the appeal of "mods" as much as wads. Like we know that wads are mods definitionally but I think we know what I mean

[median cloud]

Doom mods are fun but for some reason are less engaging to me

I get bored of them quickly

[opaque rose]

How are supposed to do e4m2’s opening?

You just get overwhelmed with caco’s

[little oar]

Infighting

Get the cacos to fire at the imps

[opaque rose]

I tried to no avail

[little oar]

There's also a shotgun behind you, and a secret soulsphere if you drop down and explore a bit with the hazsuit

[opaque rose]

That I diddnt know about the stuff down below

I assume there’s a teleporter to get out of there?

[little oar]

Door with a staircase back to the starting area

If you grabbed the rocket launcher from m1, that could also be useful for the cacos

[opaque rose]

I had to pistol start it

I finished m1 with like 4% health

Oh that’s cool 4 barons waiting for me after I grab the plasma

[little oar]

Lol, yeah it's a plasma run

Focus on one, each of them has a big energy kit behind them to deal with the next one

[split smelt]

Get lucky with the shotgun damage and hope that the blockmap dosent frick you up

Also dont wake up the caco who blocks the rad suit down in the lava so you dont need to beat him with the others

[split smelt]

[cedar yacht]

Does anyone has cool wads to recommend with custom weapons?

[vale gyro]

Eraser was quite cool. A newer WAD, too.

It’s Boom-compat.

[cedar yacht]

Kk thx!!

[split smelt]

Struggle anterasian legacy is awesome

Heartland is cool too but you need eternity engine

In heartland only some weapons are different

[cedar yacht]

I know it but I don't really like the vibe, I'm looking for something different :/

[split smelt]

Sure imma investigate

Not everyone likes the same stuff

[vale gyro]

Just mentioning this now, it’s only one map, but that single map will take you at least an hour blind

[cedar yacht]

Do you suggest any other mod?

Wads

[vale gyro]

I don’t really play anything with custom weaponry so nah

[azure nimbus]

there aren't really enough guys to infight imo. If you drop into the lava and head up the stairs, there are extra shells

[opaque rose]

If you can take out the Caco

[cedar yacht]

Kk thx anyway

[azure nimbus]

not even slightly faster chainguns?

[sick yacht]

Is there any way to customize doom unity mobile touch controls ? Or is it just like it is ?

The way it is placed is impossible to me. I like to play mobile shooters with 4 fingers

[vale gyro]

Can’t change them sadly

[vale gyro]

Yeah, I’ve played WADs like that

I was mainly referring to more deliberate new weapons like what LoR or Eraser have

[vale gyro]

Should I try adding in the WEAP cheat into the port I’m making?

[azure nimbus]

Sure

[red harbor]

?

Also you're making a source port?

[vale gyro]

yeah

[red harbor]

Good luck my man, I hope you find it as a fun project

[vale gyro]

it's been a headache here and there but it's been fun overall

[red harbor]

That's programming for ya. What's this source port trying to achieve anyways?

[vale gyro]

just some additions + bug fixes

I'm hopefully gonna keep it demo compatible

though seeing that I've made it so you can switch to the fist even without beserk, it's kinda not

[red harbor]

So like Woof/Nugget (and maybe PrBoom???)?

[vale gyro]

so atm it's 90% compat

[vale gyro]

nah, it's even under Crispy Doom in this case

it's forked from Chocolate Doom

[red harbor]

I forgot about Crispy lol

[vale gyro]

the main goal was to fix the ouch face and cheat codes

[vale gyro]

though I've added in a couple extra stuff like the WEAP cheat and this

[red harbor]

Nice

[vale gyro]

though I will mention the "fix" I did for IDBEHOLD is kinda sad

I made it say this instead of it's normal text:

"V, S, I, R, A, or L"

as the fix I wanted to do makes the text go beyond the screen

[vale gyro]

also, the WEAP cheat isn't 1:1 to the one seen in Woof

as of current, it will not lower the weapon you removed as of current if you were holding it

also, the cheat works differently in the sense it does not use numbers

I didn't want to mess with that stuff honestly lol

I just wanted the cheat to work while keeping more in line with something like IDBEHOLD

[cedar yacht]

Why is brutal doom so hyped? I find it awful

[vale gyro]

I find it fun every once in a while but yeah, I don't know

probably got so hyped because "omg canon doom slayer from Eternal?!?!?!"

ok how did Vega not consider that spamming?

[red harbor]

My main thing is why do they need to try to flee on low health

I'm here to kick ass, not get reminded that the imps I'm slaughtering have families

[wanton cave]

Slaughter their families too

[red harbor]

True, that was part of the plan considering I'm wiping out hell

[opaque rose]

E4m2 continues to kick my ass in ways that aren’t fun

I’ve thrown in the towel

The game throwing several barons when all I’ve got is a shotgun in close quarters is suicide

and a cyber demon

great, just great

[half minnow]

Cyberdemon is practically harmless on that level

[azure nimbus]

make sure to keep an eye out for secrets(or non secrets). This level has a nonsecret plasma that you missed and a BFG is accessible through a secret(early if you do some fancy movement but more reasonably saved for later)

[opaque rose]

i got the plasma but ran out of ammo

and couldnt make it into the spectre area for refill

[red harbor]

do the difficulties in doom v0.5 even do anything?

[celest coyote]

Finished Abandon Map10

Talk about a difficulty spike. That end platform had me yell when I finally beat it cuz of being in the level for so long

[supple prism]

Why is there no emoji for the classic pistol?

It seems that every other classic weapon’s got one

ik the pistol isn’t the coolest thing, but it should still be represented

(also having emojis of the sprite for holding the weapons would be really cool tbh)

[half minnow]

There was never a pickup sprite for the pistol in the original games
Idk if it existed in the files but they never appeared in game which is probably why

[vale gyro]

progress on what I'm now calling "Minty Doom" is actually going smoothly overall

I'm planning on introducing checks to disable some of the features when recording/playing back a demo plus some other additions I need to add in

only issues if if I want to actually release it as well, I do not know how to use git lmao

[spice radish]

i havent fact checked this but im pretty sure a pistol sprite exists just nothing drops a pistol in game since you always spawn with one

Nevermind I was thinking of this image which is from GZDoom

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/926326228280025098/1282887624402538497/latest.png?ex=66e0fdb4&is=66dfac34&hm=b369f6cea9d7d7e3e2a86c19ba7b7096b729c057c8c58dadf19e0289e501e8ab&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[azure nimbus]

it did. The one @spice radish posted is based on a beta sprite released in the idVault

[opaque rose]

ok so e4m6
how come that first open area with the lava moat, my rockets pass through the tower thing?

[spice radish]

Ohhhhh ok that’s interesting

GZDoom also uses the unused rifle from the tech demo im pretty sure as well right?

[tough blade]

which emulator is better for playing classic doom on a CRT tv?

[median cloud]

You playing it pistol start? It’s a rough map to pistol start but there are a couple of important secrets you can find. The cyberdemon is a non-threat if you know where to look

[median cloud]

Wdym? E4M6 is also probably the hardest E4 map

[azure nimbus]

Fake wall. walk through

[azure nimbus]

remember, nothing in doom's geometry is tied to the visuals. A real wall is just a blocking linedef with a texture. A fake wall is just the texture without the blocking flag. Or you could have a blocking flag without a texture

[ember oxide]

Anyone plays on keyboard only?

[wind ingot]

That can't be real 💀

How do you aim accurately and fast enough to not get absolutely bodied by the demons?

[median cloud]

Its possible in the old dooms haha

[wind ingot]

I thought this was the 2016 channel for some reason

I guess I need glasses

[wind ingot]

Nah but I did mouse only once

[red harbor]

You monster

[vocal summit]

there is no pistol sprite but there's one in zdoom

the fuck is githubusercontent not on the allow list?

[ember oxide]

very possible on classic doom

[red harbor]

it feels so good editing the bad wiki (fandom) to have correct info about the alpha versions

[red harbor]

like if it's gonna be a greedy shithole it should AT LEAST have correct information

[vocal summit]

don't feed them

don't even open that website

[red harbor]

@vocal summit my reasoning

im a bit chaotic on the dnd alignment chart

also god we need more alpha info on the good wiki (doomwiki.org)

we live in a universe where the fucking fandom wiki has more info on the alpha maps

and im gonna be the change in that

[peak quail]

Is the steam doom1+2 include the enhance

[little oar]

Include the enhanced what

[peak quail]

The upgrade

To play multiplayer matches

[little oar]

Doom 1 + 2 is the same game as the consoles got, so yeah

Whatever the consoles have (the games, multiplayer, whatever) the steam version also has

[opaque rose]

Oh speaking of
Whenever I try an join it shows an image of an Ethernet port getting unplugged, what does that mean?

[opaque rose]

Except betray

…we don’t talk about betray…

[red harbor]

bruh how to get to levels 10 and 11 in doom v0.4

i just learned they existed yet cant seem to access them

[little oar]

Bad/no connection maybe?

[opaque rose]

I’m guessing so

Before that I joined a server and we proceeded to speedrun e2, it was very fun

[red harbor]

tcrf says just to type in DOOM E1M10/11 but that doesnt seem to work

[azure nimbus]

perhaps the warp command?

[opaque rose]

Opinion question
Who from the classic ID lineup made the best doom maps?

[red harbor]

idclev? no luck

[little oar]

Romero, easy

And stuff like Sigil shows that he's still really good at it

[opaque rose]

Damn McGee did the entirety of doom 2’s opening

[azure nimbus]

he did not

[split smelt]

Romero is the best IMO he made most of e1 the only maps he didn’t make are e1m4 which he did with all the guys and e1m8 which is a sandy map

[azure nimbus]

yaknow what, I take that back. maps 2 through 7 are all McGee

[opaque rose]

Maps 2-7

[split smelt]

2-7 are good

[azure nimbus]

like ok, Peterson did map01 but still. McGee did a lot of em. And him making map03, 04, and 07 makes so much sense

[split smelt]

Umm atchually its map 02-07 not 2-7

[opaque rose]

Looking at the maps the only one I genuinely dislike from doom 2 is refueling base

It’s the only map that makes me go “oh god this one”

[azure nimbus]

it's good

but maybe you hadn't considered that argument 🧠

[red harbor]

which is? idclev doesnt work

[azure nimbus]

-warp

[red harbor]

oh

yeah give me a sec ill try that

[azure nimbus]

idclev is a cheat for when you're in the game. -warp is the command to enter a level from the command line

idclev requires a two digit number. Warp doesn't care and will accept "1" for map01 just fine. However, -warp needs a space between episode and mission

[red harbor]

yeah no warp doesnt work since this is alpha v0.4

not the leaked v1.4

[azure nimbus]

maybe you can explore the wad in ultimate doom builder and it'd tell you the map numbers

you should be able to play the WAD in another engine that supports warp

[red harbor]

yeah i'll probably throw the wad in chocolate and i'll go from there

nope the wad doesnt work there

huh i just had to type "doom e1m10" in the dos prompt

i thought tcrf meant do that in the game

[azure nimbus]

weird. Are any of the warp commands working like -warp 1 1 to e1m1

[red harbor]

in chocolate or dosbox?

[azure nimbus]

dosbox for this 0.4 version

[red harbor]

because when i add warp to the dos prompt it does nothing

[azure nimbus]

you need the space between episode and map.

[red harbor]

but yeah it works when i just type "doom e1mX" with X meaning the map i wanna warp to

eh if it works idc

thanks for trying to help tho :D

[azure nimbus]

at least you figured it out for this case and now know a new command for usual play

[red harbor]

yeah

[azure nimbus]

Some of the naming of commands don't make sense. Like why is it -coop_spawns but it's -solo-net. Hyphen vs underline?

warping in doom 1 needs a space but not in doom2? But idclev needs a 2 digit spaceless number for both.

[twin mortar]

Probably because DOOM II had no episodes

Or, well, none you could select from the menu anyway

-warp is pre-determined, while in idclev the game has to wait for you to finish inputting the cheat. That's probably the reason

[abstract plank]

if i want to launch smooth doom with another wad can I make a shortcut with one and launc with the other

or can you launch like a lot at the same time

[vale gyro]

Assuming the load order doesn’t cause conflicts, you can load a ton of WADs on top of each other

[abstract plank]

so with the bat files like you were saying

[vale gyro]

Yeah, or preferably a launcher

Much easier to deal with stuff like this when your using one

Launchers basically just allow you to separate everything and still have one single place to look when you wanna play Doom

And make a good amount of things easier

So you don’t gotta muck around with shortcuts and batch files

ZDL’s probably your best choice when it comes to launchers, honestly

I don’t personally use it but ZDL works incredibly well

[azure nimbus]

technology peaked with ZDL. Civilization has been on a downhill since then

[vale gyro]

I’m biased so I’d say my launcher is peak but yeah, ZDL’s too good.

[celest coyote]

ZDL is goated

[abstract plank]

does it work with gzdoom

[vale gyro]

yeah, ZDL will pretty much work with any port you throw at it

Hell, ZDL was made for ZDoom derived ports

[azure nimbus]

my only issue is that ZDL doesn't magically save when my computer crashes

ZDL really strilkes that balance between looking disgusting with its stark white and zero overt decorations but also being organized nicely

[red harbor]

Letting my brother try PrBoom+ (his choice between Chocolate, Crispy, Woof, PrBoom+ and GZDoom)

[vale gyro]

but why PrBoom+ over DSDA?

[red harbor]

Idk I just picked the first 5 that came to mind

[vale gyro]

ah

[red harbor]

Also I don't think he's gonna speedrun anytime soon

[vale gyro]

also, tell him I am sad that he didn't choose Woof

[red harbor]

Yeah it's definitely a good balance between my names for the sides ("Vanilla" and "As long as it can run Doom," I think you can guess what source ports I was referring to in the extremes with those names)

I put PrBoom+ in the "As long as it can run Doom" side only because GZDoom is such a far leap from other ports that I needed to if I wanted it to be even

[ocean willow]

Hey does anyone know why when I play the music in the new Doom + Doom 2 release the midi options sound vastly different from other source ports?

[vale gyro]

it's due to a wonky soundfont

D+D2 doesn't use the MS Wavetable soundfont or an SC-55

[ocean willow]

So it's either those or the originals with the instruments?

[vale gyro]

the originals are SC-55

just that most sourceports when being played on Windows use the MS Wavetable

[ocean willow]

Oooooooooh

[vale gyro]

but the new port uses neither

it uses some weird soundfont

[restive valve]

What do y’all think of doom 2 map 14

[ocean willow]

Which one was that again?

[restive valve]

The one with the big ol city with all the imps

[ocean willow]

Downtown?

[restive valve]

Yeah

I have mixed feelings about it

I was just curious

[ocean willow]

Same, don't fully like it nor do I fully hate it either

I think for the most part it can be fun, just not very beginner friendly on where to go

[restive valve]

I did a whole lot of wandering, even on subsequent play through a

The encounters themselves though are pretty well thought out

[vale gyro]

can't remember it honestly

I don't remember much of Doom 2, more of a Doom 1 person

[ocean willow]

I agree, I like the idea of a very open stage, I just think other Doom 2 maps do that better

[vale gyro]

if you need proof just look at how many copies of Doom 1 I have compared to Doom 2

[ocean willow]

A good example of a map that I personally does the whole city thing better is Map 16: Industrial Zone

That map was a blast imo

[wanton cave]

Our local doom 1 shiller

[restive valve]

Generally I agree with mister penguin however peak doom 2 levels have some of the best design I’ve ever seen in a video game

[wanton cave]

(Jk)

[ocean willow]

That's fair, Doom 2 for me is very odd at times but man when it's good, it's very good. Despite the mixed maps it does make the game very memorable

[restive valve]

Plus the addition of the super shotgun feels like something that should’ve been in the first game

I will say though, it’s a little sad we didn’t get unique tracks for all doom 2 levels

Even if most of the existing ones are bangers

[ocean willow]

True

I loved the music a lot, only wanted more lol

[restive valve]

Sandy’s city was so fire

Running from evil too

[ocean willow]

Message for the Arch-vile is such an odd song but I love it for being odd

[lapis wolf]

I have been playing many SnapMaps that are sooo similar to Custom WADs lol.

The better stuff is kinda hard to find, but the better stuff is on par with some of the best Custom WADs I have played.

[azure nimbus]

I think sometimes people get scared that DSDA is exclusively for speedrunners because it has speedrunning features. But it's good for just about anybody outside of gz stuff

[lapis wolf]

Ones that use custom Geo and/or SnapHaks technology can be very damn cool.

There was one I played that felt quite similar to Abandon just on a newer engine

[azure nimbus]

Abandon has hundreds or even thousands of enemies

[lapis wolf]

Okay?

[lapis wolf]

I don't mean the number of enemies on screen btw

[azure nimbus]

While I'm not saying you're wrong that they're similar, I am skeptical of how similar they are. I haven't played much snapmap but also if it's like customs I would be encouraged to try it more. What about it do you find similar

[lapis wolf]

Aesthetically, vibe, abstractness, exploration, and platforming.

You can't force infighting in the same way, but it gave me a similar vibe and look.

Also long battles, though of course they use advancing waves tricks rather than spawning all at once.

[lapis wolf]

Not the one that gave me Abandon vibes, but this custom boss is extremely impressive:
https://youtu.be/3V6X6sdWhac?si=j-bOx4LdxYGIw3NU

[azure nimbus]

the flexibility was impressive.

[lapis wolf]

Better than Eternal's bosses. Don't @ mee lol

[azure nimbus]

even the gladiator?

What do we have: gladiator, angel lady, and cow man. Then purple guy + spirit demons, red iron man.
Gladiator is pretty strong. Angel lady is a snooze fest, as is cow man. Purple guy drags on quite a while and relies a bit too heavily on spirits. But having two spirits is interesting. Red Iron man is a chore though. Just takes too long with not enough aggression

(though a lil bit of sadge at the two spirits making a full 100 % "no kililng spirits allowed" impossible on AG1)

[peak quail]

Just played doom 1+2 online my god

[lapis wolf]

Hmm .... good point. I'd say on par, but I prefer the darker more Gothic vibe of this boss.

And I find the particle and attack effects a lot more impressive

[feral temple]

hello everyone

is someone have tried to make a uvmax speedrun of master levels for doom 2

can't find that online

[median cloud]

You can find level specific runs usually

[azure nimbus]

https://dsdarchive.com/wads/combine
you'll have to check each individually

[azure nimbus]

you might be able to find some niche all maps playthrough, but the original MLs didn't support continuous play. So DSDA is going to follow suit

[lapis wolf]

Wtf is happening now?

It tells me "You don't have the correct mods to load this save", despite being able to load the WAD and play the WAD

But apparently I can't load saves on it?

How the fricking shit does this KEX port keep getting more and more broken?

[lapis wolf]

I literally have the mod downloaded and subscribed, it's on its main menu, I can load up and play maps on the mod, but apparently I don't have the "correct mods" to load a freaking save file?

[azure nimbus]

maybe you played a duplicate of that mapset before when you made the save?

[lapis wolf]

Nope.

Also it's literally booting up the corresponding WAD when I click the save file, but not to where the save file took place itself, when I click the save to load

[azure nimbus]

official port growing pains I guess

[azure nimbus]

Are you on console btw

[lapis wolf]

Ye

Xbox One S particularly

[lapis wolf]

Yeah so much technical issues wrong with this port lmao

Also these same exact mods let me load save files like a few weeks ago

I don't know what randomly broke them, but I'm guessing it's related to the current update, just like a bunch of other issues are

[fathom atlas]

Has anyone played through legacy of rust on nightmare yet

[split smelt]

Nope

It might be too hard tho

Like e1m6 might not be possible but im trash at NM

E1m6 of LOR

[restive valve]

I am unfortunately not a gaming god so I cannot beat hardly anything on nightmare

[split smelt]

Ive only did episode 3 on NM and doom 2 map 01-08

Episode 1,2 and 4 of doom 1 are too grindy on NM for me

Well i did e1m1 e1m2 and e1m8 in e1

[lapis wolf]

Now for some fucking reason it's affecting ALL my mods, except Eviternity

Jesus Christ Nightdive needs better management

[split smelt]

Yeah the coop is horrendous

[lapis wolf]

Oh no. I'm referring to a different issue.

Never played the co-op

[split smelt]

The loading into dead simple after the text well it teleports you in a wall i think

The port keeps crashing

[lapis wolf]

Wait no THT Threnody lets me load as well

[split smelt]

There is some issues i found when playing some wads

Lost civilization map 10 dosent work properly the conveyor belts and silent teleporters are different than in boom ports

But there is silent teleporters and conveyor belts in LoR

Overboard map 01 dosent work

My biggest issue with the port is that

Here are the maps in the iwads you can play deathmatch on all the others are locked e1m1 doom 2 map 01,07,11 tnt map 01 plutonia map 30 and sigil e5m1

[lapis wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239360180966260802/1283415481541460119/IMG_20240911_061405515_1.jpg?ex=66e2e94f&is=66e197cf&hm=8b9b94b28cc1498da72c96802afe53463a59c16ee9b879df363fdadf2c104a9f&

Agh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239360180966260802/1283415480832491562/IMG_20240911_060925143_2.jpg?ex=66e2e94f&is=66e197cf&hm=769342d9a96bbf6c9d29ac9226429d466d071625b315976da6600169e61e1455&

This port is so fucking abhorrent

[lapis wolf]

Hey port, are you high ?https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239360180966260802/1283417473009451070/IMG_20240911_062149114.jpg?ex=66e2eb2a&is=66e199aa&hm=30d1186cb46fb9452d1f76e8e542414075d7fa742bb9bc1a77ef6187bf6b6f37&

Playing it right here

"You do not have the correct mods to load this save", my fucking ass.

[lapis wolf]

Only Eviternity and THT Threnody let me actually load saves

[tropic timber]

What port is it

[lapis wolf]

The DOOM 1+2 KEX port.

Never had loading a save file errors until this week.

No idea why this is happening

[split smelt]

Bug

It happened to me with overboard which is already bugged with this port

Imma play on crispy doom instead

Because for some reason i have DSDA GZ ETERNITY WOOF CHOCOLATE RETRO and CRISPY

I might have more

Because of the RRSP3

Which contains a lot of ports

RRSP3 means random russian speedmapping pack 3

[red harbor]

guys what source port should i subject my brother to next (PrBoom was his first choice)

[little oar]

Depends
If you want to torture him and make him have an awful time, give him gzdoom
Otherwise give him chocolate doom

[split smelt]

Id say eternity or crispy

Eternity is great

And crispy is like chocolate but better

Or doom95 if you want bro to suffer

If you want him to love it make him try DSDA its awesome! its pretty much prboom+ but better

Because of the advanced hud i love it

[red harbor]

i love chocolate from a vanilla standpoint, but gz isnt too bad if you turn off the texture filtering (seriously why is that the default)

[split smelt]

My father likes texture filtering

[red harbor]

you sure he isnt a demon?

[split smelt]

Im pretty sure he aint one

[red harbor]

last i checked mostly demons enjoy texture filtering

[split smelt]

Well one thing that makes me worried is that he wont go for 100%

Get all kills and secrets please cmon

He once said that gzdoom was one of the closest ports to the original doom

Well it was a 2007 version of gz but still

[red harbor]

ok, listen to me. RIP AND TEAR, UNTIL IT IS DONE.

he's def a demon

either that or the only other source port he knows of is fucking Doomsday

[split smelt]

He knows chocolate but he says that its sucks

Which is KINDA agree on crispy is just better

But cmon he played doom when it released but there is no excuse to know this little

Also for him
Slaughter = bad
Lot of switches = bad
New monsters = bad

He is the ultimate purist at this point

But not at all in terms of ports

The kind of guy that would hate ancient aliens, eviternity, valiant

[red harbor]

bruh

im a purist and even i would say custom shit is cool

im more of a dosbox/straight up dos hardware when i get some guy but i like source ports still

[split smelt]

Im not really a purist but dont think about forcing me to freelook/crouch/jump in a doom wad

Imma idclip instead

[red harbor]

oh yeah fuck FORCING me to do that

i'll do it on my own thank you very much in source ports

i only use freelook if it isnt the software renderer because it SUCKS when it's the software renderer

[split smelt]

Also fuck reloading

[red harbor]

yes, fuck reloading

[split smelt]

If there is reloading in a wad/mod straight to the bin

[red harbor]

im here to make it feel more modern, not add stuff that they wouldn't have added even if they could in '93 (reloading, true recoil)

i love freelook and jumping (i'll take crouching if it's available but that never sees use) but fuck reloading

[split smelt]

One mod i use sometimes is for smooth weapons

Its just visual

[red harbor]

fake recoil (shakes your screen but doesnt affect your aim) is great though, i love it when that's available

[split smelt]

Like the doom64 chaingun?

[red harbor]

doom64 does that?

👍

midway my beloved

[split smelt]

Yes the chaingun has visual recoil and the rocket launcher and ssg have real recoil SAD

[red harbor]

MIDWAY YOU WERE SO CLOSE WHY DID YOU FUMBLE

YOU ALMOST HAD IT

[twin magnet]

dont remember e4m2 being this much of a bitch wow

[red harbor]

anyways here's my current list of doom source ports to subject my brother to (in order of most to least vanilla IMHO):

Chocolate Doom
Crispy Doom
Woof
Eternity
GZDoom

[azure nimbus]

"slaughter = bad" purists when they play map16 of doom2 :(

[digital arch]

Why is doom engine's language bar mostly c++?

On github I mean

[lapis wolf]

Wow looks like a lot of people are having the "you don't have the correct mods to load this save" despite having the mod issue

[lapis wolf]

I saw on Reddit and Facebook

[noble fractal]

you know it didnt occur to me but the kex port doesnt have maximum doom

i can understand why but its still funny to me

[azure nimbus]

a set that hasn't been included for a very very long time

[red token]

Why weren't Doom Zero and Sigil 2 included on the main menu of Doom+Doom 2?

I know you can play them as a mod, but it confuses me

Sigil 2 is the sequel of Sigil made by Romero, so it would make sense

Doom Zero as far as I know was a new official wad back in the day

[twin mortar]

I don't remember if this is accurate or not, but from what I've heard SIGIL II came out too late in development for them to main menu it

Also DOOM Zero was never official

[red token]

I always tought Doom Zero was official

[twin mortar]

Well then, you thought wrong

[celest coyote]

Thatcher’s Techbase is so funny and well done

But maybe I’m also a sucker for blue

[red harbor]

i made a source port alignment chart (not the dnd kind) for no reason

[lapis wolf]

Apparently you can also play SIGIL 2 by selecting Episode 6 on SIGIL 1

So I guess technically SIGIL II is part of the main release

[red token]

Oh cool, it's better this way honestly

[red token]

Well technically yes. I understand why they did this, because Sigil 2 it's just 9 levels, so they united both

[vale gyro]

Well, E6M8’s barely a level

It’s more of a waiting game near the end, sadly

[red token]

I don't remember much about Sigil 2. Was that the level with like 4 cyberdemons? Or something like that

[vale gyro]

2 cybies and a mastermind

At least on HMP

Or well, could be wrong about the number of cyber demons

[red token]

Ok, it's still not better ahahaha

[vale gyro]

But I know for sure it had one mastermind

[red token]

Yeah that level was underwhelming

[vale gyro]

But yeah, the whole thing with it is you make them infight

And then you wait outside the arena, not even hearing the gunshots mind you, for about 6 minutes

[red token]

I am hyped about Romero's Doom 2 episode he is going to make

[vale gyro]

Yeah

I played One Humanity and quite liked it

It was the first demo I ever viddumped

[red token]

I am replaying recently TNT Evilution, I like it, but sometimes the levels feel too easy and there are so many empty spaces that feel so unfinished because there aren't many enemies and most of them are soldiers and imps

And sometimes I don't understand why they made certain parts of levels. Like the second level with those stairs but the first step it's too high so you have to run from a high point...like why?

[lapis wolf]

THT Threnody is amazing I'd say

[abstract plank]

why are so many wads only on zdoom forums if the zdoom forums are always down

are hell levels realyl hard to make it's like 90% of wads are just military bases

i dont think doom would have been big if it didn't have episode 3

if it was just like a ww2 fps with the exact same engine

[red harbor]

the non-ornery side of me is taking a turn

for my own sanity i hope it stays that way

[red harbor]

because when im orney im like "i wanna beat every version on every difficulty!" then i remember just how bad for my sanity that would be

[lunar rune]

??? Shareware DOOM was massive and is the reason it's popular lmao

[abstract plank]

you're just shooting bald guys on a moon? That's not as cool as fighting demons in hell

[lunar rune]

Sure I like Episode 2 and 3 more than 1, but Episode 1 was far more popular than those two and influenced people to buy the actual game

[vale gyro]

Yeah

[abstract plank]

I know they can't make the shareware cooler than the rest of the game or nobody'l buy it but there's no reason to make it uncool on purpose

[vale gyro]

Y’know that metric about Doom being installed more than Windows? Thats because of the shareware.

[lunar rune]

Dude people love episode 1

[abstract plank]

coming up with cool stuff is the easiest part of making games

[lunar rune]

Most people think episode 1 is better than 2 and 3

John Romero did a great job

[abstract plank]

Maybe you're right I'll replay it

[vale gyro]

I love 2 but 1’s pretty good as well

[abstract plank]

I just remember episode 1 and doom 2 and final doom having lots of plain skies and brown and gray and green rooms

[lunar rune]

Personally I like 2 and 3 better but it's not like 1 being bad

[lunar rune]

Final DOOM?? TNT and Plutonia have stunning maps

[abstract plank]

that game is so big I should have taken more screenshots when i played it

[median trellis]

knee deep in the dead has the best level design out of the first 3 episodes

[lunar rune]

It has the most consistent and smooth level design

[abstract plank]

I know they kept hte red sky for later parts of the game

[median trellis]

plutonia has the best level design out of the 4 IWADs

[abstract plank]

that pagoda angor wat thing near the end was awesome

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/903358333027766283/1283513988105244725/image.png?ex=66e3450d&is=66e1f38d&hm=24c9b031dd03c1e7ac4db1b9bb62017531e17863d2f919f0438e342815251ed6&

[lunar rune]

Imo TNT is better visually

[lunar rune]

Hey that's Mount Pain, my least favourite TNT level lmfao

[median trellis]

I love plutonia's jungle aesthetic early on

it's a fresh change of scenery from techbases hell and cities

[lunar rune]

Oh definitely

[abstract plank]

this is how cool all the maps should look they shouldn't have had happy looking sky levels

all the red makes the game so colorful

[median trellis]

a good skybox can carry

[lunar rune]

Habitat tried changing things up but we all know Habitat

[median trellis]

lol

[abstract plank]

like undying, that game has probably the best sky design ever

it's almost 50% of the game experience

I'd just swap the sky out of levels if I knew how

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/903358333027766283/1283515040841863248/image.png?ex=66e34608&is=66e1f488&hm=8beb0ab2db246b1e3ffcd94e6ccac1742914346d48e705f5e7836cc29df592e1&

if they'd ever make a doom game where the goal is to decorate a level I'd have such a blast with that

I only know how to use the swat 4 level editor

[lapis wolf]

E3 is probably the least popular episode

[lapis wolf]

Doom 64 vibes

[red harbor]

wait you can send images?

[vale gyro]

You can copy the link to an image and send it

[red harbor]

huh

never knew that

[red token]

Too bad that some TNT maps are forgettable and have a lot of spaces full of nothing, then some levels have some good doomcute and some are just bad looking. TNT is good but it shouldn't have been an official expansion

[red harbor]

i love how one of the e4m1 secrets is just like 15 barons

[warm palm]

Very fun to me, very blood, very gore. and very gore is fun.

[vale gyro]

I’d like it more if it didn’t force you to use freelook

I don’t like GZ as is, but freelook is a no go

[warm palm]

Yeah for real, quite annoying

[vale gyro]

To be fair I’d still dislike it

[abstract plank]

even worse than freelook is when you have to aim

people that play games with autoaim off are outta their minds

[warm palm]

Ah yes, i like actually playing the game

but doom has to have autoaim

[red harbor]

if im gonna have freelook, im gonna wanna aim

[onyx blade]

Do people actually prefer free look?

[abstract plank]

i like it in build 3d

[spice radish]

Episode 3 has Limbo and Limbo sucks massive balls

I am a die hard e3m7 hater

[vale gyro]

A ton of people refuse to play the classics just because you can’t look up or down

So yeah, people will prefer it

[abstract plank]

what is there to even see ify ou look up

[vale gyro]

Nothing really unless the WAD is built for it

It’s just that people think these games are “bad” because of their age

Don’t believe me? Ask anyone in my friend group.

[modest torrent]

does anyone know why forum.zdoom.org is completely blank?

nvm is it down says it's just completely broken right now...

[onyx blade]

True I guess

[gentle compass]

Ya some stuff is down on the classic Doom community side

Happens every so often, should be back up soonish

[azure nimbus]

me when I lie

[azure nimbus]

enemy group

Honestly idk how someone can be an "old game bad"head when every modern triple A release is panned for being the 11th release of the same game in a row for a morbililon dollars, doesn't work, takes 100 GB, spies on you somehow, only works online, and has microtransactions and you have to pay per map, and has daily grind bs to get you addicted (or open worlds with massive maps and boring repetitive collectable content)

[amber herald]

Exatly

The only new games i play are retro indies that are less than 1gb

[spice radish]

Limbo more like Lamebo

[vale gyro]

yeah, that's what I say

all they play is Fortnite, CS2, Val, etc.

I got only one friend that'll play Doom 2 deathmatch with me

[spice radish]

I miss CS:GO, CS2’s Arm Race game mode needs to be fully integrated before I return to that game

Monastery my beloved

[fallow canopy]

What source port you got?

Guys I need help

How do I get the blue skull in MAP19: The Citadel

[fallow canopy]

I play DM in D+D2, but any source port is good for me (except Zandronum, it just won't work)

[vale gyro]

I use D+D2

as the connection on there is ironically better than Zand + TSPG

as my friend lives close

[dire seal]

Hey guys been having a problem I don't know how to fix with the re-release Doom 1+2.

To summarize, the game played fine with my controller. One day I go to remote share play with my friend, and ever since I've done that it doesn't recognize the controller in game play. What's weird is that in menus it'll accept my input but not when actually trying to play. Curious if anyone has had this problem or knows how to fix it

[fallow canopy]

Wanna Deathmatch rn?

[vale gyro]

not rn, nah

[fallow canopy]

Damn, good that I didn't ask my friend

[fallow canopy]

Aight is cool

https://tenor.com/view/super-shotgun-doom-doom-slayer-my-beloved-heart-gif-27227253

[dire seal]

Yeah I'm really l, really bummed out

Found the fix. Had to start another remote play session. In the game settings you can change the main controller you're using back to player 1. Idk why it didn't let me before.

[stone stone]

When it comes to performance testing with the KEX engine, the test with nuts was easy to understand, but has anyone tried it with Speed of Doom Map30?

[fallow canopy]

Probably not. Finding mods in that thingamajig is a shenanigan on its own.

[split smelt]

Perfection perfected

[split smelt]

If we could upload speed of doom i would try but we cant

I tried trust me

There is a problem with the existence of map 33 and something called Umapinfo

I did upload dimensions because i knew killer5 wouldn’t upload it because well the last time he was on doomworld was 5 years ago

Anyone knows a good multiplayer wad i want to play with my father

[red harbor]

Co-Op or Deathmatch?

[celest coyote]

Gothic 99 if deathmatch, Valiant, 3ha3, or Ancient Aliens if co-op

Or throw your dad into Abandon co-op and bond for hours in each map lol

[split smelt]

Coop but he would probably hate valiant

I gave up on abandon you could say that i abandoned it

Ok i deserve the hate for this horrible joke

[celest coyote]

How far did ya get?

[split smelt]

i stopped at the one who starts with 3 cybers and A LOT of revenant it’s mostly a green looking map

[celest coyote]

Hmmm there’s a few green levels in Abandon

Any idea the name or map number?

I’m currently at map 11 myself

[left siren]

late, but I know if you wanted to do this with the MAPINFO file, you'd have to individually put in which sky texture you want to use for each level. but as far as I know, to do that you need to rewrite pretty much everything for every level in the game.

you'd have to put in the next level, the sky texture, and the music at the very least for each individual level just to make it functional in a Vanilla way.

[celest coyote]

You don’t have to specify what music is played in MAPINFO if you upload your midis with the correct placeholder name for each level which can be found online. That’s how I do the music in my wad so far and it’s boom-compatible

skytextures need to be specified once and then I think the sky stays level to level until you specify a new skytexture to use in your wad

I only called on a new skytexture at the beginning of episode 2 of my wad and don’t need to keep calling it for subsequent levels

[abstract plank]

wow its that complicated

[left siren]

but that's only if you add in music. as many times as I've made a MAPINFO file, if I haven't specified any music, none will play throughout the whole level.

[left siren]

this I didn't know though, that's pretty cool

[left siren]

it's only that complicated because of how the Doom engine works. the MAPINFO file controls a lot about the game in general, so changing one thing could affect another thing, depending. if you wanted to get super simple, you could replace the sky textures themselves, just having the same name as the original.

[red flame]

hi

[left siren]

lol hi

[red flame]

does classic doom like weapon sprite like thing counts as #artwork ?

[left siren]

I'm not sure to be honest, but that's the only place you really can post it ig

[red flame]

well i mean it kind of is art, and its related to doom, so i think i can post it

[celest coyote]

Really? That’s funny. I’ve only ever tinkered with my one wad, but that’s an interesting result

[left siren]

I'm not sure if the songs are locked to a specific order or what though. I'm gonna try with Doom 2 and see if the level order messes with the song order at all.

[red harbor]

thoughts on wadsmoosh?

i think it's great but it sucks that you cant really idclev since it uses the doom2 map table for that afaik

[left siren]

if you're using ZDoom or one of it's derivatives, "idclev <levelnum>" works

unless whoever made it didn't give the levels numbers

[red harbor]

im using gzdoom but it always seems to send me to doom 2 levels

maybe im just bad at telling levels apart

[left siren]

hold on, let me redownload it real quick and test

[left siren]

JP's wadsmoosh, or the wadsmoosh+?

[red harbor]

JP

[left siren]

I'm looking in the MAPINFO files that were generated by wadsmoosh, and most of the levels don't have numbers

Doom, Sigil, and Sigil II all have levelnums, but none of the other WADs I put in got levelnums put for them

so you would probably have to do it manually, adding in the levelnums for the ones that are missing

[red harbor]

alright

also you said something about a wadsmoosh+?

[left siren]

yeah, if you look on the comments of the Itch.io page JP has, a guy made a comment talking about it and linking it

it just adds more WADs that are compatible

not sure how the MAPINFO generation works for that one though

[red harbor]

its worth a shot just to see

give me a sec ill try it

[left siren]

that's what I'm doing lol

[left siren]

same thing

[red harbor]

shame

i'll still check it out for the added wad support tho

[left siren]

it adds in a good bit

TNT Revilution, Plutonia 2, No End in Sight, and both phases of Freedoom

[finite crag]

No Legacy of Rust
:^/

[left siren]

it was put out only like 2 days after LoR came out lol

and wadsmoosh was ended a couple days before Doom I + II

[red harbor]

me who doesn't have Doom + Doom II:

[left siren]

I was actually way wrong

Feb 22nd

[left siren]

it's honestly worth it just for Legacy of Rust alone imo

[red harbor]

ive got more imprtant things to put money towards right now anyways

[left siren]

fair

[abstract plank]

wait but that's like 100 times easier does that work with the music too

as long as its named the same

[left siren]

yep

I was doing that just yesterday trying to make my a midi soundtrack from downloads off the internet lol

[abstract plank]

I'm so making a barbie dream house level

[left siren]

it's also not hard to replace textures

and after learning literally earlier today, it's not hard to add them in Vanilla either lol

[left siren]

cause there are some instances where you might want original Doom textures without them being replaced

pk3s are the easiest way to add in new textures though, but switch textures and animated textures are definitely easier through Vanilla

[left siren]

yeah, if music goes unspecified after you add in a map line, it doesn't play any music whatsoever.

[celest coyote]

That's odd, it usually just plays whatever iwad music is in the slot, since mine is a doom 2 wad, it plays doom 2 midis wherever the music isn't specified

[austere tangle]

Anyone think there should be an achievement for beating Plutonia's Go 2 It

[lunar rune]

Nowadays it is definitely not that difficult

[teal ravine]

i have a fake doom difficulty i just made,
i call it:

ULTRA NIGHTMARE+

[vale gyro]

describe it

and I could try making it in Minty Doom (I'm probably not)

[red harbor]

Oops! All Cyberdemons!

[teal ravine]

enemies do the same amount of damage as bfg balls.
turbo pinkes and specters speeds are doubled.
enemies have x4 as much health.
and drops are duobled.

[vale gyro]

that makes it literally impossible

[teal ravine]

BUT!

[red harbor]

Dude you could just smack yourself in the balls with a sledgehammer, I'm sure it'd be easier

[teal ravine]

GUNS DO MORE X4 DAMAGE!

[red harbor]

So the health boost is pointless???

[teal ravine]

eh

[red harbor]

I've made shitty challenge runs back on the day but they were just super tedious, this is just impossible.

[vale gyro]

if I could I'd make a cheat that upped all player damage by 200%

but I'm too dumb for that lol

[red harbor]

I'm sure my joke response of "Oops, All Cyberdemons!" Is more feasible to complete lol

[vale gyro]

so it'd make the damage AND health increase worthless?

and then on top of that make the faster projectiles and more aggressive enemies Nightmare has almost completely worthless when it comes to difficulty increase

[red harbor]

Wait genuine question would it be possible to beat Doom if every enemy was a Cyberdemon (Nightmare difficulty btw because suffering)?

[vale gyro]

it'd make E1 near impossible

and maybe E2

[split smelt]

my father loved BTSX E1 🙂

we played in coop

[vale gyro]

actually, all of Doom 1 and UDoom

some Doom 2 maps may be possible

[vale gyro]

:)

[red harbor]

True, E1M8 would be a pain in the ass given there's 2 of them with only a Chaingun at best (WHY ARE THEY IMMUNE TO SPLASH DAMAGE)

Guys I think Vega hates Ultra Nightmare+

[vale gyro]

it makes sense why Cybies are immune to splash damage

[teal ravine]

ammo amount: 1 million

[vale gyro]

but not Masterminds imo

[teal ravine]

pain chance/time: 0

lol also the status bar faces eye would be red on ultra nightmare+, and the bloody levels have be incresed

[red harbor]

Somebody get Linkin Park to sign on this

[teal ravine]

and if you die, you restart the whole episode! like wolfenstien3d

[vale gyro]

well, in Wolf3D you have lives right?

[teal ravine]

yes

so did doom when it was still in development

[red harbor]

Ok I'd rather hit my balls with a sledgehammer than play this difficulty

I'm gonna be honest

[teal ravine]

also trying to use cheats kills the player

[red harbor]

Or you could be funny and send them to the backrooms

Kinda like MyHouse did

[teal ravine]

yeah

🙂

[vale gyro]

honestly Nightmare+ should just be Nightmare with only 1.5 ammo drop and this

[teal ravine]

there's also,
"whining little baby" aka "super easy"

it's to easy

[vale gyro]

literally the FHHALL cheat

kills all enemies on the map instantly

[teal ravine]

basicly, enemies speed is 3/4
enemies do a quarter as much damage
your gun damage is the same.
and also the music (for fun) is a musicbox cover (the one used in the window soundfont)

[calm abyss]

Hey, how do I fix autoaim for gzdoom? it's not going very far

[vale gyro]

don't use GZDoom /j

I'm assuming it's not going as far as it does in vanilla?

[calm abyss]

Yeah. was trying to shoot a caco that really wasnt too far away and it was just hitting the ground for some reason?

[vale gyro]

maybe an enemy was under you?

that happens quite a bit in vanilla

[halcyon willow]

under player settings, but the autoaim distance limit is hard coded at engine level iirc

[calm abyss]

engine level?

[calm abyss]

I dont think so, from where I am i couldnt see an enemy under me

[vale gyro]

basically it's in the code and can't be exactly changed by scripts

[halcyon willow]

the distance limit on autoaim is part of the original game code

[calm abyss]

ah

well i feel like the distance I was at should've been fine

I know autoaim does stop working at a certain distance but its pretty far and this was pretty close

[lunar rune]

For hitscan it's about ~2048 map units

BFG tracers it's 1024

[scenic wedge]

i wish there were mods for the nintendo switch version

[calm abyss]

yeah, this was way under that distance I dont really understand ;-;

[azure nimbus]

so they dont hurt themselves. In the oldest versions of doom, monsters could infight with themselves which a splash damaging monster is highly vulnerable to. While for a 4000 health monster it matters very little, them hurting themselves is a bit weird. Spideremonds? I assume they just copy pasted the unique boss code which is used to make e2m8 work onto the e3m8 boss

[unreal pike]

can doomworld run doom?

[vale gyro]

if it had that web version of DOSBOX embedded into it yeah

[unreal pike]

so, the problem is , does forum system of doomworld support embedding dosbox

[vale gyro]

doubt it

[unreal pike]

why?

[vale gyro]

as embedding DOSBOX is quite hard to do in a normal sense

as it has to be built into the website

maybe if one website hosted it and then the website could be embedded into Doomworld

[fallow canopy]

I am currently stuck in Monster Condo can someone help

[stone stone]

The map33 itself is not present in normal play at the entrance itself, so uploading a deleted version is just fine for now.
Nevertheless, it seems that the Umapinfo support will be the next issue for the Kex port. (It feels katateoti not to support mbf21 even though it does)

[austere tangle]

I did it... I finally beat the entirety of DOOM + DOOM II

What I mean by that is that I've beated all eight main wads included

[half minnow]

Now beat all browser wads

[thick token]

wverythings easy umtil it comes to the eventual revenant bus

[fathom atlas]

and nuts

[fathom atlas]

youre farther in than me brah

maybe consult bigmacdavis on youtube for help

[median cloud]

Where are you stuck?

[median cloud]

Damn thats crazy Ive just finished the master levels. Doing NRFTL next

the E2M6 remake is great goddamn

[fathom atlas]

with how much decino knows about doom and its engine and the code and all that, has he ever actually made a map

[oblique plaza]

a site w/ list of the newest wads for og doom games pls?

[oblique plaza]

also, where do u dwnload your doom 2 fan art from? me mainly from pinterest, I can DM u all 3000 pix I have grabbed so far

[weak python]

Is there a doom mod where you can play wads continuously? I wanted to try it out with the Hexen Wrath of Cronos mod.

[rotund dew]

He did in that nightmare only wad

Not even remotely fair iirc

[hardy lintel]

Hay anyone know how to assign a reload button for Led's Generic Weapons?

[azure nimbus]

doomworld

[split smelt]

Now beat the featured wads 🙂

[split smelt]

Yes!

Go check on doomwiki

[fathom atlas]

Decino is so cool he could actually just join id software if he wanted to

[split smelt]

Have you seen his physique?

He buff

[fathom atlas]

He made something for poogers

[fathom atlas]

Yeah he mad hot

Will do that ty

[split smelt]

Im not gay but decino is decino

In the pinned comment you can find something

In the 100k vid

[fathom atlas]

Why is he moving around like he’s in an insim

[red harbor]

man i love zdl but i hate how you cant launch external files seperately from the normal iwads, i dont wanna have to turn off all my maps just to NOT play Sigil or Master Levels

[azure nimbus]

what do you mean? Like you want to play a pwad mapset without the iwads? That's not possible. That's how iwads work and it's necessary that they work that way legally

[red harbor]

no like i need to disable the pwads to play the normal iwads

mb if i worded it weird

like im tryna play doom 1 not master levels

[azure nimbus]

that's not really zdl's fault

[red harbor]

also how do i run sigil_shreds and sigil at the same time in zdl, i cant seem to find out how

[azure nimbus]

Idk what shreds is, but I've always been able to launch two things simultaniously if I have them both not crossed off in the external files section

[red harbor]

the buckethead soundtrack

[azure nimbus]

does the soundtrack play if you only run shreds with doom1

If it does, try switching the load order(changing which is above the other visually using the arrow button). If it doesn't, it's probably not working because of the port

[red harbor]

works, thanks my man

[azure nimbus]

the reason that it wasn't working is that both sigil and shreds have music info. So you have to tell ZDL which has priority. Usually, if you're running multiple pwads, you'll only have one effect a particular aspect. Maybe a level set with a gameplay change for example

[red harbor]

Am I able to fix it myself or do I just have to deal with it?

[azure nimbus]

You should only launch the files that you want to use.

Maybe there's stuff you could do by programming your own port and or wad files to be able to load everything at once - but I think every step of that would be more tedious than just deselecting what you don't want to use. It is nice for sigil 1 and 2 though that they run in separate episodes 5 and 6 from the original 4. But then the moment you play another set that uses e5 or e6, you get the same issue

[median cloud]

Do u guys play Doom in opengl?

[azure nimbus]

OpenGL is good

[median cloud]

Ive noticed opengl gives me coil whine in dsda-doom

[azure nimbus]

coil whine?

[median cloud]

but dsda doesnt have a vulkan option like kex does

[median cloud]

Hard to explain its a background whiny noise

u can look it up on google

[azure nimbus]

A noise? OpenGL is a visual renderer

[median cloud]

you should google what coil whine is

I cant really explain it well enough

but basically some visual games can produce that noise

and opengl does that for me which is definitely annoying

[azure nimbus]

There's a lot that I don't know so if this is a real thing ok. But at the very least, I haven't heard it

[median cloud]

Okay I solved it

it was caused by uncapped fps, capping my fps to 240 solved it

[red harbor]

Nah I use Vulkan, mainly because I'm currently stuck with my AMD iGPU (because my dedicated one was defective )

[azure nimbus]

Makes sense. I run on 35 Hz

[red harbor]

am i missing any good wads?

• Ultimate Doom
• No End In Sight
• Sigil
• Sigil II
• Doom II: Hell On Earth
• Master Levels For Doom II
• No Rest For The Living
• Perdition's Gate (the retail one)
• Hell To Pay
• Final Doom (Evilution and Plutonia)
• TNT Revilution
• Plutonia 2
• Freedoom Phase 1 & 2

[red harbor]

And before you say Legacy of Rust, I'm working on that. I have some stuff I need to buy first though.

[opaque rose]

what are the map controls?

issnt there a way to show more stuff?

[median cloud]

Master levels arent good

Add alien vendetta and eviternity

[red harbor]

dw im pistol starting

mainly because thats the default for the master levels menu mod i use

[median cloud]

That wont improve the quality of the maps

[red harbor]

either way im mainly asking for what to add to the list of wads i have

[split smelt]

here we go

there is a LOT

GOING DOWN speed of doom alien vendetta valiant eviternity ancient aliens plutonia 2 tnt revilution

im too lazy to name more

[red harbor]

i already have Plutonia 2 and Revilution lol

[hexed escarp]

eviternity, eviternity 2, valiant, scythe 2

[urban trench]

Ancient Aliens

[celest coyote]

The Three Hours of Agony series by the French Doom Community is also a good community mapset. 3ha3.wad (the third one) is the one I love the most

[split smelt]

H*ck yeah 👍

Map 16 is PERFECT

Leave your sol behind

[lapis wolf]

What do y'all think of BTS X E1 and E2?

Personally my opinion has soured on them a lot, after playing a plethora of much better WADs, but I still think BTS X E1 is pretty good, and E2 is straight up great during the second half

Might be one of the best MIDI OSTs of all time though

[split smelt]

I havent played btsx e2 yet

[lapis wolf]

Interception 2
Marble Hill
Dungeons and Demons
Ancient Aliens
Swim with the Whales
Stardate (any Stardate really)
THT Thernody
Auger Zenith
Struggle: Antaresian Legacy
Ray Mohawk 2: Ray Wreaks Havoc!
Pagodia
Valiant
Legend of the Hidden Tech
Quinary Conundrum
Dead but Dreaming
Eldritch Voyage
Lunar Strain
Tempest Enterprise
Zeppelin Armada
DOOM 4 Vanilla (DOOM II)
DOOM II Classic Redux

[fallow canopy]

Guys does anyone know who made the map Monster Condo? I need to have a talk with them

Also, the chasm

[lapis wolf]

Have even more recommendations than this, but anyway, Ancient Aliens is my #1 out of everything.

The GOAT of WADs in my opinion.

But y'all should play Interception 2 and THT Threnody anyway

[lapis wolf]

I believe it's Sandy Petersen for both, though personally I really like Monster Condo

[half minnow]

Sandy made almost all of the Doom 2 levels

[median trellis]

sandy petersen is goated

[lapis wolf]

He gets too much hate for someone who only made like 2 or 3 subpar maps

[median trellis]

his maps were creative and had unique ideas

[red harbor]

Damn props to him. Doom 1 had better levels though IMHO

Hard to top Romero though

Wait there's gotta be a better way to say that

is there a way to easily organise my PWADS in ZDL?

[half minnow]

From what I remember, the other id members didn't really try to make levels at the time or had other stuff they needed to do. So it was basically all up to Sandy

[lapis wolf]

Romero is only really E1 and E4.

E2 and E3 was mostly Sandy Petersen and Tom Hall.

So basically the same as DOOM II

[austere tangle]

How much was Romero involved with Doom II besides being the final boss

[azure nimbus]

he did make a bunch of levels at the very least

20, 29 come to mind

[surreal portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/497294084348575754/1284298952040251410/image.png?ex=66e6201b&is=66e4ce9b&hm=07fbf08dfb32f66670c4ad7ac1c14cb66059b0785ed97194031d4ad59f6f695a& I've joined the club
All on UV

That cyberdemon on E4M7 is pain

that level was pain in general

feels good conquering it tho

[half minnow]

John only had like 5 maps

[red harbor]

he never gave a specific number

and 5 is a bunch to some people

so he's not wrong

[half minnow]

Eh
When Sandy made like 17 of the levels it doesnt really seem like much at all

[surreal portal]

yeah, compared to Ultimate Doom Romero did a lot less mapwise

9 solo contributions and he helped do Command Control

[red harbor]

it sucks trying to organize my mods in zdl

[zealous plaza]

@surreal portal i missing Doom II and Expansions

[surreal portal]

im working on Doom 2 atm

tricks and traps done now

[gusty bobcat]

tbh, John's work on D2 is his weakest IMO

Sandy had something interesting going on with most of the levels he made, at least

[red harbor]

Guys what's your opinion on The Thing You Can't Defeat?

[gusty bobcat]

personally not a fan
mid horror imo

[vale gyro]

never played or even heard of it

[vale gyro]

also hello again

[gusty bobcat]

it's a creppypasta-level gzd horror wad

[gusty bobcat]

hi yet again, i have returned