classic-doom

[azure nimbus]

tylenal

I'm sorry I like BTSX but I don't find myself pumping out a dozen levels at once

[red harbor]

Guys it's possible to get 100% kills on E1M8 (Ultimate Doom on GZDoom, so could just be due to engine quirks). I've only tested this on HMP, but it's likely possible on lower difficulties and maybe even UV with this method. Just spam rockets in a circle, it's that simple

[vale gyro]

yeah, it's been known it's possible

ZeroMaster (?) figured that out

[red harbor]

damn he really does everything

[red harbor]

huh, i just figured it out myself trying to get 100% kills lol

[lapis wolf]

IMO Part 2 is even better.

Especially Map 25

[plush tundra]

has anyone played The Hotel: Lost Contact on doom before

[plush tundra]

nvm i figured out my issue

[azure nimbus]

zero master did it pistol start too

[spiral aurora]

you guys pumped for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mhdGeQ9NHo

[little oar]

This'll be really cool for 5 levels until you realize you still have to play doom 2

[viscid jay]

If I was able to play it I probably wouldn’t

[little oar]

Pretty lights will not distract you from the level design for long

[viscid jay]

The lighting is just WAY TOO MUCH for me…looks wonky

[little oar]

^

[viscid jay]

But the blood splatter effects are cool

[little oar]

Not to put this project down, I'm sure this is some impressive feat of doom modding, but I never really got the obsession with adding RTX to everything, especially old games that weren't made for it

Just looks kind of tacky

[viscid jay]

I agree,
I think RTX fits into modern games
Not old doom personally
It’s just dooms lighting is kinda perfect as it is…and it’s a game made in 1993

It’s like putting RTX in Mario

[little oar]

Yeah, ID really perfected what their limited engine could do. Adding to it would mess with that

Same for stuff like quake 2 except in that game it just looks like you arrived right after the janitor finished mopping the place

[viscid jay]

I wanna like quake 1 personally but I think the levels look too…muddy

It’s so weird…

[little oar]

The gritty unclean vibe fits quake 1 so well, I can't imagine it looking good with bloom all over the place and shiny floors

It's a different kind of art style ig. More abandoned/unhuman in nature, like the place around you is barely holding together

[viscid jay]

Not saying it needs to change it’s just strange to look at

[vale gyro]

it looks ugly to me

[celest coyote]

[viscid jay]

Doom I can understand.
Hell is trying to take over mars/earth and it’s colliding with it

[celest coyote]

Abandon Maps 4 and 5 are wild, but definitely not the hardest thing in the world

Lots of greeeeen

[vale gyro]

reminds me

I still haven't yet done the map I wanted to do

[celest coyote]

Which one

[vale gyro]

Eraser

came out like 2 days ago

map is apparently over an hour long first go around assuming you don't die

[viscid jay]

Will it be vanilla or Gzdoom…?

[vale gyro]

mind you the map starts you off with 2% health and 1 bullet

[vale gyro]

any source port that's Boom compatible and has a software renderer

wait, you referring to the map or the stupid RTX thing?

[viscid jay]

Your map

[vale gyro]

it's not my map lol

[viscid jay]

Oh

[vale gyro]

I can't map for shite

don't have the creative ability to do so

[viscid jay]

Well I was gonna say if you did I would play it

[celest coyote]

I sorta can, trying to finish RC2 for my mapset someday soon…got one more level to do first

But this is my first bout of mapping

[vale gyro]

I wish I did but I know I never will so eh

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[viscid jay]

I still like the Classic Redux mods…
I like they added more stuff in the original levels

It’s probably my favorite mod maybe

[celest coyote]

Have you tried mapping before?

[red harbor]

man i used to be so ornery about experiencing games

gzdoom somehow changed that

[viscid jay]

still mad i cant experience MYHOUSE.WAD

It’s a beautiful mod…

I may not have read house of leaves or stuff like that but seeing an experience like that wants ME to experience it.

[red harbor]

gzdoom is right there? nobody cares if you only use it for myhouse, thats actually how i used to do it

[viscid jay]

I have a ps5 I’m screwed

[vale gyro]

several times, actually

[wanton cave]

Whats the big deal about myhouse

[vale gyro]

failed every single time with no improvement

the maps both don't play well or look good

[viscid jay]

It’s probably one of the best experiences of a mod ever

[vale gyro]

don't got the same view as other people when it comes to playing games plus the fact I don't have any creative ability

[red harbor]

oh

rip 🫡

[vale gyro]

so mapping, game development, art, and music making are all out of the question for me

[vale gyro]

RIP

[red harbor]

its one of the best psychological horror (or is it just pure art? idk) experiences.. and it's in FUCKING DOOM

[viscid jay]

At least I can experience conversion mods (THOSE GIVE ME LIFE.)

I actually have been playing those doomer board mods

Those are pretty neat too

[shy wolf]

Anyone want to play

[viscid jay]

Can’t don’t have ps plus (I’ll try to get it soon)

[azure nimbus]

yeah the lighting choices in classic doom are deliberate. They don't emulate real lighting intentionally. It gives the mapper agency in how the lighting works and feels rather than the visuals being a function of the physics of how light works

[viscid jay]

You see I don’t get that when it comes to game modders…they always go insane on LIGHTING….its insane!

I wanna see a LOTR Conversion mod for doom, I would lose it

Also does anyone find it funny that Chex made a doom mod?

And SOLD IT IN CEREAL BOXES?

[vale gyro]

it wasn't a mod really

as it's an IWAD with a custom EXE

[viscid jay]

Ik ik but it was made with dooms engine

[vale gyro]

fair

[vale gyro]

this is why you need a dehacked patch to play Chex Quest in source ports btw

[viscid jay]

Yes I saw it in the mods when I look at the mod page

All 3

[vale gyro]

Chex Quest 3 doesn't even work in that engine as it requires UDMF

maybe someone made a vanilla version of it idk

[viscid jay]

I haven’t tested it we’ll see

[spark knot]

Hey I dunno if anybody has said this yet, but for those of you who wanna make wads using the new enemies and still have the BFG, the wad you're gonna wanna use will be called "id1-res.wad" in the "rerelease" folder of Doom 1 + 2!

[sick yacht]

If I buy doom 3 bfg edition for xbox 360, will it have doom 2 on the disc ?

Or will it be a code ?

I have the unity versions and doom 1 + 2 on series s but I wanted to play the 360 version too to get the achievements

[spark knot]

It should be all on the disc

[sick yacht]

I only bought doom 1 for 360 back in the day. Didnt buy doom 2 and its now delisted

It should be like steam, where you buy one version and get the others

steam has the original ms dos game, unity and 1 + 2

[little oar]

Iirc the doom BFG edition versions of the classic games are different than the xbox live store versions. BFG doesn't include the No Rest For The Living expansion for doom 2, for example

You'll get a version of doom 2, but it won't be the xbox live arcade version

[median trellis]

doom 1 on xbox 360 was my introduction to doom

I thought it was a newer game with an old school pixelated design

[little oar]

Actually wait, this might be wrong.
Give me a sec and I can check it, I have bfg edition still

[little oar]

For this question though, doom 1 and 2 are on the same disc that doom 3 is. You select between doom 1, 2, and 3 as soon as you boot the game up.
Still a different version than the live arcade port (which is no longer available for purchase, so good luck finding a way to play it)

[red harbor]

i mean there are other options that i WOULDN'T recommend (this isnt a for legal reasons thing i just wouldnt recommend pirating newer games at all (or any, but especially newer ones))

[little oar]

Ok yeah, if you want to be illegal about it then you do have options...maybe
Master095 wants it for the achievements, will achievements even work with pirated 360 games?

[red harbor]

idk, you think i would know?

[little oar]

Yes :)

[red harbor]

i was just making his options (despite how dubious they are) known

[sick yacht]

Literally me. I first played doom on 2015

360 doom 1

Also thought it was a new game. I was a kid back then

[median trellis]

I thought playing on ultra violence made the game more gory

lol

[sick yacht]

They work, but If I put my account on a modded console, MS will ban me

[red harbor]

they're killing support, so idk if ms would care anymore

dont quote me tho

[sick yacht]

They still ban you for that

[red harbor]

wow

[sick yacht]

To this day

[little oar]

Microsoft killed the 360 store earlier this month, so you may be able to slide away with it

[sick yacht]

Its like automatic

[little oar]

Buuuut I wouldn't risk it

[red harbor]

just disconnect from the internet if you go down that route then ig

[sick yacht]

I have a modded 360 but with a local profile

[little oar]

I mean...there are more monsters on UV, so you aren't entirely incorrect

[sick yacht]

My main one is on the series s

[sick yacht]

Then my achievements wont upload to the internet

To my profile

[red harbor]

then sounds like you're sol

[sick yacht]

What is sol

[sick yacht]

Could you please see if it has achievements ? Press the guide button

If it runs inside doom 3, it probably doesnt. But if its a separate game...

[little oar]

The achievements for doom 1/2 are in the same group of achievements as doom 3s

[sick yacht]

So they are all one game...

Ok, so I can get bfg edition but doom 2 xbla is forever lost to me, legally

[little oar]

Yes...kind of
Doom 1/2 also got stand alone releases on the 360 store as well, with their own bonuses (like proper online play)

[little oar]

Pretty much, yeah

[sick yacht]

I know. Thats the versions I want. I bought doom 1 but not 2 back in the day

[little oar]

Ah. Unfortunately, those versions were taken down awhile ago so you're out of luck there

[sick yacht]

Yes

My only hope was a disc

[little oar]

I don't think the XBLA versions ever got proper disc releases, sorry

[sick yacht]

Yes, my hope was the bfg edition but it doesnt have

I already acepted

[red harbor]

shit outta luck

[sick yacht]

I should have bought it when I had time to do so

[fathom atlas]

Does the “doom” in doomslayer refer to him or the demons he’s killing

[little oar]

It refers to the game he's in
It's just an old nickname that happened to stick around

If you want a """lore-accurate""" reason, in eternal some scientist reporter girl describes him as doom as in, the end times doom. Bad time, doom.
Doubt that's really what it means though. Probably just some overly cheese meta reference

[glass forum]

I wholeheartedly believe that the last 2 maps of Legacy of Rust are harder than GO 2 IT

This expansion had me sweating

[median cloud]

Has anyone played thta Doom RTX mod

[granite maple]

keks engine

[eternal kernel]

probably just didn't want to stray too far away from "Doomguy"

[iron quail]

they probably would considering its the same account system from the 360 to series saxophone

[iron quail]

Nah what if the game name refers to him

[tepid sky]

Hey guys!

[little oar]

Misread.
The game name came first so...

[lapis wolf]

Has it ever been said why the pistol in the Valiant WAD is literally just the pistol from Marathon?

Anyway Valiant is quite interesting thus far

[fathom atlas]

hi so in the inmost dens, after you get the red key you can supposedly open any red gate right?

also what did people back in the 90s when they got stuck did they ask their older siblings or something

[median cloud]

they gave up

[median cloud]

There's only red gate that needs to be opened through a switch right next to it

[little oar]

Go back to the first area and you'll see a bridge, there'll be a long standing wall with a blue skull on it. Interact with it twice to activate the red gates

[fathom atlas]

Twice?? What was petersen thinking

Also this level is kind of really weird to get around in

[little oar]

May just be once actually. Those weird wall switches are funky
You'll see it, it has the red skulls in front of the door you open first

Look right next to the red gate in the starting areas. It'll open the ones elsewhere in the map as well

[little oar]

Welcome to doom 2 lol

"Sandy what are you doing" describes half the level design

[fathom atlas]

So you can’t just open up any red gate in front of you

[fathom atlas]

I can’t wait for the chasm!

[azure nimbus]

inmost dens map14 is an American McGee map

[little oar]

No. Some gates you can open directly by interacting with them, some you have to find a switch that does it
It's not very consistent

[fathom atlas]

My mistake

[little oar]

The chasm is honestly kinda fun, you may be surprised with it

[azure nimbus]

American McGee has the shorter hitscan heavy speedmap levels: map14, 22, e4m1

[fathom atlas]

Although with how many chaingunners there are and the level aesthetic I thought inmost dens was kind of like a prototype plutonia

[red harbor]

So anyways I made my Doom super bloody

[fathom atlas]

Are the upcoming maps going to be a bit shorter in length

The pit and refuelling base were all so loong

[median cloud]

I cant remember what part you guys are talking about iirc theres a red switch like right next to the red gate

[median cloud]

those are the longest maps in Doom 2

aside from the citadel but thats more confusing imo

[azure nimbus]

the reason this happens is because vanilla doom doesn't have keyed buttons. So if a mapper wants a keyed button to open a door, they have to put the button that opens the colored door behind a smaller colored door

[azure nimbus]

map15 is quite long. map16 is small but lots of enemies. You won't get a short map for a while

So say I'm mapping in vanilla and want you to hit a "red switch" to open the red door. I have to put the red switch behind a door that actually responds to a red key. Switches can't be locked by keys on their own in vanilla

[little oar]

Welcome to doom 2s midgame, the weakest part of it

[median cloud]

Refueling base and the pit are nr 1 and nr 2 in most monsters in Doom 2 iirc

Not entirely sure if that correlates with the length but I do agree that the pit always felt like a drag

[little oar]

(Except industrial zone which is actually kind of fun at the end)

[median cloud]

however still better than The Citadel

[median cloud]

Not sure I agree, the run of 16,17,18 is great imo

[wanton cave]

Im now starting to hate the pit after playing it again yesterday
God why

[fathom atlas]

So I have to just hump the door until I get it

[wanton cave]

Its tedious

[little oar]

Suburbs always came off as weird, it felt more like a test map you'd see in games where it's a flat area made specifically to test specific functions

[fathom atlas]

Petersen says it’s his sons least favourite level lmao

[wanton cave]

lol

[median cloud]

Suburbs is like the first instance of slaughter in official doom I love it

[azure nimbus]

map14 doesnt have any wallhump hidden stuff

[median cloud]

Map 14 has awkward secrets since the soulsphere near the arachno doesnt count as a secret

when it really should

[azure nimbus]

and the rocket

secret tagging in the original maps is a total mess

[median cloud]

ya

and like that cache near the water in the starting room

theres a wall u open

[azure nimbus]

isn't that the rocket?

Ya gotta find both of these non-secrets for max though since they have monsters

[median cloud]

No the rocket is somewhere down with an imp that elevates u back to the start of the map

Im talking about the main building which has a wall u can open

Where the blue armor is

A wall with a rocket box and a spectre inside

[azure nimbus]

oh you mean the spectre that I forget about

the truth that people won't accept is that map13 of doom 2 is better than plut map29

[wanton cave]

cap
Nvm
I thought you meant doom 2 map 29 lol for a sec

[fathom atlas]

i keep stepping back to melee whiff the revenant and he keeps rocketing me

what do i do

[median cloud]

nah

Odyssee of Noises is great

Downtown is okay

[fathom atlas]

downtown is another slog

imo

oh i have to lure him a few times before i shoot

because if i immediately shoot hes at chase mode?

[azure nimbus]

usually, revs will not use missiles when up close. After a pain state though (this is for any monster, they will be extremely likely to attack once regardless of range. So you'll have to keep them in the melee animation after a pain state

pain state makes monsters ignore range requirements

but melee has higher priority than missile

[fathom atlas]

so shoot, while reloading immediately get up close again, then shoot?

im starting to get the hang of it

[median cloud]

Damn Gotcha is a level alright

I still discovered a new sector playing that map today

[azure nimbus]

yeah with ssg it'll take 2 or 3 baits

btw if you wake a monster up with damage, they will immediately attack 100 % of the time unless it's pained

[opaque rose]

Opinion question

Best boss fight in classic doom?

By that I mostly mean Tower of Babel, Dis and icon of sin

Personally I think Tower of Babel is the best, cuz you actually get to do stuff

Dodging rockets is always fun for me

[median cloud]

Boss fights in Doom are awful but yeah tower of babel is the best one

[fathom atlas]

is there a bug in gzdoom or does industrial zone just play the first level music

[azure nimbus]

that's just how it is

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_II_music

[tacit egret]

Just popping in here to say I might of predicted? A Legacy of rust weapon {The Calamity Blade}. It was suggestion for doom’s future.

[hexed escarp]

idk i think they all kinda suck

but yeah tower of babel sucks the least

not to say that you cant have a good boss fight in classic doom though

the boss levels in Eviternity, Eviternity 2, and Valiant are all really good with Eviternity 2 being particularly excellent

[hexed escarp]

no thats normal, doom and doom 2 reuse a lot of their music for multiple levels

[jade solstice]

@hardy hamlet I imagine no changes since the last update - save / mod issue still persisting yeah?

Typed @ wrong - gg me

[hardy hamlet]

Yeah

[jade solstice]

Sadge

[plush tundra]

Doesn’t look right

[lapis wolf]

Haven't finished it. I should get back to it probably

[smoky gorge]

i think vanilla doom's music has an identity crisis
like i want someone to try and pin a specific theme to them

[amber herald]

Metal, atmospheric and elevator music

[median trellis]

Stardate 20x6 is lit

[lapis wolf]

Isn't everything Stardate lit?

[restive valve]

Uh so I guess I’ll address the elephant in the room

Nobody uh

Nobody told me about ID

[vast reef]

waow

[red harbor]

Are there any enemy animation mods for GZDoom that keep the vanilla timings? The gore modpack I'm using has Smooth Doom but only with the gore features and death animations (player animations were replaced with PerK's)

[granite niche]

I accidentally got the overkill achievement in DOOM + DOOM II lol

[hexed escarp]

I just moved into my college and I hope I find even just one other person there who plays classic doom

[winter blade]

Anyone tryna do a Going Down playthrough on DOOM + DOOM II tomorrow?

[stone jungle]

I think no one

But i played DOOM + DOOM II

[jovial wing]

has anyone else kept the mighty doom app because they refuse to let it go

[sick yacht]

I think it's odd to not include Sigil 2 on the main download of Doom + Doom 2, since every game and expansion is already included, even Sigil 1. I know it is a featured mod, easily downloadable, but it doesn't give achievements

Theres an achievement for completing Doom, for Sigil, for Master Levels, for Doom 2, etc, but not for Sigil 2 since it is not on the main game screen

[little oar]

It is really weird that it was left out. Maybe they just didn't want to clutter the menu too much or include too many "unofficial" fanwads alongside officially licensed wads

[sick yacht]

Only unofficial ones were Sigil 1 and 2. But theyre almost official, since it is from the original creator

[little oar]

Mhm. Maybe they wanted to keep it as official as possible, and sigil 1 got through because it's a very special case

[sick yacht]

Plutonia and TNT are Final Doom, an official licensed game

[little oar]

Because if they added sigil 2, then they'd have to continue and add sigil 3 (or whatever Romero's next wad is), so on so forth

[sick yacht]

Id nowadays doesnt use the term Final Doom any more, I think they just count it as Doom 2 expansions

[little oar]

Also possible that they just...didn't have time to tweak it. Sigil 2 was one of the last wads added to the unity ports iirc, so they may have already started working on the kex engine ports by that point, so they were only working with getting sigil 1 working perfectly

[sick yacht]

Is there going to be another ?

[sick yacht]

It is working perfectly, but on featured mods

[little oar]

I don't think he's confirmed it yet, but his store page mentions:

All proceeds from sales of SIGIL II and SIGIL II merch support future WAD development. Thank you for playing my games.

So he hasn't outright confirmed anything but he is implying that he'd like to keep developing wads and associated merch for them

[sick yacht]

Are sigil 1 and 2 canon now ?

Did ID canonize it

[little oar]

Eh, about as canon as the other addons like nrftl or final doom. They can be canon if you want, or they can't be. Nothing is really effected by either choice

[sick yacht]

Never played them

Only doom I played was ultimate doom, doom 2 and master levels for doom 2

[little oar]

Ah. If you want some more, the Plutonia Experiment half of final doom is pretty fun. A lot harder than those three, but pretty fun nonetheless

[sick yacht]

Im working on the other ones

[little oar]

TNT: Evilution is...fine. It's about the same quality as master levels. Not great, not horrible. Just kind of harmless

[sick yacht]

To me the bad thing about master levels is the exit is very well hidden

Too much secret passageways as I remember

[little oar]

Yeah master levels have some confusing layouts in them

[sick yacht]

Doom 1 and 2 I can complete without looking youtube. But master levels I had to check youtube on multiple levels

[little oar]

It has some really neat ideas with stuff like black tower or express elevator to hell, but a lot of them are very hit or miss

[sick yacht]

Which Final Doom episode to play first ?

[sick yacht]

Express elevator was the last one, wasn't it ?

[little oar]

If you want to play all of them, may as well do TNT first since it appears first in the menu

[little oar]

3rd to last level iirc

[sick yacht]

Im definitely playing all of them, even 64, 3 and the recent ones

[little oar]

Then yeah, may as well do tnt first since it's before plutonia in the menu

When I got the recent remaster I'm just working my way from top to bottom, seems to be a nice order so far

[sick yacht]

Is classic doom on same universe as 2016 and eternal ? Any confirmation on that ?

[little oar]

Yep. That was implied in 2016 but eternal outright confirms it

[wanton cave]

Yes eternal confirms its the same doom marine/guy

[little oar]

The only game not really part of it is 3. 3 is a separate timeline, however. It's technically canon but it has no noteworthy effect on the main canon that it doesn't really matter

[sick yacht]

What about 64

[little oar]

Also canon. Takes place after 2 and before the dark ages

[sick yacht]

So before the middle ages

[little oar]

1 -> 2 -> 64 -> Dark Ages -> 2016 -> Eternal

[wanton cave]

TDA is going to show us some stuff of what happened between 64 and 2016

[sick yacht]

But isnt doom 1 futuristic ? I dont get it

And dark ages middle ages

[little oar]

They all have scifi inspirations, yeah

Well it's hard to tell with dark ages because we know very little about it. Afaik it isn't taking place on earth, and is on another world/dimension/whatever

[lapis wolf]

It's not actually Medieval times.

It's its own thing

[sick yacht]

Oh I thought it was actually the middle ages

[lapis wolf]

Just Medieval inspired

[little oar]

^

[wanton cave]

Scfi with fantasy stuff

[sick yacht]

So is Doom Guy and Doom Slayer the same person ? Doom Guy looks like a regular soldier, maybe with some augmentations, like Master Chief. But Doom Slayer looks like an ancient warrior of some kind

Dont spoil too much

[little oar]

Same person yep

To keep the spoilers light, at some point he just gets an upgrade, and that's where his 2016 armor comes in

[sick yacht]

So after he killed the demons on classic doom he became a mystical warrior and was sleeping on 2016

And got awoke

[little oar]

Wasn't so much "sleeping" as much as he was trapped in that coffin. Can't say much more without bringing in spoilers

[sick yacht]

So only doom 3 is its own thing

[little oar]

Mhm

It's technically canon but it's so unimportant that it may as well not be

[sick yacht]

Canon on the same universe ?

[little oar]

So to keep things simple, yeah doom 3 is a separate thing

[sick yacht]

Because of spoilers

[little oar]

Not even going into spoiler territory. Doom 3 just has no effect on the canon, it's only loosely connected because of a single item that appears in eternal (that honestly I think people are reading way too much into what's most likely just a fun "hey remember this" easter egg)

[sick yacht]

Who do we play as on each classic doom and 64 campaign, doom guy on every of them ?

[little oar]

Yep

[sick yacht]

I heard its a different marine on final doom

[little oar]

Doom 1/2/64/2016/eternal is all the same doomguy

[sick yacht]

Is it

[little oar]

I think tnt:evilution is a different character. I'm not too sure on how the plot for those games work though, so don't quote me on this

[sick yacht]

Im more hyped now that theyre all connected. I always thought it was classic doom + 64 universe, doom 3 universe and modern doom universe

Like 2d, 3d and hd from gta, if you know what I mean

[little oar]

Yeah

[sick yacht]

Thats a good analogy I think

[little oar]

Luckily doom's timeline is very simple

[sick yacht]

Its more rip and tear

Than story

[little oar]

Mhm

[sick yacht]

At least on the classic ones Im playing

[little oar]

Story has never been much of a focus until around doom 3 and especially 2016 put a bit more focus into it
Now whether that was successful or good depends on who you ask

[sick yacht]

I watched the doom movie some years ago, the one from 2005

Theres also doom anihilation from 2019

[little oar]

Very...interesting movie. It's a good fun cheesy movie, but a different take on doom for sure with the demons being closer to infected people than actual demons

[sick yacht]

That movie is more like some resident evil thing

A virus

[little oar]

Yeah

[sick yacht]

On my country it was translated as Doom: The Gateways to Hell

But theres no demons !

[little oar]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

That's one weird thing about doom too, for a series that markets itself with hell a lot you aren't actually in hell for very long
For most of the games, hell is something you visit once maybe twice a game

[sick yacht]

They added a subtitle on my native language and kept the doom word on English

On English its just Doom (2005)

[little oar]

Doom 1 is the only game where hell is actually an important part of the game, since you're in it for the last 2/3 of it

[little oar]

DOOM has a really bad habit of just naming all it's stuff DOOM with no subtitle or anything to differentiate each entry

[sick yacht]

The final boss fight is there

[little oar]

DOOM (the 2005 movie)
DOOM (the original 1993 game)
DOOM (the 2016 game)

[sick yacht]

Whats the deal with doom anihilation ?

[little oar]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Just another attempt at a doom movie. I've never watched it, so I can't speak on its quality

[sick yacht]

I saw it appear on prime video's catalogue

Some time ago

[little oar]

It went straight to streaming/dvd services iirc. Never hit theaters

[sick yacht]

I like the twist on the Doom movie where you think The Rock is the Doom Guy but it's actually the other guy

Also the first person scenes

The bfg appearing

Watched it on 2015 or 2016

[little oar]

And that everyone else died. Based on the cover I figured at least a few would die. but everyone died besides rock and doomguy

[sick yacht]

Doom Guy killed the rock if I recall correctly

The Rock was infected

Dont even know his character name, so Im calling him The Rock

[little oar]

He did. One of the few movies where the rock actually loses

[sick yacht]

Lol

[little oar]

Iirc his name was just Sarge

Or that's what he was referred to as

[sick yacht]

The Rock or Doom Guy ?

I remember a Sarge too now that you said

[little oar]

The Rock

I forget what doomguy was called

[sick yacht]

I like those trash movies

[little oar]

Good ol cheesy movies

[fathom atlas]

Is thy flesh consumed worse than Plutonia

Not difficulty but in terms of design

[fathom atlas]

He’s the boys guy from the boys

[little oar]

Nah. Episode 4 is pretty fun and well designed when you learn it

[little oar]

Huh? I don't get it

[fathom atlas]

The main character from the boys

He plays doomguy in the movie

[little oar]

Oh it's the same actor? That's neat

[earnest nimbus]

Keith urban

[median cloud]

Best Doom 1 episode probably

Actually hmmm E1 is better

Does the Kex Engine version of Doom have the lost soul limit?

I struggled unreasonably hard on barrels of fun

Pistol started it cuz I died in a dumb way

[finite crag]

Thought he was Karl Urban...

[wanton gust]

It does

[median cloud]

Really? Felt like I was against a million of lost souls in barrels of fun

[azure nimbus]

I wonder if it has any idea about when to turn that on or off. If anyone can try out sunlust map30 to check it out

[versed lark]

I watched a Retro Ahoy video about the genre of Doom, if FPS or Doomclone were not allowed, using terms from the time. It settled on the idea that Doom is an Action RPG. It did not discuss the Bullet Hell elements that are also important to the strategy of Doom and Doom II. Elements that are unique to Doom and Doom II. I will now take note that Doom is an Action RPG with Bullet Hell elements.

[azure nimbus]

it's obviously not an RPG

bullet hell FPS movement shooter such a clear call

[vast reef]

wouldnt call doom a movement shooter

[fathom atlas]

people call movement shooters boomshoots dont they?

[vast reef]

you cant even jump

[fathom atlas]

or the other way around

[vast reef]

no, no they don't

[fathom atlas]

john romero did in an interview

[vast reef]

movement shooter is such a nebulous term

[fathom atlas]

that is also true

[vast reef]

some people say quake isn't a movement shooter and like ??

everyone has their own definition of it

people call apex of all things a movement shooter

[versed lark]

It makes more sense with the video

Im gonna send link

https://youtu.be/GuyImR_dI6g?si=HGHJJMbIxS2DZzuR

[azure nimbus]

you can move

[random fern]

therefor movment shooter

[azure nimbus]

There's also the issue of "should custom maps even be in the same genre as the original?" Is sunlust really the same genre as e1m2?

[random fern]

what genre is nuts

[versed lark]

Movement shooters are about timing.

Doom is not about timing

[random fern]

i know i know i was making a joke

[versed lark]

Oh, sorry. My bad.

[random fern]

nah its okay

[versed lark]

Thx

[sick yacht]

I only remember Mac being the Asian

Because someone said "you dont look like a Mac"

Lol

[versed lark]

Also Doom is an Action RPG if you consider how the term was used in the 90s, stuff like System Shock and Ultima: Underworld.

[ionic ivy]

Guys I know why the dogs don’t appear in the secret level of Doom II (Map 31)

It’s because the pinkies ate them

[versed lark]

Speaking of the dogs, they're most likely messenger dogs. id probably did not realize this.

[azure nimbus]

if you miss the dog sprite, it's used in mbf21 for the helper dog

[sick yacht]

@little oar wasn't Mac played by Jet Li or am I misremembering ?

[versed lark]

My take: Undertale has bullet hell elements but Touhou is a bullet hell. E1M2 has bullet hell elements (like the rest of doom) but Sunlust has more elements.

[vast reef]

what??

movement shooters are about complex movement

see this is why i hate the term

[little oar]

Not sure tbh. I'm very bad with actual names

[hexed escarp]

Iirc I think there was a reason for this

Maybe a timing thing

[spice radish]

I don’t think you can put Doom in the same genre as System Shock and Ultima Underworld those 2 have a lot of different mechanics that Doom doesn’t have

[azure nimbus]

doom is a platformer

[red harbor]

True, I love abusing jumping in GZDoom

[split smelt]

Jumping is no
Rocket jumping is yes

[keen tusk]

is the recent release of doom + doom II running on dosbox?

nevermind it is

[little oar]

Nope. It runs on the kex engine now (Doom 64 and Blood also uses this engine)
The steam version of DOOM hasn't used dosbox since it got the unity treatment back in 2019

[random fern]

theres a option to run it in dosbox

[keen tusk]

oh, i saw dosbox in the files and assumed it was using that

[random fern]

at least i heard there was

[deep galleon]

Yall remember doom for the 3ds

[little oar]

The steam version used to use it, and it'll still give you the option for it in case you want it. But the updated port(s) doesn't use it normally

[random fern]

the huh

[azure nimbus]

that's not KEX. that's just you having doom2.wad and doom2.exe and running it in dosbox

[split smelt]

Guys do i continue abandon or continue sunder?

[little oar]

Flip a coin, heads is abandon tails is sunder

[split smelt]

Ok

Sunder!

Im already at map 31 on the save and abandon im at map 06 both at the start

[proud falcon]

Dosbox DOOM was how i played it for the first time

Honestly wouldn't recommend it with Choco and Crispy existing

[twin mortar]

I can recommend it to purists, it's very much playable with novert

[split smelt]

Sometimes i change my Dsda settings to 320x200 35 fps no auto run and keyboard only for fun

I tried playing h*ck revealed like that spoiler didnt go well

[azure nimbus]

auto run was available from the start as was mouse-use.
To be fair..you would have to change values inside the config file itself to activate autorun but it's doable

[azure nimbus]

you'd set joyb_speed to 29. Basically, this would make the game think you are always pressing the button since 29 maps to some thing with a static value. It's not a setting they intended on making

[celest coyote]

I’d suggest finishing Sunder first. I’m at the start of Abandon Map 08. Eager to get through the rest of it, although parts feel like a direct homage of Sunder where stuff looks and plays too samey in certain encounters

And Map 31 of Sunder is a lot prettier to play through

[proud falcon]

Ive never played Sunder

[celest coyote]

somewhat overrated combat wise, visuals are outstanding tho

[proud falcon]

It needs a BOOM source port right

[celest coyote]

Some levels do go on for way way too long tho (map 16 taking over 6 hours first playthrough)

Yea it’s boom

[proud falcon]

Ah oki ill play with sth other than Crispy then

[celest coyote]

There’s also no difficulty scaling in Sunder so UV vs ITYTD is the same

In terms of monster/item placement

So I said f it and did Sunder on UV, definitely doable if I can surmount it

Just tedious…very tedious and some levels are just too long lol

[proud falcon]

I currently doing Legacy of Rust so i either will switch to Sunder for a shake up or just finish LoR firsf

[celest coyote]

I’d finish Legacy of Rust first, how far are you on that?

I’m on the first few levels myself lol. Abandon is a bit more fun atm for me

[proud falcon]

Not that far actually just started it im on MAP04 its very tough on UV

Especially cause i dont save midway

I originally went with pistol start but its just borderline sadistic lol

[celest coyote]

I pistol start everything these days

But yea that LoR level with the green slim tech base as the third or fourth map was…very questionable for how bored I got in that map

Made me stop after I beat that one

Need to push through the rest someday

[azure nimbus]

one small advantage of pistol start is not caring about maintaining saves either for organization or swapping ports

[celest coyote]

Also makes me appreciate each level individually more

[proud falcon]

Sanguine Wastes?

Oh that was the second map

[celest coyote]

Spirit Drains

I think that’s the name?

[proud falcon]

Yes thats the third map

[celest coyote]

that green slime tech texture got ugly real fast

[proud falcon]

At least iirc you get the SSG

Dont think you can find it on the second and first maps

At least i didn't

[proud falcon]

I usually never save except LoR tbh

[celest coyote]

Did you find the secret exit to Ash Mill?

[proud falcon]

Nope

[celest coyote]

It’s in the second map, and a little out of the way, cuz u gotta backtrack somewhat

I think it’s what you need the red key for

[proud falcon]

Ah i probably will go back and try to find it

[celest coyote]

That map has a lot of secrets

I only didn’t find one

[proud falcon]

im going to try to find ash mill first without using a guide

[celest coyote]

Hell yea

[proud falcon]

Ouch got punched in the face by a revenant and died LOL

[median cloud]

Does anyone else find the ost way too quiet when selecting original?

remix is fine but original is like super deaf

[vale gyro]

IDDQD + IDBEHOLDS to get back at the rev

[amber herald]

Yeah, its a problem with the kex port

[split smelt]

Yup

[median cloud]

gotta be fixed

[digital haven]

Hey Doomguys and Doomgals. Does anyone know how to run Legacy of Rust in Crispy? Just crashes on me.

[split smelt]

I wonder is there some chillax maps that are actually possible?

[split smelt]

You need Boom buddy

[median cloud]

Not possible afaik

[digital haven]

Aww

Well thanks

[median cloud]

03 iirc

[vale gyro]

Actually you need MBF21

[median cloud]

Id24

[vale gyro]

Yeah, true

[split smelt]

Damn i got out nerded

[vale gyro]

But to just be able to play it you only need MBF21

[red harbor]

guys is this a good modlist (in order of when they came into my head while typing this)? are there any good QOL or graphic mods im missing?

SmoothDoom
Bolognese (Gore Mod if you're unaware)
NashGoreNEXT
Revenant100's Sprite Fixing Project
NightFright's Brightmaps Plus
IDKFA (Soundtrack Replacement)
TargetSpy
Perkristian's SFX Mod

[vale gyro]

ID24 apparently is only used for visual stuff

[median cloud]

u sure?

[vale gyro]

Which means you need ports like Woof/Nugget Doom, GZDoom, or DSDA-Doom

[vale gyro]

At least to the Doom Wiki last time I checked

[split smelt]

DSDA For life

[vale gyro]

And I’ve been playing LoR completely in Nugget Doom with zero issue

[vale gyro]

Woof or Nugget Doom will feel the most like Crispy Doom, by the way

[digital haven]

Thanks!

[azure nimbus]

the most obvious difference between full vanilla and higher comp levels that a player will notice is having the options to disable out of ammo forced weapon switch

[digital haven]

There's a je ne se quoi I get out of Crispy that I'm too NewDoomer to classify

[azure nimbus]

This is pretty helpful for the bfg

[digital haven]

So I'll take the recommendation of Woof or Nugget and look em up

[azure nimbus]

any vanilla accurate port will give the exact same physics and controls

[digital haven]

Oh what's it called?

[azure nimbus]

including, woof, nugget, or DSDA. Just make sure to set the comp level properly

Nugget is good if you like colored blood and mirrored corpses. DSDA honestly I kinda think of as the standard nowadays

[vale gyro]

Nugget Doom will have more visual features than Woof does but it doesn’t add many QoL features

I’d say if you like Woof, check out Nugget and see if any features there you like

I personally use it for the extra gibbing stuff it has

[digital haven]

This is a great starting point yall

[vale gyro]

If you liked Crispy’s rendering style or its colored blood, Woof and Nugget has it so don’t worry about that

Same with Crispy’s randomly mirrored corpses

Note you can have colored blood in DSDA and GZ but it’s not built in like Woof and Nugget

[digital haven]

I think I enjoyed Crispy's jank verticle aiming and alternate autoaim modes

[vale gyro]

Every port I mentioned can do the jank vertical aiming with the right settings

Just have the rendering mode set to software (with the exception of Woof and Nugget as it uses a software renderer anyways)

[azure nimbus]

DSDA's last update (0.28) has full freelook without y sheering(if you prefer)

[vale gyro]

Yeah, just turn on the hardware renderer in DSDA-Doom

[azure nimbus]

DSDA's hardware is genuinely indistinguishable from software

but runs faster and doesn't have the glitchy specters

and isn't victim to y sheering

[vale gyro]

I notice very slight differences with it

Like the skybox not warping and such

[azure nimbus]

idk why the skybox looks different with freelook on

[zenith swift]

a

[proud falcon]

man moving from normal doom to the raytraced GZDOOM version with smooth doom kills my brain

[vale gyro]

"Finished" Eraser

from what little I played I found it quite cool, trying to find the rest of what it offers

[opaque rose]

god damn playing doom 2 on ultra nightmare

dead simple is kicking my ass

beat it, i had to git gud

[azure nimbus]

is that a modded difficulty setting

[lapis wolf]

Guessing they meant nightmare without saving

[azure nimbus]

If I remember right, doing map07 nightmare was where I really learned to circle strafe mancs counterclockwise

[lapis wolf]

Or perhaps they confused Ultra Violence with Ultra Nightmare as the title

As they're both similar names

[azure nimbus]

basically mancs have a set pattern and their widest shot is to their right. So dodging to their left helps

[opaque rose]

yeah i meant ultra violence

[rich anvil]

How do I enable freelook on gzdoom?

Apparently I already have freelook=true but my mouse won't make me look up or down

Sv_freelook is also set to 1

[cerulean delta]

Another weird detail about The Sky May Be: it has a custom crash message. When you open the “DO NOT ENTER” door on DOS Doom, the untextured floor crashes the game and the custom crash message is “i told you”

Also obligatory “THE GUN IS GOOD”

[woven wasp]

Hello, I finally finished my doom wad, would anyone be willing to check in out?
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/132011-gregs-gargantuan-gadventure-of-glory-gaffes-and-garbage-rc1-every-map-finished/

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/671332930001305610/1280729285891719168/map10screenshot_1.png?ex=66d92398&is=66d7d218&hm=59b7ed5f9cf82af7fe3c3ebf7c411b26875335e68bccd47925b2dbf3a9193961&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/671332930001305610/1280729286361219123/map10screenshot_2.png?ex=66d92398&is=66d7d218&hm=d14cf55c988a26cc3c71180c8bfff69c705ef6ca11530687087720eb680651ae&

[cerulean delta]

[opaque rose]

Oh my word refueling base kicking my ass

[stark plume]

Did I see wrong or is Back to Saturn X using 3d floors?

[stark plume]

Hah one of my favorite maps

[opaque rose]

Are you a masochist? Cuz like god damn

I’m save scumming and still struggling

[stark plume]

Well yes but that's besides the point HAHA

Normal UV, right?

[opaque rose]

Yeah

I got the mega sphere and then the 2 revenants RNG’d half of it away

[stark plume]

Ouch max rolls TT

Yknow, what I've been using to get better at Doom is pistol starting every map

[austere tangle]

I beat Sigil earlier, all I got to beat is Final DOOM now

[stark plume]

It's really fun, I'd recommend it, adds a twist by not being able to use the previous map's arsenal

[stark plume]

Eyyyy congrats!!!

Heads up and not tryna discourage you but TNT will be meh, Plutonia on the other hand will be a blast

[opaque rose]

I ain’t doin it on this map

Like 20 shotgun shells and 300 monsters

[stark plume]

Hah well the only right way to play Doom is to play the way you want

Worst case scenario practicing levels again and again makes for a better performace

[austere tangle]

I've been struggling pretty damn hard with TNT so it's definitely gonna take some balls to get past it

I don't think I've actually beaten it legit before since it's that overly difficult

[stark plume]

Have you tried Plutonia before

[austere tangle]

I did a few years back and I think I've gotten it done

[stark plume]

@opaque rose did you use that one secret that makes the fight trivial?

[austere tangle]

But I gotta skim through TNT first since I'm 10-11 levels in with it

[stark plume]

Hah yeah ^^ I hope you're enjoying yourself

[opaque rose]

Did you see the image I sent?

[austere tangle]

I've totally been enjoying getting harassed by chaingunners and imps every five seconds

[stark plume]

Yeah, that's my reply to it

[opaque rose]

No what is it

[stark plume]

sweats in Plutonia

[opaque rose]

But anyhow I grabbed the invul and ran for the exit

Diddnt even go for the supercharge

[stark plume]

There's an invul you can get in the cyberdemon room

[opaque rose]

I was so close to grabbing it

[stark plume]

Another one

[opaque rose]

Oh?

[stark plume]

It's hidden behind a secret

But it's easily accessed

Unless it's nightmare

Yknow that room with like 10 billion zombiemen and shotgun guys?

[opaque rose]

With all the cubbies?

[stark plume]

Yeah

Some of them can be opened, like 4 or 5

Usually has goodies but one loops around and then teleports you to a secret part of the cyberdemon room

I won't say more :) go figure the rest out

[opaque rose]

Oh these are good goodies

OH GREAT HEAVENS

[stark plume]

Hm?

[opaque rose]

PINKY CLOSET

[stark plume]

Some secrets are amazing

Especially in refueling base

Imo you should try to learn where they are since a lot of the time they make your playthroughs easier

Some become lowkey necessary for stuff like pistol start where you'd get access to weapons you'd get later in the map if ever

[opaque rose]

I did not forget that circle of death introduced the arch-vile

[stark plume]

It was an epic entrance ngl

[stone tiger]

Wallhumping

[median cloud]

Gonna start master levels today

How bad is it

Probably wont pistol start it however

[unreal pike]

anyone know this? https://github.com/flukejones/room4doom

and this https://github.com/amroibrahim/DIYDoom

[azure nimbus]

so his project is what, to rewrite doom's code? I don't really understand

[unreal pike]

in modern language

idk is there even C++ in classic Doom's era

[azure nimbus]

c++ is 8 years doom's senior

but that doesn't mean it had all the features that it does today

[unreal pike]

emmm

C++ was created in 1979, earlier than Doom but 14 years

[azure nimbus]

I'm going by the 1985 release of C++ even if production started earlier. and doom released in 1993. 93 - 85 = 8

[median cloud]

Hope he updates the game logic to 60 tics xd

[azure nimbus]

nooo it has to be misaligned with everyone's monitor

if you have a 420 Hz monitor, then you'll be a multiple of 35 and 60. idk if that's meaningful

[median cloud]

I have a 240hz monitor is that ok

I should check if I can cap my fps to 245 in the kex port

[azure nimbus]

35 doesn't divide 240 unfrotunately

[thick token]

420 hz exists?

im stuck on 60 😭

[median cloud]

Think its 540 now

[thick token]

damn

[stark plume]

It's not THAT bad

Some maps are quite good in terms of design
Difficulty wise I'd say less than Plutonia and more than TNT and Doom 2

[azure nimbus]

remarkably so. They're included in every modern release seemingly just to give people a sour taste of custom content despite lots of custom stuff being great

[random fern]

Why are doom 64 and classic doom separate? Doom 64 is part of the classic games isn't it?

[random fern]

This is an actual question that I'm a little confused on

[split smelt]

Technically doom 3 is not classic doom anymore id say doom 64 is in the classic era

So doom 64 is part of classic doom

[twin mortar]

Consistency

[random fern]

Wouldn't it be more consistent to have it in the same channel?

[twin mortar]

While it's part of Classic, it only is time-wise.

Look at DOOM and DOOM II, look at Final DOOM, and the Master Levels. Then look at D64.

Not only does it look different, it plays different

DOOM 3 is part of the Classic Bundle but it still has its own channel no? Because it's different

Same for D64

[median cloud]

It helps that they were somewhat marketed as official

iirc even had a custom box art

Atleast custom maps skyrocketed in quality with NRFTL and now with Legacy Of Rust

[twin mortar]

The bundle is official but the maps aren't

[twin mortar]

Not really no, the box art reused a texture from the games

[median cloud]

or atleast a box art 😄

[twin mortar]

The box art is still used on Steam even though it's deceptive marketing now...

[azure nimbus]

this is kinda what I mean. "Custom maps skyrocketed in quality with NRFTL and LoR". They're not even fanmade levels. These are made officially by the guys who made the ports associated with them. But even so, the frontloaded maps are what people associate. They don't think of their sunlusts, combat shock 2's, scyth 2's, valiants, going downs, fractured worlds,.... because new players just...havne't heard of anything yet. So they play what's theere. Then they play the MLs and it sucks

[median cloud]

Gotta sucks to be a new player honestly. First TNT and then the master levels is rough

[median cloud]

Are there any "easy" quality mappacks? Only one I can think of is Eviternity and that's still about Plutonia level hard

[azure nimbus]

for sure

[rich anvil]

Is heretic/hexen discussion allowed in here?

[azure nimbus]

it's allowed but there aren't that many players honestly

[rich anvil]

It's a shame. Heretic was a good game

[fathom atlas]

was hexen good

from what i saw the graphics look amazing

[rich anvil]

Hexen is... Hexen

I liked it, but you've gotta really enjoy searching for keys and switches

[fathom atlas]

yeah i heard about the 1/78 of the puzzle meme

[median cloud]

Which ones? haha

I can think of Nostalgia

which was easy and pretty good

[azure nimbus]

like half the stuff on doomworld is super chill

[proud falcon]

You know how some DOOM maps are giga confusing with tons of backtracking

Make it 20x and youll get Hexen

[proud falcon]

NRFTL is great
LoR still hasnt grown on me

[fathom atlas]

legend of doom?

[fathom atlas]

industrial zone is actually pretty good

the beginning is horrible but the later parts have really nice aesthetics

[opaque rose]

Least favorite track in the classic doom games?

For my easily waltz of the demons

[little oar]

Countdown To Death probably.
Not a bad song, it just doesn't really do much and it gets grating fast

[little oar]

Waltz kinds of drags on to so that's fair, but before it does it sounds cool. Kind of panicy/lost-in-a-maze sounding

[opaque rose]

I love countdown to death personally, one of the tracks I know by name from doom 2

[median trellis]

TNT map 8 music

[opaque rose]

As for doom 1, I think the wild card I like is they’re coming to get you (e2m4)

So pseudo angelic and mysterious

[median trellis]

bobby prince is a genius

[proud falcon]

Legacy of Rust

LoR my bad mistyped it

[opaque rose]

Truely the goat

[red harbor]

what are the differences between the Ultimate Doom WAD and the Unity Version's Ultimate Doom WAD?

all i can notice are the green health packs because the Red Cross likes to bitch about it (wouldn't it mean that more people see the red cross as a sign of aid??? it's confusing to me)

[finite crag]

Widescreen graphics and censored Wolfenstein assets IIRC.

[little oar]

Nothing. The wad unity gives you is the original wad, the green cross changes are only applied when unity is running them iirc

[finite crag]

I can confirm this is a part of the WAD rather than the Unity frontend. I run the official, modern WADs in a source port and the crosses are green.

[twin mortar]

NIN censorship too

[sick mist]

They are protected

[little oar]

Oh it does? Weird, mine still uses the red crosses and those wads came from unity. Unless they give you both wads and I grabbed the other one instead

[red harbor]

Can also confirm, I ran the unity WAD in GZDoom

[finite crag]

You could be running a patch on top of it or it's some feature in a source port.

[twin mortar]

X360 version is great for the fact the only piece of censorship is pills instead of a red cross. Which I think is superior to the green cross

[little oar]

I did have the unity releases patched, yeah. But I meant when I took the roms and put them into a source port (I used chocolate and prboom+, if either of those automatically de-censor them)

[red harbor]

They're meant to help identity the workers so they don't get shot, that's what they mean by protect. I only get their whole "You can't use our sign in video games!" when you're actively harming enemies with the red cross on them, but I find it strange how it's still not allowed even in situations where it would be neutral or even beneficial to them

[sick mist]

welp, thats just how it is

[red harbor]

Indeed

[sick mist]

But yeah, using it in a game, without explicit permission, is a violation of the geneva convention.
Nothing i would like to have as a enemy

[finite crag]

has anyone else made or planned to make original doom mods in doom enhanced?

like, total conversion mods

[red harbor]

oh yeah i forgot putting it on a health pack in a game is a literal war crime lol

that means i can say John Romero is my favorite war criminal

[sick mist]

[fathom atlas]

i mean doesnt the berserk pack also have the red cross on it

it makes you go crazy and gib enemies so maybe they dont like that

oh yeah also tips for punching enemies

most of the time im just hitting nothing even when im right up on them

[azure nimbus]

it has a green cross on KEX and it was a pill on unity

keep in mind the delay between trigger pull and then damage dealt

[red harbor]

true, thats a fair thing to change. but i do think it was too far for the health packs to be changed

[red harbor]

the pill was on xbla, the green cross is on unity/kex

[twin mortar]

Eternal version also uses the pill

[split smelt]

I trying to get habituated to the green cross but damn i cant

[leaden reef]

[split smelt]

Why does these 2 emojis even exist?

[red harbor]

If I had to take a wild guess it's either a weed joke or because RGB

[split smelt]

[sick mist]

To detect fake fans

[red harbor]

Well the mod said it himself

Unless an admin or server owner says otherwise, this is the truth

[split smelt]

Im a real doomer

I think…

[celest coyote]

I will beat Abandon…I will beat Abandon…I will beat Abandon…

Map09 couldn’t stop me, but people keep warning me about map10

I gotta platform MID-fight to grab cell ammo over damaging lava..no biggie, right?

[rich anvil]

Agreed I always thought that track sounded oddly out of place for Doom, sounds like Harry Potter music

[azure nimbus]

green keys do show up sometimes at least in some mapsets. Especially in boom wads where the game is capable of distinguishing between keys and skulls(allowing a potential 6 colors)

[median cloud]

Should I pistol start all the master levels or just not waste my time

[little oar]

That's how they were all designed and sold, so why not

[azure nimbus]

they're all fully individual maps and were never designed as a campaign

remember, these are rando maps from various authors with no connection to each other

I believe that the original release of the MLs didn't even allow cont play

[twin mortar]

Except for TEETH and the secret level

[azure nimbus]

yep

[wanton cave]

How would yall rank the classic doom guns?

[vale gyro]

SSG and Chaingun are my top two

[finite crag]

plasma rifle is cool sounding

[vale gyro]

The single barrel is probably my third

[vale gyro]

You like tinnitus? /j

[finite crag]

what

😭

[vale gyro]

Was making a joke on how annoyingly loud the plasma gun is

[finite crag]

oh its not that loud

i love the blue plasma too

[vale gyro]

Yeah, fair

I like it when WADs use the Doom 3 plasma sound, though

[finite crag]

oh the doom 3 plasma rifle

[azure nimbus]

bfg

[finite crag]

it just so good

[proud falcon]

I like SSG better fight me

[median cloud]

these master levels kinda suck

theyre so baaaaad

[restive valve]

In order of favorite to least

1. Bfg
2. Super shotgun
3. Chaingun
4. Plasma rifle
5. Rocket Launcher
6. Fists
7. Shotgun
8. Pistol

(I love them all though)

[wanton cave]

Chainsaw?

[red harbor]

In order of worst to best:

Fists, horrible range and low damage.

Pistol, it's the Fists but with actually decent range.

Chainsaw, it's the Fists but super fast and stunlocks weaker enemies, perfect for killing Pinkies.

Beserked Fists, higher damage than the normal Fists.

Chaingun, basically the Pistol but fires faster.

Plasma Rifle, not a bad weapon at all, haven't used it much so it's stuck in the middle.

BFG9000, high damage but a huge ammo cost.

Rocket Launcher, great for clearing out hordes and for clearing gaps.

Shotgun, the ol' reliable.

Super Shotgun, the Shotgun but even better.

Bit of a band-aid fix, but it works

[red harbor]

Nah man why did you put Ol' Reliable in 7th

[median cloud]

every level has an inescapable death pit

this mappack is the worst

[azure nimbus]

The SSG is cool, but it doesn't fundamentally changes the game in the way that the BFG does

[azure nimbus]

um aktually the fists have very slightly higher average damage '

[hard wolf]

Does anyone else find this new Rust episode to be a bit dark? I'm just wondering if I should increase the brightness, or if it'll ruin the vibe.

[median cloud]

every fucking level has an inescapable death pit

Why

all my deaths in this pack are because of poison pits u cant get out of

[hard wolf]

Yeah I hate those that don't have elevators to get out.

Especially when you're like twenty minutes into a map.

[true current]

Is anyone else having issues with auger zenith map 12 on the kex port?

[hard wolf]

I have issues with every map, it's called sucking at Doom, even after 30 years of play.

[true current]

Oah.

Well i can't help you there.

It seems that map 12 of auger zenith on the kex port doesn't let you press the button on the aracnatron platform in the hell pit after the endless hallway, halting all progression inmediately.

[restive valve]

Real. You just end up using it so much (especially in the second episode) that it gets a lil’ repetitive

[proud falcon]

Which levels

[median cloud]

all of them up until now

[proud falcon]

Honestly both Final DOOM and Master Levels are not my cup of tea

Especially Plutonia

Master Levels iirc are intentionally like that

[limpid nimbus]

Anyone else's controller not working with Doom 1 + 2?

[stone tiger]

What console/pc?

[split smelt]

Oh no bad word

[split smelt]

Skill deficiency?

[median cloud]

Plutonia is great imo

Good difficulty

Master levels are just terrible tho

[limpid nimbus]

Steam, Razer controller

[austere tangle]

I got to Map 27 of TNT, I'm not looking forward to how incredibly difficult these will be, especially Mount Pain

[astral ledge]

Any smart cookie who can help me out how to make brutal doom default for gzdoom? I am unable to run masters levels and brutal doom at the same time

[vale gyro]

You can use a launcher like ZDL to save and load presets so you can have Brutal Doom + whatever mods you want

[astral ledge]

always used gzdoom, I will try that... thanks a bunch! 🍪

[vale gyro]

ZDL by its self won’t do anything, so you’ll still need to use GZDoom to actually play it. All ZDL does is load mods.

[astral ledge]

gzdoom and all wads are ready just unable to run brutal doom and masters at the same time

[vale gyro]

I use my own personal launcher but I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone as ZDL is much more refined

[astral ledge]

but I see zdl has an option to use bd sourceport as default

[red harbor]

eh back to my purist roots i go with chocolate doom

id play on dosbox but it's complicated getting it to work

wait does the kex engine port have classic doom in the files?

[vale gyro]

Yeah, still has the DOS version

[red harbor]

perfect

[vale gyro]

Hell, it even has DOSBOX Staging

The only thing you really need is the setup executable for it

Chocolate Doom’s actually can work

[red harbor]

also am i able to play any classic wad or am i stuck with ultimate (what i assume it is)

[vale gyro]

You’d need the right executable for each IWAD

[median cloud]

Mount pain can be rough if you try to max it but if you dont waste too much time in the outdoor area before the final one you should be fine

[median cloud]

I prefer chocolate doom as well

I couldnt find the always run setting in dosbox doom

[red harbor]

i just have a hard time running dosbox doom lol

[vale gyro]

Yeah, I’d still say Chocolate is the best for vanilla if you can’t reasonably set up DOSBOX

[median cloud]

The new update has dosbox doom as a thing tou can launch

If you dont have that just use chocolate doom

Ive been playing through all classic wads with chocolate for that back to the roots feel

[vale gyro]

Though I’d still prefer Crispy Doom

[austere tangle]

I got the counting wrong, NOW I'm at Mount Pain

[red harbor]

bruh im so mentally conflicted

the purist half of me wants me to use chocolate doom (or preferably dosbox) while the other half likes gzdoom and all it's stuff

[rich anvil]

Idk unless you're trying to learn speedrunning I don't see much reason not to use gzdoom in 2024

[azure nimbus]

more accurate gameplay, more reliable gameplay for things that are made for boom or mbf21 that might not work for GZ, better performance, better default graphics, better projectile graphics

I mean why would you want to play the same game but randomly a few mechanics are adjusted slightly for no reason

[vale gyro]

some people hate how GZDoom looks and plays

one of those people are me

Also, GZDoom may straight up not run on some hardware due to it being quite heavy to run compared to other source ports

[azure nimbus]

Ultimately, there's stuff that is designed for GZ, and there's stuff that's not. When you run things on ports that it isn't expressly planned for, it's just innacurate gameplay which is at most "slightly innaccurate for no reason when there are accurate options available for free at a 10 s download" and at worst "doesn't work"

[rich anvil]

Compatibility flags are a thing

[vale gyro]

still not accurate even then

GZ changes way too much

[azure nimbus]

the physics are fundamentally different

[vale gyro]

it's barely iDTech1 at this point

[azure nimbus]

weapon swap rules are different

one obvious change is collision detection for melee

or hitscan(which includes melee)

There is no GZ setting for true vanilla hitscan behavior

[vale gyro]

which this can fuck up people used to vanilla movement

[azure nimbus]

There is no setting for boom accurate weapon recoil mechanics

Like the whole "just run it in GZ" because it's easier is kinda fake. It's not harder or easier to use an accurate port. Arguably easier? I mean you click run and set the comp level in the settings or params. Just like you would on GZ in the settings

[vale gyro]

well, in some cases it's better to set the complevel via the -complevel arg

as some ports straight up removed the compatibility option in-game

[vale gyro]

at least if I'm remembering correctly

[azure nimbus]

wouldn't it be convenient if there were launchers that had comp level settings with appropriate names so even if you aren't comfortable with what any of it means you could easily set it? ||DSDA launcher||

[vale gyro]

my launcher actually has that

though it only has complevels that are common and not the less used complevels that are only there for demo compatibility

[vale gyro]

like Doom v1.2

[azure nimbus]

ok but have you ever used anything other than 2, 3, 4, 9, 11, 21 to play a map?

[vale gyro]

nah

[azure nimbus]

Even I don't remember what 5 and 6 are.

[vale gyro]

I was thinking about adding those extra complevels in but decided there was no reason for me or others to need it

[azure nimbus]

This is by memory: 5 is TASdoom? 6 is dosdoom?
7,8 are older booms

10 is lxdoom

[vale gyro]

would be a complete waste of my time

especially with how the complevel selection is handled in-code..

I need to rewrite that honestly

[azure nimbus]

danng I was so close. I swapped 5,6. I just checked the wiki. 5 is dosdoom and 6 is tasdoom. (to be clear, dosdoom is not "original on dos. It's the port of linex doom back to dos...for some reason. TAS doom uses the physics of a port designed for TAS which is for really old demos. Modern tas runs just fine on normal complevels)

According to the wiki, 7 isn't exactly "older boom", but rather boom's innacurate vanilla mode. Kinda like if there was a CL for GZ's "vanilla" mode.

I would like to explore the weird comp levels one day for the funzies

[vale gyro]

I would but I don't use DSDA due to issues I have with it

and I'd assume PrBoom+ would have the same issues

it actually doesn't??

dunno what's up with DSDA, then

[dawn valley]

I really like LoR, but the Mindweaver really is a trash enemy.

Shocktroopers and Vassagos I tolerate, even if the former is REALLY annoying on occasion, and Banshees do nothing except look goofy. But Mindweavers can fuck right off.

[vale gyro]

I dunno if I should start Plutonia right now or continue trying to find secrets in Eraser

[fallow canopy]

Try plutonium in nightmare there's a glitch that makes it pretty easy for some reason

[vale gyro]

I have 0 experience with fast monsters

so that'd end horribly

[fallow canopy]

It isn't too bad, trust, I've tried

[red harbor]

guys im gonna try and make a qol modpack for ultimate doom, but that twist is that YOU get to suggest the mods!

the rules are pretty simple, try to tweak the gameplay as little as possible and obviously keep compatibility in mind

you can feel free to request credit for your suggestion or to remain anonymous (i doubt that you guys will want to remain anonymous, but still)

edit: this is a gzdoom modpack lol

[azure nimbus]

remove horiz autoaim

[vale gyro]

agreed

[red harbor]

isnt autoaim only vertical (and togglable in the settings)???

[azure nimbus]

horizontal autoaim is for projectiles specifically

vertical autoaim is only toggleable in ports of course since you need it for shooting enemies above and below you. ya can't look up and down

it's really something how the renderer got us to the BFG: the renderer has vertical freelook being ugly. So they locked the camera forward. So they implemented vert autoaim. the Beta BFG2704 can't render efficiently so it has to be changed. The BFG9000 uses autoaim for each individual tracer and benefits from hitting walls with the proj for faster tracer attacks. Not being able to aim at the floor balances it out

anyway, horiz autoaim is garbo. Maybe it helps keyboard only players? But outside of that, it just makes you blow yourself up on walls and impossible to lead projectiles

Hypothetically, doom could use hud improvements: no need to show whether you have pistol, but showing berserk, chainsaw, ssg, and armor type would be nice. But we're kinda used to what it is

[red harbor]

cant really seem to find a mod for that, if you have one could you send a link to it?

[azure nimbus]

DSDA (and I assume other ports though barely touch em nowadays) turns off autoaim of both varieties when you flip on freelook. I imagine you could isolate just the horizontal autoaim part

I wouldn't be surprised if you could find the horiz autoaim part of the code and just delete it

[austere tangle]

Holy shit I'm lucky to have survived Mount Pain

[vale gyro]

I hated that map so much

that and map30

[austere tangle]

I just beat TNT btw

[red harbor]

im gonna be honest idek how to open gzdoom like that

[austere tangle]

You have to be around the edge of the top step to hit the Icon and it's pretty dumb

[azure nimbus]

neither do I 😎

Given some time, I know we could find it in the source code which is available on github. But that doens't mean we'd figure out how to change it

[red harbor]

for now i guess it'll stay until a mod for it comes out

[versed lark]

https://youtu.be/GuyImR_dI6g?si=HGHJJMbIxS2DZzuR

I can’t explain it as well as this video does, but I will try my best. Name a closer game from the 90s or earlier, which had a genre at the time.

[worn thistle]

Is there a good place for finding a list of megawads?

I'm trying to find the kind of megawad where it isnt just an altered doom map, like eviterinity or auger zenith

[peak trout]

How well does a “peekaboo” play style work for classic DOOM?

I struggled hard on E4M2, and a part of me feels like that was because of that kind of play style.

[spiral aurora]

doomworld.

[little oar]

Depends on what you're facing. If its a room of hitscanners (so think a lot of e4m1) then peekaboo is a great strat. Or enemies like the arachnotron that fire continuously
But if it's against something that likes to rush you like pinkies, peekaboo won't do you much good

That being said, peekaboo is still really useful for picking off the smaller enemies first so you can run in and deal with the bigger ones without worrying about crossfire

[spiral aurora]

good strat, just not all the time obviously. majority of the time i'm peekaboo'ing.

[azure nimbus]

doomworld

people post their mapset with a description and screenshot in the forum. then other people comment

[worn thistle]

Actually Doom world was pretty useful from what I've seen hello I was just wondering if there was more comprehensive lists that's just like a bunch of names that I could search up one by one

Ideally I'm trying to look for something I can use with project brutality

[spiral aurora]

oh, that's a good question. i know it's possible because my buddy did it but just don't think there is a filter for the ordeal.

[worn thistle]

I don't know how to search up maps like that, because sometimes you get megawads that just look like altered doom maps

Like there's map of chaos Overkill, then there's auger zenith. I don't even care if it uses some Doom assets, I just want it to convince me I'm not just playing Doom one or two maps you know what I mean?

[lapis wolf]

Which port you using?

[worn thistle]

Gzdoom

I'm just trying to gather a huge backlog, maybe at some point I'll try Doom RPG but I'm a little bit worried that's going to be overpowered with project brutality

I really need to start cranking up the difficulty on PB. It does have some nasty difficulty spikes here and there but brutal just feels like normal to me

[fathom atlas]

extermination day??

[worn thistle]

Already went through that

[worn thistle]

I still need to finish map of chaos Overkill, I've been rocking project brutality with it. At some point though I want to look into some texture packs because I used a relighting mod in some HD textures and it looked kind of cool but it looked really bad in some places

[proud falcon]

The code is on github

I cloned it to play around with it
GZDOOM's code is significantly convoluted and structured differently than the original source code

Its also in C++ rather than C

I think you could delete it with ZScript which is easier

The doom file naming conventions respected in other ports are thrown out of the window afaik but if you take the time you might be able to understand it as the d_ files and others are scattered around

[vast reef]

as expected

gzdoom is basically a fork of a fork of a fork and has so much shit packed into it for compatibility

[median cloud]

Its always funny hearing people review the doom games on YouTube

Theres usually just something in the review that shows that the people reviewing it are very casual of the game

Wonder if everyone has that with a game they love when they watch a review of it

[peak quail]

What's the best way to play doom classics on ps4

[red harbor]

Kex port

Maybe you could get other ports running if you modded it, but I wouldn't recommend that since it's still supported (not even on life support like the 3DS and Wii U were after the announcement of the eShop closing)

[little oar]

You only have one option now, but the most recent doom 1 + doom 2 port
Unless you want to hunt down an old slayers collection and get the unity ports from it. Don't know why you would though, those are much outdated and inferior

[peak quail]

Please look at this video @red harbor @little oar sorry I corrected it. Wow something is wrong with my youtube but he rants on about sounds etc. OK but look at @13:00 see the levels can this be selected on the ps4 doom 2. That's is plenty of doom 2 levels I haven't even touched since, even the Xbox exclusive levels, final etc. Watch to the end and ps3 seems to be the complete version of the classic two is this the case with ps4. I got doom 1 official. And doom definitive through community means on ps4

https://youtu.be/trLKx9SvWpw?si=qaVOTL2dMYhqGKXB

[red harbor]

rip and tear, until it is done

[cedar yacht]

Hello everyone, I'm on controller, I'm playing the new doom version and I've noticed an advanced setting called "acceleration" (referred to the controller sensitivity). Could anyone please explain to me how it works? Thx!

I tried 50% and also 100% but I can't notice differences

[twin mortar]

Pretty sure it affects how quickly you are able to reach your max turn speed

[little oar]

You can use that for a basis sure, but you should know that the "PS4 DOOM"s shown in the video are the outdated unity ports. Those aren't obtainable easily anymore
The newer port has much more to play around with and toggle/turn off in ways of qol settings

[twin mortar]

Everything PS3 has is included in the PS4 versions.

[twin mortar]

It's not even the current version of them, too

[peak quail]

Yeah its fun the sounds are fine, but I feel uncertain if its all the levels are there through the years ive been hearing many names. And I'm a completist

[little oar]

They both have all the levels yes, though the ps3 version may be missing NRFTL. Not sure on that one

[twin mortar]

The only piece of Classic DOOM content the new port is missing is Maximum DOOM, and that was both shit and long

[twin mortar]

PS3 had NRFTL

[peak quail]

So the newest ports of ps4 is all there. Watch the video about doom 2, okay he shows the master levels and I played them but then he shows the other levels from different consoles like the Xbox even

[twin mortar]

Aaand what about that?

I don't really have time to watch it, if you tell me what you need to know I'll provide

[peak quail]

I need to have the complete collection of doom 1 and 2 for ps4. As I got all the dooms on it. Can you point me in the right direction or d.m me if anything

[twin mortar]

DOOM + DOOM II has everything you want and need

[peak quail]

What's maximum doom, ultimate doom,