classic-doom

[exotic dew]

Should i buy the doom + doom 2 thing on steam, ive always wanted to try classic doom

[little oar]

It's a pretty good way to experience them, so sure

Best official way to play them without setting up a source port, and a lot of QoL features if you're more used to modern games (stuff like adding a crosshair, cleaner graphics, etc)

[exotic dew]

thanks

[finite crag]

Incredible

Especially Doom 2's. I'd already heard the Doom 1 tracks when he released those, but the Doom 2 soundtrack heavily improves the game. The original soundtrack was full of boring elevator music bullshit, and the remix soundtrack makes it actually feel like Doom.

[lunar rune]

Starting Plutonia pistol start with the MIDI pack, on map 06 without deaths

[spice radish]

Andrew Hulshult did a great job

Though I wish the Doom II tracks where released in there own separate album then IDKFA

missed the chance to call it IDDQD

[hexed escarp]

if you want to hear covered versions of the plutonia midi pack, there is this: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDPpmDLSimIA-6oy8F4HD3iCTqR2OzNM3

[little oar]

The music sounds good so far. Definitely noting this down for later listening
Kind of ot but whatever weapon pack he's using I love that the shotgun has a sniper scope on it. That's hilarious

[hexed escarp]

the weapon pack he is using is a gzdoom mod called final doomer+. It adds a bunch of different sets of weapons tailored to specific wads and in these videos he is using the plutonia set

the sniper shotgun is pretty funny and you can even scope in with it lol

[little oar]

Is there a set that keeps the retextures but make the guns act identical to the base game guns?

[hexed escarp]

probably not but would probably be pretty easy to do

the one thing is the plasma gun replacement from the plutonia set from final doomer is a large belt fed hitscan rifle

so it might be weird to have that texture but have it fire plasma

[little oar]

So does it use bullets like the chaingun/pistol, or still plasma
Does the BFG (or its equivalent, I guess) become the only plasma

[hexed escarp]

i dont remember

i havent played that mod in a while

[little oar]

Ah

[hexed escarp]

i think it might use bullets

but the pistol from that mod does not use bullets

it has a 6 shot internal magazine that you have to reload but that can be reloaded infinitely

[little oar]

Oh so like how 2016s pistol worked kind of

[hexed escarp]

you didnt have to reload the 2016 pistol

[little oar]

Your default "it has infinite bullets but you'd never want to have to use it"

Well in the sense of it being a gun that's always there if you need it, but hopefully you'd never have to

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[viscid jay]

Anyone trying Ultimate Doom Classic Redux?

That mod is insane.

[lapis wolf]

There's mods of it on the browser tbf

[lapis wolf]

I prefer the DOOM II Redux one, but that one is also good.

[deep cliff]

Anyone down to play doom 1+2 online?

https://tenor.com/view/doom-guy-doom-nerd-doom-gif-15382398

[vast reef]

evp, only change is buffed chainsaw

[azure nimbus]

I think the chainsaw should be nerfed

[vast reef]

i agree

it trivializes most encounters

[opaque rose]

alright im gonna try out plutonia on hurt me plenty
...
WHY ARE THERE 2 ARCHVILES IN LEVEL 3?!?

[wanton cave]

They knew how much people loved archviles in doom 2

[vale gyro]

it's Plutonia

aka Chaingunner and Archvile hell

[opaque rose]

DONT FORGET THE REVENANTS

[vale gyro]

oh yeah those guys, too

hopefully my copy of Doom 2 comes tomorrow

and hopefully it ain't fucked to hell by UPS

I'll be sad if it was

[opaque rose]

An original copy?

[vale gyro]

yeah, 1994 floppy

[opaque rose]

Hell yeah

[vale gyro]

but yeah, hope it's fine

I don't know if the floppies work but we'll see I suppose

[finite crag]

500 REVENANTS https://tenor.com/view/500-ciggarettes-gif-11805300176740010737

[iron quail]

thy flesh consumed is actual torture

maybe its because my house is burning down but still

[vale gyro]

it's torture either way

[iron quail]

the fact i need to play this to get the beat doom achievement

and theres a cyberdemon ON LEVEL 2??

[vale gyro]

also, I feel bad now because I made someone ragequit

[vale gyro]

you could cheese it and do the overly easy E4M8

[iron quail]

time to play the plutoniAj expeirment

[iron quail]

i dont want to do that

i need to play 33 levels.

[iron quail]

So anyone got some good mods to play

This shit fucking sucks

[vale gyro]

Tangerine Nightmare or Overboard

[iron quail]

TWO MANCUBI ON MAP 1

i feel bad for the people who made the plutonia experiment because they made the plutonia experiment

[vale gyro]

normal for me

Overboard's funny because it has a cybie on map01

[iron quail]

i should reinstall gzdoom

[vale gyro]

I wanna to tell you know because I hate GZDoom

but I won't because I hate GZDoom

[iron quail]

gzdoom always felt kind of wrong to me

[vale gyro]

same

[iron quail]

it felt like someone remade doom for a game jam or something

[vale gyro]

I only use it if I absolutely need to

otherwise Nugget Doom is the perfect sourceport for me

[celest coyote]

Beyond The Hell

It’s a 2005 Czech Megawad

Tell me how your sanity holds up

[vale gyro]

I'm bored. Is there any feature I should try shoving into my launcher to pass the time?

[celest coyote]

Make your launcher run doom while it’s trying to launch doom

[vale gyro]

bruh

[celest coyote]

Lol

[amber herald]

I've been meaning to play doom zero, is it a good choice?
And is it dificult?

[azure nimbus]

around iwad difficulty. it's fairly high quality.

not my favorite but it's solid

[opaque rose]

Gave up on plutonia we playing no rest for the living on UV

[vast hull]

Thoughts on THE BLOB?

[opaque rose]

?

the thing in legacy of rust??

if so, annoying bastards

[vale gyro]

the thing in LoR is called the Banshee

and it's sprite isn't the Blob's

[opaque rose]

Then what’s the blob?

[vale gyro]

a scrapped enemy that was later turned into the Pain Elemental

[opaque rose]

Never heard of it

[celest coyote]

What the blob

[opaque rose]

how do you get heavenly joy? its not working for me

Ok so you need to fire 200 bullets on the dot

[mint oasis]

Hey I need help I'm having this problem when i use my gamepad on gzdoom on delta touch it dosnt show the main hub

[grave solar]

the legacy of rust superweapon does not need to be as powerful as it is

[vast reef]

[iron quail]

it does

[median cloud]

Playing Doom as a campaign is really too easy after pistol starting everything

[mint oasis]

Hey question has anyone ever try to get a sf2 working for doom

Bc I want to a particular sf2

[fathom atlas]

For people who’ve been playing on uv for like 2+years, do you all have special routes and stuff in mind or do you just have it down on memory

[median cloud]

Is the new soundtrack just metal for all the tracks?

[median cloud]

u mean for the classic levels?

[fathom atlas]

Yeah

Doom 2 specifically

This shit hard as hell for me but for so many other people uv is basically just normal mode

[median cloud]

Do u play with mouse and wasd?

[fathom atlas]

I play on trackpad on my laptop

With wasd ofc

[median cloud]

Well a trackpad……..

No wonder

[fathom atlas]

My mouse crusty as hell it can’t process me moving it any farther than 2 centimetres

It doesn’t have that much of a difference right

[median cloud]

Get a new one :p

Trackpads arent made for gaming so yeah it does make an insane difference

I dont think I could play any game competently on a trackpad

Get a mouse and enable always run, doom will become a lot easier

Doom and Doom 2 are fairly easy games so usually when someone struggles in these games it’s because of their setup

[fathom atlas]

doom 2 is supposed to be easy??

refueling base and circle of death have been beating the shit out of me back to back if i didnt have any routing walkthrough i wouldve given up right there

[twin mortar]

It's only easy when you have a lot of experience with it lol, for new players it can be a struggle

[median cloud]

My view might be biased since Ive played Doom for a long time

The first 3 episodes of doom 1 are pretty easy Id say under normal circumstances

Doom 2 has some tougher points but is still relatively easy

Especially when played in a campaign setting

[fathom atlas]

yeah that makes sense

do you just go through it without any routing or do you have the maps already under muscle memory

[median cloud]

I know how to finish most of the maps through memory and recently I played through all the official wads pistol start and maxing, so now I know most of the maps pretty well secrets included

There is probably some routing I take especially as pistol starter but it isn’t really fully thought out

[azure nimbus]

me when I lie.

Highly encourage revisiting the set after you have some more experience. Hearing you freak out over there being two mancs on the first map, you're very likely a super new player which is fine. But plutonia is meant for someone who's beaten the iwads a handful of times. Plutonia isn't the peak of difficulty by any means, but it expects a little more experience

[iron quail]

oh absolutely I was exaggerating my opinion on it. it's not bad I just was not expecting that. totally my fault LOL

[median cloud]

Plutonia is the best official mappack

[fathom atlas]

how long did it take for you guys to get good

[vast reef]

3000

[azure nimbus]

There's always more practice to happen. Where to draw the line at being competent? I just made sure to pace myself when I was really starting out

[fathom atlas]

Yeah I feel kind of stuck because by the time I get to the factory or downtown I just hit a roadblock

[azure nimbus]

seriously consider watching guides or using iddt for finding secrets

These iwad maps are pretty secret dependent and they're often really weird

[fathom atlas]

Mods are nice but with no experience in even the base game and with the beginner map packs already expecting you somehow to be able to handle revenants on the second map I think I just got to get good

[azure nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2DJHSErSdA one of the most helpful resources when I was learning more stuff

Revs have so much to them.

They have the most unique AI and the most complex projectile (yes even more than archviles in my opinion)

[fathom atlas]

Already doing that with bigmacdavis,

[fathom atlas]

Heard someone say that their rockets are based on centrifugal force like what

[azure nimbus]

they're ust saying stuff

the big thing for dodging rockets is standing a few feet from a wall and dodging into the wall before you would've been hit

[fathom atlas]

Oh yeah and am I getting hit with a rocket when I dodge because I stepped back too far

[azure nimbus]

Especially if you can work in a slight forward movement on the dodge.

Revs will also never use their ranged attack(under normal circumstances) from up close.

So what are abnormal circumstances? After a pain state

Revs will be forced to melee, easily dodged by backing up, if you are close. This has higher priority than the pain state missile. Revs get really aggressive after a pain state. (For any monster, a pain state will stun them, then make them super likely to use a missile until they use it).

there's more with corralling them well, but with the numbers you're against right now, focus on the dodging into a wall

[iron quail]

like a year

https://tenor.com/view/drake-yachty-censored-not-drake-tech-support-gif-8658410013845332703

this was me realizing some weapons are simply better

(shotgun peak in doom 1)

[azure nimbus]

Shotgun is the weakest weapon after the pistol

it is an interesting design decision though. There is no illusion that these are balanced to be equally powerful but in different circumstances. The shotgun is just worse than other weapons. However, plasma vs rocket are fairly well balanced. Rockets deal more damage but have self damage and lack the plasma's consistent pain chance and fast projectile speed

[fathom atlas]

Tysm that was so helpful

How do I deal with mancubi too

[twin mortar]

Strafe

[azure nimbus]

prefer moving to their left(your right when facing them)

If you're up close(when looking at them) do left right left. Their projectile spread is set. From your perspective: (straight + slight right), (straight + hard left(this particular shot is the reason why you prioritize moving to the right, strafing counterclockwise if they're on the inside of your circle strafe)), (slight left + slight right)

Mancs are also very tall and fat which gives more opprotunities to get cheesy kills chaingunning their head from cover

They have a high pain chance, so stun locking a single or sometimes two mancs is realistic given a chaingun or plasma

[median cloud]

I mean all these extra strategies dont matter if you play on a trackpad

Seriously @fathom atlas enable always run and get a mouse

Then afterwards worry about improving your gameplay

[twin mortar]

Eh, I play without always run, call me a heretic but I prefer it this way

[fathom atlas]

Just found my old mouse and it works better than I remember, thanks

[median cloud]

Cool then just keep practicing and dont get discouraged if it takes some tries to win

[azure nimbus]

I mean that's not true necessarily -- lots of people do play keyboard only. But...yeah trackpad only is gonna be harder by a lot

[median cloud]

It’s a harder method tho

Are there any pros using kb only?

[median cloud]

Never had a moment in Doom where I needed to walk instead of run

[twin mortar]

I only have always run on in Quake III games

[azure nimbus]

if you mean people who do speedruns by pros, I mean technically. I know people who submit runs on keyboard only. He's a good player. It is harder though

It's not like these extra strategies require crazy precise turning. It's just dodging to the right or dodging into a wall. With that said, do get a mouse or even an xb1 controller

[twin mortar]

Classic DOOM with a controller feels really damn good

[median cloud]

Thats true a lot of routing doesnt need precise movements but I guess going in blind will be easier with a mouse

I played doom bfg edition on my ps3 which was fine but also not as good as a mouse

[earnest nimbus]

Is there a way to sign out or change the Bethesda account on doom-Doom 2 gog version??

[trail geode]

Just finished playing DOOM II. Freelook really made the Icon easier to defeat.

[fathom atlas]

ok what doom 2 is so much smoother with a mouse

i know what circle strafing is like finally

[median cloud]

It nullifies the icon fight haha its basically cheating

[median cloud]

Haha ofcourse man Doom doesnt need much but atleast a mouse is needed

[fierce harness]

The icon is honestly just a cakewalk even without it, once you get the timing right it’s insanely easy

[little oar]

+Plus they load you up with max cells for the bfg too iirc

[astral goblet]

I beat it again the other day and it was a little more interesting cause an archvile actually spawned

[lunar rune]

Maybe you should try doing it pacifist

[fathom atlas]

still going to need a new mouse though my battery health is being destroyed by my current one

[median cloud]

Your laptop battery you mean?

Are you running the steam version of Doom?

[echo rivet]

I beated it now and at the end a dozen of archvilles spawned immortalizing all the enemies

[astral goblet]

archviles have a 0.78% chance to spawn

so I highly doubt that

[fathom atlas]

yeah, and also no im just running it on gzdoom, it doesnt have that normally when i play on trackpad or keyboard only

[median cloud]

I had one grrr

[vale gyro]

My copy of Doom 2 arrived!

The first diskette actually reads. Not sure about the others as I don’t have enough space on my DOS machine to actually install it atm. Might try to install it from DOSBOX from XP.

[opaque rose]

I’d like to think I’m improving, I best no rest for the living map 3 without save scumming, something I normally do a lot

[vale gyro]

you probably are improving to be honest

good job!

[opaque rose]

I’m on the fence about this map pack not giving you a backpack until the end, it keeps you on your toes

On the other hand OH GOD IM ALWAYS RUNNING OUT OF SHELLS

God I really fumbled a firefight

I ran out of ammo before I could take out a pain elemental

I did a dangerous dance back and forth with the few rockets I had left

[fathom atlas]

hey are doors supposed to open by themselves in chocolate doom

im playing refueling base and i realized that enemies are just walking in for no reason

[vale gyro]

enemies can open doors

not all doors, but a good majority of them

[fathom atlas]

what the hell

so how tf am i supposed to get through the main area with all the opening doors and deal with the pain elementals and shit without a bunch of zombies and revenants fucking me up

[vale gyro]

conserve health I suppose

also, just play with the mouse if you aren't already

unless you actually wanna play keyboard only

[wanton cave]

Dancepad better

[vale gyro]

real

[opaque rose]

Man that secret level

ok we got a big ominous door and it’s giving me plenty of plasma and rockets, probably a cyber demon so I can circle strafe it easy
…
THATS A SPIDER MASTERMIND OH GOD OH FUCK

[azure nimbus]

Yes but that isn't why those doors are opening

Vanilla doom has 4 types of triggers: walkover, switch(monsters can sometimes activate these), Gun shootable(hitscan but not bfg), walkover, and the one you will only see a single time in all 4 iwads is a timer.

[prime lava]

what map has the timer im curious now

i cant recall off the top of my head

[vale gyro]

sorry, wasn't familiar with map10

[azure nimbus]

The reason they're opening in this map is either because you're shooting the wall, a zombieman's hitscan is shooting a G wall, or it's a walkover linedef in the brown room with all the monster closets

[azure nimbus]

map27 secret 30 s. Every map of sigil2 has a 30 s secret as well. I think a 5 min timer exists in the triggers list but I've only seen it in a single map designed around a timer (or the 5 min timer is a dream I had lmao)

[prime lava]

oh ok lol

[azure nimbus]

honestly I may have jumped the gun. It's super possible that monsters were also opening doors there.

[vale gyro]

fair

[vale gyro]

tried installing it and first go around it failed on the final floppy

gonna try again real quick, could've been a fluke

damn, final disk failed again at the same place

bad sector I guess..

I could maybe replace the file and see if that works idk

any of y'all know how to check what version of the Doom 2 floppies I got? I'm assuming it's v1.6 as it's dated to 1994

[red token]

I am changing my mind about Doom 2. I am finding it a lot fun and even tho it doesn't follow a certain theme with levels like Doom 1, the levels have something to offer in their own ways. The gimmicky ones are interesting and present good ideas. Some levels aren't that good but still is a lot fun, my personal favorites are Tricks And Traps, Circle of Death (I think it was its name I don't remember), Underhalls, The Focus and The Catacomb and The Inmost Dens

[vale gyro]

Nevermind, I tried writing an image to the diskette and there is indeed a bad sector

well, that sucks

surprised that 4/5 diskettes worked, though

[little oar]

Is it possible to run the game with only those 4? Obviously it'd be missing some stuff but it could be interesting to see what all is held on #5

[vale gyro]

nah

what I'm doing is keeping all 5 diskettes for collection purposes

but then I made a replacement for Disk 5 for installation purposes

[little oar]

Fair enough

[vale gyro]

also RIP the data on Disk #5

[red token]

Do you have the real floppy disks?

[vale gyro]

yeah

[red token]

So cool. I would like to find somewhere Ultimate and Final Doom's CD for collecting purposes because I already have Doom on Xbox and PC

[vale gyro]

I got a copy of Doom Collectors Edition as well

it's nice as it still works on Win10

[mossy tree]

hey yall, got any suggestions on what the best fan remaster of doom one or two is, kinda want to mess around with em in gzdoom and want to just change it up a little

[median trellis]

none

[mossy tree]

i mean im not going to say they're better than the originals, i just want to have a bit of fun with playing some twists on the maps

so although i appreciate the response its not very helpful

[red token]

Chillo's Voxels for Doom

And Smooth Doom for weapons interpolation

You can also download something for real time shadows or smth and get a remaster for Doom that makes the artstyle intact

[unreal pike]

will there be any old doom in the dark ages?

[mossy tree]

thank you

[vale gyro]

Short answer:
Long answer: ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[twin mortar]

Technically MarauderShrug is the longer one

[vale gyro]

shh

[unreal pike]

🤷 maybe this is shorter?

[twin mortar]

That's even longer

[unreal pike]

no, default emoji have its unicode render, which is only 1 char

[mossy tree]

i just wish pregnant man shrugging was an option, thatd be the longest

[mossy tree]

to select them in discord desktop you have to type out the name

[twin mortar]

I guess that's right

[twin mortar]

Nope though

Windows and dot, or emoji tab on the right

[mossy tree]

forgor about the emoji tab

💀

[lapis wolf]

Wow even on my new account, the game is removing mods I downloaded that are still up on the browser.

I fucking hate this shitty ass port

[mossy tree]

?

[twin mortar]

You sure are enjoying yourself Kiryu

[lapis wolf]

KEX port modding stuff is super borked

[mossy tree]

i just use gzdoom

[unreal pike]

what on earth is KEX port?

[twin mortar]

Oh no, not GZDoom

[twin mortar]

DOOM + DOOM II

[mossy tree]

its the current port on steam

[lapis wolf]

Console player here

[mossy tree]

ah fair enough

gzdoom runs natively on linux and has many options for modding and config so thats what i use

[twin mortar]

Personally I hate it

[mossy tree]

i mean the biggest other option is zanodrum

[twin mortar]

Crispy/Chocolate DOOM

[lapis wolf]

When it's working. It's possibly the best DOOM experience ever for me on Console because DOOM II WADs are kinda untouchable.

But this port has so many fucking problems, it's gamebreaking.

Especially with all the crashes and soft locks

[mossy tree]

oh yeah thats true

[lapis wolf]

And basically everything regarding the mod browser as well as downloading mods is beyond borked

[mossy tree]

gzdoom definetly has linux energy which alot of people arent prepped for

[twin mortar]

At least Unity is still an option, and the X360 version

[lapis wolf]

But the WAD selection there is limited AF and I can already play all those on the KEX

[vale gyro]

Woof:

[twin mortar]

Woof is not as big as Choco

[vale gyro]

DSDA-Doom:

[mossy tree]

its kinda weird to own doom one and two seperately on steam since theyve been changed multiple times now

used to be doom, then doom 199x or whatever, then doom + doom II

[lapis wolf]

I can't believe I was praising this shit.

This thing desperately needs updates to fix its modding bullshit and crashes and shit

[mossy tree]

but i still have doom 2 seperately

[twin mortar]

It was The Ultimate DOOM at first

[mossy tree]

oh yeah your right

then it became doom (1993)

[vale gyro]

it later got renamed to Doom (1993)

which is actually the incorrect date

[twin mortar]

Meanwhile on Xbox you had DOOM and then DOOM (1993)

[lapis wolf]

Guess DII Wads ain't my favorite DOOM anymore because of this BS lol

[mossy tree]

still funny to have doom + doom II and doom II

[vale gyro]

yeah

[little oar]

Not to be confused with purchaseable DOOM (2005 movie) or DOOM (2016 game)

[mossy tree]

seperate games on steam

[little oar]

There are 3 wildly different DOOMs I love naming conventions

[mossy tree]

i wonder if theyll ever try to make a doom movie game

[twin mortar]

DOOM, DOOM, DOOM, DOOM (1993), DOOM + DOOM II, DOOM II, DOOM II (Classic), from the hit franchise DOOM with the protagonist Doom

[vale gyro]

bro's listing their copies of Doom like I do with Doom 1

[mossy tree]

John Doom, sometimes goes by John Eternal or John 2016

[lapis wolf]

Also weird bug, but if you switch accounts in the middle of a KEX section, it'll make you randomly download a specific number of mods that you had a history of downloading before, but it's RNG which mods are chosen to download

[twin mortar]

He was actually referred to as Doom in the first game he was named in lol

[vale gyro]

weird..

[lapis wolf]

It's so dumb.

[vale gyro]

I'm coping hard, alright?

[twin mortar]

Skill issue...

[mossy tree]

i mean technically eternal still calls him the Doom Slayer, so maybe his first name is Doom

he later got married to a woman named Jane Slayer or something

took her last name

[twin mortar]

Oh yeah also don't forget DOOM: The Board Game vs. DOOM: The Board Game @little oar

[mossy tree]

i know that hes semi canonically a Blazcoitz

[mossy tree]

dont forget Doom RPG

[vale gyro]

isn't one the OG and the other's the one with the RoE expansion?

[twin mortar]

There's nothing else named DOOM RPG though

[lapis wolf]

I was playing THT Threnody last night and really liking it and it disappeared from my mods list today.

When I looked at the browser, it's still up, and still one of the most popular.

I tried unsubscribing and subscribing and it won't let me download it ever again.

Ugh....but this doesn't even scratch the surface of how many issues are happening

[twin mortar]

OG is DOOM 3 with RoE, second is 2016

[vale gyro]

oh

[twin mortar]

Awful misspelling of Blazkowicz

[vale gyro]

I didn't learn from the Trivia Questions, then

[mossy tree]

im not polish

[lapis wolf]

Night dive aren't very consistent

[mossy tree]

i do the same thing when trying to spell Zdzslav Beksinski

Zdzisław Beksiński

[lapis wolf]

I say this as a big DOOM 64 defender lol

[twin mortar]

Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz

[mossy tree]

pronounced Gregory Breskywitz or something somehow

[twin mortar]

Nah

[mossy tree]

i know

just being silly

[vale gyro]

there is that one Doom mod

[twin mortar]

Yeah but that's not official

[vale gyro]

fair

[lapis wolf]

I should replay that honestly.

[mossy tree]

Im going to try the new chapter in Doom + Doom II, then try FreeDOOM

[vale gyro]

good luck

just be aware the BFG is no more in LoR

or the plasma gun

[mossy tree]

sad

[vale gyro]

there is a flamethrower and doom blade, though

[mossy tree]

cool

[vale gyro]

just don't get cornered as you got nothing to really get out of that situation now

as the flamethrower will kill you

[mossy tree]

point blank rocket launcher is clearly the answer

[vale gyro]

death

[lapis wolf]

In very specific situations it can be worth the risk tbh.

[vale gyro]

especially because the rocket launcher will only do a ton of damage at once

the flamethrower will keep dealing damage to you

[mossy tree]

found that theres a version of gzdoom with path tracing, no linux support though

[vale gyro]

You could try compiling it from source yourself

[echo rivet]

[mossy tree]

doubt itll work, seems made pretty much just for windows

seems running it through proton is also a hassle/non-functional so its probably best not to bother

[echo rivet]

GZDoom is a modding source port

[mossy tree]

no im aware

i mean theres a fork with a path traced renderer

[vale gyro]

every source port can be modded, man

[mossy tree]

but said fork only works on windows

[vale gyro]

Even the original executables

But yeah, GZDoom does have more advanced modding capabilities

[echo rivet]

that's what I mean

[vale gyro]

Oh, sorry

Thought you were saying that you need GZDoom to mod Doom. Newer players usually say that.

So yeah, excuse me

[finite crag]

Having frustrations with older WADs. I hate running DOSBox.

[vale gyro]

What issues you running into atm?

I’m guessing with their installers?

[finite crag]

Moreso an issue with .exe content.

Playing Alien Vendetta, right? I know I'm a fucking freak because I'm concerned about the text screens. They replaced the text screens - AV has its own "story." But the problem is those text screens only show when you run it through AV.exe, i.e. on DOS or through DOSBox.

The text screens are not in the actual WAD. So when I play through a source port, it just shows me Doom II's text screens.

This is obviously not something most people will care about, but I do, and I can't really find a way to put this shit in the WAD. It's not in the DeHackEd file either, so it's exclusive to the .exe.

[vale gyro]

Didn’t know AV had its own fork..

I could try looking at it when I wanna screw around for a bit

[finite crag]

That was how it originally released, yeah.

[echo rivet]

Wait are u playing doom from mobile

[finite crag]

No.

[echo rivet]

so why dosbox

[vale gyro]

For AV’s text screens

[echo rivet]

ah

[vale gyro]

Which are not apart of the WAD apparently

[echo rivet]

that's true

[finite crag]

They load in only with the .exe, which was designed to run on DOS.

[vale gyro]

The text screens are the intermission stuff, right?

If so couldn’t you decomp it and rip the text out of it?

[echo rivet]

so no vanilla doom port

[vale gyro]

Or you could go the annoying route and make the dehacked yourself

[finite crag]

Decompile the EXE? I'm not really sure how to do that.

[vale gyro]

Yeah

[finite crag]

The wiki says the EXE is just some hex editing for the par times + the DEH file, but clearly it's not the DEH file with the text as I'm loading both.

[vale gyro]

Hmm

[echo rivet]

or the hardcore route and dualbooting

[finite crag]

I'd decompile if I knew how.

[vale gyro]

MS-DOS can’t recognize the drives that we use today

Size limitations, mainly

Also formatting

[echo rivet]

the same for vm

[twin mortar]

I can see someone coming back to it nowadays

[vale gyro]

Couldn’t you just painstakingly copy the text over into the deh?

[finite crag]

Well, I'm not done with the WAD, is the thing. This is my first time playing it, so I'd like things to be proper as I play.

[vale gyro]

Fair

[echo rivet]

it wouldn't work

[vale gyro]

It would. You’d just need to make the DOOMHACK executable

[echo rivet]

that can become annoying

[vale gyro]

Annoying at best..

[echo rivet]

and if we screw up...

[vale gyro]

So if I’m correct AV.EXE isn’t running right? @finite crag

[vale gyro]

Well not much really

[finite crag]

Oh no the EXE runs fine in DOSBox. But I'm not playing this through DOSBox, that's what the source port is for.

I want the text screens that play with the EXE version to be in the WAD when I play it through my source port.

[vale gyro]

Oh

[echo rivet]

in fact i tried

[vale gyro]

Aight, got it

If you want me to I could move the text screens over to a deh you can load

It’d take a bit, though

Say like an hour?

[finite crag]

Sure, that's fine. Would be a big help.

[vale gyro]

Aight, gonna finish up what I’m doing

I’ll come back to you when it’s either done or I figure out it’s impossible

[finite crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1252719879187071187/1279169026794192908/av.zip?ex=66d3767d&is=66d224fd&hm=b144568ba710159cdb0591920275d47dab019c80700a46b6b78d30c30afe0484&
Here's the ZIP.

Or you can download it online from the usual, whatever.

[vale gyro]

K

Thanks

[vale gyro]

what maps have the intermissions again?

[finite crag]

I'm assuming the same as Doom II's.

[vale gyro]

yeah, which I don't know off the top of my head

[finite crag]

At least that's the first one.

[vale gyro]

I know there's one before map07 and after map30 but that's it

[finite crag]

Doom II had text screens at the end of MAP06, MAP11, MAP20, MAP30.

As well as text before each secret level.

[vale gyro]

aight, thanks

worst part about this is trying to figure out how to exit the levels lol

yeah, I got no clue where the exit is on 11

[azure nimbus]

15 and 31 for secret exits too

[twin mortar]

^

[azure nimbus]

F

[vale gyro]

I'm just looking it up on youtube now

I give up tryna figure it out lol

@finite crag the included DEH does have the text

I wasted 20 minutes doing that stuff for nothing...

God I'm such an idiot for not checking it sooner

[finite crag]

I've been loading it and it won't show the text.

[vale gyro]

what port are you loading it in?

[finite crag]

I've been loading AV.wad, AV.deh, then AVmidi.wad.

[vale gyro]

as it works perfectly fine in Woof/Nugget

[finite crag]

Nugget

[vale gyro]

you using -file to load it?

[finite crag]

Could it be the version of Doom 2's IWAD? It's the newer Bethesda one.

[finite crag]

Yes

[vale gyro]

that's your issue then

use -deh for it

[finite crag]

Oh. It's its own command?

[vale gyro]

yeah, same for BEX patches

which use -bex

[finite crag]

Well, alright. So

-deh AV.deh
?

[vale gyro]

yeah

you could also just embed the deh file if you wanted to

but it's not needed

[finite crag]

Alright. Well that's on me then lol. Thanks for the help.

[opaque rose]

God damn vivisection has been kicking my ass

Throwing 2 (3?) barons and 6 knights at me when I have no ammo

[median trellis]

that map is rough

and no backpack either

[opaque rose]

The whole expansion has no backpacks

[median trellis]

there's one on the last level just to troll

[opaque rose]

Yeah

Still gonna try beat this no save states

[median trellis]

chad

[opaque rose]

I was too afraid to go into the room locked behind the blue key, which meant I couldnt get any ammo for the barons and knights, and then I was doomed

Also that’s a tiny room

[median cloud]

Hardest map in nrftl

Except if u know the secrets

[opaque rose]

Yeah I couldn’t do that, just way too long to not have those

I spent half an hour on that map

[thorny pelican]

Does anyone play online

[vale gyro]

if anyone's played Eraser, how hard is it?

oh wait, just realized it's new

I saw the enemy count on it and got scared off lol

Scythe 2 has put fear into me

[finite crag]

@vale gyro Appreciate the help BTW, started working.

[vale gyro]

No problemo

I help people for fun...when they can actually help themselves when I'm helping them lol

too bad a ton of people are like that

you aren't by the way

[median trellis]

Anyone get a glitch where the backpack doesn't work in the Kex port?

[red harbor]

i decided to play ship of theseus doom (GZdoom) and it actually isnt that bad

before now i thought it was just myhouse.wad doom, but it isnt too bad

[vale gyro]

I personally dislike it but good for you for liking it

[red harbor]

eh honestly all i care about is that i get to blow off steam via doom

[vale gyro]

fair enough

if it's movement wasn't so bad I would probably use it

[hexed escarp]

I recently started playing valiant and it’s really awesome!

I’ve beaten the first 9 maps and they have all been great so far

[finite crag]

Doom is Timeless

[vale gyro]

real

[finite crag]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-cacodemon-demon-cute-gif-7070685866677885551

[wanton cave]

It is.. ||endless||

[vale gyro]

with the community content, yeah

and well, source ports

like the almighty Woof and it's brother Nugget Doom

and Woof's distant cousin Crispy Doom

[wanton cave]

It will forever be ported until the sun wipes us from existence

[red harbor]

duh, how couldnt it be? "but you cant look vertically!" gzdoom exists dude

[finite crag]

nah Doom Doom Doom

[vale gyro]

vertical mouselook is painful to use in Classic Doom

I will die on this hill

[fathom atlas]

unless its mods

does ps1 doom also include doom 2

[vale gyro]

it's still painful

I try to avoid GZDoom as much as possible

[fathom atlas]

do you use chocolate

[vale gyro]

I use Nugget Doom

[wanton cave]

Personally I prefer mint chocolate chip doom

[red harbor]

you guys dont like your doom rocky road?

[wanton cave]

Not really

[red harbor]

you're missing out

[celest coyote]

Thinking of starting Abandon soon

After Sunder UV, I'm hoping it's not too much harder

[tender sand]

real
it's not even just "good for being one of the first of its kind"

it's just good period

[lapis wolf]

That one is so brutal, but super impressive though lmao

[celest coyote]

Have you played through it all? I think it's about the same map count too

roughly 20 maps? I have RC1, need to check for the latest version

[lapis wolf]

Nah. Chugs too much on my Xbox One LMFAO

[celest coyote]

oh lol yeah i hear it's got spectacle to it

[lapis wolf]

Maps often have thousands of enemies haha

[celest coyote]

One map a day kinda wad just like sunder then

But I bet each level took months if not over a year to make if they get really big

[wanton cave]

Nothing brings people together like ganging up on a cyberdemon in coop

[opaque rose]

Does anyone have a good scan of doom 1’s box art?

Nvm found one

[grave bluff]

Am I just being dense or does the new doom remaster not have a search function for mods?

[twin mortar]

It does not, somehow

[grave bluff]

Ah.

Thanks

[fallow canopy]

is that a CackledemonTM?

[finite crag]

yesss

[fallow canopy]

are you real?

[finite crag]

I'm too real for the normies

https://tenor.com/view/fizgig-whine-fizz-gig-crystal-gif-13519034

[lapis wolf]

It does on the website

[lapis wolf]

Website

[azure nimbus]

Freelook exists in perhaps more ports than not at this point. On dsda for example, there is full freelook support

even disabling autoaim to make freelook more meaningul

[twin mortar]

I'm still correct, the guy said "The new DOOM remaster"

[thick token]

doom redux with the flavor mod and randomized death animations would go hard

[fathom atlas]

what would it be like to play with no freelook and no autoaim

[median cloud]

Its how I play mods when I have to use freelook

Makes it more aim reliant and since autoaim was introduced becausse of the lack freelook. I turn it off with freelook enabled

[azure nimbus]

enemies at a vertical would be impossible to hit at all unless you're using rockets at very specific distances to use the infinite height. Depending on how you count it, if you allow autoaim on the BFG tracers, then that could work.

[mint oasis]

A question does anybody know some heavy doom wads

[fathom atlas]

so autoaim is really just there for vertical aiming?

[azure nimbus]

Limited horizontal autoaim is also there for projectiles. I doubt there'd be vertical autoaim, or maybe it'd only be for projectiles, if there was freelook

[opaque rose]

Is there not a rad suit in Halls of the damned?

I had a supercharge from the secret level but the slime ate most of it

[stone bay]

You forget that monsters have infinite height so assuming ur higher then them you could shoot just fine

[azure nimbus]

zero

[azure nimbus]

Infinite height is in regards to explosions and monster v monster (or player v player or player v monster or item v charging lost soul). It will not cause your hitscan or projectiles to hit every monster below it

When a monster is below you, you're using autoaim to direct your hitscan or projectiles towards it. You can see this by firing rockets at enemies below(or above you). They go in the direction you'd expect. Likewise, if you're angle doesn't permit autoaim or you are too far away for it to kick in such that your projectile flies over their head, it will miss

Load up literally the first map of doom and try dodging imp projectiles vertically and be amazed

[fathom atlas]

playing ps1 doom 2 surprisingly made me better at doom

[azure nimbus]

Just a summary because I wrote way too much: bullets and projectiles fully respect 3d and height. I am not forgetting.

[steel oak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/653737128462909462/1279493792562675906/image.png?ex=66d4a4f3&is=66d35373&hm=0e45a5a14397bbd77b1ee8e1820e35ea558445fd9c96f60c983526b5787958c9&
I'm stuck in E3 M6. How do I get out?

[vale gyro]

There’s a candle on the floor to your left (?), interact with the wall behind it Check mmjp's response

[vale gyro]

been playing some of it, got murked by a shotgunner after I got the blue key

the WAD's scaring the hell outta me

[azure nimbus]

@steel oak the left candle has cells. The right candle has an exit portal

[vale gyro]

yeah, you're right

I was on my phone and thought he was looking from the entrance and not at it

[vale gyro]

gonna do a marathon of it tomorrow

or well, try to do so

the map is over an hour long without deaths

WAD starts you with 2% health and a single bullet so I'm gonna be dying a lot more than likely

[azure nimbus]

I don't have perfect memory. I had to load up the map to confirm the orientation

[vale gyro]

I know how to exit that map off the top of my head

just that the image was so dark I couldn't see properly

[azure nimbus]

best way is by clicking the secret exit through the wall

[cloud talon]

Chat how long would it take to get through every game on the doom 1+2 launcher?

[mint oasis]

Question is there a good site for custom doom wads

[vale gyro]

the IDGames Archive Frontend on DoomWorld

[mint oasis]

Can I get a link to it and how often is it updated

[vale gyro]

it's updated whenever someone uploads something to the server lol

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/

[mint oasis]

Thanks 🙂

@vale gyro what part of the front end has wads that has everything changed

[vale gyro]

oh, you're looking for total conversions?

[mint oasis]

Yeah

That what I think of for custom wads

[vale gyro]

I honestly can't remember where it is in the frontend

I usually search up exactly what I'm looking for on there

[mint oasis]

Oh ok

[vale gyro]

though, you can find some of the conversions in the themes section

like Batman Doom

[restive trout]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-guy-twerk-gif-25604234

[steel oak]

I was able to get out. Thank you.

[opaque rose]

i went back to play the rest of e2m6, man those barons got me good

so did the fake exit

[red harbor]

so i decided to try out Chocalate Doom, Crispy Doom, and PrBoom+

Friendship ended with GZDoom, PrBoom+ is my new best friend

[little oar]

Fellow PrBoom+ chad

[vale gyro]

if you like PrBoom+, use DSDA-Doom

as it's forked from PrBoom+ and has more features and allows you to play more WADs

[red harbor]

well this was an awkwardly short friendship with prboom+

[azure nimbus]

you may genuinely not notice a difference beyond the menus and dsda's mbf21 support

[vale gyro]

lmao

kinda like me and Woof

as I tried out Nugget

[red harbor]

seriously how is dsda so good despite being so vanilla

[vale gyro]

I personally had issues with DSDA-Doom

so I much prefer Nugget Doom

[red harbor]

fair, we all have our preferences

[red harbor]

Chocolate and Crispy aren't my favorites, I can't really see anything due to the resolution lol

[vale gyro]

I purposely keep the resolution Crispy Doom has in Nugget

[red harbor]

I salute you for liking to be blind /hj

[vale gyro]

I used Crispy Doom's high resolution rendering

that's what I grew used to and that's what I need to replicate in source ports

[azure nimbus]

on one hand, low res makes a lot of sense for authenticity -- however, when playing modern mapsets they expect you to be playing in contemporarily expected resolution and the maps tend to be larger where stuff just isn't visible at low res

or secrets will involve tiny buttons nestled into an otherwise untouched texture. Not realistically noticeable at low-res

[tidal jetty]

How strongly do yall feel about GZDoom, love it, hate it? i use it because the others dont have ultrawide support, or let you use custom midi mappers, at least i think

[little oar]

It's...fine. I wouldn't use it unless I had no other option, but it takes too long to set up (why are a lot of the default options also the disgusting ones?), there's way too many settings and they don't always make it clear what they actually affect

It's really weirdly optimized. Sometimes it opens and runs perfectly fine, and sometimes I can't even alt tab out of it and have to navigate through task manager with just my keyboard and kill it or restart my pc completely just to get it to close

Using GZDoom is kind of like playing russian roulette on whether it'll actually work like it should or not

Very versatile source port, I'll give it that, but also a massive headache to deal with as a result

[delicate heath]

i like gzdoom

[azure nimbus]

GZ is awesome for stuff designed for GZ doom. It's also what I used for screenshots before DSDA since, while the settings are weird, there are settings to make it look ok.

But when it comes to non GZrelated mods, running GZ doom is just running a physics inaccurate version of doom that is not speedrun legal and runs slower for no reason (also the HUD is ugly for some reason and never got updated like every other port)

I don't think the barrier to type in -complevel # is all that high that running DSDA or nugget or woo is too hard for where it's more appropriate

It is of course, thanks to Zdoom that I have ZDL 3-1.1. Science peaked at the ZDL doom launcher.

[tidal jetty]

i love zdl so much, one of the best mod launchers of all time, nothing fancy, but its perfect

[vale gyro]

I hate it personally

[tidal jetty]

why?

[vale gyro]

Movement is wonky

The settings menu is blegh

Also, I can’t get the resolution I want out of it

I sorta can when using software but then I can’t play and mods on it as 90% of them disable auto aim

[vale gyro]

I personally just use my own launcher

Allows me to edit whatever I want and add whatever I want

[hexed escarp]

woof and dsda-doom support ultrawide and custom midi mappers

woof is my port of choice for its clean settings menu but a lot of people choose dsda for its extra speedrunning features and hardware renderer that looks like software

[vale gyro]

And well, don’t forget Nugget Doom as its forked from Woof.

[tidal jetty]

ill have to look next time i play nuts

[vale gyro]

I really recommend Woof myself

Though it won’t hurt to try out DSDA-Doom if you want a hardware renderer instead

[tidal jetty]

i might check it out, i already have dsda installed though

[vale gyro]

I only have it installed for vid dumps

I have audio issues with it so I don’t use it

[tidal jetty]

noticed that with gz doom too

i think its because of the midi mapper

because same thing happened with system shock

[vale gyro]

For me all audio but the music halts when I pick up items

Also it’ll halt in some other cases

[tidal jetty]

for me its just no music at all

[vale gyro]

Woof, Nugget Doom, GZDoom, and Crispy Doom don’t have that issue for me

As well as other ports I didn’t metion

It’s just DSDA-Doom that had that issue for me

[tidal jetty]

im using the 4 virtual midi synths that comes with the virtual midisynth setup instead of the midi mapper, could be that

[vale gyro]

I use VMS as well

Never had issues with midi playback with that

[tidal jetty]

weird

[vale gyro]

Well, I don’t use 4 synths like you do

I just use one

[tidal jetty]

i havent checked it with the base synths

[vale gyro]

Actually, I’d have to look up what they’re called tbh

Idk if they’re called channels or synths

But you get what I mean, right?

[tidal jetty]

yeah

idk what they're called either, in the cofing its just called sounfonts

[stark plume]

Why were the master levels easier than plutonia

[vale gyro]

Soundfonts are separate than what I’m talking about

If I wasn’t looking over a dog rn I’d check

[stark plume]

Some of the levels were bad but some were really nice but overall it's easier than plutonia

[tidal jetty]

but in game theres "Coolsoft MIDImapper" iirc and "Virtual MIDIsynth #1 - #4"

[hexed escarp]

you want to use the second one i think

[tidal jetty]

i do for gameplay, it just doesnt play when recording though

[vale gyro]

Oh yeah, Woof allows for you to use VMS btw

I don’t exactly know about DSDA-Doom, though

Oh wait, Enator already mentioned that

Ignore me, then

[lethal sedge]

Finally got around to playing the new remaster for Doom 1 and Doom 2. Found out that disabling screen flash effects disables the green screen effect of the radiation suit and the red screen effect of the berserk power up

Not so much bad for the berserk power up since it is always active until the end of the level. But it is bad for the radiation suit as the green screen effect is a way to know how much longer the suit will last. I was just hoping it only disables the yellow flash screen effect when picking up items 😓

No idea if disabling the screen effects of berserk and radiation suit is intentional, probably not?

[little oar]

It could be. Even if only once, it does flash a color regardless. And flashes repeatedly at the end (for invinc and rad suit) when running out
Also affects the invincibility sphere. Probably the one powerup you want to be aware of when its running out more than any

[vale gyro]

The invisibility sphere makes some sense as it can cause seizures in theory

Community source ports have better accessibility features in my opinion

Especially Nugget Doom from what I can tell

[lethal sedge]

Yeah, the flashing when the invulnerability power up ends is affected, the screen turning all black and white still works but you still lose knowing when the power-up will lose its effect

Guess I'll have to stick with the flashing screen effects, was hoping it's only for item pick ups since that one is so common there

[little oar]

It's still weird with the pickups too. Maybe it was like this in the original, I'm not too sure, but if you pick up a lot of items that are stacked on the same space then the screen gets really red

Almost blinds you for a second if you pick up enough at one time

[lethal sedge]

It actually is like that in the originals, taking heavy amounts of damage all at once is the most common instance of that happening

Many items being stacked at once can also do that but it's more common when taking loads of damage to fill your screen with red paint

[azure nimbus]

my guess is that all it does is that it sets the palletes to be identical. They're fundamentally the same effects. Pain state, rad suit, item pickups all set the color pallete to be different

[little oar]

Ah. That still persists in this port too then, unfortunately

It's weird because it's an instant of both super satisfying but also "oh god I can't see anything"

[lethal sedge]

The port did set up to remain faithful to classic Doom so all things considered it is good on that. For the most part I got no big problems with the port, I still would like to see some things tweaked for sure alongside bug fixes that are found

I also get a bit too bothered by things that shouldn't be that big of a deal but hey it's something i noticed nonetheless

[little oar]

Only massive problems I can think of rn is with the sound. Some stuff (like pickups) are way too quiet, and for some reason the music for the "Original" option is also really quiet

Sounds will also cut out, even when there isn't much happening on screen. Not really sure why, I haven't been able to notice anything in common

[lethal sedge]

Probably, I guess that would indicate that removing the screen effects for the radiation suit and berserk is unintentional and something that's oddly tied to how the flashing yellow screen when picking up items and flashing red pain damage works

[lethal sedge]

Oh now that you mentioned it, I noticed that the "secret found" sound effect will cut off immediately if another message pops up. So the secret found sound effect is basically tied to the secret found message being displayed

[azure nimbus]

berserk and damage use the same palletes

items and rad suit use the same pallete too

[lethal sedge]

Yeah red screen for the berserk and when taking damage, and the rad suit is still an item pick up in of itself

[little oar]

Sounds seem to be the biggest issue so far, which considering how the unity ports were at release is a MASSIVE improvement
Also the soundfont is kind of weird for the midi options. It's easy to mod back in a custom one luckily. I use m0no's soundfont, which sounds a lot better than the base game's

[azure nimbus]

I think someone who doesn't like the screen flashes for damage would also dislike it for rad suits

[lethal sedge]

Like I said, the issue is that you no longer know when the rad suit is still in effect

It is on a timer and there isn't anything else in the game that would let you know you have a rad suit there

[azure nimbus]

Hadn't considered that

on the other hand, the lack of red screen won't confuse people who think that berserk runs out after 4 s as the red fades

[lethal sedge]

That could be a plus for the unaware 😄

[restive valve]

Just beat the first doom game today

[little oar]

Congrats, including episode 4?

[distant vine]

[celest coyote]

Maps 1-3 of abandon are pretty decent

Map 04 has a chaingunner encounter that is for the birds, a bit disappointing, but cool visuals

[hexed escarp]

are the secret maps in legacy of rust must-plays?

I missed the first secret exit and im debating whether I should go back and replay e1m2 to find it, just warp to the secret map, or skip it for now and maybe come back and play it latewr

[wanton gust]

You can warp to it later, they're more like novelty maps

[red harbor]

"dsda sucks because it removes things for the sake of complying with speedrunning standards!" insert duke nukem voice here if even the speedrunners dont want it, it's not good enough.

[celest coyote]

Dukey nukey

[vale gyro]

Bro crafted this sentence with gold ink

[red harbor]

duke nukem was great

forever was just kinda there tho

but thats off-topic

[celest coyote]

Really enjoying Abandon tho. I love maps that put a higher degree of effort into its visual design

[hexed escarp]

wait what does it remove?

[hexed escarp]

ah good to know

[wanton cave]

Which expansion should I go for? Master levels for doom 2, tnt, or plutonia? How hard are they compared to doom 1 and 2

[hexed escarp]

plutonia

[red harbor]

idk exactly but heres a quote from the (good) doom wiki

"DSDA-Doom is not intended to be a direct successor to PrBoom+ and many features present in PrBoom+ have been removed as they do not serve DSDA-Doom's purpose of being a speedrun-oriented source port. Some features are also disabled while recording demos in order to comply with the rules of the Doom Speed Demo Archive, an example of this being instant 180-degree turning, which was banned in March 2023."

[hexed escarp]

master levels are garbage, tnt is meh, but plutonia is excellent

[hexed escarp]

ah i see

[hexed escarp]

plutonia is definitely a step up in difficulty from doom 2, but the level design is way better than doom 1, 2 or any of the other expansions

the difficulty of the master levels is hard to gauge because their quality is not very good and they are very inconsistent

[wanton cave]

How hard compared to doom 1 episode 4 lol
Plutonia

[hexed escarp]

tnt is a bit more difficult than doom 2, but ive heard it gets kinda boring in the end

[hexed escarp]

which maps of episode 4 lol, that episode is not very difficulty consistent

but yeah I think it probably is a bit harder, but its also difficult to compare because it is working with the doom 2 enemy set, so the gameplay is very different

[little oar]

TNT gets very boring in the entire part

[hexed escarp]

lol

[little oar]

Played through master levels + tnt for the first time and even then tnt was kind of boring. It's not bad just doesn't have that much of note ig
Plutonia is proving to be a lot more fun though, so give that a shot if you want to skip straight to the fun addons

Master levels is kind of neat for the historical value of being levels that I assume were seen as really good back in the day but has only been surpassed with time.
A good way to show how wads have changed, ig

[median trellis]

tnt is a mixed ass bag

[hexed escarp]

yeah plutonia is absolutely the best classic add-on other than legacy of rust which just came out

[hexed escarp]

i dont think they were seen as good back in the day lol

they came out AFTER plutonia and tnt

[median trellis]

the secret levels in tnt are great along with map 17 and 18

[hexed escarp]

and after many other superior community works

[little oar]

Ah, assumed it was first since it's higher on the list in 1 + 2

It goes masters -> tnt -> plutonia for some reason

[hexed escarp]

oh never mind

im wrong, it was before

but i still think they were not seen as good even then

[azure nimbus]

that's not even true though. DSDA does have a 180 degree turn. It's not allowed for demos, but the feature exists

[red harbor]

That's exactly what it says

[azure nimbus]

sorry had to flex my reading skills

[lethal sedge]

This is pretty much the reason nobody really talks about the Master Levels all so much. Like some levels are good but then others are kind of okay and some are...eh

I can remember back with the original 2019 release of the Unity ports that No Rest For The Living was not included and that sucked because it is a really good set of levels, just a really set of Doom 2 levels with some limits increased

Honestly TNT is mainly remembered mainly because it is a community WAD that gone commercial, because it's a pretty mixed bag of community levels otherwise compared to the more professional Plutonia Experiment

[plush tundra]

Ghouls forest 3 remake vs ghouls forest 3 original 😰

[median cloud]

Order of release maybe?

[stone tiger]

Some stupid stuff has been removed from DSDA tbh

Not even because of speedrunners, just kraflab

[median cloud]

Hot take I dont really like the doom 2 ost remake

The doom 1 is fine

But I liked the low keyness of the doom 2 ost. The elevator-music style

And Andrew kinda just metallified it all

[remote cedar]

yeah it's definitely a different vibe

but most of them are great takes

and yeah I kinda wish some of the tracks were kept lowkey

[twin mortar]

Icon theme lost the vibe

[remote cedar]

yeah I can kinda see it

I'm moreso bummed about The Demon's Dead being not as nearly desolate as it once felt

on another note

I've watched Civvie's video on Legacy of Rust

I never thought an official Doom expansion could be ruthless like that

It's definitely not as tedious as Plutonia but it might be harder

[frozen citrus]

doom 2 is so good

[median cloud]

Really? I havent played Legacy of Rust yet but by his and others commentary it sounds to be more tedious and mean. Plutonia is never a pack I'd describe as tedious, most maps can be finished under 15 minutes

[fathom atlas]

question

when dealing with one pain elemental the logical option would be take out the fodder enemies and get up close and person with it

how about two pain elementals

[median cloud]

Usually you take out the pain elementals first before all else

[fathom atlas]

watched it too and yeah its a literal slaughtermap

[twin mortar]

Chainsaw

Take one out with the chainsaw

[median cloud]

Well it goes like this arch vile -> pain elemental -> hitscanners -> the rest

generally speaking

[twin mortar]

Spirits?

[median cloud]

spirits?

[twin mortar]

They'd go on the top of priority, right?

[fathom atlas]

but if its like a bunch of shotgunners surrounding you like the one room in refueling base(yes im still stuck on this level) you deal with the shotgunners since they die much easier but can deal a lot of damage if you dont deal with them first right

[twin mortar]

Oh wait I thought I was in DOOM Eternal chat lmfao

Well my general advice for Pain Elementals is to hug them

[median cloud]

Not sure what room you're referring to since there are 2 main rooms I can think of with tons of shotgunners

[azure nimbus]

nah. As long as you target the thing the spirit is attacking which you must do anyway, there is no need to kill spirits

[twin mortar]

Personally I always go after them

But I'm no skilled player by any means, biggest accomplishment is TAG 2 on NM, so

[fathom atlas]

A bunch of shotgunners and one pain elemental, the room to your left in the starting area

[azure nimbus]

shotgunners have got to go. Sometimes, you aren't ready yet to deal with a bunch of pains and you need range, door peaking, corner peaking, stun locking weapons, a BFG, or running. Pains will kill you if you can't deal with them fast and they have a lot of health.

[median cloud]

ah the one where you can lower the platform for the pinkies?

[fathom atlas]

Yes

[median cloud]

You can quickly kill the shotgunners that are in your face and then finish the pain elemental

Not sure if you're pistol starting or playing campaign

[fathom atlas]

But I’m referring to the ones where you go in the doorways and a bunch of doors open to reveal two pain elementals and some goodies in some slime

[fathom atlas]

I’ve been playing doom for like three months max blud no way I’m even touching pistol start😭😭

[azure nimbus]

Consider learning which enemies get targeted. Just let them do the possessions. You'll learn more about the game and potentially try a lil challenge where you don't kill spirits at all. As far as challenges go, it's fairly balanced. It's way more manageable than it might seem. A few spirits, oddly enough, don't even attempt to possess anybody at all

[azure nimbus]

ya shouldn't be in that room at all until you're really ready. There aren't enough goodies to justify opening those doors compared to those enemies

[fathom atlas]

But the second you want to go anywhere they’ll open so you have to deal with them first?

[azure nimbus]

that room isn't needed

you can visit every other room in the map without entering there or opening those green vat secret rooms

[fathom atlas]

What if I’m low on chaingun ammo, should I get those pain elementals to get the box of bullets?

[fathom atlas]

Also I didn’t know that, will try it again with that in mind

[azure nimbus]

nah. Easier to get ammo in that hitscan room with all the UAC logos by killing hitscanners. With that said, it's not like there's one right solution here. If you want to spend 70ish bullets to kill a pain and snag some boxes, that's your choice.

[median cloud]

Ah take the other route here, theres one route from the starting area that opens none of the slime pits

that way you can kill all the zombies first and then dispatch the pain elementals 1 by 1

I think its from the starting area to your right

[azure nimbus]

yeah you get into that room but then what? Every other exit opens a monster closet

the triggers are the west, east, and south entrances

[median cloud]

I mean hes playing campaign so hes probably stacked on ammo and if you want to max the map you'll have to kill those monsters anyway. Going from the other route you can clear all the monsters in that room with a chaingun before you unleash the pain elementals

[azure nimbus]

oh yeah kill the hitscan

cool that this map has a shotgun and chaingun and armor early

[median cloud]

yeah the shotgun is luckily free but the chaingun is swarmed by like 4 spectres in a room that also has a pain elemental iirc

Not sure you have the ammo to deal with all that reliably if u pistol start

I did beat refueling base pistol start but cant really remember the route I took

[azure nimbus]

funny I remembered a pain elemental too last time I played but there isn't one there

[median cloud]

Really? I could swear there was

[azure nimbus]

chaingun, 4 spectres, 4 stims. Have the editor open rn

[median cloud]

You sure you're checking on UV? Must be a pain elemental routing himself to that room then

yeah theres definitely a pain elemental there

[azure nimbus]

there's a pain in the room, but not within the chaingun opening

[median cloud]

Ah yeah I know that I meant in the room

its just if you run for the chaingun you'll have to deal with a bunch of monsters that Im not sure you'll have the ammo for if you pistol start

[azure nimbus]

yep

[fathom atlas]

thanks, you’re referring to the room where the pillar lowers to reveal pinkies? I’m a girl btw

[azure nimbus]

yeah the overall room has a pain but the chaingun pillar only has pinkies

[median cloud]

My bad I default to he on discord. But yes that room

[red harbor]

ok i've given crispy another shot and ive decided to become blind

[noble fractal]

i really cant recommend the ports that give doom a crunchy look like dos

its fun to try for a few minutes but i tried to play plutonia on it and made it to map10 that way and tbh after a time it just feels like youre playing underwater without goggles

[little oar]

Maybe that's the charm in it. You're limiting yourself to exactly what they see.
And for me, the crunchyness helps the textures. They don't look as good on smooth models as they do when they're pixels and warping imo

[azure nimbus]

I get the authenticity, but it makes larger maps really hard to play, small details hard to see, and besides: more powerful ports usually have low res options too

[twin mortar]

I only use source ports when necessary as I am a huge purist, so I am happy of their existence

[azure nimbus]

Outside of doomkid's stuff, even vanilla sets are going to be (in all likelihood) beyond DOS's vanilla limits

[fathom atlas]

should i wake up the mancubi mob in the factory

[azure nimbus]

I'd snag the ssg first

or even the rocket launcher. But ya don't get that many rockets regardless

[median cloud]

definitely get the ssg first

Can maybe even snag the BFG before you wake the yellow key manc horde

[hexed escarp]

Nah if something says vanilla, it means it runs on the vanilla doom2.exe, if it surpasses those limits, it should be labeled limit-removing

[azure nimbus]

yeah. I just mean that limit removing, boom, mbf, mbf21 is way more common than doom2.exe compat stuff

[split smelt]

I finished sunder 2009 yesterday

And did map 15

[median trellis]

no saves?

I'm playing Tetanus rn

[celest coyote]

Enjoy spending roughly 6 hours on Map 16 unironically

[median trellis]

I thought the 2009 version had 14 levels

[celest coyote]

It is, he said he finished old sunder and did map 15

[opaque rose]

yall how on earth do you finish mt erebus?

[wanton cave]

Find the exit

[opaque rose]

can you straiff into that blue box?

[vale gyro]

that's the neat part, y'don't

jokes aside, y'know that enclosed room that traps you inside it?

[azure nimbus]

yes

[opaque rose]

ok i got it

[wanton cave]

You gotta launch yourself into it

With a rocket

[azure nimbus]

even an sr40 is enough.

rockets are not needed

[opaque rose]

i just straiffed into it

[wanton cave]

Idk what that is

[opaque rose]

taking me back to e3m1, what is this one of those evil warp zones from mario lost levels?

[vale gyro]

oh have fun!

[azure nimbus]

In physics accurate ports and the original game: pressing forward applies a "move forward 50 units" vector or an MF50. Likewise, pressing right applies a "move right 40 units vector." This is referred to an sr40 internally. When people say to do an SR40 though, they're referring to simultaniously doing an MF50 AND SR40 which will give a combined speed of sqrt(50^2 + 40^2)

[azure nimbus]

just play it.

[opaque rose]

it is a different map

[azure nimbus]

Doom was designed both for mouse and key as well as keyboard only. So, a feature designed for keyboard users was the strafe key. This button converts your rotation inputs into a strafe input. Simultaniously using the normal strafe key AND the additional strafe on w/ rotation key will allow you to achieve a full 50 unit strafe. Which combined with an MF50 gives a total speed of sqrt(50^2 + 50^2) speed.

In the most recent official ports(I have no idea about older console ports), the regular strafe keys are SR50 by default

[opaque rose]

i caught a cyberdemon rocket trying to leave and that was it

[vale gyro]

ouch

anyways, how do I get the willingness to play a map for at least 2 hours straight?

[opaque rose]

is it a good map?

[vale gyro]

it's a map that kinda messes with my anxiety

[opaque rose]

but yeah next attempt ill use invul to grab all the rockets and book it

[vale gyro]

so it's gonna be a pain trying to play it

and I've never finished it before

[azure nimbus]

consider not taking the invuln and fighting the cyber. While...decreasing your survival chances, it's a good opprotunity to practice fighting cybers. There are only what, 2 In the original doom "trilogy"?

[opaque rose]

something like that

can i skip it?

[brittle marsh]

yo Im new here I would like too know if any one has made a discord sever that has voice channels

[opaque rose]

game placing me in a corner with 3 caco's surrounding me, bit finicky but im sure i can...
thats a lot of shotgunners

[supple dagger]

Hello, people

[brittle marsh]

hello

Im just asking questions

[vale gyro]

well, this server for sure don't have any

[supple dagger]

I just wanna ask tho

[opaque rose]

that was a good level

[brittle marsh]

I can see that coder penguin1

[supple dagger]

Is anybody interested in joining me online?

Nvm I got someone

[brittle marsh]

I would be R3tr0

[supple dagger]

Really?

[brittle marsh]

sure

[supple dagger]

Alright

[vale gyro]

if it was Zandronum I probably would

[supple dagger]

Room code is CHST

[vale gyro]

as I've kinda given up with the official port when it comes to multiplayer

[brittle marsh]

m

k

[supple dagger]

I see

Well, gotta play

Cya!

[brittle marsh]

Im in

[opaque rose]

Man limbo looks like it’ll be a pain

All that forced damage

[red harbor]

ok this is weird, so i have a copy of doom v1.1 but every port i try it on has nightmare? wasn't nightmare added in v1.2?

[vale gyro]

it could due to having the wrong complevel ig idk

[red harbor]

maybe, but i've tried it on woof and crispy

[vale gyro]

wait I just realized

the oldest complevel available is v1.2

[azure nimbus]

that's right. You might have to play it in dos or perhaps some obscure port designed for the older engines. CL 0 is 1.2, CL 1 is 1.666. CL -1 seems to just be another MBF21 on dsda at least

[red harbor]

well, off to dosbox i go

wait does that have wasd as the movement keys

[vale gyro]

not by default

[opaque rose]

Wouldn’t think so

[vale gyro]

WASD + Mouse was possible ALL the way back in DOS

[azure nimbus]

honestly don't remember what the default is. But run "setup" to change your controls as you please

[red harbor]

oh thank god

was worried id have a castle wolfenstein situation (seriously man what are those controls)

[azure nimbus]

there's an additional novert file you can run to disable vertical mouse movement (where pushing the mouse forwards moves you forward for some reason)

though you're not really moving the mouse vertically regardless

[vale gyro]

it's still quite annoying

usually I just do WASD + arrow keys

[opaque rose]

huh it crashed on me

[azure nimbus]

not that I got novert to work or figured out how to run doom1 on dos anyway. I did get doom2 to work though

[opaque rose]

it said to check for a crashlog, where do i find that?

[vale gyro]

I got Doom 1 running on DOS quite easily

well, UDoom

[opaque rose]

aaand thats doom beaten on UV for the first time

not including thy flesh consumed

[little oar]

Now play thy flesh consumed

[red harbor]

just gave gzdoom another shot since i kinda cut it off with prboom (whic hthen got cut off with DSDA lol) and honestly if you dont care about being vanilla it's great

[unreal pike]

anyone know this? https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/123304-bad-apple-but-its-in-doom-boom-actually/

[little oar]

Bad apple carrying the doom legacy of being played on anything with a screen

[storm tapir]

Better run off to Doom 2 unless you want to suffer!

[inland ruin]

I wish that the mods section on the new doom 1 and 2 for Xbox actually worked. There’s a port of myhouse.wad on there and it doesn’t work

[red harbor]

gzdoom with colored blood is beautiful

[twin mortar]

It works, people are just stupid

[vale gyro]

MyHouse does not work on the new port and never will

[twin mortar]

Most of the mods uploaded do not support the engine this port uses

[vale gyro]

Doom with colored blood in general is beautiful

[red harbor]

unless the new ports have the gzdoom magic code stuff then it wont work like ever unless you strip it heavily

[vale gyro]

Colored blood adds so little yet so much

[red harbor]

true but gzdoom looks beautiful with the right settings already

[twin mortar]

Too bad actually finding those settings is a torture method

[red harbor]

eh just google them like i did

[vale gyro]

GZDoom in my humble opinion will never look as good as something like Crispy Doom or Woof

[red harbor]

i get that from a purists standpoint

[vale gyro]

mind you both of these ports actually have colored blood

which is why I use them

[red harbor]

man if only the mod i used had colored blood for spectres (even gray blood would work)

[opaque rose]

so turns out you can cheat the achievements with the built-in console commands

which is how ive 100% it

[twin mortar]

That's as much cheesing as it is cheating no?

[opaque rose]

edited

[tepid sky]

Yo wassup

[red harbor]

nvm i found one that does that

yippie gzdoom is now perfect

[tepid sky]

Soooo…how’s everyone’s weekend been?

[vale gyro]

okay-ish I suppose, you?

[tepid sky]

It’s been good

[red harbor]

it's been alright, thanks for asking!

[cedar yacht]

I've just played legacy of rust on the new doom version. It is fucking awesome

[tepid sky]

No prob dude

[restive valve]

It’s been alright

[stark plume]

My good Lord, Back to Saturn X is a drug

I'm just continuously going like "just one more level" xD