classic-doom

[median trellis]

why are you playing dosbox

[fallow canopy]

I am trying to make a total conversion for Doom 2 that is DOS compatible

No chocolate doom

And to be sure, I might send the wad to someone who has OG MS-DOS

[errant abyss]

Hey all

any good DOOM mods to recommend?

[fallow canopy]

What source port do you own?

[errant abyss]

Xbox

[fallow canopy]

Doom + Doom 2?

[errant abyss]

I got it

yes

[fallow canopy]

Ok you should try, uh, let me see... I heard No End in Sight is pretty good. It's actually on the featured mods tab

[median trellis]

The DBP Project wads are great

[fallow canopy]

I you want a total conversion, try Harmony or that other one which name I forgot it should have a k on the name

[errant abyss]

I got Super Mayhem 17 👀

[fallow canopy]

Just be wary of things outside the featured tab

And be wary of Terry Wads as well

[errant abyss]

is the Castlevania mod on Xbox?

need a search option for the mods

[fallow canopy]

????

Also mods from GZDOOM don't work

[modern stump]

This is strange

[fallow canopy]

It's because of the source port dude

It would be copyright infringement to allow GZDOOM compatibility

Imagine it like me running a GZDOOM wad on DOSBOX

My computer would probably explode

KEX Doom is compatible with: Doom 1 and 2 og format, Boom, MBF, AND MBF21

[vale gyro]

only because KEX is closed-source

that's why they had to reverse engineer Boom, MBF, and MBF21 compatibility

[fallow canopy]

Yeah, and it would also be an infringement to make console available (or that's what someone said in DoomWorld)

[fallow canopy]

And it still has it's issues apparently

[errant abyss]

yeah it's GZDOOM..😥

[vale gyro]

buy a half-broken laptop for like $50 and barely be able to play GZDoom

[errant abyss]

hope they update it later to support GZDOOM

[vale gyro]

kidding, it'd be too expensive for the performance you'll be getting

[vale gyro]

probably never

GZDoom deviates from iDTech1 so much that it's pretty much its own engine

[errant abyss]

damm

[vale gyro]

KEX is meant to give a near-vanilla experience so it'd be out of scope anyways

[errant abyss]

well the new DOOM + DOOM 2 on Kex engine

[vale gyro]

yeah

[errant abyss]

ok

unless they update GZDOOM...

[vale gyro]

GZDoom's always being updated

but it's meant for PC platforms anyways

it's development was never focused towards consoles

as there is no reason for dev time to be forwarded towards that

[errant abyss]

Things change

[vale gyro]

as the game's being sold on console storefronts officially and GZDoom has no guarantee it'd even work well on console platforms

and there would still be no guarantee that mods would work properly due to the lack of buttons on a controller

[errant abyss]

I understand

[vale gyro]

you could try to make it happen if you wanna make your own fork, though

only issue being actually being able to play it

[errant abyss]

ok

[vale gyro]

though it'd be probably over a year of work just getting what you need added

[errant abyss]

damm

[vale gyro]

like adding in a way to upload mods, a server to actually store and access said mods, being able to browse, download, and play the mods

also maybe extending ZScript to be able to tap into some console specific things

making the code actually compatible for the console

also well, then there's the stuff I can't get into

as there is no way you can actually upload GZDoom to the PlayStation Store

[errant abyss]

better do a separate DOOM game compatible with GZDOOM

DOOM Maker

😱

[vale gyro]

if Bethesda wanted to use GZDoom, they'd have to follow it's license

which is probably something they don't want to do

[errant abyss]

ok I see

now imagine a DOOM Maker game you create your own DOOM lvl

[vale gyro]

yeah, that could happen

though that stuff is already possible on PC

[errant abyss]

I guess

[vale gyro]

and I still kinda doubt Beth/ID would want to spend resources making their own editor that they could sell

[small knot]

Guys I have a Halloween parade in my town and I’m cosplaying as 1993 doom guy for it 💪

[median trellis]

lit

[lapis wolf]

The KEX port on Xbox

[thick token]

like snapmap?

[lapis wolf]

They are, though they got rid of a lot of those on the KEX port's mod browser

One of the best DBP wads was Dungeons and Demons, and it's not there anymore.

[median trellis]

Zeppelin Armada and Emerald City are amazing

[lapis wolf]

I hope someone uploads Marble Hill. It looks great.

But I love Zeppelin Armada

[true current]

The fact that my modlist is entirely broken is making me go insane. They have to fix this.

[lapis wolf]

Dead but Dreaming was also removed for some reason unfortunately

[wanton hemlock]

KEXBox, if you will

[lapis wolf]

Yeah there's a lot of issues. What's yours?

[true current]

75% of mymodlist is gone, including all of the official sanctioned mods like sigil 2, tenanus, etc.

[wanton hemlock]

Is this the D&D you mean, Kiryu?

[lapis wolf]

Oh yeah. That's an issue unfortunately.

What's wild is, atleast for me, is apparently I'm still subscribed to most of them, they're just not downloaded anymore... and even unsubscribing and subscribing again doesn't redownload them.

[wanton hemlock]

I wanna try Nugget Doom with it, is that a good source port?

[lapis wolf]

Yeah. Idk why they deleted it off the browser

They deleted DPB25: Dead but Dreaming and many others too

[wanton hemlock]

It's a Woof! fork

[lapis wolf]

Especially since it worked smoothly

[wanton hemlock]

Is Nugg Doom good Doom?

[true current]

Indeed. It makes me not want to play the game at all until they fix it. I hate complaining about stuff, but this is kinda silly.

[wanton hemlock]

Ok, what do I set the complevel to? It's listed as "Limit Removing" on here.

[lapis wolf]

Also them removing so many mods from the browser doesn't help either.

But like this is happening to even mods that are still there

[wanton hemlock]

Ugh. Can't get DnD to load

[true current]

I think in trying to fix their backendz they broke it in an even weirder way.

[wanton hemlock]

How'd I load up the game?

[drypaphmrbro@archlinux ~]$ nugget-doom -iwad '/home/drypaphmrbro/Documents/WADS/doom2.wad' -pwad '/home/drypaphmrbro/Documents/WADS/dbp20_dnd.wad' 
Nugget Doom 3.2.0 (built on Aug 22 2024)

No such option '-pwad'.
[drypaphmrbro@archlinux ~]$ nugget-doom -iwad '/home/drypaphmrbro/Documents/WADS/doom2.wad' '/home/drypaphmrbro/Documents/WADS/dbp20_dnd.wad'
Nugget Doom 3.2.0 (built on Aug 22 2024)

No such option '/home/drypaphmrbro/Documents/WADS/dbp20_dnd.wad'.

Ayy, doing -file got it working

Love the new cheat messages, lol

Got all kills on MAP01, not bad for my 1st run!

(On an easier mode)

Ok, whoever added this is hilarious, I love you for it. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527939153297448/1277341732144414890/image.png?ex=66ccd0b0&is=66cb7f30&hm=d85ebabda011b8c4dbd8925d573f5324a966aa151cfd9ed76c0c72b162c4dd5b&

Is the berserk pack ammo slot a Nugget exclusive thing? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277341619749650597/1277343253523337338/image.png?ex=66ccd21b&is=66cb809b&hm=337a3036edc0a1f61ce1bc0fff6a750c234b310241644b84cd09cf03e10b07ed&

[lapis wolf]

The Quinary Conundrum is super good imo

[lapis wolf]

I think that was there for me as well, not sure

[wanton hemlock]

What engine'd you run it in?

[lapis wolf]

KEX port Xbox One. But it's removed from the browser ever since the update.

[wanton hemlock]

Ah, so it's a cool thing added by the mapmakers

[wanton hemlock]

Where'd I put the mbf beta graphics on nugget doom?

[raven pollen]

Hey all, I was wondering if anyone would be interested in playing co op classic doom with me. I don't have any friends who like doom so i don't have anyone to play with. I'm new to this community and I'm attempting to make some friends. I play on pc, (I'm not sure if the classic doom games have crossplay or not) . I guess if anyone is interested we could play some time.

[lapis wolf]

If you switch Xbox accounts and then switch back at some point in the new port, you have to wait for all your mods to download again. Every time.

Why?

[lapis wolf]

It's not even exactly ALL your mods either, it's just an RNG amount and randomly chosen mods that you had a history of downloading before to wait for download again.

The modding thing is borked beyond belief.

[lapis wolf]

And other mods that don't load up that you have a history of downloading, cannot be downloaded again.

Like wut?

[hexed escarp]

i think its good

i use woof which nugget doom is forked from

and i really like it

[dark oracle]

I appreciate ur asking, but I dunno if I'm able to do it on top of school and work obligations. Good luck, tho

[wanton hemlock]

Yep, the DOOM + DOOM 2 port has full crossplay

[bright falcon]

u still up?

[bright falcon]

i think kex version needs a update there are a lots of issues i just play gzdoom now

[raven pollen]

yeah. i cant play tonight but, in the near future i can, i guess if you want just DM me and we can connect in the future.

[bright falcon]

ok

[vale gyro]

In my opinion the official ports are worse version of ZDoom-based ports. And I already hate ZDoom-based ports for their movement and rendering style.

[hexed escarp]

? they arent zdoom based at all

[bright falcon]

whats wrong with the movement

[vale gyro]

I know they’re not and I never claimed they were.

I was mentioning ZDoom-based ports because they have wonky movement like Unity and KEX

[vale gyro]

It feels slower, more floaty

ZDoom movement throws me off a ton

I only play with more vanilla ports for that reason

[bright falcon]

i never tried vanilla ports

choclate doom is considered vanilla right?

[vale gyro]

It’s the most vanilla out of all of them

Also, I’m referring more to gameplay/movement

As the ports I use are limit removing and can play Boom/MBF maps as well as vanilla and limit removing

Chocolate Doom however is vanilla

In limits, rendering, FPS, movement, and gameplay

[simple peak]

Quick question: is Doom (II) Legacy of Rust considered canon within the Doom timeline (Classic Doom, Doom 2, Doom 64, Doom 2016, Doom Eternal)?

[vale gyro]

It’s just a port of Linux Doom with very few QoL features and it can run on modern systems

[bright falcon]

i dunno

[vale gyro]

LoR has not been confirmed or denied to be canon

It might be in the same realm as Final Doom and it’s more of a decision of the player if it’s canon or not

[bright falcon]

it doesnt really matter tho it doesnt have a lot lore to change anything

[simple peak]

I ask because it is official, meaning that it was worked on by id themselves. That may not mean anything, however.

[vale gyro]

Though if you want modern standards, try out Crispy Doom

Want to play maps that KEX can? Use Woof or Nugget Doom.

Want to do what Woof/Nugget can do map-wise but with even more compatibility and a software-looking hardware renderer? Use DSDA-Doom.

If you’re fine with GZDoom just keep using it, though.

I personally don’t like it but it’s up to preference if you like something or not.

[bright falcon]

i'll try something else if i got bored but im fine with gz rn

[vale gyro]

Fair enough.

If you ever wanna try something else out I recommend Woof personally. Though if you like Woof and want a ton of visual flair you can check out Nugget as well.

[misty ferry]

what do you guys think is the best running doom port?

[bright falcon]

depends on what u want i think

[misty ferry]

doesnt depend on anything. i asked what you think is the best running doom port

[bright falcon]

offical relases or source portss?

[misty ferry]

official releases

didnt even know there were source ports

oh actually

arent the source ports those programs you can run the wads through?

[bright falcon]

kex version is good i think

[misty ferry]

gives more features and such

[wanton cave]

smart fridge

[bright falcon]

ye

[misty ferry]

what even is kex?

[bright falcon]

the new doom+doom2

[misty ferry]

i meant before that

when doom actually released

obviously that's the best

i objectively only play the kex version these days

[lapis wolf]

Hugo Martin would probably say so. But he also just makes up lore because it sounds cool as much as I love the guy.

[lapis wolf]

The update already broke things, another update would probably break it even further lmfao

[strange fog]

What’s the best way to get “shoot it until it dies”?

My best guess is grosse

[bright falcon]

Didnt know it had an update didnt play it for a while

[misty ferry]

what broke?

[lapis wolf]

A lot of things regarding mods.

Though menu and loading up is faster than pre-patch.

However crashes and soft locks are still just as constant as they usually are

[hexed escarp]

Nah there are tons of compatibility issues that they need to fix with updates

[misty ferry]

at least we arent talking about how much trash is even on the mods menu

[lapis wolf]

That's not what I'm talking about though

[misty ferry]

have they banned anyone yet for uploading stuff they didnt make?

[lapis wolf]

Most of that is gone I believe, but they got rid of a lot of good mods too, even ones that worked smoothly

There's many other weird problems too

[misty ferry]

why's that?

i mean about the good ones being removed?

[vale gyro]

cuz the people who uploaded them didn't own the WADs

[misty ferry]

right right

[lapis wolf]

Meanwhile they're still allowing a lot of wads uploaded that aren't official because the official people never stepped in. Even on the most popular page

The whole thing is just weird

[vale gyro]

yeah, weird

I'm waiting for someone to upload One Humanity for some reason

like it's allowed according to the text file but it's kinda scumbaggy

[lapis wolf]

And only specific DPB projects get removed, but like 60% of them still are staying

[lunar rune]

Why is this a thing? Most 2000s megawad creators aren't even around anymore

[lapis wolf]

Oh....I already saw that

[vale gyro]

dang

[misty ferry]

wait, so people complained that their wad was uploaded so it was taken down but people who didnt step in still have theirs uploaded by someone else?

[lapis wolf]

I downloaded it too, but I didn't really like what I played. I thought SIGIL was better

[vale gyro]

I actually liked One Humanity

it's just one of those maps you can play just to play

[lapis wolf]

No idea, because some DBP projects got taken down, but atleast 60-70% of the DPB projects remain...but I don't think DBP people ever stepped in to say anything

[vale gyro]

the reason is because it's meant to be bought to support Ukraine

[misty ferry]

that all sounds like a mess i'm hardly able to keep up with

[vale gyro]

it can be shared but it's not wanted

[lapis wolf]

I'm not really sure how the system works at all. It's so inconsistent and wonky

[lapis wolf]

For the whole KEX modding thing

[misty ferry]

right

i wonder why quake got this treatment (minus mods) and doom originally got stuck without online and mods

why it took this long for the doom modern port to be as good as the quake modern port is beyond me

and i dont understand why quake 64 doesnt have coop or online

[vale gyro]

dunno either

[lapis wolf]

P.S. I see a shitton of Auger Zenith and Ancient Aliens uploads all the time. They gotta be the most spammed wads or something

[misty ferry]

the mario one was up there for a moment

[vale gyro]

I don't like the new ports anyways

[misty ferry]

why?

[vale gyro]

never cared for Unity

[little oar]

The Unity ports were out before both doom 64, and quake 1 got their KEX engine upgrades

[vale gyro]

I'm ok with KEX

[vale gyro]

wonky movement

[lapis wolf]

There's still many Mario ones on the most popular page

[vale gyro]

also the weird rendering in Unity

[little oar]

They took longer because the KEX engine for ID Software ports simply wasn't a thing yet. Afaik the only big/important game port using kex was Blood's

[misty ferry]

you must be a purist because i cant tell its different

[lapis wolf]

I personally really like the movement, but I had to get used to it after the Unity port

[vale gyro]

I get thrown off a LOT due to the auto SR50

[lapis wolf]

I like how incredibly fast KEX feels especially with high FoV

[vale gyro]

tf

[misty ferry]

❓

[lapis wolf]

Probably a bot

[vale gyro]

yeah, they did it in gen chat as well

[little oar]

KEX engine is fine but running along walls is really weird. Sometimes you'll stutter and get stuck on them and sometimes you'll go flying
(I know the ladder is a quirk of the original engine as well, but it's odd to carry over that specific bug to a new written engine)

[vale gyro]

I'll get in touch with ModMail if someone doesn't ping mods

sigh

[lapis wolf]

Yeah, but they still need to fix the stability/crashes and whole modding mess....but I do love it when it's working lol.

Dunno why they took so long either

[little oar]

Also not sure if this is a KEX engine thing or not but D64 also had it so I assume so, but if you run down stairs you "slide" down them
If you let go it's kind of hard to stop doomguy's momentum

[vale gyro]

he's banned

Thomas pinged mods thank god

[lapis wolf]

That was fast

[misty ferry]

i've always found doomseeker to be too complicated to play with my buddies so it's really nice to have this port

[vale gyro]

yeah, the port's nice for multiplayer

[lapis wolf]

I did notice the Unity port wasn't as heavy for it

[vale gyro]

only reason I have it installed tbh

[misty ferry]

i wish they had mods compatible with online but i cant complain

at least the original game is playable

[little oar]

Yeah I don't recall it happening in unity as much. Probably just a KEX thing

[lapis wolf]

Tbh I didn't even know they weren't

[misty ferry]

no option for online when you load a mod

and i head mods worked for the unity ports but you had to mod the game

[lapis wolf]

Oh I thought I clicked it a few times. Weird

[misty ferry]

sounds like a pain in the arse for no reason

[misty ferry]

i loaded simpsons mod and didnt see it

[lapis wolf]

Odd

[misty ferry]

i still love that mod. also, i think it wasnt working right because some sounds were playing for wrong characters

[lapis wolf]

Yeah, they put the D64 touch on it I guess lol

[lapis wolf]

Have you played Super Mayhem17?

[little oar]

Haven't tried Quake/Blood yet so I'm not sure if the problem exists there or not, since those also use the kex engine afaik

[misty ferry]

no, is it good?

[little oar]

It's not game breaking but it is kind of annoying to run down stairs and have to fully commit to it with no way to stop your tumble if you suddenly see something at the bottom

[lapis wolf]

It's a Mario mod that's on Mario themed levels.

Different from just 1993 levels with a Mario skin.

I think it's pretty cool

The levels and encounters aren't the best, but it's cool for the novelty I suppose

[misty ferry]

i didnt even know blood was ported

[misty ferry]

i'll go grab it

[little oar]

Mhm. It got a kex engine port back in...2019? I think?

Sometime around there

[misty ferry]

i have it i just didnt know it was put onto kex

[lapis wolf]

There's a Super Mayhem version where it's Doomguy fighting demons on the levels, and another version where he's Mario with Mario weapons and sounds fighting Mario enemies on the new levels lmao

[misty ferry]

do the mods automatically know which game to load?

[lapis wolf]

Yeah

[vale gyro]

which is an issue

I wish you could override it

part of the reason I don't use the new port

and would much rather use Nugget Doom

[misty ferry]

star wars for doom 2 isnt that original story starwars wad? i cant remember the name

[gaunt jacinth]

does anyone wanna play classic doom online

multiplayer

[lapis wolf]

Wait why.

Ancient Aliens or Eviternity trying to load DOOM 1993 would be dysfunctional, so wouldn't it automatically loading DOOM II be a good thing?

[vale gyro]

hence my idea of the override

it could do the automatic detection

but also allow the user to override it if needed

[lapis wolf]

What the heck would Ancient Aliens overriding a loading onto DOOM 1993 even be like

No SSG and extra enemies? That'd be....odd on Ancient Aliens

[vale gyro]

it'd look like an error code

as it can't load the maps

but I'm referring to things like Boiled Doom and such

[lapis wolf]

The. Why would you want that?

[vale gyro]

or Smooth Doom

[misty ferry]

can you keep wads you downloaded if they are removed?

[lapis wolf]

Before the update you could, but the new update caused some weird things and the answer is now a bit unclear

[misty ferry]

i was wondering because someone uploaded chex quest and it's spot on

[lapis wolf]

I think there was some mods I still kept that were removed, but others I lost.
. seems random. Idk

[misty ferry]

right

i'm hoping someone uploads that squidward wad where he has a bad day and kills people in bikini bottom

[lapis wolf]

Before the update, I think I would keep literally everything that got removed if I remember right.

[lapis wolf]

I love Ray Mohawk 2 Ray Wreaks Havoc.

Simultaneously goofy AF but surprisingly cool WAD too.

But you have a full auto SSG, and yes it's pretty overpowered lol

[vale gyro]

I heard full auto ssg

[lapis wolf]

Also Ray Mohawk is literally just Doomguy with sunglasses and a green Mohawk lmfao

[lapis wolf]

Yeah very fun. Also fantastic music

[misty ferry]

how bad is the doom 64 port for doo 2 on the mod browser?

[trail geode]

Is it possible to rocket jump in source ports?

[vale gyro]

GZDoom allows it I think

[misty ferry]

i hate that you cant just search on the browser

i found ray mowhawk 1 and 2

[vale gyro]

well, you can still rocket jump in vanilla doom but it's not like how you'd think of rocket jumping in like TF2

it's only horizontal

[misty ferry]

and thats already 2 i've seen of people reuploading brutal doom

even though it shouldnt work

[silver sage]

Whys no one uploaded boiled doom 2 yet?

[vale gyro]

[wanton cave]

Because its still boiling

[lapis wolf]

I use the website to search and subscribe.

[lapis wolf]

It's just mediocre IMO

[misty ferry]

all the psx conversions are bad too

[lapis wolf]

I like DBP64: The Vast Silence a lot. Though it's kinda grey filtered and the colored lighting isn't nearly as good

[misty ferry]

this ray mowhawk is pretty good

[misty ferry]

what website?

kiryu, you can dm me

[true current]

I finally fixed the issue with my modlist.

I had to go onto the bethesda website, manually unsubscribe from all of my wads, and then fresh install as well as delete save data and reserved space, then manually download everything i had before, and NOW it works.

[sturdy vine]

I really need help with this mod issue I am having with doom + doom II is there anyone at Bethesda I can talk to or something. The 30% of the mods I downloaded disappeared with the new update on steam and Xbox series X.

[vale gyro]

that's because a ton of mods were deleted after the update

mainly due to reuploads and such

I don't rely on a third party to say what mods I can and can't keep

don't really like the port to begin with so I don't use it

[sturdy vine]

Even after we subscribed to them? I thought that meant they were downloaded to the computer or console so even if they were deleted you still had them?

[vale gyro]

some people keep them after deletion, some don't

it's completely random from what we can tell

[sturdy vine]

So it’s all like on a cloud and our mods can be deleted randomly whenever updates occur?

[vale gyro]

I guess, yeah

at least on PC I'd say switch to a source port for singleplayer

as you can locally store the mods where ever you want

[true current]

You also might have to unsubscribe to all mods on the website library, and then redownload them on your console natively.

[sturdy vine]

I play on the steam mainly are you saying to start up on the dos option then download the mods which will be stored on local disk that way?

[true current]

I just fixed this issue myself.

[vale gyro]

the DOS version can't play half of the mods KEX and community source ports can

msot you can play with it are WADs from 1993-1996

[sturdy vine]

Two things.

One: you did this on the Bethesda website? Where?

Two: when I unsubscribe then subscribe to redownload it it just says “download queue” and it gets stuck.

[sturdy vine]

Oh okay but is that what you meant by change sourceport?

[vale gyro]

basically you can download community-made source ports online

you can take the Doom 1, 2, and Final Doom WAD files from Steam and put them into the source ports

allows you to play mods that even the Steam version can't

things like Brutal Doom, MyHouse.wad, among others

[true current]

One moment.

Dang.

It deleted that link.

Its mods dot bethesda dot net.

You must unsubscribe on that website, reinstall the game, and then download them again via your console of choice.

[lapis wolf]

It's deeper than that. It also gets rid of mods that are still put online, and you can't download them again even though you're still subscribed and they're still up

[vale gyro]

ah

[lapis wolf]

But bizzaringly you can download them again on an alt account

[vale gyro]

weird

gives me another reason not to use the port ig

[true current]

Yeah, website. Unsubscribe from everything, redownload game, resubscribe to everything.

[lapis wolf]

Yeah and that doesn't work for some reason.

Shit's just broken.

Better to use an alt account if you can't get a mod for use/back

[true current]

You might have to refresh the library. It showed that i had 4 pages at first, and rhen 11.

[lapis wolf]

But a lot of them don't show up in-game that's the problem lol

There's many mods on my library on the website that don't appear in game.

There's not really a fix for now

[true current]

Some may be platform specific.

[lapis wolf]

Nah. I had literally all of them before the update

Update be borked

[true current]

Indeed.

[median trellis]

does eviternity work on the new release?

[vale gyro]

from what I've heard it's buggy

[median trellis]

ok

my game crashes when I try running it

I'm surprised Sunder isn't on there

there's just the 2009 version

[coarse hornet]

Using the newest release to do a new run through of the first two dooms, and I’m having a great time with it. Except I think I may have softlocked myself a bit on the 21st map of Doom 2.
There’s this triangle with four buttons on it that are supposed to activate stairs, so I clicked them and instinctively quicksaved over it, but I discovered that one of the steps didn’t pop up. Is this anything that I can fix in the level myself? Or do I just have to hit myself with rockets and restart the level

I’m fine with doing that, I’d just like to keep the ammo I’ve been saving if possible

[median trellis]

it's over

[coarse hornet]

Dang that’s a shame
Thanks though

[median trellis]

I pistol start all levels

it's a great way to improve

[coarse hornet]

Oh yeah no it’s really no problem that’s fun, I just like the feeling of keeping my stuff through a run (though there’s a lot in this level if I remember right so it shouldn’t be too bad)

[austere tangle]

No Rest For The Living is one hell of a Pinky party

[median trellis]

no rest for the living has great levels

but there's no backpack until the last level which pisses me off

[austere tangle]

I've been doing well with it but yeah that's pretty dumb

[vast reef]

canon 👏 doesn't 👏 matter

[dim hollow]

that's a long known softlock on nirvana where you hit the four switches "too fast" yeah

honestly if you wanted to just idclip over them no one would judge you

[median cloud]

Wow I'm ass at Icon of Sin levels

struggled way too much on these

[static flax]

Why does 105% kills exist lol

How did I get that

[twin mortar]

Arch-vile

Or Icon of Sin

[median cloud]

Did they ever fix the map 15 secret bug?

[twin mortar]

No, and I'm glad

[median cloud]

Why?

[twin mortar]

It preserves the game in its original state

[lapis wolf]

It does, but some parts are straight up unbeatable due to compatibility bugs

[median cloud]

okay I pistol started all of classic doom now

Doom, Doom 2, TNT and Plutonia

done!

[wanton hemlock]

Wish nugget doom had an infinite ammo toggle

[wanton hemlock]

Not yet - you need to do Sigil 1 & 2

[wanton hemlock]

What skill level were you on?

[static flax]

Hurt me plenty

[median cloud]

I already did Sigili some time ago

Sigil 2 I just cba to do at the moment haha

I might go do NRFTL

[wanton hemlock]

How'd I show FPS on Nugget?

[wanton hemlock]

Wuss /jk

[vale gyro]

SHOWFPS

Yes, that’s a cheat

[wanton hemlock]

They've also got an IDK cheat which just gives you the keys. Pretty pointless when you can do IDKFA

[vale gyro]

Well, sometimes you just want the keys

There’s also the WEAP cheat that’ll give/remove weapons

That includes the pistol funnily enough

[wanton hemlock]

Only asked because I'm on nuts

[vale gyro]

If you don’t got a strong CPU that maps not gonna run well

[wanton hemlock]

New Doom challenge: Fist the demons

[vale gyro]

As Nugget only has a software renderer

[wanton hemlock]

i5-11400H

[vale gyro]

It has absolutely no hardware renderer

[wanton hemlock]

Yes, this is my laptop's CPU

Christ the demons're killing themselves on it

What's the MDK abbrev. in the settings?

[smoky gorge]

does the rerelease use the predefined level name textures from the wads on the end stats screen for a level, or does it use another text system?

[red token]

I have found out that I have doom+doom 2 free because I bought Doom 2 Unity Port on Xbox. Am I be able to download it on PC from Microsoft Store because I have the same account and I have Doom 2 Unity Port as a microsoft software on PC

[azure nimbus]

should work

[red token]

Yeah I have it

[iron quail]

yakuza table slam gif fuck e2m4 dude

[peak trout]

Is Final Doom in a different branch of the Doom timeline, or is it straight up not canon?

[finite crag]

Dubiously canon at best. Not written by id, and unlike Doom 64 no other installments mention either Final Doom IWAD.

You can headcanon them as relevant if you want, I guess.

[prime canopy]

Is it normal that the github repository of DSDA Doom doesn't have any executable (.exe), or any release ?

How can i install it then if i just have the master .zip file ?

[twin mortar]

It literally has a release

[prime canopy]

Neverdmind, i just find the release 😅

[twin mortar]

Look to the right of the page

[lapis wolf]

I noticed the frequency of mods uploading has drastically decreased

Either population is dying a lot, or people now have to go through a lot more hoops to get a mod uploaded

[little oar]

That initial "boom" of people uploading mods to see what would work and what wouldn't has passed, so hopefully it starts slowly down

[finite crag]

Just discovered Woof and love it a lot. Might switch to this until they iron out all the problems with the Nightdive port.

[finite crag]

TBF GitHub is awful for people who don't know this kind of stuff. I'm a reasonably smart guy and had trouble realizing where to download shit my first time downloading something from it.

[twin mortar]

Yeah, GitHub is stupidly hard to download stuff from

Unrelated but I just finished RAGE, are you still planning to play through it someday?

[vale gyro]

Yeah, Woof is amazing

[finite crag]

Maybe someday.

Not too updated on source port shit. Have source ports like Woof expressed interest and adding ID24 support?

[vale gyro]

I prefer Nugget Doom, though.

[vale gyro]

Not that I’m aware of but knowing the dev behind Woof, it’ll probably get added.

Woof was one of the first ports to have MBF21 support after all

[finite crag]

I hope so. I really liked LoR and would like to replay it with this source port someday.

[vale gyro]

Well, the only issue is that ID24 is apparently closed source

[vale gyro]

LoR works in Woof

[finite crag]

Doesn't it need ID24 support?

[vale gyro]

It’s apparently for cosmetic stuff only

Both weapons and all enemies work in my experience

[finite crag]

Ah, I see.

[vale gyro]

Just have the complevel set to MBF21

[finite crag]

Well that's nice. I hope that we see LoR's monsters in future fan WADs.

I like the Vassago a lot.

[vale gyro]

But yeah, check out Nugget Doom if you like Woof and want more visual flair

Nugget Doom’s nice as you can skip the Quit Game message if you wanted

I mainly use it for its visual gimmicks, though

[finite crag]

Does it let me change the invulnerability filter so it's not seizure-inducing?

[vale gyro]

As in?

Like the blinking of it?

[finite crag]

Yeah, and also just how fucking bright it is.

[split sigil]

Pure white and epilepsy warning needed

[finite crag]

GzDoom had this and I liked that.

[vale gyro]

I think you can turn off the filters completely

[wanton cave]

Does being partially invisible actually do anything? The orb existing just seems pointless

[vale gyro]

And turn on the ability timers

I’ll check real quick

[twin mortar]

It's neat but the story is barebones, very barebones

[finite crag]

It makes enemies miss very often, makes them randomly throw attacks at angle offsets.

It's amazing against hitscanners as they'll hit you way less, but when it's against projectile enemies it's almost detrimental. IMO it's harder to consistently dodge a Baron when you're invisible than it is when you're not, because you don't expect them to sling a fireball right at the place you're dodging to.

[vale gyro]

ok

you can make it so the invuln is shades of grey instead of white

looking around a bit more to see if you can straight up turn it off

Yeah

[finite crag]

That's fine, I like that anyway.

[vale gyro]

you can straight up disable the invuln tint in Nugget

it'll replace it with what the light-amp does

[twin mortar]

It's good if the projectile enemies are far away

[finite crag]

Yeah it's not half bad then.

[vale gyro]

and it'll also remove the flashing completely

[twin mortar]

It also makes Pain Elementals easy but if you hug them they're already easy

[finite crag]

But at mid-short range? Horrible

[vale gyro]

so none of the blinking that the light-amp has

[finite crag]

Good. Fuck the invuln effect, it's awful. I'm not epileptic but I'd have no clue what to do if I were.

I can't blame id though, as we all know epilepsy wasn't invented until 1998.

[vale gyro]

lmao

but yeah

if you really wanted to Nugget also has timers for every ability if you wanted to turn that on

so try it out if you want to

[mint oasis]

Question is it possible to to run doom source ports on android

[vale gyro]

with Delta Touch, yeah

there's a limited selection of them that it has, though

[mint oasis]

Does it have an engine that allows me to have quality of life improvements?But still let me use modded wads

[vale gyro]

it has PrBoom (not PrBoom+), GZDoom, LZDoom, Zandronum, Chocolate Doom, and Doom Retro

and well, dhewm3

[mint oasis]

But which one let me have what I want

[vale gyro]

well, all of them can play modded WADs

[mint oasis]

I like wide-screen doom

[vale gyro]

well, Chocolate Doom can only do what the original engine can do

[vale gyro]

PrBoom is probably your best option if you want more vanilla

otherwise one of the 3 ZDoom-based ports

[mint oasis]

Like will it let me have modded wads but let me have modern Quality of life improvements like looking in all direction

[vale gyro]

ok, yeah, you need GZDoom, LZDoom, or Zandronum for that

[mint oasis]

Wide-screen

[vale gyro]

I personally dislike all 3 of those ports as it's not my thing

[mint oasis]

But its for me

[vale gyro]

but those 3 ports have exactly what you need, primarily GZDoom

so yeah, just use GZDoom

[mint oasis]

Does it allowed gamepad

[vale gyro]

just be aware that it's heavy to run

[vale gyro]

yeah, I think

[mint oasis]

My phone is a galaxy s23 fe snapdragon

[vale gyro]

I don't know if Delta Touch will, though

I don't own an Android so I can't test those claims

or well, the money to buy Delta Touch even if I had an Android

[mint oasis]

Oh ok I only have my phone

[vale gyro]

just so you know you'll need to buy the IWADs as well

[mint oasis]

Ik

[vale gyro]

as Delta Touch only includes Freedoom

[mint oasis]

Alright thanks tho

[fringe root]

anyone playing the new DOOM + DOOM II bundle? i’m on series X would love to get a co-op playthrough going

[median trellis]

Is it crossplay?

[fringe root]

yes

i have a lobby open atm my gamertag is bc kingy

[azure nimbus]

As much as I'll never give up my ports, crossplay means this is a great way to invite new players

[fringe root]

for sure im not too new to the franchise my dad introduced me to it when i was a young lad and i used to download knee deep in the dead shareware on my shitty laptop and play it all the time

i made a group post on xbox and some 8 year old joined the party i kicked him immediately but bro got some taste lol

[lapis wolf]

Some of the mods people making in Eternal look like DOOM II custom wad type stuff but in modern graphics, which I think is really cool

Stardate, Ancient Aliens, and Dungeons and Demons in DOOM Eternal mods would legit be like one of the best things ever, and it might actually come to fruition

[rotund dew]

Once you get to a certain skill level you'll find out it has a single specific use and its when you are facing tons of hitscan. Especially chaingunners and the spider mama

Other than that you'd better not grab it, because when you're facing hordes of fireball enemies, you'll end up dodging into the projectiles instead of away from them.

There was a map in doom 2 in spain only that was evil with that powerup. The map put you in a circular room that reveals a cybie once you grab a mandatory invisibility.

And the powerup is there exactly to make you dodge into rockets

[lapis wolf]

Very useful if you play the type of WADs that Decino plays

And Coincident (they play a lot of WADs with a lot of hitscanners lol)

[lapis wolf]

And yeah for the same reasons other people have been saying too

[rotund dew]

Coincident is trying to beat okuplok on UV single segment. Now thats a crazy achievement if he pulls it off

[pearl creek]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f5wREvuUK8w

[celest coyote]

I want Doom to run on my coffin

[strange fog]

Ain’t dying until it’s possible

[fallow canopy]

Is it possible to run Doom inside of Wolfenstein 3D?

[fierce harness]

You already kill demons in Wolfenstein 3d, its practically the same thing

[azure nimbus]

there is a second use aside from hitscan. If you are very far away from projectile enemies, they'll miss by so wide from the blur sphere that it'll actually help. this is particularly useful if you don't have enough room to realistically dodge via movement

wolf3d is...2d. Its walls meet only at right angles. every enemy is hitscan. so no. A lot of the "doom runs on anything" is fake. The full doom2 experience didn't ruin on SNES, PSX, or even N64. So much was cut for space. The pregnancy test was used as a monitor. the computer was a rasperry pi.

[vast reef]

not without code injection ala https://youtu.be/c6hnQ1RKhbo

if you can get a rudimentary cpu and some form of i/o running via a wolf3d map (not familiar enough with wolf3d mapping to know if this is even remotely possible) you might be able to run doom at 243 minutes per tick

i remember this post here: blog.otterstack.com/posts/202212-doom-calculator/

sadly doom is not turing complete even if you can implement logic gates

[azure nimbus]

I don't see a way that wolf can be Turing complete like boom

boom does have logic gates so it's Turing complete via conveyors

[vast reef]

oh wait they updated it

holy shit doom is turinf complete

boom at least

[thick token]

https://youtu.be/ONsgzLKt3vQ

[mint venture]

Hello, can I ask how do I do the nightmare co-op on doom 1993 in the modern patch?

[rotund dew]

If you're facing big hordes in slaughter maps (sunder comes to mind of course but there's more) having hundreds or thousands of monsters spreading projectiles everywhere is the last thing that you want.

You'll need to do monster herding while having the projectiles going in a single direction, so you can create some space for yourself. And with projectiles everywhere, you're shortening that space

[prime lava]

He's stopped attempts indefinitely for now so not sure if we'll see it soon

[azure nimbus]

I'd rather be moving around too. I'm talking specifically when your movement is limited so monster inaccuracy is your best bet

I think it was flotsam map13 that had a partial Invis secret fight.keeping lots of distance was a necessity or the cybers would get ya

[bright falcon]

anyone wanna co op

[peak trout]

tl;dw: Partial Invisibility adds a random offset to ranged enemy attacks.

[gentle compass]

Yea, invis can def make cyberdemon fights spicier

[median cloud]

make it more challenging

wonder if theres a level that exploits this concept

[gentle compass]

There definitely are

[celest coyote]

Plenty

Poogers has levels that take advantage of that

[gentle compass]

I played one recently where an encounter gave you partial invis in a room full of projectile mobs

Think fast!!!

[gentle compass]

Yea I still gotta play through that

[celest coyote]

The best is having partial invis when you walk into a teleporter into a room full of chaingunners

[gentle compass]

Junk Food has a couple I think

[celest coyote]

Think Hell Revealed 2 had a lowering floor into chaingunners with a partial invis in Mind Trap

Boy does it suck when a chaingunner lands every shot in a second window, so much health lost so quick

[gentle compass]

They are Mean Boys

[split smelt]

Hi

[split smelt]

Scythe map 27

[celest coyote]

One of the most infamous examples

[bright falcon]

bro how r u

[finite crag]

@vale gyro
Hey, you. You recommended this source port to me so I'll bother you over it. Can I load custom soundfonts with Woof / Nugget? How do I do that?

[vale gyro]

Yes. I’ll check when I get home, just got out of school a minute ago.

I personally use VMS but you can add sound fonts to the soundfonts folder

[finite crag]

With GZ you can just drag and drop into the soundfonts folder. Is that the same here?

[vale gyro]

If you use a launcher, the folder must be in the same directory as the launcher’s executable

[vale gyro]

Yeah

[finite crag]

Cool, alright.

[vale gyro]

Just an FYI Fluidsynth is REALLY quiet

Better to use Virtual MIDI Synth

Also, bother me as much as you need to, Mono.

[harsh herald]

I literally recently wanted to revise some doom lore and then I clicked on your profile. Kudos to you for making this guide o7!!!

[finite crag]

No problem, glad I can help.

[finite crag]

Well, I found an SC-55 soundfont so I wanted to use that.

I can just crank up the music slider for the Fluidsynth shit.

[vale gyro]

You can, but even at 15 it’s still quiet quiet in my experience

15’s the max it’ll go, by the way

[split smelt]

Gud

[lapis wolf]

I hope they reupload the certain DBP stuff that they taken down. But it probably won't happen since mods seem dead now

(On KEX of course)

[lapis oak]

i just beat doom one for the first time

[vale gyro]

W

[lapis wolf]

Episode 1 is great and Episode 4 is cool too

[split smelt]

Am i the only doom masochist here?

Im playing abandon

[halcyon willow]

abandon is good

[split smelt]

Im at map 05 and its freaking hard

[thick token]

wanna hear true masochist? the guy who beat nuts.wad

without any cheats (i think it was tas tho)

[thick token]

ironic but goated pfp

[iron quail]

if it was tas then noone did i guess

[thick token]

fair

[split smelt]

One time i almost did 100% on nuts 2

I think i wad at 96% or so idk

[halcyon willow]

that's not masochism, that's willingness to put up with extreme boredom lol

[iron quail]

e3m6 : (

for once a map in doom 1 i just don't like to play

[round spindle]

I am new

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-25164052

[amber herald]

Caco beatbox

[round spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/pain-elemental-pain-genshin-impact-meme-gif-gif-20519562

[azure nimbus]

POV: you don't know what POV means

[round spindle]

HAHA

I like the doom movie

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom2-spider-mastermind-spider-mastermind-gif-22047033

think of doom on the wii

[iron quail]

Would be fun

Wii is fun, doom is fun

[round spindle]

YEA I GONNA GO PLAY DOOM+DOOM 2

[round spindle]

[vale gyro]

y'all got any good, short, and not exactly hard maps?

[azure nimbus]

afternoon, cold steel, starlight dynamics

[vale gyro]

aight

[azure nimbus]

afternoon has one tough map towards the end. otherwise it feels speedmappy. cld stl is mostly atmospheric with lots of secrets

starlight is honestly just chill sci fi techbase gameplay but few secrets

I also played bluewad.wad recently. It's a kid's first map and shows in places. But it really shows promise

[red harbor]

Remember kids, Ultra Violence or you aren't playing Doom

[amber herald]

Nah, nightmare damageless

Pistol only, hands tied on the back, blindfolded

[wanton cave]

Remember kids every difficulty is valid

[median trellis]

anyone here like plutonia more than Doom 1 and 2?

[mint oasis]

Hey classic what is a good layout for mapping a xbox controller to doom

I have a xbox series x controller

[median trellis]

make interact A

[mint oasis]

I'm using delta touch

[split smelt]

What if its like really really hard

[median trellis]

for the d-pad, up for shotgun/super shotgun, right for chaingun, down for rocket launcher, and left for bfg/plasma rifle

[red harbor]

Ngl Ultra Violence isn't even that bad

Nightmare is the really really hard one

[mint oasis]

I'm trying to make it similar to modern day fps

[split smelt]

No sound + stroller

[median trellis]

I see

[mint oasis]

Yeah I have a trigger for shooting

And using right stick for looking and left stick for movings

[median trellis]

right

[mint oasis]

Yea bc it make it more comfortable to play doom on a controller

[median trellis]

what's your interact input?

[mint oasis]

I'm using a xbox series x controller hook up to my phone via Bluetooth

[median trellis]

I mean what button do you use to flip switches and open doors

[median trellis]

how much input lag is there?

[mint oasis]

It has Bluetooth 5.3

My phone does

I can hook it up to my phone through usb c but I don't like that

[median trellis]

gotcha

[split smelt]

Any classic doom hot takes?

Mine is that i dont like alien vendetta gameplay’s

[median trellis]

most of doom 2 blows ass

[split smelt]

But the maps were real pretty for the time

[median trellis]

Alien Vendetta is goated

[wanton cave]

Doom 1 isnt that good after episode 1

[amber herald]

Doom 2 gives me a very specific vibe compared to 1

[median trellis]

AV map 20 is the best doom map ever

[split smelt]

One of the top 5

[median trellis]

no question

the author died in 2012 😦

[split smelt]

[amber herald]

My favorite doom 2 map is map 14

[median trellis]

great choice

[split smelt]

My favorite in doom 2 is the living end map 29

Yes i know im wierd in what i like and what i dont

[median trellis]

mine is the spirit world map 28

maybe monster condo map 27

[amber herald]

Every playtrough i do, i get so happy when i reach stage 14

[median trellis]

I also fuck with refueling base

I love how packed it is

it was allegedly supposed to be in Doom 1 but they scrapped it and repurposed it for Doom 2

[split smelt]

If the map had 7 less pain elementals it would be my favorite probably

[amber herald]

Interesting

[amber herald]

XD

[split smelt]

For info there is 7 pain elementals on uv

[amber herald]

I think there are only 3 on hurt me plenty

[median trellis]

@split smelt do you make wads?

[split smelt]

Nope

I absolutely admire what mappers can do but i cant even make a door lol

[median trellis]

doom is the easiest game to make fps maps for

[split smelt]

Wolf 3d*

[median trellis]

especially bc there's no floor on top of floor

[median trellis]

sure

[split smelt]

The only kind of map i could actually do is some moch 2 kind of stuff lol

[median trellis]

lol

most intricate maps ever

[split smelt]

I mean some sh*tpost maps

[median trellis]

I made a few single level wads and a 3 level wad

I found a doom wiki page for one of them today 🙂

[split smelt]

Yay

Do people still go in the fandom wiki for doom?

I sure dont

[median trellis]

the fandom is different

doomwiki.org is much better

the fandom is shit

just fwi

[split smelt]

Fandom is just ads

[azure nimbus]

I use Y shotgun, B chain, A rocket, X plasma, RB BFG, LB melee, LT strafe(this is empty on DOOM + DOOM2 since there's no strafe key). I have thee view and menu buttons for map and bringing up the menu. RT is fire of course. Right stick use and left stick pistol.

For boom and up, it's possible to map the shotgun and ssg as well as the chainsaw and fist seperately. I have another input profile that I've been trying recently using up and down on the dpad for the sg and chainsaw.

[azure nimbus]

the layout of an xbox1 controller makes the face buttons(ABXY) far more accessible than the dpad.

[mint oasis]

But I want to have a more modern fps control

[azure nimbus]

what do you mean

doom has no jump, reload, aim-down-sight, crouch

[mint oasis]

I use gzdoom

And gzdoom has frelook

[azure nimbus]

that really doesn't change since we're using right stick for aiming regardless

[mint oasis]

And jump

[azure nimbus]

It's really up to you. throwing movement on face and swaps on dpad does work

[mint oasis]

Yeah it's whatever Is comfortable for me

[azure nimbus]

saving GZ for specific gz mods and keeping to more vanilla gameplay for vanilla maps would hypothetically save you the trouble of fitting an extra several keys on an xb1 controller

(or even just playing gz without jumping and crouching

[mint oasis]

Gzdoom still gives me a vanilla doom but gives me qol improvement

Like wide-screen auto running

Jump crouch

[azure nimbus]

every easily accessible port is going to have wide screen and auto run

if you're a big croucher, yeah your options are somewhat more limited. But if you're here for widescreen, pick basically any port. If you want auto run, every version of doom has had that available that I've ever seen -- even the original dos release(you can change config file to have joyb_speed 29 which sets autorun to be enabled)

[lapis wolf]

Doom II isn't anymore inconsistent than 1993 is, the only consistent part of 1993 was Episode 1, and Tom Hall's maps in 1993 are way worse than most of Sandy's maps from DOOM II.

Also the only maps as bad as people say they are, are only just Downtown, The Citadel, and The Chasm.

There were many good to even amazing maps during the second half of DOOM II if you exclude those mentioned maps

DOOM 64 is the best and most consistent commercial Classic DOOM release by far if you don't count WADs/modding scenes.

[azure nimbus]

The Citadel's teleporter room aligns with where it takes you. Like the northwest teleporter takes you to the northwest portion of the citadel

anti-downtown propaganda is just that

[lapis wolf]

In fact I would say that DOOM II is actually more consistent than the original DOOM game.

Episode 2 sucked and Episode 3 was just mid

Episode 4 was cool though.... and even though Episode 1 is great, it gets extremely samey, and gets stale and tedious by the second half of E1

Due to lack of SSG, lack of monster types and monster counts, and very samey levels.

DOOM II is a significantly more creative and interesting game, with significantly higher highs than 1993, and even the worst levels of D2 had some things really cool and interesting about them.

Meanwhile the weakest levels of 1993? Didn't really have much to redeem them nor much creativity.

[lapis wolf]

Yes even Downtown has some things really cool about it. Especially the abstract city traversals and building transformations.

[lapis wolf]

Ok?

[azure nimbus]

the most common complaint for the citadel is that it's confusing. But it's designed in a way where the TP geometry reflects its destination. it's not just memory

[lapis wolf]

Interesting. Tbh I don't even think Citadel is necessarily bad, just doesn't live up to other D2 levels.

Citadel is still better than most of E2 and E3 from 1993 tbh

[twin mortar]

People dislike and struggle with Citadel?

This is news to me, I always really liked that level

[lapis wolf]

I'd say it's just okay. But has some cool moments

Also Factory is straight up fucking awesome, but apparently people hate that level

[azure nimbus]

all levels with 100 monsters are factory references

[lapis wolf]

Here's a big one.

I feel like a lot of people who say DOOM II is worse than 1993 because DOOM II has "poor and very inconsistent level design compared to 1993" are just parroting from DOOM YouTubers or something

As I said earlier, DOOM II isn't anymore inconsistent than 1993, and 1993 isn't anywhere near as consistent as a lot of the common sentiment says

[lapis wolf]

Keywords: "a lot", not saying everyone with that opinion is like that.

[lapis wolf]

Beautiful gorgeous level. Though The Spirit World is my GOAT

[lapis wolf]

Yoo based

[azure nimbus]

idk, episodes 1 and 2 are super consistent in terms of "you will be playing a tech base". For doom2, it gets experimental as early as map06. Even map07 is funky. map08, 09 are funky too. 11 is balanced around some weird O shape. 12, 13 are open maps where you can do stuff in a lot of orders. 14 is combat only with an untagged secret(the first no-secret map if I remember right). 20 has a bunch of stuff through lava too.

That creativity and experimental design is cool, but it's also what people are referring to with regards to consistency

[lapis wolf]

E2 got a lot of criticism for its use of weirdness I'd say. Especially box maze level.

People who worship 1993 forget that

[finite crag]

I dunno, i like DOOM II more because there is super shotgun.

[azure nimbus]

the crate maze is really not that mazy. It's more like two squares of crates.

[feral temple]

who is the psychotic who have made Titan Manor?

[azure nimbus]

But ultimately, ya like whatever maps ya like and they're all playable in there. At the end of the day, doom2 is used for custom mapping because it has more monsters and the ssg(also megaspheres)

[azure nimbus]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/MAP01:_Titan_Manor_(Master_Levels)#:~:text=Titan Manor is a map,contained in the file MANOR.

[lapis wolf]

More creative and engine pushing, better monster roster, higher monster count, higher variety, plus the Super Shotgun

[lapis wolf]

Getting 100% secrets is quite mazey and cryptic and tedious on it, even to Decino haha

[azure nimbus]

am I misremembering or there's only one secret in the maze

[lapis wolf]

And yeah DII is more cryptic in many ways, but it's crypticness is more creative and interesting

[azure nimbus]

and it's against a wall near a doorway and a simple click so pretty straightforwad

[lapis wolf]

I'm talking about the whole level, not specifically the box part

[azure nimbus]

oh yeah it is a lot

I always forget the yellow door area and chaingun

[twin mortar]

I need to do a 100% secrets run of DOOM 1993 sometime

I can blast through the game in an hour but never got all secrets

All humanly possible ones anyway

[lapis wolf]

I have to go for 100% secrets, it always feels incomplete when I don't

Though on Custom WADs, mostly ones I'm not super familiar with, I'll usually beat with minimal secrets

[azure nimbus]

don't underestimate the power of cheating opening the map in an editor

[feral temple]

I was already on it and it took me 99 minutes to finish

[median cloud]

I agree. Doom 1's episode 1 is magnificent but episode 2 drops the ball a bit and episode 3 is just bad.

I actually think the chasm is a good map if you're somewhat decent at movement in the game, downtown was also alright. The citadel I dislike because of the red brick section being a secret.

Episode 2 map 5 is horrible and the secret level is also terrible. I do have a newfound appreciation for E2M6.
E2M4 has too many barons which are tedious to kill

E2M3 is also just plain horrible

Rest of episode 2 is pretty good with personal highlights being E2M2 and E2M6 for me

Episode 3 I like E3M3 and E3M4 the rest are pretty shit imo

Mt Erebus (E3M6) is okay

[azure nimbus]

what's to dislike about e2m9? Borderline necessary map to teach infighting

[median cloud]

I don't think you really need to be handheld into teaching infighting

Nor would it be wise to put a map to teach you things in a secret spot.....

Or are you being sarcastic? 😄

[azure nimbus]

It makes a lot of sense to put it where it is

Infighting is broadly not a necessary skill for the base maps but is a useful feature and a cool one to see. while a lot of people learning about doom nowadays might have already watched a million decino videos and have the source code memorized by the time they're on the second episode, that just wan't the case then and frankly, isn't now. Play a coop match of e2m9 on doom1 + doom2 and watch everyone try plasmaing the barons and die over and over. yeah, being made to use infighting is important. It's also not handholding. There is no tutorial text or explicit instructions

it's the opposite of handholding. ya just fail if you don't figure it out then on your own, discover a solution

secrets are great places to teach players advanced skills

Not only that, but this is the first episode where infighting is realistic. In maps with huuuge swaths of hitscanners, sometimes you can get them to all domino and kill each other. But, on smaller maps like e1, you're shooting. But e2 has barons and cacos who have enough health(worth infighting), width(realistic for infighting projectiles to hit), and aren't too aggressive (easy enough to dance around as you manipulate them into hitting each other). e2 is a great time to learn infighting. While you might have noticed infighting before, it likely wasn't some calculated strategy as it has to be here

[median cloud]

I know the point of the map was to demonstrate infighting but I dont think that gimmick alone makes it a good map

I guess I can appreciate the map for what it teaches the players

[azure nimbus]

Different maps are there to serve different roles

The m8's are bosses. The m9's have gimmicks. Custom wads often have a credits or thankyou map. Does that alone make it a good map? Kinda? It does what it needs to do. Each level has a different job

[drowsy lichen]

beat the original first 3 episodes for the first time and moved on to doom 2, without realizing i didn't have final doom & therefore didn't play episode 4. should i play doom 2 or ep 4 first?

[median cloud]

What are the gimmicks in e1m9 and e4m9?

[median cloud]

Final Doom is the one with Plutonia/TNT. Ultimate Doom is the one with Episode 4
Episode 4 is way harder than E1-E3 and probably even harder than Doom 2 as a whole, difficulty wise you can start with Doom 2
Though going back from the enhanced monster roster and the SSG to Doom 1 gameplay might be boring and dull, so that's why I always do E4 before I move on to Doom 2

But I also don't really play any Doom 1 WADs

[twin mortar]

Well isn't E1M9's whole thing just backtracking

[median cloud]

Hardly a gimmick when E1M7 has that as well

[drowsy lichen]

my bad got the names wrong lol, thank you though

[twin mortar]

I guess that's right

[mint oasis]

How can I get voxel doom working on gzdoom

[sick mist]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/doom-voxel-project/addons/voxel-doom

[mint oasis]

Voxel doom look neat

[sick mist]

yeah, i really like it!

[mint oasis]

Well it work on delta touch

[sick mist]

uhm, im not sure, just test it out i guess?

[twin mortar]

Reddit says yes

[sick mist]

As for gzdoom:

[mint oasis]

I have GZ doom on delta touch and it has a mod folder

[sick mist]

i never used delta touch, sorry matey

[mint oasis]

It's ok Like it's the only way for me to use source ports on my phone

For the text file for the mod folder for delta touch it said
PUT YOUR MODS (.PK3 ETC) FILES ETC HERE.TXT

[mint oasis]

@twin mortar

[twin mortar]

I don't know how to use GZDoom and especially not Delta Touch, can't help you mate. Soz

[mint oasis]

Sorry

[lapis wolf]

Chasm has a lot of great encounters and secrets I'd say.

Also people diss the city maps, yet Map 15 and 16 are straight up phenomenal

[lapis wolf]

I'd say E2M1 is my favorite part of Episode 2.

I Sawed the Demons goes hard

[round spindle]

E4M1

YEA

DOOM

[split smelt]

Absolutely

[median cloud]

Yeah I like that track as well, but I can't really give the best map to a level 1 map slot 😄

favorite map for me per episode is probably E1M3, E2M6, E3M4 and E4M6

[median cloud]

Does anyone here know some good, truly oldschool wads?

[finite crag]

Do you mean in terms of when it released or what style it's going for?

My favorite WAD is Going Down, it is very vanilla and really fun.

[median cloud]

release date, preferably pre-2000

[vast reef]

yeah

[mint oasis]

How can I get it working

[azure nimbus]

round? deathmatch maps? tbh I think those are just DM maps that were thrown in

[vast reef]

like any other mod

[mint oasis]

So do I place the unzip folder into the mod's folder

[vast reef]

you put the pk3 in ur folder

[mint oasis]

I wanna use the voxel mod

[vast reef]

oh

i forgot it comes in a zip

just put the zip in your folder

[mint oasis]

Don't unzip

Just drag and drop into to the mod folder

@vast reef

[vast reef]

yes

[mint oasis]

Alright

[vast reef]

should work

[mint oasis]

Thanks

Because I only have my phone and delta touch is the only way I can play those source ports

How can I?
Tell if I got it working

[mint oasis]

Question is there a mod for doom that can allow you to have retro achievements

[livid cedar]

Hi all. Another question too - can anyone help find one old doom 2 mod. Around 2000 - 2005 maybe, it adds fully 3d Doomguy model like the one in Quake 3 Arena, also i remember there are mirrors or reflections (one of the first implemented in doom) and also there were quake 3 weapons (fully 3d too) and demons with teleporting pentagram on the floor with fire effects

[lapis wolf]

I suppose Memento Mori 2 is pretty good, especially for 1996

[split smelt]

H*ll revealed

I wait i did not see good

[median trellis]

heck revealed

[split smelt]

H*ck

I have played too much wads idk what wad to play

[median trellis]

sunder

UV no saves pistol start

[split smelt]

Nah i need saves

Im at map 11 of sunder because i already played up to it

Or 12 idk its the one called the furnace

[median trellis]

that's the best map in the 2009 version

[rotund dew]

don't forget the factory or nirvana, especially the latter

[azure nimbus]

factory is good. nirvana is good

[rotund dew]

don't like either, to be honest

but on the other hand, I like the chasm and a lot of people loathe that map

[rotund dew]

that's my favorite so far from that wad. lots of slaughter but without feeling too overwhelming like some of new sunder's fights

[median cloud]

I want another pack to play on chocolate doom haha

Even tho it is hard

[fathom atlas]

circle strafing

is it wrong to circle strafe diagonally instead of just pressing on the side?

it feels ultra weird trying to just simply strafe since i cant see where im going and ill bump into some enemies

been trying to practice this with the big circle room in the pit on uv

[rotund dew]

there's no wrong, you play the way that fits your style the most.

[fathom atlas]

got it, any tips for refueling base? been getting my ass kicked on that one

also are the later half of the games any harder than this?

aside from barrels o fun

also whenever i come out of cover im aiming at nothing, how do i get better at this?

[lapis wolf]

Factory is awesome.

Nirvana is okay, but it's so ridiculously short that I don't really understand why people hate it as much as they do

[rotund dew]

nirvana is rushed mapping. you can tell by how inconsistent, short and bland it is

also I don't like downtown for the amount of backtracking into the building with a huge arrow in the ground

also, what was sandy thinking on barrels o'fun when he thought it was a good idea not to provide the player with an ssg (on pistol start)

[wanton cave]

That map is anything but fun

[mint oasis]

Hey question Is it possible for there to be a retro achievement mod

For classic doom

[azure nimbus]

use the bfg and grab it early. There are lots of cells in the room with all the UAC things and then the TP to the cyber/invulns to fuel your bfg rampage

oops meant to respond to @fathom atlas. you'll get better at preicting the AI as you go

[median cloud]

Yeah it’s a filler map but short and fun imo

[celest coyote]

That be map 11

If you can do map 19 saveless, you are a doom god without question

16 gets you your jr.license

[amber herald]

Doing it on hurt me plenty counts?

[celest coyote]

hell no

[amber herald]

XD

[wanton cave]

Yes

[median goblet]

ay, i need some help with brutal doom

I can launch GZdoom only half of the time I try (for some reason there are two GZdooms, and only one of them can launch If it decides to), but If I try to launch it with brutal doom it would just crash everytime before it even opens

[cyan sierra]

can i agree the fact that revenant scream is the most goofy yet scary thing on doom?

[wanton cave]

Its a scream of fear

[amber herald]

Then a missile hits you in the face

[cyan sierra]

and then he punch you

[amber herald]

Ouchie

[wanton cave]

You must mean his older brother
Archie

[amber herald]

I may be dyslexic

[lapis wolf]

DOOM II Revenants look and sound really goofy as hell, but somehow cool and intimidating at the same time.

Not sure how they pulled it off

[cyan sierra]

id software are very talented back then

[wanton cave]

They dont get along at family reunions

[lapis wolf]

2016 Revenants are very intimidating, but lost their goofiness.

Eternal Revenants are just goofy, but lost their charm and intimidation

[wanton cave]

Both are pains in my ass at times

[cyan sierra]

yeah agree tbh doom 2 revenants is prefect

[twin mortar]

I was always fond of the DOOM 3 one

[lapis wolf]

The DBP64: The Vast Silence Revenants are amazing.

I love those D64 style Revenants.

[lapis wolf]

DOOM II Wad btw

[lapis wolf]

Yeah they're very goofy and cool at the same time as well

[lapis wolf]

Especially to fight. DOOM II Revenants are some of my favorite enemies in any FPS.

Yeah, they can be obnoxious, but they're really interesting and unique to fight at the same time and teach you a lot of classic DOOM skills.

[amber herald]

Indeed

I feel awesome when i dodge a homing missile while fighting other demons

[lapis wolf]

I like forcing their missiles to hit other demons and then they have a huge infighting fest.

Also I love stun locking and shitting on groups of Revenants with BFG or Plasma Gun

Also apparently it's a hottake but I love the way the classic Plasma Rifle sounds.

Though some of the mods/WADs do admittedly give it better sounds.

[lapis wolf]

Also it's very helpful against Cyberdemons to lead their missiles into them.

[azure nimbus]

There's a reason that revs and cybers, throughout every mapset I've played, never get a sprite change (well beyond sometmes the red wiring on cybers is changed to another palette appropriate color)

imps, zombies, pinkies -- they get sprite changes all the time. Mancs? It's almost a coin flip if they get that whitish brown sprite with the chain. Viles, revs, cybers? 1000s of mapsets and no change

[amber herald]

Dont need to change perfection

[lapis wolf]

I sometimes see them change, and they're usually very cool changes but not nearly as often as other demons

[lapis wolf]

Tbf I think every Revenant design is kinda perfect, except for Eternal's. Not too big on that one.

But DOOM II Revenants are easily the most fun and interesting to fight and for encounters

[azure nimbus]

Most monsters are easily recognizeable whether at a distance, buried within a crowd or in invulnerability monochrome: except the hell knight. TKs are identical to barons in monochrome and have a similar primary color compared to viles

[dense mirage]

Who got doom + doom 2??

I’m trying to get 16 people in a lobby on doom co op and cause chaos if anyone is interested dm me

[azure nimbus]

Playing a little bit of "too many player coop" on doom + doom2 has made me understand why doom originally had only 4p coop

[cerulean delta]

I picked up The Sky May Be recently and I have no idea how this stuff was accomplished with DeHackEd. The Doom 2 version of the Blessed Engine is even crazier, I’d love to see a proper follow up to The Sky May Be

How did they accomplish the Great God Imp? Does it just have a massive number of hit points? Or did the map designer trigger a ghost glitch to make the imp invincible and clip through walls?

[azure nimbus]

it's not a ghost. It might just have no "damageable" flag and no collision flag. If it was a ghost, it'd still take damage from explosions

It does push dehacked really far. I mean mbf21 is used nowadays to make some really wacky monsters and unique infighting rules even. But this was standard dehacked in 1997

[cerulean delta]

Apparently it has no hitboxes at all, and I love that it only works well in DOSbox or Chocolate Doom

So many of the glitches it exploits have long since been patched out of the game, like there’s a door that will crash the game on vanilla doom if you open it because it opens to a room with an untextured floor

[azure nimbus]

just reading the wiki page a bit, the BFG inconsistency uses an integer overflow

[hexed escarp]

What would you guys say are your top 5 favorite wads

[cerulean delta]

The BFG deals 2 billion damage. The Doom 2 version also includes a Hell Knight replacement called the Eraser, which rapid fires projectiles dealing 80 million damage. That’s enough to kill you in god mode.

Additionally there’s an arachnotron replacement that looks like a pink demon. It shoots arachnotron projectiles which are actually chaingunners, and they can be killed.

[azure nimbus]

my understanding based on reading through some parts of the source code is that projectiles and monsters are fundamentally the same type of object

which is part of why lost souls can work

[hexed escarp]

Yeah they are all mobjs

[azure nimbus]

Lamps are light imps

[hexed escarp]

If it has the MISSILE flag, it is a projectile

If it has the SHOOTABLE flag, it is able to take damage

And it’s “enemy-ness” is just created by the states calling various functions like A_look to wake up, A_chase to move around and other functions to attack

[azure nimbus]

Are these changeable via dehacked or would you have to take an already non-shootable object and donate it some other states to become an enemy

[hexed escarp]

Decorations, projectiles, enemies, and pickups are all mobjs

[hexed escarp]

Yeah all of this is changeable in dehacked

By just changing the thing flags and states

[azure nimbus]

weird how blast damage resistance traditionally isn't though

[hexed escarp]

Oh yeah there’s a bunch of shit that is hardcoded to specific thing slots because idjank

But mbf21 adds new flags that lets you change that stuff

[azure nimbus]

I think it's because mobj's are so modular that it's very limiting what can be changed. They have some set list of of flags and states and those can be shifted. Then after much of the coding was made, they realized that they wanted on-death flags for bosses. Making that modular like everything else would require changing the base monster setup and giving every single mobj a flag or not. But hardcoding it saved time at that late in dev. Least that's my guess

[hexed escarp]

Nah it was just because they didn’t have to do it

Not because they couldn’t

[azure nimbus]

they did that for revs. coding a height as a parameter would require choosing a height for EVERY projectile. So instead carmack makes revs themselves gain height for a tic as they fire the missile

[hexed escarp]

Since they were trying to make the game as optimal as possible, for specific things like this, it just made the most sense to hardcode it

[azure nimbus]

even though we all think of doom as super moddable, I've heard that Quake was desiged more with modding in mind so has less weird cases like this.

[hexed escarp]

For things that are gonna be different for EVERY SINGLE THING, like dimensions, speed, health, properties, stuff like that, it makes sense to create variable settings for that

[azure nimbus]

yeah exactly

[hexed escarp]

But for things where it’s just “yes or no” and it’s only gonna be yes for a couple things, it was simpler to just hardcode it

[azure nimbus]

(meanwhile every monster has the same 8 tic wakeup time but that's on them

def reasonable

[hexed escarp]

Definitely a pain for modders tho

But that’s why mbf21 exists

[azure nimbus]

Playing Quinary conundrum and the BFG is the same fundamentally but is more powerful. Small stuff like that(I think) is only possible on mbf

[hexed escarp]

What do you mean by “more powerful”

[azure nimbus]

and the "bullet" weapons shoot projectiles

I mean it does more damage. Is it because more tracers or because more damage per tracer? idk

[hexed escarp]

You can’t change any of that in mbf21

It didn’t add a way to do custom bfg attacks

Maybe it calls the tracer function twice or something

So it fires double the tracers

[azure nimbus]

I'll try testing on a cyber for 1taps

[mint oasis]

Hey I got a question is the a way to get retro achievement working for classic doom

[median cloud]

Wdym? I think all achievements can only be achieved in the kex engine and not the dos one

Btw does anyone here use the new port to play custom wads or do most ppl still use community made ports

[twin mortar]

The guy means a site called Retro Achievements which gives made up achievements for games without them

[median cloud]

Ah wow never heard of it. Can you integrate it into the applications or is it more manual

[twin mortar]

I'm pretty sure it's just a checklist you yourself have to check off

[azure nimbus]

as far as I can tell, most people who already played custom stuff still are on their port of choice. There are a couple people who switched over however (and have been complaining of the port only working about half the time when it comes to custom stuff)

[azure nimbus]

checking the retro achievements site, there's not even anything listed. Let alone something to "work"

[stone stone]

KB5041587

Has anyone tried this with the official port of nutswad?

[mint oasis]

@azure nimbus I try voxel doom it's amazing

[azure nimbus]

if you're into that sort of thing great

[mint oasis]

Yeah it still maintained the vanilla look

[azure nimbus]

Not sure if I'd even notice voxels, theoretically, when maintaining locked vertical camera

[mint oasis]

Yeah

[azure nimbus]

I guess I would since there are so few rotational sprites

[lunar rune]

To me voxels are really jarring, so I constantly notice them

[wanton hemlock]

Nugg's explosive hitscan is stupid fun lmao

Gibbing w/ the SSG

Gibbing with the pistol

[wanton cave]

Opinions on the remixed soundtrack in the new ports?

[remote cedar]

a banger

but they bring real changes to the atmosphere especially for Doom II

some of which I disagree with

[little oar]

Bangers
Though I wish they went the tiny extra mile and remixed the new music that was in evilution as well

Or, since they aren't opposed to adding fan content into official releases now, add that fanmade plutonia ost (and maybe even get Andrew to cover it as well)