classic-doom

[median cloud]

The citadel is my least favorite map in Doom 2 so I agree with this take. (Might even be my least favorite doom map from the official levels)

[rustic ruin]

Beat Shores of Hell today

[celest coyote]

It really comes down to first time experiences. But once you learn the levels, Doom 2 is a lot of fun to play through, especially with gameplay mods.

Just don’t try to argue that Doom 2 levels all try to look realistic because idk where Nirvana takes place on Earth

[twin mortar]

Nirvana is the literal first Hell level

[celest coyote]

You could argue that Map 20 onward are like corrupted parts of Earth being distorted by Hell, but still…the layouts and locales are strange

[celest coyote]

Yee, still goofy tho 😛

[twin mortar]

Demons could just have different architectural standards than us, dunno

[celest coyote]

Different is one way to describe that opening room

But totally valid point

[median cloud]

I like Nirvana

Short and easy

Im also one of the psychos that likes countdown to death

As long as it doesnt play for too long

[celest coyote]

Tons of the doom songs are great when not overplayed

After playing so many wads, listening to D_Runnin is burned into my mind

[median cloud]

Hahaha its my least fav track in doom 2 as well probably because Ive heard it so much

I take that back my least favorite Doom 2 track is probably the one in the spirit world

Or the wolf tracks

[solemn summit]

What about gotcha?

Its literally nothing but some bass lines and drums

[median cloud]

Nah I like gotcha

But Im just more a fan of simple osts

I highly dislike osts that sound grand

[lunar rune]

Hey don't diss Message for the Archvile, that guitar solo bangs

[merry nacelle]

wtf are these

[finite crag]

Keycards 👍

[azure nimbus]

you might be playing with -nodraw enabled 👍

[agile lichen]

i've used small arms fire and can't play hadley's hope :/

what's next?

i have tc2014 btw)

[vast reef]

tbh i think nirvana is overplayed

they're amazing but there are tons of other bands of the same caliber

but nirvana did something special i guess, considering their sheer influence

[median cloud]

Im talking about doom 2 map 21 not the band

[vast reef]

in my heart you are talking about the band

[storm tapir]

I never really got the hate Nirvana has, it s a very short map after all lol

And it is much better than the stupid map around it with chaingunners in middle of nukage

[twin mortar]

Classic DOOM refers to a category of games, you should specify which one

"Talk about all the DOOM Classics which changed the FPS genre forever!"

Classic DOOM is used to refer to DOOM 1993 through Final DOOM, sometimes DOOM 64 but not always

[cursive cipher]

Wait, does AA not change the intermissions or do I have something messed up?
(Or is the AA map 11 intermission just heavily based on the vanilla one?)

[vale gyro]

probably some maps that the add-ons don’t have

[median cloud]

goddamn I struggled so much with Plutonia Map 12 Speed

No idea but this was probably the hardest plut map for me

[twin mortar]

(Sorry that I keep correcting you, it's not a personal thing or anything, I'm just active here a lot)
Cam means Map 12, called Speed, in the Plutonia Experiment campaign, half of Final DOOM

[median cloud]

Plutonia map 12, I struggled a ton with

[craggy hemlock]

I still haven't ever beat Plutonia and at some point I am going to have to face that

[twin mortar]

I'm still not past TNT

[craggy hemlock]

I have played more TNT than Plutonia, but I don't think I ever finished that either

At this point I feel like I have built Plutonia up in my head as this impossible thing

But it can't be harder than anything in SIGIL II, and I've survived that

[median cloud]

I havent finished sigil 2 at all, but the first map of sigil 2 was quite hard imo

[craggy hemlock]

It took me so long just to get out of the first initial area

It is so comically hard on UV

I think it is close to my favorite DOOM episode (although unofficial) but SIGIL was like... mind-blowing to me

Turns out John Romero can make good levels, who knew?

[median cloud]

DId you pistol start SIgil or play it as a campaign?

[craggy hemlock]

I played it as a campaign. I don't pistol start in general

[median cloud]

Thats fair I think you can manage plutonia honestly

I guess it can be a bit tougher than Sigil 2 but it should be relative

Though I mostly talk from a pistol starting experience

[craggy hemlock]

Yeah I mean Sigil 2 doesn't have chaingunners or archviles so

It's a little easier

[median cloud]

also no supershotgun tho :p

[craggy hemlock]

True!

[hexed escarp]

beyond the add-ons that come with the official enhanced version of the game that you get on steam or consoles, there is a massive amount of custom levels that have been created by the community that are playable on modified versions of the game engine also created by the community

[twin mortar]

*They're also playable on the Unity port

[hexed escarp]

really???

[twin mortar]

Not ALL of them

[hexed escarp]

you can load your own wad files?

[twin mortar]

"Whatsup all you doomers out there! Recently i've found out that you can play your own WAD'S on Unity Port.
To activate them, you need to paste the WAD file into C:\Users<name>\Saved Games\id Software\DOOM 2\WADs (or to DOOM Classic if the WAD is for Ultimate Doom)
NOTE: ONLY MEGAWADS WILL WORK"
Source: Doomworld.com

[hexed escarp]

oh interesting

good to know

tbh you will have a better experience playing on a community source port tho

[twin mortar]

That's debatable

[hexed escarp]

my personal favorite is woof but I know a favorite of many is GZdoom

[twin mortar]

Actually, not even debatable, it's subjective

[hexed escarp]

fair

also the unity port can only play vanilla and limit removing wads

a majority of community wads these days are for the boom or mbf21 formats

[azure nimbus]

why would you though. It's absolutely not debateable or subjective. The performance is measureably better on other ports with more customization and fewer splash logos at the start

[twin mortar]

You can mod the splash logos out, and sure, but for someone who doesn't use the customization and has an FPS lock it's subjective. I 100% get what you're going for though, and I agree with you

[azure nimbus]

sigil and sigil 2. Otherwise, probably better off running doom2

[azure nimbus]

unity does have auto-sr50 which I guess some people might like

[twin mortar]

SIGIL I is in the add-ons page

[craggy hemlock]

If you are a sicko you can buy the physical editions of SIGIL and SIGIL II

They come with cool stuff and Romero will sign them for you, even

(I regret not shelling out for the big box edition of SIGIL and only getting the smaller one. I am constantly tempted to go back and buy one)

[hexed escarp]

I would recommend trying doom 2 at some point because even though the stock levels are a little bit of a mixed bag, there are so many insanely good custom map sets made for it

the official add-ons contain a few good ones but there are a ton of other insanely good ones you can download off the internet and play with a source port

[craggy hemlock]

DOOM II has a lot of good maps in it and also some not so good ones

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[twin mortar]

DOOM II is the best option to buy as it has more maps, anyway

[craggy hemlock]

Worth playing for the new enemies and super shotgun alone.

[hexed escarp]

definitely

my favorite mapset for Doom 2 is Eviternity

it has very good level design, the levels are beautiful, and the music is amazing

[craggy hemlock]

That was a James Paddock soundtrack wasn't it?

[hexed escarp]

it has some jimmy stuff

[craggy hemlock]

I think he did Eviternity and Eviternity 2

[hexed escarp]

some stuart rynn, some alfonso

it has a big mix of composers

[median cloud]

Eviternity is great

[craggy hemlock]

Although I might be mixing it up with a different one

[hexed escarp]

Eviternity 2's music was an original soundtrack composed by jimmy and a bunch of other people

[median cloud]

I think my 2 favorite pwads are eviternity and tnt revilution

[hexed escarp]

Eviternity 1's music was mostly compiled from already existing midis made by various composers

[median cloud]

I still need to finish eviternity 2

[hexed escarp]

including jimmy

[craggy hemlock]

His SIGIL and SIGIL II soundtracks are so good

[hexed escarp]

yeah definitely

eviternity is my favorite wad soundtrack but sigil is second

[craggy hemlock]

(The Buckethead and Thorr soundtracks are also good but his SIGIL soundtrack got me hooked on him)

[twin mortar]

Unrelated, as I meant to send this earlier; The Unity ports in total have over 1 thousand levels, last time I calculated

[hexed escarp]

thats a lot

i wonder how many the internet has in total lol

[twin mortar]

At least one more

[hexed escarp]

there would be no possible way to count

[twin mortar]

[hexed escarp]

but i feel like it has to approach a million

this youtuber named Davester2296 just finished doing an absolutely excellent cover marathon of the entire plutonia midi pack, and now he is having his community vote on what wad soundtrack to do next, and I eviternity was on there so I voted for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3BY4Sj2mx0

[agile lichen]

NUTS.wad

[vale gyro]

if you have access to a source port, try out Overboard

a source port is (at least in this use case) a community version of the original engine with extra features

at least for Overboard, you'll need a port that can run Boom maps, like DSDA-Doom or Woof

[azure nimbus]

psx is frequently referred to as a port, same for unity or xbox 360, or whatever sega system. Is there a succint term that would only refer to the community ports?

[vale gyro]

I think community ports would be the only thing

well, we could call them pirate-ninjas (I'm sorry for book references)

[median cloud]

The twilight zone (Plutonia map 15) would be way harder if it weren't for the billion secrets in it lol

[lunar rune]

Pretty sure it's just called The Twilight, but it's one of my favourites in the map set, such a blast to play through

[median cloud]

Yeah you're right

[stark plume]

Heya! Does anyone have any good wads that I could use to git gud?

[median cloud]

Plutonia

[stark plume]

That's on my bucket list ^^

Anything besides the original 1 and 2 as well as Plutonia and TnT?

[median cloud]

Depends on what difficulty you're looking for

Are you looking for wads of similar difficulty as plutonia? Harder? Easier?

[twin mortar]

No Rest for the Living

[stark plume]

Anything tough that'll harden me up

[median cloud]

Thats vague 😄

There are a lot of difficulty grades when it comes to Doom WADs

[stark plume]

I guess whatever you can recommend

[median cloud]

Either way I'd advice you to just play Plutonia first above all; if you don't want to try Eviternity. Similar difficulty as Plutonia imo (bit harder)

No Rest For The Living is also great, easier than Plutonia but harder than Doom 2

[stark plume]

Thank you ❤️ @twin mortar @median cloud

[twin mortar]

On UV it can kick your ass HARD

[stark plume]

LOL

I was considering Sunlust as well

[median cloud]

TNT Revilution

[median cloud]

Sunlust is very very hard though, like if Plutonia is a B in difficulty Sunlust is S+

It's like going from kindergarten to a masters degree ur skipping some steps

Ofc you can start with Sunlust or shit if u want to go impossibly hard just play Dimensions/Sunder

but if you haven't even beaten Plutonia yet then I don't really know why you'd bother

[stark plume]

Sorry back

[stark plume]

Adding those to my list ty ^^

[stark plume]

I'd assume this is different from tnt Evilution?

[median cloud]

Yeah it's a different WAD it's about the same difficulty as Plutonia

Just out of curiosity why are you looking for the hardest WADs out there? :p

[stark plume]

Haven't played doom in probably a few years and I've gotten worse

I wanna get better

[median cloud]

Do you have any experience in Doom beyond the classic wads?

Have you played any custom mapsets yet or not really

[stark plume]

Yeah, quite a lot but nothing vanilla

Brutal doom, torment and torture, prodoomer to name a few

[median cloud]

Ah not sure how to gauge the difficulty for those mods

It's a different ballpark altogether

[stark plume]

Exactly

[median cloud]

If you're looking for classic "hard wads" just check out the likes of: Hell Revealed, Alien Vendetta, Scythe 2, Kama Sutra, Plutonia 2

[stark plume]

Ey awesome!

OH is back to saturn X good?

[azure nimbus]

sure. It can be tiring to navigate and some levels do feel similar. But each level individually is high quality

[craggy hemlock]

Both Sigils are good ass-kickers

[median cloud]

Alright I think I finished plutonia uv pistol start now

Just finished up go 2 it; gotta say playing it on chocolate doom does add to the difficulty

you can barely see rockets coming at you before its too late, makes challenging cybers a bit scary

[azure nimbus]

ok this is actually true. Playing doom on low res is just really hard to see. I've thought about whether that's "more legit" in some sense. But I figure that every WAD nowadays is designed with with the higher res in mind. Where older maps were much smaller, both to support the lower resolution and therefore view-range, but also because the engine literally couldn't handle larger maps.

so I play on high res lol

[median cloud]

Oh yeah I do usually as well, I just wanted to experience playing Plutonia when it came out so I used chocolate doom for this

For other pwads, like Eviternity 2, I use dsda-doom

It probably cant even run on choc doom but I mean dsdadoom: uncapped fps 1080p

[azure nimbus]

Uncapped is farther than I go. Partially my machine literally being a laptop, but also I want visual frames to match physics frames

No matter what, the logic will only run every 1/35 s, so having extra graphics frames is only visual interpolation but doesn't exist as far as physics is concerned

[lunar rune]

CChest2, I just recommend watching a guide for Map 24: The Mucus Flow :)

[azure nimbus]

Scythe2, (anything skillsaw), antaresian legacy(or reliquary if you want something shorter), combat shock 2, sunlust is always a classic sequence of increasing difficulty

[storm tapir]

Telling a newbie to start with Scythe2 to improve for difficulty is like throwing a conscript infront of a machinegun, they need easier wads before it

[azure nimbus]

Scythe2 is pretty reasonably a step above plutonia imo

[storm tapir]

Plutonia is like a baby's first map compared to the last chapters in Scythe 2

[vale gyro]

Until like E5. Yet again I've never played Plutonia.

[storm tapir]

it lures people with a couple of easier episodes then says your free trial is over and unleashes hell on you

[vale gyro]

yeah, pretty much

I've shelved Scythe 2 for a bit because of E5 and E6

finished the first map of E6 and decided I needed to stop before I completely abandon the game

[azure nimbus]

one of the reasons that e5 and e6 are so approachable is that scythe2 actually has a difficulty curve

[storm tapir]

More like a difficulty valley

like climbing a step at a time then you have to jump the entire set of stairs to climb up in the last chapters

maybe scythe 1 is easier to play though for someone after plutonia

[vale gyro]

I heard Scythe 1 can get even harder

[storm tapir]

Aside from a certain map that will crush them until they get good

[median cloud]

True but its still easier to dodge projectiles on uncapped fps

[median cloud]

Yeah I tried gauging what difficulty he was looking for but he wanted to do sunlust

Which at that point u might just do scythe 2 etc as well

[astral nexus]

what if sunder was released instead of plutonia back in 1996

[agile lichen]

ight lets say i had a 2 sided Die and it was Aliens vs DOOM. how would i get the Hadley's hope WAD?

[orchid lodge]

Why are you a car?

[stark plume]

Hah alrighty I'll keep it in mind

[stark plume]

Thank you ^^ ❤️

[stark plume]

Sounds fun xD

[eager solstice]

Anyone playing the newest doom wad on the steam port? Tetanus?

[vale gyro]

gonna probably try it out once I'm done with another WAD I'm doing

I got too many I'm doing as is

[eager solstice]

It's really good. Map 5 is a bit of a slog but it's a good challenge

[vale gyro]

ok, Eviternity map10 is now probably my favorite Doom map period

midi was good, map was good, I got to see a Mastermind get bullied

10/10 map

[vale gyro]

trying out map01 right now

lost at the red key and my one gripe with the WAD is that it disables colored blood for some reason

[eager solstice]

Lost like you died or you are lost on what to do next?

[vale gyro]

I finished the level finally

sorry for not updating sooner

I've been also re-trying DSDA-Doom and I'm kinda liking it

the OpenGL renderer has fixed an issue I've had with Woof's software

once I beat some of the maps I'm doing I might honestly switch to it

it's a lot better than what I remember when playing through Sigil 2

gonna miss the menus and save photo Woof has, though

but I've added in colored blood so it's not all so bad

[vale gyro]

also the non-smooth automap

[vale gyro]

welp, found a gripe with DSDA-Doom
the ENDOOM screen being redirected to the terminal instead

makes it near impossible to see when using my launcher

[vale gyro]

Any way to fix the sound cutoff issues in DSDA-Doom? I've already tried turning on "Disable Sound Cutoffs" and that did nothing.

Hearing everything but the music go silent as soon as I pick up anything is bothering me.

[mortal delta]

What is the best weapon in doom 1993?

[celest coyote]

chaingun

but if you have the ammo, plasma rifle is so much fun too

[vale gyro]

Did some testing and this is only an issue in DSDA. Not even PrBoom+ UMAPINFO has this issue.

It's apparently something wrong with my config

ok, it's annoyingly caused when the complevel is set to v1.9, Final Doom, or UDoom

doesn't make sense why it does, tested it with the original executables and they don't have that issue

[vale gyro]

Nugget Doom appears to not really have the issues from Woof, gonna keep using it

I also really like the SSG gibbing and also the extra blood gibbing options it has

[stark plume]

You never know how much you miss the SSG until you play ultimate doom

[median cloud]

Honestly why I never play Ultimate Doom

Shotgunning a baron to death just isn't what I call fun

[twin mortar]

Then use one of the ohter weapons you have; the rocket launcher works well

[celest coyote]

Bfg a baron with one shyeeot

[fallow canopy]

"erm actually I enjoy how much weapon variety there is in the original bc the ssg is op" ☝️ 🤓

https://tenor.com/view/pon-gif-15097379091171620462

[finite crag]

Wow

[scenic pecan]

Real

[eager solstice]

so did you find the hidden cat pictures in tetnus?

[zealous plaza]

[obsidian sundial]

anyone playing zandronum?

[round tapir]

Hello everyone, does someone meet these 2 conditions?:
Knows a lot, but, A LOT, about the animated series created by glitch productions, murder drones (lore, the characters, the absolute solver, etc)
Knows a lot of modding for DOOM 1 and 2. Specifically sprites and textures

[vast reef]

what is bro planning

if you wanna make a mod go learn

doom is one of the most modded games ever

tons of resources

[median cloud]

I have a lot more appreciation for E2M6

Used to hate that map because it made me anxious but the fact that it can give you that feeling is a positive in itself

[stark plume]

Ive been playing sigil again and holy crap is it good (even better than i remember)

The MIDIs are godly

But someone's gotta have to talk to Romero about that crushers room, man 😭

[eager solstice]

just wait till you play sigil 2

[celest coyote]

Sigil? Fun? 😁

[fringe dew]

Three Decades of DOOM - Deathtag
[English AI Version]

Deathtag is a definitely forgotten style of play in DOOM network sessions, which appeared as a result of players' desire to go beyond Deathmatch.

So what is it? Chasing after a radiation suit? A prototype of the more famous Capture The Flag?

https://youtu.be/9olveB3-rHM?si=0EJ_HwR16bDio_q2

[merry nacelle]

Just found out you can play classic classic doom in steam

[twin mortar]

But can you play classic classic classic DOOM? (DOOM 1993, not Ultimate DOOM)

[stark plume]

Just finished Sigil while pistol starting every level, and it wasnt so bad (E5M7 tho ffs)

UV ofc

It was hella fun

[rare temple]

Might be a stupid question, but what's the easiest way to play Sewers and Betray on PC?

[stark plume]

I'd assume that's a WAD?

If it is, then i'd recommend just using GZDoom for anything

[twin mortar]

Exclusive OG Xbox DOOM I and II maps

[stark plume]

Oh

[lunar rune]

They're in Maximum DOOM

...if you feel like going through that dumpster pile

[rare temple]

Alright

[round tapir]

There is a problem, i don't have a pc, the one i had broke, now i only have phone, and 2, i have 0 knowlegde in modding, i barely can use events in construct 3

[vast reef]

do you use delta touch to play doom

mmm yeah modding will be pretty hard without slade

i think you might be able to run slade with winlator or something? seems like it'd be a hassle though

[round tapir]

Idk if my phone willl be able to handle an emulator, it can barely handle Nethersx2 and dragon ball budokai tenkaichi 3 modded at 20 FPS

[stark plume]

I am curious, when someone says a WAD is hard or tough, does it mean it's hard in a pistol start playthrough or a single segment run?

[finite crag]

Pistol start, most likely

[stark plume]

Doom 2 pistol start is (at least so far) a very weird experience

Some maps fluctuate between being very easy to a bit difficult

[obsidian sundial]

Playing Delta touch at work

[median cloud]

Yeah the original doom and doom 2 are more campaign oriented

Most maps are still easy but Barrels O fun and some others can be genuinely tough

[fierce harness]

Who is the more liked recolour? The Spectre or the Hell Knight?

[kind anvil]

Spectre is the only true recolor

but I'd probably say the Hell Knight

[little oar]

Hell knight >
Baron of hell is peak doom design so mini barons of hell still rule

[vast reef]

hell knight

hell knights are barons that are more usable in general maps

spectres are just pinkies you have trouble seeing

[fierce harness]

I see, finally I got some answers for this question, I was just curious about the responses

[azure nimbus]

the spectre isn't a recolor exactly. It has a special flag set. while using the pinky sprite. HKs are super useable. Spectres are um...pretty dumb I think. let me see em. Especially when half the ports make them barely visible

[kind anvil]

The code to generate that effect is actually pretty cool. Yeah, the fact you can't see them makes them hella annoying.

[lunar rune]

I'm fine with Spectres, I just think they're really unnecessary, but the Hell Knight is amazing for combat, a good mid tier enemy, way better than the Baron

[sick yacht]

Is there any way to legally obtain Maximum Doom ?

Is it good ? Or are those levels confusing like Master Levels for Doom 2 ?

[finite crag]

What's maximum Doom?

[twin mortar]

I believe the levels were never licensed, registered, or put under a copyright handle or any way; Kex has a rerelease of it on his GitHub.

[twin mortar]

1000+ level pack included with the original, first release of Master Levels for DOOM II

[finite crag]

Ah

[sick yacht]

3000 or 1800 levels I think. Unofficial expansion to master levels

[twin mortar]

3486 levels, just checked

[sick yacht]

whoa

[twin mortar]

It is official

[finite crag]

Holy shit that's a lot

Must have taken a while to make

[twin mortar]

Pretty sure Wolf3D got something similiar

[sick yacht]

I think only master levels is official

[twin mortar]

They were taken off the internet

[finite crag]

Why

[twin mortar]

No, Maximum DOOM was released with Master Levels, it's an official product, it's just shit

[sick yacht]

I think there were lots of comunity creators, not just 1 group

[finite crag]

Were the master levels that bad

I mean I played a few of them to see if they were actually hard

[twin mortar]

I enjoyed my time with them, but they are nowhere near as good as the base DOOM II levels

[finite crag]

I liked the first one, felt kinda like a base Doom II level

[twin mortar]

Mephisto's Maosoleum is probably my favorite

[sick yacht]

I dont remember them being hard to kill enemies, but hard to find the exit

[finite crag]

True

[sick yacht]

all of them

[finite crag]

I could not figure out how tf to progress the 20th level

[sick yacht]

the one with the elevator ?

[finite crag]

Yeah

I had no idea what to do

Haven't played it since

[sick yacht]

I think thats my favorite. I played them with youtube on my phone

[twin mortar]

You're meant to do them in order, there's a number in front of each hall

[finite crag]

Ohhh I didn't see that

[sick yacht]

are master levels on xbox 360 doom 2 ? Or only base game and no rest for the living ? Just for curiosity

I remember doom 1 on xbox 360 was the ultimate doom version, with the 4th episode

[twin mortar]

The latter

The 360 port was fire, tbh

[sick yacht]

do we play as the same marine on doom 1, ultimate doom 4th episode, doom 2, master levels, no rest for the living, final doom and doom 64 ?

Are they all canon ?

[finite crag]

Yes

[twin mortar]

Final DOOM is generally unconfirmed if it's the same guy

[finite crag]

As confirmed by events in Doom Eternal and when Dark Ages takes place (idk about Dark Ages)

[twin mortar]

Plutonia is Slayer, TNT is William "Billy Blaze" Blazkowicz

[finite crag]

Commander Keen?

Wasn't that him or am I thinking of someone else

[twin mortar]

Pretty sure it's a mash-up of William B.J. Blazkowicz and Billy Blaze

So Wolfenstein and Commander Keen

[finite crag]

Ah

[twin mortar]

Though Blazkowicz (the name) has been used in many different pieces of media, like DOOM II RPG, or even Commander Keen himself

[finite crag]

I would love for iD to sort all this Blazkowicz family stuff out

So confusing

[twin mortar]

Blazkowicz (not sure why you call it -ikz lol) has been a debate for a while now, yeah, would be nice to see a conclusion

[proven basalt]

Hallo :3

[twin mortar]

Hello, The One and Only Godzilla Geek

[finite crag]

I'm stupid why do I keep spelling it wrong

[finite crag]

Hai :3

[twin mortar]

It's fine lol, it's a Polish name and those are usually very weird in spelling (for example Brzęczysczykiewicz), and characters in the Wolfenstein series pronounce it like Blazkowitz

[finite crag]

I haven't played Wolfenstein so idk

[twin mortar]

Good game

[finite crag]

Which one

There’s like seven idk

[twin mortar]

All of them. (Except RtCW, sorry not sorry)

[finite crag]

Which one is that

[twin mortar]

Return to Castle Wolfenstein from 2001

[finite crag]

Ah

I just looked it up it looks funny

[twin mortar]

How does a game look funny

[finite crag]

I mean like odd

Different from the others from what I've seen

[twin mortar]

Yeah, it runs on the Quake III engine

Graphics were never an issue to me, the gameplay is just... eh...

[long flame]

that moment when you forget about the evilution baron room on map 02

[celest coyote]

[storm tapir]

Fatality

[long flame]

What made it even worse was that I was playing with brutal so they had consistent like 60 damage and had a 3 projectile fan occassionally as well

[viral oxide]

hi I'm not sure if this is the right channel to ask really but I just finished chapter 3 of the original doom and I'm wondering where to go next
my original plan was to play doom 1993 and 2016 before summer ends but should I go on to chapter 4 or "hell on earth" first.. I'm not so sure about playing order where would u guys go next 🤔

[kind anvil]

Story wise, Episode 4 of Doom 1 before Doom 2. However, Episode 4 of Doom 1 (having been released after Doom 2) is harder than Doom 2 in some cases so it’s a good idea to play through 2 before E4.

[viral oxide]

okay cool

and would u continue onto other doom 64 and stuff before 2016

[kind anvil]

Story wise, yeah

[viral oxide]

alright

[kind anvil]

I’ve never played Doom 64 to tell you when you should play it

[viral oxide]

oh ok

[kind anvil]

Same with Doom 3

[median cloud]

Difficulty wise I agree but @viral oxide I'd finish E4 first. I wouldn't play both Sigil's before Doom 2 though. After Doom 2 you can go No Rest For the Living > TNT > Plutonia. But if you don't want to play all of them give Plutonia a shot

[viral oxide]

okay maybe I'll throw myself into ep 4 then

[median cloud]

I always considered E4 as a part of the original Doom and I'd think it's best to finish E4 first before going in the SSG and added monsters direction with Doom 2 and the subsequent iWADs

Sigil imo is optional u dont need to play those if u dont feel like it

[long flame]

64 defo

[viral oxide]

should doom 3 be played before too

[stark plume]

Lore wise, why do demons never infight with arch-viles?

[long flame]

I'd say after Doom 64 as they're similar thematically as they're both horror esque but Doom 3 can also go after moderns

[viral oxide]

I see

[kind anvil]

I only mentioned doing E4 after is because I personally regretted it. It's probably one of the reasons I don't exactly like E4.

[median cloud]

Yeah I understand that E4 is pretty difficult from the get go while Doom 2 still eases you into it

[fierce harness]

Thy Flesh Consumed is such a cool name honestly, it’s the perfect title for an episode which will literally make you want to rip your flesh off with how hard it is

[hexed escarp]

they didnt really care about lore when making classic doom. they just wanted to make a fun and well designed game. the reason that demons do not infight with arch-viles is because their attack does blast damage so demons would infight an archvile too often because anything standing near the player when they get blasted gets hit

[long flame]

Also because it has the revive ability as well because the cyber does splash but can infight

[hexed escarp]

right

[azure nimbus]

idk, them being da boss or respecting the healer kinda works

[kind anvil]

I personally believe that the rest of the demons are scared shitless of the Archie

[hexed escarp]

yeah you can make up whatever lore you want, im just saying there is no official anything

thats actually one of the beauties of games not specifying their own lore, you can be creative and come up with your own story :)

[stark plume]

Hmmmm then

My theory would be so that the archville would resurrect them instead of hold a grudge

Why care about being hurt by someone who bring you back to full health whether you're dead, alive or in pieces

[twin mortar]

Most likely answer is that the Arch-Vile probably holds higher status in Hell's society, it'd be like assaulting a cop in our society

[azure nimbus]

cops don't revive you from the dead after friendly fire

[twin mortar]

Yeah, but we are on Earth, not Hell...

[celest coyote]

Because arch-viles are direct creations of Lucifer and have special rights. Arch-vile privilege is a real thing. Anyone gets caught attacking an arch-vile, you’ll be trapped to an endless cycle of being murdered and revived for centuries in a storage closet listening to smooth jazz

Viles get pissed when they get hurt, cuz they’re sheltered crybabies raised to be the super-soldiers of Hell. They’re coddled nonstop from birth and told how special they are everyday. Then when one stray fireball hits their neck, man, the egos start flaring worse than an online competitive videogame

[fierce harness]

Even without the lore reason, it would be kinda stupid to attack the guy who can bring you back to life

[twin mortar]

It'd be pretty stupid to attack anyone

[celest coyote]

It would be pretty stupid if two demons starting attack each other in general over killing the doomguy

Nobody said demons had the best education..they try, man

[fierce harness]

Clearly not hard enough, they even attack themselves, poor demons

[azure nimbus]

it's intereesting how the vile has no "choice" in whether he revives. His AI doesn't factor in corpses in his movement whatsoever until of course he's stationary due to a revive state. The only factor on whether he revives or not is "am I close enough to do it" and "would there be space for me"

[stark plume]

Hah spoiled rich kids is funny

Gotta love that one linedef towards the end of doom 2 map 22

The one where monsters can't see you

I've been in a staring contest with two chaingunners for a while and neither of them are budging, tough customers

[celest coyote]

They’re a little gunshy

[trail geode]

Which version of DOOM had randomly mirrored corpse sprites?

[kind anvil]

I know Crispy Doom, Woof!, and Nugget Doom have that option

[hexed escarp]

I played the first map of eternal doom and really loved the sci-fi theme/environment that it had going on, but then when I loaded up the second map I found that it was a completely different theme, and I’m wondering, does that sci-fi theme return?

[fading verge]

Probably a slim chance, but has anyone here ever experienced the ever notorious "R_FindPlane: No more visplanes" overflow error on a commercially released IWAD level? I just experienced this in TNT Evilution MAP13 Nukage Processing a few minutes ago. For context, I am using Chocolate Doom.

I always knew this was a well known limitation in the custom Vanilla WAD days of the 90's, but I just assumed that all the licensed IWADs would be safe from this limitation error.

[vale gyro]

it does happen iirc

[finite crag]

i cant mod my game if anyone know dm me pls

[vale gyro]

played through Escape from Slime City after having it in my bookmarks for over a year and I really liked it

it's only one map and that one map is short but it looks quite nice

[pine violet]

Is TNT and Plutonia canon I ask since they are technically licensed fangames

Same with Sigil since that's made by Romero

[upper crypt]

Nope

[twin mortar]

Don't listen to other guy, the canon status is ambiguous

[pine violet]

K

[finite summit]

Just putting this thought in here, I always thought as a child 6/7 when I played DooM 2 that the classic pistol always looked like the PG tips monkey.

[hexed escarp]

The classic doom canon can kinda be whatever you want it to be since there isn’t really one

[finite summit]

I assumed TNT dude was a different guy to the regular Doom marine you play from 1 to 64

[twin mortar]

He is a different guy, yeah

[finite summit]

I just imagine same green marine except he's got a massive belt buckle that says TNT

[pine violet]

Thought they were the same

He just got a promotion between games

[vale gyro]

Decided to play another map from this guy and liked it, too. Still a single map but it's a bit longer.
The weird thing about it is its name, "The Old Bean Factory."

[stark plume]

Doom 2 UV pistol start was very fun
Pistol starting makes for a very different gaming experience

Having to run around desperately looking for a shotgun if one wasn't readily available

[median cloud]

Nice man Barrels O fun can be pretty challenging pistol start

so good on you beating Doom 2 pistol start

[stark plume]

Nothing a good amount of punching with an early berserk can't solve
Honestly the hardest part was the pain elemental room, other than that, it was alright at best

[vale gyro]

now do Doom 2 UV Tyson

[celest coyote]

Pistol starting is the only way to play once you get used to it. Perfect way to appreciate each level on its own terms

[stark plume]

What's that

[twin mortar]

100% kills on UV with only melee weapons and the pistol

[stark plume]

I totally agree ^^

[stark plume]

Oh God 💀 i enjoy punching, but not THAT much
I could attempt it after i play some harder WADs

[azure nimbus]

pistol start can be somewhat freeing in the sense that you're never worried if you'll have to save ammo for future levels

finishing a level with 0,0,0,0 ammo and 1 % health is a win

[stark plume]

Ikr xD i end up splurging on ammo towards the end
Gotta love killing individual imps with a full BFG shot each

[vale gyro]

I need to try pistol starting at some point

my source port actually has an option to do pistol starts automatically which is nice

no need to IDCLEV

[stark plume]

What port do you use?

[vale gyro]

Nugget Doom

[stark plume]

Haven't heard of that one in quite a while

[vale gyro]

I started using it as DSDA-Doom wasn't working and Woof was giving me some issues

Nugget is forked from Woof but it for some reason fixed the issue I was having somewhat

[twin mortar]

When I played on PC, I never used any source ports, am I missing out? Now I play on Xbox so I have the choice between the Unity port and the 360 port, which I have no idea what it runs on. I can always install it on PC via Microsoft Store and try a source port that way, is there anything I'd be missing out on?

[vale gyro]

mainly custom maps and some QoL features

a lot of ports have controller support, so don't worry about that

[stark plume]

Honestly I just use GZDoom, not the most vanilla (or in this case, chocolate), but the fact that it can play almost if not everything is what pulls me in

[twin mortar]

I have custom maps aplenty, Unity has 1k

[vale gyro]

I mean non-Addons Menu ones

[vale gyro]

I personally don't like GZ

[twin mortar]

The addons menu houses a lot of custom maps that were never officially licensed by id before

[vale gyro]

it's movement is really off for me

[stark plume]

How so?

[vale gyro]

it feels both too slow and too slidy

at least it doesn't use a blockmap lol

[stark plume]

Does anyone still use skulltag?

[celest coyote]

That’s super cool. So long as Alien Vendetta and Scythe 2 are on that list, you’re in good hands

[twin mortar]

I don't think either of them are, though there's some good ones that total in at one thousand maps

[celest coyote]

Aw damn, Unity flops again

You might be missing out just a tad then

[twin mortar]

To be fair, you have to license it and get an agreement, I can still just set up a source port though via what I said earlier

[vale gyro]

tryna think of a port that's similar to Unity

[celest coyote]

Setting up a source port isn’t the hardest thing, depending on which source port you go for. I’d say it’s worth it if you have any interest in dooming

GZDoom and DSDA-Doom are my two go-to’s

[vale gyro]

speaking of DSDA, do you have audio cutting issues on all vanilla complevels?

Had those issues with DSDA. Only way to fix it was to switch to Boom/MBF.

[celest coyote]

Hmm..not entirely sure I know. Most of the time I’m in CL9 so I don’t run into this issue

[vale gyro]

I was thinking it was just a niche compatibility thing till I booted up the original executables and didn't have that issue one bit

forced to stop using it due to that single issue

[celest coyote]

What are you trying to play in vanilla?

[vale gyro]

base IWADs

was doing it for testing reasons to see if it'd help replace Woof due to the issues I was having with it

got some minor stuttering with software renderers so that's why I had tried DSDA

didn't try complevels that emulated older versions but complevels 2, 3, and 4 all had that issue

but 9 and 11 didn't

the orignal executables and all other ports I've tried haven't had that issue

[celest coyote]

I wouldn’t know. If it’s a vanilla thing, it could be intentional. Doubt it, but I dunno how big of an issue it is for you. I don’t honestly ever boot up base IWADs to play. I’m mostly using boom-MBF21 style wads

[vale gyro]

big issue for me personally who's nitpicky

decided to switch to Nugget Doom for now and don't regret it

[celest coyote]

My friend beemer uses nugget. He likes it. I never used

[vale gyro]

it's just Woof with some extra visual flair

too bad the save files are not compatible

[celest coyote]

You get the audio issue with gzdoom at all?

[vale gyro]

nadda

[celest coyote]

Guess other source ports are your solution. I’m not the best resource to ask such a question to

Someone else probably knows ur issue

[vale gyro]

I'll probably look around to fix the current issue with the micro stutters

they are WAY less of an issue than they were a couple months ago and even so when compared to that audio issue

[celest coyote]

Stutters like audio clips dont fully play? Or is it audio layers overlapping and cancelling others out?

[vale gyro]

the audio issue in this case is cutoff

if I pick up any item at all, any and all sound effects with the exception of the MIDI will just cease for about a second

[celest coyote]

Oh ew

That never happens to me

[vale gyro]

I don't remember it being an issue before when I used it for Sigil 2

only reason I originally stopped using it was because of some save file issues I had with it as I wasn't using Organized Save Files at the time

eh, at least Nugget's working well for me for the time being

could be some unoptimized parts of my launcher for all I know that's causing the micro stutters

The stutters as mentioned are a very minor issue at this point and are merely somewhat jarring when they happened. They otherwise don't effect gameplay and are most of the time unnoticeable.

However, when they first started occurring the same update Woof added in Voxels, they were absolutely horrendous. Felt like recording a demo all the time but if the rotations were even more limited.

anyways, away with my rambling

[celest coyote]

Maybe a fresh install of DSDA could help

[vale gyro]

probably

[celest coyote]

But again, someone else probably knows more than me

[vale gyro]

at the same time I'm liking Nugget a lot for the features pretty much only that port has

so I'll keep DSDA in mind if software rendering just becomes horrible again but it's not an issue at the moment

no what, thinking of something

when I was doing a viddump of a demo, it didn't have those issues interestingly

[celest coyote]

Gotta be part of the cool kid’s club and use DSDA to say you’re just like the speedrunners who don’t even actively practice or speedrun anything these days (yes that was a jab)

Time for an archvile to shower and wreak havoc on the innocent

[modest galleon]

. HARMONY.

||Happy Quake con for next year we would like for PS4 of DOOM and DOOM II a dlc respectively in each game with a dlc trophy unloackable one in each game of Plutonia experiment and TNT Revolution respectivly and just to clear it on any difficulty just for the trophy jas proof. Thanx for Nerve sponsor and . HARMONY. and SIGIL that will end DOOM II next quake con. Has soon has i go home i'll classify DOOM I files in Harmony dlc. And finish master levels in DOOM II and finish The 4 last levels missing in Nightmare asap with a Slayer's Club collegue in team. I'll focus on living end portal until next year Quake con. I needed healing.||

[half kestrel]

e4m2 perfect hatred, uv with fast enemies + insta reflexes
bro what the fuck is this stage :((((((((
the suffering is real
the hatred
i usually try to kill as many enemies as I can, but i don't think i can handle 4 hell barons at once with 5 rockets

[finite crag]

Gotta skip them then, I think

[lunar rune]

E4M2 is definitely one of the hardest levels on nightmare, hell I haven't even tried it yet

[azure nimbus]

It's not -- eh that's not fair. It's no pushover, but it's not in the top tier unfair nightmare maps. One of the hardest that's balanced at all

[half kestrel]

Been at it for like 5 hours now, fuck this for today

fuck this level, truly
Edit: I did it! 100% kills!!

[fierce harness]

Hell beneath puts you into a false sense of security, making you think it won’t be totally chaotic, and then the very next level, it makes you realise you were a fool for thinking it would be easy

[finite crag]

Well I beat episode 1 of Doom 93 a lot more casual than I was expecting like didn't really have that much difficulty at all although the big dudes at the end the I think they're called the Barons of hell those two dudes gave me some trouble but once I figured out that the red floor is not lava and I can walk on it it was a breeze I pretty much just Spam them with rockets

[finite crag]

Yeah I was honestly expecting it to be a little bit harder than that but literally all I did was just throw on some old grunge and started blasting it was actually kind of relaxing

[azure nimbus]

Remember this was one of the first first person shooter games out there. The original levels are generally pretty tame. There's some wild custom stuff, but the vanilla maps aren't crazy

[fierce harness]

Even though they’re tame they’re still crazy unique and creative even for the time honestly, I almost never got lost anywhere in Doom 1

[lunar rune]

I got lost way too much in DOOM 1... especially my first time in E3M7

I didn't even mind it, I appreciated the old texture and puzzles, E3M7 is now one of my favourite levels

[median cloud]

Yeah it's mostly surviving the first two rooms, if you can get out of the pinky room and get the Megasphere the map is won

Still the hardest map in Doom 2, maybe the Chasm is a bit harder on pistol start

[median cloud]

Doom 1 is also the easiest iteration of classic doom you can find
Any other mappack will be more difficult ranging from a bit more difficult to a looooooot more difficult

[snow cairn]

guys any idea how to download brutal doom

[fierce harness]

I used a video tutorial to get it downloaded, Idk if I can send the online link here tho

[stark plume]

It is tough, but the toughest for me was map 8 tricks and traps

[median cloud]

Really? Thats surprising especially with the early weapons you can get. For me map 08 is one of the easier to pistol start. The pit and refueling base are tougher for me

[fierce harness]

The invulnerability’s also help tremendously

[finite crag]

Yeah but I mean I've played some really hard retro games like Castlevania Rondo of Blood for example so I've kind of just expected that like older games like from the 90s or '80s to be very difficult

[long flame]

Download it from the red site link mod dB or something
Use 7zip to extract the stuff from the rar file
Drag the pk3 onto your gzdoom every time you want to play it

[vale gyro]

expanding on the final thing said here for secondary options you can use

• Batch files: assuming everything is in the same directory and Brutal Doom is called brutalDoom.pk3: gzdoom -file brutalDoom.pk3
• Launchers: Launchers like ZDL can allow you to manage load orders of mods in a graphical way and are usually easier to use than batch files.

[stark plume]

Well yeah but then again, getting all the kills you need to make a safe space will be a bit tough between the tons of pinkies in both the bfg room and the one before, the cacos swarm and the barons

Playing tnt evilution, whoever designed map 9 stronghold needs therapy

[finite crag]

It took me like 10 minutes to find the singular secret in the first map

I'm just dumb though

[stark plume]

Honestly if the kill count is high enough, i just skip undiscovered secrets

[finite crag]

Fair

[median cloud]

Pistol start?

[stark plume]

Yup

Honestly at this point, pistol starting is a fun challenge

[median cloud]

I always pistol start as well. Prison in tnt was probably the first map I found tough

Truthfully I havent pistol started most of tnt yet but I did do the entirety of plutonia

[finite crag]

The second map is difficult cause of that one room after the red door

I am also not used to Classic Doom though so oh well

[stark plume]

You mean in tnt?

[finite crag]

Yea

[stark plume]

Map 2 of tnt is rough
Original doom may not have a SSG but it also doesn't have those nasty chaingunners

[finite crag]

Ah

[stark plume]

Honestly super doable so far (finished map 10) besides map 9 which will be hell no matter what

SOOOO many hitscanners

[median cloud]

Ive just done 13 was alright

Dont wanna spoil much so I wont say anything more haha

[stark plume]

Currently doing 11

Most maps are a breeze tbh

[median cloud]

I liked 11, was somewhat harder

Couldnt see much in the dark areas and the spawning hitscanners were annoying

[long flame]

Also for finding weapons in it pistol spawns have rifle mainly or rarer pistol
Super shotgun spawns mainly SSG or rarer Auto
Mini gun spawns have mainly mini guns or rarer SMGs
Plasma rifle spanners have mainly plasma rifles or rarer railgun
BFG spanners gave mainly BFG 9k or rarer BFG 10k
Infra red goggles randomly have Night Vision, Demon Form power ups (Lasts either a minute or half a minute) (Can be either revenant or baron) or the Flamethrower
Invisibility orbs are replaced by random tied up marines
Cannot remember what the LMG replaces
Grenades are gained form
ammo boxes, sergeants and backpacks
Mancubi drop their cannons which share ammo with the flamethrower
Grenade launcher and rocket launcher share a spawner
Revenant drop their launchers
Health and armour bonuses now provide 2 each

[stark plume]

Someone should start a cheese company and call it Archi's (ar cheese)
The slogan would be: "so good it brings back the dead"

[finite crag]

We know you are 😊

(I’m half sorry)

[finite crag]

Don't be I know I am

Then nevermind

Get good dumbass /j

[stark plume]

Map 12 has an amazing map
Map 13 was an absolute blast, i love that map (plus the music)
Map 14 was very nice

[median cloud]

Dang ur breezing through the maps

I like 14 as well but didnt like killing the cyber in 13

[vale gyro]

what's probably the best Doom 1 Episode (besides E4) to start practicing pistol starting?

only wanting Doom 1 as I at least know those well enough to practice with.

[finite crag]

uhh not sure tbh

[median cloud]

Episode 1 tbh? Most episodes aren't exactly harder than the previous ones imo

[finite crag]

why is E4 easier in the second half than the first

[median cloud]

E1M1 and E1M2 are freebies but most of the other levels are kinda of similar difficulty to E2/E3.
The only outliers are E2M6, E3M2/E3M4

[vale gyro]

yeah

[median cloud]

No clue E4M4 should've been the first map since it's super easy. E4M6 is tough tho

[lime arrow]

I'd say E2 cuz it's the best one imo

[vale gyro]

I agree

[median cloud]

Alright been playing some TNT again, beat 02, 08, 09 and 10 pistol start

Metal was kinda tough until I found the blur sphere right before the last area

Stronghold was really fun but also lots of secrets

Redemption was a cakewalk

and Human BBQ was actually somewhat tough the hitscan hell that is TNT can really fuck u up

[unreal pike]

anyone know PROJECT BRUTALITY 3.0?

[median cloud]

TNT map 29 is also beat, funny how there are like 400 worth of cell ammo but no cell weapons

Gotta do Mount Pain sometimes but ehhh not looking forward to it

[azure nimbus]

the way I see it, e3 is easiest, then e2, then e1, then e4. However, e2m6 is up there for one of the hardest levels. But it's just that one map in e2

[vale gyro]

currently doing E2 atm

I've reached the one level I don't particularly like from the episode, E2M7

I didn't really find M6 that hard personally

beserk made it a tad easy lol

[azure nimbus]

Maybe I'm overhyping it because I think of ranking doom1's difficulty on nightmare and e2m6 has the most backtracking of any classic map

[median cloud]

Yeah nightmare is a different animal

I find it hard to distinguish difficulty in classic doom because truth be told its piss easy (on UV)

[azure nimbus]

for the base maps at least. But the enemies being pretty easy gives mappers more freedom to put them in wilder spots

[median cloud]

Yeah I'm talking mostly Doom 1, even E4 is a noticeable step up in difficulty

If you'd ask me what the hardest Doom 1 map was, on UV, I would struggle to answer. Since all of the Doom 1 maps are just pretty easy

[vale gyro]

for me that's E4M6 without a single doubt in my mind

[azure nimbus]

And I think that's part of what makes this game so moddable. A singular imp isn't a threat. But that's why you can have a map with a thousand imps and it still be fair. Modders have more options to put them up close or in large numbers. Where what if you took a doom3 mancubus? Now you can only have a few before it's totally out of hand or unfair

[finite crag]

true, kinda

[hexed escarp]

if you are talking first three episodes i would maybe say e3m4

[median cloud]

Yeah but E4 isn't Doom 1. E4 I can agree E4M6 is the hardest map

[vale gyro]

oh, yeah, right

I'm used to people considering E4 apart of Doom 1 that I've forgotten it's UDoom

[median cloud]

I am. I recently played House Of Pain and I can't say if it's easier or harder than Walls of the Damned

[azure nimbus]

ooh just the original 3 episodes. I think I'd go with e3m3 yeah

[median cloud]

Haha I said Doom 1 specifically because I wanted to exclude E4

[twin mortar]

Even Bethesda calls it a part of DOOM I

[azure nimbus]

just due to the opening

[vale gyro]

yeah, I can't say anything then

as all 3 episodes were easy on UV for me

[median cloud]

E4 ups the difficulty to a degree where I can say "okay E4M2 or E4M6 might be the hardest maps"

I dont have that in E1-E3

[twin mortar]

I had to do UV runs of DOOM I+II on 360 for the 100%, it was really fun (E4 also was optional iirc but I'm not 100% sure), but then I got to NRFTL...

[median cloud]

Doom 2 has the living end, barrels o' fun and honestly the chasm if u max it

[median cloud]

same pretty much

[median cloud]

Pandemonium?

Honestly out of all the original doom maps Mount Pain might be the hardest to MAX. Because getting those final kills while being bombarded by lost souls is annoying as hell.

It def isn't the hardest map to finish though

[hexed escarp]

with plutonia in the mix as well?

[median cloud]

Honestly, yeah. But I play the classic doom levels on low res low framerate. Enemies at a distance are a real pain

[hexed escarp]

ah

i havent played much of tnt so i wouldnt know anyways

[median cloud]

Plutonia has harder maps to finish and in general

Go 2 it is probably still the toughest classic doom map even though it gives you full resources at the start

Speed is a contender as well imo

[hexed escarp]

are you talking playing with no saves btw

or with saves

[median cloud]

Uv pistol start

No saves

[hexed escarp]

ah yeah

ive been trying to get into playing no saves

[median cloud]

If you do campaign just save between levels

Otherwise if you pistol start just never save

[hexed escarp]

yeah i play pistol start

[median cloud]

Most classic doom maps are small enough to do in one sitting without hating yourself if you die

[hexed escarp]

right now im trying to do eviternity no saves since thats my favorite wad

im on map08

[median cloud]

Hahaha I did this

Map 19 you might consider saving

[hexed escarp]

and 32

[median cloud]

Map takes like an hour to beat and I died to a teleportint cybruiser near the latter half

[hexed escarp]

ive already beaten the whole thing with saves

[median cloud]

Annoying af

[hexed escarp]

no mid fight saves tho

[median cloud]

I never beat 32 actually

[hexed escarp]

32 is my favorite doom map ever

[median cloud]

Hmmm gotta give it a shot then but Im going through Eviternity 2 atm

At map 26 but havent summed the willpower to go and beat it yet

[hexed escarp]

oh yeah Eviternity 2 is awesome. 1 is still my favorite but 2 is an insane feat of design

[hexed escarp]

oh yeah, with 26, you might already know this, but you do not have to beat all of the trials

you can choose which ones to do or not to do

beating each trial gives you some advantage in the final fight

i dont remember all of them off the top of my head, but evade removes archviles from the final fight

no wait not evade, conceal

conceal removes archviles, evade removes some amount of misc monsters

[median cloud]

Is that the one where u need to dodge the arches?

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[median cloud]

I played a bit and managed to get through that trial

[hexed escarp]

each one gives you an advantage somewhat related to the concept of that trial

[median cloud]

I failed the cyber trial a lot lol

[hexed escarp]

destroy gives you the bfg

[median cloud]

Yeh thats the cyber one

Tho I only tried 3-4 times

Map 24 was amazing though, banger map

Probably hardest up until now as well

[hexed escarp]

the one where you have to run on the flashing floors (i forget what its called) removes the hurt floors from the final fight

[median cloud]

Is the final fight a pushover if u do all the trials?

[hexed escarp]

not a pushover

but a lot easier

if you do none of them its nearly impossible (only nearly)

[median cloud]

hmm maybe I'll try to beat the map today

[hexed escarp]

but yeah at my current skill level i dont think im gonna be able to get through all of eviternity saveless

i think im gonna start running into skill issue pretty soon

im scared of map09

[median cloud]

Been too long since Ive played eviternity 1

was in 2019 or something

[hexed escarp]

oh man the only problem with playing saveless is once i get a certain amount of the way through a map i start to get stupidly nervous

eyy done with map08

ok now im not sure im gonna be able to do this next one

how is every single song in this wad so good

[fierce harness]

It’s insanely hard to mess up doom music

[hexed escarp]

yeah but Eviternity's music is particularly excellent

[hexed escarp]

also that is NOT true

i should figure out what im doing on this map so that I dont run into ammo/rad suit troubles

[earnest kindle]

WE'RE SO BACK

[serene nexus]

IT'S GETTING THE NIGHTDIVE TREATMENT

[vale gyro]

huh?

[past field]

IM SO HAPPY RN

[vale gyro]

what's happening?

[twin mortar]

What happened

[past field]

oh no twitter links

[serene nexus]

It's getting the Nightdive treatment.

[vale gyro]

DM me it

[past field]

ok so check doom 1993 on steam

[earnest kindle]

DOOM 1993, DOOM II, Final DOOM, and Master Levels are now one package. it's all on the kex engine now.

[serene nexus]

Look at the DOOM 1 Steam store page.

[vale gyro]

oh nice

[twin mortar]

It'd be easier if I had the game on steam 😭

[earnest kindle]

nightdive and machinegames made a new episode for DOOM II

[serene nexus]

The update's not exactly dropped yet, but it's a matter of time now.

[vale gyro]

I don't really like the KEX engine to be honest

[unreal gulch]

now i wanna see this, new content

[vale gyro]

it's binding system is weird

could never actually bind what I wanted in Doom 64

[serene nexus]

Here lies the Unity port. It was decent.

[twin mortar]

Does anyone know if this will be a free update? Is it hitting consoles?

[serene nexus]

I speak for longtime Quake owners (not like me) that yes it is.

[vale gyro]

it more than likely would be

[twin mortar]

I'm really hyped for this, god damn

[vale gyro]

I only care for the new Episode or whatever

I'm not all to excited about the engine switch

might be better for console players who knows

but at least in my experience the Unity port felt more solid than KEX

and I mean by a longshot

[unreal gulch]

it says available now in the trailer

[twin mortar]

It's been delisted too on Xbox, it's coming 🔥 🔥

[unreal gulch]

like taken off?

[twin mortar]

Yeah, it says "NOT CURRENTLY AVAILABLE", just like on Steam where it says you can't buy it

Notice: DOOM + DOOM II is no longer available on the Steam store.

[twin mortar]

For DOOM 1993 and DOOM II btw, a dedicated store page for I + II isn't up yet

[vale gyro]

I'm reading through it

you need 3 bloody accounts to use the damn thing

yeah, instant pass for me, then

[sullen basalt]

Yeah

At least I own doom II og

More rare games for me

[vale gyro]

as in?

you have the diskettes?

[sullen basalt]

The og doom II on steam

The delisted one

[twin mortar]

It'll likely be merged, no longer a rarity

[sullen basalt]

There’s 2 separate games

[twin mortar]

It's likely only delisted temporarily while they get this up, though we'll see

[sullen basalt]

They only updated the page for doom 1993

[twin mortar]

Key word: Merged. They did the same for DOOM 3

[sullen basalt]

good point

[vale gyro]

oh yeah, they did

[sullen basalt]

I think it would have been better to use gzdoom tho

[vale gyro]

let's just hope they don't hide the WAD files with this release

[unreal gulch]

bethesda acct, steam. what else?

[vale gyro]

PlayFab

[sullen basalt]

We can find them

[sullen basalt]

Tf is a playfab

[vale gyro]

that's what I said

[sullen basalt]

And there’s an eula

Figures

[unreal gulch]

feel like i’ve heard the name

[sullen basalt]

Ok but how is this m rated still

It’s like T at best now a days

[vale gyro]

not really

the Steam releases try to keep the original gameplay

which GZDoom does not

[twin mortar]

Microsoft Azure PlayFab

[sullen basalt]

I just hope there’s a minimal hud in this

[vale gyro]

I don't understand why people like it personally

it shows you less info and it's uglier

[sullen basalt]

We don’t need to see every amount of ammo we have

[earnest kindle]

good question, how is this going to affect the console ports? cuz DOOM 1993 and DOOM II are seperate games

[vale gyro]

you also can't see what guns you have at a glance

on top of that Doom Guy's face actually indicates where you got hit from

[sullen basalt]

Im good enough to remember most of that info

[twin mortar]

Something I haven't seen anyone bring up is that it will have online multiplayer

[sullen basalt]

Zandronum exists

[vale gyro]

I doubt it

[sullen basalt]

This isn’t revolutionary

[vale gyro]

despite the new deathmatch maps

[vale gyro]

yeah, Doom's always had it

[twin mortar]

The Unity ports didn't

[vale gyro]

besides them

[sullen basalt]

Who cares about those

Like actually

[vale gyro]

people who actually like the port?

also console players on top of that

[sullen basalt]

Good point

[earnest kindle]

just checked the PS Store, the Unity ports have been delisted..

BUT the Unity ports are still available through PS+ Extra games

[twin mortar]

Wow, kind of funny that we are bringing up the old port to compare a new one, hmm

[finite crag]

HOLY SHIT. New Doom rerelease.

[sullen basalt]

Ye

[twin mortar]

We will be playing 🔥

[finite crag]

Compatible with add-ons? Hopefully they expand support for adding our own.

[sullen basalt]

They will

[earnest kindle]

it has mod support

[hexed escarp]

wait wtf just happened

[vale gyro]

Doom switched to KEX

which I'm not all too excited about

[hexed escarp]

what is that?

[vale gyro]

only cool thing from it is that it now has Boom support

[sullen basalt]

ye

[hexed escarp]

OOH

boom support is cool

[vale gyro]

from the Doom 64 Steam release?

[sullen basalt]

From the quake rerelease

[hexed escarp]

oh is it a game engine?

[twin mortar]

DOOM 64, Quake and Quake II remaster engine

[finite crag]

Did they confirm Boom support? So I can add shit like Plutonia 2?

[vale gyro]

yeah

[hexed escarp]

plutonia 2 is vanilla compat

[twin mortar]

Yup, Boom support is confirmed, go wild

[finite crag]

It wasn't compatible with the Bethesda port when I tried a few years ago.

[vale gyro]

unless they improved the port since 64

to me it's an overall downgrade

[serene nexus]

Even D64D2's gonna work on this one
Sixty-forception

[hexed escarp]

probably because it uses plutonia as the iwad instead of doom 2

wait so it it out yet or just announced

[twin mortar]

Just announced, trailer says out yet but it isn't. I am keeping an eye on my Xbox though, so whenever the Xbox update drops I will notify

[hexed escarp]

ah

will be interesting to see what add-ons they have this time if it has boom support

[serene nexus]

Shadowdropped at this point.
I still have the Nerve ports for now.

[twin mortar]

Honestly, I'm really excited for Final DOOM getting more recognition. In love with this UI

[finite crag]

Yeah it should be out soon.

[hexed escarp]

where was this announced?

[hexed escarp]

oh thats cool

[serene nexus]

I even booted them up one last time to delete the addons I downloaded.
Just in case.

[twin mortar]

It dropped on Steam and it was noticed, no official announcement

[vale gyro]

the dev's twitter I think

[hexed escarp]

oh interestin

[finite crag]

If they'd incorporated Doom 64 into this that would've been amazing but oh well, still great.

[hexed escarp]

will it have mbf/mbf21 support?

would be cool to be able to have stuff like eviternity/eviternity 2 as official add-ons

[vale gyro]

sadly no

just Boom

[little oar]

So if Doom 1/2/etc are in the kex engine...what does that mean
Like, what does this engine do that wasn't already done with the unity ports

[hexed escarp]

ah rip

imagine if we got a new official expansion

[twin mortar]

We are

[hexed escarp]

wait really!!??

[twin mortar]

Just like with Quake I and II

[serene nexus]

What's MBF?

[vale gyro]

kinda janky menus

[hexed escarp]

it was another late 90s source port that got widely adapted as a mapping standard like boom

it was based on boom and just added some nice extra features

wads like eviternity and valiant were made for it

[serene nexus]

I still don't doubt DeHackEd is still there

I mean, the Nerve ports had it

[hexed escarp]

mbf added many extra dehacked features

[little oar]

awesome

[hexed escarp]

what is it called?

[little oar]

Is it out yet? I already see some of the steam listing combining the two, is it a shadow drop or what

[little oar]

Legacy of Rust

[twin mortar]

Legacy of Rust

[twin mortar]

Not out yet, I am spying on my Xbox for it

[little oar]

Ah

[hexed escarp]

oh damn

can someone link to where this was all announced

[little oar]

I wonder if this'll uncensor DOOM 2.
Until then, I'll probably just keep the unity ports installed since there's an easy patch for those to fix them

[twin mortar]

Would be cool if the Unity ports were still playable, preservation is important

[little oar]

Also I kind of wish they had a better name than "DOOM 1 + DOOM 2"

Call it like Doom Classic Collection or something

[vale gyro]

wait

[twin mortar]

That's the name of an existing bundle, and very similiar to a PS3 game that was basically this but simpler, it'd confuse people

[vale gyro]

Doom 1 and 2 have achievements

[little oar]

AYO

[vale gyro]

cause of the KEX Engine

[finite crag]

yeah they both have 20

[twin mortar]

They never did on Steam

[finite crag]

that's weird

[little oar]

This is so weird. The listing for them in my library has updated, but the library itself still has them both listed as separate games.
I do see the achievements though

[twin mortar]

Achievements for them were a console thing

[serene nexus]

WE GONNA PLATINUM THIS SHIT 🔥 🔥 🔥

[finite crag]

have fun getting a partner to do Nightmare

[serene nexus]

...Fuck off, DOOM 3 BFG, you don't count.

[twin mortar]

That achievement is cut out I think

[hexed escarp]

when this is out i doubt i will actually play on this port but rather just rip the new expansion and play it in woof

[little oar]

If they add online support to these, that might actually be easy to do now that they "just released"

[finite crag]

true

[finite crag]

cut from what?

[twin mortar]

DOOM + DOOM II

[hexed escarp]

can someone link the announcement of all of this?

where are yall getting this information

[finite crag]

on computer?

[twin mortar]

Steam, it was never officially announced, people just found it there

[little oar]

Yeah all the multiplayer achivements seem to be gone

[twin mortar]

We have no idea for console yet, but likely there too

[little oar]

Staring at the list rn

[finite crag]

i mean we got a Quake remaster

this isn't shocking

[hexed escarp]

can you link the steam link? i cant find it

[twin mortar]

Yes it is, because Quake remaster was 2 years after we already got the DOOM Unity ports, this is a remaster of a remaster

[twin mortar]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2280/DOOM__DOOM_II/

Steam

DOOM + DOOM II

Developed by id Software, and originally released in 1993, DOOM pioneered and popularized the first-person shooter, setting a standard for all FPS games. The critically acclaimed sequel, DOOM II, followed in 1994. Now the definitive, newly enhanced versions of DOOM + DOOM II are available as a combined product.Owners Receive: - DOOM¹ - DOOM II¹...

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[vale gyro]

if you own Doom 1 on Steam it's been updated

just not the actual port atm

[finite crag]

Let's see, Quake, Doom, what next? The old Wolfenstein games?

[little oar]

DOOM is about to have the same fate as sonic adventure where every release is just a port of a port of a port

[hexed escarp]

WAIT

ENHANCED SOUNDTRACK BY ANDREW HULSHULT

[little oar]

HUH

[hexed escarp]

does it come with IDKFA??

[serene nexus]

Yeah, that too!

[little oar]

YOOOO

[finite crag]

it sounds SO FUCKING GOOD

[hexed escarp]

DID HE FINISH THE DOOM 2 COVERS???

[serene nexus]

Apparently so

[hexed escarp]

wait are the doom 1 songs new or are they just idkfa

[twin mortar]

Also I saw the Beta Lost Souls in a screenshot 👀

[little oar]

Texture packs..?

[finite crag]

uhh they're updated versions, basically covers(?)

[twin mortar]

Beta Lost Soul functions completely different

Hitscan Lost Soul...

[little oar]

Yeah, remix ost in the trailer options showcase

[hexed escarp]

yeah but i mean a while ago he released these doom 1 covers, are they these or are they new ones? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGK1dr-Ql0w

[little oar]

Oh

[finite crag]

sounds like it

[hexed escarp]

EPIC

[little oar]

Both?
Straight from the trailer:
"Original Or Enhanced IDKFA Sountrack By Andrew Hulshult"

[hexed escarp]

i cant wait to hear the doom 2 ones

[twin mortar]

Pretty sure Original is referring to the actual OG DOOM ost

[little oar]

At around the 13 seconds mark

[hexed escarp]

wdym? so is this new port playable?

[finite crag]

so we getting a port remaster thing

[twin mortar]

It's not out yet

[finite crag]

online multiplayer to console I beg

[vale gyro]

port's not out yet

the page has been updated, though

[twin mortar]

That's confirmed

[hexed escarp]

ahh i see

[hexed escarp]

wait so where did you hear the music

[finite crag]

YES

[finite crag]

in the trailer

[little oar]

Wait

[hexed escarp]

ah

[little oar]

Dammit

[hexed escarp]

yeah these are just his old covers

[twin mortar]

"The DOOM + DOOM II service may be discontinued, and content modified, disabled, suspended or removed, at any time." that's very nice

[finite crag]

Lego Doom sets pleaase iD do it

[hexed escarp]

holy shit i cant wait to hear the doom 2 ones

[little oar]

Ok, look at the steam screenshots
Why does one have a flamethrower looking weapon?

[twin mortar]

It's one of the Add-Ons

[little oar]

I'm assuming that's a wad or something but idk. I don't usually explore outside the vanilla mapsets

[little oar]

Ah alr

[finite crag]

i wanna hear Into Sandy's City (that is Doom 2 right)

[hexed escarp]

hes done that one already

you can find it on youtube, he did some of doom 2 just not all of it

its really good

[little oar]

YEP
Online multiplayer

And cross platform

[twin mortar]

Now I just really hope they do the same for DOOM 3 2019...

[little oar]

"New Enhancements

• Online, cross-platform deathmatch and co-op for up to 16 players²

• Community-published mod support with an in-game mod browser²'³

• Choose between the original midi DOOM and DOOM II soundtracks or the modern IDKFA versions by Andrew Hulshult (including brand-new DOOM II recordings)

• Improved performance with multithreaded rendering supporting up to 4K resolution⁴

• Now on the KEX engine

• BOOM source compatibility makes it possible for hundreds of community-created mods from the past 25 years to be published in-game
  "

[finite crag]

yes

[finite crag]

Don't worry about this. It's just corpo babble.

[hexed escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbzoTo75LyU

[finite crag]

no console multiplayer for D3 is cancer

[hexed escarp]

this will be the one in this port

since the doom 1 ones were the same

[twin mortar]

I want to wake up to a huge update to DOOM 1993, I don't want to wait until the end of QC, please let it be the first announcement

[finite crag]

such fucking peak

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[little oar]

Huh.
"² Bethesda.net account required." under the footnotes

[sullen basalt]

Look at the last one

[little oar]

Assuming that's for mods like with the unity ports, hopefully

[finite crag]

makes sense

[sullen basalt]

They can remove the game at any time

[little oar]

It doesn't say what it's required for just that it's required

[finite crag]

literally no point in not having a bethesda account

[hexed escarp]

" Community-published mod support with an in-game mod browser"

[calm cradle]

Probably for multiplayer too, since it has rudimentary chat functionality,

[hexed escarp]

thats pretty epic, so when people release their megawads, they can release it on the official port as well

[little oar]

Ah fair

[calm cradle]

16 player multiplayer was surprising

[finite crag]

lots of games got 16 player

[little oar]

So uh...can we get IDKFA on spotify now please kthx
Or any of the classic osts for that matter

[calm cradle]

inb4 so many people beg for MyHouse not knowing why that’s impossible

[hexed escarp]

the part starting at 2:14 is insane

[hexed escarp]

lmao

[finite crag]

actually that is impressive for a 31 year old game

[hexed escarp]

probably possible now that it is officially licensed

[calm cradle]

I once got someone on my twitch stream begging me to make MyHouse work in zandronum

[hexed escarp]

have we ever heard anything from the myhouse creator since it was released?

[calm cradle]

They saw I was a programmer on it and just would not listen to me when I said I wasn’t going go do that

[finite crag]

yeah not shocking really

[calm cradle]

I mean, I have. I know who he is. But not publicly

[hexed escarp]

ah

is he someone present in the community under a different name?

or not really