classic-doom

[sage briar]

You don’t understand I would get lost in the starting area

Also my big brain self played doom one on the hardest difficulty on
My first play through

[celest coyote]

That’s okay. You have your own experience with myhouse. Going the “correct” way takes the fun out of the point which is to get lost and explore

[sage briar]

Well yeah I guess you have a point I just wanted to get a idea on what is to come if I need it

[celest coyote]

Especially if you sorta just started.

Just know if you pickup an item, you’re doing something somewhat right

[sage briar]

Okay

[lament tangle]

At least I’m not telling him exactly what to do bruh

[paper spruce]

embers of Armageddon (eternal addon) + several monster packs (colorful hell, complex doom stripped, cyber's randomizer, doomkraken's randomizer, etc.) + obsidian generated maps = infinite doom eternal content

[lament tangle]

Uhhh

#eternal-modding

[paper spruce]

these are mods for doom 2. 🗿

[lament tangle]

Wut

That’s odd

Eternal is too eternaling my brain

[paper spruce]

EoA adds doom eternal weapons

to doom 2

[lament tangle]

Isn’t the only one not in there just like the ballista?

Unless we talking adding weapon mods as well then idk

[paper spruce]

no, every weapon from eternal is ported. All guns + weapon mods, chainsaw, hammer, grenades, all of it

[lament tangle]

Jesus

[paper spruce]

there are a lot of mods that do that but EoA does it the best imo

[merry nacelle]

Does Okuplok have lore

[celest coyote]

Unloved child creates big level thinking lots of monsters eating up 8 hours of your time equals hard level

[merry nacelle]

Cough cough yeaahhhh it's obviously soooo easy

[atomic wigeon]

yo quick queestion for people who have played sigil 2 I have encountered a bug in e6m4 where the platform wont be raised up for me to continue after you lower the red bars and press the switch what can I do?

i was using doom strict but changed it to boom and it immediatly worked anyone know why this happens

[normal nebula]

when you try to connect to zdaemon but you have to download a 300 mb file for 70 years

[azure nimbus]

GZdoom's "doom strict" is not perfectly emulating the doom engine the way that dsda does.

[atomic wigeon]

intresting

[azure nimbus]

Gotta be honest -- I didn't check the exact level. But I have played sigil2 and do know that it's designed for limit removing. So running dsda on -complevel 2, it'll run just fine

While GZdoom defaults will run most stuff, you're always at risk of something breaking that wasn't designed for it

[vale gyro]

Sigil 2 was tested on GZDoom, which is making me wonder why it broke

maybe because Romero didn't have "Doom Strict" turned on?

also, just double checked, TXT states:

Advanced engine needed : Limit-removing. Developed using GZDoom.

[azure nimbus]

probably he used default settings or something idk

limit removing does mean -CL 2 though

[vale gyro]

probably

[azure nimbus]

"Vanilla" means -CL 2 with all engine eccentricities and visiplane stuff. Ie keep all-ghosts possible and it should work in dos limitations. Limit removing means -CL 2 but you're expected to use a limit extending port like dsda and are not expected to keep all-ghosts on

From a player perspective, they're identical tbh. It's just a mapper consideration

There are extremely minor gameplay differences that a player could notice between the common complevels, but this is purely mapper side

[astral nexus]

make a nokia 3310 port of doom

[dim arch]

whats the function to unlock some of the secret areas??

like sometimes a door will lower, sometimes it doesnt

??

is there a specifc thing i have to do

like sometimes i jus walk in and it lowers, and other times doesnt

[vale gyro]

what game, map, and secret

as it completely depends on what secret

some of them you need to hit a specific switch and then backtrack, some you need to interact with an out of place wall, some are triggered by walking over a certian point

[dim arch]

o ok

how do u get the bridge on toxic refinery

nvm got it somehow

[vale gyro]

I don't remember a bridge for some reason

to be fair I rarely go for secrets on that map

[dim arch]

o

[vale gyro]

Scythe 2's 5th episode is already choking me

lack of SSG and ammo in the first two maps is what's getting me

I'm aware SSG is in map22, so by then it's just the lack of ammo

oh yeah, and the bloody revs as always

I don't know why but I just cannot dodge them at all

even their unguided missiles, I always get hit by them

never had this much of an issue with them in any other map I've played

guess the guys who made Scythe 2 knew how to use those damn revs

[vale gyro]

so yeah, any tips on conserving ammo on this map (with the exception of using the beserk pack, which I'm pretty much saving for health due to how often I'm getting hit)

[vale gyro]

what sucks is that most of the time they bundle the same enemies in the same room, so infighting is near impossible

[vale gyro]

I'm sorry- 503 enemies in map23?!

I am NOT skilled enough for slaughter

[azure nimbus]

the start of the map has a lot of the classic big map things: where you need to get a particular set of enemies dead to make an area safe. Then that safe area lets you eliminate another group to expand your safe zone. Secrets can be used to avoid one of the fights

[lunar rune]

Citadel at the Edge of Eternity is agonizing

[dim arch]

Doom dos so broken

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-guts-crying-anime-gif-9027702

[void hemlock]

dont play the DOS version

stop torturing yourself

[hexed escarp]

you could try using chocolate doom

it is nearly identical to the original version but runs on modern operating systems without having to use dosbox

[vale gyro]

the revs are the absolute worst on this map

I've died to the starting cyber once

I've died to revs at least 20 times

cannot kill them fast enough

[azure nimbus]

oh yeah. ya gotta find some safe spot to chip away

[vale gyro]

don't know why

every other mapset and IWAD I've played, I've had literally no issue with revs

here I'm constantly dying to them all throughout Scythe 2

I'd imagine about 90% of my deaths are from revs

issue is with the invuln at the start

don't use it at the start and 4/10 times I will take too much damage due to the revs

use it at the start and I have no time to use it on the revs in the second area and I will die to either the revs or a combination of the revs and the mastermind

screw it, I'm save scumming this level

The revs are making me scream

[hexed escarp]

were you trying to play without saves?

[vale gyro]

I'm not pistol starting but Scythe 2's map23

I've literally never played slaughter before

or a map with this high of an enemy count

maybe TN idk

but yeah, I've never played slaughter for sure

I've played this map for nearly and hour straight with no progress

even when save scumming

starting to believe I may have to come back to this WAD in a couple years when I actually got the skill for it

[celest coyote]

Did you reach the Great Shelf?

[vale gyro]

the what?

[celest coyote]

In Scythe 2, the huge difficulty spike from the jungle episode is known as the Great Shelf

I think it starts at 23

That level is a doozy, for sure

[vale gyro]

I can tell

especially for me, who can't seem to dodge revs at all

[celest coyote]

Revenants suck, even long after Scythe 2..I still hate them lol

[azure nimbus]

I dont know if I'd even count that map as slaughter. There are a lot of enemies, but so many snipers and regular encounters with some tight space. The last fight is slaughtery maybe

[celest coyote]

Slaughtery definitely

The whole bottom area fills with revs and hellknights

[vale gyro]

yeah, probably have to abandon the WAD for now, then

[celest coyote]

If you made it that far, you can certainly power through it

Just takes a lot of patience and dedication

[vale gyro]

I made it to the red key last save

I got to the blue key before dying to a rev

[celest coyote]

Sounds like you’re at least making progress

[vale gyro]

barely any

[celest coyote]

Are there any secrets in that level? I sorta forget

[vale gyro]

2

got no clue where they are

[celest coyote]

I can’t recall them either atm

[vale gyro]

what sucks is that there is something wrong with my A key

makes it even harder to play

it gets stuck where I usally press my key

and well, it ain't hotswap

so I can't change the switch on it

Man I had perfect RNG

and then it autoswitched to the rocket and I face rocketed in a room with only chaingunners

welp, doubling how much I save scum then

[azure nimbus]

one of the secrets can let you cheese a fight

[vale gyro]

I got both

neither helped me cheese anything

hell, it made it the fights harder at times

I said fuck it and ran to the exit

just noticed it after my last death

wait- 638??

yeah, I'm taking a break

holy

[cloud talon]

Why doesnt the modern port of doom 1 and 2 have online multiplayer?

Even the Xbox 360 versions had online and those versions were terrible

[vale gyro]

Probably because they thought "oh, it'd be more accurate to the originals!" despite the fact DWANGO existed

[cloud talon]

But if accuracy was their concern they wouldn't have ceosshair enabled by default

[vale gyro]

yeah

I don't get why the Unity port even has a crosshair

it just confuses people who've only played modern games

[warped tulip]

@feral wharf

[cloud talon]

Eh?

[vale gyro]

basically, crosshairs are usually the indicator where the shot will go for modern games

Doom, however, doesn't have freelook unlike modern games

people who've only played modern Doom games or other modern shooters would look at an enemy above or below them and see the crosshair isn't pointed at them

in turn, they'll think they can't hit the enemy

[azure nimbus]

replace the crosshair with a vertical bar lmao

[vale gyro]

it has to have a small horizontal line for the small amount of horizontal autoaim

[azure nimbus]

Horiz autoaim has deadzones too

Like it'll detect enemies on these bars | | | | |

[vale gyro]

never knew that

anyways, I might go and make a custom "Secret Found" sound effect so it's a bit nicer on the ears

I already made one but it isn't that satisfying

[azure nimbus]

the secret sound effect has always been kinda "custom". Not in the real original oddly enough

[vale gyro]

I mean custom as in not the one heard in Woof

I don't use it because it just hurts my ears

[azure nimbus]

Make it a Romero quote

[vale gyro]

I might honestly

just as a joke

[cloud talon]

chaingunners always have less health than I think they'll have

They look like they'd be tanky but they still only go down in a couple of shots from the chaingun

[azure nimbus]

then having less health than lost souls is wild

[vale gyro]

wait what?!

[mellow matrix]

it's not the chaingunner's fault

lost souls have way too much fkn health

[cedar yacht]

Could someone recommend me a cool mod with cool guns but without modern guns?

Which has its own mapset

[azure nimbus]

imps have 60. Chains have 70. Lost souls have 100.
Shotgun does 70 on average

[azure nimbus]

idk if it's exactly what you're looking for because they're only visual changes, but Preacher has 6 or 7 levels and magic themed weapons

[honest vapor]

Dw, it just takes practice and time to beat those maps

Eventually once you play enough you get scared more by the maps with fewer enemies than the maps that have tons of them

[chrome yew]

Someone name a random doom mod (that I can record for YouTube) and I’ll make a video

[ruby trout]

Has anyone beaten the icon of sin?

[lunar rune]

City in Chaos

By mod do you mean any map ?

[lunar rune]

I think most people talking here have

[ruby trout]

Ok

How about the cyber demon without god mode.

I have not

[celest coyote]

Whispers of Satan

[vale gyro]

countless times

I really only struggle with the Mastermind in certain cases

[ruby trout]

Me to

[vale gyro]

I never god mode in an actual playthrough of anything

[ruby trout]

Wow

Sometimes I use it

[vale gyro]

Scythe 2's map23 was beating me into the ground, though

had to save scum through it

and probably map24 as well

[ruby trout]

In doom 2 master levels or doom 1

[vale gyro]

Scythe 2 is a megawad for Doom 2

[ruby trout]

Who is your favorite character from doom

[vale gyro]

dunno

I hate revs, though

[hexed escarp]

archvile

probably a lot of peoples favorite

[vale gyro]

I like him only for his death sound

I don't exactly like fighting an archie

[ruby trout]

Me to

[hexed escarp]

he's certainly scary but in a well designed fight he is very fun

[hexed escarp]

but yeah all of the archvile sounds are amazing

[ruby trout]

I like the cyber demon because he can defeat the mastermind in the level gotcha

[vale gyro]

I honestly forgot about that level

the cyber on Tricks and Traps is more memorable

[ruby trout]

I will play that level right now

On PlayStation

5

[vale gyro]

no wonder why you have such a hard time in Doom

[ruby trout]

It’s true

[hexed escarp]

i should probably finish doom 2, i never actually finished it. I eventually got to map27 but was getting very very bored and annoyed with the level design and i was already diving into custom maps by that point and they were just much more interesting

[vale gyro]

Seriously?

well, that's actually somewhat similar to what I did

[ruby trout]

So did I

[hexed escarp]

i actually find that i struggle to finish stuff in general lol

i finished ultimate doom, sigil, eviternity, and eviternity 2

i got to map27 of doom 2, map23 of plutonia, and map23 of scythe, and map29 of scythe 2

so i could probably finish most of those with not too much trouble

[ruby trout]

What difficulty should I do

[vale gyro]

HMP

[ruby trout]

Ok, I’m trying to look for the cyber demon

[vale gyro]

the cyber is in the same room as the invulns

[ruby trout]

Thanks

Want to be friends

[vale gyro]

I don't usually accept friend requests on Discord so not at the moment

[ruby trout]

Okay

[vale gyro]

probably

you're more skilled than me that's for sure

[hexed escarp]

ehh i use a decent amount of saves

[vale gyro]

oh

[hexed escarp]

i dont save during fights most of the time

[vale gyro]

well, I try not to scum until I just get fed up

[hexed escarp]

but pretty much between every fight

[vale gyro]

then I start saving after every other fight

and then if I die even more, every fight

[hexed escarp]

i dont really consider it savescumming until you are saving during a fight

[vale gyro]

fair

[hexed escarp]

for now im just playing to have fun and experience the maps and fights but eventually il start trying to practice and play stuff without saves

[vale gyro]

also

how bad is map24 of Scythe 2?

map23 was a pain even with saves

ironically I died less times on the final fight than I did on the first

[hexed escarp]

its much less hectic

[hexed escarp]

oh yeah the final fight is really not that bad lol

[vale gyro]

I didn't notice the exit at first so I died a bunch

then I realized where it was and just ran spamming BFG

[hexed escarp]

basically in map23 its just like out of the frying pan and into the fire and then out of that fire and into another fire and then another

but with map24 there is some breathing room in between

[vale gyro]

oh, ok

so I should be fine on 24?

[hexed escarp]

there are definitely some brutal fights dont get me wrong

and its longer

wait so before you start saving every other fight are you just not saving at all?

[vale gyro]

yeah

I don't pistol start, though

[hexed escarp]

ah

yeah i prefer to pistol start, i actually find it less stressful

i dont have to stress as much about ammo and health because they will always be reset at the end of each map

and if i screw up my save file somehow im not losing the entire playthrough but just that map

[vale gyro]

I back stuff up like crazy so I'm fine

though I find pistol starting harder because of a lack of weapons

I prefer to have my arsenal avaliable to me

I'm also one of those people that like progression that doesn't get wiped

why I hate extraction shooters

[hexed escarp]

it is definitely harder

but it is also what the map was balanced around and tested with the majority of the time

[vale gyro]

I might honestly try that one NM map Decino helped on

forgot it's name, sadly

[hexed escarp]

not even remotely fair

[vale gyro]

ah

should I try it to have a buffer from Scythe 2?

[hexed escarp]

If you want

[tropic heath]

Anybody willing to run nightmare in classic doom ? Need it for the 100% platinum trophy

[hexed escarp]

Oh god I just want to find a playthrough of eternal doom on YouTube but it’s impossible

[dim arch]

bro

the flesh wall thing in deimos lab is fuckin terrifying 💀

[vale gyro]

the fact I keep dying to the first map on NERF is making me sad

my movement is so off it's insane

y'know what, I should probably get used to fast monsters before I play NERF

doesen't help that my reaction time is about 5 seconds

[chrome yew]

Nope, a modded wad

[vale gyro]

yep, completely unable to play NERF atm

[vale gyro]

so.. gameplay mods?

[chrome yew]

Well I mean any, whether it’s a modded map, or gameplay wise, any (appropriate yt) mods are fine

Well… one other thing, I am using prboom source port

[vale gyro]

you ain't really getting any of what you're probably looking for with PrBoom

wait, PrBoom or PrBoom+?

eh, probably doesn't matter

you could maybe try REKKR

don't know if that's what you're looking for but well

[chrome yew]

Nothing specific, just a random recommended one

[vale gyro]

Turbo pinkies..

well, the fact I actually beat map02 surprises me

[dry ferry]

today i learned that the default midi devices for doom source ports are not accurate to the sounds of how the music was originally composed

i have been playing doom wrong this whole time

[hasty bough]

does anyone else think the fixed sprites are better than the originals?

[dry ferry]

what fixed sprites

[azure nimbus]

The sprite fixing project is a fan made thing that...fixes some of the issues of the sprites: Some sprites have holes in them that are transparent. There are also correct rotational sprites for the zombies that have existed from the early days but were simply never added into the final game.

[indigo hull]

in og doom did they ever design the bottom/top of the cacodemon

[void hemlock]

also IIRC the chaingunner sprites when firing from the different angles are not positioned properly, and moves disproportionately as a result of the sprites not being centered

[lunar rune]

Nothing has a bottom/top probably because they assumed you'd probably never see them like that

[lunar rune]

Man, where's . HARMONY. guy?

[hexed escarp]

but what do you mean by "modded"

mod just means a modification to the game files, so maps are "mods"

[obtuse tiger]

is nessesary to play the fourth episode because of the story line ?

[void hemlock]

yes

[azure nimbus]

the story line? Could you tell me like...2 events in the story? Or dialogue? Play what you like. The order it was released was e1, e2,e3, doom2, then e4. So maybe go in that order if you're having trouble

[void hemlock]

just play everything in order from the games

[mighty walrus]

@dim arch How far into D1 are you currently?

[dim arch]

I just finished inferno yesterday

Killed the spider mastermind

I think there one more

[mighty walrus]

Oh you're to the last then

[dim arch]

Dam

[mighty walrus]

yup!

[dim arch]

I thought that was the end

[mighty walrus]

Excited for you fr. I looooove 1 and 2

[dim arch]

Whats the add ons

[mighty walrus]

I've been playing them for about 25 years and it still holds

[dim arch]

Are they mods or something

[dim arch]

Yeh, the retro games hold a certain charm to them

[mighty walrus]

WADs that Bethesda offers. You need the Doom Classic unity port

[dim arch]

Idk what that is

I'll deal with all that after I finish

[mighty walrus]

Yeah I can tell u about it later if you feel like doing them. I'm guessing you didn't play 2 yet right?

[dim arch]

Which quake should I get

[dim arch]

No I didn't get that

Only 1993

[mighty walrus]

Ok bet

That could be your next one. It's real cheap too

[dim arch]

Ok

[mighty walrus]

Also sent u a friend request rn

[dim arch]

Ok

Which doom games u got?

[mighty walrus]

All of them

[dim arch]

Dam

All I want is the dark ages and, doom 3

[mighty walrus]

I've been playing through 2016 this week. I finished but I'm back in gathering all collectibles that I missed the first run through

[dim arch]

And kinda wanna branch off of doom into games like Wolfenstein

[mighty walrus]

Yeahhhhh Wolfenstein is king

[dim arch]

It's fun when u get the infinite ammo mod

[mighty walrus]

Haven't gotten that

[dim arch]

O

I can't wait for the summer sale

I've been waiting so long to get doom 3

[mighty walrus]

I missed a LOT of collectibles in 2016 apparently lmao

[mighty walrus]

I just bought it literally this week

[dim arch]

Because I heard the main theme in the fortress of doom

[mighty walrus]

Haven't started yet

[dim arch]

And I knew I had to get that

That main theme is the main reason I'ma get doom 3

Thank god the fortress of doom showed that

[mighty walrus]

Doom 3 is only $10 on Steam

[dim arch]

I'm in CA

So it's like $13

[atomic wigeon]

hi quick question how do I 2 shot the cyber demon im watching a secret guide for sigil 2 and i can never 2 shot the cyber with the bfg I dont get how im not doing it correctly but it always requires me upto 5 bfg shots

[ruby trout]

Look for the weak spots

Wait no, just shoot it with a bfg until it dies

[vale gyro]

You need to be in the cyber’s face so all tracers and the ball hit the cyber

I don’t really pull it often so I don’t know any specifics

[mellow matrix]

That's basically it. Wait for him to shoot his second rocket, and then you want to shoot your BFG shot while dodging his third rocket and stepping toward him. It doesn't always happen, but if you send him skating backwards that's usually an indication that he took full damage and you just need to repeat the process one more time to kill him.

[azure nimbus]

Load up e2m8 with idkfa to practice fighting cybers: The The bfg has a few phases:

1. pull trigger
2. time elapses
3. BFG ball fires and tracer angle locks in
4. When ball lands, direct damage is dealt(about rev health on average
5. Time elapses
6. mega shotgun fires from your person in the direction where the tracer angle was locked. This is where the majority of the damage comes from. about 2000+ damage. You need to be practically kissing the cyber for full damage. Your angle is irrelevant at this point. Only where you fired the ball initially

The timing is just after the cyber fires his first rocket, you pull the trigger. Check a decino video for a more visual explanation. A lot of it is timing but a lot is understanding what happens

[fresh dome]

does anyone knows from where i could download the doom games? (from doom 1993 to doom 64)

[void hemlock]

All of them are on Steam

(Except for DOOM PSX, that’s never received a port or rerelease somehow)

[fresh dome]

ty

[celest coyote]

Once the cyber fires his second rocket, pull the bfg trigger to charge it up, then dodge the third rocket and push up close to get both the ball and tracers their maximum damage potential. If done properly, all cybers die in 2 bfg trigger pulls

[hexed escarp]

the bfg does more damage the closer you are to it, so shortly after the cyber fires its first rocket, begin firing the bfg, then run up to him snaking past the second and third rockets so that the bfg goes off when you are direclty in front of him

if you time it right it will blast him before he would have the chance to shoot again and kill you

[finite crag]

My dad played doom

Cool

[cloud talon]

why did they flip the doom 2 box art on the title screen?

I never noticed that

[modest hearth]

GUYS WHERE IS COCADEMON

[hasty bough]

zombiemen suck lol xd

[fresh dome]

ty 😭 steam keeps lagging for me for some reason

[lunar rune]

E2M1 on UV and I believe E2M3 on lower difficulties

[lunar rune]

They suck so much you had to make them your profile picture huh

[modest hearth]

dude he ran away when i told him i am going to make him cocolate milk

why?

[azure nimbus]

That caco is there on HMP as well, just not on easy

[lunar rune]

Ohhh alright

[azure nimbus]

I just checked the wiki. I've never actually played HMP

[quick marsh]

Does anyone here know where I can find the PSX Doom?

I tried looking for the wad but all I'm finding is dehacked patch wads for it

[quick marsh]

The version that has this map https://youtu.be/--YSSUuv6lg

[lunar rune]

Check archive.org, it might have it

[raw vortex]

What doom mod do you think is valid brutal doom project brutality or vietdoom

[vale gyro]

you only miss out on the convenience

you can get every single Addon in the Unity port on either the iDGames Archive or some other website (like Romero's)

[vocal summit]

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=16480

[azure nimbus]

if you're talking about missing out on custom content, source ports are absolutely the way to go. Sure it takes an extra literal minute to search and download stuff -- but everything people have made in the last 30 years is available, not just the handful of options that Bethesda/ID approved of

[wheat osprey]

When does the first doom take place? Like what year

[hasty bough]

y e s .

[hasty bough]

It supposedly takes place in March of 2022.

[wheat osprey]

And the second game

[hasty bough]

Im not exactly sure

[wheat osprey]

Eh

[static parrot]

i really wish the xbox one classic ports didn't have weird audio on headsets.

i have to turn mono audio on to make it sound right

[vestal cargo]

Is it possible to get old save files back in doom II on xbox?

I'm currently on level 29, and I'm softlocked on the part with the 3 buttons, I have 13hp and can't switch platforms due to the lava killing me instantly

[vale gyro]

you could just pistol start the level as map30 gives you everything you need to finish the game

it’d be a pain to do 29 pistol start but it’s more than possible

for your actual question, if Xbox has a manual cloud save feature (as in you manually back up and load save data), maybe

I’ve never owned an Xbox so I wouldn’t know

[uncut island]

Does anybody still play Doomseeker? (Doom online)

[vale gyro]

What port were you even using?

[zenith berry]

a friend of mine hosts private(ish) co-op sessions there

[vale gyro]

That’s why you’re getting such low frames on that map..

Even my main rig only gets like 10 FPS on those maps using GZ

If you wanna run those maps at good frame rates, consider something like PrBoom+, which is known for handling a lot of things on screen at once

GZ isn’t built for maps with that many enemies

If I could test things out, I would see if I can get a boost of FPS messing with settings on GZ but I currently can’t

Also, the test may be inaccurate just due to my system possibly using a bit less RAM than your laptop due to the fact that I run a WM rather than Mint’s default DE’s

And hardware differences, too

[vale gyro]

I’m assuming you’re using your laptop due to you mentioning a lack of a dedicated GPU

I’m also assuming you haven’t changed your DE

[uncut island]

Y’all have any co-op servers to play

When I log on there’s like no good servers

[vale gyro]

All of them require GZDoom, sadly

Desktop Environment (MATE, XFCE, Cinnamon, etc.)

WM standing for Window Manager

Ah

my Linux-top is more of a project of mines than anything else so playing games on it is not really a concern to me

Anyways. I’d say tinker with settings until something works I guess

I can’t really help at the moment as I’ve mentioned

On vacation

They might

I don’t use ZDoom-based ports often, gameplay mods even less often

You could try, wouldn’t hurt

Most of what I use and play wouldn’t even run on the laptop period

But yeah, I wouldn’t game or even program on Linux personally. Language I use is meant for Windows development anyways.

Like 3 gigs of usable ram is all I can remember

Integrated graphics, too

[uncut island]

Do you have a doom and doom 2

Wad

You wanna make a server or join one?

What do you mean you don’t have nothing to do it?

[celest coyote]

How did a baron get on a computer? This could be trouble

[frozen grove]

ima try and run project brutality in vr

I may have to leave out some keys and actions though

such as the dash and maybe the kick or taunt

[lethal sedge]

Still waiting for GZDoom to finally ditch that old OpenGL API and merge with VKDoom to see a bit of improved performance alright. Not that my PC is old or anything but I get a little fixated on my FPS on some more demanding maps and mods

Would also be nice if Zandronum supported Vulkan too but eh, things come slow and I'm oddly patient enough

[lethal sedge]

Yes it does, but its integration of Vulkan is currently not the best in optimization

VKDoom has improvements, I can recall plans to merge GZDoom with VKDoom to get that improved performance, though OpenGL will also be axed too from what I've read. Well considering GZDoom has been making steps to focus more on modern hardware, that's to be expected

[dense jetty]

What kinda demanding maps and mods?

[zenith spade]

hi i have a question about gzdoom on linux

it uses llvm pipe for rendering

so it is very slow

GL_VENDOR: Mesa/X.org
GL_RENDERER: llvmpipe (LLVM 15.0.7, 256 bits)
GL_VERSION: 4.5 (Core Profile) Mesa 22.2.5-0ubuntu0.1~22.04.3 (Core profile)

using the windows version works much better using NVK

any ideas how to fix this

i'm using the nouveau driver

[void hemlock]

who the hell thought E4M1 in Heretic was a good idea

[void hemlock]

who the hell thought episode 4 in Heretic in general was a good idea

[celest coyote]

Who the hell thought Sigil 2 was a good idea?

[median cloud]

Is there a classic doom mod that uses headshots?

[celest coyote]

I think Brutal Doom does? But it’s been forever since I played with it

[woven wasp]

Just finished MAP09 of my doom wad, would anybody here be willing to try it out?
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/132011-gregs-gargantuan-gadventure-of-glory-gaffes-and-garbage-v060-map09-is-here/

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613822982627786836/1251982548863553738/map09screenshot_1.png?ex=66708f1c&is=666f3d9c&hm=feec51fe4807cd849acbecfc9c195c7997d5b84d7fb30375ea57426e47dc16dd&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613822982627786836/1251982549350088704/map09screenshot_2.png?ex=66708f1c&is=666f3d9c&hm=8c8b8f7c8bd923a6da7635622eee0e5e6e0e82a20e4b36f12b158d24b26c55d9&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613822982627786836/1251982549954072637/map09screenshot_3.png?ex=66708f1c&is=666f3d9c&hm=b60c938625032e6f7313dab57bdc8c8bf1cc39cdb40cc2282b87096289098757&

[median cloud]

I thought Project Brutality did as well but it doesnt seem to work

[glossy lichen]

hey does anyone here have an issue with GZDoom where if you try running it with the vulkan renderer, the floors and ceiling don't render? is there a fix for this?

[silk anchor]

i never even made an account but i got banned of doomworld

[void hemlock]

how the hell

[woven wasp]

i can just DM you the MEGA link to the wad, will that work?

[silk anchor]

Yes

@woven wasp

[eager solstice]

Anyone playing plutonia 2?

[cursive cipher]

What do you guys consider to some of the most influential or significant early shooters ("Doom clones") to play for people interested in the history and the like?
So far I have Strife, Heretic, Hexen, Rise of the Triad, and Duke Nukem 3D
(And Quake but I've already played that lol)

[hexed escarp]

why does scythe 2 map29 have to be so bad

i just want to get to the supposed awesomeness of map30

[finite crag]

how do i leave the finished screen on doom 1993 on PC?

[hexed escarp]

which finished screen?

what did you just finish?

[finite crag]

the hangar

[hexed escarp]

and what are you playing on (steam version, source port, console)

[finite crag]

steam

i tried esc

i tried tab

[hexed escarp]

its probably space

[finite crag]

oh lol thx

[hexed escarp]

yeah it is space

[finite crag]

wtf is the blue orb

[hexed escarp]

soulsphere

adds 100 to your health, no matter what it currently is, bringing you up to a maximum of 200%

[finite crag]

What does it do?

[finite crag]

oh nice

[azure nimbus]

the blue bars don't even work right

or maybe yellow

[hexed escarp]

i think its yellow

the ones you can just walk over

[vast reef]

marathon, blood, shadow warrior

[finite crag]

i beated knee deep in dead with nightmare

[hybrid vigil]

Damn

[ivory quarry]

hey

do u guys know how to make the jump on doom2 ?

[coarse cradle]

The second level? You gotta sprint

[ivory quarry]

yes i know but i dont seem to make the jump

:-;

[coarse cradle]

Sprint harder

[ivory quarry]

alr

[hasty bough]

lol

[azure nimbus]

in the room with the orange building? You'll move faster when traveling diagonally

[median cloud]

What Doom 2 are u guys talking about lol can't remember an orange building in underhalls

[azure nimbus]

orangey brown

with the key and the TP

[median cloud]

ah to get into that building? Enable always run

[untold burrow]

Anyone here just get the urge to listen to the soundtracks on the stereo while driving and get a sudden urge to play classic doom/doom II while driving?

[void hemlock]

I listen to Doom 2016 and Eternal

[lunar rune]

Those cars with built in screens and tablets can definitely run DOOM

[untold burrow]

Anything can run doom if you know how to reprogram/wire everything up correctly

Point made with that one dude who ran classic doom using potatoes

[void hemlock]

and don't forget the pregnancy test

and in windows 10 task manager

and in a rat's brain

and on HUMAN GUT CELLS

[lunar rune]

Definitely, I just meant like by themselves

I remember someone playing Pokemon Emerald in their Tesla

[wintry jacinth]

e

idk why i said e

[urban trench]

FInally beat Eviternity. What next?

[hexed escarp]

eviternity 2

it picks up right where the first one left off

[fervent plinth]

Is it dumb that I prefer to play doom on the GZdoom engine with the wad I got with BFG Edition?

[vale gyro]

No. Ports exist for a reason.

I don’t personally like GZDoom but it doesn’t mean anyone’s weird or dumb for using it.

If you have fun with the game, that’s all that matters, really.

[fervent plinth]

Ah

Also doom is one of those games that'll always be there for me when I'm feeling down in the dumps, makes me feel really happy

[vale gyro]

First episode of Doom 1 does that for me

[fervent plinth]

My dad is the one who introduced me to doom which I'm absolutely grateful for

My favorite classic weapon is surprisingly not the BFG 9000, But the plasma rifle

[vale gyro]

SSG for me

Plasma rifle is annoying for me to use sometimes

Tangerine Nightmare’s plasma replacement is good

Might honestly make a WAD of sound replacements that make it easier on the ears

Already did for the secret found ping

Sadly the replacement I made isn’t as satisfying

But it’s a lot less straining on the ears for me

[celest coyote]

Sunder 🌚

[lunar rune]

CChest 2-4 for me. First megawads I ever played

[hexed escarp]

is memento mori 2 any good?

[lapis wolf]

I know it'll often get replaced with the DOOM 3 sounds

[void hemlock]

I already regret playing Hexen

The native software-rendered camera movement for mouselook makes me sick and I just have to live with that, plus be situated with platforming with jumps like that with the weird mouselook

how did you people live with this

[cloud talon]

Titan Manon from master levels for doom 2 is genuinely one of the worst levels in the series

It's a tiny map with a par time of 30 minutes

[unreal smelt]

im on E4M2: Perfect Hatred 💀

rn

i hate it

[cloud talon]

The entire map is just finding random obscure secrets until you can get to the exit

[cloud talon]

I think that map is the hardest in the entire game

[unreal smelt]

i hate it

[azure nimbus]

It certainly is not

Is it fair to players who don't know secrets? no

[unreal smelt]

ive died more on e4m2 then all of the boss fights ive done so far

[cloud talon]

None of the bosses are particularly difficult

[unreal smelt]

theyre more tedious than anything

[cloud talon]

Spider mastermind might be difficult without the BFG but with it the final boss of the original game just goes down in three shots

[unreal smelt]

spider mastermind is easy once you kinda figure out how its shooting works

[cloud talon]

Truly a final boss

Does absolutely nothing but shoot at you

[unreal smelt]

i just realised im talking abt the other spider but still it kinda shoots in front of you so it has trouble when youre in cornrs

[cloud talon]

What other spider

[unreal smelt]

the one you fight at the end of e3 in doom 1

[cloud talon]

That is the final boss

[unreal smelt]

weird to not have it at the end of the game lol

[cloud talon]

Episode 4 is a bonus for buying the game physically in 1995

[unreal smelt]

oh lmao

after i finish the first doom im probably gonna do the second one

[cloud talon]

Are you gonna do master levels or final doom?

[unreal smelt]

idk what that is so ill see lol

is that the dlc?

[cloud talon]

Kinda

Master levels is but final doom is kinda its own game

[unreal smelt]

mabye

[cloud talon]

It's a map pack for doom 2 released as its own game

[unreal smelt]

i mean theyre probably not on game pass

[cloud talon]

They come free with doom 2 on modern systems

Actually final doom is included with doom 1 too for some reason

[unreal smelt]

yeah

if i get em with the gamepass xbox dooms then ill play em

[cloud talon]

Final doom does require a Bethesda account

And is listed as two mods

[unreal smelt]

ill see when i finish doom 1

[cloud talon]

There's also no rest for the living, a map pack made for the Xbox 360 and PS3 editions which is also included on the modern versions

But I don't think you should play all them because of how long it is all together

[unreal smelt]

lmao

[cloud talon]

Final doom is two episodes with 30 levels each

[unreal smelt]

oh damn

thats alot

[cloud talon]

Yeah technically they're different games made by different people but they're both final doom

And then master levels is 20 levels that all require pistol start

Final doom is canon but completely skipable but I don't think master levels is canon

[azure nimbus]

The MLs are just some rando maps that ID licensed decades ago. ID didn't make them and they're pretty low quality. There have been far better maps made in the decades since -- there were far better maps even then. I don't necessarily recommend the MLs as they can give people a sour taste that misrepresents the tremendous variety and quality in other custom content levels

Final doom is theoretically similar as ID didn't make the levels, but the quality, particularly of Plutonia, is much higher, if still a "product of the time"

[hexed escarp]

Yeah I can recommend plutonia, it is very fun

It is much harder than doom 2 but the level design is better

[unreal smelt]

against thee wickedly is worse

i gave up on thy flesh consumed, im just gonna say i beat doom 1

[gritty fjord]

i beat thy flesh consumed in hurt me plenty, i saved every five seconds

[rocky hatch]

Thy stink consumed

[finite crag]

Thy food consumed

[median cloud]

Only if you pistol start

[unreal smelt]

whos the person playing the game in the menu of doom 1 and why are they kinda bad at the game

[azure nimbus]

John Romero https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Demo.
The goal is to give a lil foresight into the maps and show a tense experience(take early damage, trudge on slowly) and then fail the level so it's up to you to find the ending yourself. It's not a skill issue. It is the intent of the demos to look that way

[unreal smelt]

ahh alright

[lunar rune]

In Nightmare it is awful.

I never even tried beating E4M2 or E4M6 on Nightmare

[gritty fjord]

ooooh sorry

[lethal sedge]

Technically you did finished Doom 1, as Thy Flesh Consumed was never a part of the original Doom! It was a part of the Ultimate Doom, which was Doom v1.9 basically

And yeah, E4M6 on Nightmare is, well a Nightmare lol. Be glad the achievement for doing Nightmare co-op only requires the original three episodes

[lethal sedge]

Pretty much. The demos when you play the game are not to showcase super skillful gameplay. It's just to showcase the game more or less with a bit of action going

Now if anyone does want demos showing skilled gameplay, well that is what the Doom speedrun community is doing!

[fervent plinth]

Guys I found a few 3.5 floppies. Should I put some WADS on em?

And are there any wads that are 1.44mb

Actually I'll double it and try and get my hands on an old MS DOS computer (ah finally, a windows system Microsoft can't spy on me with)

[cursive cipher]

Why is NRFtL there lol

But yeah it's Doom 1 > Doom 2 > Doom 64

Guys
I had a moment
Why do hitscanners have their autoaim fuckable like yours but projectile demons can just shoot at you?

[junior ridge]

I beat the whole game on nightmare, it was a while ago and my dad told me to do it.
I didn't regret a thing

Because i then beat the game on all the other difficulties cuz i was bored and then my dad showed me Doom 2.

And i beat that on nightmare 😭

Doom 64 was on ultra violence and doom 3-eternal is also ultra violence

Wait no

Doom 3 had no difficulty i think

Lemme check

[marsh solar]

funny i watched a vid explaining nightmare, was made bc people kept complaining even UV was too easy so they made nightmare literally practically impossible as a "aight bet" lol

[junior ridge]

I did doom 3 on veteran

Which is basically ultra violence

[junior ridge]

UV is difficult

Nightmare is just harder

[marsh solar]

some people still said UV was too easy apparently

[junior ridge]

They are lying 🤥🤥🤥🤥

I doubt it was easy for them

[marsh solar]

even then nightmare the demons revive occasionally but like the easiest you get double the ammo on pickups

[junior ridge]

For some people it might be easy, like me because i played the first game on Nightmare

And i was around 9

[marsh solar]

ive rarely touched doom so im like the bumbling marine that somehow still manages to stay alive lol

[junior ridge]

The last time i played doom 1 was 17 years ago

[junior ridge]

Hahaha

[marsh solar]

need to finish doom 1 ep2 but uh guess who im at lol

[junior ridge]

Where are you ?

In episode 2

[marsh solar]

cyberdemon

[junior ridge]

I tried beating eternal on UN, i died after 2 missions because of a cacodemon and a hell knight ganging up on me

[junior ridge]

Damn, that was really really hard tbh

[marsh solar]

yeah

[junior ridge]

Especially on nightmare

Wait what difficulty are you on?

[marsh solar]

hurt me plenty, flat out middle ofnthe road, im not that masochistic lol

[junior ridge]

Aight

[celest coyote]

Go ham on the cyberdemon and beat his ass to a pulp

[median cloud]

It depends, classic doom on uv is pretty easy. Plutonia can be tougher and pistol starting also heavily increases the difficulty

[marsh solar]

this was the og games i think

[median cloud]

I would have a completely new player who has never played doom before, play on UV

Maybe hmp if they have 0 fps experience

[lapis wolf]

Unfortunately not everyone is Decino

[merry nacelle]

Anyone know a mod like DOOM rpg which DOESN'T add any leveling system/complex gameplay?

Leveling system is fine, just don't want the mod to be too conplex

[void hemlock]

Because it's an official expansion

[void hemlock]

there is difficulty levels, but only 4. Nightmare mode is radically different

[void hemlock]

I admit Doom 1 and 2 IMO is kinda easy but that's probably because I've gotten used towards the difficulty

[junior ridge]

Yeah i know, i completed it in veteran difficulty

Which is basically UV

[median cloud]

They are pretty easy especially if you play them as a campaign. Plutonia can be a bit tougher

[lunar rune]

Doom 1 and 2 especially are easy doing continous play

[celest coyote]

Or ArchCynic

[lapis wolf]

Or ArchDecino

[void hemlock]

Or Decynic

[lapis wolf]

How TF did I respond to you in a different server at the same time you responded here

[void hemlock]

you mean channel LUL

Also yeah that's funny

[lapis wolf]

Tru lmao

[celest coyote]

The Potara fusion

[celest coyote]

If we did the Fusion Dance

[lapis wolf]

Do it

[cloud talon]

I've noticed that nearly every time I quicksave in the 2019 remaster the menu audio will continue to play in game

So literally every time I move forward or backwards doomguy will start grunting for no reason

[fervent plinth]

Boys! I did it! I bought a Toshiba satellite laptop running windows 95

[fervent plinth]

Is 8mb of RAM good enough for doom btw

[vale gyro]

It literally runs on a lawn mower, I think 8MB is fine

[fervent plinth]

How do you install doom wads on an old windows 95 system?

Like a homemade doom install disk

[vale gyro]

As in custom maps?

Also, depends if you’re using Doom 95 or not

I know squat about Doom 95

[fervent plinth]

Ayy thanks! This could help a lot

[void hemlock]

[abstract garden]

I think you can just copy the wads on a cd and the copy the wads from the cd to the doom95 folder. I'm not familiar with Doom95, I play Doom in DOS.

[pliant mango]

Me when rocket clip through walls because of weird coding

https://tenor.com/view/sapari-sapari-cat-sapari-cat-fling-fling-cat-fling-gif-23898007

[finite crag]

Is there mod for consoles where you can play ps1 doom?

[fervent plinth]

I was planning on copying the files for the DOS version Anyways

[abstract garden]

I installed it from floppies. Beautiful sounds.

[fervent plinth]

Pretty sure I won't have any problems since windows 95 is just DOS

[abstract garden]

Yeah you need to shut down your computer into ms-dos mode

[fervent plinth]

Yep

Now all I need to do is learn how to create an install disk, luckily if it needs multiple I just ordered 10 3.5 from amazon

[hollow trout]

how hard is doom 2 on nightmare?

[fervent plinth]

I have final doom for PS1 and it's absolutely insanity

Even on the easiest difficulty

Even without the rock music this is genuinely the best console port of doom created

Honestly I might play it today and won't turn off my PS1 until it's done

[vale gyro]

I have the install files from the Titanium Seal Doom 1 shareware disks if you need them

You’d need two diskettes for them

The non-shareware version needs a couple more diskettes

[azure nimbus]

do you have a clip of that? Rockets shouldn't be able to clip through walls

Baron fireballs, manc projectiles, and -fast parameter projectiles can. But none of your weapons should be able to

[azure nimbus]

some levels are fine, but others are some of the hardest challenges you can find on a vanilla game without mods/custom content

[fervent plinth]

Ah. Nice. What about the full game though? I have the wad from the BFG Edition

[abstract garden]

The final doom for the psx is horrible.

[abstract garden]

NIGHTMARE! Yeah it's bad. The monsters respawn every 30 secs. It's like a arch-vile but in doom 1

[abstract garden]

Doom 1: 4 disks, doom 2: 5 disks, ultimate doom: 5 disks

[abstract garden]

They can clip through. Decino has a whole video dedicated to this subject.

[abstract garden]

Internet archive

[fervent plinth]

Oh right

[abstract garden]

I hope I was useful not annoying.

[abstract garden]

1 moment

I can't share the link, but for doom 1 1.2 is recommended.

For doom 2, 1.666 is the optimal version.

Also consider boom as the limit removing source port for sigil

Or something else

[brave valley]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-pog-gif-22171410

[fervent plinth]

Gonna do something fun too, I'm gonna draw the doom logo on all my install disks

[brave valley]

cacodemon 🔛 🔝

[abstract garden]

Ok or print the originals

[fervent plinth]

I was gonna make em look cool

Gonna add the on em

[abstract garden]

Thats right! Don't forget to write to the first disk: go to drive a: or b:
Type INSTALL and press ENTER

[abstract garden]

I just have 120 of those small floppies and 150 of those big boys

[fervent plinth]

I'm so ready to learn to rip and tear the old fashioned way

[abstract garden]

I completed doom 2 yesterday and it was not as easy as doom 1

[fervent plinth]

What difficulty?

[abstract garden]

Uv of course

[fervent plinth]

W

[abstract garden]

I playin' doom not the baby way

[vale gyro]

I could give you game files but not the WAD

Thing is, I don’t have the installer

[fervent plinth]

I'm almost done with 2016 on UV, gonna do classic on UV soon

[vale gyro]

And you’ll be waiting a couple days

[abstract garden]

I'm doing eternal on uv, i'm on level 4 or what, the 4th level

First playthrough

I'm playing with prboom plus in 320x200, because I don't have a mouse in the old pc

[vale gyro]

Nice

[abstract garden]

Yeah

[vale gyro]

That’s what I use when I have audio hooked up to my XP computer

[abstract garden]

Sigil on uv

[vale gyro]

I otherwise use the original executables because I can use the PC speaker

[abstract garden]

The problem is that my motherboard doesn't supports ps2. It's a socket 7

[vale gyro]

Not familiar with that, gimme a second

[abstract garden]

I have a awe32

[vale gyro]

Oh

It’s for CPUs

[abstract garden]

Motherboard platform. The ps2 is the mouse the green thing

[abstract garden]

Yeah that thing

I'm into the technical things lately

So that's why i have more than 200 floppies

[vale gyro]

Jeez

Am I allowed to say I’m jealous?

[abstract garden]

Only 100 littli boys and 140 big chunguses

[abstract garden]

Yeah

But not for the flex

[vale gyro]

The 3 floppies I have (not including the 4 I use to preserve those ones) is the One Humanity floppy by Romero and the Titanium Seal shareware floppies I mentioned

[abstract garden]

The awe32 sells over 300 usd on ebay

[abstract garden]

I have the doom 2 ones and kao and 3m and windows 98 startup disks and verbatin ones

Of course there are no name ones too

[abstract garden]

I'm planning to buy the one humanity ones

[vale gyro]

It’s nice

Comes with the floppy and a pin

[abstract garden]

Is it good quality stuff

[vale gyro]

The floppy’s a floppy

Pin’s metal

And the level is pretty good

[abstract garden]

Can you play it on the original engine or it'll say visplane limit

[vale gyro]

I wouldn’t know

[abstract garden]

Very detailed or not and is it big

[vale gyro]

I only used the XP computer to take the files off of it so I can port it to my main rig with Woof

[vale gyro]

It’s medium sized, not too detailed

[abstract garden]

Use a lan connection

Ok that's fine. It won't need boom

[vale gyro]

My XP computer has no way to connect to the internet

[abstract garden]

Why

[vale gyro]

And even then, it’s not safe to do so

[vale gyro]

I got no extra Ethernet ports in the walls

[abstract garden]

Lan stands for local area network 🤓

[abstract garden]

No don't do that

[vale gyro]

You still need to connect to the router to access it

[abstract garden]

You'll get infected with bonzy

[vale gyro]

I don’t mind doing what I do

[abstract garden]

I thinks you don't but not sure

You can't connect to the internet in dos

[vale gyro]

It’s just inserting the floppy, taking the files off of it and copy it over to a thumb drive, put into main PC

[abstract garden]

You install ethernet drivers and done

Wait it can't acces the big disk

[vale gyro]

It takes at most 6 minutes if both PCs are powered off from the start

[abstract garden]

Oh thumb drives i don't have usb in my system this is why i didn't consider it as a choice

Sorry

Reasonable

[vale gyro]

You’re fine

Systems are from completely different time periods

I was actually gonna put Debian or some other distro on the XP computer

If the BIOS supported USB boot

[abstract garden]

What type of cpu do you have? Athon 64 or p4 of core2duo

[vale gyro]

Some sort of p4 I think

I’m not at home atm so I can’t double check

[abstract garden]

The p4 is slow and hot as a grandma

If it presshot you are fried

My worst joke ever

And how do you play doom on it?

Prboom?

[vale gyro]

PRBoom if I got audio connected

Original EXEs if I only got the PC speaker

[abstract garden]

Because you don't have a ancient compatible sound card

Like a sb16

Or a awe32 or a gus

[vale gyro]

Yeah, I don’t

PC Speakers are charming imo

Only if they come from an actual machine

[abstract garden]

It sounds better for keen or thosr older games

[vale gyro]

I’ll never use it on a modern sourceport on modern hardware that doesn’t have a PC speaker

[abstract garden]

Use opl synth emulation in modern source ports it's a throwback

It sounds original

[vale gyro]

I personally prefer adlib

[abstract garden]

I prefer opl because i have one of those opl3 awe32s

[pliant mango]

I don’t have a clip of it. But I was playing a mod and it happened to me. You can check out decinos video because it explains it.

[abstract garden]

Yeah great video

I was surprised to see that it can actually happen

[hollow trout]

how would you rate the difficulty / 10?

[abstract garden]

It depends on the game

[azure nimbus]

yeah that I watched. Rockets are too large and slow to clip through walls

[abstract garden]

For doom 2, it's like a 8/10

[azure nimbus]

both yours and rev rockets are too big

[hollow trout]

what other games would you consider an 8/10 for reference?

[abstract garden]

It could be a bug in the map idk

[abstract garden]

Between tnt a plutonia

For me

I played uv only

[fervent plinth]

If I actually wanted to build my own classic doom battlestation tower id honestly need to travel to Texas for that

I've heard there's some good old computer stores there.

[abstract garden]

I live in central europe 😢

[soft ether]

hey yall! hows everyone doing on this fine friday?

[hexed escarp]

good!

How about you?

[soft ether]

pretty decent, playing some insanity edged w gz

[abstract garden]

It was late 12 am for me

[soft ether]

It’s currently 4:48am for me

[abstract garden]

Lol

Its 9:48 am for me

[soft ether]

Not too bad brother

[covert talon]

Lmao I beat doom 1993 nee in depth

a

[abstract garden]

Bro i just finished it for the 50th time on uv no deaths

[steady quail]

Lol

I recently play classic Doom

But I Just begining

Sorry for my bad english

I am Brazilian lmao

[finite crag]

?

[fervent plinth]

Lads, my floppies arrive today! I'm gonna make the coolest looking doom install disks ever

[vale gyro]

you can’t really mod the console versions of Classic Doom outside of whatever is in the addons menu

sadly a fault of modern consoles

[vale gyro]

I wanna see them when you’re done

[fervent plinth]

Ya I'll send pics later

[fervent plinth]

Also is it valid that I prefer to play BFG Edition doom II instead of on GZDoom?

[azure nimbus]

what do you like about bfg

Wait -- what do you mean "instead of"? The BFG edition refers to a wad. GZdoom is an engine

[fervent plinth]

I mean for the best vanilla experience

[azure nimbus]

You can run bfg on gzdoom. Either way, neither is all that vanilla.

is there something specific about bfg that you like

[fervent plinth]

I just like how it has all 3 games

[azure nimbus]

it is convenient to have them in one package

Using ZDL and a fanmade port, it's much faster to load up and swap games without sitting through bethesda logos and unneeded online stuff than official ports. Though ZDL won't launch doom3. I don't know how much more doom 3 I'll play though

[abstract garden]

It's a pity that you can't share your art here

[fervent plinth]

[abstract garden]

Play gzdoom with software rendering and filtering off

It makes the pixels look like a low res youtube video

[vale gyro]

still not the same honestly

[abstract garden]

I personally don't like doom 3.

[abstract garden]

Yeah. But you can play prboom plus on a crt with a resolution of 320x200 with 8 bit software rendering mode

[vale gyro]

fair

I personally like playing with Woof on modern hardware

[abstract garden]

I play it that way

[vale gyro]

brightmaps and colored blood turned on

with a Crispy Doom-like resolution

[abstract garden]

I hate colored blood

[vale gyro]

I hate no colored blood personally

I got so used to it that I just cannot play without it

[abstract garden]

320x200 is the resolution of the vanilla dos doom

[vale gyro]

I play widescreen personally

[abstract garden]

Subjective

[vale gyro]

it’s highly subjective

[abstract garden]

I play 4:3

[vale gyro]

I got introduced to colored blood from Crispy Doom

[abstract garden]

Yeah respect personal things

[vale gyro]

and never turned it off

[abstract garden]

I just don't turn it on

[vale gyro]

so I obviously chose to use Woof after I stopped using Crispy

and then use a mod for colored blood on GZDoom for the rare occasion I use it

[abstract garden]

I'm not familiar with woof

[vale gyro]

it’s a nice port

[abstract garden]

Ok

[vale gyro]

made by the same person who made Crispy

[abstract garden]

O use gzdoom for smooth doom

[vale gyro]

probably has the nicest menu of any port

[abstract garden]

I prefer the original menu

[vale gyro]

there’s a vanilla version of Smooth Doom, actually

[vale gyro]

the main menu is the same, but it has an expanded menu similar to PrBoom+

[abstract garden]

OMG

[vale gyro]

also, Woof does support Voxel Doom (minus the fancy textures)

[abstract garden]

Oh i like that but it's confusing for my little brain

[vale gyro]

Woof has it nicely laid out

[abstract garden]

I don't enjoy voxel doom. I like the sprites

[vale gyro]

the menus have full mouse support as well

[vale gyro]

I don’t use it either

[abstract garden]

I use prboom plus or boom

[vale gyro]

I’d say even better than GZDoom’s

[abstract garden]

I use gzdoom for the fancy myhouse and these types of maps

[vale gyro]

it can play most modern WADs (obviously excluding GZDoom maps and mods)

so Boom, MBF, MBF21

[abstract garden]

What's a mbf and mbf21

[vale gyro]

MBF is a port for DOS that became a mapping standard

MBF21 is a more recent extension of MBF

[abstract garden]

Ok

[vale gyro]

infact, Woof is actually based off of WinMBF, a port to make MBF available on older versions of Windows

[abstract garden]

I know only a handful of ports and source ports

[abstract garden]

It's like boom prboom and then prboom plus

[vale gyro]

I’d suppose

I can’t remember Woof’s original name, though

[abstract garden]

Ok understood

[vale gyro]

it got it’s name from an upside down Doom logo

but also took from MBF’s full name, “Marine’s Best Friend”

[abstract garden]

D is not a f in any way

[vale gyro]

second sentence explains it

[abstract garden]

Yeah but a d upside down doesn't look like a f

[vale gyro]

yeah, you’re right

but yeah, it’s a good port

it’s my personal go to

[abstract garden]

I have friends and they're going insane in the group chat and i need to calm them down. 1 minute

Ok done

[vale gyro]

it still uses a software renderer, surprisingly

one of the reasons I like the port as well

[abstract garden]

It's good

You can turn on software renderer in any modern source port

[vale gyro]

I don’t for GZ

[abstract garden]

It's the best way to play doom

[vale gyro]

every other port I do, though

[abstract garden]

I did it

[vale gyro]

Ever tried freelook with a software renderer? Not fun.

[abstract garden]

Yeah

In gzdoom it was a vomit hazard

[vale gyro]

I got toggles for advanced movement in GZ

[vale gyro]

it’s the same with Woof

Woof has it as an optional feature that’s not turned on by default

Crispy Doom also has a feature like that

[abstract garden]

Not like in gz

Boom doesn't luckily

[vale gyro]

meaning freelook, jumping, and crouching

[abstract garden]

I hate all of those

[vale gyro]

don’t worry, I do, too

those toggles are only there for mods and maps that absolutely require them

and that’s rare for me as I try to avoid GZ as much as possible

[abstract garden]

After i launch it for the first time, i just turn them of after a hard reminder to do that

[vale gyro]

GZ’s movement and looks are off for me

I’m really used to how Crispy Doom looks and feels

[abstract garden]

Gu is not bad. It's good but you need to tweak 50 settings before it's playablr

[vale gyro]

for me it’s barely playable

some things you just cannot change

[abstract garden]

Believe me gz is the same with the toggled sertings as the original dos version

And i played that

[vale gyro]

it’s not under the hood by any means

that’s why GZ is not allowed for speedruns

[abstract garden]

I just use it for smooth doom

It works and look decent

[vale gyro]

I actually don’t particularly like smooth doom

[abstract garden]

Hello you absolute legends

[vale gyro]

I can easily play with it

but if I notice it, I notice it

Smooth Doom’s one of those few mods where I really don’t notice it

[abstract garden]

When you know it, it feels better

[vale gyro]

nah, not really

I’m really nitpicky

[abstract garden]

For me

I noticed that

[vale gyro]

yeah, everyone notices that

[abstract garden]

I'm not sure why

Bro we talk more that the 7 days of playing doom 3

That didn't make any sense

And I need to turn on my lights because it's dark

Done and done

[vale gyro]

but yeah, if you like how you play Doom, keep doing it