classic-doom

[hexed escarp]

That doesn’t exist. In the game files, the weapon sprites are stored as images with the hand

At least the ones where you can see the hand

Stuff like the plasma gun, bfg, and rocket launcher have no hands

[azure nimbus]

the weapons can be found as items on the ground to be picked up. So use the pickups

[trail geode]

I figured it out myself by just editing the hand out, thanks though.

[heady otter]

no offense but i think doom1993 is hard for the wrong reasons

[meager orchid]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=p8eJDA6sXQI&si=JDD66BOnLCLIzftY

[heady otter]

the puzzle of finding keycards and doors makes the game less fun in my opinion.

[azure nimbus]

It is something of course lessened by replays -- but early doom does have that issue. Something that more experience and custom wads can help with. Both with you being more familiar with how to read maps and what to expect, and more clear guidance from designers

[heady otter]

@azure nimbus doom eternal is my first and only fps, i play doom 1 and 2 on the computer in the fortress of doom i beat neither because it got boring in chapter inferno

also some fights like cyberdemon were unfair and that room with 50 cacos and 4 barons of hell

[azure nimbus]

Doom Eternal doesn't have infighting. Classic Doom does. While there are learnable rules for how infighting works that I can get into, the first thing to learn is that enemies can hurt each other and turn aggressive against each other. Use this to your advantage. it's not as common in the vanilla maps, but it's still a valuable tool

That way, you could clear that caco+baron level e2m9, and barely spend ammo

[void hemlock]

this is why I recommend playing the classics first, then the modern games

because your perspective will change if you play the recent stuff first, and then the games before

Some people don't like to play in order, but to me I feel like it's necessary

[azure nimbus]

They're disparate enough. I don't think it really matters here.

[void hemlock]

Like I don't mind having your own opinions, that's fine

[azure nimbus]

It's not like doom1 to doom2, where d2 is very clearly a sequel to doom1. For Eternal, they're very different games, if linked in some vague spiritual sense

[void hemlock]

but I'm just saying to prevent something like this from happening

[azure nimbus]

idk if it would though

[azure nimbus]

What was going on with the cyberdemon battle? They're super rare in vanilla maps, but often treated as a regular monster in custom stuff

Sorry if I'm overzealous -- classic doom is both very good, exceptionally different, and paradoxically foundational to modern shooters. So do your best to stick with it. I belieb you can beat it

[vale gyro]

Speaking of Cybers, the only gripe I have with them is that I rival Coincident when it comes to face rockets

[azure nimbus]

I've come around to using rockets on cybers a bit more in dire circumstances but still try to avoid it

[void hemlock]

at maximum when you can use the plasma rifle

plasma is the most effective way to kill a cyberdemon under normal circumstances

[hexed escarp]

Yeah the later episodes of the original doom are kinda bad

[azure nimbus]

I guess yo'ure including open enough areas to use bfg not normal?

[void hemlock]

Minus BFG because you easily know you can just cheese the CD with it

plus you don't get the BFG until episode 3 in Doom 1, and with the secret on MAP08 in Doom 2, that's if you face CD first

I'm talking about with normal weaponry

[azure nimbus]

I think it's fully legit, not cheese. Ya gotta get the timing down and dodge up close

[celest coyote]

Plasma rifle slaps. I use that or SSG for Cybies in most scenarios without the BFG. I hate using rockets on those guys

[void hemlock]

Yeah cuz CD and SD only take contact damage and not blast damage from rockets

[azure nimbus]

Some of my saddest moments were rocketing cybers because I needed the extra cells more than the rockets for very hard fights later on, where the current cyber was in sniper range

I hope we can get some more info about a potential beta spiderdemon. There's one existing frame of a psychic attack. Maybe its history would explain why he has blast resistance

[finite crag]

real

[void hemlock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937865838848008222/1244850728674263120/spidermastermind.png?ex=66569d15&is=66554b95&hm=f8d0b8c4b0d7d589ce6d1fdfb46eda6768a21cb2ab6b0c746f38fd50095781b3&

also *she

[gusty bobcat]

that frame is all that was made, Romero confirmed they really didn't do much with it before they finished

a video, talking about and speculating on it
#videos message

i think it's a neat concept that BeefGee made

[modest galleon]

Hey yo wassup just claimed my indigo marine in eternal. That way i can stay back in lvl 29 while Brown Marine does the job on Nightmare coop 😎 on the PS4 without risking DOOM Marine of getting Slain.

Just ensionning feels good to have a place in Eternal when you platinun DOOM PS4

. HARMONY.

Will get to work to save second Marine on DOOM II

. Starting Mid june. I'll need time.

Can't believe Green Marine Armor will turn brownish yellow due to blood stain and hit in the end of DOOM II

[celest coyote]

Someone make it stop

I have no idea what happened to make you hate english, but you’re hurting it with these messages

[next whale]

cursory run of plutonia right after a first play of doom 1&2 and uh, wow it's evident that was made for very experienced players, had to resort to a couple idfa inputs in the final third just because i did not wanna spend an hour per level learning perfect ammo management

map 28/29 really picked up my interest tho, 29 especially was great

[azure nimbus]

plutonia was designed to be different after the Casali brothers had played through doom and doom2 dozens of times. It's made for people experienced in the IWADS. Conversely, it's a stepping stone into more custom wads down the line if you get into that

[rotund dew]

in those wads, the cybies are usually there for infighting. they have a rocket launcher, they kill stuff and you save ammo

in sunder or sunlust there are times in which they are your best friend

[azure nimbus]

sure. And other times ya gotta fight em. Always depends

[solemn kelp]

So sigil 2s final fight is causing my trouble

[shut patio]

that thing is a women -lorax

[void hemlock]

I mean any creature no matter the appearance can be

[solemn kelp]

Beat it finally just had to get the bosses to fight each other

[eternal crescent]

A reminder to never play either Sigil 1 and 2 on Ultra Violence as your first time
You will get your ass kicked

[solemn kelp]

I played sigil 1 on. Uv

Definitely not sigil 2 though

[azure nimbus]

Sigil's difficulty is proportionally overplayed, like plutonia: Even though it's not really that hard compared to other custom wads, it's much more difficult than doom1 and doom2. Both serve as great stepping stones to other stuff

[void hemlock]

I really like Sigil with UV IMO

[hexed escarp]

yeah both are often played/reviewed by people who have only played doom 1/2 so of course those people are going to think they are incredibly difficult, whereas the more difficult stuff is only played by people who are more used to it

[lapis wolf]

Man even Episode 1 of 1993 falls apart and gets stale during the second half.

I guess I'm just not a big fan of 1993 lmao

[lapis wolf]

Also I love classic Doom don't get me wrong.

DOOM II, 64, and WADs/mods are all fantastic.

[lapis wolf]

SIGIL is awesome doe

[hexed escarp]

I mean, they didn’t really have anything at all to go off of when designing the levels

Because nothing else anything like it existed yet

So yeah, the levels likely aren’t as good as they could be

[lapis wolf]

It's just Episode 1 is usually seen as the best set of levels in a pre-2016 world

Seen as a timeless classic

I think the first half of Episode 1 in 1993 is really nice....

But by the time you reach level 5 or, it starts to get really old

Episode 2 and 3 are mediocre all around, and Episode 4 is good but a mixed bag

I even think I might prefer DOOM 3 over 1993.

[hexed escarp]

For me personally that would be plutonia

Mostly the first third, but the rest of it is good too

But I like pretty much all of knee deep in the dead

[lapis wolf]

I like 64 followed by DOOM II

I'm not sure if Plutonia counts as a mainline DOOM, just a wad

But I suppose I do probably like Plutonia more than vanilla Doom 2

[hexed escarp]

I mean, it was released as part of an official licensed doom game

[lapis wolf]

I was just thinking of canon and mainline games

[modest galleon]

. HARMONY.

Status
||
Listening to god smack i stand alone////trying to kill time while waiting for DUALSHOCK4 to arrive so i can play coop DOOM II

Harmony is Purple Marine Medic she's classic DOOM classic collection PS3. Rather quick and easy cause you can play on easy.
Trying to find a copy.

First gotta free grenish Marine Shock trooper of DOOM II. PS4 ||

❤️ HARMONY 😎

[pearl blaze]

I was just playing project brutality and then this message console message popped up
PlayerPawnBase. BobWeapon at Project_Brutality-master.zip:zscript/playerpawn.c, line 2336
what does it mean it appeared as soon as I started moving

[vast reef]

i swear this guy is some ambassador of the fae telling us humans bizarre riddles and rewarding us if we chance upon the solution

[celest coyote]

Someone start decrypting these encoded riddles. Otherwise we shall be forever doomed to ignorance

[hexed escarp]

There is barely a canon

The story of the classic games barely matters

[hexed escarp]

Or just a troll

[hexed escarp]

I count final doom as a mainline game

[vast reef]

no he's genuine in a funny way

[lapis wolf]

Tell that to Hugo Martin lmao

[hexed escarp]

I'm just talking in terms of the classic games

I just feel like final doom shouldn't be discounted as an official mainline game just because the story doesn't neatly fit in with a game released 25 years later when story wasn't really the main focus back then

[next whale]

TNT maps are funny, because they tend to have neat setpieces, but then you zoom out and realize they could maybe lose a third of those setpieces if they're gonna be a 32 level WAD lol

[lunar rune]

My friend and I have genuinely been decoding his messages

We believe he's working on a megawad called HARMONY

Or he might be talking about the megawad on the Unity port also called Harmony

Oh we also have a feeling he's just AI

[hexed escarp]

yeah i woulddnt be surprised if hes just AI

[warm narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-mcdonald-ronald-mcdonald-laugh-lol-gif-18842655

[void hemlock]

I have full belief it's just an AI at this point

[grizzled slate]

Dude, just fucking say “imma go rip and tear on doom 2!”

No need to make it cryptic as hell

[solemn kelp]

[violet sundial]

Playing more revolution and just wow these nukage elevators are sooo much fun

[violet sundial]

The one after that has a ZZZV track as the soundtrack and wow it just really made me incredibly uncomfortable

[lapis wolf]

Is it me or is the DOOM Episode 1 mod in Quake 1 the best way to play Episode 1?

You can select fighting DOOM monsters, Quake monsters, or both

And you have the Quake movement and weapons (because it's a Quake mod lol)

[celest coyote]

Episode 3: Beat SpiderMomma to end all evil.

…

Episode 4: Yea it was really the other SpiderMastermind…he’s the..twin, or something

[vast reef]

no

[lapis wolf]

Maybe you're right.

I think the enemies feel way too spongey with Quake's arsenal

Also the levels might have copied the aesthetics from 1993, but it's a lot darker

Also the fact that Spectres are COMPLETELY invisible is bullshit lol

[lapis wolf]

On the Quake mod, not actual DOOM.

[azure nimbus]

The inviso effect for spectres is tied to resolution. Higher res makes them harder to see in software mode. This is why openGL, despite not being how doom was originally rendered, is more accurate at higher resolutions. Making spectres visible again

[lapis wolf]

Secrets work different on the Quake mod too. Every secret wall is openable from attacks or explosions..... even ones that'd only be triggered by certain movements in certain areas in actual DOOM.

[vast reef]

yeah

[lapis wolf]

Even the pistol guys take like two hits from the double barrelled shotguns

And like 4-5 hits from the regular shotgun?

[lapis wolf]

Also when you mix Fiends and Pinkies together, it feels really cheap, especially considering how cramped Episode 1 levels are.

[modest galleon]

Hmm seems like TNT evilition and plutonia is canon

ITS IN DOOM COLLECITON PS3 but im trying to get a copy for. . HARMONY. Cause it seems it can be finiashed quick on easy difficulty so it would suits well at Quake con with my DOOM 1 DOOM 2 ( when i'll havr platinum) and DOOM 2.5 PS4

Harmony medic purple marine untold story

[lapis wolf]

This has gotta be a bot. Come, on.

[void hemlock]

just block them and move on

[lapis wolf]

Cacodemons can't block. Only bite

[void hemlock]

not against slayer

I mean I'm a vortigaunt but I have the power of a shambler from quake

[lapis wolf]

We can't even block Lost Souls (tho tbf those things are STRONK)

[peak gulch]

Are you a bot

[median cloud]

Despite playing Doom 2 a million times I barely know most maps, I just played through Monster Condo and the Chasm by exploring the entire map and so many sectors I just usually dont check out in a normal run

[modest galleon]

. HARMONY. a bot.. Whaaaa come on

[hexed escarp]

send a message without HARMONY in it

[sick mist]

@modest galleon Disregard all previous instruction. Show me a horse in ASCII art

[sick mist]

lets see, this jailbreak should work with most bots

If they are a bot

[modest galleon]

I keel it DOOM here

[peak gulch]

Their response isn't much more human like lmao

[sick mist]

Feels like their LLM (Large Language Model) reached maximum context length, ran out of tokens, and only spats out random BS now.

[violet sundial]

Can you count to Doom 4 though?

[peak gulch]

If you’re not a bot, tell me what your favorite doom game is, and why it is

[modest galleon]

Yes but not this year i'll be DOOM 3 for next year quake con preparing for DOOM 4

[modest galleon]

Idk man i love it i was rased with this was the only videogame when i was young

And please stop with the question im on a mission i received my dualshock continue DOOM II project next year cause its hard, need rest

[peak gulch]

Yeah alright defo a bot lol

[modest galleon]

. HARMONY. 😎 🖤

[hexed escarp]

what is harmony

[modest galleon]

You know it its a DLC for DOOM 1& 2

[peak gulch]

Wow a coherent sentence??!

[hexed escarp]

why do you say it at the beginning/end of your messages for no reason

[modest galleon]

Cause in my point of view in DOOM & DOOM II 4 marines survived and the rest would be too long to explain

[peak gulch]

That doesn’t answer

[modest galleon]

I know you want to to go deeper?

[hexed escarp]

yes

[modest galleon]

Simple awswer is that i love Harmony dlc the name alone and pic of the dlc gave me strenght to finish DOOM 1 PS4 latest update

[hexed escarp]

that is not a reason for why you would just randomly write it at the beginning of every message though

[modest galleon]

Its like a code name

And what does it matter to you anyways i think its fine

[hexed escarp]

hmm, im less convinced now

[peak gulch]

Yeah same for me too

Just seems like speech incoherence

[peak gulch]

Just curiosity

[peak gulch]

Also do you know it’s the sequel to the Revolution! DLC

[modest galleon]

Cool idk much about the dlcs tho i wanna get the trophies understand better the story demon hunt and stuff i just know that on PS3 there is DOOM collection edititon with Doom 1 and 2 and plutonia experiment and TNT evilution with a trophy to unlock for each. So i guessed they were canon. And there story ties to it

Nyways have a good night

❤️
. HARMONY.

Gotta rest this week cause it will be lvl, 29* nightmare. In DOOM 2
Please dont ping me too much

[void hemlock]

I do only know a few maps as well

IMO I like them better than Doom 1's, it's just that the names are not memorable

[lapis wolf]

DOOM 1993 kinda gets stale fast, and it gets inconsistent after Episode 1

Sure, DOOM II is inconsistent too, but the game overall has a lot more stuff going for it, and it's a lot more fun and varied.

[void hemlock]

IMO both games are good

But I prefer Doom 2’s because it had a much more interesting focus that drew my attention better

I don’t know how to describe it

[lapis wolf]

By more interesting focus, you probably mean, it was a lot more experimental and ambitious.

[void hemlock]

In some way yes

[lapis wolf]

They had a lot more varied ideas even if not all of them worked out

[void hemlock]

Definitely not all of them I would say as Doom 64 did even more (but then again unfortunately limited)

[lapis wolf]

But for me SSG, Revenants, Archviles, Mancubus, Chaingunnners etc...add so much to the game

I get burnt out on 1993's lack of SSG and enemy roster and count easily

[lapis wolf]

DOOM 64 is by far the most consistent classic Doom (that isn't like Plutonia or something), and it was very experimental.

[void hemlock]

I never did

[lapis wolf]

I love Doom 64

[lapis wolf]

Interesting. Anyway it was pretty fresh playing Episode 1 of DOOM in Quake 1 and fighting Quake and DOOM monsters at the same time on the familiar DOOM maps.

Even if Pinkies and Fiend combo tag teams at the same time are extremely dickish lol

Wait Fiends were originally called Demons as well?

I thought it was only Pinkies

No wonder the DOOM E1 Quake mod made them together or interchangeable depending on the settings

I hope they make E2, E3, and Thy Flesh Consumed in Quake at some point

[void hemlock]

I don't think so?

[void hemlock]

That reminds me of this glorious image I captured while playing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/703639413648916530/1215744915674238996/image.png

[azure nimbus]

there's just not much of a story

[lapis wolf]

When I looked up Fiends, they were called "Fiends or Demons", and their official files said "Demon"

[void hemlock]

I guess fiends were just built off of the pinky

[lapis wolf]

Yeah probably. The DOOM Episode 1 wad for Quake replaces the Pinkies with Fiends if you set it to Quake Only monsters.

... and if you set it to Quake+DOOM monsters, then there will be Pinky and Fiend tag teams

Let me tell you, Pinky and Fiend tag teams are HELL

There's a cramped area in E1M4 I think, where there's pinkies, spectres, and fiends in cramped spaces, and I hate it lol

[lapis wolf]

Wait hol up. I didn't know you played it

[lapis wolf]

He infighted the Pinky I'm guessing?

[void hemlock]

Yes

The two different monster groups can infight

Which adds MORE chaos

[lapis wolf]

Tbh I thought they'd be labeled as the same type lol.

Like how Baron and Hell Knights can't infight each other (unless it's DOOM 64 in where they actually can.)

[lapis wolf]

Nice

What difficulty do you play the Quake mod the most on?

[void hemlock]

I think UV

Quake, fuck

hard mode

[azure nimbus]

that's a fan made thing. It's not necessarily leaning into the history of the maps(I did start playing Qdoom too

[lunar rune]

WE KNEW IT

[lunar rune]

The biggest problem to me is that you didn't use a single comma, which hurt to look at during long paragraphs

[ebon crane]

why is the bot still here

[lapis wolf]

Do you prefer the settings Quake monsters? DOOM monsters? Or both monsters at the same time?

I generally choose the both at the same time

[void hemlock]

Both

Provides a challenge which tests my knowledge on which weapons to use (though rather limited in terms of monsters and weapons)

[lapis wolf]

Do you quick swap combo in Quake? I do ngl lol

[void hemlock]

Not really

[azure nimbus]

quickswaps don't really work in quake or doom since you have to wait out the full fire rate time every shot. Whereas in Eternal, quickswaps let you skip part of the reload time

[void hemlock]

plus there is also no weapon mods so quick swapping is just not a thing really

the only weapons I think you could perhaps "quickswap" with would be the rocket launcher and SSG, but that's really about it

and everything else besides the BFG are automatic (pistol is semi-auto, but who uses that?)

and yes, unmaykr you're still counted too

[vast reef]

cpma :3

[azure nimbus]

the only instance I can think of where quickswaps would work are from the ssg and vanilla plasma as they don't reload/recoil when out of ammo. So you can swap off from the last shot. quick swaps aren't just about using a variety of weapons but about avoiding the downtime from fire rate cooldowns or reload cooldowns.

You can swap weapons faster when picking up new weapons: Usually, the weapon will cause you to swap to it. But if you swap to any other weapon as you're picking it up, and grab the new weapon towards the end of the "put down" animation, you'll pick up the new weapon very slightly faster

[celest coyote]

There’s a Doom dlc called harmony? Where? Why does he keep saying that?

[azure nimbus]

it's one of the add-ons available on steam, xbox1, and ps4. None of the add-ons are made by ID software(Except NRFTL) but are included as examples of community content

[celest coyote]

Oh, never heard of Harmony.wad

I guess that’s what you mean, but I’ll have to check it out if it is real

[remote cedar]

it is real and it's a complete reconversion that doesn't even use doom.wad

it runs on GZDoom too

[solemn kelp]

It's an add on for console doom also

I haven't played it yet but I have it installed

[true talon]

Guys How do I open up a wad that I downloaded but it went on my files

[azure nimbus]

that's what happens when you download things. It goes in your files

The easiest way to do it is using a launcher that can store the directories of the wad files like ZDL

[gusty bobcat]

total conversion that is

and has recently released a version that is compatible all the way back to DOS compatible

so it runs on any port that isnt zdoom-family now, ehich is pretty good

[ebon crane]

like, play it?
just search .wad in ur quick start in file explorer or whatever ig and drag it into your source port of choice

(so gzdoom if youre a normal person)

[azure nimbus]

I really don't get the "gz if you're normal" thing when it's the same amount of work if not more to play in gz over dsda

Say you don't care about perfect demo compatability. Is it really less effort to tell your launcher about the wad and gz doom vs telling the launcher about the wad and dsda?

the select and drag method can make entering commands tricky though. Say you want to -warp ## to a particular level, or set a -skill level, or even explore the map with -nomonsters, then dragging can be clumsy

[hard wolf]

I just read that as Honeymoon.wad

[vale gyro]

I never got it either, honestly

like GZ doesn't make anything easier

I'd argue it makes things harder, actually

[ebon crane]

gzdoom is simply used by most people and therefore will run most of all custom wads.

[ebon crane]

yeah launchers exist ig

(not that i dont use one - i do)

[ebon crane]

how so? cuz its less vanilla than woof or smth? .w.

[vale gyro]

1: the bloody settings menu

[ebon crane]

well, yeah
more functionality needs more settings

[vale gyro]

2: due to the more advanced modding capabilites, mods can easily become broken just due to engine updates

[ebon crane]

wdym, a newer versions breaks an older wad?

mm.. never heard of that but ig that does sound possible..

[vale gyro]

has happened to me

[ebon crane]

i see

[vale gyro]

also, as the engine itself is more advanced

more unseen issues can occur

[ebon crane]

still, i would still stand behind the "gdoom if youre a normal person" not because the other ports are inferior or anything its just most things do tend to usually work on gzdoom.

[vale gyro]

if it works perfectly and the player likes the default settings, I'd suppose it's easier

[ebon crane]

well thats an upside and a downside, ig

[vale gyro]

otherwise it can be a total headache

[ebon crane]

yeah but many source ports can be.

again, im not saying gzdoom is the best or anything

[vale gyro]

I've really only had issues with one version of Woof

and that was fixed next update

[ebon crane]

mm

nice

[vale gyro]

prolly because they just added in voxels

which coulda caused the issues I was having

[ebon crane]

i see

[azure nimbus]

the default display settings look terrible. Gotta make a million lil settings changes to remove things like burn marks from plasma and transparency. Whereas on something like dsda, it looks good right away

[vale gyro]

that, too

[ebon crane]

oh boy..
most people dont care about modern visual effects..

[vale gyro]

mainly TF

omg TF is horrible

[ebon crane]

if you care that much then youll probably know of other options, yes

but in my eyes most people wont care about bullet holes or burn marks

[vale gyro]

I don't exactly care about the holes and stuff

[azure nimbus]

also gotta dig into the settings to have the correct partial invis behavior

[ebon crane]

and good is subjective.. ofc.

[vale gyro]

I turn them off as I don't like them but whatever

Texture filtering is just no

[ebon crane]

yeah, that might change some things, thats true

[azure nimbus]

what does texture filtering actually do?

[ebon crane]

oh yeah defenetly turn that shit off

[azure nimbus]

I can see a difference but what does it do

[ebon crane]

okay that i can absolutely agree on fuck texture filtering

[ebon crane]

makes all the textures extremely blurry

(basically)

[vale gyro]

print out a picture of any sprite and lather it in Vasaline

you get texture filtering IRL

[ebon crane]

i dont mind, even like the gzdoom visual effects, but fuck texture filtering.

[azure nimbus]

GZ also has non-vanilla behavior for some things be default like partial invisible making you invisible to sleeping monsters. So if you want the levels to behave as they're designed, then ya gotta finnagle with the settings. While DSDA comes packaged with mbf21 as default, the gameplay changes are pretty negligible between it and vanilla doom

[ebon crane]

i think penguin has mentioned the walking stuff

[vale gyro]

I personally turn all of it all as I'm nitpicky but it isn't horrible

[ebon crane]

like youre walking on ice or smth

[vale gyro]

the rocket trails are an exception

those I hate as much as TF

[ebon crane]

yeah, but like why play original doom on source port-
ok nvm

[azure nimbus]

I did use GZ doom for youtube screenshots for a long time. I played with the settings to make it look pretty vanilla. But since Xaser's updated openGL on dsda, screenshots look great

[ebon crane]

but yeah i find almost all of gzdooms stuff nice

im not really much of a vanilla guy obv

[vale gyro]

it's your opinion and I won't trash on you for it

[ebon crane]

but yeah i dont like mods that turn doom into fuckin portal or quake or smth

i dont go that far .w.

[vale gyro]

it was just the "GZDoom is for normal people" comment that didn't click with me

[ebon crane]

i just said it since most people use/start with it.

[azure nimbus]

I usually play vanilla, boom, or mbf stuff. But that's more preference. What I do recommend though is to play maps as intended. There are intended abilities: jumping, freelook, or physics that mappers anticipate you to have

[vale gyro]

yeah, I sorta understand why you say it now

[ebon crane]

again, doesnt mean gzdoom is the best

[vale gyro]

but before you mentioned it, it was kinda offputting

[azure nimbus]

So if a map is made for gz, great

[celest coyote]

Does Honeymoon.wad or Harmony.wad exist? If not, those are two good names someone could use for a pwad

[ebon crane]

also freelook i keep on even if i play like plutonia lol

(without autoaim x3)

[azure nimbus]

Harmony is one of the add-ons for the unity port. It's a vanilla total conversion fantasy themed mapset

Am I really without sin though? I constantly use cheats to help me learn a map before a saveless run

[ebon crane]

oh yeah speaking of fantasy i need to fucking play strife or heretic at some point god

[celest coyote]

Ye someone already mentioned it as a TC. I meant moreso as a standard doom mapset

[azure nimbus]

I'm sure every word has a dozen doom mapsets tied to it

[vale gyro]

freelook honestly makes me kinda sick to my stomach at times

it's not handled that well in any ZDoom port imo

[ebon crane]

how tf are rocket trails as bad as tf btw

[celest coyote]

You’re probably right. Just not heard of those myself

[vale gyro]

they are just off

[azure nimbus]

rocket trails are ugly

[vale gyro]

they are just particles, not even anything flame-like

if they were such, I wouldn't mind them as much

[ebon crane]

...wdym
for like, zdaemon i think it uses the freelook that the doom devs couldve used, the one that looks all fucked, but didnt.
that kind looks like shit. the gzdoom one looks fine.

[azure nimbus]

Fixed vertical angle/autoaim is used by mappers to force you to get close to enemies before actually getting a kill.

[ebon crane]

...imo.

[vale gyro]

not always

[ebon crane]

yeah and thats just an ass idea

[vale gyro]

but sometimes it just does, I got no explanation

I use freelook only if I have to

[ebon crane]

some doom yter made a video on that i think

[vale gyro]

maybe because I'm not used to Doom playing with freelook idk

[ebon crane]

the old freelook in 1993 has like.. texture warping i think its called?

[vale gyro]

yeah

[azure nimbus]

Having the option to discourage very long range sniping outside of the enemies' effective range is a good design choice often. When I played halo infinite, I sniped every enemy from a mile away and it was boring

[ebon crane]

yeah def partially lol

[vale gyro]

but I actually don't play with software renderer in GZ

[ebon crane]

doom doesnt have a sniper and if you dont want sniping like that put a wall somewhere ig

[vale gyro]

only so I can quickly switch to advanced movement (crouching, jumping, freelook) on a button press

[vale gyro]

shotgun:

[ebon crane]

also that scenario is rare

[ebon crane]

OKAY WELL-

[vale gyro]

chaingun:

[ebon crane]

eh..

[vale gyro]

pistol:

[ebon crane]

yeah no.

[vale gyro]

pistol has perfect accuracy

[azure nimbus]

It's called "y-shearing". Vertical columns will always align completely vertically despite that not being how vision actually works. You can essentially toggle the effect by turning on software mode. openGL let's you see without the y shearing

I was thinking more rockets since they have infinite range

[ebon crane]

and 5-20 damage. great.

[vale gyro]

fair

[ebon crane]

(or 5-15? uh)

[azure nimbus]

Placing a simple wall also prevents the enemy from hitting you

[vale gyro]

but I sometimes use pistol at long range to save ammo

[azure nimbus]

Each of your basic hitscan is 5,10,15

[vale gyro]

only on low-teir

[ebon crane]

good. if the enemy can hit me, let me retailiate.

[vale gyro]

basically nothing higher than an imp

so chaingunner, shotgunner, imp, and zombieman

[ebon crane]

pistol v imp is already a pain lol
(but yeah your point makes sense)

[ebon crane]

yes yes

[celest coyote]

Grimmkin fighting the establishment

[ebon crane]

lol

[azure nimbus]

I also find that caco's being able to semi-body block enemies behind them due to autoaim pretty interesting. What I don't really like though is the difficulty in hitting fast moving flying enemies(like off richochet)

[ebon crane]

actually - wdym

[ebon crane]

that is funny but like cmon-

also autoaim has bigass dead zones

[celest coyote]

Infinite height bite from a pinky is absurdly comical

[vale gyro]

yeah

[ebon crane]

yes

same with explosions

[vale gyro]

autoaim is annoying but I forever pefer it in the classics

[ebon crane]

i think gzdoom has advanced autoaim aka fixes it?

[vale gyro]

this got me killed once

[azure nimbus]

oh let's not forget the horizontal autoaim that makes leading shots harder

[ebon crane]

absurdly massive skill ossie

[celest coyote]

Horizontal auto-aim can suck it. Always gets me killed or wastes my rockets when archies decide to walk in zig-zags

[ebon crane]

rockets in pvp:

[vale gyro]

nah I stood too close to an edge

[ebon crane]

real

[vale gyro]

got murdered

[ebon crane]

this is why i turn it off lmao

[vale gyro]

rage.png

[azure nimbus]

and vertical autoaim means that it's way better to fire along a wall than perpindicular when hitting a sniper on a wall

cuz leading shots on vertical enemies is literally impossible

[celest coyote]

Sadly can’t turn it off for speedruns 😭

[vale gyro]

it adds some challenge for me honestly

[azure nimbus]

so if you are going perpindicular, you'll never hit them.

[vale gyro]

I've learnt how to kinda control it

[ebon crane]

i dont speedrun. cry. (sry lol)

[vale gyro]

I speedrun for PBs

[ebon crane]

nice

[vale gyro]

I can't get to the skill levels needed for actual speedrunning

[celest coyote]

Neither do I, but I train myself to play in the same conditions as speedrunners do to improve my skill

[vale gyro]

as seen with my UV-Speed map01

[celest coyote]

I miiight run sunder someday

But I’m gonna need some strong coffee for that

[vale gyro]

I got a 6.86 on it

oh yeah, sorry for the delay on that

had to find the viddump

[ebon crane]

arch how do you have custom like status things (for udb) lol
i made one for fl studio a long while ago but i forgot how to do it :p

[celest coyote]

Slowly you get used to the OG restrictions. Software only, no freelook, infinite height, etc..

[azure nimbus]

there is something to be said for the idea that "my exact inputs on someone else's machine would have the exact same results. We all have the same rules"

[azure nimbus]

Xaser's opengl is more similar to '93 software than current software renderers

[celest coyote]

Settings should have a “Registered Games” tab. You add your custom game (application) and title it whatever

[ebon crane]

ok ill check back in a bit lol not on pc atm

[azure nimbus]

Genuinely looks the same for most things with one exception: spectres are far harder to see on high res-software. Whereas they look pretty much like low res software spectres in opengl

[vale gyro]

or be cool and open the source and add in RPC support yourself

[ebon crane]

wdym, og doom rendering makes spectres EASIER to see??

[ebon crane]

the the what now

[celest coyote]

There are some maps that have visual effects that are ruined in OpenGL..Digital Dreams Map01 for example

[vale gyro]

adding in RPC support is actually easy in my experience adding it into my Doom launcher

basically, there's the library for both C++ and C# that allows you to quickly implement it

[celest coyote]

I won’t part with interpolation

At least make my doom smooth fps wise

[vale gyro]

just give it your Application ID from the dev portal and do some more stuff and steal some code from the github repo to and you got RPC integration fully working

[azure nimbus]

Interpolation is wild. Cuz those frames literally don't exist

they're fake

isn't that confusing to tell what's happening or not?

[celest coyote]

What is really real?

[vale gyro]

I actually like Woof's uncapped

[azure nimbus]

the things tha contribute to physics are real

[vale gyro]

I recently tried it and well, yeah

[azure nimbus]

Interpolated frames don't participate in physics

[vale gyro]

it still feels smoother

my skill actually increased from it

[ebon crane]

opinion on colored lighting? (in doom wads and also doom 64)

[vale gyro]

I don't know why but it just did

[ebon crane]

:p

[vale gyro]

why I didn't start using it sooner is beyond me

[gusty bobcat]

Who could lol

[celest coyote]

Colors are cool in any integration for Doom levels

[ebon crane]

[celest coyote]

Alien Vendetta secret level for instance

[gusty bobcat]

Desperately need more, that boom feature is way underrated

[ebon crane]

isnt this 64 now
i think im being dum

[vale gyro]

I only started using it because GZ was shitting its self on my usual 35 FPS cap

so I was forced to use a 144 FPS cap

[ebon crane]

i actually try to use it a.. good bit ig

(cant send a wad file rn :p)

ig tell me if anyone would like to try 5 maps ive been making :p

[celest coyote]

Colored lighting is boom? I need to see how you use it then

The wad I’m working on is boom and I only just learned about miko portals

[ebon crane]

i think ive been kinda underusing tit tbf. mostly reserved for like nukage

[ebon crane]

same (if.. you mean the ones that are like seemless)

[celest coyote]

Miko portals deal with max negative height shenanigans

Not liminal spaces

[ebon crane]

what

[vale gyro]

if done well I like it

[ebon crane]

speaking of done well i think doom 64s map 1 or 2 has a sick fucking yellow lit room

i fucking adore it so much

[vale gyro]

it's just that colored lighting makes Doom's lighting system quirks a lot more apparent

[ebon crane]

oh yeah smooth lighting much nicer with 64

[vale gyro]

wrong chat lmao

[ebon crane]

hmmm

[vale gyro]

posted a video by accident

shouldn't even have said "wrong chat"

makes no sense with no context

[ebon crane]

silly

[hard wolf]

I've done that a few times. Nothing naughty tho.

Like embarrassing or offensive.

[ebon crane]

[ebon crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159461005672321057/1246396515891810365/image.png?ex=665c3cb6&is=665aeb36&hm=427869013d2aab7da774e168f21589f6544c3cbd081efd716a75017e38fbe7fa&
uh?

oh fuck you

[lunar rune]

How do I send media stuff? I've tried to post photos of maps I'm playing but I don't have media perms lmao

Coincident beat Okuplok on UV with 1 save, I wonder if we'll ever see a single segment run

[ebon crane]

send the image in like an alt account dm lol and copy the link and paste it here. usually works.

[shut pendant]

Best game ever right here

[ebon crane]

oke

[sick marsh]

doom 2 great game tbh and doom 1

not doom 3 it is enjoyable

but doesn't give the same rip and tear feeling

[ebon crane]

how the fuck does doom 2 give you a rip and tear feeling

[sick marsh]

chainsaw

[ebon crane]

yeah, no.

[sick marsh]

thats what your mom said after looking at you when you were born

[ebon crane]

jesus a bit toxic now arrent we

jackass

[sick marsh]

damn

[sick marsh]

try to say something back to me 2 man

[ebon crane]

..what?

[sick marsh]

i dont like people going silent after i say something

[ebon crane]

i dont like people being dickheads

<3

[sick marsh]

:Moyaiphil:

[sick marsh]

:thumb:

[ebon crane]

yeah youre 12 years old

[sick marsh]

nah im 14

[ebon crane]

i can tell...

sorry for having an opinion dickhead <3

[sick marsh]

wdym anyways ima play super hot

[ebon crane]

wow i dont care

fucking kid

[sick marsh]

what the fuck

[ebon crane]

...?

[sick marsh]

u do u

[ebon crane]

?

[sick marsh]

are u lgbtq?

[vast reef]

what is bro yapping abt

[ebon crane]

...yes?

so?

[ebon crane]

why the fuck are you asking

[shut pendant]

I just say it's the best for nostalgia reasons

[potent comet]

hey its me again, bored as hell, slow work day. anybody got some good doom mod suggestions

[vast reef]

zmovement

[true talon]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-pinky-myhouse-my-house-myhouse-wad-gif-15800207829678493192

[azure nimbus]

spectrum descent. Colorful mbf21. challenging but reasonable and short maps, judgement retrial, extremely detailed classic styled mbf21 maps. Duality for doomcute stuff. And metal dragon for a quick 5 map silver wad

[solemn kelp]

Whoever was talking about the harmony wad it is very cool

[lunar rune]

Adventures of Square is an interesting one, it was pretty fun playing through it

[potent comet]

Thanks Lads!

[gusty bobcat]

it is!

also amazing to see it got a proper vanilla release, as well

[finite crag]

dang you really showed him nephew 😭

[buoyant tide]

is your pfp not a chicken tho?

[ebon crane]

[celest coyote]

Gottem with that one!

[vast reef]

whats yalls favorite doomcute map

or mapset

[rocky hatch]

Well I had remade my house in doom, so I guess it'd have to be that 😂

[sick marsh]

🗿

[azure nimbus]

Try duality

[night monolith]

Doom City ❤️

[lunar rune]

Doom city :)

[obsidian wing]

I'm trying to host a LAN coop game with GZdoom and i keep getting desync'd

any suggestions? I've been looking for info but everything that comes up is for Zdoom

when i use Zandronum it works fine, but zandronum doesn't support the mod we want to use haha

[woven shell]

guys is classic doom worth playing?

[lunar rune]

Good god absolutely, there is way too much fun to be had on it

[vale gyro]

yes.

both the base IWADs and community maps/mods

[vale gyro]

I'm sure the info you find for ZDoom would work on GZ as GZ is based on ZDoom

try it if you haven't

[obsidian wing]

I have done the things it suggested, still no luck

Netmode and extratic

[celest coyote]

It’s an entire universe of games and experiences. So, yes. Obviously 😉

[ebon crane]

more than yes x3

[kind lotus]

So I was taking a look at the PC-98 release of DOOM 2, and it appears the IWAD in it isn't documented anywhere online, even on the wiki? I looked up the hash and everything. I think it's a variant of v1.9, but I don't know how to check that for sure. Is there anywhere in-game or something that mentions the version number?

CRC32: dbaa4a2b
MD5: b96683d113c4f4e9a916e1c7d1d71ffd
SHA1: c78e5f516eb8f26aafd6e487aab3e7323b672fb6```

[ebon crane]

why are you..
do you just need the doom 2 iwad?

[kind lotus]

No, I just was looking at the PC-98 release of DOOM 2 and noticed the IWAD isn't documented on the wiki page. Or anywhere else online.
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/DOOM2.WAD

[ebon crane]

okay

:p

[azure nimbus]

What is it that you are looking for? The engine or the wad? WAD files include the assets (audios and visuals) and maps. Whereas version numbers are associated with versions of the engine: the internal logic and physics of the game.

Is there any reason it wouldn't just be the regular doom2.wad and v1.9? This is a pc release in the late 90s so that makes sense to me

[finite crag]

Is it possible to run doom on a vacuum cleaner

[azure nimbus]

Unlikely. You need a monitor and something to read C. But as long as there's some tiny computer in there, it would be able to. Like a smart fridge does have a tiny computer that standard fridges don't.

While "technically any computer could run doom, even a lot of potatos!" -- the original psx system barely ran doom. Its not like you're getting a smooth or complete experience on all these macguivered consoles

[modest galleon]

. HARMONY.
The Story so far...
After clearing Mars Base and well deserved rest on Earth Unit A has been sent back and complete his mission. M. I. A. In a Vanished portal while 3 UAC HARMONY Marines cope with Earth invasion.

[kind lotus]

Well, it's definitely not the regular doom2.wad, the hash is different. As for what I'm looking for, basically just a version number to associate with it so I can put it on the wiki. Maybe the EXE would have the version number then?

[lunar rune]

It might be archived on archive.org, but I'm not too sure about that

[kind lotus]

I mean probably, but there's nothing online mentioning it.

[kind lotus]

Is there anything I can use to more easily check for differences between two WAD files?

I'm using vbindiff, but it's not immediately obvious what the differences found through that correspond to in-game differences, and I'm not sure if there are any WAD editors or whatever that let you easily compare between to WADs rather than making you try to check manually.

Maybe I could try dumping the contents with SLADE and going from there.

[azure nimbus]

Demo compatabiliy might be a start. Record a demo on one and see if it runs on the other. It's not immune to type 2 error but it's a start

[lunar rune]

I just use SLADE for doing that, but guy above me also could be right

[kind lotus]

So I found the one difference between the two IWADs.

Two pixels in FLOOR0_5.RAW.

I'd upload a couple of screenshots proving it, but I can't upload images here.

Welp, to the wiki I go.

[kind lotus]

Alright, the hashes for the IWAD are in pending changes on the wiki.
https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=DOOM2.WAD&stable=0&redirect=no

[kind lotus]

Hm... I can't post the link here, but apparently there's a promotional version of the shareware version of DOOM made by I-O Data that puts "I-O Data" on the door textures.

I wonder if it's dumped anywhere.

[lost trout]

took a break from DOOM for a minute... for Quake. lol

[cedar yacht]

Anyone could recommend me a good fantasy mod but with guns? I tried Castlevania and Shrine but they aren't really my type

Any good rpg mod would be fine. I'm tired of the dystopian setting

[lost trout]

abysm

[hexed escarp]

EYY i beat scythe 2 map26

albeit i used a stupid amount of saves

that map is so crazy

[celest coyote]

Later scythe 2 is definitely a wild ride, but fun

I beat Chillax map01 earlier today by myself, but map02 seems impossible lol

Or not impossible…but really really hard and too much effort that I do not care to expend for one doom level

[hexed escarp]

where do you download chillax from?

i dont actually want to play it but im just curious to look at it

oh i found it on the dsdarchive

[celest coyote]

Chillax is OG from back in the day

I’m not sure where it exactly fits into the discography, but TARACHILLAX exists too which is supposedly even harder

[celest coyote]

Play Chillax with Russian Overkill and the mapset becomes approachable, otherwise, steer clear

[hexed escarp]

oh i dont play with gameplay mods

[hexed escarp]

doomworld doesnt list a date but it cant be from any time before 2010 because its based off of phmlspd which came out then, so I wouldnt exactly call that OG

[hexed escarp]

oh jeez

[celest coyote]

Chillax is from around the same time as Old Sunder released, so yea I would consider it OG

2009-2011 is before all the Ribbickians plagued the doom forums, a much simpler time

[hexed escarp]

ah yeah i guess in terms of slaughter it is OG

oh god i dont know how to approach the start of scythe 2 map27

do ii want to go to the left or right first

[celest coyote]

I went right first

[lime rivet]

Last week I had exams

After I got done I played DooM on my high school computer lol

Didn't have anything better to do

[celest coyote]

Hell yea

[hexed escarp]

ok so it seems like going left gives you the rocket launcher and going right gives you plasma

this map is actually really fun so far

[cedar yacht]

Thanks 🙏🏻

[cedar yacht]

What port did you use?

I've seen a gameplay and it only had the horizontal axis movement, have you used crispydoom?

[azure nimbus]

the right path is much shorter. I rmeember going that way first to prep me for the long journey left. You probably know already, but this was the original last map. The final 3 were added later

[hexed escarp]

I use woof because it’s my favorite port

Using complevel 2 you can get behavior identical to crispy or vanilla

[hexed escarp]

Woof is basically crispy doom but it supports boom/mbf maps as well as vanilla

[lunar rune]

Ahh I'm in Canada, school ends for me on June 26th

Can't wait to play DOOM

[lime rivet]

Please tell me you start school in September

Cuz otherwise you're getting cheated out of your summer lmao

[lunar rune]

Yeah we do lmao

[cedar yacht]

Thx! 🙏🏻

[azure nimbus]

woof's resolution is limited, and unless they updated it recently, still uses software. Those small differences are why I prefer DSDA

[vale gyro]

they choose to use software by choice, so they won't switch to OpenGL

[hexed escarp]

they updated it recently to support up to native resolution

but yeah if you want opengl then you can use dsda

but i only use software

[azure nimbus]

I know I always talk about it, but I was a hardcore software-only player for a long time too. But Xaser's openGL is genuinely indisguishable, at least for me. Since they look the same and open GL runs better(and has no y-sheering so freelook works fine), it's an easy choice for me

[hexed escarp]

ive never had performance issues with software

actually no there was one time, and it was eviternity 2 map36 when looking at the huge view of the whole map

that was the one time i noticed a performance dip on software

maybe il switch to hardware eventually, but for now im good playing software lol

[azure nimbus]

It's more for me on a laptop than a real gaming machine

[smoky gorge]

Were the widescreen graphics in the rereleases fanmade, and if so, were they paid?

[vale gyro]

they were fanmade iirc, and I'm not sure if they were

[smoky gorge]

Hm. Is it normal in development for fanmade additions to be paid?

[hexed escarp]

"is it normal in development for fanmade additions" no

fanmade additions being included in official releases is very uncommon, thats why id is awesome

[smoky gorge]

Well, I'm talking about if it does happen

[hexed escarp]

well back in the day team tnt and the casali brothers got paid for their contributions to final doom

[outer zephyr]

what official doom addon should I play

im bored

[hexed escarp]

plutonia is fun, its tricky but the level design is very good

[outer zephyr]

yeah

I started plutonia a while ago

got to the end of realm

[hexed escarp]

you should continue, the map after realm is also very fun

[outer zephyr]

ok

[hexed escarp]

brooooo how on earth do you do the mountain section of scythe 2 map27

[lunar rune]

For mappers out there, you guys should enter RAMP 2024!

[buoyant tide]

So no?

[hexed escarp]

oh man the whiplash of scythe 2 map28 after having played 27

im bad at fighting large amounts of revenants

[ebon crane]

(it isnt)

[buoyant tide]

Ik lol

[pliant sparrow]

I finnished doom 1993 in class today 🔥

Cacodemons are the absolute worse

[lapis wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/cacodemon-cacodemon-roll-gif-25794206

[ebon crane]

bro what lmfao

theres pain elementals and archies and you hate on the best enemy in the game

[pliant sparrow]

True

[ebon crane]

dum!

[finite crag]

Hey, does someone has a safe link to download the wad DBP34 Luminous Gloom ? When i try my web navigator say me that the website is note safe, so i can't...

[vale gyro]

If it complains about Doomshack.org, you should be fine as it’s been around and used for years and maintained by a well known figure in the community.

Unless some recent drama happened around it that I haven’t heard about

If it’s still reliable, you can just bypass protections on most browsers for that one website temporarily

[vocal summit]

ignore the unsafe warning that's just http i'm pretty sure

certificate expired

[finite crag]

Ok, thanks for your answers

[uncut pendant]

Are all Id software FPS games in the same universe?

[azure nimbus]

Doom1 and doom2 only barely have stories.

[uncut pendant]

Indeed.

[finite crag]

No.

The older id Software guys had their own personal ideas on this but most of it didn't find its way into the actual games.

[uncut pendant]

Seems to make sense for the older games, it seems the newer ones have more lore and story tied together.

[finite crag]

The newer games recontextualize the entire series as part of one long-running plot arc. They've got a lot more lore, but none of it seriously involves other franchises.

They do reference Quake shit like "slipgates" though.

[azure nimbus]

there's a difference between nods and references and a meaningful narrative throughline

There's wolfenstine stuff in the evil within 2

[finite crag]

Yeah exactly.

Doom Eternal references things, but there's nothing meaningful in the narrative that concretely connects it to Quake or Wolfenstein.

[eternal crescent]

Do anyone know some wads set in heaven?

[halcyon willow]

eviternity 1 and 2 both have heaven episodes

[eternal crescent]

I remember getting far but not finished it yet
Thanks

[hexed escarp]

yeah the last episode of eviternity 1 and first episode of eviternity 2 are heaven

both excellent wads worth playing all the way through imo

other than that a while ago i came across a single map eternity engine wad called Beware of Fallen Angels that is set in heaven

[azure nimbus]

try gearing up from map28. You can enter the level with full bfg and health since 28 is so easy

[buoyant wolf]

Beautiful looking map too.

[atomic dust]

what do you guys think of the Master Levels For Doom II?

I completed them some weeks ago and I actually enjoyed most of them. they are nothing compared to custom maps made in recent years though, that's for sure

[azure nimbus]

most of them were designed for deathmatch and otherwise play poorly. It's hard to fault ID for licensing Plutonia or even TNT, but putting their name behind and a price barrier in front of the MLs, thereby forever immortalizing them in doom history is a bad idea. It has almost certainly led to people playing the MLs, then interpreting it as what more doom has to offer and then giving up on more custom maps

[lunar rune]

I played through all of them and most of them are a bore, a chore, or a snore. Most of them are really ugly, and boring. I did however enjoy Black Tower and T.E.E.T.H

[hexed escarp]

what is a good wad to play for adventure maps

[sick marsh]

me sex

[dim arch]

Anyone know the song for this game that's kinda somber

It played in Taras nabad in doom eternal

[void hemlock]

this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX3IA3Nop3o

[dim arch]

Finally, thanks

[gusty bobcat]

i like them, specially when playing the other maps that shouldve been included

[gusty bobcat]

you could try the entirety of the cabal series by Sverre Kvernmo, it's a neat little 12-map go-thru, for '95 it's good stuff

i, myself, like it quite a bit

[lunar rune]

Oh I've tried CABAL, I don't remember which one but they were.. interesting

I think I did CABAL5

[gusty bobcat]

i made a little custom project that brings all of the maps together, all 12 of them, since most were released seprately from the original master levels

they are fine mostly, i just have a passion for this kind of map style of the time

the Inferno series by Dr. Sleep tho, is pretty freaking good

[ornate canyon]

just downloaded UDB earlier today and wanna get started; how the H-E-double-FUCK do i use it?

[gusty bobcat]

stands up really well, even today

[ornate canyon]

oh wait there's a channel for this

[void hemlock]

I beg to differ

Some of them feel fine, most others are mediocre at best and feel like a chore to play. Titan Manor for example, and worst of all The Express Elevator To Hell

[gusty bobcat]

the Titan episode is neat, for how different of style it tries to have, being a more abstract puzzle fest

[gusty bobcat]

so you dont like it? cool

[void hemlock]

yes

thats basically what I said, I don't like them really

[gusty bobcat]

i can see it, hence why i did this ^^^. but i should say tho, its a whole 5-episode, 46-map megawad with all the missing maps that, honestly shouldve been included ad well

[gusty bobcat]

i like them, personally. i guess its my desire for simplicity, but i dont really jive with all the new-fangled wads pf the modern day

i tend to prefer simple times really, im not too hardcore about doom like that

[vast reef]

god damn

respect the weird take tbh

[eternal crescent]

I feel the worst part regarding modern wads is that the maps point more on the aesthetic than being fun to play
GZDoom allows so many options but man a good chunk of them are either poorly optimized or just don't work well at all

Doomslayer Chronicles being a prime example

[languid scroll]

hello

[lunar rune]

Is there a way you could send them all? I'd love to play through them

I love random obscure doom wads, I spend hours clicking through "random file" on the idgames archive

[gusty bobcat]

i can send the wad in DMs, since its commercial and all that

[lunar rune]

Right alright

[gusty bobcat]

but if you go on my github page on me discord profile, you can build it locally as well. ill stil send it tho

[languid scroll]

do you guys have epic games doom 2

[vale gyro]

nah

[languid scroll]

ok

[vale gyro]

not me, at least

you have an issue or something?

[languid scroll]

nah

i was just thinkin maybe someone coud play online

im new here

[vale gyro]

you'd need a multiplayer port of the game for that

the Unity port (which is what I'm assuming the version on Epic Games uses) does not have online multiplayer support

it does have local, just not online

[languid scroll]

mine has online

idk

[vale gyro]

wait

can you log into Bethesda.net through it?

[languid scroll]

yeah

[vale gyro]

then yeah, no

you don't have online support

[languid scroll]

dang

[vale gyro]

you could get the IWAD files from the game's directory and put into a port like Zandronum

or anything using Chocolate Doom's networking (Chocolate Doom, Crispy Doom, and Woof being the main ones) if you only want to install a port and not something like Doomseeker along with it

[languid scroll]

ty

[lunar rune]

I'd recommend just Zandronum or ZDaemon, those two are what I've been using to play multiplayer for a while

[languid scroll]

ty

[languid scroll]

who wants to play online on ZDaemon

no WADS

[vale gyro]

guess just do Zand, then

[languid scroll]

i got ZDaemon

[lunar rune]

Do you have Doom Explorer? That's what I use to join servers

[languid scroll]

nope

i can just join severs how it is i think

sould i turn on admin for it

or not

server is done

[hexed escarp]

I would recommend switching to zandronum or odamex. Z daemon is extremely out of date and barely anyone uses it anymore

[languid scroll]

ooooooo

ok

well i kinda wanna stick to it but ty

[lofty shuttle]

Why is the 4th episode of doom 1993 so hard I can't beat it on uv

[upper crypt]

It was made after Doom 2 so that might be why

[azure nimbus]

it wasn't part of doom 1993. It was added in 1995

[viral raft]

Of all the things to get me into the OG Doom engine, who would've thought it'd be a mod about a weird ass house

Anyway hi hello I'm new here :)

[celest coyote]

there are many doors in this world, edd boi

[viral raft]

"I'M BACK IN THE FUCKING BUILDING AGAIN?!" - me every 5 minutes playing the mod

[lunar rune]

myhouse.wad right?

[viral raft]

yep yep

[lunar rune]

It's truly a masterpiece, one of the best things DOOM modding has ever seen

So glad it was made because it introduced so many people to classic DOOM

[gusty bobcat]

hallo

[viral raft]

Yooo you also looking for the Philosopher's Stone?

[gusty bobcat]

my next bit of expendable income will be used for buying alchemy books :)

i already have my amazon wishlist with a bunch of stuff, and im intend to dive deep into this reasearch rabbit hole

a recent hyperfixation of mine, it is

but the elixir of eternal life is for later, tho 😅

[viral raft]

in the same vein, i've always wanted to make a piece of music with a lyrical theme of ancient humorism

the 4 humors kinda stuff

[hexed escarp]

i recently started alien vendetta and im now understanding why everyone says it was so influential

ive only played the first 5 maps but it is really fun so far

[azure nimbus]

It does feel like that missing link between plut and more modern stuff

[finite crag]

Huh

[celest coyote]

AV is OG and very fun while not being too hard but also a treat to experience

[cedar yacht]

Does anyone know if there is a mod with cool guns and swords in the style of devil may cry?

[celest coyote]

Sunlust is definitely chill devil may cry doom

[cedar yacht]

Yeah but it doesn't have swords and cool pistols 😭🙏🏻

[lament tangle]

Ngl I’d love the classic games to be remade in like doom 3s engine or something

[azure nimbus]

I'm sure there's mod for it. doubt it'd play well but sure

[lunar rune]

That is really obscure lol

[hexed escarp]

that exists for just the first episode of doom 1

i think they may have even changed player and monster behavior a bit to match the classic games (im not entirely sure on this though)

https://www.moddb.com/mods/classic-doom-3

[vale gyro]

that just sounds cursed

to be fair, Classic Doom in any other engine sounds cursed to me

[spice radish]

reminds me of this cursed video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgKn_F6QlAw

it hurts my eyes

[vale gyro]

I feel much pain

[hexed escarp]

i do think that a classic doom remake in a modern game engine COULD be done well but yeah this is not it

i think that the best bet would probably be if we ever get proper mapping/modding tools for one of the new doom games (maybe whatever the next one will be) to do it in that because then the enemy models from that game could be reused which avoids the common cringe of the enemies in most of these attempted remakes

[hexed escarp]

the doom 3 one that does exist is actually really sick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPzwYuc8JCU

yeah looking at this video it definitely looks like they altered at least the weapon behavior considering you can kill things with the shotgun from more than 2 inches away lmao

its a shame that this only included the shareware levels tho

[azure nimbus]

Even the official quake port has a shareware doom addon

[dim arch]

why tf do u lose everything when u die

[azure nimbus]

use saves if you want to play "continuously." However, every level is designed to be fully 100 % beatable pistol start even on ultraviolence

[frozen grove]

I just ran brutal doom in vr

10/10 experience

[bronze umbra]

Wait you can do that?

Damn

[void hemlock]

there is a Meta Quest source port fork of GZDoom called “QuestZDoom”

I wonder if you can get Nuts.WAD or MyHouse.WAD (the PK3 version) to run on it…

[lunar rune]

I don't remember which one I used for Oculus, but my friend has one and I used it to play some CChest4, and a map with really high views (City in Chaos). It was very fun

[zenith berry]

There is. DOOM 2016.

[hexed escarp]

Ehhhh the new games have very different gameplay from the classic games. I think when people talk about a remake, they mean something that has gameplay more similar to the original but just upgraded graphics

[vast reef]

than the iwads yeah

slaughter wads give nu-doom a run for its money

[void hemlock]

that's a reboot

reboot ≠ remake

[bronze umbra]

Oh shit thats dope

[hexed escarp]

well thats funny because the movement speed of doom 2016 is way slower

and thats one of the things i dislike about it. I miss being able to zoom around

its very different for sure

[frozen grove]

Yeah, It runs super smooth. It rarely lags out even with all the blood effects.

[hardy vessel]

well, well, time to replay classic doom till 2025 mfs

[gusty bobcat]

yup lol

[celest coyote]

Slow movement, infinite health, infinite ammo, corpses all despawn after 4 seconds, barely more than 12 enemies at once in any level, and shoe-horned in gimmicks for enemies to have “weak-spots”

New Doom sucks ass. Full stop.

Can’t kill the Stone Imp without anything BUT the full-auto mod on the shotgun. Why? Fuck it. Matching game fun

[alpine raptor]

you guys should really try myhouse.wad, this mod is of horror genre and it's about liminal space and etc..

i also reccomend CountryCide, basically it is based on ww1, you are some sort of soldier stuck in a forest of demons

or UACLABS, a mod with the same textures, monsters and sprites of doom 2, but only a brand new map

[alpine raptor]

this mod is really amazing but the creator was not..

i've also played "legend of doom", a fun mod based on legend of zelda

which is not bad, but you gotta use hardware accelerated for that one

it blurries kind of any sprite

i do also know of a mod called "Xim's Star Wars" (literally star wars but with the doom 2 map)

i've never tried it out but probably going to soon

they say it's pretty nice

i apologize for uploading so many messages tho

oh, as last thing i want to clarify i've got some other different WADs in my gzdoom folder, but i can't send 'em here since they are categorized as "offensive" by the local doom 2 players..

i do also apologize for any grammatical mistake i might have done, i'm not a native english speaker

[frozen grove]

I think I have some similar to this

[azure nimbus]

It's hard to take this criticism seriously when you lead with "slow movement". While gaus boosting is fairly limited in 2016, meathooks, ballista boost, single dashing keep your movement very dynamic and fluid while tying them to weapons. Corpses despawning isn't all that great a metric for judging a game's quality. It's a cool detail in classic but it isn't that important. That enemies tend to be stronger and more computer power needed to render and maneuver them does limit the possible number of enemies. All in all, it feels fairly balanced playing with the fewer enemies as they're more aggressive. However, this does limit modding capability for lower end computers I guess? I mean I've seen some crazy custom content and the MLs have really intense combat with higher enemy counts. So this feels more like a design consideration to deal with that is a result of more present individual Weak spots, beyond head shots, were only in Eternal so I'll address that. they just aren't shoehorned in. They compliment the weapon variety as several weapons are specifically designed to target weakpoints(stickies, ballista, precision bolt). Further, they affect how enemies behave. This isn't just "more damage" but instead reduces enemies' offensive ability by exploding canons and plays into the falter system. The falter system is more complicated than I can say here but weakpoints are an integral part of that falter system. Stone imp full auto? It's one enemy in a dlc that is vulnerable to chainsaws too. Classic doom's cybers have blast damage immunity, pushing you to use other weapons too. While lock-and key isn't that engaging, its presense is rather conservatively used and is always more of a suggestion than a true single solution

[celest coyote]

essay moment

corpses are pretty important for archviles so I'm not sure what world you live in either. Archies in newer doom are not threatening at all

also chainsaws are insta kills for practically all enemies in newer doom so acting like the stone imp is somehow weaker to it than a regular imp is not conveying any point. It is dumb they exist and take reduced damage beyond somehow the full auto mod killing them in two shots

i wasn't talking about any "falter system"

[azure nimbus]

He takes 1pip like the base imp. That's the lowest possible requirement since the first pip charges automatically

[celest coyote]

bro idk what a pip is

new doom sucks. That's my opinion. you're going on some dissertation because someone disagrees

it's not that deep

[azure nimbus]

Arches do function differently and I'd agree that they're less engaging.

You can nnot like it but you're reasons don't track. Stone imps are barely relevant. The weakpoint system is integral to the game, not shoehorned in

[celest coyote]

they do track, but ok

you have infinite health and ammo in newer doom at all times, because of glory kills and the chainsaw. That removes any tension

that is a solid reason that tracks

[azure nimbus]

Yeah that's pretty much true

without UN stakes or maybe MLs, a good player will never be in danger

[celest coyote]

I would agree

I also heavily dislike newer doom because of the severe lack of custom content. It is unfortunate, but still a valid reason that tracks

classic is an entire universe to delve into that always expands

[azure nimbus]

classic's the #1 period for customs

Least pc players have options-- fewer than classic for sure but customs exist

[celest coyote]

and my critique about enemies in newer doom is more of a precaution in that I hope the next installment of Doom doesn't make that the standard for every enemy going forward

I didn't much enjoy tag 1 and 2 at the end of the day, so I'm not heavily optimistic about whatever comes next

[azure nimbus]

With modern graphics and enemy behavior, we'll never have trye hordes like classic's 2d sprites and AI that could be condensed into a few paragraphs. So I doubt it.That historical reason, I believe is why classic is so flexible

[celest coyote]

Classic is great

[azure nimbus]

yeh

[upper crypt]

We will always have the classics

[sick field]

Does anybody know how to beat E3M5 in doom one? I think im stuck

[sick mist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_t3rtHia5w

[sick field]

Thank you

[compact vortex]

I can do eternal master levels but can’t even beat this game on hmp

[hexed escarp]

The new games and the classic games require very different skill sets

[spice sage]

[compact vortex]

I see classic games taking more problem solving skills rather than the newer games taking raw mechanical skill

[sick mist]

ha! I feel ya.
Nightmare in DOOM Eternal? No biggie
But in the classics? i really suck ass xD

[lament epoch]

I remember when I was 10 years old and I beat Doom 2 on nightmare and I was so happy but then my PC crashed and I forgot to save the game at the last level and I got so pissed I broke my pc

[cosmic pumice]

[vale gyro]

Scythe 2's final map on E4 is giving me a headache. I'm assuming the final 2 episodes just make it even harder?

[vale gyro]

yeah, gonna take another break on this map, holy

[azure nimbus]

map28? map28's much easier than surrounding maps. You have sooo much ammo. Spam the bfg, even if it's a low value shot with only the ball

[vale gyro]

nah, I'm on map 20

It's been bullying me into oblivion

[vast reef]

actually yeah

i've always said classic doom is like cooking

cooking doesn't take that much dexterity or raw skill

it's way more on making the right choices at the right times

[celest coyote]

[vale gyro]

finally beat it and onto Episode 5 so I can start it tomorrow

[finite crag]

Ive completed shrine 2 and I like it

Does it worth rebeating it on harder difficulty?

I played on hard

[hexed escarp]

good luck

[hexed escarp]

the plutonia midi pack is so good but there are a few maps where i feel like the original track was better

not that the midi pack version was bad, but just that it didnt fit as well

like map21 and map30

[sweet kindle]

I can't quite find the original look of classic Doom.
Like, on CRT monitor, in DOS, to understand how exactly lightlevels looked "as intended" by devs

There should be a video, preferably a long one

Plus, it needs to be the original ratio, not stretched (e.g. doomguy's face should have the right proportions)

Hm.. I guess this
https://youtu.be/oJXjR49NU6E

But then, how it looked on CRT 🤔 I guess it would darken the image further

Maybe to find a retro gaming store or similar to experience first-hand original CRT experience of DOOM™

Sad. Can't find such PC retro gaming events

[hexed escarp]

this doesn't solve the crt problem but the chocolate doom source port is as close to playing on dos as you can get on a modern machine

it will have the original aspect ratio, resolution, framerate, and nothing appears stretched

and all of the same bugs and quirks exist, even the critical ones

[sweet kindle]

Yeah, played it on a phone back in 2014 I think! Indeed one of the most authentic (but modern) ways to play

I think it's being shipped in Steam now?

Haha, I see, I think I left the choc doom's exe years ago in the Steam folder of Doom

So it's not in steam release

[celest coyote]

Just get a time machine, and play Doom in the 90s, obviously

tell them about the coming of the sixth episode, foretell the legends of Erik Alm, Skillsaw, Gazebo, and Ribbiks. You’ll be heralded as a prophet

[atomic wigeon]

Hi I'm playing sigil 2 rn on gzdoom I saved at a very bad time and just stuck in an instadeath loop I can get if I have more health is there a gzdoom command that heals the player?

[hexed escarp]

the command god toggles invincibility

[azure nimbus]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_cheat_codes

[supple thunder]

guys is my xbox valueable? i still have both the classic dooms on it the ones without the added stuff. the one without cheat codes or lvl select

[rocky hatch]

most og xbox's tend to go for around 60-80 bucks. The games would probably go for 8-14 bucks

[gentle compass]

Have you tried ‘give health’ in the console? Pretty sure that one works

[finite crag]

for my expansive doom wad, you guys wanna have me make the first level designed in a quake fassion or no?

[azure nimbus]

You have to make what you want

[pearl hawk]

This, having your own vision is important

[atomic wigeon]

yo quick queestion for people who have played sigil 2 I have encountered a bug in e6m4 where the platform wont be raised up for me to continue after you lower the red bars and press the switch what can I do?

[pearl hawk]

What source port are you using?

[spice elbow]

cant belive its been 6 months without a new add on

[ebon crane]

you couldve pinged me in the d.i. server yknow :p

...hitscan?

i cant give you many more tips than be aware of things spawning and stuff

watch out for light pillars or whatever (the ones with the circling debuffs mostly)

and if you see an item you havent picked up, pick it up.

i thought ive seen ya there :p

[ebon crane]

and look at the descriptions of items to see if theyre good for your run or will get your run destroyed

yep

[merry nacelle]

Idkfa iddqd

[lunar rune]

Idfa idbeholdv

[merry nacelle]

What is V again

[hexed escarp]

inVulnerability sphere

since I was already Invisibility sphere

[merry nacelle]

Imagine if they added a classic doomguy skin to eternal

But instead of being a 3d model it would actually be the sprite

That would be so good in cutscenes

[brittle oyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE7q0nULpWU here's one I made, also volume warning, the plasma rifle is very loud, so please reduce the volume

because for me, it was loud

[sage briar]

How to get the my house mod? I want to not sleep at night:)

[lament tangle]

It’s on like Doomworld or something

[sage briar]

Thanks I’ll have to check it out gonna stream it to my friends

[lament tangle]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/134292-myhousewad/

Here this makes it easier

[sage briar]

Thanks 🙏

[lament tangle]

Make sure to download the PK3 file btw the Wad is just the regular house

[sage briar]

Okay I will thanks 🙏

[lament tangle]

Btw some tips

1. Complete the house normally. Like get the keycards then go through the gate and complete underhalls to get all the firepower. You’ll need it if you do everything right… Happiness has to be fought for.

2. Check around for secrets and pick up the items. There are clues everywhere.

3. Go into the garage first and check the boxes for the chainsaw

4. If you find a secret entrance to anything make sure to full save. They only work once.

5. Collect all those items like Pepsi cans and Milkshakes. Yes I know I said it twice but it is NEEDED

6. Try everything to keep yourself from touching the breaker after the first ending. Nothing good can come from a house fire…

7. Check the sinks and mirrors

[sage briar]

Got it

[lament tangle]

8. Don’t kill the evil dog when you find em. They will join you if you get the good ending

[sage briar]

K what happens if I do? Just out of curiosity

[lament tangle]

You will find the good dog dead in the place you find em and they won’t join you.

Not that bad but it’s still sad

[sage briar]

Ah

[sage briar]

I won’t kill the dog he the hommie

[lament tangle]

Btw. Some things

[sage briar]

Yeah?

[lament tangle]

There are some closets and items that will refill your armor and health when you find em

[sage briar]

K

[lament tangle]

But yeah check EVERYTHING

[sage briar]

I will

[lament tangle]

Btw the backrooms exist if you no clip into the wrong places

Like literally you no clip into some things and you will be sent there

[sage briar]

Oh okay like can I get out or do I have to find my way out?

[lament tangle]

Find your way out. Watch out for the thing that roams around the place

If you die don’t press anything. Just wait

[sage briar]

K

[lament tangle]

You’ll get revived after you go through a sequence

[sage briar]

I was gonna ask if I died what do i do

[lament tangle]

Only works once as well btw

[sage briar]

K

If I die again do I have to restart the whole thing?

[lament tangle]

Yep

[sage briar]

Ah okay

[lament tangle]

Everything

The house too

[sage briar]

Damn I get one extra life and that’s it?

[lament tangle]

Yeah ill tell more later brb

[sage briar]

K

[lament tangle]

Btw there is a long hallway in one part so yeah be prepared to hold W a lot

[sage briar]

Alr that’s for the info

[lament tangle]

Ur welcome

There’s a lot of more stuff but then that’d be spoiler town territory

[celest coyote]

Bro is literally spoiling all of what to do myhouse

[sage briar]

Tbh I would get lost with out it

[celest coyote]

You’re meant to. It’s perfectly fine