classic-doom

[vale gyro]

I'm really nitpicky

[ebon crane]

youre also really cool

[vale gyro]

so even if the amount of pixels I can see is off I will start changing settings like a mad man

[ebon crane]

in dm i dont mind

[vale gyro]

I actually spent like 20 minutes getting Woof to look like Crispy

the only port that doesn't fall into those standards is GZDoom

partially because I kinda can't

[ebon crane]

ye

[vale gyro]

I don't play with a crosshair either (blame the Unity port and me playing in DOS for as long as I did)

except in deathmatches

it's a godsend in those environments

[ebon crane]

ew

[vale gyro]

what?

I personally hated the crosshair as it just didn't fit

[ebon crane]

i just die when i hear that dont mind me

[ebon crane]

...change it? or was that not an option

[vale gyro]

I turn it off always

[ebon crane]

why??

[vale gyro]

because I don't even play with freelook

[ebon crane]

i mean okay

[vale gyro]

it's useless and it throws off my vision

I play at 90 FOV so it's already somewhat limited

[ebon crane]

lmao yeah dropping down a cliff praying you dont die is REALLY fun

[vale gyro]

throwing a crosshair into the middle of my screen makes me only focus on what's infront of me

and not the whole arena

[lapis wolf]

What's y'all favorite Decino playthrough that isn't a Custom WAD?

[ebon crane]

still, i dont see how freelook is useless

[vale gyro]

I never said it was useless

I said I don't exactly like it

[ebon crane]

...

[vale gyro]

heck, in some ports it even makes me somewhat sick

[ebon crane]

you literally said its useless lmao

[vale gyro]

oh yeah, you're right

[ebon crane]

silly pengie

[vale gyro]

anyways

it throws off my instincts for one

[ebon crane]

how-

well ur used to og doom so

[vale gyro]

I've been playing classic doom since 2020

always with freelook off, even when I used to main GZDoom

my muscle memory is completely based off of autoaim and no vertical mouse look

I have a bind in GZDoom to activate all of that advanced stuff just for those maps if I ever play them

but by default I keep all of it off

[vale gyro]

heck, it even enables a crosshair

but GZDoom is my last port of choice

so I only have that bind in there if I really need it

I basically have 4 binds

one to turn on freelook, crouching, jumping, and a crosshair

another to turn all of that off

one to turn on only jumping and crouching

and a final one to turn off only jumping and crouching

it's quite easy to set up the binds, actually

but yeah

another thing

I play at an 35 FPS cap no matter what

[ebon crane]

lmao how

[vale gyro]

and it's one of the reasons I hate the Unity port

as it's lowest is 30 FPS, not 35

[vale gyro]

make a file in your GZDoom folder called "autoexec.cfg"

for my monitor, it's quite obvious

on my phone (the only place where I use the port), it's not as bad so I keep it at the 30

nah

it's 144hz

but my reaction time was entirely based on that 35 FPS cap in the original executables

so when I transferred over to Crispy I kept that cap, and then did the same in Woof

[vale gyro]

anyways, I can send you over my config over DMs if you'd like

it'd probably get flagged as spamming due to the amount of semicolons are in the file

fair enough

I do have it capped in GZ as well

I might try to find material to increase that cap when my advanced movement bind is pressed but that's for later

I don't mind man

I know I'm a weirdo and I'm fine with it

like I have had literally spent the past couple months making a custom-made Doom launcher instead of using something like ZDL

I'm that type of weird

[vale gyro]

it was honestly worth it

gotten my programming skills better and also allowed me to add in Discord RPC integration

which (to my knowledge) is apart of no other launcher

I'll be forever proud of it

you have a 75hz monitor

your cap is 75 FPS

anything over and screen-tearing becomes an issue

v-sync might be on

that's its entire job

I tend to keep my cap at 144 FPS or lower in other games to turn off v-sync

eh, whatever

as long as your experience is good that's all that matters

fair

I remember doing keyboard only

it sucked

[feral elm]

do not play 3d doom it sucks and it made me through up

[vale gyro]

ever heard of Voxel Doom, though?

[feral elm]

no

[vale gyro]

that, unlike other 3D Doom mods, is good

[feral elm]

i will try

[vale gyro]

it even has 3D textures!

not in Woof, though. It has only the 3D models

I wish gaming on Linux was easier period

to be fair I wouldn't do a full switch to Linux even then because I program in C# and depend on Visual Studio

it makes sense

as exes were made for Windows since the start

and in turn, require APIs Linux doesn't have

you can edit them

is it saying "Permission Denied" or something?

if so you need to be logged in as root

strange

I will tell you Linux Mint is Ubuntu based, probably hence you needed to install what you did

only LMDE is based directly on Debian

I've heard Arch and Arch-based distros give you more fine control

I don't do in-depth customization

I've mainly only switched from MATE over to i3

hibernation was straight up broken for me sadly

I have it turned off and only use the one that was in-bios

[vale gyro]

i3's pretty good, though. I recommend

anyways, we should probably not flood this poor channel with Linux stuff

[ebon crane]

lol

[vale gyro]

replace the battery?

it's a thinkpad, you should be able to literally rip it out without needing a screw driver

ah

[rain ferry]

Where’s the exit for map 24

[violet sundial]

I am not a fan of e5m6

It's scary

I'm feeling a little sick from anxiety

I play with no brightness increase btw

[violet sundial]

ok the end with the small labyrinth was pretty cool

I was legitimately frozen in fear for a bit jumping into that pool of boiling blood tho

[violet sundial]

The secret map was cool

[vast reef]

thats cuz ur on mint

also yeah issues lined up after the other sounds right LOL

i need linux for c programming so i use debian in wsl2

will fully switch one day

[vast reef]

this is when i would use java (for high-level OOP languages)

cuz i can code it on my phone and almost anywhere else

but tbh im a "c and lisp do everything" guy

[violet sundial]

I just bought deltatouch so I can play myhouse.wad

[wicked mirage]

Mike wozowsky

[vale gyro]

still needing some, honestly

I'm now scared of that map

[vale gyro]

the chaingunners are just massacring me 90% of the time and the 10% is me dying to the floor or archvile in the room behind the lift on the pathway

the one right behind the mancubus

also one of the two chaingunners in the yellow key room almost always just disappears and then out of nowhere shreds me down to low health

I can add "softlocked myself by falling off of the wrong side of the lift when I had raised it and then died to archvile" to my list of things I've died to now

[vale gyro]

I got all weapons, no exact preference and is mainly situational

Also, I wouldn’t trust the fandom wiki

Wouldn’t use it anyways due to the ungodly amount of ads on there

The wikia has a full walkthrough when I just checked

I’ve been mainly avoiding videos for my play through, at the most the wiki so hence why I was asking rather than looking up videos

Tried infighting, kept failing

Probably gonna try to think of a strategy with the wikia as a base

The amount of chain gunners on the pathway is absurd

I’ve had to implement a whole new save type into my save system because of how painful it’s been

I usually only start saving mid-level if I had died in an arena too much

I now start saving once stress levels get too high as well

I’ve only had to save scum in one other level in TNT

So I was not expecting map27 to just throw me around as much as it’s had

Guess all I can do is take a break for a bit and come back to it

[violet sundial]

I'm on the last mission of e5

I open the door and I'm immediately stressed

[violet sundial]

That's how I am bc I'll actually get anxiety mid level that freezes me up and I die lol

It's not so bad after one playthrough

[vale gyro]

I don’t know my reasons honestly

But yeah, I now have save rules for that

Only after an arena, though

I still make it so I can’t save mid-fight

[violet sundial]

that seems like a detrimental save anyway

[violet sundial]

I finished Sigil 1

[hexed escarp]

Sigil?

[unreal pike]

anyone know this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RgkXJbLBDw

and this https://twitter.com/romero/status/1480571487178432514

John Romero 🤘🏽 (@romero) on X

Hello operator? I'd like to report a Cacodemon.

Twitter · Jan 10, 2022, 4:05 PM

[pearl blaze]

I just downloaded project brutality and it isn't allowing me to move. What's the problem? I I set my controls and the movement WASD and I'm still not moving I can do the rest of the controls. What's the problem?

sorry, I can't verify myself in captcha.bot

[void hemlock]

oh look it's MtPain27

[violet sundial]

Yes lol

[hexed escarp]

nice, yeah thats a fun one

map08 is such a cool looking map

[vale gyro]

It's finally done holy

[ebon crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159461005672321057/1236745718040105100/image.png?ex=663920b4&is=6637cf34&hm=c6347811dc096ccabd67c890a75373d63bd90732fd959ec4764785c4f4c2064c&
what an annoying level

[vale gyro]

same amount of kills I just got lol

[ebon crane]

damn

[hexed escarp]

damb i just got to that level

[ebon crane]

lol nice

[hexed escarp]

but then i quit because the previous level was so annoying and i didnt feel like dealing

early plutonia was so good

but now its just getting so boring

[ebon crane]

hehe

[vale gyro]

ok, WHY is map28 and (at least looking at how many enemies there are) map29 eaiser than map27?!

[ebon crane]

plutonia?

[vale gyro]

TNT

forgot to mention that, my bad

[vale gyro]

scratch map29

the crusher alone is pissing me off

[ebon crane]

LOL

[vale gyro]

this is also the first time I need paper to beat a doom map

[ebon crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159461005672321057/1236754095511961691/image.png?ex=66392882&is=6637d702&hm=9a68d4955f796df5ef32fab82d286ff4fc3202db0d116e874f98b60d5466f232&
does anyone else hate these locked bars in plutonia that have the skulls on them but you need to flip a switch somewhere else?

like just fucking open the door man

[vale gyro]

ok, my RNG on map30 of TNT is just BS as was the RNG of my Doom 2 map30 run

restarted the map over 20 times from the Icon of Sin alone

also the fact all the enemies are spawning below me is not helping with the weird movement you have to do to even land a rocket

what's more annoying is that I had killed the IoS on my first attempt

but I had accidenally brushed my spacebar and because I was dead when I killed it

yeah-

and it's finally dead

I checked my launcher's RPC time after I was done and it took me an hour to beat maps 27 (partially), 28, 29, and 30

don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing

[ebon crane]

nice lol

[tacit remnant]

How do I launch GZDoom with console commands? In particular, how do I do so with mods? I tried using zdl but it doesn’t seem to work

[vale gyro]

what are you currently inputting?

because putting in something wrong may be the cause of it

[violet sundial]

I really enjoyed that last gauntlet at the end that ironically ends with a zombieman

[vale gyro]

All parameters must start with a - (with the exception of some things that GZDoom has, in that case it'd be a + instead)
If a parameter takes in arguments and that argument needs a space in it (for example, using -file to load in a mod in which the directory has a space in it somewhere), you must surround that argument in quotes
Mods shouldn't mess with the parameters

why I hadn't typed any of this earlier is beyond me

[tacit remnant]

When I try to open the launcher, it just goes to the code in Microsoft Visual Studio rather than actually running the code

[vale gyro]

why is VS starting?!

[tacit remnant]

Not sure. One sec while I try something

[vale gyro]

That's genuinely a first time I've heard that

[tacit remnant]

Okay so I set my PC to open it using GZDoom instead, and it just acts like I launched GZDoom using the icon shortcut

[vale gyro]

what are you inputting for your launch paramaters even?

[tacit remnant]

Oh it says the file type is “C source” in case that matters. I didn’t see an alternate download option so I assumed this must be right

[vale gyro]

you're confusing me

all I can tell is some source code to a C program is somehow launching Visual Studio through ZDL

[tacit remnant]

Should the file name be “zdl.c”?

[vale gyro]

did you install the source code to ZDL?

[tacit remnant]

I think I have

[vale gyro]

either compile it or download the binaries from the repo releases

[tacit remnant]

So ZDoom wiki is sending me to a GitHub page with a list of files. Which one is the binaries?

[vale gyro]

scroll down and look to the right

should be a version under Releases

[eager solstice]

if you think plutonia 1 is hard wait till you try plutonia 2

[vale gyro]

actually, scrolling down is useless, my bad

forgot it's right on the top

I was thinking of GitHub's mobile view

[tacit remnant]

I got it working. I was using a link to the wrong page somehow

[tacit remnant]

How do I tell zdl which files I want to run?

I have them listed, but I’m not sure how I select which ones to use

[vale gyro]

if you're talking about External files

every one in that list will be used

IWADs, however, you can just select

[spark torrent]

Yep! It was made by KingJackSkellington over on the persona modding discord, it's still a WIP though.

[tacit remnant]

Got it working. Thanks for the help

[hexed escarp]

eyy i finally beat episode 5 of scythe 2

that episode was so much fun. it was really hard but very fun

[vale gyro]

Personal achievement of mines I just made

did one of my hardest maps (E4M2) on my main skill level (HMP) under 4 minutes

[hexed escarp]

Noice

[vale gyro]

I didn't even mean to do it

I played it because I was in a VC and I was asking for two random numbers and someone chose 4 2

so I played it expecting to die before I got the yellow skull key

[hexed escarp]

I love watching videos of people getting the all ghosts bug in doom

Like for the older ones, they are like what the fuck just happened

And then for newer ones, they are just really annoyed

Like when coincident got it during a speedrun attempt, you can see him go from “aw man that revenant fireball just wall clipped” to “whoa how did I dodge that” to “oh.” In a span of like 2 seconds

[violet sundial]

So uh... Does every map in Sigil 2 have a cyber

Fragments of Sanity seems aply named

[lapis wolf]

John Romero things

[vale gyro]

yeah

and also each Sigil 2 map as a 30 second secret

[ebon crane]

what

dayum

[ebon crane]

what

romero made a secret in every level that closes aftr 30 secs

[rain ferry]

I don’t understand map 30 in doom 2

I made the pillar go up but idk what to do

[ebon crane]

get on the pillar and shootie in brain

[rain ferry]

Ye

Ngl I wish I could’ve played coop

[ebon crane]

wdym?

youre making it sound like you cant play coop anymore

[rain ferry]

I had a big brain idea

Join as a guest account to get the coop achievements

[celest coyote]

Another day and Sunder slowly erodes more of my sanity 😁

[terse ruin]

Any 32 map megawads you recommend? Or around the 32 mark. Some of the best you can think of. I didn't play much. I want them to be without episodes. Similar to DOOM 2. I hate losing my stuff. Thank you for any suggestions.

[vale gyro]

Going Down

[terse ruin]

I actually tried that lol. One of the few megawads I played. Someone else recommended it in a forum. It was waaay too hard for me. Gave up pretty early. I also found the levels to be too simplistic. I liked Auger Zenith.

[vale gyro]

also I know you said 32 map but try out Tangerine Nightmare as a small map set you can play if you’re ever bored

[vale gyro]

Ah

[azure nimbus]

Anteresian Legacy. Def one of the most unique I've tried and It's good for a wide range of skill levels

[hexed escarp]

eviternity and eviternity 2

they have absolutely excellent gameplay, visuals, music, and atmosphere

[azure nimbus]

eviternity and anteresian legacy take some similar design cues.

[still sand]

Can someone make a co-op server in doom eternal I haven’t played co-op in forever

Please

[vale gyro]

This is the classic doom channel

[still sand]

Oh

[vale gyro]

I suggest you ask the folk in #doom-eternal

[still sand]

Sorry

[violet sundial]

E6M6 has 3 cybers

Nice!

[violet sundial]

What is the purpose of raising the "I" platform in the SW area of E6M7?

[violet sundial]

Well I found the last item anyway

I'm really curious about those 3 rectangular areas in the SW though

might be tied to arena mode

[ebon crane]

how do you even

[ebon crane]

mm

[violet sundial]

Sigil 2 was great, just great

Should I play TnT next or is there a proper order

I downloaded TNT since I've never played it

[ebon crane]

plutonia is harder so idk

[violet sundial]

TnT is definitely much less difficult than sigil lol

[terse ruin]

Thank you I will give them a try. Also Antaresian Legacy.

Doesn't Eviternity have episodes? That's what it says in the description.

[finite crag]

Btsx ep1 map 32 on fast uv+ is very fun

[lapis wolf]

I suck so much at UV fast monsters lol

[lapis wolf]

I don't remember if BTSX E2 is 32 maps, but they're extremely long maps

It's a phenomenal wad though.

Aka Back to Saturn X Episode 2

[lapis wolf]

Yup

[hexed escarp]

Eviternity 1 and 2 are both 30 map sets for doom 2 but they are each broken up into 6 5-map episodes

And Eviternity 1 has 2 secret maps at the midpoint

And Eviternity 2 has a secret map in each episode

[atomic dust]

I can't be the only one who prefers calling the Classic Doom Cyberdemons Tyrants

[void hemlock]

I do the opposite

[atomic dust]

yes, plenty of people call the Tyrant Cyberdemon

but it's the opposite to me. I like calling the Classic Cyberdemon Tyrant lol

[void hemlock]

In my defense the Tyrant is Doom Eternal’s Cyberdemon

[median cloud]

My unpopular opinion is that I actually prefer Doom 2’s more lowkey soundtrack over Doom 1’s ost

[rigid ridge]

interesting opinion

imo, i slightly prefer doom 1 ost

[median cloud]

I think the Doom 1 ost is probably better but I enjoy the more background vibe the Doom 2 one gives

[finite crag]

doom classics

you mean doom 1993?

[void hemlock]

Doom 1993, Doom 2, Doom 64

[finite crag]

ohh

the based ones

[median cloud]

Hence the channel :p

[median cloud]

Tnt isnt that hard and very very annoying imo, good ost tho
Not sure if plutonia is tougher than sigil 2, but it is my favorite iWad

[atomic dust]

I completed this map in just a minute holy shit

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/216692479531941889/1237369754654740552/image.png?ex=663b65e2&is=663a1462&hm=50c31ab43fc4cd9923b7c6d2ba43d010387cfbc7887065a832fa2f5c42de1c64&

[hardy vessel]

why does your doom track millisecconds though

[remote cedar]

Oh yeah good point, which sourceport does that?

[void hemlock]

GZDoom and PrBoom+ I think?

[hardy vessel]

i use gzdoom and it doesnt show millis

or well, at least not by default

maybe it has an option somewhere

[vale gyro]

DSDA might if you configure some settings

I know DSDA has a end level timer in the top left but I don’t know if that’s demo only

I only have DSDA for vid dumping so haven’t used it for actual gameplay since I played through Sigil 2

[finite crag]

I just found the sky source for Doom 1993 E1M1.

[vale gyro]

There’s actually a video from Decino detailing the sources for a lot of Doom’s textures, actually

[violet sundial]

Revenant on map 2 nice

[violet sundial]

Ok I really like TNT map 4

It really tells the player they're in for a ride lol

[tidal jetty]

bobby prince is amazing

but goddamn
https://youtu.be/S1xL-YyYrWU

gotta love this too
https://youtu.be/6b0PNXLtQ1E

[void hemlock]

TNT music is always

[upper crypt]

Early TNT > Late TNT

[upper crypt]

My three favorites are Soldier of Chaos, Blood Jungle and Cold Subtleness

[gusty bobcat]

I'm a huge fan of MAP01 and MAP17, honestly only because they were made by Tom Mustaine, he has a nack for the kinda of maps I like

[violet sundial]

Map 9 is as insane as ever

[vale gyro]

have fun with map27 later on!

[violet sundial]

As long as it's not too rude lol

[vale gyro]

the final part is a pain

everything else in the map is overall tame

heck, I found the majority of TNT a perfect balance for me

just not that final part of map27

[violet sundial]

speaking of rude ep 10 starts off pretty rude lol

[violet sundial]

Yeah it's pretty nice overall so far

[vale gyro]

I don't remember map10

like, at all

[violet sundial]

It seems to be stingy with HP but generous with shells and bullets

[vale gyro]

oh, that map

just booted it up to see

yeah, I remember hating an archvile placement if I'm correct

[violet sundial]

ok well I need a break

[gusty bobcat]

Also Tom Mustaine, too

[violet sundial]

I'm exhausted after killing 400 zombies and imps

[gusty bobcat]

This time being stingy af

[vale gyro]

actually

I don't know if there is an archie

[violet sundial]

?

[vale gyro]

just no clipping through the map made me find nothin'

[gusty bobcat]

MAP10 was also made the famous Tom Mustaine, who made MAP01 and MAP17. He is also one of my favorite mappers, primarily of 90's era Doom

[violet sundial]

Map 1 was pretty fun punching my way through

[vale gyro]

I've somehow burnt myself out of classic doom a bit after TNT, honestly

that or I just don't have the morale to get through Plutoniam knowing how hard of an IWAD it apparently is

[hardy vessel]

the plutonia experiment is by far harder than tnt evilution, that's where i drew the line (although admitedly im not very good anyway)

[vale gyro]

I could most likely get through Plutonia

[violet sundial]

TNT really isn't too difficult except for the extremely large number of monster closets

[vale gyro]

it's just that I don't exactly have the confidence for such an IWAD

[hardy vessel]

well if you have any, you will be put in your place quickly

[violet sundial]

Wait you haven't played it?

[vale gyro]

nah

I've played through each IWAD pretty slowly imo

[violet sundial]

It's next on my list lol

[vale gyro]

the fastest one I've gotten through is TNT

[violet sundial]

same lol, that last map took 30 minutes

[vale gyro]

Doom 2 was probably the longest

[vale gyro]

for me some maps take hundreds of attempts on HMP

as I don't pistol start as mistakes from 10 maps ago can come and haunt me

or well, I get tired and I keep making the same mistake over and over again

also I was referring to how long IRL time it took me (including times of me not playing it), less than in-game time

[hardy vessel]

doom ii is the best, it's so beautiful imo

[vale gyro]

I stalled on Doom 2 for a while

[violet sundial]

I had assumed so

[vale gyro]

it's the only IWAD (besides the entirety of Final Doom) where I have not beaten it more than once

ok, I could've just shortened it to "I've only beat UDoom more than once" but whatever

[violet sundial]

UV or nightmare?

[vale gyro]

I almost exclusively play on HMP

I suck at games, but Doom's one of the few FPS games that I can balance to my liking

I've done UDoom on UV, though

[violet sundial]

Whatever lets you have fun

[vale gyro]

once I beat Final Doom I may do Doom 2 on UV as well

in the meantime I still need to find an OST for Doom 64..

[violet sundial]

I'd probably do Nightmare everything if saves worked lol

[vale gyro]

they work, though?

oh wait, I forgot, you don't use PC ports

is Delta Touch's save systems broken?

[violet sundial]

Yeah when I load it just goes into UV

I haven't tried deltatouch yet

[vale gyro]

oh

I guess you could switch to that once you're done with the mapset your playing

[violet sundial]

I have to access a PC to move files

[vale gyro]

really?

thought you could do that all on your phone due to it being Android

[violet sundial]

Yeah ever since android 11 or 12, moving files into the android folder is impossible

[vale gyro]

ah

at that point if you ever got access to a PC, just play Doom on there lol

[violet sundial]

fr touch controls are the reason I can't play nightmare lol

[vale gyro]

same

I can't even play HMP on mobile

mainly because I can't set it to 35 FPS

which infuriates me on unimaginable levels

[hardy vessel]

i could only beat doom 2 in HMP with vanilla controls, too

i assume its just as annoying as touch controls

[vale gyro]

there is really no "vanilla controls"

the only thing I'd consider such is vertical mouse movement seen within the DOS version, which is often deactivated in most ports be default

[violet sundial]

Well occasionally I completely lose control of my character and need to quickly pause to regroup

[hardy vessel]

vanilla controls are arrows, ctrl, space

[vale gyro]

that's default controls

what I'd consider "vanilla controls" is what I described above

as there was no way to disable vertical mouse movement unless you used the NOVERT utility in DOS

[hardy vessel]

well i call them vanilla as in og controls

[vale gyro]

to be fair, just being a perfectionist idiot here

[hardy vessel]

without using the mouse

[vale gyro]

you did forget alt, the comma key, and the period key as controls

all of which allow you to strafe

personally when I ever play DOS

I do run WASD with mouse and the NOVERT utility

[hardy vessel]

yep, i ddint use those

i dont have enough dexterity to use more than arrows and ctrl

[vale gyro]

though, back when I ran my laptop for all of my doom stuff

I used WASD and arrow keys

as gaming on a trackpad sucked

[vale gyro]

mind you, this was on all ports I played

so that included the original executables, Crispy Doom, and Woof

mouse with NOVERT is so much better when playing the original executables lol

[hardy vessel]

no, thanks

[violet sundial]

I think I played with a mouse at 3 yo

[hardy vessel]

mouse with no freelook feels alien

[violet sundial]

can't quite recall

[vale gyro]

I don't use freelook ever

even when I use GZDoom rarely

all of my muscle memory was built on a 35 FPS cap with autoaim

[hardy vessel]

well for keyboard only its fine, but for mouse + keyboard, it's kind of unnatural

[violet sundial]

I didn't play Doom from 1994-2016

[vale gyro]

I actually find incredibly natural for me

[violet sundial]

It was too scary lol

[vale gyro]

infact, my aim is always off when using freelook

[hardy vessel]

i think the first time i beat quake was like that, no freelook with mouse

[vale gyro]

I can't hit stuff in Classic Doom with freelook

funnily enough my first port besides the Unity port was actually GZDoom

so you'd expect me to use freelook without exception

but nah, I had rarely used freelook and then when I switched to the original executables I just got used to no freelook at all

and that carried with Crispy

[hardy vessel]

even with freelook though, autoaim is still in place

[vale gyro]

and then into Woof as well

[vale gyro]

not really

at least not in GZDoom by default

[hardy vessel]

not as magnetic but its still there

[vale gyro]

or well, I just never noticed it

I know vertical autoaim isn't there at all

maybe the horizontal autoaim

[hardy vessel]

ive had instances where my aim was nowhere near the enemy and i still dropped them

[vale gyro]

but yeah

I'm considered insane by some people due to my nitpicky-ness about source ports

lol

[hardy vessel]

it's called purist

although thats semi purist in this case

[vale gyro]

it's not even purist type stuff

I actually have a lot of other stuff I need in ports

[hardy vessel]

have you tried stuff like brutal doom?

[vale gyro]

colored blood, the exact resolution I'm used to in Crispy Doom, brightmaps (although I don't exactly notice these as much so I can usually for-go these in ports)

[vale gyro]

yeah, one of my first mods I played, actually back when I mained GZDoom

[hardy vessel]

or voxel doom

[vale gyro]

yeah, I use Voxel Doom in Woof once in a while

[hardy vessel]

voxel doom is really good

[vale gyro]

because they recently added it in starting v14

though I actually have this "DoomRemaster" modpack I made for GZDoom

it's merely visual enhancements (and well, one of the more popular metal OST packs Brutal Doom players like to use)

Voxel Doom, Voxel Nashgore, and Smooth Doom, mainly

I really need to go in and get in a colored blood mod for GZDoom, though

I haven't yet

aight, found one

finally that glaring issue is fixed

[hardy vessel]

it's amazing how doom looks with a few mods

[vale gyro]

GZDoom has been rendered usable now

[hardy vessel]

it's so flexible

[vale gyro]

I still prefer Woof any day, though

[vale gyro]

you're not wrong

I'm amazed by some of the mods made for it

like Total Chaos

[hardy vessel]

tc is beautiful

[vale gyro]

also, some of the maps made for GZDoom

that'd be the only reason I'd use GZDoom

is because of how good those maps can look

[hardy vessel]

i remember when i first found about doom modding, i randomly saw it and said no way taht's doom, wtf

that's when i found out about gzdoom

[vale gyro]

I found out about GZ because that was the port everyone recommended in Youtube videos and stuff

and I thought it was the only port to exist, I think

later found out about Crispy Doom when I wanted to play Sigil

and later found out about my current main port, Woof, when I wanted to play Overboard

Woof has literally every feature I want out of a port and I love it

colored blood, brightmaps, having the visual stuff of Crispy Doom, organized save files, an image of your saves, etc.

[hardy vessel]

i didnt know about woof

[vale gyro]

it's basically a modern-day version of WinMBF

it's more of a purist port

though, it does have support for the Voxel Doom models, which is nice when I want to dabble with them

[hardy vessel]

iprefer running from gog for close-to-purist

[vale gyro]

you'd probably like Woof if you ever want to try it

[hardy vessel]

im reading its wiki

[upper crypt]

I’ve been playing Momento Mori and it’s quite enjoyable I love playing older Wads

[median cloud]

Anyone here watch Mtpain27?

he hasnt been uploading a lot anymore lately

[atomic dust]

is there any custom map that forces the player to pick up a partial invisibility so fights will be much harder than they normally would be without it?

[hardy vessel]

that's an awfully specific requirement

[hardy vessel]

I believe there was a level in doom 2 reloaded where if you get detected, you get instantly surrounded by creatures

[celest coyote]

There’s a Scythe 1 map that forces you to fight cybers with a blurrysphere. Takes place in a library, but I forget the map number. 23?

[upper crypt]

Me

[azure nimbus]

flotsam map...I think it's 13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aftam8sVqPc&list=PL6z3JwchtJUEhgVYz3Nm7cfVt_BShNGQh&index=19

[violet sundial]

I'm missing 1 monster on map 15 :(

I found something weird #videos

[vale gyro]

sky textures have weird bugs with them

sky walls (if I’m correct) are meant to delete projectiles when they collide

however, it can still happen with normal wall textures under certain circumstances

I’m think decino made a video explaining the bug, actually

[violet sundial]

I'll have to check that out

I got 101% kills :D

[azure nimbus]

killcount on the post-game screen is super wonky with archviles

[violet sundial]

I think one managed to res an imp

[shrewd cipher]

i cant be the only one who hates those brutal doom type mods can i

the ones that always add way too many weapons with the epilepsy inducing muzzle flashes and replacing good lighting with shitty airbrush effects

2.5D levels with hyper realistic blood and glory kills and cringey excessive profanity

[azure nimbus]

doom is already 3d

[violet sundial]

Anyone else encounter a bug on TNT m31 Pharaoh

The sergeants at the end won't teleport in and I think they're stuck in a door preventing it from opening

I mean I don't need to kill them since I can easily just stock up on ammo and leave but it feels pretty lame to leave 60 enemies unkilled

[hexed escarp]

i feel you and i also don't enjoy playing them for all of the same reasons you listed, but other people do so to each their own

there isnt really any point in complaining about it

if you don't like it, just don't play it

and let others enjoy it

[shrewd cipher]

im not trying to say you arent allowed to enjoy them, just making sure i wasnt alone on it

[celest coyote]

There’s too much content to enjoy without mods like brutal doom. Tons of mapsets to play

But every now and then a change can be refreshing

[hardy vessel]

@shrewd cipher translating what you said: You hate adding flavor after hundreds of hours of beating the same game.

it's ok, there are many diehard purists,some people would look at you with despise if you played with mouse

[violet sundial]

Found out that the map is bugged without a patch

[glad hazel]

Sigil 2 is really cursed

so i guess im world first

who done e6m1 with -fast monsters

no demos/vids of it

[terse ruin]

How do I check how many maps are in a custom wad? I know some authors say so in the description, but not all. Any way to check the wad itself? Using gzdoom source port and DoomRunner as a launcher.

[azure nimbus]

idclev to 30. if there's a map, go forwards to 30+. if not, go backwards until you hit one.

[terse ruin]

Thanks. Seems a bit janky though.

[azure nimbus]

it's another to use an editor than the port itself but using the tools you have, it'll take 15 seconds

[terse ruin]

True. Won't take long.

[azure nimbus]

He was fairly specific about which flavor he didn't like. If someone doesn't like spicy food, saying they don't like any flavor is pretty silly

[grave abyss]

guys where to find ultimate doom builder i see many versions idk which is the right one

[stiff remnant]

have y'all heard of shrine II

its like this really well designed doom engine game on steam and its free

(its my pfp aswell)

@grave abyss not allowed to post the link here for some reason, just look up ultimate doom builder and look for the github page, then press download latest

[azure nimbus]

as long as it says "ultimate '

[shrewd cipher]

it doesnt matter how much "flavor" you add if all the new flavor tastes like ass

[ebon crane]

then get good flavour?

[limpid flame]

Can anyone recommend me some good Doom engine that looks almost exactly if not exactly like original Doom?

[ebon crane]

chocolate or crispy doom i believe would be good options

(im not a purist and i havent used them so ask like coderpenguin for closer stuff

[limpid flame]

Ohh, I see-

Thank you-

[celest coyote]

Dsda doom is the best merge between vanilla and modern. It’s a bit more on the cool side than chocolate or crispy. Only nerds use those two.

You don’t want to be a nerd, do you?

[void hemlock]

PrBoom+ is your best option. It has the game/WAD compatibility settings and video settings where you can customize it enough to retain (and enhance!) the vanilla Doom feel and experience.

[limpid flame]

I am a nerd xd

[limpid flame]

Thank youu

[celest coyote]

Dsda is a better version of PrBoom+, Pr is older

[vale gyro]

Woof in my opinion is a good balance

Yes, I know I’m over 2 hours late to this

It does not have all complevels seen in DSDA but you can play all (non-ZDoom) modern map sets with Woof

Plus it has some visual features from Crispy

And as a bonus, the ability to use Voxel enemies and items if you wish

[vale gyro]

The main two I can think of are colored blood and brightmaps

[limpid flame]

I see-

[zealous galleon]

Guess I'm achievement hunting in doom 2 and I need help are there short cuts to beating the levels

[vale gyro]

you can look at speedruns of the game to see how movement is used

[zealous galleon]

Ok can you tell me what to expect

[vale gyro]

eh, not really

I don't really take shortcuts in levels to begin with

[hexed escarp]

i seconddd the suggestion for woof

[hexed escarp]

there are a few but not too many

better movement will help you more than shortcuts

woof also has the easiest to navigate (imo) settings menu of all of the ports

and if you set resolution to 100%, turn off uncapped framerate, turn off widescreen, and play on complevel 2, it will be identical to the original

[vale gyro]

complevel 3 for UDoom

[hexed escarp]

ah yeah

for doom 1/ultimate doom do complevel 3

[hardy vessel]

Sure, the most popular mod out there for doom, is the worst flavor.

[shrewd cipher]

popularity isnt quality but sure man

i wasnt even saying youre not allowed to play it, just that i didnt like it

but based on your doom 3 rant youre probably into more "jangling keys and flashing lights in your face until u start seizing" style of games

[hardy vessel]

You didnt say you dindt like it, you said it's epilepsy inducing, shitty and cringey.

[shrewd cipher]

because its edge for the sake of edge

its like watching a family guy episode past season 6

[hardy vessel]

Edge? in a game where you a one dude army tearing through armies of demons with a double-barrel shotgun?

Damn, i didnt see it coming.

[shrewd cipher]

yknow what thats a good point ngl

classic doom is pretty edgy but i feel those mods are over the top with it

[hardy vessel]

I cant type anythng correctly it seems

[hexed escarp]

some people enjoy brutal doom
others don't

[hardy vessel]

I agree with the "adding too many weapons", though. I dont think SOME of the weapons should be in there.

[hexed escarp]

end of discussion

[shrewd cipher]

yea its probably more productive to talk about more agreed on topics

[hexed escarp]

i do agree with you tho

imo the reason classic doom's gameplay is so great is because of it's simplicity

the fact that each individual mechanic is very simple in it's function means that the level designer has much more control over how the encounter plays out

and can use this to structure very interesting and unique fights

this wasn't necessarily done in the stock levels, but the fact that people are still creating and playing levels to this day with (at least mostly) the vanilla monsters and weapons says something

[shrewd cipher]

Classic doom is more reliant on level design than pure gunplay

[hexed escarp]

^^

thats why i love it

[shrewd cipher]

not that "reliant" is a bad trait, just means you really have to know what youre doing as a mapper

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[violet sundial]

I watched decino play sunlust lol

[hexed escarp]

this is the element that i feel is missing from the new doom games

i loved doom eternal

but at the same time i kinda wish there was a modern triple a game with gameplay more similar to classic doom's

[violet sundial]

have you tried hard reset

[hexed escarp]

i have not

[violet sundial]

I think it's probably indie

Pretty fun though

[hexed escarp]

cool

[shrewd cipher]

thats why i think the new game will be more classic

or at least hope so

[hexed escarp]

il check it out

[shrewd cipher]

more focus on health and ammo pickups instead of getting it from enemies

more open ended puzzle-like levels, keycards n all that

[hexed escarp]

sounds cool!

[violet sundial]

I think doom 2016's weapon design was actually inspired by hard reset

[shrewd cipher]

is that another way of saying pistol start?

[hexed escarp]

no they are talking about a game called 'hard reset'

[hexed escarp]

wait what new game. I don't think there is a doom game in development atm

at least one we know about. That year zero one we were hearing about a little while ago was confirmed to be canceled i think

oh its not confirmed as canceledd

just likely

but maybe not

[shrewd cipher]

well nothings really confirmed but we all know itll be eventually

as far as i know updates for eternal are over so thats naturally the next step

[hexed escarp]

actually

its funny you say that

[shrewd cipher]

sadge

[hexed escarp]

oh, right

[shrewd cipher]

but im assuming that was eternal news

[hexed escarp]

well not really news

but speculation

basically there is this thing called steamdb that tracks all changes to a game on steam

and for doom eternal, it was showing lots of internal updates

they were not really clear on what they were

until one day

on March 12th of this year (ik it was a little while ago but still), a change was uploaded that added a launch option for a new exe called DOOMModPortal.exe

like, I hate to get my hopes up, but what else could that be

[violet sundial]

Portal sequel in Doom

[hexed escarp]

lol

[finite crag]

Any way to run Doom on iPod Classic 7th Gen without RockBox?

[violet sundial]

wow map 20 of TNT has some nice doom cute

[weary arrow]

Real

[finite crag]

what does that mean

[weary arrow]

Real

[finite crag]

Fake

[violet sundial]

Revenant searching sfx stresses me out so much

[violet sundial]

That's a whole different level of freakout tbh

The moment I hear that I get weak knees and want to lay down and give up

[cursive cipher]

finally finished TNT and wow that last map was ass

who the fuck designes it so you have to be right below the last step to hit the icon??
making the primary obstacle in actually hitting your shot autoaim, god

the rest of the map wasn't too bad though after a couple times I did realize you just literally never had to engage with any of the enemies lol

[cursive cipher]

Idk when I'll play Plutonia but I'll definitely do so with saves then lol

[cursive cipher]

I've been playing on UV

[violet sundial]

You shoot archviles with the ssg? I always try to 1hko them with the bfg lol

[violet sundial]

You're telling me I have to defeat the icon of sin again?

I just finished the quarry

[violet sundial]

Did you beat TNT with saves or no?

If you hit it with the entire spread?

How many pellets does it shoot?

[cursive cipher]

stunning an archie (like any enemy) is RNG, but Archviles have an absurdly low pain chance. Even with every pellet it's less than a 50% chance to make them flinch
You have time for 2 SSG shots before you have to go back under cover for their attack. It's overall an 80% chance-ish to get a stun from all that. Not something to rely on.

which is to say that half of it is "doing it right", the other half is luck lol

[cursive cipher]

no saves

[violet sundial]

Ah, I'm using saves bc I usually do that for the first playthrough

Good job

[cursive cipher]

the issue is less the difficulty and more how time-consuming it is lol
you die that can be like 20 minutes down the drain

...
wow I just had a
yeah no, that makes sense

I should probably be using saves on Quake huh...

right but, yeah
I do like the vibe of doing a level in one go, but like, 20 minuts adds up

my formula for TNT was just, go
start the game, beat level
go to next level, keep playing
if I die, respawn. pistol start
then just keep going until I make it all the way

I like it cause I get cool incentive to finish on my first, totally blind run, and there's some more meaningful consequence for dying
but since I often do die, I also get to have the pistol start progression, which I find fun

I'll probably adjust my formula next time so I can use saves after notable thresholds after I die on the blind run

[violet sundial]

it does seem like a totally different game since TNT is generous with the ammo and I've been full stacked since pyramid

[celest coyote]

TNT

[ebon crane]

wasnt it 60%?

[violet sundial]

I know it's called TNT but how many "mines" levels do they need??

On Ballistyx

[cobalt fox]

DOOM II AS AN APP IS A GODSEND ITS SO FUN, VERY NICE WHEN WI-FI ISNT AVAILABLE

[violet sundial]

heck

that's a lot of pain

[thin gulch]

Doesn't it cost like $5?

[violet sundial]

TNT's final boss seems easier than Doom 2's

[azure nimbus]

yep

[violet sundial]

Just installed plutonia

[cobalt fox]

I think it’s 2 dollars but worth it

[cobalt fox]

I did II twice fully through it’s not the worst

Difficult I will say

[violet sundial]

Understatement

2 archviles map1

[gusty bobcat]

it's only gonna get better from there

[cobalt fox]

I said it wasn’t that bad!!

2 archviles? That doesn’t sound hard

[violet sundial]

At least that ssg tip came in handy

[hardy vessel]

you mean plutonia experiment?

[cursive cipher]

what else would it be lol

[violet sundial]

I had misspelled it

[hardy vessel]

i thought it was a mod named plutonium

[cursive cipher]

mh

[violet sundial]

same

[hardy vessel]

i mean when you said plutonium, i thought you were referring to some mod for the plutonia experiment named plutonium. So i had to check out of curiosity.

there's so many cool mods for doom, i wanna play them all

theres a doom eternal mod for doom

[violet sundial]

I saw that

[cursive plaza]

too difficult ahh

[lapis wolf]

I'm going to regret saying this but.... episode 1 of DOOM 1 gets old fast.

With the lack of enemy types and counts, the samey feel etc...it just feels more....safe and monotonous than the other episodes

Also lack of weapons and things like that

[lapis wolf]

It's a good episode, though I thought Episode 4 for example had much higher peaks, and much more appealing aesthetics, despite its inconsistency and rough start.

[finite crag]

wait i just found a room in doom 1993 on my iphone 5. it has a tall pillar with a chainsaw on it. How do I get it? I think it's on the 2nd level of the first episode

[finite crag]

There is a maze like area you can find on the map you can find after pressing the switch located after the red door, after you enter the maze and walk over to the right of it, you can find a hallway with some green security armor and some pickups, you have to shoot the wall where the armor is and it will open, revealing a hallway witch leads you to the chainsaw

[azure nimbus]

It is the tutorial of the game that was most people's first time using mouse and key simultaniously

[shrewd cipher]

episode one is peak D93

[finite crag]

The Id Tech 1 engine (DOOM Engine) uses the Z axis as the Y axis and vice versa

[tidal jetty]

I JUST REALIZED E3M2 IS SHAPED LIKE A HAND

I PLAYED THAT MAP 4 YEARS AGO

[shrewd cipher]

E3s best level imo

except for the lost souls at the end

[tidal jetty]

when i first played it i was a dumb 10 year old

so i didnt like it because i kept getting lost

[shrewd cipher]

what even is every episodes best level

E1 has M2 M3 M9 and M7, tho M8 is peak for soundtrack alone

E2 is kinda lame besides M1 and M8

[tidal jetty]

m9 has such a good soundtrack

[shrewd cipher]

true but no song will ever top sign of evil imo

[tidal jetty]

yeah, has a sick ass cover by shredd
https://youtu.be/fYojvShgR8Q

[shrewd cipher]

its so depressing compared to the kick ass rock of the other E1 songs

[tidal jetty]

yeah those type of songs are so good

shows how well doom works in different atmospheres

like https://youtu.be/FMex4f8cwEY or https://youtu.be/TZQc9Uf5eSE

[shrewd cipher]

best cover ive ever heard

[lapis wolf]

I think I agree.

Episode 1 is great.

E2 is lame.

E3 is bad.

E4 is a mixed bag, with extremely high highs and extremely low lows, I'd say E4 is second best

It's just 1993 in general gets old fast compared to DOOM II with the lack of SSG, monster variety, and monster count.

... and basically every Episode 1 looks the same

Episode 1 is the only consistently good episode of 1993, but it's still hurt by the low variety, enemy count, and weapon variety, and lack of the SSG that II introduces.

... and the common zombie man, imps, and shotgunners all the time get so monotonous, especially since you can't use the plasma rifle and BFG yet

Even though E3 sucks, I do like Mt. Erebus and the general aesthetics and atmosphere a lot.

[lapis wolf]

I mean it's still the best episode of 1993, but that's because the rest of the game is very inconsistent lol

[tidal jetty]

i personally like e3

its faster paced, has more varied level design

[violet sundial]

e1m6, e2m6, e3m3 are pretty fun

[tidal jetty]

they also give you the bfg in m4

the levels look good as well

e2 just feels boring with its asthetics

[violet sundial]

e2m6 may be my favorite map in doom 1

the fake exit is just so evil

[tidal jetty]

i hated it when i first played it

i love it now

[violet sundial]

If I hate a map it's a well designed map imo

[tidal jetty]

or its a really, really bad map

no inbetween

[violet sundial]

a bad map just makes me go meh

[tidal jetty]

theres not that many maps that are so bad i hate them

tricks and traps im not sure is good or not

that ending is really annoying

but the rest is cool

[shrewd cipher]

i think theyre cool visually but actually playing them makes me groan

[stiff remnant]

god i just discovered this pk3 called blufire hell and it genuinely blew my mind so much playing it

[lapis wolf]

I very rarely see people like E3, but glad to see it

[lapis wolf]

Which one?

[shrewd cipher]

E3 and 4 mostly

i actually do kinda like episode 2 a lil bit

[lapis wolf]

Oh yeah both kinda suck. There's a few cool levels on E4 tho, maybe like 2 or 3

[lapis wolf]

I only really like the first level of E2, not much else

The box maze level/E2M2 is one of the ugliest, most tedious maps in DOOM history.

Especially if you're like me where you're obsessed with getting 100% secrets every time you replay

I also can't play 1993 anymore... without enabling fast monsters.

Fast monsters makes it much more fun, and pinkies are actually scary like that.

[shrewd cipher]

M2 and M1 are cool, plus i think theresone with the cyberdemon in front of the exit

M4 i believe

[shrewd cipher]

E2M2 literally makes me quit the game

[split jewel]

Someone made a rail shooter Doom mod. Pretty cool. I prefer them more fast paced though.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/145059-the-river-a-doom-railshooter-release

[lapis wolf]

I like the sunset one. I don't remember which one that is.

Mission 3 maybe?

[violet sundial]

E4 is vicious in the start, especially if you want to 100%

[lapis wolf]

Yeah and it doesn't really get much better afterwards unfortunately

[lapis wolf]

I guess they're all sunsets now that I think about it lol

[shrewd cipher]

cyberdemon makes it worth it imo but E2M2 is seriously holding it back

it sucks too cuz M1 is super promising, top 5 maps of the whole game

[violet sundial]

I actually really enjoy e2m2 lol

[shrewd cipher]

maybe its one of those aquired tastes

once you take the time to figure it out its good

[violet sundial]

I also enjoyed administration center

So I'm an anomaly

[shrewd cipher]

but i dont have the energy

[shrewd cipher]

which one is that i dont remember the names

[violet sundial]

TNT m26 iirc

The one before mt pain

[shrewd cipher]

oh i still havent got around to playing tnt

tryna get the most out of the base maps

i guess tnt is technically base game since final doom has it off rip

[violet sundial]

If you don't like large labyrinthine maps you might fall asleep

[shrewd cipher]

that does seem a lil boring but id play just to have new levels

[lapis wolf]

I used to like 1993 more than DOOM II for awhile...but I been replaying both a lot lately....

... and I grown to like DOOM II more. By a pretty significant amount too.

It's just so much more fun and interesting, and so much crazier and more creative.

I'm not sure why people think it's more inconsistent than 1993, when Episode 1 is the only consistent episode of the the first game.

Overall both DOOM 1 and DOOM 2 are similar in inconsistency, but DOOM II has much higher enemy count, much better enemy variety, much more creative and experimental levels, and the Super Shotgun.

It's just much more engaging overall

Also 1993 never had anything like Tricks and Traps

[lapis wolf]

Yes. I love everything about the first level, also one of the best music tracks of not only DOOM 1, but one of the best songs of the whole series too.

That smooth ass rock jazz song is tight

Reminds me of James Bond or something

[lapis wolf]

Accidentally wrote an article lmao

[shrewd cipher]

i like mancubi and spiders but chaingunners can go burn

[lapis wolf]

I don't see a lot of people mention this, but if you listen close, it's actually a remix of the E1M1 song

[shrewd cipher]

only thing i like about them is they can turn a bunch of monsters onto them in a row if you move in front of them

[lapis wolf]

I like or hate Chaingunnners depending on how they're used

Though they can only be fun if I have a Chaingun or Plasma Rifle to stun lock and wreck them....or if I have enough rockets to snipe them from a distance.

Also Chaingunnners are some of the best enemies to start cool and helpful infighting

[shrewd cipher]

i just hate how accurate they are

and they always place 2-4 at a time so theyre sniping you from halfway across the map

[lapis wolf]

Yeah. From far away they can't get you too well if you snipe with rockets atleast.

... and with Chaingun or Plasma Rifle, they're too stun locked to even attack

I HATE using the Super Shotgun to deal with them, most of the time it won't even kill them, and the reload speed is so damn slow that you'll get gang fucked by them

Regular shotgun is OKAY at dealing with them because it's fast, but not ideal and still annoying

But regular Shotgunners are honestly really annoying in both games

Them pesky hitscanner bitches.

[violet sundial]

One level takes this to an extreme with 400 zombies and imps lol

[lapis wolf]

Despite this, I still love Plutonia, even if gets admittedly bullshit and annoying at times

Though I don't think I'd ever play Plutonia with fast monsters enabled. Fuck that.

[shrewd cipher]

i like to use chaingun on them cuz missing a shotgun blast leaves you with your pants down

[lapis wolf]

Especially if it's the Super Shotgun, because the reload speed is REALLY slow

Using shotgun even against the shotgunners is annoying lol

E1M7 from 1993 has a shitton of shotgunners, and they're only tolerable with the chaingun lmao

Also I hate using regular shotgun against pinkies and spectres

[violet sundial]

I try to always peekaboo murder chaingunners with the chaingun

They deserve it

I will use the sshotgun on clumps though

[lapis wolf]

And who could forget shotgunning or even SSGing Barons. The most tedious thing in the world lol

I like SSGing Hell Knights though

[shrewd cipher]

i really like it tbh, i feel ssg makes pinkies too easy

kinda similar to knights vs chaingun shield in eternal

[lapis wolf]

There's one part in Plutonia that feels nearly impossible if you don't shoot a shitton of rockets from far away at a huge group of chaingunners

[shrewd cipher]

you see knight, you press shield and all of a sudden you dont see the knight anymore

[lapis wolf]

Not sure I agree.

Maybe in the base game, but not in WADs, with their pinky placements or enemy combos.... and the large large amount of pinkies.

Also when I played with fast monsters, pinkies are still a bitch in numbers and/or right placements/enemy combos even in regular DOOM II

[violet sundial]

Shield?

[lapis wolf]

To be fair the Chaingun shield just deletes everything in Eternal if you shield bash, not just Hell Knights lol

[violet sundial]

is that a weapon mod?

[lapis wolf]

Yeah. Fully upgraded shield is broken

Especially when you launch the energy shield as a projectile.....or if you shield bash with it by dashing

[violet sundial]

I was wondering if I had missed something lol

[lapis wolf]

And everything gets deleted and heavy faltered/stun locked by it

[shrewd cipher]

is toggling walk to brake before switching direction faster than keeping the run active

[lapis wolf]

There's even a tech/exploit called Bulldozer where you can basically one shot possessed Tyrants with a shield bash

[shrewd cipher]

ive been trying it and it seems faster but other times it screws me

[lapis wolf]

Jeez, I tried to play Eternal today and it felt so slow compared to classic Doom, even with bunny hops and yeet hooks.

Eternal is fast as fuck with cheat codes though. Permanent Overdrive power up baby

[lapis wolf]

I screwed around with that lately, probably another reason why regular Eternal feels so slow and weird now lol

[shrewd cipher]

theres a surprising amount of dead air in eternal cuz of GKs and chainsaw

[lapis wolf]

I never played TNT, but I have seen everyone hate on it, besides the wormhole level or something lol

[lapis wolf]

Hmm?

[violet sundial]

Wormhole was so cool

[shrewd cipher]

or dead space or whatever streamers call it

when theres nothing going on

[lapis wolf]

If you mean flow stoppers then yeah, the amount of times and frequency the game wants you to chainsaw hurts the flow a lot for me personally

Especially when you have to look for a random imp to chainsaw but he keeps hiding and running away in a big ass arena

[shrewd cipher]

chainsaw wouldnt be that bad if there were more animations

its weird theres so few when the game basically forces you to use it every 2 mins

[lapis wolf]

I wish the chainsaw was an actual weapon.

The older chainsaws were so much more fun

2016 chainsaw was also more fun because it has better and more brutal animations and gore and you don't have to use it 24/7

[shrewd cipher]

saved a lot in ammo too, probably what were going for with 2016 and eternal but u cant mow through hordes the way you did in the other games

[lapis wolf]

My favorite chainsaws were 64 and DOOM 3's.

64 had the double blade and has significantly better kill power than the 1993 and DOOM II one

DOOM 3 was overpowered as fuck, but you had to get a very specific angle and it was risky, otherwise you'd get fucked up.

DOOM 64 chainsaw could also stun lock Hell Knights and even Barons to death much more reliably than Doom 1 and 2's

It wasn't guaranteed though

And it was still kinda tricky

[remote cedar]

iirc 64 chainsaw is viable against turbo pinkies

[lapis wolf]

Yes. The only chainsaw in the series that was actually good against fast monster pinkies

My favorite to least favorite chainsaws :

64 > Doom 3 > 2016 > 1993/DOOM II >>>>> Eternal

[lapis wolf]

I thought about putting 1993/DOOM II chainsaw over 2016's, but it's a bit too unreliable and wonky a lot of times.

[violet sundial]

Ok I cleared the extra evil room with the stationary archvile on m5 of plutonia

First I pulled the pinkies and archviles out, killed them, then cleared out the chaingunners, then went upstairs and pulled the barons downstairs and I ssged them all to conserve rockets since there's tons of shells in this map, then I rocketed the archvile

I managed to save the mega sphere until the end so I'm starting the next map with full HP and armor and a full stack of shells

[lapis wolf]

Do people hate Map 09 of DOOM II? It's one of my favorite levels in any game

[lapis wolf]

Damn nice

[violet sundial]

and the next map starts off with a firing squad of revenants. Nice

[violet sundial]

I did the first time. The next run I knew about the shotgun closet though so it wasn't as bad

[lapis wolf]

Even though I prefer DOOM II over 1993, I can definitely admit that it's a lot uglier than 1993 lol

[lapis wolf]

Even better

[violet sundial]

Yeah the middle levels are pretty ugly, the last levels are pretty gimmicky

I think m28 and 29 are possibly the best og doom maps though

[lapis wolf]

Yeah. Also the John Romero city map, which is map 15 is one of my favorite levels in the game.

I even like it aesthetically, probably because it's John Romero

I also really like the Sandy Petersen city level from Map 16.

The giant fights and infighting are super fun.

A shitton of Mancubi and Revenants and it's amazing

[lapis wolf]

Yeah, though for Hell based locations. I loved the Spirit World.

It's my favorite depiction of Hell from both DOOM II and 1993

[violet sundial]

The ost is amazing

[lapis wolf]

Oh wait, Spirit World is Map 28?

I thought it was Map 25 for some reason

[lapis wolf]

Agreed. It reminds me of Donkey Kong Country 2, actually.

I swear they secretly got David Wise for that song.

[lapis wolf]

Both are bangers and phenomenal, ye

I've heard that one of John Romero's all time favorite DOOM levels is actually The Spirit World which I thought was cool to learn.

https://youtu.be/CP0nFpV_fd8?si=xlzrcotDXgYevL4g

This reminds me a lot of Spirit World

[violet sundial]

Spirit world is actually the only doom 2 level I remember watching my dad play when I was like 3 years old

[lapis wolf]

Yooo that's rad

Guess he loved DOOM II?

Question for anyone here. Do y'all prefer DOOM II or 1993? (No custom wads)

A level I used to hate was barrels o' fun, but now I really like it.

It's such a goofy level lol

[violet sundial]

He only ever beat it with cheats lol

[lapis wolf]

I even like the Chasm now quite a lot too

Though admittedly I play the Chasm with save states, but outside of the tight rope platforming, there's a LOT of really creative and interesting design choices on the Chasm lol

[lapis wolf]

Lol. Did he find it fun even with cheats?

[violet sundial]

I'm sure he did

[violet sundial]

Uh lol what

That's the only doom 2 level I hate

[lapis wolf]

Used to hate it, but when I went for 100% secrets, there's so many awesome encounters on it

I'm sure I would hate it if I didn't save scum though

[lapis wolf]

Or do y'all like both equally?

[lapis wolf]

I'm surprised you don't hate Nirvana. Everyone hates that level

Though, Nirvana is just okay IMO, it's too short and inoffensive to deserve the infamous reputation it gets IMO

https://youtu.be/VTCLmNIzw7E?si=BP5I05p41ya0VsQp

Godlike map IMO

[azure nimbus]

Sandy's first level too

[hardy vessel]

doom ii is the best doom imo, by far

[lapis wolf]

Can see the argument. Especially with custom wads.

DOOM II is tied with 64 as my second favorite personally

[hardy vessel]

what would be first

[violet sundial]

Me, failing to cross the gap to get to the switch to open the teleporter needed to get to the red key 40 times in a row:

[shrewd cipher]

how do you jump into that pit on map 3

i remember doing it once it has a plasma gun iirc but now i cant do it

[violet sundial]

Sprint along the ledge to the left as you walk into the room

That's how I do it anyway

[lapis wolf]

Thinking about it.

Eternal, 64, and DOOM II are kinda a three way tie at 2nd

It's just I get way too burnt out from Eternal a lot of the times because I play it too much

But then I start loving it again lol

[lapis wolf]

1. 2016
2. DOOM II, 64, Eternal interchangeable
3. DOOM 3: Resurrection of Evil
4. 1993
5. DOOM 3 Main Campaign and Lost Mission

[hardy vessel]

how about final doom? O_o

no love for tnt evilution and plutonia experiment?

[shrewd cipher]

i can only play one or two levels per session before i get overstimulated

[lapis wolf]

Oh sorry I was only ranking mainline releases

Plutonia would probably be tied with Eternal, 64, and DOOM II

[violet sundial]

Is that like when you hear a caco screech too much

[lapis wolf]

Since I played the game so much. I can only have fun with the infinite ammo combined with infinite overdrive cheats enabled.

It allows me to do a lot more crazy movement, combos, blood punch chains, and punch swap combos

Otherwise the game feels too rigid and stale to me at this point

[violet sundial]

I'll start telling the demons to stop screaming in my ear right before I blow them to smithereens

[shrewd cipher]

im not sure really, its hard to hear the demons over all the music

[lapis wolf]

Without cheat, Eternal's probably my least favorite DOOM because I'm so tired of the way the regular game plays lol

[shrewd cipher]

speaking of which, playing without the music isnt really that bad, feels sorta zen turning it into a zen experience

bruh i forgot what i typed mid message

[lapis wolf]

Keep in mind, my list changes frequently all the damn time.

Probably because all DOOM games are great and different ways and scratch different niches and moods

[shrewd cipher]

i love eternal but that might be cuz i dont have the skill to see its flaws

[lapis wolf]

Eternal used to be my favorite game ever and an incomparable gold standard of all of gaming to me

For a long time

It was one of the very few modern games that made me straight up go "wow this is so fucking awesome", along with 2016

I also used to hate Classic DOOM

Used to think they were a slog and aged poorly

[lapis wolf]

Though for 1993, I STILL think is kinda a slog and hasn't aged too well outside of Episode 1

[shrewd cipher]

Kiryu biggest 93 hater

i dont even blame you it really does tank halfway through aside from a couple good maps

[hardy vessel]

hasnt aged well? a 30 year old game for msdos that is still being played and modded... how hasnt it aged well, wtf

[finite crag]

How to switch weapons in Doom for the iPhone 5?

[shrewd cipher]

because every map after the cyberdemon sucks butt ass

[lapis wolf]

Doom Eternal is top 5 most aesthetically pleasing modern game.

It's so visually gorgeous

[lapis wolf]

Even though I do prefer the way 2016 looks. Eternal still looks phenomenal

[shrewd cipher]

obtuse mazey rooms just for the sake of being obtuse and mazey

[shrewd cipher]

urdak my beloved

[hardy vessel]

that is not bad aging, that is you having trouble with the levels

[shrewd cipher]

okay capybara

[hardy vessel]

tahts like saying eternal is bad cause i suck at it

[shrewd cipher]

if eternals levels started tanking after mars core then it wouldnt be a very good game

[remote cedar]

"what I don't like is bad, what I like is good" is a very common mindset nowadays

[shrewd cipher]

i feel like you can like a game and recognize its importance while also expressing it has flaws

[remote cedar]

Classic Doom did in fact not age well, if we keep it to the base game

[lapis wolf]

Urdak is cool, but Nekravol Part 1 and 2 are my jam

[remote cedar]

but with all the QoL mods and sourceports available out there you can freshen it up quite well

[hardy vessel]

You can like or dislike some levels, that doesnt make a game age bad. That is what I am saying.

[shrewd cipher]

i could see that

[lapis wolf]

Plus Nekravol Part 2 got the brilliant Urdak/Maykr hybrid with Hell

I used to not like the Maykr stuff intertwining with Hell, but it's really grown on me

[shrewd cipher]

yea that slipgate with the tyrant

one of my favorite encounters

i saw a guy cheese the tyrant by ice bombing it before it jumps onto the arena

[shrewd cipher]

imo its not too big a stretch cuz Makyrs are all mechanical and robotic, doom was already mixing cybernetics with hell from the beginning

they could make a Makyr demon and it wouldnt feel too out of place

[lapis wolf]

LMFAO. I JUST REPLAYED THAT SHIT RIGHT NOW AND COMPLETED IT as you mentioned it.

Coincidence? I think not!

[lapis wolf]

That's why it grew on me, it was such a Classic DOOM way to introduce a new type of environment

[shrewd cipher]

now that i think about it id love to see a Makyr demon

give the 2016 mancubis makyr wings and have him fly around like a wasp with chainguns