classic-doom

[vast reef]

but that can be mitigated by making multiple saves

thank you

[gusty bobcat]

As I said at the end of it all, the only to play Doom is to have fun.

You dont have to play like he does, but you are encouraged to try.

[vale gyro]

Nope

One of the reasons I’ve hated the Unity port

Those bloody intro logos

Gotta spam space to get rid of them

At least you can skip them unlike any modern Doom game

I mean if you play on PC you could try a couple source ports to see if you’d prefer them

[azure nimbus]

It's very possible to land 3000 damage with a single BFG so you can 1-hit her. BFGs will always deal at least 2000 so at worst she's a 2hit. If there's inconsistency, it will come from blockmap issues. As the widest monster in the game, her hitbox is particularly difficult to work with for hitscan in the blockmap

[cosmic pagoda]

yes, specify a map at launch

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah I definitely have done that quite a bit, however when I tested it out with launching e3m8 and doing IDFA, didnt get it in 4 tries and it was already sleep time for me so didnt try any more

[cosmic pagoda]

works quite well with dsda launcher
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634517968578936842/1215262245689364550/Desktop_2024.03.07_-_13.36.09.56.mp4?ex=65fc1c29&is=65e9a729&hm=76cc77ebb98d39a87f19b629a69b213bb2fec1541bf2ebbeffb5544be9d709a3&

oh you were talking about some weird console port

then no idea

[vale gyro]

Yeah, yet again the horrible Unity port

At start it plays all the same animations Doom Eternal and Doom 2016 play

[cosmic pagoda]

I like dsda for that reason especially its conducive to my playing habits i.e "got 10 minutes to kill along with my morning coffee", I can launch it fast and do it, hit launch, hit F9 to quickload and shoot away

so unless I have lots of time I often play in short segments

currently pistol starting my way through PL2 on UV

man map11 was a ball buster without the rocket launcher at start

and when you finally do get it, that 4 vile ambush is just.... mean

[vast reef]

the unity port isn't that bad

but it's lacking in comparison to the rest of the source port ecosystem (? not sure if i used the term correctly)

[vale gyro]

I just don’t like a lot of the stuff they did with it

Only good thing I could say they did was there add-ons system so even console players could get some wads and easier than any other port

[gusty bobcat]

Its fine, for an official is the best one yet, considering the ones since Doom95, Xbox, PS3, etc

[vast reef]

yup

[gusty bobcat]

Tho, no, for an experiences player the feast of choices for source ports is plentyful

[vast reef]

would it be hard to make the unity port limit-removing

i haven't done any work with the doom codebase

[gusty bobcat]

It already is

[vast reef]

oh? i heard it wasn't

[vestal sable]

the only gripes i have with unity are the lack of autosaving and the lack of audiovisual addons (e.g. midi packs)

[gusty bobcat]

The lineage of official ports are the same codebase, history wise

And NRFTL is limitremoving on Xbox360

[vale gyro]

Nah best official port is the smart lawnmower port

[gusty bobcat]

So yes, Unity is limitremoving

[vale gyro]

But really, you kinda got me beat there

[gusty bobcat]

It doesnt have Boom features as i get it

[vast reef]

it's not limit-removing, at least based on this steam comment

[vale gyro]

Sigil requires a limit removing port

And you can play both of them on the Unity port

[vast reef]

oh, it is, then

got that settled

now, would it be possible to add an /idgames browser to the unity port

[vestal sable]

the censorship of nahtzy imagery is understandable and they bothered to put in more effort

[gusty bobcat]

Yes

[vestal sable]

and the widescreen assets and sc-55 music recordings help bring the game closer to modern standards

[vast reef]

ok and

we had that in like 2002 didn't we

2012 for the (bfg edition) nazi censorship

[vestal sable]

yeah the nazi censorship isn't new, but previous ports just replaced most of the decor textures with static brick walls and completely removing the officers

[vast reef]

oh wait widescreen assets, yeah, those are based

the unity port is Good Enough™️

but on PC, relatively, it's complete ass when other ports exist

[vale gyro]

One of the most famous Bethesda trademarks

“Good Enough”

I might honestly go and take a look back at the port when I got the spare time

See how I played the game before I made the switch to DOSBOX

[vast reef]

why is your ass playing on dosbox

[vale gyro]

Not anymore, I play on Woof mainly now

I used to only use it though

Until I switched to Crispy as my main port until recent when I wanted to play Sigil

[gusty bobcat]

GOAT source port

Crispy is great for playing Heretic and Hexen, since they don't have many good source ports that arent gzdoom

[cosmic pagoda]

I am most annoyed that an "official" port isnt demo compatible tbh

[vestal sable]

i'm a gzdoom guy, i like having freelook and i don't like when the view shears when looking up and down

[cosmic pagoda]

opengl rendering and freelook is available in pretty much every port nowadays

dont need gz for that

[vast reef]

dsda has that

pretty sure prboom and all its derivatives do

[finite crag]

I prefer GzDoom nowadays as it has the most options.

It's also compatible with my .pk3s I run for my personal Doom copies.

WadSmooshed shit doesn't seem to work with PrBoom+.

[vestal sable]

yeah that too
plus i also like using mini mods

[finite crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1214741799026036827/1215299371185344604/image.png?ex=65fc3ebd&is=65e9c9bd&hm=f52ec9f665256519800797a1adc356b0e90383200112bd99ae782100caa4f751&
Like come on. This looks Too Good

[gusty bobcat]

yeah, wadsmoosh depends on gzdoom exclusive features

[gusty bobcat]

beautiful

[vast reef]

main reason

gz runs basically everythinf

i use more conservative ports mainly for demo compat

[cosmic pagoda]

even crispy does

[vast reef]

woah, legit?

does it have full up and down though

like, you can look directly at the ceiling

[cosmic pagoda]

afaik yes

but why would you, chances are if you run crispy doom you wand that authentic experience

[vast reef]

yeah, that's why i never tried freelook in it LOL

[keen patrol]

I need advice, whats the best level to do the superior firepower achievement on?

@ me if you respond

[cosmic pagoda]

whats the achievement?

[keen patrol]

12 enemies with one bfg shot

[cosmic pagoda]

doom2 map 12

for example

or maybe the chaingunners in map09

probably the imps at map 12 are easier

if they work for pwads, any slaughtermap

[vale gyro]

Kinda. It’s how Heretic does it as Crispy uses a straight up software renderer

Same thing with Woof

[timid junco]

Does anyone want to help me with the not so bad trophy on doom 1993 ps4 via SharePlay?

[cosmic pagoda]

damn I need to practice two tapping cybies

I gotten even worse at it somehow than I used to be

[keen patrol]

Whens the earliest I can get the BFG

[cursive cipher]

is there any way to restore the old healthpack textures on the unity ports?

[cursive cipher]

dude
is there any way to make the game like, just a little brighter?
I can't see shit lol

how come none of the switches in this game like
actually click lol

[cosmic pagoda]

map08, I suppose you could try get it there too on the imps

[keen patrol]

Ok

Where is it in that map?

[cosmic pagoda]

in a secret

around where the pinkies are, gotta shoot the wall

[keen patrol]

Ok

Can it be done on pistol start as well as easiest difficulty?

[cosmic pagoda]

pistol start yes, idk if theres enough enemies for it to have good enough chances of killing 12 at once

[keen patrol]

Ok

[keen patrol]

Can you tell me what wall?

Nvm

Found it

[cursive cipher]

tfw you're doing really well with high health and ammo and then get one-shot by a cyberdemon rocket from behind an obscuring bush

[azure nimbus]

I'm sure you know, but worth saying for anyone else, aiming diagonally helps to fight the blockmap.

[keen patrol]

Can you tell me how to get the chainsaw? In the earliest level possible that is.

[cosmic pagoda]

map01

just walk back when you spawn

[keen patrol]

Tysm

Google has been no help

[cosmic pagoda]

if you want doom 1 then e1m2, in the secret through the maze

[keen patrol]

Ok

[cosmic pagoda]

actually made me think, that theres probably some analysis to be done towards optimal angle, since the tracers also are in a cone, so there will likely be an optimal angle to minimize the chances for you getting swindled out of damage by the blockmap curse

actually probably 45 degrees to the map grid

like other things

yeah

[azure nimbus]

use doomwiki/decino's youtube for more popular mapsets. As you play more though, resources won't be readily available. I can send you a quick guide on how to look through the editor to find secrets if you like

[keen patrol]

That does sound pretty good but I honestly dont have time or the memory to keep those things handy or on me, thank you for the offer tho.

Also I do watch Decinos vids, hes fun and informative to watch.

[vale gyro]

Just got my hands on an old Windows XP machine so I had to try running the original executables on it

too bad it ran incredibly slow, though

iirc XP has issues running DOS software fast so that could be that

or the possibly failing HD in it

or the endless bloatware on the PC

[cursive cipher]

LOL cyberdemon telefrag
I'll take it

[cursive cipher]

like I get it's intentional to a degree but I literally cannot make out a thing in some areas, is there no way to turn up the gamma or something?

[azure nimbus]

it's literally opening the map and clicking "search for secret sector" or "Search for bfg" then following arrows. It's less daunting than it seems

[keen patrol]

Hmmmm. Sure lets do it. Dm me it Im a lil busy rn.

[delicate elk]

DOOM ORIGINS - MANCUBUS EXPLAINED - MANCUBI HISTORY EXPLORED - DOOM LORE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTGXzuBfcGo

[cosmic pagoda]

with more complicated pwads you may have to do some hunting i.e "what the hell is even triggering that secret"

I had to resort to that with eviternity 2 for a couple, iddt only showed where it is, and was way too new a few months ago for anyone to put stuff on the wiki page

ooh speaking of, they finally uploaded the map 30 ost

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1C2Qp4GIss
soooooo goood

[keen patrol]

Controversial, but Doom 2 is not that good. It just felt like a copy of Doom 1 but with a new gun, a few new demons, but all around the same game but just a copy and an actual final boss that honestly wasnt really that good.

[gusty bobcat]

Eh, for it's time, it was an upgrade. More experienced devs means better level design, better monsters, the super shotty can't ever be understated, just play Sigil after having played half a dozen Doom 2 megawads to see why.

The biggest and best part of Doom, really, is the community made content, beyond the official addons, the Doomworld forums, the Youtube channels, Doom 1 and Ultimate Doom are more second thoughts after Doom 2

[remote cedar]

not controversial but I wouldn't agree with the reasons you cited

[vestal sable]

the levels are better than doom 1's latter half, but episodes 1, 4, and half of 2 are better than doom 2 as a whole

the added enemies and increased enemy counts are great however

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah thats why you need someone like Dario and Milo Casali to show the community how to take advantage of all the new stuff

This happened 😉
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/The_Plutonia_Experiment

[azure nimbus]

authors who put a billion hours into decorating can make it harder true

[cosmic pagoda]

ye

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah, for example the importance of the inclusion of the hell knight cant be overstated, a perfect mid tier enemy, and revenants, mancubi and viles make way more interesting fights possible

[azure nimbus]

with ultimate doom builder, it'll even show arrows. this is just DB https://youtu.be/gomcZmnGeWQ?si=nBvRfZEmTTqCXuED

[cursive cipher]

ok fine, what's the best source port?

[vale gyro]

There is no best

Some recommendations, however

[sick mist]

GZDOOM solid

[cursive cipher]

what are the best ones and what advantages and drawbacks do they present

[vale gyro]

Woof, Crispy Doom, and GZDoom

Woof is pretty much a slightly more advanced Crispy

And also allows you to play more maps than Crispy

Crispy is just Crispy, really

It’s basically there for its uncapped framerate but I still love it nonetheless

GZDoom can play pretty much everything

[cursive cipher]

this doesn't tell me much when I don't know anything about Crispy lol

[vale gyro]

But you’ll be sacrificing vanilla gameplay and aesthetic with a default config

[vale gyro]

Crispy is basically a superset of Chocolate Doom, which is meant to play Doom as if it were the original EXE

[cursive cipher]

ooh i like chocolate

[vale gyro]

Crispy is limit removing with an uncapped framerate and some extra visual flair if wanted

Like colored blood and brightmaps

Woof is like Crispy but slightly better

[cursive cipher]

what are the implications of Woof being connected to Chocolate
isn't chocolate toxic to dogs?

[vale gyro]

It adds in complevels so you can play most maps

[cursive cipher]

I don't know what most of this means

[vale gyro]

Woof isn’t connected to Chocolate really

[cursive cipher]

so they're like
enemies

evil clone?

[vale gyro]

The most it’s related to it is that Woof has Chocolate’s networking code

But anyways

Complevels basically emulate an engine

Like Boom or MBF

[cursive cipher]

isn't Boom another source port?

[vale gyro]

They’re needed for demo compatibility and for level features

[vale gyro]

An old one

Like DOS era

And MBF

[cursive cipher]

ngl I mainly just wanna adjust the gamma settings and fix the colour on the medkits
I'm pretty alright with how the Unity port plays otherwise, i don't need much else
do wish I could look up or down sometimes but it's designed around that limitation and the fake 3D is kinda charming in some ways

[vale gyro]

Best thing I can say is Woof

Also it allows voxels if you ever want to use them

So you don’t need to download GZDoom just for them

[cursive cipher]

voxels is like 3D models right?

[vale gyro]

Yeah

But yeah

It gives a lot of the features Crispy has

And also allows you to play maps like Overboard, Going Down, etc

[cursive cipher]

does it let me tweak the gamma settings?

[vale gyro]

Yeah

Even the original EXEs allowed you

[cursive cipher]

damb

https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/woof/releases/tag/woof_14.2.0
ok so i grab it from here yeah?

[vale gyro]

Yep

[cursive cipher]

uhhh
I download the 64 bit zip ig?

[vale gyro]

Depends on your system

If you got a 64 bit system

Download the 64 bit version

[cursive cipher]

do
does anyone have a not 64-bit system these days?

[vale gyro]

Fair enough

You’ll need the IWADs btw

So grab those if you haven’t already

They’ll be buried in your local game files of the Unity port

If you have both Doom 1 and 2, Woof will select Doom 2 on launch without any parameters

So you’ll need to specify which iwad using the -iwad parameter

[cursive cipher]

ik "WAD" is the file type, what's an "IWAD" or "PWAD" though?

[vale gyro]

IWADs are basically the main wads

Doom 1, 2, and Final Doom

PWADs are just mods/maps

You’ll be looking for DOOM.WAD, DOOM2.WAD, PLUTONIA.WAD, and TNT.WAD

Once you find one or several of those (depends what Doom games you got installed), shove them into the same folder as Woof

Assuming you know the command line

If you want to switch inbetween IWAD, use the parameter I mentioned a bit ago

If you don’t know CMD, either learn it and the parameters for source ports

Or look into using a Doom launcher like ZDL or Doom Launcher

[cursive cipher]

dude what do all these seettings do lol

sorry, i just
not really getting how to launch different wads with this

just launching the exe i get Ultimate Doom

there's no menu to choose which to play? I have to set it in some config file?

that seems awfully inconvenient

[vale gyro]

No and no

As I’ve mentioned

You need to be either
A) open Woof using -iwad [iwad] launch parameter

Or
B) use a Doom launcher to simplify the process

[cursive cipher]

like open it in the command line?

[vale gyro]

Yeah

[cursive cipher]

damn
that
sounds kinda cool, actually

[vale gyro]

But mind you

If you don’t have any other IWAD in the directory, it won’t work

Because UDoom is opening for you, that means you have no other IWAD

Or Final Doom is a lower priority than UDoom

[cursive cipher]

I downloaded the things through the unity port, that means I should have the WADs somewhere on the folder right?

I just gotta find them and put them in... where exactly?

[vale gyro]

The IWAD will be in the directory where the respective game was installed

However, Doom 2 will have both Doom 2 and Final Doom

Doom 1 only had Doom 1

And you put the IWADs in the folder Woof is in

So in more technical terms

The Woof executable and the IWADs have to be in the same CWD

[cursive cipher]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832527939153297448/1215824283847098448/image.png

so dump the wads here

[vale gyro]

Yep

[cursive cipher]

but where do I find them exactly?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832527939153297448/1215824448226070639/image.png

[vale gyro]

In base iirc

[cursive cipher]

I see a DOOM.WAD but
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832527939153297448/1215824856189501440/image.png

[vale gyro]

DOOM.WAD is the IWAD for Doom 1

IWADs and PWADs have the same exact extension

They’re just terms to distinguish between the two

[cursive cipher]

aren't I looking for the WADs of the custom maps?
Like I'm trying to play Sigil, shouldn't that have its own WAD?

[vale gyro]

Nope

[cursive cipher]

huh
they're all in there?

[vale gyro]

We’re looking for the IWADs rn

[cursive cipher]

oh ok

[vale gyro]

You download custom maps from the idgames archive

[cursive cipher]

hm?
they're not downloaded as WADs in the Unity port, then

[vale gyro]

I guess not

But you can get Sigil both from the archive and also from the Romero website

[cursive cipher]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832527939153297448/1215826302200713348/image.png
just the bottom guy here?

[vale gyro]

Yeah

[cursive cipher]

don't need to worry about the rest, then
ugh do I have to launch it as SIGIL _v1_whatever or can I rename the file?

[vale gyro]

You can rename it

[cursive cipher]

ok

so just grab that file and I can delete the rest or?

[vale gyro]

Just put that into Woof’s folder

[vale gyro]

Pretty much

[cursive cipher]

oki

[vale gyro]

You’ll want to run (assuming the wad is renamed to just SIGIL)

woof -iwad doom.wad -file SIGIL.wad

[cursive cipher]

interesting...

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832527939153297448/1215827765971124234/image.png

@vale gyro

[vale gyro]

Oh

You need to be in Woof’s directory

[cursive cipher]

mh

[vale gyro]

Just cd into it like a chad or use file explorer like a normal person (like me on my PC)

[cursive cipher]

I'm gonna cd into it
not entirely sure how to get there
but I'll make it

ok so
my thing is in C:\Games
but
it won't go any farther back than C:\Users\Aweso

[vale gyro]

cd ..

[cursive cipher]

oohh

useful

hacker voice I'm in

oh
it closes if I close the command line huh

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832527939153297448/1215830282155069521/image.png
so like what's all this do

[vale gyro]

That’s all visual stuff

Menu backdrop is for the menu you’re in

ENDOOM is the window you see when you exit the game

It was shown when you exited out of the DOS release of it but sourceports like Chocolate preserve it

Brightmaps just make glowing things visible from farther away

Like the eyes of an armor bonus or lights from switches

The rest I can’t exactly tell you what it does

[cursive cipher]

uh, i'll just leave it off then ig

"blocky spectre drawing"?

oh there's no level select in this lol
I imagine I can press some buttons to make that work though?

[vale gyro]

You can either use the -warp parameter or use the IDCLEV cheat

[cursive cipher]

which one is cooler?

[vale gyro]

You do what you want

[cursive cipher]

hmmm

oh christ the freelook here is jank as hell lol

[vale gyro]

yeah

it uses the same freelook method as Heretic

as Woof uses the software renderer

[cursive cipher]

also hm there's no display when switching weapons
that
makes things a little tricky for me

[vale gyro]

just use scrollwheel or memorize keys

[cursive cipher]

I used the scrollwheel but it I still had to check the display 😭

[vale gyro]

@cursive cipher btw, if you ever need help with anything quickly, look it up on the Doom Wiki

and not the fandom one

[cursive cipher]

wait you can adjust level brightness in the unity port

[vale gyro]

Wiki will give you info on source ports, command line arguments, exact specifications of maps, etc

[cursive cipher]

it couldn't tell me what the settings were tho 😭
or I just didn't know where to look

[vale gyro]

you could’ve used the dedicated keys to adjust gamma levels

I forgot what they were, though

[cursive cipher]

does anyone know what the FOV on the unity port is?

looks like it's 90

[vast reef]

90

[cursive cipher]

what's "improved hit detection", "fast line-of-sight calculation", and "direct vertical aiming"?

[vast reef]

hit detection probably fixes the blockmap bug that makes you miss stuff that should have hit

fast los calculation probably improves monster detection, maybe hitscan too

direct vertical aiming, idk, better autoaim? no idea

[swift hare]

are there any servers or people i can find when it comes to modding calssic doom?

[vast reef]

zdoom server

im in lots of mod servers but they're for individual mods

[vast reef]

hellforge server too

[swift hare]

also didnt this server have voice channels, they mey not be popping up for me because im new.

[vast reef]

got removed

[cursive cipher]

dude
what the hell is this "secret found" effect in Woof

bring back the other one wthecc

[vale gyro]

Tried running Doom on the XP box again through Dosbox and it works a lot better

[proven pollen]

whys that?

[vale gyro]

Sadly, because it’s Dosbox, no sound because I got no speakers and Dosbox can’t output to the PC speaker

The dos EXE used to work but very slowly

But now I can’t run any full screen app on the system without it breaking and that includes Doom

So rip

[vast reef]

ppl fucked up real bad

got a bit goofy in vc

honestly i wish the mod team would hire more mods and in more timezones

bc their main reason for removing vcs was that they don't have the ability to moderate them 24/7

[cursive cipher]

Gamers is there a way to change the sound

[vale gyro]

Don’t think so

It uses the same sound effect most ports use if I’m correct

So if you hate the one Woof uses, just turn it off in any other port you use

[cursive cipher]

i like the sound the unity port makes :(

[azure nimbus]

the secret sound effect was never in the original doom release, only added later in fanmade source ports. That's wy the secret sound at least is different

[supple sand]

doomguy walking

i need a gif for it

[lethal tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-wide-slayer-gif-18921488

[supple sand]

classic doomguy

i hate my brain always wanting to make stuff with something that probably doesnt exist

[vestal sable]

can someone explain to me why the ss in brutal doom are replaced with waffen by default
like we still have commander keen in the game, why replace another reference to id's past

at least the v22 beta lets you change them to brutal wolfenstein ss

[cursive cipher]

O

[vestal sable]

i haven't used many source ports aside from crispy doom and gzdoom, but iirc woof and dsda use the sound for respawning items

[cursive cipher]

The unity port sound was so good dude

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah, I have access to plenty of them....

ever play doom on a 486?

and a crt

something magical about the experience

[cursive cipher]

Tf is a 486

[cosmic pagoda]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I486

[supple sand]

Classic doomguy walking gif

I need it

[vestal sable]

no, but i played through doom on the 32x up until e1m8 at least

y'know the version where you can hear the cacodemons farting out the soundtrack when they're flying

[smoky gorge]

If all of those older computers used different MIDI devices to comprehend MIDIs like those in the original DOOM, then why do we all remember DOOM's music the same as everyone else?

[cosmic pagoda]

doom95 used the windows midi synth by default

different midi devices were used with the dos version

but windows 95 came with sound

[smoky gorge]

So DOS DOOM used the computer's MIDI device, but Windows 95 DOOM used a MIDI playback system that came with the computer itself?

[cosmic pagoda]

windows came with Microsoft Synthesizer, a software synth that dos versions didnt have access to

previously you had to have a hardware synthesizer like adlib etc

[smoky gorge]

So the DOOM music we all know is from the system that 98 came with?

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah well, its was introduced in windows 95 and has been sounding the same ever since, still does, if you play a midi file on your windows pc without configuring it to use anything else will still sound the same

[smoky gorge]

Alright.

[cosmic pagoda]

hope it cleared it somewhat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSsfjHCFosw&list=PLAD2502F2CB75CC90

this is how it would have sounded if you used the roland SC-55 as your synthesizer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_SC-55

[smoky gorge]

Yeah, they did this for that mid re-release.

Recorded music off of one of those.

[cosmic pagoda]

hot take, but the SNES port had the best sounding music taking advantage of the SNES sound chip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKRQorDt4t4&list=PL0C33A02EA01FF656&index=10
the spooky ones sound extra unsettling

[smoky gorge]

That sounds alien lol

[cosmic pagoda]

I agree, to me too, but thats because of how we are used to the microsoft synthesizer versions

but if I try to approach it objectively and look past that, seems to me that the sounds work better with the composition

[void hemlock]

The one with the Bethesda port btw is the same, it's just that this one from YT is heavily compressed

the SC-55 is the best MIDI imo

[void hemlock]

https://youtu.be/oyV8T5RCYkA I specifically liked the intermission theme from the SNES version

[cosmic pagoda]

now I really wanna make a bank of general midi mapped patches for my virus ti2 and set doom to use it

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah

[cosmic pagoda]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/479488644990894094/1216228635762102332/image.png?ex=65ffa02f&is=65ed2b2f&hm=d4524ac6621d70901956b3b284239f26507c598427c8dfc1f41c7cef95cd4fa7&

on the right is one

for example

(also note signed doom poster on the wall)

[vale gyro]

your setup?

because if it is I'm way more than jealous

[cosmic pagoda]

not mine but I have access to it in the local hackerspace

[vale gyro]

ah

still nice, though

oldest computer I got direct access to is my XP machine I got a couple days ago

[warm cloak]

the perfect setup

bro walkin

[cursive cipher]

There it is!

[cursive cipher]

Good news!

[warm cloak]

wait, what did I do?

why did that dude need doomguy walking?

[cursive cipher]

No idea

[warm cloak]

ok

makes sense

[keen patrol]

Back from the grave and still in Hell

[proven pollen]

stay in it

[ebon ferry]

Are there any doom wads (Excluding myhouse.wad, already finished with that) that I should try out?

(Probably something with a bit of a horror sprinkled onto it if possible)

[cosmic pagoda]

going down

[vast reef]

chord

[stark acorn]

ms wavetable synth sounds extremely close if not the same as SC-55

i wonder

[finite crag]

I was enjoying scythe 2 when stupid slaughtery entered the chat on level 22

Im not a slaughter hater, I play with painkiller mod so it is not a big problem like it would be in brutal doom

[cosmic pagoda]

theres good slaughter and theres not so good slaughter

not a fan of giga slaughter either

[finite crag]

But when I spawn and see 100 assholes in closed space it is just frustrating

[cosmic pagoda]

but when its done well it can be fun

[finite crag]

It was fun, I enjoyed it

But the last 10 maps of scythe 2 have bad design and balance

[cosmic pagoda]

like going down map28, thats a big slaughtermap, but the fight is well constructed

you cant just throw a room full of hell knights and expect it to be fun

[finite crag]

Im going to rebeat it playing Belial instead of Daniel Garner

[cosmic pagoda]

a large slaughter fight needs to be scripted well and thought through

[finite crag]

But not now

[finite crag]

Ive checked it, Ill try this wad

[cosmic pagoda]

one my favourite megawads ever

its soooooo good, the music is insanity inducing, the maps are decorated very artistically, the fights are very fun and tasteful

theres many jaw dropping moments

especially that one map

not gonna spoil tho

[azure nimbus]

horror theme, maybe preacher?

[gray lynx]

hi guys 😄

[pale finch]

psx doom

actually no

doom 64

[cosmic pagoda]

neither of these are wads

id they are willing to buy another game, cant go wrong with doom 3 then tho

(non bfg edition)

[pale finch]

technically they both are, through psx doom tc and d64 for d2

but the original doom 64 would be way better as a horror experience

[cosmic pagoda]

no theyre not

they are separate games

op is looking for pwads

[stark acorn]

op

[vestal sable]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/doom-ce this is where you can find downloads for the newest conversions (doom 64 needs the steam release to work, but psx doom and psx final doom work with just doom 2)

[finite crag]

Why do people hate "The pit"?

When I was 7 y.o it was my favorite map

[cosmic pagoda]

idk its one of the good doom2 maps

[vestal sable]

i personally don't like it because there's lots of pain elementals and that weird triangle room that lead to other tedious areas

plus it starts with hitscanners in areas that you can't see without freelook

[cosmic pagoda]

the pain elementals are quite tamely placed tho

[void hemlock]

On UV on PC it's not hard, but when you're playing on controller either onto PC or on console it can be for some odd reason

Like good lord it took FOREVER to complete the damn map when I was playing on my Steam Deck

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah doom2 in general aint that hard on UV

[cursive cipher]

I've been stuck on map 7 of Sigil for days now lol
I think I've gotten near the end, made it through all of the upper walkway, the ravine and into the building 2 or 3 times
But damn it is a lot of guys

Today I tried saving the supercharge and megaarmour for later, but unfortunately never survived long enough for later to arrive lol

[cursive cipher]

This music goes HARD though

Idk if it's a hot take but I firmly believe classic doom sweeps its modern counterparts in OST

[stark acorn]

finally checked out dsda-doom it's really awesome

[remote shuttle]

is it a bad idea to download DOOM Ultimate from internet archive?

[vale gyro]

I consider it piracy unless you already own it and just want to get the IWAD without having to download Steam, but it could still be easily considered piracy by law

Best bet is to not do it

As either way it’s still most likely illegal

[proven pollen]

and against the server rules...

[vale gyro]

That too

[remote shuttle]

aight, good to know

thankfully i did not do it

[remote cedar]

Doom still being a licensed product it would in fact be considered piracy and therefore illegal

[stark acorn]

they work, I've used them before, but yeah it's kinda piracy, and you're going to HELL with all the other freeloaders.
doubt id cares about their 30 year old game tho, so I'd say enjoy dooming for now and buy the game on steam whenever you have funds

[remote shuttle]

Im not the biggest fan of piracy, and i can wait till i got enough to buy doom 93

[stark acorn]

do you have eternal or 2016?

if so then they have old doom wads (not the exact same as retail and i think they have some issues) but you could probably say that you own the wads
but yeah if you wanna wait and buy the original then id say that's the best course of action overall.

[remote shuttle]

I have eternal on pc, but i cant play it due to spec limits (dont have a gpu)
I plan on buying 2016 in the doom franchise bundle if im able to do so

Didnt know 2016 had the wads though?

[stark acorn]

oh eternal has the classic wads for sure

im not completely sure if it does, but i think so

[vale gyro]

I’ve heard it does

[remote shuttle]

I knew it had the secret classic maps but other than that idk

[stark acorn]

it does but it's not the exact same as the normal wads that you get from standalone doom 1/2

and ive heard that it can cause some issues on source ports tho ive never had or seen them happen

but I also haven't ran the eternal wads

[vale gyro]

I’ve heard they’re not the same

They’ll work most likely, though

iirc there is a patcher for them

Could be wrong, though

I’m running off of several year memory

[stark acorn]

best way is just to buy the original dooms on steam and get wads from there.
or buy the original floppy

[remote shuttle]

Ion have an old enough pc to run floppys :(

[stark acorn]

you can get a floppy to usb drive for a couple bucks

[vale gyro]

And he doesn’t have 10,000 dollars

[stark acorn]

but yeah the floppies are expensive nowadays

[vale gyro]

Lmao

[remote shuttle]

True

Lmao

[vale gyro]

You could use freedoom if your just trying to run community maps

[remote shuttle]

Freedoom?

[vale gyro]

Doom, but the base maps and textures are replaced

[remote shuttle]

Replaced by what? Modded textures?

[vale gyro]

Pretty much

Though it has its own campaign

So you won’t see the same maps

It’s mainly there to play other people’s maps or play deathmatch without needing to pay for the base IWADs

[remote shuttle]

Ah okay

[stark acorn]

the engine itself is free and open source, the thing you're paying for is the wad, so the textures and maps

well and other things too, but to simplify

[remote shuttle]

Aight

[quick spruce]

i can send you my doom wads if you need

[remote shuttle]

nah, its fine
i'll buy franchise bundle when i am able to

i already got eternal and doom II

[feral socket]

you know you get doom when you buy doom eternal, right ?

the iwad is in the game files

[cursive cipher]

it has Doom II in it too

[vestal sable]

yeah but its not that compatible with mods

[safe lynx]

Got doom to run in a atm

[feral socket]

yeah but if they wanna play mode they run on doom 2 anyway (which they have)

[cursive cipher]

if doom II is so good why is there no doom II 2?

[remote cedar]

would Final Doom count as Doom II 2

[zenith berry]

I wonder what makes the BFG Edition wads incompatible with mods, it’s just the same Doom II IWAD with content changes. Maybe the latter is what causes the problem?

[vestal sable]

iirc the bfg edition has some hackery to replace the wolfenstein ss (an enemy commonly replaced by fanmade mapsets) with a zombieman

[zenith berry]

Ah yes.

And I assume while it is possible to do the similar thing with DeHackEd, BFG Edition’s removal of Wolfenstein SS is hardcoded, right?

[stark acorn]

tnt and plutonia

[stiff merlin]

Im playing through doom 1 and 2 rn, i wanted to play doom 2 on uv, got to the pit and got very discouraged? Should i go do hmp first then go and do uv again? I dont want to do too much internet research

[vale gyro]

try it on UV if you want

if you can’t do it or think you can’t you can rerun the game on HMP or switch to HMP and pistol start the map

[stiff merlin]

Hmm okay

[azure nimbus]

personally, I'd say to not feel guilty about looking stuff up. if you don't want to go in knowing where things are, UV probably isn't the way to go. I've played a lot of doom and these levels would be really tough without knowing where things are

[cursive cipher]

beat sigil !
I feel a little dirty about it though. I'd been doing pistol start but I'd let myself load my save for the start of each session. ig I was just cracked today because I beat it first try after several days of attempts and the next level too, but like the extra equipment def helped lol

[stiff merlin]

What about using saves?

And do most people start on hmp?

When you look online it seems everyone does/did uv from thr start

[cosmic pagoda]

nothing wrong with saves

[cosmic pagoda]

these people had 30 years to get good at doom

[stiff merlin]

Thanks

This made me feel better

[feral socket]

also, the most vocal of players are people who play on uv because they're often either speedrunners/challenge runners or been playing the game for a very long time

but there's still a significant amount of people who play on HMP/HNTR so don't feel bad doing so - games are supposed to be fun !

[stiff merlin]

Can someone explain to me how a level managed multiple flooring on chocolate doom?

Talking about doomsday of uac

Its also such an old map which makes me wonder even more on how the hell is it possible

Sorry nvm was wrong

[finite crag]

who here enjoys the classic wads and all

[stiff merlin]

Me

[finite crag]

is there no where to stream

mettalica hitting different rn

[finite crag]

yes

[finite crag]

What's a really good wad recently?

I mean like just a very nice level design wad

[feral socket]

firelfly ?

[finite crag]

Very o r a n g e

I played firefly already

[cosmic pagoda]

eviternity II is like 4 months old and amazing

[finite crag]

Obviouslyyy I tried eviternity on day 1

Wad was fantastic

[cosmic pagoda]

ikr

[stiff merlin]

Any pee and poo themed levels?

🙃

Recently my sense of humor transcended into toilet humor thus really wanted to share some awesome piss based maps

[cosmic pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-fuck-the-fuck-is-this-wth-gif-17571836

[gusty bobcat]

"DBP16: Cyb's Freaky Colonoscopy" comes to mind, hope you can help yourself from this, at some point in your journey through life.

[stiff merlin]

no fucking way

[azure nimbus]

Using saves is really about what you're trying to do: are you soldiering through a brutal 2 h long level? Use saves. is it your first playthrough, use saves. Is it your umteenth try after lots of practice to make a video and demo submission, then don't.

[cursive cipher]

How many voice effects does doomguy have in the original games?

[sour ice]

3 I think. Hurt, damaged, dead. Idk

[cosmic pagoda]

humping walls too

and theres multiple hurt and dead sounds

[void hemlock]

kill me for reading that name

[finite crag]

I find playing with a controller is much easier to use then a keyboard, change my mind

[void hemlock]

there is only the UMPF, ACK, AAAAAAGGHH and AAUURRGGHH

• DSOOF/DSNOWAY
• DSPLPAIN
• DSPLDETH
• DSPDIEHI

[finite crag]

I love how you made the noise of the sound into words

[void hemlock]

I mean I'm not wrong

[finite crag]

frfr

[cosmic pagoda]

just keyboard? then controller probably better, theres no substitute for keyboard and mouse however

[finite crag]

I mean I play on a laptop, there is no way I'm using the mouse pad

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah, laptops without an external mouse in general are horrible to use

[void hemlock]

if you don't want to buy a mouse then sure go ahead, use controller

not gonna stop you there or convince you otherwise

[void hemlock]

I remember I use to play Minecraft without a mouse on my laptop

[cursive cipher]

SAME LOL

[void hemlock]

how the hell did I live with myself back then

[cursive cipher]

It was hellish
The click thing also wasn't a dedicated button but just a part on the trackpad you could press and it make stuff like nerdpolling nigh impossible

[finite crag]

did you use the arrow keys to move the camera-

[cursive cipher]

Ok but like does anyone know a way I can view/access all the classic doomguy noises

[cosmic pagoda]

they are in the iwad

[finite crag]

Desect ( the IWAD

[cursive cipher]

How do I extract them?

[finite crag]

idk look it up

[cosmic pagoda]

open the iwad in something like xwe

[cursive cipher]

xwe?

[cosmic pagoda]

yea

[cursive cipher]

Ah I see

[cosmic pagoda]

still I'd advise getting a real mouse for much more efficient work and other non gaming stuff on the laptop

the touchpad is one of the worst input devices imaginable

and mice cost like 5 bucks

[cursive cipher]

Eh, I find it works well enough for browsing and the like

[void hemlock]

no

the trackpad

[finite crag]

THE TOUCHPAD

[void hemlock]

if it will let me send it:

nope okay dyno

[cursive cipher]

[void hemlock]

don't worry I can say where though

sounds-resource.com and look for Doom 1/Doom 2 on PC

[cosmic pagoda]

https://www.doomworld.com/xwe/

or use this

[cursive cipher]

👍

Thank you gamers

[void hemlock]

sorry, .com not .org

good lord why do I have a weird memory

[void hemlock]

plus when you do download the sound pack from sounds-resource.com you know what files to look for as I've said them already

all sounds in the folder are marked with DS (doom sound) and then the abbreviated name for the specific sound

because sound files only had an 8 character limit when the games were being made

[cursive cipher]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832527939153297448/1217231403805310976/image.png

hmm

[void hemlock]

you typed it wrong

sounds-resource.com

and then once you get there, at the search bar and type doom 2

and it should say "DOOM / DOOM II" somewhere and click on that

[cursive cipher]

oop my b

[void hemlock]

and then there should be an "everything" tab when you get to the page

click then, and then download the zip file where it has all of the sounds for the game

[void hemlock]

and in the zip file look for these identifiers

[cosmic pagoda]

sure but you miss out on a chance to learn how to use xwe, how exactly they are stored, potentially what else and how is stored in the iwad etc

[void hemlock]

I use SLADE, I think I'm fine

[cosmic pagoda]

well you are, but they aren't

[finite crag]

#bringbackjohnromero

[cursive cipher]

his head was impaled and put inside the head of a demon... he's not coming back from that any time soon

[finite crag]

wanna bet?

[cursive cipher]

alright, 7 dollars and a half-eaten waffle says he won't

scratch the waffle, it's gone

[finite crag]

ik a thing or two about summoning demons

hehehehehehhe

#restoreidsoftwaretoitsformerglory

AHAHAHA

that half eaten waffle is mine

[cursive cipher]

I have located unf (DSNOWAY)

huh
there's also a DSOOF which sounds the same but... a little quieter?

they might be the same actually

wot

there's also a DSSKLDTH which is the same sound

[void hemlock]

will never happen

most you will get is Romero Games, but that's it

some members still are at id, but everyone else has moved on

[void hemlock]

no it's the same

[void hemlock]

unused, was supposed to be a different sound for the lost soul dying before being overwritten during the beta phase of the game's development

[cursive cipher]

ah, makes sense

[void hemlock]

because the lost soul's death sound is just a fireball hitting a surface

which is enough

lost soul had weird development, as it was supposed to be a hitscan-like attack monster with a psychic ability instead of charging

[cursive cipher]

yeah yeah i heard

[void hemlock]

and the theme of it was mechanical instead of a possessed demon head

but yeah, that's why that sound exists

[cursive cipher]

what does SIT mean?

[void hemlock]

sight

for example when a monster looks at you and notices your presence

[cursive cipher]

ah, when they wake up

a ha!
DSPL is for the player

DSPLPAIN for
pain

[finite crag]

#imnotplayingonnightmareagain

never again

[cursive cipher]

hmm, but
there's only 1 pain sound here, and only one death sound 🤔
aren't there more?

[void hemlock]

one anomaly, DSPDIEHI

(Doom Sound Player Die High)

[cursive cipher]

I see

[void hemlock]

again, character limit was 8 back then

[cursive cipher]

real

so that one would play when... was it when you died with more than -50 HP, or when you died from above 50HP?

So does that make for only 4 sounds?
Unf, Pain, and two deaths?

what's DSITMBK?
ik it's the sound used for secrets in some ports

[void hemlock]

correct

[cursive cipher]

which one i mean lol

[void hemlock]

more than -50 hp

actually

/shrug I don't know

?????? it didn't work tf

i don't know ¯_(ツ)_/¯

there we go

[cursive cipher]

lol

what's DSDSHTGN? I already found another shotgun sound

[void hemlock]

from doomwiki.org

Alternate death - when a player in Doom II is reduced to a health of less than -50 a higher pitched scream is heard instead of the usual one.

so there's your answer

[cursive cipher]

cool beans

[void hemlock]

SSG firing

(Doom Sound Double[-barrel] Shotgun)

[cursive cipher]

ahhh

[cursive cipher]

oh wait you listed them all here lol

kinda wild to think there's only one pain grunt

[finite crag]

unf

[cursive cipher]

unf

[void hemlock]

unf

[finite crag]

tbh I had classic doom, doom slayer's too fast for me

not only that, I can't look vertically (big problem)

[glass forum]

is there anywhere I can play Skulltag's 'The Impending" gamemode on GZDoom

[vale gyro]

use a sourceport like GZDoom

it has freelook

you can’t fix Doom Guy being too fast btw, he’s meant to be that fast

[finite crag]

yeah

[cursive cipher]

Just turn the game speed down

[cosmic pagoda]

turn off autorun

but why tho

[vale gyro]

I personally play with autorun off, actually

Just how I’m used to playing games

Either toggle or hold to sprint

Just good for maps that require a lot of precision in movement

Or moving slowly through areas when needed

[bronze ore]

Hello, I have a question. I'm not sure if classic Doom is supposed to be this way, or if its a GZDoom thing. When you die, do you have to load a save? Whenever I die, it just sits on my death cam and no inputs besides ESC do anything. I would think theres some way to just restart the level

[void hemlock]

then use gzdoom

problem solved

[void hemlock]

that's why when I'm careful in maps like the later levels of Doom 2 I hold down shift for steadiness

it's like Minecraft's sneaking

[vale gyro]

I’m soon gonna get a copy of the Titanium Seal Doom 1 shareware floppies

been needing some form of Doom floppies in my collection, so shareware was my best bet without spending hundreds of dollars

[zenith berry]

The Chasm

[cursive cipher]

Normally you can press again to just restart from the beginning of the level, unless that's a port feature

[vale gyro]

you’d press space, yeah

GZDoom has that normal functionality iirc

I could check at some point tomorrow, getting pretty late over here

[zenith berry]

Press whatever you binded the use key too.

[stiff merlin]

Where to look for wada?

Wads

I have seen the most popular, but if id like a more specific theme, what do i do?

[sturdy grotto]

Doom eternal have wad files inside

[stiff merlin]

Actually yeah i found out about it 30 minutes ago

Those are censored tho

[zenith berry]

And has compatibility issues with some if not most GZDoom TCs apparently.

They're not updated to use the version used by the re-releases.

[stiff merlin]

I actually found a tropical wad, its insane to me

New enemies, there is an imp with a shield i dont exactly know how to beat yet

I think you gotta attack while it is attacking

Huge open map with slopes, nice intro at the start

[stiff merlin]

What are tcs?

[zenith berry]

Total conversions.

Like mods that completely give Doom a set of new weapons or even maps.

Many of them might replace the "Wolfenstein SS" enemy, which itself is non-existent in the BFG Edition wads.

[stiff merlin]

quite an ominous message

[glossy onyx]

Video

[sick mist]

gaym

[stiff merlin]

I wonder how many mods would be needed to turn doom into a typical modern call of duty game

Or something like that

Is there a lootbox mod

Whats the size limit for doom maps?

[sick mist]

https://book.leveldesignbook.com/process/blockout/metrics/doom

[vocal summit]

are health bonuses shots of soulsphere juice

[stiff merlin]

I think this means i could fit the whole fortnite map in one level

Also, can you make gzdoom look more vanilla?

Since i prefer chocolate doom, but being able to play basically anything on gzdoom is something nice

[glass forum]

is there anywhere I can play Skulltag's 'The Impending" gamemode on GZDoom

[gusty bobcat]

Best headcanon in doom history

[lofty shuttle]

I'm about to beat doom for the first time and my first completion is on ultra violent I just have to beat episode 4

[finite crag]

master of puppets is literally e1m1

#mettalicaforever

hi vega

[tiny rain]

Hi, @finite crag.

[stark acorn]

yeah it was inspired by it

i mean e1m1 was inspired by metallica not the other way around

[finite crag]

im playing project brutality rn got the quad barrel and deagle

listening to mettalica as i play

[stiff merlin]

currently wanted to find a world war themed wad thats vanilla

[remote cedar]

vanilla, as in runs in a vanilla sourceport?

[stiff merlin]

Erm i think so, chocolate doom

@remote cedar

[remote cedar]

Ah

Yeah I don't know if I can help you there

I'm a DSDA kinda guy

[stiff merlin]

I mean, if you have any other wad then im fine

[stiff merlin]

What is dsda? New in the community

[remote cedar]

DSDA Doom is a sourceport forked from PrBoom+ and it focuses a lot on faithfulness while still providing some quality of life changes

It's also oriented towards recording and playing demos

[vast reef]

don't limit urself to choc doom

use a port that at least supports boom features, you can live without gz but you can't live without boom

dsda doom works but woof and prboom+ r also good

[stiff merlin]

uhhh

what are prboom+ changes

apart from choc doom i use gzdoom, is that okay?

or is that one also limited?

[vast reef]

gzdoom has the most capabilities

at the cost of less vanilla accuracy (enough that speedrunning isn't allowed in gzdoom because it removes glitches and stuff)

[stiff merlin]

yeah i noticed

gzdoom is a good way, but also removes the clunkiness

whats a nice inbetween?

[cosmic pagoda]

dsda

[stiff merlin]

i see

[stiff merlin]

okay then, got any nice dsda world war wads?

and also, is chocolate vanilla sourceport?

[remote cedar]

Yes

[stiff merlin]

can you say that? want to make sure its the correct way to say

[remote cedar]

Yeah it's a sourceport

And it happens to be very vanilla-focused

[remote cedar]

There was one but I forgot what its name is

It's featured in the Unity port add-ons

But I simply downloaded the original version because the Unity port is weird at times

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah its mainly for testing out vanilla wads for compatability, crispy is a limit removing fork of that

[stiff merlin]

i see

what is usually used for speedrunning?

in terms of vanilla doom, is chocolate doom okay for it?

also, can you guys give me a wad that could train me in ammo usage and melee combat? i suck at it alot

also when using choc, can you direct files from different directories? its quite uncomfortable to have all the wad files in there

[vast reef]

yes

[vast reef]

yes2, use a launcher

[stiff merlin]

launcher?

[vast reef]

ammo usage?

do you mean practicing the strategy (knowing which enemies to use ammo on to be efficient) or mechanical skill (not missing shots so as not to waste ammo)

[stiff merlin]

i always seem to be struggling with ammo apart from shotgun, my shotgun always has full or more ammo while my chaingun even tho i wanna use it more has always small amounts/none

THE FUCK

in gzdoom you can jump

does gzdoom have some multiplayer mode?

[sick mist]

For multiplayer i would recommend zandronum

[stiff merlin]

hmm okay

[sick mist]

dont think gzdoom even has any MP

[stiff merlin]

but does gz have it?

okay, so zandronum for playing multi

can you open gz through cmd?

[sick mist]

yeah pretty much

idk, sry

[stiff merlin]

gonna test it out since i like doing it

is simpler for me

[sick mist]

im pretty sure u can, but i never did it nor would i know any start arguments/parameters

google will most likely answer it in a second

[stiff merlin]

probably will but ehhhh

gonna check it out anyway. i dont know how to open up mods with gz

yup, works

time to run this super cool wad i played on phone

the island

[stiff merlin]

actually, what do you mean by this

what is a launcher\

[cursive cipher]

it's a program to help you launch doom ports without using command line arguments

[cosmic pagoda]

youll pick it up eventually, but in general every situation has an optimal weapon to use considering enemies encountered, their range and more importantly, your supply

[stiff merlin]

eh i actually prefer command line arguments, only problem i have is this

not being sure how to direct to a different directory

[finite crag]

DOOM 95 still works on 64 bit computers

[cursive cipher]

command is cd, use cd .. to go back a directory

[stiff merlin]

i mean no

i know how to do that, the problem is having one file in one of the directories and the other one in another directory

[cosmic pagoda]

just use shorthands like ..\ etc or full paths

[stiff merlin]

would it be okay if id post screenshots so you guys get a better view at this and can help me here?

[cosmic pagoda]

.. means the directory above

or just provide full path from the disk to the file

ie starting from C:\ on windows

[stiff merlin]

this is the problem, not finding the directory

i know how to launch stuff up but not sure how to make a line that features using files from a different directory

[cosmic pagoda]

point to the file with the full path

[stiff merlin]

when do you merge and when do you use -file

[cosmic pagoda]

say run dsda-doom.exe -iwad F:\OneDrive\_DOOM\crispy\doom1.wad

you can always point to files using their full path

from the drive root

[stiff merlin]

awesome, did it

is there a shorter way? or do you always do it via this?

shorter way as in perhaps a way to make it without full path

[cosmic pagoda]

well you can use relative paths

.. means the directory above

dsda-doom.exe -iwad ..\crispy\doom1.wad

[stiff merlin]

ohhh awesome

thanks so much

[cosmic pagoda]

I suggest saving the commands to .bat files

so you dont have to type em every time

[stiff merlin]

hmm

[cosmic pagoda]

you are on windows right

[stiff merlin]

can you tell me how thats done? since i never used bat files apart from doing .bat bombs

yup

[cosmic pagoda]

just paste the command in notepad and save it with .bat extension

I have a file called augerzentith.bat in my crispy folder for example

that just has crispy-doom.exe -iwad DOOM2.wad -file ..\DBP37_AUGZEN.WAD in it

[stiff merlin]

oh alrighty

[cosmic pagoda]

basically the bat when run, will run the command saved in it

[stiff merlin]

how do you change settings in gzdoom? will the settings in game change it for all wads i play?

[cosmic pagoda]

no idea, I dont use gzdoom

[stiff merlin]

okay

what do you use? dsda?

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah and crispy

crispy when I want a chunkier experience, dsda for when I want wads with higher compatability levels and convenient features

dsda has a nice launcher too

https://github.com/Pedro-Beirao/dsda-launcher

if you decide to try, just put the launcher in the same folder as the source port and run it

you can configure there where the wads are etc

[stiff merlin]

i think ill stick with choc over crispy, and get dsda for the between

[stiff merlin]

why is playing doom so fucking fun?

why is opening any wad from the net, typing it into cmd so fucking fun

why cant i have so much fun with any other game

[cosmic pagoda]

well polished core gameplay, with no lore and stuff to get in the way probably

[stiff merlin]

is gzdoom considered boom capable?

[gusty bobcat]

Yes, it supports about everything from Boom

If you are willing to try something different, there's Eternity, DSDA and Woof! that also fully support the Boom spec and more

[stiff merlin]

I see

Does dsda represent classical doom well?

As in vanilla sourceports like chocolate doom, or atleast are there settings to turn it into such

[gusty bobcat]

Yes, DSDA-doom's primary purpose is to be as compatible as possible for classic doom, having been derived from PrBoom+, it features really good support for various compatibility levels, from Limit-Removing Vanilla to the latest MBF21+DSDHAcked spec

Which means it is also the main source port for speedrunning and such, if that doesn't interest you very much Woof! also supports all the same compatibility levels but focuses more on the general singleplayer experience, with a much nicer settings menu.

[stiff merlin]

Thanks, what about more complicated stuff i seen in gzdoom, like multiple layers of flooring? Can that run on dsda engine?

[gusty bobcat]

I'm not sure about the Vanilla Doom Map Format, but I do know DSDA supports UDMF which can support multiple floors, and a bunch of other stuff too.

[stiff merlin]

Whats udmf?

I know that choc wont run multiple flooring, thats for certain

[sick mist]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/UDMF

[stiff merlin]

okay guys i got a problem

i kinda want to have all my ports have the same sensitivity

but they all seem to have a different way of scailing it

okay ive got a big brain idea

i wonder if i can make all my games register my mouse at once

and then i can check how it works on all of them

okay due to my lack of skill in doing anything related to computers, im gonna measure my mouse movement with a ruler

okay i came to the realisation of how stupid i am

[vale gyro]

Just trial and error

If you’re as nitpicky as I am you can easily get the values right in like 10 minutes max

[stiff merlin]

how does hosting on zandorum work? does it have to be all the hitachi stuff?

[gusty bobcat]

My brother, do you mean "Hamachi"?

[stiff merlin]

yeah

[gusty bobcat]

No you don't always need the virtualLAN/customVPN service to do it. If you have Doomseeker, it has a config panel allowing you to startup a public server very easily, otherwise you need the command line and a lot of reading of the docs/wiki.

[stiff merlin]

whats doomseeker?

[gusty bobcat]

A client for easily finding servers to play on. When a server host launches one, via Doomseeker itself or otherwise, there is an option to 'register with the master server' where Doomseeker or other clients like Doom Explorer will look into to get all active servers.

It's like a big list of all public doom servers basically

[stiff merlin]

its free right?

[gusty bobcat]

Yes both are.

Don't worry too much about paying for stuff in the Doom community, the biggest expense you will have, the vast majority of the time will just be Doom on Steam/GOG, and that's about it.

With some historical exceptions, about everything made by and for the community is free

[vale gyro]

And the exception of Sigil 1 and 2’s MP3 soundtracks/physical copies

[stiff merlin]

can someone give me tips for pit uv? i beat it already but struggling on repeat playthroughs

I do pistol start too, so consider that

[azure nimbus]

Take advantage of pain elementals not being able to spawn more lost souls until you clear out a bunch of lost souls. grab the chaingun/RL and BFG early.

[stiff merlin]

Is there a way to transport a config file so that it can be in a different place?

As in, can i change the directory used for config files in for gzdoom/dsda/chocolate?

[stiff merlin]

Is watching decinos nightmare runs a good idea for training uv?

I know nightmare is a very different mode but wondering if perhaps i could take some help from it

[gusty bobcat]

Many source ports allow you to define a diffrent config location, via the command line

Like "-config path/to/config.ini" or something like it

[stiff merlin]

Oh thanks

[clear turtle]

depends on the map your'e playing

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah, nightmare viable route may or may not coincide with UV best route

[stiff merlin]

I mean

It still is a route after all

[cosmic pagoda]

best way to train uv is play uv, but play easier difficulties first so you know the map

[stiff merlin]

fair point, i also use maps and wikis since i prefer that over walkthroughs

sometimes secrets in this game are idiotic, like the chainsaw on e1m2

i bumped every wall the first time looking for it, didnt know you gotta shoot

[cosmic pagoda]

you could also use iddt

I do that when looking for that last secret on an unknown map

less rewarding than finding it yourself but still more rewarding than finishing with less than 100% secrets

[stiff merlin]

whats that?

ah nvm i know that one

anyone knows how to change hud size in zandorum? its super small

[stiff merlin]

God doom without pistol start is so much easier compared to pistol start

[cosmic pagoda]

there are exceptions, like PL2 map 12 where you are supposed to start with 10hp

however pistol starts are more a thing to do when you already have played through the wad sequentially and want to further challenge yourself

[stiff merlin]

okay the fuck

how is suburbs doable on pistol start?

i was told all fucking levels are possible pistol start but this seems a bit

okay, found the ssg location, now will be simpler

[gusty bobcat]

@stiff merlin and that, my friend, is why and how MtPain27 got good at Doom

This is the challenge that grows kids into adults

[stiff merlin]

i mean honestly

the real problem is not knowing the map, you know the map, its easier

[gusty bobcat]

True, foreknowledge always helps

[stiff merlin]

if id know about the bfg on pit, it would be easier

still that map isnt too easy, but it would be so much easier

[stiff merlin]

did mtpain27 use saves on?

[gusty bobcat]

Most times he tries not to, but he has admitted in a video "I am save scum", because not everyone is built to push themselves that far 100% of the time, for him, a reviewer and writer, not first a player, he finds certain wads a touch too frustrating.

So yeah he does use saves, just occasionally. But he did finish Plutonia 2, Hell Revealed 2 and Scythe 2 still.

[stiff merlin]

i try to not save scum unless longer map

i really want to get good at this game

i love the hard maps that are like cool

cause some are irritating but after knowing the layout, even traps and tricks is a fine map

[gusty bobcat]

The Dean's rules are a decent place to start, if you are trying to get good

[stiff merlin]

also i finally stopped killing enemies pointlessly

[stiff merlin]

gonna look it up

[stiff merlin]

wait what is that

cant find anything on the net

[gusty bobcat]

Oh sorry, I meant the rules that MtPain27 uses to play each map in the wad

He says it at the start of every video he made

[stiff merlin]

doable nvm

just gotta know the secrets

secretless should be a category

[violet bison]

there no any%

?

[stiff merlin]

there is any%

i think, but secretless isnt any%

secretless would make players not allowed to get any secrets

[violet bison]

any% would make them not required

[stiff merlin]

not required doesnt mean not allowed

the game would likely play differently without the many secrets that appear

[violet bison]

you never said

[stiff merlin]

what didnt i say