classic-doom

[autumn marsh]

Or ps5 i dont even got a ps1 XD

[void hemlock]

yeah it's a PS1 port, but with modifications from the original

for example, Doom 2 enemies in Doom 1, colored lighting, some (but not too major) map changes, new music (from Aubrey Hodges, the same composer that would later compose Doom 64's OST), new sfx (which are the same that would also later be reused for Doom 64), etc

It's pretty good, but it's a shame I can't play it

[visual star]

oh ok

[zenith berry]

It also has exclusive secret maps such as Club DOOM, The Mansion and The Marshes.

[worn crown]

doum

[pale finch]

just use PSX Doom CE

it's likw

psx doom but better

[craggy wharf]

what is your opinion on daisy?

[pale finch]

she's the best thing ever

[hasty dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb4mYlUknns&t=1s

[sick mist]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-madison-idiot-anything-no-close-gif-19105515

[halcyon willow]

weak

[visual star]

im in my late teens and just genuinely like old doom more. i have no past experience with it in my life

also ok. maybe you should try harder if you really want to

[halcyon willow]

classic doom

[visual star]

classic doom, i mean

[halcyon willow]

[visual star]

its ok, i respect all the people who grew up with doom and still care about it. especially the people who started off with like the snes port like my mom i think

i kinda wish i was into doom my whole life cuz i feel like im missing out. i only played it for the first time like a couple years ago

[polar mesa]

the content is all out there man

[visual star]

so far i've tried like every popular must play mod

and for some reason i dont really like brutal doom that much and prefer vanilla even though the gameplay in brutal is like genuinely better. i dont really know why i prefer vanilla. im not much of a purist

[polar mesa]

what gameplay

brutal doom 🤮

[visual star]

the shooty shooty

theres more shooty shooty in brutal

and a lot of hard work went into it from what i played

it just aint it for some reason

[polar mesa]

because it's shit by a shit person

taking a shit takes a lot of hard work sometimes, too

[visual star]

what did sgt mark iv do?

[polar mesa]

oh boy

[halcyon willow]

old drama

very old

and now irrelevant

[polar mesa]

yeah not worth going into detail

it's all out there if you want to read about it

[halcyon willow]

edgy teen was edgy

[void hemlock]

Just play Project Brutality if you hate Brutal Doom because of all of that

[halcyon willow]

he's changed a lot since then. interviewed him for a panel. cool dude, nice and helpful

[visual star]

okay

[polar mesa]

well you see, the author thing is just icing; I honestly think brutal doom is a completely misguided project, too

to each their own tho

[halcyon willow]

brutal doom and project brutality are very much "cram as much into the mod as possible" and they come out very messy as a result

[visual star]

yeah

i really like the multiplayer stuff in brutal though. i played brutal with my one friend once and i realized how many like customization options there were for the player and the third person sprites actually had different sprites for like fists

and i wish that vanilla could have that or something

especially the third person sprites with different weapons

getting punched by someone holding.... a.. some gun (i dont even know what gun doomguy holds in third person)

but like yea the third person sprites are just doomguy holding a specific gun and they never change when you change weapons

on your screen, you have your fists out, on their screen, you're punching them by holding a gun

[ivory mica]

What about doom guys crucible?

[visual star]

i do like the vanilla doomguy sprites a lot though i just he could hold different weapons in third person

i want the third person marine sprites from brutal in vanilla because they actually look like vanilla doomguy and theres more variables or whatever and stuff

oh yeah

anyway,

i do try modern shooters and other classic shooters like quake, but nothing really does it like doom for me

doom has like some character and personality that doesnt get in the way and its great

like doomguys faces on the status bar

i really like how they drew doomguys face

anyway imma head out now i have nothing to say and im just rambling to nobody

[finite crag]

i agree! i remember when i first booted up doom, it was the first thing that caught my eye
it also surprised me when it started lookin' around, bleedin', grinnin' like a maniac
i loved it! it was so cool cause i've never really seen a face being used as an indicator of your health/pointer towards where you may have damage coming from
though i was a bit weirded out at the change of eye colors in a few sprites, but it wasn't that much of a bother, i'll always love the doom's status bar face :)

[halcyon willow]

[autumn galleon]

It's a shame that the Unreal Tournament games will never see the light of day again.

[visual star]

yeah

[vast reef]

both suck

play better mods

brutal doom and its forks are kind of separated from the other zdoom mods in terms of audience

[tacit remnant]

I’m not an absolute purist, but I’m fairly close. Classic Doom has a very specific ecosystem of weapons and enemies, and additions that aren’t thought through very carefully tend to upset that balance. Also there’s a distinct elegance to how simple it keeps things imo

[vast reef]

thoughts on cosmetic mods

[tacit remnant]

They’re fine. I think stuff like Brutal Doom’s extra gore is kind of tacky, but mods that do stuff like giving barons wings are pretty fun.

[vast reef]

minor sprite fixing project and vanilla smooth doom r my favorites

former is qol and the latter is just something i like

[tacit remnant]

In general I really like themed cosmetic sets like how Tangerine Nightmare (I think that’s the title anyway) gives a bunch of the demons goofy Halloween costumes or how Ray Mohawk has a tropical theme

[pale finch]

tbh unfamiliar and PB go like bread and butter

but i wish there was a silent doomguy mod

[arctic ferry]

So has anyone found an easy way to beat that cyber demon boss from E2M8?

If y’all are going to ask, I’ve already beaten this guy on my own.

but I just want to know if someone or anyone found an easier way to beat this guy then I did.

[stark acorn]

shoot at it until it dies

[void hemlock]

plasma rifle -> chaingun

that’s pretty much it

[tacit remnant]

If you’re playing continuous, just use weapons other than the rocket launcher and take advantage of cover. Pistol starters have to use the rocket launcher. Incidentally getting the BFG with cheats in this level is a great way to practice twoshotting the cyberdemon (really important for a lot of community content)

[zenith berry]

last time I beat the Cyberdemon on E2M8, I just spammed my plasma.

lucky enough the Cyber does not seem to approach nor rocket me (iirc he was facing one of the pillars)

so I just plasma him from his back

[loud acorn]

I have made a grave mistake

I downloaded the Plutonia experiment

[white vortex]

It's fun

No mistake there

[halcyon willow]

[loud acorn]

I'm scared

[stark acorn]

plutonia experiment

you will be dieded

deathed even

[void hemlock]

You will be hyperdeathed

You will be cast into the sigil depths of hell

[loud acorn]

I do wanna play sigil too

[stark acorn]

sigil (doom reference)

[vale gyro]

doom reference (John Carmack reference)

[remote cedar]

Plutonia's tough as nails but it's infinitely more fun than TNT: Evilution (the other half of Final Doom). Good luck out there soldier 🫡

[loud acorn]

Oh

Thank you!

[halcyon willow]

plutonia slaps

The Good Shit ™️

[remote cedar]

I'm still stuck on MAP15

I haven't really found the motivation to keep going as of late because I got a lot of stuff to do but once I get back to it I'm sure to go do it and Go 2 It

[zenith berry]

nails (quake reference)

[visual star]

plutonia is good but i hate that theres no original ost

thank god for the fanmade one its sooo good

[visual star]

james paddock is my lord and savior

[halcyon willow]

[stark acorn]

wads with custom music are the best

[mortal prairie]

https://youtu.be/IaYG8LCZRAc?si=mfIA5Np6KhBX9A20

Guys play this music

This guy is great

[visual star]

i cant believe this is all from a little experimental new pc game from 1993

its so nice seeing how far doom is and how good it is and just how old it is and how it did all this. it genuinely makes me happy that people still like this. im just an outsider but its super nice

[stark acorn]

yeah this guys remixes are awesome

covers*

i love the dave d taylor blues track

[finite crag]

agreed! personal fave is countdown to death

[unreal gulch]

Getting Too Tense
Best track
The Spirit world map 28

[hexed escarp]

If you like this check out idkfa by Andrew hulshult, it's a full album replacement for doom 1s soundtrack. It's insanely good

He reimagined them using more metal and orchestral elements

[craggy wharf]

then theres evilution

[void hemlock]

TNT mid

[unreal gorge]

tnt poo

[urban trench]

Hulshult's Into Sandy's City Remake is sublime!

[stark acorn]

tnt.wad is peak comedy

[halcyon willow]

the first 10 maps or so of TNT are solid. then it falls off a cliff

[void hemlock]

Then there is that one map

I believe MAP15 where it’s literally a joke

[stark acorn]

been playing revilution

other than the fact that i cant beat map03 it's good

(maybe i shouldnt play on UV as my first run)

[finite crag]

So, i hope you planned to play plutonia 2 after, both are great

[loud acorn]

THERE'S TWO

also I decided to play no rest for the living first

I am slowly losing my sanity

Game basically told me, "buckle the fuckle up chucklefuck"

[hexed escarp]

There is an unofficial sequel made by many top at the time doom mappers but the casali brothers had nothing to do with it

Not funny

[vale gyro]

Really bruh

Not funny at all

[loud acorn]

I don't get it

[urban trench]

I think I will need a break after Plutonia. Something fun after that. Then Plutonia 2 maybe.

[white vortex]

No

[mellow matrix]

It took 32 deaths but I finally beat the final fight of Umbreon Nils. Feels good

[visual star]

also, by the way, if anyone likes classic doom and hasnt played sigil yet,

go do it

[halcyon willow]

sigil is good

it's pretty gnarly on UV

romero got mean

meaner, even

[narrow condor]

Sigil 2 is probably coming out in less than a month and I'm excited.

[halcyon willow]

pretty much confirmed

romero has been streaming his work and he's well into the last map

[woven wasp]

Put out a minor bugfix update to my project, check it out
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/132011-gregs-gargantuan-gadventure-of-glory-gaffes-and-garbage-v045-some-minor-changes-and-a-test-map/

[azure nimbus]

that map is no joke. one of the only map-names I remember

[tardy wind]

I present to your attention a pre-beta version of the first episode of the project** "EGREGOR: Vanilla Edition"**, consisting of 11 passable maps.

In the archive you will find a packaged bundle with source-ports Chocolate Doom and** Doom Retro** + a separate folder with the main WAD file of the project, and dehacked modification. Deh-mod which requires EXTRA.WAD file to work correctly!

To play on modern sours-ports, for example with Brutal Doom, is enough only file EGREGOR_EPISODEONE(PRE-BETA).WAD, it is found in the folder for_modern_source_ports and, after reading README, unnecessary questions will disappear.

Dear friends, I'm waiting for your feedback and founded bugs! It is necessary for me!

Source-port: Any (!) (I recommend DOOM Retro or Chocolate Doom) with my little dehacked modification! You can understand how to run it properly yourself by clicking "Modify" on the .bat file and seeing the startup parameters.
Using modifications for Doom 2: Any (!) except levels
IWAD: DOOM2.WAD
Difficulty: Ultra-Violence only so far!
MP/detmatch: no points and spavens yet, delayed until the release of the first two episodes!
Jumping and crouching: Forbidden (!) ZScript protection included, because wad designed for Vanilla Doom 2. And I'm so lazy to make MAPINFO lump...
Not tested in: DOOM2.EXE (MS-DOS / Dos-Box)

Doomworld topic and download link: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/92324-egregor

[pallid urchin]

im surprised that 30 years later, carmack giving the souce code made ultimate doom and doom II some of the most modded games ever that continues to get more mods

[zenith berry]

But especially Doom II.

[ruby crater]

Definitely a step up in difficulty from the rest of Tangerine Nightmare. Those final viles are a real pain after such a brutal fight at the end.

[void hemlock]

And then recently the DOS and Mac source doe was leaked and I have it lmao

[mellow matrix]

I refused to die after beating the main fight so I corner peaked each one individually haha. The first one I was able to LoS and then the other 3 I whipped out the pistol so I could kill them single file with minimal risk. And even then I bet I had to kill ~20 extra revenants.

[dusty cargo]

i got 100 kills, 100 items, AND 100 SECRETS!!!

[dusty cargo]

no seriously, i got them all while playing doom

[dusty cargo]

it was the inferno level

[ruby crater]

Yea I had to kill about 20 or 30 extra revenants when I played it last because the viles always seem to create a meat wall of those fuckers before I can take out more than one vile. Really cool use of 4 remaining enemies after all the encounters before it.

[void hemlock]

yeah which level in inferno lol

[finite crag]

Hey, any cyberpunk wads other than diabolus ex and auger zenith ?

[loud acorn]

I tried playing sigil today

I'm so bad

[halcyon willow]

sigil is tough

[void hemlock]

Sigil is not as tough as E4 thoigh

Sigil is that good WAD with balance for Doom 1

Unlike episode 4, I’m not saying I’m bad at it, it’s just generally difficult

And then Sigil comes in and it’s a GREAT episode 5 even if it’s just Romero doing mainly everything

I still considering Sigil to be official even though it isn’t

I mean it’s made by Romero from old id

Might I say more? It’s official to me

I hope when Sigil 2 comes out it OVERSHADOWS Sigil 1 and becomes the ultimate conclusion for Doom 1

Cause let’s be honest, how could you even beat Sigil 1 in terms of ending?

How would YOU end Doom 1 off with a bang for Sigil 2?

What could Sigil 2 even add? No new monsters or Doom 2 monsters for sure

But what maps could be made to end of Doom 1? (Don’t spoil me, I know Romero has videos on his channel but I’m not watching them until after I beat Sigil 2 in December)

[ruby crater]

Sigil is official Doom

It is considered the canon fifth episode since the dude who made the game made it

Sigil 2 will probably be more of a mapping endeavor than anything else. No new monsters or weapons most likely considering it would be before Doom 2 pseudo-story-wise

The release of Sigil 2 will mark 6 episodes for Doom

[pale finch]

it is. it's included in the official ports.

[void hemlock]

I know but Romero still claims that they’re unofficial

While I argue that they are

We all argue that they are

Sure, not id canon, but dev canon

Doom 1 is still regular Doom and still Romero, Carmacks’, and the old id’s Doom

While Hugo has his own Doom with Doom 2016 and after

[ruby crater]

It would be in the same vein as arguing that Doom has only 3 canon episodes because the fourth one was added on later

[void hemlock]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1073754473568141312/1174784987099312158/image0.jpg?ex=6568dac7&is=655665c7&hm=e2ee3078c17139d2467cdb81e6868ed2ae17daf55409393da05cb56850210fb7&

[ruby crater]

I tend to think Doom 1 includes Sigil officially and I’ll be damn sure to rewrite history to reflect such a reality

[void hemlock]

Idk what to tell you, I’m not saying that it’s unofficial but I’m just telling what’s there

[ruby crater]

No I know, I’m just shooting the shit

[void hemlock]

In my belief they’re official, it’s Romero’s Doom and he can do what he wants with it, and can say if it’s official or not

[ruby crater]

The only jarring element of Sigil is the need to use the Buckethead cover art in every level

It’s cool art, just doesn’t fit in a doom level

[void hemlock]

He was the game designer, he has the say in Classic Doom

[void hemlock]

Buckethead’s music is also odd too

[ruby crater]

I like the album overall

[void hemlock]

Like, is it even present in the WAD? Is it just bonus tracks?

All I heard was Jimmy’s tracks

[ruby crater]

But it’s not my personal preference for Doom music

Yea it isn’t integrated into the levels

Buckethead shoudda made a midi album that woudda been fucked

[void hemlock]

Which they’re GOOD, they’re not as good as the original (that were not taken directly from other real world copyrighted songs) songs that Bobby wrote

But, they’re good in their own right

He filled the spot for Bobby when he couldn’t

Buckethead’s tracks are great too

[ruby crater]

I tend to view Bobby’s music inspirations as joyful celebration of the music he listened to, not really so much as stealing

[void hemlock]

But one thing, what purpose? It’s not MIDI

It doesn’t fit classic Doom

[void hemlock]

E3M3, E3M8, Bye Bye American Pie, Adrian’s Asleep

Like I don’t want to say anything negative to him

They’re good tracks, the problem is they’re unoriginal

[ruby crater]

Oh yea not every track is a banger

Just how music is, and everyone will prefer certain tracks over others

But damn there are so many good ones to me

[pale finch]

paid one has em

the free version doesn't

[ruby crater]

Oh yea? Never knew

[void hemlock]

Like I do really like Bye Bye American Pie as a track in Doom 2 since I listened to Alice in Chains’ “Them Bones” (which that’s the song that was covered, good song) prior, but the feeling that they’re unoriginal still sticks in my head

[halcyon willow]

i'd say on average sigil is harder, but E4 has higher difficulty spikes

[void hemlock]

I never knew that

Interesting, guess I’ll buy the mini collector box then on Christmas

[ruby crater]

I still need to actually beat all of sigil. I think I have 2 or 3 levels left d:

[void hemlock]

Sigil is balanced unlike E4 imo still

Sure, difficult, but it’s balanced in the end unlike E4

E4’s map difficulty spiking is strange

M1 starts of harsh, M2 is even worse, M9 is CRAZY at the start, M3 is fine, M4 is somewhat difficult, M5 also meh, M6 is THE WORST imo, M7 is ok, and M8 is kinda disappointing to end the episode

[zenith berry]

E4M2 has you literally start in the middle of an ambush.

[void hemlock]

So does M9

But M9 isnt as bad as M2 tho

[spice radish]

E8 is a joke if you have the BFG (which you most definitely will)

[void hemlock]

I know

[ruby crater]

Episode 4 is definitely full of many memorable maps/encounters

I’m grateful we got an extra episode shortly after Doom’s initial launch

[zenith berry]

M9 looks like it was made for a different episode, a departure from the usual E4 architecture.

It looks like it belongs to E1 or E2.

[ruby crater]

Fear is probably the biggest disappointment of a secret level, especially after the mindfuck from E3’s secret level

[void hemlock]

And there is LITERALLY 2 platforms at the start AND a BFG door behind Spiderdemon when you lure her away from it, which means the WHOLE boss is more of a joke than E3M8

[ruby crater]

Like you go from re-exploring a harder level you swore you just played, to just a generic map for a secret level

[void hemlock]

Plus no Bible verse for the name too

It felt so odd when I couldn’t identify one as I literally looked at Doomwiki to see if there was, but there wasn’t

[ruby crater]

But given Fear’s level design, it is obvious that deathmatch was the main focus

So in that regard, it makes sense, but as a doom level for episode 4, it flops

[calm cradle]

I ate sigil for breakfast until E5M6

[visual star]

sigil is so great

[unreal gorge]

not having enough ammo to kill everything in early levels of sigil really throws me off, i cant play as methodically as i do standard doom levels

[halcyon willow]

E4M1 and E4M2 are my favourite doom 1 maps

E4M1 is only difficult if you trigger the NIN secret

[void hemlock]

ok

then what are your thoughts on E4M6 then

[halcyon willow]

Solid, but the central cyberdemon isn't the best placement

Fighting him is finicky

Even with a good bfg 2 shot you're collecting splash damage

And the other issue I have with it is too much progression through damage sectors

Forces you to rush through sections

[tacit remnant]

You definitely have enough ammo to kill everything in Sigil. Source: I pistol started Sigil on UV. You just have to be really careful about how you spend resources as you don’t get much extra

Big thing is that if you’re not comfortable with berzerk punching, that’s too damn bad, you have to do it.

[halcyon willow]

yeah i pistol started every map on uv

you just have to scrounge for ammo and use the berserk a bit

||and telefrag the cyberdemon on map 2||

[steep owl]

Hey i got a question regarding the wads included in eternal
So I know they are censored like the doom 2 n*zi stuff on the wolfenstein easter egg but besides the censoring are the doom 1 and 2 wads in eternal complete?
Do they contain all the content from doom 1 and 2 or did they cut any content like levels,music,weapons,secrets or anything and are they good enough ports of doom?

[idle dune]

Hello

[tacit remnant]

I’m pretty sure they’re the same apart from the censored bits

[hexed escarp]

The only other difference is the Red Cross on the med packs were replaced with a pill since the actual Red Cross organization throws a hissy fit when a plus symbol colored red is used in video games or other media

[azure nimbus]

there are some super minor differences that if you're someone who's played a ton of doom, you'll notice. But they're a good way to introduce yourself to the levels. None of the geometry is changed

[visual star]

i just poured my blood sweat and tears into speedrunning doom and then when i finally finished and went to check the footage, all i had was a screen recording of just the steam library and audio from the game💀

[vast reef]

F

also doom speedrunning uses neither the steam port or screen recorders

they don't use the steam port because when it got updated to the new enhanced version they accidentally buffed movement speed, and they use the game's built-in demo recording system instead of screen records for easier cheat detection

[visual star]

it was just a speedrun for fun

and also i used gzdoom

[rocky charm]

Hello doom bois

How can I convinnce my friend that doom slayer strong

[steep owl]

I see thanks so all the content is there but some stuff are just censored

[worn crown]

ahh guys i remember when doom was released it was so cool and epic it revolutionized gaming (i was definitely alive at that time)

[pale finch]

i mean

fought in hell for an eternity against the fiercest of demons

duh
but he's still just a strong human

[void hemlock]

yeah and the 30th anniversary of the game is going to happen on December 10th

id or Bethesda better say something about it

[stark acorn]

doom year 30

[void hemlock]

Doom Year 666

[autumn galleon]

Hopefully Bethesda will announce native PS5 and Xbox Series X/S versions of Doom 1, 2, 3, and 64 with an online multiplayer and cross-play patch for 1, 2, and 3 on Doom's 30th anniversary.

[void hemlock]

Maybe even stuff about Doom Year Zero if that’s still a thing

[sick mist]

crossplay would actually be fucking awesome

Coop'ing all those classics with friends on other platforms would be dope as fuck

[void hemlock]

I’m still made Bethesda didn’t put in online play for Doom 1 and 2’s 2019/2020 rerelease

Like how?

How is that NOT a thing?

[sick mist]

Server Cost probably :/

[void hemlock]

Bethesda

They have BILLIONS of dollars in revenue each year

They can afford it, plus Elder Scrolls Online

There is no way they can’t

There is no excuse to not add it

Doom 1 and 2 multiplayer has been there since the BEGINNING might I add

Doom 1 was originally designed as a co-op shooter, and then the campaign was later

But then it was the campaign first then multiplayer later

[sick mist]

Of course they can afford it. But thats not how business works.
Imagine you being in front of 10 CEO's, trying to get a budget for 20+ year old games, paying the people who develop the online thing, people who maintain it, server cost etc.

And then convince them to say yes while there will be little to no return.

But thats just my personal speculation, keep in mind i do not work for bethesda/zenimax etc.

(Dont wanna end up in an IGN article or something xD)

[void hemlock]

Quake 1 and 2 remaster online multiplayer

Night Dive was able to do it

Why can’t Bethesda?

[sick mist]

I was surprised about that as well.
Guess its easier to do things like that in a small company

But i totally understand where your frustration comes from. I wish i could give a good explanation about the how and why :/

[void hemlock]

Even then couldn’t the servers for co-op/dm be hosted on a host server in a private network? Zandronum does that

[sick mist]

I could imagine a client acting as the host/server would work too

[void hemlock]

And with all of this information, Besthesda doesn’t have online MP for Doom 1 and 2

It makes no sense, maybe they’ll put it in one day

[sick mist]

I hope so too! 🙏

[void hemlock]

But considering it’s been over 3 years I’m not really sure

Plus it would be really cool for cross play too

Sure, console and PC players are different

[sick mist]

Maybe because they are all deep in another DOOM project
Who knows what id software is cooking

[void hemlock]

But Microsoft can do it with the Halo Master Chief Collection, so there is no excuse

[sick mist]

I mean they have to do something right now
Dont think they just sit in their offices doing nothing

[void hemlock]

I mean yeah, (from what looks like it) Doom Year Zero and Mighty Doom

[sick mist]

Mighty DOOM is handled by another company

[void hemlock]

Forgot about that

[sick mist]

Alpha Dog Games! Had to google it

yeah

My best guess is they are working on a main franchise title, maybe after that we get some fanservice for the classics, idk

[visual star]

cant wait for sigil 2

[urban trench]

Will it be free like the first Sigil?

[zenith berry]

Free.

[azure nimbus]

that and very slight movement changes. basically the eternal version has "auto-sr50" on. But if you care about that, you've played a hundred hours already

[stark acorn]

i think so but you can also buy a physical copy on a floppy or usb

[halcyon willow]

yeah i think it's fair to assume sigil 2 will end up free like sigil 1

[true compass]

What Typa Doom Launchers Do Y'all Use?

[true compass]

Hello?

[visual star]

hey i kinda need help

im making a classic doomguy avatar mod for a vr game and like

does anyone know where i can find the tony hawk pro skater 3 doomguy model?

its the exact model im looking for

nevermind i'll just use the quake 3 model

[noble ferry]

I have every doom game on my ps4

[sick mist]

The .wad itself will be free to download.
Only the soundtrack and collector edition boxes are sold for money

[remote cedar]

There's plenty of tutorials out there for you to discover on YouTube, and you can also read up on doomwiki.org. Depending on how complex you want your wad to be, you can also check some ZDoom / GZDoom tutorials

[vast reef]

doom runner

oh holy shit ur also filipino

[unreal gorge]

doom95 exclusively

[sweet knot]

if DOOM II is so good then where is DOOM II 2?

[remote cedar]

could one consider Final DOOM to be DOOM II 2

[void hemlock]

Which I am getting because I am a FANATIC

[void hemlock]

Doom 64, chekm8

[sweet knot]

Final DOOM II 2

[static stream]

i love being pretty good at doom, going "only three cacos?" in map05 on UV

also there are way too many health pickups

doom is great because it makes you want more

doom 64 made me feel that way

[finite crag]

I finished playing Auger;Zenith last night, and the final fight made me grow some chest hair. That was really intense (although I guess not as hard combat-wise as some other custom maps)

it was the damn crusher ceilings on the switches that destroyed me

[true compass]

I Use Hakros Doom Launcher

[vast reef]

holy shit thanks for the software rec

[lethal quest]

doom 1993

[modest galleon]

Any pro Doom 2 players can carry trought lvl 29 on nightmare on coop in shareplay on PS4?

[tacit remnant]

No online play in the official port

[sinful cobalt]

Indeed

[odd granite]

Can someone give me the ordered DOOM II weapons rq so I can keybind them

Idk which number the SSG is compared to Ultimate DOOM so I just need them ordered for me

Thanks!

[unreal gorge]

on pc? ssg is the same button as sg, 3

[azure nimbus]

I'd recommend bringing bfg from map28

[modest galleon]

Yeah but i nées help cant Do it bu myself

[odd granite]

Ah ok

Is there a way to seperate the two or is it just like the fist and chainsaw

[finite crag]

it's just like the fist and chainsaw

on certain sourceports you can bind individual weapons to unique buttons

[azure nimbus]

it's a boom compatability option. But you can always flip it on if you don't care about sticking to vanilla gameplay

[halcyon willow]

there is no SSG in ultimate doom.

doom 2 weapon

[finite crag]

[finite crag]

I'm writing a research paper about DOOM 2's city levels (and how much they suck) and I'm nearly done with it and haven't brought up a single city level once

I'm gonna have to see if I can change my thesis statement from "DOOM 2's City levels are confusing and unenjoyable." to "DOOM 2 is a unique, timeless masterpiece." bc they're due on Wednesday I think

and also I don't really know what I'd say about the levels anyway

my main point as of now was basically gonna be "downtown bad" so I think it'd be a better ides to just change it

truly a DOOM 2 moment if I say so myself

got caught up talking about the plot and how unique the weapons were I accidentally wrote my entire paper

[halcyon willow]

accidentally enjoyed doom 2

[opal falcon]

I think it's a great game.

Just not as good as the first one.

[finite crag]

[verbal shell]

Is it weird I feel Doom 2's level design was more inconsistent compared to Doom 1?

I'm more just trying to figure out if it's a me thing or not

[tacit remnant]

It was made on a crunch period and had more level designers working on it

[verbal shell]

That makes sense

That makes me less insecure on my opinion

[tacit remnant]

It’s definitely unpolished but given that the whole thing was made in something like 10 months, half the levels were made by one person (Sandy Peterson), etc, Id did the best they could. Except for Barrels O Fun, that map was a terrible concept from the outset

[finite crag]

[junior karma]

I mean if it weren't for the super shotgun you could argue Doom 2 is just a Doom 1 megawad with a few custom enemies

(and yeah I know there are other small changes but they don't change the game in any significant way)

[azure nimbus]

comparing doom2 and ultimate doom, doom2 is a downgrade engine-wise

(realistically the only change is lost souls not bouncing)

[vast reef]

yeah lmao

[pale finch]

that's why psx doom is cool and awesome

[halcyon willow]

?

It's the same engine

[ebon pelican]

how is doom2 even a downgrade

[unreal gorge]

the only thing "wrong" with doom 2. city levels imo is that they're nonlinear and wandering around them can get a little tedious sometimes. otherwise, superb game, timeless classic, etc etc

[remote cedar]

I'd say Doom II level design is definitely inferior to Doom 1993's

but that's because of the overall quality

otherwise I wouldn't call Doom II a downgrade

and Doom II music > Doom 1993 music imho but that's not related to the engine

[halcyon willow]

doom 2's bestiary makes it more fun to play than doom 1

plus ssg

plus The Living End

and the bad maps in doom 2 are better than the bad maps in doom 1

at least for me

[azure nimbus]

just the lost soul bouncing in cl3

[remote cedar]

nah I gotta disagree there

I can't name a single bad Doom 1993 map

like there's no map in Doom 1993 that comes to my mind when you say "bad map"

for Doom II though? Ooooh boy there's Downtown for sure

[halcyon willow]

all of inferno lol

apart from warrens, that's a cool map

episode 2 is pretty unfun too

episode 1 god tier, episode 4 has my 2 favourite maps of doom 1

[tacit remnant]

My opinion is that Shores of Hell is the best Doom 1 episode, followed by Inferno (except for Unholy Cathedral and Limbo). Episode 4 is a bit frustrating but ultimately still fun, Knee Deep in the Dead is too repetitive and the techbase aesthetic is kind of boring

Like there’s nothing wrong with Episode 1 from a technical standpoint, but I genuinely don’t understand why people rate it so highly

[halcyon willow]

it's the best level design by a fair margin

[spice radish]

E3M7, E2M9, E3M2

[halcyon willow]

and despite having a smaller bestiary, it's fun to blast through

nothing like rocketing piles of imps and shotgun guys en masse

the tougher enemies that make episode 2 and 3 a chore aren't there yet (barons, cacos)

episode 4 then swings back by bringing the nastiness in for e1m4 and m2, and providing sufficient power weapons to deal with the heavier enemies

[tacit remnant]

Doom 1 as a whole is better designed than Doom 2, but episode 1 maps all kind of blur together. Episode 4 definitely throws too many barons and cacos, but having none of them makes the roster too linear imo

[halcyon willow]

doom 2 has a much better difficulty curve

and the bestiary elevates beyond doom 1 just by being there

there's a reason almost every custom doom map uses doom 2 as the iwad

(also everyone knows plutonia beats them all)

[tacit remnant]

I think Doom 2 is mostly fine, but a few specific maps mean I don’t really want to ever replay it. Plutonia is definitely the best, yeah

The obvious one is the Icon of Sin, but Barrels O Fun is also miserable

[halcyon willow]

see i love barrels of fun

one of the best maps in doom

IOS was great for its time

unfortunately it's become a tired idea after every mapper for 20 years put one in the end of their megawad

[tacit remnant]

The Icon is just too jank. Neat idea but the stupid raising platform thing is awful. I wish they’d gone for something like pushing through a big army of demon backed by the monster spawners but when you get to the back line the icon is where you can hit it the normal way

So like what it is already except the weak point is accessible from the ground and the room is already populated when you enter

[mellow matrix]

Something like Revilution MAP30 is the gold standard for IOS maps. Put the player through a lengthy challenge and have killing the Icon be more of a celebration than a fight in itself.
Barrles of Fun is a neat concept but the Things placement sucks any enjoyment out of it imo. Especially the horrid Pain Elementals (lost souls + infinitely tall actors = annoying and cumbersome).

[tacit remnant]

Yeah I wouldn’t mind Barrels O Fun if it weren’t for the stupid pain elementals

[visual star]

help im so bored im trying to play doom with only a logitech joystick thing

but none of the inputs are working

im working my ass off to get this working

[visual star]

nevermind figured it out

was super painful on my wrist and thumb but goofy and stuff i guess

[wise notch]

What do you lot think is the most fitting name for og doomguy based on his appearance and facial features

[tacit remnant]

Flynn Taggart

[sweet knot]

John Romero

[visual star]

buzz lightyear

he looks like a guy named buzz and is a space marine

[tacit remnant]

Corporal Shotty

[vast reef]

he looks like a bryan

or a bruce

[remote cedar]

A good rule of thumb is that any protagonist that doesn't really have a name can be called John

Thus it would be John Doom

[tacit remnant]

And in his quest to save humanity, he kills God, Satan God, and Satan God God

[jolly stream]

Hmmmmm this sounds familiar

[tacit remnant]

Yeah it’s a line from Max0r’s Doom Eternal video

[jolly stream]

Ik

[tacit remnant]

Okay

[visual star]

Cliff Buck

[verbal shell]

Can we discuss mods here or does that gotta go elsewhere?

[tacit remnant]

That can be discussed here

[verbal shell]

Thank you!

I recently tried out Doom Infinite and it was pretty fun. Risk of Rain but Doom was not something I knew I wanted

[sweet knot]

Chex Quest

[fringe moth]

Hello

[late venture]

imagine a blind run of plutonia in UV, all pistol started

and I could just barely beat map03

the community soundtrack is sick tho

[ebon pelican]

in SLADE and just discovered that E3M2 is shaped like a hand

epic

[late venture]

got the yellow keycard in plutonia map04

SO MUCH PROGRESS

got through the barons

and a pain elemental at the door made me panic and I died

[stark acorn]

[wise notch]

tbh now looking at his face with "john" in my head, i guess it fits the best for me lol

[void hemlock]

john doomguy

john carmack

john romero

[wise notch]

ah yes the legend john trinity

[verbal shell]

🫡

[unreal gorge]

john darksouls

[pale finch]

john romero (posed for the cover art) (real answer)

Clint Jackson or sum shit (assumption)

[worn crown]

Ripley Tearington

[glass hare]

Hank Kill

[solar thistle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/493456630093185025/1165316742403334235/4x_1.gif?ex=654668c9&is=6533f3c9&hm=bf635fb686ae38d7ffc8001f27efc877723b5f0527b3d213f93b61d77a4f96c9&

[dreamy oak]

John Fitzgerald Doom

[verbal shell]

John Thermite Carmac

[vale gyro]

John Caco(demon)

[vast reef]

John John

[remote cedar]

Everyone calling Doomguy John for various reasons is actually so damn funny

[calm rivet]

sam hurricane

[vast reef]

in fairness i think john would fit cuz the two most notable/popular people who worked on doom are both named john

what last name would fit him though?

[remote cedar]

well I've explained my logic before

I'd just name him John Doom

but now that I think about it, isn't John Kane the name of the Doom 3 protag?

[vast reef]

yeah john doom works lol

[vast reef]

of the doom 3 novels, yes

[remote cedar]

Then maybe John Kane works

[celest sandal]

[vast reef]

john kaine

[remote cedar]

Oh sorry Kaine

[vast reef]

no it's kane

[remote cedar]

but yeah imo it works

[vast reef]

i just think kaine looks cooler cuz it looks more like an actual last name

[remote cedar]

oh what

hm yeah that's a fair point

[vast reef]

lmao if his middle initial is f we have jfk

[remote cedar]

uh oh

thank god there are no cars in Doom

[vast reef]

this jfk assassinates instead of getting assassinated 🔥

[cursive stag]

Anyone playing doom classics co op on ps4?

[vast reef]

achievements?

honestly broski it's not worth it

nobody ever responds to coop requests

unless it's some modded zand server

multiplayer achievements shouldn't be a thing tbh

don't sweat it if ur going completionist

imo i just wouldn't include it

[sick mist]

Which one is the "correct one" mates? o.0

[cursive stag]

Not for achievemens, very casual gamer here 😅, but I do understand your point, tbh I was looking for a gaming buddy to do some co-op games more into basic shooter ones. I tried a few like borderlands and overwatch but it wasn't my style. Too much stuff to upgrade and etc. Cod zombies are alright but repetitive. I enjoy Bethesda fps style more (not their rpg games-fallout). Wolfenstein, doom, Quake, beside they all bring a kind of sense of nostalgia, they are really good 😊 I just bought quake 1 & 2 on PS4 (I had them on PC a long time ago) , still amazing, simple and brilliant. And I noticed now you can do it co-op too, so I was looking if someone shares the sensation and wanna give it a try. Sorry to go through this all, just wanted to share the feeling 😊

[vast reef]

ohh

that's cool tbh

[sick mist]

give deeprock galactic a chance!

[vast reef]

if i had a ps4 i'd play w/ u

[sick mist]

same here, you seem chill

[vast reef]

i wonder if the classics will ever get crossplay... 😔

[cursive stag]

I just turned on my PS to check quake 1, it has cross play 🎉

[cursive stag]

It has 😁

[vast reef]

oh wow, actually?

classic doom?

[cursive stag]

It generates a room cood

I haven't checked classic doom yet, this was for quake 1.

[vast reef]

yeah the quake 1 and 2 remasters have crossplay

just waiting on quake 3 arena 🙏

[cursive stag]

Yeah classic dooms only local multiplayer

[unreal pike]

https://youtu.be/9CU-ZtzqZiI?t=573 anyone know this?

[vast reef]

good portion of us do i'm assuming

at least the ones active in the modding community

[ebon pelican]

yeah i played it its so good

[pallid wigeon]

Yes, its really good, try it with the rougelike arsenal! Makes it more replayable. XD

[vale gyro]

Right??

[chilly narwhal]

I'm not at my computer right now so I'd figure I'd ask in the meantime.
Can you easily transfer GZDoom save files between computers?
I've never had to think about doing it before.

[void hemlock]

well I mean if you have a flash drive containing the WADs/similar types along with the save files themselves then I believe so

[finite crag]

Does anyone know what mod people use for glory kills in project brutality or brutal doom?

[white pike]

MyHouse.WAD

I’ve recently come across a video from the YouTuber Power Pak, and wow, just, wow, I don’t know how known this person is in the doom community, and I know this map is old news by now, but wow. This mod knows how to fuck with you, and not in the “haha oogy boogy imma jumpscare you” type scare, I’m talking about the liminal unease this map sets upon you. It knows how to use the elements it was provided with perfectly, and more. Veddge, or whoever is running Veddge, did an amazing job and deserves nothing but praise in my opinion. This mod is a masterpiece in terms of horror and the gameplay of doom. This mod isn’t just a horror map that takes place in doom, it’s a horror map that makes doom a horror game for the “10 minutes of play time” that it has. This map is so captivating and has so many layers to it I can’t cover it all here. The story/world building in this mod is something I’ve never seen done, in any video game. I highly recommend watching this video to see just how in depth and thought out the story behind MyHouse.WAD is. Happy slaying 🙂

[white pike]

Oh wait did I post this in the wrong channel?

Oh no I did didn’t I?

[white pike]

<@&162901871168585728> this might be an unwarranted/unneeded ping, but I’m new and just wanted to make sure I posted this in the right chat room

[calm cradle]

This would be the right channel to discuss MyHouse

[white pike]

Alright, thank you for the information 🙏

[spice radish]

It’s a pretty neat map yeah. I enjoyed all its little features and such on my first go around

[white pike]

I don’t think you’ve seen the entire map though

Like I said in the paragraph I recommend watching power pak’s video on it

[vast reef]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-roll-emoji-emoticon-gif-10474654

[late venture]

finally I beat map04 of plutonia

heck of a level if u r doing a pistol started blind run

(and it only gets worse

[ashen flicker]

I don’t like chain gunners

Though constantly peaking corners and shooting them with the ssg works but if there’s no walls then I gotta use my own chaingun

[vast reef]

u have to strafe-peek like it's cs:go lmfao

[ashen flicker]

I suck just as bad at cs:go than I do at classic doom (I usually lean towards other valve games and doom games like tf2 and and doom 2016)

[white vortex]

They are a pain in Nightmare

[urban trench]

It is a masterpiece. I could not have found even the main story lines without that video.

[urban trench]

It surely does get worse from there!

I still need to beat the last level of Plutonia.

[white pike]

It really is

[ruby crater]

Yea OG Doom is great

[verbal shell]

Is it bad I enjoy Brutal Doom? (I admittedly only enjoy it in VR)

[buoyant wolf]

Not at all. It’s bad when you say that’s the only way or true way to play classic Doom but it’s totally fine to enjoy it.

[vast reef]

what other mods are you into

[verbal shell]

Doom Infinite was pretty fun. I've only played a couple so far

[vast reef]

brutal doom's kind of a gateway mod

i played it after already being decently deep into mods n that's the main reason i didn't enjoy it as much

[verbal shell]

Fair

There's so many I get lost trying to pick some to play

[timid bane]

Playing Sigil for the first time rn... tough stuff.

[azure nimbus]

Sigil is a great challenge for players good at vanilla doom so it's a great way to get into custom content

[timid bane]

That's me! Sigil showed me real quick that I wasn't as cool as I thought I was. But I'm really excited to take my first trip thru all the major content for classic doom

[verbal shell]

I've been going through Doom again in VR

It's a surprising amount of fun

Brutal Doom turns it into this wild and chaotic room clearing game

[timid bane]

Caught me off guard that the playstation version starts with motion sensitivity on... people use that? Seems like it would make Doomguy react slower

[finite crag]

I played so much Brutal Doom and then later so many other mods, that now going back to BD feels like playing vanilla (and yes I still do play vanilla doom from time to time)

[carmine sapphire]

Brutal doom got me into classic doom. It messes with ammo balance (I think there is a balanced version now iirc). I am just starting to use D4V and am happy with it.

[finite crag]

How do i make a doom wad for gzdoom

[azure nimbus]

ultimate doom builder

[tiny rampart]

whose to say when you open a door it's not actually the entire world moving around a static block of metal?

[remote cedar]

serious answer (cringe): we know the code doesn't do that
funny answer (based): a tall enough door could just move Mars out of orbit and prevent another demon invasion...

[vapid fox]

I’m new, but I’m guessing when MyHouse.wad firsts came out nobody would shut up about it here

[vale gyro]

Pretty much

[halcyon willow]

No one would shut up about it in the entire internet

Viral Phenomenon ™️

[vapid fox]

I mean its a fun mod, played it the other day for the first time m

[halcyon willow]

And for good reason, it's excellent work that defies genre conventions

[vapid fox]

But I didn’t discover it till after the hype died down

[halcyon willow]

Really well put together

[ruby crater]

What a rough night

Alexa, play me Despacito to the beat of the Impse gif

[outer lion]

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-evil-grin-gif-20903082

[fierce smelt]

I rarely talk in this server but I just wanna say, happy almost 30th doom!!!

[remote cedar]

finally beat Plutonia MAP15 after putting it away for so long

now I'm at MAP31

this one looks like it's gonna be tough as nails

[remote cedar]

Go 2 It is kicking my ass lmao

[tribal thunder]

in my opinion the classic doom (1993) is the best doom other than doom 2

[loud ravine]

[winged radish]

Hi

Anyone here play mighty doom app

[stuck tangle]

Hey all. Has anyone played Doom Slayer Chronicles?

[stark acorn]

#1077645316725149707 probably folks there

[mighty marsh]

I need help from a moderator of doomworld because I just don't manage to make an account

Is there anyone here I can talk to?

[white vortex]

Modmail

[vast reef]

doomworld moderator

[white vortex]

Wait I didn't read "doomworld" I read it as just doom 😭

[halcyon willow]

good thing there's a doomworld moderator on the staff

[snow urchin]

[hexed sleet]

which version of doom 2 no rest for the living is considered better (bfg edition vs the one on the unity port of doom 2)

i see there are some soundtrack differences

i own the bfg edition, but i'm contemplating to hold off playing this episode when i renew my game pass subscription

[tacit remnant]

Unity version because it’s in the better version of the engine. BFG Edition’s version is probably fine though

[hexed sleet]

i plan on using the bfg edition wad on gzdoom, is that better than unity? sorry should've been more clear

[urban trench]

I think that was the second worst but still beatable and fun to play. The Twilight, on the other hand, was the worst of Plutonia.

[tacit remnant]

I think the WAD is the same in both versions

[hexed escarp]

In terms of the actual wad, they are identical

[hexed sleet]

oh alright. then i'll go with the bfg edition with gzdoom. thanks!

[chilly narwhal]

Brutal Doom is what got me into doom but I now can't play it on OG doom maps.
You really start to see how well tuned vanilla doom is with the original maps the more time you spend playing doom.

[tacit remnant]

My appreciation for the first game has hit an all time high now that I’ve pistol started it. Makes you think a lot more carefully about ammo management and it even makes secrets exciting again

[azure nimbus]

It makes Sandy Peterson proud

[void hemlock]

now try nightmare

[cosmic edge]

Its still ez tho

[modest galleon]

Lvl 29 on Doom 2 nightmare is no joke

[remote cedar]

I finally beat Go 2 It earlier today

man that was a challenge and a half

It reminded me of how important the BFG and rocket launcher truly are

and that I should just use them more

[vast reef]

now do nightmare on plutonia

no way you're gonna call that easy

[wide sinew]

We finally got another '90s WAD in the Unity ports after all this time! Besides TNT and Plutonia, The Troopers' Playground (which literally just came to the Unity ports, like, today or something) is the only Add-On we've gotten from the '90s.

[void hemlock]

Next we need Nuts.wad and then we good

[spice radish]

The Nintendo switch players are gonna explode

[wide sinew]

I've actually tried playing nuts.wad on the mobile versions of the Unity ports before, and it runs better than expected. Still not great (it still crashes eventually) but it still runs for a little bit iirc. So if a Switch is more powerful than a Samsung Galaxy S10+, then it may actually be possible lol

[spice radish]

Coming from a guy who has a lot of playtime on a Switch I know I was underestimating it. But it also wouldn’t be a very fun experience either lol

[wide sinew]

Yeah, true lol. I'm actually a Switch main, and own every game in the series on Switch (even the Doom pinball table in Pinball FX3). In fact, the only versions of Doom (2016) and Eternal that I own are the Switch versions lol

But yeah, if they downscaled nuts.wad in, like, enemy count or something to make it work on Switch like how they downscaled Eternal's graphics and framerate to make that work, then it wouldn't really be nuts.wad anymore

Because that's really the only thing you could downscale in nuts.wad. You can't downscale the graphics or framerate like they did with Eternal, but the enemy count is literally what makes nuts.wad nuts.wad, so yeah

It may be possible, but it would probably CHUG

[spice radish]

I can hear my poor switches fans trying to run nuts.wad

[wide sinew]

Yeah, lol. I've already had to replace my Switch's fan because somehow a bunch of hair got caught up in it (I have no idea how), so I don't want to subject my Switch's current fan to the same level of agony

[scarlet lotus]

unless you take damage this plays throughout doom 1993 unless you get a new gun i which case you get this

[vast reef]

nono

use smth like the fastdoom engine for nuts.wad in specific

[cosmic edge]

I dont think if you understand, doom 2's and doom 1's nightmare is easy, i beat it in like an hour and half with like 40 health. On plutonia i never beat it but i could get to level 12 without dying.

[minor glacier]

if i own doom eternal...i technically own doom 1 and 2 yes?i want to use doom 1 and 2 WADs to mod for myself

[azure nimbus]

have you done it on NM

[zenith berry]

If you have the Steam version, just go to the classicwads folder in the DOOM Eternal directory, make a copy of the IWAD files and then load it on your source port of choice.

[timid bane]

I have all the classic Doom games on PS4, want to get them on PC this month, I'm curious: when you guys discuss the challenge of something like Plutonia on Nightmare you're using a keyboard & mouse on the original PC files, right? But on console we're using a controller on a ported console file, so how does the experience differ? Typically PC lets you be faster, right, so are the ports harder but only because controller input is slower? School me.

[vast reef]

no

the ports actually have buffed movement

also people beat super hard maps on controller

if you're used to it there shouldn't be a big difference

unless you're doing super precise speedrun glitches

[timid bane]

Interesting. I haven't played Doom on PC since the mid 90's, I can't remember jack lol. Thank you

[remote cedar]

I would definitely recommend PC for Classic Doom, as a keyboard and mouse feels much tighter than a controller would otherwise

[vast reef]

some people r super used to controller

• aiming isn't that hard in doom so it's easier to get used to controller

but yea mouse and keyboard is undisputed in terms of superiority when it comes to FPS games of course

[azure nimbus]

I've played both extensively. While there are some changes that in theory let you be faster on console(the movement change. It's very niche: it's auto sr50 to be specific), it's somewhat awkward on console because the xbox port doesn't allow you to map buttons to particular weapons so you have to use the wheel. Even though the default pc port lets you map weapons onto your controller. So that port would be objectively easier than more faithful(fanmade) ports that play exactly like it would've in 1996. All in all, your experience is almost identical. The movement change will not be noticeable unless you play too much doom. The weapon wheel is frustrating though. I play on my computer on a fan-made port and use controller. While most speedrunners use keyboard and mouse, the only real advantage for 99.9 % of play, is being able to lineup specific tricks that aren't relevant casually.

What is noticable is that the menus load slowly on the official port compared to DSDA. idk why

[timid bane]

I appreciate you

[hard wolf]

I get repetitive strain using the keyboard and mouse. I play longer and harder with a controller.

[hard wolf]

If you're used to using both, it doesn't even register after a few hours of gameplay and all of your transferable skills will carry over from 9ne to the other. The main difference for me, if any, between console and PC is the music, it just seemed to sound different back in the 90s with an Adlib Soundblaster, than how it sounds on the PS4. Of course, I didn't even have a sound card when I first played the Doom 1 shareware and it was just soul-chilling chip sounds.

[timid bane]

That's a lot of why I liked console games more as a kid/teen in the late 90's, and then thru my 20's working on computers during the day I liked to the console feeling at night. Nowadays of course consoles aren't simple offline or LAN experiences, might as well migrate to PC.

[timid bane]

If I could change the enemy sounds of Doom 2016 & Eternal to those of classic Doom, I'd be happy

[hard wolf]

I always loved the sound effects in the Alien Doom TC.

[zenith berry]

Strife and recently Rise of the Triad remasters have options to switch to AdLib/OPL music, I wish the DOOM re-releases had it too.

First played the game with GS Wavetable Synth/MIDI music but have since grown to admire the AdLib soundtrack.

[hard wolf]

I couldn't get into ROTT but I liked the voices. "Tra lala!"

[glad hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHED69uhw3k&list=RDEHED69uhw3k&start_radio=1 one of the best midis ever heard

[azure hamlet]

[remote cedar]

I'm on MAP27 of Plutonia

I can't believe I managed to play through MAP17 to MAP27 in a single sitting

I usually get pretty burnt out on Doom in a single sitting

[worn river]

alguien para jugar zanodrum? brutal doom,coop?

no hay server en español de doom?

[stark acorn]

dont think so

[stark acorn]

has 48 archviles in the thumbnail, cant be bad

[azure nimbus]

Puede mirar en "doomworld"

[sick mist]

lets keep it english only

[remote cedar]

there used to be a spanish channel iirc. but I don't remember very well so I'm not quite sure...

[hard wolf]

Yeah.

[lofty nexus]

can’t lie i prefer classic doom over new doom

[next palm]

Fr

[lofty nexus]

ded

[glad hazel]

I'm now playing uv+ (uv + fast monsters setting) classic wads

Feeling so fresh ngl

Like reopening vanilla from new angles

Now completed 1st episode of ultimate doom and e2m1-e2m4

[azure nimbus]

doom1 has extra items but no uv+ exclusive monsters

[wise notch]

wow the bfg edition of doom 2 is so weird

like map the secret maps have no ss nazis?

and can anyone tell me how to get to map 33

[wise notch]

ok i just idclev'd to it
this map hurts my brain

i question everything

[timid bane]

does uv+ speed up infighting and generally cause more enemy collateral damage?

[finite crag]

Hi guys

Ive really enjoyed uac ultra

Are there any other wads with the same vibe?

Like detalisation, dark atmosphere etc

Or maybe some wads with vibe of citadel from hl 2

[hard wolf]

Hi

[void hemlock]

underhalls by the corner where outside of the left of the shotgunner building has that little corridor that lowers and deploys imps, and get into the top right corner of that room and it will teleport you to Betray

also the wads in BFG edition suck

it's heavily censored on the Wolfenstein maps and there is strange oddities introduced

just play the original WAD

Also Betray sucks too

[wise notch]

yeah its really bad

[void hemlock]

Betray feels more like a map made for Wolfenstein rather than Doom

[wise notch]

at least the bfg edition comes with no rest for the living

which is really good i hear

[void hemlock]

about that

NRFTL is on the Unity port too for free

and I believe the WAD has been extracted from BFG and distributed online

[wise notch]

hm thats cool

[wise notch]

my biggest problem with it is the long hallways with no enemies and the horrific textures also it has no theme

[void hemlock]

it looks like someone anyone could make in like

an hour

[wise notch]

at least it uses the Read Me While Listening To This track, i was suprised to find out how long it was so some people heard it in its entirety through this map

[void hemlock]

I mean then again Plutonia uses it

for one of their maps

[wise notch]

oh it does?
i haven't finished plutonia yet so i wouldn't know

[void hemlock]

yeah, I haven't either but I've read that through the wiki

[wise notch]

yeah i just got to betray the intended way

its so weird it feels like a mistake instead of a legitimate secret

a bug

[void hemlock]

then in some releases after BFG edition, the secret that leads to Betray was there but the map was removed

so you would restart Underhalls again lmao

[wise notch]

yeah lmao i've read that on a wiki

i've also read in some versions of doom 2 with betray, you get to betray through map 1

instead of underhalls
but i don't know how

[visual star]

well actually

[visual star]

its only in a very specific version of doom 2

only a copy one person has

you see,

every copy of doom 2 is personalized

[void hemlock]

wow so funny

[azure nimbus]

kinda. Enemies will perpetually attack(as long as a target is visible) so it can be useful to have a mancubus or cyberdemon "turet" helping you. However, since monsters are constantly attacking, they'll barely walk. Walking is required for monsters to change targets.

[void hemlock]

To put it brief, UV+ is essentially Nightmare mode without the respawning, and some other minor additions

best way I can briefly sum up in layman's terms

[timid bane]

its interesting that constant attacking leads to barely walking, i'll check it out later

[remote cedar]

does UV+ have double ammo?

[void hemlock]

I think? I'm not sure

I never really played it much

and I really think I should cause I don't wanna touch nightmare

[remote cedar]

it would be weird considering it doesn't have double enemies to balance it out but eh

[remote cedar]

ngl me neither

UV is already hard enough as is

especially in wads like Plutonia

[void hemlock]

UV to me is easy imo

Doom 1 and 2 on UV was easy

[remote cedar]

imagine trying to play Plutonia on Nightmare tho 💀

[void hemlock]

sure I haven't tried other WADs, but I feel like UV+ could be my niche

[void hemlock]

Zero Master would like to laugh at you, or possibly all of us

[remote cedar]

I mean, that's just Zero Master for ya

[void hemlock]

And now imagine if Ultra-Nightmare from Doom Eternal specifically would be introduced in the classic games

and then play Plutonia on it

unfathomable

[remote cedar]

biggest HELL NAH I've ever mentally materialized I'm pretty sure

with that said, isn't Nightmare in Modern Doom way easier than Nightmare in Classic Doom

[void hemlock]

I have no idea

I do know Doom 2016 is pretty meh

but Eternal goes all out when it comes to the difficulties

[remote cedar]

I haven't played any Modern Doom games yet since I'm actually playing most Doom games in order

and right now I'm still on Plutonia

[void hemlock]

I stil have never played Plutonia

[remote cedar]

(I won't be playing Master Levels tho fuck the Master Levels)

[void hemlock]

I did stream TNT before, but wow is it so MID

I don't even think I want to continue playing and just move straight to Plutonia

[remote cedar]

TNT has some highs but the lows are the lowest the series has ever reached

[remote cedar]

I don't like to be a "part-skipper" of sorts but I say go for Plutonia

it has a steep difficulty curve but it's genuinely more fun than TNT's 300 low tier demon maps

[void hemlock]

I think I might just go for it then

[remote cedar]

watch out for chaingunners though, Plutonia tends to use them a lot

[void hemlock]

one day I will

[remote cedar]

I can just feel the misery from here lol

[void hemlock]

ggrreeaatt

im gonna guess they also just spam archviles and revenants too cause why not, i hate chaingunners with a passion more than archviles imo

but dont spoil me on it, just my assumption

[remote cedar]

with that said, there's definitely a before and after plutonia

if you manage to beat Plutonia there isn't much that can faze you in the rest of Classic Doom

it prepares you very well for Doom 64 which tends to be a good middle ground between Doom II and Plutonia in terms of difficulty from what I've heard

[void hemlock]

about that

I've already perfected Doom 64 lmao

[remote cedar]

I guess you're good to go for Plutonia then 😎

[void hemlock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/505038972758654989/1181011977162727505/image.png?ex=657f821d&is=656d0d1d&hm=65f1bd39f27612d10069b684ac3cad09a44b480621bcfe310530c2eef4a2cc90&

guess so

Doom 64 was great to end the classic series

[remote cedar]

I have yet to play it

I know about the Unmaker and the demon keys though

[void hemlock]

It's my second favorite classic doom game imo

[void hemlock]

you probably don't know about the final boss though which I won't tell you about

But one thing I can say

[remote cedar]

I do know about it yes

[void hemlock]

Best Classic Doom final boss ever

[remote cedar]

I just haven't played the game myself

[void hemlock]

oh

[remote cedar]

Classic Doom bosses tend to be pretty mid so that's not hard to beat

[void hemlock]

then the final boss in 64 is the best one

i just wish the Icon of Sin was like it

[remote cedar]

I'm willing to believe that

[void hemlock]

but I get it, Doom 2 was rushed

it was made under 10 months, it's fine

[remote cedar]

honestly for what it is Doom II is still a good Doom game

sure it's not as good as 1993 but it did have the SSG and cool new demons

also the music slaps

[hard wolf]

I like them both the same.

[hard wolf]

Did anyone ever play the Alien Doom TC?

[finite crag]

йа пидарас

[last cloak]

I have beaten the E1M1 record https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/595865895671431184/1181169229135892522/IMG_1432.jpg?ex=65801491&is=656d9f91&hm=d183a8e418c839c96044e96a69d8bb4aca9bd2c4d075b97e286e07160391e652&

Sucks that I don't have a demo since I played on GZDoom

[azure nimbus]

Good run but gz has different physics

[hard wolf]

But you've achieved next to nothing in the process if you haven't got 100% completion.

[azure nimbus]

ya gotta stop lmao. the e1m1 uvspeed is one of the most competitive records ever, not just in doom. I like my uvmax, but don't pretend that uvspeed, or even nomo doesn't exist

[white vortex]

It's a uvspeed run you don't need to collect or kill anything

[void hemlock]

yeah it doesn’t count then

not because of the stats

But because GZDoom was used

[ruby crater]

[rotund dew]

but it won't count unless you use chocolate doom or other vanilla port. gzdoom is a bit different

[vale gyro]

Even if he did use vanilla, no demo means it’s not a valid run

[azure nimbus]

Recording a demo "locks" the RNG table which is relevant for such a tight run

[halcyon willow]

then you have not beaten the record

[finite crag]

question is the original port that is on steam good for practicing speedrunning or do i need crispy doom or some other port?

[remote cedar]

the best port to practice speedrunning would be DSDA-Doom, one of the most faithful vanilla Doom sourceports

I'm not sure how good the Unity port is for speedrunning

[finite crag]

okay thank you

[azure nimbus]

there is a separate speedrunnning community for unity. If you want to practice, I'd say unity is mostly fine because it's mostly fine, but DSDA is free and better in just about every way

[halcyon willow]

crispy for iwad speed running

dsda generally for pwads

well, for pwads it'll be the port the wad was designed for

[azure nimbus]

Which is usually dsda but sometimes you're playing a bridgeburner wad

[halcyon willow]

if you want to do this seriously, check the requriements of the record you''re going for

heh, bastion of chaos actually has 2 UVMax runs

ancalagon is nuts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RWaFoSHKGc

lucky edie did it first in just under 2 hours iirc

for all your speedrunning needs:
https://dsdarchive.com/

[azure nimbus]

My lil laptop would be crying playing a standard GZ level. I wouldn't have a computer after playing that

[finite crag]

lmao i just getting back into doom and i used to use gz doom alot but for casual play but lately ive been hearing gz doom been having problems or isnt 1 to 1 with the original doom

[azure nimbus]

If you prefer GZ for freelook and different options, whatever. If you do want the 1-1 experience in terms of the physics, gz won't have it for vanilla gameplay

[halcyon willow]

there's actually a low spec version that was tested on a 680

i deleted roughly half of the dynamic lights, blocked off a bunch of sight lines and removed any decorative portals

[halcyon willow]

gzdoom's difference are un noticeable from vanilla for 99% of players

aside from the glaringly obvious stuff like jumping (which wads will block off via mapinfo most of the time if they don't allow for jumping)

[azure nimbus]

Or at least if you set the graphics to look more or less vanilla. but default settings are very clearly gz

[halcyon willow]

yeah the hardware renderer definitely looks different (especially if you leave the default texture filtering on )

there are some good guides for getting gzdoom to replicate the vanilla visuals

but if you're not playing in 320x200 then it's not gonna look like vanilla anyway 👅

[finite crag]

alright finally dsda doom downloaded now time to mess with the settings lol

[halcyon willow]

one of the cool features DSDA has is a rewind function. great for practising speedrunning segments

[finite crag]

i noticed that while going through settings

[remote cedar]

I'm finally done with Plutonia

UV max is complete

I'm finally free from Final Doom!

time to say goodbye to the old engine and start getting upgrades

Doom 64 here I come baby 💪

[scarlet lotus]

Whats yalls fav doom mod
Me personaly i would say maybe between myhouse.wad or brutal doom
Or the other one......bit controversial

[carmine sapphire]

D4V

[hard wolf]

I like the Alien TC.

[halcyon willow]

Supercharge

lots of good projects made with it. Paradise, Break//Point, Ar Luminae, Technicolour Antichrist Box, Culling Strike (deathmatch pack)

oh, Godless Night

that just dropped

[vast reef]

ur so real for that bridgeburner

[urban trench]

Congratulations! Plutonia was pretty frustrating.

[remote cedar]

I'd say TNT was worse

[lime seal]

As Civvie 11 would say, most of TNT is boring, maybe thats why it generates frustration
Because i find Plutonia very entertaining and challenging atlast

[remote cedar]

Plutonia can be bullshit but it's mostly not

probably because they don't use hitscanners for 70% of its total enemy count

there's like 30% hitscanners in the whole campaign

the rest is the tough but good monsters like Revenants, Arachnotrons, Mancubi and Archviles

[urban trench]

So many revenants 😆

[remote cedar]

Revenants are fun though

like yeah sure if you get hit by their projectile you'll get your ass nuked but like

they're still pretty fair demons

unlike chaingunners who are the spawn of evil if you ask me

I tolerate Archviles more than Chaingunners

[zenith berry]

MyHouse.wad, ZageMod, MetaDoom (the mod Zage is based from), and D4V.

[dusk umbra]

Hey, what's the forbidden mod here?

like you can't discuss about it.

[remote cedar]

probably that one nsfw mod

idk for sure though

it's really not that good a mod though

[vale gyro]

other way around for me tbh

I cannot stand Archviles in any doom game

[white vortex]

Common sense, anything relating to hate and racism or tragic real life events and the nsfw one

And no don't discuss about them here

[dusk umbra]

oh, i understand it all, thanks for short but precise answer.

[vast reef]

moonman isn't against the rules (guessing this bc i haven't seen a moonman discussion get purged) but talking about it is frowned upon for obvious reasons

[dusky remnant]

https://youtu.be/Z1CODAgUfSg

[void hemlock]

Best Doom game ever surely

||lmao||

[zenith berry]

the forbidden “high def” mod

[visual star]

sigil 2 comes out in like 5 days

[remote cedar]

I wonder if Bethesda's gonna do anything for Doom's 30th

[zenith berry]

Second this question.

However Bethesda is already selling commemorative floppy disk displays.

They’re limited to 1,993.

[dull folio]

Same, though their pose is much funnier in doom 2 than eternal

[spice radish]

New add ons are definitely coming for sure

It would be weird if they didn’t

[amber pelican]

Question: I want to "Bundle" Doom, Sigil, Doom II, TNT, Plutonia, The Master Levels and No Rest for the living with a Source port that is great for Singleplayer but also makes it easy to host a "Temporary Server" that can be connected to and played on AND looks as close to Vanilla Doom as much as possible for a friend of mine but Source ports are a plenty making it hard, I don't suppose anyone here would be willing to aid a marine?

[elder girder]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-guy-twerk-gif-25604234

[amber pelican]

😒 Mature, very mature, we are all amused

[urban trench]

Waiting for SIGIL 2, definitely!

[vast reef]

😂😂😂

haha!!!! doomguy butt!!!! funny...

[remote cedar]

I mean can we really complain

he's got that W gyatt

[vale gyro]

I mean, you can’t get mad at Classic Doomguy

[azure nimbus]

look into Odemex or Zandronum

[fervent ibex]

anyone know a very low-end hardware friendly doom sourceport

managed doom is great, it features frame interpolation and barely uses cpu. but lacks heavy on wad support

[vast reef]

how low-end

i'd rec. fastdoom

[vast reef]

also does managed doom run better than crispy or chocolate doom

[fervent ibex]

just not very hardware intensive, aiming to be optimized

[vast reef]

fastdoom then

but doom is already incredibly low-end

the vast majority of non-zdoom-based ports will run performantly on most modern machines

[fervent ibex]

i actually havent tried both yet lol, i should do that now

im kinda new to the community so ye

[vast reef]

looking for a "low-end" doom port is useless

unless you're running it on a computer that was considered weak in in the 90s

[vast reef]

they probably run better than managed doom lol

[fervent ibex]

i know that doom is super hardware friendly but, i mentioned managed doom because its the sourceport apart from gzdoom, zdoom and others that i've tried that let me play doom with on my laptop 2hrs straight without charging while providing a smooth fps

[vast reef]

gzdoom just runs like shit comparatively lol

[fervent ibex]

its honestly not bad but it cant play custom wads

[vast reef]

it's notorious for its performance

[fervent ibex]

im guessing gzdoom is supposed to be more modding friendly than super self-contained as managed doom and rest?

[vast reef]

gz is basically a whole new engine

[fervent ibex]

yeah

[vast reef]

you can make platformers and top-down games in it lol

[fervent ibex]

oh wait like an actual game engine

oh i see damn ok

what about zdoom?

[vast reef]

the port gzdoom is built on

[fervent ibex]

oh ok

[vast reef]

i've heard that that's where the performance problems come from

making it into almost a do-everything engine while still being based on doom code

even if i think there's like 3 untouched lines of id tech left in that beast

[fervent ibex]

i see

thats what everyone is using to make those insane engine mods

[vast reef]

yeah, have you seen selaco?

[fervent ibex]

oh yeahh

[vast reef]

it's crazy man

[fervent ibex]

yep

ok im try fastdoom might report back, thanks 👍

[azure nimbus]

dsda

[finite crag]

Guys help me please, I play brutal doom on ultra violence with a monster pack from complex brutal on eday, monsters rip&tear my ass

But if i go one difficulty level below, I would think that Im a casual noob

What should I do?

Especially first levels without open spaces, where a baron from monster pack spams insane aoe attacks

[sick mist]

Enjoy the game however it is the most fun for you?

Who cares about difficulty

[finite crag]

Yeah but

If I play on harsh I would not have challenge