classic-doom

[willow cloak]

doesn’t sound like it’s for me

[finite crag]

The developer is a funny guy for sure

[willow cloak]

i play on low difficulty, i just like the feel of the game. Making the enemies more aggressive is a turn off for me

i already struggle with them as is

[royal heron]

Honestly from what I've seen of brutal doom and project brutality, I prefer project brutality much more

[finite crag]

Metadoo-

[hexed escarp]

i just dont like the idea of reloading in doom

[finite crag]

That's annoying too

Makes it slow

[royal heron]

You could always turn it off in the settings, but it's moreso the other gameplay changes that I don't necessarily like

Even with the enhanced AI, the guns are so powerful that I had to play on like

I forgot the name but basically the hardest difficulty

To get any kick out of the mod

I think it was called black death or something along those lines

[dapper flint]

Works well in breakpoint

[royal heron]

I honestly don't really do mods anymore

But when I go for them, I either go for the stuff that's funny like russian overkill or abort

Or something like EOA also does nicely

[dapper flint]

Breakpoint isn't a mod just a gz wad that balanced reloading very well

[royal heron]

I know, I'm just expanding on what I was saying before on mods

[dapper flint]

I agree on eoa though. Man... pure genius making that

[azure nimbus]

What are they whining about by using the word liminal space? My understanding is that the ideal liminal space is an area that only exists in service of another space: a parking lot for example. And in the absence of activity, it can be taken as creepy how superficial the environment is without a purpose. The word might be overused though. I think the death of malls is more specific than the death of consumerism. Consumerism is so broad. Maybe brick and mortar shopping or malls are dying out but people still buy stuff

[ruby crater]

From Doom to Doom of the real world

[vocal summit]

then play vanilla, the point of a mod is to change the game

why keep it identical with the same mechanics when you can add a lot more than what doom had to offer?

makes it a whole lot more entertaining, that's for sure

[ruby crater]

Reloading in Doom isn’t entertaining tho, but I hear what you’re saying about mods in general

[vocal summit]

not just reloading, new mechanics

double jumping, sliding, kicking, executions

reloads just make you think a lot harder about what gun you should use at the moment

[ruby crater]

Delays with firing like with the combat shotgun/supershotgun are interesting enough as is with their animations

Reloading just adds more asinine downtime to demon-slaughter

But I also dislike having to jump or mouselook in doom wads, because most of the time they aren’t implemented in meaningful ways to warrant it

Like instead of jumping to a ledge, just make a bridge, jumping doesn’t necessarily change how it happens

[vocal summit]

except it does

what's the fun in pressing w when you can press SPACE and w!

[finite crag]

Hey folks, not sure if anyone would know the answer, but I'm using prdoom on an android handheld, but I can't use dual analog sticks like Doom EE?

[azure nimbus]

Doom has slow weapon switching and that motivates players to rely on one weapon for large portions of a fight at a time as well as planning ahead quite a bit. Fast weapon swaps, reloading, reload canceling and the like incentivize the opposite. They're different and I like both existing for different games.

[royal heron]

holy shit... myhouse is so mainstream now that moistcritikal played it

I've never expected this

jacksepticeye was already a surprise but damn

this is crazy

[vast reef]

dk about you but some of the reloading in drla is annoying

you have to reload the shotgun after every shot, and it's literally just the vanilla doom shotgun
same goes for the rocket launcher

honestly reloading is fine for me as long as it's balanced

[vast reef]

adding jump increases the amount of possible paths, good for hiding secrets
but i get where you're coming from, i also dislike using jumping for the sake of using jumping

what other mods have you played

[ruby crater]

Jumping definitely can be used to great benefit. I love when such things are implemented and utilized to great effect

My headcanon is doomguy can’t look up and down cuz of a broken neck and his back problems make it difficult for him to jump

[vast reef]

lmaoo

[ruby crater]

It’s hard jumping with 8 guns on your body, especially with the bfg9000 alone

Tell me I’m wrong lol

[vast reef]

but when an archvile zaps him, it hurts enough for him to jump in pain
real!!

[ruby crater]

I view it as Doomguy gets launched by the blast, since it is an explosion, no?

One part hitscan and one part boom

[vast reef]

yes, but it's funnier that way

[ruby crater]

Arch viles do enough laughing as it is

[vast reef]

lol

[vocal summit]

never played that mod, i mostly play pb because i work on it a lot

[zenith berry]

I thought Doomguy has some sort of an interdimensional pocket where he stores his weapons?

[vast reef]

doomguy puts his weapons in a blender and makes a smoothie out of them

he can reach inside his mouth and pull the weapon out like rico from the penguins of madagascar

[ruby crater]

I always imagined he used a lot of weapon straps to make swapping somewhat feasible

[radiant yoke]

i watched a playthrough of myhouse

holy shit it terrifying

[dense plinth]

is it really though?

[vast reef]

omg m house wad scary !!!

[fast kindle]

it's kinda cool tho

[dense plinth]

I feel like I've become too jaded to horror

people tell me "this is scary" and it's always the most mild shit ever

[zenith berry]

Nah MyHouse.wad does gave me thrills.

[vast reef]

i have not played myhouse.wad

[dense plinth]

even those analogue horror videos on youtube do nothing for me

[vast reef]

same

[fast kindle]

I tried to play it, but i'm so ass at classic doom i died twice

[remote cedar]

myhouse.wad isn't really scary tbh

[warped wind]

It's not really all that scary, but it's more of like a mystery thing.

[remote cedar]

yeah pretty much

[dense plinth]

I fully completed myhouse

[remote cedar]

It's intimidating but not scary

[dense plinth]

I admit, I did have to look up a guide for some area's

[remote cedar]

because you're always on your toes as you'll never know what the house has to throw at you

[warped wind]

Have you seen jacksepticeye's playthrough of the wad?
He tried to headshot the demons in every single encounter

[dense plinth]

especially the ||gas station, only indication the wall in the fence is there are the paintings on the living room wall that are very easy to miss||

[dense plinth]

was he playing with a mod that allows for a headshot multiplier or was he just using base gzdoom with freelook

[warped wind]

I'm very bummed out that only a few people took the shirts from the closets and airport shops

[dense plinth]

I took one accidentally

then realized what it did and thought "neat"

[warped wind]

No mods, base gzdoom. Texture smoothing and all :)

[dense plinth]

eugh

Texture smoothing

disgusting

[warped wind]

You can't blame them. They don't play doom regularly

[dense plinth]

fair

[zenith berry]

As someone who played both DOOM 3 and 64, MyHouse.wad gave me more fear than these two.

[warped wind]

Blame gzdoom, they made that the default setting.

[dense plinth]

weird since zdoom didn't have it on by default

[radiant yoke]

i have anxiety so that doesnt help 😭

[dense plinth]

did zdoom even have texture smoothing? I never checked

[dense plinth]

fair, but from my experience people with anxiety are oddly into horror but that might just be a coincidence with the people I've met

[radiant yoke]

ye

but its far more creative then most horror games

it doesnt use jumpscares, it just uses liminal spaces

[zenith berry]

True

Even tho I still expected it to appear anytime

[dense plinth]

the most horrifying thing in the mod was never the themes but those moments when it throws a dozen enemies at you and you have fuck all to fight them with

[radiant yoke]

specially that gas station

[dense plinth]

mhm

[radiant yoke]

cause it brings the fear of being alone

and ur mind thinks something will hit u

not to mention myhouse literally breaks the reality of doom and irl

[warped wind]

More people should use the drinks dispenser in the gas station to fill up their health

[remote cedar]

the slushy machine or whatever

[dense plinth]

yeah

[radiant yoke]

fr fr

[warped wind]

https://tenor.com/view/711-7eleven-slurpee-slurpee-day-free-slurpee-day-gif-17767951

[dense plinth]

I got stuck at one point because I never picked up the wine bottle from the kitchen

[remote cedar]

but yeah I'm not really a fan of how it just goes slaughtermap at the very end

[warped wind]

What flavor would this even be
Ass flavor?

[dense plinth]

and I was like "the fuck am I missing"

[radiant yoke]

and the true ending is just a beach

[radiant yoke]

which kinda just shows u did it

[warped wind]

(With doggo if you were determined)

[dense plinth]

||if you don't kill the dog in the apartment you keep the dog at the end||

[radiant yoke]

if u keep the doggo alive
and let them live till the end

you are certified swag

[dense plinth]

honestly when I got to the ending I was kinda like, "is this it?"

I dunno what I was expecting

maybe a bit more of an explanation for shit

[remote cedar]

I think it's just meant to subvert your expectations of what completing a doom map is / feels like

leaving myhouse through conventional means is not "beating" the map

[dense plinth]

the whole map is a compilation of different themes over the course of a life

[radiant yoke]

getting the beach felt like heaven
it shows u solved what the house is

(and backrooms ig)

[dense plinth]

there's an underlying through thread but it never states it to you

[radiant yoke]

the fact doom can be played on a pregnancy test

[warped wind]

There are so many companion mods, you could get the dog out of the game

[dense plinth]

I did like myhouse

overall, I thought it was really well made

[radiant yoke]

fr fr

broke the reality of doom 2

[dense plinth]

I do wish I had the patience to have completed it blind

but I don't, and some of the stuff you have to do to get the good ending I would have never guessed

[remote cedar]

I wonder if someone did manage to complete the map with 100% kills

[warped wind]

There is a dog companion mod somethere...

[dense plinth]

it's impossible

[warped wind]

It's the same dog, the dog from wolfenstein 3d

[remote cedar]

yeah makes sense

[dense plinth]

to get 100% kills you have to kill all the enemies in the destroyed house

[warped wind]

It actually attacks enemies and stuff

[remote cedar]

yeah it's a german shepherd

[dense plinth]

which would lock you out of the good ending

[warped wind]

Look at all these companions! Waow!

[remote cedar]

Yeah but couldn't you just kill everything, then activate the burned house ending?

[radiant yoke]

imagine companions on doom tho

[warped wind]

You could add duke nukem as an ally

As well as Caleb (from Blood)

Those two have really soothing voices

[radiant yoke]

now a collab with halo and doom

[warped wind]

Caleb especially.

[remote cedar]

You do the true ending route but you don't reach the beach.
Then you activate the burned house ending sequence, kill all the enemies in that path, then you leave the house.

Wouldn't that be possible?

[dense plinth]

I don't think you could get back to the gas station if you did that

[remote cedar]

That's why you kill everything at the gas station first

[dense plinth]

but it also depends if the basement is still open as well

[remote cedar]

Yeah that's the major factor here. If it is locked then there's no chance to accomplish that

[dense plinth]

I think the basement room is exclusive to the house variant that locks you in

[warped wind]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3DeEH_3BDw
Listen to this

[radiant yoke]

if i played myhouse blind, there would be atleast 10 mancubus's of shit

[remote cedar]

I'll have to check that some other day.

[dense plinth]

I did manage to find out quite a few things without the use of a guide

I flooded the house just by interacting with shit

I got to the airport without a guide

[remote cedar]

it's just good doom étiquette to hump every possible surface

[dense plinth]

yeah but that gets tedious and boring

[remote cedar]

I like that myhouse takes it a step further and unlocks a whole new path as a reward

[dense plinth]

yeah

[radiant yoke]

that grave tho 😔

[remote cedar]

yeah... it does beg the question though: what does it mean?

[radiant yoke]

||the person who wrote all the journals||

||died the same day the guy who had the house died||

[remote cedar]

Bro... spoilers

[radiant yoke]

OOPS

i thought everyone knew hol up

ples forgeev

[remote cedar]

my personal theory is that ||all of the documents that are in the google drive are created by the unified souls of Tom and Steve, and their most powerful manifestation resides in myhouse.pk3||

||that includes the journal, which was written by Steve's soul||

[radiant yoke]

||which could explain how the level shifted places||

||like it isnt the creator, the souls are just making parts of the level||

[remote cedar]

||I think both souls just want to tell a different story, with linking points between the two of them but they ultimately find peace when the black archvile is released from the campfire. That archvile represents their will to let the house live on.||

[radiant yoke]

||then the beach.||

[warped wind]

People also accept that they both gae

[radiant yoke]

homophobic people on their way to criticize this story:

[warped wind]

I'll come here everyday to talk about doom mods.

What about just good old fashioned wads?

Is there a way to share wads in this server I'm pretty new

[azure nimbus]

You can say the name and they'll be easy to find on doomworld or idgamesarchive but I don't think the automod likes links

[warped wind]

I just sent one over to #classic-doom-maps-mods

[tired dawn]

opinions on brutal doom's creator?

[zenith berry]

I recommend UAC Military Nightmare. One of the DOOM mods ever that had me shaking /jk

[warped wind]

I like destructible decor, but not decor that always drops something on getting destroyed. The black barrels in brutal doom are kinda annoying, as it forces me to break them. I think that's a me problem but I prefer decor that simply breaks because look nice.
Edit: This is irrelevant.

[warped wind]

There are many reddit posts and forum posts about him being big bad

It still feels like most of the people hating brutal doom have biased opinions simply because the creator is shit

[tired dawn]

yeah

he apologized for most of the action he's done too

[warped wind]

There are still people saying that brutal doom's fatalities inspired doom 2016's glory kills

[tired dawn]

bruh

[warped wind]

Really? Idk about that

[tired dawn]

yeah

[warped wind]

He has inspired a lot of other doom mods, but idk about an official doom game.

[finite crag]

Brutal doom is still like
I'd rather play metadoom

Watch there be something bad about that one too

[warped wind]

Newer mods are actually really well made nowadays

[tired dawn]

i mean

i get it

[warped wind]

Even then I'm not sure if it is brutal doom forcing everyone else to make higher quality mods

Do you think first person shooters would have come anyway even if doom wasn't there?

[finite crag]

I just feel like it's overly gory for no reason

[warped wind]

I think you mean edgy

[tired dawn]

doom eternal:

[finite crag]

Yeah we would have got Wolfenstein 2: rise of the triad

[finite crag]

This too

[finite crag]

Also a reason I don't like modern doom visuals

It's not even scary it's just weird

[warped wind]

Doom eternal stops at a point. Stabity-stab, haha bye bye!
Oh look, cacodemon, I'm take eyeball thanku! plonk Bye bye! hehehe

[tired dawn]

true

[finite crag]

I think doom Slayer is still an awful name

[warped wind]

It wouldn't have been that popular though.

Call of duty wouldn't have been as famous

[finite crag]

I mean Carmack thought it would be
Lol

[warped wind]

I think

[finite crag]

The reason it's not wolf3d 2 is because Carmack didn't want it to compete with doom
Amazing

[warped wind]

Yeah
I prefer doomguy

[tired dawn]

but if someone says seargant is a sociopath bcs he look at gores as a reference to make the mods gore, i don't think it's a valid argument

[finite crag]

Inspiration

[warped wind]

He uses real life gore to make his sprites, allegedly

[tired dawn]

valve didn't just reference gore, it just put actual gore of a burned man

[warped wind]

Yeah, that makes for another ethical question

[tired dawn]

nah, i think he said that he looks at gore for reference

[warped wind]

Would it be right to use the pictures of me massacred for your game for sprites?

[finite crag]

I just realised about valve
Why didn't they get Dario to make the expansions for hl1 and not Randy

[tired dawn]

imo, no

the lines i have is looking it for reference

[finite crag]

Morally no

Legally idk

[warped wind]

Some people do not care where sprites come from as long as game is good
Others say we should respect the dead

[tired dawn]

yeah

[warped wind]

I mean, you could take pictures from the internet

Doom also has sprites that were from real life

Real like dead people

[tired dawn]

looking at it for more accuracy is ok ig for me

[warped wind]

Apparently the sprites were from pictures of executed hanged corpses of Benito Mussolini and some of his followers.

[tired dawn]

nah

that's the original id doom

not the mod

[vast reef]

it's fine looking at publicly available images imo

you have the right to use them

[tired dawn]

true that

but!

[warped wind]

Yeah I was talking about the original game

[warped wind]

Look

[tired dawn]

straight out ripping it for textures morally doesn't sit well for me

doesn't mean i won't play it

[vast reef]

depends imo

if you're using it in a shitpost-y way that's disrespectful

[warped wind]

What about a mod that the devs have actually worked hard for then?

[tired dawn]

i mean tbh i sometimes look at pictures like that too

[warped wind]

Sgt Mark obsesses over his mod, no wonder it was so well made for its time

[vast reef]

wouldn't mind as long as they referenced the source of the image

[tired dawn]

but i think ripping it for texture is morally a gray area

[vast reef]

metal album covers use corpse pics all the time

[warped wind]

I sometimes visit r/goreandmore or other subs like that, pretty much for research purposes
It's pretty fascinating to me

[vast reef]

images are easy to handle honestly

[tired dawn]

nah i visit r/eyeblech and r/NSFL

[warped wind]

Cannibal corpse?

[vast reef]

was thinking pissgrave and the funny mayhem album

[warped wind]

Wait is eyeblech a different sub?

[zinc pollen]

hey, what do you think is the best classic doom wad? (except sunlust, I already played it)

[tired dawn]

yes

[warped wind]

Oho no
What if someone mispells eyebleach

[vast reef]

go to the cacowards

[zinc pollen]

alr

[vast reef]

ribbiks makes good shit

[tired dawn]

nah it clearly labeled as NSFW

[warped wind]

It's like mispelling google to go to goggle.com, a site that would give you viruses

[vast reef]

typo fishing is very common

go to teddit.com for example

[vast reef]

mhm

[warped wind]

Well, should I?

[vast reef]

you get a warning

[vast reef]

no

[tired dawn]

wait what?

[warped wind]

Someone says this is r/creepygaming: SergeantMarkIV actually uses (or did use at one point) real gore from car crashes for Brutal Doom so seeing this isn't too surprising. However I have looked into this before and from what I can tell, they're not traced at least or corpses converted into pixels, might've used reference from Benito but yeahs, nothing is for sure.

[vast reef]

"this subreddit is nsfw"

[tired dawn]

shit

[vast reef]

or do you not get that with an account signed in

[warped wind]

Another replied: that's really disturbing and also metal as fuck. if i died i would also like to be turned into a doom mod sprite. btw is there a source or something for this??

[warped wind]

I guess there are people that would like to become a sprite in a game?
What do you think?

[vast reef]

just use my corpse respectfully and i wouldn't mind

[tired dawn]

account signed in you get that

[vast reef]

ah

[tired dawn]

oh wait

im stupid

[warped wind]

I have no idea what you mean by "respectfully". You either get turned into decor that makes you look like your dead body isn't worth having a more important role or you get turned into a sprite for a dead enemy, making you look evil

[tired dawn]

i thought im gonna get warned lol

[vast reef]

don't use my corpse for a gag enemy

besides, who the fuck would use a png of a corpse for an enemy in the first place

[tired dawn]

um

half life 2

[vast reef]

no i mean like

for a sprite

besides, hl2 got it from a medical book

personally i don't care about forensic and medical photographs being used for sprites/album covers/textures

[tired dawn]

imo as long as it's not an image it's ok

[vast reef]

tf would it be other than an image

[tired dawn]

yeah

[vast reef]

what

[tired dawn]

as long as you don't use it in the game

[warped wind]

No, I mean take the context of brutal doom, where you need random pieces of gore.

[vast reef]

no i mean, a direct png

[warped wind]

Where the game runs on 2d sprites

[vast reef]

a direct png of a corpse as a doom enemy would suck shit

[warped wind]

It will be scaled down a lot

To achieve pixely goodness

[vast reef]

and also edited to fit with the game's art style

at that point, i don't care because you basically just used me as a base

[warped wind]

oPFFF
That's just a shitty joke wad

[vast reef]

exactly

i wouldn't want to be used in a shitty jokewad

[warped wind]

brutal doom is obsessed over though
Still very well made

Even if the game is serious

[vast reef]

isn't brutal doom a mess

codewise

[warped wind]

Not too sure about that but the game is well made overall

[vast reef]

the assault rifle and smg have delays and inconsistencies when firing and aiming down sights

[warped wind]

Haven't heard of the code being bad

Sgt mark once made it so that one of his mappacks (I think Extermination day) would spawn in a lot of explosions if you run project brutality with it

[vast reef]

project brutality runs even worse

[warped wind]

Pretty malicious

[vast reef]

god project brutality has no right to run that shittily

[warped wind]

Yeah, there's a lot of stuff being added

[vast reef]

complex doom has more, runs way better

[warped wind]

That is the main reason why I still do not know what to prefer, PB or BD

[vast reef]

go play brutal doom platinum

[warped wind]

there are not many megawads for conversion mods like bd or PB. And I'm not really planning on playing the same wad with the vanilla experience or modded.

I like beautiful doom along with plastic shaders. It looks pretty good.

It's like the definitive version of doom for me

It's not too hard on your system either

[vast reef]

just go play high noon drifter or codename demolitionist or something

most megawads will work fine even if they aren't made for a specific conversion mod tbh

[warped wind]

I just checked out demonsteele

On doomworld

[vast reef]

things only tend to break when you have drastically different movement in your mod, or monsters designed to be used differently from their vanilla counterparts

[warped wind]

What I fear is that maybe the wad does not really intend for you to climb ledges like you do in project brutality or embers of armegeddon

[vast reef]

then don't climb the ledges

that's it, just be responsible and don't break the mods' intended sequence

you can break sequence and cheat in doom 1 and 2 using the zdoom jump

[warped wind]

I played maps of chaos with project brutality. Big mistake.
As soon as I shot and alerted every demon in a 1 mile radius the fps dropped like my smile when I saw that my vacations are going to be over soon

[warped wind]

I can manage that, but these gameplay mods also ruin pacing a lot
It's a lot harder to find secrets with brutal doom if you're playing the wad for the first time, because you're a lot more engaged in fights

[vast reef]

me when i play a shittily coded mod on an already not-so-performant engine:

btw play with vulkan or opengl es instead of opengl

[warped wind]

Wait no, that's me when i play a shittily coded mod on an already not-so-performant engine

[vast reef]

try lowering your resolution too

it'll only help with processing tons of graphics at once, i don't think it'll help with alerting every monster in a 1 mile radius because that's calculated by your CPU

[vast reef]

brutal doom never really made me much more engaged in fights

if anything, it made me camp and door fight more

[warped wind]

I like killing things creatively

[vast reef]

how exactly do you kill things creatively in brutal doom

quickswapping or something?

[vocal summit]

you can say the same thing about vanilla doom tbh

[vast reef]

yea

"killing things creatively" is basically just approaching the fight differently and killing things in a different order

[warped wind]

Punch this guy in the face, kick another guy, finish off the first guy clutching his hurt face, grab the axe and waching, wua-tching, grab my pistol and headshot that other guy
Then grab berserk and grab this guy, use him as meatshield, shoot more people with my pistola, throw the meatshield into the shotgunguy

Glory kill the imp

[vocal summit]

but for bd you can jumpkick and shit, so maybe jumpkick a guy's head and shotgun him? idk

[vast reef]

ah

[warped wind]

Quickswapping is a little boring ngl
I'm talking about killing people in style, not dealing as much damage in as little time as possible

[warped wind]

No no, jumpkick his shotgun and shit a guy's head at him

[warped wind]

I'm not just going to use one weapon, liek the minigun and camp at a door

[vast reef]

i play for efficiency rather than style if not given an incentive

[warped wind]

Brutal doom feels a lot more alive compared to doom 3's combat, where everyone are bullet sponges. Nothing much you can do with doom 3.

[vast reef]

but camping/doorfighting is so boring that even if i know i die i still jump into the fight directly

headshots kinda kill everything in brutal doom though

[warped wind]

Yeah but that's to go through a level and progress, I like to have fun and see what I can do to make it interesting

[warped wind]

Yeah

[vast reef]

would rather do that with a different mod

[warped wind]

that is ruined in PB. 5 headshots or smth with pistol to kill a dude

[vast reef]

lmao what

[warped wind]

Yeah. The pistol is really weak.

PB is a clusterfuck, really.

Brutal doom had one extra weapon, the railgun.

[vast reef]

not even as fun as actual clusterfuck

then again with bad luck clusterfuck's doorfighting is even worse

[warped wind]

The axe was another addition, but I'll always prefer the axe over the chainsaw. It feels so much more powerful.

[vast reef]

tbh that applies to vanilla complex doom and lca as well

[warped wind]

Clusterfuck is designed to be chaotic and thus funni

Doom 3's combat goes stale quickly.

[vast reef]

getting the most shit RNG in clusterfuck is funny tbh

[warped wind]

Continue talking about doom 3's combat pls

I keep seeing Allstin everywhere

What is he most known for?

[dapper flint]

Being a good dude. He's a close friend of mine. Just a really nice honest doom player

[warped wind]

How long does it take to be popular by simply being a good dude?

I see he has a youtube channel

[dapper flint]

Probably alot easier than being a asshole which I am

[warped wind]

How are you an asshole? (5 mrks)

[dapper flint]

If someone says something stupid I'll roast them. Allstin talks to them nicely if they're wrong as an example

[warped wind]

It's a 5 marks question, you have to write a huge paragraph.

[dapper flint]

Like you joined this server today but ya. I'm not nice

[warped wind]

It's pretty cool to keep everything nice and friendly, actually

[dapper flint]

Ya man

That's facts

Anyways allstin is more of a nu doom channel. Posts things on new doom things. News updates ect

[warped wind]

I've seen people have a bad day
I've been in a position where I also get a little mad when people make mistakes
I either keep quiet or calmly advise

Having a losing streak in a game is not fun.

[dapper flint]

I'd you join his server you'd see he legit talks to all his fans just an average good dude

[warped wind]

Aha! doom news channel
I knew it

[dapper flint]

Really helped me with my anger problems when it comes to gaming

Just a solid dude

[warped wind]

Nvm I'll not ask too many questions

[ornate vortex]

If I get angry or feel annoyed, that’s my cue to close the game and go outside for an hour or two

[warped wind]

A break actually helps, yeah

But I get impatient sometimes

[dapper flint]

Absolutely. Breaks are the best! Plus you play like shit once you're upset

[ornate vortex]

i’ve seen a lot of people say to others that in order to get good you need to play doom more

[warped wind]

What do you guys think about midnight? The very popular doom channel that seems like it has average content?

[ornate vortex]

But eventually there comes a point when that’s just not true

[warped wind]

I watch him sometimes, but seeing the clickbaity thumbnails puts me off

[ornate vortex]

Midnight is clickbait and dramatic for my taste, end of answer

[warped wind]

Now it's ultrakill

[warped wind]

He keeps repeating the popular opinions, something I don't like

His views don't have anything different

[ornate vortex]

It’s like with every skill, playing more is going to strain you in the long run and burn you out quicker

[warped wind]

When he was reviewing a doom mod that makes all doom sprites 3d, I mean quake style 3d, he went on about how 3d doom isn't doom

[warped wind]

It's the gameplay that makes doom doom.

[ornate vortex]

I find by playing doom like 2 hours every other day, i improve drastically

[warped wind]

But if he had spoken about the artstyle, it would have made more sense

[warped wind]

Improve as in improve you aim?

[dapper flint]

He's ass

[willow cloak]

as a newer doom player, i found midnight the other day and watched some videos. He seemed alright but it seems he’s just filling a hole somebody else could do better

[warped wind]

I need more reliable doom channels

[ornate vortex]

I’d agree with this completely

[warped wind]

As a person who watches videos on youtube, I also agree

[ornate vortex]

at the end of the day, it gets more clicks and views if it’s more dramatic

[warped wind]

He's going for the views, it's clear.

[willow cloak]

i’m completely new to classic, played a little eternal around when cyberpunk came out (cause i refunded cyberpunk for eternal) and i actually play mighty doom a lot lol

[ornate vortex]

But he’s also learning from what I can see

[willow cloak]

i downloaded GZDoom like a week ago and have played a good bit but still haven’t beat 1 or 2

[warped wind]

Learning about how to get more views? lol

[warped wind]

I thought the classic doom games in the app store were already a proper doom mobile game

The game is 1st person, but it is simple and thus nails keeping the game engaging while also not being too boring.

I'll be heading out now

[willow cloak]

ngl i probably couldn’t beat a few maps in original doom

i didn’t realize you couldn’t jump in og doom so i thought jumping was the solution

[vast reef]

you can jump in gzdoom but that's cheating

[cloud gazelle]

Doomsday? Or which one?

[vast reef]

doomsday isn't quake style

[cloud gazelle]

Then which one?

[vast reef]

idk i don't watch midnight

the one i know of was the one i got from the first page of google, lemme look it up

https://www.moddb.com/mods/doom3d

[atomic dust]

just wondering, why most people say Ultimate Doom has better level design compared to Doom II?

[tulip cairn]

idk

[ionic sluice]

Oh my god you are playing a mod the point is to literally make doom less doom by modifying it

[finite crag]

guys, i finished sunlust map14, and some people say that MAP15 is a difficulty spike. Is this true? Should i prepare myself?

[ornate vortex]

It definitely is a spike, the fights are much harder

[warped wind]

the video is called 3D - the most cursed doom mod ever made

[warped wind]

Exactly my point.

[warped wind]

People once wanted 3d doom, they got 3d doom. If id software had to make doom in 3d, instead of doom 64, they'd probably make a game like this, and because everyone would have appreciated the looks in the late nineties, Midnight would call it a great game instead.

[finite crag]

i got all the secrets and kills, didn't get to the secret exit yet, but honestly, it wasn't that bad

no i didn't get all the kills sorry

got to the secret exit

map15 wasn't that bad

i got 100% from everything either

[zenith berry]

Some TCs may require you to enable freelook and even jump, so it actually depends.

[maiden pawn]

Hey is anyone able to help me download gzdoom? I’ve tried to download it like three times now but it keeps saying that the virus scan failed

[opal chasm]

I've been playing doom on dosgames, playing the original in dos is really fun and interesting, especially with learning how keyboard controls have changed so much (and what it's like to play a game without the use of a mouse)

[finite crag]

i finished sunlust map31

very unique map, but it's not my favourite

i know that map32 is very nasty, so i'll play it later

i'll play it now actually

finished map32

there are 60 archviles or something

that revenant fight in a small room is total bullshit

those 2 cyberdemons in a small room are also hilarious

and then i needed to fight 60 archviles with a bfg and i died around 15 times trying to kill those motherfucking bastards while i see nothing because of their fucking annoying fire

and the music is from TNT... come on, sunlust is better than that

this map is probably the first map in sunlust i hate

atleast it's short

[pallid lake]

Can you get brutal doom if you got it on game pass for pc

[dapper flint]

All you need is the wad file. Doesn't matter the source

[pallid lake]

Ok thank you

[zenith berry]

The process to get the WAD file from the Game Pass/UWP version is kinda tricky.

[narrow panther]

Where might the best place to download classic doom, both 1 and 2?

[willow cloak]

GZDoom

[dense plinth]

Steam

[willow cloak]

xbox game pass

[dense plinth]

Because it does

Doom 1 as a whole had better level design overall than Doom 2

Doom 2 had some really good levels, but a lot of them are honestly kinda mid

Which was more of a symptom of Sandy Peterson making like 80% of Doom 2's levels himself

In the timespan of like 10 months

[narrow panther]

guh

[dense plinth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642304323560407044/1105407131009679382/image.png

[narrow panther]

I just got a zip folder full of files. gzdoom (Application) should be the first one I open, I assume.

[dense plinth]

These are all the levels Sandy Peterson made for Doom 2

[finite crag]

Use the superior sourceport dosdoom

[dense plinth]

Unity's better for first time players imo

Don't have to set anything up, just download from Steam and play

[ionic sluice]

Screw sourceports, buy a DOS and play doom
Or better yet, close your eyes and imagine playing doom

[finite crag]

Dosdoom better

Also how do you buy a dos

[dense plinth]

Ebay

[silent remnant]

DOSBox is much better than it gets credit for

[finite crag]

A dos

Not a dos computer?

[finite crag]

No.

[dense plinth]

Wdym by a dos

[finite crag]

Actually steam doom doesn't have the setup file I think

[silent remnant]

Yes.

[finite crag]

Have fun trying to use dosbox lol

You have to find it and download it to set it up

[dense plinth]

Steam version auto installs the dosbox version

[silent remnant]

I use it just fine. If you can't use it, it's a skill issue.

[narrow panther]

okay I'm an idiot, I think

[finite crag]

Steam dosbox is horrible
You should use your own dosbox copy for it

[narrow panther]

I have GZdoom, but i'm like a caveman when it comes to this file stuff.

[azure nimbus]

Using Dos has some novelty to it(or realistically an emulator), but it's much easier to set up a port in 5 min like DSDA

[dense plinth]

There's a difference?

[finite crag]

Yes

Steam dosbox is setup badly
Quick fix

[azure nimbus]

It's as easy as extracting a zip file and runs better and more faithfully than steam's version

[silent remnant]

just copy the newest version over to your doom folder

[finite crag]

Doesn't even have the setup file it needs to change stuff like keybinds so
Annoying

[dense plinth]

It should just be unzip and launch

[finite crag]

Huh?

[narrow panther]

if I could post images, I'd show you what's happening. I've got application, and it's missing files. In fact it gave me three zipped folders.

[finite crag]

Unity port is also kinda bad enjoy your five saveslots

[dense plinth]

Do you really need any more than that?

[finite crag]

Well if you'd like to play add-ons
Yeah

[silent remnant]

Doom on Steam has a Dosbox folder. Get Dosbox's newest version from their website (I think it's 0.7.3) and copy it over to that folder.

[narrow panther]

this is my issue, apparently.

    
GZDoom version 4.10.0

Execution could not continue.

Cannot find a game IWAD (doom.wad, doom2.wad, heretic.wad, etc.).
Did you install GZDoom properly? You can do either of the following:

1. Place one or more of these wads in the same directory as GZDoom.
2. Edit your gzdoom-username.ini and add the directories of your iwads
to the list beneath [IWADSearch.Directories]```

[dense plinth]

You need to specify where the .WAD files for the doom games are

[finite crag]

Yes
But like
Idk
Maybe you can edit it manually on steam or something idk

[narrow panther]

so i need to download the .WAD files for doom itself elsewhere?

[dense plinth]

Buy them from Steam

[narrow panther]

oh, me when

okay, I'll get back to you in like, july

[silent remnant]

if you do what I said it will launch from steam just fine.

[narrow panther]

my broke ass gotta do some chores and I'm in colorado for all of june so I'm not earning ANYTHING

[silent remnant]

it's like $5

[dense plinth]

Rip

They are very cheap tho

[narrow panther]

steam wallet got 0.34 dollars

i can buy so many pebbles

[silent remnant]

do you not have $5?

[finite crag]

Ok but
Idk
Does dosbox even have support for gravis lol
Don't use it

[narrow panther]

as a jobless child in high school, no.

i spent the last in my steam wallet on doom 2016

[silent remnant]

I feel like you're intentionally being an ass, so I'm going to pretend you don't exist now

[dense plinth]

There's always Freedoom

[finite crag]

What?
Genuine question

I like the sound of the gravis

[silent remnant]

Freedoom is awesome

[dense plinth]

Indeed and it's free

[silent remnant]

A buddy of mine is working on porting it to the N64 for shits and giggles

[dense plinth]

And compatible with like, majority of doom content

Alright now I have a question, anyone know how to play Catacomb 3d?

[silent remnant]

you can get the Catacomb pack from GOG which has all of them, and they run on DOSBox. I think there's a source port for the 3D ones but I don't know how good it is

[dense plinth]

Aight, ty

[finite crag]

ah so dosbox can support gravis and other soundcards

seems annoying to do so for lots soooo soundblaster it is

i don't mind opl so fine for me ig

[hexed escarp]

If you install virtualmidisynth you can make it use that instead

What is your guys favorite doom wad soundtrack. Not which wad has your favorite song, but which wad has the soundtrack that overall you like the best between all of the songs in it.

[finite crag]

in terms of official
tnt evilution

[hexed escarp]

I meant unofficial

[finite crag]

damn

[hexed escarp]

But ye tnt music is good

My favorite is eviternity

[hollow wolf]

[fleet anvil]

GREEN KEYCARD REAL !!!!!

[vast reef]

they're talking about original doom

"ngl i probably couldn't beat a few maps in original doom"

[finite crag]

put the IWADs into the Gzdoom folder

[finite crag]

scythe 2, sunlust, and probably TNT

[narrow condor]

Plutonia MIDI Pack

[hexed escarp]

Do maps that use otex tend to just have the entire texture pack included, or do they include just the parts that they use

[finite crag]

[zenith berry]

Does anyone here have an extract of the clean large DOOM logo as used in the titlepic of the Saturn version?

[ruby crater]

Mock 2 has unironically some bangers. Hell Revealed 2 has MY favorite soundtrack of any doom wad. STRAIN has a phenomenal soundtrack for a DOS wad from the 90s that even Skillsaw used in Ancient Aliens for one map. And then as like one more maybe underrated soundtrack for a doom wad would also be Whispers of Satan, because Paul Corfiatis(?) worked on the majority of that soundtrack.

But by far, the best intermission music imo is Scythe X’s intermission. Sounds like an epic buildup every single time that I wish got used in a real map.

[finite crag]

I wonder what sunlust map29 is called

[zenith berry]

Have Fun Yourself

[fleet anvil]

i cant beat the black tower

yes

i just dunno where to go

[finite crag]

Noclip

[fleet anvil]

ps4 dont have noclip

why did this map give me 100 rockets and not rocket launcher?????

I MISSED THE ROCKET LAUNCHER

[royal heron]

I haven't played much so I haven't heard many soundtracks, but probably either Heartland or Sunlust

Sigil is a close second

James' midis slap hard

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[finite crag]

going to Surface

[narrow condor]

I wholeheartedly agree about the intermission tune.

Haven't heard a more fitting tune for this purpose.

[finite crag]

someone made classic doom into roblox

apparently it happened a while ago

and the dev even did an eternal demo

its called room.

[vast reef]

that's more like brutal doom in roblox tbh

[ionic sluice]

that is very old
like old enough that that it's discontinued now
old enough that that's how I got into doom

[finite crag]

ik

[zenith berry]

Room got a sequel named “Room 2”, which is now Hellreaver.

The sequel plays quite like Eternal.

[digital haven]

Helloooo I've been enjoying some Doom lately. I want to play Total Chaos, but I have a question. Is the Director's Cut standalone or is it to be loaded with the original game? I'm thinking of this in terms of Half-Life's 'Afraid of Monsters' where that game's DC was standalone.

[lament blaze]

anyone wanna try getting doom to run on a microwave?

[radiant yoke]

we need a screen for it

[atomic dust]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rLvSD5HuIcE&pp=ygURRG9vbSBzaWduIG9mIGV2aWw%3D

this track sounds very sad

[warped wind]

There's only multiplayer though, so I'd say it plays like doom 2016's multiplayer.
I used to play a lot of the game, until a shitty update came where there was a teams mode. Basically it makes it even harder to find enemies and actually fight. Everything seems a lot less frantic, you could stay afk for 30 seconds and survive easily. The game has a small playerbase, and it doesn't help that the developer now develops VR games.

[atomic dust]

it feels out of place in this game honestly

[warped wind]

He posts updates to his VR games on his youtube channel. What I see is pretty cool, actually

After a little digging I found that the VR game is also in roblox. It's called Ares VR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOkIKKCoLxE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQd2PZOlyAs
Woaaaaah, he's still working on room 1 and hellreaver, but only Hellreaver's updates are actually being implemented.
Room 1 is still the same.
This is Hellreaver btw. He's improved the player model from what I see.

[atomic dust]

I swear I saw a video of Arch-Viles resurrecting other Arch-Viles

[remote cedar]

There's probably a mod that does that

Which is all kinds of fucked up if you ask me

[zenith berry]

||How do I get to the hospital in MyHouse.wad? I died and pressed the use button but it loaded the last save instead. Haven't died before.||

[ornate vortex]

what’s crazy is that he uses the roblox engine

[warped wind]

I think you just wait for a good amount of time.

You'll hear beeps when everything blacks out, but you'll eventually wake up.

[warped wind]

I'm over it now lol

He's also run DOS on roblox

[ornate vortex]

That is pretty neat considering roblox hasn’t got the greatest engine going

I can also say I dislike roblox but I am also fascinated at what that guy can do with the engine

[warped wind]

It has got a pretty good engine for a mainly kids game, actually.
It was not utilized to the max all that much by many games.

Somewhere around 2019-2020, high quality looking games could be seen everywhere

Basically if there was a popular game that does not have much effort, other people would try and make similar games to have their share of that popularity. When good looking games actually made it to the front page, it formed a new standard for roblox games. Now we have complex shadows forced at graphics level 5 itself.

Roblox is shit. A shit company that is looking to make as much robu-money as possible.
But there are pretty good games in there too. There are a lot of call of duty zombies clones that managed to get to trending. They all aren't too different from one another, but they basically remake different call of duty zombies games instead of just one. Some are clones of World at War, others Black ops 3, 4 etc (these are really easy, big bad). World at War and Black ops 2 is good.

[junior karma]

that sounds awfully generic, not sure how you classify that as "pretty good"

[floral basin]

That's one of my favorite tracks honestly. It just captures a weird feeling of hopelessness that's very rare in doom. It fits the ending of e1, and the first encounter with actual strong demons (barons of hell). Also there had to be a "bad ending" in the shareware so people have incentive to buy the game I guess.

This is my fav version of it: https://youtu.be/bYVX6b9svuE

[atomic dust]

man the Classic Doom ost is just iconic

most, if not all the tracks are stuck in my mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlWDSvNSzlA

the partial invisibility is one of the few power-ups in any fps games I ever played that actually makes it more difficult when you pick it up

as its name implies, it makes it harder for enemies to see you, which sounds great, right?

no, enemies often fire at random directions, which means a high chance of running right into a projectile

[floral basin]

good against hitscan

[edgy frigate]

something weird I find about Steam's ver of Doom 2 is that The Plutonia Experiment and the TNT: Evolution are avable but only as DOS version, but not in the Doom 2 ver
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051217998771408967/1112697314356772915/Screenshot_2023_05_29-1.png

[zenith berry]

It’s because TNT and Plutonia are available as addons on the re-release, you’ll have to download them though from the list.

[edgy frigate]

well, I can still play both, but as DOS versions

[junior karma]

I was going to post a walkthrough for that map but not sure if it's worth

that's the one map I skipped lol, not worth my time

maybe I'll get it another time

ya I know, 30 archviles or smth

[azure nimbus]

it's 36 on uv and 18 on hmp

I checked doomwiki as well as the editor. Careful about trying to correct people about a number of things that you think you saw but didn't count

[vast reef]

go count it ig

[atomic dust]

I feel like the first quarter of Doom II (before the city levels) is considered the best part of the game

those are the levels that I usually find myself enjoying the most

levels like Dead Simple, Underhalls, The Gantlet etc

honestly, I don't find the city parts of Doom II as bad as people make them out to be, I quite enjoyed Suburbs and Inmost Dens

Downtown though is just 💀

[azure nimbus]

I checked doomwiki and ultimate doombuilder.

[azure nimbus]

I have a suspicion that when people don't like "the city levels", they mean downtown. Suburbs and inmost dens are pretty popular. Tenements isn't hated either. The Citadel, The Factory, and Downtown are less popular though

[vast reef]

yeah, talking to benedekvokcs

[wicked loom]

What are the best modern doom wads/mods? Taking nostalgia out of things, of course. The caco awards don’t seem to show as much as I’d expect.

[vast reef]

not a good wad critic but in terms of mods, i've been enjoying project malice for a while now, it's a monster randomizer that keeps things balanced

also had fun with dusted's pandemonia

go to icaruslives' channel if you want to find mods

[wicked loom]

Hideous destructor seems interesting, but hard to learn.

[vast reef]

wads i played recently and had fun with were slaughtermax and micro slaughter community project

[vast reef]

certainly

if you like HD, check out ALALN, heard it's similar but easier :)

i haven't played much hideous destructor but it's definitely a mod i would invest time into

[wicked loom]

Are there any projects that attempt to merge all the classic wads together, if possible? Or to otherwise emulate other “boomer shooters”?
I’ll check ALALN out.

[wicked loom]

There is Blades of Agony, I guess.

[vast reef]

painslayer

zmovement emulates movement for dusk, quake, unreal tournament, build engine and painkiller, so look into that i suppose

[wicked loom]

Hmm.

[vast reef]

bloom (blood x doom TC)

nobody told me about id (doom in the style of the build engine games)

[wicked loom]

Bloom is one I forgot about!

Some other ones I wanted to list here are: Harmony, Doom: the exhibition, and Slime on Earth.

[vast reef]

death foretold, zion, d4d, d4v, and embers of armageddon all emulate d2016

[wicked loom]

Which one does it best or emulates the play style best in your opinion?

[vast reef]

embers of armageddon eternal, the upcoming mod kar en tuk, and doom unbroken try to emulate deternal

[vast reef]

i've only played death foretold, d4v, and embers of armageddon, and i'm pretty sure embers of armageddon is the closest to doom 2016

i mainly play death foretold though

[warped wind]

zion looks kinda ugly imo

[glass topaz]

https://youtube.com/shorts/UgHSicHT4UE?feature=share7

[ornate vortex]

i just got a sub 2:30 on tlm map 6 after grinding for like an hour

[glass topaz]

nice

[ruby crater]

My man hallucinated 18 archviles as 60

But for real, Tangerine Nightmare’s bonus map has 4 archies at the end that come out after you killed like 100 revenants in this tight corridor so it becomes almost impossible to kill the archviles in time before revenants are spilling back out

You think you’re done with the level only to be greeted by that kinda pingas move. You think there’s only 4 enemies left..nah. It’s a whole nother enounter with 4 archies and 100+ revenants. Only way to beat it reliably is to let the revenants run around and die in different spots away from the archviles

Or just sprint past the archviles to reach the exit...but only woosies do that

[finite crag]

Running past enemies is a good strategy
I do it in TNT since level design doesn't exist in it and why waste rockets

[ruby crater]

Good advice for handling TNT..or better yet, never boot it up 😂

At least this means you CAN do UV on some maps

[finite crag]

True

TNT is for players who have never played doom

But the music is best of classic doom I'll give it that

New tracks are good and uses the good doom 2 tracks

[ruby crater]

There are plenty of long plutonia levels in the megawad. It would be inaccurate to say that plutonia is short and angry, but it is a lot more challenging

[finite crag]

Plutonia is just more fun

[ruby crater]

Yeah TNT has good tunes to it

[finite crag]

Sadistic

Uhhhh
The doom 2 songs
Uhh
Yeah

[ruby crater]

the healer stalks intensifies

Oh yea new Dean of Doom!

[ruby crater]

Favabeans moment

[tame laurel]

Remember kids, I’m Horton, and this magical metal tube of chemicals that aren’t regulated by the fda, are good for you, and XTREME!!

[ruby crater]

me trying to explain to people you can play chillax.wad singleplayer

[finite crag]

What's the easiest method for launch parameters

[hexed escarp]

why are the names of the majority of popular megawads all single words or compound words?

[halcyon willow]

easy to remember, distinctive etc

although there are plenty that don't follow that trope

speed of doom, memento mori, desu vult, swim with the whales, ancient aliens etc and so forth

[ruby crater]

Back to Saturn X, Going Down, Magenta Spire, Tangerine Nightmare, Swift Death, Whispers of Satan, Sign of Torment, etc..

[vast reef]

yes

[pure lotus]

doom 2 is game?

[vast reef]

doom 2 is game!

[pure lotus]

thanks for clarification

[vast reef]

welcome

[pure lotus]

I don't know what to do on level 11

[halcyon willow]

the most game ever

[vast reef]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/MAP11:_Circle_of_Death_(Doom_II)

[pure lotus]

thank you for this

[analog ridge]

Oh so thats what the Snapmap module is named after

[pure lotus]

yes

[azure nimbus]

The circle of demise

[dense plinth]

Someone should make a really good wad, but name it something like Joe

[dapper flint]

Joe mama

[finite crag]

why am i so bad at doom
i'm finding tnt hard on hmp 😭
then again i just played map09 soooooo

[dense plinth]

map09 is just hitscanners

in cramped spaces

it's one of the harder levels in the wad because of that

[finite crag]

i know

but i have issues with other maps

i just suck at doom

still find it fun
well
not evilution

but in general

[hexed escarp]

You can enjoy something without being good at it

There is nothing wrong with being bad at a game

[finite crag]

i am advocate for "uv isn't only difficulty" lol
because i suck partially but

in general i don't like difficulty gatekeeping

[hexed escarp]

Also you aren’t necessarily bad at a game just bc you can’t play stuff on uv

[hexed escarp]

Yeah

[finite crag]

i usually play hmp because i find it like
fun enough
slaughter maps aren't my thing

[hexed escarp]

But I think most people here would agree that you can play whatever difficulty you want

[finite crag]

uv has lots of enemies which to me is less challenging and more like
tedious

i like hmp

[hexed escarp]

It’s only a loud minority that actually think this

[finite crag]

like i can do lots of stuff on uv

[hexed escarp]

I mean think that uv is the only difficulty

[finite crag]

i choose not to because why would i when i enjoy hmp

[finite crag]

gmanlives

[hexed escarp]

Just bc someone themself plays on uv doesn’t mean they look down on people who dont

[finite crag]

i feel bad sometimes for some reason
because i am not playing uv and the achievement isn't as "valid"

i gotta stop thinking like that

[halcyon willow]

play the way you find the most fun c:

[ionic sluice]

I only choose uv when hmp versions of the levels are way too easy
I personally could care less about accomplishing things I just wanna kill demons

[warped wind]

hello
I am wented to sleep and now I am come back.

[dense plinth]

I mean I don't think it's bad to play the easier difficulties

but I do think UV is generally the kinda "real" version in a sense

if the difficulties didn't mess with enemy count then I wouldn't see it that way

but because they do, I generally consider the difficulty with all enemy placements active to be the proper version of the level

[finite crag]

The real difficulty in doom is having stable fps in gzdoom

[silent remnant]

the way you solve that is to not use gzdoom

[dense plinth]

for some reason I've hardly ever had fps problems in GZDoom

myhouse got a bit laggy as I went along but never unplayable

[ornate vortex]

the people that would go as far as to bully another person just for playing on lower difficulties are completely brainless.

Id software purposefully put in multiple difficulties because at the time, UV was seen as the hard difficulty

but now that doom has been out for nearly 30 years, people’s standards have gone up. The majority are extreme when it comes to playing difficult wads

Just don’t doubt yourself and compare yourself to other players, it puts unnecessary pressure on yourself

[fleet anvil]

fr

[junior karma]

has anyone ever measured the real-world land size of all the Doom 1 & 2 levels to see how it compares to say a familiar city or country?

[vast reef]

how exactly do we get a frame of reference for measurement? doomguy's height?

[junior karma]

yeah that would be the most sensible I think

[ornate vortex]

Episode 1 of The Lost Magic is done now. I may or may not try and uv-max it by episode (depends on how I feel about doing that).
But it now means I can solely focus on completing Rush map 12 (since i'm on like 80 attempts and have died like 3 times to the final fight)

I'm gonna try and get it out for 3rd June, since that day marks my 1 year anniversary for the D0M0 channel

It's basically already been a year 💀

[tacit egret]

Just popping in here to say I really love myhouse.wad that shit is my jam I love myself something Eldridge?

[vast reef]

average myhouse.wad fan vs average wow.wad enjoyer

[ornate vortex]

myhouse really has exploded huh?

[vast reef]

yeah

there's this strange annoyance i have with its popularity tbh, maybe because it's a zdoom wad and i'd rather have a boom wad blow up

[ornate vortex]

I thought it was maybe the elements of horror that made it blow up and how twisted the wad tries to be

[vast reef]

liminal spaces r the new trend

backrooms and all that

[ornate vortex]

along the lines of that I suppose

[vast reef]

it's all because of the youtube video, people love really long videos talking about obscure creepy media

well, myhouse was obscure

[ornate vortex]

I think it was the fact jacksepticeye played through it

that made it explode even more

[vast reef]

he played through it after the og video hit like 4M views

but yeah that made it blow up even more

[royal heron]

Not to mention moistcritikal

Not sure if he'll make a vid on it tho

He does have a stream of him playing it

If charlie makes a review of it, that's when things get even more mainstream than before

[atomic dust]

probably my favourite Thy Flesh Consumed level

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddAZHO87A7Q

I just find it to be really fun

[hexed escarp]

Although I feel like this depends on the map set, ig this is probably true for most community wads, but for the original doom 1. HMP seems like the proper difficulty bc on ultra violence, the difficulty curve is all skewed because you meet shotgunners first and you get the shotgun early

Why would they have a shotgun in a secret in that map if you are just supposed to get one from a shotgunner at the start

[atomic dust]

I obviously first played Classic Doom on hmp but since then I play them on uv

it's the perfect mix of challenge and fun imo

[hexed escarp]

Also the specters added in e1m8 feel like they were added in after to make it more difficult

[atomic dust]

I actually first played No Rest For The Living on uv

and it was great

[hexed escarp]

I’m just saying, with doom 1 it seems like they made hmp first and then added extra monsters on uv to make it harder

[dense plinth]

depends which came first, enemy or secret placement

cause on HMP there aren't any shotgunners in the level iirc

[atomic dust]

yep, they only appear on uv

[dense plinth]

so the shotgun in the secret could also make up for the lack of shotguns in the level on lower difficulties

[atomic dust]

honestly though I actually can't remember much enemy additions on uv besides Shotgunners in E1M1 and Spectres in the boss fight of E1M8

[dense plinth]

pinkie and spectre at the start of E1M3

amount of riflemen at the start of E1M2

Shotgunners where you find the chaingun in E1M2

[atomic dust]

oh yeah, the Hell Knights in Crusher are replaced with a Spiderdemon on uv

[dense plinth]

in Doom 2 yeah

the imp at the start of E1M2 is also only there on UV

[atomic dust]

I feel like pretty much every extra coop enemy in Doom II is a boss enemy lol

[dense plinth]

the spectres in the E1M8 Baron bossfight

only on UV

the pinkies at the end as well

[marble anchor]

po

[remote cedar]

You guys think there's a VR mod for Doom

[vast reef]

there is

icaruslives played it

[hexed escarp]

Gz3doom

It's a source port that is a modified version of gzdoom with vr functionality

Compatible with any steamvr compatible headset

[remote cedar]

Yo sick thanks for the rec

[dense plinth]

how come doom 1 and 2 are the only Doom's to give you a beretta as the pistol

we should get a beretta in the next game

[junior karma]

the pistol is probably the worst designed weapon in doom, since it ceases to be useful the moment you get a chaingun

[dense plinth]

it's always served its purpose

that being a starter weapon

I don't really see anything wrong with a starter weapon you move on from

[remote cedar]

How about infinite ammo for the pistol

Nah nevermind.

[vast reef]

...does it have to be useful?

was just meant to be a starter weapon, you can mow down the zombiemen in the first few levels with it fairly easily

[junior karma]

well it occupies a weapon slot regardless, and could have had a bit more utility

[radiant yoke]

thats alraedy for doom 2016 💀

[vast reef]

that's fair

[radiant yoke]

i only use the pistol just for fodder demons

[vast reef]

you can use it for... activating far-away hitscan switches

[remote cedar]

I don't use the pistol

[vast reef]

since a chaingun uses 2 ammo per shot while the pistol uses 1

okay but what can you guys think of for the pistol anyway

[remote cedar]

Once I get a shotgun it's over the pistol will be pretty much nonexistent in the remainder of the run

[vast reef]

accuracy buff like in eviternity?

[remote cedar]

Pistol should be 100% accurate

[junior karma]

I think if the chain gun had spread even with the first shot, pistol could then take its place for sniping

yep and accuracy improvement

[radiant yoke]

a pistol cant kill anyone expect fodder

well it can but

[vast reef]

i mean, you can treat the chaingun like a semi-auto and get perfect accuracy anyway 🤷

[junior karma]

it's just slower, rate of fire could be a bit more

[junior karma]

not if the first shot is imprecise

[ornate vortex]

and speed buff too

eviternity’s pistol was great, but ray mowhawk 2’s weapon roster was just

[vast reef]

wait, really?

actually wait yeah

does the chance of that happening make the pistol viable though

you'd use it in super ammo-starved situations where you don't want any bullets wasted, which just ends up being what it already does

[atomic dust]

one of the most amazing weapon firing sounds ever

[junior karma]

if chain gun is too imprecise for sniping it would replace it in those situations, especially if it is a bit faster than it currently is

[atomic dust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2JsK8quKC8

since Doom II has the super shotgun, how much less do you guys use the normal shotgun in that game compared to Ultimate Doom?

[vast reef]

depends on what i'm up against

ssg for big hordes, obviously, and big enemies too, but if i'm dealing with some hitscanners (or imps) that aren't grouped up well enough for me to use the ssg, normal shotgun it is

[copper cave]

Terry .wads trying not to kill off your five senses for 2 seconds:

[ornate vortex]

the shotgun was basically all I used in ultimate doom

but when it came to nightmare, the chaingun and plasma became my go to

[finite crag]

This

Sometimes I'm too lazy to switch lol
And for fun I use ssg only sometimes in TNT evilution to add challenge to it aside from room with hitscanners and nothing more

[distant timber]

Hey there 🙂
Been a long time looking for a specific wad and posted in the official thread but got no replies since almost 15 days.
Don't know if that would be the right channel but maybe one of you guys might have the answer.
Here's the link to my post with all details I can remember:
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2643462
Cheers!

[finite crag]

It's probably TNT noone has played it enough to know about it

[distant timber]

Pretty sure that was not :/

First level (if not the only one) is the one I'm looking for

[ornate vortex]

The first and last fight have been a struggle for me in rush map 12

i’m constantly having to practice them and I find it’s never consistent most of the time

[fleet anvil]

sad i cant get a plat trophy in doom 2

[ornate vortex]

It really is

the red key fight can go wrong really easily, and the north part of the map holds the hardest fights in the map

With the red key fight, a crap ton of revenants and imps spawn alongside you. My strat is that i rocket my way out of the hallway, deal with the viles that have spawned in and then bfg spam the right side (try and kill as many monsters there as possible). I don't usually deal with the left side since that mostly goes down to the sniper cyberdemon's rockets.

The survival chance for my strategy is **only **65%

as for the north side of the map, there's a horde of hell knights and revenants that swarm on both sides when you go into the bfg room. You have to be quick and hit 2 switches and then drop down into a pit where you try and rocket all the revs down (usually a few hell knights survive). I save 9 rockets to clear the imps at the top (which is where I can get back onto the platform and hit the other pair of switches. That will lower the BFG (which then makes the area a lot easier.

The "furnace" fight is also abysmal

I have gotten to the red key hallway 3 times out of all my attempts and have died every single time

Once you beat that red key fight, you've basically beaten the map, so you can imagine how upset I was each time

I tried looking at other strategies like Ancalagon's strat but he's ridiculously fast and I cannot mimic the skill he has

I'm just gonna have to be persistent, i'm nearly at 100 attempts and I am certain that I can beat this behemoth in under 30 minutes

Comatose was no different tbh

[ornate vortex]

If I can't beat rush map 12 then there's no way I can beat Scythe II

[frosty needle]

can anyone tell me how I should play multiplayer in doom 2

[ornate vortex]

100 attempts now

[hexed escarp]

Are Plutonia maps fun to Speedrun? They seem like they would be

[steel sonnet]

id use lan since steam remote play is abit annoying

[tepid tulip]

I have a question regarding like a doom 1 wad I wanted to try out

Solar Struggle, can you run it on GZDoom and you're fine?

I only ask bc I had watched a recent Dean of Doom episode, and I wanted to try Stickney Installation and Solar Struggle, I merely want to know Solar Struggle won't have issues with GZDoom right?

[dapper flint]

It shouldn't. Only wad you'll have issues with on gz is Heartland

[tepid tulip]

Ah okay so I'm good

[dapper flint]

Ya and be sure to run gz on vulkan /hardware accelerated

[tepid tulip]

Aight

Thanks

[dapper flint]

No worries

[mental thicket]

og doom is fire bro

best doom game tbh

[finite crag]

which one specifically
the first?

[halcyon willow]

i think so. short and aggressive so they're not a grind to get a run on but there's proper challenge

[ionic sluice]

Oh my god ultimate doom builder is so fun I might post my first wad soon (it’ll probably be shit but they’re so fun to make)

[outer torrent]

been messing with it since i bought doom eternal and got the wads out of there and yea its really fun to mess around

[ionic sluice]

Hell yeah

[flint sinew]

Making maps are fun, must admit.

I rather miss making games, to be frank.

[finite crag]

Making maps is relaxing I find
And kind of fun
I don't make good ones but I like doing it

[flint sinew]

Takes practice and experience to make well-designed maps.

[spice radish]

It’s pretty satisfying to make a playable map in general. Even nice if you make a small level set even if they aren’t top notch

[ornate vortex]

fuck rush map 12's first part

can never get past it

125 attempts in

[zenith berry]

||I wonder if one still can noclip out of bounds in the good ending's beach and teleport to the Backrooms, taking you back into action.||

||I feel it would be more risky though, as you're strapped of your weapons by the time you entered the beach.||

[glass topaz]

myhouse.pk3

[ornate vortex]

I can complete rush map 12 cutting out the north part of the map

I basically loaded a save file where I had cleared out all the monsters and secrets up in the north area and I proceeded to play on from there

I nailed the final fight and had some close calls but beat it with 32 minutes on the timer

So considering all the attempts i've done, the first part of the run is definitely the hardest part

it's the part that has the most high tier enemies and is outright scary to complete

[vast reef]

oku2v31.wad

[glass topaz]

ok...

[ornate vortex]

dmnsns.wad

[vital terrace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRuUjhAcVUU&t=1799s does anyone know the synthwave/cyberpunk style wad in the background at around 5:30 minutes in

it probably isnt even a mod

but another game, but i thought id ask

[junior karma]

@vital terrace I think it's Beyond Sunset, it's made in the doom engine and apparently a demo is on steam - https://store.steampowered.com/app/1665260/Beyond_Sunset/

Steam

Beyond Sunset

:>SUNSET CITY_CALIFORNIA_20XXYou awake from cryostasis with memories lost in the confusing fog of hypersleep. Immediately you begin to manifest powerful abilities. Lightning-fast reactions. Innate combat skills. Near-supernatural agility.Your talents are quickly recognized. A mysterious woman named Yuri offers you a deal. In exchange for gettin...

Release Date

Coming soon

▶ Play video

[vast reef]

ooh i remember this :o

can't wait for it to release

[vital terrace]

thanks!

[coral stream]

people with playstations, who can help me boost the multiplayer trophies of doom (1993), I need the beat the game on nightmare multiplayer trophy.

[fallen apex]

I 100%’ed my first doom 1 level today by complete accident

that felt nice

[opal night]

Jeeze

What level was it?

[steady folio]

Hey peeps whats the worst level in doom 2

[opal night]

Barrels o fun

Map23

Chasm gets honorable mention

Map24

[tepid tulip]

Nirvana and Barrels o Fun

I find Barrels o' Fun the worst of Doom 2 tho, fuck that level

I can tolerate Nirvana despite being a map that only a mother can love

[zenith berry]

More specifically, GZDoom.

[ruby crater]

Imagine hating barrels of fun when Bloodfalls and The Citadel exist

Everyone loves to hate on The Chasm just because it’s a “popular” opinion and they want to fit in, but the chasm isn’t even a bad level objectively speaking compared to almost every TNT level or even E4M9 “Fear”

[ornate vortex]

“The Shitadel” - some random guy from decino’s odamex stream

[ruby crater]

Point is, there are worse levels...hell, master levels exist

[ornate vortex]

I remember that stream like it was yesterday, I was in the servers up until sunlust

[ruby crater]

Do you need to pay for decino’s discord server?

[ornate vortex]

i didn’t even know he had one

[ruby crater]

Oh, I think he does? But you need to be a patron

I could be misleading you though. I never really inquired

[ornate vortex]

it’s fine

3 hours ago I very nearly did a saveless run of rush map 12 (practice again). I died at the yellow key fight and just rewinded

it was the only time I died in that practice run

which is annoying since that fight isn’t even hard

[ruby crater]

That’s the finale map, right? Loved playing rush

[ornate vortex]

yep, tryna uv-max it in under 30 mins

[ruby crater]

I love its castle theme and layout. Was a fun level to get lost in

[ornate vortex]

Was the north part of the map hard in your opinion?

[vivid shore]

has anyone noticed that the doom 3 demons look nothing like what they are in the other games, like look at the doom 3 cacodemon

[ornate vortex]

because it’s basically been the part i’ve hugely struggled with

[ruby crater]

The part I struggled with was that one section, and it’s been a while so forgive me, where you teleport into the center a square room inside of a larger square arena with revenant turrets firing at you and there being a cyberdemon somewhere in the mix for that fight

I’d have to honestly look at the map layout again, gimme a sec

[ornate vortex]

is that the red key fight?

like the one with the hallway of just purely revs and imps afterwards?

I used to find that so hard but my strategy is becoming more consistent

recently i’ve always gotten past that room

[ruby crater]

It’s on the way to the red key iirc

Before you enter a long hallway for the red key? Cuz the red key is when you have to fight in a hallway-type room, right?

[ornate vortex]

yes

but the blue key is the same I think

just with the blue key, you first have to fight a spiderdemon and a ton of barons

[ruby crater]

Spiderdemons..they’re so smart technologically, but..so dumb

[ornate vortex]

The spiderdemon is easy if it infights with the barons, not so easy if it doesn’t

your health will just go down a ton if they refuse to infight

[ruby crater]

Infighting is one of my favorite doom mechanics

Really blows newer doom gutted that element and made it just for show

[ornate vortex]

it’s really good when speedrunning as well