classic-doom

[ornate vortex]

Was planning on going experimental with this wad in terms of speedrunning, so NM100S I could try and pull off with some maps

i’ve only ever done uv max and uv speed so all of this is very new to me

[next dagger]

Mmmm. But if you want to be a gentleman….

[ornate vortex]

Nice Civvie reference

[rare raptor]

Is there a command console

[azure nimbus]

some ports have them(usually acessed through the ` key). Though traditionally, you can do most everything you need by simply typing in the main game. idclip for noclip, idkfa for keys and full ammo, so on.

[rare raptor]

I mean I bought the game on steam

[azure nimbus]

oh then there is a cheat menu if you pause the game. You'll only have console commands or typeable cheats through ports or the original dos version

[rare raptor]

bruh

the cheat menu really doesn’t have a lot of cheats

[azure nimbus]

yeah they removed some that are accessible in ports and the original game like idclip. If you need help setting up a port, you can ask here

DSDA is more faithful to the original game while providing more features and compatability to custom content so I highly recommend.

[dapper flint]

Dsda is for chuds

[halcyon willow]

dsda is getting udmf support elevating it to the realm of the gods

[dapper flint]

When's gz getting that? 🦧

[hexed escarp]

wait how does that work?

so it has like 3d floors and stuff now?

[dapper flint]

I don't think so no

You'll still need eternity for that

[hexed escarp]

what is the point of making it support udmf

who would make a map using udmf but that doesnt use any of the zdoom or eternity features

if the only port that can play it is dsda

udb doesnt even have a profile for non zdoom or eternity udmf

[royal heron]

Wait wtf

[next dagger]

are there any good classic doom or boomer shooter youtubers. Looking for more personality than good gameplay. Big fan of Civvie so anyone similar to his style?

[hexed escarp]

Is it possible to make it so that doom.fandom.com doesn’t show up in my search results?

[next dagger]

same lol but for any doom wiki so they dont show up when Im searching for mods

[vale gyro]

I personally like decino

[next dagger]

hes so calming lol. thx he seems cool

[finite crag]

i like doomkid too

well
the doom videos

[halcyon willow]

Udmf is a file format that allows for easier access to data structures. Things like flat rotation/alignment, setting brightness of individual lines etc. Stuff like 3dfloors is a renderer element. It would require a much bigger rewrite

Dsda is getting support for polyobjects though which is cool, and there are plans for ACS support

[floral basin]

Coincident. I've mainly seen his okuplok videos, but he has also been doing playthroughs of other maps I think. I've seen a few clips and it looked fun from those.

[next dagger]

Anyone know my MyHouse.pk3 just isn't changing? Ive gone through it a couple times and explored every room and everything always stays the same and never switches rooms out or anything like that.

[floral basin]

I remember what I did was: explore the house, go out near the exit, circle around the house. And you should see new enemies from the windows as you are doing so.

[next dagger]

aight

[remote cedar]

Basically you should circle around the house when you have all keycards

[next dagger]

I am only using the .pk3, are there other files?

[remote cedar]

There's the original version (the wad file)

but it's just the first loop of the house

then it leads to Underhalls, then on and on until MAP30

Basically you don't go back to the house if you go to Underhalls in the WAD file

[next dagger]

Yeah when I beat the level without doing the walkaround and triggering the changing, it just goes to Underhalls

ok it started changing now. thx boy

boys

[next dagger]

welp. that was a trip. finished in 30 mins but there was so much left unexplored. crazy

[remote cedar]

Which ending did you get?

[next dagger]

house was sold, I guess

idk the endings but thats what happened

[remote cedar]

Did you go trigger the burning of the house?

[next dagger]

oh yeah

I did the plane too

[remote cedar]

I'm afraid that's the bad ending man

Keep exploring, you'll find other endings

[next dagger]

dont rlly like the area with Cerberus jus cuz of how mazy and empty it is

[remote cedar]

I get that

you may want to collect more items though

That pop you got your hands on? it's the first of many items you can find

[next dagger]

I got a few drinks and an orange, teddy bear and some other things but never found where to use them

[remote cedar]

they are steps towards unlocking the true ending

what's in the burnt down house doesn't count though

[sick mist]

Bridge knows his stuff

[next dagger]

Just found out u can kill cerberus by killing doggo. that makes going back in a lot more appealing lol so he doesnt take ALL of my ammo

[remote cedar]

or alternatively don't kill any of em

[next dagger]

any demons at all?

[remote cedar]

no just don't kill any of the dogs

[next dagger]

I didnt on my first run cuz I ran out of ammo

[remote cedar]

fair fair

but even if you had ammo, don't waste it on them

[next dagger]

omfg

I quit the game on underhalls

didnt finish underhalls

aight back to it lol

[remote cedar]

Man, tall monsters makes Pain Elementals absolutely horrible to deal with

I hadn't realized before but damn dude let me MOVE

oh also I beat Thy Flesh Consumed yesterday, completed 100%

[finite crag]

In general they're a pain

[finite crag]

Nice
UV?

Well I'm assuming uv lol

[remote cedar]

Yeah UV

[next dagger]

Im not sure if Ive ever beat Thy Flesh

I know Ive played it cuz E4M1 is how my nightmares play out generally

[remote cedar]

E4M1 and E4M6 are definitely the worst

Especially E4M1

it's the resource scarcity that gets you

[next dagger]

Its literally bullying

[remote cedar]

It's not that difficult to play if you just play on UV

but if you're like me and you like going for 100%, you're gonna shit your soul in this map

[marble anchor]

i just figure out how to use gzdoom

[junior karma]

someone should make a mod that randomly adds or removes 1-2 monsters in every playthrough but doesn't count it to the kill count, so people learn to stop chasing the arbitrary 100% of kills objective 😛

[remote cedar]

that's cool, I wouldn't download it though

[marble anchor]

i just played a little bit of brutal doom

very fun

[remote cedar]

I haven't tried Brutal Doom

[junior karma]

actually the way to do it is simply remove the percentage and change it to "almost all monsters defeated", with a threshold of say >=80% or >=90% of kills on the map

that way people still get the satisfaction of killing the majority of the monsters, without the seemingly pointless task of chasing down stragglers to make the number 100%

[remote cedar]

I like going for all kills

if anything, it's the easiest 100% to get

with secrets being second and items being third

how many times have I spent too long looking for an armor bonus that just so happened to be covered by the corpse of a Cacodemon or an Imp...

[junior karma]

it might be easy but why, it's just a way to appease perfectionist tendancies

[remote cedar]

It does appease my tendancies yes

When I clear a map 100% I have the feeling I really got things done

and that I at least know the map well

[junior karma]

I guess so, for me I think beating it while killing the majority of enemies is all that matters, the rest such as item hunting is time that could have been better spent

[marble anchor]

guys should i play myhouse mod

[remote cedar]

Yes

If you go in blind then you're sure to explore a lot

Otherwise it's still a very intriguing experience

[marble anchor]

ok

[finite crag]

no

[next dagger]

should use SmoothDoom. just ads a couple frames to reload animations and some demon animations to smoothen them out. makes a world of difference

adds*

[marble anchor]

will do

[ornate vortex]

haven’t done much doom today, been carried away with work plus injury

[floral basin]

hope you're feeling better now

[formal monolith]

It's not fun, so I don't blame you

[remote cedar]

damn

straight to the point my guy

nah I mean some of the maps in TFC are fun. It's just the first map is a very bad first impression

I get that it's meant to be harder than the first three episodes. But how steep is the difficulty curve between pistol-starting 5 imps and 2 cacos to pistol-starting 8 shotgunners 💀

Not to mention, the 5 imps are in a wide space and the 2 cacos are behind a door while the 8 shotgunners are out in the open just teleporting onto you, in a small area 💀

[hexed escarp]

Idk man I really like e4m1

It's really brutal, but I find that kinda cool

[remote cedar]

I wouldn't be so critical on it if you weren't feeling like you were running short on resources half the time

It would justify the difficulty imo

[hexed escarp]

But I feel like that's sorta the point of the map

[remote cedar]

Like yeah this map kicks your ass, but also gives you the opportunity to kick its ass back

[hexed escarp]

It emphasizes resource conservation

[remote cedar]

It was never done to such a degree before that

not even in Doom II with MAP10 (which got me running low on resources multiple times)

[hexed escarp]

I think that the episode would have been significantly better if they had reordered the maps to be in the order of e4m4 e4m1 e4m3 e4m5 e4m2 e4m6 e4m7 e4m8 or smthn like that

[remote cedar]

I also agree with that

E4M1 is arguably the hardest map in the entire episode and it's mostly due to having to start on it

It would've benefitted from being the 3rd or 4th map

[floral basin]

e4m2 gives me more trouble usually

Maybe my approach is wrong

But I am always short on ammo

[glossy lagoon]

That's mostly down to how little ammo you really get in Hell Beneath.

Playing through Barrels o' Fun rn. For some reason in this run, the Mancubus attack didn't cause all of the initial barrels to explode.

[royal heron]

He's talking about perfect hatred

[glossy lagoon]

I know. I'm talking about how the lack of ammo within Hell Beneath really puts you in a rough position for Perfect Hatred.

[floral basin]

Yeah, I usually exit hell beneath with pretty much no ammo and little health. So it makes the beginning of perfect hatred difficult. I gave it another shot and I think I got down a reliable strategy now though.

[royal heron]

Ah

I usually pistol start every map so ammo issues from previous maps are basically nonexistent

[halcyon willow]

E4m1 is one of my all time favourite iwad maps.

[royal heron]

Speaking about perfect hatred makes me want to play it again

[halcyon willow]

My first released map was inspired by e4m1

It uh, had quite a few barons of hell lol

[lusty edge]

How do i uh do cheats on xbox doom

The wiki page is like lt + a a a a but idk what + means

[hexed escarp]

It either means the pause button or just 'and'

[vast reef]

same reason people grind for 100% completion in RPGs, it just feels nice
personally i'll do 100% kills if i can, but if it's an enemy in a hard-to-reach spot or a fight i don't want to deal with, then nope

[dense plinth]

I gotta stop playing knee deep in the dead

I'll just idly open doom and start playing it

I do it so often that I'm starting to get sick of playing the levels over and over and over again

[vast reef]

me with doom 2's first 7 maps

[dense plinth]

I sometimes do it for doom 2

[azure nimbus]

there's a pause menu that has the cheats.

[finite crag]

Plutonia is so fun

Yeah it might be painful sometimes but because of how you can predict stuff it's not too horrible

Also I'm playing on hmp so even if I'll be executed for that, it won't be as hard I guess

[lethal sedge]

Did you know that E4M6 is the only non EXM8 map in Ultimate Doom to use a special tag (Tag 666) in order to complete the level?

[finite crag]

I just save when I think something bad is going to happen

Usually works out well

[next dagger]

Here is the question. what is the hardest Map in Ultimate Doom. E4M1 is def up there

[lethal sedge]

You have to kill the Cyberdemon to finish the level, there's a reason why there's a invulnerability powerup locked behind red floor bars

[finite crag]

E4m1/2 probably

[lethal sedge]

E4M6, no armor on Ultra-Violence, a Cyberdemon you are required to kill to finish the map. If talking Nightmare, well I would say half of Episode 1 and chunks of Episode 4 (E4M6 lol)

[next dagger]

Not sponsored but if any of you havent played Dusk... you should play Dusk. Its like Quake meets Blood meets RedneckRampage

Playing through E2 and E3 for the first time currently

very solid

[finite crag]

What about hedon

[tacit remnant]

There’s a good bit of Doom DNA in Dusk as well

In particular with how a lot of the fights are balanced.

[finite crag]

Get key, 50 Revenants?

[tacit remnant]

Lol. Enemies in Dusk die fast and the game makes them dangerous using numbers. Later levels especially

[next dagger]

Dusk is generally easy I would say just cuz the size of the arenas leave you bunny hopping endlessly

[royal heron]

e4m1 or m6

[tacit remnant]

Very different from, say, Quake where they couldn’t really do large numbers thanks to technical limitations so everything is tankier to compensate

[royal heron]

m2 is also a contender

[next dagger]

yeah thats totally true. Anyone who wants quake movement with doom-sized combat encounters should try Dusk

[tacit remnant]

Bhopping was (IIRC) added pretty late into Dusk development to differentiate the game more from stuff like Doom 2016. The game simply wasn’t balanced around bhopping being available

That’s why it’s fairly easy most of the way through

Episode 3 puts up more of a fight thanks to more claustrophobic levels (among other things)

[next dagger]

yeah havent played E3 yet

[tacit remnant]

Incidentally I couldn’t help but notice that certain enemy types parallel classic Doom demons somewhat closely. The basic wizards are a lot like imps, leathernecks are kind of like pinkies, the big wizards act like revenants, the wendigos are at least conceptually similar to specters, and the cowgirls are a bit like cyberdemons but toned down. The episode 3 only monsters are probably the most unique and some of those are pretty harrowing.

[next dagger]

Blood did it better (cuz its a perfect game and theres nothing wrong with it and anyone who says there is is wrong) but Doom 2s enemy variety was so deep for the time so tons of devs take inspiration but as soon as I saw the grand wizards I was expecting a doot

[tacit remnant]

Lol

I like Blood’s weapons a lot. The enemies significantly less so. The cultists are neat and well designed (if a bit bullshit) but the other enemies are trivially easy to cheese with crouch and jump so they don’t get to do much against players who know about that

[next dagger]

Im fine with crouching the butchers cuz it feels intended but yeah crouching the gargoyles totally ruins them

[tacit remnant]

There’s even a simple fix in a lot of those cases. Just make the projectile hitboxes taller so they’re harder to go over or under

[pearl stratus]

Hi

[tacit remnant]

It’s not a perfect solution but it would make the projectile enemies matter a lot more

[finite crag]

We all know the best enemy

The Triad enforcer

[next dagger]

I think the fact that Bloods weapon are basically all completely broken and overpowered yet the game still manages to be very difficult speaks to the genius

[tacit remnant]

Eh I’d say that speaks more to how hard to counter the cultists are than anything else

[next dagger]

yeah but cultists arent the ONLY hard enemy. They're def up there but Cerby and the dogs are rough. Stone gargoyles too

unless you cheese obv

[finite crag]

I should play blood one day
But I have like 30k other games

[next dagger]

Blood, in my opinion, is a masterclass in how to make the most out of the build engine

best part about blood is level design for the most part

[finite crag]

You mean redneck rampage

[next dagger]

that is hilarious

[tacit remnant]

My favorite old school FPS is probably Viscerafest. Like Dusk it’s a modern game made in the style of a 90s game, but with heavy Build engine influence (especially Blood) and a little bit from modern Doom.

[next dagger]

might check it out

could never get into Ultrakill. Really cant get behind the artstyle. Cultics artstyle is painful to look at for 5 minutes and then totally awesome after that

[tacit remnant]

In particular Viscerafest is balanced around tight ammo management but your weapons are also really strong and you have berzerk punch by default. Oh and there’s generally a focus on forcing the player to play smart to succeed

[next dagger]

so its like boomer shooters meet resident evil lol

[tacit remnant]

Lol. You’re expected to kill everything but you feel it when you waste ammo so you need to think about what to use where. Also your pistol and uzis get plenty of ammo so you can fall back on them in emergencies

[next dagger]

Question: is there any actually decent source port of Wolf 3D? one I have barely has any customization and still has the terrible mouse walking

ECWolf

[tacit remnant]

I don’t know. Probably not

[next dagger]

rough

[finite crag]

What's wrong with ecwolf

[next dagger]

it does nothing

[finite crag]

How so?

[tacit remnant]

A good source port seems like a big ask for a game so few people want to play these days

[next dagger]

its the same as playing the steam port

[finite crag]

Rott moment

[next dagger]

we need GZwolf lol

or Raze wolf

[finite crag]

Mouse walk? Vertical mouse movement?

[next dagger]

yeah

[finite crag]

Can't you disable that in options

[next dagger]

dont think so

[finite crag]

I have ecwolf and I did

Or set speed to 0 or whatever

Also if I'm correct steam version is configured so that you can't look and turn at the same time

Since I don't think wolf3d has strafe buttons?

Idk I don't play it that much

[finite crag]

Laggy Wolfenstein

[next dagger]

Yeah idk I just looked through all the settings ingame and its not there. Unless I gotta change something in configs

also just having GZ level of customization is always nice with EC unfortunately does not

[finite crag]

Can you lower the speed of vertical mouse movement?

[next dagger]

couldnt find anywhere

[finite crag]

That's odd

Mouse options?

[next dagger]

no mouse options

[finite crag]

What ecwolf version

How does it not work

[next dagger]

1.3.3

[dense plinth]

latest version is 1.4.1

[next dagger]

where can I download?

[dense plinth]

their website

[loud elm]

Wtf with E3M7??

What a labyrinth

[loud elm]

Damn level it's not even funny anymore

[atomic dust]

I just really like the transition of the themes of each episode in Ultimate Doom

episode 1 is tech bases, episode 2 is a mix of tech bases and hell and episode 3 is hell

episode 2 is my favourite. they mixed tech bases and hell really well

[loud elm]

Well, the Spider Mastermind it’s pretty angry.

[dense plinth]

Welcome to Doom 1, which starts out strong and ends on a low note

majority of Doom's bad levels are toward the end of the game

[atomic dust]

Thy Flesh Consumed

the episode where the first 2 levels are the hardest and the levels after them being easy

[dense plinth]

yeah I kinda count Thy Flesh Consumed as a whole as kinda bad

but that's more due to balancing with the hardest levels first and the easier levels after

[atomic dust]

the first level has shotgunners everywhere and like only 9 measly 1 hp health pick ups

[floral basin]

I played yesterday and had fun in Thy flesh consumed. The design of the levels were interesting. I then died to the cyberdemon in e4m6 and rage quitted.

[dense plinth]

E4M6 Cyberdemon can be cheesed iirc

[atomic dust]

it would have been cool if there were some new Doom II demons included in it

since Ultimate Doom came after Doom II

[dense plinth]

Ultimate Doom did yes

but Thy Flesh didn't

wait, or did it

[floral basin]

I was sure there was a way to telefrag it, but I tried to bfg it at point blank since I couldnt find it

[dense plinth]

I can't remember if Thy Flesh was an additional DLC for Doom and then was bundled into Ultimate Doom, or if Ultimate Doom just was the way to play Thy Flesh

[atomic dust]

Ultimate Doom

the og version of Doom didn't had it

[floral basin]

It came out with ultimate doom iirc

Not as a separate dlc

[dense plinth]

ah

[atomic dust]

being forced to shotgun Barons and Cacodemons is NOT fun

thank god Doom II introduced the super shotgun

[azure nimbus]

how? I've really never seen any "cheese" beyond that pacifist strat of setting up a truly absurd baron vs cyber thing and getting him stuck. but that's so hard to do and takes an hour so I couldn't really call it cheese

[dense plinth]

isn't E4M6 the cyberdemon fight where you have hardly any space to fight him?

[floral basin]

yep

[dense plinth]

yeah

I'm pretty sure you can snipe him with the BFG from further away rather than fight him up close

[floral basin]

Yeah, I think that's how you're meant to fight him. I just tried something stupid and died

[dense plinth]

well

I think the way you're meant to fight him is one of two ways

either you fight him up close in the confined space

or you drop down into the lava pit, and snipe him with the bfg from the teleporter in the middle of the room

[cloud gazelle]

Wait wait

If you want to insta kill a cyberdemon

just fire two bfg directly in his face
should kill in 2 shots as long as you're close enough

[azure nimbus]

there is an invuln so it's very doable to just fight him

[floral basin]

theres an invul in e4m6?

Guess I gotta watch a walkthrough or sth

Or I could just snipe him too

[azure nimbus]

you'll need the red key to grab it

[dense plinth]

oh I forgot about the invuln

[finite crag]

Wait you're not supposed to savescum?

[azure nimbus]

do what you want. I think you get more out of the game by mostly limiting saves to once per fight but do what you like

[cloud gazelle]

Prefer Classic Doom with or without freelook?

[dense plinth]

without

freelook breaks the game imo

[cloud gazelle]

Some WADS want it/require it

I'd rather not use it because it goes against the spirit of Classic DOOM IMO

[atomic dust]

even though the Pain Elemental normally doesn't leave a corpse when it dies, it has an resurrected by Arch-Vile animation which can be seen when it's crushed

[cloud gazelle]

Yes Decino is a popular Doom Youtuber

[atomic dust]

I knew about it before decino made that Arch-Vile video

[royal heron]

Yes

However if you want to yolo it and you can comfortably 2 shot cyberdemons with the BFG in tight spaces then you can skip it entirely

[cloud gazelle]

lol

[dense plinth]

yeah but when you say classic doom I specifically think of the classic doom wads

[modest galleon]

Hi this about Doom 2 on the playstation im looking for a pro player that could melt me all these levels on nightmare in coop share play.

[gusty falcon]

In my case i tend to play with free look even on vanilla stuff. it's just something I'm used to having in fps games and it feels too weird not to

[junior karma]

makes the game easier tho

[finite crag]

I don't use freelook often
Sometimes I will but it depends
Usually it's off although I would prefer it on sometimes...

[gusty falcon]

Well the base game is quite frankly easy in general. Health is abundant, enemy combinations still have the training wheels on and secrets overstuff you with goodies. If you want challenge the base game is not really the place to look but to the expansions like plutonia and community made mapsets

Those can be and often are hard regardless if you have free look on or not in my experience.

[cloud gazelle]

Honestly just hook up a second controller and use a Decino guide

[ornate vortex]

Yet again, the grind continues for Rush map12

[spice radish]

Without. I only use it if a WAD recommends it or is designed specifically for GZDoom.

[glossy lagoon]

I never really use Freelook, honestly. It feels wrong to set my camera back down to the regular height, and that's it. Petty, but still.

[ornate vortex]

Reached 40 attempts for rush map 12, stopping there. I had to practice the start again to make sure my strategy was not stupid (since I kept on dying at a specific part)

I'll continue tomorrow

[ruby crater]

Rush map 12? The castle finale?

Fun map. Not too hard though, if I remember correctly

[finite crag]

IF FREELOOK THEN HELL

i consider freelook as cheating

you can reach things with freelook you're not supposed to

[cloud gazelle]

what about for wads or gz doom?

[finite crag]

i don't play gzdoom-only wads

i want to avoid gzdoom

unless i really want to play gzdoom-only wads

[ornate vortex]

Only if you're not trying to uv-max speedrun it (which I am trying to)

I also just beat BFGandorf's time on map 2 uv-max for TLM

There's really only two fights that can go horribly wrong with rush map 12 tho

The furnace room when you press the switches can be scary since there's loads of barons and 2 cyberdemons

and then the red key fight (which unleashes hundreds of revenants)

[ruby crater]

I wish you the best of luck in such endeavors! Speedrunning is not in my cards, when there’s still so many wads to experience regularly first. And by regularly, I mean Blind UV for anything. If I have to retry a few fights, it helps me appreciate whatever map for a little longer for a first time

I loved Stargate 20x6 for that reason, lots of fun wads to experience

[ornate vortex]

That's actually on my to play list once i've beaten combat shock 2

same with swim with the whales

[ruby crater]

Definitely beautiful levels to inhabit and play!

SWTW is a bit overhyped imo 😅
Fun, but a bit too..what’s the word? Predictable? Repeatedable? Used the same gimmick too many times of showing you the opposition first, hit a switch to unleash hell. Ribbiks kinda repeats his formula too much sometimes haha

[finite crag]

i still haven't played map03

[ornate vortex]

I will be speedrunning that map next year 💀

[ruby crater]

I’m sure you’ll kick its ass

[ornate vortex]

I'm sure I will too, my skill is definitely progressing

[finite crag]

i'm a UV-max SLOWrun fan

so it'll take me atleast 2 hours

[ornate vortex]

My first ever uv-max speedrun was rush map 1 (which was like nearly 10 months ago)

[ruby crater]

Rush 01 has a great song

Good remixed track

[ornate vortex]

Agreed, project:Doom music is badass

But I got 2:37, which looking back is actually pretty slow

My new PB for Rush map 1 (which i did 2 months ago) was 2:19 I think

so i've definitely improved a lot since then

my attempt count has significantly decreased in most maps and i'm getting pretty decent times

there have been some maps where I feel as if they haven't been great but will suffice

I'm thinking of overboard map 5

The record was like 2:50 and I got 3:00

I tried to lower it for 400 attempts, and I couldn't do it

[finite crag]

ohhoohhohh overboard

i really need to play overboard

[ornate vortex]

I probably could now though

[ornate vortex]

You definitely should, it's one of my favourite wads out there

[ruby crater]

Reminds me of trying to do map 31 of Scythe 2 without cheating...ugh..

[ornate vortex]

Getting the secret for that map is just outright stupid

[finite crag]

i'm at map16 of going down, but it was already great, especially map15

[finite crag]

you need to grab the keys and rush to the door in 11 seconds

to access map32

[ornate vortex]

and the evil marines are relentless

[finite crag]

and to that i say IDCLEV32

[ruby crater]

Stupid? Why..what ever could you possibly mean? It’s fun having to sprint to a door while plasma is flying around everywhere..

[finite crag]

it's the furthest thing from fun

[ruby crater]

Oh I bumped a wall? Oops, I failed! 🙄

[ornate vortex]

I suppose we all have different tastes in the end, I just don't appreciate having to unlock a map by mandatory speedrunning

I would just get all the kills, and then move on to map 32

[finite crag]

yeah, if you make a small mistake, you definitely won't make it to the door

[ruby crater]

I had to do it at least once without cheats, just to know I could. Now, I say fk that map..

Timed secrets? No thanks

[finite crag]

idclev32, grade F to map31, and goodbye

[ornate vortex]

Once i've beat Rush map 12, my next maps were gonna be Scythe map 26 and 30

map 26 is notorious so I kinda have to play that and try it out

and map 30 is also notorious for being tough

[finite crag]

I wouldn't expect that from erik alm

[finite crag]

fire and ice bullshit

[ornate vortex]

Fire and Ice might actually be up there with one of my favourite maps

I'm a big fan of slaughtermaps so of course it will be

[ruby crater]

Oh lord..I thought you were saying Scythe 2 26 & 30, cuz Scythe 1 map 30 is one of the few maps I have not beaten

It’s just a matter of sitting down and doing it but ugh it feels like there’s no right answers

[finite crag]

i like slaughtermaps, but not long slaughtermaps

[ornate vortex]

Nope, scythe 1

[finite crag]

in scythe 2, from map23 to 28 (i didn't play 29,30 yet) 26 was the easiest for me

[ornate vortex]

I plan on completing scythe 2 as a whole

[royal heron]

ah fire and ice

[ruby crater]

More like put fire in my eyes..

[royal heron]

first level in scythe where I gave up trying to get max

[ruby crater]

Those maps are hard, but lots of fun. At least, I enjoyed them on stream

[royal heron]

cheesed getting the blue key via wallrunning after getting the other 2 keys via savescumming

[finite crag]

how hard 26 was for you?

[royal heron]

though I have a feeling that I'll be able to handle it much better now

[royal heron]

Fear?

[finite crag]

no

death

[royal heron]

you mean scythe 2 or 1

[finite crag]

2

[royal heron]

ah that's the difference

[ruby crater]

That’s the map with some name about the wind? Right? The beginning is the hardest part, but once you get a foothold, the frenzy calms down.

[royal heron]

it's Death

[finite crag]

nononono

[ruby crater]

Oooh death!

[finite crag]

it's Death

[ruby crater]

Oops lol

[finite crag]

@tiny rain shut yo-

[ruby crater]

It’s got such great atmosphere to it

Love how it uses tight spaces

[finite crag]

it has a very great layout

a lot of people say that it's hard, but i finded it very doable

[ruby crater]

Map 27 was the old finale to Scythe 2 right? That castle level was also tons of fun with its lil mountain fight and that one fight in the cemetery with the upside-down cross

The music is so fitting for that level

[finite crag]

afterlife 2... oh my fucking god

[ruby crater]

Once you get your bearings it is doable, for sure

But Fire and Ice? Ima need a video guide for that lol

[finite crag]

it's definitely the hardest map in scythe 2

[finite crag]

and that mountain fight is just a psychopathy

[ruby crater]

Dust to Dust is a hard one too because of that afrit at the beginning always following. That was a fun one too

[finite crag]

i heard that dust to dust is just weird and quiet

[ruby crater]

It has a different pacing than the prior levels. Starts slower, but still hard

Damaging lava floors are the biggest nuisance tho

[finite crag]

i'm curious about map30, pls don't give spoilers

[ruby crater]

Can I say one thing at least?

[finite crag]

just one tiny thing

[ruby crater]

It’s really good

[finite crag]

it better be!

[ruby crater]

The music makes it all the more awesome too, but that’s all I’ll say

I’d model my map 30 after that level if I ever did a megawad

[finite crag]

I'm really looking forward

btw, can i send you a friend request? @ruby crater

[ruby crater]

Definitely a treat for a first timer

[ruby crater]

Of course!

[finite crag]

sent

[ornate vortex]

I lowered my TLM map 2 time even more

It was 1:20 and now it's 1:16

[ornate vortex]

Will upload that tomorrow

Most likely won’t get a run on Rush map 12 or Crumpets map 8 by then

[loud elm]

Beginning E4M6, I will try to definitely finish the game tomorrow.

[torpid radish]

ive only gotten to toxic refinery

[floral basin]

welp, done with e4. Gotta say, I think it's my second fav after e1.

[floral basin]

You're playing doom for the first time?

[torpid radish]

all the way thru yeah

i gotta say, finding secrets is sorta TEDIOUS

[floral basin]

Yeah, I'd say don't bother with secrets that much in your first playthrough. Checking some spots as you go along is fine but if you are done with the map and humping every wall - that's gonna kill the flow of the game.

Btw, have fun. I wish I could experience doom for the first time again. Especially e1.

[torpid radish]

😄

i’m gonna play more when i get home

i really am interested in mapmaking

[next dagger]

If you have the funds, I would genuinely recommend playing Episode 1 of Doom 1 and then switching to Doom 2. Episode 1 is expertly crafted and is the best intro but Doom 1 gets really tiring after it and especially in late game. Doom 2 has a lot more enemies so it doesn't get stale

[tacit remnant]

Doom 1’s first episode is honestly my least favorite. It’s more polished than later levels but everything in it blurs together

[finite crag]

Didn't you all forget about the best doom game
TNT evilution

Yes it's so very much good trust me

[tacit remnant]

Some people genuinely like TNT. Just not the majority

[dense plinth]

I think it's alright

[tacit remnant]

It’s not really my thing but it’s fine I guess

[dense plinth]

too much reliance on low tier enemies though

feel like the whole wad I'm just fighting hitscanners, imps and pinkies with the occasional heavies sprinkled in

[tacit remnant]

Yeah I very much prefer good mix of enemy types

And a focus on good fights in general

[narrow condor]

It also puts too much focus on worldbuilding which didn't age well, as level design has advanced a lot since then. I believe Plutonia aged much better in comparison because the maps were self-contained and simple, focusing entirely on combat design.

And good combat is ageless in my opinion.

[dense plinth]

I think I've settled on Chocolate Doom as my goto source port

[atomic dust]

Barons have green blood, yet they bleed red when shot

same thing with Cacodemons except they have blue blood

one thing I'm wondering, are Spectres different entities or the same entity as Pinkies?

[tacit remnant]

Like species? I think it’s considered a mutation within the species

[atomic dust]

no, I'm referring to in-game entities

[tacit remnant]

The code has them separate. It has to in order to know which to spawn in

If you’re asking in regards to infighting, it doesn’t apply because that only applies to fireballs

[atomic dust]

apparently, in earlier versions, Pinkies and Spectres actually had a short range hitscan attack

[tacit remnant]

Yeah in early versions melee was treated as short range hitscan and was changed to be a separate thing in later versions

Chainsaw is still technically hitscan though

[zenith berry]

MyHouse.wad made my computer unable to interact with any other apps aside from GZDoom, until I quit off it. I wonder if it's intentionally made like that...

Like I can Alt+Tab and go to other apps. They are responsive, but clicking on them will do nothing.

Considering the mind screwing nature of the mod...

I expected the game not to let me quit, either.

[dense plinth]

na, I think that's just your computer

I can still open Minecraft with myhouse loaded

[zenith berry]

Oh thank goodness.

It'd be sooo scary tho if something like that can even toy what's outside the game, like say, creating random text files, but I guess that's not possible.

[next dagger]

serial killer behavior

[next dagger]

I mean the wad is like possessed soooooo

[dense plinth]

breh

[zenith berry]

DOOM 3 may be scary…but MyHouse.wad is its own thing.

[remote cedar]

it's simply not the same kind of horror

[remote cedar]

I don't really know Chocolate Doom all that much, what does it have going on for it?

[naive plover]

Myhouse.wad is a masterpiece.

It made me come back to doom for the whatever number time now

[vast reef]

simulates the experience of playing doom exactly as it was on DOS without you needing to set up dosbox

[remote cedar]

Interesting

[vast reef]

personally i prefer crispy because of some extra features

[remote cedar]

I think I might stick to DSDA

[vast reef]

it's "chocolate" doom and not vanilla doom because it artificially emulates the bugs and such

[dense plinth]

I mean to be fair you don't have to really set up dosbox anyway if you install it through steam

[vast reef]

can dosbox save demos to your PC /genq

[remote cedar]

Ohhh so that's why it's called "Chocolate" Doom

[vast reef]

i haven't looked at the source code but i've heard it's basically a cleaner refactor of the og source code

[dense plinth]

it's as close as you can get to the dos version without playing the dos version

also it has autorun, dos does not so you gotta hold the run button

[naive plover]

I always come back to playing modded classic doom, no matter how long it takes in between. I'm going to see what cool wads are out there and probably explore older wads again as well. If anyone has any cool mods they've played no matter how old they are let me know. I may have played doom a lot before, but I have barely scratched the surface on these doom mods, even though I've been on and off playing doom mods for about 8 years now

[dense plinth]

and chocolate doom properly adjusts it to 4:3

[naive plover]

ah yes It seems pretty cool

[vast reef]

dusk movement via zmovement was a treat to play with some wads, i just trust you not to sequence break

[dense plinth]

whereas dosbox is locked to the older aspect ratio, can't remember what it is tho

[naive plover]

I've heard good things about it and if you want that Classic doom feel without setting up dosbox.

[dense plinth]

basically you get black bars top and bottom, as well as side by side of the game

[vast reef]

chocolate's QOL features are the main reason to use it over dosbox

[naive plover]

I will take a look. I assume sequence breaking screws it up?

[dense plinth]

if your screen is too big of course, my laptop doesn't give me that problem but my 1440p monitor does

[vast reef]

no

[naive plover]

Ah

[dense plinth]

yeah, hence me not playing Dos outright

[vast reef]

but you can cheese your way through some wads

[naive plover]

ah yeah

[vast reef]

that's how it is with any mod that includes jumping or some advanced form of movement, i trust you not to break sequence unless it's clearly what it's intended for (door breaker in codename demolitionist for example)

[dense plinth]

I prefer chocolate to crispy because if I wanna play vanilla doom I usually go complete vanilla (aside from playing dos of course)

if I wanna play at a higher resolution and whatnot I just choose GZDoom

[vast reef]

i used crispy for the crosshair

[dense plinth]

fair

[vast reef]

i forgot if chocolate had a crosshair though

[naive plover]

Ah thats understandable

[dense plinth]

no there's no crosshair in chocolate

[vast reef]

i mean, you can cheese wads if you want to but cheesing a wad using a mod feels kinda dirty to me

[dense plinth]

I've never used crosshair in doom so I've never needed it

[naive plover]

I usually use jump with the classic doom and doom 2 Iwads but I understand that its not part of the native doom engine.

I didn't with myhouse though

[vast reef]

i've adapted to not using the crosshair

but now i always look for center weapon options in games because i mentally use it to line up shots now 😔

[dense plinth]

I've always played with the weapon sprite centering upon firing, so I use that to aim, of course chocolate doesn't have that function but after a little bit adjusting my muscle memory remembers where the centre of the screen is

[naive plover]

I don't think you can use jump there anyway or else you get punished for it.....

[dense plinth]

that was my main reason for not using chocolate before, that and its lack of mod support

but I spent so much time tweaking GZDoom to try and emulate Dos I realized why not just go and play dos, or chocolate

and idk for some reason I prefer the really low resolution look of classic doom

[naive plover]

Thats fair. I prefer GZdoom, but I started out using dosbox when I went back to doom in 2015

[dense plinth]

and classic wolfenstein as well, I play ECWolf on 320x200

unfortunately wolfenstein 3d doesn't have a source port like doom does with chocolate doom

any source port that emulates the dos version lacks the quality of life features, including lack of strafe bindings

which I consider absolutely mandatory

funnily enough I think the best port of Wolf 3d with QOL features that emulates the dos version is Wolfstone 3d

the playable Wolf 3d version in New Colossus and Youngblood

if there is a "chocolate wolfenstein" like port out there I have yet to find it

[vast reef]

classic doom was designed for low res, it looks really pretty that way

[dense plinth]

ye

[vast reef]

it can still look good in high res, but i play in 320x240 (or 320x200 because of aspect ratio) whenever i can

sometimes though you need to see targets better, so i have to go to 640x480 or higher

[dense plinth]

na I just squint

https://tenor.com/view/community-ken-jeong-ben-chang-cant-see-small-gif-5154350

tbh though I think my eyes have just gotten used to looking at low resolution

[vast reef]

bro has the magical ability to tell if 3 green pixels are a hell knight or a switch

[dense plinth]

absolutely

[vast reef]

tbh doom's enemies are all differentiable

[dense plinth]

not even kidding

[vast reef]

teach me your ways

oh wait nvm, if it moves it's a hell knight

[dense plinth]

yeah that's what makes their designs so good, they're meant to be identifiable even if all you have is like 2 pixels to work with

[vast reef]

yup

they also all have distinct projectiles (except for barons and hell knights, but knights are just nerfed barons anyway)

[dense plinth]

yeah

barons and hell knights are easy to separate with their base colour

[vast reef]

mhm

[dense plinth]

same with the zombie soldiers

[vast reef]

even if i'm red-green colorblind, i can tell via the difference in lightness

[vast reef]

yeah, green for zombiemen, black for sergeants, red for chaingunners

[dense plinth]

yup

it's a detail you often don't get in more modern shooters I find

then again if all your shooting are the same soldiers over and over you don't need to differentiate them I guess

[vast reef]

lol

[atomic dust]

not only is prBoom+ great for custom maps, but it also can replicate vanilla stuff well too

[vast reef]

yeah, full compat with vanilla if you set the complevels right

[atomic dust]

apparently nuts.wad actually runs better on prBoom+ compared to GZDoom

I'm sure I saw someone playing it on gzDoom and it was running really bad

[zenith berry]

I'd love help with MyHouse.wad, but I don't wanna spoil stuff.

I guess I'll just ask with little context.

[vast reef]

of course

gz works well on vulkan but it still can't top more conservative ports in terms of performance

[zenith berry]

After you defeat some fish at the pool and collect some artifact, where am I supposed to go? DoomWiki says that the center dark square at the pool's bottom is also a tunnel and that I should swim through it. However, what should I do so I can swim through it? Assuming it's still the same pool, and that the "center dark square" is among 3 other squares in the pool's surface.

[remote cedar]

You can just look downwards and go forward, this will make you swim into the hole

you will then continue down that path, then you'll be able to swing back up the first vent to catch your breath, but the second vent has no air so don't go there. Eventually, you will find a wall with tiles at the end of the tunnel, on which you'll press use to lower it and proceed.

[remote cedar]

Speaking of MyHouse.wad, can someone tell me how to achieve the lighting style used in this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypP-qVAW-oY

This is clearly done in GZDoom but I haven't managed to replicate it myself and I'm not sure how the lighting style is named, if it even has a name. I also remember seeing it in a decino video, which is what made me want to try and replicate it.

[zenith berry]

So it’s still necessary to freelook, despite on how the mod has that and crouching set to off by default, right?

[remote cedar]

Freelook is recommended for this mod iirc
Otherwise you can use the Swim Up and Swim Down keybinds in GZDoom

[finite crag]

boom ports handle a lot of monsters on your screen much better than zdoom based ports

[azure nimbus]

"on screen" is a renderer thing

[finite crag]

whatever, then in the game, u know what i meam

[halcyon willow]

only if you use custom reject tables

well, more so if you do

gzdom is more than capable of handling 1000s of enemies at once

gzdom? sure we'll go with that

but cyrogenesis has 80k enemies and there is indeed no way gzdoom can handle that. it uses a custom reject table to run in prboom (which would also hard crash without the reject lump)

[remote cedar]

Ohhh nevermind guys I got it

It was Ambient occlusion quality

[finite crag]

hell nah i won't use gzdoom unless an interesting wad specifically calls for it

[halcyon willow]

i usse gzdoom for everything unless there's a specific technical reason not to (like knee deep in kdizd)

prboom's movement feels weird to me

good thing there's plenty of choice for port of preference c:

[silent remnant]

same

[remote cedar]

I use DSDA for the official Steam releases and GZDoom for everything else

[silent remnant]

for the OG games I just use Dosbox

for custom wads I use Crispy

[next dagger]

Anybody got any good Blood 1997 videos on youtube. Its my favourite of Civvie's series and one of my fav game but it seems so lost and forgotten. There was a forgotten gems video on it that was good but there seems to be so little content

[torpid radish]

im on e1m7

[remote cedar]

Hey guys, I realized something that's been going on with some of the Doom WADs I have and how they play the wrong music sometimes. For example, I have No Rest For The Living, and if I'm not mistaken the music that should be playing is Message For The Archvile; upon launching NRFTL's MAP01, Running From Evil plays instead. I know it may not sound too big of an issue but I don't wanna hear Running From Evil everytime I boot up a wad that doesn't use its own music. Any ideas?

If that matters, I use GZDoom, but the problem also persists in DSDA.

[remote cedar]

Ok nevermind I figured it out. The Unity version of each of those expansions just sucks that's all

[remote cedar]

Man getting those Master Levels to work properly kinda sucks

Well it works properly now but goddamn that took some work

[vast reef]

in postprocessing, ambient occlusion

[remote cedar]

Thankfully the Interface makes it work

[remote cedar]

yeah I ended up finding the setting, thanks though

[vast reef]

oh

sorry, didn't backread

[naive plover]

No Rest for The Living is the name of the Master Levels you had to troubleshoot?

Also yeah I don't think I'd use the unity version when it comes to the IWADS I prefer using the original wads.

[dense plinth]

getting the master levels to work is easy if you use ZDL

you just add the wad and select the doom II level it replaces

[narrow condor]

Would be convenient to have a script that assembles the Master Levels into a mappack in order and puts the community MIDI pack in.

[dense plinth]

I mean there is, aside from the midi pack

[finite crag]

The midster levels

[dense plinth]

but the master levels aren't meant to be played in a linear order

they're all made for pistol start

some of the levels have a story that follows on from each other but that's dependent on the creator

[narrow condor]

It's more of a convenience thing.

Most mappacks have no story at all and are intended to be pistol started in each map, but it'd be awkward to scatter them into single-map wads.

[dense plinth]

yeah

[hexed escarp]

When a fight is described as a ball buster, is that a good thing or a bad thing, and what does it mean about the fight?

[tacit remnant]

It means that it’s difficult and probably painful. Not necessarily good or bad

[hexed escarp]

Does anybody know what the midi is in this video?

https://youtu.be/2jegCl8lLp4

And before you say it, no it is not Donna to the rescue

[finite crag]

guess who owns final doom in 2023

[hexed escarp]

If you listen closely, the melody is different and played by a different instrument

[gusty falcon]

https://youtu.be/PTd1aOpCt5E
@dapper flint

😁

[remote cedar]

Have you looked into the TNT soundtrack

Because it very well could be a TNT original

[remote cedar]

No they're different; the Master Levels for Doom II were released in 1995 (1996 maybe?) on a disk while No Rest For The Living was developed by Nerve Software and made available for Doom II on the XBox in 2010

[hexed escarp]

I have and it’s not there

[remote cedar]

Huh, that's odd

[hexed escarp]

Civvie has used this in another video before as well

[remote cedar]

Nothing on SiIvaGunner's channel either

[hexed escarp]

Yeah I checked that too

[remote cedar]

they do have a Donna To The Rescue rip but it's based on Friday Night Funkin

[hexed escarp]

Yeah

[remote cedar]

Welp. If anyone knows, it'd be nice of them to tell us because I'm starting to get intrigued as well

[dense plinth]

it's definitely apart of the og soundtrack

thought so

it's E3M2

the fact I was able to identify what it was in my head before I actually checked what it was scares me

I play this game too much man, I gotta touch grass

oh wait it's not donna to the rescue?

[dense plinth]

it's be a remix of it or something then

because that is definitely donna to the rescue

even if it's not the exact version used in Ultimate Doom

I think I found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg_5MEuDVLs

no that's not it

I think it is the original version in the video, it's just the second half

maybe not

idk, weird

[hexed escarp]

Yeah no I know that

But it's a remix or alternate version of smthn

[hexed escarp]

Nah this is the og song

[dense plinth]

yeah

[remote cedar]

yeah nah it's not exactly Donna To The Rescue

which is why it's so puzzling

[naive plover]

Ah I see

I thought you were referring to a fanmade master levels wad I was not familiar with that

[remote cedar]

Well there are fan solutions to package all of the Master Levels into one big wad, and that's what I used at first but the MAPINFO for each of these maps was incorrect (they stuck to the MAPINFO in Doom 2). But now that it works thanks to the Master Levels Interface I can just play the Master Levels properly

[naive plover]

Nice

Glad you got it to work

[hexed escarp]

Holy crap I just found this: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/88747-alternate-version-of-donna-to-the-rescue/

The video it links is unavailable but what they are describing sounds exactly like what we are looking for

[remote cedar]

Damn, the video in the post doesn't work anymore

[hexed escarp]

I am out of the house, but can you check un37.mid?

Doomwiki lists this as a version of Donna to the rescue

[remote cedar]

I think I got a hold of all the unused tracks a while ago

lemme try and get them again

[hexed escarp]

You can just find it on youtube

[remote cedar]

un37 is indeed another version of Donna To The Rescue, but it's not the version we're looking for

[hexed escarp]

Damn

It doesn't have it as part of it?

[remote cedar]

Not really

it's like the final version but without the lead melody it seems

[hexed escarp]

Huh

[remote cedar]

I got a hold of the files on the Doom Music album from 1997

I FOUND IT

[hexed escarp]

Ooh

What is it

Send pls?

[remote cedar]

check your DMs

[hexed escarp]

For anybody curious, it was the CD album version of Donna to the rescue

[remote cedar]

I didn't want to share the link here because I couldn't find a link that would allow you listen to the tracks without downloading the album, which would count as piracy

I am listening to it and this album has some oddities that I'll share here later once I'm done listening to everything

Also I have an appointment soon so you'll probably get my feedback in an hour or two

[finite crag]

i'm continuing playing sunlust

map09

it's the first map which gives me trouble

i didn't finish it yet

[remote cedar]

Here's some of the stuff I've noticed while listening to the DooM MuSIc album (1997, Bobby Prince):

• At Doom's Gate incorporates SFX from both DOOM and DOOM II (monsters, weapons)
• Intermission From Doom plays at a faster pace than in-game
• The Demons From Adrian's Pen, Waiting For Romero To Play, The End of Doom, Kitchen Ace (And Talking Names) have a slightly different structure to accomodate the album format
• They're Going To Get You features better sound mixing, which makes the (usually) very silent instruments pop out way more
• The Demon's Dead has been shortened by removing some parts that usually repeat in-game
• Donna To The Rescue has an entirely new first loop

[finite crag]

finished sunlust map09

it's the first map which gave me trouble

it's punchy and more difficult than map08, but at least it's short

[ornate vortex]

Is that Sasquasohuh?

[remote cedar]

Would you guys recommend DSDA or GZDoom to play arrival.wad?

[analog ridge]

I wonder. Who is the Donna that Donna To The Rescue refers to?

[ornate vortex]

both are fine from what I know of, really it’s up to your preference

[remote cedar]

I know, but purists tend to dislike GZDoom for what it does with RNG

[remote cedar]

Might be Donna Jackson

[finite crag]

yes

[naive plover]

I think GZDoom is the best modernized Classic doom experience.

[finite crag]

hell nah

[remote cedar]

I get that, it's got tons of options

[naive plover]

What do you think is the best?

[remote cedar]

but iirc when it comes to being faithful to the original games it's not as good

[naive plover]

Indeed.

It's not completely faithful but It provides a lot of options that really enhance the experience

[finite crag]

i was a bit too strong with words, gzdoom might be the best modernized experience with classic doom, but not the overall best

[naive plover]

Every time I use it I've always enjoyed the experience

[naive plover]

What do you think is the best? Imo if I'm using mods and such I'm going to use GZDoom

[finite crag]

i use boom ports for a few months now, and a lot of people (including me) say that they're the best experince, it puts in enhancing quality options, but it keeps the vanilla experience

[naive plover]

Even if I play vanilla classic I may just go with GZDoom as well but usually I'm trying to play modded

[naive plover]

Yeah I heard those are great for that.

[finite crag]

they might not support that many things as GZDoom does, but they're the overall best

[naive plover]

I just love GZDoom the best because of all the mods people have developed for it and everything you can do with it

[remote cedar]

I personally use DSDA when I want a faithful experience

[naive plover]

And that's what I love about classic doom.

[finite crag]

we sure can agree with that, classic doom is basically sandbox and timeless

[naive plover]

I love the game, don't get me wrong, but the mods and custom maps have kept me interested in the game

[finite crag]

obviously, that's what made it hold up even 30 years later

[naive plover]

Nothing wrong with that classic experience though. I heard chocolate doom is good for that DOS like experience.

[finite crag]

the dos-like experience is too pixelated and has too crappy controls in my opinion, and basically nobody uses those old ports today

[naive plover]

Ah alright

[finite crag]

Boom ports for the overall best and vanilla experience, GZDoom for modern things in it with UDMF and stuff

[naive plover]

I'll be honest I don't really use any source ports besides Zandronum and GZDoom so I didn't know.

[finite crag]

i only use DSDA for video or demo recordings lol

[remote cedar]

I try to use DSDA as much as I can. But sometimes I have to use GZDoom

for example, I found the Master Levels Menu Interface mod but it only works with ZDoom

which means... no DSDA

[finite crag]

DSDA is the most popular source port, but PrBoom+ has more quality enhancing options

[finite crag]

I just stick at the good ol' Prboom+

[naive plover]

I see

I thought GZDoom was the most popular

[finite crag]

@naive plover these are the 2 boom-based ports

[naive plover]

Zandronum I use when I wanna play multiplayer

[remote cedar]

Heh nice

[finite crag]

GZDoom and DSDA's popularity are basically the same i think

[remote cedar]

I used Zandronum a lot back then because it's what Mega Man 8-bit Deathmatch is running on

I discovered Doom through that game

[finite crag]

but all of the doom gods and pro doom players use dsda @naive plover

[naive plover]

I see

I think I'll stick with GZDoom I have no problems with it but I'll look at DSDA just for fun.

[finite crag]

In last year's summer, youtube basically just recommended me a video that was about doom 1, i had never played doom before. That's how i discovered doom

[finite crag]

PrBoom+ gives you more quality enhancing options than DSDA, but it basically doesn't matter which one do you use

[naive plover]

I go on and off doom modding so I'm not always an expert or even up to date on the modding scene but I always love to go back to messing around a bit with doom. If I wanna play vanilla I may try either DSDA or PrBoom+ in the future

[finite crag]

How so? Just curious

[finite crag]

Last page of the general options menu, it has upscaling and resize textures, and texture filter options

Wait dsda doesn't have that?

[finite crag]

nope

I swear it did I just checked yesterday

[finite crag]

it doesn't

Maybe I'm thinking of crispy
But does crispy have that?

upscaling and texture filter mode isn't in dsda

I mean

[finite crag]

idk

Texture filtering I hate anyways so

I like it pixely
Looks less blurry

[finite crag]

texture filtering makes the distance texture not look pixelated

I'm gonna check later

[finite crag]

i don't very like it pixely, that's why i use prboom, you can turn texture filter on

I might just make a shortcut to my prboom folder then

[finite crag]

Texture filter pixely close and far or?

[finite crag]

close textures aren't pixely, the further textures are without texture filter

I see

Personally I don't really mind

[finite crag]

i mind

that's why i use prboom

i use dsda for only video/demo recordings

[finite crag]

i'll start playing scythe 2 map29

[torpid radish]

so i beat episode 1

ending was cool. got confused by the teleporter thing but i guess its supposed to kill you

[loud elm]

I finished Thy Flesh Consumed!

So hyped for Doom II

[next dagger]

Doom 2 is way better than E4 so have fun

[finite crag]

Favorite doom episode imho

Romero is a sadistic fuck but he’s great at what he does

[next dagger]

Unofficial but best episode is No Rest. Even tho its on the forbidden port

other than prolly E1

[dapper flint]

Ehhh nice to see you

[finite crag]

scythe 2 ep1 or what

btw

I finished scythe 2 map29

took me way longer than expected

somewhat scarce ammo, super shotgun: the map, boring, slow, and not very much monsters

i don't really like it

i think it's the second weakest map in scythe 2

behind MAP31

okay... now the final map...

[gusty falcon]

Yeah long time so see indeed

[halcyon willow]

Outside of doomworld gzdoom is far more popular.

Popular isn't quite the right word. More widely used

I think even within doomworld gzdoom came out as the the most commonly used port the last time someone did a poll

[gusty falcon]

Not surprised it's the one port everyone recommends on YouTube and the port among the other zdoom family ports that has ui that anyone comming into it from modern pc gaming would likely recognize.

[next dagger]

imo nothing even compares to GZ. its not even a question whether I recommend it over others (unless you want to play Multiplayer)

[remote cedar]

What's a good way to play multiplayer?

[dull snow]

Zandronum tends to handle the bulk of maps, there's also Odamex or ZDaemon

[next dagger]

There isnt a really a "good" way but Zandronum is the best way.

[remote cedar]

Oh ok, I already have Zandronum so that's good

[next dagger]

yeah I wish they would update the layout so it doesnt work and look like a server list from 2003

but its theyre app

so meh

[torpid radish]

knee deep in the dead

first time playing

[dapper flint]

I like how I couldn't get eternity to work on my fucking monster rig but like a dream on my school laptop

[royal heron]

Wow

[jaunty ravine]

What is myhouse.wad I keep hearing about it

[dapper flint]

Very fun wad. Probably a must play this year

Weird good fun

[jaunty ravine]

Alright I’ll give it a shot I guess

[dapper flint]

Didn't want to spoil but basically walking around a very well designed doom cute house with demons and weird neat things along the way

[lyric umbra]

i’m too scared to play it

[grizzled swan]

Are the quake expansions worth playing?

If so, which ones?

[silent remnant]

yes, and all of them

[grizzled swan]

Am i supposed to play them in any specific order?

[silent remnant]

nah. there's barely a story. play them however you want.

[grizzled swan]

Alr cool, thanks

[jaunty ravine]

Ok I’m confused this is pretty normal

I have no idea where these secrets could be

[royal heron]

Have you gotten some of the secrets?

[jaunty ravine]

Never mind apparently the wad is different

I got it now

[royal heron]

Yeah the wad is different

The pk3 is the good one

[jaunty ravine]

Uhh so can I play this if I can barely handle horror

[ionic sluice]

You’ll probably live through it

[royal heron]

I would say that it's kinda like psychological horror, it relies on the mind

But otherwise it's not that scary

Very unnerving at times

I will tell you something though

There's no good outcome from a house fire.

[jaunty ravine]

Well I have now gotten 2 of what I’m assuming is several more endings

I don’t understand how this map works in the slightest but it was cool

[analog ridge]

I should give Pluchaingunia another try

[next dagger]

I believe it uses a mod where you can see whats on the other side of teleporters and then it removes the animation for teleporting. Even something as simple as having 2 rooms on top of each other in the base house is completely impossible on Doom's engine so it has to change the map or your location in some way every time you walk through a doorway

Just finished Dusk for the first time. Holy shit those last 2 levels are fucking bonkers. Biggest arena fight in any game like ever followed by 3 boss fights

[vestal flare]

does anyone know if there's a reelism discord?

I absolutely adore reelism and would like to find more mods for it

[next dagger]

I cannot get over Stephan being at the end of Dusk bro I am so happy lmao

[vast reef]

gz is basically a classic doom remaster/remake with the right mods

[spice radish]

He’s also in ULTRAKILL which is really cool to see.

[vast reef]

i switched when somebody told me gz wouldn't be accepted in speedruns

[dense plinth]

na GZDoom isn't the classic experience

you can alter the settings to emulate a classic experience

but by default it's pretty far from classic

[vast reef]

yes

[dense plinth]

stuff like environmental lighting, effect translucency, different compatibility settings which alter hitboxes and whatnot, different rendering mode, different tonemap

[vast reef]

but why would you spend time making gzdoom look and play like vanilla when you could just get a vanilla port that fully emulates it

[dense plinth]

well I did because I basically wanted Chocolate/Crispy Doom with mods

that would be why

[vast reef]

ah, for mods

yeah that's fair

problem is quite a few mods kinda break with that setup

[dense plinth]

yeah, it's the compatibility and software rendering that breaks them

[naive plover]

Yeah definitely

[next dagger]

sometimes the classic isnt usually what we want

[vast reef]

if you're gonna take (vanilla) doom seriously, turn off freelook, jump, and crouch

that's really about it when it comes to gz

[azure nimbus]

Gz isn't unique in having a jump button and freelook

[vast reef]

yes but we're talking about gz here

doesn't dsda also have jump and (limited) freelook

[finite crag]

every port does now doesn't it lol

[dense plinth]

and disable texture filtering

that's the most important thing

[finite crag]

opinions on doom sourceport 3d models

[vast reef]

yucky with the exception of voxel doom

[finite crag]

oh god they're so cursed

i tried the vavoom ones

peak.

i can't tell if my experience with vavoom ui or the 3d models was worse tho

[dense plinth]

🤮

even voxel doom doesn't look the best for me

I like voxels lightly implemented into doom environments, but regarding enemies they're meh

[finite crag]

So is 3dge worth getting now or should I wait for rott support

[dense plinth]

dunno

[remote cedar]

I've seen a video on Voxel Doom

I quite like it actually!

[finite crag]

If rott support is good I'll be very happy

[remote cedar]

It's probably because I'm used to seeing voxels in Mega Man 8-bit Deathmatch for some of the platform-based weapons / items

[finite crag]

I still need to play some of that

They added MMPU bosses right

I forgot

[remote cedar]

It's been a while since they added MMPU bosses yeah

Right now they have maps for MM1 to MM10 Robot Masters, including MMPU, MM&B and Wily Tower

As well as the Wily stages

[finite crag]

What about R&F2

[remote cedar]

They don't have maps for those but they did include the Rockman & Forte 2 Robot Masters in the MM&B Intro Stage map, being the Robot Museum

they're sealed under domes of glass like you see in Mega Man 7

I highly recommend you play MM8BDM. Just don't involve yourself too much in the community and you should be fine

[finite crag]

Community?

[remote cedar]

Yes

Mega Man 8-bit Deathmatch has its own community that is (for the most part) separate from the Doom community

[finite crag]

Is it bad or good?

[remote cedar]

Bad

[finite crag]

Oh...

That's not so good is it

What makes it so bad?

[remote cedar]

Basically Doom players don't like them and they don't like Doom players

[finite crag]

That's
Odd

[remote cedar]

• toxic mentality and an obsession on playing competitive classes mods

[finite crag]

M8bd could never replace doom for me
But it's fun

[remote cedar]

Of course, the game itself is fun

[finite crag]

Kinda weird about the community thing tho
At the end of the day it's basically just doom

[remote cedar]

The singleplayer campaign is pretty cool especially since you alternate between playing Deathmatch on most maps and fighting bosses like you're in coop mode at the end of each chapter

It's a huge Doom mod that has come so far ever since it started development over 10 years ago

[finite crag]

Speaking of doom modding and megaman
Has anyone been able to make a 2d platformer in doom lol

[remote cedar]

A... 2D platformer?

[dense plinth]

I don't remember any

[remote cedar]

I mean it's kinda weird that you'd want to make a 2D platformer in a 3D engine in the first place

[dense plinth]

people translate 2D games to 3D games in doom usually, not the other way around

[remote cedar]

If Doom was 2D I think it'd play a bit like Contra

[dense plinth]

like Sonic, Hocus Pocus, Megaman

[atomic dust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2nlgUJfPUI

this level has such a cool concept. it's mostly the first level of episode 3 but when you get to the end, things become different

[trim nest]

why cant i get past the first stages in any doom levels?

like, doors wont open and shit

now it did nvm

and now it wont

[narrow condor]

Some doors are opened through switches.

[trim nest]

what switches

im in the first level xD

like, it feels like it just opens when it wants to. it opens very rarely

they just wont open

[tacit remnant]

There are 3 kinds of doors
-doors you open normally
-doors with a remote switch
-doors that open when you cross an invisible linedef in the level geometry

[trim nest]

tf

[tacit remnant]

Classic Doom has a lot of dungeon crawler level design. Doors you need to open to progress are usually normal doors, doors to secret areas usually open remotely, and the “cross a line” doors are mostly for traps to let more monsters into the room

[trim nest]

wdym "open normally"? they just dont open

[tacit remnant]

If you’re using default input config, press space to open doors

E doesn’t do anything by default IIRC

[trim nest]

now thats what i like to see

thanks for the help

[tacit remnant]

I forgot that space is the default interact button

[trim nest]

lol np

[tacit remnant]

Since there’s no alt fire or anything I set interact to right click

[trim nest]

mhhm

[remote cedar]

I spent the whole day yesterday just redownloading the Add-ons that Bethesda made available to Doom Classic

It works miles better now. Can't believe they managed to fuck up dowloading and applying WADs.

[vast reef]

yes

[vast reef]

just for the heck of it tbh

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GreenL3gacy (@GreenL3gacy)

Time to make it playable!
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and forestale

[remote cedar]

What the heeeeeeeelll

Bro really went ahead and used GZDoom for his 2D platformer

[vast reef]

just change the camera angle 🤷

it's a cool feat though

[remote cedar]

It's still such a weird choice to use GZDoom of all engines to make a 2D platformer

[vast reef]

yep, that's the weird part

[remote cedar]

Bro's got dedication

[vast reef]

maybe they were really comfortable with zscript?

[zenith berry]

Basically with the GZDoom engine, you can do ANYTHING. As long as you know how. But it's all possible.

@remote cedar

[remote cedar]

Yeah I'm not really surprised

It's just puzzling that you'd choose GZDoom over any other engine / game-making program to make a 2D platformer

[vast reef]

gzdoom's just a weird general-purpose engine atp

they've made shmups in gzdoom

[atomic dust]

the secret levels in Ultimate Doom are just… weird

Fortress Of Mystery only exists to show how useful monster infighting can be and Warrens is mostly episode 3’s first map until the end

[remote cedar]

I mean, I'll be honest

out of all the secret maps in UD, Warrens is the best

you just play the level like normal and then it throws a Cyberdemon at you

it's not even challenging but it scares you

[jaunty ravine]

I wanna start playing more doom mods

Does anyone have recommendations

[azure nimbus]

scythe2 is a great place to start

[next dagger]

whats the new addon they put in

[atomic dust]

just wanted to ask, I decided to use a source port, and which one is the best for vanilla-accurate gameplay?

[next dagger]

Chocolate doom

Well not vanilla in regards to modern bethesda version but Chocolate Doom is closest to classic Dos as possible other than Dosbox which is a pain

[azure nimbus]

DSDA has all the vanilla compatability as chocolate while also letting you play boom,mbf, or mbf21 stuff too

[atomic dust]

what about prBoom+

[next dagger]

GZDoom is by far the best. its totally customizable but you can just change settings where its like vanilla

[azure nimbus]

Gz doom is Not vanilla compat

[next dagger]

wym

[azure nimbus]

prb+b is fine though there is no reason to not use dsda. It is in many ways, an updated prb+ like prb+ is an updated prb

[atomic dust]

Heretic and Hexen support

[azure nimbus]

I mean that it does not accurately emulate the vanilla doom2 executable. Identical inputs on dos compared to gz will have different outcomes v unlike dsda on complevel 2 which will run exactly the same. Gz settings can make it look similar to vanilla(though I can never get the hud right) and turn off freelook and activate inf height, but it's just not am accurate emulation. The physics are slightly different and the rng differs

[next dagger]

I mean GZ is just vanilla with high resolution and fps

[azure nimbus]

that's not true at all

[next dagger]

sorry... FEELS like vanilla with high res and fps. I am aware its different but thats cuz its better

[azure nimbus]

Physics is different. rng is different. Hitboxes are different

[next dagger]

lmao

[azure nimbus]

It's similar enough that some people don't notice until apparently, they realize that they're lying and admit that there are differences

[next dagger]

omg bro calm down jesus christ

What did GZ doom do to you

[azure nimbus]

One of the biggest differences us hitscan. Gz doesn't seem to have blockmap issues with hitscan weapon and is much easier to land melee on large monsters

[tepid tulip]

If you want more a vanilla experience just play Crispy Doom

Or Chocolate, but I would recommend Crispy Doom more