Oh yes. I heard about Wolf3D. It's been a while where Blake Stone was better tbh
#classic-doom
dense plinth
1.3k I think
finite crag
Hexen is more like a Hub layout - a lot of backtracking without much guidance
long sedge
hexen is like if searching for secrets in a doom map was required
finite crag
1.3k I think
1830 PWADS, according to the Doom wiki
dense plinth
ahh
long sedge
but the hub and spokes layout doesnt make it so cryptic
dense plinth
spear of destiny's mission packs require secret hunting to finish the levels
finite crag
Ahh
dense plinth
I just use the overhead maps to tell me where to go
finite crag
Makes sense
dense plinth
I'm actually enjoying return to danger more than base SOD when I'm using the maps to show me where to go
mainly because RTD doesn't kick your ass as hard
finite crag
True
dense plinth
I still die in RTD but unlike my SOD deaths I feel like my deaths are easily preventable next time
SOD I would die over and over in the same places despite knowing what to expect
finite crag
Sounds challenging. KDIZD was similar - with each level it had more tougher enemies but clever layouts
dense plinth
when making SOD id basically had the idea of "this is for the people who have mastered wolf 3d already", at least that's what I gather
although their level balancing is very inconsistant
finite crag
I got ya. Those hitboxes didn't help
dense plinth
levels 5, 8, 16 and 19 are much harder than the rest of the levels in the expansion
finite crag
Interesting
I was trying to attach an image and wondered why it didn't work but I forgor you couldn't send pics in general
dense plinth
and since 19 is the secret level you enter after level 4, you have to play 19 and 5 back to back
finite crag
That's ok Lavenza
That is a different way of level design/secret levels
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Maximum_Doom the most informed article on maximum Doom I could find
long sedge
i remember playing some of these levels as a kid
they were really fucked up that i thought they were a fever dream i misremembered
dense plinth
they're basically just more master levels
finite crag
Back when you got massive value for your money. At least games are still like that and the Doom community is alive with plenty to play
dense plinth
maximum doom is basically the first instance of what level editors in fps games are today
like forge in Halo, and snapmaps in 2016
finite crag
Well that I didn't know. Thanks for explaining and the info about this. Ah SnapMaps
dense plinth
you had to buy maximum doom but you got 1800 community made levels
finite crag
Back when DosGames were about $40 to $50 average
finite crag
Awesome
finite crag
maximum doom is basically the first instance of what level editors in fps games ...
wasn't there a level editor for Wolf 3D?
dense plinth
and it's easy enough to load the wads with zdl and whatnot
dense plinth
wasn't there a level editor for Wolf 3D?
yeah there was
Wolf 3D had the super upgrades disk
which was the same thing, like 1.5k+ levels
finite crag
you really couldn't do something like that nowadays
Wow. Hours of hours, watching pixels in a RayCasting environment
empty valley
does anyone know what is max attack range for archvile? I know it has infinite range when it gets hurt but what is the standard range?
finite crag
Let me check
Ok. On the Wiki page - it doesn't say the range but the damage is 20 Direct / 0-70 blast radius with 700HP and a map speed of 262.5 map units per second
according to the doom wiki, "though they will not use their attack from more than 896 map units away unless hurt"
There you go. Thanks
Timing is important. Super Shotgun when casting, which is about I think 2-3 seconds to charge up. 4 shots point blank range is ideal and one can interrupt them
dense plinth
wolf 3d also had a level generator in the super upgrades disk, which was theoretically supposed to just create randomized levels to play
finite crag
Nice
dense plinth
as you can probably imagine it wasn't all that balanced
finite crag
Oh I could. More than 1000 maps, keeping it random without being too long is not easy to do
dense plinth
too long wasn't really an issue since all the levels had a limited amount of space to be generated in
finite crag
Timing is important. Super Shotgun when casting, which is about I think 2-3 seco...
you have only a 47 % to make them go in their pain state if you hit every pellet
these fuckers have a 3,1% pain chance
dense plinth
I can't remember exactly how many tiles of space you had, but all wolf 3d levels exist within a perfect square that's the same size
you don't have to use the full space of course
but there is a size limit
finite crag
Some can do it. But unless you had SuperCharge/Invulnerability, it was dangerous. True, it's a balancing act
And how many items/enemies/etc had an impact on performance. Similar to Doom Builder - the more static items (flaming barrels for example) than dynamic made a difference
finite crag
And how many items/enemies/etc had an impact on performance. Similar to Doom Bui...
it's easier to do now, with tools like GZDoom and better PCs but still
Oh very much so
I've seen it with similar games - compression helps
and Id software are optimization gods tbh
like in general
Oh they are. 2016 was the perfect example of optimization. So much in the levels but the detail was phenomenal
Doom 2016 - 8GB Ram. Custom Doom Wad - 16GB Ram. Wouldn't be surprised if that happened
I'm surprised how well Doom Eternal runs on a base PS4. 60 FPS, high quality models and textures, and not hiccups or slowdowns
They went above and beyond with those games. Although it's not like Doom, Prodeus feels like Brutal Doom/Eternal
But I did enjoy the arcade feel in Eternal
Eternal is so fast and frantic, playing it actually hurts my eyes because I think I don't blink when playing it
I read someone said it's like the world's fastest game of chess. They were right
finite crag
Fair enough. I've seen on Youtube MasterZero who plays it on PC with very fast weapon switches. It's all a blur
Are we talking about modern doom in the classic section
This is illegal
dense plinth
how about you take it up with joe
finite crag
Sure
long sedge
dont ask who joe is
dense plinth
joe mama
long sedge
nobody asked
dense plinth
nobody had to
long sedge
if you click on it you just get chaingunner'd
finite crag
It's more than that
It's a lifestyle
dense plinth
is PL2 harder than PL
finite crag
there wouldn't be much to talk about
remote cedar
I had no idea they made a Plutonia 2
I hope it also has an archvile in the first map
finite crag
I had no idea they made a Plutonia 2
it's an unofficial sequel
long sedge
isnt it unofficial
finite crag
yeah it's a fan thing
long sedge
i dont think they got any casali bros on it
finite crag
i dont think they got any casali bros on it
nope
dense plinth
there's a PL3 already but it was made by some guy who didn't know much about map making
also TNT Revilution exists, the unofficial sequel to Evilution
finite crag
oh thank god Plutonia 2 doesn't end with another Icon of Sin fight
dense plinth
oh thank god Plutonia 2 doesn't end with another Icon of Sin fight
lame
also Plutonia 2 lore is wild
finite crag
whos gonna tell them
it may be an icon of sin but it's not just the same method as Doom 2 and Plutonia
(think so anyway, reading from the wiki entry)
long sedge
yeah it doesnt use a lift
dense plinth
after Plutonia experiment failed the whole thing was shut down
long sedge
but its still an icon of sin
dense plinth
doomguy retired
long sedge
just not as obnoxious
dense plinth
he became a politician
finite crag
just not as obnoxious
good
dense plinth
he co founded the Union Aerospace Armed Forces
finite crag
he became a politician
oh so like Duke Nukem Forever
dense plinth
the UAAF was shut down for its unethical brutality
doomguy was discredited as a politician
he quit cause he sucked at it anyway
Plutonia Experiment resumed despite his and the UAAF's efforts to keep it dead
reports of demonic invasion start up again so doomguy grabs his pistol and drives out to the facility to deal with it himself
felt like I was reading a saga of sorts
finite crag
which enemies were the most annoying in Plutonia to you guys? to me it was the chaingunners
at least Revenant fireballs can be dodged
dense plinth
archviles
long sedge
if all revenants were replaced with archviles i would be happy
finite crag
I think we should've had one more Archevile in UV so we could have 100 archeviles in total
Apologies for talking about Eternal in the Classic section. Just the classics reminds me of the newer games. And vice versa
This was fun. Heading off and thanks for the chat. All the best
atomic dust
I'm pretty sure Revenants are more common than Imps in Plutonia
they are everywhere in that one, alongside Chaingunners and Arch-Viles
just found out, Imps are slightly more common than Revenants in that wad, but still
I think Revenants are fun to fight and Chaingunners are okay, but honestly, they are way too overused in Plutonia
long sedge
i hate fighting revenants and i revel in getting a hell knight to beat their bony asses
atomic dust
honestly though, Plutonia is one of the best official Classic Doom wads imo
I enjoy its difficulty
dense plinth
it's better than Doom 2
atomic dust
i hate fighting revenants and i revel in getting a hell knight to beat their bon...
I don't really see a problem with Classic Revenants tbh. they are kinda squishy and their homing fireballs aren't really hard to avoid
dense plinth
dunno if it's better than NRFTL though
atomic dust
I like NRFTL more
dense plinth
I'd probably say NRFTL is better yeah
long sedge
they're not squishy enough for me
atomic dust
NRFTL overall feels more balanced and polished
long sedge
if they went down with one ssg shot i would be fine with them
dense plinth
perks of coming out like 15 years later
long sedge
also i wish their rocket trail was more obvious
atomic dust
gotta say, Plutonia and No Rest For The Living make base Doom II look amateurish in comparison
long sedge
theres just too much guesswork for them
they have too much health for how skinny they are
dense plinth
I mean Doom 2 was mostly delegated to Sandy Peterson
he's not a bad level designer by any means but majority of the whole game was on him pretty much
atomic dust
the Arch-Vile placements in Plutonia are sometimes just really evil. they sometimes are inside walls that makes it nearly impossible to normally kill them
tacit remnant
Yeah he had a lot of work and not enough time to do it
dense plinth
pretty sure that's the Petersen map everyone hates
tacit remnant
Barrels O Fun
long sedge
i like downtown and barrels o fun
tacit remnant
Downtown isn’t good by any means but Barrels O Fun, Nirvana, and the Icon of Sin are worse
atomic dust
I'd say Petersen's maps generally are fine
tacit remnant
Agreed
long sedge
whats wrong with nirvana besides being ugly
atomic dust
same, I actually enjoy playing that map
dense plinth
I mean people say Mt Erebus is like, one of the best Doom levels ever made
tacit remnant
The progression makes no damn sense
dense plinth
that was Peterson
long sedge
mt erebus is downtown in hell
long sedge
actually no its like halfway between downtown and suburbs
atomic dust
honestly everytime I reach Mount Erebus I want to get to Warrens fast
long sedge
i can barely remember how to finish mt erebus non-secretly
tacit remnant
I love Tricks and Traps, I love the Citadel, I love Halls of the Damned, and I love House of Pain. There’s plenty of good Peterson maps, but I argue the city maps aren’t among them
atomic dust
I enjoyed Suburbs
long sedge
suburbs teaches how awesome monster infighting is
atomic dust
it's just fighting a horde of demons which is something I like
aside from a big fight in a green field, The Courtyard is forgettable
long sedge
courtyard is good because the following map makes you wish it was courtyard
oh wait someone just said they love citadel
tacit remnant
Courtyard isn’t bad but I like Citadel more
atomic dust
people rip on Nirvana but I actually enjoy playing it lol
long sedge
nirvana is just whatever
but replaying it in honte remastered did trip me up when they put ladders instead of lifts for the platforms at the end
finite crag
Doom 2 level design is very hit or miss. on one hand, you have Suburbs, The Inmost Dens or The Living End. on the other hand there's The Factory, Downtown or The Chasm
Plutonia's levels are a lot tighter
better designed
Doom 2 suffers from having a lot of big, mazy and confusing maps
while Plutonia is usually more compact. Plutonia's worst maps are the big levels with a lot of backtracking
zenith berry
HONTE Remastered - DOOM II if it has the level design principles of Duke Nukem 3D
Although in some places if not most places it is way more detailed than DN3D.
finite crag
I rarely found doom 2 confusing ngl
finite crag
Doom 2 level design is very hit or miss. on one hand, you have Suburbs, The Inmo...
Oh hi
finite crag
I rarely found doom 2 confusing ngl
I already have problems navigating most old shooters (Doom, Blood, Duke 3D, etc) but it doesn't help when some Doom 2 levels are just badly designed
Barrels O Fun had me bamboozled once where I was basically going straight into the hell knight/chaingunner hallway and getting massacred every time
remote cedar
in my opinion Barrels O Fun is genuinely one of the worst Doom 2 maps
- The barrels are NOT fun
- That one section where you're trapped with Pain Elementals and barrels, you have to just get into a corner to hope to clear the Lost Souls THEN then Pain Elementals which take forever with a chaingun
at least there's a megasphere which is nice
finite crag
1. The barrels are NOT fun
2. That one section where you're trapped with Pain El...
And spider mastermind
Although you can get it to infight with arachnotrons
remote cedar
Spider Mastermind ain't that bad
I know I can just take it down with 3 bfg shots max
the structure of that section allows for good cover
ornate vortex
I know I can just take it down with 3 bfg shots max
1 if you’re lucky
azure nimbus
I'm pretty sure Revenants are more common than Imps in Plutonia
422 revs in plutonia and 436 imps.
finite crag
I mean people say Mt Erebus is like, one of the best Doom levels ever made
it's good
finite crag
i can barely remember how to finish mt erebus non-secretly
you have to go through the lava to reach the normal exit, so i just prefer going to E3M9
finite crag
i almost finished scythe 2 and 1
i'm at map26 in each
i know that 14 years passed since Erik Alm said Goodbye to the doom community but if Insane_Gazebo and John Romero did return to doom after several years, i hope that Alm will come back at one day
zenith berry
Saw DOOM sharing this on their IG story and without context, it got me for a brief second; I thought they’re teasing something even new.
remote cedar
Ayyy nice more expansions
hexed escarp
I wish they would make the rerelease support boom and mbf maps
It would greatly widen which addons they could add
Like Eviternity and valiant
forest zodiac
I’d still love to see Scythe
hexed escarp
Am I the only one where there are certain types of game environments (not specific ones but just types) that make me really nostalgic even though I never really played anything or saw any movies with it when I was younger?
For me, one of these is a facility in the mountains
So knee deep in the dead and early tnt trigger that for me
dapper flint
remote cedar
Facility in the mountains is a recurrent environment during World War II, which was expanded further upon in espionage movies such as James Bond
fleet anvil
wa
remote cedar
If you've been to a World War 2 museum when you were younger then that might be the reason why you feel nostalgic seeing that setting
Of course that's just one of the many examples that feature that setting
hexed escarp
Facility in the mountains is a recurrent environment during World War II, which ...
I never saw James bond tho
hexed escarp
If you've been to a World War 2 museum when you were younger then that might be ...
I don't think I have
I'm trying to think of what could be the source of this nostalgia but I'm not sure
fleet anvil
why is map2 so hard
hexed escarp
i beat map 1 of plutonia
Nice
fleet anvil
plutonia is the reason i now hate revenants
hexed escarp
Lol
fleet anvil
it would be fine if there wouldnt always be a chaingunner deleting you from existance
love when you get killed by a chainguner you cant see
finite crag
why is map2 so hard
map02 is easy
fleet anvil
nien
fleet anvil
I BEAT MAP 2
finite crag
i've played some very insane wads, which are much harder than plutonia
finite crag
I BEAT MAP 2
if map02 gave you a lot of trouble, i'm curious how you'll deal with go 2 it
fleet anvil
is that the final map?
finite crag
no
fleet anvil
i think i actually played that one
finite crag
i think i actually played that one
I beat it saveless with no effort, but it kicks beginners' asses
fleet anvil
is it the one where it looks like map1 of doom 2?
finite crag
is it the one where it looks like map1 of doom 2?
yeah
Go 2 it is a slaughtermap-ish map
fleet anvil
i got to a part with 8359837027 revenatnts and like 4 cyberdemons
finite crag
i got to a part with 8359837027 revenatnts and like 4 cyberdemons
i got to the end saveless with absolute ease
fleet anvil
u pro tho
finite crag
u pro tho
I've played very hard wads, but never plutonia
and after i struggled through swtw map02 saveless and dimensions, plutonia was a cakewalk for me, even when i played it blind (for tthe first time)
fleet anvil
what wads have you beaten
finite crag
what wads have you beaten
the only ones i can think of is the iwads except plutonia, swim with the whales maps 01-02 (map03, the final map is brutal, i don't think i will play it in a couple weeks), dimensions (maps 01-03), scythe, sigil (almost), 1monster
and i plan to beat valiant and ancient aliens
sunlust is in plan too, but i have to prepare for it, and i'll play on HMP, because sunlust on UV is above my skill level
fleet anvil
ok
fleet anvil
i finally beat map 3
ornate vortex
Tbh, I found plutonia pretty damn hard when I first played it
I struggled a lot at the start
map 5 was where I took my first death and it was heavy on hitscanners (plus the cruel trap at the end) and from there it only got harder
ornate vortex
sunlust is in plan too, but i have to prepare for it, and i'll play on HMP, beca...
I'm sure you can beat Sunlust UV no problem if you've managed to knock out swim with the whales
They're both about the same level of difficulty
finite crag
I'm sure you can beat Sunlust UV no problem if you've managed to knock out swim ...
i didn't play map03 of swim with the whales yet, i think i'll play it on UV before starting sunlust probably on UV
but i managed to beat map02 saveless after 73 attempts
azure nimbus
what about dimensions?
hexed escarp
i got to the end saveless with absolute ease
Brag much?
ornate vortex
I honestly think Crumpets is easier than Rush and that's saying something
Maybe they're around the same when comparing it to the early maps of rush, but rush's late maps are just a nightmare to speedrun
ruby crater
Rush was fun to play, pretty short too
finite crag
why do i play with opl emulation
is that normal
narrow condor
Yes
verbal stirrup
hey all any tips on e1m4 maze on uv? im currently rushing the corridor with 3 demons and the healthbox, then killing any imps that come in, but whenever i move away from that area i get ambushed by more demons
finite crag
skip it
finite crag
verbal stirrup
https://youtu.be/r8ARffl4X_4
uhh that requires me to sr50 right?
i dont think i can do that on my engine
verbal stirrup
ok
royal heron
Alternatively if you just want to flex skip the maze and skip the yellow key, and just jump over the exit room gap using momentum
But of course since you can't SR50 then you can't do that
wait
wdym by you don't think you can sr50 on your engine?
verbal stirrup
what exactly is "strafe on"
royal heron
What do you play on?
verbal stirrup
i play on my fx cg 50 running cgdoom
royal heron
Wait, a calculator?
verbal stirrup
yes
royal heron
In that case I'm not totally sure
dense plinth
odd, dosbox doom doesn't like my mouse for some reason
moving my mouse doesn't do anything, instead it causes framerate lag? odd
oh wait now it works, I had to shoot my gun first
finite crag
That was known to happen in DosBox - mainly was set to use Ctrl - Fire // Alt - Strafe. You'd probably know this but Mouse control in Dos wasn't used. Keyboard only
finite crag
Oh that I know. Earlier games didn't
dense plinth
yeah
finite crag
I'll use an example - Blake stone did/Wolf 3d // Duke Nukem 2 didn't
dense plinth
Wolf 3d did
finite crag
Oh yes
dense plinth
the mouse was meant to be your primary input for wolf 3d actually
finite crag
Seeing the demo of BJ running through with the mouse
dense plinth
since you would strafe with it
and could move forward and backward
although moving forward and backward with the keyboard was easier
finite crag
If the sensitivity was high enough it could work. But what I like about GZDoom is that Mouse control works better with WASD
I did get used to using the keys with Ctrl/Alt on older FPS games similar to Doom
finite crag
That works well. I use the Xbox controller with Doom on PC
Making sure when using the Keyboard not to press Ctrl+Alt+Down and the screen flipped on an older OS
dense plinth
my monitor is too big for dos doom
not only do I have black bars to the sides of the game (which is usually the case), I also have black bars top and bottom
finite crag
4.3 Resolution. How it was played on CRT monitors
tacit remnant
Good if a bit mean
finite crag
He was clever making that Sigil wad. With Doom Builder if not mistaken (I could be wrong on that)
atomic dust
I'd say, Petersen's work on Doom II was quite good. he made like half of the maps in the game and a majority of them are good enough
finite crag
Brag much?
?
finite crag
what about dimensions?
i savescummed it
atomic dust
my personal favourite official Classic Doom campaign
the levels look good, lots of demons to fight and good difficulty
and all of the levels are good too, the fights are well made
carmine edge
classic doom is a funny game
hexed escarp
classic doom is a funny game
*fun
carmine edge
its both fun and funny
tacit remnant
The whole series is pretty funny. Especially the PAs in nuDoom and Doom 3’s outrageously terrible workplace safety (not referring to the demons)
I like to imagine that the whole reason they did their teleportation research and such on Mars was so they didn’t have to deal with OSHA breathing down their necks
finite crag
Honestly surprising anything functioned in doom 3’s mars facility
Pretty much everything was breaking down or near shitting the bed and was kept afloat with duct tape
ornate vortex
Today I see a glimpse of hope for beating rush map 12
I absolutely nailed a practice attempt
unfortunately it wasn't a proper run
fleet anvil
map 8 of plutonia
finite crag
is that abattoir?
it's realm
fleet anvil
atleast i beat barons lair deathless
ornate vortex
it's realm
that’s not too hard
finite crag
that’s not too hard
plutonia's early stuff is pretty okay
ornate vortex
abattoir is hard tho, the last room killed me like 6 times on my first playthrough
finite crag
abattoir is hard tho, the last room killed me like 6 times on my first playthrou...
I played map05, 6, 7, 29 and 32 some time ago
i was curious
but the other maps i know basically nothing about
other than the names
fleet anvil
map 10 now
fleet anvil
map 11...
fleet anvil
i just dont know how to beat the maze tbh
narrow condor
The secret will greatly help you with that.
ruby crater
It's always a treat to enjoy a megawad for the first time
whether it is plutonia, rush, ancient aliens, or hell revealed. They all have their own flavor and personalities
inner pond
tch:
gloomy condor
no
finite crag
Honestly surprising anything functioned in doom 3’s mars facility
well there's a reason everything exploded in the second level
finite crag
Hey
finite crag
Interesting point - didn't the UAC have unlimited resources?
sure but that doesn't stop them from cheaping out
it's like Amazon or Google
vast reef
Imagine having infinite cash and still being stingy
a very UAC thing to do
dapper flint
Pretty much any big company ever
finite crag
My rankings of doom 2 mappers
1.John Romero
2.American McGee
3.Sandy Peterson (for barrels o fun)
4.Shawn Green
fleet anvil
john romero hot ngl
narrow condor
Can barrels respawn on nightmare when they leave a corpse?
Barrels get gibbed if they begin to explode and get crushed before the explosion animation can finish. Since lost souls and pain elementals can respawn on nightmare if they leave gibs (under the crusher), I wonder if the same applies to barrels too.
finite crag
Barrels get gibbed if they begin to explode and get crushed before the explosion...
crushed corpses can respawn, and the barrel is considered an enemy, so i think it can
narrow condor
I'll try to replicate this and see if it works.
There's this wad that showcases the gibbing barrel effect but for some reason I can't get it to work with GZDoom (with complevel set to Doom (strict)): https://doomwiki.org/wiki/File:BLDYBRRL.WAD
spice radish
My rankings of doom 2 mappers
1.John Romero
2.American McGee
3.Sandy Peterson (...
Romero and McGee are super talented yeah. Still not forgiving Romero for Perfect Hatred and McGee for Hell Beneath
That’s a good one
finite crag
better than doom 2 for me
finite crag
Romero and McGee are super talented yeah. Still not forgiving Romero for Perfect...
and romero for e4m6
finite crag
Romero and McGee are super talented yeah. Still not forgiving Romero for Perfect...
Mcgee's maps are the most brutal on nightmare, tho maps 03-06 aren't difficult on nm, but the rest of his maps are brutal on nightmare
ornate vortex
I figured out a method to beating crumpets map 6
I'm basically using ancalagon's method but I tweaked certain parts to make it easier
hexed escarp
Romero and McGee are super talented yeah. Still not forgiving Romero for Perfect...
idk i think hell beneath is really cool
ornate vortex
I figured out a method to beating crumpets map 6
the vile jump in that map is god awful with the roaming revenants, so I basically prefire a couple rockets to kill off the revenants and then wake up the arch vile hoping it'll zap me up to the key immediately instead
spice radish
and romero for e4m6
Still a hard map but I still would prefer E4M6 to E4M2 any day
spice radish
idk i think hell beneath is really cool
Oh yeah the level is good but I’m not gonna ignore the dickish traps that I expect of Classic Doom maps
ornate vortex
thy flesh consumed is pretty mediocre imo
There’s definitely some mean levels in there, as well as some good levels and some bad levels
I think it’s a mixed bag
hexed escarp
if it had been ordered differently it would be significantly better
it just suffered from poor progression
like if e4m4 was first
royal heron
Romero and McGee are super talented yeah. Still not forgiving Romero for Perfect...
Still not forgiving Romero for Perfect Hatred
It's one of the best maps though
I used to hate it until I learned the entire thing when I uv-maxed it and later a nm speedrun
night hearth
Is there a discord server for hideous destructor?
jaunty ravine
Does anyone know a mod for gzdoom that removed the fire delay for things like pistol and shotgun
hexed escarp
Does anyone know a mod for gzdoom that removed the fire delay for things like pi...
wdym removed the fire delay
jaunty ravine
theres a small delay between clicking and firing on the pistol and shotgun
hexed escarp
theres a small delay between clicking and firing on the pistol and shotgun
should it be for all of the weapons?
dense plinth
I've never felt a delay on any weapon other than the pistol
finite crag
What about the fist?
hexed escarp
ah ye
finite crag
Although, the Doom Marine can switch from his pistol, take his left glove off and put on Knuckle dusters within a few seconds (unless he wears them while shooting)
narrow condor
You can abuse this delay by taking a teleporter right after pulling the trigger.
You can shoot a rocket or a BFG ball this way in the destination sector without making a sound.
azure nimbus
rocket launcher has a significant delay as well
finite crag
theres a small delay between clicking and firing on the pistol and shotgun
just decrease the duration of the states
atomic dust
Knee Deep In The Dead is my favourite Ultimate Doom episode
Romero’s maps are just legendary
finite crag
Knee Deep In The Dead is my favourite Ultimate Doom episode
Ep1's maps are great, but they blend together, and the high points of ep2 are better than ep1
remote shuttle
is it possible to install Final DOOM with steam://install/2290 ?
sick mist
is it possible to install Final DOOM with steam://install/2290 ?
no
you need to have a license
remote shuttle
rip
finite crag
better than doom 2 for me
Doom 2 is a lot more inconsistent
atomic dust
I like how the Spiderdemon was intentionally made as a joke to deal with in most of its appearances in Doom II
the one in Crusher can be well, crushed with the titular mechanic, the one in Gotcha can be easily provoked to fight the Cyberdemon, the one in Barrels O Fun can be provoked to fight Arachnotrons and the area in Spirit World that has two of them has invulnerabilities
finite crag
Doom 2 is a lot more inconsistent
if tom hall didn't leave id software then doom 2 would have been as consistent as doom 1
ornate vortex
if tom hall didn't leave id software then doom 2 would have been as consistent a...
well, yes and no, doom would’ve been completely different if tom hall didn’t leave
like game wise there would have been a lot of changes
finite crag
i've finished scythe 2 map26
it was...
easy is a wrong word, but it was very very doable
there were no really difficult fights, except when you meet the A-frit
ornate vortex
I beat crumpets map 6
ornate vortex
easy is a wrong word, but it was very very doable
I found that map hard when I played casually
finite crag
I found that map hard when I played casually
i didn't find it hard, except for the afrit fight
ornate vortex
I beat crumpets map 6
This is also pretty damn tough, especially when you skip the red key fight by arch vile jumping
dapper flint
you need to have a license
zenith berry
like game wise there would have been a lot of changes
We’d have gotten something quite like Half-Life or DOOM 3, 5 years earlier.
finite crag
No rott 😭
ornate vortex
Holy crap Crumpets gets so hard after map 6 💀
ornate vortex
i beat hunted
W
fleet anvil
👍
finite crag
Bonsoir y a t'il des Francophone dans le chat ? 
hexed escarp
wow as soon as i asked this i just beat it
finite crag
Bonsoir y a t'il des Francophone dans le chat ? <:doomguy_cautious_l:24228455373...
Non
dapper flint
whats the best strategy for icon of sin phase 2
Icon of sin phase 2?
dapper flint
Because he was being nice pepe
English only no French chat in this discord for some reason
hexed escarp
Icon of sin phase 2?
oh shoot, meant to put this in the eternal channel
lol
yes doom 2 map30 icon of sin phase 2
romero grows legs and starts chasing you around
dapper flint
Hahahahahaha I'd pay for that
hexed escarp
Hahahahahaha I'd pay for that
The gzdoom corruption cards mod actually has smthn like this
dapper flint
Corruption gets aids fast unfortunately
hexed escarp
On any map that has an icon of sin, it always gives you the option for a card that replaces the icon with a custom enemy who's sprite is Mecha Hitler from w3d with Romero's head and he shoots lasers and does other attacks and changes the music to hate machine
finite crag
Pourquoi tu dis non si tu réponds en français...
Je ne sais pas
jaunty jetty
finite crag
What about it
hexed escarp
is it possible to open a map from a pk3 file in udb?
grizzled temple
Doom community. I must ask another question. I have just recently beat doom chapter 3. I have heard chapter 4 is bad due to it's difficulty, but what do you guys think? Is it worth playing?
narrow condor
If you struggle with the difficulty, you can always try again with a lower skill level. I think the map design is quite decent and the episode is worth playing.
grizzled temple
How is it compared to the other chapters? I heard it's not as good
narrow condor
I don't think it's that bad at all.
grizzled temple
ok
I'll probably play it after doom 2. Thx tho. I will be trying chapter 4. But...I did hear you had to beat cyberdemon again (my least favorite enemy in doom 1993) so idk
hexed escarp
I'll probably play it after doom 2. Thx tho. I will be trying chapter 4. But...I...
there are multiple cyberdemons
tacit remnant
Cyberdemons return in Doom 2 as well
grizzled temple
I think I knew that there was multiple
tacit remnant
You won’t need to rocket dual him from now on though
grizzled temple
That is what I'm afraid of
tacit remnant
Plasma makes him much easier to deal with
grizzled temple
I mean doom 2 has him literally on the cover
Alright I'm going to start playing doom 2 right now
for the first time
wish me luck doom community
azure nimbus
Doom community. I must ask another question. I have just recently beat doom chap...
consider playing it after doom2. e4 was released after d2
grizzled temple
I know
tacit remnant
Cyberdemons don’t take splash damage so he’s not so bad if you have plasma weapons. Just have to be careful about his rockets
grizzled temple
But it isnt really necessary to the lore
azure nimbus
cybers are just not that threatening in doom2.
grizzled temple
Cyberdemons don’t take splash damage so he’s not so bad if you have plasma weapo...
Ok. I was playing with my dad (he was just watching) and were surprised how long it took to kill him
azure nimbus
Certainly, they're monsters in custom content but they are not placed in threatening positions in doom2 or doom1 except e4m2 if you don't know the secret and e4m6
grizzled temple
May doom gods smile upon me
tacit remnant
If you have the BFG you can even twoshot cybers (this does take some practice though)
azure nimbus
It's a big skill, but not one you really need to worry about for vanilla doomin
azure nimbus
you pull the trigger right after the first rocket. Then you make sure you're right up close to him for all the tracers to land
grizzled temple
I mean the final boss of doom literally gets killed in three shots of the bfg, so I'm not really surprised
hexed escarp
yeah spiderdemon has less health than cyberdemon
azure nimbus
they have 3k health and the bfg can do upwards of a bit over 3k. But it usually won't due to RNG and bad hitscan detection on extremely large enemies
tacit remnant
Yup. Basically the BFG shot has 2 parts: the ball and the tracers. When the ball hits something you launch a cone of invisible hitscan tracers in the direction you were facing when you fire the ball. The tracers work kind of like a shotgun of sorts and they do ridiculous damage if you can hit a target with both
grizzled temple
Yeah i thought it was 2 but when i beat him it took 3
azure nimbus
were probably far away or angled weirdly
hexed escarp
yeah it does different amounts depending on how many of the tracers land
grizzled temple
I was pretty close
hexed escarp
huh, maybe just bad rng then
hexed escarp
Doom community. I must ask another question. I have just recently beat doom chap...
also another incentive to play episode 4 is that afterwards you can play the absolutely excellent episode 5
and episode 6 when it comes out
grizzled temple
Wait what
tacit remnant
Using cheats to get the BFG in E2M8 is the most common way to practice twoshotting a cyber, but yeah you don’t need to be able to for the official content
hexed escarp
Wait what
in 2019, John Romero, one of the original level designers of doom released an unofficial episode 5 that you could download as a mod
tacit remnant
Sigil. Mod made by the episode 1 designer
tacit remnant
It’s pretty good. Sigil 2 is currently in development
hexed escarp
for dooms 30th birthday this year he is gonna release Sigil 2, which will be episode 6
i really really liked sigil
it has fun gameplay and absolutely amazing atmosphere
grizzled temple
Cool
tacit remnant
Just maybe don’t do Sigil on UV first time through. It’s pretty nasty on UV
hexed escarp
Just maybe don’t do Sigil on UV first time through. It’s pretty nasty on UV
yeah
grizzled temple
I'll play all this tommorow. Im gonna set up brutal doom black edition
crap i dont know how to set it up
I gtg anyway
See ya tommorow, doom community. Tommorow I'll play doom 2
for the first time
ruby crater
Sigil’s level with those two cyberdemons you can’t kill is wicked fun
I think it’s the 4th or 5th one?
azure nimbus
I think it’s the 4th or 5th one?
you can telefrag them. it's m5. the telefrag only opens after doing most of the level
ruby crater
Oh yea? Figured, but never explored enough to find out how
spice radish
Just maybe don’t do Sigil on UV first time through. It’s pretty nasty on UV
All of Sigil is brutal. Just what I would expect from Romero though lol
tacit remnant
Yeah. Less so on HMP though
finite crag
i played sigil again recently
idk i didn't find it too fun for some reason
clear basin
Hey
finite crag
Yeah. Less so on HMP though
It's not too hard on UV either, E5M5 is the only map that gave me some trouble so far
fleet anvil
i hate map 12
finite crag
you know what? i'll start sunlust
i don't care
i want to unlock a lot of doom for myseld
myself
i know that maps 1-23 aren't too bad, but from map24 it's very tough
not on UV, i'll start it on HMP
i literally can't play the late levels on UV
or i think i can't
ornate vortex
do whatever difficulty you think is good for you
my suggestion however is that you could always start on uv and if it gets too hard, switch to hmp
finite crag
do whatever difficulty you think is good for you
i'll go through sunlust on HMP first, then i will try UV
finite crag
my suggestion however is that you could always start on uv and if it gets too ha...
nah, i don't like switching difficulties in the middle of the game
ornate vortex
I also just beat crumpets map 7
finite crag
nah, i don't like switching difficulties in the middle of the game
i'll go through it on HMP first, then UV, and then i try to single-segment the maps on UV
ornate vortex
I also just beat crumpets map 7
it’s called Frog and Toad, which kinda confuses me since Ribbiks also made a wad called frog and toad
nevertheless the start was very hard
Now i’m going onto the hardest map in crumpets tho
which is map 8 (Shamu)
ornate vortex
thanks. Been on a roll recently with these maps and it’s bound to go downhill somewhere
finite crag
thanks. Been on a roll recently with these maps and it’s bound to go downhill so...
i bet i'll give the X or X+ overall difficulty rating on sunlust when i finish it, or atleast when i finish it on UV
finite crag
Sunlust doesn’t start off hard
i know that the early maps doesn't screw you up
yeah the later levels
ornate vortex
Sunlust i found began to ramp a lot in difficulty on map 15
finite crag
Sunlust i found began to ramp a lot in difficulty on map 15
i heard that map24 is where it gets brutal
ornate vortex
yeah, that’s when it becomes more than just hard
maps 28, 29 and 30 are just extremely hard
azure nimbus
15's fights are probably harder than 24's but 15 is short
finite crag
maps 28, 29 and 30 are just extremely hard
i heard about map28 and 30, dunno about 29
ornate vortex
oh trust me, map 29 is brutal
even just by looking at the name of the level, you know you’re in for a rough session
finite crag
even just by looking at the name of the level, you know you’re in for a rough se...
so it's the one which is called "Go Fuck Yourself"?
ornate vortex
yes
finite crag
ohhh
azure nimbus
finite crag
i don't want to spoil it for myself
ornate vortex
Crumpets is actually easier than I thought it would be
azure nimbus
The beginning at least is brutal if you play pistol start. Which you have to if you take the normal exit from 28
but the rest is honestly fine
finite crag
The beginning at least is brutal if you play pistol start. Which you have to if ...
i'll play on a pistol start but i'll take the non-death exit on map28
i want to torture mys-
ornate vortex
ive got about another year or two of speedrunning before I even think about attempting sunlust
but I honestly think after i’ve finished scythe II uv max speedrun, i’ll start getting into a much harder territory
probably starting with combat shock 2
finite crag
i've finished map01
good introduction
i like the yellow theme
about the map, it was easy
no trouble
finished map02
i died once but i wasn't paying attention
it wasn't harder than map01 just a bit more complicated
but yeah, ezpz
finite crag
finished map03
pretty much the same as map02 but it's a bit more complicated
map04: "sol" lol
oh yeah, i go for 100% kills and secrets
forgot to mention
finished map04
harder than the previous 3 maps but shorter and punchier
i found the plasma secret at the end 👍
finite crag
finished map05
same as map04, but with more enemies
i don't like that you have to step on those armor bonus floors to get access to the exit
finite crag
finished map06
that last secret
spent 10 minutes findimg it
and the text screen is.. i don't know xd
i think i'll continue later
dapper flint
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRrgIgFKrSg&list=PL6z3JwchtJUHNZ0peyHbGrkDmmZ_1q...
Self promo ew
azure nimbus
make sure to drop a dislike
remote cedar
Dislike, unsubscribe and hit that flag 💪
finite crag
i finished scythe 2 map27
oh my god
definitely the hardest map in scythe 2
that mountain fight, it's just a psychopathy
but it's a bit strange that i died less times than in map23
i died here i think 10 or 15 times
and in map23 it's definitely above 20
remote cedar
Finished Doom 1993 UV max without freelook this time
I'm playing Thy Flesh Consumed right now and it's kicking my ass
the first map just loves shotgunners and teleports a bit too much
finite crag
Finished Doom 1993 UV max *without* freelook this time
👍
finite crag
I'm playing Thy Flesh Consumed right now and it's kicking my ass
i played tfc, but i dunno what it would be for me after playing insane wads
finite crag
I haven't played insane wads yet
ohh, there's a lot
remote cedar
yeah I know Sunlust can kick your ass for a buck and a half
finite crag
I tried Plutonia's MAP01
you don't say it's hard
remote cedar
I do, but it's probably because I didn't know what to expect
finite crag
yeah I know Sunlust can kick your ass for a buck and a half
& dimensions, swtw, scythe 2's later maps
remote cedar
I knew about the archvile in the first map which was actually not that much trouble
finite crag
I do, but it's probably because I didn't know what to expect
i played plutonia map01 for the first time after months not too long ago, i didn't remember anything, but i still blazed through it with ease
finite crag
yeah I know Sunlust can kick your ass for a buck and a half
sunlust's early maps are doable
the later maps kick your ass hardly
now i'm starting scythe 2 map28
after map27, none of the maps can be harder
afterlife II left me powerless
atomic dust
i played plutonia map01 for the first time after months not too long ago, i didn...
I’m pretty sure Plutonia is baby-tier compared to custom maps in recent years
finite crag
I’m pretty sure Plutonia is baby-tier compared to custom maps in recent years
yeah, definitely
child's play compared to scythe 2's later maps for example
i finished map27 a few hours ago
it's definitely the grindiest, hardest, and frustrating map in scythe 2
finite crag
i finished scythe 2 map28
it almost feels like it's a filler map
after i've been through map23, nightmare (map28) plays like a power fantasy
you can't run out of ammo, you have a bfg, the layout is wide-open
i counted the afrits in this map, and there are 12 of them
they gave me the most trouble in this map
ornate vortex
scythe II map 28 is something I can do saveless somehow
for the maps between 23 and 30, 28 is the easiest
anyways, i'm gonna stop playing doom for the rest of the day
Done 20 attempts for Rush map 12 uv max speedrun (on one attempt I got to the final fight and then died)
I think I can get Rush map 12 done within a couple days
after like 4 weeks of practicing the map (as well as being on and off with breaks)
finite crag
for the maps between 23 and 30, 28 is the easiest
and 27 is the hardest
i think
no map can be harder in scythe 2 than map27
i heard that map29 is also tough, but not as tough as map27
ornate vortex
tbh 29 wasn't a memorable one for me
I just rememeber struggling a lot in it
Scythe II in general was so damn hard at the end
finite crag
Scythe II in general was so damn hard at the end
i think erik alm took drugs before starting to make map23 and 29
lol
azure nimbus
In my second playthrough, I knew the layout and was better with the evil marines so 29 was easy. But 27 is always really long
finite crag
In my second playthrough, I knew the layout and was better with the evil marines...
map27 is the big mama of Scythe 2
rotund dew
sunder map 16 is pure evil
finite crag
sunder map 16 is pure evil
and that's the big mama of sunder
rotund dew
those fights in cramped arenas with unescapable pits 😶
finite crag
i'll continue playing sunlust
from map07
it's the map where i left it in this afternoon
fleet anvil
map 14 of plutonia is very cruel
azure nimbus
note the map number and what's in every secret
finite crag
note the map number and what's in every secret
map07special
i guess
and mancubi
but i didn't see any walls lowering or doors opening or platforms raising after i killed them
wait
oh right
the bfg building wall should have been lowered
i guess
after i kill the mancubi
whatever, i noclipped into the bfg building
finished map08
that first cyberdemon fight was just amazing
i'll play map09 tomorrow
hexed escarp
how do 3d floors in zdoom work?
do they use portals like eternity engine 3d floors?
finite crag
how do 3d floors in zdoom work?
dunno
fleet anvil
i have been taught to hate chaingunners and revenants with every fiber of my being
half way through plutonia!!!!!
(without secret maps)
finite crag
Wait people do secret maps
Like I only do the easy ones or the ones where I can get lots of stuff from
Like map31/32
fleet anvil
map 16 pogger
finite crag
That's an interesting map name
finite crag
Unless it's like e2m9 or map32
wha, how the- the fuck? how the fuck is e2m9 good?
Don't you get a supercharge
Also you skip e2m5
That's why I always play map31
I get to skip 15
And I can start map16 with full HP and armour
fleet anvil
map 17!
azure nimbus
Secret maps bad
Secret maps are often experimental but I don't see a reason to be against them broadly
finite crag
i just don't like playing extra level lol
azure nimbus
You don't have to play any levels
finite crag
well it's mainly that i usually don't gain anything from playing them and they can be hard/annoying so
to me it's like "why bother"
i have some exceptions like e2m9 because i can get stuffs from it
azure nimbus
Maybe because you're playing continuously(not pistol start), you're concerned about overall resources for the wad?
remote cedar
to me it's like "why bother"
you aren't forced to play those maps but they can be an interesting challenge
finite crag
i mean they're challenging but some are just like
Meh
like i don't wanna play e1m9 anymore it's just like "whatever" i guess
it's not that hard of a map i just don't like playing it cause it takes up time and i don't really gain any resources from it
azure nimbus
One of the reasons that I prefer pistol start is that I don't need to worry about planning resources like this several levels down the line
finite crag
i like playing maps in order but idk
azure nimbus
it's the same order
spice radish
Don't you get a supercharge
Ok but E2M9 is poorly made really short, ugly, and boring
The only mildly interesting thing about are the Barons at the beginning
finite crag
but you get a supercharge right
yeah you do
so like
you skip 1/2 a level (e2m5) and get a supercharge
i see that as a win personally
spice radish
You do you. I would still rather play E2M5 all the way through no supercharge then waste my time with E2M9
hexed escarp
what are dummy sectors when it comes to 3d floors
carmine edge
what classic doom is your favorite one outbof doom 1,2 and 64
hexed escarp
what classic doom is your favorite one outbof doom 1,2 and 64
final
dense plinth
what classic doom is your favorite one outbof doom 1,2 and 64
final
actually no I change my answer
No Rest for the Living
finite crag
what classic doom is your favorite one outbof doom 1,2 and 64
Doom 2 as a whole although I think classic Doom peaked with Thy Flesh Consumed
oh yeah nrftl
best one for classic
remote cedar
I beat E4M1 UV 100%
Man that map sucked
I was watching some guy on the internet play it and he said it was the "hardest map in all of E4". Would you guys say that's true?
finite crag
I was watching some guy on the internet play it and he said it was the "hardest ...
e4m6 is harder
finite crag
I was watching some guy on the internet play it and he said it was the "hardest ...
That or m2
remote cedar
idk man m2 doesn't seem too hard so far
Sure there's tons of barons but at least you got ammo to deal with them
tacit remnant
The hardest part of Perfect Hatred is the cacodemons at the start imo. Well that and the weird platforming stuff
charred iron
What is the map 25 empty room secret in doom 2
atomic dust
I'd say my favourite secret map in Ultimate Doom is the one from episode 1
Warrens is an interesting one too. it's mostly the first level of episode 3 but when you get to the exit, it becomes different
remote cedar
finished E4M2 100%
it actually wasn't that bad but the sheer amount of barons and cacos in this level is wild
I got the secret exit too and so far M9 looks like a giant pool of enemies waiting to infight
I just gotta trigger it in em to get the job done in my stead
dense plinth
E4M1 and E4M2 aren't that bad, more tedious than anything
dense plinth
kinda, although I think E4M1 gives you just enough resources to complete it
remote cedar
you have to save up a lot of ammo in order to clear it 100%
sure you could run away from the 5 or so Barons in the map
but where's the fun in that
dense plinth
I mean you do get the rocket launcher and rockets for them
in the secrets
you might not have enough for all of them though
remote cedar
but you have to gather them at the gate in order to minmax the use of rockets
and this is the tricky part
remote cedar
oh it isn't easy at all
dense plinth
I did say it was tedious but I don't think it's entirely unfair
remote cedar
might be one of the hardest maps I've played in Doom 1993
dense plinth
you just have to be strict on what you're doing
remote cedar
And here I was complaining that UV for Doom was too easy
It was before I tried completing TFC
finite crag
I must’ve been blessed by the gods because I had like no problems in E4M1
On UV
It was E4M2 that broke me
remote cedar
I must’ve been blessed by the gods because I had like no problems in E4M1
I mean it really depends, the map isn't very difficult if you don't go for 100%
But I did, so I had to kill all the Barons
finite crag
But I did, so I had to kill all the Barons
how did you kill the barons?
remote cedar
Gather them at the gate-looking linedef
get them to infight with some imps and spectres
finish it off with rockets and shotgun
loud garnet
anyone on
remote cedar
Finished E4M9 and E4M3 100%
honestly it feels like those maps are getting easier and easier
azure nimbus
What is the map 25 empty room secret in doom 2
it has a bfg on lower difficulties which I suppose the mapper couldn't think of a better thing to put in there on UV
atomic dust
would it be worth it to get secrets in Classic Doom games?
I only know of some in the first few levels
like all secrets in Entryway
remote cedar
idk man I just like doing full completion stuff
Some secrets are worth it because you can get strong weapons early
or powerful armor, or a backpack, or a soulsphere
most of these help a lot when you're early into the game
azure nimbus
would it be worth it to get secrets in Classic Doom games?
knowing your way around is how you can beat NM. If you're playing pwads, ya usually want to get as much help as possible. butt the iwads are usually doable regardless
finite crag
I mean it really depends, the map isn't very difficult if you don't go for 100%
Oh that explains it then
I basically ran through the map
royal heron
I’m not crazy enough to play on nightmare
NM is actually quite fun for some maps
marble anchor
i love the urine weapon
atomic dust
what
fleet anvil
map 23 now!
finite crag
honestly it feels like those maps are getting easier and easier
from e4m3 it's pretty easy
except for e4m6
finite crag
this one is probably the easiest map so far
it's the easiest map in tfc, could have been the first map
finite crag
would it be worth it to get secrets in Classic Doom games?
i always go for 100% kills and secrets
even when it's not worth it
finite crag
fleet anvil
map 25!
rotund dew
DO THE SECRET MAPS!!!!
If you're doing a sunlust playthrough, I don't know if you're going to like map 32 😅 but I'm not going to spoil it if you don't know what's coming there
rotund dew
It was E4M2 that broke me
the problem with e4m2 is if you're doing continuous play, you start the level with the beating you took from e4m1 and little to no ammo
rotund dew
you have to save up a lot of ammo in order to clear it 100%
don't use any rockets, don't kill any barons up until the end, enter the red key area and lure the barons to the grate. then send all your rockets against the barons and finish them off with shells or whatever you still have.
azure nimbus
If you're doing a sunlust playthrough, I don't know if you're going to like map ...
hey, least it was short. It really wasn't that bad. Any other level in sunlust having a fight like that would be BS. But for a 2 min map, it's no problem
fleet anvil
map 26!
remote cedar
don't use any rockets, don't kill any barons up until the end, enter the red key...
yeah that's what I did
fleet anvil
map 27!
azure nimbus
of what?
fleet anvil
map 28! (of plutonia)
azure nimbus
oh wow, quick progress then
fleet anvil
im doing hmp tho
finite crag
I play hmp usually
Will I be banned for that statement
Idk I just don't like killing too many enemies
fleet anvil
map 29!!!!
finite crag
Like after a a while it's like
Great
30 pinkies
So challenging
But is it really challenging or just tedious
Hmp is a good skill level for me I think so I play it
I'm probably just weird like that
fleet anvil
cant deny the statement
finite crag
I played doom 2 on UV
Every map
It never felt harder than hmp really
Just sometimes more annoying
fleet anvil
plutonia on hmp feels much different than uv ngl
finite crag
Plutonia is weird
Sometimes
Like I guess a shotgunner is easier to kill than a pinky but
Is it really?
fleet anvil
personally i believe there is more revenants and chaingunners in plutonia alone than there is possible chess moves
fleet anvil
i have no idea what todo on this level
im just being sniped by archnotrons and chaingunners
finite crag
Plutonia experience
fleet anvil
fair enough
halcyon willow
it do be like that
fleet anvil
i finally have 2 keys
hexed escarp
im playing eviternity map19 rn and it is awesome
the gameplay feels very plutonia-esque
lots of traps and revanents
hexed escarp
WHERE AM I SUPPOSED TO GO
what map?
halcyon willow
odyssey of noises is a banger map. best city map in the iwads
finite crag
If you're doing a sunlust playthrough, I don't know if you're going to like map ...
i got spoilers about some maps' names
32 is Postcoitus Doom, and it's a joke map
narrow condor
It's not exactly a joke map, I'd say, but it's gimmicky and sadistic.
atomic dust
Plutonia's map 32 is the original slaughter map
speaking of slaughter maps, I think of playing them
I like killing hordes of enemies in games
azure nimbus
Plutonia's map 32 is the original slaughter map
pl32 is designed after an earlier "punnisher" map made by I think the other casali brother
floral basin
Idk I just don't like killing too many enemies
Honestly, I only go for UV in wads because I assume that's the intended experience. And the other difficulties weren't given that much thought. I am sure there are exceptions to this though.
vast reef
speaking of slaughter maps, I think of playing them
go play them c:
tepid tulip
Been playing this Doom map pack that recreates the style of PSX Doom
It's like a remastered Doom map pack
Has like 66 levels in it and I'm playing it on UV
Isn't too hard so far but it's been satisfying to beat
finite crag
Honestly, I only go for UV in wads because I assume that's the intended experien...
That makes sense
Personally I don't want my game to be infuriating
I like playing on normal just cause it's like
Not too hard not too easy
UV might be the intended experience but I'd prefer having fun then suffering
Since I'm not very good at doom as it is
azure nimbus
A lot of it how much time you're willing to spend per level, and how much time you expect to play doom overall. If someone was just getting into the game but barely played, idk if I'd blame them for playing sunlust on HNTR and moving on with their life. But if someone expects to play doom for a long time, they might get a fuller experience by playing easier stuff on UV to prepare for sunlust on UV or HMP
Then there's saving -- It's going to be more difficult to beat a map HMP saveless more often than not, compared to UV using lots of saves. It really depends on what you want to do. What difficulty setting, are you maxing it? Are you trying to go fast? Are you using saves? Within a fight? Pistol start? For such a linear game, it is rather flexible in its difficulty modifiers
remote cedar
Hey guys this is E4M6 where the fuck am I supposed to go once I'm here https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/123936675209412608/1107688755718004766/image.png?width=891&height=524
Behind me is a blue door but I don't have the blue key
am I stuck?
remote cedar
I know where it is but there's no way for me to get back
The only platforms that raise from the lavapit lead to the teleporter you see on the left
And that teleporter leads where I currently am
Oh what the fuck
The same teleporter leads to different places
Man what IS this
royal heron
The *same* teleporter leads to different places
Yeah
The teleporter leads to different platforms depending on how you enter it
remote cedar
I can't support this man what the fuck
halcyon elm
i like it though
floral basin
A lot of it how much time you're willing to spend per level, and how much time y...
With well known and quality wads like Sunlust, I'd bet the creators put careful thought into how they balance the different difficulties. And still try to keep the main challenges/strategies the same. With a lot of lesser known wads, I don't expect the creators have put in more thought to it than: "UV is done. Let's remove some monsters and add random ammo/health for other difficulties now".
It's only a suspicion of mine, can't really give examples of in which maps I have faced this since I mainly play UV. But to give an example off the top of my head - let's say the map gives you rockets at the beginning. And punishes you for not saving any by the end by positioning arch-viles at a distance. And for HMP they go "Well, let's replace these archies with revenants.". All of a sudden that idea is lessened by a great amount.
junior karma
I used to give up on maps if they took too long but then I saw this guy beat Capybara map 32 after 2335 attempts: https://youtu.be/cznPBcBklgA
gave me hope and sure enough I beat my own maps after a few hundred attempts as well (not quite 2000 but still)
rotund dew
i have been taught to hate chaingunners and revenants with every fiber of my bei...
Spread that to viles and pain elementals. Those along with chaingunners are the "big 4" of most hated monsters in the game.
Viles are very underwhelming in OG Doom2, but it's in custom wads where they show how evil they are.
Sunlust map 30 is a prime example of vile usage to restrict the player's movement.
rotund dew
With well known and quality wads like Sunlust, I'd bet the creators put careful ...
Sunder doesn't even have lower difficulties in the sense of adding or removing monsters, it's the full UV roster in every map
ornate vortex
I used to give up on maps if they took too long but then I saw this guy beat Cap...
Sometimes you just have to be persistent when doing things
rotund dew
Honestly, I only go for UV in wads because I assume that's the intended experien...
There's a ribbiks wad (one of the stardates IIRC) in which he recommends new players to start in HMP
rotund dew
32 is Postcoitus Doom, and it's a joke map
Pretty nasty joke. But you'll get there
ornate vortex
Sometimes you just have to be persistent when doing things
Usually for me when it comes to speedrunning, I beat maps around 150 attempts nowadays (because I have gotten better with practice)
but there were times where on average, maps were taking me 400 attempts to beat on speedrun
It's all down to how luck plays out, how you play out and how patient you are
finite crag
Pretty nasty joke. But you'll get there
i'll continue playing sunlust at the weekend, from map09
ornate vortex
Today someone recommended me "The Lost Magic" and I was wondering if anyone has played it before
finite crag
There's a ribbiks wad (one of the stardates IIRC) in which he recommends new pla...
magnolia?
ornate vortex
There's a ribbiks wad (one of the stardates IIRC) in which he recommends new pla...
That would be stardate 20x7
and it's not even new players he recommended it to, he recommended it to the majority
and I can see why (UV is really difficult)
sd20x7 is probably the hardest thing i've played casually that's made by ribbiks
floral basin
Sunder doesn't even have lower difficulties in the sense of adding or removing m...
Sunder is brutal. I hope I get back to it because I nope'd straight out after the first level.
rotund dew
Sunder is brutal. I hope I get back to it because I nope'd straight out after th...
I'm in 16. It is.. hard. Very hard
32's last fight is just brutal
floral basin
nevermind, I exagerrated the first level apparently. There's a really cheesy strategy that makes it very easy 😄
Though Im sure hell awaits me now that I got into it
halcyon willow
Honestly, I only go for UV in wads because I assume that's the intended experien...
There is no 'intended experience'. One of the great misconceptions in the community is that uv is the 'right' way to play. Any way worth its salt has difficulty balancing (the exception that proves the rule being Sunder)
floral basin
With the official doom titles I'd agree probably. But I have a hard time believing most map makers handle it correctly.
halcyon willow
You'd be wrong
floral basin
Sure. Could be. It's not like I am a map maker or anything. It's just an opinion I formed from few data.
azure nimbus
Today someone recommended me "The Lost Magic" and I was wondering if anyone has ...
I think you'd like it. Shorter levels, much easier than something like crumpets with a pretty aesthetic and light dehacked work. I think the difficulty makes speedrunning somewhat more reasonable.
finite crag
Pretty nasty joke. But you'll get there
The only maps i know of: MAP01-08 (cus i played them) MAP15 (cus secret exit) , 31, 32, 24,25,27,28,29,30
obsidian falcon
Do it you won’t
finite crag
ima play sigil
UV?
ornate vortex
I think you'd like it. Shorter levels, much easier than something like crumpets ...
I've watched a couple of BFGandorf's videos on TLM and I might actually give it a go. It looks unique from the other stuff i've played so far. If I like it I may even consider speedrunning it
next dagger
There is no 'intended experience'. One of the great misconceptions in the commun...
it is, however, the gentleman's way to play Doom
floral basin
Ready for a bit of the ol' Ultraviolence
halcyon willow
it is, however, the gentleman's way to play Doom
The only way to play doom is the way you have the most fun
ornate vortex
I've watched a couple of BFGandorf's videos on TLM and I might actually give it ...
I am now speedrunning the lost magic’s maps because I enjoyed the first few
Already finished map 1, because getting the run took like 5 minutes I decided to also do a pacifist run and that turned out decent
azure nimbus
I was able to do the first 3 on NM. See if you can do any others