classic-doom

[turbid elk]

i send

I hope they will help

by the way, what are the awards that I get for participating in the slayer club?

[dry niche]

i completed knee deep in the dead on UV+ and OH MY GOSH, that was the hardest time i've ever had on a doom game

just, wow. if that was just knee deep in the dead, i can't imagine what the next chapters are going to be.

[azure nimbus]

doom1 doesn't have different monster spawns on coop, but it does give extra weapons sometimes. So uv+ for doom1 is like -fast with extra ammo

[dry niche]

ik, but it's still very hard, it's like adding spicy sauce to UV, and i love it

[hexed escarp]

ive heard people say that in hunted you only ever have to deal with 1 or 2 archies at a time

but im playing it for the first time right now, and i keep having times where i run into like 5 of them all at once and i get surrounded

[dapper flint]

Go up to the faces of those zapping you hit them and back track

[hexed escarp]

whoa

smthn weird just happened

i beat hunted, and then apon loading up speed, it was using the E1 sky still for some reason, but then i did idclev 12 and then it switch to the right sky, this is on the final doom dos executable

[finite crag]

final doom dos? weird
i'm going to assume doxbox steam|?

[hexed escarp]

yes

well no

[finite crag]

dosbox manually?

[hexed escarp]

i yoinked the executable from steam, and setup my own dosbox

[finite crag]

yeah ok good lol

can you change midi thing or?

[hexed escarp]

?

oh yeah i setup virtualmidisynth

[finite crag]

idk doesn't it use soundblaster thing by default

[hexed escarp]

so im not stuck with shitty opl

[finite crag]

yeah ok so steam version just sucks

[hexed escarp]

it just takes some setup

also installed novert which is a dos program which disables vertical mouse movement

[finite crag]

like honestly there is no benefit to playing steam version over even manually done dosbox

[hexed escarp]

so i dont have to deal with that

[finite crag]

send link?

[hexed escarp]

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/utils/misc/novert

[finite crag]

i would never use it probably but could be cool

thank you

[hexed escarp]

you just put it with the rest of the dos doom files, and then put novert.com in your bat file or autorun or whatever

[finite crag]

i see

that's pretty cool
too bad i only use dsda-doom and gzdoom lol

[hexed escarp]

but i just noclipped to the end of the map, and the sky thing happened again

so its repeatable

[finite crag]

final doom engine is kinda weird ig

doesn't final doom engine break things?

[hexed escarp]

according to doomwiki the executable with the steam version is identical to the one that was distributed with final doom originally

[hexed escarp]

only teleporters

[finite crag]

ahh i see

really weird there

i wonder what they did thay caused that

i mean stuff like the yellow key card i can see

[hexed escarp]

then buy it

its literally 5 dollars

if you can afford a $200 vr headset, you can afford a $5 game

[finite crag]

wait for sale if so

doom for $1

[hexed escarp]

my point still stands

[finite crag]

why
classic better

no

have fun with your 16 shells ig

i can hold 50 by default in classic
10/10

[hexed escarp]

classic doom has s p e e d

[finite crag]

true

and also don't say movement good

you probably haven't played quake 1

quake 1 is the peak of idtech movement and then it kinda got meh after

gzdoom modding

[hexed escarp]

lmao this guy went from begging to get a paid game for free to talking about how it actually sucks in the span of 5 seconds

[finite crag]

so sad it's patched in newer ports i think

spamming what?
i am talking 😭

are you saying that there is a limit to how many messages i can send within a period of time

[hexed escarp]

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[finite crag]

yeah talk about that in another server lol

idk how on mobile but i think you can highlight whole message and click the "

[hexed escarp]

oh apparently the sky not changing thing is a known bug in the original doom 2 executable

so its not just final doom, it happens in doom 2

apparently in any version of doom 2 for dos, if you play through continuously without saving/loading it will be the episode 1 sky all the way thru

you have to do idclev or -warp to get the correct sky

[finite crag]

that's so weird

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[finite crag]

hmmmmm
has anyone here played No Rest for the Living

[hexed escarp]

i played the first level

[finite crag]

it's pretty fun actually
secret level not really but
the rest is

i love the level designing it's super cool looking later on

[hexed escarp]

i want to play it on dos

[finite crag]

same with doom zero and

banana factory accident.
but those 2 are fanmade so

[hexed escarp]

someone made a dos executable for it

that makes it load the right music

[finite crag]

hmmm
is that possible?
like nerve.wad exists so just add it to exe ig

[hexed escarp]

but unfortunately the download link for the exe is blocked on my network for some reason

my dad has a firewall and it blocks things at random sometimes, really annoying

[finite crag]

that's
odd

[hexed escarp]

its like a school network but a bit less extreme

[finite crag]

i mean nerve.wad has been very iffy for me

[hexed escarp]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/86335-play-no-rest-for-the-living-in-dos-or-dosbox/

[finite crag]

delta touch will not load it

[hexed escarp]

does this download work for you?

[finite crag]

lemme try

i'll send a drive link in dms if it does

[hexed escarp]

ok thx

[finite crag]

WAIT

is the site link dead?

[hexed escarp]

idk

maybe? did it not work for you?

[finite crag]

is it the hyperlinked nr4tl.exe?

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[finite crag]

link is dead
lemme try internet archive

[hexed escarp]

huh

[finite crag]

nope.

dead link and not on archive

sorry about that

[hexed escarp]

np

[finite crag]

by chance, does chex.wad work?

[hexed escarp]

idk

i think there is likely a chex.exe for dos

that was originally distributed with the game

[finite crag]

i only have the wad file sadly
so no dosbox version for me

[hexed escarp]

yeah just looked it up, there is a chex.exe

[hexed escarp]

where did you get it?

[finite crag]

i kinda wanna find the video that came with it in its original thing

[finite crag]

0_0

[hexed escarp]

i was just thinking maybe it came with the exe or smth

you can also probably find it online

[finite crag]

i will attempt

[hexed escarp]

also, did you know that john oliver talked about chex quest on an episode of last week tonight?

[finite crag]

honestly i don't know who that is lol
i'm also not the biggest fan of chex quest

[hexed escarp]

hes a TV comedian

he did a whole episode on snack video games

and talked about chex quest

[finite crag]

i searched it up
if it's HBO there'd be no way to even see it here

[hexed escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kfx2fANELo

[finite crag]

honestly let's face it
chex quest is mainly popular for the doom part isn't it

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[finite crag]

it's the only reason i played it

i had more difficulty playing it than actual doom

which is weird

[spice radish]

Chex Quest reboot when?

[narrow condor]

Isn't Chex Quest 3 essentially that?

[narrow condor]

It should work out of the box with most source ports. Some ports explicitly state that they support Chex Quest.

[vast reef]

lmao as if people don't praise classic doom for having more flexibility in gameplay than eternal

[vast reef]

thoughts on q3a or maybe q4 with its crouchsliding?

i too generally prefer quake 1 but i like the quake 3 glidiness too

[finite crag]

Honestly I haven't played q4 and not much q3

Quake 1 is still the best IMO
I've played 1 and 2 and 2 just isn't as fun

[vast reef]

i haven't beaten quake 2 yet

nor have i beaten episode 3 of quake 1

[finite crag]

Quake 1 is more fun

Quake 2 is basically on hold for me

[vast reef]

i like quake 1 a lot for the movement ngl but the bullet sponge enemies aren't my thing

[finite crag]

That's true

But the movement is fun and it makes it more fun than 2

[vast reef]

doing cool trickjumps with grenades is the most satisfying thing in the world though so whatever

[finite crag]

Yes
Quake speedruns are fun to watch

[vast reef]

true

i wanna get into quake speedrunning at some point

[finite crag]

Doom eternal movement was brought up earlier

It's not bad but It feels slower

Like super slow compared to old doom

[vast reef]

because your base movement is slower

you have more options and agility at the cost of raw speed

[finite crag]

Options won't matter when you are slower than everything

[vast reef]

imo ultrakill, dusk, and quake 1 have a really great balance between agility and raw speed

[finite crag]

By the time you strafe you're dead

Quake is fast
Quake is good with weapons and stuff

[vast reef]

quake 3 has more raw speed but considerably less agility than quake 1

[finite crag]

If there is a doom game that plays similarly to quake 1 that'd be great
And I know there's a mod

But an official game

[vast reef]

i prefer doom's enemy to weapon balance (one of its primary strengths) but quake movement is just really fun

doom enemies and guns with quakey movement would be interesting

[finite crag]

Yes

Which doom guns tho

Hopefully not the new wimpy guns lol

Old doom had nice weapons

Even if it's ssg spam for alot of the game it's still fun

[vast reef]

truee

i wonder how slaughter maps would function with quake movement though?

i remember trying to play sunlust map28 with QCDE because i was bored and jumping on top of the enemies was fun

[finite crag]

I should play some classic doom mods

I'm too skill issued for a lot of them though

[vast reef]

QCDE is just a quake fangame in (obviously, a modified version of) the doom engine :P

[finite crag]

Wads like going down were cool but too hard for me lol

[finite crag]

Sounds cool

[vast reef]

it's really fun imo, has full quake 3 arena movement and even CPMA movement

but i mostly play it because i can't run quake champions, but eh QC:DE has singleplayer PvE

[finite crag]

Maybe I'll just play every dzone gold wad and rate them all

(bad idea)

[vast reef]

oh god

that sounds like more of a nightmare than nightmare difficulty

also what level of going down did you find too hard

[rotund dew]

Start out slow, finish the IWADS first in UV then go upwards from there. Don't try to tackle wads like sunlust or sunder without some experience on your belt first

[rotund dew]

Can you tackle OG plutonia? You should probably start there, going down is harder than it seems at first glance

[narrow condor]

Plutonia is a good teacher.

[frosty dove]

And to quote from Civvie11, “we may never have gotten good without the plutonia experiment…”

[hexed escarp]

i wish udb let you click and pan

or middle click and pan

anything but arrow keys

[rotund dew]

Definitely, the first time I played it, I struggled hard, and go2it was insanely hard for my skill

[narrow condor]

It's less about its difficulty and more about its design decisions. Many modern day maps base their combat design on a lineage of design principles on which Plutonia was greatly influential.

Half of what makes Plutonia hard is not having internalised an intuition for that kind of combat.

[rotund dew]

Also true, Plutonia is really evil with chaingunner and revenant placement

And some nasty viles here and there

The best wad I've played? Sunlust, for sure. It's hard but the level design is epic.

Now I'm with sunder, but I don't like some of the design decisions gazebo made in some of his older maps.

Like making you face a myriad of pain elementals without a bfg, or horde after horde of barons

[narrow condor]

A lot of Sunder isn't difficult as much as tedious, in my opinion.

[rotund dew]

I'm talking pistol starts ofc

Yes some of the fights are a bit boring. But from what I've played so far (I started map15 yesterday), the best one is IMO the furnace one

Map 13 for me is one of the worst. Right from the start you're SSGing barons, then you've got at least three big pain elemental fights without bfg, with some cybers added to the mix

[narrow condor]

I find The Furnace to be tedious as hell, what with 'hold the rocket launcher/BFG trigger down until you kill 1000 hell knights'.

[rotund dew]

That part yes, but at least on the rest of the map you're constantly on the move and you have tons of ammo to spare

[finite crag]

plutonia is hell for me

[rotund dew]

Start on Plutonia then. It'll be a good teacher

[finite crag]

then there is stuff i never want to repeat like TFC

i beat it once and honestly i don't wanna play it again lol

[azure nimbus]

sometimes that's what it's about. not every level needs to be a cerebral ammo drain balancing nukage rhythm on platforms.

[finite crag]

and i suck so i play hmp because i am bad and usually i just go for a normal difficulty in everything

i know uv is the "true" doom but
idk

[azure nimbus]

true doom is xaser's opengl

don't let Platonists tell you that there is some metaphysical true form of doom

[finite crag]

i am fake doom player i know

[rotund dew]

True doom is however you enjoy playing it

What are you struggling with in Plutonia?

[finite crag]

one day i'll be good enough for uv

[finite crag]

yes

in general i'm just not that great at doom

i mean final doom needs higher skill to play than the other games but

[rotund dew]

Rule of thumb keep moving, you never want to stand still in one place

[finite crag]

i know that

[rotund dew]

Then you need to prioritize enemies, that is one of the first lessons Plutonia teaches you

Archviles need to go ASAP

[finite crag]

i assume we're going for archviles first

yeah ok
i figured lol

[rotund dew]

Then you've got chaingunners and revenants, and pain elementals

[finite crag]

i mean dario did work on pl_goldrush so i guess he just liked making stuff annoying for others

[rotund dew]

You need to analyze the battle in particular but usually I try to kill the pain elementals before they flood the arena with lost souls

And I have less risk of pulling a coincident (aka face rocket)

When I try to go for the rest

[finite crag]

lost souls are super annoying

i mean pain elemental is just
why 😭

at least you can cheese revenants

[azure nimbus]

it really depends.

pain elementals are funni guys

[rotund dew]

Pain elementals in particular you have some ways of dealing with them

[finite crag]

-die

[rotund dew]

For example you can point blank them (any lost souls they spit will be insta destroyed)

[finite crag]

oh that works?

[rotund dew]

Use the chaingun or plasma to keep them as long as possible in their pain state

Or just bfg them away

[finite crag]

so basically stunlock up close

and hope for the best

[rotund dew]

Up close you're better off with the ssg

The stunlock is mostly for when they are far, to prevent them from spitting lost souls

[finite crag]

i see

well maybe i'll try plutonia right now

[rotund dew]

Archviles have two things you should remember about their attack

[finite crag]

time to torture myself

[finite crag]

hitscan annoying fire thing which walls take up

and stunlock stops attack?

[rotund dew]

First is, their attack has a limited range, unless you attack them first, in that case their range is unlimited

Second, if you see a vile fighting another enemy and in the middle of their flame animation, don't attack them

They will instantly turn on you and zap you into oblivion

Stunlock stops attack, but a vile has the lowest pain chance of all enemies, so don't take that for granted.

You're better off playing peek-a-boo or bfg in the face

[finite crag]

well time to save every two seconds

that's how doom is played right
r-right?

[rotund dew]

Save as often as you want, I do the same

Especially in longer more tedious fights which I don't want to repeat

[finite crag]

ok good

because i need my files

[rotund dew]

Like I said, the best way to play doom is the one you enjoy.

Don't go into an insane grindfest just because someone said so.

[finite crag]

i guess
yeah
best to play in whatever way gets me through it lol

[rotund dew]

Whenever you feel you want a bigger challenge, then you ramp up the difficulty.

One thing I personally hate in longer maps is having to repeat sections I've done before, especially when they're a bit grindy.

I was yesterday in a sunder fight (last one of map14) in which I accidentally picked up an invuln powerup, then saved.

My last save on other slot was from eons ago.

Instead of repeating all of the fights up to that point, I just cheated an invuln, and be done with it.

Otherwise it would be another 20 minutes to be back to that spot.

[finite crag]

wow i actually did something and didn't die

somehow i got around the hell knights

then the spectres started infighting

thank you plutonia very cool

ok i got to map3

somehow i 100% map 2

[azure nimbus]

More specifically, their targeting ability has limited range. So they will only initiate an attack if you are within range. But the actual attack has infinite range.

It isn't that they have infinite range when you attack but after a pain state

[narrow condor]

This means it can hurt itself with splash damage when killing a nearby monster it's infighting and target you from far away out of the blue.

It's so funny when that happens that I can't even stay mad.

[finite crag]

wow i'm surprised that actually worked, then again i think they wanted you to do that

that part where the archvile spawns right in front of you and you have those little cubes on the floor there to absorb some of the damage

[azure nimbus]

oh yeah that's another thing. If a vile is targeting a monster then you, billions of metres away damage it, it'll instantly change targets to you and finish its attack. So that's one of the ways it can hit you at long range as well

[finite crag]

nice.
anyways i finished 3 maps of plutonia, and i'm finding out how it works. save every 2 seconds because there's always a trap

that's it
with that i'm getting through the maps

[narrow condor]

Yeah, Plutonia definitely isn't the kind of mappack that you can breeze through with a blind playthrough. It's full of 'gotcha' traps and combat puzzles that intentionally block the intuitive solutions, so you're forced to try again and again until you have see the intended solution and plan your way through.

[finite crag]

yeah

i just realised that somehow lol

i am clearly good at doom guys trust me

[hexed escarp]

is quake 1 harder or easier than doom 1

[narrow condor]

That's the spirit!

[hexed escarp]

if harder, where does it lie in the difficulty of various wads

[vast reef]

this

[vast reef]

depends

quake 1 trickjump maps are harder than (most) doom platforming imo

[hexed escarp]

just the base games

[vast reef]

will have to replay quake 1

[finite crag]

hmmmm
well i found it easier personally

that's just me
since doom has less movement opportunity things you can't just rocket jump everywhere and stuff
also quake has way less enemies per level

[vast reef]

that's true with the quake enemies

[hexed escarp]

in mbf21 can i change the ammo that the player starts with?

like if i want to make the starting weapon be a plasma based weapon, can i make the player start with 80 plasma instead of 50 bullets?

[azure nimbus]

you don't even need mbf21 for that.

[hexed escarp]

no like i can change the ammo type of the pistol

but how do i change what ammo the player starts with

[azure nimbus]

no idea but it can be done in vanilla -- or at the very least you can make the player start with no bullets and different weapons using weird ammo types. That I've seen in vanilla. But I haven't seen staring with a different ammo type(not just a changed number)

[hexed escarp]

unfortunate

ig i could just put some cell packs on every player start

90[']

dropped smthn on my keyboard

[azure nimbus]

it might still be possible though

gear at pistol start is adjustable but I just don't know to what extent

[finite crag]

Guys i have a question

Does gzdoom2 require doom2 wad with gzdoom port?

It seems that doom2 is only thing available not the 1st version 😦

[kind widget]

Just beat doom for the 1st time yesterday

[finite crag]

Nice

[rotund dew]

Infighting is another skill that will be very useful. In a lot of wads you're going to find out that the cyberdemon is your best friend instead of one of your biggest foes.

[rotund dew]

Exactly, sometimes I'm with rocket launcher and splash damage hits an attacking vile, there goes doomguy being zapped into oblivion.

[ionic sable]

https://youtu.be/KiY41M4e3lI

[hexed escarp]

it seems like you can adjust how many bullets the player starts with

but you cant make them start with something other than bullets

[azure nimbus]

what if you gave them boolets but made the rocket launcher consume bullets?

[hexed escarp]

?

[azure nimbus]

you want players to start with the ammo type that rockets use. You've determined that you cannot pistol start with rockets. But have them pistol start with bullets and change the rocket launcher to consume bullets

[hexed escarp]

ah

i said cells before, but yeah that makes sense

basically swap what are bullets and what are cells

[dapper flint]

👁️

[finite crag]

Guys how to get the hexen format for gzdoom2?

[hexed escarp]

imagine if there was a version of a source port for eviternity where when you beat a level, it seamlessly transitions into the next instead of an intermission screen bc the levels lead into eachother

wouldnt that be cool?

[finite crag]

So basically, kinda like half life where every map are transitions

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[finite crag]

Do you use 3D floor? @hexed escarp

I wonder if you create doom maps

Since i wanted to ask those who uses 3D floor from doom builder

[hexed escarp]

i do not

i only map in mbf21 or lower

altho just yesterday i was messing around in udb with 3d floors

[sharp jewel]

How do you get the platinum in this game LOL you need 4 players for local and nightmare mode on top of that? Hell no

[hexed escarp]

its not too hard to do it

[sharp jewel]

But you need 4 people

And I'm a ps5 player

[hexed escarp]

im not talking about that

[hexed escarp]

talking about this

[sharp jewel]

Ohhh

Ok sorry I was confused

[hexed escarp]

np

[finite crag]

I was wondering how to get the hexen format

Since i can't create 3D floor without it

[sharp jewel]

I shouldn't have bought doom 1 LOL, I feel obligated to platinum every game I buy/download

[hexed escarp]

idk

i dont do gzdoom modding so no clue

[sharp jewel]

Indigo classic slayer was worth it though

[sharp jewel]

Since I'll never be good enough to get Skullface in eternal which is my actual favorite

[hexed escarp]

wdym platinum

[sharp jewel]

Trophy

[hexed escarp]

oh

is that a console thing?

[sharp jewel]

I have 7 now, and want to go back and platinum every game I've downloaded

[sharp jewel]

Yes it's basically the ribbon on steam for PS5

So complete every Trophy get a lot of points

And make yourself look good

There's a few games I'll never even try to touch the platinum in, like Mgrr and any of the Yakuza games

Anyways off topic LOL

[azure nimbus]

only need 2 controlls and only one has to be an actual person

[sharp jewel]

Ok that helps

[hexed escarp]

I really really really hate that doom.fandom always is the top result when googling anything about doom and you have to specifically add doomwiki much of the time to get that one instead

[halcyon willow]

don't use it, use UDMF

[finite crag]

Udmf?

How to get it?

[hexed escarp]

Wdym “get it”

Just select it

[finite crag]

Kk wait

Wait whats the difference between udmf and hexen format?

[hexed escarp]

Idk

It’s how the actual map data is stored

In udmf it’s stored in a human readable text format

In Hexen it’s not I think

[spice radish]

Would imagine Hexen format is for making Hexen maps while udmf is for Doom maps

Idk though I don’t make Hexen maps

[sleek hornet]

Totally agree, I often think the same. Fandom must be used more than Doomwiki

[meager lantern]

hey uh is this for doom 2

[sick mist]

yes

[meager lantern]

k

[finite crag]

Classic dooms

[serene garnet]

so guys do you think the DOOM MAN has his nails regularly manicured??

@finite crag - UDMF was supposed to be the 'universal' map format that would supplant all others by making all the features as inbuilt parameters, this means that you can do stuff like rotate and scale floor textures, set sector colored lighting etc without having to use extra definition actions or things - the properties are just natively part of the sector data

unfortunately it hasnt quite caught on but its still basically the most freeform map format in that all data types are available and line actions are all fully configurable

Doom in Hexen was the prior 'most advanced' map format, basically the Doom map structure within the Hexen limitations, meaning you had ACS and such to play with, but many optional actions/parameters were all achieved by either running a script and having it run the actions to set the parameters, or by having extra 'editor' things that set parameters (like sector color, the ColorSetter thing, slopes had vertex slope things, etc)

basically whenever new features were added to certain engines, there would be side implementations where they took another actor doomednum slot and made an action or actor that allowed mappers to utilize it

[tepid tulip]

Trying out ancient aliens, it is hard especially map01 but it is nice to beat it or figure out it's tricks and gimmicks some maps have

This is very fun, even if i think it's hard

I like final doomers weapon set being on the more familiar/easier side to use but they have a lot of wide spread for some so I guess they're useful for different situations

[azure nimbus]

"ancient aliens is hard.... I'm using final doomer". As long as you're having fun. just don't be afraid to switch back to -CL 9 without additional mods

looking it up, it is apparently weapon mod designed around several sets in specific ways. kinda interesting actually

[tepid tulip]

Tbh I'm having a lot of fun regardless of difficulty

I can probably do this with vanilla and still enjoy myself

Map01 was a wild ride but I genuinely thought it was fun

For the final Doomer part, I just wanna try each map with it's weapon set they made it for, I would love to someday do it vanilla and/or UV but it's always gonna be HMP until I'm comfortable with the maps

[hexed escarp]

Imagine if the shotgun was the starting weapon in doom

[azure nimbus]

quake

[hexed escarp]

I kinda wanna replace the pistol with the shotgun in my wad lol

[azure nimbus]

why stop there. well uses base shotgun?

[hexed escarp]

Wdym

[finite crag]

I was thinking of remaking hangar

To test my ability on creating doom map

Idk if i should do it tho

[hexed escarp]

Do whatever you want

[hexed escarp]

I hope Jimmy does another midi OST for sigil 2

[halcyon willow]

iirc Jimmy said this to John and John said he was keen.

[hexed escarp]

ooh

thats gonna be great

[halcyon willow]

Yeah it was one on of Romero's recent sigil streams

Exciting for sure

[azure nimbus]

I feel like every level nowadays starts with an ssg at least or chaingun for ribbiks. slaughter stuff might skip all the way to weapons 5,6,7 from the start

[hexed escarp]

yeah thats fair, but im not making a slaughter wad

[hexed escarp]

also did you mean "who uses base shotgun"?

[green inlet]

i am check update for doom 1/2 android

[hexed escarp]

if so, the answer to that is someone who doesnt have the ssg yet

and plenty of wads withhold the ssg for a bit

[narrow condor]

I like the "earn your weapons" approach to early map design.

Take a shotgunner's and a chaingunner's weapons, wrestle a baron to take the SSG under its nose.

[azure nimbus]

oops. yes

[hexed escarp]

so ye il probs make the shotgun the weapon 2 slot and then the ssg will be the sole weapon 3 slot

and i will have to swap bullets and shells

Can voodoo dolls trigger musinfo changes?

[halcyon willow]

Mixing up what weapons the player starts with on a map is a good way to mix up the combat. I'm particularly a fan of rocket launcher first maps which leads to high risk (blowing your self up) high reward (splatter demons) combat

And if you're concerned about having given out the power weapons early and the player only using those, then you control their usage through ammo allocations

[hexed escarp]

I really really wish whacked supported mbf21

It would make my life 10000x easier

[hexed escarp]

wait hold on are zombieman dropped ammo clips worth half of placed ammo clips?

[azure nimbus]

correct. Same for other dropped items. They're only going to give half the usual ammo

[hexed escarp]

bruhhhhh why does this game have to be so jank

that means that when i swap bullets with shells thats not gonna work anymore

[azure nimbus]

That's intended. Deadliest demolition has zombiemen and wolfenstein ss(or rather their dehacked versions) drop backpacks instead that act completely as regular backpacks. So those don't get halved. Seems like it's only regular ammo items that get halved

DD is vanilla compat. So maybe it's possible to have them drop different items

[hexed escarp]

i just really really wish that everything wasnt so frikken hardcoded

i wonder if i did mbf21 A_SpawnObject if it would spawn with half ammo

[placid vortex]

How do I get into this game

I’m a big collectible guy and the secrets are really annoying

[azure nimbus]

decino will have videos for doom1/doom2 so you can find secrets as well as videos on mechanics. As well as doomwiki will detail secrets for popular wads. But if a wad is less popular, you can put it in a map editor and search for secrets that way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gomcZmnGeWQ&list=PL6z3JwchtJUFjqEIFlzdoheLI6ozIzaZA

[placid vortex]

I’m on Xbox

Ik it’s suboptimal

[dapper flint]

Tons of 100 percent runs on youtube. Can find the secrets there

[gusty falcon]

I fixed my xd plus which means I don't have to play doom on my 3ds anymore

😈

https://youtu.be/FDyAOud-xaM
@dapper flint

[dapper flint]

Hell ya man! Time to dive into those mods

[finite crag]

Use auto map, remember where locked doors are located. Other times you may need to use a switch, or look for a off centered wall for a secret entrance into an area.

[meager lantern]

doom 2 is better then doom 3

[finite crag]

True

[meager lantern]

ye question wanna be friends plz?

[finite crag]

Uhhhhhhhh

Ehh what's the worst ig

[cosmic pagoda]

am I doing something wrong, or wallrunning is way easier than tutorials seem to claim

I am able to do it on any long enough N-S wall both ways on complevel 0

https://youtu.be/N7XJZtDJ1SI

dsda doom complevel 0

[cosmic pagoda]

doomwiki em if you cant find em on your own, otherwise wallhumping etc

used to be this really nice rush discovering em the first time

so if you are really into collectibles try looking for them

on your own once you cleared all the map

[vast reef]

just keep walking around, you get a sense for it eventually

also, automap

[finite crag]

Blame sandy for that

Knee deep in the dead maps aren't that confusing since it had some landmarks that you can easily tell where tf you are

Problem with doom maps is that they are mazey to the point you had to carry out auto map

[limpid lintel]

Hey

[tiny acorn]

How do i kill the Cyberdemon in map 10 on Doom 2

I try to use the BFG n make sure all the tracers hit but i'm not fast enough

[azure nimbus]

if he's currently shooting then he'll be standing still so he won't walk into the tp. that's when to hit him

[shut socket]

I've heard you can "attach" pwads to iwads through putting commands in a shortcut's target directory (e.g nrftl being a selectable episode in doom 2)

what was that specific command?

i'm referring to a gzdoom shortcut btw

[narrow condor]

Can you elaborate on what you mean by attach? Normally you load the pwad on top of the iwad.

[broken elk]

can someone PLEASE tell me how to turn off vertical aiming in gzdoom i know its possible but i cant find how anywhere.

[narrow condor]

Options → Mouse Options → Always mouselook: Off

[broken elk]

cant find that

[narrow condor]

Are you using the simplified menu?

Pick 'Full options menu', set 'Simple options menu: Off'

[broken elk]

wait theres a simplified menu?!?!

i hate gzdoom

you cant even see all the options

[narrow condor]

You can, if you enable it...

People used to constantly complain about how GZDoom's menus are too crowded, so they added a simplified menu and now people complain about the simplified menu.

[broken elk]

thanks a lot i found it

[narrow condor]

👍

[broken elk]

i hate how you cant find this stuff in search

[narrow condor]

It should come up if you search for 'mouselook'.

[broken elk]

k

wait it doesnt shoot enemies under me

ok i fixed it

[finite crag]

When you created a system based on the hate of people that it ended up getting hated too

Reminds me of prohibition back in the 19-20th century lmao

[narrow condor]

I don't think GZDoom was created with making people hate it in mind.

Graf Zahl's egotism notwithstanding

[royal heron]

True

[dapper flint]

Gz takes time to get down but once you do it's fantastic. Especially for newer rigs

[azure nimbus]

it's playable when putting all the render stuff to look vanilla. especially the weird projectiles

[narrow condor]

It does have pretty terrible default settings.

[dapper flint]

They're dog shit. Took me a while to get it to where it's my favorite port. Higher fps adjustable aesthetic depending on the wad / funny mods adjustable fov and the best controller support I'm confident in saying

[azure nimbus]

get vulkan renderer, turn off the silly zdoom transparency, turn off decals on walls and stuff, turn off texture filtering, and other than the hud being small, it looks pretty normal

[dapper flint]

Software renderer looks cool too but it's still better in other ports like eternity. I like it though depending on what mood I'm in

[azure nimbus]

software is great. But it looks silly in mouselook and vulkan isn't all that noticably different but I still use hardware accelerator. Honestly I don't really know what they all mean but these are the ones that seem to work

[hexed escarp]

Vulkan and opengl are rendering apis that use the gpu to draw triangles to make up the scene

Software rendering uses doom's original column based rendering

[dapper flint]

Open gl runs like pure ass cheeks with amd so I try to avoid ports that only have that option

[maiden kelp]

Clasic doom is the best

[meager lantern]

Guys I was Playing doom 2 on my pc (im on it rn) And I Can fucking Look Up And Down

[dapper flint]

Sin

[fluid lion]

Absolutely not

[royal heron]

No

[narrow condor]

Unthinkable

[fluid lion]

Guys

Am i less of a man for playing on Hurt me plenty

I am playing scythe 2 btw

[ornate vortex]

In my opinion (whether this is relevant or not) to be less of a man is to not try at all

You could argue that uv is the intended way to play most wads, but hurt me plenty wasn’t added for no reason

[halcyon willow]

Play The Difficulty You Most Enjoy

That's it. That's the conversation

[ornate vortex]

pretty much

[halcyon willow]

And fuck anyone who tells you otherwise

[narrow condor]

After all, it's a game, not a competition. Something you play for personal enjoyment by definition.

[ornate vortex]

Tbf, I am currently speedrunning sunlust on hmp because i think that uv is just too challenging for my level

[narrow condor]

What's the point of purposely reducing your enjoyment?

Sunlust UV without saves really is hard as nails.

[ornate vortex]

Yes, and I get comatose was tough too (but i would argue it’s a different type of difficulty)

[narrow condor]

I like to think that it's meant to be played in HMP (something Ribbiks makes a point of), with UV intended as a challenge for those willing to grind it.

[ornate vortex]

Sunlust is hard because it forces the player into challenging fights, Comatose on the other hand is hard because it’s tedious to get all kills and secrets

[ornate vortex]

Now that I think of it, Ribbiks did recommend HMP as a starting difficulty

[narrow condor]

Yeah, he does that with all his mappacks, I believe.

[ornate vortex]

A lot of them are no joke tbf

[fluid lion]

Yea youre right

I tried to play on uv at least

I got to map 23 on scythe 2

Then i gave up because man

[ornate vortex]

Yikes, that map is cruel

[fluid lion]

That map is more than cruel

[narrow condor]

Yeah, the Scythe series is infamous for its difficulty spikes.

[ornate vortex]

Scythe II is moderately fine for most of it, then map 23 shows up and the gameplay changes completely

[narrow condor]

Each of them starts out as a cakewalk and ends with an Armageddon.

[ornate vortex]

it’s an awful wake up call imo

[narrow condor]

You can try the harder levels again later, once you feel HMP is perfectly doable.

[ornate vortex]

Maps 23, 25, 27 and 30 were definitely very tough on uv

[narrow condor]

Yeah, Erik Alm has a bad sense of difficulty slope, truth be told.

[ornate vortex]

map 28 for some reason I found pretty manageable somehow

i suppose it’s heavy on bfg spam

[ornate vortex]

Scythe X was a bit weird in terms of difficulty but I think maybe it’s because it’s unfinished as of now

[fluid lion]

Scythe 2 has some really weird spikes

[ornate vortex]

Map 5 and 8 were oddly difficult compared to the other maps (which were imo doom II difficulty)

[fluid lion]

Like i was enjoying the game, not dying too much, then the end of episode 3 comes along, then map 23

[dapper flint]

Some people find a hard challenge enjoyable. Others don't

[narrow condor]

Exactly

[vernal thunder]

the english language is funny to me, for example, thy flesh consumed uses the bible Proverbs 5:11, but if u use a modern translation, its "At the end of your life you will groan, when your flesh and body are spent" so if id had used modern bible translations it would have been called something like, Doom: Your Flesh Spent. and i dont know what to think of this

[narrow condor]

Playing at a difficulty too low for your skill level would also reduce your enjoyment, similarly.

Yeah but id used Bible verses because they sound metal, not because they think there's a meaningful association.

[vernal thunder]

its just kinda funny

the most metal doom game, DOOM your flesh spent

[fluid lion]

Guys

How about this, HMP but with fast monsters

I really like fast monsters because of the increased projectile speed, it requires a lot more skill with your movement

[ornate vortex]

give it a go if you want

Personally i’m not a big fan of ~fast

Ive tried UV fast runs for scythe X and ended up sticking to UV Max because the hitscanners just forced me to take cover, which significantly slowed me down

[narrow condor]

Ironic

[dapper flint]

Yeah fast monsters generally does force more passive calculated play

[meager lantern]

GZdoom Is like good if u wanna play a horror .WAD Version Of the Game

[dapper flint]

That and everything else lol

There's so many amazing gz only wads and maps.

[vast reef]

yep

[vast reef]

i have a mod setup with darkdoomz and ambient sounds to make the game creepy as well as some other mods whose names i forgot

[craggy bone]

Even on HMP, Sunlust is really hard later on

I really must go back and finish it at some point. Got to 26 and then got distracted by various trips and never went back

[meager lantern]

Huh Cool

[raw plover]

So has anyone 100% doom

[restive pelican]

Me

[spice radish]

Many people have 100% Doom

[azure nimbus]

the game's been out for 30 years but nobody's actually beaten every level( there are a couple secrets that are broken so it's kinda impossible to fully fully do 100 %)

[merry dome]

I imagine people must have made mods that let them unofficially 100% it then?

[hexed escarp]

No? What would be the point of that

They just get as close as is possible and call that 100%

[merry dome]

to restore the intended value to the level. it's not like they intentionally made it broken, right?

[hexed escarp]

No

But the speedrunning rules basically just say for this map 97% counts as 100% for example in a map where 97 is the highest possible

[narrow condor]

It's not about the number itself as much as the highest amount feasible.

[thin needle]

I managed to beat classic doom in 30 minutes

Without a mouse

[vast reef]

damn

i remember trying to do a keyboard-only speedrun, man that was fun

[thin needle]

I used a laptop for the speedrun, so i used the N key as the shoot button with my right index finger and I used the trackpad with my right thumb and to move i used the WSAD keys@vast reef

[vast reef]

nice

my touchpad is janky so i'd rather just use n and m for turning and space for shoot

interact is bound to e instead of space

[turbid elk]

https://tenor.com/view/ego-duke-nukem-forever-duke-nuke-em-gif-21653820

[ornate vortex]

I am returning to speedrunning after taking a 3 week long break from it

I decided to just complete rush, and then start crumpets

[narrow condor]

Good luck!

[sleek hornet]

Hello 👋

[hexed escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCV1RpNtuaA

is this song in 7/8 time? it kind of sounds like it but i cant really tell

[gusty falcon]

I don't think I'll ever get tired of firing bds super shot gun. it sounds like a cannon going off every time and it is gloriously satisfying to point blank something and see it melt or just explode to pieces from the force of the shot 😁

@dapper flint

[ruby crater]

[remote wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-guy-twerk-gif-25604234

[dapper flint]

Oh ya hahahaha

[fleet wyvern]

hello do you fellow human beings have doom eternal?

[narrow condor]

You're probably looking for #doom-eternal.

[fleet wyvern]

I know but people with classic doom still may have doom eternal

[dawn ore]

Perhaps

[ornate vortex]

Funny you say that, I have actually been planning on diving into some doom eternal

Gameplay wise, i'll probs just stick to Nightmare playthroughs of eternal and then call it a day

also, rush gets really hard towards the end icl (I've been struggling on rush map 11 for 3 days and haven't even completed it once)

It's a short speedrun, but the second half I think is pretty luck based, you just have to run into the open and hope you don't get zapped by an arch vile (there's like 8 meds in the entirety of the map)

[broken heron]

Nope, I'm a dinosaur with a computer that was cheap even when it was new several years ago. My latest obsession has been a new sourceport for Dark Forces.

[livid gate]

😱

[vast reef]

what's the point of asking

oh you asked it everywhere 💀

why the fuck

[misty ferry]

How hard is it to setup a doom server to play wads with friends?

[gusty falcon]

Starting to get back into replaying custom maps sets

Eviternity and zone 300 are the two I've dug into so far

[hexed escarp]

Are these in person friends that can come to your house?

If the answer is yes, then you can run the server only on your local network and it will be insanely easy

If the answer is no, you will have to run the server over the internet, which is a bit more difficult because you need to mess around with your router to open the port, but is still doable

I have no experience with this however because my dad will not let me open ports on our network due to security concerns

Alternatively you could use hamachi which is a program which allows multiple people to connect as if they are on a local network however the downside of this is that your friends will need to install hamachi on their computers as well to connect

If anybody more knowledgeable and/or experienced than me had something to add or correct, feel free to do so

[torpid blaze]

rate project brutality now

[gusty falcon]

I wouldn't be able to rate the current pb myself but the past versions of 3.0

It plays well but you need a powerful device for that to shine through otherwise it's too intensive and can run pretty poorly

[torpid blaze]

also where do i get actual doom mods, github? (I want the crucible for de)

[gusty falcon]

What do you mean by actual doom

Classic doom is as much doom as doom eternal

[torpid blaze]

like doom mods for the classics that arent viruses or soemthing

doom 2 1995

[gusty falcon]

If you're finding viruses you aren't using the official sites

Mod db sites like that

[torpid blaze]

where do you download project brutality

[gusty falcon]

Github these days

It's been that way since 3.0 was first released years ago now

Pretty much looking up project brutality git hub should show pain killers branch which is the main one

But just in case

[gusty falcon]

https://github.com/pa1nki113r/Project_Brutality/tree/master

[torpid blaze]

oh thanks
btw the doom launcher for d2016 modding has 11 trojans

[gusty falcon]

That's not an official source then

[torpid blaze]

its in the pinned comments tho

[gusty falcon]

I'd ask around about that then

Ask why the virus scanner is picking it up as a virus

People around here should know

[torpid blaze]

oh ok

[gusty falcon]

I don't have doom 2016 so I wouldn't be able to offer any help on that

[torpid blaze]

do you prefer doom 1 or 2

[opal falcon]

I think I prefer the original.

But I love both.

[gusty falcon]

It's not really a matter of preference

My machine simply can't run it and the file size is too large to justify getting it

[torpid blaze]

oh

[gusty falcon]

80 gigs

[torpid blaze]

i like doom 2 only because it has the ssg

[gusty falcon]

I generally play with mods myself although i have experienced what you're talking about

[opal falcon]

I've just played the original games on my PS5.

[gusty falcon]

With source ports it's more than possible to have the ssg in doom 1 assuming the wad you're using is ultimate doom because it actually has the ssg in that file it just isn't set to spawn it

[torpid blaze]

no way

[gusty falcon]

Yep

[torpid blaze]

doom 1 ssg?!?!?!!?!

[gusty falcon]

It's true it would probably be pretty easy to find a mod that lets you have the ssg in doom 1

[torpid blaze]

aight

i could use th console tho

[gusty falcon]

It's alot better to find it naturally

[torpid blaze]

ok

i prefer doom 2 because it has more weapon and more enemies, although i dunno how you can change maps

[gusty falcon]

https://www.moddb.com/games/doom/addons/super-shotgun-in-the-ultimate-doom

Assuming you're using gz doom there's a mod for that

https://www.moddb.com/mods/map-loader/downloads/map-loader

[torpid blaze]

no way

[gusty falcon]

Although note it'll warp you to them with pistol only as if you did it from the console

It just takes away needing to memorize console commands

[torpid blaze]

i mean i like playing project brutality with doom 2 tho, theres a lot more enemies to rip and tear

[gusty falcon]

You can have those enemies in doom 1

Project brutality has pretty robust enemy spawn control levels you can change

Including enabling and disabling specific enemy types

[torpid blaze]

really

so i can have a mancubus and cyberdemon in doom 1

[gusty falcon]

Cyber demon is already in doom 1

It's literally the boss fight of episode 2

Mancubus or all the different pb variants yes

[torpid blaze]

interesting

how do i do that again?

chaotic random?

[gusty falcon]

I believe so and also raising the monster tier
Chaotic random does make it possible for any monster of any tier to show up

Although be prepared for quite powerful monsters possibly in level 1

[rustic bough]

I just telefragged a Cyberdemon and got splattered by his rocket at the same time....w.t.f?

[torpid blaze]

yeah, i still cant get past e1m1 with lastman on earth

[torpid blaze]

retribution - 5000 points

[gusty falcon]

That's the difficulty

[rustic bough]

instant

[gusty falcon]

Not the monster tier

[torpid blaze]

wait so i can set the monsters to tier 4 immediately?

[gusty falcon]

Yes you can

[torpid blaze]

nice

ok tommorow i get my refund money, then ill go play doom, im going to go aim for the mancubus flamethrower or the revenant missle launcher

how do i upgrade tho

[gusty falcon]

The upgradee spawn when you have it set to higher tiers

Although chaotic random lets some of the upgrades spawn as regular drops

Doom 1 secrets are pretty easy to find though

[vast reef]

lmfao if u want shit tons of enemies play complex doom

or death and decay, or god complex

PB has a weakshit 61 total monsters (weak in comparison to those other mods)

[vast reef]

laggy brutal doom with extra stuff

[vast reef]

not that hard with TSPG

[ornate vortex]

an add on that in my opinion ruins the whole dynamic of classic doom

i’ve tried it brutal doom before, both are pretty similar and they are pretty fun. But for me the magic of classic doom was just gone

In summary, im a sucker for boomer shooters and I just dislike things that try to modernise it into something that ends up completely changing the game

[ruby crater]

Old is gold

[ornate vortex]

agreed

[vast reef]

i'm fine with completely changing the game, it's a mod after all

like, isn't that what TCs do?

i just think of it as a sort of fangame at that point

[vast reef]

imo it just feels like a gory watered down version of complex doom, but eh PB was what got me into other monster packs because i found out that i really liked mods that add enemy variety because they do a great job of remixing levels i've already played

PB and brutal doom were letdowns for me after all the hype and praise i heard

[hexed escarp]

I personally think that the mods that modernize the weapon mechanics feel really weird

One thing I would like to see is a doom remake with completely modernized graphics but completely unchanged gameplay

And by remake I don’t mean a janky gzdoom mod that tries to upgrade the lighting and textures

I mean a complete remake in smthn like unreal engine with new models and levels made of props instead of just the original blocky geometry with upgraded materials

[dapper flint]

I'm in the school of thought that classic doom should just be classic doom. If you want to change something up for a little bit plenty of fantastic mods for that

[hexed escarp]

Yeah I agree with that for the most part, but I also love really good game graphics but I don’t enjoy the gameplay of modern shooters as much as classic doom so sometimes I wish there was smthn that had both

[tepid tulip]

I always find classic dooms aesthetics (and boomer shooters in general) great

[narrow condor]

I agree. I don't think Doom is missing anything as it is.

And Doom itself feels like only a stage for the map I'm playing, so I'm often too focused on the map itself to think about the stage.

[hexed escarp]

Yeah I’m not saying that it’s missing anything, I’m not saying that I would want to replace classic doom with this, I just think it would be a really cool thing to play

[narrow condor]

Oh, I wasn't suggesting otherwise, I was just contributing my remark to the other ones.

[hexed escarp]

Ah

[narrow condor]

I'm not that much of a purist. ;-P

[thin needle]

Sup men

Jesus is back

[inner nexus]

Uh satan stronger

[placid vortex]

How do you know

[thin needle]

@inner nexus but the jesus with the shotgun is stronger

[rustic bough]

WWSJD? What would shotgun Jesus do?

[rapid acorn]

How many wad is too much?

[ornate vortex]

There is never too much

[rapid acorn]

Oh good good

[ornate vortex]

I've played through like at least 30 wads

starting back from 2019

[rapid acorn]

I set up doom on my school computer it was fun fr fr

[ornate vortex]

I've done over 300 attempts of speedrunning for Rush map 11

and I still haven't even completed the map yet

[placid vortex]

Wdym

[rapid acorn]

I downloaded doom on the school computer

Das about it

Used gzdoom

Got the doom 2 wad

That’s it

[placid vortex]

K

[spice radish]

I got the shareware for Quake running on a school Mac once

[misty ferry]

idk what tspg is

[wide monolith]

I got Doom 2 on my school IPad I've been grinding it all of my math class

[misty ferry]

is there any way to use gzdoom when playing from zandorum?

[vast reef]

no

[vast reef]

the sentinel's playground

just look it up

[spice radish]

Source ports don’t work like that. Some take code from others but that’s about it and Zandronum is the closest multiplayer-in-mind-first GZDoom you’ll get next to maybe ZDaemon I guess?

[misty ferry]

is zdaemon good?

[spice radish]

Dunno I don’t use it

[misty ferry]

i dont have to play with gzdoom but i was wondering if it's even possible in multiplayer

[spice radish]

It’s rather popular thought

[spice radish]

I think it is? Just a pain in the ass to set up

[misty ferry]

i cant just add it on tspg?

[vast reef]

GZDoom is a pain in the ass to set up for multiplayer, tried it about a year ago and gave up

look up GZDoom multiplayer, there's a forum thread dedicated to it

[misty ferry]

is gzdoom the most used source port?

[vast reef]

no

for mods, yes

for vanilla doom i've seen it split between crispy doom, prboom, and dsda-doom with some woof users here and there

[misty ferry]

why those? is there anything special about them?

[vast reef]

of course crispy doom can't run boom or mbf21 stuff

[vast reef]

GZDoom doesn't have vanilla accurate behavior

crispy doom is pretty much a clone of the og exe without the limits, it's very close to the original

prboom can emulate pure vanilla behavior with complevels, and has lots of cool features to boot

dsda-doom is prboom with extra features for speedrunning and the awesome software-looking hardware renderer

haven't tried woof

[misty ferry]

that's nice to know

[vast reef]

yeah

[vast reef]

of course, this shouldn't discourage you from using it, as GZ is close enough

[misty ferry]

do you play multiplayer?

[vast reef]

it's just some minor differences used for speedruns that don't work

[vast reef]

yes

not much anymore but used to play lots of zandronum

[misty ferry]

are if the server is running a source port or not?

[vast reef]

i still play QC:DE every now and then

[vast reef]

hm?

i've only multiplayered over LAN or other people's servers :P

but yes, servers run the server software for source ports

[misty ferry]

hold on

server regularly run source port stuff?

so do i even need gz doom?

wouldnt i be able to run higher resolution and 360 aiming then?

[vast reef]

...yeah

most things run "source port stuff"

[vast reef]

again, gzdoom is not multiplayer-oriented

[misty ferry]

i just wanted it for the higher rez and free aim

[vast reef]

basically you choose between zandronum, odamex, and zdaemon

[vast reef]

zandronum has that

[misty ferry]

knowing i dont need it for it means a lot

then i'm chillen

also, i looked up qc:de and it seems like everything that makes up quake champions but pixelated and better balanced

so that seams neat

[vast reef]

qc:de is great fun, wouldn't say too much about being better balanced though, since some characters are death machines

[rapid acorn]

Hell yeah

[vast reef]

then again the fun you get from the other characters balances it out

[misty ferry]

also, thanks for the suggestion for tspg. video i was watching that was showing how to setup a server also used it and it seems wicked easy

[vast reef]

welcome

[fluid lion]

Psx doom

is a masterpiece

[vast reef]

yes

psx doom is awesome

[misty ferry]

isnt it just a port with different lighting and shading?

[vast reef]

some different levels too

[misty ferry]

that's neat

does it have coop?

[vast reef]

not sure since i didn't play it on an actual PSX

and i don't know if the CE mod works with zandro

[misty ferry]

You guys ever played that wad doom 4?

[fluid lion]

Basically, and different music, some new levelws

And combines doom 1 and 2 into one campaign

[fluid lion]

No, whats that?

[misty ferry]

Someone dreamed up a doom 4 essentially

Found it at the same time as a wad someoneade to demake doom 2016

[dapper flint]

Definitely give embers of armageddon. It's alot better than doom4 vanilla in my opinion

[ashen flicker]

Bro I’m stuck on e2m4

Prob cause I’m just bad

[fringe dew]

is here some fans of playstation doom ?

how about some extra levels with psx doom style for gzdoom / zandronum

[sick lance]

Quick question: if I purchase Doom on GOG, can I then use WADs with that version?

[royal heron]

yes

you just gotta extract them

[sick lance]

I’m sorry for asking so dumb but is there a tutorial on how to do it on YT? Making the jump over from console because of Blood but I want to also enjoy even more doom

And does it make a difference if I get Doom II or I for running WADs?

[dapper flint]

Absolutely and I highly recommend psx doom ce for gz

[fringe dew]

well, you could check my extra maps with psx doom style for gzdoom / zandronum https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/134303-psx-doom-the-forgotten-chapter/

[dapper flint]

Definitely will! Well done !

[sick lance]

Forget about my questions, it all works like a charm. I got both, Doom I and II on the current GOG sale and downloaded GZDoom, then Sigil and also purchased the Ukraine level, which I will now enjoy 😄 oh, the possibilities

[hard leaf]

Wich one is better between Zandronum and GZDoom ?

[narrow condor]

They have different focuses, so it doesn't make much sense to compare them.

If you want to play multiplayer, go with the former.

[hard leaf]

Thanks

I like to play Brutal Doom and I have many issues playing with GZDoom so i wondered if it would make a difference playing with Zandronum.

[sick lance]

Was there more stuff released by Romero besides Sigil, One Humanity, Phobos Mission Control and Tech Gone Bad?

[azure nimbus]

that's it as far as pwads

[lethal sedge]

Been playing through some of the addons in the Doom Enhanced ports

Did you know the original Double Impact's intermission screen uses a character from the cover art an unofficial Hungarian Doom book?

In the "official" add-on release, the character is replaced with a skin (eyepatch and cap) of the character Eisen from Quake Champions. Interesting character they picked to replace the original one

[hexed escarp]

in eviternity map14

when its at the part where you go outside

honestly what am i supposed to do there

because if i stand at the back of that cave that you start in, i just get shot by everything, and its impossible to dodge bc ice physics are garbage

but if i run out, im just in the middle of everything, and ice physics are still garbage

and if i run past the icy area, im just in the middle of more enemies and there is all of the ones that i left behind shooting me in the back

so honestly how am i supposed to not get fucked there

[dapper flint]

Very cool . Really liked double impact especially the last level

[placid vortex]

Do people like doom 64 or doom 2 more? I’ve never played either and I intend to play them in order but I was just wondering

[halcyon elm]

I like 64 more

[lethal sedge]

Play and see for yourself, only you can tell what you'll like more

If you finished Ultimate Doom, go right to Doom 2 then Doom 64

My suggestion really

[spice radish]

From what I’ve seen generally Doom 64 is liked more. I share this opinion. Yeah Doom 2 introduced the Super Shotgun and a ton of iconic monsters but I feel it’s more of a chore to play through then most other MegaWADS or Classic Doom and Doom 64

It’s level design is either really good or just bad. The city levels suck and The Chasm is tedious as all hell. Soundtracks a bop though.

[finite crag]

I heard the chasm came from petersen's nightmare

And he made sure he could share it to others

This guy is literally the beta version of plutonia

[placid vortex]

ik this is a dumb question but what was the first doom game to allow you to look up

[narrow condor]

Not a dumb question at all. Now I wonder which source port first added it. I know Hexen and Heretic had it (with ugly y-shearing) though.

It's probably one of the many features backported from Hexen, such as MAPINFO and ACS.

I'm going to hazard a guess and say DOSDoom.

It's the oldest source port I know that has freelook.

[vast reef]

technically doom 1

[placid vortex]

Idk what backporting is

But I get the gist

what’s DOSdoom

[narrow condor]

Backporting means porting a feature from a newer version of a software to an older version. In this case, it's idTech 1 (just called 'Doom engine' at the time).

DOSDoom is a port of Linux Doom to MS-DOS that was briefly popular in the '90s.

[placid vortex]

Hm

[azure nimbus]

how technically doom 1?

that's a port then

maybe because it's official

[vast reef]

technically because the port in question came out in 1997, and you could use it for both doom 1 and doom 2

and the game that came out first is doom 1

it's technically with a big asterisk on it

but honestly, it's doom 3 if we're only considering official ports

[finite crag]

What's you guys favorite official doom map? So from D1/D2/TNT/Plut (no pwads or w/e)

[dapper flint]

Map 29 doom 2

[ornate vortex]

Caughtyard

Either that or Go 2 It

It really got me into slaughter maps

If it wasn't for Plutonia in general, I wouldn't have found doomworld and all the pwads made

[dapper flint]

Go2it us definitely a blast

[azure nimbus]

it really defined what classic style slaughter is

[ornate vortex]

A lot of people say historically wise, Go 2 It in Plutonia was the first slaughter map, personally I think it was Squares

[narrow condor]

It may not have been the first example of a slaughter map, but it's certainly the map that codified the idea.

[dull portal]

E1M8 Phobos Anomaly

I just like the simplicity of this level. It has a unique ending with the whole demon ambush and the introduction of Barons was cool.

Also.... Sign Of Evil is such an amazing track, probably my favourite piece of music from the Classics. It fits this level incredibly and it is the main reason why I like E1M8 so much

[finite crag]

I personally love go 2 it as well

I like the completely optional secret section of the map, gave it a sense of exploring

e1m3 is also great

like odyssey of noises from plutonia

[placid vortex]

Ok this morning I beat the first level of 64 and the chainsaw is really powerful

[finite crag]

I can't find some favorite maps for the most part

I would say hangar for doom 1 tho (obviously)

I rarely like some of the maps in doom 1 due to how they are mazey as fuck

I haven't finished doom 2 yet but i already like tricks and traps

Plutonia tho is straight up none

Although i like hordes of revenants in my face

As long as i have enough cover

Fuck chaingunners tho

[dapper flint]

Absolutely. Best in the series

[placid vortex]

Is there no mission select

For individual saves in 93

[azure nimbus]

can jump to any level but it doesn't keep the save's progress

[hexed escarp]

lmao im playing eviternity map15 and i am incredibly lost

i took heavy damage fighting two archviles in this long hallway, and ran all the way back to the slaughter room to get a soulsphere i left there after that fight

and now i cant find my way back

[finite crag]

i think your stuck bruh

[placid vortex]

That’s the only reason I would collect secrets, to see that I collected them

So that kinda sucks

[hexed escarp]

I found my way eventually

It just took a while and some doom builder snooping

[grizzled swan]

Doom 1 or doom 2?

[vast reef]

doom 2 for wads imo

if you're on PC definitely get doom 2

if you're on console base doom 1 is better than doom 2

[limpid flare]

TNT map 30 last call

[finite crag]

I agree

e2 and e3 suffer from this a lot

Not liking plutonia idk tho easily the best mappack imo

[finite crag]

Plutonia maps aren't too mazey

Its basically just apocalypse

If I judge final doom, I would say that both tnt evilution and plutonia are opposite in terms of enemies and maps

[placid vortex]

Whoever thought adding mazes to a shooter game was dead wrong

[finite crag]

Wolfenstein 3D maps are worse than just a regular maze

I wanted to play it but the absolute nightmare from the maze would make me dizzy every fucking time

I don't mind if the map is pretty mazey as long as it has easier navigation

This is why decorations plays an important role when it comes to mapping

[dapper flint]

Brutal wolfenstein actually us the most fun way to experience wolf now. Don't let the name fool you. It's isn't like brutal doom. It's just a more updated fast paced shoot em up classic wolf experience

I highly recommend it

https://youtu.be/qIFMDhS65Tk

[ornate vortex]

Absolutely. Personally I prefer Plutonia to TNT Evilution, since I find that TNT Evilution is kinda maze heavy in some cases as well as exploration heavy. Whereas Plutonia is very combat heavy.

and then there's also Habitat, we don't talk about Habitat

[azure nimbus]

most memorable tnt level

[ornate vortex]

I think that title should go to Wormhole imo

That's a level in TNT I really like

[ornate vortex]

for all the wrong reasons

[spice radish]

Plutonias brutal but has great level design. Fuck Hunted though. Well of Souls invisible bridge can also fuck right off

[ornate vortex]

Plutonia for official doom is brutal compared to the other maps. But the wads the community have made are just stems of plutonia but on a whole new level

[vast reef]

i like getting lost

honestly the only problem is with empty-ish mazes, i'm damn sure if those were filled to the brim with enemies you'd find it engaging

[placid vortex]

Not really

I just don’t like mazes

[narrow condor]

I don't mind getting lost if the author doesn't deny me the automap but I don't like not knowing what to do and circling around the map to find a clue.

[vast reef]

i hate circling around the map for 30 minutes because i don't know what to do

that's one of my biggest fun killers

but good mapmakers make it obvious what you should do next

[tired heron]

I finally beat Plutonia on UV for the first time :)

[azure nimbus]

wormhole has a good reputation but also...like...is slogging through pointless hallways

[broken heron]

Kind of a tangential question, but anyone know of any good books similar to Masters of Doom, either on Doom or other classic game studios?

[torpid blaze]

doom 1 or doom 2

[torpid blaze]

wikipedia every doom game and id softwae

[rare ridge]

should I buy these on my ps5

[torpid blaze]

do you perfer doom 1 or 2,

[rare ridge]

idk never played either

[tepid tulip]

For me I kinda enjoy TNT Evilution more than Plutonia but maybe it's me getting floored so early that I kinda don't care for it

Regardless, I dunno maybe I like the soundtrack in some levels of TNT Evilution and it's beginning stretch of levels

It isn't perfect but I still enjoy a lot of it

[vast reef]

awful answer

since i'm assuming they've already done that

not necessarily about the game's production process, but i liked reading the doom game engine black book

but if you're not into the game's technical aspects, it's probably not a good read

[vast reef]

doom 1's levels hit harder for me, i have so many memorable moments from my first playthrough compared to my first doom 2 playthrough

[hexed escarp]

In the mbf21 complevel or lower, is it possible to disable the hard coded telefragging behavior of map30 and just make it act like any other map?

[azure nimbus]

for monster spawners? On mbf and higher, only you and monster spawners telefrag on map30. Its boom and below that have everything telefrag on 30. I'd use instakill floors or something for mbf21 instead

[dapper flint]

Is dsdas default comp mbf21?? Damn

[azure nimbus]

You can change it.

[narrow condor]

Can you make it so that monsters can telefrag you (besides the spawners) in MBF21?

In any level, I mean.

I can imagine puzzles around trying to kill monsters on conveyor belts before they reach the teleporter to telefrag you.

[azure nimbus]

idk

[fickle adder]

final doom

[vast reef]

duke nukem 3D

[fickle adder]

[vast reef]

:Femalederp:

[lofty wyvern]

2

[ruby crater]

The emotes here are great

ORIGINAL DOOM SLAPS LIKE NO OTHER. Dive in and explore the near infinite amount of content created by fans who genuinely love the game and the experience OG Doom provides.

[dapper flint]

Don't think so

[grizzled swan]

Is doom 64 worth playing?

[echo tundra]

definetly

[dapper flint]

Absolutely

[hexed escarp]

Does anybody else have issues where the Eviternity menu demos do not play properly?

[finite crag]

Yes very much so