classic-doom

[vast reef]

seems fun

[dusty totem]

It is! And it wasnt even on UV from map 7

[tepid tulip]

I heard of how iconic/dreaded Sunlust is

Tho my skill level in base Doom isn't high yet, I'd have to work my way up different maps before my skills will be more advanced

[vast reef]

the fact that there's way harder can be scary

[dusty totem]

I cant do UV sunlust past map 8 i just suggest playing it on hmp

No shame in that

The gap between hmp and uv gets bigger as maps go on. So its still doable, but still a challenge that will take many attempts

[vast reef]

my biggest problem with wads is not knowing where the fuck to go next because i can't tell what's supposed to be a switch or a door sometimes

opening doomwiki for a walkthrough is a tradeoff because you save time and don't get frustrated spending too long searching, but you don't have that awesome feeling of discovering it yourself

[dusty totem]

Idk i never used the doom wiki

[vast reef]

i never really played games with levels that required navigational skills up until 2019

[dusty totem]

Okay only to know how to change music and map

Idk i never had that problem

Only in maps like dehydration or smth

But i understadn the classic doom levels are quite unsensical to non-doom players

[vast reef]

9-year-old me was severely stuck on E1M1 because i didn't know that the door was a door

or that space would open it

[dusty totem]

Eviternity map 12 secret be like

[vast reef]

lmao

[dusty totem]

Shoot 5 switches

I just found out sunder doesnt have difficulties

[vast reef]

neat

ngl now that i think about it i rarely really bother with difficulties

[dusty totem]

Idk i still play allot of HMP

[vast reef]

i tend to assume UV's out of my range and kinda just forget about the easier difficulties

[dusty totem]

I play hmp for my first playthrough on harder wads

[vast reef]

i should really go back and replay some wads on UV

[dusty totem]

But uv the second time

I guess i can play on skill 0 on sunder to make it easier

Im going to start going down wad maybe

But the first map was kind of a slow burner and stopped playing

[finite crag]

I dont think there's a point in playing sunder on lower difficulties

the experience is how tough it is

going down is pretty fun I still need to finish it

[tepid tulip]

Oh yeah there's harder

Like I heard of okuplok

You must be a Doom god or a lunatic touhou player in order to survive

But even then your chances are slim

[spice radish]

I watched Zero Master do a speedrun of that map. Yeah it was TAS but the amount of projectiles in that map is actually insane

[tepid tulip]

No joke I seen a part where he's streaming mancubus projectiles

And reminded me of touhou streaming

[finite crag]

good ol okuplok

wonder if he was really a cheater or not

[narrow condor]

There are no other difficulties.

Insane_Gazebo didn't implement other skill levels for Sunder.

You could play with ITYTD to reduce the damage you take, I suppose.

[narrow condor]

It's a TAS run, so that's kind of a moot point...

[vast reef]

he meant okuplok the player/mapper

not ZM

[narrow condor]

Oh, that thing, I get it now.

He left the community over it, didn't he?

[vast reef]

yep iirc

[dapper flint]

tas is neat but doesn't interest me much

[vast reef]

tas is basically just game knowledge and routing afaik
you're basically trying to come up with the perfect run

haven't done one myself

[halcyon willow]

It's a lot more work than that

A full TAS. Zeromaster described his process for the nightmare doom 2 TAS and it was madness. Something like 25,000 pinpoint perfect frames

The way he kills the IOS is

[spice radish]

The one where he does the pacifist run?

I know that one was TAS but man it must have been a pain to set up

[halcyon willow]

I think so yes

[winged frigate]

Steam

[ornate vortex]

Maps 1 and 2 are surprisingly easy for where sunder is in the difficulty chart (They look hard but they're actually not so bad)

It's more the maps after sunder 2009 that deserve that spot, they take a wad that's already pretty hard slaughter into something utterly monstrous

"Beneath the Waves of Styx" is by far one of the hardest doom levels i've casually beaten

It took me like 4 hours

and that one massive fight in the middle of the map, took me about 70 attempts to clear

[halcyon willow]

The new sunder maps are next level

There's a couple of the originals that are pretty spicy but yeah, gazebo got meaner

[vast reef]

oh god damn

[halcyon willow]

Yeah it's crazy

It becomes more like programming

Manipulating the rng to give you what you want

[vast reef]

yep

what i meant in my og message was that the skill's pretty much just mental instead of mechanical

[halcyon willow]

ah right

yeah not wrong there

[finite crag]

basically what I meant

[finite crag]

No I mean the player okuplok, he got outed for cheating and then dissappeared from the community

He had a 300k Holy Hell run on youtube back in the day

[woeful creek]

Just bought DOOM II on iOS a week ago, been playing it in my free time at school, already on Map06

[azure nimbus]

be careful around the monsters

[ornate vortex]

Is it me or is berserk really inconsistent?

Just constantly having fights where the berserk won't hit the monster (probably due to janky hitboxes)

[spice radish]

Sometimes monsters just won’t go into there pain state

[dapper flint]

Depends on the port. Gz definitely has satisfying berserk

[azure nimbus]

it's jank. with practice, you can be consistent on most enemies
However, arachnos and manc require knowledge of the blockmap to punch well

[ionic sable]

https://youtu.be/Uf3Sy801osY

[narrow condor]

It's definitely a hitbox thing. GZDoom's collision detection is so satisfying. Not just for things like chainsawing mancubi but also for pressing buttons in a rush.

[weary spade]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/schism1/downloads/schism-097-test

Schism 097 is finally released for public test, after 1.5 years since 096

[azure nimbus]

it's less of the box itself and more how the doom engine handles hitscan. Your hitscan needs to intersect both the same block that the monster's origin is in and part of a diagonal the hitbox that's in that block

[west knot]

TNT 2 deadass has a Habitat 2 and it is actually the greatest map

[vast reef]

question, after beating a map with saves do you tend to retry saveless or move on to the next map in the wad?

[azure nimbus]

While I'll almost always return to play saveless, sometimes I wonder how many more levels I could get through if not for spending weeks on one level like nosp229

[ornate vortex]

For me it depends

if i'm planning on speedrunning the level then obviously. I usually do a couple of unrecorded runs where I save now and then

[azure nimbus]

I might personally draw the line at speedrunning. I tried speedrunning some of Anteresian Reliquary because I figured that it'd be easy to single segment, but didn't enjoy that as much. I ended up putting of playing reliquary until I "just" single segmented without trying to go fast

[dusty totem]

Idk i cant play the original doom maps anymore, the modern wads are too good

[tepid tulip]

I usually enjoy both, it is always nice to run through ep1 Doom or first half of Doom 2 honestly

But Wads like eviternity are masterclasses too

[hexed escarp]

Does anybody here have experience with running doom under dosbox?

I’ve gotten it working very well except for one very annoying issue

Audio

At the default settings there is super duper annoying audio delay and I tried adjusting them and it got rid of the audio delay but it made the sounds sound super crunchy

actually, the way i have it configured rn both issues are present

its delayed and crunchy

btw by crunchy i mean it has a lot of static idk

[ornate vortex]

im speedrunning eviternity and it’s made me realise that its way better playing casually

ive just found it stressful more than anything compared to other wads

[dapper flint]

Doom the way id did is a good way to freshn up the experience

[vast reef]

was rush designed to be pistol started

[ornate vortex]

Pretty sure it is

[vast reef]

thanks

[hexed escarp]

wait is the monster placement in plutonia the same on every difficulty?

[vast reef]

the monsters change and/or you get extra ones i'm pretty sure

[hexed escarp]

ok

i was just confused because i was looking at map3 in editor and none of the monsters seemed to be skill specific

[vast reef]

i haven't beaten plutonia on UV past map01 but i remember one enemy getting replaced by a revenant

[hexed escarp]

and i checked doomwiki and it seems that map in particular has nearly identical placement between skill levels

[vast reef]

ahhh

[hexed escarp]

im trying to do this rn

im on map03, and i realized for this one i forgot to set it to uv

but after checking its actually the same between hmp and uv

[vast reef]

ooh, good luck

[hexed escarp]

so im good

[hexed escarp]

thx, ive only ever played doom maps on continuous (saving at the beginning of each level so i never lose my stuff) and on hmp so in an attempt to get better im attempting to pistol start plutonia on uv

[hexed escarp]

im playing on dosbox for authenticity sake and it works amazing except for the sound issues i described up here which are incredibly annoying and i dont know how to fix

i cannot deal with this frikken room with the invisible bridge and arachnotrons

[azure nimbus]

you'll get it. I belieb

[hexed escarp]

the main issue is that i have no rockets

i used them all up in the bs room with the teleporting baron and archie

i have plenty of shotgun and chaingun ammo

but theres no ssg in this map

also dealing with the chaingunners is infuriatingly rng dependent

[azure nimbus]

chaingun is great for stunlocking arachnos at least

[hexed escarp]

ok i dealt with that room

but how do i get to the arachnotrons on the other side

there is a teleporter that goes to two of them, but how do i get up to the other two

i want 100% kills

[azure nimbus]

those might need to be killed at range if I remember

[narrow condor]

Just played M23 of SoD. I ended up being ammo and health starved for the whole map until the very end, where I found the rocket launcher (I had 100 rockets already), the megasphere and the megaarmour but I had all the kills already.

[hexed escarp]

yeah, they did

[azure nimbus]

I'm curious; when did you go for the bfg and how'd you kill the spooderdemon? I did those super early

[narrow condor]

I did that early too. It was the hardest part of the map for me.

I had to kill the mancubus standing by the BFG very slowly with a chaingun as the cyberdemons were taking potshots at me.

Then I savescummed until imps distracted the spiderdemon enough for me to run up and kill the archvile. But I still cleared the top floor before jumping to get the BFG and taking down the spiderdemon.

I'm not sure how the spiderdemon portion was supposed to be done though.

[azure nimbus]

I've been lazy uploading my SoD videos. I played it last summer and only posted the first bunch

[narrow condor]

I've been playing SoD and Resurgence on and off for the past few months whenever I feel like playing something challenging and I've been playing constrained mappacks like 3x3 and 10sectors between those.

[azure nimbus]

It has some harder hitters

[narrow condor]

For real

I played Resurgence up to M11 (the one with three teleporter gates), took a look at the starting arena and said 'nope, I'm doing this later.'

~1800 monsters

[azure nimbus]

can't get too concerned about monster counts. NoSp2 map16 has some 13 000 monsters but I'd call it easier than Flotsam map01's <200 enemies

With that said, there is a point where the computer straightup can't handle it lol

[narrow condor]

Haha

I mean, fair, the arena seemed to be mostly composed of a sea of imps.

I noticed that newer maps not only tend to hide secret sectors from the automap but also hide interactable sidedefs that trigger secrets as regular walls.

[azure nimbus]

Nothing gets past the editor though haha

[narrow condor]

Haha true

Doom 404 does this and its secrets are rather opaque too.

Subtle things like a regular stretch of wall with the same texture as the others except it has barrels next to it.

Since it doesn't appear on the automap, you'd have no way of noticing it if you blow up the barrels.

[azure nimbus]

that sounds rude

[narrow condor]

I know, right?

[azure nimbus]

Nef's new disorder mapset has its map04 being almost entirely hidden on the map and manages to have 3 secret keys throughout. idk where to find them

[narrow condor]

I think that's even worse — denying the player the automap.

[azure nimbus]

There are two automaps that reveal hidden text thoughout the level

[narrow condor]

Hmm

[azure nimbus]

so no 100 % items

[narrow condor]

Surely that can't be an omission, since the two computer area maps problem was known since Monster Condo.

[azure nimbus]

I mean it's no big deal

I will never collect an item

[hexed escarp]

is it just me or does plutonia sort of punish players for doing the usual strategies

[finite crag]

Honestly kinda, but I personally find that to be why it’s so great

[hexed escarp]

yeah

it seems to know every move i am going to make and has an enemy there specifically to counter it

its can be super cool

or it can be super infuriating

[hexed escarp]

eviternities soundtrack does not get enough recognition

i mean yes, dean of doom said eviternity has the best soundtrack of any doom wad

but that doesnt do it justice in the slightest

every single song in the whole wad slaps so hard

[dapper flint]

Some of thee best winter tracks

[narrow condor]

I wouldn't call it punishing but it forces you to expect every way the tide can turn against you by plugging all obvious gaps in fights, so you have sometimes no choice but to die in a trap to learn how it works and how to beat it. Once you've played enough, the traps start to feel somewhat predictable though.

Oddly enough, I didn't find (most of) the traps annoying or frustrating. It felt more like a cheeky game of the map and the player trying to one-up each other, if that makes sense.

[ornate vortex]

Sunlust’s soundtrack isn’t exactly something you can vibe to but it’s definitely elite

but I agree, eviternity’s soundtrack is really damn good

[dusty totem]

Eviternity is the best theming wad ever

Everything in maps just works together very well to make a polished experience

[ornate vortex]

definitely heavily inspired by how scythe II split its maps

[dusty totem]

Scythe 2 also has good theming but eviternity nails the music better

[ornate vortex]

Scythe II is also much harder than eviternity

[dusty totem]

True, the diffculty rampup is real good tho

[ornate vortex]

I hate the evil marines

[ornate vortex]

very sudden, whereas eviternity’s is pretty consistent

[dusty totem]

Yeah, the difficulty stays abit same and sometimes even drops

[ornate vortex]

Episode 3 of eviternity was when it got hard for me

[dusty totem]

The hardest level being exclusive to map 32

Yeah episode 3 starts to feel harder to play

But eviternity was one of my first wads so every level felt hard in their own way

Learned doom as i got along

[ornate vortex]

fair enough

suppose it’s a great wad to start on

[dusty totem]

It is! But i think you will get spoiled hard as a first time player by eviternity

[ornate vortex]

the first pwad i played was rush (of course it was)

I managed to play up to map 7 and then things got pretty tough

[dusty totem]

Eviternity is huge in quality compared to the many other pwads

[ornate vortex]

that’s because of OTEX

it’s pretty good

but I personally prefer using cc4tex

[dusty totem]

Yeah, if classic doom keeps making more community projects like that it would be pog tho

Im not a mapper so idk maybe im asking too much

[ornate vortex]

I find a lot of community projects suffer from limitations

Making a pwad by yourself is a lot harder tho

[dusty totem]

Yeah, making 20 quality maps isnt easy haha

[ornate vortex]

Yep, i burn out usually after 4 maps because I feel as if they won’t come across as good

idk how people like ribbiks manage to make really good layouts consistently

[dusty totem]

Yeah, good work ethic i guess

And much concentration

I mean making 5 maps like eviternity 19 on your own is something i would just stop mapping after

[ornate vortex]

short maps are nice tho, but again, layouts are annoying

[dusty totem]

Yeah, you can also make many short maps with a strong identity

[fringe scroll]

If i remember right Doom 2 was one of my first games what i play on PC

Intel pentium 1 😄

good times, good memories

[long pumice]

Any tips or ways to get around doing Doom 2s nightmare achievement? I've on xbox and have been struggling, have really only gotten to map 11

[royal heron]

The biggest things really is to practice and learn the routing of the level

Watching other people do speedruns can also help as you can pick up tips from them

[long pumice]

I've been doing that, how fast the enemies respawn in nightmare and where they spawn messes me up

[azure nimbus]

take advantage of respawning in coop(you keep keys) and of continuous play. map28's bfg, backpack and RL help a ton for map29

[long pumice]

Map 28 and 29 I'm not looking forward to. I guess I haven't been fully using respawning since I'm trying nightmare solo (with two controllers but I let the other one go idle). If I take to long more demons spawn but if I try to speedrun a level I die within a few minutes

[dapper flint]

Give it a go on solo net. Shit gets wild

[azure nimbus]

28 is really easy. You get 5 invulns. It being nightmare doesn't matter. The main thing with 28 is trying to exit with a full backpack so you can beat 29

[gusty falcon]

Interesting it seems I've found the true best doom experience on 3ds and its the retroarch prboom core

Because it supports midi playback

And It even supports custom wads and their music

[azure nimbus]

the D in 3ds stands for doom

[gusty falcon]

Haha

[vast reef]

retroarch prboom core ❤️

that was how i first played doom

[weary spade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663900562269405185/1069411755509432340/2023-01-30_01-17-32.mp4

My mod for Doom, - Schism. Just added new combos for paladin character

Basically it recreates combat system of early mortal kombat

[spice radish]

Are the hand sprites taken from Heretic or custom made? Either way it all looks fantastic

[vale gyro]

Aight. I have been burnt out from doom, and now I need a map; something around my skill level of finding HMP hard. I need an excuse to play doom again.

[weary spade]

@spice radish yeah, its based on Hexen and Heretic sprites (punches from Hexen, idle from Heretic), expanded by some good artists and also me personally

https://www.moddb.com/mods/schism1

Here is the rest of stuff

[spice radish]

I’ll definitely check this out later

[torpid lake]

is there gzdoom for android

thats free and is not freedoom

[finite crag]

The first part is yes, the second not free. Delta Touch is a bundle of Doom source ports that includes GZDoom, but you have to pay for it. On top of that you have to supply your own iwads.

[proper bough]

@torpid lake if you dont want freedoom then idk

i'd download google opinion rewards to get some google play credit if money really is that tight. then once you have enough credit download delta touch like @finite crag said

[finite crag]

It's not even that expensive. like $2.50 USD.

[torpid lake]

the problem is that i dont even know if i will use it

i dont wanna pay for something i might not use or play that much

i mean i just wanna run this one mod called merciless extermination

i just dont know how to run it

i tried to run it on its own, with doom 2 and nothing

just keeps crashing

and google opinion rewards isn even in my country

[azure nimbus]

make sure that you're running gzdoom

[pearl osprey]

If you are running GZDoom with gameplay altering mods anyways, then I don't see what's the issue of using freedoom

[dapper flint]

Both Dooms are like one dollar. If you can't pick it up then you have bigger problems

[pearl osprey]

Easier said than done tbh

If you are a kid in a third world country good luck convincing your parents

[ornate vortex]

I finally finished map 2 of eviternity

dunno if 3:00 is good pace but it’ll have to do since I ain’t got a lot of time

[dapper flint]

Yeah bigger problem for sure

[proper bough]

if they are that desperate im sure they could find the apk online if they tried

[hexed escarp]

Did anybody else see the streamer barbarousking play through doom and doom 2 for the first time?

His playthrough was really funny, I wish he would play plutonia, I bet that would have been hilarious

Although he likely won’t ever bc he is primarily a Mario YouTuber

[dusty totem]

I have so many wads to play help

What are more good modern wads?

My catalogue isnt big enough

[hexed escarp]

Eviternity

[torpid lake]

i got them from doom eternal which had the 2 doom wads

built in

pretty cool they actually give you final doom and doom 2 for free if you have doom eternal

i saw something on github called gzdoom for android

its gzdoom 3.1.0

thats cool cuz freedoom just has gzdoom 2

its fork of d-touch

yeah nvm ill just see when i can buy delta touch

[vast reef]

HMP on what wad, doom 1?

since iirc that was what you were playing

finding a map for that skill level tends to be pretty hard

[azure nimbus]

There is definitely stuff around that. Doomkid makes lots of content on the more IWAD side of things, and scythe(1+2) also don't stray all that far from iwads until the later levels

[vast reef]

i mean at the point of finding HMP hard

i was also thinking of scythe 1+2

[hexed escarp]

Be careful, the wads that come with doom eternal are slightly different

They are the bfg edition wads, which should be fine for the most part but you may run into issues with certain mods and ports

[torpid lake]

i mean

i ran them both on my computer and they obviously worked

like mods they all ran

im running eoa rn and it works fine

so yeah its pretty much on the side of freedoom

but hey at least brutal doom does work

does anyone have mods that work on gzdoom 2?

like some great mods

[ionic sable]

https://youtu.be/2WaRofpg_tQ

[torpid lake]

how to get crosshair working on freedoom

for android

[pearl osprey]

Try crosshair 1 in the console

[torpid lake]

cool

[vast reef]

supercharge

project malice ig

just check out icarusLIVES's youtube channel

pretty much one of the best place to find doom mods ngl

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgp_adxCQiesfxKYIqIE9yQ

[torpid lake]

they all work on freedoom right?

freedoom for android

[vast reef]

wait shit i didn't read the gzdoom 2 part

project malice is a no afaik

supercharge, probably works

[torpid lake]

yeah checked that

[vast reef]

are you playing on mobile out of necessity (no PC) or because you want portable gameplay

[torpid lake]

brutal doom works for some reason which is pretty cool

[vast reef]

which version

[torpid lake]

no i have a pc i just like to play portable too

[torpid lake]

uh latest

21 i think

[vast reef]

ah nice

[vast reef]

damn, i'm surprised it works

[torpid lake]

its actually the closest thing i have to merciless extermination

[vast reef]

if you can't find any good gameplay mods, try playing some mapsets
vanilla doom is still loads of fun, new maps can be more fun than gameplay mods imo

[vast reef]

is merciless extermination a mod or game

or do you mean actual merciless extermination

[torpid lake]

its a mod

for doom 2

and its awesome, i mean not as good as eoa

[torpid lake]

that didnt work

[hexed escarp]

Are there any ports that support mbf21 but not umapinfo?

[pearl osprey]

Compare these two lists:

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/MBF21#Supported_ports

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/UMAPINFO#Supported_ports

Looks like every single port that has MBF21 compatibility also has umapinfo

but not the other way around

[hexed escarp]

Hmm seems like the only issues are that doom retro only has partial umapinfo support and eternity engine only supports it in the dev builds

[azure nimbus]

what types of wads is doom retro for?

[hexed escarp]

Idk

[pearl osprey]

It's based on chocolate doom but supports limit removing and boom

It makes doom kind of look more like wolfienstien or other old arcade games

[hexed escarp]

I'm just wondering if I could make a wad that requires both and just call it mbf21 compatible

[azure nimbus]

I think that's fine to do. nobody is playing mbf21 outside of dsda, woof or trying to on gz.

[azure nimbus]

seems like it comes with a few optional graphics changes

[pearl osprey]

If I was planning on replaying doom sometime later I would like to do it with Doom Retro

[azure nimbus]

I used to push for Woof a lot but now that dsda has controller support, it has pretty much everything I want: wide-screen, high res, demo compatability for vanilla, boom, mbf, mbf21, controller support, umapinfo, removed limits and video dump capabilities. with the new indexed mode for opengl, the game runs faster than ever while maintaining the software look

[dapper flint]

Gzs controller support is still smoother. Can't really switch to other ports now because they just feel slightly off. Not a deal breaker but I'm pretty comfortable

[hexed escarp]

I'm really glad that my first ever doom playthrough was on chocolate

Sure it's not great to use normally but I'm glad I had that experience

And i actually kinda like playing at 320x200

In a very counterintuitive way, it actually makes it more immersive to me

I think it's because when I'm at higher resolution, the lack of detail in everything is much more noticeable and everything looks much more flat and bland

That's why I'm using dosbox rn for my first Plutonia uv playthrough

Does anybody else experience this?

[dapper flint]

I don't understand the detail thing but I do like software and chonk from time to time. Just looks nice

[hexed escarp]

Idk ig when everything is low detail, it makes it less noticeable how low detail the level geometry itself is

[narrow condor]

I just came across one of the meanest little tricks in a map: You begin the map by dropping down onto a small platform surrounded by nukage with a cacodemon corpse right in front of you, occluding your view as every monster in the arena starts shooting at you.

I instinctively ran straight forward and was greeted by a chaingunner.

[royal heron]

dang, that sounds cruel

[azure nimbus]

having a single caco is mean

[narrow condor]

I do appreciate the ingenuity of intentionally using the most annoyingly big corpse in the game to block your vision.

[hexed escarp]

Does anybody know of anyone who has done a first time playthrough of plutonia on YouTube?

[narrow condor]

Searching for 'Plutonia blind playthrough' yields a few results on YouTube.

[hexed escarp]

Yeah

I feel like first time reactions to that would be so funny

[finite crag]

GUYS

YOU'LL NEVER BELIEVE WHAT I JUST DID

IM ACTUALLY PLAYING THE OG DOOM ON MY SCHOOL COMPUTER WHAT!?!?!?

[vast reef]

weak

i beat doom and got a new devil daggers PB on the school computer

[remote hare]

Mass numbers of demon carcass in your path can truly be a mess, especially on slaughtermaps with higher/lower platforms

I died in Sunder particularly because of this multiple times

You cant see ammo or distant homing revenant fireballs if you stand on low ground having corpses blocking your vision 🤣

[spice radish]

There’s many ways to do this yes

[vast reef]

what're some wads that look ugly as sin but play surprisingly well

aside from some wads that are intentionally meant to look weird/fucky (ala magenta spire) i haven't really encountered any

[hexed escarp]

damn plutonia map06 is fun

[halcyon willow]

Anything by benjogami

I'm not sure ugly as sin is quite thw right term? But he has some weird visual ideas

Hard as fuck maps though, be warned going in

But if that interests you check out Toilet of the Gods, and Egg of Human Endeavour

[ornate vortex]

old joe ilya maps

[halcyon willow]

He did a few maps in Abandon as well

[halcyon willow]

They asked for maps that play well

[ornate vortex]

forgot abt that part

[azure nimbus]

map 04 is pretty good but does have the benjo Benjo eccentricity

[narrow condor]

Down the Drain by them is also purposely ugly but in a different way.

Instead of eye-burning mish-mash of shapes and textures, it's got amateurish geometry, jagged walls, minimal texture palette and otherwise overly simplistic design.

(And somehow still manages to appear better than Gene Bird's Wolf3D-esque map design.)

[vast reef]

thanks

[hexed escarp]

damn plutonia caughthard is difficult

[viral tree]

anyone who uses zandronum is there a way to put it in 1080p without it cutting off in fullscreen

im on 3.1

[warped jungle]

I can believe it matter of fact

[azure nimbus]

bear in that benjo maps are hard.

[halcyon willow]

Hard is an understatement lol

[azure nimbus]

I think his Flotsam01 is still my "most attempts per single level" ever at some 1400

[halcyon willow]

that map is mean

[azure nimbus]

I took a death to the last cyber on the telefrag sequence :(

[hexed escarp]

I can’t get past the revenants in caughtyard

[azure nimbus]

I found it helpful to lure them into the part where you jump to the key to get good shots off. Otherwise, they're real tricky to dodge on the rafters

[finite crag]

any dosbox doomers here?

[proper bough]

dont rain on their parade

[vale gyro]

Kinda me, I’m more crispy/woof now, but I tend to still use dosbox

[hexed escarp]

Me

Altho I've only been using it for a small amount of time

I'm currently doing my first uv pistol start playthrough of Plutonia on dosbox

I love it completely except for the sound

The sound is super finicky for me

The music works well, but the sfx either sound super crackly or super delayed

[tiny acorn]

Guess i'll take my Doom 2 talks here

Playing the addons. My god they're so hard

[dapper flint]

You haven't seen what hard is ...

[tiny acorn]

I'm unfortunately not a gaming god

So whats easy for you isn't so easy for me

[waxen zealot]

Laughs in Sunlust

[tiny acorn]

Can't wait

[dapper flint]

Btsx plus is as hard as it gets in addons.

[tiny acorn]

I hate myself so i'll check it out later/tomorrow

I can play Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal fairly well on Ultra-Violence, yet, i struggle on anything above Hey, Not Too Rough on the older Doom games. I guess i'm just shit lol

Fairly well meaning i only die like once or twice instead of 5 or 6 or 7 times. My situational awareness is not that good

[waxen zealot]

Dw man, it's fine, Classic Doom is a huge difference than the modern doom games and are not very comparable. After a few hours spent in it, you will get good :>

[craggy bone]

Classic and modern Doom require very different things from the player tbh

Resource management is much more important in classic because everything's finite

Unless you have an archvile resurrecting zombies haha

[vocal jetty]

i love map d2 map15 🙂 its so fun getting clapped by hitscanners

i'm totally not malding 😄

[spice radish]

Would argue and say Eternal has the most resource management. Classic Doom is rather generous most of the time it's fan made stuff that gets stingy. Though Sigil (Which I'd argue is semi-official) can be super stingy with ammo on Ultra-Violence and above.

[thick scroll]

classic doom didnt require much thought tbh

[azure nimbus]

eternal literally has infinite ammo and health and armor. in battlemode, Good demons have you on the clock but campaign demons aren't aggressive enough to prevent an easy retreat to get more gear. In doom2,every resource is finite and manually placed by the mapmaker in some way

[azure nimbus]

me when I never played harder pwads or nightmare

[thick scroll]

that doesnt really seem to fair to say when you generalized doom eternal

[azure nimbus]

Do you think it's wrong to describe DE as an infinite ammo game?

[thick scroll]

not at all

[azure nimbus]

In what way?

even if you only use a few guns, your chainsaw refills fast enough to keep up. fodder respawn infinitely. ergo, infinite loot

[thick scroll]

you mentioned "easy retreat" when in some parts of UN they just throw you in a room of 3 cyberdemons and a pat on the back idk man classic doom wasnt terribly difficult i played on nightmare

[azure nimbus]

I agree that vanilla d2 is relatively easy but eternal has infinite loot and retreating from fights is usually viable except for the hardest master level encounters

[thick scroll]

yeah true

[proper bough]

I posted this in the speedrunning channel but it seems dead in there… anyone know what sourceport is most used for speedrunning?

[azure nimbus]

dsda doom by far

[proper bough]

Ooo I saw a launcher for that that’s actually Mac compatible too

I’ll give it a shot thank you

[azure nimbus]

I prefer using zdl as my launcher. whatever works best for you

[hazy hawk]

Shoud I play this doom? I have the ability to

[narrow condor]

Sure, why not?

[hazy hawk]

Ok

I will

[proper bough]

Can’t run it easily on Mac

[hexed escarp]

has anybody here listened to jimmy's godhood suite in its entirety?

because that shit slaps, despite being 43 minutes long

[azure nimbus]

I must've heard it playing eviternity29

the map doesn't reset when restarting an attempt so I've surely heard it

[hexed escarp]

yerah

that mans midis are so insanely good

ive said this before but i wish someone made an instrumental cover of the full eviternity soundtrack

that would be so insanely awesome

[magic saddle]

man why is doom 1 so scary

shit

i didnt mean to have a furry pfp

there we go

[dusty totem]

The boys waiting for eviternity 2 😎

[hexed escarp]

If Eviternity 2 was made that would be insane

[dusty totem]

Dragonfly pleeeees

[halcyon willow]

Play Magnolia and then come back and say that 😉

[dusty totem]

Ill download magnolia now thanks

[narrow condor]

Maybe they meant "didn't then but does now". :-P

[halcyon willow]

I'd argue plutonia requires thought and attention

E4M1

E4M2

[narrow condor]

Fair point!

[halcyon willow]

but magnolia is a proper head fuck

[narrow condor]

Note: The default wad doesn't implement UV difficulty. The version with UV is available separately on Ribbiks's website.

[halcyon willow]

Originally UV didn't exist for magnolia

[dapper flint]

[halcyon willow]

You had to record a demo on hmp, send it to ribbiks, and then he'd make you a personalized uv version

I think there was around 15 all up

Great idea

Way too much work lol

[dusty totem]

Idk im not a doom god to be playing uv on every wad

[narrow condor]

I'm guessing he got a lot of messages after decino made a video about it, so he just went "just have it".

I would say Magnolia on HMP is harder than UV on... well, quite a lot of wads, honestly.

I enjoyed Sunlust and I'm going to try Crumpets once I have some time but beyond those two, I don't think I'd enjoy Ribbiks's works. Or perhaps I should say I'm not the target audience.

[halcyon willow]

Actually it was because some scrotum of a shitstain scammed a bunch of people into sharing their copy and the leaked them

It's a long story

[narrow condor]

Wow

I didn't know that. What a spoilsport.

[dapper flint]

🦧

[halcyon willow]

They also did some things that were much much worse

But that's not a conversation for here

Anyhoo

Magnolia is cool

Too .... bespoke for me

But very impressive

And beautiful

[dusty totem]

The wad isnt that long

I mean compared to megawads

[halcyon willow]

Sunlust is peak ribbiks for me

And Stardate 20x6

[dusty totem]

I still need to play stardate

[narrow condor]

Yeah, it's in the category of mappacks that I appreciate from the perspective of clever design and aesthetics but wouldn't want to play. Same with Mucus Flow, for example. I played Equinox and even though I appreciated how creatively crafted it was, it felt like a chore to play it.

Also I get the feeling that BPRD wanted to impose a sense of oppression on the player on purpose with ammo starvation and tiring combat.

[dapper flint]

Then there's bridge.. he moves to soft arena which means.. he likes you to get comfortable then drop the pain

[dapper flint]

Oh absolutely.. it's movement/ confidence

[narrow condor]

Maybe I'm picky and spoilt with the abundance of wads out there but I find maps where a mistake early on can make the map unbeatable later on to be very annoying.

Like, you're expected to play through, realise your mistakes and start over a few times before you can beat it. I know some people actually like that, to be fair.

[dapper flint]

So you're not liking the whole wad memorization

[narrow condor]

Yeah, I guess you can say that.

Then again, maybe I'll grow to enjoy it later on.

[dapper flint]

I feel ya there but are you not liking traps or just progressing

[narrow condor]

No no, rather like "oh you were supposed to leave the cyberdemon alive" or "oh you were supposed to reach this point with at least 400 cells"

I do enjoy solving trap puzzles.

Or maybe I feel that way because the maps designed that way are already tedious to play, so I don't feel like going through it again and again.

[halcyon willow]

yeah ribbiks maps are straight up puzzles

as opposed to the figuring out the right strat for a hard fight

magnolia vs sunder

[ornate vortex]

Ribbiks is very distinct too. Like you will always know somehow that you’re playing a ribbiks wad

[dusty totem]

Btw i cant find the UltraViolence+ difficulty on btsx e1 like in unity

Maybe im just forgetting something

[pearl osprey]

UV+ wasn't in og doom

You can enable fast monsters and solo net monsters using command line options

[narrow condor]

Yeah, UV+ was a codification of an informal challenge.

[dusty totem]

Idk i remember uv+ in btsx having more monsters or smth

Oh it is coop monsters enabled

[azure nimbus]

Uv+ on unity is a combination of 3 parameters: the usual uv parameter( -skill 4), the -fast parameter and he -coop_spawns parameter. so unity uv+ is playing coop uv with fast monsters by yourself. It's an especially strange choice because uv+ traditionally meant uv with -coop_spawns and no -fast enabled

[ornate vortex]

me who only speaks in UV-Max

[vast reef]

i feel like they should change it to match the community's terminology tbh

[royal heron]

So something like Unity+?

[vast reef]

ooh, calling it unity+ would actually work really well

don't know how i didn't think of that

[hexed escarp]

is there a level in the master levels where you have an infight between a cyberdemon and a spiderdemon?

[azure nimbus]

Bad Dream?

idk if you'd count that or not

[hexed escarp]

no not that

[ionic sable]

https://www.youtube.com/live/GwNBMCP5GDY?feature=share

[hexed escarp]

am i correct in saying that plutonia is only mainly notable for its first third?

oh and go 2 it

[west knot]

I think it gets better as it goes

Odyssey of Noises is a top 10 official map IMO

[hexed escarp]

oh awesome

im pistol starting it on uv

and ive beaten the first seven levels and they were all great

[west knot]

It’s very good

The hardest part of the whole set is the very end of map 9

[hexed escarp]

ah yeah so ive heard

i saw a compilation of civvie dying in that room

[west knot]

After that and a dick chaingunner standing behind the start in map 10 it’s hard but fair, even Go 2 It

I have legit been playing TNT 2 Devilution for months because of how huge the maps are and I’m only now on map 27, but it’s really good

[hexed escarp]

wait i thought that that never got finished

[west knot]

It’s on the semi final beta now, only Map 26 isn’t done yet

It’s REALLY good

[hexed escarp]

wait hold on what is the difference between it and tnt revilution

[west knot]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104882-tnt-2-devilution-semifinal-beta-released/

They were the same game at one point

After a huge argument one of the people working on it took his maps and founded Revilution

[hexed escarp]

ah

[azure nimbus]

plutonia has a lot of well known stuff even later on. Does it have a particularly strong start? idk maybe? I always felt that it was pretty consistent.

[west knot]

There’s apparently a TNT Forever that’s made entirely of scrapped maps from both of them

[hexed escarp]

i wish they didnt just do hell aesthetic for the entire second two thirds

i really like the temple aesthetic of the first episode

[west knot]

There’s some really cool looking maps in Plutonia’s second and third episodes

Speed is really cool looking

[hexed escarp]

yeah im not saying that they dont look cool

[west knot]

Odyssey of Noises is like Downtown but much better

[hexed escarp]

i just wish that there was more of the jungle/temple theme

[west knot]

That’s fair, those maps looked cool

I started Plutonia 2 and they captured that aesthetic well

It’s pretty hard though

[hexed escarp]

yeah il probably play plut2 later

[azure nimbus]

do they even do the hell aestetic all that much? I admit to not having played plutonia in a while but I remember Tombstone and Odyssey of Noises being mostly not hell

[hexed escarp]

i just mean like, taking place in hell

red sky and blood and all

[west knot]

Tombstone was another good one

[hexed escarp]

im about to start map08

is it good?

[azure nimbus]

that's one of the hardest maps. there's literally zero armor on uv

[hexed escarp]

ohno

is it fun tho?

is it just me that when im playing doom sometimes when i make a super tight dodge i physically crane my neck to the side?

[west knot]

Not my favorite but it’s chill

8-10 are probably the weakest of them

[azure nimbus]

well

[finite crag]

the heck

[azure nimbus]

I still do that for ducking under cyber rockets. I think I want a reaction but there is no controller input for verticality so that's all I can do

[hexed escarp]

lol

[azure nimbus]

or I'll lean upwards when I need doomguy to get a better angle at an enemy over a ledge

[halcyon willow]

i do this so often lol

[azure nimbus]

ducking irl causes low rolls

[vast reef]

i do it too bc i'm used to the quake tilt

when i do tight maneuvers my head leans in the direction i'm moving

[narrow condor]

I do this a lot haha

Who needs freelook when you can raise your chin to get a better look irl?

[vast reef]

lmao

[dusty totem]

Idk im abit new to classic doom and i cant play without freelook

Maybe im just lazy

Most likely lazy

[vast reef]

freelook is cheating 😡😡😡

sarcasm aside, it only makes some parts cheesable

play how you want to play, but if you ever want to brag about beating a wad, make sure you followed its complevel

[ornate vortex]

I regret starting Eviternity. I really like the wad, but I really hate speedrunning it, the rooms are claustrophobic early game and the fights are purposely annoying to do

It really pisses me off

It's not really been as fun as I thought and i'm thinking of just ditching the rest of the maps

[finite crag]

Is it a known fact that DOOM 1993’s rich presence is DOOM 3

Always thought it was funny but at the same time weird

[vast reef]

huh

when it comes to weird id software discord integrations i remember quake 3 having a windows trash icon

or another quake, not sure

[hexed escarp]

like the unity version?

does anybody have a copy of this exe?
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/86335-play-no-rest-for-the-living-in-dos-or-dosbox/

my firewall blocks the url for the download link he posted

if not can someone download it and send it to me?

[finite crag]

Idk but it’s on steam that’s all I know

Running the DOS version says Ultimate Doom but

I assume the unity verison says doom 3

[hexed escarp]

ah lol

[finite crag]

Since when was there a green key card

[vast reef]

idk but the green skull emoji looks funny

[hexed escarp]

does umapinfo bossaction trigger when all of that enemy is killed or when one of that enemy is killed

[craggy hawk]

hello dumdest doom player ever did not even know that there there a more then 1 chapter in og doom

[spice radish]

Why are you saying this in every chat?

[halcyon willow]

more importantly, why do you think anyone cares

[tiny acorn]

His profile pic should give you the answer

[ornate vortex]

I think I had a stroke reading that

is this some sort of riddle?

[hexed escarp]

no he just forgot punctuation

[finite crag]

hes speaking like gods

[hexed escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-dragonballsuper-dragonball-meme-language-of-gods-gif-14707991

[modest aspen]

Hi everyone

[hexed escarp]

hello

[hexed escarp]

BRO HOW IS THIS LAST ROOM OF PLUT MAP09 EVEN POSSIBLE

IVE SEEN PEOPLE PLAY IT BUT HOLY SHIT IS IT SO MUCH HARDER THAN IT LOOKS

it also feels like insanely rng heavy whether the chaingunners start shooting you immediately or not

which is super frustrating

[cosmic pagoda]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/710615290446217296/1071552531332878466/20230205_000534.jpg

[cosmic pagoda]

Persistence

I love that fight

One of the casalis best

Tskes me lile 5 tries every timr

[azure nimbus]

clockwise around will be easier

[hexed escarp]

?? why

[azure nimbus]

consider the angles that mancs fire their projectiles. I'll describe as though you're facing him: first pair: 1 towards you and 1 to the right. second pair: 1 towards you and 1 far to the left. 3rd pair: slightly left, slightly right.

That underlined shot in the second pair is the most difficult to dodge in the "wrong" direction. For the first pair, you could move to the right and you'll be ok as long as you're pretty quick. but for the second pair, you'll have to move really fast and usually back slightly if you want to dodge to the left. As such, dodging towards the right as your predominant direction is easier around mancs. This is why circle strafing around them counter clockwise is easier: you move to the right and why circle strafing between mancs is easier clockwise: Think about the manc closest to you(the most dangerous one) at any point on the circle and move yourself to the right while facing him. That is a clockwise movement

Having mancs around you is still difficult, but it's easy to see the difference when circling around them. Try playing dead simple map07 clockwise, and another time counterclockwise.

In d64, the first pair's off projectile goes far to the right so dodging them in this way is harder. You are pushed into dodging each in the preferred left right left way.

[hexed escarp]

oh weird

[azure nimbus]

I did this a lot in my scythe2 map24 playthrough. There are several rows of mancs on the walls. I make sure to strafe right (facing them) so that I get easy automatic dodges

[hexed escarp]

for me the hardest part is not actually avoiding projectiles

it is getting the chaingunners to fuck off

and not falling off the side

[azure nimbus]

you'll need some health so you can get them quickly and move on for sure. it's a hard fight

[hexed escarp]

i swear that it feels completely random how many of them start shooting at me immediately

its infuriating

also the fact that i cant shoot them with rockets until i get more than half way around the circle because autoaim doesnt kick in past a certain distance

after this i never want to hear deep in the code again

FUCKING FINALLY

OMG THAT WAS SO HARD

[azure nimbus]

first try

[hexed escarp]

having cleared it tho that was really cool

[west knot]

I think you need to duck into one of the little wall holes

[hexed escarp]

i did that a couple of times but it didnt help that much

the revs and mancubi on the other side can still shoot you in there

[hexed escarp]

does anybody know how to make a doom tas?

i cant find any tutorials

[azure nimbus]

TAS covers a lot of options: maybe it's frame by frame edits, playing in slow motion, single segmenting, or playing with otherwise not allowed things like auto sr50. idk how to do frame by frame though

[hexed escarp]

the things zero master posts

that say tas

what are those

[spice radish]

From my understanding TAS (Tool Assisted Speedrun) is a program that allows you to put in inputs and the game will execute them without you having to anything. You can be as precise as you want

[azure nimbus]

His nuts run for example was almost programmed. He had it do the same inputs several times in a row for idk, an hour or somethign to collect those missiles

[hexed escarp]

what about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ-05xQotKQ

[azure nimbus]

idk sorry

[finite crag]

Hello, kinda new here check out one the greatest doom speed runs in my personal opinion

[hexed escarp]

ok

[vast reef]

SICK

[vast reef]

tas just means you can use slowdown and stuff to make a theoretical perfect run

[light zealot]

🤯

[hexed escarp]

yeah i know what tas means

but it can mean different things depending on the game/platform

[vast reef]

yeah

[hexed escarp]

im just curious what the specific process is to create smthn like this

[vast reef]

prboom+ has TAS tools and i think that's what most people use

[hexed escarp]

ah cool

is there a tutorial on that?

[vast reef]

or you can just do the input thing you mentioned and build a demo

[vast reef]

just set game speed afaik along with some other options like auto-SR50 and SR50 on turns

[hexed escarp]

ah oke

is there a program that lets you edit demos?

[vast reef]

xdre

[hexed escarp]

cool thx

[west knot]

DSDA-Doom has some good TAS tools and even rewinding

[hexed escarp]

oh damn

rewinding would be insanely useful

[finite crag]

Anybody got the Xbox achievement called “Guns are for wusses”?

[azure nimbus]

yeah. e2m2 is probably the easiest level for it

[finite crag]

True

It’s pretty easy to get either way

I got it on the 3 level

Try and use the berzerker

It one shots enemy’s tho?

[outer sage]

I'm still tryna kill the cyberdemon with the pistol

[finite crag]

Use a stronger weapon to weaken it first then finish it with the pistol

[outer sage]

Everytime I do it's too late

[torn pivot]

Doom - 3DO (Phoenix DOOM-PC Port) Ultra Violence (Part 1) 100% Secrets
https://youtu.be/r3z5yjAQkyA

[bleak helm]

Bro

Gzdoom has to be the best thing to be created

Like

[spice radish]

It’s good for mods and that’s about it

[bleak helm]

That's why it's good

[spice radish]

There other good source ports

[bleak helm]

And also the dos version sucks ass

[spice radish]

I find myself between GZDoom and Crispy Doom

[bleak helm]

Never heard of crispy doom

[spice radish]

Another source port. More on the vanilla side

[bleak helm]

Aha

[spice radish]

I just like how texture filtering isn’t automatically on unlike GZDoom

I don’t even know if Crispy Doom has texture filtering

[narrow condor]

To this day, I still don't know why texture filtering is on by default.

It makes more sense with independent games with hi-res textures that use the GZDoom engine but it looks like smudged watercolour with Doom.

[narrow condor]

I use GZDoom only because it's very easy to configure and it supports the stuff I want (Nuked OPL3, HW rendering w/ Vulkan, UMAPINFO, DEHEXTRA etc). I reckon there are others that match these criteria but I've got no reason to move away from it so far.

[spice radish]

It looks so ugly. I don’t know why you would want to play WITH it on

[narrow condor]

Maybe it'd work well with Doom with a custom wad for hi-res texture replacement.

[vast reef]

i turn it on sometimes for the 2015 low-quality doom mod let's play aesthetic

but yeah it's piss-ugly

[vast reef]

reminder that if you want your doom achievements to be validated you have to play without freelook and jump

and if you want an official spot on the leaderboards at DSDA, GZDoom is banned unless required for WAD compatibility

[azure nimbus]

I used to use gz's freelook and fly command to take screenshots but dsda has both of those things anyway now

[vast reef]

yup

freelook and fly for screenshots makes for some great wallpapers

[azure nimbus]

notarget too is nice for those geometetric shots against a platoon of monsters

[vast reef]

ooh yeah

[azure nimbus]

Xaser's new opengl for dsda is just as good as software. Which in all fairness, if you play enough with the settings, vulkan on gz can look pretty similar to software as well

[vast reef]

i remember xaser (or another modder, just pretty darn sure it was him) having a post on making hardware look like software from like 4 years ago

will check out the new opengl for dsda

[azure nimbus]

And he finally did. So now even super complex maps run at full framerate for me and I can use freelook for screenshots without yshearing

[vast reef]

hardware looking like software has always been a dream

really wanna try this

[azure nimbus]

I've always been loyal to my good lighting software so I was slow to switch but it seriously looks the same with one exception: spectres do have the opengl fuzz. But there's no reason to stick to software's spectres because they get almost invisible at higher resolution. So opengl spectres are actually closer to dos spectres than software at high res

[vast reef]

i too prefer the openGL spectres

[dapper flint]

Hardware acceleration

[vast reef]

the performance:
how it looks by default on GZDoom:

[dapper flint]

When I first tried out gz I spent a solid week tweaking everything to look and run like I want. Meanwhile other ports are plug and play. Love that

[vast reef]

trueee

though i do want other ports to have gz's wad detection

that way when somebody asks "how play doom" you just tell them to download the port and run it

[azure nimbus]

The doom barrier to entry is operating a zip file

[vast reef]

yes

surprisingly, my friend couldn't do that

they got a virus trying to install 7-zip (i don't even know how)
you don't even need 7-zip for .zip files

[torn pivot]

https://youtu.be/NEUBOYzUL74

[bitter cairn]

although gzdoom is still not 100% vanilla acurrate, even with the settings enabled

[royal heron]

I still wonder how in this tech-infused generation people still don't know how to open zip files

[azure nimbus]

it's just different UI

[pearl osprey]

It's getting worse with kids now only ever owning a phone and never touching a computer

[vale gyro]

it's called "I went onto the first website I saw, and did not cross check links"

sorry if that was harsh, but that's my best guess to what happened

[pearl osprey]

Their first mistake was browsing the internet without an adblock tbh

[vale gyro]

I surprisingly dont use one

Which led to a good habit I guess

[outer sage]

Bro, the 90's were wild, we get Beast Wars, Doom, MK 3, DOOM II

[azure nimbus]

I only go onto websites that I get from text messages from unknown numbers telling me about how to unlock my bank account

[vast reef]

yeah

i meant it's allowed for wads that need gzdoom to function

[proper bough]

i'm using dsda doom + dsda launcher to play and i've got it all working! i could even record demos and play them back. one question i have though is how are you supposed to record individual attempts into individual demo files? when i record it just saves all to one file... ig i could exit the game completely and relaunch it but there's got to be a faster way right?

[pearl osprey]

You can set hotkeys to restart the demo and hotkeys to end it in dsda-doom's settings somewhere

[proper bough]

whoaa that would be a lot easier

i'll check it out thanks!

[ornate vortex]

Well, looks like i'm gonna be speedrunning crumpets soon

Is there anything I should know before diving into my first ribbiks wad? Any tips or tricks?

[pearl osprey]

Good luck, you will need it

[devout pelican]

Doom guy's face points in the direction he is hit in.

[azure nimbus]

look through the key binds for a restart demo or level key. That will restart the level with a new demo file as though you exited and started a new game

[dapper flint]

Doomworld mod db otherwise no thanks

[frigid oar]

hey everyone

I need a solution for playing DOOM multiplayer (IPX) over MS-DOS on original hardware

I've tried kali but it seems to have issues resolving

it also doesn't detect my IP, even though I ran DHCP beforehand

basically for anyone who could know of a program to help: I need a program for sending IPX packets over TCP/IP in order to play DOOM multiplayer, since it only uses IPX

I'm aware of the windows ports like zdaemon which have easy netplay but I'm not using those as I went through a lot of work to get an old win95 compaq running with a network card

[frigid oar]

this is the important thing so if you're willing to help please read this

also please ping me when replying because I have this server muted

[warped flare]

Didn't "Hiding the Secrets" change between Doom 1.666 and 1.9?

I remember the percussion starting on the 4th beat rather than the second
and since the change, I've always felt it sounded wrong

[warped flare]

..or am I being Mandela Effect'd?

[warped flare]

yeah

Mandela'd

[whole root]

Got 100% achievements 👑finally

[frigid oar]

can anyone help? :(

[dusty totem]

Can archviles respawn enemies when it is searching for you?

[azure nimbus]

archviles will revive an enemy if it's within range and wouldn't cause the vileasleep, searching/chasing or attacking. They don't have a special "look for corpses" mode. they are always looking for a target to kill and revive if they happen to find a body

[dusty totem]

Oh okay, i knew they didnt actively look for corpeses to revive as that seems too complex for the time that doom was made. But i always thought archviles couldnt resurrect enemies when they were in a searching state.

Cool to know

[azure nimbus]

I'm not sure what you mean by searching state. If a monster isn't attacking, it's either asleep or chasing its target. So ANY time a monster is moving(on its own), it's seeking a target. There is no distinction between "looking for" and hunting. If a monster is looking for you, it knows exactly where you are

[dusty totem]

Oh im prolly confised with some other old games that go to the point they last saw the player and then go into a searching stare

I think i meaned chasing instead

[azure nimbus]

If it seems like a monster is looking for you and doesn't know where you are, that's a result of them being unaware of mapgeometry. Monsters will always approach you linearly and only not follow a linear path if they are following a wall. In particular, enemies are really bad with verticality

[tiny acorn]

I think i'm getting used to playing Doom 93 on Ultra-Violence

Was really hard to do before

[vast reef]

now you're ready to do a pacifist D2ALL of sunlust on nightmare with coop monsters

[tiny acorn]

Ohno

[narrow condor]

To add to that, every monster (that isn't asleep) magically knows where you are and is constantly moving towards you at all times, unless it's infighting. It's just that they suck at pathfinding and usually end up pacing a wall if there's no direct way towards you.

[proper bough]

on e3m2, there's a spot with a bunch of shotgunners on platforms. ik there's a way to lower them, but sometimes the thing you're supposed to step on it covered by a stone pillar. i can't figure out why sometimes the pillar is there and sometimes its lowered

[proper bough]

Figured it out. You have to shoot the wall behind the shotgunners to lower the pillar

[spark furnace]

https://youtu.be/J2qU7t6Jmfw

[sleek hornet]

Slow but pretty impresive !

[sly bay]

Is playing Doom 2 in doom eternal an adequate way to play Doom 2

[vast reef]

go use dsda doom

[sly bay]

I'm on consle

[vast reef]

whatever laptop you have can run it

[sly bay]

I don't have a laptop

[vast reef]

ah

good enough then

[sly bay]

I can say I paid 30 dollars for doom 2 and for doom eternal on the side

[sleek sonnet]

You can play on a paper

[spark furnace]

They are dirt cheap on any storefront. Also Bethesda actually has added mappacks to it. Plutona and The other wads from Final doom are included in Doom 1 even.

[bitter cairn]

to be honest I first played it on hurt me plenty but then I tried uv and it felt the same, just a bit extra monsters

[dapper flint]

Is eternals doom unity or bfg? I've heard it's bfg

[royal heron]

it's bfg edition

[dapper flint]

That explains it then

[dapper flint]

Buy classic doom in your console

[sly bay]

I will just play em in eternal

[dapper flint]

It's the worst version out there

[sly bay]

It's free tho

[dapper flint]

You can get classic doom for 2 dollars

[azure nimbus]

it is the best money to game investment out there

[hexed escarp]

yeah

just due to all of the community content for it

[royal heron]

mhm

[hexed escarp]

Is it weird that I sometimes enjoy going through old doom shovelware collections from the 90s and playing thru the beginnings of random levels and not even finishing them, just looking at the beginnings?

Just smthn about the all stock textures, the semi incoherent level design

[hexed escarp]

I just for some reason find the environments of classic doom very nostalgic despite not having grown up with them or even being alive when they were made

[narrow condor]

Has anyone played Profane Promiseland yet?

[sleek hornet]

What mods are you talking about ?

[finite crag]

hello, which texture pack HD is better for doom and doom2? On gzdoom

[royal heron]

Same

[finite crag]

I'm playing sigil, it's not bad.

[dusty totem]

You likely will need to download a mod launcher for that

While using zdl?

You can try dragging brutal doom mod on gzdoom

You need to unpack the rar file

OH, i just remember that with project brutality you had to rename the .rar file to a .pk3 in WinRAR

[vast reef]

neural upscale

[pearl osprey]

Don't rename it wth

Extract it

[vast reef]

no need for a winrar
also not sure if that works 💀

PB is a zip, pk3s are just zips

[warped jungle]

I just downloaded brutal doom as a zip from archive.org because I was too lazy to download winrar lol

[dusty totem]

I did that when extracting pb3 from github

[vast reef]

just get 7-zip, way better tbh

[pearl osprey]

Install an archive manager (such as 7zip) then right click the brutal doom file and choose "Extract here"

[vast reef]

no do extract files

[dusty totem]

No dont try

I had it wrong, listen ti the other guys here

[vast reef]

if they have all the files straight-up in the rar you'll clutter up the folder you're in if you use extract here

[narrow condor]

Windows Explorer still doesn't have built-in archive extraction support for RAR?

[dusty totem]

I used a different method to download than most people here.

[pearl osprey]

They have only the brutal.pk3 inside

[vast reef]

ah really?

[pearl osprey]

Yes the archive is only to compress it's size in this case

[vast reef]

still good practice though unless you already know the archive's content

[vast reef]

neat

[narrow condor]

Not sure how much compression you can get with a zip file inside a rar file.

[dusty totem]

Github mod downloads be confusing tho ngl

[pearl osprey]

Doom wads tend to repeat a lot of data, a wad I had went from 5MB to a few KB once I archived it

[vast reef]

not at all

[azure nimbus]

idk how to work git.

[narrow condor]

Yeah but zip files are already compressed through DEFLATE.

Precompressed files suck at getting compressed further by different algorithms.

[vast reef]

it's almost always in releases, if it isn't, there are pretty much always instructions

only some mods are a pain in the ass to download tbh

[pearl osprey]

You'd have to ask the brutal devs why they package it this way ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[narrow condor]

Heh

[dusty totem]

For pb3 (at least half a year ago) was not much direction on how to extract the mod. I downloaded source and then turned the zip into pk3

[vast reef]

speaking of brutal, even if i dislike BD, i'm pretty hyped for brutal fate

[spice radish]

7zip is a very easy way to unpack/extract files

[dapper flint]

What's the record for the longest icon fight

[narrow condor]

As in an Icon of Sin map whose best speedrun is the longest of all?

[outer sage]

Anyone played doom with multimonitor support back on '93?

[dapper flint]

Icon fight someone did the longest. Not killing the icon

[cold badge]

is there a way to play doom multiplayer in the browser? somebody please reply

[serene garnet]

download Zandronum and run Doomseeker (the D icon) when installed

you will need a DOOM/DOOM2.WAD (DOOM2 most likely), put it in the zandronum folder

if you're having problems with WAD authentication - its because the DOOM2.WAD you supplied is a different version to the one on the server. I think most use DOOM2.WAD 1.9

but you can see that on doomseeker

[azure nimbus]

it'll be the one from the steam folder

[edgy oar]

Hey

[pearl osprey]

Why do so many people want to play doom in a browser? I don't get it

[azure nimbus]

people will play on browser despite having a perfectly good smartfridge

[pearl osprey]

I meant like, is there a specific reason to prefer a browser over just downloading it? browser doom sounds awfully inconvenient

[narrow condor]

Maybe that one pacifist TAS.

No wait, I'm thinking of Plutonia's Icon of Sin.

I didn't know Doom contained viruses.

If you mean the full version, fairly sure it's just as legal to provide the full WAD through a web platform as it is to pirate them from a warez site.

Although I doubt Bethesda would bother chasing them down with a cease & desist.

[pearl osprey]

If you are only downloading the wad file it is basically impossible to get a virus

but I doubt kids trying to get doom for free know that

also they could just play the shareware version

[vast reef]

not at all 💀

you've clearly never tried to pirate doom

[vast reef]

if a game had a browser demo w/ the same performance as the desktop version i'd honestly go for the browser since it's more convenient if you came from their website

only speaking about demos of course

they could also be on a chromebook and don't know how to run linux apps

i know a friend who's pirated doom on 9 different websites and none had viruses

you have to be actively trying to get one if you get a virus pirating doom

[narrow condor]

It's less of a genuine malware problem and more of a tech illiteracy problem.

[vast reef]

couldn't agree more

[finite crag]

I wont lie I've had a mediafire link with the iwads for like 10 years now aha

[vast reef]

lmao

[spice radish]

I can’t see anyone playing it regularly. More like a fun(ish) little novelty. It uses old DOS controls and the framerate is shit. I usually get to E1M2 before dropping it.

[dapper flint]

Weird run bur thought it would make a funny April video

[ornate vortex]

Should I count the attempts that died within 2 seconds for rush map 1?

I did the rerun for it, since my old time was 2:37 (I was much worse at the game back then)

lowered the time to 2:19

but with all the 2 second attempts, it took 1240 attempts

whereas without, it was around 299 attempts

[prime lava]

well generally speaking you do

attempt counts are arbitrary anyway there can be explanations for low or high attempt counts whether you are really good or not

[proper bough]

just sayin, there's some github pages that has the wads stored there and it also provides md5 hashes so you can make sure your file is legit/not corrupt

[royal heron]

hell no they don't

[runic obsidian]

im playing through sigil and it is so fine

[torn pivot]

Doom - 3DO (Phoenix DOOM-PC Port) Ultra Violence (Part 3)
https://youtu.be/Df0ij8vJguU

[tepid tulip]

I have a question, do people have like a list of contemporary wads from a base difficulty? I wanted to ask this bc I want to download and try those wads and make an accomplishment list in the future

For example

Starting with the typical Doom 1&2 maps and Final Doom, then working your way towards other wads

Like if you were doing a personal journey to work yourself towards like Sunlust

[dapper flint]

If you're planning to do sunlust I'd recommend 20x6 first

[tepid tulip]

I'm not gonna do Sunlust, I'm moreso saying wanting to get a bunch of contemporary wads that are worth looking at for their time

Then working up to the Pinnacle of wads

I say working towards Sunlust as an example, I only ask for if there's a recommended list of wads to check out

Like who iceberg lists or tierlists

[dapper flint]

There's so many wads and options it's basically like asking what are the best movies to watch. Everyone's going to have a different answer. But if you want some to check out look up caco awards and then the year you want to try out. Caco awards 2022 for example

[tepid tulip]

Hm I guess that makes better sense to look at cacoawards and top listed stuff

Thanks btw

[dapper flint]

That's what I usually do or just search around doomworld

No worries

[tepid tulip]

Yeah I'm still mainly new to where to look for Doom wads and usually resort to people who play Doom for that

Or better yet dean of Doom usually has reviews of wads too, that helps

Seems like I gotten my answer now

Not a concrete straightforward one, but that's the answer I wanted lol

[dapper flint]

Yeah everyone's going to give you different awnsers you know. I mean based on what they recently played.

Like my wad folder is probably 400 wads by now.. all pretty great don't even know where to start

[tepid tulip]

I have like a ton of mods and wads in my folder and it expands everyday

But you never go wrong with base Doom gameplay

[craggy bone]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107015-wad-progression-for-skill-improvement/

It's nothing to do with quality, but this fits what you're looking for in terms of difficulty quite nicely, I think

[tepid tulip]

Thanks

[ornate vortex]

This thread is funny enough what got me into speedrunning

My only problem is that there's so many wads out there that aren't in this thread, so you can really assume where they go in the list

like for example, Tangerine Nightmare, great wad, not on the progression thread tho, so you can only assume it's maybe around Alien Vendetta in terms of difficulty

The wad is relatively easy (in my opinion), but Umbreon Nils is a ball buster

[finite crag]

It's a good thread

Tho saying deus vult 2 is harder than sunder idk

current sunder is probably under sunlust as well

[ornate vortex]

That's debatable tbh, since i'd say the new sunder maps are on par with later sunlust maps

and i'd even go as far as to say Beneath the Waves of Styx is harder than God Machine

old sunder is definitely easier than sunlust, a lot of the fights aren't actually too hard, but are instead a bit time consuming

[finite crag]

nono that's the stance I'm taking

I think new sunder is way harder than anything sunlust throws at you

I had the most trouble in old sunder on map 06 and map 13

[ornate vortex]

I tend to misread things, my bad

[ornate vortex]

Mine was map05, I didn't enjoy the fact there was so much platforming

[finite crag]

Yeah 05 was a pain as well

14 also gave me a bit of trouble

09 was probably my favorite to play because the aesthetic and the music was just so good

[silver carbon]

can you run doom on a nokia phone

[pearl osprey]

Current gen Nokia phones run android so yes you can

[silver carbon]

no like

an old one with a keypad

[pearl osprey]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/CDoom_(mobile)

[silver carbon]

tyvm

[stark acorn]

"published in 11th September 2001" the most realistic doom game to ever exist

[dapper flint]

Posted this once in a max discord and they all hated and laughed at it. Difficulty also causes issues

No one can every agree on what's hard even though I believe alot on that list is a good challenge

[azure nimbus]

I'd defend that to a point. The thread is a decent step in the right direction in terms of broadly how hard stuff is. But if you get picky, the stuff at the higher end is not in a perfect order. So taking it as a master list is silly. but I think most people can appropriately treat it as a general guide to start with

[ornate vortex]

All of this is very agreeable, the thread is really based off someone's opinions to the difficulty of wads. Not to say that it's biased, but it's definitely not the most reliable

[azure nimbus]

All information is biased and necessarily reductive. We need to be careful that we take things for what they are

[ornate vortex]

There are many things I agree with in that thread, and things I simply don't agree with. In the end it's all really down to your opinion.

At one point as well I believe the person who made the thread said that Stardate 20x6 was harder than sunlust, which after playing both, is definitely not right at all

Stardate 20x6 is hard, but Sunlust's later maps are much harder

(they changed it now though)

[azure nimbus]

sunlust isn't as monolithic. it's upper end:20,24,28,29,30 are harder. But your median sunlust level is easier than stardate's. Stardate was only the first pwad that I posted to YouTube. only the last level was in good quality because that was when I learned how to do demos

[fresh jay]

Nice

[hexed escarp]

wtf am i supposed to do in the bullshit chaingunner room in plutonia map10

[narrow condor]

Yeah, M10 is something of a doozy.

You need to run like hell and try to slide past the baron down the lift after triggering the chaingunners.

Either that or trigger the chaingunners, run back to cover and try to take them down from a distance one by one, which doesn't always work.

M10 is the point where the player realises the maps are not just hard but actively hostile against the player from the beginning to the end, starting with a chaingunner at your back the moment you warp in.

Also I died so many times in the beginning area and I didn't realise until long after I had beaten it for the first time that the chaingunner closets don't open at the same time but one by one with each arch you cross under.

[halcyon willow]

before the new sunder maps i'd agree, but yeah Sunder map 15 onwards is definitely harder than DV2

[narrow condor]

I'm watching decino's playthrough of it and my impression so far is that it's significantly better than its peers like OSM and HR because of just how well-thought and technical its fights are in comparison. It seems less grindy too.

(But then again, it's unfair to compare any modern wad with a '90s wad in any manner, I suppose.)

[hexed escarp]

imo map10 is garbage

the end arena of map09 was insanely hard and took me half an hour to clear just that

but it was so cool and intersting to play

this is just bs

[narrow condor]

As far as I can tell, many people ragequit Plutonia at M10.

I don't know why I have a personal soft spot for it even though it's very clearly unfair and grindy.

My personal least favourite is M27 because of how frustrating it was to navigate a map with such clumsy layout that's riddled with immortal chaingunners.

[azure nimbus]

I always felt that the intended experience was to feel that the maps were "mean"

[narrow condor]

To be fair, M10 is a huge jump in meanness from the previous maps.