classic-doom

[hexed escarp]

I really hope that it has some jimmy midis to go along with it

[azure nimbus]

yes. Many do, not just gz

[finite crag]

Has anyone seen the zero master nightmare run?

[hexed escarp]

Does crispy doom?

Well even if it doesn't I'm guessing they are gonna add support and auto loading like it did for sigil 1

[azure nimbus]

if crispy can run e5 sigil then I don't see why not

[prime moon]

i agree, it's an inconsistent game at best

[pearl osprey]

Worst case scenario it can replace another episode

I believe there was a version of sigil which replaced ep4

[hexed escarp]

I can't wait to hear the jimmy soundtrack for this one

[hexed escarp]

It was ep3 but ye

[azure nimbus]

I don't think that every port can handle an episode that has a secret exit not on map3 ,5, 6, or 2. The reason sigil's non- e5 version replaces e3 is so that the map6 secret exit slot plays nicely with hardcoded stuff in ultimate doom.

[finite crag]

I like Sigil a lot (played it twice) but I sort of don’t want Sigil 2 to come out… adding a new episode 25 years later was cool and a great finisher but another… then another will surely come… then pretty soon we have this never ending series and now Doom is expanded to 10 episodes and wtf man

Let sleeping dogs lie

[warped jungle]

Guess I should've kept tabs

[dapper flint]

Absolutely loved sigil also. Know every inch by heart by now

[vocal jetty]

Im gonna be honest, i loved inferno

I just loved the hell aesthetic

[vocal jetty]

Took me 45 minutes to beat Map 18. 45 minutes. The puzzle for the yellow key was just so convoluted and confusing. It took me so long to figure out that you had to shoot this random gargoyle texture on the wall to get to the button that lowers down the yellow key. I was so mad.

I was getting progressively more and more annoyed, trying to find out the absolute bullshit solution to this goddamn puzzle.

[finite crag]

Map 18 of doom 2?

[vocal jetty]

Map 18 of TNT

[azure nimbus]

underused valve texture <3

[slim willow]

is it even used elsewhere?

[vocal jetty]

People hate e2m3? I love e2m3

[azure nimbus]

no :(

[broken heron]

I remember it feeling kind of primitive with how flat and blocky it is, almost like a Wolfenstein map. The action isn't bad though.

Though I really enjoy e2 overall

[spice radish]

They probably where learning idTech 1 as they where making levels. Just some learned faster which is why certain dves of the original id teams maps are thought of in higher regard then others

[broken heron]

Yeah, from what I recall Sandy had something like 10 weeks to finish episodes 2 and 3

[spice radish]

Was it Sandy or McGee that made the majority of Doom II's maps?

I know one of them made a bunch of maps

[broken heron]

Sandy made the majority. McGee made about 7 or 8

Just looked it up. 7.5 because Dead Simple was a collaboration with Petersen

[spice radish]

ah Dead Simple, I like that map a lot tbh

[broken heron]

Same. Almost like a mini boss level for a first-time player who's never seen a Mancubus or Arachnotron before

[finite crag]

Petersen did most of the mid-game levels of Doom 2, the not good ones like Downtown etc

I like his maps in 1993 tho

[finite crag]

Yeah Shores of Hell is awesome, I LOVE Deimos

[broken heron]

The Factory and Downtown are probably the low point of Doom, but he also has some great ones like Monster Condo, Tricks and Traps, The Courtyard, and The Spirit World

[finite crag]

Even simpler in Doom 64 is fabulous

[vocal jetty]

Its also a pretty good deathmatch map

Also, i think TNT is the only Doom game to ever put me in a bad mood

Not even Doom 3 was this tedious and annoying

I find myself running in circles not knowing where tf to go so i have to look up a walkthrough just to find the bullshit convoluted solution to the puzzle that’s probably a wall with a slightly misaligned texture that I wouldn’t have noticed had it not been for the fucking walkthrough!!

[smoky pawn]

wait

does this count the doom on the xbox?

that looks like the old one?

[vocal jetty]

What, bfg edition?

[spice radish]

all things classic doom here

including console ports

[smoky pawn]

alright

just checking

[vocal jetty]

I think TNT is undoubtedly the least fun IWAD there is,

[spice radish]

Master Levels For Doom II is pretty unfun ngl

don't think thats an IWAD though

[vocal jetty]

Although it is official, I wouldn’t consider it an IWAD

Although the master levels were just as convoluted and tedious and annoying and some of them are just plain bad.

I think TNT is the most unfun IWAD of them all

[azure nimbus]

it's not an iwad because it's literally not that type of file. iwads and pwads are different in that iwads can be played without pwads

[tepid tulip]

When I tried Plutonia Experiment I gotten through first level in HMP and even I didn't feel like putting up with it

But I did get to Map03 or Map04 before stopping

Also further cemented the Chaingunner being my least favorite enemy, not the Archvile or Revenant (they're assholes sure, but a perfectly placed Chaingunner will get me in a very bad mood)

If I haven't gone through the worst of it yet, and I'm annoyed, I dunno how awful the rest (besides watching reviews but even then I have to play it physically) is

[narrow condor]

You can always try again on a lower difficulty.

[warped jungle]

Best classic doom game definitely maximum doom

[vast reef]

totally

[tepid tulip]

Tbf this was me being a lot less knowledgeable so I could probably tolerate it now with practice

[hexed escarp]

I wish someone would do an instrumental cover of the eviternity ost

It would be so good

Sacred light would sound so good played on real metal instruments

[tepid tulip]

That OST is goddamn good

[dapper flint]

It really isn't bad for doom players that have had time to play around with plutonia for years. It really does just take time and practice. Eventually plutonia will feel like nothing. Way harder wads out there make it look like a joke. You'll go back and play one day and laugh at how easy it is

[tepid tulip]

Yeah

I'm very sure it'll be later down the line with experience that I don't think it'll be a sweat

[timber garnet]

downtown is doable of course, but it was still quite a drag for me

[finite crag]

First time I tried it I ragequit
Then I replayed the base games on UV and a few wads as practice

Now I’m back at Plutonia on HMP and killing it

Don’t give up

[vocal jetty]

Exactly, Don't ever give up, Don't EVER let the demons win

[broken heron]

I'll pass on the request to my guitarist when we meet up to discuss our a side project

[limpid zinc]

I played plutonia once. I did it on co-op with a friend, we loaded into the first level and saw a spider mastermind in front of us and stopped playing.

[dapper flint]

Should have seen what map 22 had ready for you guys

[finite crag]

That must be on Co Op only or did you have it on Ultra Violence? First map doesn’t have that in solo HMP. So far I’ve only killed one “boss” monster - cyberdemon - there’s been several I run right past.

[azure nimbus]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/MAP01:_Congo_(The_Plutonia_Experiment) yep there is a coop spooderdemon

[wispy radish]

I need help. I installed DOOM (1993) into my C Drive when I intended to install it into my D Drive. How do I transfer without losing my data?

[slim willow]

on what? like original installers?

or steam?

or gog?

most launchers have options to move games to different drives. i'd look that up

[wispy radish]

steam

[warped jungle]

Factory is pretty bad but I've never hated downtown

Maybe because I've played it enough to remember what to do

[azure nimbus]

it's cool how areas are acessible in multiple ways

[finite crag]

Citadel is imo the worst d2 map

[warped jungle]

Actually I agree

Rooms are so weirdly connected

I guess they realized that considering the big teleporter room

[hexed escarp]

Is it weird that I'm super pumped for sigil 2 even tho I haven't finished sigil yet?

I just love the atmosphere so so much

Especially with the jimmy midis

[opal bolt]

im making a wad where the whole point is that you have an ipad that shoots lasers

[zenith berry]

It’s okay to press F6 constantly/save scum, especially in harder levels.

What’s not okay is saving while you’re right in the demon’s line of sight.

[timber garnet]

it's great. i'm also excited for sigil 2 and ive still got sigil's last two levels to finish

[prime moon]

it's a cool map i actually like it

[finite crag]

Sigil is great atmosphere yeah but the amount of tightrope walking is annoying

And on UV there’s not enough ammo to kill all the monsters

[hexed escarp]

Yeah I'm only part way through e5m5

[hexed escarp]

Yeah the narrow ledges are a bit painful also I'm playing on hmp since am noob

[finite crag]

That’s what I did the first time and that’s the best way to do it, no shame

Can anyone confirm whether the iOS ports have the official add ons? So I can play Sigil and Saturn X while takin a crap

[hexed escarp]

Why is the jimmy sigil OST such a bop

It has the PERFECT atmosphere

Like the Buckethead stuff is good but it doesn't match the feel very well

[royal heron]

my opinions as well

I assume this is mostly because Romero just took pre-existing tracks from Buckethead and made them into a soundtrack, with one exclusive track

that being Romero one mind any weapon

[hexed escarp]

But he did the same thing with jimmy

The only midis written originally for sigil were the title and intermission

[finite crag]

got the classic brutal doom with the psx doom sfx

[dapper flint]

Yes

[timber garnet]

[vocal jetty]

So today I beat the final map of TNT evilution, and I’m impressed to say it was pretty fun. There weren’t any bullshit convoluted puzzles, monster placement was OK, and it took me a bit to figure out what to do with the final boss, but I managed to beat the final boss.

But overall, this game was pretty bad. If I had to give it a numerical rating, I would give it a 3.5/10.

[slim willow]

TNT was part of Final Doom because it makes you so burned out it's the last Doom you ever play

[vocal jetty]

HEY PAUL! AAAAAAAAH!!!!!!

[azure nimbus]

is this a copypasta

[dapper flint]

Gert moment

[slim willow]

stfu

Gert hater

[dapper flint]

Sandy actually invented gert. True fact

[slim willow]

I hope you're doing well.

[spice radish]

Think it's more so Quake's been compared to Doom. Also id didn't make The Plutonia Experiment

[vocal jetty]

I don’t know if i can believe this

[finite crag]

What is going on in this chat 🧐

[narrow condor]

I'm guessing it's because Jimmy carefully picked his favourites for Sigil.

He's a very productive artist and his YouTube channel has playlists of music he composed that never made it into any wad, so I'm sure he had a lot to choose from.

[west knot]

Play TNT Revilution and Devilution

They’re way better

Only reason I haven’t played much else is Devilution’s maps are huge and I’m still only like halfway through

[vocal jetty]

I’ll play them once i get home

[worldly pelican]

Have you guys got the guns are for wusses acevment

[finite crag]

How do you do that

[worldly pelican]

You have to get 25 kill only using your fist in a single level

And it’s is the rarest acevment

Yes

[pearl osprey]

Only the unity port

[azure nimbus]

e2m2 is probably the easiest level for that. It's the introdution of berserk and you have only imps and pinkys(other than like 4 lost souls), lots of enemies and health and open air to run around

it's also not the rarest achievement, at least on xbox. While I admit that the numbers may be different on steam. on xbox we're talking about 1.72 % for this one compared to Not So Bad having a 0.08 % achievement rate which is markedly lower.

[worldly pelican]

Oh I know that

Bye

[wraith gyro]

Btw which version of Ultimate Doom is the best to play on PC? I've been playing the BFG edition on GZDoom but realized that has several disadvantages and bad changes over the original

[vast reef]

classic doom is best played with a source port like crispy doom

if you want vanilla gameplay

[wraith gyro]

It's not the source port what bothers me

It's the Ultimate Doom version

[vast reef]

tbh GZDoom has more changes than BFG Edition if you're playing with its default settings

but yeah the graphical changes are weird

[wraith gyro]

The BGF edition has several censorships and changes over the original game

It's not about the gameplay

[vast reef]

and GZDoom gives you mouselook and jump

[vast reef]

a h

[wraith gyro]

which I love

[pearl osprey]

Where did you get the game?

[vast reef]

you can literally cheese the game at several points with mouselook and jump

[wraith gyro]

eh

[vast reef]

i'm not going to argue because it's preferential but please please play classic doom without mouselook or jump for your first playthrough

[azure nimbus]

today I will play doom 2016 with dash to modernize the experience

[vast reef]

lmaoooo

[azure nimbus]

Obviously do what you like, but do try more classic settings for at least one playthrough

[wraith gyro]

tbh I don't use jump that much and fuck no I'm not playing with keyboard

[azure nimbus]

dos doom always supported mouse input

[vast reef]

bruh you can play with mouse on dos doom and every other source port out there

without having to look up and down

[wraith gyro]

I didn't know that sorry

[azure nimbus]

The only reason that many used keyboard only was that not every computer then had a mouse and that not everyone knew to try a mouse yet.

[azure nimbus]

based changing your opinion upon realization of new information

Certainly, there is a fuzzy line. Is it vanilla as long as you play on dsda demo compat settings, vanilla as long as it's dsda demo compat settings but on a vanilla iwad, vanilla as long as you play gzdoom on vanillaish settings cuz you won't really notice much difference, vanilla as long as you play with vertical mouse always on, no kill count, no secret count, 320x200 resolution, 35 Hz and no carried shorttics and endoom screen, or is it only vanilla if you play on dos(box)? I think we all add a little bit. I play with an advanced hud and higher resolution and even a controller (which wasn't fully supported to the extent that modern ports do but controller support did exist back then). I recommend trying the vanilla gameplay and if you like it, fantastic, if not, whatever.

to your original question, unless you have some specific reason to play bfg or some weird console version for funzies/speedrunning/research reasons, you want the doom2.wad file that comes with the modern steam release.

[wraith gyro]

Ooh yeah I want to play vanilla but not that vanilla, I would like to keep the higher framerates and a guilty pleasure of mine which is texture filtering (I like x16 and Xbrz, I get a lot of people despise pixel smoothing but I just like how it looks)

[wraith gyro]

DOOM 2 has the Ultimate DOOM?

[azure nimbus]

those are different games. Ultimate doom is essentially doom1. Udoom was released after doom2 though as doom1 with an additional episode.

The file that comes with the steam release is "doom.wad".

[wraith gyro]

ooh yeah I know that, I just got confused becaause you mentioned doom 2

[vast reef]

imo vanilla as long as it works like the original game intended
for me gzdoom isn't vanilla even on vanillaish settings because i get input lag that acts as movement smoothing

[vast reef]

oh good god i remember using xbrz for like every video game

use scalefx btw, better than xbrz (of course not a gzdoom option, but in retroarch or whatever thingy you're using)

[vast reef]

i used it in doom for my first 3 weeks of playing the game, don't know what i was on

[wraith gyro]

It's so fucking good, I like pixelated games but the smooth pixels are something else

[azure nimbus]

some authors design around software(or now the updated opengl renderer on dsda is very very similar to software) so just try various renderers, depending on how the levels you're playing are designed

[vast reef]

i have to disagree

[wraith gyro]

ooh ok thanks

[vast reef]

it's completely game-dependent

mega man zero and mvc2 look damn good with smoothed pixels imo

same with a bunch of other old fighters

with doom, it makes the game less like the weird yet awesome pseudo-realism thing and more like a painting

imo it makes the game look silly

go play with the upscale mod instead

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/99021-doom-neural-upscale-2x-v-10/

[wraith gyro]

tbh it looks like clay but it's not something I dislike

[wraith gyro]

oh shit that looks good

[vast reef]

the sprite changes they showcased looked really damn good to me on the website but when i tried it in-game my brain was firing off going "something's wrong"

but yeah, it looks pretty cool

[narrow condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845447152650158095/1063280707218194482/CWY4-33U8AAkhSK1.png

People will see meticulously handmade pixel art sprites and go "Why isn't this photorealistic?"

Reminds me of the HD texture mods of Minecraft, created with an assumption that the game is incomplete with its original pixel art and everything needs to be "looking realistic" for the game to be playable, giving you this:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845447152650158095/1063280721436872774/c591.png

[spice radish]

thats one funny looking dog

[azure nimbus]

there are sprite fixing projects(like marphy black's) that do add to the spritework while maintaining the pixelart(many sprites have objective mistakes: rando grey pixels on the side punch for revs, holes in the arachnotron, lacking rotation sprites for zombies). But this sort of clashing of "art style" and "lol everything should be realistic" is why brutal doom, at least for a lot of us, feels so gratuitous

[narrow condor]

Brutal Doom always felt to me like the product of someone who would much rather play a game twenty years newer but was forced to play Doom against their will for whatever reason.

[spice radish]

I like some of the new weapons and monster animations but the mod feels like it was made by an edgy teenager. The whole being able to flip off demons thing is just stupid

I've seen some seriously say that should be a feature in the next Doom game

[narrow condor]

Oh god

[azure nimbus]

well it was literally made by an edgy teen(idk his age tbh)

[broken heron]

The Hell on Earth Starter Pack was what got me back into Doom. Felt surprisingly unobtrusive to the core Doom experience

[lucid monolith]

Hello monkeys

[slim willow]

https://tenor.com/view/gorilla-slide-gif-26373889

[worldly pelican]

You again

[vast reef]

tbh i'm fine with modernized doom mods as long as people don't call them "the definitive classic doom experience"

for example, D4T adds features from modern doom and is really really fun but calling it the best way to play classic doom is stupid (and nobody does anyway)

[narrow condor]

Frankly, I'm always on the 'play the game however it feels fun to you' side. I just personally don't understand why Brutal Doom of all things got so popular when it has so little to offer once the novelty wears out.

[slim willow]

brutal doom is smelly so if you like it you must also be a smelly

[dapper flint]

Brutal wolfenstein though by Zio McCall

[spice radish]

Not to mention how most 90's FPS got "Brutal" mod versions. Most of them look and play pretty well. Only game that shouldn't have gotten was Half-Life yet of course it did.

I feel like adding more weapons and gore to the original Half-Life just doesn't make it feel like a Half-Life game

[narrow condor]

I suppose it makes sense to make the games palatable for the modern audience who gets bored if everything isn't exploding at all times.

In the "something for everyone" sense

I see.

[spice radish]

Ok so thats a no no word got it

[spice radish]

HL1 always gave the impression Gordon was fighting with whatever he could get his hands on. He isn't a decked out space marine like Doomguy, he isn't a horny alien killer like Duke, and he's definitely not an undead gun slinger like Caleb.

Idk let people enjoy it if they like it I guess

[narrow condor]

Yeah

[spice radish]

It's just not for me nor do I see the appeal

[slim willow]

If you aren't interested in a game without 80 explosions and gallons of red paint being splashed across the wall... maybe don't play the game?

[vast reef]

brutal doom is honestly kinda dated atp too, 2012 mod with gameplay inspired by shooters at the time

i would much prefer a modernized doom mod that took hints from the boomer shooter renaissance

i once thought there might be a way to sort of adapt all of doom's glitchy movement tech into a balanced movement system

would definitely feel quakey as fuck (like eternal ig) but eh it'd be fun and a mod anyways

ehhhh

tried it, would rather wait for kar en tuk

honestly i think it was because i played it on doom2.wad

another wad would probably be way more fun

i enjoyed using dusk movement in doom via zmovement, it's balanced if you pair it with the right mods (but my preferred modpack for zmovement basically makes a whole new FPS game because it will never not be weird to have the default doom sprites with all the insane zmovement shit)

uncultured 😒

DBThanatos' doom eternal mod for classic doom, 3 years of development

same lead dev on QCDE and D4T, i trust ket will be good

what the actual fuck

they are VASTLY different in terms of mechanics

all they have in common is fucking diagonal jump

they work completely differently

like bro what the actual fuck are you smoking

good acceleration in dusk is hopping in a circle or next to a wall and in quake 3 it's gliding through the air from side to side

IT'S NOT EVEN THAT SUBTLE

you're trolling

what

dusk has diagonal bhops and shit TONS of air control, quake 3 has minimal air control and strafejumping

no it doesn't

you clearly haven't played enough of either

dusk is ninja quake is jet

they aren't fucking similar aside from diagonal jumps, and you don't even DO diagonal jumps in quake

sigh

what am i doing with my life

what am i supposed to do? sigh?

do you mean holding w and jump

because then they're similar

because you held w and jumped

if you actually try to go faster or do turns it's night and day

man i should stop going on 2 hours of sleep a day

yup

q3 needs more timing

since sharp turns basically need you to hit the ground and circle jump

but like

w + jump feels the same in quake 3, quakeworld, dusk, quake 2, and even minecraft

[vast reef]

just gravity and walk speed difference

movement is fun, turns are way easier

i like q3a and ql's weapons way more though

yo that's sick

nobody to play quake with here in SEA other than my sister who's 10 and dies to ultrakill prelude on harmless

the only FPS games people play here in the philippines are valorant if you have a PC and CODM if you don't

yeah but 200+ ping

i get 200+ ping on other game servers but those don't need highspeed connection bc they're either turn-based or don't need actual skill

tbh i just wanna suck it up at some point and learn how to quake at high ping

massive respect

like, MASSIVE

i can barely play doom on controller, quake would be hell

okay

i have an xb360 controller i only pull out for sm64 or tboi

not rn

the binding of isaac

fun but i never get any good items

i got the wafer once, that's it

i like etg more

when it comes to roguelites

anyway gn it's nearly 1 am and i have 4 projects overdue

nice talk
sorry for getting pent up for no reason about video game jumps

[copper gazelle]

Where's doom 2 or is that here

[spice radish]

Classic Doom is for every classic Doom game besides Doom 64

So Doom II falls into this channel

[copper gazelle]

Thanks

[gritty basin]

ayee

[earnest barn]

I finally beat Plutonia for the first time! (on Hurt Me Plenty though, I'll do it on UV next time)

[slim willow]

nice!!

[finite crag]

Oh shit I literally beat it today also

freaking amazing I see why it's so popular to this day
map 29 is a much better "city" than Downtown lol
the "jungle hell" aesthetic was also really cool
I thought there was a good mix of level design - after every long and painful map there would be a few short ones that wouldn't take nearly as much (real) time for me to finish, which kept it from becoming a chore and feeling burnt out.
And the most satisfying feelings are either blasting a chaingunner with a ssg right in his face or sending a rocket to him from long distance. Eat a dick.

Hey

[ornate vortex]

I'm confused on where Crumpets is in terms of difficulty

it's structured like any other ribbiks wad yet it's not too challenging

and i don't know whether that structure factor puts it up in terms of difficulty, since a lot of fights can be pretty tight

[azure nimbus]

IT's not too crazy but will certainly push a new player

[vast reef]

play sunlust, it's even more fun ;)

[azure nimbus]

Not to show my biases or make assumptions here, but I don't know if someone just coming off of doom1 is ready for sunlust.

[vast reef]

hence the winky

i tried SL after doom1 for funsies and got my ass kicked at map 2

no idea why i even tried

[azure nimbus]

Sunlust is a key milestone imo. Where plutonia is a gate for the iwads from custom content. Sunlust feels to me, as the hardest "casual" wad. I think everything past it is for the goobers

[narrow condor]

I played Sunlust early on — it was one of the first pwads I've played (on HMP) and it made me think all fanmade mappacks are like that.

It kicked my butt but I managed to finish it without cheats (with continuous playthrough and saves) but I never found the secret maps at the time.

[ornate vortex]

I played sunlust casually once I started speedrunning tangerine nightmare and it took me 2 months of on and off playing for me to beat it

the last 2 levels were just savescumming galore

[narrow condor]

On UV?

[ornate vortex]

yes

it’s absolutely ridiculous and it’s weird to think that someday im going to eventually attempt sunlust on speedrunning terms

but that’s so far into the future that i don’t need to worry

but for those who wanna start getting into harder wads, jumping straight to sunlust probably isn’t the way to go, even on lower difficulties. In my opinion, I personally think Speed of Doom or Scythe II are perfect in terms of improving

nevertheless they’re still very tough

maybe just speed of doom since the difficulty spike for scythe II is definitely very sudden

[tepid tulip]

The sunlust OST goes hard

Especially map01

[broken heron]

I think my favorite thing about Plutonia is that it introduced the idea of homage maps. You could tell the Casalis really loved Doom 2 and saw the promise even in some of its weaker maps.

[slim willow]

sunlusts soundtrack is epic. they got some final fantasy remixes and shit in there

[tepid tulip]

Yeah, I wonder if there's any wads out there (besides speed of doom I believe) that have some midi arranges of Guilty Gear music

I only remember speed of doom having midnight carnival in it

[broken heron]

I wonder if anyone's repurposed music from Tyrian for Doom yet. That was one of the great 90s midi soundtracks.

[dapper flint]

Is the full ost on youtube?

For sunlust I mean

https://youtu.be/QmJk6ma19xs

Not sure how I never bothered looking it up

[pearl osprey]

I used to listen to this while a lot

The music in sunlust is quite nice

[nimble flint]

🤑

[remote hare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84y0uskHSYA

[rotund dew]

Sunder is harder and it's worth it for those who love slaughtermaps. And the architecture in the later maps is awesome

[rotund dew]

Map 32 is a joke map, but a stupid hard one. Idclev into it in ultra violence and see for yourself

[rotund dew]

Going down is also a nice option. You have the more technical maps, the tyson maps, close combat maps, and a huge slaughter map in map 28

[azure nimbus]

Sunlust is less monolithic in its goals which I think makes it a better intro to harder content. 2009 sunder and new sunder are different beasts

[empty comet]

Hey, I need the id of an actor in gzdoom/zandronum/zdoom, any why I can do this?

[dusty totem]

Personally i dont like Slaughter maps as much

Like eviternity map 26 is far too open for my taste

It just seems like enemy spam over thoughtful design

And i mean its hard, but the experience is less engaging and/or interesting to me

But maybe eviternity map 26 is just not good as a slaughter map

[rotund dew]

I think it's still too hard if you haven't even Played Plutonia

[snow lynx]

hello, what would be the best method to play classic doom w/ wads online?

i have managed to run and test the game and wads , however the online component is a head scratcher

[azure nimbus]

oh for sure

[azure nimbus]

look into odemex, zdaemon, zandronum, doomseeker and woof. Lots of people play online on different source porsts and with other people involved, ya have to be flexible

[azure nimbus]

there is a lot of varietyy in slaughter maps. don't let one sway your opinion broadly

[ornate vortex]

absolutely agreed, going down is a fantastic wad in terms of progression. Plus mouldy is a master crafter in terms of making combat fun

i consider mouldy to be one of my favourite mappers

[spice bronze]

Having never played anything aside from vanilla doom slaughter maps never made a ton of sense to me, cause it’s like “this game isn’t hard enough, I would like to put fifty hell knights in one room”

[ornate vortex]

slaughter maps are pretty mixed among the community in terms of whether they’re good. I personally enjoy them because it gives a sense of challenge at times and it’s main gimmick forces the player to play aggressively

Yes, there’s maps like the hag’s finger, which are extremely grindy and get repetitive fast (especially that fight where hundreds of hell knights teleport in and gazebo encourages you to waste hundreds of rockets on them)

[azure nimbus]

Maybe these are my biases showing, but it feels like the people who don't like slaughter are the people who jump into hard grindy repetitive slaughter, or jump to slaughter that's just too hard for their current skill level. Then people who do like it tend to have played more stuff first to acclimate to harder content and seek out quality light slaughter first.
Maybe these are not true 100 % of the time, but what I mean is that there are ways to make slaughter maps more appealing

[dusty totem]

what are considered slaughter maps actually

nuts type of maps or just long map with many monsters but small encounters

[azure nimbus]

There is a line somewhat closer to the middle. Consider combat shock2, late sunlust, sunder, fractured worlds, NoSp2's majority of maps, most of flotsam. High kills/second is the defining feature to me and whether the level is good or bad depends so much on the individual design

[dusty totem]

yeah, it could be that im just bad. but in huge encounters i just tend to cheese it byspamming from afar instead of being among the 200-300 enemies

[azure nimbus]

sometimes you genuinely don't have enough room or there are too many enemies so you gotta get close and use bfg. But sometimes, it's a win condition to free up enough space to get a distance and use rockets

[dusty totem]

yeah, if you consider sunlust map 15 a small slaughter map then i find it engaging

[ornate vortex]

i tend to see slaughter maps as high monster count, and many monsters thrown at you at once

[dusty totem]

but when every encounter encourages you to spam rockets from a safe space it feels kinda boring

[ornate vortex]

in my personal opinion, a good slaughter map is one that encourages aggressive action from the player

[dusty totem]

yeah, thats why i prolly didnt like eviternity 26

sunlust 15 is quite fun tho

[ornate vortex]

with early rush maps (great slaughter wad btw), Archi gives you a lot of weapons even if they’re locked away. It also allows you to play however you want, since you can hide in corners or play aggressive

not so much that with the late rush maps, since they force you to play aggressively at all times

[azure nimbus]

eviternity 26 doesn't even have a rocket launcher

[dusty totem]

it does

the second arena gives you a rocket launcher with a big wave of revs imps and arach

[ornate vortex]

idk if I would consider eviternity to be a slaughter wad

[dusty totem]

and then you can just stand on the stairs and spam away

[ornate vortex]

a lot of levels don’t really encourage that kinda gameplay

[dusty totem]

yeah it isnt, but the 26 map gives me the most slaughter vibes

[azure nimbus]

oh I thought it was bfg only. maybe I'm thinking of another map

[dusty totem]

but i stil need to get through sunlust fully

[ornate vortex]

Talking anout eviternity reminds me that im gonna start speedrunning through it soon

[dusty totem]

i started playing a few months ago so still need to learn

[ornate vortex]

and anagnorisis is inevitable

[dusty totem]

yeah that map i completed HMP

[ornate vortex]

I managed to somehow beat it casually almost saveless

[dusty totem]

uv is using too much of my time

[ornate vortex]

i say almost because the final bit killed me a lot

[dusty totem]

yeah its quite good, the music isnt as good imo

as like map 19

[ornate vortex]

I think the choice of music would have worked if it wasn’t such a giant map

[dusty totem]

honestly the music heavily influences the way i play the game

[ornate vortex]

me who turns off the music after 15 minutes of speedrunning

[dusty totem]

idk there are terrible tracks

which i just turn off or idmus

[ornate vortex]

I definitely had to turn off the music for rush map 2 and comatose

since those two maps took forever to complete a successful speedrun for

[dusty totem]

music quality heavily differs from wad to wad

rn playing auger zenith and has some vibes

havent played rush tho

i will prolly try once i finish eviternity uv saveless

[ornate vortex]

rush i’d say is probably a similar difficulty to Eviternity

but it’s main focus is slaughter

map 1 is nice and easy but for beginners, map 2 will kick your ass

[dusty totem]

i think its a must that map 1 is easy going

[ornate vortex]

agreed, unless it’s a difficult wad meant for diehard fans

[dusty totem]

the intro must be about the theme the wad is trying to create

[ornate vortex]

(laughs in dimensions)

[dusty totem]

i have so many wads i need to try out

[ornate vortex]

dimensions map 1 genuinely terrifies me

[dusty totem]

i have like 20 unplayed wads

only completed eviternity

[ornate vortex]

definitely a great wad to play

[dusty totem]

busy with scythe 2, sunlust, stardate 20x6 and auger

so there is still much fun to be had

honestly doom 2 has the best fps gameplay i have ever had

[ornate vortex]

Scythe II, sunlust and stardate ?!

[dusty totem]

yeah

on HMP tho

[ornate vortex]

fair enough

but still, very tough wads

[dusty totem]

HMP pistol start and a few saves

[ornate vortex]

scythe II isn’t so bad for 20 maps and then it’s insane

[dusty totem]

i think its a great wad for its time

one of the older wads

[ornate vortex]

absolutely, it’s just a shame alm couldn’t finish scythe x

it was really building up to something

[dusty totem]

oh it stopped?

[ornate vortex]

scythe x has 10 maps and alm was planning on making more

but I guess he suffered from burn out and ended up disappearing from the community

[dusty totem]

thats a shame yes, well doom mapping is really somethign you must have passion for

with its limitations

[ornate vortex]

it’s what i’ve learnt whilst doing an upcoming project

doom mapping is hard

[dusty totem]

yeah i believe, i have never mapped before

but working with limited code is a doubleedged sword

the limitations allow for creative mapping

but still they are limits

[ornate vortex]

I became inspired to make doom maps

I believe it was fractured worlds and sunlust that inspired me

(almost to the point that a lot of enemy sprites that are on my project were taken from fw)

but I can't wait to get it finished and release it as a big surprise

[dusty totem]

Gonna be big wad?

[ornate vortex]

only 7 maps

[rotund dew]

Slaughter maps are fun if correctly done.

Personally I hate grindy fights with tons of barons. They're huge ammo drains because they're tanky and make combat a chore.

Same thing happens with the use of pain elementals without lost soul limit. It can either be fun or a horrible experience.

In sunlust's God machine it was fun, because the arena is large and you have space to move around, in sunder map 7 it was horrible.

I had to turn off unlimited LS in the last fight of that map, because I wasn't having fun at all, having to face huge hordes of monsters plus a huge horde of souls to drain ammo and putting space at a huge premium.

[azure nimbus]

barons and pains can serve similar roles as slow movement pressure units. Pains kill your ammo if you wait too long, whereas barons are usually saved for last, constricting movement til the end. Used poorly of course, it can be a timewaste

[trail ibex]

I'm really bad at finding secrets, and I always end up resorting to looking them up on wikis to find them. But I noticed better players are able to find them on their own. What are some tips at finding secrets more easily?

[static lichen]

I'm not that good at finding secrets either. Although I'm sure that just paying attention to the surroundings more carefully would make it easier for you. Look for anything that seems off, like a part of a wall that's a slightly different texture than the area around it. Look for objects that are by themselves, they could trigger something

Stuff like that

[ornate vortex]

I'm just good at finding secrets and idek how

I managed to get every secret in comatose without the wiki

[azure nimbus]

One thing is understanding the limitations of the doom engine. So you'll never* see a secret activated by firing a plasma bolt for example(technically this is possible but requires some wizardry that mappers generally won't use). Without crazy magic, doom triggers are walkovers, shootables(pistol, chaingun, shotgun, ssg only), and walkovers(also triggerable by doom2 projectiles(rev,manc,arachno)).

You're looking for odd texturing, being mindful of when you could jump out of the expected area(any time there are height differences or stairs or openings in guard rails), being aware that sometimes doors or lifts also activate a nearby secret, listening for when you hear a door unexpectedly(walkover linedef). Another thing would be noticing "wow I have no armor. There is probably a megaarmor secret somewhere." Maybe you need to take care to always check around corners and poles, step far enough away that you can see vertically. At the end of the day, it is largely experience. If you've seen a lot of levels, you get more in tuned to the language that mappers use to communicate. But, if all else fails, throw the map in ultimate doom builder and just check where the sector-effect-9s are and which linedefs have the tag associated with the sector tag nearby. Oh another big one is monster closets. Mappers love putting secrets in monster closets especially small ones that serve little other purpose.

[narrow condor]

My favourite use of barons is as doors. For example: You walk into a room and the fight begins as the monsters trickle in. A baron teleports in to deny you a strategic position. You can either do the fight the regular way running around, or you can dedicate your time and ammo to quickly erasing the baron to fight from that safe point, whilst allowing the monsters to pile up as you're forced to neglect them.

[trail ibex]

Thank you

[narrow condor]

At some point it becomes second nature to press use on any texture that looks out of place. :-P

In addition to what mmjp said, look out for discrepancies in repeating patterns. Missing torch on a wall lined up with torches, multiple identical-looking monster closets except one has a different texture in its back and so on.

[azure nimbus]

simply set a script to click use on alternating frames

[narrow condor]

Simples

[rotund dew]

in that particular sunder fight, the pains are at the back, while you face huge hordes of imps, pinkies and the like, backed by more nasties like barons, arachnotrons and cybers. Before you even carve a path through all the enemies to get to the pains that are all the way at the back, you already have dozens of lost souls in the arena besides everything else you have to fight.

[azure nimbus]

is ammo low?

[rotund dew]

you have plenty of cells at the beginning and the bfg, but (at least for me) they're going to run out before you kill all the pain elementals.

[azure nimbus]

one day, I have to play old sunder

[rotund dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2UU4ZqgnZc

the fight in question starts at around 18 minutes

I had to enable the lost soul limit in this particular fight, it was too much for me and I wasn't having fun here. Others can probably manage this fight with ease.

[azure nimbus]

oh that's a lot of em

[rotund dew]

But that's not the most frustrating level from what I've played (I'm at map 9 atm), that honor must go to map 5.

Lots of platforming in tight spaces and if you fall, it's an inescapable pit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxlTIZO7o54

Zero Master makes it look easy. But it is FAR from easy

[azure nimbus]

you might be interested in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koD6kbj2WpU. Insane gazebo talks about how he anticipated freelook to be used

[hexed escarp]

oh man this part in E5M7 with the cliffs and vines is bullshit to the max

[azure nimbus]

don't fall lamo

[wise rain]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-cacodemon-gif-26438882

[vast reef]

you sort of get a sense for where secrets usually are, like video game navigation in general
it's sort of like spelling in english, you can usually guess accurately how a word is spelled even by just hearing it, because you know how words are usually spelled

[opal falcon]

Just beat Doom II!

Now on to Doom 64.

[patent sable]

doom 64 is my second favorite game of all time

[vast reef]

what are you guys' favorite hard wads that manage to be hard even without that high of a monster count

[azure nimbus]

crumpets

[ornate vortex]

Im still convinced Ancalagon is the best doom player

he managed to uv max cosmogenesis which is insane

well, all the levels except 1 i believe

[vast reef]

ancalagon is who i aspire to be as an individual

[azure nimbus]

he beat nosp2 map28 in half the time it took me

[prime lava]

best doom player is a weird term to use but yes he is one of the best maxers

[vast reef]

yeah, best doom player is really hard to define due to how many facets there are

[royal heron]

Also including skillsets

But overall it probably goes to ZM

[finite crag]

Brutal Doom Platinum or Black Edition

[calm cradle]

👍

[finite crag]

?

a, ok

[vast reef]

i've played way harder gameplay mods

[zealous void]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-taunts-thumbs-up-doomguy-gif-19046636

[dapper flint]

Nah I'm the best doom player

[slim willow]

true

[vast reef]

agreed

[azure nimbus]

gougaru can't even get all secrets in e4m7 without saves and loads

[spice bronze]

I wonder how long the original doom took to develop

[dapper flint]

Probably one party and to much scotch

[slim willow]

bet he cant get all secrets in e4m3 either. what a loser

[azure nimbus]

only if you smash piles of pumpkins into small piles of putrid debris

[slim willow]

bet he doesnt know how

[fervent inlet]

who here likes classic doom?

[spice radish]

Classic Doom is amazing

[fervent inlet]

fr

its the best

i use the gzdoom source port

the best way to play it

[pearl osprey]

💀

[spice radish]

I mainly use GZDoom and Crispy Doom

[fervent inlet]

nice

[opal falcon]

I just play it on my PS5.

[fervent inlet]

wait i got a quick question

[spice radish]

Yeah?

[fervent inlet]

so im seeing things like bethesda and id software

in the member list

are there actual people from those companies on this server?

[spice radish]

This is the official Doom discord so yeah

[fervent inlet]

oh

i see

[spice radish]

Yeah

[tepid tulip]

Both are great

I usually use them for different reasons too

[spice radish]

Both are great 100% agree

[vast reef]

eh sure

as long as you don't cheat with freelook and jump GZ is pretty good honestly

i have an unpopular opinion that hardware rendered doom doesn't look too bad when you turn on ambient occlusion

[slim willow]

software lighting good tho

[vast reef]

nothing ever comes close to software imo

it's just muah 👌

but imo the best way to get hardware rendered to look good is either with a retro shader (i alternate between a few) or just turn on some of GZDoom's post-processing

the hardware rendering you get out of the box looks blegh

[slim willow]

its so flat

[vast reef]

true

[fervent inlet]

I don’t use crouch or jump but I use free look

Also I hate the blur filter

Y’all know what I’m talking about

[vast reef]

you can use it to cheese shit but it isn't usually as bad as jump

[fervent inlet]

Yeah

Jump fucks up the game

[vast reef]

i first beat doom 1 with GZDoom and a few fights were trivialized by free look, i'll try to find them again

[fervent inlet]

Hmmm

[vast reef]

yup

[fervent inlet]

Yeah

[slim willow]

freelook can really cheese bfg strategies though if the tracers can just be used from shooting a ball above the demons

into other demons

there are ports with fake mouselook though. where you look up and down but projectiles and hitscan dont move vertically with your view

i can support that

[vast reef]

same

[vast reef]

i completely forgot about this im ngl

i used it a few times back when i was a free look user

[fervent inlet]

@vast reef do you use gzdoom?

[vast reef]

only for mods that need it

[fervent inlet]

Yeah same

What are some of your favorite mods?

[vast reef]

project malice, trailblazer, zmovement, darkdoomz, evp, samsara, QC:DE, stronghold: on the edge of chaos, high noon drifter, and DRLA

[fervent inlet]

Hmm

Nice

[vast reef]

you?

[fervent inlet]

For me I use little mods that improve the game but don’t change the game too much

Like I use smooth doom

[vast reef]

ooh

you'll love evp

[fervent inlet]

Makes the weapons animations smoother

[vast reef]

project SIDE maybe, but i didn't like it very much

[fervent inlet]

Oh

I also use a mod that remasters the entire ost

It sounds really good

[vast reef]

oh yeah

idkfa

too big imo

798mb, but the music is high-quality

i just turn on a playlist with the songs and play

[dull folio]

Classic doom is very fast until you get stuck on missions

https://tenor.com/view/trollge-troll-the-day-of-reckoning-gif-19655212

[narrow condor]

Missions?

[ornate vortex]

when you play nuts on gzdoom

[opal shoal]

https://youtu.be/EgFeqoKqOE4

Some classic doom wholesomeness

[ornate vortex]

why did they have to make the baby cacodemon an enemy in some games. I feel guilty having to kill them

[opal shoal]

They did?

[dapper flint]

Yeah they're pretty neat. Vicious little things

Really need to see a caco baby cloud

[opal shoal]

Got a link? I wanna see the lil baby attacking

[dapper flint]

I've got a pic of one from a map I played

https://imgur.com/a/v22vsmN

[opal shoal]

Thank you

[opal shoal]

Never seen a cacodemon so small (besides the one in the vid i send )

[lavish narwhal]

I started playing TNT evilution

With the old control

[fervent inlet]

oh cool

[lavish narwhal]

Yeah

[fervent inlet]

tnt is a good wad

[azure nimbus]

what do you mean by the old control?

[lavish narwhal]

It's not updated for newer control like no mouse wheel thing like that

[lavish narwhal]

It is

[fervent inlet]

Yeah

[fervent inlet]

Oh your using dos controls?

[azure nimbus]

dos did allow for a middle mouse button to be used but yeah, not for anything useful

[weary abyss]

Hmm

[dusty totem]

was dos version worse in controls?

idk i started playing classic doom when i bought it on my switch

and then played btsx e1

[slim willow]

you could fully customize the dos version's controls using the setup program. only issue was that moving your mouse forward and backwards would also move you forward and backwards. this could be undone with a simple mod though.

[vast reef]

i love classic doom's high skill ceiling with such simple mechanics

[fervent inlet]

Yeah

Me too

[lavish narwhal]

Yes

[vast reef]

anybody know why the amount of doom demos submitted spiked up so much in 2022?

based on DSDA's stats page

[misty ferry]

Do we know why brutal doom isnt one of the mods for the current versions of doom 1 and 2?

[tranquil schooner]

Is there a simple 2x enemies WAD for Doom II?

I would love to have a romp through Doom II UV but with every enemy doubled

But I'm having difficulty finding out if that exists

[spice radish]

Cause Brutal Doom can’t be made to work with those versions

It changes to many things

[slim willow]

it is mostly made with code only compatible with the GZDoom port

[royal heron]

You talking about unity? Because unity can't handle it

BD is meant to be run with GZDoom

[fervent inlet]

Yeah

[azure nimbus]

why can't unity doom run quake 3??? censorship

[fervent inlet]

Huh

[azure nimbus]

I'm kinda taking a a cheap shot at people asking why BD can't run on a vanillaish port

[steel sluice]

Hey so does anyone know how to do character modding for Classic DooM? I'm looking to make a few mods that add in new playable characters to the Classic DooM games

[azure nimbus]

doomkid's youtube has dehacked tutorials that might be of interest for you. I'm not sure if that's exactly what you're looking for but it's a start

[steel sluice]

k I'll check it out

[slim willow]

TRUE

[hexed escarp]

why does prboom rtx crash with sigil

i feel like sigil would look completely epic with it

especially if the red cracks emitted light

[slim willow]

i dont know probably same reason quake 3 wont run on unity

[hexed escarp]

???

[slim willow]

(censorship)

[hexed escarp]

oh lmao

[zenith berry]

Wasn’t Sigil made with Boom in mind?

[narrow condor]

Nope. It should run on any limit-removing source port.

[hexed escarp]

has anybody else noticed that the music for doom2 map25 and sigil e5m3 sound very similar?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0vxKTizTxE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr3urr3W_y8

especially the part at 0:15 in map25 and 1:18 in e5m3

[misty ferry]

I just didnt know, i've been wondering since doom wa technically rereleased

Also, anyone know an easy way to play multiplayer with the og wad

Something that supports gzdoom

I tried setting up a server once and couldnt figure it out

[azure nimbus]

look into doomseeker, zandronum, odemex, or zdaemon. Woof also has coop support.

[spice radish]

A good multiplayer source port similar to GZDoom for mod support would be Zandronum

[misty ferry]

is it easy to setup?

[spice radish]

dunno I personally don't use it but it is highly regarded in the multiplayer scene

[finite crag]

speaking of multiplayer, odamex is highly underrated

[halcyon willow]

Very very easy with TPSG. Free server hosting service

[vast reef]

completely different engine moment

[vast reef]

odamex's netcode is dreamy

[finite crag]

really? I've always thought it's netcode was quite shit

I guess it's good at handling tons of people

[finite crag]

Zandronum has its own clusters that provide server hosting for users if I remember correctly

I guess it isn't "hard" but there are a lot of settings and it could be a bit daunting at first

[vast reef]

well, it always worked really really well for me

[finite crag]

In all honesty the only moments I've had problems with netcodes was during PvP events

coop/survival has almost always been fine for me on all 3 ports

[vast reef]

yeah

[gusty falcon]

https://youtu.be/XDEBYSWENRQ

🤣

[vast reef]

hi goldfire

[hexed escarp]

is it just me or does bucketheads e5m1 music sound like the auditory equivalent of ADHD

[zenith berry]

Some alluded it to swapping across weapons in DOOM.

[hexed escarp]

ah ye ig

[grand mountain]

Hi I made this! Thank you for sharing it 🙂

[halcyon willow]

Running hordeamex with 100s of monsters and 32 players worked a treat

Only issue is when we tested it was no lost soul limit so thats currently capped

[dusty totem]

What are the best non official midis created for classic doom levels?

[narrow condor]

.MID the Way id Did and Ultimate MIDI Pack

[finite crag]

plutonia midi

[spice radish]

Sigil has some absolute bangers

[molten iron]

DBP37, Going Down and Sunlust have amazing midis

[dusty totem]

Going down has many great midis despite i havent gone through even half of them

Honestly i havent played plutonia yet, should try it some time

Been spoiled with the modern content from sunlust

[warped jungle]

Cyriak 🙏🙏🙏

[fervent inlet]

hey do you guys know if there is a fix for that bug in e3m2 where you get stuck in the room if you press the switch too early?

[azure nimbus]

the solution is idspispopd unfortunately

[fervent inlet]

What’s that

[azure nimbus]

It's the cheat code for noclip(idclip was added for doom2). If you're on steam or console, you can't clip and are entirely stuck

[fervent inlet]

How come they never fixed it

That’s a really game breaking but if you ask me

[warped jungle]

I didn't even know it was a thing

[azure nimbus]

Maybe it wasn't discovered. There were beta versions of some levels that are in older versions of the game. But at this point in the game's "life cycle" so to speak, changes would not be warranted. We're at the time where everything is solidified. The level is as is as both a historical artifact and importantly, exactly the same as it has been for years for speedrun compatability

But if it was 1994, I would want it fixed

[trail walrus]

you know what i would really want to see

a version of deathmatch doom but with a lot more people

it would be funny chaos

[azure nimbus]

decino did that some time last year with about 100 people

[trail walrus]

oh

well how about significaly lower?

like 8?

[fervent inlet]

also i wanted to know

whats the best way to play classic doom online

[calm cradle]

Zandronum

https://zandronum.com/

[warped jungle]

I disagree

I think that a dumb design oversight in a level most people don't care for isn't in the slightest way a part of doom's identity

[azure nimbus]

Less about artistic identity and more that levels being exactly as they have been assists in demo compatability. With that said, I don't want that type of level specifiic bug fix on a 30 year old game

[warped jungle]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think slough of despair has a demo

And if it did I don't think the demo player would showcase a softlock

Ah wait I see, I thought you meant the title screen demos

That makes sense but assuming this is something that would only be changed on the unity versions, I don't think it would really matter

[vast reef]

8-person FFA is weak

at least 10 or more

[trail walrus]

Alright

10 isn't bad

[vast reef]

i still wouldn't consider 10 enough to really be chaos

[trail walrus]

Hmm

100s too much

[vast reef]

only if the map is too small

[trail walrus]

I'm thinking of enjoyable chaos

Well yes

[vast reef]

16 or so

[trail walrus]

Ok yeah that isn't bad

[flint sinew]

Also keep in mind what mapset you want to play DM on; if the mapset average is small - having 16+ could be an overkill. Though, if the maps are insanely large, then 16 may not be enough to keep the game enjoyable.

When SkullTag was a thing, FNF was perfect for these kinds of games. Though, it was not just limited to just DM alone.

[vast reef]

yup, map size is really important

was thinking about the size of a Q3A deathmatch map or a little larger

[flint sinew]

Ah, I had in mind of BritDM, Greenwar, Dwango5, SkullTag's DM mapsets, etc etc

Each have various map sizes

[vast reef]

i've played like three matches of vanilla doom DM, i probably shouldn't be talking about this :P

but yeah, a bigger map but not too big

[flint sinew]

Time to branch out!

[vast reef]

it's just that i don't know where to play vanilla deathmatch tbh

i can't find any servers with consistent players

[flint sinew]

Yeah, the competitive scene is - dead? You're pretty much going to be playing with bots.

[vast reef]

when it comes to bots i've played quite a few matches

[flint sinew]

Clunky, but that's the best it is goingnto get for now.

[vast reef]

the only breath doom pvp ever gets is from the tastyspleen organ grinder event

[flint sinew]

Where does that take place?

[vast reef]

online, every month

organgrinder.tastyspleen.net

[low urchin]

What up

[halcyon willow]

come join our weekly insanity deathmatch sessions and say that

[hazy sandal]

[ornate vortex]

Im thinking of uv-maxing crumpets

but it does seem pretty tough, and idk if it’s considered out of my league.

The guides ive seen of crumpets all seem to say it’s a lot easier than other ribbiks wads and it’s roughly around post Scythe difficulty

which is probably where i’d say I am in terms of skill

but yet again, it’s ribbiks, so I shouldn’t treat it as something i can beat with ease

[azure nimbus]

It's not out of your league. If you're even considering beating comatose uvmax(which you beat), crumpets is very beatable. Crumpets is much easier than other ribbiks stuff, shorter too.

[ornate vortex]

i suppose so, comatose uv max is incredibly hard to pull off

but imo, what’s hard about it is getting 100% kills. The difficulty of the enemies vary depending on how you play it. Since you could end up taking on like 30 at once

Crumpets (after playing casually) is much more claustrophobic

plus, since it’s ribbiks, ammo management is a pretty big deal too

what’s funny about crumpets is that speedrunning it is probably easier than a blind playthrough in certain maps

[azure nimbus]

Yeah the last map is rather difficult without secrets. But if you know secrets, you're telefraging half the level

[ornate vortex]

definitely the last level, i might be wrong on this but you can get an early bfg too

which makes some fights a lot easier

[azure nimbus]

I don't think so https://youtu.be/k41mCGjuolM

[vast reef]

sorry, 8-person FFA DM with 10-year-olds on zandronum who just got the game are weak

[ornate vortex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yyg734lMmU
Well, you can if you initiate this fight first

It's around the 30 second mark btw

[azure nimbus]

Anc is too fast

[ornate vortex]

true, the SR50 jump to get to that fight is pretty insane

[dapper flint]

If only I didn't use controller

[halcyon willow]

Coward

[narrow condor]

How does Crumpets compare to Sunlust? Should I attempt to play it on UV or do HMP like I did with Sunlust?

[ionic sable]

https://youtu.be/HxCzeq9K6lk

[dapper flint]

Hell ya! Congrats bro

[azure nimbus]

significantly easier. More around early sunlust difficulty. Much more focused on ammo deprivation

[grand jasper]

what file extensions do doom files use? im mainly talking about WADs and PK3 files cuz i've seen one mod use .pk7 file extension which kinda pisses me off

is there some kind of standard for these files?

[spice radish]

Wdym by standard? Cause as far as I know .WAD and .pk3 files are the standard for mods and map sets

[reef wraith]

is doom worth getting on the gameboy advance sp?

[hexed escarp]

is there an estimated release date for sigil 2?

[azure nimbus]

Correct me if this isn't really answering your question, but it depends whether it's a wad or a pk3. Arguably, pk3 files have a sort of wad within them. Generally, .wad files are for vanilla, boom, or mbf content whereas pk3's are really for gzdoom stuff. So it dependeds. There are also .deh files for dehacked and .beh for boom extended dehacked files. And .exe files for the code. pwads and iwads do not have different file extensions usually

[dapper flint]

30th anniversary

[hexed escarp]

when is that?

[azure nimbus]

dec 10

[narrow condor]

There's no standard other than .wad.
.pk3 is a naming convention taken from Quake 3 Arena. It's literally .zip renamed to prevent other programs that work with zip files from opening it.

.pk7 is a similarly renamed .7z file.

The source ports that use .zip/.pk3 files use different conventions for the archive's internal structure, so it's hard to call it a standard.

Eternity seems to prefer .pke and Edge seems to prefer .epk for easy recognition but they're all zip files at the end of the day.

(It's 3 because it's intended for idTech 3, as idTech 2 (Quake, Quake 2) used .pak files (a proprietary format not related to zip). .pk4 was similarly used for idTech 4 (Doom 3, also renamed zip).)

[grand jasper]

mm alrighty then

so i shouldnt worry about any other files other than .wad, .pk3, and .pk7?

[vast reef]

yeah 😔

[finite crag]

TBH Guys. I would make a mod for PC Doom but the soundtrack replaced with the soundtrack from the Panasonic 3DO version

[frigid oar]

Installing classic DOOM on dosbox rn :)

[spice radish]

Do it

[serene bridge]

I managed to get doom to run on my phone

[finite crag]

now get it to run on a toaster

[serene bridge]

I can try

[fervent inlet]

Does anyone know how to play classic doom coop online?

[halcyon willow]

Easiest way is to set up servers using TSPG

A free hosting service for zandronum. Very stable as well

[fervent inlet]

Is there a way to play it using the gzdoom source port?

[halcyon willow]

You can do peer to peer with gzdoom

But it's more complicated to set up, and gzdoom can run into desynch issues

Which is why most gzdoom wads are only made for single player

[fervent inlet]

😢

[granite flower]

can eny body pla

[wicked igloo]

hey does anyone have any free doom links

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-guy-twerk-gif-25604234

[pearl osprey]

Funny gif I never seen it before

[pearl osprey]

If you want to play mods you can play freedoom, an IWAD for doom with replacement maps and assets https://github.com/freedoom/freedoom

[wicked igloo]

thanks

[pearl osprey]

The Ultimate Doom and Doom 2 cost money and can be purchased on stean

[fervent inlet]

can you play online using the steam version of doom?

[azure nimbus]

kinda sorta but not really. So "yes" in the sense that the steam version provides you with all of the elements of the game that you need to play online that cost money: so you're only a few free downloads away from playing online using the doom2.wad files in your steam game. But no in the sense that the engine on steam does not have online multiplayer built in

[wicked igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-cute-gif-14063524

[spice radish]

You can play local co op and deathmatch but not online

[fervent inlet]

Dang man

[hollow mortar]

Can anyone help me with Delta touch?

Oh nevermind

[vast reef]

just get zandronum

[finite crag]

or odamex

[vast reef]

yeah or odamex

[halcyon willow]

Odamex servers are a nightmare to set up yourself from what I've seen

[vestal wing]

The Wiki has WADs for original Doom

Should ping for that @wicked igloo

[spice radish]

Only free versions of the WADs are the Shareware. Minus Doom II idk if there was a shareware version for that game

Any other free version would be piracy

[vestal wing]

Damn true but still

Won't discuss it any further btw

[fervent inlet]

The resolution on those source ports suck

[pearl osprey]

P sure you can change the resolution on any source port

Zandronum can look as good as you want it to be

With many display options and different renderer styles

[ornate vortex]

idk why but after speedrunning map 1 for eviternity, it’s weird how people have got sub 1:30 and I can just barely get 1:35

maybe im missing a couple techniques, or i just haven’t grinded the map out

i tried SR50 but the map is too small for it to help that much

[halcyon willow]

You control the resolution you play at

[ornate vortex]

When you realise there’s ingame settings

but fr, usually there’s settings in game where you can change the resolution, the framerate, pretty much most things

(when i mean framerate i mean the framecap)

[hexed escarp]

how do i open the orange key door in plutonia map02

i have the orange key, but the door doesnt open

oh i figured it out lol

[fervent inlet]

It only goes up to 1024 x 1280

[halcyon willow]

And?

[fervent inlet]

My monitor is way above that

[halcyon willow]

Congratulations

You may have one (1) gold star

[fervent inlet]

🤨

[vast reef]

??????

you can get them up to like 4k

[fervent inlet]

it doesnt support my native resolution

[vast reef]

ah

[fervent inlet]

only gzdoom does that

but gzdoom is very complicated to set up multiplayer

[vast reef]

GZ has custom res but the zandro res goes high enough

[fervent inlet]

how high does zandro go?

[vast reef]

1080

[fervent inlet]

hmmm

my resolution is 3440x1440

[vast reef]

or higher, haven't really tried going past that

[vast reef]

just play with a slightly lower resolution then

[fervent inlet]

i guess i got no choice

[vast reef]

doom was designed to be playable at shit like 320x240

[fervent inlet]

and also no one is playing vanilla doom maps?

[vast reef]

if you insist on it being 1440p then that's not the game's problem

[vast reef]

there r way better ones to play tbf, especially for deathmatch

[fervent inlet]

i just wanna play vanilla doom co op

[vast reef]

ah

[fervent inlet]

yeah

[vast reef]

you'll still find some vanilla map servers but they almost always have mods

[fervent inlet]

ok

do you wanna play vanilla doom co op?

[vast reef]

if i find a way to do it on mobile then sure

[fervent inlet]

i dont have it on mobile

[hexed escarp]

What do you guys think Romero will do for e6m8

Do you think he going to have a boss encounter of some kind? If so will it be a dehacked custom boss or just more cybers and/or masterminds

[fervent inlet]

What

[hexed escarp]

The last map of sigil 2 which he is currently making

[dapper flint]

It'll probably just be cybers or masters

[fervent inlet]

Oh wow

[fervent inlet]

That’s cool

[pearl osprey]

You can set a custom resolution using -width and -height command line arguments

This should work on any source port at any resolution you want

[fervent inlet]

Even in zandroneum?

[pearl osprey]

Yea

[fervent inlet]

wow

[fervent inlet]

how do i do this again?

[finite crag]

You could always try Q-Zandronum as it supports up to 21:9 aspect ratio.

[pearl osprey]

Depends on what device you are playing on

[fervent inlet]

ok

[pearl osprey]

On windows you hold shift and right click inside the zandronum folder and choose "open powershell here"

Then you can run the command "zandronum.exe <your command arguments here>"

You can also create a batch script or edit the shortcut if you want the changes to be permanent

[fervent inlet]

Hey

q zandronum works pretty good

[finite crag]

I wonder if there's a place to find minimum system requirements for things like Prboom/Zandronum/GZdoom

[pearl osprey]

It's probably listed on their wiki's or their github pages

[vast reef]

yup, q-zandro rocks

[finite crag]

what's q-zandronum? Thought it just was zandronum optimized for qc:de

[vast reef]

yeah it is

aside from the quake movement it has quite a few other code optimizations

mainly better netcode

though it has less mod support i believe, haven't tested that much on it

[finite crag]

really? that's kinda interesting

[finite crag]

Are these custom optimizations or permanent changes

like can u just play classic doom with Q-zan or are the physics all wonky

[vast reef]

the physics are the same as in regular zandronum

don't forget that q-zan adds a way to implement quake movement, it doesn't make it the default

[finite crag]

So if I understand correctly Q-Zan is just optimized for QC:DE but at its core is still regular zan

Reason I'm asking is because Doom has/(used to have) a somewhat competitive scene surrounding the CTF gamemode

And in that scene one of the biggest issues has always been unoptimized netcode

Across all ports really, it's a reason why I dont like oda's netcode that much. It was bad on PvP

[vast reef]

i believe

since the only difference i noticed was with mods

[finite crag]

Hmm might pitch it then

[fervent inlet]

guys is Sigil supposed to be played with doom 1 or doom 2?

[finite crag]

1

its like the 5th episode

[azure nimbus]

when you download sigil, you'll get two files: sigil.wad and sigil_compat. Both files are essentially the same, but compat is an e3 replacement and the other is an e5 meant to run on ports that can handle an extra episode

[fervent inlet]

okay

[warped agate]

Yo on doom 1 E2M6 I got the yellow key but the exit which uses the yellow key was stuck any way to fix?

[finite crag]

are u sure that isn't just the fake exit

iirc that map has a fake exit

[azure nimbus]

you need all 3 keys to exit this level. it's 3 doors in a row, one of each color

[hexed escarp]

That sounds really cool, how would I join something like this

[trail walrus]

anyone wanna play deathmatch

its only 4p though

[craggy hawk]

me

[trail walrus]

ok

anyone else

thats 2 people

we need 2 more

[craggy hawk]

1v1

[trail walrus]

oh

ok

[craggy hawk]

cool

[mossy pivot]

why is battle mode dead

[trail walrus]

damn

it wont let me send it

nvm

[craggy hawk]

oof

[trail walrus]

major oof

[craggy hawk]

sadness oof

[proper bough]

anyone have any advice on how to lower the gunshot volume when playing with the brutal doom mod

its super fun but the audio is mixed so poorly. if i want to hear the monsters i'll go deaf from the gun

[fervent inlet]

guys how to do host a doom game in doomseeker?

[proper bough]

i've never used doomseeker but have you tried reading through this

wtf! i tried to send a link and it said i can't send it here

[halcyon willow]

Use TSPG to host. Doomseeker is a server search app

[fervent inlet]

oh

is that a command?

[halcyon willow]

It's a server hosting service

The Sentinels Playground

https://allfearthesentinel.net/

Set up an account and then you can host servers for free, up to 3 at a time

Awesome service. I use it every week

[novel kettle]

Hi

[finite crag]

There are discords for this, currently there's a league ongoing that sometimes gets streamed here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1715429423

If you want I can pm you the discord link

[dusty totem]

I started doom on pc with brutal doom and PB3, but i ended up loving classic doom

[tepid tulip]

For some reason I don't enjoy brutal Doom gameplay compared to classic Doom gameplay but maybe it's just me not being very comfortable with it's different kinks (not really difficulty, just feel)

[hexed escarp]

Oooh awesome thx can you send me that discord?

[vast reef]

i've sent too many messages about my opinion on BD ngl

in short i like the weapon sprites and it does a pretty great job of making you feel like an action hero but it gets boring fast because the enemy changes aren't enough to match the buffed weapons

[winged frigate]

how to fix doom 2 crashing at startup ?

[vast reef]

port?

[azure nimbus]

smartfridge

[dusty totem]

I feel like brutal doom and pb3 has much less cohesion than classic doom. There is so much content in brutal and pb but it doesnt work well with eachother to make a good long lasting experience. Besides, classic doom maps arent made with those big mods in mind

[vast reef]

pb3 is a mess

it's like it's trying to be complex doom or another monster randomizer but gave up 8 minutes in

[dusty totem]

Yeah, the randomized weapon drops also dont help

[vast reef]

yes

[dusty totem]

You want the map to be balanced around the given ammo and weapons

[vast reef]

i really really wanna design a randomizer that has a detailed set of rules for spawning to make sure stuff is balanced

like, take into account the ammo the player has, their weapons, and the surrounding monsters to make sure the fights are unique from vanilla but still balanced

[dusty totem]

Maybe PB3 and BD should balance its weapon sets so it can work better with the classic maps

But even then, the hitscanners are bullshit

[vast reef]

like what god complex does with addon progression but on an even finer level

[vast reef]

you can just rebalance the monsters

yk, buff the enemies' attacks n shit to make up for the stronger weapons

[dusty totem]

Yeah, just be like classic doom

[vast reef]

of course, raising their HP would defeat the purpose of higher-damaged weapons in the first place

[dusty totem]

Wait i can play classic doom instead

wow that works

[vast reef]

so give them stuff like fucky movement patterns to screw your aim over

[vast reef]

are you referring to my comment on rebalancing monsters

[dusty totem]

Yeah

[vast reef]

how the fuck would that make it classic doom 💀

[dusty totem]

As thats the best

Ya kno

[vast reef]

i play OP monster packs with buffed weaponsets like trailblazer to smooth it out

[dusty totem]

But honestly the biggest problem i find with bd and pb is the complexity. Even if you make a map around those mods and balance the weapons and monsters, design will still be quite primitive im sure

[vast reef]

balancing monsters as in giving them new projectile trajectory patterns, unique properties, different movement, will balance out stronger weapons because you'll die faster and probably land less hits on them

[vast reef]

complexity is very different from classic doom's depth-through-simplicity type of thing, but honestly i'm fine with it

complex mods for classic doom are a totally different game but that's the point of a lot of mods

[dusty totem]

I mean, if you build in the classic doom and add upon it with PB3 assets i would find it great

[vast reef]

i like the weapon sprites but the corpses and glory kills feel so fucking corny

[dusty totem]

Yeah, i just love the PB3 hud rn

[vast reef]

even sgt. mark iv says the glory kill animations are corny

[vast reef]

same, i like the HUD

[dusty totem]

Yeah the glory kill is meh, but im not really a doom eternal guy

I love the corruption cards mods

[vast reef]

corruption cards is really fun

[dusty totem]

I tried playing the first 10 sunlust levels with it

Was kinda crazy ngl

[vast reef]

ooh, how'd that go?

[dusty totem]

I had lack of ammo on some levels

And i restarted on the pinkie spawner cards