classic-doom

[craggy bone]

Scythe in particular gets insane on UV by the end

[slim willow]

this is true

Honestly I'd play Plutonia on UV before considering the fan stuff.

[hexed escarp]

ok

so maybe il start by pistol starting plutonia on UV

[craggy bone]

I'm playing Sunlust on HMP right now (on 26) and it's more challenging than almost any wad I've beaten on UV.

[slim willow]

I did Sunlust on UV.

[hexed escarp]

would be difficult, but i would likely improve

[slim willow]

I was not ready

[hexed escarp]

also i think pistol starting might be less stressful for me since when i play single segment i again obsess over minimizing my ammo use and getting the most possible out of every single ammo and health pick up (ie actively dodging them until i am down by exactly the amount that they provide)

[slim willow]

Not to discourage but that's still there while pistol starting. You just don't have to stress as much about having a safe health amount for the next map.

[craggy bone]

Just be aware that pistol start is harder than continuous in 95% of circumstances

[hexed escarp]

yeah ik

[craggy bone]

Unless you have a habit of finishing maps on very low health

[slim willow]

I'd also limit saves if I were you, Enator. You don't have to ditch them entirely, but maybe make a habit of only saving before encounters instead of relying on them to get through fights. Not saying you do this, but it's easy to get in the habit.

[hexed escarp]

yeah thats what i was thinking

i do overuse saves a little bit currently

[slim willow]

Yeah I'm guilty of it too.

[craggy bone]

I save loads haha

But never in the middle of fights.
Well, sometimes never.

[hexed escarp]

yeah i rarely save in the middle of fights

but every once in a while during the time in between big fights i will have just saved, but then see an enemy kill it and then save again

also picking up an item when im making <50% use of it is grounds for a load for me most of the time

[slim willow]

gotta cut out a bit of that

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[slim willow]

take it slow though. no need to make a strict set of rules

pushing yourself too hard can be really discouraging

[hexed escarp]

do you think plut on UV is a good starting place tho?

well not really a starting place, ive played the game before

but a starting place of taking it seriously

[slim willow]

most wads are at least as hard as plut

a lot are much harder

when you see people calling plutonia easy its because we have played much worse

so yes

[hexed escarp]

cool

even tho im only up to 06 on sp ive played the first 10 maps in coop with another person who hasnt played much doom before

its very fun, and ive seen civvies video on it

that video was super funny

[slim willow]

Civvie makes it out like it's worse than it is though. At least in my opinion.

[halcyon elm]

god bless that man

he's bringing a lot of people into older games

[slim willow]

dude is one of the few who have made a video about powerslave

(do not get me started on powerslave)

[halcyon elm]

it's a fine game

[slim willow]

all my private servers have the camel as an emote

im normal

[halcyon elm]

you're a very cool fella mr cheese

[craggy bone]

Plutonia is definitely the baseline for most user wads, but Plutonia often feels more unfair

To me at least

[halcyon elm]

plutonia is annoying hard, it's not a fair challenge at all

[slim willow]

it still teaches you valuable skills. such as revenant management

[halcyon elm]

it's just stupid

[slim willow]

its definitely a 96 megawad

we have well over 20 years of mapping dos and donts today

[craggy bone]

Yeah

It's aged very well, considering

[slim willow]

oh for sure

plutonias my favorite iwad. all im saying is its an older set of maps

[craggy bone]

Yeah it's my favourite iwad too. But tbh, taking off the rose coloured glasses... The competition isn't that stiff lmao

[slim willow]

what do you mean? map13 downtown and map24 the chasm deserve awards

they are so good!

[vale gyro]

Me: Wants to play Doom II
Also Me: Been stuck on a single part of an assignment for over an hour

Conclusion: School sucks, Doom rocks

[slim willow]

agreed

[vale gyro]

Straight A’s, does not mean simple writing stuff does not screw me over 100% of the time

I would have worked on it a long time ago, if not for the fact I had an after school club that goes from 6:00 to 8:00 PM

[slim willow]

why get straight A's when you could play Doom and get straight GIBS

[vale gyro]

trying to get into a good college or university when I get older

[slim willow]

I was joking but yes, good grades and a good work ethic is good.

[vale gyro]

Anyways, back to work, but with doom music this time

[slim willow]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxg39PZVcnV3WVgpdr1TnU4sM1x3kCaer

[hexed escarp]

One of the reasons that I want to get to the point where I can play hard levels is bc I want to make hard levels

[slim willow]

would love to help you on that one but my mapping abilities are not great

[azure nimbus]

there is nothing wrong making not ridiculous difficulty maps

[vale gyro]

hell, if you made a map to just make a map, I’d probably enjoy it more than an extremely hard one (because I’m worse than a one-handed sloth)

[hexed escarp]

Yeah but I like the idea of making a difficult level

[wide sinew]

Classic Doom is one of those things that bridges the generational gap. I'm in my early 20s, and I was just talking to my dad (who's in his late 50s) about Classic Doom because he used to play it back in the '90s and he said he totally remembers downloading mods through the BBS and all that good stuff. Good shit.

[vale gyro]

Only if I was born in that gap of time

Most people I know don’t know what it is, or don’t like it

Also

Should I just restart map10 of doom 2 if I only have 16hp?

[azure nimbus]

map10 has lots of items. a few berserks and a mega and some invulns. depends if they are accessible for you at that health

[vale gyro]

im only in the first room

[azure nimbus]

well at that point, sure reset why not

[vale gyro]

I got fucked pretty bad on…about 20 playthroughs, because of hitscan and pain elementals

so little ammo makes me have to take tons of hitscan damage to get infighting

[azure nimbus]

every weapon is in the short of the ssg

[vale gyro]

this entire sentence makes no sense to me

[azure nimbus]

every weapon is in THERE, aside from the ssg

[vale gyro]

I’m a professional dumbass who can kinda program

[vale gyro]

oh

so you can find every single weapon on map10, except the SSG?

[azure nimbus]

yes. even the chainsaw for our weirdos out there

[vale gyro]

dam

no what

I need to do something in my freetime

I need to finish map10

and then use IDDQD and IDCHOPPERS

…and go on a spree

[azure nimbus]

doesn't suck --GM

[vale gyro]

Me: Mentions that one degenerate Doom Mod

VEGA Status commences

Anyways, goodnight for those people (like me) who have night right now

And for others who it’s currently day, slay the hordes of hell, I suppose

[hexed escarp]

What makes anagnorisis so special? Don’t more difficult wads have tons of massive open levels like that? Why is it specifically so highly praised

[craggy bone]

Have you played Anagnorisis?

[hexed escarp]

Not yet

[craggy bone]

You'll probably understand when you do, but I'll try to explain

Anagnorisis is an achievement in map design because it's absolutely enormous, meticulously detailed, and most importantly almost entirely non-linear. It was made by the person who created OTEX, so the author obviously knew the texture pack inside and out and used it extremely well. It has a bleak and depressing atmosphere and manages to be daunting and exhausting without dragging.

[hexed escarp]

Ah ok makes sense

Which is harder, Sunlust or sunder

[craggy bone]

Probably Sunder from what I've seen?

Sunder definitely seems to contain more 2 hour slogs against thousands of enemies haha

I think Sunder is an out-and-out slaughter set while Sunlust, despite its reputation, really isn't for the most part

Though it has its share of slaughter moments

[finite crag]

Does Doom 1 have a pretty limited roster of demons? I’m watching a “demons of doom” vid on YouTube, and most of them are only Doom 2 and later.

[slim willow]

Yes

Revenants, Hell Knights, Arch-Viles, Mancubi, Pain Elementals, and Chaingunners are not in Doom 1

[finite crag]

That’s interesting, I didn’t know that.

[shut estuary]

[verbal sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/running-quick-fast-running-fast-sprint-gif-17820911

Pinkies on nightmare be like

[pearl osprey]

fr fr

[vale gyro]

should I play overboard before I have even reached map11 of doom 2?

[azure nimbus]

you can play what you want. Cyriak doesn't make crazy hard stuff, so maybe on HMP, it'll be good for a less experienced player

[vale gyro]

I can tell you

Map01 beat my ass, and the archvile on map02 is annoying

[verbal sluice]

at least archies make that satisfying sound when you finally kill their bald ass

[azure nimbus]

wub wub wub -- least that's what I hear. It's actually ||a young girl asking "why" with the audio reversed and I think stretched||

[cloud talon]

Doom no have lives

[verbal sluice]

barrels of fun on nightmare is legit aids

[cloud talon]

Implying its fun on any other difficulty

[verbal sluice]

i dont mind it otherwise but my god

run through a tiny corridor with pinkies eating your asshole out

and whats your reward at the end? 3 chaingunners all around you and an archvile you cant fucking see, sick

[verbal sluice]

auto weapon switching

why.

[spring mauve]

what is this referring to

[azure nimbus]

the archvile death sound

[verbal sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/829283805071540246/1038225148790177873/image.png

this is fun

[azure nimbus]

what are you playing with 830 kills from 103 placed enemies in unity no less

[verbal sluice]

nightmare co-op lol

[azure nimbus]

exit the level lmao

[verbal sluice]

you played nightmare before?

[azure nimbus]

yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boXSIaiVgVo&list=PL6z3JwchtJUHVRieo2R4fI3rv9vNzKpu- has all doom1 and d2 levels. I've learned how to use demos since then for better video quality lol

[verbal sluice]

im stuck on bloodfalls right now

this is the most time a level has ever taken me

[surreal temple]

same here, i was battered at like, 30 hp on UV

but youll get through it

[verbal sluice]

ive got to the exit part once in 3+ hours lol

[surreal temple]

yeah it took a while for me too haha

are you playing on UV?

[verbal sluice]

na nightmare coop

fuck it i need a break

[surreal temple]

Damn

you have it rougher than i did

[verbal sluice]

its a really short level too but the spawn area is hell

[surreal temple]

Heh right

The chasm must have given yall hell, especially on co op

[verbal sluice]

chasm wasnt as bad as i was expecting tbh haha

wasnt too many enemies on the beam sections

[vale gyro]

Are there any tips on how to get better at doom (except practice, I get that part lmao)

[verbal sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/829283805071540246/1038263342227263599/image.png

FUCKING YES

[verbal sluice]

i found watching decino's vids on game mechanics helped massively, also pistol starting every level to help you with resource management

[tired dawn]

yo guys

what is a terry's mod?

i've seen it used but i don't know what it meant

[slim willow]

[tired dawn]

what is terry's mod?

[pearl osprey]

Any shitpost/joke mod

[narrow condor]

A 'terrywad' refers to a shitpost wad, named after an infamous user Terry who was known for making low-quality wads that were annoying on purpose.

[ornate vortex]

There's tons of videos out there that can help. A1s is my go to for whenever I struggle with anything in my speedruns

I suppose playing harder wads helps too

but it depends on what kinda maps you wanna play

an example is if you wanna play more slaughtery maps, then i'd say rush is a good wad to start on

[verbal sluice]

29 & 30 to go

[tired dawn]

yo guys

what doom version does reelism 2 uses?

coz it shows a sonic cd lookin ass

[slim willow]

you playing on gzdoom?

[tired dawn]

ye

[tired dawn]

so?

what version should i use?

so no response?

[pearl osprey]

The latest version of GZDoom should work

[slim willow]

i dont know. latest should work fine

[tired dawn]

doom 1 or 2?

[slim willow]

i would always try 2 for mods

unless it says to use 1

safest bet is to use 2

[tired dawn]

it says this is not a standard doom 2 wad

[slim willow]

it isnt. its a gameplay mod

[tired dawn]

the doom 2 levels are not used

[slim willow]

if its not working with 2 or 1 i dont know what to say other than maybe check your compatibility settings?

[tired dawn]

it says please use the new game option to select a map

sowhat should i do?

[slim willow]

load it up and hit new game?

[tired dawn]

it worked

turns out it was a menu

[slim willow]

nice

[dapper flint]

It's just experience time. Like everything else. No magic way. Try to do mid saves or saves before fights when practicing a map instead of save scums

[dapper flint]

You got this. 30s a cake walk

[verbal sluice]

29 is definitely the toughest of the lot, you kind of need to do 28 and then go into 29 with the weapons and armor

[dapper flint]

Yeah just do 28 and grab the bfg. Use it in 29. There's plenty of cell ammo in 29

Also if you don't do the bfg thing jump off the second walkway. To your right there's a hidden cove that teleports you to a plasma rifle. That's what I ended up using

[verbal sluice]

Yeah I've got a strategy but got a lot of others game to play too lols

[cyan fjord]

Would the console ports of doom be the bfg edition

[dapper flint]

The new console ports are unity

[cyan fjord]

So they wouldn't count as the bfg editions

[dapper flint]

No

[slim willow]

doom 3 is the bfg edition but 1 and 2 are not

[cyan fjord]

Ok cause I want to play nightmsre with turbo Pinky's

[slim willow]

it has turbo pinkys

[verbal sluice]

are you insane

[cyan fjord]

Yes

[hexed escarp]

is okuplok the hardest single map?

[dapper flint]

More tedious than hard. It's designed to tire you out.

[verbal sluice]

Personally looking forward to playing doom without having it split screen

https://tenor.com/view/funny-cant-see-cant-read-meme-ken-jeong-gif-16673476

[jade solstice]

Yeah I’ve always wanted to try nightmare co op but I’m not sure if I’d have the patience to do it solo split screen for the sake of the achievement lol

[finite crag]

Keep playing on uv till u find it eZ and switch it to fast monsters

[narrow condor]

Why not just play on nightmare with -solo-net (or w/e routine your source port uses)?

[azure nimbus]

try sigil e5m1 on NM -coop_spawns, see if it's doable at lol. lots of levels don't even have new monsters on coop

[narrow condor]

I'll pass haha

I meant in reference to doing it manually with split screen.

[azure nimbus]

there's an achievement for unity to beat doom1 (e1 through e3) on nightmare coop and doom2 on nightmare coop. I think they did coop so saving would be disabled

unity doesn't have nice parameters so if you go for the achievement, you're playing split screen and having to use a second controller to sit there

[dapper flint]

Meh fast monsters isn't exactly harder. Makes you play passively. Go to a harder wad after and you'll notice a change in your play style. Really isn't worth it

[vale gyro]

I die within seconds when playing uv, I’m calling off that one for now

[dapper flint]

Eternals demon design is directly based off of doom 2

If you mean the aesthetic I dig it

[spice radish]

imo the Pain Elemental’s modern redesign looks the best out of the other Doom 2 demons that got brought back

[azure nimbus]

the modern pain elemental is kinda lame. He's just tanky. The classic pain elemental spawns other monsters. With that said, the battlemode pain elemental made the gamemode possible

[spice radish]

Look wise they did a great job

Even though he isn’t nearly as much as a pain as his sprite version

[azure nimbus]

https://youtu.be/_LuZvhEBY9s flotsam really be crazy

[craggy bone]

Fast monsters absolutely makes the game harder. You have to play passively because the spiked difficulty demands it, otherwise you just get gibbed within like ten seconds lol

Also I feel like the designs in classic Doom are close to perfect. Every enemy is easily identifiable and distinctive. You can easily pick out pretty much any enemy type in the middle of an enormous crowd of demons, takes like half a second.

[dapper flint]

For a harder challenge play a harder wad. Fast monsters just really alters play style to much for my liking

[slim willow]

i think fast monsters is a novelty but not really much more. glad the guys at nightdive removed them in the quake rerelease

[dapper flint]

Absolutely agree. I've done my fair share of fast and really being forced to play like a baby doesn't show case any sort of skill. Which is why I question it as a flex these days

[slim willow]

a lot of it is just hiding behind corners and letting the comically fast demons beat each other up because the turbo rev rocket hit the back of a baron

also cybers are wimps. faster rockets but they never move

[dapper flint]

It's just infight heaven and exploits

And minimizing your push

[slim willow]

yep

theres a reason it was added as part of nightmare. and nightmare was a joke

[dapper flint]

It kinda works in nightmare because you're running away speed running as much as possible. With just fast its just a weird playstyle you're forced into

[slim willow]

yeah. good luck getting 100% kills with respawn.

[dapper flint]

Main point is.. just don't.

[slim willow]

no no it would make for a real fun challenge

[dapper flint]

It just works

[gusty falcon]

I've never been able to play with fast monsters until I played gun caster

Cygnus is so agile that he can fight at that speed

[slim willow]

never played guncaster

[gusty falcon]

Especially in an open area

I definitely recommend it big dragon makes big booms with big guns

The super shot gun of that mod is amazing

The dragon can also glide

I remember this one outdoor room in btsx 1 where there was imps and mancubus just hurling fireballs everywhere and I was jumping and flying around frantically trying to dodge everything while firing back it was nuts but a pretty fun rush

[finite crag]

Fast monsters made me better at doom. For me it was worth it

[dapper flint]

That's pretty strange but nice

[verbal sluice]

might just give up on this achievement i genuinely cant be arsed

[dapper flint]

I kinda warned you like 5 times man. You told me to shut up

Always a good idea to get 29 out of the way first. If you can't do it then you won't waste your time playing all the other maps nightmare

[azure nimbus]

then again, someone coming from uv might not be ready for lvl29 nm. but if they play the rest first, they may develop the skills necessary for 29

[toxic root]

dont pistol start map23 on fast monsters

[finite crag]

what's your opinion on dosbox doom?

[edgy parrot]

Hey everyone, I have the "Doom remake 4" which is obviously not "legal" anymore or whatever. But I just downloaded the REVILUTION .wad and was wondering if theres a way for it to be ran on the Doom 4 remake?

[verbal sluice]

i just really hate nightmare, i know its designed to be unfair but it's infuriating at times

[finite crag]

ik

i think it was added as a joke

[slim willow]

It was. Doom initially launched back in 93 with Ultra-Violence being the hardest difficulty. People said it was too easy and in the next revision they added Nightmare

It was made to be stupid.

[spice radish]

Fun thing to experience. Would never pick it over other source ports

id’s other games gotta get a remaster at some point. Quake and the old Doom games got that treatment, what about Wolfenstein 3D?

[summer cipher]

And now, 25 years later, we said "Nightmare was too easy" so they added ultra nightmare. it was made to be even more stupider

[dapper flint]

Not at all actually

I'd do UN over classic nightmare any day of the week

[finite crag]

So I started playing Doom 1 for the first time

[finite crag]

I’ve got a few noob questions if anyone has time whenever

[slim willow]

what type of questions?

[finite crag]

First, is each episode sort of it’s own game? I finished Knee Deep in the Dead, then there was a paragraph and then the credits rolled.

[slim willow]

Back in the 90s a lot of PC games were sold under the "shareware" model which almost always meant an episodic structure. Basically release the first episode free and entice people to "register" the software by paying for the rest of the product. Doom 1 was no exception. You start each episode with only a pistol so yeah you could think of each as their own game but they're parts of the whole experience.

End of Episode 1 leads into 2, end of 2 leads into 3, etc.

[gusty falcon]

Honestly that model back then I felt worked

[finite crag]

Ok yeah, cause it was like “check out the shores of hell!”

[gusty falcon]

But now modern triple a games do it

Whether it's seasons or parts

[slim willow]

The whole thing is a relic of its time.

[finite crag]

Also, I was sort of confused about the purpose of pushing the buttons, flipping the switches, etc

[slim willow]

You know in Doom 3 when you press a button on a screen and a door opens or something?

[gusty falcon]

It would be a relic if a part of it didn't still exist 🥲

[slim willow]

Big ol buttons and switches open doors, reveal secret rooms, end the level, etc.

Doom 1 has a much higher focus on exploring, finding keys, and all that. Each map is basically a mini maze filled with demons to eviscerate.

[fresh kayak]

hello

[finite crag]

Yes, that. A lot of the time I felt like I was just running around exploring

[fresh kayak]

whats ur favourite doom game

[slim willow]

Basically all the old 90s shooters have the "find keys, shoot things, find the exit" approach.

[slim willow]

Probably 1 tbh I replay it more than any of the others

3 maybe

[finite crag]

This is the first time that I’ve played a game pre-2000s

How did anyone know the story back when it came out? No plot at all haha.

[slim willow]

The manuals!

[finite crag]

It felt really cool playing it though. Sort of special after finishing the newer games

[slim willow]

It's a blast

[finite crag]

Soldiers, imps, pinky, spectre so far

Oh! The 2 dudes at the end

[slim willow]

you will encounters cacodemons

[slim willow]

the barons of hell. get used to em lol

[finite crag]

Is thy flesh consumed part of the story? Or just random maps?

[slim willow]

its kinda sorta part of the story. it technically happens after episode 3 and before doom 2.

its a bit weirdly paced but its super fun if you want a challenge. if you find it frustrating you can always just skip it. it was added in the 1995 retail release as a bonus. its not mandatory but i recommend it

[finite crag]

My friend showed me Doom on his computer back in high school in like 96-97 maybe. I can’t believe I’m finally playing it all these years later haha.

[slim willow]

its a blast to play thats for sure. i think its aged pretty well considering its turning 29 next month

[finite crag]

I’m playing the 2019 Xbox version for this too. It looks and feels great.

[slim willow]

Yeah its pretty good

[finite crag]

They’ve got all these user made expansions you can download

[slim willow]

Yeah. Don't feel rushed into doing it all just yet though.

[finite crag]

I’m only interested in the official stuff for now

I didn’t find any secrets

[slim willow]

I think looking for them is fun. You get more ammo and health that way.

[slim willow]

tbh i think im going to have to replay doom 1 now lol. you got me in the mood

[finite crag]

Heck yeah. Keep this Doom party going

[verbal sluice]

I have a strat for it now, but that ending part with the 3 platforms is actually a disease

[echo tartan]

GZdoom is crashing me a lot and i dont know why, the game just freezes and forces me to relaunch the game

[vivid vine]

Psx

[spice radish]

Maybe try a different version of GZDoom?

[finite crag]

unity remasters are my way to play doom 1 and 2

i use gzdoom for mods and zandronum for multiplayer and my favorite mod: complex doom clusterfuck

[sick crane]

Hi

[spice radish]

The Unity remasters are pretty solid ports yeah

[slim willow]

hoping to get it for real soon

[verbal sluice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/829283805071540246/1039670471597240380/image.png

fuck. doom.

[pearl osprey]

Damn

[dapper flint]

Rest now. You deserve it

[cursive shell]

hewo everybody

im new

[verbal sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-the-office-dead-inside-dead-gif-9152977

[kindred sluice]

Hi and say hello normally next time please

[pearl osprey]

Hi new, I am dad

[feral holly]

Hi new, I am dead

[zenith berry]

Hi dead, I am undead

[limpid echo]

Hi undead, i am dad

[slim willow]

damn i havent seen this one before

[lapis stag]

This is the only trophy I'm missing for the platinum trophy in Doom 1 and 2

[finite crag]

@finite crag ahahahah

a question, do you think doom zero is more difficult than doom 2 ultra violence?

[hexed escarp]

Does anybody here play doom with dosbox?

[fast mortar]

I first played doom 1 and 2 on dosbox because i had no idea gzdoom existed, and i still liked it

[finite crag]

dsslop is my favorite doom sound effect

if you don't know, it's the sound that plays when you gib a player, a zombie or an imp

[hexed escarp]

What settings did you put for the sound settings

Because when I use default settings there is an infuriating audio delay, but when I turn up the buffer size, the audio gets super crackly

[finite crag]

i played doom first on zdoom

then i played on gzdoom when i bought the games on steam since it automatically detects the iwads

then i played them on steam and told myself "this sucks" but then i started to like it

then i played the unity port and i think it's the most solid official port of doom

however, i don't like that it doesn't have online multiplayer

[vale gyro]

Well, I’m mad

The cyber demon on map 10 has done nothing but kill me for the past hour

There is nowhere near enough rocket ammo to kill him

This is a time in doom where I genuinely hate it

I’m just sick of having to play the same level over and over and over and over and over and over again

And a mode most doom players call easy

Which I call impossible

Then the fucking game somehow lags?!

No what, fuck doom for now. If I’ve been playing for 3 years and can’t even do HMP, I can’t improve

[dull snow]

What are you playing

I've been playing doom on hntr for 10 years about. No shame in that

[vale gyro]

doom 2

[slim willow]

Dude take it slow. If you can't do HMP or UV at the start then don't. Get good at HNTR and if you're feeling ready, try HMP, then UV. Or just don't. Really it's your game.

[azure nimbus]

map10 is one of the hardest levels to max. you basically have to know where the secrets are to get enough cells and the invuln to kill him. Cells ofc being more efficient than rockets for cybies

[vale gyro]

im not maxing

just trying to beat the level

is there a way to avoid the cyber?

[vale gyro]

and all of this started just from stress..

starting from my 5th period during school, ending after getting pimpslapped by the cyber

[blissful elbow]

Load up russian overkill

Vent that stress

[verbal sluice]

i swear you can just run past him lol

isnt there an invuln sphere in the same room that he spawns in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJnEFjjL5oU welp...

oh shit its been deleted, rip squidward

[azure nimbus]

if you know where to grab the invulns, you can take those and run by him. there is a secret door near the yellow key

[zenith berry]

I wonder how would a health bonus taste like.

[orchid prairie]

prolly NyQuill or somethin

[vale gyro]

without invulns

remember, this is the first time I’ve tried to complete map10

as I just more recently got doom 2

And I have no clue where the invulns are on map10

[narrow condor]

You can get spoilers from Doom Wiki.

[slim willow]

yes

hope youre using doomwiki.org

[vale gyro]

yep

screw that fandom crap

[finite crag]

Dying at the end of a level and accidentally quick saving the death is quite possibly the worst feeling ever

[verbal sluice]

Don't spoil the story for him bro wtf

[verbal sluice]

For me it's either falling in a pool of acid you can't get out of or seeing a lost soul fly towards you when you're reloading the super shotgun with 10hp

[wintry ocean]

Isn't it possible to telefrag the cyber on MAP10?

maybe I'm mistaking it for another map

[azure nimbus]

Check the wiki if you want, no shame. I wouldn't want to look for secrets on a vanilla map. secrets are often nonsense in the iwads

[azure nimbus]

https://youtu.be/DE9p7WxMiZ4 a route that I use to sprint through and not fight anybody

[finite crag]

Honestly fair

[worn gyro]

Bout to play doom 2 in class

[zenith berry]

Welcome to a safe zone.
All these DOOM-scrolling through what’s currently happening must have fatigued you. Whatever the case, you’re safe here in this base. Have a break and take this soulsphere, you’ll need it.

[dapper flint]

Route 10 hey

[ornate vortex]

When you’re playing Doom in the reality category:

[spice radish]

Medicine

Or at least I always imagined it tasting like the medicine you give to little kids

The stuff that tastes good

[narrow condor]

Sparkling water

[royal heron]

if health bonuses taste like sparkling water I'd be ecstatic

[trim jay]

doom 1 & 2 OST goes hard

[waxen zealot]

Indeed, always a classic

[zenith berry]

Final DOOM TNT goes even hard

There’s not much appreciation for the OST of TNT Evilution. Sadistic, Into the Beast’s Belly, etc…

[waxen zealot]

yeah man, TNT's tracks were some of the best! And totally agree, those tracks and a few others deserve a lot more credit!

it's kinda a shame too, as some of the maps that the midi were assigned to are well, not the best IMO

[dapper flint]

Probably tastes like mancubus booty sweat

[royal heron]

eugh

[vast jetty]

its made from cacodemon blood

[finite crag]

Think I’m gonna start Shores of Hell tomorrow

[meager kite]

I prefer doom 1's music

[trim jay]

me too

[finite crag]

u know what I was thinking about, is Doom pretty much the only game where the modding community produces custom music?

[zenith berry]

Friday Night Funkin’

[finite crag]

Except one of them has good music

[finite crag]

true

[finite crag]

Half Life?

[dapper flint]

Left4dead community is great also

[spice radish]

Not at all. The Doom community is definitely not the only modding community to make custom music

[toxic root]

e4m1 on fast monsters is borderline unfair

[azure nimbus]

if borderline isn't enough, there is always nm

[finite crag]

You could say that for literally any level in thy flesh consumed

[toxic root]

ehhh

only it and e4m2

it gets easier as it goes on

[finite crag]

Yeah true

[hexed escarp]

And e4m6

[finite crag]

Tnt is wild

I spent so long on just map08

Final doom is ridiculous

[verbal sluice]

I haven't played TNT in ages, need to give it another go

Started Plutonia again for a laugh then got distracted by brutal doom

[dapper flint]

Tnt is still ass don't worry

[verbal sluice]

cant remember it tbh

[finite crag]

I’m giving final doom a fair try because I’ve heard some great things about it but man it is just too much sometimes

I absolutely love hard games but wow

[dapper flint]

Plutonia is one of my favorites. Tnt not so much

[finite crag]

Yeah I’ve heard plutonia is amazing and tnt is the world’s biggest mixed bag

[vast reef]

cf is pretty cool

my luck sucks ass though

[noble ingot]

Hello

[grave flower]

DAMNIT, died 33 minutes into my Sunder map15 UVmax attempt

best run so far

I hate revs, I hate cybies, I hate viles, I hate RNG, I hate everything lol

[finite crag]

CyberDemon is kicking my ass 😆

[rocky moth]

I feel that

[cinder ibex]

Whoever made map 9 of TNT, why did you make not one, but two secrets a box of shotgun shells

when there are 97 shotgunners in the map

[hexed escarp]

What is the best/easiest way to deathmatch nowadays

[finite crag]

yeah, it has a cool ost

tnt is weird, when it has a good level, it's really good, but when it has a bad level it's really bad

plutonia experiment is good but the revenant and chaingunner spam is annoying

[narrow condor]

Perhaps as a joke — like how some maps have convoluted and opaque secrets that lead to a single health bonus.

[finite crag]

Hi

[novel plaza]

Zandronum/Doomseker I guess

[rocky moth]

I been playing doom 1 on hurt me plenty and I’m on inferno

[narrow condor]

The end is near!

[finite crag]

I need to beat that cyber demon today. I got too tired last night

[rocky moth]

I feel that I did it on hurt me plenty it was hard but not too hard for me but I believe in you, you can do it

[finite crag]

TNT isn't very fun tbh

very confusing maps

[rocky moth]

Is that in final doom?

[pearl osprey]

Yeah final doom consists of TNT: Evilution and The Plutonia Experiment

[rocky moth]

Okay I didn’t know thanks

[finite crag]

Do you play as other characters in those two

[pearl osprey]

Nope, you are still the same good ol' doomguy

[finite crag]

Dude needs an off day

[rocky moth]

True

[zenith berry]

Hell will continue to exist but I feel the Slayer deserves a great conclusion after all the things that happened to him.

[finite crag]

Should Episode 4 be thought of as dlc, or is it pretty integral to the story?

[dapper flint]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/132407-knee-deep-in-kdizd-released-its-kdizd-for-doom2exe/

[halcyon elm]

wtf how

[dapper flint]

No idea haha but it's a blast. Using eternity

[halcyon elm]

this is amazing bro

[verbal sluice]

I've just beat caged on plutonia

And I feel like I've aged 8 years

[finite crag]

I just to map 12 on TNT

And for the first time ever I actually feel good at classic doom

The first two games I was just kinda stumbling and saving my way through

[waxen zealot]

Haha, enjoy the power trip now in TNT, because if you are planning to do Plutonia... Let's just say it's no cake walk.

[finite crag]

Is there somewhere online where you can read the original plot synopses from the manuals?

[cinder ibex]

doom wiki probably

[finite crag]

Oh yeah I’ve heard

[waxen zealot]

Yeah, but plutonia also got some of the best level designs.

[finite crag]

Although recently is the only time I’ve actually felt strategic and in control of my playing, whereas playing through doom 2 I was just brute forcing levels with obnoxious saving

[waxen zealot]

It inspired so, so many other wads and sequels, PL2, Hell Revealed...Scythe... to name a few

I see I see, it is certainly a nice feeling to have XD

[finite crag]

Yeah I’ve heard it’s well worth the chaingunners

[waxen zealot]

Enjoy the archies xD

[finite crag]

Oh boy

Every clip I see on YouTube is that archvile minotaur maze

[waxen zealot]

Ah Hunted, one of the most infamous levels?

It's actually not that bad. Archviles are a piece of cake when they are alone, it is when there are "buddies" that they get really dangerous

[vast reef]

yep, you can kill them before they launch their attack using the SSG

takes a bit of timing

[azure nimbus]

Not without luck or cover lol. Not like ssg damage is fast enough to kill them before they finish an attack

[dapper flint]

I have had a few stun chains before. Super satisfying

[finite crag]

Archvile Homies

[toxic root]

pistol starting e4m4 on fast monsters sucks

maybe if i use the invuln and berserk pack on the last room before i exit though...

[azure nimbus]

You probably know since you're playing -fast, but the phrasing of "use berserk on (room)" makes me unsure: remember that berserk lasts for the whole level

[toxic root]

im aware

honestly i should just blow all my rockets on the cacos in the invuln room too

since ill just punch out the four in the closets

the main problem comes from the first fucking room

IT WORKED

LETS GOOOOOOOO

[waxen zealot]

what worked?

[azure nimbus]

going pew pew

[finite crag]

beneath the waves of stx

[finite crag]

I still remember the shock on my face when I finally realized berserk lasts the whole level

[azure nimbus]

unless of course, you play one level for several years straight

[finite crag]

Yeah like four years or something

[grave flower]

1:33:49 on Babylon's Chimera

ugh, not fast enough

Also not consistent enough 😦

I gotta git gud

[azure nimbus]

that's barely slower than ZM's run esok

you might like flotsam if you're interested in the more exacting levels

[grave flower]

Oh, I'm doing demo attempts of Sunder 15 til I get it

It's gonna take me months

I've got many of the fights down, or at least kinda consistent, but there are a few that are fucking baffling

[finite crag]

Time to beat that damn CyberDemon

[grave flower]

I cannot figure out the post-caco cathedral Rev wave for the life of me

Wish I could ask ZM lol

I'm certain I can beat his time, if only because he played some fights insanely safe and used some really slow cheese at points

I'm targeting 10k demo attempts or so

It helps that all the hardest fights are super early on - I think if I can make it to the red door room fight, I'll win

[finite crag]

Woo! Onward to Inferno

[dapper flint]

I like how one person is talking about ball breaking runs and the other is talking about killing one cyber

[azure nimbus]

A single cyber is most of the way to hell

[grave flower]

Honestly, I've died more to the very first cyber than to most of the rest of the map combined lmao

I hate fighting cybies with a passion, splash damage and insanely high aggro and 2-shots are no bueno

And for some reason I die less fighting 2 cybies than when fighting one solo 😐

[toxic root]

decided to try that strat and i managed to finally beat the damned level

[finite crag]

Getting ready to start Thy Flesh Consumed

[hexed escarp]

Did you finish inferno already?

[finite crag]

Yup

[hexed escarp]

Cool

[finite crag]

Couple pain in the butt levels on that one, but nothing too bad

[hexed escarp]

Thy flesh is trickier but not too bad

[vale gyro]

i’ll always hate Episode 4…

[hexed escarp]

E4m1 e4m2 and e4m6 are all pains in the ass but the rest are pretty ez

[finite crag]

Thy Flesh is sort of a dlc isn’t it?

[vale gyro]

welll

Ult Doom is it’s own game technically

[obsidian zealot]

Just beat inferno!

[finite crag]

Me too!

Any sort of list of all the old games and expansions in chronological order?

[toxic root]

thy flesh consumed is more or less an expansion

didn't ship with the game originally, but it came with ultimate doom later down the line

[finite crag]

Does it connect to the story?

[jovial birch]

Popular opinion: Arch-viles are annoying little shits that try to mess you up in every way, yet still are fan favorites.

[finite crag]

Doom, Doom 2, Final Doom is the basics that I know

Currently halfway through TNT

What about No Rest for the living

[finite crag]

Oh right

That came out on the Xbox 360(?) as a bonus and I’ve heard it’s spectacular

It’s one of the many add ons available for the newer Xbox releases of the old games

[grave flower]

Hey, does UVMax on a level with a secret exit require actually taking the secret exit, or is just labeling the secret sector ok?

[azure nimbus]

do not need the secret exit itself

[vale gyro]

I just figured out that the UAC walls in that one room in map10 (the one where it’s hitscan hell to get yellow key) are secrets

Totally did not get jumpscarred by the chaingunners

[cursive flax]

doom 64 is after doom 2

I dunno how final doom would fit in between doom 2 and doom 64. but I'd probably put it between 2 and 64

[hexed escarp]

Do the two final doom stories go together at all?

[finite crag]

I don’t think so

[narrow condor]

The stories are so loose and thin that you can just fill in the gaps between them yourself.

Which was the norm with most video games at the time.

[finite crag]

True

Each of them honestly just feel like little episodic adventures to me

Kinda just randomly going from one to the next through your imagination

[dapper flint]

Nah. Not even the same person in tnt

[hexed escarp]

Ah ok

Is tnt the only official doom game where you are not playing as the same person?

Wait no doom 3 as well

[finite crag]

Final Doom, based on synopsis, seems very odd

[gusty falcon]

Well it was a fan made project turned into a commercial product at the last minute so that makes sense

[finite crag]

Has it ever been declared canon or not?

[gusty falcon]

It's honestly been debated to hell at this point

No one really knows for sure

[finite crag]

I’d include No Rest for the living in that question of canon also

[obsidian zealot]

Just beat doom 1!

[dapper flint]

It is. According to hugo

[noble ingot]

Real Life praetor suit

out of metal

[finite crag]

Why can’t I get across the ledge in perfect hatred?

Nvm I didn’t know you could speed walk

[azure nimbus]

have you been walking instead of running all game

[finite crag]

I didn’t know doom guy could float across thin air, no. But I knew he could run.

[hexed escarp]

is it just me or do these two sound eerily similar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOQaeKrWxWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGa7jA47JoY

like i understand that they use the same melody and all

but it sorta sounds like mick sampled andrew here

[orchid prairie]

that's a remake of the original victory screen theme made by bobby prince

[spice radish]

Andrew has said that he and Mick use similar stuff for music. So it's probably just the fact there using similar or the same stuff when making music.

[hexed escarp]

yeah ik but the instrumentation sounds very similar

[hexed escarp]

ah yeah makes sense

[finite crag]

Just finished Thy Flesh Consumed 🥳

Any of you guys played Sigil?

[orchid prairie]

not that much but I had fun with it. the level design is super cool

it's like a buncha hell caverns with markings on the walls and tortured corpses everywhere from what I played

[finite crag]

🥳

[hexed escarp]

played the first 4 and a half maps

its pretty fun and the aesthetics are insanely cool

also the paddock soundtrack is AMAZING

some people prefer the buckethead soundtrack but its not my favorite and imo it doesnt fit doom

if you do prefer instrumental over midi tho someone made an instrumental cover of the jimmy paddock soundtrack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFltUEm3FGQ

and you can use it ingame

[finite crag]

First level was cool

[dapper flint]

Can't go wrong with bucket head

[finite crag]

Who is bucket head

[hexed escarp]

sigil has two soundtracks

the midi one by jimmy paddock

and the instrumental one by buckethead

you have to pay 6 euros to get the buckethead one

imo it doesnt fit the game nearly as well as the jimmy one

[finite crag]

Oh cool

[dapper flint]

Nah midi is better for the gameplay but the bucket head soundtrack on it's own slaps

[royal heron]

ye

[finite crag]

Well, if you don’t count Sigil, I’ve officially completed Doom 1 for the first time ever

The mill from TNT is such an awesome map aside from the fact that you have to shoot a random wall with no hint to progress

I’ve got a long way to go before that one

You’ll make it

If I can get that far anyone can

I think I’ll do Sigil and then launch into Doom 2

I’ve never played sigil so I don’t know how hard it is

But doom 2 definitely gets pretty damn frustrating coming from doom 1

More keys? 😆

[azure nimbus]

sigil is around plutonia difficulty: a fair challenge for someone comfortable with doom2.
It is not appropriate for people who haven't played doom ever/in decades and will complain that it's unfairly hard on a youtube review(that's what HNTR and HMP are for)

[finite crag]

I’m trying to do things chronologically

That’s probably not the best idea unfortunately

Going into a hard map pack unprepared can be frustrating and skew your perception of the level quality as josh said earlier

That’s true

Yeah it can ruin the experience for you and end up turning you off from some potentially awesome level design

Maybe Doom 2 first 😆

Yeah probably

[hexed escarp]

It’s a matter of opinion, I wasn’t a huge fan of the buckethead tracks, even for listening

They were way too sporadic

Also jimmys soundtrack is creates this really cool hopeless atmosphere

[hexed escarp]

You should try listening to this remake

It takes the same amazing atmosphere but gives it that higher quality that comes along with true audio

1 4 and 8 are definitely the highlights

[finite crag]

I loved that riff on the first Sigil level

[hexed escarp]

Yeah def

I hope Romero gets jimmy to do the soundtrack for sigil 2 as well

Although maybe he will want to bring on multiple people since it will be 30 maps

[dapper flint]

Yeah music is definitely an opinion. Don't agree with yours but it's all good

[finite crag]

I’ve thought all the Doom music has been bangin so far

[prime prawn]

is there a old mario doom mod?

where you shoot koopas with a nes blaster?

[agile surge]

if Revenant shoot you on face does that count as facerocket or not ?

[vast reef]

huh

could've sworn you could at point blank range

or is it some weird gzdoom thing

[wide shale]

buckethead is a guy who makes instrumental music in early 90s who wears a bucket and a mask inspired from him watching halloween one day while eating kfc

he has over 200 albums of instrumental guitar music

and is known as one of the best guitarist of all time

his early years he got looked upon as a mindless shreder but now he gets viewed as more then just that

[azure nimbus]

no face rocket is for the explosive rockets. Usually your own when you blow yourself up, but sometimes from a cyberdemon. rev rockets can "only" be in the face since they are only a projectile without an explosion so calling them face rockets is redundant

[azure nimbus]

I interpreted what you wrote as "you can kill them from full before they do their attack." You can definitely hit them once, sometimes twice if they're slow to attack, before they finish their attack and get into cover. But if you have a full 700 health archvile, in a small space without cover and you have an ssg: you press the trigger as soon as he begins his attack, he will kill you (or at least get an attack in) before you hit him all 4 times to get a kill.

[vast reef]

thanks

always love your detailed explanations

[azure nimbus]

in a desperado, you have about a 50 % chance to stun a vile with a full ssg which is a good shot if you straight up can't get into cover

[vast reef]

ah i guess i got lucky once then

[azure nimbus]

curious, are you remembering a time where you got a few stuns in a row or a time where you killed a weak vile in one hit?

[vast reef]

few stuns in a row

[azure nimbus]

Can calculate the probability of a pain state by ssg as 1-p(not stunned) = 1- p(one pellet does not stun)^20 = 1- (1-pain chance)^20. In the case of the archvile, it's a 3 % pain chance so 1-(1-0.03)^20 = 46 %

[dapper flint]

I've done it 3 times so far @limber mirage being one of the people to see a clip

[limber mirage]

Yeah gougaru is pretty good ( and lucky) at classic

[tired dawn]

Guys, is there a mod with a similar gameplay to doom eternal?

[spice radish]

Embers of Armageddon Eternal

[tired dawn]

Ok I'll check it out

[halcyon willow]

John suitepee does 3 times per stream it seems like lol. His archvile stun chance ability has earned his SSG the name "The Suitepee Stunner". Long standing joke (but seriously his luck is insane with archie stuns)

[dapper flint]

Hahahahahah I love that! It really is one of thee most satisfying feelings

[halcyon willow]

Someone even made an emote in honour

[dapper flint]

Dude! That's definitely me !

[finite crag]

What is Brutal Doom?

[high path]

Brutal DOOM is an upgrade of the classic Doom featuring inhanced gore, weapons, support marines, (more demons, I tink?), and most important: cussing out your demonic foes!

there's a ,uch more violent upgrade to that tho called "project brutality" which adds like 4 different versions of each demon, and grows your arsenal from the usual 6/7 to a whopping 15+

[orchid prairie]

I love not remembering what the G key does and having doomguy yell swears in the middle of class

[high path]

FUCK YOURSELVES!

[dapper flint]

Definitely not an upgrade. It uses doom assets but plays as a completely different game. Slower pace with lots of door fighting

[finite crag]

PC mod?

[high path]

yeah

[orchid prairie]

it feels like playing the classic stages in doom 2016 kinda

[high path]

easy to instal

[dapper flint]

You'll need the gz sourceport I believe

[orchid prairie]

and god blessed us with the gift of zdoom

[finite crag]

I keep seeing vids on YouTube about project brutality

[orchid prairie]

If I'm not mistaken project brutality is the one that's still getting updates right?

[dapper flint]

Yeah it's pretty popular with the younger doom players

[finite crag]

I’m feeling cool just for finishing the original game haha

[high path]

congrats

[narrow condor]

I find that Brutal Doom's gimmick gets old after five minutes and sucks the fun out of perfectly good wads.

[high path]

I haven't touched the classics lol

I just watch youtube vids

[finite crag]

I’m a console guy so I’m not very familiar with mods.

[orchid prairie]

you are cool

[finite crag]

Walking around with major swag

[fresh kayak]

E

[finite crag]

F

[vast reef]

^

[vast reef]

true honestly

usually the easiest way to win is to just camp

[formal kestrel]

What we talking bout?

[vast reef]

brutal doom

[formal kestrel]

Ah, my favourite DOOM mod

[vast reef]

though it's not an ongoing discussion, i'm just replying to some messages from earlier today

[vast reef]

hard to pick a favorite but if i had to pick the mod i spent the most time with, it's probably zmovement because screwing around in big wads with quake and dusk movement was insanely fun

also a big fan of monster randomizer mods that add an insane amount of monsters without complex doom's OP monster frequency

[azure nimbus]

I think I'd be more accepting of brutal doom if it was meant for use with some levels. Instead, it seems like most people will just play it as a gameplay mod on top of levels not designed for it

[vast reef]

there are levels made for brutal doom, but not the other way around

[narrow condor]

My thoughts exactly.

[vast reef]

referring to e-day

because some wads end up piss-easy with brutal doom while others are incredibly hard

was definitely not designed for use with maps that weren't made for it

[narrow condor]

Are there maps designed for it at all?

[formal kestrel]

Actually my favourite mod is DOOT

[vast reef]

yes

[vast reef]

short for extermination day

[narrow condor]

That's a surprise — I thought people haphazardly slapped it on any wad.

[vast reef]

most of the time people do that

which i really don't like

[narrow condor]

rip

[vast reef]

with all the horrible "HD" effects too

high resolution and high definition are two different things

[narrow condor]

Yeah...

[vast reef]

most of the time people only play BD because it feels cooler with the visual pizzazz, hd sounds, and smoother animation

honestly i'd just play smooth doom or EVP for that purpose

[wide shale]

camping in brutal doom why would you do that

if anything brutal doom ramps the game up x atleast 4 to 5 if you suck at regular doom doom difficulties i feel bad for you son

but its a good mod in its own

also the fact that its inspired enough to create the godsend brutal wolfenstein 3d

brutal wolf 3d is

[tired dawn]

FUCK doom eternal

all my homies play embers of armagedon eternal

[wide shale]

i feel doom eternal is big boring

[tired dawn]

that's like saying ultrakill is a slow game

[wide shale]

it is doe

im gonna play ultra kill for five seconds now

[tired dawn]

prank gabriel 2 NOW

[dapper flint]

Brutal should definitely just have it's own area in this server. Not remotely close to classic doom or new doom for that matter. It is funny that it's blood and over the top nature tricks new players into thinking it's something it's not though. Always thought that was neat. Anyways if you like it it's all good

[vast reef]

in combat? not at all

though if you're like me and don't have very good navigational skills, finding your way through the levels can be pretty slow

[vast reef]

no???

excuse me what

it's completely dependent on the map you're playing

some randomly generated obsidian maps were insanely hard with brutal doom because it spawned you in right next to a horde of imps who'd pounce on you whilst most of doom 2's earlier maps are considerably easier in brutal doom

[limber mirage]

We don’t want to advertise a bad mod made by a bad person

It won’t get its own spot.

[spice radish]

What the guy do?

nvm found a Reddit post about it

So he didn't give other people who helped in Brutal Doom's development credit?

that's shitty

[limber mirage]

Lol that isn’t even the tip of the iceberg

[spice radish]

oh shit. I'm gonna look into that I'm curious

I somewhat enjoy Brutal Doom but it's edgy for no reason like why can I flip off demons? It's just unnecessary.

[royal heron]

are we talking about BD here?

[royal heron]

I agree honestly

[spice radish]

yeah

[royal heron]

it doesn't feel like a Doomguy thing

[spice radish]

Some of the additions the mod adds are cool. I like some of the weapons and the new monster animations are nice. That's about it though.

[royal heron]

and the demon would be too busy trying to kill you instead of roaring in anger

[spice radish]

exactly. The new design for the Icon of Sin is cool though I like it a lot

[royal heron]

the only BD difficulty I really like is one of the more difficult ones where enemy damage is multiplied about 10 or 20x

otherwise the weapons are just too strong

iirc just 2 shots from the regular shotgun will kill a cacodemon

[spice radish]

The weapons where upgraded but the demons weren't

[royal heron]

mhm

[grim gazelle]

i have a question: how do you trigger the platform to raise in the speedrun route of E2M2

ive been trying to get into E2 speedrunning

[grim gazelle]

anyone know?

nvm i got it

you just have to press the button through the wall

[rapid pulsar]

i just found a new way to speedrun classic doom

use GZDoom, have god mode,

rocket jumping

and mouselook

how fast you can simply get to the end of the level with rocket jumping

[rapid pulsar]

cacodemons would be nuisances
they can block you in the air

[dapper flint]

Those things you mentioned are against official speed running rules

[narrow condor]

I found a better way. It involves noclipping.

[pearl osprey]

I found an even better way: IDCLEV n+1

[wide shale]

i found a even better way (sneaks save file at last level)

[azure nimbus]

do you remember when someone posted a map30 speedrun where they used vertical rocket jumps and freelook to kill the boss real fast

[wide shale]

that sounds like cheating in classic terms lol

free look is casual fun

[azure nimbus]

it was p funni

[dapper flint]

Yeah hahahaahahah

[slim willow]

Legitimate strats duh

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/951569115074670676/1042576055187292170/speed.mp4

heres my e1m1 8 second speedrun. took a LONG time please be kind its my first one 🥺

[dapper flint]

Fucking legend!

[pearl osprey]

Good job!

[slim willow]

please ignore the "no clipping mode on" text my game is bugged

[wide shale]

amazing run

https://tenor.com/view/cow-earthworm-jim-well-done-gif-15706297

[grim gazelle]

Lmao why is it still good

Also what mod strategy did u use to jump and stuff

[vast reef]

yes that's the main problem

brutal doom is pretty fun on the higher difficulties

[vast reef]

LMAOOO

[dapper flint]

Yes @slim willow please share your strategy

[slim willow]

I did not use GZDoom to enable jumping and i did NOT type idclip.

[wide shale]

i mean doom on the higher difficulties is pretty fun in general and if you are playin any lower its just to easy and almost boring

[vast reef]

it completely depends on the wad, but for iwads yes

[vale gyro]

Also depends on the person

[vast reef]

tbh my little sister can handle most of doom 1 on the easy difficulties

[slim willow]

this is true

especially with ITYTD's damn near infinite ammo supply

[vast reef]

she only gets some trouble at episode 3

[slim willow]

tbh episode 3 only becomes piss easy when you learn the layouts

like ive seen people get stuck on e3m2 for a little while

it takes like 15 seconds unless youre UV maxing it

[vast reef]

yep

i just realized i haven't beaten e4 because i forgot to

[slim willow]

I think E3 is the easiest episode to be real.

Like for me. E1 is heavy on the hitscan, and 2 has tighter rooms.

[slim willow]

do it!

[vast reef]

tomorrow once i finish studying

[slim willow]

its really super easy aside from e4m2 and e4m6

[vast reef]

yep i beat e4m1

[slim willow]

E4M6 is my fav Doom 1 map though.

[limpid zinc]

E4M1 is a terrible introduction to an otherwise good episode

[grim gazelle]

Which map do y’all think is harder, plutonia or evilution

[narrow condor]

Plutonia, objectively.

[dapper flint]

Tnt is a good time

[grim gazelle]

I think plutonia is harder

[dapper flint]

It's definitely hard for new players

[slim willow]

TNT is harder because you have to get through Habitat.

[grim gazelle]

Lol well if we talked about hardest levels it would be tnt but plutonia is harder overall I feel

[azure nimbus]

what hardest level are you thinking of from tnt?

[halcyon willow]

Yeah nothing in tnt comes close to plutonia

There are plutonia maps that were rejected by the tnt team for being too hard

[slim willow]

where can i find them?

[halcyon willow]

In Plutonia

Dario didn't mention which ones they were but he told me several of the maps he made for tnt were deemed too mean so they got put in plutonia

Where he and Milo essentially tried to make the hardest maps they could in order to bully each other

Which is a dev attitude I can 100% get behind lol

Milo made go2it so I guess he won

Dario made hunted tho

[slim willow]

I have a bad habit speed reading. Missed the "tnt" part in "tnt team" and assumed we had lost Plutonia maps.

[halcyon willow]

Lol

[slim willow]

Yeah. He won.

[halcyon willow]

I do the same

The first time I saw go2it I actually thought no person could beat it

[slim willow]

Same. It's my warmup map now.

Isn't too tough but sets the mood, you know?

[halcyon willow]

It's a great map

Actually the only doom map I've done a uvmax of

[finite crag]

Why were they called final doom?

[halcyon willow]

Last in the doom 2 series of official wads

But mostly because it sounds cool

The Final Doom

[vale gyro]

welp, I opened doom with vim instead of just using the exe

welp, time to find the sledge hammer

[finite crag]

I didn’t know there were prior ones

Well, Master Levels I guess

[azure nimbus]

ultimate doom, final doom, eternal doom, maximum doom would all imply that they're the last doom if we take the prefix to mean what it usually does

[halcyon willow]

Not all of those are iwads ;p

[finite crag]

Definitely For Real This Time Last Doom

[halcyon willow]

Eternal doom had 4 episodes too

4th one never got finished tho

Which is a shame because it was impressive

[finite crag]

I’m a ways away from getting to final doom. Still need to play Doom 2.

[finite crag]

I just finished TNT Evilution and that was way better than I heard it would be

Lots of people really don’t like it but I actually had a ton of fun with it

There’s a few yawners but usually they’re fast

So overall I really liked it

Time for Plutonia

And I am horrified

Do it dude

Oh I’m going to

It’s such a popular doom game I need to check it out

And people seem to give it lots of praise

[dapper flint]

Don't let plutonia scare ya. You'll be fine

[finite crag]

True, I’ve already gotten this far

Does storyline seem important at all in these older games?

I’ve never paid attention to them

When I played through Thy Flesh Consumed, I was like what are we even doing?

[narrow condor]

Doom has a vague and loose plot that exists solely for the sake of having any plot at all. Tom Hall didn't like that but it is what it is.

Each expansion had even more vague and looser plots involving goofy things like "a spaceship from HELL". (It helps that pretty much no one read them.)

[finite crag]

Yeah, all the final doom stuff, Sigil, etc. it’s hard to make it all make sense.

[ornate vortex]

when embed fails

[slim willow]

The only plotlines that truly matter are the end of Doom 1 and the end of Doom 64 tbh.

||Daisy's death in 1 and choosing to stay in Hell at 64 are important later on.||

[vale gyro]

I knew it was going to come up when I first played doom

But it does not mean I was still sad when Daisy died

[vast reef]

i hope we get a spin-off about the cacodemons from e3m1

[grim gazelle]

Yeah plutonia is harder, nvm lol

[grim gazelle]

True

[dapper flint]

[narrow condor]

Everything about Daisy is a retcon btw

Originally it was just a quirky rabbit head on a pike as a throwaway gag to visually indicate something sinister taking over the earth.

Despite Tom's best attempts towards his vision of a Starship Trooper-esque Doom, the Johns insisted on not letting an actual plot distract the player from the gameplay.

So everything is made up of excuse plot blurbs (the kind that was commonplace in the '90s — see Duke Nukem games for example) like "satanic aliens use tech magic to invade another planet this time!", stitched together with retcons.

[grim gazelle]

So I was scrolling thru zeromasters old forum posts to see if there was anything worth noting and I came across this gem of when he accused that one guy of cheating

"You humour me greatly with your arrogance and contempt, a flood of accusations born from the poison of envy and smite of disrespect. I feel both disappointment and flattery these thoughts would originate from another player who has demonstrated one of a kind talent and has accomplished the impossible, yet is apparently immune from judgement owing to their reputation, do not think your words hold more credibility just because of who you are, being more well known and what you have accomplished in breaking world records and setting ones never previously accomplished, such as with TNT and Plutonia Nightmare. With that being said I will divulge my thoughts on the serious accusations you have set forth. I won't address the individual gameplay scenarios you've highlighted, as the foundation of your argument arises from jealously, this is clear when you contrast my success with your failure, being deluded into thinking you should have surpassed these trials yet cannot absolutely comprehend how someone else can claim victory on a consistent basis, instead I will address my playing ability.

It’s a rough translation as i didn’t feel like typing it all out

There’s more but I’m not gonna send it cuz text wall

That’s the guys response btw

For those who don’t know

Which I assume most of y’all do as most of the regulars have been here for a while

Like coffeeguy and gougaru

Also whatever happened to depr4vity

I feel like he hasn’t been active in a year

Am I stupid and it’s common knowledge

Or what lol

I need answers

Well no he still goes online

But he doesn’t seem to submit runs anymore

Why is that

[ornate vortex]

Karl Jobst went over this exact comment in one of his videos

[prime lava]

he's fine I speak to him a bit still

he plays sometimes but not really

mostly lost interest but sometimes us talking leads to him trying e1m1 again lol

He did say if he got 8.89 he would submit it which would be insanely funny to randomly submit

[lunar chasm]

IDMYMUS00 in irl is what gets you into the backrooms.

[worn gyro]

Hello classic doomers

If you are new here are some cheat codes

IDDQD- god mode
IDKFA- very happy ammo
IDCLIP- noclip
IDFA- ammo no keys
IDCLEV##- choose level ( the 2 # are the level numbers btw)

[lunar chasm]

All of us should know that. IDSPISPOPD is another one (IDCLIP)

[worn gyro]

Yeah

[grim gazelle]

Oh he did? What video?

[grim gazelle]

And confusedhuman

[grim gazelle]

I’m going to a very predictable move now

https://youtu.be/O_PZCgY74z0

[dapper flint]

No clip.. my favorite way of finding secrets

[grim gazelle]

True

[ornate vortex]

https://youtu.be/Jv0ZRTlIXR0

towards the end of the video

[grim gazelle]

Ohh yeah that one

I was just scrolling through shit lol

Someone should try making a demo where if you have a version with a slight variation, the demo will be normal, if anyone gets what I’m saying lol

[lapis stag]

Mine is to mashing into walls an spam the interaction button

[dapper flint]

Superior

[lapis stag]

Lol

[grim gazelle]

I was reaching out to him on how he got 8 seconds on switch hangar, I was under the impression that sr50 was needed for a sub 9 and the switch port has a designated run button, which I didn’t think was the same speed as sr50

Btw did u ever get that sub 5 in DII M1? @prime lava

[azure nimbus]

the other console ports, and unity(which I believe is the same general port as switch) automate sr50. Basically, this means that your strafe speed is always 50 regardless of strafe being on. as opposed to 40 usual with run on

[grim gazelle]

Yessss

Wait but wouldn’t that make that one platform in level 4 or so skippable?

[azure nimbus]

you don't run faster than you could otherwise. it just takes fewer inputs.

And yes, at the end of map04: The Focus, with precise movement, you can dance across the bridge and skip the annoying teleporter sequence

[grim gazelle]

Oh okay

That’s why I’ve managed to magically get close to doing sr50 only strays

Better practice more lol

[prime lava]

yeah I did

[prime lava]

you do need sr50 for 8, idk what speed switch controllers can reach

[azure nimbus]

talking about e1m1, what's the point of that elevated secret with the armor bonuses?

is it just supposed to be cool to ascend?

on lower difficulties the nearby secret is the only way to find a shotgun so that makes sense

[dapper flint]

It's for killing that pain elemental

[slim willow]

PSX Doom fans will understand

[unreal pike]

anyone know this? dustinbrett.com

[grim gazelle]

My favorate gun is the bfg SSG

Ok fine it’s the bfg

It takes all the fun of the rocket launcher without the blowing yourself up lol

[grim gazelle]

So you can shoot down on people during death match hehe

My other favorites are the ssg, plasma gun, rocket launchers cool too i guíes

[ornate vortex]

I like the plasma, however the sound effect does hurt your ears after a while

[grim gazelle]

Yes

[ornate vortex]

Im gonna start speedrunning nuts3 and this time I don’t plan on using “World record” in the title for clicks (I usually do that)

The whole world record thing would be confusing for nuts3, because on the dsda, it says j4rio, but from what ive seen online, it would actually be decino, since he got a faster time (however decino doesn’t exactly record demos)

[azure nimbus]

if you're faster than him than you're faster

[craggy bone]

The plasma gun sound is one of the few things I'd change about Doom. Absolutely horrible

That and make the pistol a bit less unpleasant to use/tighten up the RNG range on revenant missile damage

[azure nimbus]

there's no rng. it's always 80

[slim willow]

PSX/64's sound is pretty nice.

[gusty falcon]

https://youtu.be/LBRF9fKUCPM

[gusty falcon]

I've seen them on mobile before but this is on steam

[slim willow]

Wow my favorite game! Zoom!

[vast viper]

https://youtu.be/fQCSQ53P26k sup, guys. I just uploaded my metal cover of E1M1

[vast reef]

i'm on the direct opposite end of the spectrum

i find the plasma rifle firing sound so good that i listen to it to calm myself down when i'm stressed

[dapper flint]

I actually like the plasma sound

[gleaming vortex]

just made a new gun for zdoom
https://youtu.be/Olgt5OqQ5tI

[fast loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfDFhIE8Txs

i found this cool doom mod video showing cool new smooth gun animations

[balmy hinge]

man i just died like 200 times to an archville bc i made a wrong save

[azure nimbus]

every map beatable pistol start ofc

[nimble oar]

why the platinum in ps4 is so hard?