classic-doom

[azure nimbus]

not yours lol.

[somber crystal]

ever heard of a joke

[lavish osprey]

lmao

[somber crystal]

anyway i still need help with multiplayer

[lavish osprey]

i will investigate it

[vale gyro]

Bad internet?

Because everything uses IP addressees

[lavish osprey]

i am a GZDOOM user and i dont have a COOP problem

[vale gyro]

Websites to game servers

So if it does not work

I blame bad internet

[somber crystal]

nope my friend cant join for some reason through ip

hamachi has some sort of tunnel problem

and idk if its due to hamachi or something else

[somber crystal]

so uh can anyone else help

[lavish osprey]

I know the Zandronum version of the COOP gameplay. Sorry

[cursive salmon]

Hi everybody i'm organizing a doom map jam, if you're interested it... 😄 !!
https://static.doomworld.com/monthly_2022_09/ItchHeaderPrizes.jpg.46f1002835f199d93e5428abda243d92.jpg
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/131380-map-jam-with-prize-hakros-pattern-editor/

[crimson aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/doom2-doom-archvile-gif-23324214

[vale gyro]

could be the wrong IP

[narrow condor]

I'm playing 3x3 and it's surprisingly fun.

[jade solstice]

imded

The second half of arrival really is kicking my butt

If it wasn’t for the bopping soundtrack I’d be dead inside too

[jade solstice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/420726273514668033/1020891417675038720/IMG_9351.png

YEP- yep, yep ….
I always have a habit of saving the mega sphere until I get to the end of the level, for instances like this

[dapper flint]

I mean saving it for 2 cybers and 2 archies isn't always a bad idea

Full cells though so

[solar egret]

doom 1 music on 2x sounds kinda funky

anyone tried it?

[candid thistle]

hey am i allowed to post wads here?

i have a neat map i made

nvm found the mod category

[lavish osprey]

yea

[finite crag]

https://tenor.com/view/re-zero-gif-18611108

[hexed escarp]

how do i beat the cyberdemon in e4m6

it actually feels physically impossible

[dapper flint]

Its pretty super easy. Just use the invulnerability and bfg

[hexed escarp]

invulnerability?

[dapper flint]

Yeah

[hexed escarp]

where is that

[dapper flint]

Drop down into the lava take the center lift up go left into a cove with a teleporter

[hexed escarp]

which side of the center lift do i go on

also thats insanely dumb that you are basically forced to find a secret if you want even a semblance of a chance at beating the level

thats bad level design

[dapper flint]

Well you don't really need it if you know the cyber dodge rush move or just shoot it around the corner

With the rocket pick ups

[hexed escarp]

what side of the lift do i go up

[dapper flint]

I mentioned that already. Left

[hexed escarp]

ok

but left relative to what

[dapper flint]

If you're the cyber the left side of the cyber

[hexed escarp]

ok

thank you

[dapper flint]

No worries

[hexed escarp]

how do i lower the bars in front of it

i have the red key, but interacting doesnt do anything

HOLY CRAP i killed him the second the invulnerability ran out

[dapper flint]

Hell yeah

[hexed escarp]

because the first time i went up there i blasted him once with the bfg but then got thrown off the platform by rocket knockback

im excited to play sigil after this

technically, i already played the first 2.5 maps but then i stopped bc i realized i should finish thy flesh consumed before i get into the meat of it

but i LOVE the aesthetic

[dapper flint]

It really is a gem. Holds a special place with me

[finite crag]

e

[spice radish]

Hi I have a issue regarding map making, I'm using Ultimate Doom Builder and just now I'm getting a message saying gzdoom.pk3 is missing from the game configuration. I have the most recently updated version of GZDoom and this message has never appeared before. If anyone knows how to fix this issue would be very helpful. The maps still playable though so it doesn't impact me at all it's just annoying really.

[pearl osprey]

gzdoom.pk3 is a file that has some assets for gzdoom

It is usually in the same folder as GZDoom

Check it it exists there

[spice radish]

I just checked, apparently I haven't updated GZDoom yet, the files there. I'll update it later and see if that fixes the issue

[hexed escarp]

yay i beat thy flesh consumed

why does e4m8 gear you up so hard

[trail ibex]

Is there a way to change difficulty mid run? I think it’s too easy

[halcyon willow]

you need to add gzdoom.pk3 to your resource list, but make sure you tick "exclude resource from testing"

[spice radish]

Ah ok, uh sorry if this is a dumb question I’m fairly new to mapping but where is the resource list?

[halcyon willow]

if you press F2 it'll show up

same place you add doom2 was a resource

[spice radish]

Thank you so much I will definitely try this out when I have the chance!

[halcyon willow]

👍

[azure nimbus]

no but each map is beatable pistol start so even having to just warp there, you'll be ok

[finite crag]

How waulktrough E3M3?

[dapper flint]

Youtube

[elder coyote]

in D1 the weapon bobs wildly up and down when moving. did i accidentally turn on some setting?

[dapper flint]

Probably not. What are you playing on

[elder coyote]

beautiful doom gzdoom. i removed the command line options so i can play vanilla, but now when loading a game i get a crash report

[azure nimbus]

vanilla doom has weapon sway that's more or less a lower semicircle. If you want a closer to vanilla experience, consider DSDA doom or WOOF

[dapper flint]

^ don't listen to this guy he's just a woof salesman

[elder coyote]

no it isnt weapon sway

[finite crag]

try movebob 0 in console

[elder coyote]

that wasn't it. this is some weird bug. i may have to reset the settings but i dont know how

wait, isn't vulcan a renderer? i was trying it for a sprite mod, but i haven't used the command line since

[spice radish]

Crispy, Chocolate, and PRBoom exist as well

And of course if your a masochist there’s DOSBox

[elder coyote]

I've been using gzdoom for years never had a problem until now. If you're curious, it was this mod that I tried. https://www.moddb.com/games/doom/addons/marcelus-hd-sprites-ver-1-0

nope, disabling vulkan didn't make a difference

[spice radish]

Maybe your not on the most recent version of GZDoom?

Wait that shouldn’t change anything nvm

[vernal jacinth]

What’s popping, I may not be that old but finally completing Doom 1993 is very special to me. Ik absolutely no one cares but figure I let the cat out of the bag

[spice radish]

Congrats! You plan on tackling mods or any other Doom games?

If you want more Doom 1993 stuff give Thy Flesh Consumed or SIGIL a go there brutal but fun enough

[vernal jacinth]

Yeah the rest of the Series when I get more money

[vernal jacinth]

I did Thy Flesh Consumed it brought me pain

[dusky cypress]

Is there a way to get the Linux version of PrBoom-plus running on the Steam Deck? I know GZDoom is already available, but I just don't like the changes that were made from the original.

[spice radish]

Then try SIGIL. Visually it’s pretty nice for a vanilla Doom WAD. It’s pretty fun too.

[vernal jacinth]

Oop I didn’t mean to delete it I wanted to edit it

[spice radish]

I thought Steam Deck used Windows? Or can you choose?

[spice radish]

It’s fine

[pearl osprey]

Pretty sure you can compile it

You don't need root privileges to compile and run applications

Although actually you probably cant get the required libraries now that I think about it

[pearl osprey]

It uses steamOS a modified version of arch linux

[limber mirage]

If there is a Linux version of prboom+ it would be as simple as downloading and running it

[pearl osprey]

Unless it is available on flatpak or as an appimage I dont think so tbh

[limber mirage]

May not be in the discover store so you’ll have to go into the website

[pearl osprey]

They don't package standalone binaries for linux, they have only source code sadly

Prboom+ and dsda-doom is available already in arch linux repo but steamOS doesn't let you use that :/

[dusky cypress]

I'm just gonna try compiling it in Debian WSL, copying the files manually and then running it through ZDL. Not sure how it'll do because of the dependencies, but it's worth a shot

[pearl osprey]

Your best bet is to either
Option 1 - contact the developers asking for a flathub version and hope they can so it.
Option 2 - Allow the use of arch linux packages and pacman package manager (do at your own risk)

[pearl osprey]

There is a chance that could work, good luck

[dapper flint]

Well done

[slow shore]

@vernal jacinth hell yeah man. The first time is definitely special. You should absolutely play Sigil btw

[vernal jacinth]

That’s the plan

[vernal jacinth]

Thanks

[finite crag]

Today is the day where I try and actually beat doom 2

I usually stopped at underhalls

[spice radish]

You get farther then Underhalls this time?

[slim willow]

sadly, his heart stopped at underhalls as well. he will forever be known as the guy who never made it past underhalls

[finite crag]

got to dead simple but felt that something wasnt right, so i went back to playing underhalls

[dapper flint]

Dead simple on nightmare can have that effect

[vocal summit]

the what?

[finite crag]

I’m gonna try and make underhalls with clay

[spice radish]

bro really likes Underhalls huh?

[finite crag]

it alright

[elder coyote]

Fixed the weapon bob bug. It may have been an older version of Beautiful Doom, even though I didn't load the mod anymore. Upgrading fixed it.

But now I got a new problem. GZDOOM won't load HD textures. whether by command line, or adding the path in Global.Autoload. Even after starting over with a new INI file

[vocal summit]

what hd texture pack are you using

[elder coyote]

jdtp. worked for years. although, i did just install a newer version of gzdoom. maybe that's why?

[vocal summit]

the reason it doesn't work is in the name

it's for jdoom

jdoom texture packs have been obsolete for years

[elder coyote]

its my favorite though. then again, it's been years since i looked at new texture packs. so i can either download older gzdoom, or find a new pack

any suggestions?

[vocal summit]

DHTP

specifically alterations

if i can post mega links i can just link you the mod

i can't, i'll just dm it to you

[elder coyote]

ok

[jade solstice]

Just started anomaly report on UV+, only done 5 levels so far but it’s nice

Hoping it doesn’t have a massive spike in difficulty lol
Arrival was great but got intense the second half - had to lower my difficulty

[vocal summit]

imagine playing on uv

fun mode disabled

[jade solstice]

I try to play it once in a while

I normally play on the first or second difficulty, casually- I don’t mind. Just like seeing the cool level designs

I’m not good at doom classic, I accept this lol

[vital pond]

HDDoom am i right

[azure nimbus]

uv+ is coop_spawns and -fast. it is much harder, borderline impossible for a lot of maps, compared to itytd and hntr

[jade solstice]

Ye - I know the pinkies and projectiles and so forth are silly

It’s fun to play sometimes
I just don’t like to play it when it’s absurd levels lol
So generally I don’t

To clarify too- I use lots of saves. I don’t do “start to finish” and “pistol start” every level, I’m a casual nub

[hexed escarp]

holy shit jimmy's sigil score is so fucking good

every song is amazing

i hope he does the score for sigil 2

[dapper flint]

He really nailed it. Still use it over bucket head

[hexed escarp]

if i buy romero's map now, will the funds still go to a good use?

or is that fundraiser not really happening anymore

[finite crag]

Opinions on underhalls?

[hexed escarp]

yeah tbh i dont really like the buckethead one at all

it does not fit doom

jimmy's is just amazing at creating this hopeless atmosphere

[narrow condor]

Here's a mean secret I came across in a map: In order to obtain a BFG, you need to shoot two sigil eyes. One raises the wall it's behind and the other raises the platform to room level.

If you shoot the first one and go 'ooh BFG' and jump into the pit without shooting the other one, you're softlocked and need to load a savegame.

[winged frigate]

how to avoid loosing large amounts of ammo in doom 2 map 9

[azure nimbus]

hug pain elementals to prevent them from attacking or just don't get the bfg until after they're all gone. the bfg room has tons of lost souls that prevent PEs from attacking a la the 21 lost soul limit

[winged frigate]

is this trick ? about hugging elementals ?

[azure nimbus]

if a pain ele tries to spawn a lost soul, but the lost soul would be in a wall or thing(like a player), the lost soul will die. So if you're right up against a PE, it'll be haemless

[winged frigate]

okay

[winged frigate]

could the elemental bite me or tear me ?

[finite crag]

no because it doesnt have a biting attack

just lost souls

[azure nimbus]

just don't try this in doom 64

[winged frigate]

Mmmmmm

[patent robin]

Never knew pain elementals had biting attacks, I usually just wanted them dead as soon as possible

Good to know

[finite crag]

they don't?

[dapper flint]

Doom 64 double the mouth

[azure nimbus]

it's a bad idea to do in d64 not because they bite, but because lost souls spawned into a wall or thing(like a player) explode like a rocket

I'm not sure if it damages the pe when that happens. I'll have to check

[royal heron]

they don't have a biting attack

D64 probably an exception, I don't know because I haven't played it

just read the convo, it's more about exploding lost souls that it is about biting

[azure nimbus]

even cacos only kinda bite. monsters with dedicated melee attacks will do so consistently. but cacos only bite if they go for a projectile attack and you happen to be close

[dapper flint]

You're just more at risk to be attacked by souls on steroids

[forest zodiac]

at least Lost Souls have less health in 64

[dapper flint]

I find it alot easier to punch things out in 64 most monsters melee attacks seem slow and inconsistent

[dapper flint]

True

[forest zodiac]

64 runs at a ticrate of 30 instead of 35 like classic Doom

[azure nimbus]

yeah d64 pains are crazy. pains have two mouths and lost souls are nearly -fast named. yeah hitboxes are mostly better. chainsaw is easy on mancs and arachnos in that game

[forest zodiac]

I think PS1 Doom runs at a slower ticrate too
must've been either system limitations or a way of making it easier for the player

[dapper flint]

Ran into a 64 archvile yesterday. It's pretty brutal at first because I'm so used to the arch attack in classic and I'd keep peaking at the wrong time and get blasted. The zap lasts a tiny but longer

[forest zodiac]

I think CE has an option for the PC ticrate but I've never tried it

[dapper flint]

Really? I'll check

[azure nimbus]

play pc doom on the n64 controller

[dapper flint]

I have 64 for 64 on a 1 ton wood TV it's fantastic lol

[azure nimbus]

I play boom on a laptop 😎

[hexed escarp]

Is sigil 2 still a thing that is going to exist? Or is he not making it anymore

[dapper flint]

It's being made right now. One humanity is a map from sigil 2

[hexed escarp]

Cool

If I buy that map, will the funds still go to good use?

Or is the fundraiser not happening or helpful anymore

[dapper flint]

Let me find out

[dapper flint]

All profits are still going towards Ukraine

[hexed escarp]

Cool

[gritty valve]

I FUCKING LOVE THE ARCH-VILE IN DOOM 2 I LOVE HOW HE RESURRECT THE OTHER DEMONS THAT I JUST KILLED AND WASTED AMMO ON I ALSO LOVE HOW HE CAN KILL ME BY PRACTICALLY LOOKING AT ME

[pearl osprey]

This but unironically

Legit resurrecting enemies is a brilliant game mechanic

[narrow condor]

It adds a lot of pressure and a sense of urgency to fights.

[limber mirage]

He takes a bit more brain to kill and quick thinking

Oh shit find cover and focus

[narrow condor]

'Should I lure him this way where there's a lot of cover or rather this way where there are no hell knight corpses but barely any cover?'

[limber mirage]

Every other monster usually revolves around strafing, cant really do that with line of sight. And you cant rely on rockets either

Already had zombies come to life in front of me as i fired

[narrow condor]

The infighting asymmetry also adds a lot of spice.

[azure nimbus]

least they don'tfully spawn monsters

[hexed escarp]

holy shit thanks for the suggestion this is freaking awesome

[slow shore]

Zdaemon just changed my life. I've been trying and failing to use any of the classic doom multiplayer services. Just got zdaemon to work and spent about 45 minutes deathmatching in doom 2 for the first time ever. I'm ecstatic r n. Also massive props to the USDQC for Wednesday night deathmatch. This might be a weekly thing for me

[civic seal]

Ya looks fucking sick

[finite crag]

I'm glad zdaemon still hosts events

it's unfortunate that multiplayer doom has degraded over the years but that stuff always happens

[hexed escarp]

Imagine if the unity port had official multiplayer servers

That would be awesome

[slow shore]

It really would. Kind of annoying that Quake1 and Quake Live have built in deathmatch that's super active and they just won't bring it to classic DOOM

[vast reef]

now now

i wouldn't call it super active

[dapper flint]

I don't think unity has the numbers to warrent something like that

[azure nimbus]

is online dm for quake1 on steam playable? I tried and it was way too laggy

[dapper flint]

I've only tried co op and it worked fine

[vocal jetty]

zdaemon doesn’t really have many dm servers so it would be cool if the unity port had multiplayer support

I just love playing doom dm

[slow shore]

@vast reef I mean there's always multiple lobbies open with 8 or more people fragging each other in both games. Definitely active enough

@azure nimbus I had no lag and I'm on a cheap laptop

[finite crag]

that's absolutely false

ah wait nvm you're talking about quake

[halcyon willow]

We usually get 15 or so people playing doom deathmatch every weekend

And we hit ... 50? For the hordamex release party

[finite crag]

Question, what is the USDQC and how can I join the Wednesday night deathmatches

[dapper flint]

Which achievement?

[dapper flint]

I don't remember that being an achievement in unity. Interesting

[slow shore]

@finite crag DMed you

[finite crag]

Thanks

[slow shore]

👍

[tight needle]

I play on mobile or ps4

A doom 1 and 2

God

[vernal thunder]

Doom 2 UV is complete

Next up tnt

[finite crag]

gl with tnt, obnoxious wad

[vast reef]

that's true

but i never find lobbies in locations near me so i always have 200+ ping

although it's not always multiple lobbies, sometimes just one

[dapper flint]

Noice

[craggy bone]

Anomaly Report is a banger ngl

[narrow gorge]

Who decided it was a good idea to put the archvile maze in final doom 💀

I want to personally rip and tear the guy who made that level

[spice radish]

Funniest part is that one of the creators of Final Doom ended up getting a job at Valve

I blame him for some of the outright cruel enemy placement in Half-Life 1

[narrow gorge]

Yes

Playing hl1 gave me serious tnt flashbacks

[spice radish]

bruh, HL1 is so much better then TNT

[narrow gorge]

Ye

[spice radish]

Except On A Rail

On A Rail is just bad

[narrow gorge]

Oh God 💀💀💀

Then there was hunt down the Freeman 💀💀💀

[spice radish]

pretty sure it’s creator got a job at Activision, go figure huh

[narrow gorge]

Now they can work on fuckin cod or something 💀

Imma go slep now

[spice radish]

I can’t wait to hear Pyrocinical in Modern Warfare 2

[spice radish]

gn

[narrow gorge]

Gn :)

[finite crag]

Ngl my favourite slayer skin is brown classic marine I got from DOOM II

[zenith berry]

“This trap here got this dude a job at Valve.” - Civvie11

“A maze with Archviles? This is an awesome piece of your portfolio, you are hired.” - Valve

[azure nimbus]

Maybe it's somewhat easy nowadays being only one monster type, maybe mazes you get lost easily, but it's definitely memorable and has good atmosphere and a unique gameplay idea

[vivid vine]

"Creators of Final Doom" One of the two creators of Plutonia yes, I don't think and doubt that anyone who was involved in TNT got hired at Valve.

Well, suppose Dario himself was, but it sure wasn't for TNT.

[azure nimbus]

Even if you're not a big TNT fan (though I do think it's stronger than the majority of shovelware back then but yeah...it drags sometimes), team TNT made BOOM which has lasted since 1996 as perhaps the most popular compatibility standard (cl9) for conservative source ports and wads after vanilla. And nearly every source port is derived from it. prboom, prboom+, dsda, eternity, mbf, mbf21 all have roots in the original boom

[vivid vine]

Which doesn't have anything to do with Valve

[azure nimbus]

Neither did plutonia in a 1-1 sense. I mean that both of these contributions to the doom canon: tnt for both some atmosphere but mostly in my opinion from their boom engine, and casali's for level design, could conceivably have sparked interest in valve's hiring team. Both groups deserve some credit I mean. Both team TNT and plutonia were instrumental to modern maps. You don't get sunlust mapdesign without plut, and sunlust's engine is literally boom. Engine making, coding; and map design are both important to valve

[dapper flint]

Going to find out if psx tnt makes it a bit more playable

[hoary falcon]

when I playing doom and doom 2 I am unable open the doors

[forest zodiac]

what button are you pressing

[hoary falcon]

in mouse ?

[slim willow]

press the space bar

[hoary falcon]

thanks

[jade solstice]

Finished anomaly report on UV+
And honestly liked the entirety of it

Now doing revolution on UV+

[dapper flint]

Uv plus is definitely a good time. Got a bit bored of fast also though since fast forces more passive play

[jade solstice]

Yeah, that’s fair. Definitely forces you to corner hop more

[azure nimbus]

corner hop?

[narrow gorge]

Guys don't run Sonic Robo Blast 2 with a Doom IWAD, worst mistake of my life

[finite crag]

Why ?

[manic sonnet]

ask john romero

[narrow condor]

Just finished 3x3. Some maps are tedious and stand out from an otherwise great pack of fast-paced maps.

Like a more condensed Scythe.

M31 in particular seemed to be inspired by Stardate 20XX series and was especially fun.

M32 has an creatively mean mechanic: There are two invulnerabilities in the map. The first is mandatory to get past a horde of revenants and some archviles blocking the exit. The second one is near the very end, so you only need it if the first one runs before you're done through the whole horde.

Once you jump into the exit hole, you trigger the ending mechanism that kills the Romero head on a timer (a common trick), except you're falling onto 20 damaging floor during that time.

There's no way to stay alive in the hole for the entire duration of the timer... without an invulnerability that is.

So if you've already used the second one, the map is unwinnable.

[dapper flint]

I'll give it a go today

[rapid pulsar]

ok so im making a doom fangame rn
UAC Metro or Bruiser's Borough?

[finite crag]

Can anyone tell me how I can play doom 2 CD rom disk on a modern PC with windows 10

[slow shore]

Buy an external disc drive?

[finite crag]

That's not the problem it just doesn't want to run the program

[vale gyro]

could be that it’s simple as running Windows 10, I don’t think it can run older programs that well

I can’t say that as a 100% cause, as I don’t run old programs on it, but it could be a reason

[pearl osprey]

Download a sourceport, copy and paste the DOOM2.WAD file to the sourceport's folder

[dapper flint]

^

[finite crag]

Thx guys

[fast thorn]

I MADE THAT LMAO

[finite crag]

HERE'S THE MAN

[fast thorn]

Thanks man

Glad you did

Maybe soon lol

[slim willow]

holy shit Dante

Doin pretty good thanks

that is good

[finite crag]

Proud new owner of Doom 1 and 2

[dapper flint]

Welcome

[finite crag]

I was gonna get 64 just to have them all, but I wasn’t sure

[dapper flint]

You should. It's amazing

[finite crag]

I did. Now I’ve got them all.

[narrow condor]

Playing Congestion 1024 now. Great, bite-sized coffee-break games.

The sole design restriction is that each map has to take place within a 1024x1024 area.

I expected 3x3 to be like this rather, but its restrictions are 1. only 3 flats per map, 2. only 3 wall textures per map, 3. only 3 monsters per map. Obviously only the latter matters for gameplay, but it can lead to very interesting combat puzzles.

Not to mention the player is certain there won't be a surprise enemy if they've already seen three different monsters in a map. Or it can cause suspense by throwing only two monster types at the player until the very end.

[tough thorn]

https://twitter.com/RetroTechDreams/status/1573800588613390336

Retro Tech Dreams (@RetroTechDreams)

Doom on diskette (1993) #doom

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[rancid snow]

My sister played doom 1 for the first time one or two days ago, we played both co-op and Deathmatch. She said " I don't like it that much but I'd play it if I was bored" but she did say Doomguy was THICK.

[pearl osprey]

Well doomguy does indeed have massive cake

[rancid snow]

Yes

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-evil-grin-gif-20903082

[dapper flint]

Not everyone can have good taste

[rancid snow]

True

[royal heron]

I heard someone say coffee

[civic seal]

Infraworld coma moonlight looks so good

I tried Shazam, no result on the soundtrack

[fallow dragon]

Super shotgun best

[jade solstice]

“Play ultra violence+” I said, “it’ll be fun” I said. Pain- anomaly report was fine on that difficulty for me but a couple of these revolution levels are messing me up now

[dapper flint]

As someone who was obsessed with plus before. It loses its appeal after a while. Breaks alot of maps

[jade solstice]

Yeah I’m starting to slowly realize that. There was one room with a slow moving elevator with like chaingun guys on all sides and I can see that it wasn’t meant to be, in any way whatsoever

Does UV+ just do co op spawns, fast pinkies and faster projectiles? Or does it also increase reaction time/fire rate of enemies compared to UV

[azure nimbus]

uv+ historically meant -coop_spawns or -solo-net. But for whatever reason, the steam/console ports mean -coop_spawns AND -fast when they say uv+. This is unplayable for lots of maps.

[jade solstice]

Loooool

That’s kinda funny, that the fast thing is exclusive to the unity

Makes me feel less bad tbh lol

[dapper flint]

To play unity uv plus you'd have to put in -solo-net and -fast in the command line. Or activate them both if you're using gz

[narrow condor]

Truth be told, mapmakers put less effort in balance and congruence when they're adding coop enemies.

Not always, obviously, but that's the general trend I've observed.

[azure nimbus]

it's hard to balance. do they design for 2,3,4 or 50 players

[narrow condor]

That's true but I mean when the difficulty difference is wildly inconsistent between coop and solo in different maps of the same mapset.

[dense stream]

good game :)

[sturdy verge]

bad ending

[opal falcon]

If it wasn't for my youngest nephew staying with us right now, I'd play the original game and beat Thy Flesh Consumed.

[sturdy verge]

yeah

[opal falcon]

Plus, my parents wouldn't be happy if they learned I play Doom.

And that's why I usually don't play it unless they're out of the house or it's night.

[sturdy verge]

my parents wouldn’t care

[opal falcon]

My parents hate it when demons appear in anything.

[sturdy verge]

well my dad would have no idea i play doom but my mom would know

because hes in jail

[opal falcon]

Dang.

[sturdy verge]

if i talk about daisy with my mom she sould be like

two respones

“thats sad” or “ooohh”

[spice radish]

Some late night modded Classic Doom sounds really good rn ngl

[sturdy verge]

yeah

i got the achievement idk but it kill every single demon

in doom 1993

[hexed escarp]

im trying to add a new enemy using mbf21 and dehextra

what do i set as the ID for the thing

[jade solstice]

Do all difficulties increase reaction time/fire rate or just the ones within-fast (I.e., UV+)

What do difficulties change in other words other than damage received I guess

(Besides ITYTD giving double ammo)

[opal falcon]

The environments are changed a bit, I know.

[jade solstice]

More enemy placement I imagine. (Custom maps dependent on user creating that of course)
But I guess I’m asking because I have only really played the first two difficulties and UV+ on classic doom

So I don’t really have a clue tbh

[opal falcon]

Since I'm still getting used to the genre (first-person shooters), I play on the second-lowest difficulty.

Because I don't know how difficult certain elements of games can be, I usually start on a difficulty like that, and slowly move up in other playthroughs.

I've found games with hard moments even in Easy difficulty.

Nothing like, "Oh God, I can't win this!"

But more, "Dang, this is difficult. I'm nearly there, though."

[jade solstice]

I’m fairly used to shooters, but I generally have been playing classic doom for casual enjoyment rather than satisfaction. Though recently I have been playing UV+ cus it’s hilarious
But I just lowered my difficulty cus I have been seeing (and have been told) that it can break maps, and it’s incredible how much lower the reaction time feels for enemies. So I was just curious on if every difficulty is different in that sense or just UV+ vs others

[opal falcon]

I'm more used to platforming games like Spyro and Crash Bandicoot.

So, I take it easy with new games in genres I've never played or am just not used to.

Like Doom.

[dapper flint]

Uv plus really just promotes passive play

[jade solstice]

But do difficulties change enemy reaction time. Or is that solely for UV+

Cus -fast

[vivid vine]

Nightmare actually adds a change on top of fast where the 8 frames needed to take a step before attacking are gone and enemies will attack immediately

[jade solstice]

WHEEZE

So instead of being a mobile turret, it’s a faster stationary turret of an enemy

That’s actually disgusting. I thought enemy respawning was toxic enough

Can’t stand chaingunners on UV+ as it is

[zenith berry]

DOOM seems to be trending in the UK after a politician played Thatcher’s Techbase

[azure nimbus]

is that an alternate iwad like freedoom or a pwad? new levels?

[craggy bone]

It's a pwad themed around Margaret Thatcher and various British political jokes

Great music and assets, but ultimately boils down to one long and quite mediocre level, sadly

[craggy bone]

Well actually, considering it was apparently the maker's first wad, it's pretty impressive

[unreal pike]

anyone know dos.zone?

[sterile spade]

Wahts dat

[spice radish]

I don’t think FPS games really clicked for me till like DOOM 2016, I think the first FPS game I ever played that I really enjoyed was Borderlands The Pre-Sequel

[finite crag]

For me it was this totally forgotten game from like 2005 called Area 51

[opal falcon]

I finally beat the original game.

Now I'm halfway through Hell on Earth.

[elder coyote]

I realize that Beautiful Doom doesn't work with Marcelus' 2x upscaled weapon sprites, but isn't there any way to override the settings a bit? BD has the "classic weapons" option, so the sprites should work, but doesn't. What about adding the weapons to BD pk3 file?

[brisk hemlock]

hey guys I'm trying to make classic doom 2 sounding music, can you guys tell me where to get the samples for the instruments? Thanks in advance!

[narrow condor]

It's Yamaha OPL2/3 FM synth, you can find VSTs for it.

[sturdy verge]

is there a way to beat map2 on hurt me plenty pacifist its just shotgunner hell

[azure nimbus]

it's possible. map02 uv was the last doom2 map to be beaten pacifist(map30 has never been done rta)

[forest zodiac]

I heard recently that HMP was id's "intended" difficulty for 1 and 2
and it kinda makes sense when you consider the devious shit in 2's maps on UV like the Mastermind in Map06

[spice radish]

It’s been done only ever once by one person not using assist t through tools

soooo yeah good luck with that

[vocal summit]

BD's classic weapons have tons of extra sprites

this applies for both BDs

[azure nimbus]

map09 is why I think hmp is the "intended" difficulty. there are so many lost souls that pains can't do anything

[dapper flint]

Definitely. Hurt me is what I think they expected the majority of players to play

[opal falcon]

Got stuck on the fifteenth level of Hell on Earth.

I can't figure out how to get the red keycard.

[azure nimbus]

you don't need it: can either skip it by using a teleporter in the lava, or it'll open by following the path from the central tower near the lava with the rocket launcher. At some point there will be a switch and a teleport. go back and forth from that tp and it'll open somehow.

[opal falcon]

Ah.

The wiki had a video, but it was a speedrun that went so quickly that I became confused.

It's crazy how big the levels became.

Hell on Earth honestly feels ahead of its time.

[azure nimbus]

people still use the engine and versions of it for modern maps like sunlust

[opal falcon]

I just beat level fifteen, and even accidentally found the Wolfenstein map, but then my power went out and I lost progress.

[azure nimbus]

can just warp back there ig. you'll lose your stuff but at least you keep the level. each map can be done pistol start anyway

finding wolf is p cool

[olive rivet]

Is that the guy from wolfenstein

[slim willow]

clearly

[olive rivet]

Halo dude 🤯

From fortnite 🤯

[tacit lantern]

💀

[zenith berry]

No I guess that’s the Metroid man

[azure nimbus]

https://youtu.be/qw-Bks41az8

[hexed escarp]

Is it considered basic to use otex in your wad

[halcyon willow]

what does that even mean lol

[azure nimbus]

yeah that's why eviternity is considered a basic bih 1994 wad

[hexed escarp]

I mean like overdone and stale

[hexed escarp]

Well that was the first one, but there have been many others since then

[azure nimbus]

even heartland uses it. There are lots of great texture packs. Ribbiks stuff, OTEX, gothicdm's, just be tactful

[pearl osprey]

The number of textures in OTEX is ridiculously high, I don't think it gets stale

You can make a map look unique

[dapper flint]

Reminds me I need to play heartland again

[fast kettle]

[tired dawn]

Cacodemon

[neon thunder]

yes

[sturdy verge]

decino did it

[azure nimbus]

no he didn't. His video was saying that Zeromaster did for map02 and some people, including ZM, did map30 tas

[fallow dragon]

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/wUfy5tkzjxY

[frank yoke]

guys where can I get all the secrets levels in classsic doom

[forest zodiac]

E1M9 is accessible from E1M3
E2M9 is accessible from E2M5
E3M9 is accessible from E3M6
E4M9 is accessible from E4M2

[frank yoke]

what and how

[azure nimbus]

doomwiki or decino's playthrough give detailed routes

[spice radish]

He’s saying what levels have the exits to the secret levels. It’s easier to just look up a map for them instead. Or if you want you can use the IDCLEV cheat to warp there

[frank yoke]

HELP I cant pass the level that you unlock minigun and rocket laucher

@spice radish

[spice radish]

What level are you on rn ?

[frank yoke]

idk

the level after toxic level I guess

that you unlock minigun and rocket laucher

orrr the level having nazi sympol

[spice radish]

Open the map and it’ll tell you what level your on

[frank yoke]

dms

[spice radish]

Sorry but I would like to stick to here exclusively. I don’t want to have except friend requests from people idk

[frank yoke]

then just dms me first then I can dms you

wait it E1M4: Command Control

[mellow gust]

may i get help with doom 2

[pearl osprey]

don't ask to ask, just ask

[mellow gust]

uhm theres no option for source port

in zdl when i have gzdoom

[pearl osprey]

You need to add it manually

[mellow gust]

how do i make a pk3 file a wad too

[pearl osprey]

from the second tab

[mellow gust]

this shit is so fucking rough

IM DRAGGING GZDOOM

TO SOURCE PORTT

[pearl osprey]

Don't drag and drop it

[mellow gust]

what do i do

[pearl osprey]

You can add it in the settings

Go to the settings tab, in the list of source ports/engines click add and then select GZDoom.exe

[mellow gust]

ok for uh pk3 files how do i make them wad

oh shit it worked

[pearl osprey]

pk3 are compressed wad files, no need to change anything about them

[mellow gust]

@pearl osprey uh my thing it starts automatically into the game

it dosnt allow me to go to the uh start menu

[winged frigate]

how do i copy my doom 2 save file to gz doom

[pearl osprey]

Don't select a map

[winged frigate]

pls i need help

[pearl osprey]

I don't think saves from different ports are compatible, unless they are very similar ports

[winged frigate]

im using steam source port

[pearl osprey]

If you have a map selected it will automatically start that map, if you don't select a map it will give you the main menu

[pearl osprey]

You can go to any map you want using the "IDCLEV" cheat code, or using the "MAP" command

But it will be a pistol start

Just checked the wiki, saves can't be transferred from one source port to another in most source ports and especially not in GZDoom

[manic sonnet]

why are you suddenly talking about saves?

[winged frigate]

oh okay

[pearl osprey]

Because someone asked me about saves?

are you dumb?

[mellow gust]

are there cheat codes for all weapons?

[pearl osprey]

Yes

[mellow gust]

uhm what would that be

[pearl osprey]

"IDFA" for all weapons and ammo

[mellow gust]

it says unknown command?

[pearl osprey]

not a command

[mellow gust]

oh

[pearl osprey]

a cheat code, you type it while in game

[mellow gust]

its like gta

[pearl osprey]

yes

if you want only one weapon you can use the "give" command

[mellow gust]

how do i clear the dead bodies

on the ground br-

[pearl osprey]

there is the remove command

remove <class>

[mellow gust]

what are the classes agian

[pearl osprey]

but I don't know what class dead bodies are sorry

maybe you can find it on the zdoom wiki

[mellow gust]

tyy

[dapper flint]

Zdl would have been a pretty simple option for you.

[mellow gust]

whats the god mode cheat again

[mellow gust]

i forgot and sorryy im neww to thsi stuff

[pearl osprey]

the cheat code is "iddqd" but you can also just use "god" command (in the console)

[dapper flint]

No need to say sorry we all start somewhere

[shut rapids]

did anyone here play doom classic complete game on the ps3?

[mellow gust]

tysm guys

[honest kindle]

heyo, any tips on how to beat plutonia?

[narrow condor]

Most of it boils down to learning each trap and fight in each map and coming up with solutions.

You'll need to try over and over until a particular solution sticks.

[hearty oak]

When it comes to Thy Flesh Consumed, i turn into the worst player. Everything else is acceptable.

They really had to show them a new challenge.

And i only replayed it to record a demo.
I've had to save and reload countless times knowing that it could break the demo but well, let's see how it turns out when I viddump it.

[azure nimbus]

you can just play back the demo to check before spending the huge amount of time to video dump

[golden slate]

i need help with this mod

[hexed escarp]

how come eviternity didnt define the episodes in umapinfo instead of zmapinfo and emenus

that way the episode list would have worked in more ports besides just eternity and gzdoom

[finite crag]

Just curious, but what mods have you guys played with?

[vale gyro]

yea

I fucking hate that entire episode

[slow shore]

Sigil is a much better episode than thy flesh consumed imho

[slim willow]

for real

[azure nimbus]

btsxe1, btsxe2, deathless, tangerine nightmare, not even remotely fair, ancient aliens, valiant, vanguard, alien vendetta, rowdy rudy's revenge, combat shock 2, sunlust, crumpets, stardate 20x6, haste, fractured worlds, speed of doom, scythe2, microslaught community project, glaive, heartland, eviternity, sigil, preacher, struggle antaresian legacy, flotsam map01 through map03 I've done single segment pistol start each map on uv or nightmare plus enter the mapwich2 and piratedoom and antaresian reliquary and jumpwad where I've played a small amount with saves.

[trail ibex]

what are some good doom 2 wads that support gzdoom mechanics like jumping and crouching

[spice radish]

Reelism is pretty cool

[spice radish]

There’s this one called the Golden Suns or something like that and it’s like Mario meets Doom

[narrow condor]

Found a very clumsily made map. You can bump a door you're supposed to open towards the end of the map to get a BFG right at the beginning. Monsters will constantly open coloured doors from inside, breaking the game's sequence.

It has all the tells of a first-time map — single health bonus, armour bonus and four shells neatly placed on shelves, lots of doors that are just walls, exit level by triggering a door texture...

[mellow gust]

how do people play multiplayer

in doom 2

[vocal summit]

depends on your source port

[pearl osprey]

Usually with a source port made specifically for multiplayer.
Zandronum
Odamex
Zdaemon

All these ports are basically ZDoom with multiplayer

but some are more advanced than others (Zandronum being the most feature-packed)

[mellow gust]

whast zndronum

[pearl osprey]

Like GZDoom but specifically made for multiplayer

let me see if I can post the link here

https://zandronum.com/

[mellow gust]

the doom modding community pushes a old ass agme

brutal doom looks like eternal in doom 2 graphics..

[narrow condor]

Doom is an old game. 🤔

[rose gorge]

a

[rapid pulsar]

they shouldve had an effect for the pinky sprites when its biting forward
where the head becomes bigger/closer so it looks less flat

[azure nimbus]

it looks goofy in voxel when it does that. More importantly, it isn't getting closer. there is no physical lunge so there shouldn't be in the sprite. fiends in quake do lunge and they show it in the graphic

[vale gyro]

Well, you can play multiplayer in chocolate doom, crispy doom, and woof

But, I say go what Vulldozer said

As those soureports only have them as kinda of a throw in feature

[dapper flint]

It's not. It's barely doom at all

It's basically It's own game with some classic assets

[royal heron]

No, not really

The artstyle is nothing alike

And it doesn't play the same

[vast reef]

BD is a doom fangame

[azure nimbus]

people will see 3d and gibbing and think it's the same

[tight needle]

Doom 64

[echo tartan]

I played Scythe 2 and the OST introduced me to some amazing music I wish I heard before

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/J9qgAG1CzzI

[wide sinew]

Just beat "Revolution!", and it was pretty freaking solid! Definitely one of the better WADs you can download in the Unity ports.

[rapid pulsar]

currently making a mod that changes the combat to be similar to quake
theres gonna be remakes of some maps, and new maps entirely
less enemies, slower combat pace, etc
im not sure how to make the thunderbolt/lightning gun, so should i try and figure out a way to do that or do a railgun instead?

[azure nimbus]

the thunderbolt is a simple hitscan weapon. The visible lightning is only visual

[rapid pulsar]

yeah im not sure how to make the visual
im using dehacked for this since im really just starting out in mod making

i could make it a super fast chaingun????

i cant use the plasma projectiles since i turned that into nails

idk how to make the visual or function

theres a "firecustomrailgun" state i could use though

but ive tried it before and its never worked idk why

if anyones an expert on dehacked or knows how to use that state dm me please

[vivid vine]

Thunderbolt pierces

[rapid pulsar]

what

[vivid vine]

The lightning is not visual and it has a range limit

The beam goes right through enemies

[rapid pulsar]

alr
but thats not really relevant i just wanna know how to replicate it using dehacked

until i find a solution imma just make it a quake 2 railgun instead

[vivid vine]

Thunderbolt can also go through walls

[rapid pulsar]

i dont think it can no

[vivid vine]

It does

It has destroyed Unholy Altars through walls

[rapid pulsar]

you know im talking about quake 1 right
just making sure

[vivid vine]

Why wouldn't I be? What other game has the thunderbolt?

Quake 1 is the only one that called it that

[rapid pulsar]

quake 3, quake champions, quake 4, and a few others

[vivid vine]

'Lightning Gun'

[rapid pulsar]

alright alright

[vivid vine]

Piercing is as simple as the +Ripper flag or whatever ZScript calls it

Making a limited range beam is not something I ever tried to do

Although thinking on it I'm not sure if it actually was piercing or if it simply kills so fast that it goes through an enemy while its dying

But it definitely has a limited range

Its like a giant angry chainsaw

[spice radish]

Anyone got any good applications for editing sprites? Preferably free if possible or a place where I can get texture sheets to dump into Photoshop?

[pearl osprey]

Paint dotnet is really good for pixel art and is free

There is also GIMP which is a lot more advanced, I heard a lot of people think it's good but I found it hard to use though imo (also it's free too)

[narrow condor]

If you're fine with paying, I strongly recommend Aseprite.

[vale gyro]

You don’t need to pay for it

You can also compile it from GitHub

[narrow condor]

Ah, that's true.

I got it off Steam for the convenience.

[vale gyro]

I would have compiled it

But I did find a pre compiled copy of an old version

Like I mean old

[narrow condor]

From when it was GPL'd?

IIRC you can't legally redistribute the executables of the versions after it became source-available.

[vocal summit]

gimp fucking sucks

(as a gimp user)

[vale gyro]

I honestly don’t know

And I don’t care

[rapid pulsar]

i cant just make a quake mod for classic doom and NOT have a dopefish reference 😎

[wraith pumice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMjJM9HAqqk&t=0s

this looks amazing

[dense stream]

Not trying to be snarky, but is Thy Flesh Consumed supposed to be this badly designed?

90% of this episode feels like a sick joke.

[finite crag]

Helo

Bois

[vocal summit]

it seems so yes

horrible chapter, not even sure why it was made

i wouldn't mind if the ultimate doom released without it

[slow shore]

At the time the community just wanted more of a challenge, which TFC provided. Now I would say Sigil is a much better 4th episode

[wraith pumice]

Sigil takes everything wrong with E4 and throws it out the window. Making maybe the best doom expansion.

[azure nimbus]

what things do you dislike about e4 that are not in sigil

[hexed escarp]

Yeah, I enjoyed e4

[dapper flint]

Sigil is pretty fantastic but e4 is also in its own right

[spice radish]

I am 100% playing this when it’s done

[narrow condor]

Idea for a secret: No powerups or weapons or anything but the ability to kill an archvile behind bars that would otherwise be released at a strategic point towards the end of the level.

[halcyon willow]

Thy Flesh Consumed still has the best Doom 1 maps (specifically e4m1 and e4m2)

[slim willow]

e4m6 is my favorite in the game

[hexed escarp]

e4m6 was crazy

It should have been the last map, e4m8 was super underwhelming

I don't even remember e4m7

[spice radish]

E4M2 makes me want to rip my hair out. Though the feeling of beating it for the first time is one of satisfaction

[halcyon willow]

Ever since I played it as a kid I've always loved it

The extreme "fuck you" vibes from Romero are just

[azure nimbus]

with the grab and the jump past the blue pillar, e4m2 ends up being easy but it feels super unintended which is cool

[spice radish]

That’s the castle one that Romero made right?

I guess it’s like everything after E4M2 is significantly easier

[azure nimbus]

e4m6 is definitely harder than e4m2

e4m2 gives you tons of cells, an easily accessible rad suit, armor, soulsphere, and a megarmor in a secret(with the bfg if you do the grab). e4m6 has ZERO armor and only a bfg at the end with only so much cell ammo until then and enough lava that rad suits need to be portioned very well and no cyber telefrag.

[hexed escarp]

Yeah I feel like from hardest to easiest it goes E4M6 E4M2 E4M1 E4M3 E4M5 E4M7 E4M8 E4M4

[dapper flint]

I'd do the same thing if people complained about easy maps

[hexed escarp]

But everything other but the top 3 are pretty close together

They are all pretty ez

[azure nimbus]

e4m5 can be difficult if you don't know the layout with all the lava? e4m4 has some issues with ammo if you don't have berserk and want 100 % kills ig

[hexed escarp]

E4M4 was super short and ez

[dapper flint]

Now ya. Back then not so much in comparison

[hexed escarp]

I found that the rest of episode 4 besides 1 2 and 6 was much easier than most of inferno

[dapper flint]

That's strange as shit but cool I guess

[hexed escarp]

Maybe im just remembering inferno as harder than it actually was since I played it at the beginning of my doom journey

[dapper flint]

That's probably it

[hexed escarp]

I mostly just remember suffering with e3m3 and e3m4

The rest were not that bad

And e3m6

But that one was really fun

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/F1rfB-Sm9po

[golden slate]

someone want play

doom

co-op

[fallow dragon]

Can you do it online?

[azure nimbus]

yes.takes a source port usually like zdaemon or odemex

[hexed escarp]

where is the exit in warrens

im playing it for the first time

and i got the blue key, and went back through the whole level

but i cant open the door that goes to the beginning

and i cant find anywhere new to go anywhere else

oh i think i accidentally softlocked it

i did something weird with the switches at the beginning

[azure nimbus]

after getting the key with the cyberdemon and backtracking, face the starting door as though you're starting the level and turn right(or turn left at the starting door on the way back). There is a gap in the wall

[hexed escarp]

the door to the starting room was not openable for some reason

i accidentally did something with the switches that caused me to lock myself out of the starting room

[azure nimbus]

are you on a weird comp level?

[hexed escarp]

no

crispy doom

[azure nimbus]

riperoons. Weird how the starting door works fine with pressing just one door. I think the left switch idk

[hexed escarp]

yeah i pressed the right switch, and then ran thru into the hallway

and the door closed behind me, and locked

[dense stream]

I’d be lying if I said I didn’t at least derive some enjoyment from the fact that they literally make you fight two barons of Hell on a poison-surrounded ridge in E4M1.

It’s such a genuinely wicked thing for Romero to do, I kinda love it.

[azure nimbus]

That's an American McGee map, e4m1 is. Maybe you're thinking of Romero's e4m2 which also has damaging floor and barons. But that one is lava instead of toxic green

[dense stream]

Could be. I’m playing Doom 2 atm so my memory could be a bit hazy in regards to level designers

[winged frigate]

finished map 11 now map 12

now i have ptsd because of the pain elements in map 11

[cloud talon]

It gets worse in doom 64

[opal falcon]

I found the Wolfenstein map in Doom II by accident.

[slim willow]

now find the second one

[opal falcon]

There was a trap in the first one that resulted in me dying by accident.

[dapper flint]

Nazi cyberdemon is a pretty fun fight

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/JfErAPSnQ6I

[jade solstice]

Starting BTSX2 tonight

Hope it impresses me as much as the first

Finished revolution as well- was good, but liked the beginning more than the end levels personally

[winged frigate]

i lost all of my ammo in map 12

so i restarted and the restart is pretty good

[pearl osprey]

Well doom maps are designed with pistol start in mind

Once you get used to the game mechanics you can easily beat any doom/doom 2 level with a pistol start

[finite crag]

Yes

[obsidian zealot]

how do i use codes?

[azure nimbus]

type cheats during normal Gameplay

[agile scroll]

I finally got classic doom on the ps5

[regal olive]

Great

[zenith portal]

hey all, i have doom II purchased on ps3 / ps4, nintendo switch, god knows where else. but i don't have a "registered" version for PC that i'm hearing about everywhere. recently got back into this classic, just a little confused, i want to know if the legit registered copy of doom / doom II is on steam or somewhere else? thanks

[modest musk]

why does this matter?

[pearl osprey]

If you are talking about the original DOOM 1993 with only 3 episodes (basically the not ultimate doom version) then no it's not the same one you get on steam

On steam you get the unity re-release+ Ultimate Doom

Not sure if there is any place where you can buy the 3 episode version but you can always ehm... look at archive.org

[zenith portal]

@pearl osprey thank you

[ripe blade]

did classic doom have translucency?

like running on ms dos

[pearl osprey]

Nope

That was added in the boom source port

[ripe blade]

Prboom plus doesnt change any monster or gameplay behaviour right? like the lost soul limit?

[pearl osprey]

As long as you're using the correct complevel option gameplay and mechanics should be identical to original doom in every way

-complevel 3 for Ultimate Doom

-complevel 2 for Doom 2

[ripe blade]

oh thanks

[slim willow]

You can get the full version Steam

[zenith portal]

yep, went with the collection on there. thanks!

[dapper flint]

Also get a sourceport

[spice radish]

GZDoom is probably the easiest and by far most popular but if you want something easy to set up that’s more vanilla I recommend Crispy Doom

[finite crag]

Yhwh

[azure nimbus]

GZdoom is no easier to set up than other ports. I don't really get the narrative that it's easier

[dapper flint]

It's actually alot alot more complicated to get all the settings right than any other source port. You're talking an hour at least

With eternity I just got it enabled gamepad and boom ready to go

[pearl osprey]

I think they mean easier to get going

With GZDoom you just install it and launch it and it works

You don't need to copy the IWAD files most of the time because it can auto detect them

[halcyon willow]

See I've heard the opposite. People actually stopping trying to use eternity because it was too hard to get set up right

[dapper flint]

What issues were they having bro ?

[pearl osprey]

Eternity is hard to setup???? I found it works amazing out of the box without any configuration imo

[halcyon willow]

Getting the mousefeel right

Was the main complaint I saw

This was when heartland released so there was a brief spike in first time users. There were a lot of complaints lol

[azure nimbus]

Skillsaw provided an options lump inside heartland so most of it was automatic

[dapper flint]

Ah makes sense why I didn't notice then

[halcyon willow]

Oh yeah controller lol

[viscid plover]

when the

[winged frigate]

how to not alert the revenents in doom 2 map 10

[ornate vortex]

refuelling base?

[winged frigate]

yes

[tired dawn]

guys so i was opening doom rla wiki for assemblies recipe but when i see the modpacks required the names are just letters like AT, BBB, BBBN, ect. can someone help me tell what all of that means?

[winged frigate]

how to copy save file to gzdoom pls i need help

[azure nimbus]

in doom, sound propagates through any height > 0 sectors. Monsters that see or hear you will know your location.

GZdoom saves are not compatable with other ports

[winged frigate]

what about savedir command gzdoom

[azure nimbus]

gzdoom is a totally different engine compared to more vanilla style ports

[pearl osprey]

GZDoom's saves are not even compatible with old version of GZDoom lol

[azure nimbus]

Almost all of doom is balanced for pistol start anyway

[dapper flint]

Luckily maps are relatively short so losses saves isn't really an issue for anyone I feel

[jade solstice]

I’m not sure if I’ve ever felt defeated by a level so hard in my life in doom

Even on ITYTD, BTSX2 secret level is horrifying - I’m not good enough. Sadge

I beat it eventually, but I skipped a lot of enemies

[proper shoal]

Sup y'all, whenever I start DOOM on GZDOOM (Doesn't matter which DOOM), I get some red demonic face for like 0.1 miliseconds, what's up with that? it's kinda scary

[azure nimbus]

how did you acquire the iwad

[proper shoal]

uhh

doom archive

however, I have the original doom2 wad and it still has the same image

[plush torrent]

anybody know if we can get the weapon switch UI from Unity Doom as a standalone add-on somewhere?

[dapper flint]

No it hasn't been ported by anyone

[plush torrent]

damn

[wide sinew]

When was Sigil added to the Unity port of Doom II and No Rest For the Living added to the Unity port of Doom 1? Sigil used to be exclusive to Doom 1 and No Rest For the Living used to be exclusive to Doom II, but I noticed recently that both Sigil and No Rest For the Living are in both Doom 1 and Doom II now.

[plush torrent]

huh... i wonder if they tweaked monster placements for No Rest For the Living in Doom 1 🤔

[wide sinew]

No, it's still using Doom II stuff

[plush torrent]

oh i see, so they just baked in the doom 2 enemies n stuff

[wide sinew]

Yeah, that's how all the add-ons are

[plush torrent]

i guess unity port must just run from the same library for both doom 1 and 2 and jus use WADs for the maps

[wide sinew]

But seriously though, I wonder when they added them to the opposite versions... I certainly don't remember them saying anything about it

Wait, are you a Unity dev in general? Or a dev specifically on Unity Doom?

[plush torrent]

oh... well, it was more just to use in GZDoom for playing more Doom. it's a nice weapon switcher.

[wide sinew]

I kinda figured, otherwise you probably would have a special server role saying as much lol

[plush torrent]

👀 can we see it?

[wide sinew]

Speaking of the Unity ports, does anyone know where I can get an Alien Vendetta WAD with the MIDI pack baked in? I want to add AV to the Android version of the Unity port of Doom II, but I want to use the MIDI pack with it and the Unity port doesn't allow you to load two WADs at once.

[plush torrent]

hmm...

lemme see if i can jus smoosh'm together

[winged frigate]

how to get pass the map 12 cacodemon room im suffering

[plush torrent]

@wide sinew i think i got the midis to pack-in. not sure if its playing the expected music or not because i dont know the default.

[wide sinew]

Yep, I just checked a few maps, and those seem to be playing the right MIDIs, so thanx!

[plush torrent]

kk

[zenith berry]

PSX Doom GEC Master Edition has one as a toggleable feature.

It's part of the extra gameplay features new to the total conversion.

[ornate vortex]

Lads, I was so close to getting 1st place for tn03 max

[jade solstice]

Approximately in august

[dapper flint]

Fantastic psx version by the way

[finite crag]

easiest way to kill a pain elemental?

their lost souls cover them

[finite crag]

[plush torrent]

I can't see where you toggle the weapon switcher hud in psx doom @zenith berry

[narrow condor]

If it's far away, duck in a corner. It won't spawn a lost soul if it can't see you. (But it will continue moving towards your position.) Since it has a very high pain chance, you can shoot intermittently with a shotgun and duck back without letting it spawn. You can also just stunlock it with chaingun fire. If it's nearby, just hug it. It can't spawn if you're standing right in front of it. After that you can even punch it to death.

In a messy fight with lots of things going on, reach for the plasma to get rid of it immediately as you keep running. But the rocket launcher is usually a bad idea, especially in close range, because the shooting delay is long enough to let it spawn lost souls and there's a high chance that you facerocket yourself on a lost soul.

[zenith berry]

It’s not an actual PSX Doom, it’s a TC in GZDoom that I was talking about.

[jade solstice]

So I finished BTSX2, and… I like 1 more I think
2 was good, but after level 20, it just got too intense for my liking on many of the levels - or the maps were too massive and I got lost

Skill issue? Yes

Also I tried rekkr again - I only played like 1 level before, didn’t think I’d like it
And tbh, think ima try to play through it - it’s so different but has a chill feel to it too
Could be because I am going from stress and anxiety to a “new game”, but I welcome it either way currently lol

[plush torrent]

yuh i have that mod you were talking about and couldnt find any toggle to add a weapon switcher hud @zenith berry

[carmine edge]

Classic doom is a fun game is imo because I love the 2d characters and just how the game works as a whole

[plush torrent]

yeah, Doom 2s enemy set is especially timeless and the mods keep the game even more fresh.

[carmine edge]

Find it funny how even though games can be years old they can still bring entertainment

[limber mirage]

Rekkr has a slow start, but once it finally gives you more weapons it gets way better

[plush torrent]

one thing that helps games like Doom2 become timeless is the fact you can basically design levels on a piece of paper.

[narrow condor]

The latter is my biggest problem with BTSX as a whole. I do love it but some levels are unnecessarily large and convoluted, turning gameplay into a chore. That and most levels look and feel too much like each other.

[winged frigate]

how to not give up in doom 2

also should i give up the fear of losing ammo in doom 2 so i could win like in doom eternal nightmare difficulty ?

[pearl osprey]

you should be conservative with your ammo but not like to the point where you are using your fists

Also if you are in a tough fight saving ammo isn't a priority

[azure nimbus]

sprites, the 2d visual representations of things is 2d, but broadly, the game is 3d

[plush torrent]

chainsaw pinky

[vast reef]

you can effectively chainsaw cacodemons too assuming there aren't much hazards in the room

pretty sure you can also do it with pain elementals and arachnotrons, haven't tried yet

[azure nimbus]

If you're a pro-tyson player, you can saw arachnos, but generally speaking their hurtbox is way smaller than their bounding box so actually chainsawing them is really hard. If you play gzdoom or doom64, it works fine buuut not on pc vanilla. Pains are easily sawed cuz they can't attack normally when you're up close. Cacos can be hard. They pain state more or less consistently(you may get bitten once) but their hitbox is really janky. Try it with different monsters. You'll notice different properties and who is easier or harder to saw

[plush torrent]

yuh theres plenty chances to saw, but pinky is a freebie in most cases.

[azure nimbus]

except nightmare or -fast ofc.

[finite crag]

i have successfully taught someone how to use dosbox

[dapper flint]

Pinkys used right can definitely be a threat. Choke points rocket bate

[slim willow]

Pinkies can be the scariest demon in a fight if used right.

[storm abyss]

I'm bouta play DooM 2 on my phone with ps remote play

[summer cipher]

Question: How do I add in custom textures into a wad? I'm planning to Make a weapon testing map based off of the BFG 10000 control room scene.

I'm planning to use a mix of EDAY Textures and some textures that I will make by myself
Another question: Is it possible to copy paste an entire part of the map, then rotate it?
If not then, Sadge

[amber pelican]

Playing some Doom Shovelware on https://www.twitch.tv/idgam3rlive

[plush torrent]

yes. you can jus grab all the lines and vertices and move it about. if you have the map already.

[summer cipher]

yay

[winged frigate]

i finished map 31 and 32 when i entered the secret end portal in map 15

[vast reef]

thanks for the detailed explanation

[summer cipher]

Question: How do you make textures Transparent in Ultimate Doom Builder? I'm trying to make a map with transparent windows. Thanks

Another question: How do I add custom weapons into my maps? Even though I have the weapon WADS in the Resource Wads List, It does not show up in the Things List. Can you please help? Thanks

[pearl osprey]

For transparent textures it depends on the map format.
Doom format: not possible.
Boom format: give a linedef action 260 and it will become transparent.
For ZDoom/UDMF: look up TranslucentLine.

[plush torrent]

your weapons probably need an ID assigned to them.

like

"actor <name> <ID>" or whatever it was in the code for the weapon

[craggy bone]

So, opinions on Syringe?

I just beat it

Definitely pushed me to my limit, some really tough fights in there and creative maps, but ultimately I thought it was pretty mixed

04 and 05 were highlights, but I really didn't like 06 and that... egregious final fight

[azure nimbus]

most of the "addons" are pretty solid. If you're interested in trying more community content, try out a source port like woof/dsda/gzdoom and you'll have 30 years of content to play

[craggy bone]

Yeah I've used source ports pretty extensively

Just playing through the Unity ones to see what's what

Currently on Arrival... More like Archvile-rrival, am I right or am I right? Haw haw

seriously though 12 archviles on map 1, 6 on 2, usually three or four at a time. It's pretty nuts with archviles

[dapper flint]

Arrival has a pretty spicy archie fight I think map 5 with the plasma pick up

[cold bramble]

" And thou mourn at the last, when Thy Flesh and thy body are Consumed... " -Proverbs 5:11

[ornate vortex]

How do you recover from a close run?

[jagged maple]

hello

[craggy bone]

What do you mean?

[craggy bone]

The map 1 plasma archvile fight was definitely verging on "be psychic or die" territory already lol

[ornate vortex]

i was very close to getting first place on a map, failed and now im feeling a bit bummed out

[narrow condor]

You can always try again. :-)

[jagged maple]

where do i get bfg

[craggy bone]

idfa

[turbid flax]

did any else feel like they beated the game after finishing knee deep in the dead?

[slow shore]

Just got Brutal Doom and Doom 4 for DOOM. I'm p fuckin excited rn

[shadow cosmos]

Ayyy nice

Where from, Steam?

[narrow condor]

Discovered something fascinating. You know how the revenant's hitbox 'jumps' during the tic it shoots a fireball (since it technically shoots from the middle of its hitbox), right?

If you're playing on Boom and if you manage to shoot the revenant with enough firepower to push it off a ledge exactly as it's shooting, you can actually bump it on top of a higher platform that it otherwise wouldn't be able to climb by walking.

[zenith berry]

They're of course free mods you can grab from the web :p

[shadow cosmos]

You know, I’m probably going to change my name to Airhead because I didn’t read that sentence correctly and thought they were talking about OG Doom games, now excuse me while I clean this egg off my face and take my foot out my mouth, Ty for the heads up 🤦🏽‍♂️

[vale gyro]

If your taking about the base game, I think you can get one in the pinky room in one of the levels in Episode 4

Idk any other locations of it, even in Doom 2

[zenith berry]

In Doom II it's located at a secret in Tricks and Traps, and regularly in Refueling Base.

At the room with hordes of Pinkies, shoot at the huge marble wall with a demon face on it. This is for Tricks and Traps

[vale gyro]

It is?

I remembered it in E4 for some reason

Eh, guess my mind is all over the place

I’m tired and trying to compile Aseprite

[zenith berry]

I can feel the pain. Aseprite itself is a commercial software but there's a "legal" free version of it, at the cost of having to know bit of advanced stuff.

[vale gyro]

Bruh

My download speed is 0 bytes a second

[zenith berry]

How huge is Aseprite if I may ask...

[vale gyro]

Idk

Not too large I believe

It’s just me using a slow ass laptop for this

Then porting it to my wayyyy faster gaming pc

Which I also use for game dev/app development

You wanna know what’s sad?

A ton of people in my school think doom sucks

[finite crag]

Heh. Demons names in doom too funny

Pinky , Cacodemon .

[zenith berry]

Must have been CoD fans 😛

[slim willow]

Meh, their loss.

[vale gyro]

Fortnite fans I think

They “hit the griddy” 24/7

[slim willow]

ew

[vale gyro]

Bet they never played doom in their life

[vale gyro]

I have been building Aseprite for two hours

For it to not work

You got to be fucking joking

[zenith berry]

Have you made sure you're following instructions?

[vale gyro]

Yes, now when I’m responding it’s been officially around 4 hours of failure

[azure nimbus]

if you want more classic doom, play pwads

[narrow condor]

Or even total conversions.

[keen crystal]

where are the vanilla mods

[narrow condor]

Right here: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/

[azure nimbus]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107015-wad-progression-for-skill-improvement/ this is a good place to start imo. The list isn't entirely correct, but these are mostly solid wads. Googling the name, you'll find the doomworld post or the idgamesarchive post that has the download

[craggy bone]

Just sending a new player to /idgames is probably gonna be a bit overwhelming, lol

[narrow condor]

Fair enough haha

In addition to that thread, there are lots of wad review blogs and, of course, the Cacowards.

[azure nimbus]

"where do you find doom stuff?" "the internet bro"

[jagged maple]

ah okay

[azure nimbus]

I don't think that's true. e4 doesn't have any bfgs in a pinky room. The first bfg in doom1 is in e3m3. There is another in e3m4, e3m5, and e3m7. e4 has it in e4m2, e4m5,e4m7, e4m8. Check doomwiki for details or decino's video. The pinky room he's thinking of is from doom2 map08

[dapper flint]

Your school probably ranks the lowest in average IQ

[obsidian robin]

[ashen salmon]

based

[fading steppe]

[vale gyro]

It’s a pretty good school

Just the current generation, is shitty

[dapper flint]

Definitely

[vale gyro]

Cause I’m only 13

And the only kid really into retro tech and games

So yea

The expectation of IQ, is pretty low

[dapper flint]

When I was 13 I was collecting street shark toys playing goldeneye and doing sick tricks on my bike before jumping into a pond ( back in my day moment )

[vale gyro]

And now, I’m a kid who codes stuff and likes retro stuff, and the Doom series

I’m the total opposite of most people in my school

[dapper flint]

Codding is epic. I made my first website when I was 8.

It was just about godzilla

Really liked godzilla

[vale gyro]

Well

Going back to compiling

[vale gyro]

Should I do a doom 2 pwad before I really played doom 2

Although, I am familiar with the enemies in Doom 2 (because of one of decino’s videos)

[slim willow]

Do Doom 2 first

[wide sinew]

One of the best things about the Switch is being able to randomly whip it out and challenge people to a few games of Classic Doom deathmatch via tabletop anytime, anywhere. Even if you don't have a TV or extra controllers, you can still do it in tabletop mode with sideways joycons. You can't use sideways joycons in single player (which I presume is because the devs assumed everyone would always have at least two joycons on them at all times, so it'd be pointless to play single player with just one since it's an objectively inferior control scheme due to the lack of a second analog stick) so it's cool that you can still split up the joycons to play deathmatch if that's all you have.

[azure nimbus]

is there a key to swap to bfg or is it like xbox where that doesn't exist

Ie needing to use weapon wheel

[wide sinew]

If you play using two joycons or a pro controller, the dpad keys are mapped to switching to shotgun for up, chaingun for right, rocket launcher for down, and plasma gun for left

But you can't do that if you're playing deathmatch with single joycons since the dpads are used for the face buttons.

I kinda wish they let you use single joycons in single player anyways for the people who are nostalgic for SNES Doom, since I'm pretty sure the controls are near identical.

[azure nimbus]

so no key for bfg, fist, pistol

and none for single joycon. so strange that they don't let us bind keys on the console version like it does on pc with controller for steam and woof and when xbox port of d64

[wide sinew]

Nope, but hitting L or R shows icons of the guns at the top of the screen, so you don't have to toggle through the weapons one by one.

So its kind of a weapon wheel

But also kind of isn't

I can DM you an example if you don't get what I mean

[azure nimbus]

yeah that's how it is on xbox. I'm so annoyed at that design choice. There are more than enough keys on the xb1 contorller

[jade solstice]

They also could’ve just made BFG the plasma gun bind if you hit it 2x

Pistol could’ve been the mini gun bind twice

Idk about fist

[azure nimbus]

I play controller on pc. I use: LT strafe, Right stick use, shotgun Y, chaingun B, rocket A, plasma X, BFG RB, fist, LB. that leaves the dpad, view and start keys for whatever combination of map, pausing, and 180° turn you want

[dapper flint]

Bfg rb? That's a bit strange

You can have everything binded to dpad and button

Minus pistol

[azure nimbus]

dpad in't super accessible for me. I have my middle finger resting on the right shoulder and pointer(claw) on face buttons. But nothing resting near the dpad

[dapper flint]

Ohhhh claw!

Makes sense then bro

[azure nimbus]

I'd do claw on the left but the left side of xb1 isn't great for that. if I played on a ps3 controller maybe

[simple egret]

Would it be illegal to send my friend just the wad file for doom 1 and 2

[narrow condor]

The IWADs? Well, yes. It'd be distributing copyrighted content. Not like they'd go after you for that but that's the law.

[pearl osprey]

Depends on your country, but no one is gonna arrest you for doing that lol

[winged frigate]

my pride rises higher then gas inflation when i see a guide for doom 2 has less ammo then me

[azure nimbus]

the WAD files for doom1, doom2, tnt,plut, nerve.wad(no rest for the living),and the master levels(possibly maximum doom as well but idk) are the only parts of doom that are copyright. the source code is released. But the levels and assets are not. realistically -- the stuff is out there already. but this is what's still owned by ID/bethesda

[spice radish]

Technically would count as piracy. I say don’t and just send your friend FreeDoom instead if they need IWADs

Or give them the $10 for Doom 1 and 2

[simple egret]

okay thanks guys

[jade solstice]

.. do the eyes in Rekkr Respawn enemies lol

I’m almost certain they do
This dude came back to life after I killed him and the eye disappeared so

[narrow condor]

Just played M22 of CC2 and it was quite an experience. On one hand, it feels somewhat amateurish and it's silly how punishing its traps are. On the other hand, I quite enjoyed the rollercoaster of action with fights that are so off-kilter that it always kept me on my toes.

[azure nimbus]

think the rekkr eyes use vile respawn stuff yeah

[jade solstice]

Interesting

[jade solstice]

Mixed feelings be like

[narrow condor]

I think I can sum it up as: I enjoyed it but I won't play it again.

[jade solstice]

Me with rekkr tbh

[narrow condor]

Haha

[jade solstice]

But I’m not done with rekkr. So, maybe that’ll change

Lol

I am glad I gave it a second chance though

I am liking it more than my initial try

I will say I do appreciate the major revamp, even if it isn’t something I’d play regularly or multiple times. It is fresh, and I like Viking stuff

[wide sinew]

Just started playing BTSX Episode 1, and JESUS CHRIST is it intense! Seriously, the demon onslaught in it is relentless! They throw so many monsters at you at once that it's insane... 10/10

[dapper flint]

Yeah definitely one of the good unity add on options

10 out of 10 for unity. 5 out of 10 when compared with wads avaliable out there