classic-doom

[vale gyro]

Though

I must add that Doom does not have proper support for this type of stuff

It will scale, but will look stretched

[broken elk]

yeah

i mean ultimate doom is low res but firs the whole screen

but doom 2 and master levels go to the middle and far left

[vale gyro]

Not with mine

Both on my laptop and ultra wide curved

[broken elk]

wired

[vale gyro]

Yes, I am a person who owns a curved monitor

I feel no shame

[broken elk]

also something wired

[vale gyro]

You mean weird?

[broken elk]

when i go to the window it goes fulscreen

it doesnt go borderless windowed like ultimate

hmmm

[vale gyro]

As in dosbox goes full screen?

[broken elk]

oh wait now it did

[broken elk]

yeah but its like normal now

[vale gyro]

Because that is set via the config file as well and I don’t remember it having windowed borderless as an option

[broken elk]

alt enter sends it to fulscreen but still

amma show you

i cant send pics

[finite crag]

why is there doom classic xbox and ps4 port?

if it doesnt have kbm compatibilty then should be hell to play

[pearl osprey]

Doom isn't a difficult game (at least vanilla doom I and II on UV) so playing with a controller is actually comfortable

[azure nimbus]

with that said, the console ports don't allow button mapping. Despite the official pc port(as well as some fanmade engines) having full controller support with button mapping

[vast reef]

i like the game in 4:3

i use widescreen in gzdoom because mouselook on 4:3 looks weird for me

[fallen edge]

Looking back at classic doom

Is it called Supercharge or Soulsphere? Because I call it Supercharge

[hexed escarp]

Either works

[vast reef]

i like calling it supercharge

[vocal summit]

it's name is technically soulsphere but the game says supercharge

[vast reef]

it's called soul sphere in the manuals

i think the powerup is referred to as supercharge in the game's source code, let me check

[vocal summit]

and in the sprite name

it's called SOUL

[vast reef]

never mind, this is gonna take a while

[vast reef]

yeah then i think soul sphere is the correct term

[hexed escarp]

Hold on I’m gonna check in the source

[vocal summit]

i checked crispy doom it's soulsphere

[dapper flint]

Mega sphere is what then? Mega charge?

[azure nimbus]

sludgecharge

[noble pasture]

I know this is probably a stupid question but Since I own Doom 3 BFG thanks to ID software giving it out for free. Is there any reason for me to get the classic dooms (besides 64) because i can get the iwads from the BFG edition

[shell jackal]

The classic Dooms contain the original uncensored Doom 2 v1.9 and Ultimate Doom iwads

[finite crag]

u mean with the swastikas?

[shell jackal]

Doom 2 also comes bundled with Final Doom and Master Levels

[finite crag]

abd doom 3 bfg edition

[shell jackal]

Well, the Wolfenstein art and SS in Doom 2

And the health pickups

[finite crag]

i should send that version to any german players to get then arrestrd

[finite crag]

wait what?

[shell jackal]

I don't think that law applies anymore

[finite crag]

there arent any health pickups in the censored version?

[shell jackal]

I meant the graphics

[pearl osprey]

Health in og doom uses the red cross symbol

[shell jackal]

They replaced the red crosses with pills

[pearl osprey]

while in censored version it's pills

or sometimes green

[finite crag]

what why?

[shell jackal]

Legal reasons

[finite crag]

boohoo red cross illegal

[shell jackal]

Red Cross has always had restrictions on using the symbol, but they started pushing it harder in recent years

[finite crag]

then red medic from tf2 should be banned lol

[finite crag]

wasnt the original DOOM made bfor red cross?

[shell jackal]

No, Red Cross has been around for a long time

[finite crag]

nvm red cross was in 1863

id can say that its an alternate reality and that it takes in 1862 lol

[shell jackal]

The DOS versions in the standalone Doom 1 and 2 releases are completely untouched, though they're missing the setup executables, and the Unity ports bundled with them are uncensored aside from the red crosses being recolored to green.

[azure nimbus]

the games from steam have the untouched IWADS which are used for the overwhelming majority of custom maps

[finite crag]

ngl steam should use source ports instead of dosbox

dosbox is ass

[shell jackal]

It does

Unity ports

[finite crag]

well yea but who wants a unity port without the wad

[shell jackal]

The Unity ports do contain the WADs though

[finite crag]

i thought its built like any other games

[shell jackal]

The standalone Steam versions of Doom 1 and 2 contain both the Unity port and DOS versions

[azure nimbus]

Everything that isn't dos is a port. Unity is port here

[finite crag]

but its more expensive right?

[shell jackal]

No, same price

[azure nimbus]

it's a lil over a dollar last I checked yesterday

[shell jackal]

They're bundled together

DOS version is just a launch option

[finite crag]

bruh then theres no reason to buy the 2 separate versions

[shell jackal]

You don't

[finite crag]

• does steam count hours played even tho ur playing like gzdoom?

[shell jackal]

No

[finite crag]

so ur just paying for 1 file

[shell jackal]

You aren't

[finite crag]

well if u buy the dosbox versions

cuz last time i played it
it was in dosbox

[shell jackal]

The Dosbox version and Unity version are the same purchase

The Unity port got released for free for everyone who owned the Dosbox one

[finite crag]

oh im so dumb

[shell jackal]

sorry, should've said it like that in the first place, my brain isn't always good at putting my thoughts into words

[finite crag]

well my brain is stupid cuz i forgot about everything

cuz i found the 2 doom games on my dads old flash drive from like early 2000

[shell jackal]

Anyway, Dosbox isn't usually bad, it's just the fact that it's bundled with an old version with a bad config

[finite crag]

idk how but i was lagging

also when my dad sneaked up on my pc he was wondering why cant he launch the doom exe

zdl is a live saver tbh

[shell jackal]

Well, part of that can be chalked up, again, to the bad config

Other part is that the DOS version is capped at 35fps

[finite crag]

i used to use crispy doom bfor i realised from decinos vid i could use pr boom

[shell jackal]

Yeah, I tend to keep multiple source ports

[finite crag]

i only use pr boom to play like sunlust (which i nearly snapped my keyboard over. but ljckily its made from steel) valiant and the vanilla doom

[shell jackal]

The fact that there's so many options is nice, even if it is a bit overwhelming for newcomers

[finite crag]

i was so confused on what should i choose

oh yea and i always play UV or NM i only play the other difficulties if im playing like a mod smthn like hideous destructor
and when today i picked UV in doom 2016 i realised how much i suck at doom

so i switched to HMP

[dapper flint]

If you're playing classic on nightmare once in a while you don't suck at doom

[shell jackal]

Adding on, the included DOS version of Final Doom is the retail version, and not the bugfixed version contained in later id Anthology releases.

[azure nimbus]

I know a lot of people prefer 35 Hz since the engine only runs at that rate. Other frames are just interpolated

well, I'm one of them to be fair

[shell jackal]

Yeah, I usually stick with 60Hz personally but I do understand why someone would want to stick with the original refresh rate

[azure nimbus]

so that the game visually updates only when it physically updates

[shell jackal]

Yep

[finite crag]

ngl i dont get ppl who play 240 fps on a 60 hz monitor

[shell jackal]

yeah, that's just wasteful

[finite crag]

i lock it on to save my pcs life and cuz i dont like seeing numbers changing in the corner

[shell jackal]

One of the reasons why I usually stick with 60 or higher is because I tend to play Doom on a laptop, and 35 FPS looks juttery for me with a 60Hz refresh rate

It looks a lot nicer on a monitor that supports proper 70 Hz though

[azure nimbus]

multiples of 35 makes sense

[shell jackal]

That was a standard for most monitors back then :P

course I don't exactly have the right to judge that since I'm a zoomer, heh

[pearl osprey]

The higher your fps is the better the latency

Even if you go above your monitors refresh rate

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/881879672365940816/1010610492429041765/proxy-image.png

Your monitor refreshes at a fixed rate, while the time it takes go render frames varies, that means the monitor picks whatever frame was rendered last

[shell jackal]

That's assuming vsync is being used

[pearl osprey]

For doom I keep it on unlimited but tbh you wouldn't need more than 300/400/500

[pearl osprey]

Vsync limits your fps to your refresh rate so it does the opposite of this

It heavily increases latency

[shell jackal]

Correct

But with vsync off, games will start drawing frames as soon as they've been rendered

and that means screen tearing.

[pearl osprey]

To me it's a worthy trade off

Just love that butter smooth framerate

[shell jackal]

Understandable, but it's not for everyone

It's a matter of preference, and while it does help in online games I find it a bit too distracting for my tastes

plus in that case

ping

[pearl osprey]

You can also limit your fps to be double your refresh rate instead of unlimited, a good balance of both

[shell jackal]

Anyway, most of the kinds of games I play don't benefit too much in singleplayer, and I don't mind the extra bit of latency.

[shell jackal]

Agreed.

[leaden mortar]

Since doom 2 is on sale i am thinking of buying it. If I already own doom 1 but havent completed it, is it worth buying, or should i first finish all episodes in doom 1 and then play doom 2?

[pearl osprey]

If you want to be financially responsible finish the first game, and then if you would like to play more buy the second

[leaden mortar]

k

[pearl osprey]

On the other hand it's really cheap

[leaden mortar]

excatly

[shell jackal]

I'd personally recommend playing it up through and including the third chapter, Inferno

[leaden mortar]

I have played up to the half point of ep2 and ep3 i think

usually i just complete the first one

also, is the double barrel as good as people say?

[shell jackal]

Absolutely

[leaden mortar]

well, then i better finish those episodes

[shell jackal]

You can also play the fourth chapter before Doom 2 but I'd recommend saving it for after

Aside from not being part of the original release, it's a pretty huge difficulty spike

[leaden mortar]

yeah i tried it and got frustruated because it wasnt as easy to just speed through it

[azure nimbus]

considering that doom2 is barely over a dollar, seems worth grabbing. the ssg takes twice the shells but does just about 300 % of the damage and shoots faster than half the speed of the single barrel. It is rather good. It isn't plasma levels of dps, but it's a good base weapon

e4 is at times harder than d2

[leaden mortar]

i think i will complete the first 3 originals and then play doom 2

[dapper flint]

That's the order I'd recommend

[leaden mortar]

alright

[jade solstice]

Play 64 before 3 too- if you planned on playing those

But yeah def do doom 1 all the way before 2

[narrow condor]

I usually recommend the entirety of Ultimate Doom if they don't mind the difficulty of Thy Flesh Consumed before Doom 2 so that you get all Doom 1 material out of the way, followed by Final Doom. :-)

[shell jackal]

Don't forget about No Rest for the Living.

[narrow condor]

Oh yeah, I always forget about that since it's new. Quite short too.

[vale gyro]

Also I would also say Sigil as well tbh

[dapper flint]

Absolutely

[hexed escarp]

Have any of you guys heard of a doom 2 level cd that comes with a book on how to make levels?

Because my grandfather was describing to me that he had many years ago and I am trying to find what it was

[azure nimbus]

in e3m7, there are two switches near the blue key. What does the left one do?

[azure nimbus]

Cyriak returned and I hear that it's very good

[river shuttle]

Tem gente do Brasil?

[keen umbra]

Buy DOOM 2 while it's on sale if you want. That's what I did. Actually, I was able to get the entire classic doom for under $6 (because I already have final doom)

[hexed escarp]

Are the master levels worth playing?

[slim willow]

not overly

[azure nimbus]

as a historical artifact, they are a good lens into 94 era shovelware but they are not, short of Black Tower arguably, good levels

[sick oyster]

Idk where to post this but im just going to say it straight up. I now own doom collection 1. 2, 3, 64, 2016, and eternal

[untold hawk]

honestly, i enjoyed the 2nd one more than the first one

i played on zandronum though

[final axle]

Holy crap! I got into a secret level of Wolfenstein in doom 2. I legit thought it's gonna take me back on surface of the level i was at.

[azure nimbus]

always cool to find secrets on your won like that

[final axle]

Indeed!

[dapper flint]

Sounds rare

[shell jackal]

I'm kind of surprised Doom RR has never been mentioned here

as in the cancelled 32X Doom rerelease/revision

I always wondered what the hell that was supposed to be, and if it even got anywhere with development

There were multiple builds made within multiple months after release, but the only things that changed were all engine-side.

Were they planning on just making bugfixes, or were they planning on going further than that? Like improving the music, or adding the Inferno levels.

Judging by the months of development time and the lack of any surface-level changes compared to the retail build, it seems unlikely that it was going to be the latter.

[daring zephyr]

Anyone on Zdaemon ?

[opal vale]

Can anyone give me a hand? I'm stuck on Master Level's "Black Tower". I'm working my way down the tower and I get to the third floor. The wall around the teleporter is up, and the button to lower it is blocked. I can't kill any of the enemies, because I can't see them behind the wall. Is this a bug or is there something I missed?
I'm playing on the Xbox Game Pass version of Doom 2...

[vast reef]

get doom 2

[vast reef]

you don't have final doom

[finite crag]

You can't buy Final Doom anymore

[pearl osprey]

You get final doom if you buy doom 1 or 2 iirc

[finite crag]

its part of it now

Well was for quite a while

[junior karma]

has anyone here had any luck building the current version of GZDoom from source on Windows 10? I am getting no sound even after adding zmusic.dll to the directory

[vast reef]

oh?

so it comes lumped in with the other classic doom games?

it's better that way honestly

[finite crag]

yeah

i just bought doom 2 on mobile and surprisingly it's not so bad

[fast mortar]

I mean obviously, its still doom

[narrow condor]

I assure you, Doom ports can actually be really bad. :-P

[vast reef]

yes

they most definitely can be

[narrow condor]

I'm sure everyone here knows the saga of 3DO Doom.

[vast reef]

when i have the time i'll try working on a joke port designed to be as un-user friendly as possible

[vast reef]

oh god

that's going to keep me up at night

[narrow condor]

😁

[strong plaza]

Would love if they finally added xboxlive support to classic DOOM and DOOM II.

[mortal beacon]

Ik the bfg versions on Xbox 360 have online support

I’m kinda sad they never added it to the new “enhanced” versions

[strong plaza]

Yeah, this is how we play right now

[mortal beacon]

If you have a pc there are plenty of ways to play co op doom

[molten iron]

Doom 64 is free on epic rn

[mortal beacon]

Ps doom eternal has doom 1 and 2 built into it on pc

[dapper flint]

Did you though

[shell jackal]

is that a rhetorical question

[dapper flint]

Is it ?

[dapper flint]

I'm not 100 percent sure but I think the sale ends today

[spice radish]

Except if you wanna experience those games playing them through Eternal is not the best

[cloud talon]

BFG edition wad files

Running in a super small screen size

[odd slate]

me too

i got like the first two dooms for like

3 euro

[dapper flint]

Yes that's what I was saying

[mortal beacon]

Yea but the wads are readily available for a source port

You can just take the files out of the games folder on steam

And drop it in something like gzdoom

[halcyon willow]

spending $60 to buy doom eternal so you don't have to spend $3 to buy doom 2

[daring zephyr]

About time for some rocket jumping in Voice channel 2

[azure nimbus]

is that gzdoom you're playing

[mortal beacon]

It’s more like doom 1 and 2 are a bonus on top of your purchase

[pearl osprey]

Pretty sure that was the point of the joke lol

[daring zephyr]

@azure nimbus nah zdaemon

Been on zdaemon for like 12-15 years.

Cant stop playing doom 2

[azure nimbus]

I saw the freelook and was worried that you were gonna do some weird vertical rocket boosts

[dapper flint]

Weird. That's the best way to do a rocket jump !

[daring zephyr]

Lmao you guys come up with the shit i have no clue about

I use w/e Zdaemon has had available

[azure nimbus]

vanilla doom explosions don't have vertical boost I mean. But in gzdoom they do. The vertical boost from AVs is from their direct attack, not the explosion

[daring zephyr]

To be honest, im new to this discord / doom lingo... so im blind to what you just said

[azure nimbus]

you said you were rocket jumping. The classic doom engine has rocket jumping. But the explosion will only launch you laterally(as in directions you can run and not vertically). In GZdoom, which modifies the doom engine, explosions also blast you upwards. Since I saw that your game had freelook(looking up and down), I thought that there was a chance that Zandronum which is similar to gzdoom in a lot of ways, also has that odd explosion behavior. Does that make sense?

[dapper flint]

I have a real love for rocket exits

[daring zephyr]

Yes

[dapper flint]

[odd slate]

guys i've a question

does brutal doom for doom 2 still exists?

because i cant find it on moddb

sorry for this stupid question because

im new to modding

[dapper flint]

It does

[odd slate]

where can i find it

?

[dapper flint]

Just search brutal doom it ll be the first thing to pop up. Download v21

[odd slate]

it works also on doom 2?

i use it on doom 1

[vale gyro]

works just the same

[odd slate]

sorry im really a noobie on this argument

[odd slate]

oh ok thanks

[fickle adder]

my brother is doom eternal fanboying guys help me

[vast reef]

brutal doom works for doom 1 and 2 lmao

most mods (not map wads) out there will work for both

at least in my experience

[pliant briar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A449uA7XxhY
is there anyway to fix this?

[azure nimbus]

Two second clip, I can't tell what's wrong. Can you describe it

[pliant briar]

like just walking around and the weird shadows

the walls

its as if there are a whole bunch of screens zooming in and out instead of being smooth

[azure nimbus]

It's still hard to tell exactly the issue. But if you're on dsda or woof or crispy, it should look normal. Gzdoom sometimes has weird graphical behavior in texture filtering mode. what port are you on

I'm looking at the same e1m6 wall and looking for a difference

[pliant briar]

hmm this is the unity build

but its weird, like its just not smooth graphics/render

like do you see the black outlines when moving back and forward?

like look at the ceiling, when i move back and forth, its like different gradients with outlines

it doesnt do that in prboom+ but prboom+ doesnt support controllers

[azure nimbus]

woof supports controller if that's important for you. It is very similar to dsda but has controller support and improved spectre drawing(dsda makes them too hard to see. The invis effect scales up with resolution so they get ridiculously hard to see on dsda)

I think the difference is that you have dsda on openGL. I checked this same hallway on woof and dsda and that dark leading line on the ceiling is the same. But on openGL rendering mode that dsda supports, it isn't there. For reference, dsda is a very similar build to prboom.

[pliant briar]

hm interesting ill check out dsda then ty

[azure nimbus]

dsda doesn't support controller. If that is important for you, woof is a better option

[pliant briar]

oh got it

[azure moth]

ayo, fairly new to doom and using gzdoom; i normally play my fps's with a keyboard and mouse but i wanna kick back and relax with a controller, is it a decent way to play or should i be going full mega-nerd?

[azure nimbus]

Doom has supported controller in various forms since about 1996. Whenever stuff like the Jaguar ports came out. Short of I suppose deathmatch where snap aiming is important, controller is just fine. In terms of modern ports, eternity, unity(the steam and console builds), gzdoom, and woof all support controller and are good for different stuff. It depends if you want a more vanilla experience, want to play heartland, or don't want to bother downloading more stuff(unity) which one you'd use

[azure moth]

aight, gotcha, thanks a ton

[azure nimbus]

I'm not really sure how kbm is more or less nerd so to speak. They both work. This is one of the games less affected by controller vs mouse differences. I've been able to beat a good amount of stuff with controller. And a lot of people play keyboard only anyway. Since those people exist, you might find a 180 deg turn around keybind which can help with turning speed limitations

[pliant briar]

oh no does woof not support opengl either?

cant seem to find the setting anywhere

[azure nimbus]

woof does not. Software is much closer to vanilla's rendering and looks better.

[pliant briar]

ah so i guess its software rendering that causing that issue

is there any program that supports both controller and opengl?

[azure nimbus]

gzdoom should. Though I do urge you to try software for a bit. After you get used to the darker lighting, it does look way better.

[pliant briar]

thats funny, my prboom+ one is way more dark

unity build also has software rendering right?

[azure nimbus]

yeah looks that way

[pliant briar]

ill just prob stick to unity, already finished episode 1 anyway

[azure nimbus]

can I send you two pictures of the same thing in doom: one in software and one in opengl. Just to compare

[pliant briar]

yea

[dapper flint]

Gz has both software and open gl. And it has fantastic controller support.

I also had issues with gl so switched to vulkan. Also in gz. Made everything run smooth as butter. I still like to use software once in a while for that chonky look

[pliant briar]

oh nice vulkan looks pretty decent thanks.
any ideas on how to disable free look perm? everytime i re-launch, it keeps re-enabling even tho its set to false in the ini file

[dapper flint]

I actually had the exact same annoying issue. I had to do a fresh install of it and disabled it from searching it through menu instead of search bar. Also you'll want to disable crouch and jump those will stay off though. The neat thing about gz though once you get it down is you can customize it for you and never have to mess with the settings again. If you have issues again, with vulkan enabled depending on the maps requirements switch between hardware accelerated and software. Always solves performance issue.

[vale gyro]

show him classic doom

that may help with the fanboying

[broken elk]

for me it looks slanted lol, but yeah that shadow near the door is too dark

[vale gyro]

only doom 2

[vale gyro]

actually my first experience with the doom franchise if I can recall, people say the old controls sucked, man the new ones suck even more

[odd slate]

ok sorry for stupid question

[azure nimbus]

there is a "save current settings" option in gz.

[vocal summit]

no

[azure nimbus]

Final doom is the plutonia experiment and tnt evilituion: two 32 map megawads released in the mid 90s not made by ID software but bought by them. It is accessible from doom2 on ps4 from the addons

[vocal summit]

final doom comes with doom 1 as well

[azure nimbus]

oh did they change it? I just checked the addons section on the wiki and everything, even sigil, is included under "both"

[vocal summit]

sigil is doom 1 only

[narrow condor]

Still waiting for Sigil 2 but knowing Romero, it may come out tomorrow or a decade later.

[vocal summit]

isn't sigil a prequel to doom 2

what would you even do for a sigil 2

[narrow condor]

I didn't even know there's a lore.

Sigil 2 is intended to be for Doom 2 so I'm looking forward to it. Sigil had signature Doom moments such as shotgunning barons.

[azure nimbus]

it's also included in doom2's addon list. Yaknow the weird steam/unity thing with the finite addon list

[dapper flint]

Doest always work with the free look error

That's what I mentioned

[vale gyro]

not when I checked..

[shell jackal]

Could be a thing that happens if you have both Steam versions installed

Sigil, No Rest for the Living and Final Doom are showing up in the addons lists for both games on my end.

[azure nimbus]

I think they just changed it recently because I remember it being split but now it isn't

I've never had exactly one and not the other

[worn gyro]

Just started playing doom

[vocal summit]

it shares the same directory

C:\Users(Your Username)\Saved Games\id Software\WADs

[vital knoll]

[ornate vortex]

Is there a way monsters only wake up to seeing the player instead of waking up after an attack from the player?

[narrow condor]

Put sound blocking linedefs around the monster and it won't hear your gunshots.

[ornate vortex]

thanks, will try that

[hexed escarp]

is it just me or does doom2 sky3 look like the giygas fight from earthbound, my friend pointed this out to me and now i cant unsee it

[azure nimbus]

either soundblocking linedefs(need 2) or the ambush flag. Behavior is different however. Monsters with the ambush flag, when they hear a sound, extend their view to behind them as well.

[honest scroll]

[vast reef]

looks like giygas' cousin

[slim willow]

you cannot grasp the true form of giygas's skybox

[hexed escarp]

BRO THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IVE ACCIDENTALLY OVERRIDDEN MY DOOM 2 SAVE FILE

I HATE THIS

[vast reef]

lmfaooo

[vast reef]

this is not a failure
this is a lesson
have a backup copy of your doom 2 save file

[pearl osprey]

[slim willow]

i keep forgetting youre a major EB guy

and then i realize your username is basically PSI Flash

[vast reef]

i haven't actually touched the game or community in ages

[hexed escarp]

ive not actually played it before, ive just seen clips of the final boss lol

[vast reef]

but i owe so much to earthbound considering it got me into video games (and music)

[hexed escarp]

i played the very beginning

[slim willow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkAmD8A3CRk

big energy in this tune. cant tell if its sad or happy energy but i guess its a little of both

[vast reef]

always gets me

[vast reef]

the name is literally smiles and tears

[slim willow]

https://tenor.com/view/invisible-ink-pig-head-memoji-gif-25029183

[vast reef]

oh

[slim willow]

mind blowinh

you ever just feel like a complete idiot

[vast reef]

yes

[dapper flint]

No

[odd slate]

ALWAYS

[vast reef]

windows?

i don't know what to do there, sorry

[pearl osprey]

I compiled it once on windows (and even messed a bit with the code) without msys

Cmake GUI + Visual Studio with c/c++ did the job

Also darn compiling anything on windows is pain

[hexed escarp]

idk what it is like with crispy doom, but i was able to compile woof insanely easily using visual studio and its by the same dev

just open the folder in visual studio and it will import all of the cmake stuff and you should be able to compile it very easily

wdym

it was very easy

just install visual studio, its free and very helpful for writing c and c++

oh, thats not good, you should try clearing some stuff out

somebody tell me this wouldnt make a killer midi for a doom map: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGvFObnwKNc

well idk what to tell you then, ive never done it without visual studio

[hexed escarp]

especially the part starting at 2:15

[hexed escarp]

is there a tool that allows you to modify vanilla doom save files?

[finite crag]

i like the ost of the sega 32x port of doom

[slim willow]

brave take lol

[cloud talon]

I really like the jaguar version of dooms ost

[potent whale]

Just finished the first 11 Master Levels for Doom II...
...It was pain.

[cosmic pagoda]

visual studio is nice, but very much bloatware, i'd recommend something like clion instead, although the licence is a bit crispy by price

[finite crag]

bro...

[potent whale]

What?

[finite crag]

i fear you

[odd slate]

where can i find them

sorry if this is a dumb question+

[potent whale]

I downloaded Doom II for console when it came on sale for the Quakecon sale
And they were just there

[potent whale]

How

[odd slate]

oh ok

[cloud talon]

Thankfully master levels only has 20 levels

[potent whale]

The rest are probably gonna suck too...

[lost plume]

I beat 20 cacodemons with me fists

[narrow condor]

I don't understand why anyone would play shovelware like the Master Levels when there are hundreds of excellent wads out there.

[lost plume]

Like uhhhh

Do.not.play?

I played it now I'm seeing demons in my room

[odd slate]

why the first chapter

knee deep in the dead

is SO good

[azure nimbus]

There are 21 MLs

the stores screen in steam incorrectly says 20 as well, forgetting about Bad Dream(secret lvl from TEETH)

[limber mirage]

The only good master level was the first one

It brings you into a sense of false security

[azure nimbus]

the second has all 3 keys and windows for sniping

[shut rapids]

I know its a shot in the dark but does anyone here have the classic collection on the ps3? I want to collect all ps trophies in all doom games and this one is delisted

[cloud talon]

The difference between master levels and fan made wads is master levels is an official game

[narrow condor]

It's as official as the other wads bundled as addons, I'd say. It was commissioned by id as a cash grab during the time fanmade wads were getting popular.

[cloud talon]

You did not play master levels for doom 2

[narrow condor]

What's that supposed to mean?

[cloud talon]

You did not play master levels for doom 2

[narrow condor]

?

I don't know what you're trying to get at but that's what it is.

[azure nimbus]

the addons were never sold as their own thing. the MLs were. They were either bought or commissioned by ID.

[narrow condor]

Yes, I mean official as in distributed by id.

I think it's nonsensical that what amounts to id trying to get a bite out of the shovelware scene of mid-'90s as a reaction to D!ZONE et al, made it to Steam and people consider it a part of the series.

[azure nimbus]

as many issues as I have with the unity port, the addons really are a show of good faith from them

[zenith berry]

The PlayStation version of Final Doom, which for some reason has select Master Levels, adds a lore behind them.

[narrow condor]

Wow

[azure nimbus]

Some MLS, like the black tower, have some story but they're all separate to each author

[narrow condor]

That's especially funny considering some of the maps were torn out of completely unrelated, existing series, like Dr Sleep's Inferno series.

[narrow condor]

I certainly agree — it's a great way to introduce other wads to the new user. And the Master Levels is a great way to show them how bad it can be.

[zenith berry]

”You have assaulted and triumphed the most vicious realms that the demented minds of our designers could devise. The havoc you left behind as you smashed your way through the Master Levels is mute tribute to your prowess.”

[narrow condor]

Hahah

That's pretty self-aware.

[azure nimbus]

I do feel the mls should have a warning behind them lol

something like "hey, this is early 90s content. it is a historical artifact and not necessarily representative of modern maps"

[narrow condor]

I'm certain the only reason they're still publishing them is simply that they have the rights to them.

[azure nimbus]

it's a bit of a dammed if they do, damned if they don't. if they still make people pay extra for it, that's gross. if it comes with d2, then people will play it before other stuff expecting it to be a major part of the canon

[narrow condor]

Yeah, you're right. Also people aren't aware of the context behind them, like the wad CDs full of shovelware sold in shops or bundled with magazines, or the spread of dodgy wads over the internet.

I just hope it's not putting off any new players.

[azure nimbus]

I'd like to see rowdy rudy on there.. fantastic introduction to custom content

[narrow condor]

Oh yeah!

Was it Boom-compatible?

Oh wow, it was vanilla too.

Vanilla PC/TCs always impress me.

[azure nimbus]

it's not just regular vanilla compat, it's DOS doom2 executable compatible

[narrow condor]

That's quite impressive.

[azure nimbus]

it's easy to forget just how limited the original engine is. There aren't even color coded buttons

[narrow condor]

And skull keys and keycards overwrite each other and are interchangeable. :-P

I don't know why but that always tripped me up. The original games made sure not to confuse the player much about it but some vanilla wads didn't show the same courtesy.

[azure nimbus]

what courtesy do you want them to do? Do you mean always matching a skull door to a skull key even though it doesn't matter? the og maps are pretty good about that outside of e2m3

[narrow condor]

It's a really minor thing but after playing so many six-key maps, seeing a red skull door and 'only' having a red keycard sent me on a wild goose chase before.

I forget the map.

And yeah, because the original maps were so subtle about it that I hadn't realised it was an irregularity that got 'fixed' with Boom onwards until much later.

[dapper flint]

Psx master levels are some what playable though. Still shit. But doable

[azure nimbus]

it isn't even totally fixed in boom graphically speaking. The keycard sprite that has both the red skull and keycard isn't overlaying one sprite on the other. It is its own spritework. So sometimes it doesn't match what it should look like

[narrow condor]

Fair point.

[azure nimbus]

I didn't actually realize until playing combat shock 2 that there was a difference between skulls and cards. map01 uses both blues.

[narrow condor]

Haha, so we found out how it works from the opposite ends.

[azure nimbus]

A lot of boom stuff I kinda learned incidentally. I remember coming here to this discord saying that the eternity engine was bugged with swaps. But that's just boom weirdness

[vital knoll]

Eh. PSX CE TNT is the only way I think I can tolerate TNT.

[dapper flint]

Actual truth

[vital knoll]

I've been wad hunting and sifting through some dogshit like Plutonia 2....Knee Deep in ZDoom is interesting with mods. Epic 2 broke with mods.

I should really finish Ashes 2063 Afterglow. Not huge on the open world thing but it's still good.

[dapper flint]

There's a wad called lost civilization I've been playing. Really stunning great midis . Big fights

[vital knoll]

Mod compatible?

[dapper flint]

Yeah absolutely

[random tartan]

germ approves of doom (1993)

[vital knoll]

I need to see it. I hope it isn't a slaughter map.

[potent whale]

Because I'm on Xbox and I want the achievement for completing all the Master Levels that gives you 150 gamer points that only 0.81% of gamers have.

[azure nimbus]

lost civ is about exploration and atmosphere. it isn't really too combat oriented

[narrow condor]

That's a good motive, yeah.

[dapper flint]

I've played 3 maps in a row now with 400 plus monsters in lost civilization. Maybe the numbers drop after 15. That's how far I am

[vital knoll]

Jesus lol

If that isn't combat oriented, what is lol

[vast reef]

maybe the maps are just really big

a super cramped and short map with 80 monsters is combat oriented

[fervent mango]

if anyone wondering how to launch the Voxel doom mod on Doom Launcher simply add the file parameter to the param tab, for some reason it always glitch out or doesnt work when you just add the zip file as is or repackage it
-file cheello_voxels.zip

[vast reef]

👍

[dapper flint]

They are huge. But alot if the fights are like 30 40 enemies at once

Indoor ones are less though

Lots of room to move

[potent whale]

Ok I'm playing the 14th Master Level rn and
How tf do I get the blue skull key

I already have red and yellow

[dapper flint]

Don't do this to yourself

[potent whale]

I want that damn achievement

150 gamerpoints, man.

1 5 0 .

[narrow condor]

Hahaha

You can check Doom Wiki for spoilers on each map.

[potent whale]

Ok I'm a dummy I just found out you gotta go to one of the doors near spawn

[odd slate]

what music do you like to play in background if not the original music on the first doom?

[potent whale]

Kirby music
(Kirby Planet Robobot: Dark Matter theme specifically)

[odd slate]

lol

[wide sinew]

How do you access the secret levels in "Revolution!"? I checked the wiki, and none of the pages for any of the maps detailed how to access them in any of the "secrets" sections.

[azure nimbus]

one of the latter maps has ||an invisible bridge to the yellow key||. look, it's kinda goofy goober these levels I mean

[azure nimbus]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/MAP15:_Battleground_(Revolution!) sorry if this isn't enough detail. I haven't played it but it seems good. Maybe the fandom was lacking? doomwiki is usually better than the fandom

[wide sinew]

I usually use DoomWiki, not Fandom. Guess I just missed it.

[azure nimbus]

how's the mapset so far anyway? It is getting near the time where I need more levels

[wide sinew]

It's pretty good. Has a lot of "Doomcute" objects, like basketball courts and trucks.

And the first level is a train

[azure nimbus]

oh it's part of unity's addons interesting

[wide sinew]

Yeah

It was just added on the 18th

And they included the MIDI pack for it baked into it.

Can't access the 33rd level that came with the MIDI pack on consoles tho unfotunately, cuz it requires the command prompt

[azure nimbus]

not even with level select? shame. Least you can do it on pc

[wide sinew]

No, the level select only goes up to 32 sadly.

Tho to be fair, the exit is bugged, so you have no choice but to kill yourself once you reach the end anyways

[azure nimbus]

I wonder if it's less command prompt limitation and more of a umapinfo thing

[slim willow]

remember guys use doomwiki.org

[dapper flint]

Fandom

[jade solstice]

No rest is now on doom 1 and revolution! Got added to 1- idk if that’s on 2 though

[limber mirage]

No rest was added to 1?

Odd

[jade solstice]

Ye

[limber mirage]

Also ill need to update the list we got the more recent wad too

[jade solstice]

[slim willow]

is sigil on doom 2 at least?

[azure nimbus]

yes

[plain orbit]

Someone know how I can play custom IWAD like Plutonia II on brutal doom?

[slim willow]

use a launcher like ZDL and load the wad first maybe?

[dapper flint]

I wouldn't know

[halcyon willow]

same way you do with any other iwad

or any wad full stop for that matter

[slim willow]

nope you gotta do your little ritual first. sacrifice a few lambs

[halcyon willow]

yes, that is the standard operating procedure

[slim willow]

glad we could agree on something, bridge

[vale gyro]

You use lambs?

I use bulls

[slim willow]

lambs are easier to get

[vale gyro]

Bull just better bro

[plain orbit]

What is ZDL? is not like Zdoom?

[vast reef]

usually thrash or deathrash, but most of the time i just turn the music off if i don't wanna listen

[vast reef]

zdl is a launcher for zdoom

it stands for ZDoom Launcher i believe

[plain orbit]

But for open Plutonia II I need to take it and open it with Zdoom launcher, then I select Plutonia and the game opens.

But how I can open it with brutal doom?

[vale gyro]

I’m nowhere near an expert on this subject, but when I wake up a bit more, I’ll test something I think may work

Now, time to listen to some Motown to try to wake myself up

I just realized your using Plutonia 2, something I don’t have

But I tried it in Plutonia, try loading in the IWAD after brutal doom using a batch file/cmd

I’m assuming it is an IWAD

[vale gyro]

So while i’m waiting for this person to respond. I basically found my first secret in classic doom with no help

[halcyon willow]

put plutonia 2 and brutal doom in the load order

plutonia 2 is a pwad

[vale gyro]

oh

Two reasons I’m an idiot

1. I thought Plutonia 2 was a IWAD
2. I use batch files when I rarely use GZDOOM

And that concludes my slideshow

[halcyon willow]

lol

[vale gyro]

should add it’s the secret in E4M8 in the spawn area

Also minimal huds are cursed to me

I guess I’m used to Doom’s normal hud

[plain orbit]

You mean open first plutonia 2 and then brutal doom?

[vale gyro]

I did brutal doom first and it worked (also tested it with back to basics just in case it was not an IWAD)

though, I did use a batch file and not a loader as thats what I’m familiar with

if you want the command I used:

gzdoom.exe brutaldoom.pk3 -iwad <iwad here, duh> -file <plutonia 2>

at least similar of what I used

as I’m unsure of filenames and everything needed, just left them blank

except brutal doom, as I knew the filename (may have edited the filename from the original one though for easier writing in a command prompt)

[halcyon willow]

just dump whatever you want to load in the box. gg ez

[proud scarab]

I use GZDoom for this, but if you click plutonia, then CTRL and click brutal doom, you should be able to open them both

[azure nimbus]

plut2 is not an IWAD. You'll need to load plutonia as the IWAD and plut2 as a pwad. pwads are in the "External files" section of zdl(it's that way cuz sometimes pk3s are in there too)

[vital knoll]

To each their own, but Plutonia 2 is hot garbage

[narrow condor]

It's not great but I felt like it was a good homage to Plutonia. Haven't tried Plutonia Revisited yet myself.

[grave flower]

it took me nearly a month of grinding and dozens of re-attempts per later map, but I UV-Maxed all Sunlust maps on pistol start \o/

[vital knoll]

Plutonia = combat puzzle mastery Plutonia 2= slaughter maps

[grave flower]

Just finished God Machine with 6135 kills lol

[narrow condor]

Congrats!

[grave flower]

tyty

I haven't played a lot of WADs, just saw that Sunlust was super highly rated and powered through it

Any recommendations for what next?

[pearl osprey]

Amazing job

[narrow condor]

Yeah, I reckon it does rely on slaughter a bit too much. Have you tried the Chord series, by the way? It's got the tightest combat puzzles I've seen.

[grave flower]

Ooh, I'm into combat puzzles - finding now

A lot of sunlust felt like combat puzzles

like "kill in this order with this weaponry or die"sorta stuff?

[vital knoll]

Sunlust is a slaughter house

[grave flower]

Some maps were, but not a lot of them surprisingly

[vital knoll]

With good music and aesthetics

[grave flower]

20 was the first real slaughtery map, and I really didn't feel like it got insane until 24

[narrow condor]

I recommend Chord series (I say series because it's a bunch of single-map wads) to everyone who enjoys the cruel traps in Plutonia.

[grave flower]

Is Chord usually spelled CHORD?

Because if so, think I found/am trying it

Yup I'm on the right one

(saw your doom wiki link before it got zapped)

Sailor

[narrow condor]

That's one overzealous spam filter.

Anyway: https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Template:Chord_series

[grave flower]

I've downloaded all 5, looks like they're on different level slots so I can just plop all 5 in

and play it as an episode

[narrow condor]

His e-mail address is sailorm@... so he always notes in the readmes that it 'has nothing to do with Sailor Moon'. ;-P

[vital knoll]

It was dogshit by map 2 with mods.

[vast reef]

try playing it without mods

[vital knoll]

Nah.

[grave flower]

Well, dropping you in and making you first 2 skelebros is a heck of an intro

[vast reef]

but why

[vital knoll]

I'm already doing a vanilla run of TNT. Well, actually, its PSX Doom TNT CE

[vast reef]

i'm pretty sure it was designed to be played without them

[vital knoll]

I asked him moments after that if it was good with mods, he said yes.

Sadly, I disagreed,

[grave flower]

Probably depends on the mods

[vital knoll]

PB 3.0

[vast reef]

no, he just said mod compatible lmao

[vital knoll]

UDV

[grave flower]

Oh, yeah, it's like impossible to make tight gameplay with PB

[vast reef]

i don't think that's a reason

[vital knoll]

With the right wad, it slaps

[vast reef]

right wad

[grave flower]

Makes sense - it's radically different, I could see cool maps designed around it

I'm just imagining anything harder than Plutonia becomes a mess with it though

[vital knoll]

Eviternity? Awesome with PB 3.0

[grave flower]

Oh, I haven't tried Eviternity

[vital knoll]

Ohhh man

It's beautiful

[azure nimbus]

Eviternity is more casual difficulty compared to sunlust but is very high quality

[grave flower]

Only the last few maps of Sunlust are truly absurd

It was reasonable up til 24, except maybe 20

CHORD 2 done, I liked it a lot more than CHORD 1!

Maybe I'm just not a fan of tyson starts

threw me off groove for the whole map lol

But CHORD 2 was a nice 25ish minute romp

[azure nimbus]

are you playing saveless

[grave flower]

I did until 24

Then I grinded maps several times until savelessly going

highest attempts was 29 at like 120 deaths, 90 of which were in 30 seconds lol

[azure nimbus]

that's impressive, especially since these are some of your first pwads

[grave flower]

I've been playing doom since 93, even if it's not a ton of custom stuff, mostly UV-MAX speedrunning doom2

[azure nimbus]

nothing wrong with saving. you get to play more stuff of course

[grave flower]

yea

I have no strong opinions about saving, but when I do save I have two rules for myself:

#1: I like saveless runs, so I go back and do one eventually

#2: I only save when "no monsters are nearby" - aka I could afk and be fine

And I'll start saving if I wipe on a fight more than a couple times

[narrow condor]

Saving is my cheat of choice. :-P

[azure nimbus]

some stuff like sunlust18(the open map with pains at the end), you never get that break

[grave flower]

Oh yeah, Mu

with the key hunt during all of it

scared the shit out of me first play lol

"oh open areOH ITS NOT OPEN

[azure nimbus]

it's all whenever you're content with a map

[grave flower]

Once I cleared the outside though, and didn't get trolled by viles,, the final fight was not that bad though

off my memory, imps + revs + spiderdemon to use as cover

But yeah the outside took a good 4 or 5 attempts

[dapper flint]

One of the best wads this year and you think it's dog shit. Lost cause

[azure nimbus]

he was playing with mods..

[vital knoll]

It's a slaughter map, buddy.

[grave flower]

Yeah, slaughter and mods don't generally play nice

I should pop sunlust into God Complex LOL

[vital knoll]

Running that shit on a 3080 and was getting frame drops lol

[dapper flint]

You shouldn't I have a older card. It functioning better with vulkan. I wouldn't say it's slaughter. 500 enemies and 100 km maps even themselves out

[grave flower]

What map are we debating? I can pop it open and see if I like it

I want a break before CHORD 3

[azure nimbus]

this trifecta is "slaughter means bad," "big maps, including lost civ, are automatically slaughter", and playing stuff not meant for mods with mods

[dapper flint]

You dont get 1000 monsters until map 20 so no clue

But map 3 is a good test for your rig

[grave flower]

Oh, Plutonia 2?

[dapper flint]

Not many monsters but very large

No it's called lost civilization

[vital knoll]

We’ve been over those. I was told it would work fine with mods.

[grave flower]

I'll try it some time

But I think Eviternity's calling to me

Should I play it on UV?

[azure nimbus]

yeah evit is easier than sl but not really within reasonable -fast range

[grave flower]

Yeah, last time I did Plutonia I did -fast and it was fun

(except map32, but I was much worse at cybie fights back then)

I know so much more about enemy AI than I ever wanted to now LOL

[azure nimbus]

it's ok to play with mods generally. but you really can't judge balancing from the levels at that point. playing plutonia with supercharge then finding it too hard doesn't mean that plut is too hard

[azure nimbus]

deciiino

[vital knoll]

PB 3.0's enemy behavior is extremely aggressive even on HMP. It makes Lost Civilization slaughter-like because every enemy on the map is capable of throwing a projectile at you once you're noticed. I'll give it a fair vanilla go at some point. But PB's gun play is tough to pass up.

[narrow condor]

The reason Sunlust is noticeably difficult is that Ribbiks doesn't like that UV has become the 'standard' difficulty where everything lower is for newbies. He says (loosely paraphrased) HMP should be the hard difficulty and UV should be the 'even harder' difficulty.

[grave flower]

He did a Plutonia -fast run? 😮

Guy's a god, I'ma go watch

Also I'm making a video series because Decino told me to

Which is basically, "what weapon should you use, and when?", aka, "What weapons are good against which enemies?", aka, "Which weapon to use is situational - so I will explain every decision factor that exists for choosing which weapon to use"

[narrow condor]

Sounds like a great idea.

[grave flower]

Trying to decide if I should go weapon-by-weapon, or enemy-by-enemy, or a mixture

I plan to assign sort of a grade to each weapon+enemy combination, for how good that weapon is for fighting that enemy

(with a range titration for shotgun/SSG)

I've also got some cool math - stuff like, "how big of a blob of enemies do you need to justify a BFG, for every enemy type?"

(fun fact: for imps it's 40)

[narrow condor]

You could also present scenarios and ask 'what should you reach for here?'

[grave flower]

I plan to do that as an applied lesson at the end of the series

Sort of a, "How do you apply the model we've learned?" trials

I plan to mostly focus on maps with multiple legitimate weapon choices

with a focus on things like safety, time-to-kill, blob management

Oh, I should grade on safety too

TTK, safety, ammo efficiency

those are the 3 big heuristics I think

[azure nimbus]

it depends on so many factors. Like sometimes, it is smart to rocket cybers because you only have a few bfg shots left and you need them for the next room. imo biggest thing to stress is that these are just examples of the thought process and they might differ depending on the map

[grave flower]

I actually beat Sunlust without ever rocketing a cyber

I hate it so much, I know it's right sometimes TTK-wise, but god is it ammo inefficient

And yeah, those so-many-factors is what I plan to bring up

I wanna watch Decino's sunlust playthrough fully (just saw map30 which convinced me to try it) and see if he makes all the same weapon decisions I did

Oh, something I found people have strong opposing opinions on - do you like rocketing cacos?

[azure nimbus]

he makes, and I hate to call out our king debeebo, a silly decision early on

[grave flower]

On 30, or in general/

[azure nimbus]

He does the ssg room early on. I wait until I get the bfg so it's easy

[dapper flint]

If I get the chance ssg always before rockets. Even if I'm rocket stacked. Just not enjoyable

[grave flower]

He did SSG first?

[azure nimbus]

of sunlust 30. Rocketing cacos is frustrating since they fly away

[grave flower]

wtf? so he just SSGed the cybie down?

[azure nimbus]

yeah...

[grave flower]

How did he kill the archviles?

[azure nimbus]

it accounted for the majority of his deaths, hoping that the cyber would hit them

[grave flower]

oh my god he infought them

LMAO ok

[azure nimbus]

ssg is the ammo save weapon imo

[grave flower]

I wished I had the SSG during the pain elementals, but not as badly as I bet he wished he had the BFG

SSG is just the best default weapon

[azure nimbus]

nahhhh the pains are so far away, I'm chaingunning them

[grave flower]

Technically it's plasma, and if plasma and BFG had separate ammo pools it would be plasma, but SSG is just so efficient

Your pains stayed way? Mine fucking flew up to me and got mollywopped by the barons

in most of my runs anyway

[azure nimbus]

yellow key fight right?

[grave flower]

Yeah, with the radsuits + cyber + mancubi after

[azure nimbus]

I hugged the left wall so I could focus on one side without the other side seeing me

[grave flower]

oh that makes sense then

map 30 was very generous with the megaspheres, so besides the second-to-last fight it felt easier than 29 or 28, and I just brave-boi'd that fight

I think I usually snacked on one of the secret spheres for that

[hexed escarp]

can you play corruption cards with software rendering?

or will some things not show up right

[azure nimbus]

God Machine was definitely easier than 28 and 29

[grave flower]

28 normal is not that bad, but the secret fights lead to secret fights lead to secret fights @_@

idk if God Machine was easier - it was so long

It was definitely fairer

fuck the intro to 29

RNG bullshit fiesta

I still don't know what the expected strats for that fucking room are lol

Actually no, the true RNG bullshit fiesta was 32

the archviles can just choose that you die and there's nothing you can do about it if they flood in fast enough

[azure nimbus]

only acceptable due to the short length

[grave flower]

I do see why 29 got so high on the top 100 list, it's very creative and beautiful

[prime lava]

32 isn't RNG :^)

[grave flower]

DISAGREE!

XD

But god I could not hate the gameplay more, at least until the outdoor area and the spinning wall room

[prime lava]

yeah I guess it's either a love it or hate it map

used to dislike it but it grew on me

[grave flower]

I love everything besides the first fight

It didn't grow on me after 90 of 102 deaths were to room 1 lol

The map as a whole though, yeah, was fantastic

man, Eviternity's very pretty

map 3 now and loving it

[dapper flint]

It was well done. It's definitely not on my top 5 anymore though

[grave flower]

This makes me want to map

I think I could make Sunlust-style complex combats

I have an idea for a map set, too

which is based on my fantasy of what a true human-built heaven could look like

(and how it could be corrupted)

[vital knoll]

Jesus Christ Golden Souls 1 is so fucking good

[ornate vortex]

as someone that’s tried doom mapping, the more maps you make, the better your skills are

and there’s quite a lot to learn if you wanna be very detailed

[grave flower]

Yeah, just gotta find the hours

[grave flower]

I also need to mod doom to do it, since the plans I have will require light re-balancing to not be cancerous to play

I want archviles to die in 4 rockets guaranteed, and revenants in 2

low-rolling makes combat puzzles have to be too openly designed

[azure nimbus]

the 1/256 revenant

[grave flower]

HAS FUCKED ME MORE THAN ONCE

AND THAT IS MORE THAN ONCE TOO MANY

[azure nimbus]

I got a 2 punch caco yesterday which was p cool

[grave flower]

that's disgusting

double max

1 in 100 if truly RNG lol

[azure nimbus]

nah all skill

[grave flower]

Maybe doom with flat damage would be boring, idk

I know that in maps big enough it averages out

[azure nimbus]

try the supercharge mod. It makes a lot of other replacements, but one change is removing random damage

[grave flower]

but man is not killing a vile in 1 BFG blast sad

hmm okay

[azure nimbus]

it's used in the mapwhich2. Well, you're never low rolling that hard. That's just missing

[grave flower]

Well yeah, at least partially

But I've definitely shot into 3 viles perfectly with 0 kills, it can happen with a chunk of min rolls

Actually nah, must've been 4

[azure nimbus]

yeah. while the bfg always does(or at least the vast majority of the time? idk the min roll but it's over 2k) enough to deal the 2100 damage to kill 3 viles, when there are three, you can't guarentee that all the damage goes where it needs to

[grave flower]

minroll's 2k

2060 I think to be exact, and it never minrolls because RNG is fake

[azure nimbus]

as fake as a 256 long table is, doom RNG plays almost identically to Boom's more fleshed out RNG

except I suppose, ssg being a lil better on doom

[grave flower]

CHORD 4 and 5 done - fun miniseries!

Back to Eviternity

[narrow condor]

What I enjoyed the most about Chord is that it helped me get better at melee.

Boxing multiple revenants or punching out a roaming archvile

[grave flower]

Yeah, a lot more tyson than I'm used to

It was fun, but man are revs way easier to punch out than barons

[odd slate]

guys

i've just finished e2m6 of the first doom

it took me an hour

A WHOLE hour

why was it so difficult

im dumb as hell

[grave flower]

probably the spectre

Did you find the map?

[azure nimbus]

hardest map in doom1993(not udoom)

[odd slate]

nope

[odd slate]

what's u doom

but i was playing on hurt me plenty

why tf was it so hard

[dapper flint]

You just need to practice. When I was a kid I also played on hurt me

[grave flower]

Secrets help a ton if it was ammo outages

Tab for mapping

[azure nimbus]

ultimate doom is the 4 episode doom1 which was sold since 1995

[odd slate]

oh ok

[grave flower]

It contains Heck Beneath

[odd slate]

idk these things

i've just entered the community

[grave flower]

welcome 😄

You'll be destroying UV-max runs in no time

[odd slate]

like i play doom from4/5 years but entering the community rn

like 4 days ago

[azure nimbus]

You'll notice e4 being harder than the first 3 episodes. so I think it helps to differentiate them

[odd slate]

i making a run on doom eternal on nightmare

and i finished my first run on UV xD

[grave flower]

v nice

[drowsy vigil]

hellooo

i just got a cientific fx 991 la plus casio calculator

i wanna see if anyone knows how to install doom on it

its ummm..

for a school work...

[odd slate]

idk if you can run doom on a fx991

it must be a graphic calculator

[cloud rune]

I want to run doom in my friend left kindey

[dapper flint]

Step one is get a friend

[azure nimbus]

more realistically, an enemy of you want their kidney

[drowsy vigil]

step two tell them to go to ur house to have dinner

step three...

dont make dinner

[vale gyro]

How to lose friends/family for dummies

The essential guide to getting that one annoying friend or family member off your back

[grave flower]

Is Sunder fun?

[plain orbit]

I readed the Brutal Doom manual and adding the commans @echo off
start zandronum.exe -file brutalv21.pk3 -file pl2.wad works

Just saving it as a .bat file

[narrow condor]

It's certainly influential but I'd say only some people would find it fun. It popularised the modern school of slaughter map design but the fights are generally really raw, unpolished and tedious, in my opinion.

Especially the first batch of maps.

[odd slate]

bruh just beaten the cyber-demon at the second try

hurt me plenty

e2m6 was more difficult

[hexed escarp]

Yeah the boss fights in doom 1 are very underwhelming

[odd slate]

i remember my first run

i had a lot of struggle beating the spider mastermind

[ornate vortex]

I'm struggling to getting a scrolling floor to only work when a linedef has been crossed

anyone know how to do that?

Explanation is that i'm making this level with a giant tree

and I have partial invisibilities on the scrolling floor, and once a certain linedef has crossed, the invisibilities will appear on the ground underneath the tree to resemble fruits falling

[narrow condor]

Usually you just block things on the belt with walls that move out of the way once the linedef is crossed.

[ornate vortex]

didn't think of that

thank you

it ended up working, but I had to do the doors in a very specific way

[hexed escarp]

The doom engine is so wonky lol

[narrow condor]

No problem. You can check out existing Boom wads to see how they make things like timers, delayed teleporters, feeding items to voodoo dolls etc out of conveyor belts.

[spice radish]

Lilith.pk3

Wasn’t that the name of it? Some trippy Doom mod meant to show how fucked GZDoom is?

[hexed escarp]

idk i dont use gzdoom

[vast reef]

it exploited a buggy version of zdoom

wouldn't work on the current gzdoom version of its time

gzdoom creator whined hard about it

[spice radish]

Yeah I watched a video about that

Pretty funny how mad he was about it

[narrow condor]

You don't even need to go beyond Boom to get wonky mechanics.

[slim willow]

Don't need to go beyond the original dos exes for wonky mechanics.

[azure nimbus]

doom is still stable compared to modern games

[narrow condor]

I suppose the difference is that we try to make sense of everything the Doom engine throws at us.

Which would be hopeless with modern engines.

[azure nimbus]

in doom eternal, sticky bombs deal more damage if the last attack before they explode was a headshot. So if you hit a wall but then flame belch(counts as a headshot)

maybe the worst engine bug doom has that shows up accidentally is that enemies only have a1/2 chance to be awoken by damage. unless you count strafing in general lol

[narrow condor]

Strafing is definitely a feature. ;-P

[vale gyro]

le no chicken’s infamous rival

[vale gyro]

especially any Bethesda game

Man, never had classic doom crash

But have had Fallout 4 crash at least once

And I know when I start playing New Vegas it’s gonna crash every hour or so

[grave flower]

Oh, Sunder's not even finished

bleh, I'm racist against unfinished wads

[narrow condor]

I don't think Sunder will be finished within this decade.

[grave flower]

Think it'll finish before Mordeth?

[narrow condor]

Hmm

Possibly actually.

Insane Gazebo released the first 14 maps in 2009 and just disappeared soon after.

Returned a decade later to slowly put out six more.

Or seven? Not sure.

Either way, I don't think we're going to see it completed any time soon.

[halcyon willow]

No, it just exploited/hacked certain code elements. It works on the final zdoom version (2.8 iirc).

[vast reef]

oh

i thought it was for a specific zdoom version since terminusest13's review said "now defunct", but then i remembered zdoom is defunct

[halcyon willow]

Lol

Yeah it's largely deprecated at this point. I know the odd person that still uses it

[azure nimbus]

mtpain uses zdoom,

[dapper flint]

He sure does. Loves it

[vast reef]

wait he actually uses zdoom?

i thought he was just referring to gzdoom when he said that

damn

[hexed escarp]

can you load pk3s in commandline with gzdoom?

[narrow condor]

Yeah, just -file

[azure nimbus]

is it possible that he is mistakenly saying gzdoom? Yeah but unlikely imo

[dapper flint]

He did mention that he was using gz in struggle but had to switch to another port because gz wasn't handling it properly

[ornate vortex]

I'm guessing Prboom+

It's either GZDoom or Prboom+

[grave flower]

Ì play almost exclusively on Zandronum

because I like doomseeker

Also, just played Intergalactic Xenology 2, and I really, really liked it

The entire map is beautiful, the custom mobs aren't too overbearing, and it's a solid D in difficulty

The only remotely tricky fight was the last arena, if you can call 24 revs and basically nothing else challenge

But it was a well put-together fight

[hexed escarp]

oh cool I didnt think that worked

ig i never tried it but i just remember people saying that you have to drag it over the executable

[grave flower]

You can also force Windows to use the .exe as the wad's chosen file processor, so I just double-click a wad to open it up

Just gotta choose that Open With setting

[hexed escarp]

i knew you could use -file with wads, i just didnt think it worked for pk3s

[wispy snow]

Hmmmmm

[vale gyro]

you can’t inject it straight into crispy as a doomhack that I’m aware of

but, I know you can use the -deh parameter

[hexed escarp]

Yeah you can’t inject it into the exe but crispy has the capability of loading deh files on runtime using the -deh parameter in command line

For example, crispy-doom -deh coolmod.deh

[plain orbit]

Someone know about Doom mods or IWADs that are maded for playing co-op?

[hexed escarp]

All four commercial doom iwads have been modified to be played in coop

They all have coop spawns and the maps also have some extra enemies and items that only show up in coop

[plain orbit]

But another one does not exist?

[vale gyro]

I think the idgames archive has some

[shrewd ermine]

can someone helpl me get wads for doom 2

[finite crag]

Most of them can be found on doomworld, and wad archive.

[plain orbit]

Custom WADs or wdym?

[halcyon willow]

there are heaps of coop compatible doom wads

[finite crag]

guys im kinda running low on empty save files in PRBoom+ how do i increase it

[limpid zinc]

There’s a way to pass in a save file as a command line parameter which can let you use a different save file for each mod you use

[opal falcon]

So, has anyone attempted to play Doom II on a PlayStation recently? Because the last time I did, it crashed.

And I'm not sure if it's still messed up.

[azure nimbus]

easy thing to do is redownload/copy your engine into a new folder to save more saves there. Or you can use woof or dsda that hold a lot more saves. some 64 on woof and 7 * 16 on dsda

[odd slate]

just beaten the spider mastermind

[azure nimbus]

das gambing.

[regal pike]

starting doom (1993) on PS4—are the “add-ons” really just more free content by other people?

[azure nimbus]

Most of them are. plutonia and tnt were bought by ID way back in the 90s but created by non-ID employees and were sold together as Final Doom. Sigil is made by John Romero but way after his time at ID(when he designed much of doom) but the rest is made by fans. If you're interested in more fan content, you can download more stuff on pc

[regal pike]

honestly incredibly cool they included that. i’m so used to mods being limited to PC that i didn’t expect anything like that

potential hours of extra content

gotta beat base game first tho

honestly very cool to play this after only having played 2016/Eternal. shows how they fleshed out enemies

[azure nimbus]

the AI is definitely more basic here, but that also means that it's more predictable and they infight so in some ways it's more deep

[regal pike]

plus for me, the simplicity actually is more difficult since i’m used to having all this crazy shit. so far, i have like 2 solid gun choices to even consider bringing to a fight and no jump, just cover

[azure nimbus]

oh yeah having lots of tools, especially verticality and weapon swapping can be crazy

[regal pike]

it’s such a different game

really though, i’m smitten that fan content is integrated into the game. the main campaign seems fairly quick, a level is like 5-7 minutes at most so definitely considering the add-ons

[glacial junco]

Any thoughts on brutal doom extended edition?

or the mod overall

[dapper flint]

It gets mixed reactions. Mostly negative here

[rapid pulsar]

Thats a bad fucking idea

[dapper flint]

Yeah definitely a bad idea

That's a good way to go to jail

[narrow condor]

The Doom community is almost entirely focused on the fan content, since finishing the base material is the first thing a player does. When someone says they're playing Doom, chances are that they mean they're playing a custom wad.

There's a whole culture built around Doom mapping, with its artistic movements, opposing schools of design, community projects, tropes and clichés, signature styles, awards, analytical works and so on.

[regal pike]

lots to dive in to!

first gotta beat campaign tho

[azure nimbus]

even then, you have lots you can do. going for 100 % on whatever difficulty, doing pistol start or not, so on

[bleak elbow]

any one up for doom deathmatch?

[shut rapids]

Anyone here have doom on ps3?

[finite crag]

Finish the game on nightmare

[odd slate]

gg

im going with my first run at UV

on the first doom

[solar egret]

guys

classic doom battle royale 🤯 😯 😲

[vale gyro]

I’m over here feeling bad because I save scummed through dead simple in doom 2

Hmm, autocorrect screwing me over again

[azure nimbus]

ik this seems silly, but try strafing counterclockwise around mancs.

[vale gyro]

Now tricks and traps is screwing me

And I’m refusing to save scum rn

A 5 year old did better than me

Mainly because idk where to go

Had to save scum once because my control key decided to keep firing so I died to my own rocket

That’s one of the few times I save scum no matter what

When my input is bugged

[dapper flint]

Mancubus have a clear pattern for their attacks. Once you get it down you can dodge a couple pretty consistently

[vast reef]

enemies don't make up for the buffed weapons

gore is decent

not a very fun mod to play

[odd slate]

im the only one that prefers the first doom?

to the second

i find it more enjoyable idk why

[reef wraith]

I find first doom more enjoyable too

Idk why though

[dull portal]

Honestly I like first DOOM more
I just prefer the level design more and I find DOOM 1 to be more fun for some reason

[odd slate]

exactly

[vale gyro]

I like doom 1, as long it’s not E4

[odd slate]

whats e4

[dull portal]

Thy Flesh Consumed I guess

[odd slate]

oh ok

thy flesh consumed is hard as fuck

[dull portal]

TFC was fine for me.
Except Romero's levels.....

[odd slate]

i find doom 1 more enjoyable i think for levels

they're better

[dull portal]

And more memorable

[odd slate]

and more "smooth" to play

[odd slate]

yeah exactly

[dull portal]

And I find DOOM 2 to be kinda annoying. I'm spending way too much time on looking for exit and keys. And don't get me started on Archviles, Pain Elementals and Chaingunners

[odd slate]

exactly

keys are too fking annoying in doom 2

never beaten doom 2

archviles are pain xD

[dull portal]

I haven't beaten DOOM 2 too, I'm on Level 26 currently. But... I'm playing with Brutal Doom mod, because I wanted to try some mods. I've actually played through No Rest For Living, it was enjoyable, except level 6.

[azure nimbus]

Do consider playing vanilla doom as well, even if it's in non-vanilla levels