#classic-doom

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hexed escarp
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ok weird dehacked question

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does the codepointer run at the beginning or end of the duration of the frame that it is a part of

desert robin
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Describe the Doom 1 theme in a phrase:

cinder ibex
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underused

vocal summit
narrow condor
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Shotgunning barons

dapper flint
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Bobby

finite crag
azure nimbus
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was that ever in maybe multiplayer server loading back in the day? The spinning caco as far as I'm aware is only on particular ports

plain orbit
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Someone know how I can play Plutonia II with ZDoom 2.8?

narrow condor
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$ gzdoom -iwad PLUTONIA.WAD -file PL2.WAD -deh PL2.DEH

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(I always load the provided deh/bex manually even on GZDoom if the readme doesn't mention that DeHackEd data is also built into the pwad.)

plain orbit
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Well I try with ZDoom 2.2 what will happen? bugs?

narrow condor
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Considering it came out in 2008 and was tested on ZDoom 2.1, playing of the game will happen, I'm guessing.

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Not sure why you'd use ZDoom in 2022 rather than a maintained fork though.

vocal summit
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i'm almost 100% sure it'll work

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also why are you using zdoom 2.2

narrow condor
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Yeah, I don't see how anything could go wrong.

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There could be bugs unrelated to the gameplay that got patched in the following versions, I guess.

plain orbit
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My pc suck so if I use GZDoom the game runs slower

narrow condor
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Try LZDoom then, it's a ZDoom fork that follows GZDoom trunk for new features but is optimised for lower end computers.

vocal summit
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lzdoom is deprecated lmao

dapper flint
narrow condor
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Is it?

vocal summit
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use GLES in gzdoom

narrow condor
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The last version came out in April 2022

vocal summit
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it should run

dapper flint
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Also open gles will help with performance issues

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There's a few tricks you can do to help with that. My classic doom pc Is around 7 years old

narrow condor
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My mistake, it's the last published build, rather than version.

plain orbit
vocal summit
dapper flint
narrow condor
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Rest in peace, LZDoom.

vocal summit
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now the only potato option is zandronum

narrow condor
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Wasn't there another legacy fork for old computers?

vocal summit
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which is like shooting yourself in the foot since it's only compatible with like 4 mods

vocal summit
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unless you're talking about qzdoom

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which is like a testing ground for gzdoom features

narrow condor
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Ah, I was thinking of ZDoom LE.

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Which also appears to be dormant.

vocal summit
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there's zdoomGL

dapper flint
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My old ass pc can do things like sunder and okuplok no problem so a 2016 pc shouldn't have any issues

vocal summit
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still not compatible with many things but it should work?

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i guess you can use like

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an ancient version of nashgore

narrow condor
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And ZDoom CL, apparently? drfrag sure likes his ZDoom forks.

vocal summit
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ZDoom32, ZDoomCL, ZDoomLE and csZDoom

narrow condor
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Until a couple years ago, I was using GZDoom with the OpenGL backend on a PC I put together in 2010 and it only mildly struggled with open spaces with lots of visible detail.

vocal summit
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i only get lag in gzdoom if i play a brutal mod (the reason is quite obvious)

dapper flint
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Punching is nice in gz. I'll give it that

narrow condor
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I swear by GZDoom despite being a gameplay traditionalist because it's so configurable and flexible.

vocal summit
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if i want to play vanilla doom i just use either crispy or retro honestly

dapper flint
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Yeah gz is a must. For my 2 ports it's eternity and gz

narrow condor
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I mean, I do play Boom-compatible wads still. (Surely no one's that traditionalist! :-P) Just without any gameplay mods and with crunchy textures, minimal effects etc.

vocal summit
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honestly i think i anger half of the doomworld community as soon as i turn on jumping in a map that disables it

dapper flint
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I still use colorblood just because I like caco and hellknight corpse and blood matching

vocal summit
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cblood.pk3 my beloved

dapper flint
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Oh yeah baby

vocal summit
narrow condor
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Hahah

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I'm too used to the default red blood to change anything, rather than out of purism. :-P

slim willow
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can confirm. the sight of modded doom sends me into so much of a panic that i end up in the emergency room. every time. in fact i can feel a heart attack coming on as i type

vocal summit
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it just feels kinda wrong

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but it's not that drastic of a change

narrow condor
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I'll give it a try then!

vocal summit
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not sure if nashgore is necessary but i used it

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it's not

plain orbit
azure nimbus
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plut2 is a compat set. Consider using DSDA for it

azure nimbus
vocal summit
dapper flint
vocal summit
azure nimbus
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: (

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I'll play my 10 min of pirate doom, or enter the mapwich(large conversions on gz) every week, but I do admit to not regularly playing heavy gameplay mods, generally disliking gameplay mods without accompanying levels, and playing on dsda strict demo compatability(even having colored blood off because technically that isn't valid for speedruns). The vanilla jank is where it's at

dapper flint
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Don't speed run anyways so meh

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Chonk eternal

azure nimbus
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I'm fine with demo compat with colored blood usually, but Fractured Worlds 05 has no UVmax submitted on DSDA so I gotta get in the habit of making everything demo perfect in case I beat it. I haven't actually played that level with monsters so have no idea whether I can do it

dapper flint
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How are your attempts going bro?

narrow condor
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I quite like GZDoom's collision detection with hitboxes and switches myself.

azure nimbus
# dapper flint How are your attempts going bro?

I've never played the map with monsters lol. I gotta relax after beating map04. These are stressful, so gotta pace. I mean that I'm proud of beating map04 in some 200 attempts, as in that's faster than I thought it would be. These are not easy.

dapper flint
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But you'll be proud to have done it when you do. No better feeling

azure nimbus
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so people on the DSDA discord describe map05 as nearly impossible -- Nirvana says that "it's not too bad other than one fight"

dapper flint
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Things are always impossible until someone does it lol

finite crag
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Yes

nocturne swallow
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wew

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playing going down wad with johnny brutal doom mod,never felt this much fun

finite crag
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Nice

cloud talon
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Ngl deeznut.wad from maximum doom really pushes the doom engine to its limit

slim willow
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deeznut.wad is Doom map perfection

low ore
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okay I think it's time to finish nemesis macrocosm

low ore
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I have my own ball of death fuck you

amber zinc
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who wnts to play some doom?

devout imp
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how do i change my keybinds

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and how do i play with mouse too

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like the current mouse controls are weird i dont like them

pearl osprey
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it depends on which source port you're using

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if you want mouselook use GZDoom

azure nimbus
dapper flint
hexed escarp
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how is eviternity so good

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im on map09 and it is so so good

dapper flint
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It has some quality maps. Some stinkers later on though

hexed escarp
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I can't wait to get to the custom final boss

azure nimbus
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if there is one bad level in Eviternity

hexed escarp
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I just love the concept of a new boss

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Also, what is the purpose of the muzzle flash of the weapons

dapper flint
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And you know it

azure nimbus
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if there's one bad level, it's most likely the boss fight(and maaybe map05). Muzzle flash lights up the room and actually affects lighting. It can help in an otherwise dark room

dapper flint
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I like the boss fight. Dehydration is ass though. Complete slog. Played it 3 times now

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Just can't seem to enjoy it

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The final fight is fun though

azure nimbus
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I uh...I don't like that part of dehydration lmao

dapper flint
hexed escarp
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Is map31 of Eviternity long? I know map32 is enormous but how long is 31

dapper flint
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31 isn't bad

dapper flint
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Really love that map actually. All the gold lava

azure nimbus
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it's a skillsaw level

hexed escarp
dapper flint
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Maybe 2 hours for you or more

azure nimbus
# hexed escarp ok, and in comparison to that, how long is anagnorisis, and do you think it is w...

map31 really isn't overly long at all. It's about normal length compared to other eviternity levels as far as I remember. Anagnorisis -- you're going to want to use saves. It honestly takes a lot of routing to get through at a reasonable pace.Maybe follow along with the wiki for secrets? It's a lot but yeah, maybe 2 h for a blind clear. map31 is definitely worth it. map32 is one of the longest maps that I'd defend so I think so, but know what you're getting into

hexed escarp
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im not good enough to beat the levels in one go and pistol start them when i die

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so ive been saving before each level and a bunch during the levels

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im in the middle of 9 atm

dapper flint
azure nimbus
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it isn't really all that hard other than the very teal area which I think is somewhat harder than the rest and maybe the ending. It's just a lot of level, but isn't super hard moment to moment, map32 i mean

dapper flint
azure nimbus
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if someone were to download shareware doom, should they play on cl2 or cl3? so those levels are played with cl3 nowadays, but shareware as a package is cl2? Or perhaps lower? I think I'd recommend cl3

cloud talon
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Such a shame final doom was the last doom game

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This series had so much potential but they just stopped

craggy tusk
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havent played this in a while

narrow condor
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I think Final Doom was a good finale for commercial releases before passing the torch to the modding community altogether, especially considering it was made by paid modders from the community rather than anyone from id.

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Plus, there's Sigil, for what it's worth. :-)

tacit remnant
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Yup.

devout imp
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how exactly am i supposed to strafe and shoot at the same time the alt+ctr+arrow key literally flips your screen

finite crag
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use a mouse

devout imp
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like with a mod

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or the janky ass mouse controls in the game

narrow condor
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What do you mean?

devout imp
# narrow condor What do you mean?

strafing and shooting in doom on pc has the same command which is used to flip your screen. which means i cant strafe and shoot at the same time which is really fucking difficult for me and i dont like the built in mouse controls which move your character too

narrow condor
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Oh, just disable lookstrafe.

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It's intended for those playing without a keyboard.

devout imp
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where do i find the option

narrow condor
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Mouse settings

devout imp
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wha

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where is that

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i dont see it anywhere im playing ultimate doom

narrow condor
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What source port are you using?

devout imp
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what the fuck is a source port

narrow condor
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What are you using to play Doom?

devout imp
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well uh
not steam
or any other purchasable meathod

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dont report me

narrow condor
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Yeah but what are you using?

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DOSBox?

devout imp
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i think so?

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wait lemme talk to you in dms

narrow condor
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Let's keep it here so others can chip in too.

devout imp
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i cant post images here

narrow condor
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Well, either way, I strongly recommend that you switch to a maintained source port like Chocolate Doom.

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Just copy over the wads and it should work and you won't need to deal with DOSDoom's config program.

devout imp
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man
what the fuck is a source port

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and what the fuck is a wad

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i just wanna play doom 😭

narrow condor
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There's a file called ULTIMATEDOOM.WAD in your installation that contains game data. Install Chocolate Doom and copy it over to... uhh not sure where it looks for wads.

azure nimbus
# devout imp man what the fuck is a source port

doom is an app for windows dos, a 90s operating system. It was limited then and now isn't even in use. "sourceports" let you play outside of dos by interpreting the code or some magic and remove vanilla limits(if you want).

A "wad" is a "where is all the data" file. it is the file that contains your sprites and sounds and levels. I think it has code for the logic as well but I'm not sure. IWADs are your doom1, doom, plutonia, tnt that are the basis for modding. PWADS, or patch wads are added on for modding

narrow condor
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NB: Wads don't contain game logic. Well, unless they contain scripts, I guess but that's a recent invention.

azure nimbus
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There are lots of videos(sobad, and doomkid, and I think dwars) on YouTube that go through how to use a sourceport and many other sources, possibly doomkid again that go over how to use dosbox doom.

The gist of using a port is buying the game on steam / happening to have the game already in some form.

Go through your files and find doom.wad and doom2. wad. person above says ultimatedoom.wad but I can't find that in my files and I have doom1.

put these files in some other doom folder shared by a doom launcher. sobad made one recently though I like zdl.
throw in a port in there as well. I like woof for example. dsda or gzdoom also work depending on what you're doing.

With zdl, they don't actually need to share a folder, they can be searched with the launcher to collect the wad files and port .

If you dont care about modding in any capacity, or don't yet at least, the steam version is good enough anyway@devout imp

devout imp
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i think i'd play without strafing

azure nimbus
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why?

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you decline the ability to move left and right? If you care about controller support, console versions, steam, eternity, gzdoom, and my preference, woof, all have it. Maybe you think strafe means something else?

slim willow
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dos moment

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novert
setup.exe and rebind to WASD

true smelt
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(I think you're playing Dos version, maybe using Dosbox or another Dos emulator)

sly oasis
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Alright... TNT Evilution, Last Call. Icon of Sin fight. WTF do I do? I just dumped a ton of rockets into its head, nada.

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Okay, NM, I got it. So silly.

azure nimbus
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3rd stair, yeah it doesn't line up with the texture as usual

wild pawn
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why is doom 2 master levels easy

azure nimbus
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they're just kinda "some maps" made in the 90s. Better levels have been made since

vivid vine
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Plutonia is the real master levels

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Fits Eternal's concept, really. Back in the day two of the best players around made a mapset and they would constantly edit a map if it wasn't hard enough for them

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Although people quickly tried to outdo it in difficulty

dapper flint
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And Dario playing sunder is hilarious

hexed escarp
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is this path necessary in map10 of eviternity

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i always take a shit ton of damage going thru here and it doesnt seem to bring me anywhere new so it just doesnt seem worth it but i cant tell if it is required to beat the level

dapper flint
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I can't see your picture

sly oasis
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Well, I wrapped TNT today; Plutonia up next, finally. Thankfully the last few TNT levels were pretty great.

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Round about 20 was terrible.

azure nimbus
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as much as I bash tnt, I do like the last few maps

hexed escarp
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i love that internally the mancubus is just called "fat"

gaunt lintel
hexed escarp
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is it just me or is e3m4 the hardest inferno level

azure nimbus
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agree, possibly the hardest preult doom1 level

hexed escarp
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i want to play thy flesh, but perfect hatred is the worst

azure nimbus
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There's always the Stephen Winterfeld jump to skip the annoying chainsaw section with the spectrs

hexed escarp
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im not even at that part yet

hexed escarp
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Omg doom remake 4 looks so cool, too bad it was banned

vocal summit
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it was a mishmash of stolen mods, and it was also sold with pirated iwads in some places

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also it looks like shit

hexed escarp
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Oh it was just mods, I thought it was a recreation in a different engine, that is significantly less cool

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I have recently been wondering what a modern day reimagining of doom would be like

vocal summit
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that's what it looks like

hexed escarp
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In a way yes, but modern doom plays significantly different from old doom

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The combination of glory kills and slower movement

opal falcon
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The Glory Kills are quite beautiful.

vocal summit
opal falcon
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Can't wait to fully experience them.

hexed escarp
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I want to see a reimagining that has more similar gameplay, but just overhauled visuals

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I mean a visual reimagination

vocal summit
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that's a remake

hexed escarp
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Ah ye ig

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But I just mean one that less strictly tries to stick to the exact original level geometry and art style but still keeps the same general layout and gameplay

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The only problem with that is that it can’t really load the levels from the wad anymore which makes it harder to prevent zenimax smackdown

dapper flint
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New doom translates from classic really well. Always feel at home between the 2. I will admit new doom is more of a classic and quake though

hexed escarp
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Idk I just find myself enjoying playing classic doom far more than new doom mostly just because of how the player handles differently between the two and I wish there was a way I could experience old doom but with modern day graphics

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I like beautiful graphics in games, but most of the games that I enjoy playing don’t have beautiful graphics

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I wonder what John Romero’s new fps is gonna be like

vocal summit
hexed escarp
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?

vocal summit
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still exists

hexed escarp
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Yeah but that’s probably because you still have to own a doom game to play it

vocal summit
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you don't need a doom game to play freedoom

hexed escarp
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Do you think they would strike down a remake of doom 1 that was made in unreal engine or something completely independent of the original game using no assets or level data from it but just had similar looking/acting enemies and very similar level layouts?

vocal summit
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literally described a fangame

hexed escarp
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Yeah, and some companies still strike down fan games (because they are dicks)

narrow condor
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I doubt it — they allow TCs that don't use Doom's assets after all.

hexed escarp
vast reef
low ore
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I still havent had time to finish this lol

low ore
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well then

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aaaand the save is corrupted

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that's a very sad end to this because I was almost done

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IT'S ALIIIIIVE AGAIN

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idk what I did but I guess it works again

jade solstice
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Can we get an emote of that dying doom guy

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Lol

hardy aurora
vast reef
hardy aurora
dapper flint
finite crag
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We´re on Mars? GREAT! Let´s fight against armies of demons! :´D

jade solstice
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I want the whole doom guy, helmet and all, defeated

storm abyss
dapper flint
half adder
hexed escarp
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wait, so the doom source release was for linuxdoom

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does that version stll run on modern linux computers?

narrow condor
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I'd be surprised if it did, really.

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Though maybe with modifications.

hasty nymph
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Are the add-ons in the PS4 port of doom 1 and 2 worth playing, and is doom 2 more balanced difficulty wise than Doom 1?

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If the add-ons are worth playing, which ones are the most worth playing?

narrow condor
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I assume the addons are the same across all Bethesda releases. If that's the case, yes, some of them are in fact highly acclaimed mods.

pearl osprey
narrow condor
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Such as Back to Saturn X.

pearl osprey
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there might be some fork somewhere that is cleaned up but even then it might not work on modern Linux systems

narrow condor
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And I'd say Doom 2 is more balanced than Doom mechanics-wise more than anything — better enemy roster and more balanced weapon arsenal.

hasty nymph
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Can you change the difficulty as you play in doom 2? I don't want it to get too difficult and just be screwed

narrow condor
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Nope. Difficulty is set in stone unless you start a new game.

hasty nymph
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Like I'd say doom 1 gets pretty damn hard in the last 3rd, and if that happens in doom 2 I don't think wanna be screwed

narrow condor
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I think it's part of the fun to try and adapt to the difficulty slope.

hasty nymph
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If I'm playing the last episode in doom 1 on not too rough, should I get by fine in doom 2 on hurt me plenty? I've played everything up to this point on hurt me plenty

narrow condor
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Doom 2 does have relatively difficult maps but I don't feel that any of them are punishing (eg necessitating grinding).

finite crag
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nirvana?

hasty nymph
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How about if I come across a single level that's too hard I use a cheat if I've tried many times to do it without cheats and failed, I think that might be good

narrow condor
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Sure, that works. If you can use the console, I'd just play up to the point where it feels too difficult, then restart with a lower difficulty and warp straight to the map left off.

hasty nymph
narrow condor
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I don't actually know how cheats work on consoles but I'm guessing there's an idclev counterpart somehow.

azure nimbus
narrow condor
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Oh

dapper flint
pearl osprey
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but it doesn't run sadly

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At first it looks like it's actually loading but then it errors out

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Chocolate doom is your best bet

cloud talon
hexed escarp
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well, actually i do have a raspberry pi running doom, but i just used chocolate

hexed escarp
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is there any way to run the non-compat version of sigil on prboom plus?

azure nimbus
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I think you'll just have to use the e3 compat version for prb+. DSDA and woof can run e5 version though. DSDA speedruns use the e3 version if that matters to you

hexed escarp
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do i need to do something special? do i just put it in the folder or smthn like crispy?

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oh it worked this time when i tried it, huuh

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idk why it didnt work before

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oh it worked in prb+ as well

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oh im dumb before i was trying to load it with doom2 by accident lmao

azure nimbus
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we must've done the same thing lamo

hexed escarp
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lol

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ok, weird question, is it possible to make it use the regular title screen and music, and use the regular intermission music for eps 1-4 but then use the sigil intermission music for ep5

azure nimbus
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that would be cool. I love all the sigil fanciness but it would feel more integrated into ultdoom

hexed escarp
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Crispy does it automatically

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You just put the non compat sigil wad into the crispy folder and load up doom.wad without specifying sigil, and it will automatically load sigil as the 5th episode and I’m pretty sure it only uses the sigil intermission music for sigil itself but I’m not sure

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Also am I the only one that prefers the James paddock ost over the buckethead one?

sick crane
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both are neat, however paddocks feels more fitting

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imo

hexed escarp
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Yeah

dapper flint
hasty nymph
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Final Fantasy ass sounding music

narrow condor
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I know, right?

hasty nymph
# narrow condor I know, right?

I'm on the 2nd map, and I just paused because I wanted to listen to the music, how often do you do that with other mods???

hexed escarp
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I’ve only played map01 of btsx and I found the music to be too calm for my likings, does the music get less mellow as you go on?

narrow condor
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It varies a lot, to be fair.

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@hasty nymph Wait, Stuart Rynn's Depth Charge?

dapper flint
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Waiting is my favorite midi. Don't mind calm

narrow condor
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That's so catchy. It reminds me of the default hold tune on Cisco IP phones: Opus No 1.

hasty nymph
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I'm on episode 1

narrow condor
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Ah, right.

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Okay, maybe they aren't as similar as I was imagining.

timid hinge
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I literally just beat the 2nd arena fight on Sunder map 3 on the first attempt without taking any damage. I don't know wtf just happened but I'm pretty sure I got possessed by the Doom gods for a brief moment

dapper flint
timid hinge
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I'm really curious what Sunder map 30 is gonna be like

dapper flint
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Idclev and see

timid hinge
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uh, it's not out yet

hasty nymph
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@narrow condor man, I love how BTSX both feels very difficult, and entirely doable at the same

timid hinge
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There's only like 20 something levels so far

dapper flint
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You should check out Darios sunder run. Super good time

hexed escarp
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I’ve seen people say that they don’t like John Romero for some reason, was there some sort of controversy with him at one point?

narrow condor
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Is it because he supports Ukraine in the war?

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The only other thing I can think of is his cheesy Daikatana commercials.

dapper flint
narrow condor
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My thoughts exactly.

azure nimbus
vast reef
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i remember somebody saying it's because they feel like he gets too much credit for the doom games

finite crag
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I'm playing Freedoom: Phase 1

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How do you guys feel about putting Spectres / Invisible Flesh Worms in very dimly lit areas

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Because my intuition tells me that's a massive mapper sin

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Oh fuck wrong channel lmao

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Not even a mod is infallible

azure nimbus
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I suppose freedoom counts, don't see why not. It's basically a doom mod. It can be p mean, especially since how visible spectres are is settings dependent

narrow condor
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I think it can be mean but it's not an uncommon technique — the original maps used it too, if I'm not mistaken. One of the few valid use-cases for light amplification goggles also. :-P

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It's more annoying in, say, maze-like structures. But, for instance, if I'm going down a dark and narrow tunnel full of spectres and if I have, say, berserk, it simply becomes a matter of punching them down based on audio cues without taking any damage, which is quite fun.

finite crag
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Surely it can't be as bad as putting an Archvile behind a wall of Mancubi

azure nimbus
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I think it's worse. I've been playing fractured worlds and I don't think that there has been a single spectre so far all the way into map05. Appreciate that

narrow condor
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I finally got around to finishing Alien Vendetta. I'd been putting off the last few maps for so long because I hate Icon of Sin finales.

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And I started playing No End in Sight. Moving from AV to an Ultimate Doom wad is such a downgrade that I couldn't get myself to play beyond the first two maps.

sleek mirage
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i discovered today that teleporting INSIDE a baron of hell instantly kills it

azure nimbus
narrow condor
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Sitting on teleporter destinations to stall the influx of monsters is a common tactic even.

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Telefragging is so much more fun when it's not intended by the mapmaker.

dapper flint
#

Accidentally fragging a archiesatisfacdoom

static rose
#

https://turbowarp.org/562691620 would probably be better if you played it on this

TurboWarp
ENDLESS DOOM!

https://turbowarp.org/562691620 PLAY ON TURBOWARP SO THINGS KEEP SPAWNING OTHERWISE SCRATCH CLONE LIMIT STOPS AMMO FROM SPAWNING

HP and ARMOUR drop to 0, you lose.
you have several guns.
/ / / / / / / READ CONTROLS BEFORE PLAYING!!!
1 for shotgun
2 for chaingun
3 for super shotgun
4 for rocket launcher
5 for plasma gun
6 for BFG-9000 (ha...

austere haven
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eng:hello esp:hola

static rose
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ok then

worldly garnet
#

GOTY

finite crag
#

Imagine your first day on mars

azure nimbus
#

which tnt or plut maps can be used to show off the teleporter issue?

strange nexus
#

Mm! These nuts!

static rose
somber jetty
#

can i use ultimate doom for brutal doom mod?

dapper flint
amber pelican
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Is it wierd that I am trying Doomworlds best 32 map megawads and getting 100% kills, items and secrets on the first level

azure nimbus
#

and items???

amber pelican
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?

azure nimbus
#

I don't think they're organized by difficulty. Just memorable and high quality. collecting 100 % items is a bit of a meme is all

dapper flint
sick crane
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Currently replaying sunlust after a year without touching doom. God this pack Is phenomenal

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On map 28 rn, this pack is easier than I remember it being

hexed escarp
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what does strict mode on woof mean, does it not maintain vanilla compatibility even with complevels unless this setting is turned on?

azure nimbus
hexed escarp
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oh ok

hexed escarp
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any tips on beating barrels o' fun?

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I don't know how to best get past the third room

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i just always end up being in the middle area with an absurd amount of lost souls

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I FUCKING HATE PAIN ELEMENTALS SO MUCH THEY SHOULD NOT EXIST HOLY CRAP

dapper flint
#

Hahahah nice

hexed escarp
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ok using the advice of the legendary bigmacdavis i was able to kill everything in the third room

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also, does autoaim have a max distance? it infuriatingly doesnt seem to work on far away enemies

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what the hell is this level lmao

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close quarters with a spiderdemon?

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i thought it was the city levels that sucked

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and chasm is next

dapper flint
hexed escarp
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i always forget that infighting exists lmao

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well whatever im done with that level

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i dont have the patience for the chasm rn tho so ima take a break

azure nimbus
# hexed escarp also, does autoaim have a max distance? it infuriatingly doesnt seem to work on ...

autoaim only works for about half of your hitscan range1024 u vs 2048 u. there is also a max angle of 58 deg. so a caco directly above you can't actually be hithitscan enemies have autoaim for their entire range. projectile enemies kinda have unlimited hitscan but it can occasionally have rounding errors. both you and hitscan monsters always target the closest shootable. but proj enemies aim for the target.so if you line up yourself, caco, chaingunner, even if the caco is very high, the cg will hit the caco. imp fireballs will pass under however

sleek mirage
worldly garnet
static rose
#

thanks

finite crag
#

Does anyone here play classic Doom portably? If so can anyone recommend a good handheld to play PrBoom on?

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I have a Retroid 2+ but the form factor is not ideal at all.

narrow condor
#

Honestly, the only time I played Doom on a mobile device, I had to use a Bluetooth keyboard and a mouse because everything was so uncomfortable otherwise.

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Although it was still much easier to deal with than other FPSes I tried.

ornate vortex
#

I play on nintendo switch when im going abroad, but it uses the unity port which i don’t like

dapper flint
#

Yeah unity isn't the best. It's a neat thing to have if you just want to relax though

azure nimbus
#

I always feel like unity has weird lighting. Maybe it uses opengl or something? idk

pearl osprey
#

The steam deck looks especially appealing although a bit more in the pricey side

finite crag
#

Yeah I just don't have that much money. Anything cheaper? All I'm planning to run is PrBoom and maybe some emulation if possible.

dapper flint
finite crag
#

Well no yeah I know that. I've got a ROG laptop. I'm moreso looking for a handheld that I can play Doom on. I have a Retroid but as I said the form factor isn't ideal.

hexed escarp
hexed escarp
#

are any of the levels in sigil harder than perfect hatred?

dapper flint
hexed escarp
#

ok

sick crane
#

e4m6>e4m2

vernal gulch
#

e4m2 is easier to get mad at

vocal summit
dapper flint
radiant condor
sleek mirage
#

sigil is awesome

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but tfc is pain

zenith berry
#

My issue with Doom Unity is that the menu wouldn’t correspond to the ones used in the I/PWADs, instead resorting to the default Doom one.

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So even if you play on REKKR for example the menu will still use the default Doom graphics and sounds.

dapper flint
#

Unity has little issues like that and unfortunately I doubt it'll be fixed. The biggest sin of unity is not having the bucket head soundtrack option for sigil

finite crag
#

I think Unity is an incredible way for new fans to get into the original Doom games, and by far the greatest port of them.

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But for, like, hardcore fans and people who like playing WADs, yeah it's still lacking.

zenith berry
#

The barebones release had more issues than the current release. (slow music playback, the infamous Bethesda.net requirement glitch, etc)

dapper flint
#

And that wide-screen update. I kind of like the chonky look now

vivid vine
dapper flint
vocal summit
#

it's hideous

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quake enemies mixed with guns that look like they were ripped from counter strike source

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it looks like you're in the shiny dimension

pearl osprey
#

Graphics mods for for are kinda dumb

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Just play doom 2016 at that point

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Og Doom's art style just isn't made with ray tracing and lighting effect and all that in mind

royal heron
#

TFC is only pretty hard for 3 maps, that being M1, M2, and M6

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Otherwise I feel like the other maps are eh

radiant condor
#

the animations are bad, the gore is bad, the "hd" doomguy texture is just cursed and the enemies ripped from quake are the worst decision made

rain island
royal heron
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Or actually shit I need to recheck

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That might just be the aim of bullet weapons?

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Seems like 1024 units

azure nimbus
#

your vertical autoaim is the same for all weapons ... kinda. shotguns pick a central line and apply spread to that. But the bfg does vertical autoaim individually per tracer(and for the ball). But monsters, their autoaim differs depending on whether they are firing hitscan. If hitscan, it's the same as yours: there is the raycast that does all the weird calculations with height or whatever. They will hit the nearest thing they can even if aiming for you. Projectile monsters just go from their origin to yours and will aim at you even if there is something in between. The proj can miss, but the direction will be towards you

zenith berry
#

Bethesda never did anything towards Doom Remake 4 nor any DMCA stuff had been done to the mod. The mod was caught to be using stolen assets so guess what did the modder do as a coverup? Making a false C&D from “Bethesda”.

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It’s sad that many people believed it.

vocal summit
#

i love how if you open the pk3 all you see are more pk3s renamed to .wad so gzdoom loads them

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actual lazy ass modpack

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didn't even hide it

sullen lagoon
#

hi guys

dapper flint
#

Welcome

cloud talon
hexed escarp
#

wow now that i have gotten past the bullshit that is perfect hatred im actually enjoying e4m3

royal heron
#

It's one of my favorite E4 levels

dapper flint
#

It really is. Always replay it once in a while

limpid zinc
craggy bone
#

Hell Beneath is great at what it sets out to do

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Unfortunately, what it sets out to do is to be miserable

barren gorge
#

dis is my favorite doom uwu

elder igloo
#

i only play games before doom 2016

#

i played the java dooms

azure nimbus
pearl osprey
#

Wtf is a java doom

narrow condor
#

Doom RPG

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I remember I wanted it for my Nokia phone when it came out but couldn't afford it.

finite crag
#

Hey I don‘t know if this is the right channel to ask but I was wondering if the IOS Doom ports support keyboard?

narrow condor
#

I believe they do.

finite crag
#

Thanks but I will wait for someone to 100% verify it for me. Only 5 bucks, but I won‘t blow 5 bucks on something I won‘t use

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Because in the changelog they only said it now supports Controllers

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Which would be actually fine for me but I can‘t bring a controller to school haha

narrow condor
#

Haha, fair enough.

elder igloo
narrow condor
#

I had only seen it in gaming magazines because no one I knew had it on their phone. They usually had Prince of Persia and Worms instead. Good times.

sage barn
#

guys, can anyone confirm whether or not Doom 2d forever is legit game, cuz i remember playing it like a decede ago and i thought its a part of DOOM universe by ID software. turned out its not

pearl osprey
#

Looks like it's just a fan project

lucid scroll
#

I'm so sick of every discussion of Doom II or of the Icon of Sin using the phrase "glorified wall texture"

pearl osprey
#

ok but tbf it's a very disappointing ending

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MAP29 is better than MAP30 imo

#

just end the game there

lucid scroll
#

Like there's a lot more to talk about in terms of why that ending is disappointing

hexed escarp
#

is there different versions of the doom iwads with the text in different languages?

narrow condor
#

Yup

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I'm surprised to see the website of the creator of Freedoom and Chocolate Doom is disallowed here.

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But he dug up this iwad and has a nice write-up over it on his blog.

finite crag
#

What’s wrong with freedoom and chocolate doom?

narrow condor
#

I'm guessing there is a website whitelist in this server that disallows links to any other websites.

#

Either way, you can check out fraggle's apocrypha blog.

modern hazel
#

I have 1993 Doom on PS4

dusky heron
#

yo quick question. I don't play with vertical mouselook but sometimes when it comes to certain WADs I'll turn it on. How do I make it so that I don't throw up while using it. It never looks right on my end and I see people with perfect veridical mouselook and it makes me a little sad. I don't want to be sad. Any pointers?

narrow condor
#

Which source port are you using?

dusky heron
#

gzdoom

#

should have specified that my b

azure nimbus
narrow condor
#

That's strange. I thought GZDoom used native 3D rendering by default.

dusky heron
#

maybe I goofed up somewhere

narrow condor
#

Well, OpenGL and Vulkan backends, at least.

dusky heron
#

I'll give it another look. I haven't touched classic doom and doom 2 in a while

azure nimbus
#

@dusky heron render mode -> hardware accelerated. either use options search or find it in the display options

dusky heron
#

ok ty

#

i will give that a try

narrow condor
#

It's a consequence of the 2,5D raycasting the original implementation used.

#

Wow, even Wikipedia links are not allowed.

#

That's quite an overzealous spam filter.

dusky heron
#

indeed

#

I tried it again on UAC Ultra and it was fine. Maybe I'm just overreacting because the sprites aren't 3d etc.

#

I'm very much used to no vertical mouselook

narrow condor
#

Me too. It makes other FPSes difficult to play for me. :-)

dapper flint
finite crag
#

For like 4 months I only played classic doom in terms of video games and going back to "true" 3d was weird haha

azure nimbus
#

noo doom is 3d.

oblique sphinx
#

I need help how do I remove these letters from "waiting for other players" in zandronum 3.1? I'm playing offline

vale gyro
#

I have only tried controller support on my PC, but it should work fine on then IOS port as well as it’s the unity port

vale gyro
#

Only WASD works

#

no way to fire or aim

#

and WASD works lightly

young acorn
#

Does anyone know how to download Doom on my toaster?

finite crag
#

it surely can't be that hard for the programmers to implement atleast keyboard support

vast reef
finite crag
#

the steam port sucks, just get one of the freely available ports

vale gyro
#

I got mines on steam, it’s just fine

#

You need to get yourself most of the files though

#

Missing tons of the setup files

vast reef
vale gyro
vocal summit
vale gyro
#

Because I was talking about Steam’s lack of files for the DOS version

vocal summit
vale gyro
#

well

#

that could maybe have saved me a ton of time getting ALL of the original files

#

Well, to be fair I am the person who prefers 100% vanilla

#

With the exception of using the novert utility

terse egret
#

I went on a school trip to the national museum of computing, and they had the original doom on a very old computer, I hogged it and let no one else play on it, was fun

vale gyro
#

If it was my school

#

They would block it from us as much as possible

terse egret
#

(no one else knew what it was so they didn't even want to play it)

vale gyro
#

breh

#

how not know about doom

terse egret
#

IKR

pearl osprey
#

No one where I live has ever heard of doom

vale gyro
terse egret
vale gyro
#

I know one of my friends though play eternal

#

I have loved doom since I got it on my old iPad

#

Then got Eternal

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Then finally the steam port

terse egret
#

ayo

#

nice

vale gyro
#

Anyways

#

I need to re do the level I’m on in Ultimate Doom

#

I somehow soft locked it

#

The only time I got mad at doom and it did not help me

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Was because of that

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Because I got my self extremely low on health, then stepped on a teleporter

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Which has lava all around it

abstract marsh
#

Classic Doom is cool

narrow condor
#

You can say that again. :-)

abstract marsh
#

Classic Doom is cool

cosmic pagoda
#

I am getting better at plutonia, this time made it into abbatoire that fight before first death

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love that fight, so expertly crafted to be a pain in the ass

#

thers not many monsters even

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but they are placed so well, nowhere is safe and getting around the room is difficult because easy to fall off

lilac turret
#

I just beat the first chapter with 100% secrets

#

Second episode of Doom I feel the nostalgia hard for gba version

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And Inferno snes

#

Back in 2019 you woulf not hear secret sound that you found a secret

#

Glad they worked to make Doom 2019 a good version

vocal summit
#

doom never actually had secret messages

#

it was only until boom and stuff that it had messages

#

the sound was added in zdoom

lilac turret
#

Right

young acorn
#

I got doom on my toaster. Just trying to learn the controls

dapper flint
vocal summit
#

to be honest i don't like it

#

as much as i hate doom eternal i replaced the secret sound with the doom eternal one

dapper flint
#

Sinner

#

Continuing to sin

azure nimbus
#

short of comic serif, this is maybe the most cursed idea

narrow condor
#

I've seen some wads replace it with the Quake sound.

chilly steeple
#

Final doom ain’t that bad

#

Sure it isn’t the final doom

#

False advertising

fickle adder
#

This new wad they added reminds of the frigate level From goldeneye 007

azure nimbus
#

"final", "ultimate", "eternal", "maximum" should all be last if we trust the naming convention. "doom" and "doom" should both be first

sturdy laurel
#

Speaking of Maximum Doom, that Doomworld project added the third and final Doom 2 hub.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/129732-v3-final-maximum-doom-in-one/

Doomworld
[v3 (final)] Maximum doom in one

This is just maximum doom but compiled into a single mod for convenience this requires zdoom based ports since the hub maps are udmf (tested with gzdoom and zandronum) the rest of the maps were made in 1994/1995 so they are vanilla format, jumping/crouching is disabled in mapinfo (except on the h...

fickle adder
spice radish
#

Hey guys I have a question regarding mapping. I'm currently making my first WAD and want to share it amongst some friends. They don't have the Doom II WAD files so would they need Freedoom Phase II or is there a way to package the WAD so they can just play it without the need of Freedoom or will that be considered piracy? The original maps for Doom II aren't in the WAD I'm just using the textures.

#

should also be mentioned GZDoom is the engine of choice

narrow condor
#

It is indeed piracy and considered bad taste to bundle your mod in an official iwad to distribute it, but I personally think it's fine if it's between friends. Like sharing your game CD.

vocal summit
#

illegal so freedoom

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send them a zip file with gzdoom, freedoom phase 2, and a bat file to launch your custom wad

spice radish
spice radish
vocal summit
#

txt file and rename it to .bat

spice radish
#

ahh

#

Hoping Freedoom Phase II textures look good over the current ones

vocal summit
#

they look better

#

more consistent

spice radish
#

got it

fickle adder
azure nimbus
#

How does sunlust handle that? I think it has its own sprites which are identical to the iwads

pearl osprey
#

Truth is many popular well made doom wads share copyrighted assets

#

it is technically illegal but Bethesda/Id doesn't seem to care since it's harmless

#

Brutal doom for example has many unedited sprites ripped straight from the iwads

#

As long as you aren't packaging the entire iwads or a huge portion of their textures it's not a big deal imo

scenic burrow
#

how do people run classic doom on like vtech tablets and pregnancy tests n all that?

pearl osprey
#

Sometimes clever programming, if there is a way to install software on any machine you can port doom to it with enough skill and effort

#

Other times (like the pregnancy test) they simply use the device as a case and replace all the insides with an embedded device and add their own display

#

Doom is so well optimized that it can run virtually on anything

cosmic pagoda
#

hmm inspired by coincidents playthrough wanted to try corruption cards

#

however I cant get it to run

Script error, "CorruptionCards-v3.0.pk3:zscript/corruptioncards/cardtypes.zscript"line 484:
Unexpected identifier
Expecting end of file or 'include' or 'extend' or 'class' or 'struct' or 'const' or 'enum'```
#

hmm

narrow condor
#

Sounds like version incompatibility.

cosmic pagoda
#

hmm ok I'll download a fresh version

narrow condor
#

Is your GZDoom up to date as well? Check the mod's readme to see the minimum required engine version.

cosmic pagoda
#

probably not, I think thats the issue

#

I havent used the sourceport for a while

#

thanks, downloading a fresh version of gzdoom worked

spice radish
narrow condor
#

People can overlook copied and modified assets of copyrighted origin in a pwad but changing a few things in the iwad wouldn't fool anyone.

spice radish
#

After looking at Freedoom and playing it with what I have of my WAD so far it looks pretty good and I'm glad the few maps I created still look good in it

ornate vortex
#

I downloaded DSDA on Macintosh hoping I would get that sweet hud all the speedrunners use. But I can't seem to find the setting to enable it anywhere. I checked the main settings and the hud settings and couldn't find it on either. Is there any reason as to why I can't find it?

azure nimbus
ornate vortex
lilac turret
#

@vocal summit So you prefer to get secrets without a sound or a notification that you found a secret

azure nimbus
#

some people use the extended hud that shows kills, items, secrets to track instead of the obstructive message

dapper flint
#

Coming to eternity.. eventually

vocal summit
lilac turret
#

First person to hear that

#

Im a guy that prefers everything original

#

But not this one

vivid vine
#

I like Crispy having a counter. Also it uses the Multiplayer respawn sound for secrets instead of whatever that common one is, that last time I looked didnt have a known origin

vast reef
#

you just need to use non-default textures for every wall or something i believe (if you don't like the freedoom textures)
freedoom doesn't change monster behavior

spice radish
cloud talon
spice radish
vocal summit
pearl osprey
#

Freedoom is based ngl

vale gyro
#

is E3M8 even possible pistol start? Because I died as soon as I walked out of the door and lost my weapons so I am stuck with my pistol, rocket launcher, and plasma rifle

#

nvm

#

got it

narrow condor
#

Fairly sure all vanilla wads can be pistol started.

vale gyro
#

I guess the pistol start was a fun challenge for me

#

Just got slightly annoyed that I kept getting one shot 90% of the time

narrow condor
#

I always pistol start because sweeping through the starting area with big guns doesn't feel fun at all. It makes finding a rocket launcher or plasma gun in a secret much more exciting too.

modern hazel
#

imagine a final space doom mod

#

how

vivid vine
#

Maps are made to be possible through a pistol start as a rule. Most mappers still follow that.

#

I took to only doing pistol starts and the game got a lot more interesting.

narrow condor
#

I consider it bad taste to make a map unbeatable with pistol start, in the same vein as making a map unbeatable without finding a specific secret.

vivid vine
#

When doing Doom 2 pistol start after having played way too many times I was surprised at how many maps actually don't have a super shotgun, so it is a lot more meaningful when you do get one

#

Similarly most of the time you are either getting the Plasma Gun or the BFG, and if you do get a BFG you're only getting a few shots.

#

If you start finding a lot of cells its because the map is giving you a Plasma Gun and no BFG

#

Rockets are also a lot harder to come by and you'll have to actually save some up

#

It drives the appreciation for the Chaingun way up because you have to deal with crowds without one a lot

#

Instead of it sitting idle because you have more powerful weapons the map was not built around

#

Plus side you can finish a level almost dead and it won't matter, neither does saving ammo

#

You will begin the next with 100 Health and 50 Bullets

#

I think people get the wrong idea just hearing about it. You usually get a Shotgun in the first 30 seconds of a map, and enough shells that you just have to not miss, before the weapon and ammo hunt begins

#

You can kind of just run past imps to the shotgun so the pistol only really gets used to take out zombiemen or take out the first shotgunner you see

narrow condor
#

I love the "start with a pistol, shoot a few zombiemen, take out the shotgunner and continue with the shotgun" opening.

#

A classic

torn pivot
#

Psx Doom: Doom II - Part 1 (UV-100%) (PsyDoom 0.8.3) Vulkan Renderer
https://youtu.be/dclZ4zRxU-E

YouTube
BlueThunder
Psx Doom: Doom II - Part 1 (UV-100%) (PsyDoom 0.8.3) Vulkan Renderer

Psx Doom:
The Ultimate Doom
Thy Flesh Consumed
100% Secrets and Kills
Difficulty: Ultra Violence

00:00 Map 31: Entryway
01:56 Map 32: Underhalls
04:59 Map 33: The Gantlet
08:21 Map 34: The Focus
11:14 Map 35: The Waste Tunnels
18:28 Map 36: The Crusher
25:33 Map 37: Dead Simple
28:32 Map 38: Tricks and Traps

Psydoom Download link (Psx...

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dapper flint
#

Someone's out of retirement. Good to see

vivid vine
#

When Doom 2 does give you a super shotgun they tend to flood the room with pinkies

fickle adder
dapper flint
#

I've done it pistol start on nightmare

azure nimbus
#

I mean that level is easier on NM

dapper flint
azure nimbus
#

get more ammo so infighting is less important. I mean neither is all that hard for e3m8

dapper flint
#

Yeah.. it really is one of the easiest maps LOLL

atomic dust
#

is it possible to play the secret xbox Doom II map named Betray with the BFG Edition wad?

#

the BFG Edition version includes it but it's inaccessible

vital knoll
#

UAC Labs anyone?

narrow condor
#

"Is there really no SSG in this map? Is it hidden behind a secret? Did I accidentally skip it earlier or is it just farther ahead?"

tacit remnant
#

Doom 2 underuses the SSG as far as pistol start is concerned

azure nimbus
#

no ssg 1,3,8,9,10,11,13,14,15,17,22,23, :(

dapper flint
#

Like they weren't to sure about it

modern hazel
#

How much maps are there in Knee Deep In The Dead

dapper flint
opal falcon
#

Yes.

#

Or…

#

Okay, eight main levels and one secret level.

modern hazel
#

I thought there were like 6

opal falcon
#

Plus, a tenth on an Xbox port.

modern hazel
twilit spade
#

Does anyone know good modding tools for Linux?

pearl osprey
twilit spade
#

create them

pearl osprey
#

For playing mods GZDoom is a source port with the best mod compatibility and you can find it on all Linux distros

twilit spade
#

i can use GZDoom to play mods but i want to make mods compatible with Woof

pearl osprey
#

For creating them you only have one tool, Slade 3

twilit spade
#

Okay

pearl osprey
#

It's not as fully fledged as the Windoews counterpart (which is Ultimate Doom Builder) but Slade is a jack of all trades kinds program

#

It can both create/modify mod and maps

twilit spade
#

Okay

#

I dont want to make any more advanced mods like with freelook and jump and stuff

pearl osprey
#

Slade should do the job well then

twilit spade
#

If i ever do that i think UDB runs well on wine

#

Thanks

hexed escarp
#

slade is awesome because in edition to the level editor it also contains an awesome wad resource editor

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i havent actually created any mods because i dont have any ideas/motivation but if i did i would use udb as a level editor and slade to do all of the texturework/other custom resources

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i really want to finish my first time doom 2 playthrough, im at the beginning of map25

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but i accidentally overwrote my save file, and I really don't want to pistol start

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but i dont remember exactly what i had, i remember i had maximum everything except ammo

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i dont remember how much of each ammo i had

vivid vine
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That map isnt very hard pistol start

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I dont think I died once

hexed escarp
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yeah but id like to have the stuff i had before for the last few levels

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also im not very good at doom yet lol

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im playing on hmp

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BRO IM SO MAD I WISH I COULD JUST KNOW WHAT I HAD BEFORE

hexed escarp
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Can anybody recommend any modern singleplayer fps games where the player handles similarly to doomguy in classic doom?

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So like, really fast movement and stuff like that?

finite crag
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Wolfenstein, maybe

dapper flint
cinder ibex
finite crag
narrow condor
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Ultimate Doom Builder theoretically works natively on Linux through Mono.

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But in my experience it's a total mess.

pearl osprey
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Yes I compiled UDB on Linux before and it's clearly just not made for it

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It would crash every so often, has many problems with hotkeys, bad performance and much more

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Surprisingly running it in wine is better

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Although there is some performance overhead

narrow condor
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I think all of those could be ironed out if there were at least one dev on Linux.

pearl osprey
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Yeah iirc they state somewhere on the github page that none of the devs use Linux

narrow condor
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Makes sense.

ornate vortex
vocal summit
vast reef
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i'm going to recommend post void because post void is awesome

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devil daggers maybe i guess

azure nimbus
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after a year or so of playing, I've finally learned where the map18: courtyard RL is -- didn't know it existed. This is after a long time of not knowing how to grab the Citadel's RL either. neither are secrets

narrow condor
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Now that I think of it... Are there are any "modern" FPSes without mouselook or jumping?

vocal summit
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hopefully not

azure nimbus
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resident evil vr is fps with no jump. the evil within is 3rd person sure but lacks a dedicated jump key

pearl osprey
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Technically freedoom is a standalone game

vocal summit
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no

pearl osprey
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but it's pretty much just doom

narrow condor
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TCs shouldn't count. :-P

vocal summit
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it doesn't have a proper executable

pearl osprey
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I personally don't know any modern boomer shooter that doesn't have mouselook or jumping

azure nimbus
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if you really stretch the category of fps, there are first person metroid games with no jump

narrow condor
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Hmm

azure nimbus
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Doom comes after other fps games with freelook(they were just kinda bad)

narrow condor
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I was hoping someone would eventually try to replicate Doom's game-feel. Dusk replicates Blood and Quake, for example.

azure nimbus
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Idk if the neck brace is the soul of the game so to speak

narrow condor
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Hahah

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Well, it's only one part amongst many. Lack of room-over-room, for example, gives a strange sense of navigation. It threw me off when I was playing Doom 64.

azure nimbus
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d64 does not have room over room. it fakes it with instant elevators

narrow condor
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Lots of idiosyncrasies come together.

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Oh what, what a letdown!

azure nimbus
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I think the map is called breakdown. you can see the elevator jump if you're fast. I'll double check with the d64 mappers though

narrow condor
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Well, then again, the player experience is the same in practice.

azure nimbus
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are you not in the spirit of doom whether you play scythe2 map01 with the 3d Bridge?

narrow condor
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I think the 3D bridges are impressive in vanilla Doom precisely because they are out of ordinary.

azure nimbus
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scythe2 is cl2. it uses self referencing sectors or some mapping magic. same for d64 with them being unusual

narrow condor
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Hm, I suppose that's true.

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I can't quite explain it but all the limitations and weirdnesses of Doom make other FPSes feel too similar to each other.

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Doom has a very unique play style (as well as map design choices that feed back into the play) that doesn't quite work with other games.

azure nimbus
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a lot of that is the sprites imo. one of the last 3d fp games to use sprites instead of models

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but now, time to strim some fractured worlds

narrow condor
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I doubt the play itself would change that much if you took away the sprites and put voxel dolls in the hitboxes, no?

azure nimbus
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more of a feel thing. It affects shotguns a lot. I think that's a big reason why the d3 shotgun struggles. You're aiming for models with lanky limbs instead of a box

narrow condor
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Oh, now I see what you mean — it's the hitboxes themselves.

azure nimbus
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it's got tons of lil idiosyncrasies

narrow condor
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And I love it for that. :-)

hexed escarp
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who's freaking idea was it to have ice physics in eviternity

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because it was not a good idea

eternal wyvern
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Hi, i'm new and just installed the original doom, i haven't played it since i was probably like 12 years old. having an absolute blast! I see there's loads of addons now?

vast reef
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there are hundreds of great doom wads made by the community

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the ones on the unity port (steam version with the new launcher) are some that the devs put there

eternal wyvern
dapper flint
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I wouldn't bother playing all the add ons. For the most part they're just tech bases. Plutonia No rest for the living and btsx you should definitely try as well as sigil and anomaly report. That's about it.

azure nimbus
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vanilla doom is when tech base

narrow condor
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They call it STARTAN because you see it when the wad's just startan' out.

vital knoll
ebon fern
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who likes doom 2

azure nimbus
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it's p ok

dapper flint
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Never heard of it

ebon fern
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the first game to have the super shotgun

ebon fern
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im on voice if any one want to talk.

dapper flint
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What's a super shotgun

ebon fern
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i will tell you

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its a double barrel shotgun

slim willow
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whats doom

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i have no idea what it is and at this point im too afraid to ask

azure nimbus
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some sort of triple barrel laser gun?

hexed escarp
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in woof is it possible to invert sprint key like prboom+?

cloud talon
finite crag
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Y'all know any great wads?

dapper flint
vale totem
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Does the game save at all on the hardest difficulty?

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Cuz am strugglin

royal heron
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you save manually

vale totem
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Ah am dumb

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I looked for it and didn’t see it

royal heron
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should be in the menu screen when you press ESC

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or whatever key is for the menu on controller

vale totem
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Okay thanks 🙏

royal heron
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np :)

vale totem
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It seems I’ve put me save in a insta kill spawn :/

unborn sparrow
azure nimbus
onyx crow
hexed escarp
azure nimbus
hexed escarp
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oh ok cool!

azure nimbus
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woof also has blocky spectre drawing even on higher resolution. You might notice that spectres on high res in dsda are very hard to see. it has something to do with resolution scaling of the invisible effect. But woof can render specifically spectres back in low res...or something like that

hexed escarp
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huh

azure nimbus
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spectres are very difficult to see in high resolution. But woof has a setting(that dsda doesn't) that makes them easier to see by more appropriately scaling pixels or something.Talking with dsda guys, that's considered more vanilla than not

vocal summit
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fun fact: gzdoom

dapper flint
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Gave wolf a try. It was neat. Still feels like eternity has far better controller movement. Which isn't surprising since quasar developed and tested the eternity controller support

molten iron
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Woof is cool but dsda-doom has some features that I just love

azure nimbus
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what does dsda have that woof doesn't right now? I know dsda has viddump capability

molten iron
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Rewind, Heretic and Hexen support and many speedrunning features

azure nimbus
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oh yeah tas stuff. I think woof does have some stuff for other games like heretic and chexquest. I just saw them mentioned in the autoload folder then deleted it. Woof does have gamespeed changing abilities if that interests you. I only use it on the IoS when I'm trying to test allghosts lol

sleek totem
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Is it allowed to post some doom mods in here?

azure nimbus
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links might get automodded but you can talk about it in a way that makes it clear what to google

ebon fern
hardy aurora
royal heron
vale gyro
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I need to buy Doom 2

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I only have Ultimate Doom

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Well, I guess I kinda have Doom 2, used the code in Eternal so I could get it there

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I hate that port Eternal uses though

narrow condor
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Just copy over the iwads to your favourite source port.

vale gyro
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And it’s only on my console, which I know in the past that I suck with controllers on classic doom

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welp, that message was poorly timed

narrow condor
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Haha

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You can still get the iwads from elsewhere since you legally own the original game.

vale gyro
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To be fair, I could do that, but:
A) I have no clue where to rip the iwads
B) I am not the type to pirate stuff

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Also, I technically don’t own the game in my opinion

narrow condor
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Guess you're getting a second copy then.

vale gyro
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Yea

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Don’t mind spending 5 bucks at some point, have to get the files though, at least I know where to get them this time.

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This is why I hate the steam port, all the files don’t come with it

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And I’m a person who likes using vanilla DOSBOX, so that sucks for me when I try to get the files for it

dapper flint
azure nimbus
narrow condor
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BFG Edition still comes with the iwads as distinct files, no?

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It seems it does but the iwads are heavily modified in some aspects.

vale gyro
azure nimbus
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that DE port is why I started playing

vital knoll
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Is it possible to upgrade GZDoom and retain saves/settings from previously downloaded version?

narrow condor
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Yes.

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/Savegame#Backward_compatibility

Savegame

ZDoom's savegame files are contained with PNG files since v2.0 Beta 13. The game snapshot is the image itself, and the game data is contained in various custom ancillary chunks: huBs, ptIc, snAp, viSt, pcLs and raNd. Since buildr666, the SVN revision number is used to mark the savegame (earlier, an arbitrary number was used).
The snapshot can be...

modern hazel
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I have Doom 1 and 2 on PS4

hexed escarp
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After I finish doom 2 and final doom, if I were to only play 1 community wad, what should it be

dapper flint
hexed escarp
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?

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Oh that’s a name of a wad, that’s a really fucking weird name

dapper flint
halcyon willow
vivid vine
halcyon willow
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alien vendetta is a large step up in difficulty from the iwads. something like Scythe would probably be better? AV is still very good and worth playing but you could get blasted

royal heron
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I agree with Scythe

finite crag
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Fr

vivid vine
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Would Valiant be too much? I still need to get around to it myself

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Maybe Augur Zenith, in the middle of a pistol start run of it after it kept getting recommended to me

azure nimbus
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I think if you can beat plutonia, you can beat a skillsaw wad.

vivid vine
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I don't know if someone fresh off the iwads would find it fun, though

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I suppose Valiant isnt Sunlust

grizzled agate
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Plutonia is kinda fun, but I zone out aafter Aztec.

vivid vine
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I tried to pistol start TNT and felt physically ill by the 7th map and had to stop

grizzled agate
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I started to lose focus on caged because how much of a slog dealing with the cacodemons and the crossfire between revenants nd chaingunners, just to be killed on the hell baron room.

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still gonna play it tho.

azure nimbus
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I'm not everyone and don't know how everyone would respond but I do think skillsaw is the biggest player with regards to mass appeal wads

narrow condor
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I'm going to stray from the traditional recommendations and suggest ALT.

hexed escarp
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I am ofc gonna play more than 1 community wad, I was just curious what peoples recommendations were for the must plays so thank you for the recommendations

vocal summit
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https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/130650-closing-wad-archive/ i'd recommend downloading the whole wad archive

Doomworld
Closing Wad Archive

I have decided to shut down Wad Archive as I dont have time to dedicate to it anymore and just not motivated. I dont have an exact date/time yet but it is currently no longer updated. Since I would rather not have the archive go to waste I have uploaded all the WADs, images and database data to t...

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well, i have no idea how to download the wads off there

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there are so many files it doesn't even load

pearl osprey
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You can download the zip

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Or the better option would be to download the torrent

vocal summit
pearl osprey
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since you can choose which files you want to download

pearl osprey
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Yeah you gotta use torrent then

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Btw if you're going to download it using torrent use qBitTorrent not BitTorrent or uTorrent

vocal summit
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i wonder if someone has enough storage to keep that up on their own website or something

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fuck, even doomworld

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they could probably do it

pearl osprey
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Now that I think about it I do have a bunch of hard drives laying around and a crappy laptop

azure nimbus
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1000 GB? That's less than 50 doom eternals. ALL of the idgames archive is smaller than 50 of the new game

vocal summit
pearl osprey
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Although my internet bandwidth is really weak

vocal summit
narrow condor
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To view the text file? A sufficiently modern text editor could open it.

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For large files, Emacs only reads the relevant chunks into the buffer at a time.

molten iron
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V I M

modern hazel
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rip daisy 1993-1993

dapper flint
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Stays pretty consistent

broken flame
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Hello fellow doom fans

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i'm new to discord

hexed escarp
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Hello!

broken flame
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i have only played doom 1993-doom 64 am i allowed here? cuz my laptop cannot handle the games after

hexed escarp
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Yeah all doom fans are welcome, this is the channel for doom1/2/final ect and there is another channel for 64

broken flame
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oh ok thanks

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um how to disable this slowmode thing

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hello

narrow condor
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You cannot — the server operators set it as an anti-spam measure.

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The channels for the classic games are easy-going with IRC channel vibes but the channels for the newer games are large enough to regularly draw spammers, so there are quite a few server-wide anti-spam measures in place.

broken flame
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yeah thanks for replying to my lil bro

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since I never knew that either

narrow condor
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No problem. I should probably stop assuming whenever someone says they're new to Discord, they're coming from IRC, XMPP/Jabber etc. :-P

hard glacier
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Hey I have a question what is the best way to play Doom(1993) and Doom II without using a source port but I was thinking about using a windows 2000 with Ultimate Doom and Doom 2 but I play them on consoles(Snes, Xbox, and ps4) but never played them on PC and I decided to play it on PC but I don't want to play it on a source port on a new PC but I have a old PC from ages ago to make it run on it but what do you guys think any suggestion

azure nimbus
hard glacier
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Well I like to play with the original hardware so DOSbox is out but I'll look more into dos thank you

narrow condor
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You could theoretically run it natively with any version of 32-bit Windows but I think you'll run into problems with video drivers in newer versions. Alternatively, you could use the Doom95 port with some DirectX tinkering.

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If you're planning to run it on original hardware, you probably have a native DOS or Win9x installation (PS: Doom reportedly works fine on FreeDOS), in which case you can run SETUP.EXE and follow from there. The same things you'd do with DOSBox.

hard glacier
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I don't want to sound stupid but what's directx I have some computer knowledge just haven't used it in awhile

narrow condor
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It's a set of Windows multimedia libraries (and their API). Doom95 was probably a bad suggestion.

hard glacier
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Hmmm... So that isn't a good version to run

narrow condor
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I think the simplest (and perfectly legal) way to go about it is to put FreeDOS on your PC and to run shareware Doom on it.

pearl osprey
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Why not dosbox or chocolate doom? Those are identical to the original game

narrow condor
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I assumed it's for showing off a Pentium PC to retro nerds. :-P

azure nimbus
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By all means, you get vanilla gameplay if you play low res non-widescreen woof/dsda on cl2 but some people like the lil extra fanciness that is the obnoxious setup and original OS

narrow condor
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I remember when I played shareware Doom on Windows 98, I couldn't get the audio to work.

hard glacier
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Well I don't have a PC and I just don't want to do any extra steps to run doom and I like running games on it's original hardware but doom I would run doom on windows 95 using a old computer but that's just the problem I don't know where to find a dos and I like to play the games how they were originally ment to be play on so I don't do emulators

narrow condor
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You don't have a PC? How would you run it on original hardware then?

hard glacier
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I have some old computers laying around to see if I can try to run doom on them they were old computers from early 2000s possibility they are windows 2000

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Just I haven't had time to look into the computers that I have laying around

narrow condor
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Windows 2000 was only available for x86 PCs. Either way, you should boot them up and see what they're running (if they're running at all) first.

hard glacier
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Yeah I hope they run but it's been years since I used them at least before the 2010s

narrow condor
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And unless you have particularly exotic machines like early Macs, SPARCstations, DEC VAXen, NeXTstations etc, your old computers are almost certainly PCs.

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And most likely run DOS or Windows.

hard glacier
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Yeah

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I hope I can find out soon I have a uncle who can help me with computers like that just I haven't been able to look for reason

narrow condor
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It sounds like a fun activity. :-)

hard glacier
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Yeah thank you and the others for the help I be honest I'm glad I can get help from the community of Doom I will be back if I need help with something when I get to the PC's

narrow condor
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Godspeed!

hard glacier
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Ok I most likely know what the computer is that is laying around my house I couldn't grab it because I have stuff around it but it's a window 2000(dell) I just looked at it from a distance but the front and side I had a very good look at it so yeah I just got to get around to grab it and clean it but I just do the windows 95 version of doom but see if I can fix problems with the audio though I got to buy the game but it should be cheap as I look it up online so I will try to get this going as soon as I can if you want I can send a picture of the computer from a distance but I will wait until later

dapper flint
hard glacier
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Well I'm just a guy who play the games on the original hardware and I don't like to mess with source ports or emulators the one exception is not a doom game but resident evil 2 on PC because of a way to play the beta of it but I just like to get the authentic experience with games

hexed escarp
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There is a source port called chocolate doom that plays identically to the original doom

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It even has all of the same bugs, rendering glitches, and crashes

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And limits

hard glacier
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I know just I don't want to mess with source ports that's just how I am I was never a pc gamer to begin with but mostly a retro gamer but I knew chocolate doom is a way to play it

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But I also want to run the other doom games like 2 and 3

hexed escarp
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Chocolate doom plays 1 and 2

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And 3 runs on modern hardware with no need for modifications

hard glacier
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Yeah I figured since it was the same game with different stuff but I don't want to run doom 3 bfg edition I just want to pop in the disc and run it

hexed escarp
hard glacier
#

Oh

hexed escarp
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You can get it on steam even

hard glacier
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Well I prefer physical games it just fun to collect and other reasons

hexed escarp
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Ah ye

hard glacier
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I'm really picky about the way I play games it's a blessing and a curse

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I mean I own doom 64 on the original n64 and play that way with a crt tv and n64 controller but I know doom 64 is off topic on this page

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Still maybe one day I have to learn to do source ports but I also was going to check out other id games on the windows 2000 but I will do more research on that

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But yeah I get it with chocolate doom is a good way but I will probably do it one day but I just enjoy the idea of collecting old games and playing them on old stuff

hexed escarp
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For doom I'm happy as long as the source port I'm using is vanilla demo compatible (as in demos that are recorded can be played back on the vanilla exe without desyncing)

dapper flint
hard glacier
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Thank you all for the support I will see how it goes with this if it doesn't work then I will try chocolate doom but I have no modern pc as of now I always play doom on consoles but I will ask when I do need help

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There is a chance I will grab a new pc to run it if I can't get it to work

dapper flint
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I have a super old laptop that runs classic very well. You won't need much

azure nimbus
hexed escarp
lilac turret
#

We need a 30th anniversary Doom console like marios 35th and zeldas 35th

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Include Doomv1 and 2

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Instead of game & watch include crossword puzzle of demons

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Timer should have that marine killing demons on spawn screen like that wallpaper

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Tappingvto move and attack demons

grizzled agate
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is there a source port that is closer to the original game yet has better resolution?

vocal summit