doom-eternal

[azure oriole]

it’s the internet

[burnt moss]

I didn’t think it was a joke. There wasn’t any real indication from my perspective

[jaunty vapor]

If we're gonna talk final bosses we can't forget the entirety of Nekravol 2 for UN 100%.

Not just 1 challenge that requires a glory kill on an enemy that only spawns once the entire level, but 2 of them, with the later being near slopes that causes the Tyrant to just not go into gk state.

[burnt moss]

Who tf does 100% UN haha

[azure oriole]

me

[jaunty vapor]

? Uh... A lot of people? It's like the most watched category

[azure oriole]

There Is a category I think in speedruning called 100% Un

why would you risk a UN run like that

fun

[burnt moss]

I think the way for me to come to terms with lowering the difficulty is just understanding that y’all are a bunch of raving lunatics

[jaunty vapor]

It's not risking it, most of the players have probably already done UN runs a lot. Doing it 100% obviously adds an extra layer of challenge since you need to route weapon masteries + challenges without reloading checkpoint

[burnt moss]

No offense

[azure oriole]

nonono i meant like if you were going for your first run, sorry i misunderstood

[jaunty vapor]

Oooh gotcha gotcha

[azure oriole]

my first successful run i got the bare minimum secrets

like suit tokens and crystals

[burnt moss]

Why would you go through that more than once?

[azure oriole]

challenge

[jaunty vapor]

Fun

[azure oriole]

to git gud

[burnt moss]

But there’s so much luck involved. Or at least memorization. Cacos don’t announce their presence

[jaunty vapor]

Casually I've done a few UN runs and for NMG (now called Restricted) speedruns I've done at least 3 I think. If you think hundo UN is crazy imagine skipping all health/armor crystals for UN lol

[azure oriole]

im trying tag 1 but i don’t see myself beating the final boss any time soon

[burnt moss]

I assume there’s a pistol-only UN on 2016?

[jaunty vapor]

There is actually

Pistol only Un 100% combat rating I believe

[brittle quest]

That must be fun

[azure oriole]

nerve damage run

[burnt moss]

Even the “Pop the Balloon” challenge infuriated me

[azure oriole]

so much clicking

Pistol looks cool

sad that It's so underpowered

[burnt moss]

I mean at least in Goldeneye you can use headshots to make the pistol usable. In Doom? Notsomuch

[azure oriole]

the red pistol for multiplayer and snap map is cool

i have a lot of respect for people who run 2016 un

the imps are too strong

furthest i’ve ever gotten was when you get the bfg

[proven swift]

I did heard about imp's ai being pretty pain

[burnt moss]

Even in Eternal, imps and gargoyles are a significant threat. I got stuck on the Cultist Pit a couple days ago because of them

[brittle quest]

Both games have demon AI which folds to specific movement

[proven swift]

Gargoyles 💀

[azure oriole]

the imps are crazy, their fireballs do so much damage and their aim is nuts

the imps were seriously nerfed in eternal

[brittle quest]

frorzen garboyles🥴

[jaunty vapor]

Also imps are more boring in Eternal since they can't latch to walls like they could in 2016. Not that that was a huge deal, but it's still a shame they lack interesting movement and such like that.

[azure oriole]

not counting the zombies i think the imps are the weakest demons in the game but that’s my opinion

[jaunty vapor]

That said chainsaw is already buggy, I can't imagine it working with imps clinging to walls

[azure oriole]

do the imps get more health when they latch to walls in 2016? that’s what it always felt like

[brittle quest]

They severely underused demon movement in DE, one of the main things I found weak about this game

It's a bit boring to fight completely grounded demons rather than to have them move all around

[jaunty vapor]

I honestly don't know, I only really know DE stuff. I love 2016 but Ive decided to not deep-dive into it like I have Eternal.

Once you kinda figure out the specifics of a game it's a different beast, and I kinda wanna keep the magic going for 2016 as long as I can of that makes sense XD

[azure oriole]

that makes sense

i really like 2016 , it’s really cinematic at times

[burnt moss]

What I hate is that they all run away from you

[jaunty vapor]

I think the most obvious example of how much of an after thought movement with demons was in Eternal is that Arachnotrons hang from ceilings in like, 4 specific areas, right?

In older patches, using microwave beam on a hanging Arach crashed the game.

[azure oriole]

i’ve only ever seen that happen once, which was cultist base

[burnt moss]

Game: “She can’t do that. Shoot her, or something”

[jaunty vapor]

Honestly it would have been a cool weakness if meme beam stunned them, causing them to fall on their turret and take massive damage and/or die. Would be a neat niche interaction, and woulda been cool for people experimenting with stuff.

Like don't explicitly tell players "stun Arach to make them fall and die," just leave it as a thing for players to discover naturally

[brittle quest]

Older patches were🤪

[jaunty vapor]

I mean I guess if the game crashes the demon died too right

[azure oriole]

i really would like little secrets like that, like how the cacos cough if you keep faltering them

i wish the demons like emoted more besides grrr scream

[brittle quest]

I'd be much more happier if the opposite was true. If the game made the weakpoints of an overhead arac have twice the health and also made the turret fire faster but made it stationary.

[azure oriole]

stuff like the 100% ending makes me smile

[brittle quest]

Just little variations on demons to spice up combat in interesting ways.

[burnt moss]

What’s that ending?

[azure oriole]

if you collect all of the toys you get a little cutscene of a zombie playing with them

[brittle quest]

It's a bit bland to realise how every demon in late game just gets bewildered by simple mhooking and single dashing.

[azure oriole]

look it up on yt it’s cool

[valid wren]

you dont need to complete 100% for that

all you have to do is wait

[azure oriole]

yeah dude it really bummed me out that you can completely nullify all of the dark lords attacks by side dashing

[burnt moss]

Realistic though. Unless they have a hive mind

[jaunty vapor]

"Slayer in air too complex for us to keep track of 🤏 🧠 "

[azure oriole]

i feel the comment hugo made about the movement making you untouchable is still very slightly present

[burnt moss]

I want more realistic stopping power. A Hellknight should not be able to land perfectly after an SSG shot to the leg

[proven swift]

thinking about it , that one simple meat hook attachment really did changed the playstyle of many new doom eternal players

[azure oriole]

that would trivialize the combat

[brittle quest]

I'd love the idea of lunges, so that demons could lunge at you mid air. But then I realise how buggy such an attack would be. Basic punch attacks are horrendous, let alone a dedicated lunge into the air attack.

[burnt moss]

Not really. Combat with a demon you’ve already half-shredded should be different from combat with a freshly spawned demon

[azure oriole]

just ballista pb everyone in the legs

you could abuse the shit out of a system like that

[burnt moss]

You’re ok with shooting a metal arm cannon to deal bonus damage, but not “sweep the leg”?

[azure oriole]

also that already technically applies with the weak point system

[brittle quest]

Falters already do that I think? Besides having debuffs on already weak demons is not good balance

[azure oriole]

^

[brittle quest]

I'd be in favour of increasing the demon health and then doing it.

[azure oriole]

unrelated but i noticed just how much tag 2 changed up my playstyle

the riot guys caught me off guard so hard]

for one it actually made me use the remote det

i just finished horde mode on nightmare and god it was painful

[burnt moss]

I still don’t have a good strat for them besides dblade

[azure oriole]

shoot a rocket ovet their shoulder and remote det

top 100 on the leaderboard with 200k points so thats nice

[azure oriole]

or shoot their feet with ballista

hard to do

yeah but it works sometimes

stickies and rocket is a go to

[burnt moss]

That’s really difficult aiming. I tried it out and couldn’t get the rocket close enough without hitting them

[azure oriole]

do you play kbm or controller

[burnt moss]

Controller

[azure oriole]

ah

yeah id just remote det over the shoulder

i dont play controller so i dont really know how well certain strats work

[burnt moss]

I can imagine it’s easy to click 2 inches from their shoulders

[azure oriole]

u can just shoot a rocket on their feet

on the sides of the shield

[brittle quest]

Sticky bombs? Surprised no one's mentioned that.

[jaunty vapor]

Yeah for riot soldiers I normally just sticky bomb twice behind them, if not rocket at their side/back.

The rocket is a bit harder to aim from the ground, if you're in the air it's a bit easier. But stickies have a pretty side splash and are great at getting them.

[azure oriole]

Yes

[brittle quest]

Twice in my case😔

[azure oriole]

https://clips.twitch.tv/CalmBlatantLocustMVGame-qgm5gq5QFPfWoU-Q ballista boost is fun tho i need improvements with bhops

Floircato used the word "final boss" sarcastically to describe that lava bit, no need to take this literally

[jaunty vapor]

I'm guessing you're catching up with chat AsiJu, we established this already :P

[azure oriole]

All righty then

[jaunty vapor]

Just don't wanna retread ground and such.

[brittle quest]

That is some impressive gameplay👍

[azure oriole]

ty tho i can be horrible sometimes

[jaunty vapor]

They're not even that great in the grand scheme of things, but I for some reason love the motion of the camera on monkey bars into a ballista boost. Just feels cathartic

[azure oriole]

Yeah dw 👍
Elden Ring is a chore btw. I'm really, really conflicted abt it. But ot.

yeah it feels smooth asf

[proven swift]

I should try elden ring

[jaunty vapor]

Honestly though I feel like if someone wants to learn to get good at DE that's a good clip to show some good things to pick up on. Taking a boost pad and Ballista boosting is relatively easy to do but underrated with how mobile it actually is

Its the kinda stuff I take for granted but realize it may not be inherently obvious so I find it hard to explain lol

[azure oriole]

whats de?

[brittle quest]

Doom Eternal

[proven swift]

I think it is the short form for Doom Eternal

[azure oriole]

oh right lol

[azure oriole]

Disturbingly Erotic

[jaunty vapor]

Dreadfully Erect

[azure oriole]

I barely ballista boost, usually only to get away from somewhere. I need more practice with that.
Just that the sens that allows me to flick the aim 180 quickly messes my precision otherwise

[brittle quest]

You're saving yourself the carpal tunnel😔

[jaunty vapor]

That's fair. I think even if you're only rotating like 130 degrees, Ballista boosting can be decent. Plus like in rrdd's clip, sometimes you can just slowly set up the boost ahead of time

[azure oriole]

can anyone tell me whats the horde mode leaderboard rewards? i cant find anything about them on the patchnote

[jaunty vapor]

Although I will say Arm mouse movement has been a life saver vs. wrist movement, both for not getting carpal tunnel and just generally improving my performance

[brittle quest]

It's a banner for top one hundred, top one thousand and other such positions.

[jaunty vapor]

It took a little while to learn cause I used wrist for like 23 years but since I work with computers for a job I just shot the sens all the way down and forced myself to learn arm movement with mice

[azure oriole]

Ah, clever. I should learn that too tbh

[jaunty vapor]

The nice thing is it's very easy now for me to just "figure out" the right sens for a game. Basically I just make sure that moving my mouse from the left side of my pad to the right side is a full 360. Usually I keep my mouse centered, so doing 180s is extremely consistent, along with general aiming obviously

[azure oriole]

Oh yeah that too, makes sense

[jaunty vapor]

I'm not the first person to do that XD But when I started doing that it made aiming in games very consistent

[azure oriole]

Tho I'd probably fling the mouse to a wall, break it, get angry and sell the entire PC

[jaunty vapor]

Ya know, for games I'm good at. I'm still kinda poo at tracking. Flicks I can do, but tracking I'm

[valid wren]

Two letters

[azure oriole]

Lols! Btw what did you practice with, did you have some game in particular?

[green hemlock]

hey guys, i got top 100 in horde mode ultra violence before leaderboard reset

how do i claim my rewards?

[brittle quest]

It's automatic.

You'll get it as soon as the season ends.

[green hemlock]

where do i see them

[brittle quest]

They're in the banner menus

[green hemlock]

What were the rewards anyway? Can't seem to find'em

[brittle quest]

Just a banner stating your rank and difficulty of your best horde mode run

[azure oriole]

They're just title borders / banners

[brittle quest]

Tier one is the lowest, tier five is the highest I think

[green hemlock]

is it the "Tier 5 - Hard Difficulty Horde Reward" Title

oh, was expecting a skin or something for top 100 :<

[brittle quest]

Only BM streak skins😔

[azure oriole]

can u even beat the last arena fight in horde mode without the bfg

[green hemlock]

ultra violence, yes --- nightmare, n o

[azure oriole]

yeah i thought so

the screecher part was impossible without it

[green hemlock]

Had like 30ish extra lives on the last fight on nightmare

then lost all of them except my last extra life when the barons, marauders and the blue spirits came out

Had no choice but to bfg

Dealing with possessed marauders and barons at the same time on nightmare is not fun man

[azure oriole]

i dont mind barons but god i hate marauders

[green hemlock]

They're just too tanky and it's almost impossible to deal with when you cant combo them cuz possessed barons are also after u

[valid wren]

Eh with enough time marauders wont be such a problem

[jaunty vapor]

Not really any in particular. Play a lot of Overwatch so I just generally tried getting used to the new sensitivity while playing. I usually play a lot of games at one time so I'm sure there were other games where I just started getting use to it

The actual learning on "how to use my arm for my mouse" was mostly done on the job in all honesty. That was the main thing, getting comfortable sliding my whole arm around.

[azure oriole]

Got it

[azure forum]

Man playing this game with back paddles or back buttons makes an immense difference

[dim solar]

played it already, I'd say it's a one-time deal, not a game I would go back to

[azure oriole]

Heard that from others too

[azure oriole]

Takes one to know one...

[azure forum]

[azure oriole]

Uuh... Immora?

[lyric sphinx]

immora lol

[azure oriole]

The dlc songs are just named after level

[lyric sphinx]

there are different stems, you can find them by searching

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxTVaGqcF5Y

might be in here tho, are we allowed to post yt music

[burnt moss]

What did you map the paddles to?

[azure oriole]

hi

[azure forum]

Rocket Launcher and Ballista

Right now, on switch Hori Controller, I'm using:

X: HC
B: Ballista
R3: SSG
D pad Down: RL

Back buttons bind to B and Dpad Down

[sacred dirge]

Controller lol lol

[burnt moss]

Haha not really. I’m just leisurely playing NM repeatedly while you guys are all “watch me punch the Icon of Sin to death on 12 FPS with no health upgrades while my laptop gives me 1st-degree burns.” We are not the same.

[azure forum]

Yep, I don't know how to play on KM

[sacred dirge]

Me either

[azure forum]

[sacred dirge]

Actually makes my arm hurt

After an accident I had. 15 minutes max

Then it's just pain

[azure forum]

I just never had a gaming PC ever and now even when I've tried I just can't get used to the keyboard keys. I get lost

[azure oriole]

Lols!

Second degree burns tho...

[sacred dirge]

Vold has determination I'll give him that

[azure forum]

Yeah he's just an outlier

Just kidding Goldeneye. I personally don't enjoy the boss fights. I never replay them

[burnt moss]

But then you’ve got Mkain, the gUNless champ. And then Bloodshot casually talking about UN 100% as if it’s reasonable. You’re all crazy!

[proven swift]

Welp, an average slayer can do such things

[azure forum]

Mkain has a nonsense cult

[burnt moss]

I agree.

[azure oriole]

Do not search up muricaneagle on youtube then...

Or sylar

[burnt moss]

Lemme guess, 100% gUNless with half of an SNES controller ported onto a microwave screen

[burnt moss]

Thanks for fixing it. Thought I was having a stroke

[azure oriole]

🤣

Nah but he is a very high level player. Among others.

[proven swift]

You're welcome 👍

[jaunty vapor]

I will say I don't do 100% UN. Mostly due to weapon mastery routing, and I cant develop good muscle memory.

[burnt moss]

Can you explain that last part? How’s muscle memory different?

[azure oriole]

And I'm not a challenge guy or 100 % UN guy or a speedrunner.
Just a player, really

[azure forum]

Bloodshot why don't you do that UN 100% category? Is there an specific reason why ypu like the other categories more?

[burnt moss]

Wait I thought that said void

[jaunty vapor]

I have muscle memory for Restricted Any%, so I'll often go past an arena or after completing an arena keep going, then remember "oh yeah, collectibles"

[burnt moss]

Now you’ve reminded me that I can’t make SLOB work 😦

[azure oriole]

Still? Damn

[burnt moss]

Makes sense.

[jaunty vapor]

Stuff like that I find extremely hard to shake off, so for me learning hundo is annoying. Not impossible, and not inherently "unfun", but I like Restricted more and don't want to invest the time to learn Hundo (even if it's free views 😒 )

[azure oriole]

It's doable on switch

[azure forum]

Yep, it is

Took me time to get PB timing right, but now I can pull it off

[burnt moss]

Haven’t tried recently but I really think there’s a problem with my LOB. Instead of the graphic and the weapon-swivel occurring simultaneously, it says “locked” and THEN does the swivel to prepare for LOB.

[lyric sphinx]

hello, just wanted to say u are very impressive. trying de on controller because I wanted to see if I could git gud at that too, remapping today before I build muscle memory

[jaunty vapor]

That's cool to hear. Getting a set of controller binds (without paddles) has been a work-in-progress for me for awhile XD

I always flip flop on where to put weapon wheel.

[azure oriole]

Is there a speedrun category for 100 % combat (only)?

[jaunty vapor]

Or dash. One of the two I never feel comfortable with

[jaunty vapor]

https://www.speedrun.com/doom_eternal#All_Combat_Encounters

[azure forum]

4WW Size is the way to go on controller

[jaunty vapor]

There's a few members who love doing ACE, but with only so much time in the day they just havent done many runs.

Bowsr in particular doesn't have a good ISP so he doesn't stream :( Which is a crime against Doom itself cause he's easily the best player, and I'll stand by that til the day I die

[azure oriole]

Bowsr yeah

[lyric sphinx]

yeah I could go for paddles but the whole point of me checking out controller is the added difficulty. I'm assuming I want to keep thumbs on the sticks virtually all the time, perhaps sprint and dash on RL3s, wonder if I can fit weapon wheel and equipment into the triggers nicely

do you have a controller bindings post somewhere? I'm curious

[jaunty vapor]

The other day Deceptix and I were discussing a theoretical thing that MMA mentioned, "bringing Berserk into the Arc Complex Slayer gate", because it was close on console but console can't move after fast travel due to current patch. When we told people, within like 10 minutes Bowsr was like "I did it :)" the absolute mad lad.

[azure forum]

I've been doing a lot of testing with controller. I got a pretty good setup thay you can try but you have to sacrifice stuff (No BFG, no Weapon Mod change)

[jaunty vapor]

I don't actually. I could check after work and let you know, but I will mention I dont do a lot of controller play.

[lyric sphinx]

that's fine, only if you want too :)

[jaunty vapor]

When I use controller it's to make sure I know how controller players can do skips, but I feel like others here would probably have better binds than me XD

[azure oriole]

Hold up, you mean backtracking from the kitchen arena, with the berserk, to slayer gate?

[lyric sphinx]

how often do you have to quickswap mods for melting anyway?

[azure forum]

Never, that's why, but some people like to "use all Weapon mods because all of them are useful" if you know what I mean

[azure oriole]

hi

[lyric sphinx]

I never got the hang of quickswapping as a whole, and I also stumbled through nightmare without ice or belch because I'm quite lazy lol

[jaunty vapor]

Yeah, you do the kitchen fight with Dblade mostly. Then you do hentai turret skip, kill Marauder, get fast travel, do... Whatever it is hundo does, then when you're gonna do the Slayer gate you grab berserk and immediately fast travel (you must have opened the door beforehand though, not enough time to open the door with berserk)

[craggy leaf]

yo

[lyric sphinx]

I have never been so unhappy on my first playthrough than getting stuck in the kitchen snake closet

[jaunty vapor]

You barely have enough time before the Tyrants spawn, but once they do and if you get lucky enough you can daisy chain berserk to get both Tyrants and most heavies. Possibly even the Doom hunter

[lyric sphinx]

let me oute

[jaunty vapor]

I always hate getting stuck on the Pinky that breaks the door down after the fight

[burnt moss]

You don’t use a stick for dash?

[craggy leaf]

i hate pinkies

[jaunty vapor]

I think I do use stick for dash, but I never feel comfortable with it

[azure oriole]

Next bring up the theoretical concept of finishing the slayer gate with berserk active...

[jaunty vapor]

I know Right bumper is jump, I THINK left bumper is weapon wheel... Other than that my binds are a mystery XD

[lyric sphinx]

doesn't the pinky show up before the room is cleared? what are we talking about, I haven't played in awhile, I thought you could control that trigger by staying away from that wall

[jaunty vapor]

There's a few pinkies. One breaks the kitchen down when you get close, but there's one that breaks the door down once you complete the fight itself so you can leave

[craggy leaf]

try the ice bomb on pinkies

[lyric sphinx]

mfw I never thought of this

[jaunty vapor]

Back in the day when we actually did that fight in Restricted Any% we'd just dash over him, but sometimes he'd get you stuck anyways and we never wanted to waste Blood Punch cause we needed it for the Doom Hunter in Mars Core

[lyric sphinx]

I like pinkies more than snek, I think

[jaunty vapor]

I kinda still miss old Arc Complex :(

[lyric sphinx]

is it that hard to charge BP? aren't u far away, or is this strats for big brain speedrunners

[azure oriole]

Lol, speedrunner mentality big time.
Cant use blood punch in arc because need it in mars core 😀

[jaunty vapor]

Glory kills are just inherently slow is all, even with savagery

[lyric sphinx]

I never use savagery, I need my iframes to think :'(

[jaunty vapor]

FINALLY someone gets it :D

[lyric sphinx]

:D

[azure oriole]

On the topic of getting stuck, I hate getting stuck on geo in general.
And boy does the geo stick

[jaunty vapor]

For speedrunning Savagery is only used because we HAVE to glory kill the 3 Doom Hunters in DHB, but otherwise I don't think it'd be taken. But for just general survivability, Savagery is a detriment

[azure oriole]

My own fault really for using the ground I guess, lel

[jaunty vapor]

Dunno if you were active at this point but at one point they had "bouncy walls" which were worse than sticky walls. It was... Dumb.

They reverted that change but they said "reverted sticky walls" because of weird communication

[lyric sphinx]

does anyone favor ballista for pinkie tails

[azure oriole]

Sometimes yeah

[jaunty vapor]

I usually do SSG or PB Rocket for pinky tails

[mint bane]

howdy bois

[lyric sphinx]

when you think you're experience bad frame timing but it's actually just sticky geo

[azure oriole]

Ooh that makes more sense, the patch notes drove me nuts

[mint bane]

I have just played through doom eternal's entire canon story on ultra nightmare
campaign -> ancient gods 1 -> ancient gods 2

all in one run, one after the other.

just wanted to share this with yall I went hard this run

[lyric sphinx]

why not slippery walls :c

[lyric sphinx]

[jaunty vapor]

Personally I just want the walls they had before TAG1 >_>

[lyric sphinx]

my goal this next playthrough is to actually learn pb rocket like everyone else

[azure oriole]

Sweet!

[jaunty vapor]

Actually that's a lie, the only change I really wish they'd do is the Icon of Sin no longer stun locking since its a full minute time loss for no good reason on current patch.

[lyric sphinx]

wait does savagery buy you something else besides fast animations?

[burnt moss]

The only issue I think I have is that I’m growing attached to Arbalest. Bonus damage might be more valuable than Dblade

[lyric sphinx]

but muh crowd control

[mint bane]

my frst time accomplishing this as well so I'm hyped rn

[jaunty vapor]

Nah, it's just fast animations. It's just that the boss Doom Hunters NEED to be glory killed, and by picking up Savagery somewhere, even with the time needed to pick up the rune, it saves a few seconds per Doom Hunter boss

So there's no reason not to take Savagery in that case

[azure oriole]

Bonus damage to cacos and pe's only, mind

[azure forum]

I used to use Remote a lot before, now I don't miss it at all. I am more than fine just using the same 6 Weapon mods. Makes it easier. Even for TAG2 if you wonder - I would never use FA even if it is the weapon to kill Stone imps. Garbage Weapon Mod 😂

[lyric sphinx]

I forget that people are good enough to care about seconds rather than deaths

[jaunty vapor]

Basically it's Air Control -> Savagery for Restricted Any%. Equipment Fiend is debatable if it could save time, but even if it could it'd be very unreliable

[lyric sphinx]

[azure oriole]

Do you use a third rune at all?

[jaunty vapor]

Nope.

[lyric sphinx]

I wonder if anyone does stuff like no boost/air control

[jaunty vapor]

Not for Restricted anyways.

[lyric sphinx]

just hanging in the air waiting to get imped

[burnt moss]

Yeah that’s the thing.

[azure oriole]

The real pros have only seconds between their deaths 😎

[lyric sphinx]

me expert

[jaunty vapor]

I actually routed "Low%" where you skip as much as possible. You skip chainsaw, Heavy Rifle, Chaingun, and other crap.

And you can EITHER skip dash OR air control. So far, skipping both is almost possible but not feasible in a run

[azure oriole]

Same

[burnt moss]

How do you deal with them then?

[azure forum]

Dblade

Chainsaw, Hammer

[jaunty vapor]

I actually think low % is very fun, until Icon of Sin. That's the one fight that makes low% a slog/boring

[burnt moss]

But they keep respawning at the end. Not enough time to charge that many times

[lyric sphinx]

chainsaw
where ammo

I think giving up air control is harder for survivability

[azure forum]

That's the main thing when playing BM

[timid relic]

almost done with un. Nek rn

[azure oriole]

Oh that's right, chainsaw is actually not progress essential.
Never thought of that before

[jaunty vapor]

Well luckily one mod is required in Hell on Earth so you can use sticky bombs

[lyric sphinx]

more cheese than america

[azure oriole]

Bfg to the balls

[jaunty vapor]

It is supposed to be actually.

But box skip

[burnt moss]

Required?

[timid relic]

can you beat the game on gamer mode?

👌

[lyric sphinx]

door doesn't open on first bot iirc

[jaunty vapor]

The door after the box in the barge only opens when you pick a mod.

[azure forum]

You do, you just have to stay in the air and charge from there. Rinse and repeat. If not, I think Headshots put them easily in GK state

[timid relic]

that's not true

you can no clip with the ballista glitch

[azure oriole]

Ah you need a skip okay, just thought you can walk past it and go forward

[burnt moss]

Ballista glitch in Hell on Earth?

[jaunty vapor]

...uhuh.

And where do you get Ballista in Hell on Earth?

[timid relic]

No

I thought you said on mars core cuz there's one

[jaunty vapor]

Yeah, I had been using the Restricted/NMG ruleset so some skips/glitches were allowed (it's the only way to skip chainsaw aside from if you did any% and just did slope boosts)

[timid relic]

Just put yourself against the wall and spam that thing

[burnt moss]

I didn’t know about headshots. I wish this game emphasized them more. Do headshots work on all demons?

[azure oriole]

giveall

[timid relic]

Cap meter is going off the charts

[azure forum]

Nah, don't give free cheesing to people

[lyric sphinx]

I can't shorten hell on earth

[burnt moss]

Not for cheesing. For resting. I might have beaten TN ML if I could take a few days on that last encounter

[lyric sphinx]

me mesaage poof, sad days

[lyric sphinx]

was the early days scroll glitch tied to any weapon at all, and did that ever get patched out, I wouldn't know, I actually play my game.

[azure forum]

I get it, I've been there. I've lost a lot of runs to glitches and such in UN MLs, but I still prefer it that way especially after learning that people cheese UN

[jaunty vapor]

It was just tied to spamming jump on a slope, no weapon required. It did get patched out very quickly though

[burnt moss]

Haha do what you need to make UN harder for elitists, but I just want to finish all the MLs once on NM. Not being able to save it for later makes it horrible

[azure forum]

That's the point too though. UN is not required. The MLs don't give milestones (right?)

I guess they could have done thay in NM

[lyric sphinx]

audible dev dissapointment in the ign vid

unmakyr is cheese for chums, unlike me (guy who avoided the slayer gates because he wasn't so good)

[burnt moss]

You’re the only one talking about UN though. We just want to be able to reload checkpoints later. If Campaign required finishing a level or boss in one sitting, fewer would finish the game even once than already do.

[azure forum]

Yeah, I think they should have removed that from the prizes. Maybe just give UN it's own prize and give the skin for completing the rest

[lyric sphinx]

actually no

[azure forum]

I said, they could have given it for NM or lower. I don't care if they give checkpoints or savepoints for that

[lyric sphinx]

I'm a very lazy player, I won't change up my strats unless I really start dying

[azure forum]

I agree that it would make ML a better experience

[lyric sphinx]

smol brain hours

goal for next playthrough is learning how to chain and melt and quickswap so I can sit at the big boy table

[azure forum]

Just like I think the skin should have been given for beating the other 9 challenges

<@&162901871168585728>

[lyric sphinx]

[burnt moss]

Leave

[river dragon]

yes get me banned

[lyric sphinx]

no thank u

[azure forum]

They will. Take your stupidity somewhere else

[burnt moss]

And fuck your Oreo

[slow sigil]

why so shit

it's just NM but you are forced to take extra lives

then wait till you do ML UN

[lyric sphinx]

wait isn't extra life mode just soft UN, seems like a good stepping stone

[slow sigil]

not necessarily, cause if you die in UN you actually die, unlike in EL where you can still just keep fighting if you die a few times

normal NM would be better to train for UN since... well since death actually punishes you

[azure forum]

Extra life mode is a great Mode to play honestly. I think it can definitely be fun for the majority of players not wanting to stress with UN

[lyric sphinx]

ohh, I see, I thought it was like mario

I just play doom games on nightmare

[slow sigil]

nahhh, if you die with an extra life you get brought back up to max HP

[lyric sphinx]

I've forgor many things in my absence

[burnt moss]

If that cheese doesn’t work on ML, does that mean a crash on UN ML ends the run?

[azure forum]

Yep

Sadly it does. It has happened a ton of times to me in MC and WS

[slow sigil]

MLs dont have saves cause they didnt implement it in when they first made saves and such

[burnt moss]

I actually have beef with that. Better to give cheese than to remove recourse for shitty programming.

[azure forum]

I completely agree with you my fossil fuel friend

[slow sigil]

marauders also have some cool ones

[azure forum]

I think they fixed Mars core bug on that. I haven't tried in a while tbh

[lyric sphinx]

when someone attempts to cheese and play defensive but cursed prowlar

[burnt moss]

No I mean Bethesda itself is a running joke in the gaming community, so the least they can do is protect the player from how bad their games are at glitching/crashing

[azure forum]

I like MC ML a lot, I just hate that intro elevator part. Like, just remove it for the ML.

[slow sigil]

or... you know... make it skippable

[burnt moss]

Remove it from the campaign too

[slow sigil]

just like the FUCKING TINY CUTSCENES

[jaunty vapor]

Note: Bethesda just published Doom Eternal, id developed Doom Eternal.

Doesn't mean they didn't code it like shit but just wanna make it clear

[azure forum]

We can always dream dear Luci 😂

[slow sigil]

if you use a mod which just straightup removes them it only glitches out like twice, if you do some stuff too fast

[slow sigil]

so obviously it isnt an actual problem

[lyric sphinx]

we gotta know that when the slayer arrives, all the underwear in a 5km radius is brown

[azure forum]

Mars core elevator and "against all the evil..." are just too much

[slow sigil]

even in my dreams it isnt fixed

[jaunty vapor]

Giving what all players have been asking for since launch?

Nah let's add some more invisible walls

[burnt moss]

So that means the Bethesda jokes don’t really apply to DE because Bethesda didn’t program it directly?

[slow sigil]

invisible killzone in the elevator when

[slow sigil]

it still flows through it

[azure forum]

But we all know they have left them to make speedrunning... spicy... 😂

[jaunty vapor]

Technically yes. But that said it IS funny that even though it's not coded by Bethesda it sure does feel like it lol

[azure oriole]

Imagine playing a doom game directed by Todd the Godd

[lyric sphinx]

their graphics engine team is godly though, my personal heros for "make picture fast"

[lyric sphinx]

1000 planets

16 times the detail

[slow sigil]

10,000 randomly generated arenas

[lyric sphinx]

warframe did that tho, I liked it

[azure oriole]

Size on disk: 92TB

[lyric sphinx]

doom doesn't work like that though

somewhere on the idTech servers is that room with 4 cursed prowlars Hugo said didn't make the cut

[burnt moss]

Definitely ironic

[lyric sphinx]

[azure oriole]

Each toilet on every planet has a dedicated 16k megatexture

[jaunty vapor]

I always laugh when people.say they want open world Doom (hasn't been seen in awhile tbf) cause like... There's no way they could make a big world with a lot of GOOD arenas ya know?

[azure oriole]

Semi-linear doom would kick ass tbh

Kinda how the souls series does it

[jaunty vapor]

I could maybe see that

[lyric sphinx]

looks at open world sonic

[slow sigil]

metroidvania like doom game

[slow sigil]

yayyy i love slowly walking to each arena....
people who complain about having to move between arenas in eternal would hate Open world 🤢

[burnt moss]

Since the whole campaign is focused on decreasing corruption levels, you could do some of the levels out of order. Not too different from Zelda OoT

[jaunty vapor]

Metroid Prime 4 is gonna be great, my grandkids are gonna love it when it finally releases
🤣 😄 😩 😫

[lyric sphinx]

fromsoft be like, let's put the cursed archvile sg right outside the tutorial zone

[slow sigil]

ngl having it be that it's still mostly linear campaign (or you can choose which levels to visit first, like super mario odyssey) and having semi-linear levels (like shortcuts to do some arenas early) or choosing which side to do first (a la urdak/blood swamps) would be so cool

it makes the game so much more replayable while not even being that much extremely more coding

[lyric sphinx]

yis

[burnt moss]

Isn’t there a spot on Urdak where you can choose which booster to use, which direction to go?

[jaunty vapor]

Levels like Urdak or Blood Swamps would be cool to see more of.

[slow sigil]

yes, kinda like bloodswamps

[burnt moss]

Oh yeah

[jaunty vapor]

Honestly just give me 10 Urdaks, literally best level in the game

[lyric sphinx]

I love me some 3d printed bonsai

[slow sigil]

you only love it for it's sausage dont you

but ngl only for urdak it is a tad cheating because one of the boosters is right in front of you when you approach them, giving a slight choosing bias for that side

[burnt moss]

Good

[jaunty vapor]

I'm not NOT saying I want 10 sausage skips

[lyric sphinx]

can someone tell me why slayer can be used as a bullet but still die from an imp swipe

[burnt moss]

Keep the game mostly linear but leave flexibility for those who want to shake it up

It’s especially funny when he’s not wearing his suit

[lyric sphinx]

his biceps defy the vacuum of space anyway

[jaunty vapor]

I think it's Borderlands logic

For reference in Borderlands, a character only dies for real if it's in a cutscene.

So Doom Slayer is REALLY powerful... In cutscenes

[lyric sphinx]

ah I see, juiced cinematography

[burnt moss]

Do I want to know?

[jaunty vapor]

I'm sure I've shared it before

[burnt moss]

Just, why sausage

[azure forum]

"Hyperion is not responsible for any fingers, toes, or breasts added during the respawn process"

[jaunty vapor]

Actually here's the link I sent you awhile ago XD

[jaunty vapor]

Cause you need a big one to perform the skip

(I did not name it btw)

[drowsy quarry]

I need to know how I can get this special doom guy dont know the name tho

[slow sigil]

its cool

[lyric sphinx]

are u doing okay doggie

[slow sigil]

but bloodshoot, i havent done it yet

[jaunty vapor]

Having a big one is only necessary to perform it, doesn't mean you have done it.

[slow sigil]

ah alright

[burnt moss]

I played the game on every difficulty before NM

[drowsy quarry]

[lyric sphinx]

damn, slow burn

[burnt moss]

Ain’t you a girl

[azure oriole]

UN could be an exception on master levels. Well, since it's un you have to do it in one go anyway.
Other modes could allow resuming from checkpoint imo.

[azure forum]

Yep I fully agree

[lyric sphinx]

having administration issues up there?

[slow sigil]

still got a bigger sausage then you got smh

[drowsy quarry]

Wdym

[jaunty vapor]

Daaaamn

[burnt moss]

In fact I decided after beating 2016 on UV that that was far enough, so I was going to stop at UV on this game too.

[lyric sphinx]

Hugo actually said 2016 was balanced for uv and de was balanced for nm

[burnt moss]

https://tenor.com/view/a-lot-of-damage-gif-21579882

[azure forum]

2016 in UN is brutal. Also, I hate that glitch that doesn't let you change weapons.

[drowsy quarry]

[burnt moss]

What a coincidence!

[lyric sphinx]

you played it the way @drowsy quarry intended

[slow sigil]

next one will be for UN sheez

[drowsy quarry]

Ah yes

[burnt moss]

I can’t imagine deathless where fall kills you

[lyric sphinx]

[azure oriole]

But one feature I'd want for master level un: have the freaking start over button on death screen

[lyric sphinx]

no, go back to ur menu and think about what u have done

[azure forum]

Yep, that's another thing that I personally don't like from 2016. "Shit I didn't make it to the platform..." You died!

[burnt moss]

UNnecessary

[azure forum]

And remove all cuts cenes once again. Honestly, in my opinion, in ML, all those "opening doors buttons" and such should just be replaced with portals directly to the arena.

[azure oriole]

Mars core lift... plus having to start from the menu each time...
Like do you want me to play the level or not ffs

[lyric sphinx]

when u punch the door but there is an imp around the corner on the other side of the arena

[azure forum]

Or when you randomly punch buff totems and waste BPs

[azure oriole]

Or blood punch switches

Yes that happens too

Tho rather this than bp not working on enemies

[azure oriole]

Optional HD texture pack: 100 TB

[azure forum]

Not working on enemies is just plain the worst especially when it doesn't work on Cyber mancs or DHs

[azure oriole]

Yup

[midnight sparrow]

When you randomly punch anything and it wastes a BP

[azure forum]

Best feeling, isn't it?

[midnight sparrow]

[fluid cedar]

Guys

I need help with an achivement

[unkempt jetty]

What is the achievement?

[vivid cliff]

Yes what is the achievement?

@fluid cedar answer the council

[unkempt jetty]

…

[vivid cliff]

I recorded nektovol part 2 yesterday except I stopped recording 1/3 way through so I had to replay the level and the stupid glory kill challenges

But in that process I found the most fun challenge in DE

Get to the final arena of nekrovol part 2. Without having done the blood punch challenge yet.

You manage that final fight so you can get 5 punch multikills in that one arena and it's a lot of fun to coordinate your glory kills for it

[unkempt jetty]

I’m good

[vivid cliff]

Trust me though. It is a lot of fun

[unkempt jetty]

I’ll think about it

[vivid cliff]

I'd recommend it one day. I had a blast doing it

Hey what's the marauder one cycle combo ?

[azure oriole]

pb 2 grenades rocket double lock on

[vivid cliff]

What is PB

[azure oriole]

precision bolt

[vivid cliff]

It is? I thought it was arbslest then that stuff

[azure oriole]

arbalest overkill

[vivid cliff]

I keep messing up the timing on that combo. I've only done it once

[unkempt jetty]

The marauder is easily nerfed in The Ancient Gods Pt 2

All you gotta do is stun him, hit him with the hammer, ballista and super shotgun

do that twice, around that, and he’s long gone… at least, that’s how I do it

[slow sigil]

If you gotta do it twixe even IF you hammer you're doing something wrong

If you hammer it's an easy 1 cycle, and you can already easily 2 cycle them by bal-ssg-bal or pb-bal twice without hammer

[azure forum]

Once you learn slobs, you can do it in a single cycle without hammer.

[dusk copper]

is there improved performance if i upgrade to windows 11

[sacred dirge]

Hey guys I slob

[unkempt jetty]

eh fair enough

I’ve never cared all that much about specific combos, but I get why they’d be important

[flint flame]

Don’t think so no

[burnt moss]

My argument is that HMP is default, and damage is x1 on that difficulty

[azure oriole]

i just finished the tag1 today and it was awesome but the story confused me a bit looking forward for tag2 i'm saving up for it

[burnt moss]

What confused you?

[azure oriole]

How was dr Hayden the seraphim all along and everyone is ok with it idk I didn't get it and the whole thing with the father idk I think i need to read the codex again to understand maybe

[lyric sphinx]

why do u need more

[dusk copper]

My computer can barely run the game

[fluid cedar]

Srry for not answering,i already got the achievement

[vivid cliff]

but what was it

[burnt moss]

The Seraphim was captured by the UAC and they put his essence into the robot I think

[lyric sphinx]

that's terrible, this game runs at like 100 fps on a potato

BTW, I doubt win11 will help, it'll probably make it worse

[burnt moss]

Why can’t I tag monologue?

And why did one of my messages get deleted? I said: Does everyone agree that Journalists should play HMP?

[molten pier]

Nah man I have all low and it just about gets 30 to 60 fps

[lyric sphinx]

inexplicable dragon

[burnt moss]

What dragon?

[random vault]

hi doom

[azure oriole]

no that’s not how that works

[mossy nova]

bababooey the dragon (the one in tag 2)

[brittle quest]

A little bit, but windows 10 is so fucking bad I would recommend against it.

[last hamlet]

Thats their official name

[cosmic geyser]

Deag Ranak is a Hell Priest one of three coordinating the demonic invasion of Earth at the behest of the Khan Maykr and died in the 22 century

Yw

[burnt moss]

Oh so that’s a TAIL?

[mossy nova]

what

im currently waiting to be accepted into a 1000 players minecraft video

[burnt moss]

I did not realize that was a dragon

[mossy nova]

okay

[unreal spear]

I'm about to complete the eternal campaign in 2 days even with collage classes lmao

[sour valley]

its pretty awesome story do u have the dlc?

[azure oriole]

The thing the slayer rides? What did you think it was?

Okay it is not referenced as a dragon in codex but... it's a dragon

[random vault]

it was obviously an armadillo

[azure oriole]

Ah

Lol

[random vault]

can’t believe he thought it was a dragon, smh

anyways

[random vault]

hi how are you

[azure oriole]

Getting better, thanks for asking

[random vault]

i always ask everyone, i want to know anothers well being, and glad to hear your feeling well

[azure oriole]

Yeah ik, it's common courtesy to say "thanks for asking" or such

[random vault]

uh yeah ig

[azure oriole]

trial of maligog is the best track in the game

[random vault]

which one is that

[azure oriole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSJLMvd0SHo

[short pewter]

baba boi

[burnt moss]

Actually I forgot there was a dragon. I stopped watching the cutscenes a while ago. I thought he was making stuff up

[azure oriole]

bru

[signal spear]

immora better

But in fact - every track is good and listens outside the game. Except BFG Division. This is the best soundtrack in the Universe.

[tulip burrow]

Baen

Hello just joined the discord,saw the link on doom eternal

[signal spear]

hi

[vivid quarry]

hi

[indigo sierra]

I just wanted to share some of my joy with you.
After months without playing Doom,
I came back and finally completed Master Level Ultra-Nightmare World Spear.
Damn that was a hell of a challenge.

[azure oriole]

sup

[signal spear]

Hell of a challange - unreclaimed earth, son.

[indigo sierra]

sorry, i didn't meantion correctly, i mean the ML one

[cyan frigate]

proud of you. 😎👍 love beating that ml on un

[brittle quest]

Good job on that, WS ML is the hardest base game one

[signal spear]

I beat all ML on UN. I feel sad.

[mossy nova]

doom eternal feeling good ripping and tearing a few mistakes while playing tho

[random vault]

congrats

[mossy nova]

like dashing the wrong way and accidently swapping gun mods

but it was a smooth flow even on low fps

[mossy nova]

congrats

[violet mica]

Baba boi

[mossy nova]

FBI

[azure oriole]

Hi

[cyan frigate]

whats up gamers 😎👍

[azure oriole]

I aciddently dashed into a wall instead of jump pad and Doom hunter Slapped my ass from 100armor and 150hp to 0 armor and 40hp UN

[vivid cliff]

i just played the first level of tag1

YYOOOOOOO THIS IS LIT

[tulip burrow]

Gn people Imma gts

[azure oriole]

Time to play some doom eternal

[mossy nova]

Mmmm

another cat entered my moms house again my mom and me didnt notice it come in

[azure oriole]

and then that cat slapped you in the face and ruined your UN run while you were fighting Icon of Sin

[mossy nova]

i dont play UN

[royal path]

Thanks, man; have been man down with the COVID so haven't been able to attempt again.

[wraith sail]

THE CARCASSES ARE SAVING ME FROM THE SPIRITED MARAUDERS

[azure oriole]

Well played, that level gave me more rectal problems than I care to admit...

[azure oriole]

It's actually a Wintherin!

We don't really know much about Wintherin, other than Immora has their own breed for some reason. The Sentinels use them as war-beasts.

[brazen furnace]

wisconsin

[stray arrow]

having a lot of fun replaying the game in nightmare and getting all collectibles

[south summit]

🇮🇱

[brazen furnace]

hungarian mfs after inventing the most insane language in europe

[brazen furnace]

i can agree

[stray arrow]

?

[azure oriole]

I personally like to think the Wintherin were demon monsters that the Argenta captured and domesticated.

[brazen furnace]

i prefer Intel

[azure oriole]

Ah yes, the next of kin to Summherout

[stray arrow]

hmm do i play the game on ultra nightmare first or do i 100% my ultra violence save on nightmare

i mean i only have 2 levels left for 100%

[azure oriole]

Well maybe 100% first ig.

[stray arrow]

yea

[azure oriole]

You might want to remember Praetor tokens spots, etc if you want 100% or just whatever is good for the run.

how do i practice my aim?

[stray arrow]

do i even have ultra nightmare as an option? i only beat the game at ultra violence

[stray arrow]

maybe demon prison

[azure oriole]

Either play aim trainers, play the game often, etc.

hm, alright

[mossy nova]

My aim is very good

[azure oriole]

You should do Nightmare instead, I doubt you can pass Hell on Earth - Cultist Base on UN.

[stray arrow]

lol yeah

i beat the game in like 3 days

on uv, idk if nightmare is gonna be a problem

[azure oriole]

Cool, I forgot how many days did I take to finally complete Doom Eternal.

[vast kettle]

You know what I would want as a Rocket Launcher mod?
Rocket Jumping, just like Quake.

[mossy nova]

For a average succesfull nightmare run or ultra violence run takes me 3 days to finish

[vast kettle]

That would be fucking awesome.

[stray arrow]

wouldnt you get damaged a lot?

[azure oriole]

Well, maybe it is. Though with right strategy and all you can complete it.

[stray arrow]

just meat hook

[vast kettle]

Yes! So it'd require a lot of skill to use.

[mossy nova]

Theres balista booting

[grand turret]

just move smh

[stray arrow]

there's what

[vast kettle]

Never heard of that, might give that a quick search.

[azure oriole]

Ballista boosting, you can search it on YouTube to find out about it.

[mossy nova]

I use balista boosting when theres a long or medium hallway so for more speed

[stray arrow]

wait you can change the color scheme of the ui??

[mossy nova]

Yes

[azure oriole]

Yeah you can in the settings.

In the UI settings iirc.

[mossy nova]

https://youtu.be/fr06QpmoDxQ im still bad at balista boosting but im decent and bad at it

[mossy nova]

There are UAC (Cool black light blue red color) DEMONS (multi color very awesome 80s colors) EXTERMINATOR ( Very cool red yellow angry color) AMBER (not cool gold yellow color) SENTINEL (decent cyan color) i main demons ui color but i do like Uac too but i use demons because purple blue

And high contrast

Its for color blind people or something

[stray arrow]

cant play doom rn, i'll check that later

[royal fractal]

can u play slayer gates in mls?

[mossy nova]

No you cant for some reason

[flint flame]

No it makes sense, they’d have to create a slayer gate that’s even harder than what you fight in the master level, which is already meant to be hard

[slow sigil]

probably cause in the first one they didnt even know what to do with it lol, already made the encounters themselves very good so wtf you gotta do with the slayer gate

taras nabad's lil reward inside the gate was nice though

esp because it's just before one of the harder fights

[stray arrow]

wait what reward

[brittle quest]

modded slayer gates😩

[mossy nova]

Fun fact: cultist base master level is the first master level

[stray arrow]

oh right mods

[slow sigil]

||there is an encounter within the slayer gate room and after you get an extra live||

[mossy nova]

Dont trust it

[stray arrow]

i did not

[flint flame]

Fun facts are supposed to be fun

[stray arrow]

what how did i not see it

[mossy nova]

Wdym

[stray arrow]

elaborate, maybe in dm's?

[brittle quest]

Actual fun fact: downloading cosmetic unlocker also unlocks the cb master level for free😹

[slow sigil]

weird, fairly certain one appeared after

[molten pier]

NIghtmare then do ultra nightmare

[mossy nova]

Buying it feels better for me

[molten pier]

but its all up to you

[mossy nova]

Balls

[slow sigil]

5 bucks is a lil bit much considering it's not even up to par with new mls tbf

[molten pier]

Indeed

[stray arrow]

oop

[slow sigil]

especially because doom2016 during sale is THE SAME FUCKING PRICE

like how in the fuck is 1 dated master level worth the price of doom 2016???

[mossy nova]

Do i care about master levels i only use it to train myself

[stray arrow]

i wanna replay it but that slayer gate is just fucking insane

[brittle quest]

😔

[flint flame]

[slow sigil]

sure you have 1 revenant skin (battlemode is meh) and a shotgun skin (it's the classic one which is nice ig but how much do you really use shotgun anyways) soo

[mossy nova]

"We have come for your nectar"

[slow sigil]

you never fight the slayer gate though, and as an encounter it's not harder then other fights within the ML

[mossy nova]

If i go silent thats means that my tablet is dead

[brittle quest]

(both of which also get unlocked by unlocker)

I'm going to get warned today

[stray arrow]

wait you're talking about master levels?

[slow sigil]

yeh

we where talking about TN ML right

[stray arrow]

didnt start with those yet lmao

[mossy nova]

Gtg guys

[slow sigil]

rip, sorry probs one of us got confused

[stray arrow]

i thought you meant normal taras nabad lol

[slow sigil]

lmfao, nah dw that one just has a slayer key

[stray arrow]

thank god i dont wanna touch that slayer gate again

[slow sigil]

only real reward you get from slayer gates is the experience of the encouter

[stray arrow]

yes

[brittle quest]

You get the SKILL

[slow sigil]

also didnt that slayer gate have a buff totem? i love buff totem rooms

i wished the game had more forced totems cause it now just feels like you just gotta rush the totem instead of actually having to fight the buffed demons

[brittle quest]

I'd be in support of that, except that buffed demons in general have fucked AI which hardly seems balanced

I love haste on demons

[azure oriole]

hi

[stray arrow]

hi

[brittle quest]

hi

[azure oriole]

hi

[brittle quest]

hi

[stray arrow]

hi

[brittle quest]

hi

[azure oriole]

hi

[brittle quest]

hi

[azure oriole]

hi

[stray arrow]

very doom eternal chat

[azure oriole]

👍

[brittle quest]

👍

[stray arrow]

i love spam

[azure forum]

hi

[slow sigil]

fuck it

[stray arrow]

i hate buff totems

i never bother to fight buffed demons except for when they're in front of me

[azure oriole]

hi

[strange gale]

haste on top of 100+ fps already breaking dc into iotas

[slow sigil]

buff totem fights are fuck cause of the dumb speed

[azure oriole]

what's up

[azure oriole]

someone finally understands

every time i run the game i just rush down the totems

[slow sigil]

every single non forced totem fight is basically to just remember the totem spot or run around till you find it

[azure oriole]

right

[slow sigil]

that's not fun and doesnt make sense, then you can just aswell not have the totem there

[azure oriole]

Fuck buff totems.

[slow sigil]

sounds unsafe

[azure oriole]

also not to mention the buff totem blood punch bug still happens

[proven swift]

well that gets annoying

[azure oriole]

Archies are much worse than them

i think the only time they were actually ever used effectively was during sgn because on a first playthrough you had to actually fight the demons

[slow sigil]

that's just an issue with GKing in general yeah

just happens more with buff totems

[azure oriole]

Archviles are cool and interesting! Buff totems are not.

[azure oriole]

but archies and totems do the same thing but archies can spawn ton of buffed enemies if not killed totems cant.

[azure oriole]

and archies appear in large amounts totem's not

:(

[azure oriole]

Yeah but again Archviles are cool and interesting, they're badass demon enemies you can fight and they're actually cool.

Buff totems are lame.

[azure oriole]

but besides being badass and anything they're just an annoying summoner and that's all.

[proven swift]

I loved its reveal in the e3 trailer

[azure oriole]

it’s a shame they didn’t keep that

[azure oriole]

They Have an hp like a baron prob and will spawn tons of buffed crap

Yeah and it's awesome.

[proven swift]

and also the fact that they can dodge lock ons by teleporting can make them somewhat a huge threat (unless you stun them or freeze them)

[azure oriole]

Just freeze and lob

Nerd talk

[proven swift]

Or just lock stun them using microwave and some grenades 👍 💀

[valid wren]

The most nerd thing i see right now is your name tbh

[azure oriole]

that works too.

freeze, then 1 frag, then bp, then lock on

I always freeze and lock on

[proven swift]

or auto 👍

[azure oriole]

then I go for a second one with frag and lock on

Depends if 1 frag is enough then I will throw 1 more cuz they can teleport

[strange gale]

that's not specific to buff totems, the issue is that because the punch button is bound to two actions, punch and gk (or more accurately punch and use, just think of glory killing as pressing one of the green buttons in the game), sometimes the game creates a bp hitbox where it makes no sense to

you can bp gibs, so gibs being next to a buff totem means you're more than likely to bp there

[azure oriole]

that’s really stupid

[stray arrow]

how does battlemode matchmaking work? does it look for players in the region you're connected to or

[flint flame]

Actual discussion of how to deal with archviles is nerd talk

[azure oriole]

evil batman 👿👿👿

[strange gale]

the game checks for glory killable targets horizontally in a 120 degree arc (60 deg to the left and right) from your viewpoint, so sometimes you can simultaneously be within bp range but not within gk range

the vertical range is really small

[azure oriole]

Exactly what i said ?

[molten pier]

Something is not in the way

[azure oriole]

Hi

[azure oriole]

Lmao

[jaunty vapor]

I think one of the best things modded content did was have RNG spawns for buff totems. So while you had to memorize 3 or more spots it wasn't gaurunteed so you would most likely still need to fight something while it was buffed.

[strange gale]

they really got that on lock huh

[slow sigil]

definitely but honestly i would still prefer it then if you had to like kill a few heavies before it unlocks then

[azure forum]

Totems are underutilized. I don't think there's a single arena that forces you to battle through it (just the marauder and maybe the one in WS ML)

[azure oriole]

okay hear me out: the totems require a specific amount of kills to be destroyed

like it’s stuck in a cage and you need to kill demons to open it

[strange gale]

this is probably what's happening whenever you bp a totem https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/504714848194527236/996790546486005760/quality_game.mp4

[azure forum]

They did it in WS ML though. You have to kill I believe 3 DK to remove the shield from the totem

[slow sigil]

not just any kills though, otherwise you can just focus on fodder

[azure oriole]

true true

modders write this down

[azure forum]

I would like to see big arenas with locked totems or even small arenas with heavy pressure units and totems just like they do with the screechers

[azure oriole]

Nightmare is a major step up from uv, do nightmare a lot first

[stray arrow]

yeah

[azure oriole]

i see nightmare as the "intended" way to play imo, uv feels so much easier

[azure oriole]

agreed

uv would have been even hmp

cuz the only diffrence I see from uv and hmp is dmg taken

i hate pain elementals they are way too tanky

you might disagree with that and I understand that, but dmg taken is the only diffrence I've noticed.

Itytd is perfectly balanced for master levels classic mode 😎

[azure oriole]

just ballista ssg !!

[azure oriole]

Other way around for me. I think UV is the best balanced mode when it comes to enjoying the game.

[azure oriole]

slow way to kill it

Nightmare is a bit too heavy on the amount of damage you take for me.

[azure oriole]

double airbalist

[brittle quest]

Damage taken and enemy aggression are the only things different about difficulties in this game

[azure oriole]

i cant psawp ballista because i need my thumb for aiming

[azure oriole]

i dont have mod swap binded

[azure oriole]

thats respectable, but tbf i dont usually play eternal casually

im gonna try tweak some binds so i can psawp ballista

[azure oriole]

why

i have a weapon binded instead

[stray arrow]

i have a binding but i dont use it

[azure oriole]

u should use it

[stray arrow]

all it does for me is get in the way of switching grenades

[azure oriole]

tbh binding ssg is very convinient

[stray arrow]

ssg?

[azure oriole]

super shotgun

[stray arrow]

i just have it set to x

and rocket set to z, so i can ss rocket mancubi

[azure oriole]

ss rocket bad combo

[stray arrow]

damn

[azure oriole]

if ur on pc and still use the weapon wheel dont expect to get as good as good pc players, try finding binds thats comfortable to u

[stray arrow]

yeah i dont use it

[wraith sail]

I used the weapon wheel when I first started out

[brittle quest]

SS Rocket

[stray arrow]

weapon wheels are bad in general, they kinda slow you down

[royal path]

@jaunty vapor goddamn, managed to clear that room; saving the BFG shot until the Arch Vile showed up helped, but I think I also had a bit of luck, since a lot were still alive after I wiped the Vile.

[azure oriole]

yes thats why u need to stop using it

[stray arrow]

who said i use it lol

[wraith sail]

Also why is that one part in The Holt feel like the plutonia experiment again

[azure oriole]

if u dont use bindings what do u use?

[stray arrow]

??? i do use bindings

i just said i use z for rocket and x for ss

[wraith sail]

I do wanna play my way tho

[stray arrow]

is ss rocket actually bad

[wraith sail]

Not really

[azure oriole]

yes cuz rocket splash damage

[azure oriole]

splash damage or self damage ?

self dmg

[stray arrow]

why would you get close to a heavy

[wraith sail]

Bro be rocket jumping in the fucking idtech engine

[azure oriole]

to deal the most dmg 🤔

to do max damage?

[stray arrow]

i mean get too close

[azure oriole]

yes, to do more damage

[strange gale]

technically itytd is 1x damage (tyrant melee swipe max damage is 50 in its damage decl which itytd reflects, on nightmare it does 2x damage so 100) so again, technically anything above itytd is outside the scope of the balancing set by hard numbers

[azure oriole]

Shield + bloodpunch says goodbye mancubi

[stray arrow]

like rocket self damage radius isnt that big

[azure oriole]

it is

[stray arrow]

oh ok

[azure oriole]

ssg ballista/pb much safer

[stray arrow]

hm, i think i'll practice

[azure oriole]

Pb lock on or pb rocket

[wraith sail]

Ballista rocket

[azure oriole]

anyone got tips for claw with ps4 controller, i struggle to do it with my right hand where all the binds are

[wraith sail]

what claw

[azure oriole]

like when u use ur index finger to press the buttons instead of ur thumb

[wraith sail]

oh

Also wait I fight samur in tag1?

[proven swift]

Yep

[wraith sail]

I thought it was tag2

[proven swift]

Tag2 you fight the dark lord

[wraith sail]

ah

[azure oriole]

idk just keep practicing, took me 2 weeks to get used to it

[brittle quest]

playing doom for two weeks😹

[azure forum]

Don't play claw. Not needed.

[azure oriole]

don't tell them what to do !!!

[wraith sail]

jesus christ samurs third phase is hard

[azure forum]

Darkor, you can't hide forever evil entity

[proven swift]

The one where he spawns the possessed pain elemental and dread knight ?

[wraith sail]

No

[azure oriole]

i need it for pswaps

[wraith sail]

The one with all the fucking cacodemons

[azure forum]

Not needed honestly. Just use SSG PB, or all PB combos

[proven swift]

Ah

You could use those cacos to regenrate your lost shield

[azure oriole]

that's like saying remapping binds isn't needed though

[wraith sail]

What

[azure forum]

I mean, if they want to play claw go for it. Uncomfortable as hell

[wraith sail]

What do I do on the third phase

[brittle quest]

carpal tunnel combo😎

[azure oriole]

do you have a med kit

[azure forum]

I do, good friend

[proven swift]

You could just kill the cacos or use your sticky grenade to put them to glory state. I dont think they will spawn again unless you kill them

[azure oriole]

remember that microwave beam is mvp

[azure forum]

Use the dazed and confused rune. Then, just sticky the caccos but don't kill them. Ypu just have to wait 1 min. Keep doing that until the arena ends. If you kill them, more will respawn

[proven swift]

also you can use flame belch to put them on fire and gain some shield drops

[wraith sail]

Pain elemental dead

[azure oriole]

can i use

[azure forum]

No

[azure oriole]

why

[azure forum]

[stray arrow]

real mfs switch mods in the arsenal tab

[azure forum]

You mean, real mfs don't Switch mods

[wraith sail]

I finished the boss fight finally

[stray arrow]

i cannot decide

[azure oriole]

i can't have mods because console

[stray arrow]

lmao

[azure oriole]

you tried to use the arrow

im one step ahead dark ro

[wraith sail]

And I now finished the dlc

[flint flame]

[flint flame]

What you want this channel to just be “rip and tearrrrrrrr” or “the longer the blah blah stronger he become” 24/7?

[azure oriole]

yes

[azure oriole]

You seem in a bad mood - what you view things is different then my view .

[flint flame]

Nah it’s just you called a legit discussion “nerd talk”

[azure oriole]

you tell him evil batman

[stray arrow]

lmfao

[azure oriole]

I am a nerd too relax

[stray arrow]

ok

[strange gale]

i pray to every known deity that the next doom game is terrible so this part of the community can die as a consequence

[azure oriole]

I dunno it's pretty hard for Doom to get bad games.

So far we're 6 mainline games in and they all rock.

[stray arrow]

what about doom vr

never tried it but i heard that its not too good

but i suppose i cant comment since i didnt try it lol

[azure oriole]

Doom VFR isn't mainline! Doesn't count!!

[stray arrow]

oh really? alright

[azure oriole]

isnt doom 3 bad

[patent stream]

Its not

[azure oriole]

No, it fucks hard.

It's an awesome game - maybe not as good as Eternal or 2016, but it's a great game.

[stray arrow]

nekravol 2, 2 toys, 1 cheat code, one step away from 100%

[azure oriole]

alr

[stray arrow]

100%ed, just need to finish the level

[wraith sail]

Level 60 in doom eternal lets fuckin gooo

[azure oriole]

Level 150 In doom lets gooo

[royal path]

The Dark Lord... UGH... Is there a way to coax him in to his blinking green attack on his last two health bars? I feel like at the end of the fight he just opens himself up less and less.

[azure oriole]

Stay Close not too close and when he summons just use hammer or if that don't happens and he will pull a sword there are 2 possible outcomes, he will rush or attack if attack dash away and he might rush to you if he rushes straight away just balista him and hammer and do what you want. I totally don't know what I'm talking about

[wraith sail]

Fuuuuu

[royal path]

Ha, if I get close to him he pulls his sword... but doesn't go into blinking attack; instead he lock on melees me and restores his health. Then he does his shield rush. Fucking hate this boss. Can you stun him while he summons?

[azure oriole]

what can you expect when I play this game for 21days nothing else

[azure oriole]

No I don't think so

[azure oriole]

level 230 in doom lets gooo

[azure oriole]

20 more and first star

there are stars?

yeah called prestiges I think.

thats really neat actually

every 250 lvl you get rested to lvl 1 and you gain a star

[wraith sail]

So just rebirths

[azure oriole]

oooh!!! im excited

under your title card

im gonna check my level i dont think its exactly 230 but its around there

and each 250 lvl's you lvl up the star

[wraith sail]

Def rebirths but you don't have a choice

[nimble crown]

Was about to finish one of the master levels on ultra nightmare mode when I get denied by a bug that froze my model into a permanent punching animation... so much fun

[azure oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/890582351355203597/996813829369499749/unknown.png

[azure oriole]

no wait... you need to get lvl 250 9 times to reach another rank of the star damnn

i was close

[azure forum]

Ypu can level up quick. I started the game on switch around 2 weeks ago and I'm in lv80. Beat the campaign once, all 3 campaign master levels in 1 difficulty and then just battlemode

[azure oriole]

there are gray?. bronze. silver. Gold. Diamond. and ruby.

[azure oriole]

I started playing 25 days ago I'm at lvl 144something

im gonna grind the shit out of the game now i didnt know about this

im addicted to games where the objective is to make a number big because im brain dead

and if you reach 8 stars you get full line of (star color that you have)

[azure forum]

Not worth it. Ypu don't get anything for having them other than bragging rights on BM

[random vault]

i started playing months ago, i am levl 64

[azure oriole]

i know!

[azure oriole]

Just for flex

[azure oriole]

^

[azure forum]

Eh, it is fun to farm gold slayers with multiple stars

[azure oriole]

:(

Just do sentinel prime 250 times and you got first star

[random vault]

):

[azure forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/935398695782985778/996814780964798595/Screenshot_20220713-122547_Stadia.jpg

[random vault]

that is a lot

[azure oriole]

250x9 = just do 2250 sentinel prime's and you got 8 stars

[azure forum]

1 month ago, last time I played on stadia. Nobody to brag on battlemode because nobody plays BM on stadia anyways 😂

[random vault]

i think id rather have a social life

[azure oriole]

that's a lot of dooming

[azure forum]

Mostly UN stuff and streams.

[azure oriole]

hi

[azure forum]

UN gives a lot of XP

[azure oriole]

more like

just do 12000 sentinel primes and you got yourself all set of ruby stars

[proven swift]

I think mine is around 194 👍 💀

[azure oriole]

each sentinel prime takes around 5 mins so that will count

1250 minutes for 1 star I think

[brittle quest]

You have 12 boosters.

[azure oriole]

Nah not surer

more than 1000minutes is close to a month

[random vault]

hi

[azure oriole]

surely like2 days

[azure forum]

We got a group of around 80people that play on stadia. There was a time when it was easy to rearrange matches. Now it is dead. Those are just friends that I made in stadia itself thay added me as boosters

[azure oriole]

I have like 2 boosters and 2 of them aren't even playing

so I'm basically making exp alone

[azure forum]

You play on Pc?