doom-eternal

[mossy nova]

in a rythm

this rythm could break but it wont stop me from ripping and tearing

[naive parcel]

bruh 1080p ain't especially hard on gpu

[drifting crypt]

well its still like 82C hot

[naive parcel]

limit joe fps ig

poor cooling system

[mossy nova]

i survived my laptops hot ass over heating and my countrys summer where it could sometimes cause a fire

[drifting crypt]

i know how to deal with this, just joking (fps is 90)

[jaunty vapor]

Most high level players rebind so that their weapon buttons are close to their movement keys. For me it's 1-3, Q, Z, X, and C for different weapons. The furthest buttons get the least important weapons for swapping (3 = plasma, C = chaingun) while the others get... Well, the others.

I have weapon wheel bound to Left Alt so that I still have access to it for yeethooks or higher "fps" punch boosts, but otherwise I don't use weapon wheel for anything.

[drifting crypt]

i use only scroll for swap

i have memorised their order and always have what i need

[jaunty vapor]

How do you do pb rocket swaps then?

Cause even using the weapon wheel button let's you take advantage of that I believe.

(for people unaware, shooting Precision Bolt and swapping to rocket gives the rockets the weapon swap properties of PB, making it so rockets can fire faster than normal after a swap. This is most obviously seen when comparing PB Rocket to Ballista Rocket or SSG Rocket)

[sacred dirge]

It does. Faster if it's binded also

[royal path]

Good god... the buff totem in the World Spear ML right at the end... I just cannot... No BFG rounds and I just can't nail it... should I just start over?

[azure oriole]

I got the t shirt of doom eternal next one im gonna buy the doom mug

[lavish wing]

prolly gonna try some stuff and see whats comfortable for me, thanks!

[burnt moss]

You’re complaining that Doom fans nerd out on the Doom server? Again, you can only make the judgment based on how they behave in other parts of their life; otherwise it’s just having fun, not unhealthy obsession.

[royal path]

Ah, holy shit.

Seriously. World Spear ML is just sadistic at this point.

[rustic rampart]

Right bumper

[azure forum]

It is a tough master level, but once you get to abuse the hammer it becomes fun

[royal path]

I'm LITERALLY right at the end.

[rustic rampart]

I got softlocked right at the end once

[royal path]

That final room with the Hunters and Marauder, though... just cannot right now.

[rustic rampart]

Some teleport trigger failed leaving me in an empty arena

[azure forum]

I was at the end of TN ML about 30min ago. Game crashed 😂

[rustic rampart]

My softlock was on UN too. Still salty about that

[jaunty vapor]

This might help. Just skip to the end when I'm actually doing the last fights.

https://youtu.be/WvqlRON0yfc

I think I do the last fights without BFG but I honestly forget. XD Currently at work so I can't fully check

[lavish wing]

i cannot go online for more than 15 secs?

[royal path]

Thanks, will check later.

But I'm seriously fucking DONE now. Fuck this BS at the end of the level with three hunters and a marauder and no breathing room; I just can't catch a moment to orient myself before I get SWAMPED by enemies that just block me in.

[royal path]

Holy shit, how do you do it!? Like, in NO time! Thanks for sharing. Didn't realise you could do a Marauder in with a hammer so quickly. Very impressive.

And you take Hunters out in seconds. WUT.

[jaunty vapor]

Lotta knowledge and/or practice.

[azure forum]

Isn't destroyer blade gone in BM?

[opal galleon]

It is

[jaunty wigeon]

i love when this game crashes because "fuck you that's why"

it crashed like twice ever tho which is good i guess

[thorny glade]

guys listen its been bugging the living hell out of me

i swear i remember there being some kind of secret or easter egg with cacodemons that look different

bassicly you know how in one of the maps you get a look on the surface on the planet and theres a few cacodemons floating around

i think i recall a video where someone noclipped to take a closer look and they were actually different from the common cacodemons visually

anyone know anything about this its bothering me and i cant find it

[midnight sparrow]

If your on PC you can download a mod (Think it was called Chrispy) it unlocks the dev console so you can noclip up there yourself and get a look

[thorny glade]

i dont have doom eternal

[midnight sparrow]

oh

[flint flame]

Yeah… no.

[latent mica]

Good day all, guys please help me with one thing.

I got copyright strike on youtube (Music Visualization on "The only thing they fear is you") few weeks ago and it was mentioned "Striked by Mick Gordon".

I did a research on inet and found out there is someone impersoning Mick claiming videos. So the question is - if I Submit counter notification am I legally getting into trouble by doing that? I am shocked that anyone can just take some time and claim any video on youtube and yt literally approves :/

[thorny glade]

do you happen to know anything about the topic though

[patent stream]

I mean the song itself is still copyright regardless if that’s a fake Mick or real Mick

[latent mica]

yeah, I am completely okay with it being copyright, but there are literally tons of videos with million views with that same song that are 1-2 years old, I don't understand 😄

[midnight sparrow]

Sounds familiar I’ll check it out later today though and update you

[thorny glade]

thanks dude MGBH

[patent stream]

Its the old million people break. The law why am i caught scenario

[latent mica]

well, I guess small creators nowadays are doomed due to this unfair system 😄 anyway, thank you for your time man

[azure oriole]

Slayer Gates and Secret Encounters are the same thing, right? I've heard both names but I wasn't sure if they were 2 separate things or not

[midnight sparrow]

There separate Slayer Gates give Emperyean Keys that can unlock the Unmaykr. Secret Encounters grant weapon upgrade points I believe.

Secret Encounters are shown as Gore Nests and Slayer Gates are self explanatory

[azure oriole]

I thought the Slayer Gates were the purple gore nests?

[midnight sparrow]

Those are the encounters

[azure oriole]

ok, my bad

[midnight sparrow]

No problem

[azure oriole]

How many are there total? I know there's 6 gates, and 7 encounters right?

[midnight sparrow]

Idk about how many encounters in the whole game. There are like 2 per level though not counting Sentinel Prime

[jaunty vapor]

DHB also has none.

Ngl I wouldn't have known that if I hadn't just made a new "100%" save cause I accidentally deleted one awhile ago

[midnight sparrow]

We need more save file slots

[jaunty vapor]

Or an in game save editor so we can accurately route levels without using external software

Pretty sure Dusk has something like that for mission select. It's not perfect but it does everything it "needs" to do

[midnight sparrow]

Dusk HD looks good imo

[jaunty vapor]

I think Dusk is decent. I wasn't head over heels for it but it was very enjoyable and as said before, the "extra stuff" like that was great. Features like that are the kind of labor of love things that make me think the devs really wanna give a great experience for players.

I can't find it but there was one game I played awhile ago that let you select which patch you wanted to play in game, but it kept quality of life features from future patches. I'd kill for something like that

[midnight sparrow]

I really enjoy Dusk, the movement especially I LOVE. How fast you can hop around gunning down Cultists is great.

[midnight sparrow]

mIneCrafT

[jaunty vapor]

That actually wasn't what I was thinking but also EXACTLY that

[azure oriole]

Speedrunners would definitely love something like that

Eternal is an interesting game to me because 85% of everything in it builds for a certain style and feel of combat, but then the other 15% goes against the fundamental principles that the game sets up

[midnight sparrow]

While Eternals combat is all fun and good for the next game (whether it be Doom or Quake) idk how they could possibly expand upon it.

[slow sigil]

Marauder, hammer in a way

[midnight sparrow]

For Quake it should be more explosion oriented

[azure oriole]

The next game shouldn't be slayer, and it definitely should have a completely new loadout

[slow sigil]

Balqncing the guns so there is actual benefit to swapping guns accorfing to your needs would be great

[midnight sparrow]

New load out. People would have a pissy fit if it wasn’t the Slayer as the mc but I think they could pull off a new mc

[neon zodiac]

Just make a quake game

Then nobody has a hissy fit its not slayer, ggez

[midnight sparrow]

Then what would happen after this Quake game?

[neon zodiac]

Plus the quake games have had 3 different protags so nobody cares who you make the MC

[patent stream]

Doesn’t matter who the main character is if its written well

[midnight sparrow]

but also yea new quake please

[azure oriole]

I was also thinking Crucible and BFG. Both their absurd power and their strictly pick-up based ammo refilling in a game that's built around you managing your health and ammo.

I'd also say things like the slow speed of mod swap speed and the inconvenient charge times of certain mods in a game that's built around speed and encouraging you to use every tool in your arsenal

[slow sigil]

Can you call people who throw a hissy fit for having another MC really fans though

[neon zodiac]

Nah you can't put another MC into doom unless you're explicitly marketing it as a side game

[patent stream]

Nah

They can easily put another MC without marketing as a side game

[neon zodiac]

Doomguy is Doom, he embodies the spirit of the series

[midnight sparrow]

If we get a Quake reboot at QuakeCon I would want them to bring back Ranger but a new protagonist would be great to

[patent stream]

Doom 3 and its 3 protagonists say otherwise

[neon zodiac]

Doom 3 doomguy was still a doomguy

[midnight sparrow]

Crash

[azure oriole]

I'd like it to almost not be a shooter tbh. I think something like a first-person sword fighter could be an interesting challenge for id. Regardless though, these 8 basic guns are cool, but the community has been playing with them for 6 years now. They can't do it again.

[patent stream]

Doom 3 guy is not doomguy

He is just a random soldier

[neon zodiac]

He was a doomguy, he still looked familiar and acted like doomguy

Even if future entries have made him canonically not THE doomguy

[midnight sparrow]

Doomguy is the Doom Slayer. Doom 3 Guy is not the Doom Slayer therefore not Doomguy

[patent stream]

So what you are saying is all we need is the next protagonist to act like doomguy

Regardless of who it is

[slow sigil]

Slow charge speeds depends, with destroyersblade the payoff makes it great, very balanced and fun cause of the effects making it worth it.

[neon zodiac]

It depends on the lore route you go, if you're keeping in 1/2/2016/Eternals universe itd be weird to not just use Doomguy, but you could have another doomguy (like in 3) if you were rebooting the lore/going to another universe

[slow sigil]

Sooo not have a character thrn

[patent stream]

No one said they are keeping it the same universe

Also doom 3 guy is not “another doomguy”

[unkempt jetty]

Doomguy is Doomguy

[patent stream]

Doom 3 guy is just a random marine

[midnight sparrow]

1 and 2 don’t take place in the same universe as 2016 and Eternal.

[neon zodiac]

Doom 3 guy acts and looks pretty much the same as doom guy, doom guy in 1 was also just a random marine

[unkempt jetty]

Doomguys cousin

[azure oriole]

I'm not saying that they don't have their reasons, but standing still for that wrong goes against the principles of the game to an extreme

[midnight sparrow]

He’s a marine it is his job after all

[patent stream]

Twice removed

[unkempt jetty]

damn

[burnt moss]

I think fans are by definition the most partial to the game’s identity. Non-fans judge a game solely on whether it’s fun, and wouldn’t care as much about lore and MC

[slow sigil]

Well, we need someone to get doomguy out of his coffin rn. Making it just like 2016 would be dumb cause they: 1. Already did it
2. They need to make it past the blood swamps

[unkempt jetty]

BJ wakes Doomguy from his coffin

[patent stream]

Regardless doesnt matter who is the protagonist of the next game as long as the combat is fun and protagonist is well written. If companies were afraid of people throwing hissy fits they would never try and make new games

[unkempt jetty]

Nah I’m joking ofc

[azure oriole]

I like the idea that the Slayer's story ended with killing the dark lord

[neon zodiac]

I'd assume it'd be an agent of Vega/The Father rather than a human

[unkempt jetty]

I get that’s fulfilling, but Doom is a franchise

[neon zodiac]

Also Samur is still out there

[unkempt jetty]

And honestly? Without doomguy, it doesn’t feel like DOOM

[patent stream]

Literally will if the combat and enemies are there

[slow sigil]

Well dblade also goes more into the tactical side. Charging it before enemies spawn or when rounding a corner.
If you dont like it sure, but i definitely dont rhink it doesnt fit in at all

[neon zodiac]

And we still dont know who created Davoth

[burnt moss]

I think the next one should have a female protagonist like they’ve talked about.

[azure oriole]

Also a friend of mine once said something like "If [the next character] is weaker than the slayer, then I'd just play eternal. If they're stronger, that just takes away what made the slayer special."

I think the answer is to just make future characters/loadouts function so fundamentally differently that it can't be perceived as either. I think focusing on a Sentinel Trooper or a different species like the Makyrs could be cool

[unkempt jetty]

I can already guess what’s gonna happen if that goes through

[jaunty vapor]

I don't mind the idea, I just remember thinking it was weird they said "A female slayer would be 'more lethal'". Like what does that even mean 🤣

[patent stream]

Who cares if people get outraged they will be removed. Wont have sexist crybabies here

[neon zodiac]

Eh, doomslayerette just feels like a ticked box rather than actual meaningful effort for female inclusion

[azure oriole]

I do like it, I was just thinking about how certain mechanics differ so much from the fundamentals others prop up.

[slow sigil]

It's the uhhh doomgal "caco's" which keeps the demons awya idfk

[patent stream]

If they make her unique and start her own game or whatever it would be perfectly fine as long as she is written well

[neon zodiac]

Are there any major female characters in Doom other than Khan and Olivia?

[patent stream]

Its called the ability to make one

[unkempt jetty]

Well if that happens, will Doomgal have dialogue? Or would she be mute like doomguy

[slow sigil]

Make it crash from quake arenas (or was it 3?) Previously established character with enough lack of lore to do somrthing cool with

[burnt moss]

If they make the game well the gender won’t deter people

[patent stream]

Again, depends how she is written

[azure oriole]

Depends how much story focus the game has and if they give the character a meaningful origin. Someone saved by the slayer and attempting to go on in his footsteps could be a cool origin story.

[unkempt jetty]

I wasn’t actually referring to that, but okay

[patent stream]

Doomguy was mute due to intense trauma

Wouldn’t make much sense imo if she was mute for no reason

[unkempt jetty]

yeah that’s fair

[slow sigil]

Give her dialogue. Dishonered has rpoven that people really dont care about silent protagonists overall

[azure oriole]

Is that the actual reason?

I really need to get around to reading the codex lol

[burnt moss]

Perfect Dark was basically Goldeneye with a female protag, and they made a pretty good game of it

[unkempt jetty]

It’s there for a reason

[patent stream]

I mean he was the last soldier went to hell went home home was destroyed went back to hell

[slow sigil]

In 2016 ane eternal, kinda yeah.
In the classics? Hardware limitations

[neon zodiac]

Dishonored was also a 1 game franchise before 2

[patent stream]

Something no Normal human deals with

[neon zodiac]

And an imsim and boomer shooter are completely different genres

[alpine hazel]

doomguy stopped talking after he got divinity machine'd

[slow sigil]

Still proves enough tbf

[alpine hazel]

before that he was rambling on abt hell and such on argent d'nur

[patent stream]

Once he reached argent dnur his brain was at the edge of collapse

The machine returned some sanity but he was still broken

[unkempt jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-doom-doom-blade-no-gif-20875245

[neon zodiac]

Normal humans go nonverbal due to trauma irl, it wouldnt be that unrealistic to have another one

[slow sigil]

Also ngl if they brought in another mc just to make them mute it would be quite dumb. Like you have this new mc and you still do jackshit with it

[unkempt jetty]

I completely understand that isn’t speaking, I just wanted to bring that up

[patent stream]

Indeed

[unkempt jetty]

wait no, a word is speaking, right

[neon zodiac]

Technically

[patent stream]

Another mute protagonist would feel like they are trying to just make another doomguy which imo would be lazy

If you are going to add another character make it unique

[jaunty vapor]

^

[burnt moss]

I think the natural trajectory is to also get more political, instead of having a strict binary between demons and humans.

[neon zodiac]

A non mute protagonist betrays the essence of doom (not that 2016 and especially eternal havent already partially done that)

[azure oriole]

I definitely wouldn't care for a DOOM game that put quips over combat, but during cutscenes any upcoming character should definitely speak. Perhaps her dialogue is limited as maybe she's inspired by the Slayer or something, but not mute

[patent stream]

the essence of doom is use big weapons vs hella demons and have blood

[slow sigil]

Humans already worked together with demons, and we already have "one of their kind" who worked with doomguy to make his armour

[patent stream]

If anything eternal was betraying dooms real core by exploring other dimensions aliens angels gods and shit ( not that I didnt enjoy that but it certainly strayed far from humans vs demons)

[jaunty vapor]

"You're just a cheap knockoff."
"Oh no no no. I'm the upgrade."

[slow sigil]

Having a mute protagonist definitely is not one of the main essences of doom. Doom has very loose main essences to begin with too

[azure oriole]

I'd say it's more of being unique from other games. It was one of the first shooters and is completely different from most modern shooters. That's why I think future games should function almost completely differently from this one

[slow sigil]

Correction:
"...."
"Hmmp"

[patent stream]

Fuck it, lets go the opposite and make a protagonist who doesnt stop talking. I want 24/7 dialogue

[burnt moss]

When?

[slow sigil]

They make noises foe their guns

[azure oriole]

No.

[jaunty vapor]

In the leadup to Eternal i was very excited to be exploring "heaven" and having a mix of different enemies based on typical angel iconography and old style depictions of horrific, unfathomable angels.

Instead we got robot-ish things with pinata heads.

[patent stream]

Even when i pause the game/ “ hey why you pausing, i wanna kill demons, get your ass back here”

[neon zodiac]

It's not "having a mute protagonist" per se, but having the main character be a vessel for the player
Doom is very much a power fantasy game, and doomguy being mute is one of the tools used to put the player in the shoes of the slayer

[slow sigil]

For which point, first one is uhh quite obvious i hope. Second one is The Wretch

[azure oriole]

Lore discussion. What's up?

[patent stream]

Speaks says no doom can be done without doomguy

[azure oriole]

Doomguy is a self-insert character. The Doom Slayer is not. They're the same man, but that distinction is important.

[patent stream]

Ya know what better lets me put my shoes in a character? If the character is fun and well written

[slow sigil]

I never felt like i was the slayer personally, just that me playing videogame.
Or maybe it is presentation cause doomguy is this big hulky guy and i'm... trying to be a feminine girl which can be counteractive

[burnt moss]

When did humans work with demons?

[azure oriole]

I'm not mute. I guess I can't be sure, but I'd guess that most of us here aren't either.

Also I've been able to put myself in the shoes of a character I'm playing even when they're nothing like me, all that's needed for that is a first-person perspective and silence during combat. The second one isn't even entirely necessary either

Doomguy is a self-insert character with, in the context of his own games, a sparse personality who is just an archetype to project yourself onto.
The Slayer is not. He has a defined personality, backstory, and character that is expanded on through cutscenes, context, and background writing. He's just as much a normal character as Samuel Hayden is.

[slow sigil]

2016 whoel olivia stuff and kinda cult thing. Eternal with the hac spokesperson and what not

[patent stream]

Master chief talking about saving humanity
Me: omg im John lets gooooooo weeeeeeeee

[neon zodiac]

You dont actively think about whether a character is mute

[patent stream]

Honesty I’ve connected way way better with well written characters who speak and have a personality than someone who never talks.

[azure oriole]

I personally disagree with this. Doomguy doesn't define Doom - Doom defines Doom, as in Hell, and demons, and glorious demon-violence committed by both the protagonist and their enemies.

[slow sigil]

Honestly people can probs relate more to a well written character then trying to fill in the gaps. Especially when playing a game which isnt too known for story

[burnt moss]

Oh I haven’t thought about that storyline for months. But I’m proposing not all demons are bad.

[azure oriole]

I'd be more than happy to see a Doom game with a speaking protagonist who isn't Doomguy provided said character is interesting and well-written.

[patent stream]

Whenever i play any doom i feel like im playing the gameplay, not the character. The character is irrelevant because the gameplay is all that has ever mattered

[slow sigil]

In that case we have The Wretch, of which we know barely anything but is in my headcannon a hellknight with glasses and a labcoat

[patent stream]

Actually he is an intelligent pinky

That speaks

[azure oriole]

I think there's really 3 main pillars that can be used to describe the essence of DOOM

1. Speed/difficulty
2. Tons of mechanics and encouragement to use all of them. This one is more specific to Eternal, but I think it's everyone's favorite DOOM game and will definitely be used in projects going forward.
3. Standing apart/trend setting for other games

[jaunty vapor]

Just general "direction" helps connect to a character more than anything. Something like Metroid you can really get into Samus as a character just by viewing the way she's always cautious and ready to get into a fight but not always shooting first in most games that have her doing stuff with cutscenes.

And then you have Mother Other M where she talks and I've never felt more disassociated with a character in my life.

[slow sigil]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832527551154094150/919660144651022386/image0.jpg

[burnt moss]

Oh I thought the wretch was another name for the betrayer. Very unclear on that; I don’t recall the name in the codex

[patent stream]

Well standing apart/ trend setting I wouldn’t agree with much anymore. Lots of games are now fast paced arena shooters. Dooms only difference is the hell and iconic demon designs

[slow sigil]

It's unclearly worded but i dont think it's him. Cause they said it was one of them

[azure oriole]

Demons are hypothetically capable of being good, as many of them display sapience, self-awareness, and a capacity for emotion. There is documentation of demons rebelling against the Dark Lord.
It's just rare because the things we consider evil and wrong are ingrained in their culture. They are an alien culture, and they exist beyond human morality.

[azure oriole]

The no reload mechanics is also pretty unique for modern day. Also having 8 different guns

[neon zodiac]

If the game isn't known for story, and isn't focusing on story, I struggle to see where the writing shines, the amount of story presented in doom games gives little room for fleshing out characters. Unless you were to shift focus onto the story more, which would be shit for Doom imo, there's not a whole lot you can do with the MC

[patent stream]

Imagine

The whole idea of making a new game

And we glossed over a new story

[azure oriole]

Metroid is awesome and Samus is one of the best videogame protagonists ever, and Other M blows.

[slow sigil]

ID headquarters during tag2

[patent stream]

Don’t worry the plot holes were made to intentionally be retconned with doom eternal 2

Vr exclsuive btw

[burnt moss]

Well demons are just aliens. They invade and abduct for resources. We do the same thing. We are only enemies because we take from each other.

[jaunty vapor]

I kinda liked Other M's gameplay. Like, a little. It actually had one of the most fun 100%'s since it had a "post game" with neat encounters.

Doesn't make up for the rest of the game, obviously. It's why even if a game has decent gameplay, it needs some semblance of story/atmosphere to glue it together, and if it's REALLY bad story/atmosphere, it'll fall apart.

[patent stream]

I know cuz my uncle works at nintnedo

[random vault]

same

[neon zodiac]

Exclusive to the meta quest

[azure oriole]

id would never

[patent stream]

Actually it’s exclsuive to the new skyrim quest. Gotta beat Skyrim first to unlock more games

[jaunty vapor]

Not saying Doom's story is bad enough that it falls apart. Though TAG2 was getting there lol

[slow sigil]

also the very first (although accidental) heavily gay-"hinted" character, cause of a nintendo amerixa drawing

[patent stream]

Eternals story i felt was still functional serviceable enough. Tag really decided to throw what should have been 1-2 games worth of lore and such into 6 hours of dlc

[neon zodiac]

Base Eternal and Tag 1 (up until the ending) were straddling the line of stupid enough to be entertaining and not detracting from the game

But they screwed the pooch a bit with TAG for sure

[slow sigil]

Tag2 is what it feels like to rush writing

[patent stream]

At least the environments look breathtaking

[jaunty vapor]

Tag1's ending through TAG2 were a Saturday Morning Cartoon and while I hate it when compared to DE's base story + TAG1

[neon zodiac]

TAG 2 in general felt like it needed 2 more months

[azure oriole]

I honestly don't know why they didn't just wait and make a 3rd slayer game. I guess not many people would be willing to buy a game with largely the same mechanics and demons though

[jaunty vapor]

if all of Eternal had been as balls to the walls I mighta been into it lol

[slow sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-youre-breathtaking-gif-14325694

[patent stream]

Their entire idea was they dont want 2 of the same game

Likewise making a whole new set of assets would have taken another 4 years vs 6 months using most of the same assets and engine

[slow sigil]

Doom1-2-64? Or was 64 different enough

[azure oriole]

That's fair.

Probably why future games will barely be recognizable gameplay wise

[patent stream]

64 is difffernet enough

But im referring to new id

Hugo said he wants all new dooms to be different

[azure oriole]

Anyway Eternal's story is good and so is TAG's.

[random vault]

no you

[burnt moss]

Isn’t 16 just Eternal without dash or meathook though?

[neon zodiac]

Doom 2 is a weird one, the SSG and its consequences were phenomenal for the human race

[jaunty vapor]

I loved in 2016, I felt like the Slayer was "just a guy who was really good at killing demons, but because of that people thought he was a God", and that's kind of why I liked the Intern. The Intern felt to me like he was a guy who at first thought the Slayer was a God-like figure, but once he worked with him he realized "oh no he's just a guy who REALLY fucking hates demons, I can get behind that"

[nocturne lynx]

"Death’s Door" had a post-game for 100%, your "Other M" mention is invalid.

[patent stream]

Eternal is much more vertical much more colorful way more emphasis on quickswapping ( a little too much imo)

Larger scaled more equipment management and then the desctruobel demons system

[jaunty vapor]

I still think making the Slayer "actually special" was a disservice. I think it's a cooler message that "anyone can be a demon slaying god if they try hard enough" 😛

[neon zodiac]

2016s story was doom perfection, Eternals mechanics were doom perfection

[alpine hazel]

god bless the intern tbh
man probably needs therapy after hell on earth tho

[azure oriole]

I prefer Eternal's story over 2016's. 2016 certainly tells its story better though.

[jaunty vapor]

I haven't played Death's Door. Also the existence of another (maybe better) post game doesn't mean Other M's post game wasn't fun. It had a pretty cool Phantoon fight

[neon zodiac]

I mean the basic story layout in Eternal is good, its just what they did with the slayer and the lore thats kinda wack

[slow sigil]

Eternal isnt exactly perfect but it is fucking good yeah

[jaunty vapor]

Also the gravity monster from Metroid Fusion was cool, both to see again and just in general was a cool fight in that game.

[patent stream]

2016 has a very very functional story, where every level is just a do this oh shit thats breaking hey you can grab this.

And it just works

Eternal went for more of a story story and tried to make it functional and it did work as well

[azure oriole]

This is my biggest gripe with TAG.

He was so cool when he was literally just running on rage, but then they had to go and make him a god. Retroactively ruins him in previous games for me.

[azure oriole]

But the Slayer and the lore are massively improved in Eternal

[patent stream]

Aside form tag 2

[neon zodiac]

No game has perfect mechanics, but I'd consider eternal to have the peak FPS core gameplay

At least on the singleplayer side

[jaunty vapor]

2016's story didn't try to take itself seriously despite the fact that if you paid attention it was a pretty competent story.

Eternal's tries to take itself seriously but it's so over the top and convoluted, like a DM trying to explain his campaign to his friends who really just don't get it

[patent stream]

I still think the next game they are working on is a quake, and probably a spin off doom

Speaking of which, I would love a spin off doom similiar to aliens fireteam

[slow sigil]

Peak yeah, shame that it isnt worth it to utterly perfect the gameplay though

[slow sigil]

Understansable, but rip

[patent stream]

A co op horde mode doom would scratch the itch of quite a few people i reckon

[jaunty vapor]

Don't worry guys, we'll get official modding tools and/or snapmap for Eternal at Quakecon! Right?

...right?

[azure oriole]

I think they've confirmed that they're working on another game in the DOOM universe that won't focus on the slayer

That specific phrasing could have some interesting implications

[patent stream]

HA

[slow sigil]

True but balancing with the falter system sounds like hell

[patent stream]

U funny

[neon zodiac]

Unfortunately human imperfection sucks

[patent stream]

Also battlemode is getting another character and eternal another dlc

[jaunty vapor]

Let me dream Bob

[slow sigil]

Hahaha yes yes!! Exactly what you are saying! More invisible walls!

[azure oriole]

Is this confirmed?

[jaunty vapor]

At least let me believe we'll be getting Pink Preator

[patent stream]

Its a joke. Eternal is done

[neon zodiac]

After replaying DS1 and elden ring I really want that invasion stuff

It sucks that it was scrapped

[slow sigil]

It'll be dead after 5 days

[patent stream]

They didn’t confirm what their next project is. They did say they are not done making dooms, and that it wont be doomslayer. But that doesnt mean the next game they are working on is a doom

[slow sigil]

Really just not worth the developing time

[jaunty vapor]

I didn't believe in Invasion mode until I played the mod for Invasion Mode. I then was sad we'd never get a working version that could be iterated on.

[patent stream]

People hate battlemode but want invasion, not entirely bright

[azure oriole]

Ok, good. I love Eternal, but I'd much rather them start working on a new combat system than keep adding stuff for this one. There's enough mods and optional encounters for Eternal. Only thing I'd want more of is Master-levels

[slow sigil]

Ha fuck yoi i hate both

[jaunty vapor]

I will say if people hated Battlemode, they'd probably hate Invasion more XD

[azure oriole]

Ah ok, maybe I made too many assumptions from the article I read.

[neon zodiac]

The thing Im most sad about is Master levels though

I'd pay money for the rest of the Master levels to be made, but I think what we got is what we got

[azure oriole]

Did they say they're done putting stuff out?

[patent stream]

Whatever the next doom is. I want less of an over reliance on quickswapping and instead much better feedback and punch per weapon.

Especially combined with the new destructible demons system

Flying through the air as an ac130 spamming 90 different weapons and explosions was fine but as a one and done thing

[slow sigil]

They said it was gonna be an old ID game that isnt doom
95% likely it's quake, with heavy heavy eternal influences

[neon zodiac]

Not officially, but how long has it been since the last master level?

[patent stream]

Million years

At least a year if i recall

[slow sigil]

Better balancing so i want to weaponmodswap pleas 🙏

[patent stream]

Yes

I also want some demons to actually feel like chess. Where using some certain weapons or equipment matters

[neon zodiac]

Its been 4 months but still

[patent stream]

Instead of 1-2 weapons over dominating everything regardless of type

[azure oriole]

Hell no. Weapon switching is amazing. Eternal has shown us the light and I don't think a future doom game can be nearly as good unless I'm forced to switch between 15 different weapons/mechanics constantly

[slow sigil]

Aslong as it isnt just 1 tool, every demon should be weak to at the very least 2 tools, and every tool should have at the very least 2 uses

[neon zodiac]

Hard counters kinda suck though

[patent stream]

Mind u im not saying force the usage like microwave and spirits, but more situational based is better

For instance most weapons can still cause a stagger or such or break armor but certain will do it better

[slow sigil]

Too bsd out of like 64+ eternal weapon combs only 4 are good. Not really all too balanced

[patent stream]

3

Rocket ballista ssg

[slow sigil]

Combos bob, combos

[patent stream]

And there is almost zero reason to use the rest

[patent stream]

Yeah rocket ballista ssg combo

[neon zodiac]

I mean PB

SSG Ballista is also good for 1 niche use

[azure oriole]

I just finished a nightmare playthrough and I was using all the guns constantly. They're all pretty powerful if you give them a chance

[patent stream]

Yeah no. Eternals method of quickswapping is insanely flawed

Not only that but there is no special combo for most demons its just use the exact same thing for everything and win

[neon zodiac]

As a stylish action fan, going without combos into the next game would be a monumental let down

[slow sigil]

I know the statistical stats of all guns ans i know that it is a fact that half of the shit in eternal isnt worth the time it takes to swap weapon mods except in like 1 or 2 arenas across all of it's non battlemode contenr

[azure oriole]

I agree with this. I like having access to a shit ton of mechanics, but all of them feel kind of generic. The only thing that really felt special was the plasma rifle breaking shields, and even there it wasn't too good at it

[patent stream]

I didnt say no combos

Mind u

But i want combos to feel impactful

I want cooldowns that actually matter and dont magically disappear by swapping

[jaunty vapor]

I think Eternal's weapon swaps are neat and have a lot of interesting tech, that if expanded upon could be cool, but... it also introduces a lot of weird problems. It's a thing where I like it, it makes Eternal specifically more fun, but I don't think it's right for every game.

[patent stream]

And again, mixed with a better destructive demons system

For instance i dont want to fire a million rockets oh demon dead

Uneventful

Now. A strong shotgun blast rips a demons leg off, I then use an AR and shoot and arm off. The the plasma burns a hole in the middle of a demon. Now that would be cool.

[azure oriole]

I can agree with what you're saying now. Originally I thought you were saying that there should be less weapons, not that they should be more interesting, which I believe is what you're saying?

[slow sigil]

All the "gun but full autoer" weapon mods downright suck, not only do they have lower dps then swapping but they discourage it too

[patent stream]

I almost feel destructible demons in eternal is wasted because the strongest dps combos just kill a demon before you see it fall apart

[neon zodiac]

Cancelling end lag with new moves is what makes me love DMC, its part of what makes me love Guilty Gear, and its what makes me love Doom Eternal

[patent stream]

Hell if anything I’ll take more weapons

More unique ones too

As long as they are balanced well and some have better situational uses

[neon zodiac]

It gives you the chunky feeling of hitting big move, and allows you to cancel it into hitting another chunky thing

[patent stream]

Liek ive mentioned before imagine a railgun style gun that replaced ballista, it has a 1 second charge up but can shoot off mancubus canons, rip off arachnotron legs. Break armor . Etc

[slow sigil]

Remove (current) bfg and make ot an actual fleshed out weapon instead of "fuck this arena but not technically cheats!!"

[patent stream]

Honeslty I would like a bfg similiar to doom 3s

Obviously further modified. But I never liked 2016/ eternal bfg for being too good

[neon zodiac]

Dooms BFG has never been great unfortunately, overpowered in pretty much every game

Doom 1 and 2 bfg was straight up abusable af

[azure oriole]

Now you're speaking my language. This would be fun. Because right now half the guns only vary from eachother in damage and mods. heavy canon is literally just plasma rifle + ballista

[patent stream]

Actually classic doom bfg and doom 3s were significantly better

[slow sigil]

Also im gonna sleep, already too late

[patent stream]

Classic doom u could fire maybe 30 shots and still not remotely beat a level

[neon zodiac]

Oh I saved up 120 cells, let me just nuke anything I need

[slow sigil]

1:38 wooh, urghh why dient i to earlier, laters

[patent stream]

Or doom 3 which has charged levels which affects an area better

[patent stream]

Birds chirping

[neon zodiac]

Its 15 shots with backpack, and you couldn't clear out an entire level with one, but you cant do that in 2016/eternal either

[azure oriole]

I do think that ripping actual parts of demons would be fun, but only if it has a chance of backfiring and the demons don't just become inanimate blobs on the floor before you kill them. Like maybe if you shoot off an arachnotrons legs it sprouts wheels and is faster but can't jump anymore

[neon zodiac]

But what you can do is nuke a room full of enemies, 15 times in a row

[patent stream]

You can clear an entire strong arena in 2016/eternal

[slow sigil]

I bet there are atleast 3 non boss levels you can clear eith 15 brg shots

[patent stream]

Alternate modes of demons would be supplied yes. For instance destroying an arachnotron leggs makes it now spam grandees francticly

[neon zodiac]

The amount of ammo you got for the BFG and how little it took to fire, trivialized the Plasma rifle imo

[strange gale]

less weapons overall but give them actually cool interactions. deternal gives you lots of options but none are particularly cool or deep

[patent stream]

Or if you shoot an imps legs off he starts clawing super quickly towards you

[slow sigil]

Make it as complicated of a game as a grand staretegy game but with an actual toturial

[neon zodiac]

Unless you intentionally restrict yourself from using the BFG, there arent that many scenarios where using the plasma rifle is better than just haha nuke button on 7

The one good thing about the BFG is how late you get it in doom 1

[patent stream]

Anyways i must flee as well. I trust id knows what they are doing whatever they plan to do and look forward to their next game

[azure oriole]

This would definitely be a way to spice things up.

I'm sorry for saying you were wrong earlier, you were definitely right. I just didn't understand your point yet. Forced usages are stupid, but we definitely need weapons that function more differently from eachother. Right now it's just fast guns, ranged guns, and close guns

[neon zodiac]

I do too, I just hope we get to revisit eldritch shit and maybe even [name redacted by VEGA lmao]

[patent stream]

Whatever they do. I sincerely hope they improve destructible demons. So few games have something smilair and its a shame. Especially since it’s very good

[azure oriole]

id has spies in this server and they're stealing our ideas! (hopefully)

[patent stream]

God take all my ideas i wont sue

[patent stream]

Yep much more unique feeling is key

[azure oriole]

I do hope that they're here at least taking inspiration from community feedback

I'd also like to point out that this hour long discussion was spawned by me trying to queue up a rant about how the BFG ruins the game

[patent stream]

I would be curious to see them go even more hellish

Doom 3 aesthetic doom 2016 gameplay with the improved gunplay and adjustments

[azure oriole]

I like the movement of eternal too. it works well in the arenas

[strange gale]

the deepest weapon interactions get is skipping bfg cooldown like this: chainsaw cancel > crucible cancel > weapon swap

after that, you have bats which still isn't particularly interesting

[patent stream]

I would rather have a side step vs a dash personally

[neon zodiac]

Dark souls rolling in first person

[patent stream]

I feel a dash feels a little too. Robotic? Sci fi? And too forgiving.

I prefer the smaller window of freedom of a side step which also involves better timing

[azure oriole]

I just want to be a spider-monkey tbh. If I don't have the ability to circle a large arena in seconds, then there's something wrong

Lots more mechanics like monkeybars and jump pads, and I'd also like the meathook to not be tied to a specific gun. Make it a utility

[patent stream]

Grapple hook lets gooo

Actually a grapple hook would indeed be better for traversal elements as well

Imagine a hell on earth and you can more or less scale a broken building

[burnt moss]

I think Zelda Ocarina of Time weapons belong in Doom

[patent stream]

Grapple hook based glory kills too

[azure oriole]

I wouldn't even mind if there's specific grapple points

[patent stream]

Also bring back the scrapped gun glory kill animations

[azure oriole]

but I want to be using any gun while I fly through the air

[azure oriole]

I haven't seen those. Not sure whether I'd be on board or not. I think violently mauling the demons is more fun

[patent stream]

Some are neat

Like using the shotgun as a base ball bat

Or ramming the shotgun under the head into the skull and firing

[azure oriole]

This was why I don't like the doomblade that much, 2016s kills were much more gruesome

also I miss forcefeeding things their own eyeballs and bodyparts

[patent stream]

https://youtu.be/yc9ji1SiGB4

[azure oriole]

Oh ok, I was thinking it was stuff like shooting them

[neon zodiac]

The eternal kills felt less weighty but they also felt a bit faster

[patent stream]

Some of these are gun based

Some are shots and others are like melee weapon

[neon zodiac]

The one problem with gun based glory kills is it not consuming ammo

[azure oriole]

I don't want super fast glory kills tbh. They're your one break and the coolest animations in the game.

[strange gale]

wow i love watching a feature length film every time i gk

[azure oriole]

wtf is this where he's performing telekenesis?

[neon zodiac]

Either it doesnt consume ammo and its like "why did my gun shooting not take ammo" or it does consume ammo and it just sucks balls

[patent stream]

Lol an idea where he could harness his argent energy his suit harvests

[neon zodiac]

I'd like like to see them do glory kills that incorporate guns, maybe have the kill drop an ammo refund or something

[random vault]

hi chat

whats up

[patent stream]

Imo I rather they make a ton of very short ones over long ones

Super quick to the point yet satisfying

Adds variety and doesn’t interrupt the game

[strange gale]

thing is, you stop needing the break after playing for a good while. at that point i just want to get out of the animation asap so i can play the game again

[azure oriole]

I don't want them to be much faster than Eternals and I'd agree that more varience would be fun

[burnt moss]

Refund 😂

[azure oriole]

I think a bunch of these are better off cut. A lot of them fit Berserk more than normal Glory Kills

And the Argent telekenesis sure is something.

[neon zodiac]

Typically the term used for when you use resources in a game and the success state gives you some or all of those resources back

[azure oriole]

I know this discussion has largely wrapped up, but I don't want many, if any, pickups in future games. the whole self management thing really works

[burnt moss]

Just sounds funny is all

[neon zodiac]

The self management in eternal is perfection

[azure oriole]

I don't know about that. I personally think the resource management thing is about as fun as it'll get - best for it to stay in Eternal and things to change.

[burnt moss]

What if we added some passive mods to the suit, like tower defense games?

[neon zodiac]

I underused the RL in every doom game, even 2016 where you can spam it, just from conditioning

[patent stream]

I want the crucible to be like shadow warriors 3 sword

To an extent but better

[neon zodiac]

SW3 couldve been more, I wish it had more content

The SW reboot series is a weird one

[patent stream]

They added quite a few stuff to it

Imo all it’s missing rn is a horde mode

They added more difficulties and like a ng+ mode as well

[neon zodiac]

The NG+ mode was in the original at launch, a DLC campaign would go a long way though since its very short

[azure oriole]

idk I thing being completely in charge with a handful more ways to get supplies/health would be interesting. If they found a way to completely remove both cooldowns and pickups it has the potential to be extremely fun. Like maybe you get grenades from breaking weakpoints and chainsaw gas from glory kills or using certain guns

[neon zodiac]

Also the fact SW 2013 is still $40 is kinda outrageous

[azure oriole]

what's SW?

[neon zodiac]

Ik it goes for 75% off sales during the steam sales, but it should be $20 at this point

[patent stream]

Well sales always drop things enough

[neon zodiac]

Shadow warrior

[patent stream]

Not many games tend to price drop their main price much

[azure oriole]

Shadow Warrior?

[strange gale]

remove pickups, make restacking off of enemies stronger to compensate

[neon zodiac]

Doom 2016 came out 3 years later, and is now $20

[burnt moss]

What if there were just a couple resource stations on each level, and that was the only place you could restack some resources

[neon zodiac]

Game series from the 90s, one of the Build Engine holy trinity alongside Duke Nukem and Blood, got rebooted in 2013 and has had 2 more games since then

[azure oriole]

ok

[azure oriole]

maybe

I think that sounds good, but wouldn't play super well

[neon zodiac]

I dont mind the resources scattered around levels, it doesnt really impact regular play, but you learn where shit is quick on UN

I never found myself seeking out resources except when I knew exactly where it was on UN

[patent stream]

I didnt say no games

I said not many games

[flint flame]

It’s always been 20

Eternal however, did drop from 60 to 40

[strange gale]

you know how in ultrakill you restack by just shooting enemies and letting their blood hit you? no watching a feature film to gain 20 hp or anything. like yea it's cool that you have 2 health bars and that you have 2 specific options to fill up the 2nd bar, but it's all disconnected and pretty shallow

[neon zodiac]

You realize Doom 2016 was $60 at launch right?

[midnight sparrow]

@thorny glade Looked at the Cacos in Hell on Earth and saw no difference in them and the ones seen later in the game.

[burnt moss]

Well I’m also picturing most resources replenish via the suit harvesting argent and other materials to manufacture ammo

[limpid orchid]

Its 3 am and idk what to do

[azure oriole]

Either sleep, or do something that atleast makes you feel fun.

[native oar]

Go to the movie theater and watch Thor Love And Thunder

[limpid orchid]

Thats the problem i cant sleep in those days

[limpid orchid]

Rise of gru

[azure oriole]

Then do something, like play games for hours or something

[native oar]

You got a suit

[limpid orchid]

Yup

[native oar]

Put it on and go see the hit movie Minions the Rise of Gru

Spoilers. I loved the part where he said its Gruing time and starting Gruing all those minions

[limpid orchid]

I just realized that the rise of gru hasn't come out in Italy yet

[native oar]

Then go see Morbius

[limpid orchid]

I'm out of antidepressants

[calm gale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/590226165340569601/994472636719583292/best_2.gif

[limpid orchid]

Me after beating horde mod in Nightmare be like:

Mode* sorry

[calm gale]

good that doom eternal made me play all the games on the hardest difficulty

[azure oriole]

anyone else hate the crucible and BFG?

[patent stream]

Yep

Crucible feels so bad and bfg is too strong

[sullen imp]

thats the point of the bfg

[azure oriole]

They go against the fundamentals of the game in more than one way. The insta-kill takes away the core of needing creative movement and the weapon switching, but also the ammo refilling. Half the game revolves around managing your own ammo and health and then there's these 2 super weapons which ruin the combat experience if you use them and can only be refilled through rare ammo pickups

[sullen imp]

dont use them lol

[azure oriole]

I don't

I'm just surprised id included them with how they go against the otherwise established fundamentals of the game

[patent stream]

Indeed and thats why i hate it

[sullen imp]

yeah why would they include a big icon that is the bfg9000 to the doom series which purpose is to leave rooms demon free

such a dumb decision aint it

[azure oriole]

I'd much prefer a gun that does significantly less damage but can get ammo from chainsawing

[sullen imp]

anybody uses the icebomb? i personally like not using it as a handicap and to make things harder

[azure oriole]

as far as the crucible, idk how they'd change it, but ammo for any gun in this game should be either based on a cooldown or renewable

[sullen imp]

now that i think about it, ive never used the crucible againts possesed enemies

does it work?, like if i want to slice a possesed tyrant in two

[azure oriole]

presumably

[sullen imp]

idk what its called when they are blue and you can only kill the thing with plasma

[azure oriole]

I never used it in tag-1

[sullen imp]

id be surprised if somebody used the crucible in dlc

[azure oriole]

I guess you can't, can you?

[ivory ore]

Bruh just go on YouTube

[sullen imp]

of course not

[azure oriole]

He doesn't have the crucible after eternal. He left the blade in the Icon of Sin

[sullen imp]

i miss the arachnotron rapid fire

[rustic rampart]

I took off a hang nail too violently today and now I can't play Doom because it hurts

So that sucks

[azure oriole]

No hangnail stops the slayer

[rustic rampart]

That's what I thought too

And now my thumb has a heartbeat

[fallow imp]

just finished campaign

[sullen imp]

epic

[fallow imp]

best shit ive ever played

[sullen imp]

now finish it in ultra nightmare

[fallow imp]

i played on hurt me plenty lol

[sullen imp]

where do you play? o.o

[fallow imp]

like what platform?

[sullen imp]

yes

[fallow imp]

switch

[sullen imp]

oh lol nice

[azure oriole]

Now time for a nightmare playthrough

[fallow imp]

jeez im not ready for that lol

[azure oriole]

I played on HMP and just finished my Nightmare playthrough today. Practically a different game

[fallow imp]

i could barely get past hell on earth on ultra violence

[rustic rampart]

The jump from ultra violence to nightmare is pretty big

[urban sapphire]

this game really wants me to fight a whole campaign worth of enemies and the ||khan makyr|| before i get to ||icon of sin|| bruh i swear its been like 3 hours

[azure oriole]

you're on Urdak?

[urban sapphire]

yeah

[rustic rampart]

3 hours for to do campaign? Dang thats fast

[azure oriole]

I love that level

[urban sapphire]

no like on the final mission theres so many enemies

[azure oriole]

the Makyr drones?

[heavy ocean]

Nightmare feels like, "This is how the game should be played."

[burnt moss]

Do you use motion controls?

[fallow imp]

nope

[urban sapphire]

and all of the other stuff besides urdak

[burnt moss]

I highly recommend it. I’ve been doing it so long I can’t even handle having it off

[fallow imp]

ill try

[sullen imp]

nightmare feels like nightmare

[azure oriole]

definitely. I played on HMP and basically only used SSG and Heavy Canon and just stood still for seconds at a time. Nightmare forced me to learn what the plasma rifle does. Now I'm to the point where sometimes I switch weapons just for the sake of switching weapons. It's so fun.

[burnt moss]

Urdak isn’t the last level

[heavy ocean]

Arena's just have this flow where you pop-swapping weapons and moving. You can't be lazy. So you're forced into that combat flow.

[rustic rampart]

It is for the Khan Mayker 🤓

[heavy ocean]

And its super fun like that

[azure oriole]

I guarentee you'll be back to yell when you get to that in Final Sin.

[sullen imp]

i play exclusively in ultra nightmare kek

[urban sapphire]

bro hayden was like “this is your final mission” and 2 big fortress places, and urdak, and now im back on earth and theres still so many demons

[azure oriole]

It's beautiful. I'm excited to play Tag 1 on nightmare

[sullen imp]

you havent played dlc yet?

[rustic rampart]

Tag 1 is amazing

[azure oriole]

This arena I'm referring to gave me more shit than anything else in the game

[sullen imp]

you are in for a ride. enjoy yourself mate

[azure oriole]

I've played the DLCs, just not on nightmare. I did tag 1 on HMP and tag 2 on Ultra violence because it was too easy

[heavy ocean]

I love that one.

[rustic rampart]

What arena?

[sullen imp]

i see

[azure oriole]

The one with ||three tyrants and more BFG pickups than zombies||

[sullen imp]

? where the f uck

[azure oriole]

Final Sin

[heavy ocean]

Office building with the jump pad in the middle.

[rustic rampart]

What level??

[azure oriole]

final sin

[sullen imp]

AH right right

[rustic rampart]

Oh that part

[sullen imp]

that was nice, i enjoyed the next arena, the one at the top, with the archie at the end

[rustic rampart]

BFG was made for that room

[azure oriole]

The Maurader in the arena after that gave me a lot of trouble

not quite as much though

[sullen imp]

while yes, its so thrilling not using it and killing everything slowly

taking your time, thinking what weapon to switch

[heavy ocean]

Gotta just pop the revenants quick and focus on him and I think there's an arachnotron too, right?

[rustic rampart]

That's fun too

[runic mason]

u right

[sullen imp]

i love the bfg, but not using it in final sin is fun as hell

[rustic rampart]

But seeing the entire room turn into a blood explosion is pretty sick too

[azure oriole]

The tyrants arena was the only place in my playthrough I used the crucible or BFG before the final bossfight

[heavy ocean]

Lol, yeah it is.

[azure oriole]

and I didn't even use it to room clear. I just hit the tyrants with it.

[rustic rampart]

Poor tyrants

[sullen imp]

i love exultias second hell arena

after the doors. i hope they make a master level of that

[heavy ocean]

Exultia master level would be bomb

[rustic rampart]

If you could pick three more levels to become master levels, which ones would you pick?

[sullen imp]

exultia urdak and the blood swamps probably

[heavy ocean]

Good choices.

[rustic rampart]

Those would be cool

[azure oriole]

Doom Hunter and Urdak. I don't remember the other ones individually well enough to say

[heavy ocean]

I'd go exultia, blood swamps, world spear.

[sullen imp]

but world spear has a master level(?

[rustic rampart]

I'd like Immora, Final sin, and UAC Atlantica

[sullen imp]

also god i LOVE world spear

[heavy ocean]

Wait. It does....

Runs to Doom

UACA is such a slamming level.

[rustic rampart]

World spear master level was so much fun

[sullen imp]

i expected immora to look more hell ish, for it to be the city of hell it didnt look like it xd

[sullen imp]

oh yeah that too

[azure oriole]

Lore

[rustic rampart]

Yeah me too, but that soundtrack tho

[sullen imp]

slaps hard

[flint flame]

Blood swamps for sure, immora, and reworked arc complex

[rustic rampart]

Arc complex deserves a good master level

[sullen imp]

it felt a little easy compared to the rest

[rustic rampart]

It felt easier than the actual level for me

[sullen imp]

interesting

[rustic rampart]

How's the cultist base master level? I haven't bought that

[sullen imp]

its pretty good imo

but while we are at it, itd be cool if they made it harder, specially the revenant room. Where you play as a rev but its just the slayer in it

[rustic rampart]

Or they make you play as a zombie

[sullen imp]

no like, you, as the slayer, against hordes of demons, instead of you being a rev

but you as a zombie would be good too

[flint flame]

But muh battlemode

[sullen imp]

mfw

[rustic rampart]

Un acronym that for me and I'll give you 10 points

[sullen imp]

you can keep the 10 points u.u

[rustic rampart]

But I don't wanna give Google the 10 points, they have so many already

[sullen imp]

my face when

[rustic rampart]

+10 Objective Complete

[sullen imp]

lets go reddit

we did it

[rustic rampart]

What's "reddit"

(Aka me bragging I don't use reddit)

[sullen imp]

good boy

[burnt moss]

Hur dur

[alpine plaza]

i got so mad at doom eternal today

it was totally my mistake for not putting attention but goddamn all of the demons trapped me in a corner and took like 6 lives out of me

in horde mode

then out of pure anger i let out this primal scream

and i got like so red

i was soaked in sweat

[flint flame]

[alpine plaza]

im finishing ultra nightmare with grey hair im telling you

[azure forum]

Damn son you got some angry issues

[alpine plaza]

it doesnt happen that often 🙄

[azure forum]

Do you play on Pc

[patent stream]

Do you not use the extra live support rune

[alpine plaza]

yes it has carried me

i was trying out nightmare mode to practice for the campaign

also hell on earth on nightmare kinda difficult

no dash and only shotgun and rifle not great

[sullen imp]

Me everytime for no reason

Anger management problems moment

[alpine plaza]

i scream from time to time but in that scream i almost burned to a crisp

[burnt moss]

“Insert Vega to activate the portal”

Dr Hayden needs to chill

[alpine plaza]

🤨

[sullen imp]

I died twice on UN by the doom hunter base and the super gore nest and hit my desk so hard I almost drop one of my monitors

I'm too tilted to try again

[alpine plaza]

if i played on pc i would probably not have a desk at this point

[azure forum]

Hey Golden, playing this game with switch docked with a pro controller is a complete different story than playing handheld

[sullen imp]

Idk how my desk is still up honestly

[alpine plaza]

i play on console so i just beat up my bed

[sullen imp]

Comfy

[alpine plaza]

i think im getting real good

[sullen imp]

At least you can cry yourself to sleep right after dying in the game heh

[sullen imp]

Awesome

[alpine plaza]

no i just hit it

[sullen imp]

I see

[burnt moss]

What are you referring to?

[azure forum]

I have more respect to those that play handheld 😂

[burnt moss]

But what brought that up?

[azure forum]

Just a thought

[sullen imp]

If I had a switch I'd grind doom handheld to beat it on UN

If we are playing on switch, we are doing it right

[burnt moss]

I hate handheld so much

[sullen imp]

Xd

[sullen imp]

You drive a charger?

[azure forum]

Nah. You realize really quick that it is not worth the grind

[alpine plaza]

to console players: whats your sensitivity?

[sullen imp]

Hahaha Id like to find that out

[burnt moss]

We got switch because it’s a cheap, family console. Not my fault Nintendo’s only option is a friggin game boy

[azure forum]

100 H, 100V with 90 smoothness

[burnt moss]

Yeah

[alpine plaza]

34 💀

[sullen imp]

Cool

[burnt moss]

100. Motion controls set to 70

[azure forum]

I bought the game just for battlemode on switch and I beat the campaign once just to get some levels. Anyways, if you come from PC, it is a complete different experience

[azure forum]

Once you start doing more Meathook and getting in the air you will want to increase it a little to turn faster

[sullen imp]

Hmmm

[alpine plaza]

yea im starting to notice the lack of sensitivity now

im trying to make it higher

it was at 30 yesterday

[burnt moss]

I can feel myself becoming a worse player on this ITYTD Extra Life run

[sullen imp]

Anyone tried the Mayo run?. No upgrades, no lock on etc

[azure forum]

In my opinion, if you want to beat the game in Nightmare and get better on console:

1. Learn the mechanics. Meathook, quickswapping, moving, etc.
2. Adjust the weapon wheel to 6. Makes it much better. I'd suggest to bind SSG and BFG to buttons. (I can share a layout)
3. Ajust your controller buttons and layout. It makes a huge difference when you learn the "don't lift the thumbs for movement and important actions".
4. Adjust other minor settings like sensitivity and such.

[mossy nova]

I like quick switching

[urban sapphire]

bruh icon of sin so annoyibg

do you guys think sentinel armor is cheap

[sullen imp]

Icon of sin based

[mossy nova]

Icon of sin fight is fun

[azure forum]

Nah. Use it if you need it.

[sullen imp]

Somewhat

I only used it once with the cheat code to see what it did

[urban sapphire]

i feel like i came all this way and havent used it once and it would be kinda lame if i used it at the end

[sullen imp]

Keep trying, you'll get it

[urban sapphire]

if i get icon of sin to phase 2 and die will it restart me all the way

[mossy nova]

I only used sentinel armor when i died to many times in my first playthrough khan maykr fight

[sullen imp]

Also I have mixed feelings about the game telling you how to beat the bosses or go about certain encounters

[mossy nova]

Adapt haz

[sullen imp]

I wish that came as a hidden feature I guess

[alpine plaza]

yes

[urban sapphire]

i havent gotten to phase 2 because of the actual boss but because of all the demons around it

[mossy nova]

Crusible and 3 gas are a option flio flop

[urban sapphire]

does the crucible ammo respawn

[alpine plaza]

just crucible every big monster that comes in your way

[alpine plaza]

i dont know but there is plenty

[mossy nova]

Yes

[sullen imp]

Yes

[urban sapphire]

does anyone have any general tips beside that

[mossy nova]

Use bfg

[urban sapphire]

on the boss or for the fodder

[mossy nova]

Use bfg to clear out body parts and demons

Body parts of icon of sin

[urban sapphire]

ok

[burnt moss]

SSG works on him even though he is far away. I was surprised by that

[urban sapphire]

what one is that

[burnt moss]

Super shotgun

[sullen imp]

Kill fodder with sticky bombs. Crucible every heavy enemy, use the other ballista mod that isn't the blade

[mossy nova]

Quick switching

[urban sapphire]

oh ive been using the chaingun

[alpine plaza]

i would say a bfg at the start would be good

then spam chaingun

[urban sapphire]

ok

[sullen imp]

Chaingun is good if mobile turret

Also just, run

[mossy nova]

Ssg + balista ssg + pb and pb + balista

[urban sapphire]

this is the only time i have died more than twice i was ready for this to be a breeze 😭😭

[sullen imp]

Cope

[urban sapphire]

👍

[sullen imp]

You'll get it man, you've got this

[mossy nova]

Use quick switching

Quick switching good

[urban sapphire]

how do you get it to switch to the weapon u want ithat part confuses me

[sullen imp]

Hit RB on Xbox

[burnt moss]

BFG the body part directly. 1 BFG will take out 1 body part

[sullen imp]

Tap it

[urban sapphire]

yeah but it switches to random stuff

[alpine plaza]

yea

[mossy nova]

https://youtu.be/_rgA5W6PndI

[alpine plaza]

rb once is to go to the gun you were using previously

[sullen imp]

Use the wheel to select the two weapons you'll use the most, then tap rb to quick switch

[urban sapphire]

ok

[alpine plaza]

pretty usfeul for marauders

[sullen imp]

Use wheel-> select super shotgun
Use wheel again -> select ballista

For instance

[urban sapphire]

is icon of sin the final boss

[sullen imp]

Then start tapping the wheel button

[urban sapphire]

ok

[alpine plaza]

yup

[sullen imp]

Yes sir

[alpine plaza]

then theres the dlcs

[sullen imp]

Two titans meet

As it was written

[alpine plaza]

👍

[urban sapphire]

will the doom 2016 and eternal saga have another game or is it over

[sullen imp]

I hope is it over

What else could you get out of it. Let it die in peace

[urban sapphire]

why doom fun

oh

[sullen imp]

It's fun but I'd hate to see a forced next game on a forced story idk

[urban sapphire]

maybe i could just try to complete horde thatll probably take a lot of time, trial and error

[sullen imp]

Hate is a strong word for this, I'd dislike the idea*

I guess they could make a doom game based on the origins I guess

What happened between doom 64 and doom 2016 kinda thing

[urban sapphire]

i just like the gameplay of the doom series so another game with the same gameplay regardless of story would be good imo

[sullen imp]

It'll be nice. I'm intrigued on how can they top or surpass the absolute masterpiece they achieved with doom eternal

Cuz goddamn

[urban sapphire]

my friend liked 2016 better

[sullen imp]

2016 is great

[burnt moss]

I hope I have enough extra lives going into the IoS fight

[urban sapphire]

GOD DAMMIT I HAD ONE PART LEFT ON PHASE 2

[burnt moss]

That tells me that you can do this

[urban sapphire]

yes but i have to spend 10 more minutes of my precious life trying to beat this boss

[sullen imp]

YOU GOT THIS BOSS

[urban sapphire]

yeah its really not that hard just scary because hes big

[burnt moss]

Finished Campaign ELM

Haha the congratulations screen says “Why not try again on a harder difficulty” hahaha

[urban sapphire]

LFGGGGG i beat icon of sin!!!!

[burnt moss]

Bruh, congrats! What difficulty?

[sullen imp]

HELL YEAH

[burnt moss]

I’m conflicted on whether gyro is a crutch. I can’t aim with joysticks

[azure oriole]

Personally I don't think so. Just offers more precision similar to a mouse

[burnt moss]

Is it possible to be as accurate with joystick as with gyro?

[blissful sand]

that is exactly what I have been hoping

with like the slayer as a sentinel

at the end of hell on earth, the khan makyr says "you cannot defy the will of the khan makyr, for it was you who was meant to enforce it"

[ivory ore]

hate to see a forced story

I mean that’s basically what they’re trying to do according to Hugo and post TAG

[azure oriole]

Probably, but you'd need some crazy ass thumbs

[sullen imp]

Yea

[alpine plaza]

i think the story has like a lot of potential

but i havent played TAG so i may be wrong

[azure oriole]

Tag 1 lore was really interesting but they completely dropped the ball in part 2

[silver turret]

I broke my leg irl. What are the chances I get glory killed while in my vulnerable state.

[burnt moss]

So that means I have a more level playing field with PC than other consoles. Besides frame rate I mean.

[azure oriole]

I suppose, as long as you know your swaps

[burnt moss]

Eh, the wheel is still a bit of a hinderance

[ivory ore]

Explain

[alpine plaza]

i like how they took the decision to make the doom slayer like so badass and cool

i think they could do really cool things with the slayer specially

exploring his limits or something

i would love to see that

havent played tag so i cant be that specific about story

[ivory ore]

Bruh

[alpine plaza]

i said it before

[blissful sand]

lmao

[silver turret]

Don't lmao at me breaking my leg. I'm genuinely terrified.

[ivory ore]

Lmao

Guess he slipped due to his sweaty socks

[azure oriole]

guys anyone wanna play battlemode 2.0 with me?

[burnt moss]

If it makes you feel better, I bet you’d be easy to gk even without a broken leg

[silver turret]

I um... dunno if if should take that as an insult or a compliment...

[azure oriole]

insult

i assume

[silver turret]

It could be a nice thing

[azure oriole]

how

[silver turret]

Idfk I'm just trying to think positive I guess

[azure oriole]

good choice

[burnt moss]

Lol

Yup, ITYTD def made me worse. I’m dying on Exultia NM now

[silver turret]

Tf does those terms mean💀

[mental stone]

I was trying to translate that first acronym.

[burnt moss]

Yeah, I’m Too Young To Die definitely made me worse. I’m dying on Exultia on Nighmare now

[silver turret]

Oh I see

[mental stone]

Ah.

I thought "NM" referred to a code for the ship or area or whatever.

[silver turret]

I did my first run of the game on NM

[burnt moss]

Nah ML would indicate master level if applicable, but it’s usually difficulty.

[burnt moss]

Crazy. I just barely did the ELM for the milestone on ITYTD

[silver turret]

I got every collectible on my first save file which was NM I am 3 challenges away from getting done with the base game challenges

Then I have to get the dlcs but that's for another day

[burnt moss]

Why were you able to start on NM?

[silver turret]

I hate my life. I've never played a doom game in my life so I said screw it first time gotta be special.

[late ferry]

Hi

[silver turret]

Hola

[late ferry]

What's new?

[silver turret]

No hablo englas

[late ferry]

Sorry, i'm russian, please don't bulling me

[burnt moss]

Dang it I got a soft lock on Exultia right before the electrified arena

Stupid door won’t open

[late ferry]

How annoying!

[burnt moss]

I even exited to main menu and it’s still not opening

[late ferry]

i think it's just a bug

[burnt moss]

Yup. Sometimes bugs just go away. I might have to restart the level though

[late ferry]

I had a similar case when Doomguy lost his shotgun, that is, he just pissed

[burnt moss]

What? He lost his shotgun?

[late ferry]

Yes
I set it so that it showed up in the lobby, but Dооmguy just held the air, that is, there was no shotgun, but Dооmguy held it

I could show a photo, but I don't have enough rights

[burnt moss]

You can post in screenshots and link it here

[late ferry]

ok, now I'm going to play Horde Mode, see you soon, I was glad to join your server)

[burnt moss]

Well this is officially the first time I’ve actually been entirely blocked on a level. I’m just going to start over tomorrow.

[late ferry]

bye buddy

[lavish wing]

is there a kind of sandbox mode or anything where i can test stuff out

[blissful sand]

look out for any slayers

[azure oriole]

Rip... and Tear

I played eternal for 15hours yestrday

[blissful sand]

noiice

[azure oriole]

Doom eternal changed my life

[blissful sand]

agreed

[lavish wing]

new controls yay

[azure oriole]

Tbh I like doom eternal, prob my fav of all doom's

I like the double jumping and dash that were added

[limber sable]

hey have you guys played mighty doom

[slow sigil]

Double jump is from 2016

[azure oriole]

Oh wait

I haven't played it in awhile sorry 💀

[blissful sand]

the only thing I love more than doom is doom soundtrack, esscecially the eternal songs

idk

[slow sigil]

For an overpriced price yeah

Meh not really, it's just a bit too much. Juwt get like an actual game instead during sales

Doom 2016 during sale is like the price of it, that'w kinda bs

[late ferry]

Not bad man

[azure oriole]

yes i can't even play for 30 mins it crash with latest driver lmfao

me with nvidia geforce 1650 ;w;

and crash every like 40 mins or 30 mins

and having the latest driver

[azure oriole]

my right pinky hurts when i play for too long

its a pain

I rip and tear to the point it hurts

[ivory ore]

Ok

[azure oriole]

hey

[azure oriole]

i think there's an ointment for that

[azure oriole]

Who knows Maybe

[mossy nova]

i feel like tracing the super shotgun and customize it with colors

[azure oriole]

https://clips.twitch.tv/HappySteamyRatDatSheffy-9w_1rpLXAKFRPcii i hate pain elementals

and flamebelch

[mossy nova]

how

why

[azure oriole]

didnt burn the pain elemental

it always do that when i chainsaw/glory kill

[mossy nova]

did you know that happens when your too late to fire belcht the pain elemental it happends to me 🤯

[azure oriole]

that always happens

do it slower

[junior mason]

God I wish

Yo btw I beat the icon of sin and now I have a genuine question. Tbh this was probably in the codex and I just didn't read it but how was the icon of sin supposed to consume Earth

I mean it's really not that big compared to Earth

And I get it won't literally consume Earth but like

I feel like that would require an additional ritual, like, the icon of sin is here, now you need to take the next step to use it to consume Earth

And then poof it gets sucked into a portal to hell or something the size of which can only be opened by something as large or powerful as the icon of sin

Which is reasonable since the icon seems to be more intellectually capable than the other titans, like the ones at nekravol that kinda just stare at me as I tear apart the factory and make my way to the sacred realm of urdak

So ig I'm just curious as to what the next step was supposed to be, like, what exactly would happen had I not 360 noscoped literally sin

[mossy nova]

A black hole will form if the icon of sin is left on earth for too long

[thorny crag]

The glory kill challenges are so inconsistent

Especially the doom hunter one

[flint flame]

Watch the first cutscene for Urdak again

[harsh mirage]

can I send links here

specifically youtube ones

[azure oriole]

for what

[harsh mirage]

to send a clip of me beating the 4 possessed archviles

[azure oriole]

not sure sry

[harsh mirage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3khbEDx3OCE

I'm planning on doing a run without the bfg/unmaykr

[flint flame]

Full auto+ micro missiles

But good work nonetheless

[harsh mirage]

is it just me or is completing the game on ultra nightmare for the gold slayer skin kind of dumb

because you have to go through the ENTIRE game on ultra nightmare

[flint flame]

Makes sense to me

[harsh mirage]

and I've completed the dlcs on ultra nightmare and I can accept them

[azure forum]

The keys don't matter at the end but the weapon points.

[harsh mirage]

they're like 2-3 hours while the campaign is one huge game

[flint flame]

They shoulda made a skin for completing the entire campaign and dlc’s on un consecutively, maybe platinum slayer or something

[harsh mirage]

they're especially good after you kill a fodder and use them on the archviles while they're in the summoning animation

[flint flame]

But the swaps tho

[harsh mirage]

since they don't take stun you get 5 seconds of pure damage

[harsh mirage]

I would quick swap more but knowing that they don't take stun most of the time I can't do a pb + rl lock on combo

[azure forum]

It's not that bad. TAG2 is easy just with the hammer. TAG1 the only place where you would need BFG is for samurs last phase. Main campaing ypu only need BFG for icon of sin pretty much.

[harsh mirage]

so the micro missiles are good for this mod level

[harsh mirage]

agreed but I was talking about the mod level I recorded and uploaded on youtube

it's pretty challenging but it's not that bad once you figure out what to do

also I really don't recommend the slayerpalast mod for people who haven't beaten tag 1 on un

[flint flame]

Slayerpalast is in fact difficult modded content

[harsh mirage]

the first hub is fine since it's only practicing while the other one is like a normal person entering a room that has a Warhammer fan in it

[harsh mirage]

kind of explains why I'm so masochistic when it comes to doom eternal

[harsh mirage]

probably a combination of the cultist slayer and the normal slayer skin

like becoming the thing you've sworn to destroy

you literally become a demon at the game after you beat the campaign and the dlcs on un

[azure forum]

Lux praetor skin would be super cool

[harsh mirage]

the ebony praetor is kind of like a lux skin

since there's golden parts together with dark military like colors

[sly kayak]

Hello

[harsh mirage]

hello

[sullen imp]

Hai hi

[harsh mirage]

if remote detonation is close enough to the tail of the pinky it'll put him in glory kill state

or you can blood punch a demon close to the pinky so the aoe damage is less and weakens the pinky just enough to glory kill

at least as much as I know

[ivory ore]

4 rockets to the face is one way I know that much

[terse sun]

is it true that if u beat ultra nightmare for master level you dont have to do the rest?

someone said that im not sure

[azure forum]

Nope, not true. If you beat Nighmare in Extra life mode or regular mode, you don't have to beat the rest of difficulties in those modes.

UN is its own thing

[terse sun]

oh ok

thanks

[shadow matrix]

so xtra life mode ulrta nght i dont haveto dothe rest?

[burnt moss]

You can’t do both ELM and UN. Pick one, and do the other at any difficulty

[harsh mirage]

I should've done extra life mode on the sgn master level from the start

[slow sigil]

nah not really a great idea, cause then you have limited lives

[patent stream]

You have to beat the mode with
Classic mode on nightmare

Extra lives on nightmare

UN

And normally on nightmare

Actually i think classic is any difficulty

But no matter what you have to beat it 4 times to get ultimate reward

[timid relic]

hold up, do you get something special if you don't die in extra life mode?

[patent stream]

A pat on the back

[timid relic]

lets gooooo

[patent stream]

Nah the only things that have any sort of reward are the main campaigns if you still have x amount of extra lives

[timid relic]

I feel like the slayer

[patent stream]

And in hordemode you get bonus points

[timid relic]

[patent stream]

For any master level it’s just complete with at least 1 point

[timid relic]

interesting... Thanks Mr.Bobthebob

[patent stream]

I want to say no

As it would need to save the progress of grabbing thos

[slow sigil]

you win, cause if you die you lose

You dont die with extra lives after all

Wdym

[timid relic]

I did. I died and got pulled to the beginning 😦

[slow sigil]

With extra lives you dont die, cause they use the extra live instead of your own live
So not ded

[timid relic]

[hot rain]

Question why are people getting banned for no reason in this group

[timid relic]

What happened?

[hot rain]

I don't know I'm just hearing a lot of things that people are getting banned here for no reason

[flint flame]

Are you an alt account

[hot rain]

No

[edgy fjord]

horde mode gaming discord server moderator

[flint flame]

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[edgy fjord]

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